< 1301011215 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easter is a statutory holiday. But if the calculation of Easter (a Canadian statutory holiday) is not part of Canadian law, then we do not have separation of church and state. < 1301011292 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1301011326 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sounds like a rather insignificant non-separation compared to having easter a statutory holiday in the first place. < 1301011385 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(norway has easter a statutory holiday too, but then we don't have separation of church and state, yet) < 1301011404 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-162-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You already don't possess seperation of church and state. < 1301011523 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-162-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: In case you weren't aware, your country operates under the legal theory that all power comes from monarchy, and the power in the monarch comes from God. < 1301011525 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no problem with making such things statutory holidays, even with such names, but the law should simply say something like "This day shall be a statutory holiday, named "_____" in English and "_____" in French." < 1301011573 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Well, at least is the theory, but the government does the stuff not the queen. The queen though, is still queen and is on the money. < 1301011594 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-162-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The government has power delegated unto it by the queen. < 1301011625 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-162-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All actions of your government, hence, are in a sense acting in the name of God. < 1301011653 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least those things are theory. But for actual laws, it should have separation of church and state; regardless of the religions of the government or of other things. < 1301011710 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-162-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*In practice*, yes, there is seperation of church and state. < 1301011737 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-162-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, *in practice* almost every single country in Europe has some level of such seperation these days. < 1301011787 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The government once tried to do it by renaming "Christmas Day" to "Gifting Season", but that is the wrong way to do it! The correct way is to just write "Twenty-fifth day of December is statutory holiday". The name of the holiday should be irrelevant for legal purposes, but write it in anyways simply for tradition, it has no actual legal meaning other than refering to that specific date. < 1301011800 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301011809 0 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301011816 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(exception: Stato della Città del Vaticano, which is of course a *unification* of church and state) < 1301011914 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O at Mussolini's involvement in Vatican City < 1301011942 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Also, remember: Hitler died a Catholic in good standing. < 1301011983 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, isn't suicide a rather bad sin in catholicism :D < 1301011986 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-162-53.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301012004 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you cannot get proper confession etc. after doing it... < 1301012043 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok i'm only guessing on the "rather bad" part) < 1301012128 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course you cannot, because you are dead. I do not care whether it is a "rather bad" sin in Catholicism, to me the thing is that live people still have things to do. < 1301012139 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess he wasn't explicitly excommunicated though. < 1301012184 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: um we are (well, i am) discussing what it means to be a "catholic in good standing". clearly that requires looking at it from catholicism's point of view. < 1301012226 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i recall from wikipedia there is a concept of automatic excommunication for some sins, even if no one else knows about them < 1301012275 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(again of course this doesn't matter much to anyone who doesn't actually _want_ to be a good catholic) < 1301012301 0 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301012306 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latae_sententiae < 1301012339 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could try to figure out what is "Catholic in good standing", and what thing is "bad standing". < 1301012447 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An abortion is an automatic ex-communication? < 1301012471 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet murder isn't... < 1301012575 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[exemptions for:] 2/ a person who without negligence was ignorant that he or she violated a law or precept; inadvertence and error are equivalent to ignorance; < 1301012618 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it negligence to not seek out information on the Church's view of abortion? < 1301012648 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it ignorance to hear some Catholic saying "abortion means ex-communication", but assume that they're mistaken or lying? < 1301012659 0 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always ready, always Lawlabee. Strength, safety, style, Lawlabee. Lawlabee in action. Lawlabee for beauty to have and to hold. < 1301012667 0 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: forgive my groveling. < 1301012692 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think either of abortion or murder is ex-communication? < 1301012720 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i'd imagine that after hearing it said, it would be negligence not to check further whether it is true... < 1301012772 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I'm just going by what Wikipedia says < 1301012790 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i'd also imagine the case of abortion has been made that strict precisely because the church has trouble getting all its members to agree with it, which is not the case with murder < 1301012828 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Maybe < 1301013988 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g224203189.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301014172 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181131146.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1301015002 0 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301015771 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In an interview with the person who invented INTERCAL, they described "a hypothetical computer described to me long ago by a co-worker who was a part-time professor at Northeastern University", which is now known as BitBitJump (I think). < 1301016518 0 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-70-25.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good video game title < 1301017000 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Video game title? < 1301017796 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301018826 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301018885 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301019451 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, *wow*. In the name of getting men "home to their wives" earlier, Australia put a 6 PM closing time on bars. < 1301019471 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What this actually produced was a solid hour of binge drinking between work getting out and the bars closing. < 1301020057 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... lolwut < 1301020114 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you only have an hour of legal drinking outside of the home, you might as well make it count. < 1301020162 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was "lolwut"ting more at the notion that Australia would set a mandatory bar closing time at all, let alone 6PM :P < 1301020202 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "ZOMG MUST GET RID OF ALCOHOL" thing was prevalent in much of the Western world. < 1301020268 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohwait, this is olde? < 1301020270 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And tended to make shit worse overall. < 1301020280 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1301020295 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WWI and Great Depression era. < 1301020302 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhhhhhh < 1301021072 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible GOP Presidential candidates: Michelle Bachmann, Donald Trump, Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, Mike Huckabee. < 1301021110 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do believe that Obama would have to rape babies and then serve baby au jus in order to lose. < 1301021330 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will grab the popcorn
< 1301021685 0 :glogbot!~glogbot@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301021687 0 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301021688 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301021691 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301021693 0 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301021693 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301021695 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301021696 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301021703 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOO < 1301021708 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GLOGBOT IS ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE NETSPLIT < 1301021724 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glargh < 1301021731 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a Serenity spoiler < 1301021743 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might just be the focus of the entire movie, finding it out < 1301021766 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i'm sorry but elliott isn't here to give a suitably ironic response. < 1301021820 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sarcastic < 1301021866 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301021873 0 :glogbot!~glogbot@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1301021873 0 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1301022045 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301022045 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1301022045 0 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301022045 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1301022045 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301022045 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301022811 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spoiler revealed with 30 min left, so maybe at least 30min will be enjoyable < 1301022822 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301023005 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301023630 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301023669 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com TOPIC #esoteric :THIS TOPIC FAILS AT BEING BLANK | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1301024581 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301024910 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301024918 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it broken server? < 1301024966 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it broken server? < 1301025030 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1301025335 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are special days and observances in different countries? < 1301025388 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :April 1st. < 1301025411 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1301025471 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything else? < 1301025488 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :April 31st. < 1301025493 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live in Canada and do not know the one for other countries, I should type it in since I am making a calendar program < 1301025532 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia knows. < 1301025534 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: There is no 31 day in April. < 1301025598 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about leap years? < 1301025615 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there is 29 day in February. < 1301025637 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, is how it works in this country. < 1301025790 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Shōwa Day, in Japan, is April 29. < 1301025816 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(first day of Golden Week) < 1301025971 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I added that, now if you type \Japan it will add that to the list of special days on the calendar < 1301026000 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, just hit Wikipedia; its list is likely comprehensive. < 1301026104 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any other kind of days that needs special calculation, other than Easter Sunday and the days relative to Easter Sunday? < 1301026133 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just about anything astronomical in origin, really. < 1301026154 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance: Japan has the two equinoxes as holidays. < 1301026157 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the jewish and islamic holidays, since they're based on the respective calendars... < 1301026184 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Orthodox versions of Christian holidays. < 1301026185 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and chinese new year probably < 1301026204 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And phase of moon, I also need, although that isn't the "special days", I should still add a macro to calculate the phase of moon. < 1301026227 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know Orthodox Easter is different, what is the difference in its calculation? < 1301026237 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also there are national days. basically there are at least thousands of special cases to consider. < 1301026247 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orthodox Christianity does not use the Gregorian calendar; they use the Julian calendar. < 1301026291 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it is a good thing I already have added support for the Julian calendar (just type \julian to activate it). < 1301026325 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the laity use Gregorian calendars, except they celebrate the holidays according to the date on the Julian calendar. < 1301026332 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also think not all orthodox christians use the same rule for calculating easter, even given julian calendar < 1301026339 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the Zeller's Card method work correctly for Orthodox Easter? < 1301026350 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea < 1301026363 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Quite possible; Orthodox Christianity is a set of sects, after all. < 1301026368 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can type \julian \Easter \gregorian and then you will get the date of Julian Easter but using the Gregorian calendar. < 1301026393 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frankly I don't see it as being worth this much effort to adapt for idiots. < 1301026410 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How many sects are there and which ones are common that I should add to this program? < 1301026457 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Insofar as I am aware*, they merely use the Julian calendar instead of the Gregorian calendar for the dates of religious holidays. < 1301026463 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also all the other days requring special calculation (including other countries), can you tell me how it is calculated, so that they can be included in the calendar? < 1301026483 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an absurd number of special cases, and I certainly don't know them all. < 1301026510 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though some of them are genuinely absurd cases, regardless. < 1301026539 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least norwegian official holidays are either fixed gregorian dates or offsets from easter. < 1301026564 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, Chinese traditional holidays are based on dates on a lunar calendar that is otherwise unused. < 1301026591 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If they merely use the Julian calendar for calculating dates of religious holidays, then my program should do that, since it can already calculate Julian Easter (and then you can switch back to Gregorian mode after the calculation). < 1301026635 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Then Norwegian holidays should be easy to put in < 1301026747 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Japan has the Emperor's birthday as a holiday. The only way to correctly handle that going forward is constant maintanence, and in the past, well, you'll want to read the Kojiki. :P < 1301026749 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using the slight modification of the Zeller's Card method for days of the week and for Easter, and it works with both Julian and Gregorian. I have also found a implementation in Javascript that will check what errors there are, and the method with minor correction works for everything. < 1301026777 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and even the us has that presidents' day iirc < 1301026796 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's just a holiday that's in honor of past presidents. < 1301026801 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well norway has royal birthdays too... < 1301026812 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's *Washington's* birthday, though. < 1301026821 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no not that way, i mean it's not a fixed gregorian date is it < 1301026828 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually, it's vaguely near then. < 1301026836 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, it's the third Monday of February. < 1301026842 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1301026856 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have the command for third Monday of February and stuff like that, typing in \Third\Mon\Feb will do that. < 1301026866 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right norway has those too, mother's and father's day are like that < 1301026875 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they're not official holidays though) < 1301026885 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Most* US federal holidays are on a Monday. < 1301026924 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Canada, Thanksgiving is on \Second\Mon\Oct (different than Thanksgiving in United States) < 1301026944 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, US Thanksgiving is the fourth Thursday in November, instead. < 1301026950 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For... No good reason in either case. < 1301026966 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why is it like that if there is no reason? < 1301026976 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*groan* < 1301026979 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a reason. < 1301026987 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What reason? < 1301026989 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merchants wanted it then. < 1301027001 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Christmas was coming. < 1301027072 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that's why. < 1301030183 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1301030311 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-183.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301030901 0 :banpdtr_!~shiva@vpn.bangalore.geodesic.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301031422 0 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:elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is all. < 1301039796 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1301040474 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301040575 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301042094 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1301042375 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301043007 0 :iamcal!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301043053 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301043075 0 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1301043129 0 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301043156 0 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping 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:copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1301058092 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301058811 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301058911 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301059106 0 :MigoMipo_A!~MigoMipo@2.67.176.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301059462 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301059780 0 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301059975 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1301060020 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1301060071 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301060134 0 :MigoMipo_A!~MigoMipo@2.67.176.57 QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1301060391 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-12-28.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301061384 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-12-28.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301062134 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch: "I'd create a long-lived OCSP responder certificate with the OCSPNoCheck extension. This kind of certificate can't be revoked *at all*, and has the same power as a CRL-signing key (which can be revoked)." (discussing the Comodo incident). < 1301062822 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-12-28.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301064290 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote what does coffee do to biological neural networks what tiger blood does for charlie sheen < 1301064293 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :336) what does coffee do to biological neural networks what tiger blood does for charlie sheen < 1301064887 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301065049 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181139111.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301065121 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181131124.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1301066223 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=21eabb90-958f-4b64-b5f1-73d0a413c8ef&displaylang=en whoahwtf < 1301066231 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bet you could run those in VirtualBox < 1301066633 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The expiration thing? < 1301066711 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301066723 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I frankly don't know what that means, but would assume it's in the guest software, not the host. < 1301066876 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're distributing executables which are presumably emulator + HD image, so extracting it would be non-trivial. < 1301067036 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're VHDs. < 1301067283 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.03: 2x4k+1k to Japan, 1M(512k+2x256k) to China, 256 to New Zealand. < 1301067307 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slow week... Only 0.23 blocks. < 1301067332 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, is that a script or are you writing this manually? < 1301067450 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Manually. < 1301067461 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is 1M really just 0.03 blocks? I mean, purely in-the-head that should be 1/16th of a 2^24 = 16M address block, and 0.03 is less than 1/20 = 0.05. Or what is that 0.03 number anyway? < 1301067529 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was from local calculation, not from the graph on APNIC site. < 1301067581 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Estimate using same random method as yesterday now yields Tuesday April 19th. < 1301067592 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but is it in blocks? < 1301067622 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is in blocks. Maybe some large block got returned/revoked? < 1301067668 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps that; it doesn't at least seem to directly match those listed networks. < 1301067670 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (2*4096+1024+1048576+256)/16777216 < 1301067671 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6.30645751953125e-2 < 1301067876 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1301067948 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading from scrollback buffer, available addresses count was 44 281 856 yesterday, and now it is 43 806 208 (that doesn't account for setaside). That's down 475 648. Number of addresses allocated is 1 058 048, diffrence of 582 400, A /13, /17, /18, /19 and 3x/24. < 1301068417 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301068551 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, down 0.03. < 1301068617 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301069511 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301070617 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301070710 0 :iamcal!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1301071679 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think firefox 4 is BADLY confused about how many DPI my screen has < 1301071692 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :11pt text now looks like 17pt < 1301071705 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I did check zoom first < 1301071760 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1301071889 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how the fuck do I move the tab bar down like it used to be < 1301071901 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal returns! < 1301071910 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use the tab bar more often, thus it should be closer to the page. Less mouse movement. < 1301071913 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: View -> Toolbars -> Tabs on top < 1301071917 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Liveblogs computer troubles. < 1301071918 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, thanks < 1301071932 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you use the keyboard keys for tab selection? < 1301071934 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew, that made it a lot better < 1301071960 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, sure, but sometimes it is easier to use the mouse, like when switching to one two rows down or such < 1301071974 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many tabs do you use at once? < 1301072001 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually varies between 3 and about 40 < 1301072070 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never use that many. My browser tabs vary usually from 1 to 5 (and 0 of course when it is not running) < 1301072096 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that "tab groups" thing, I haven't quite understood how it works yet. < 1301072143 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301072155 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I haven't seen anything like that yet. < 1301072158 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to open a thing where the tabs are show as icons. < 1301072165 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is it? < 1301072178 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the "tab list" drop-down menu at the end of the tab bar, at least for me. < 1301072213 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh. Oh right. I disabled that. I use multi-row tab bar instead. < 1301072233 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere in tabmix plus settings I think < 1301072234 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's also ctrl-shift-e. < 1301072250 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know about how it mixes (no pun intended) with tabmixery. < 1301072256 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301072285 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it does seem to work. At least it does what you described (showing preview icons) < 1301072292 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes it groups though < 1301072302 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can have multiple of them windows. < 1301072308 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the one seems to be movable. < 1301072313 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301072320 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's a "name this tab group" thing shown near the top. < 1301072338 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can create a new group by dragging in the non-group area < 1301072349 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, how does that affect the tab bar? < 1301072354 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Ooh, so you can; I was *just* about to try it. < 1301072373 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tab bar only shows the current group < 1301072388 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, would have been more useful if it colour coded the tabs or something < 1301072405 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I see pointless visual effects < 1301072412 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: So how do you multi-select tabs to move them into a new group? Control-clickery, shift-clickery or drag-a-rectangle don't seem to work. :/ < 1301072415 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :when closing the tab group page < 1301072423 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes some zooming out kind of effect < 1301072427 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather jerky too < 1301072441 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Dunno < 1301072469 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't really used it other than a few minutes of playing around with rc1 :-P < 1301072480 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news Arch Linux seems to finally call Firefox Firefox < 1301072486 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was nam...whatever before < 1301072500 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Ooh, that's funky: if I close a group, it turns into a small [...] thing that says "undo close group [x]". < 1301072502 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namoroka, the devname for 3.6 < 1301072508 0 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck the licensing deals firefox has re: name < 1301072515 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before that, Shiretoko, for 3.5. < 1301072522 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes I know it was the dev name. I just couldn't remember it :P < 1301072537 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: (... what's less funky is that the "undo" icon auto-disappeared after a dozen seconds or so.) < 1301072550 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they seem to have gone for the foxy icon as well. They used the plain bluish globe icon before < 1301072575 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my thunderbird still isn't thunderbird however < 1301072604 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the DPI issue remains... < 1301072617 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :This thing I have now (installed a daily-ish build of 4 from the LaunchPad PPA thing) seems to call itself "Minefield". < 1301072677 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1301072725 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm somehow restarting firefox fixed the dpi issue on normal pages < 1301072726 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :however < 1301072738 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of GUI text is still huge < 1301072744 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might be intentional though < 1301072756 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the add-on tab for example. < 1301072844 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and somehow the interface looks even more dumbed down < 1301072877 0 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301072987 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think the proper word is something like "streamlined" or "user-centricized" or "dynamistically reoriented in adventurious new ways". < 1301073034 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, dumbed down :P < 1301073064 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also the last one is a parody right? Or has someone actually used that one seriously? < 1301073174 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I just came up with it, but of course I can't guarantee no-one's said it ever seriously. < 1301073224 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not "dumbed down", it's "interactionally liminal". < 1301073334 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :liminal? < 1301073366 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen artsy-and-designy people use that word in randomish contexts. < 1301073396 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :spell checker thinks it doesn't exist. < 1301073405 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Liminality (from the Latin word līmen, meaning "a threshold") The liminal state is characterized by ambiguity, openness, and indeterminacy. One's sense of identity dissolves to some extent, bringing about disorientation. ..." < 1301073418 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a. gen. Of or pertaining to the threshold or initial stage of a process. rare. b. spec. in Psychol. Of or pertaining to a ‘limen’ or ‘threshold’." < 1301073437 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhoo, food-time. -> < 1301073440 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya < 1301073935 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird, trying to right click on a book mark and open properties for it doesn't work in firefox 4 for me < 1301073967 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I assume you switched, does that action work for you? Would be useful to know where to start looking for the cause (extensions or elsewhere) < 1301074029 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it works for me (in a folder in the bookmark bar) < 1301074040 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what about from the bookmarks menu? < 1301074057 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work there, it *does* work in the bookmark bar however < 1301074095 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works there too < 1301074099 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1301074133 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay wtf, it works after restarting firefox < 1301074888 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads the UNIX-HATERS Handbook.
< 1301075402 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you make phase of moon with integer arithmetic? < 1301075656 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone types on their program "Licensed under GNU GPL version 5 or later version", then does it mean you have to wait for version 5 of GNU GPL to be invented? < 1301075829 0 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-68-95-252-93.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301075829 0 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-68-95-252-93.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Changing host < 1301075829 0 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1301076558 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: AFAIK that would effectively mean that there is no license (and so no legal use) until GPLv5 is released, but "until" doesn't usually work well in law so in practice it may very well just be no license. < 1301076720 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I was asking hypothetically, since there is probably not a real reason to write such a note on your program (if GPLv5 is not yet released). < 1301076776 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have known of some copyrights which are set to expire earlier than normal, but those are just making public domain afterward, as well as being a fixed date at which it expires. So it is different than this case. < 1301076838 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no legal way to actually make the copyright expire early, all those are are special licenses with time limits. < 1301076981 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe something like: "Copyright ____ All rights reserved. Special license: After the date of June 1, 2003, this work is in the public domain; if that is not possible, then after the date of June 1, 2003, everyone has irrevocable permanent license to use it for any possible use with no restrictions, as if it is not copyrighted." < 1301077052 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this correct? < 1301077301 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first clause has no purpose, you cannot decree something to be in the public domain in a license. < 1301077350 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it correct if the first clause is omitted? < 1301077996 0 :princess!~princess@2.pool85-62-179.dynamic.orange.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1301078019 0 :princess!~princess@2.pool85-62-179.dynamic.orange.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hola < 1301078085 0 :princess!~princess@2.pool85-62-179.dynamic.orange.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hola < 1301078134 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :princess: Hello, what do you want, please? < 1301078193 0 :princess!~princess@2.pool85-62-179.dynamic.orange.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want tu speak with you < 1301078198 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :About what? < 1301078262 0 :princess!~princess@2.pool85-62-179.dynamic.orange.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don`t know < 1301078277 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :THIS TOPIC FAILS AT BEING BLANK | BUT IT ALSO FAILS AT REFERRING TO ESOTERIC TOPICS IN COMPUTING AND PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1301078282 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION twiddles his thumbs :P
< 1301078292 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can just wait and seeing in case of anyone else type something you are interested with. < 1301078340 0 :princess!~princess@2.pool85-62-179.dynamic.orange.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1301078417 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :princess, I'm afraid we're not the best place to learn to speak. < 1301078561 0 :princess!~princess@2.pool85-62-179.dynamic.orange.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :jajaja < 1301078616 0 :princess!~princess@2.pool85-62-179.dynamic.orange.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know this < 1301078642 0 :princess!~princess@2.pool85-62-179.dynamic.orange.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :I`m Spanish < 1301078656 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-214-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we had gathered. < 1301078677 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-214-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :そう思いにならせました。 < 1301078699 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Helpful as always. < 1301078705 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-214-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I strive. < 1301078752 0 :princess!~princess@2.pool85-62-179.dynamic.orange.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1301078792 0 :princess!~princess@2.pool85-62-179.dynamic.orange.es QUIT :Quit: Saliendo < 1301078832 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You people. < 1301078835 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRIVING HER AWAY < 1301078845 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-214-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AS SUCH IS OUR WONT < 1301078860 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I FEEL THE "AS" THERE IS UNNECESSARY < 1301078875 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-214-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm appending to Gregor's sentence. < 1301078887 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the "SUCH" is unnecessary. < 1301078927 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, the MIs go from 1 up to 19. < 1301078930 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-214-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I SUCH LOVE SUCH USING SUCH UNNECESSARIILY SUCH THAT SUCH I SUCH SHALL SUCH USE SUCH IT SUCH < 1301078947 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, *went < 1301078961 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All but 5 and 6 are defunct. < 1301079062 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and 13 didn't exist. < 1301079065 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR SO WE ARE TOLD < 1301079227 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, MY JAPANESE FRIEND INFORMS ME THAT THING YOU SAID DOES NOT REALLY MAKE SENSe < 1301079229 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*SENSE < 1301079234 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1301079370 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-214-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh, sure enough, I did fuck it up. < 1301079418 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.118.174 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301079496 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-214-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :そう思わせられました。 is a bit more what I was going for. XD < 1301080999 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really dislike the \outer command in TeX. Therefore, I do not use it. < 1301081011 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets in the way of a lot of things. < 1301081099 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps on old computers that were much slower, it might make sense to do this (and other) kind of error checking, that you can try to recover the rest of the document as much as possible so that you can proofread it. But new computer is much faster and such things as that are not very good, in my opinion, at least. < 1301081987 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, speak! < 1301081987 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, it would be nice < 1301082025 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best response ever. < 1301082172 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1301083270 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When was elliott last here? < 1301083300 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few seconds this morning < 1301084436 0 :iconmaster_!~rooms@dsl-66-115-77-157.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301084595 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, wait, is this damn connection still hating me? < 1301084595 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301084597 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: exciting... i've took a few seconds... on a train, just past puistola. stopped here, the usual mode of operation is to make a living hacking on eclipse plugins, come see me in my place < 1301084606 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PART #esoteric : < 1301084618 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301084643 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: now that was sad < 1301084643 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is there a space profiler for s48? is there anything in scheme48 that is like mine uses modified csv files to store the size < 1301084771 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, Puistola's a place in Helsinki. Wonder who said that. < 1301085103 0 :iconmaster_!~rooms@dsl-66-115-77-157.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net QUIT :Quit: Rooms • iPhone IRC Client • http://www.roomsapp.mobi < 1301085209 0 :iconmaster_!~rooms@dsl-66-115-77-157.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301085816 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-168-220.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301085840 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301085848 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-214-52.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301085887 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301085895 0 :pumpkin!?@? NICK :copumpkin < 1301086003 0 :iconmaster_!~rooms@dsl-66-115-77-157.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301086100 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Linear Algebra fun? < 1301086203 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, if done right < 1301086203 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :algebra in general is < 1301086265 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301086303 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, group theory is fun too. < 1301086488 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301086509 0 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-70-25.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it's not < 1301086511 0 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-70-25.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT's terrible < 1301086547 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, NO IT ISN'T < 1301086806 0 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "Puistola" pronounced Pwi-sto-la or Pu-i-sto-la? < 1301086896 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a diphthong but I wouldn't call it "pwi" :-P < 1301086925 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiktionary IPA's the "puisto" word as [ˈpuisto̞]. < 1301086934 0 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how very helpful. < 1301086958 0 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it more like Puj-sto-la, then? < 1301086968 0 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which half of the diphthong is the major half? < 1301086991 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can give you an audio file out of this speech recognition data corpus if you want. < 1301086997 0 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be useful, yes. < 1301087007 0 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, Puistola's a place on a Monopoly board. P < 1301087009 0 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s//:/ < 1301087106 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://users.ics.tkk.fi/htkallas/puistola.wav should perhaps have it. I haven't bothered to test-listen to it at all. < 1301087118 0 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there also a Lautakävely? :P < 1301087139 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The transcript says "sain hyvän syötön pasi puistolalta", where it's a name of a person, but it should be pronounced the same way anyway. < 1301087182 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long ago was windows 7 released now again? Roughly < 1301087213 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I'm wrong there should be another windows version due soon < 1301087229 0 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds pretty Pu-i-sto-lal-ta-ish, though you could call it Puj as well. < 1301087254 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 8's supposed to come in 2012. < 1301087278 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301087291 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Don't think there's any official word yet though.) < 1301087293 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the next version no longer uses a keyboard or mouse, no longer will run on a PC, and all documents *must* be stored on the internet so that they can spy on you. < 1301087331 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know whether or not any of this is true. < 1301087343 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds extremely unlikely < 1301087349 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the bit about no keyboard < 1301087449 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There has been some word on a "new version" that'd be tablet-oriented. < 1301087459 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might of course be a completely different thing than Windows 8. < 1301087473 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah aren't there tablet versions of current windows as well < 1301087496 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, all of the things I wrote might be only the tablet version. < 1301087500 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, come on, if they dropped non-tablet, what would programmers targeting windows use. And so on. < 1301087570 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write programs in C so that they are not only for Windows or only for any specific computer or operating system. < 1301087641 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck. You will need it to do anything non-trivial. < 1301087689 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301087697 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this why C was invented? < 1301087700 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How pointlessly pessimistic you are, Vorpal. You can write portable C that does all sorts of shit, so long as you don't care about GUIs. < 1301087727 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Or listing a directory. < 1301087731 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, C defines functions for working on files. It does not even consider directories < 1301087736 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, gah you beat me to it < 1301087742 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, nor network, < 1301087744 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or threads < 1301087759 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And most of my programs do not have GUIs, and most of them do not need to do directory listings either, or network, or threads... < 1301087769 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I'm sure you can do some pretty non-trivial data-processing tasks even in portable C. < 1301087787 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1301087794 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And C1x has threads. :p < 1301087811 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Threads are /sort of/ a problem. Networking isn't since BSD sockets are universal. Windows (and everything else) supports opendir/readdir/closedir. < 1301087811 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gerbil.org/tom/ < 1301087813 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really, pure C is only really useful as a common base to build on < 1301087815 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will use SDL if I want graphics and audio. SDL works on many systems. < 1301087818 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recent news < 1301087818 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Tue Aug 28 2001) A new tesla bootstrap has been released. < 1301087821 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't even do sensible OS coding in pure C < 1301087826 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But the DS9K. < 1301087856 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I want programming an operating system, the parts that are specific to the computer can be programmed by machine-codes or assembly language. < 1301087858 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, wait what? Are you assuming a /hosted environment/? < 1301087859 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1301087863 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "portable C code" I mean "C code written for existing systems which are not totally retarded". And my basis is pretty lax since I let Windows in. < 1301087865 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, I'm not. < 1301087907 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, err, I'm pretty sure you do in the statement about common OS :P < 1301087943 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, I thought you were complaining about my opendir/readdir on Windows statement. < 1301087959 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know, if you only assume a freestanding implementation, then you can't do any IO at all. < 1301087961 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, as well. < 1301087961 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I mean C code hosted in an OS, but when people write portable Python code nobody say "BUT IT DOESN'T RUN ON METAL HAW I'M TARDED" < 1301087966 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed. < 1301087978 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nobody says < 1301087978 0 :comex_!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301087984 0 :yorick_!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1301087991 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To contrast, TeX is *absolutely the same everywhere* (as long as you do not use LaTeX, pdfTeX, e-TeX, XeTeX, or any of those other things). TeX is not for writing operating systems, though. It is for writing documents to print out. < 1301087999 0 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1301088000 0 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1301088005 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I haven't been doing hosted C code programming for several weeks now. I was doing freestanding just 4 days ago < 1301088017 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well freestanding with extensions < 1301088018 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You were not writing portable C code. < 1301088026 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Nor is that an argument that portable C code does not exist. < 1301088032 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, indeed. I was including and so on < 1301088043 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: All that's an argument for is that C is powerful enough to write both portable and unportable code, so good for C. < 1301088076 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, true. Anyway you can't do much interesting in portable C really. Where portable C means what the C standard requires < 1301088092 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you *can* do quite a lot if you assume your mostly portable superset of that < 1301088100 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That really depends on your definition of "interesting". < 1301088113 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well, interacting with other stuff in this case. < 1301088125 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, that's because the C standard is a pointlessly-strict requirement. < 1301088145 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, sure you can do data processing and a simple line based text UI, but that isn't very interesting < 1301088175 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again, that's just your opinion. < 1301088203 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say our speech recognition system could be portable C, and it would still qualify as non-trivial. < 1301088207 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I could write portable freestanding C code, with the exception of the name and signature of the entry point... I wouldn't be able to observe the results however. < 1301088214 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301088220 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm true < 1301088494 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301088530 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, do you happen to know why elliott left this channel? < 1301088555 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You can just use stdin/stdout, where the audio is on stdin and the text is on stdout. Now it is a proper speech recognition system. < 1301088569 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I saw some discussion in the logs, but really I haven't been following. < 1301088592 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301088615 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I'm sure there should be something in between as well. :P < 1301088644 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2011-03-23.txt 18:20 or so. 's all I know. < 1301088649 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hearsay and so on.) < 1301088654 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Perhaps the command-line parameter to set the options. Now is it enough? < 1301088690 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I didn't mean that... < 1301088707 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1301088712 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Then what do you mean, please? < 1301088757 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I mean you need something in between stdin and stdout to make it "a proper speech recognition system" :P < 1301088761 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I'm watching The Website Is Down < 1301088782 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I notice that in this video, the person is playing some old FPS, and it immediately strikes me as old < 1301088792 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you need? Just the program, isn't it? < 1301088795 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet just before, a different one that I saw, he was playing NetHack < 1301088801 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I didn't think of it as old < 1301088838 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1301089203 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1301089547 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don?t quit smoking... LEARN TO SMOKE THE HEALTHY WAY!!! < 1301089798 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, not that unreasonable. < 1301089818 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.118.174 QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.5.18/20110319140258] < 1301089892 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1301091549 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches Father Ted.
< 1301091772 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am now playing a joke NetHack simulator < 1301091788 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am on the Astral Plane on an altar without the amulet < 1301091858 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thewebsiteisdown.com/nethack.html < 1301091909 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You quaff a potion of YASD" < 1301092064 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Killed by insulting the parser" < 1301092147 0 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1301092191 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"killed by pressing the letter 'd' < 1301092204 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("You drop... dead") < 1301092398 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs) < 1301092464 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301092591 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure it out < 1301092761 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke nethack? < 1301092776 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jokehack. < 1301092781 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1301092836 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why would you expect a joke nethack to be survivable... < 1301092868 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the blog post says so < 1301092884 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish. < 1301092889 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dpt.thewebsiteisdown.com/dpt/ < 1301092965 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hay! It says I found the gold but it says I don't have any! < 1301093061 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, hmm < 1301093072 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That Seppuku message is also associated with a different death < 1301093108 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301093155 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try wielding the elf, then the lichen < 1301093158 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or other way around < 1301093261 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to remove the armor? < 1301093273 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it's possible < 1301093410 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, can you win the real nethack btw? < 1301093419 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, have you been able to < 1301093422 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1301093433 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you need more practise then :) < 1301093434 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have a game on NAO, haven't touched it in a while < 1301093448 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, why not play locally? Way less lag that way < 1301093708 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to play a bit of Crawl I think < 1301094818 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-168-220.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301094910 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-252-152.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301094932 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :??you feel nervous for a moment < 1301095083 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-152.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301095240 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-152.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1301095430 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you use the function if a "while" or "for" loop is allowed to have a "else" clause, which would be executed if the loop terminates without using "break"? < 1301095601 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301096081 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, that sounds Falcon-like < 1301096115 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Do you know if Falcon has such a thing? And, do you use Falcon? < 1301096161 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python has for-else loops < 1301096187 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember if Falcon has it < 1301096198 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they the same as this or different? And does it have while-else loops? < 1301096216 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it has while-else loops, and it's what you're describing, I think < 1301096224 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.python.org/tutorial/controlflow.html < 1301096270 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, section 4.4 says the same kind of thing I am describing. < 1301096652 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-162-91.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301096697 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-252-152.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301096697 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301096763 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301096984 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 QUIT :Quit: Goodbye, cruel world! < 1301097027 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1301097074 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-12-28.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301097181 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301097308 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301097336 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric