< 1301529774 860169 :cheater00!~cheater@g229031195.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301529994 454328 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.114.14.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1301530082 58696 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301532379 192678 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently they got elliott < 1301533047 100279 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear God, I'm now talking about statistics, trying to find statistical evidence in my little God tester < 1301533355 547989 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What significance level should I use? < 1301533369 458147 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/100 sounds safe, I think < 1301533651 556142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1301533659 139705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm back now. < 1301533660 836112 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'morning < 1301533673 30945 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to see you escaped your horrible fate < 1301533695 220134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only. < 1301533701 333236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the underload question is: < 1301533712 527146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what code X does either (whichever is easiest to implement): < 1301533734 523508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a)(b)(c)1X == (a)(c)(b) and (a)(b)(c)2X == (b)(c)(a) < 1301533741 174038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where a number is a smith numeral < 1301533741 337234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR < 1301533751 981989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :((a)(b)(c))1X == ((a)(c)(b)) and the same for the other < 1301533754 319197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even < 1301533756 992421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :((a)(c))(b) < 1301533762 47277 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf did we call it smith again < 1301533787 265323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric := church numerals :D < 1301533790 213707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that aren't really church numerals < 1301533791 201076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know < 1301533793 492045 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that < 1301533816 978880 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just forgot if there was a rationale for "smith" specifically < 1301533822 625365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alex < 1301533826 945505 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301533834 690316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should have said "whytf", i got all confused :D < 1301533846 120019 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAH < 1301533869 47701 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok so you want c in the middle always < 1301533889 777852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: er. < 1301533892 139670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's actually just pick < 1301533895 951587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to work for N elements :) < 1301533903 96152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although N can be fixed at "compile time", if it really must be) < 1301533919 742501 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick? don't you mean roll in that case < 1301533935 711529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick as in "pick Nth element out" < 1301533944 625776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where N is TOS < 1301533951 365885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is for a switch statement, btw < 1301533953 16481 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think pick usually leaves the original element there < 1301533997 762423 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in case you have paid any attention my recent programs, i recommend using a (a)(!b)(!!c)(!!!d) structure < 1301534012 206875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that would be acceptable. (this is for a basic->underload compiler) < 1301534022 801493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically every line is an element in it < 1301534023 162019 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then use (!)n^ < 1301534030 467621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to goto, you get the right code on top < 1301534031 286429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ^ < 1301534042 469060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the structure has to be preserved, though < 1301534089 418877 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301534107 664597 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :((a)(!b)(!!c)(!!!d)) -> ((a)(!b)(!!c)(!!!d))c is just :!^, for example < 1301534111 463606 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1301534121 623870 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* :^!^ < 1301534138 170859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301534148 736987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm open to better ideas for goto btw :) < 1301534172 947713 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well _i've_ been using a lot of state machines < 1301534172 999106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the reason i want it on the stack is for computed goto, so you can implement call as a macro < 1301534181 237859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's what this is, essentially < 1301534183 791836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the state is the line < 1301534259 519183 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you might want to read how my lookup tables work in the minimization section programs < 1301534266 390303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll take a look < 1301534332 870782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rate this page < 1301534332 889005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please take a moment to rate this page." < 1301534335 412413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay wikipedia! < 1301534344 111366 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 110 automaton also uses a similar idea, although not as clear since it has three sets of simultaneous data < 1301534345 553566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just did it to tick the "I am highly knowledgeable about this topic" box < 1301534352 439965 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's where i used it first) < 1301534527 193295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it occurs to me that implementing a functional language might be easier :D < 1301534586 65947 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps. < 1301534619 525124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, your lookup tables look useful < 1301535140 383758 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301535187 59553 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1301535566 101693 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301535805 992542 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301535825 839191 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301535994 586914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic has a knack for getting on proggit < 1301536016 343317 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301536227 548131 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301536248 186072 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301536280 830815 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301536692 457530 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301536765 64029 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301537162 795258 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301537633 449132 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must find people to help me buy libc.so ... < 1301537643 702682 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's the auction going < 1301537664 646781 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Effectively not started yet, but at $180 >_> < 1301537695 946526 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1301537697 735883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'll fucking give you money if it'll shut you up ;D < 1301537704 392547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I demand five emails, since clearly you are needy. < 1301537713 711906 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "at $180" do you mean that's how much you're putting in when it starts? < 1301537723 609394 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: At $180 I mean it's at $180 :P < 1301537737 363504 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what do you mean by "effectively not started yet"? < 1301537740 416301 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s not my $180, I haven't bid anything substantial yet, I'm waiting 'til the auction is a bit more ... "mature" < 1301537743 48681 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in day three. < 1301537778 209308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: SNIPE IT < 1301537789 390980 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sniping is not possible. < 1301537795 114697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ohright, you said. < 1301537802 197370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Does it have eBay-style maximum bids though? < 1301537809 514837 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also known as "proxy bidding" < 1301537809 883044 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1301537810 240839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or does it always show the honest-to-god current top bid? < 1301537819 81211 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proxy bidding. < 1301537831 735763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1301537840 26206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yer fucked :P < 1301537859 730716 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a chance, though I've moved from "neutral" to "pessimistic" < 1301537924 781644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do OSDev communities always have a significantly stupider population than >_< ... I say this, but actually most online programming communities are even stupider... < 1301537925 527271 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, if it was a corporation, it'd already be quite clear that I'm fekked. < 1301537945 405578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Unless they're a REALLY POOR corporation. < 1301537955 663098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Bid as "Gregor INCORPORATED" so everyone else gets scared off! < 1301537963 830186 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: probably because the stupid people are the ones who say "I'm going to write MY OWN os" < 1301537969 235459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: yeah :( < 1301537971 620516 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The auctioning pattern of a corporation in a proxy-bid auction: Bid once. Done. < 1301538002 181594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Compatible with Windows, MAC, and OpenVMS V7.1! < 1301538016 185593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: XD < 1301538050 895014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I wondered for a second why eBay doesn't stop sniping themselves, but then I realised that'd drive everyone away because people are idiots >_> < 1301538078 277304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sniping is still effective, of course, because of LOL PSYCHOLOGY making people willing to pay more as they get outbid.) < 1301538084 782166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*effective in a proxy sodfhsdfsd, < 1301538195 166169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hello, < 1301538195 512337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm new in the world of "Operating Systems" < 1301538195 530714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to learn about programming a Operating System. < 1301538195 530871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you recommend me?" < 1301538210 29107 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Don't" < 1301538210 585828 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1301538238 492275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Writing OS in Assembly (BTW: I'm Crazy)" < 1301538243 22068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[...] < 1301538246 111094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :phillid (the nut who codes in assembly) :P" < 1301538255 73943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obnoxious but not an idiot, right? < 1301538257 696313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"- How do I have variables in assembly? Do I have to write to memory addresses and use several of them as variables? < 1301538257 860580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- How do I store-up input from the user (using int 0x16) in a variable (or address)? < 1301538258 24482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- How do I perform conditional IF statements? All I have found is '%IF' which is only for the compiler to run." < 1301538259 33977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WRONG < 1301538302 92985 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wow < 1301538339 299714 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he obviously thinks of assembly the same way as a higher level language < 1301538354 709252 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't say "completely and totally idiotic" but "wholly uninformed" < 1301538361 482806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I wouldn't laugh at someone who has misconceptions (well ok, maybe a little). It's the ego. < 1301538368 522362 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ah, I see. < 1301538379 460804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have such self-admitted ignorance, don't plaster statements about how you're this 1337 asm-coding nutcase on your post :P < 1301538395 270495 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh - I didn't realize it was the same person < 1301538400 302534 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301538405 64781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: yep :) < 1301538469 530567 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I teach programming to a lot of people. I've learned long ago that the best way to teach is to get the student to formulate some idea of *how* things work - even its its wrong. I usually ask them how they would do it. They think of something that may or may not work - but is interesting and work from that conception slowly molding it to how things actually work. < 1301538484 548360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm way too impatient to teach :) < 1301538529 549070 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're too impatient even to stay in the channel < 1301538535 526177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kolibri is a small x86 assembler hobby operating system. It forked off MenuetOS in 2004 and has mostly been developed by ex-USSR community since." ;; Who the heck identifies as a "ex-USSR community" if you're formed in 2004... < 1301538546 730177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Vorpal is a taxing man < 1301538555 516160 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lots of people < 1301538563 14939 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kolibri.su < 1301538691 766876 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301538910 383900 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with MenuetOS? < 1301538993 538479 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it exists < 1301540180 223460 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301540456 656526 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301540707 442084 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.229.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301540707 442206 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.229.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S Q L < 1301540886 922511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch2: DO THAT LOGGING JIG < 1301541159 988996 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1301541286 626579 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-197-58.socal.dialup.o1.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301541340 763130 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-197-58.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1301541353 584608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1301541365 90695 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1301541374 166738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ < 1301541519 278789 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301541520 982274 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301541739 314241 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301542138 431786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: say hi to the bot < 1301542163 811572 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi _MERLiN_ < 1301542450 373038 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ch2 < 1301542462 627371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch2 says hi. < 1301542470 952755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch2 is unfortunately too hardcore to reply itself. < 1301542476 421118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it has logged your kindness. < 1301542479 60799 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1301542488 335244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch2: SQL SQL SQL < 1301542517 119183 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301542537 392145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if you listen carefully you can hear it sqling < 1301542856 963336 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.....I called _MERLiN_ a bot... < 1301542858 113114 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1301543065 233081 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-197-58.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not a bot < 1301543087 179952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch2 is the bot :P < 1301543095 669800 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-197-58.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1301543102 502817 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-197-58.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just AFK watching some TV < 1301543110 367315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome < 1301543115 212476 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-197-58.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1301543123 945704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you on the wiki? < 1301543199 589761 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-197-58.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dont think so < 1301543207 819090 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-197-58.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what wiki? < 1301543212 962957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the esoteric programming language wiki < 1301543215 103535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1301543231 818511 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-197-58.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont think i ever heard of it :P < 1301543258 397399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this channel is about esoteric programming languages like brainfuck and INTERCAL, btw, not any other sense of "esoteric") < 1301543327 832724 :_MERLiN__!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301543334 195508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (this channel is about esoteric programming languages like brainfuck and INTERCAL, btw, not any other sense of "esoteric") < 1301543336 3562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you got disconnected < 1301543343 864755 :_MERLiN__!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got DCed < 1301543356 354984 :_MERLiN__!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1301543382 755333 :_MERLiN__!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do SQL, C++, Java, C#, VB.NET, PHP, HTML and CSS < 1301543409 65879 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :_MERLiN__, now consider learning languages that you would not use on the job. < 1301543419 832845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well some of those are certainly...esoteric < 1301543444 71137 :Disconnect1010!~Disconnec@99-98-149-212.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301543462 861886 :_MERLiN__!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1301543465 716057 :_MERLiN__!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1301543495 371234 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-197-58.socal.dialup.o1.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301543497 127148 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301543504 883973 :_MERLiN__!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com NICK :_MERLiN_ < 1301543505 210807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disconnect1010: hello ... no wait you're not cpressey < 1301543510 615592 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1301543513 293965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's sbcglobal.net too though < 1301543513 622387 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whats up < 1301543517 499110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sky < 1301543518 648023 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is ok < 1301543525 430918 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that guy ;) < 1301543528 312421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1301543562 253966 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whats up DC? < 1301543630 683000 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1301543632 662191 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1301543642 475828 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you working on elliott < 1301543649 483800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. ch2. < 1301543653 847325 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with your so sweet esoteric languages < 1301543661 638545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing in an esolang right now. < 1301543682 66543 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1301543691 802919 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I hope that all foes well for you ;) < 1301543942 147737 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301544095 28702 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1301545038 304532 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this is what #esoteric looks like at 05:16am! < 1301545049 86846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :INDEED < 1301545073 254053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to bed far too late, I'm going to guess that you're getting up far too early. < 1301545080 879050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Circle of life! < 1301545117 361285 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :its only 11:18pm here :P < 1301545145 304325 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301545259 474902 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301545366 239398 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301546583 768444 :Disconnect1010!~Disconnec@99-98-149-212.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301546673 808221 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301547117 125606 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301547380 381558 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1301547402 348689 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301547839 410534 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301547956 620011 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301548729 618763 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301549210 425102 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301549295 847068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301549302 490933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301549616 744677 :JaysonKaz!~jaysonm00@180.191.119.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301549679 541068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi JaysonKaz < 1301549680 314599 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.229.4 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301549694 136365 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301549825 624069 :JaysonKaz!~jaysonm00@180.191.119.63 QUIT :Client Quit < 1301550481 573026 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone tell me how to compute the probability that an asymmetric 1-D random walk returns to the origin? < 1301550513 489107 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say 73% chance of +1 and 27% of -1 < 1301550586 530273 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just recalls that it's 1 for 50% < 1301550744 317724 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was discussed here before though < 1301551429 166566 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.251.165.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, you mean the probability of a random walk "eventually" returning to the origin? < 1301551440 103822 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1301551470 432300 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know it's strictly less than one, but i confuse myself when i try to compute it < 1301551499 938406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's -4 < 1301551506 8411 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1301551511 206716 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats elliott -----### < 1301551511 390673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i just explained @ to someone and now my fingers have died of overexertion @_@ < 1301551513 456656 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello elliott. it's late. < 1301551521 872757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes! 7 am! < 1301551527 578715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very very late night < 1301551534 169961 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume you are awake because of the explaining < 1301551565 244110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just say: yes, despite the fact that this is a: lie < 1301551618 249020 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: calculate the probability that it ever reaches -1 < 1301551625 680654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your MOM is -1 < 1301551711 964631 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then in the same way the probability that it ever reaches 1 < 1301551734 857861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then add the two and divide by love < 1301551752 203570 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then use those to calculate the answer < 1301551761 235551 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well close :D < 1301551767 677871 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: actually the probability it reaches -1 is the number i really want < 1301551772 447910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :love is the best number imo < 1301551779 527085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: calculate the probability that it ever reaches -2 < 1301551784 270946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then in the same way the probability that it ever reaches 0 < 1301551787 563598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then use those to calculate the answer < 1301551790 169407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: am i doing it right < 1301551798 872677 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: oh. that's actually simpler than re-reaching the origin. < 1301551811 519114 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it? < 1301551814 679713 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do? < 1301551816 262010 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1301551846 669143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'M SORRY THAT WAS FUNNY? < 1301551882 874529 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two ways of reaching -1. either immediately, or going right immediately, and then eventually going left, twice. this should give you an equation which you can solve. < 1301551901 849291 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1301551905 692282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the generality oerjan is approaching this with < 1301551907 881209 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter one sounds compicated < 1301551924 67585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"First, find the various factors that combine to form the answer to the problem. Then, find the way in which they are combined. This should give you an equation which you can solve." < 1301551931 809165 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka, it looks like it has "probability of returning to origin" as a case in it :P < 1301551949 961021 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that the probability of "eventually going left" from any point == probability of reaching -1 from 0 < 1301551968 44647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is ignoring me :D < 1301551978 655840 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes, but only the case of returning to origin when you already know you are at 1 < 1301551979 594822 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but it's not the same < 1301551987 227796 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that different? < 1301551992 851821 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just as hard < 1301552042 895261 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: aka the probability of eventually going left. < 1301552060 996214 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, yes < 1301552069 912011 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also the probability of getting back to 1 before you do that < 1301552074 203296 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :halp < 1301552135 792236 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1301552139 580846 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lots of ways to construct binary strings such that until the last couple of digits, there have been more 1s than 0s so far < 1301552146 268336 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a recursive equation, of course. < 1301552155 277910 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1301552163 120273 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1301552226 424159 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :something i could presumably use the Master theorem to solve < 1301552262 586579 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note "recursive" here means the probability is written in terms of itself, there's no actual recursive _function_ involved < 1301552333 630669 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you overcomplicate things < 1301552397 726414 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh aha < 1301552608 263949 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got the probability of never making it to -1 as 5329/8029 for the above probabilities. look right? < 1301552619 504898 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1301552622 365523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1301552626 213029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an impressive probability < 1301552645 110 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't actually expect it to be _rational_. let me see... < 1301552654 113585 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 1-p where p=.27+.73*p*.27 < 1301552693 433072 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. i don't think that's right. < 1301552700 489665 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where'd i mess up < 1301552707 734711 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" something i could presumably use the Master theorem to solve" xD < 1301552735 499202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you just want everything to be irrational! < 1301552737 347643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHIUHSDkjgkhfg.hljg < 1301552738 86147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1301552748 982235 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: instead of "eventually going left, twice", you are "eventually going left" once and then immediately going left. < 1301552751 109130 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's 2:25am. feel free to laugh all you want. < 1301552753 828133 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think. < 1301552779 387838 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no i'm not laughing at you, i'm laughing because *you're stupid* < 1301552780 570329 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1301552782 524589 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with you < 1301552790 37748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301552795 348436 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: agreed. < 1301552801 839357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote quintopia: no i'm not laughing at you, i'm laughing because *you're stupid* i mean with you < 1301552805 765804 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :343) quintopia: no i'm not laughing at you, i'm laughing because *you're stupid* i mean with you < 1301552808 962373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1301552809 146303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1301552809 330889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1301552809 515624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1301552810 257074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1301552810 443340 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :291) (the former is a very deep theorem, i'd have had to read the whole book to understand it, so i didn't.) < 1301552810 630381 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :68) actually just ate some of the dog food because i didn't have any human food... after a while they start tasting like porridge < 1301552810 648275 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :83) It's not incest if you're third cousins! < 1301552811 368180 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :98) Ah, vulva. What is that, anyway? < 1301552812 123770 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should sleep and look at it again tomorrow when i'm less stupid < 1301552812 853681 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :162) cpressey: I have actually done a waterfall-model project that almost worked That's where you have a flexible kayak that bobs and weaves between the rocks as it plummets off the cliff < 1301552854 286825 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a great idea < 1301552863 438307 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be really fucking obnoxious about math all day < 1301552865 444872 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike usually < 1301552866 728751 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" (the former is a very deep theorem, i'd have had to read the whole book to understand it, so i didn't.)" <<< xD what a retard < 1301552879 470874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: please do, it'll be amazing < 1301552880 788665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1301552887 424939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's not incest if you're third cousins! < 1301552888 717991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :third?? < 1301552890 722698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thath isn't even a number! < 1301552908 867689 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DECIDE WHAT'S NUMBER OR NOT < 1301552913 829085 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT U < 1301552951 808375 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so the problem is i might eventually go left multiple times before i finally go left twice, yes? < 1301552966 520580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hello < 1301552984 965375 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: um... i guess you could put it like that < 1301553004 234360 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka, go from 1 to 0 many times before going to -1 < 1301553027 637901 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1301553030 867657 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. but you really only need to consider the _first_ time you go from 1 to 0. < 1301553041 338414 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the probability q of eventually going left satisfies the equation q = l + r*q^2 right < 1301553046 866439 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest is going from 0 to -1, eventually. < 1301553057 80807 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh < 1301553063 689286 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: laugh at me again < 1301553072 202486 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: why? < 1301553076 453700 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would never do that < 1301553081 848785 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats oklopol for revealing the equation -----### < 1301553109 703860 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was _trying_ not to spoonfeed a finished solution here... < 1301553110 49979 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should have been p=.27+.83*p^2 < 1301553112 481876 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well probability questions are kind of stupid unless the measure is given < 1301553120 74570 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i actually realized that just before saying < 1301553122 150950 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but was too late < 1301553137 477583 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't really been reading all that carefully < 1301553158 124751 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's all right. i purposefully ignored oklopol's comment so i could work it out myself < 1301553180 624718 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah then it's easy to see 0 -> 0 from that < 1301553184 812842 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how about the 2d case < 1301553197 277931 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 0.25 0.25 0.25 0.25 distribution, the probability should be 1 < 1301553218 714515 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1301553246 229903 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: problem. there are two solutions for p in [0,1] >.> < 1301553266 38356 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: interesting, maybe it helps breaking it into quadrants or something? < 1301553278 728427 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: one of them might be 1 perhaps? < 1301553282 522098 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1301553289 476051 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1301553300 653994 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.4ish and 0.8ish < 1301553328 175255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the probability that a random walk in six dimensions is stupid < 1301553358 799565 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :for random walks in dim>2 the probability of returning the the origin is <1 (zero perhaps) < 1301553369 503028 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you could explicitly calculate the probability that it returns in 7000000 steps, if it's more than 0.5, you're done < 1301553379 466593 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: 0.3 or something in 3d < 1301553390 752435 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1301553392 416563 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1301553394 815151 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with uniform distribution < 1301553396 578426 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1301553399 932999 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's never 0 < 1301553400 542877 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: um should .83 be .73 up there < 1301553407 175132 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :see it can always return right away < 1301553407 495474 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yes < 1301553411 19592 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not that unlikely < 1301553429 953697 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's weird that it should be .3 or something < 1301553435 200491 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a strange number < 1301553448 36497 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: um you did calculate with .73 did you? < 1301553475 962667 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, no. i changed it to .73 and this time one of the solutions is 1. phew < 1301553516 750372 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a specific reason why there should just be 1 answer? < 1301553520 191110 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good. 1 nearly has to be a solution for this kind of trick. < 1301553523 444263 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the other one is 27/73, strangely enough. now it makes sense that 50/50 probability gives you a return probability of 1!) < 1301553529 146716 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay what oerjan said i guess < 1301553543 143035 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: oh cool, is that always true? < 1301553553 770160 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives homework < 1301553567 352905 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm indeed so it _is_ rational < 1301553610 284970 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: l+r*(l/r)^2 where l+r=1 < 1301553613 605426 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :solve it < 1301553622 180835 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :see if it comes up l/r < 1301553647 456000 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i thinkamebbe yes) < 1301553650 643270 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hm wait there's something weird about that, the solution the _other_ way cannot be 73/27 :D < 1301553672 999093 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what you're saying there < 1301553681 354804 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :l+r*(l/r)^2 = l + l(l/r) = l(r + l)/r = l / r < 1301553701 591142 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: if it's l/r in general then that should hold even if l is _larger_ than r, which is impossible < 1301553713 422143 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait hm < 1301553738 398816 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case the probability series diverges < 1301553747 133472 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mena < 1301553748 440889 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the probability of hitting -1 becomes 1 < 1301553748 554688 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mean < 1301553750 879270 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's simply that then it's the 1 solution which is correct < 1301553753 219284 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301553755 227623 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1301553809 798614 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it does seem like god gave us an easy way out < 1301553841 712590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know hwo else gave us a way out < 1301553843 5673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hitler < 1301553850 130714 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : for random walks in dim>2 the probability of returning the the origin is <1 (zero perhaps) <-- cannot be zero unless the single step probabilities are zero, there is always _some_ chance of going an exact path back < 1301553901 637716 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, so that's actually true in all groups < 1301554013 400307 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in 2d, we at least know that with probability 1, every row is returned to < 1301554028 999593 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so umm < 1301554037 647369 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that doesn't really help at all < 1301554059 316434 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is exactly to investigate the relation between returns < 1301554061 292299 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :on axes < 1301554077 592206 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by "the point", i'm not sure what i mean < 1301554118 158153 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could look at the probability that it returns to a subsquare < 1301554129 641874 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a finite square? < 1301554134 533625 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1301554142 891073 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :centered on the origin < 1301554164 455744 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinkng more, for a half-plane, we could solve with which probabilities it returns to each cell on its border < 1301554189 186896 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: or inside a L1 circle of the origin < 1301554189 831876 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking < 1301554206 357810 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing here is we need the distribution for how much it jumps between each time it crosses an axis < 1301554219 578807 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that could be complicated < 1301554253 201859 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was thought you might be able to solve that similarly to the 1d case by using some serious magix < 1301554261 626824 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1301554279 812675 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no sorry that was not for what you said, it was what i thought you said < 1301554304 979805 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/9116/conditions-for-2d-random-walk-to-return-to-origin oshit fourier transforms < 1301554317 204389 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :L1 circle, that's a diamond shape < 1301554420 347793 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay enough fucking around, i should go do math < 1301554424 301664 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1301554434 806899 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no more math, it's time for math" < 1301554441 722997 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301554460 275072 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah but math i suck less at < 1301554472 600656 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what math is that < 1301554508 316550 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm going to do graph theory today, but it's just for a course < 1301554516 447817 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1301554522 878003 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly i do navigation theory for automata, and cellular automata < 1301554524 985509 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should polish your fingernails instead < 1301554531 232560 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that graph theory will do itself later < 1301554552 983390 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea < 1301554791 601934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :food is awesome < 1301554836 682339 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.229.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301554836 682466 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.229.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S Q L < 1301554839 265248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we missed you too, ch2 < 1301555999 857018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ompldr.org/vODFxYg I find taskbars to be... inadequate. < 1301556015 679522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how it can't even fit an ellipsis in there. < 1301556038 327534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION turns on window grouping. < 1301556063 664419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to make it exactly like the Windows 7 taskbar, because dammit that thing is good. < 1301556146 759420 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it would be if windows had reasonable icons < 1301556173 623518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: true, but when using windows i severely restrict the set of software i use, so that hasn't given me a problem :) < 1301556193 252784 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of the windows icons look either like a folder with some crud on top, or a stylized window that looks exactly like every other "stylized window" icons < 1301556203 884407 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the built-in stuff < 1301556207 162212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately X11 is far too unsemantic to allow me to make it *exactly* like the windows 7 taskbar in that it ignores the windows and just shows a big list of tabs when i click :( < 1301556220 992654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, that list would be impossibly huge < 1301556237 948786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did I ever get by with 1336x768? < 1301556253 408732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, *1366 < 1301556257 816335 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just define a new X11 protocol for communicating sets of tabs to taskbars < 1301556269 878854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i'm not ubuntu, i can't extend X11 effectively :D < 1301556315 717598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: honestly though, emphasising the icons over the text is a good idea, when was the last time you looked at the window titles in your taskbar? < 1301556345 296035 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what it'd be like if you had your own dedicated support and development team and could just tell them that you want some random feature and they'd fix it < 1301556360 289784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: That would be a world where @ exists. < 1301556364 778497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you mean me specifically or just in general :D < 1301556376 75329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just kidding, @ wouldn't exist in that world, i couldn't let them create something so important < 1301556376 728931 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in general :D < 1301556378 18370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd do it WRONG!!!!! < 1301556400 450734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it'd be like being mark shuttleworth, i suspect :D < 1301556445 948403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :24. < 1301556472 356436 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :emphasizing icons is good, and I'd say Mac gets that right... I guess mostly because big, useful and vectorized icons have been possible and expected for long enough < 1301556503 472384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu does not like it when you resize its panel: http://ompldr.org/vODFxaA < 1301556521 854168 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and windows 7 got the "showing icons are great!" part but missed the part where you have good icons to show < 1301556531 578664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse me, lol screenshot is the current topic < 1301556546 995884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with OS X's dock is < 1301556552 168743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's perfectly good for choosing the application < 1301556557 539418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but gets you nowhere for choosing the window inside < 1301556577 477820 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think it does nowadays < 1301556588 349902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean if you hold it down? < 1301556596 761786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. it feels like an eternity. < 1301556623 846481 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I remember seeing a menu with the windows, dunno exactly how I got it :) < 1301556631 163138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :holding down < 1301556634 536970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that opens an expose-type thing < 1301556636 400533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than a menu < 1301556637 564936 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not right-clicking? < 1301556639 83352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also right clicking < 1301556639 638796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1301556644 394882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :holding down used to always = right clicking < 1301556647 701902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apple don't give a shit about consistency < 1301556653 1568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also changed the colour of the menus of the dock items in snow leopard < 1301556655 987256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because, you know < 1301556656 545200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you < 1301556685 339344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, my panel is now animated. < 1301556692 312556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is spazzing out because it can't place the number of window icons it wants. < 1301556720 88888 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1301556740 591406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck it, it stays at default size. < 1301556766 985956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :computers are so inadequate :( < 1301556795 224213 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :computers are just missing the software to make them useful < 1301556814 353331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's not like the hardware is perfect either :) < 1301556830 902573 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/e :) < 1301556845 657381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe i'll just put this window list button in some Fittsy place and remove the selector entirely. < 1301556999 369219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should try out wmii or ratpoison or ion, maybe they can keep track of my thousands of windows < 1301557253 533006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really i should just replace ubuntu altogether, but getting linux installed on this is a massive time investment < 1301557370 139353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, look at that. i'm hating everything again! < 1301557401 916290 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you bitter old man < 1301557408 61203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i know :( < 1301557425 687680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i wonder if i was made like this so that i would be forced to either complete @ or commit suicide < 1301557460 210412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my experiences with linux on this machine have reaffirmed that buying apple hardware is a bad idea, despite the hardware itself being excellent >_< < 1301557584 5409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm, consuming food is a thing that is good ... i have to take /some/ pleasure while grumping out < 1301557592 37045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you should be the one grumping out, not me. < 1301557654 715928 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian can only express cheerfulness, so I don't think they know how to do grumpy < 1301557683 438282 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they could in english though < 1301557687 100727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. i know oerjan as a profoundly grumpy man. < 1301557700 550991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw this gives norwegians are better reputation than finns < 1301557701 660943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who are just weird < 1301557704 928608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and boring < 1301557707 436351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1301557708 455184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :than swedes < 1301557709 9682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god < 1301557709 749183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1301557710 918099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love finns < 1301557712 796320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's swedes that suck < 1301557714 648281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you're lame. < 1301557718 622446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is mostly vorpal's fault) < 1301557758 732530 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you mean *I'm* lame or just that swedes are lame? < 1301557766 422921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :swedes. i gather you're one? < 1301557787 737373 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah, just like Vorpal < 1301557818 919285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1301557819 106606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :• xmonad has: < 1301557819 124538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :• ±100% test coverage core functions and < 1301557819 124695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data structures" < 1301557824 760627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"±100%" ftw < 1301557825 535722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wtf < 1301557827 591965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this better not catch on < 1301557847 223289 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :-100% test coverage! < 1301557866 152811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to ~, that's one of the best characters < 1301557870 511228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just put ~ in front of anything i'm not certain about < 1301557875 914238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yeah, blahblah is ~stable" < 1301557876 654989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's great < 1301558015 789815 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, time to go < 1301558025 436190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but go WHERE??? < 1301558027 309919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the afterlife? < 1301558086 476728 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, to work :) < 1301558101 945043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's upsettingly logical < 1301558102 871239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1301558106 120250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate logic. < 1301558113 185384 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for making sense :( < 1301558137 179445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's ok, apology accepted < 1301558146 360350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :happiness resumes < 1301558170 926704 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'll just go where the going will have gone me < 1301558178 750992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yes < 1301558186 848284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i give you the elliott medal in coherency < 1301558301 318803 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: you should be the one grumping out, not me. <-- hey i don't have to grumping loudly all the time do i... < 1301558318 331231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are excelling grammar in these last statements few < 1301558427 80366 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :A WORD ONCE VERBED CANNOT BE UNVERBED < 1301558443 634390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301558761 715583 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, *be < 1301558864 483070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: xD < 1301558865 995321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::slowpoke: < 1301558884 768753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm afraid we now require a recording of you saying "hey i don't have to grumping loudly all the time do i..." < 1301558901 874759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i could rebind my caps lock key to the window manager control key. that is a thing i could do. < 1301558910 157737 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :once again, saved by my lack of a microphone < 1301558923 2431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'll just ask oklopol for your address and send one there < 1301558929 72227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i think oklopol said he knew your address at one point < 1301558934 887934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :point is, expect microphone. < 1301558944 967094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be addressed to "O. Er Jan" < 1301559477 812272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe what i need is a program that closes windows at random whenever i have more than five < 1301559502 953419 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably a market for that. < 1301559679 94056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is taking up half both my cpus... < 1301559679 832206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1301559696 803168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ free -m < 1301559696 992050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : total used free shared buffers cached < 1301559697 10046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mem: 3699 3667 32 0 5 111 < 1301559697 10263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-/+ buffers/cache: 3550 149 < 1301559698 104567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck < 1301559714 828770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrome, why are you eating my ram < 1301559721 914450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh i guess it's like < 1301559722 838120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shared stuff < 1301559738 111643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need an all-powerful computer < 1301559812 574297 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :htkallas 11846 0.3 2.9 6127828 115692 ? Sl Mar25 27:01 /usr/lib/firefox-3.6.16/plugin-container /usr/local/lib/libflashplayer.so 11698 plugin < 1301559823 380698 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 gigabytes is a rather impressive virtual memory size. < 1301559884 285121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301559900 581124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wait < 1301559908 674763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that free -m sticker will take into account like shared stuff i guess < 1301559916 280043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so chrome is actually eating all my ramen (plural of ram) :( < 1301559919 823540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a la boxen) < 1301560198 887271 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly that's because chrome is all spaghetti code copypasta < 1301560222 149131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :harf darf < 1301560746 410837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone have logs of 9-13th december 2002? < 1301560759 923883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie's logs start slightly after the big bang. < 1301561216 106347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait! < 1301561219 622462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is dec 09 logs. < 1301561230 767335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Log opened Mon Dec 09 07:24:10 2002 < 1301561233 48352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok CLOSE ENOUGH < 1301561239 780553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: let's luahg at fizzie for being awake at the 7 ams < 1301561374 909088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:52:30] < navigator> i'm in pine, slrn, bitchx, emacs (for notes), four ttys that vary between emacs, wget, lynx and gcc/gdb, tty9 is sendmail -q ; fetchmail -a, tty10 is slrnpull, 11 is mpg123 and 12 a root console (wvdial etc) < 1301561375 278948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a time when wizards spoke in codes < 1301561523 669349 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Around that time I was doing my "civil service" thing (we have this conscription thing + alternatives) in a place where I needed to be at... 08:30am, maybe? Something like that. < 1301561574 328461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: perhaps you are dumb? oklopol has so far applied his intelligence to magically avoid doing that < 1301561583 135232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am unfamiliar with the details, but i think they involve genius in some manner < 1301561594 641689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least this is the impression I received. < 1301561599 188667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yawn < 1301561622 74106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:25:18] < navigator> hey < 1301561622 259438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:26:06] < fizzie> welcome back, or something. < 1301561622 277567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:26:36] < navigator> did an indyone drop by? < 1301561622 277716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:26:48] < fizzie> umm, no. < 1301561622 277823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:26:53] < fizzie> actually absolutely nothing happened. < 1301561622 633389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:27:10] < navigator> ok < 1301561631 862847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1301561636 879685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought that was sgi indy < 1301561639 727086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was gonna be all < 1301561640 755911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey fizzie < 1301561645 219911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how often do random computers drop by you < 1301561710 977051 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's rather easy to postpone that thing up until the age of 28. < 1301561729 798986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. well oklopol is like 12 < 1301561735 700371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah i guess it's only a matter of time < 1301561754 460398 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not *incredibly* difficult to manage to avoid it completely, or so I hear. < 1301561759 603785 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example by being medically unfit. < 1301561766 302954 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or psychologically unfit, I guess. < 1301561793 472805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just lazy < 1301561807 663359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh, work, uh, i don't really wanna do that?, sounds difficult" < 1301561866 46610 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hullun paperit", i.e. "certificate of craziness", is the usual term of getting an official excuse due to mental health issues. < 1301561887 344674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of craziness :D < 1301561900 711386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw fizzie it's really cringing me here where you say that $_[0] is looking in the $_ array which is the default input < 1301561902 189083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1301561904 499683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some perl code in this log < 1301561909 573956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite impolite to be wrong in the past < 1301561909 592054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1301561924 893743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : • ±100% test coverage core functions and <-- typo? stupidity? joke? something else? < 1301561926 804448 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been wrong many, many times. < 1301561941 503339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: just bad usage of charrrs ;( < 1301561946 687237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: please don't be :( < 1301561946 772527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301561957 512140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: btw you know how you set envbot did some horrible horrible crap to do return vars? < 1301561989 623916 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm currently trying to come up with a context where ±100% would make sense. Some really inexact measurement perhaps? < 1301561994 357327 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's possible to just say "I'm not doing your military service, and I'm not doing the civilian service alternative either", after which you get thrown in jail; but the vast majority of those sentences are served in "open prisons" where you can do a quasi-normal life for the duration. < 1301562000 561434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: btw you know how you set envbot did some horrible horrible crap to do return vars? <-- yes < 1301562013 347585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lol() { ret=hello }; recvr() { local ret; lol; echo $ret }; ret=hi; recvr; echo $ret < 1301562014 943932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :outputs: < 1301562015 684130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1301562016 56535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1301562021 625000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: so you can already do returns, with evil. < 1301562027 840962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301562028 969646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(evil being "sh's fucked up scoping") < 1301562036 616648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ret is a fixed name there though < 1301562038 822324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you can extend this to take the return variable: < 1301562041 731719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol() { < 1301562050 57040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : eval \$$1=hello < 1301562051 908364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1301562060 153512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :recvr() { local ret; lol ret; echo $ret } < 1301562065 969586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I think you could abstract that out < 1301562066 896368 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amnesty International classifies our in-jail conscientious objectors as "prisoners of conscience"; I think at least at some point we were the only EU country with any of those. < 1301562070 412487 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something to be proud of. < 1301562079 978030 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yep. However eval scares me so I used printf -v "$1" hello for the same effect < 1301562089 161414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but that's what eval is _for_ :) < 1301562095 646538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but did you do that local trick then for the return? < 1301562107 375711 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes I used local in the caller I believe < 1301562114 959973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :return() { local var=$(shift); eval \$$var=\$*; } < 1301562121 605110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol() { return $1 hello } < 1301562124 937948 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1301562128 519824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :recvr() { local ret; lol ret; echo $ret } < 1301562130 925551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :think that should work < 1301562136 493213 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, however if the variable ret happens to be a local variable in lol() as well you are fucked :P < 1301562161 513423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hmm, clearly we need something that makes up a variable name for you. < 1301562167 709169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: does sh have "uplevel"? < 1301562172 162770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e.: eval this code in the scope of my caller. < 1301562184 299205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I know of. < 1301562200 234955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1301562203 379844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well here's an idea < 1301562209 184376 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, one way would be to use a global variable. Since I wouldn't recommend recursion in shell script anyway it is probably just fine ;) < 1301562222 150788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, exec recursion would be fine < 1301562239 369847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :return() { ____return=$*; } < 1301562243 680168 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1301562251 120453 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, forgot the quotes there < 1301562253 937035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait for it < 1301562254 614970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nope < 1301562258 196434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: variable assignment is special < 1301562267 736456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't get reinterpreted in command context < 1301562268 476894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... right < 1301562282 668295 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't been doing shell scripting for quite a while < 1301562291 119620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let() { local ____return var=$(shift); "$@"; eval \$$var=\$____return } < 1301562294 258611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1301562296 91148 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well apart from basic stuff < 1301562297 783593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test() { < 1301562299 81769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : local foo < 1301562301 297387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : let foo lol < 1301562301 481889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1301562306 3031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEHOLD THE HORROR < 1301562306 444618 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well,* < 1301562319 550742 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait what, let? < 1301562326 676553 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1301562328 546266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. is that name already taken? < 1301562336 366501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: to avoid the already-used-local-name issue :D < 1301562339 351752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, let exists yes. Does math < 1301562345 321552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. how logical. < 1301562380 280335 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, like: let resultvar 2+4 < 1301562386 673966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. how logical. < 1301562434 625929 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in *bash* you can use one of these though: resultvar=$((2+4)) or (( resultvar = 2+4 )) < 1301562442 917174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I misremember < 1301562444 444829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh is $(()) not posix? < 1301562454 419729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm possibly < 1301562494 625059 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said, it was quite a while since I did anything more advanced than simple automation in bash. < 1301562528 271802 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1301562542 445427 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1301562552 858769 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is one messed up sleep schedule < 1301562566 638458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless he moved to another country recently < 1301562618 65880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1301562622 136086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does your memory leak like a sieve < 1301562629 28488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you KNOW oerjan is on the standard 25-hour sleep schedule < 1301562633 378086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have pointed it out to you several times < 1301562636 532580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah right < 1301562643 855813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought he was trying to fix it? < 1301562650 272244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would anyone want to do such a thing as that < 1301562675 554098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has the perfect life, get up, irc and math, make lots of puns, then sleep when you get tired < 1301562679 100430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, fjords < 1301562695 211852 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well... employers tend to have rather pronounced views about not getting to work when they expect you to. < 1301562701 971812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to look at how much an old thinkpad costs on on ebay so that the prospect of installing linux again on this macbook air doesn't hurt as much < 1301562714 631827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh come on, you _know_ oerjan doesn't work :) < 1301562730 821197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ebay is a ghost town. or maybe, the things i search for are ghosts. < 1301562733 359827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so what/who pays his bills? < 1301562741 790318 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what are you searching for then? < 1301562752 401280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinkpads! i didn't actually check before searching, there is actually things here < 1301562754 330964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, so what/who pays his bills? < 1301562760 24063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, ask him, that's a personal question :P < 1301562765 336600 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1301562788 594841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do gather norway is one of those civilised countries with welfare < 1301562790 950405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a new thinkpad isn't *that* expensive. Unless you go for a w700ds or whatever the model name was. < 1301562794 463732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever the term is these days. < 1301562808 821491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah but i don't want a new one. they're all widescreen. < 1301562827 24278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uglier :) < 1301562842 878419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"5x IBM Thinkpad T41 Spares Parts Job Lot #230" < 1301562845 100285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :image is of it booting < 1301562849 299703 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, eh? Don't they look about the same still? Black slab kind of look. And still matte screens < 1301562851 392824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if they just wiped the hd by mistake < 1301562858 471000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the design has changed to be more ugly : < 1301562859 26028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301562870 379491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 turns on but has a smashed screen but i can vaguely see that it is managing its way into the bios < 1301562870 556562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 turns on and goes into the bios, the display has a red tint which gradually fades < 1301562870 574745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 has no screen and no power < 1301562870 574910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 turn on but display nothing both screens look undamaged but no guarantees as they havent been tested < 1301562881 977888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All are missing batterys, HDD\'s and HDD caddys unless otherwise stated " < 1301562887 218043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a bargain. < 1301562906 340652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IBM T42 Thinkpad Laptop - 1.7Ghz / 1Gb Ram / DVD / WiFi" £119. who the fuck is going to pay £119 for that? < 1301562926 340075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway most thinkpads (probably excluding the w700ds again) will have rather bad colour reproduction. They are business machines after all. Same goes for the built in speakers. Other than that they will be better than most other brands. < 1301562944 967560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just want something that lets me install linux on it over and over again without crying :D < 1301562963 977647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is mostly just to shut my inner voice up, i'll break down and see about getting some other distro to work on this soon. < 1301562967 616481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a scary prospect. < 1301562979 967650 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what was the issue with getting it to run on the macbook? < 1301562984 432757 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember < 1301562990 843166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: everything :) < 1301562999 963322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the macbook air is picky about what it boots. beyond that, drivers drivers drivers. < 1301563024 172135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hardware is perfect, everything else about this machine sucks :( < 1301563041 32116 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it was a brand new model then iirc? With Linux, support tends to improve over time. < 1301563058 489777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well it was a few months old. and mostly similar to the previous model and macbook pros. < 1301563062 951522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly similar = basically identical < 1301563063 261845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301563065 909367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Don't waste your time. < 1301563066 96888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :These systems are fast. They boot up 57% faster, and they shut down in 5 seconds." --lenovo.com < 1301563070 636208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW!!! SHUTS DOWN IN 5 SECONDS!! < 1301563080 854669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :here i am thinking that systems should _boot_ in 5 seconds < 1301563091 685627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no. shutting down: that is what we do on our laptops. < 1301563093 163071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I assume that means windows 7 will at most take 5 seconds to shut down. No matter what < 1301563102 970895 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :including when installing a service pack < 1301563104 901892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone call mythbusters < 1301563125 871040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw, does it say 57% faster *than what* < 1301563128 912700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lenovo.com/images/products/professional-grade/thinkpad/x-series/960x430_hero_x201.jpg wow, they managed to make the x series ugly :/ < 1301563133 801287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's meant to be a slab, not a... flob :( < 1301563138 415202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: than the previous model, i guess < 1301563144 149863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301563147 121218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Epic battery life" are you serious < 1301563152 556034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought this was a business machine < 1301563156 568464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, fuck getting a new one :D < 1301563159 382935 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that link: what is wrong with that? < 1301563168 332913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that looks like a slab to you?! < 1301563174 811571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's got ridges and twiddles up the wazoo. < 1301563188 129992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :compare: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2141/2271406891_a51f3320e7.jpg < 1301563190 660156 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you mean the palm rest looks curved? < 1301563198 988753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. and the switches. < 1301563215 480281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ughh, i forgot thinkpads have the fn key in a stupid place < 1301563219 129454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1301563225 64817 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, same as macs have? < 1301563229 623032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :) < 1301563237 9092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes ctrl incredibly awkward to press < 1301563239 954681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to curl my pinky < 1301563247 221618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, more often, move my hand so my thumb is over it < 1301563249 727968 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, come on, you get used to it fairly quickly. I have no problems reaching either key < 1301563259 315706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pressing ctrl is still a pain imo < 1301563264 148419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IBM Lenovo ThinkPad keyboard trackpoint tip nipple hat" < 1301563265 261807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nipple hat :D < 1301563273 327737 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that from lenovo? < 1301563277 120743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so wtf < 1301563278 89373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, ebay < 1301563280 991041 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301563281 641020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hi and welcome to my auction < 1301563281 659093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this advert is for spare parts from a IBM THINKPAD I SERIES TYPE 1161 < 1301563281 659255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not use the buy it now as you will not recieve anything!!!" < 1301563286 274180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy it now price: 99p < 1301563292 487578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GREAT WAY TO LOOK CHEAP, FUCKER < 1301563298 84264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should hit buy it now < 1301563301 446138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and demand they give me the parts < 1301563304 418881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks to ebay's TOS < 1301563319 107387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :99p to irritate some sleazy dbag: worth it?? < 1301563336 649247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also dear god. what happened to people being able to type and spell. < 1301563339 424931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fff < 1301563342 130845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did you see that line from a combat report in df I posted yesterday? < 1301563351 378326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, actually just today i lost it when itw as first said < 1301563354 128175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, in logs yes. < 1301563381 44403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was...yeah. < 1301563421 23175 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw there is a column on the health overview screen for sensor nerves and one for motor nerves. Presumably your dwarfs can get damage to those. < 1301563424 447033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm hmm window managers hmm < 1301563441 865001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :using ion3 until the sun goes cold would maximise my old-fartiness. < 1301563457 77203 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301563471 557854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, ratpoison or wmii or xmonad is probably a better choice :P < 1301563483 334577 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I guess that depends on what you want. You could use that port of the plan9 window manager I guess < 1301563496 731648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never tried it on X < 1301563501 279363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a disaster < 1301563510 380851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, i want something automatic. i decided that traditional window management is unusable for me after creating the following scene without realising it: http://ompldr.org/vODFxYg < 1301563516 303726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I've used it, it's ... fine < 1301563516 859082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1301563519 642468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's exactly like plan 9's wm < 1301563534 606599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never thought of rio as the greatest part of plan 9 ever so, yeah, it's... not that interesting < 1301563535 795085 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, quite. But it lacks the rest of plan9 around it. < 1301563548 684752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :less talking about plan 9, more gawping at how my taskbar couldn't even fit an ellipsis in :D < 1301563556 442272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was thinking interactions with windows would work less well in the port < 1301563569 687426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: no, i want something automatic. i decided that traditional window management is unusable for me after creating the following scene without realising it: http://ompldr.org/vODFxYg <-- chrome has tabs I think < 1301563576 223304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: funny man. < 1301563587 338440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i open new windows according to a proprietary trade secret algorithm < 1301563592 177489 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301563596 674854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i open new windows when i feel like they would disrupt my tabs :D) < 1301563604 625146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and I instead have three rows of tabs in firefox. < 1301563609 926600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: having all that in one window would be... interesting < 1301563611 964223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be about 10 rows. < 1301563627 988392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i like to have pages BEHIND other pages that i can just click to, my browsing isn't really optimised for efficiency < 1301563634 333325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to maximise the amount of things i can do to get more things to appear < 1301563638 689141 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right. I seldom reach that. Firefox has a great built in feature to help you keep the tab count lower than that < 1301563643 174174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is called "lagging to hell" < 1301563649 774501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's quite a feature < 1301563686 357693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i have a feeling tiling wms might not work for me either though :/ < 1301563693 772431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why i was thinking ratpoison, that's more a ... hiding wm < 1301563704 553792 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never used it < 1301563707 345040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of sight, out of mind, still taking up two thirds of your ram < 1301563714 239548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: basically it doesn't automatically tile < 1301563719 801550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just replaces the current frame with the new one when you create/focus < 1301563724 741744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all tiling is manual if you really want it < 1301563734 2986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like screen for x :P < 1301563737 54013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it's exactly screen for X < 1301563759 377399 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a person (whose nick matches the regexs /^inei/ and /ros$/) who -- instead of bookmarks or even a horrible set of tabs -- keeps a huge set of pages in "restore previous session" prompt windows, *nested* something like eight levels deep. < 1301563772 490810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that... :D < 1301563775 80049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nested. < 1301563775 338419 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so... everything is a full screen app unless you really really want to do some arcane key strokes to split the screen? < 1301563779 708470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't believe that even works fizzie < 1301563784 779462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "arcane"; it's like C-t h or something < 1301563791 848248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes. like gnu screen < 1301563800 998059 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I couldn't believe it either, and apparently it broken down quite badly when the nesting level got to high single-digits. < 1301563812 458875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I didn't know you could have more than one set of tabs to be restored... < 1301563812 986821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: we need screenshots of this. blurred if necessary. < 1301563820 102041 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it isn't firefox? < 1301563822 962680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: presumably he just kills firefox with the restoring thing still open < 1301563825 719434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that it counts as a tab to restore < 1301563830 189496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then he can restore that tab to see more < 1301563835 580213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm in awe < 1301563840 644225 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It was Firefox, yes; and you can only have them by forcibly terminating it so that there's still the restore-session tab pending. < 1301563846 123208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301563850 755262 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my < 1301563858 119484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros: can...can i come to finland and see the horror < 1301563865 59671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops i pinged him ;D < 1301563866 642746 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm sure there is some sort of extension to do this more cleanly... < 1301563901 64485 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, I thought it quite bizarroid too. < 1301563921 823967 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so you can get a restore session tab listed in the restore session tab? How.... weird... < 1301563972 447714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDD < 1301563973 830424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the best < 1301563983 250010 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also I assume reaching one from the innermost nesting level will be quite messy < 1301563983 427963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm surprised it doesn't like < 1301563991 212923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :open with a blank list < 1301563995 134146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1301563996 566257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm surprised it keeps that list with it < 1301564022 186701 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Manufactured example: http://users.ics.tkk.fi/htkallas/restore-restore.png < 1301564049 767226 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be even nicer if it'd expand the "restore session" in that list so that you'd get a tree-like thing. < 1301564063 949726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Embarrassing indeed. < 1301564069 272599 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it indeed kept the list; I got my original set of tabs back. < 1301564071 679656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope ineiros feels the embarrassment every time he uses it. < 1301564082 323141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Please inform me of how ineiros came to use such an insane system. < 1301564094 455941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did he just kill Firefox one day with a restore session thing open, re-opened it and went "oh hey, this is convenient"? < 1301564112 290231 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he had to flatten out the thing after Firefox went into some sort of "closing a tab takes 15 seconds" mode due to all the... something. < 1301564117 973074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if df has some way to quickly jump to a specific z level. Some sort of bookmark or such. Considering that it's sub-surface is much deeper than minecraft the scrolling with > and < can get tedious when you need to control activities near surface and mining very deep at the same time < 1301564121 332267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something indeed. < 1301564121 350184 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the genesis of the awesome, unfortunately. < 1301564137 282476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But then you couldn't have the Room Outside of Space! < 1301564148 64381 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, err? < 1301564151 795927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That awesome WM thing you use, can it do tabbing? < 1301564159 854084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: cf. Boatmurdered (or was it Syrupleaf? It was one of them!) < 1301564186 890451 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay. I looked a bit at them, but I haven't read the whole things. So quick summary perhaps? < 1301564189 114224 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the room < 1301564207 550944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's a room that's ~impossible to find due to having no paths to it. < 1301564213 940429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301564228 764908 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can still find it by just going through each z level though < 1301564235 158938 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There's a lua extension called "tabulous" that adds some sort of tabbing thing, but I haven't tried it out. < 1301564271 151491 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and if anyone is in it, you can just bring up the unit screen (u), select the unit (arrow keys), then focus on it (c). < 1301564289 83902 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what wm do you use btw? < 1301564292 213547 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if I'd really recommend Awesome; it's not my favouritest thing ever. I just can't be motivated to switch again. < 1301564293 162594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, you can still find it by just going through each z level though < 1301564296 285911 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Awesome. < 1301564296 875951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were ridiculous numbers of them. < 1301564300 832554 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1301564319 989249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: BTW, the thing ended with the single remaining living dwarf in the Room Outside of Space. < 1301564326 146960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, some 200 or so I'd guess? Probably more if there are mountains on the map. < 1301564329 653151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: With enough food to last for quite a while. < 1301564331 170460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It never actually ended. < 1301564341 872384 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have about 200 I *guess* and I'm in fairly flat terrain < 1301564344 784297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, remember that there's still the x/z to traverse. < 1301564367 633631 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, true, but there is a overview map in one pane (can be enabled/disabled with tab) < 1301564373 575660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (The single remaining dwarf, that is, after the two stats-are-completely-off-the-charts megadwarves were put in a room to battle it out to the death.) < 1301564407 682052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It ended with the now-armless HolisticDetective (I think?) BITING Nemo to death.) < 1301564428 31920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then HolisticDetective I think died on account of having very few limbs. < 1301564436 53795 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm that remaining dwarf... if it stayed alive until the next wave of immigrants... < 1301564460 51792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think everyone was quite sick of the fortress at that point :P < 1301564465 471459 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and I think mixed climate embarkments are bugged < 1301564482 205222 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :warm climates should not freeze during winter. Temperate should < 1301564483 762972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you not only have a massive superweapon that you activate, but then ALSO build a TRIBUTE to those who died in its activation which ITSELF is an even BIGGER superweapon, and then activate THAT... < 1301564493 421342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they won Dwarf Fortress :P < 1301564497 194355 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fort is just over a boundary. However the whole map does freeze < 1301564564 326676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :man... i think i've never made so many links in my life < 1301564571 490709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm reading over the explanation of @ I wrote) < 1301564587 823930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it's only 12 links. but it looks like more. < 1301564733 240871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You should have used this font on that CRT you overclocked: http://www.timeguy.com/cradek/01128220822 < 1301564735 895709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(YES, OVERCLOCKED) < 1301564752 718140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/patrickhaller/no-wm ;; maybe i'll just ditch WMs entirely < 1301564943 577613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i should get a desktop. < 1301564949 365615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't use this laptop all the time. < 1301564954 24897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well can. but. < 1301565016 971143 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could attach screen, keyboard and monitor to it < 1301565025 636533 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, besides, what about your imac? < 1301565029 656590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : you could attach screen, keyboard and monitor to it < 1301565038 213794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, was it the air? < 1301565040 676685 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget it then < 1301565051 339017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true. it would become a desktop with a moderate amount of ram, a slow-ish cpu, not much disk space (albeit ssd), < 1301565057 59802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with a painful installation process for linux < 1301565066 151439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that appealing, the 13" screen doesn't bother me :) < 1301565088 537628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the imac is ok but it suffers the same linux-hatred problem and it's ... really pretty damn slow < 1301565091 687002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's five years old, after all < 1301565097 595810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you very quickly get used to larger screen sizes. 24" is nice. Lots of space for stuff < 1301565112 721398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i used a 20" with the imac and that's pretty big if you ask me :) < 1301565122 162158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actually i've adapted fine to smaller screens. it's the dpi. < 1301565164 536978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and ofc a too-large screen is pretty unergonomic. < 1301565179 907970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as annoying: maximised browser window on too-large screen = long text line is long < 1301565294 25142 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, but a large screen mean I don't have to maximise the browser window < 1301565361 20074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and with a tiling wm? :) < 1301565372 434783 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301565381 128056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you can't always have enough auxiliary windows to pollute your screen with to make it size out right. < 1301565386 735150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably you should be able to like < 1301565387 656536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have padding < 1301565392 876804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's hard to figure out how to make that work smoothly < 1301565398 354718 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1301565413 145579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't use a tiling one however. I'm boring and just use metacity < 1301565422 591415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, well, metacity is failing me :) < 1301565432 710702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: now watch as i unravel what i really want in a wm, and end up with @ < 1301565453 173933 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how unexpected :P < 1301565466 332947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1301565467 818499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my burden. < 1301565486 650927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but, there is no way i will get @ written without a comfortable linux setup to do it in. < 1301565522 742210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: btw the fact that i am small and short influences my taste in monitors :D < 1301565532 296994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :24" would literally be bad for my neck. < 1301565552 898356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1301565559 962512 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have the problem that I open far more tabs than I can actually read or "process" correctly. Sometimes it happens that Firefox crashes when I have 150 tabs open, 10 of which are Youtube. Then I just want to quickly check some page, it sometimes happens that I leave the "Restore session" there for another day. < 1301565581 576315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I feel like you may have exaggerated this "10 levels deep restore session organisation" thing. < 1301565582 129324 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And sometimes this happens two, three, four or more times in a row. :P < 1301565584 914174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1301565587 507922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1301565599 928060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros: It's probably Flash doing the crashing. < 1301565604 400583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an exceedingly crashy piece of software. < 1301565606 296761 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm large and need to put my 24" at the max height the monitor stand can extend to make it comfortable :P < 1301565606 997328 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And then I suddenly have a total of ~1000 tabs waiting for me in ~10 layers. < 1301565611 24403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's an about:config thing to sandbox all plugins that you might want to try. < 1301565616 237631 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :to to* < 1301565622 52524 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, mostly Flash. It's now disabled in my Firefox. < 1301565632 491022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I've said before, there needs to be a browser that makes no distinction between tabs and history. < 1301565645 52875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recent stuff is on the bottom (sidebar list), older stuff is further up. < 1301565648 387188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuff gets unloaded automatically. < 1301565682 479894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i wonder how small they make ips displays :) < 1301565687 389856 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :har < 1301565695 175781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was only barely a joke < 1301565701 531819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although ips is a bit out of my price range :D < 1301565706 913226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so you want that sort of colour reproduction? < 1301565729 804079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it doesn't feel right to be able to change the colour of something by dragging it to the bottom of my screen. < 1301565750 942022 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then just forget thinkpad :P < 1301565751 204073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also tn displays tend to be made crappily in general IME :) < 1301565757 206292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's a laptop :P < 1301565788 199763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll get a vt100. < 1301565790 543929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just use that. < 1301565795 801850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :connect to a VAX with it. < 1301565807 464981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, my TN desktop monitor doesn't do heavy colour shifting < 1301565809 992977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i have problems with my internet connection, call up tech support < 1301565813 442202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"go to control panel" "what?" < 1301565814 985420 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's an Asus < 1301565815 366299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"move your mouse to" < 1301565818 2097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i don't have a mouse" < 1301565824 333725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...ok, press the windows key on your keyboard" < 1301565831 648399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i don't have one of those. do you mean F994?" < 1301565844 699563 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, presumably they mean the blinken lights control panel :P < 1301565847 279061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...sir, what computer do you use?" < 1301565853 656205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh um, it's an 11/750." < 1301565856 380782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*click* < 1301565867 72268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(vax model number shamelessly stolen from wikipedia) < 1301565892 801732 :cheater00!~cheater@e181134156.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301565937 243407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :another idea for that tabs=history browser: when you move away from a tab, it hides it and holds it ransom for 24 hours < 1301566042 474688 :cheater-!~cheater@g224203099.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301566101 968691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how would this work with ajaxy stuff? < 1301566109 926904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :specify further < 1301566114 706915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like gmail encode it into the url nowadays < 1301566117 537318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so reloading is harmless < 1301566122 135783 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay hm < 1301566137 379670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd only unload a tab if you don't click it for like hours < 1301566138 76222 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about stuff like bank websites. Where you want to close everything when you log out. < 1301566147 147240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, you can Ctrl+W < 1301566251 699679 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terminals are nice. < 1301566267 524323 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The VT510 I had at one point could do a 50-line 132-column thing. < 1301566276 733426 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a hardware status line. < 1301566305 18104 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a built-in terminal-side calculator thing with line-drawing graphics. (It could paste the result as if you typed it.) < 1301566363 369802 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of computer connected bar code scanners. Often they just act like keyboards < 1301566373 24184 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the computer that is < 1301566398 803890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :interfaces suck. environments suck. society sucks. people suck. things suck. < 1301566399 358580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :woop < 1301566400 698255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1301566403 105916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the top of the stack < 1301566410 823422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow I'll be back down at the bottom and not even know it < 1301566418 524886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :until the suck starts again < 1301566468 259153 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how practical magma forges would be in real life. Probably not very < 1301566519 408043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely! < 1301566549 357379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i really should buy a vax < 1301566553 619291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and release @ for vax only < 1301566561 522006 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why vax < 1301566571 745785 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not some other unusual system < 1301566573 268701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they have a lot of instructions, so i can pick only the ones i like, and use those. < 1301566586 812574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, CISC or RISC? < 1301566601 349126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very CISC. < 1301566605 163019 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1301566608 16286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *inspired* RISC because of how many goddamn instructions it had. < 1301566612 706848 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1301566620 960463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And most of them were slower than doing their effect by hand :P) < 1301566627 695592 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, come on a lot of RISC have lots of instructions < 1301566631 210889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (Literally, VAX is basically what caused RISC to be created :P) < 1301566653 388385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking hell i don't mean vax the vacuum cleaners google < 1301566657 478790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let fucking google sgjdkjfsghldfg < 1301566686 637635 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the thing about RISC is that they are really load-store architectures. Sometimes with a lot of instructions. < 1301566693 987884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: can't find a figure of how many instructions a vax had < 1301566695 886792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was a lot :D < 1301566715 981424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it would be fun to have an ISA where it read like VLIWs < 1301566720 273338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and every VLIW was a small functional program < 1301566725 878593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking in registers and spitting out new ones, or something < 1301566741 553712 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it would be even slower than IA64 < 1301566781 556289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itanium isn't exactly slow < 1301566787 938279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's popular in dem soopercomputers < 1301566794 185813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. < 1301566796 221802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dem "enterprizes" < 1301566817 443556 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you remember that it become a commercial failure due to lack of performance? < 1301566822 957015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes. itanium 1 < 1301566825 398469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itanium 2 is much faster < 1301566828 815743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301566831 498257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, an itanium desktop would be fun < 1301566834 276853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: < 1301566836 289693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: An Itanium-based computer first appeared on list of the TOP500 supercomputers in November 2001.[34] The best position ever achieved by an Itanium 2 based system in the list was #2, achieved in June 2004, when Thunder (LLNL) entered the list with an Rmax of 19.94 Teraflops. In November 2004, Columbia entered the list at #2 with 51.8 Teraflops, and there was at least one Itanium-based computer in the top 10 from then until June 2007. The pe < 1301566836 473181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ak number of Itanium-based machines on the list occurred in the November 2004 list, at 84 systems (16.8%); by June 2010, this had dropped to five systems (1%).[72] < 1301566838 49243 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they should have called it something else than itanium then < 1301566866 161239 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301566979 612577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to get @ bootstrapped :( < 1301566990 353306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. write a full interpreter in asm and then write a full compiler in that language. bleh. < 1301566997 902965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first bit, is the bit I don't look forward to. < 1301567007 197004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i need the persistence layer at the same point. < 1301567034 715573 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why not do it in another language than asm? You could cross compiler for that in a high level language? < 1301567059 500144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: like what? name a high-level language with a compiler that spits out freestanding machine code that will plug in to other asm cleanly < 1301567081 176352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, even dropping the high-level requirement, the only player is C, and even that's not perfect. plus, you know, writing interpreters in C isn't a piece of cake either < 1301567103 407678 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, better than x86 asm I'd say < 1301567121 368499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. but x86 asm is at least more "fun". < 1301567139 663282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i could bootstrap an implementation on linux, then somehow port that over. but that actually sounds very painful. < 1301567144 876459 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is fun as in the redirect from fun on the df wiki to the article about losing :P < 1301567191 699484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no, it's winning. writing interpreters in freestanding x86 asm is exactly what charlie sheen would do in this situation. < 1301567208 526943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol #@ is a channel :D < 1301567220 192665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ChanServ- Founder : vr < 1301567220 377635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ChanServ- Registered : Sep 04 18:06:23 2004 (6 years, 29 weeks, 5 days, 16:20:20 ago) < 1301567220 395665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ChanServ- Last used : Mar 14 17:08:56 2007 (4 years, 2 weeks, 3 days, 17:17:47 ago) < 1301567220 932187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1301567272 678799 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you do a group registration you could probably take it over :P < 1301567280 822299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesssssssssssssssssssssssssss < 1301567287 161376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds productive and worthwhile, who wants to be my groupie < 1301567288 109562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1301567289 672749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :group partner < 1301567295 417779 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1301567559 136944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :number of chrome windows just decreased by one to 24 < 1301567562 618763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :celebrate everybody! < 1301567582 213667 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, iirc firefox 4 allows you to group tabs or something. < 1301567589 939240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds lik ework < 1301567591 603234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*like work < 1301567635 192693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 elliott elliott 150K 2011-03-31 11:33 logs.sqlite3 < 1301567635 890828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops. < 1301567639 505770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :accidental copy-paste. < 1301567641 310010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you saw nothing. < 1301567657 831511 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm. Copy cat of fizzie eh? < 1301567663 292404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1301567666 67531 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :We saw your user name. < 1301567676 388594 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :we saw that you used sql < 1301567687 516869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch2: did anything happen? I think that nothing happened. < 1301567691 213399 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLite in particular. < 1301567750 137981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh now this will horrify Vorpal < 1301567750 871236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_sSnLmJN78 < 1301567927 227274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that That Bassett Disaster guy is anyone from here... < 1301567963 705995 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1301568155 952119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You saw nothing, k? < 1301568161 609343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTHING < 1301568168 567603 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I saw that line < 1301568172 785176 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : -rw-r--r-- 1 elliott elliott 150K 2011-03-31 11:33 logs.sqlite3 < 1301568174 610894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTHING < 1301568177 242582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU SAW NOTHING < 1301568179 971243 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what was it about? < 1301568200 447504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ wc -l visor.c < 1301568200 633612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :387 visor.c < 1301568200 651553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK my hands keep slipping < 1301568204 805765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, sure a mispasted line, but why are you acting like this about it < 1301568228 745262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOTHIIIIIIIIIING < 1301568233 376270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also I don't believe that. You said " FUCK my hands keep slipping" the same second as those two lines above it < 1301568233 764744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRADE SEC- i mean NOTHING < 1301568250 449471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: THEY SLIPPED OUT "FUCK MY HANDS KEEP SLIPPING" TOO!!!!! < 1301568252 120594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S OUT OF CONTROL! < 1301568256 642284 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just improbable if you realised *after* < 1301568273 503259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY SPONTANEOUSLY TYPED THAT RANDOMLY EITHER < 1301568412 496306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. @ actually can't compile EVERYTHING at execution time. < 1301568523 555048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, of course not. The compiler itself needs to be pre-compiled. Or run by an interpreter during boot (possibly made to compile itself, then switching over to that compiled one) < 1301568536 47671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The compiler and the persistence layer, to be precise. < 1301568556 289414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :An interpreter isn't an option; the language will evolve with the system, and like hell am I going to keep an asm interpreter up to date with an Advanced Compiler(TM). < 1301568556 921436 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, probably also the memory allocation, but that may be in the persistence layer < 1301568564 518665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What memory allocation? < 1301568581 226270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you just mean "how to decide what parts of disk to cache in memory", then yeah, persistence layer. < 1301568582 541170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, allocating buffers for DMA for example. < 1301568599 605839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean "how objects are allocated in the abstract address space to be persisted on disk", well, that's just part of the object model. < 1301568606 322763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is part of the runtime. < 1301568609 468144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is tied to the compiler. < 1301568613 81011 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I mean when using DMA for the network card and so on < 1301568629 375259 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or buffers for other hardware communication < 1301568635 417930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Well, it's not like DMA things will be freed very often. :P < 1301568647 224384 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, doesn't USB do DMA? < 1301568656 676746 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know firewire does < 1301568662 72539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly firewire is mostly dead < 1301568662 685799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. But the precompiled code isn't going to be using DMA. < 1301568674 299840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and SATA definitely uses DMA < 1301568675 603679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its only job will be to compile the startup code and execute that. < 1301568722 813316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: re: firewire: THUNDERBOOOOOLT < 1301568724 730910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, besides even for things that don't use DMA you still need buffers quite often. Stuff like buffers for TCP communication. < 1301568733 987696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And? Those are objects. < 1301568740 103284 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301568769 228467 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but it would be useless to persist those on disks. For a start during a reboot the tcp connection would time out. < 1301568793 523664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, purely as an optimisation the objects could hint in their metadata that persisting them is pointless. < 1301568798 901794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if they do get persisted, it's no big deal. < 1301568799 32549 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if a computer is turned off, you can't persist the whole internet's state against you. :P < 1301568804 532621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll just be GC'd later. < 1301568832 378564 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you will have to deal with the lack of persistence as soon as you involve network communication < 1301568839 268432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Remember that @ is designed for SSDs. Well, SSDs with even better write-cycle lifetime than the current generation SSDs.) < 1301568841 9539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not really. < 1301568847 843749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sockets die when you wake your computer up, not that complicated. < 1301568864 689645 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, okay that works < 1301568909 688088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw what about transactions? If it isn't a laptop and you get a power outage, without an ups... < 1301568918 911336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define transaction. < 1301568936 285126 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, think a database that wants to be sure it's objects won't be lost. < 1301568951 69706 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case of a power outage, or fatal PSU failure or whatever < 1301568968 353316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, "object writes" are (in theory) atomic. < 1301568976 532750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'll just get the last persisted thing. < 1301569029 984728 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well right, but a database won't be happy with that. When COMMIT; in SQL (and the equiv in other types of databases) succeed there should be no way that the data could be lost after. < 1301569043 349206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it tells the persistence layer to commit it. < 1301569046 578366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301569049 916636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the machine crashes while that's happening, well, what the fuck can you do? < 1301569065 738731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because some sql server developer says that COMMIT; means that things will NEVER EVER GET LOST doesn't stop physics :) < 1301569086 882524 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed. The harddrive could catch fire or such < 1301569109 124843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who likes sql anyway, it sucks < 1301569134 92476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right. Elliott "-rw-r--r-- 1 elliott elliott 150K 2011-03-31 11:33 logs.sqlite3" Hird. < 1301569144 844924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe I said, "nothing happened"? < 1301569148 469868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :P < 1301569151 967561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway that was just a really bad typo for "hi there everyone". < 1301569159 190351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch2: Wasn't it. < 1301569160 738305 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :riight < 1301569176 663580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Ask ch2 yourself. < 1301569176 704563 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ch2 is a bot as far as I can tell :P < 1301569187 330060 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably run by you < 1301569192 697673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would ask it how it felt about that accusation but I'd have to open logs.sqlite3 to see its reply. < 1301569210 851264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, aha, so that is what the file is for :P < 1301569217 770194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXCUSE ME? < 1301569269 191232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is clear that Vorpal knows not of what he talks. < 1301569295 769995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :har < 1301569339 213204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot: WHAT IS YOUR OPINIONS < 1301569365 841387 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You're the extroverted one, what do you think? < 1301569366 27611 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i believe it anyway. it doesn't < 1301569398 237246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot believes me! < 1301569398 605761 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: x y z))? the number one?" < 1301569407 956860 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Believes "it". < 1301569412 330357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ch2 has aspirations, you know! < 1301569414 546814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes! < 1301569421 837240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mayhaps it believes ch2. < 1301569549 939010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: SHEESH < 1301569589 916585 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1301569606 238223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Your rampant disbelief. < 1301569682 236673 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rustles. < 1301569686 741277 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :His rampart disbelieve. < 1301569726 182123 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. there's a Rampart port in the PlayStation Network thing. < 1301569743 286513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So did that C128 ever get an IPv6 stack running? < 1301569757 34847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONVERSATIONS FROM 2002 < 1301569803 100970 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It hasn't really been used much; doing anything with it involves too much hardware, and somehow hardware makes me feel queasy. < 1301569811 666266 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :All those cables and things, ugh. < 1301569823 555516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301569825 332402 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :We really should get rid of all the physical nonsense. < 1301569896 702304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So it doesn't do IPv6? < 1301569899 404023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How sad. < 1301569908 894830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ais523. < 1301569937 509491 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't really do any sort of networking at all; I don't have the hardware. < 1301570030 576012 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1301570227 647047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:50:53] -!- navigator [~andreou@ppp5.ee.teiath.gr] has quit ["[BX] Occifer, I'm not as think as you stoned I am!"] < 1301570227 797251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:56:30] -!- IcemanX [Iceman@62.103.251.206] has joined #esoteric < 1301570227 815130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:56:54] < IcemanX> Have you seen navigator today? < 1301570265 49891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, close timing < 1301570288 14820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, according to Slashdot, Samsung has been installing keyloggers on new laptops it sells, in order to collect usage statistics < 1301570294 24326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can they possibly have thought that was a good idea? < 1301570297 731762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also according to reddit < 1301570304 158911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it must be true < 1301570308 383302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1301570310 50478 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also according to a-place-I-forgot. < 1301570321 638859 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/sec/2011/040411sec1.html < 1301570323 298057 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That place. < 1301570332 168143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just me, or does slashdot look quite pland nowadays? < 1301570336 26406 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Full disclosure: link courtesy of 'ros.) < 1301570336 209302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bland < 1301570347 433421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1301570351 548892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be really sure, we should check el reg < 1301570377 725677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/30/samsung_imitating_sony/ < 1301570382 399916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Updated: denied by Samsung" < 1301570385 851107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's obviously false then < 1301570387 822840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was even in red text < 1301570392 821797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Update Samsung has issued a brief denial, in which it said the researcher has identified an innocuous directory as the keylogger in error. Its statement says that the researcher's security program "mistook a folder created by Microsoft Live Application for a key logging software, during a virus scan.". Looks like a game of claim and counter-claim is on the cards. ® < 1301570404 863270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to Slashdot, they denied it, and then admitted it later < 1301570406 503250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANKS, REGISTER < 1301570414 200953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I DON'T SEE THAT ON THE REG ARTICLE < 1301570415 139714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUST BE FALSE < 1301570510 921418 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or they might have denied it a third time. < 1301570520 29533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Book Review: The Art of Computer Programming. Volume 4A: Combinatorial Algorithm" < 1301570529 430103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't have time for reviews! we have to convince knuth to release the next volumes! < 1301570539 381070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's 73 already, there is no time to waste! < 1301570545 686320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has to write them first < 1301570552 473069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HE HAS TO WRITE THEM FASTER < 1301570572 587868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has to write 4B, 4C, maybe 4D, and 5, 6 and 7 < 1301570578 670898 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some dude has "confirmed" it's a false-positive at http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/samsung-keylogger-is-a-gfi-vipre-antivirus-false-positive/12128 by creating a similarly named empty folder. < 1301570595 508949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know about you, but I think Knuth is remarkably optimistic about his life span. < 1301570601 159046 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still waiting for Knuth's book on compilers which he promise to write after TAOCP! :-( < 1301570609 42114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Keep dreaming :P < 1301570651 824423 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working on my Forth again today after going off on a tangent for a few days :-) < 1301570668 757088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :510 bytes! 510 bytes! < 1301570684 925171 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Volume 5: estimated to be ready in 2020. < 1301570694 424173 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not possible with 8086. Maybe with Z80. < 1301570712 912693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of prolific old people, I wonder how many hours of film Attenborough's documentaries total up to < 1301570740 136761 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And isn't the "book on compilers" in fact volume 7 of TAOCP? < 1301570860 201235 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1301571387 30277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "This laptop is in pretty poor condition. [...] It is in Great Condition." --eBay < 1301571427 569039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:560E there's one of these for sale, like a time machine! < 1301571453 50878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Boots up, XP loads, Microsoft Office loaded and working but still being sold For Parts and Not Working." < 1301571455 85684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhhhhh... < 1301571458 601422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO "not" < 1301571770 37097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wish gentoo did things like "support non-glibc libcs" and "support static linking the system" so that it wasn't a pointless waste of time < 1301571797 51163 :cheater-!~cheater@g231050097.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301571868 270803 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301571870 352171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1301571871 905973 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1301571943 601824 :cheater00!~cheater@e181134156.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301572348 547371 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301572533 598836 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301572595 790413 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.ucomics.com/comics/ga/1994/ga940408.gif < 1301572603 888433 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN WHICH JIM DAVIS FAILS AT ETHOLOGY < 1301572742 964152 :cheater99!~cheater@g230229075.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301572758 110285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M TRYING OUT ZSH AGAIN WHYYY < 1301572767 776561 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU CANNOT RESIST THE CRAZY < 1301572783 628864 :cheater-!~cheater@g231050097.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301572792 143929 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE ALLURE OF A SHELL IN WHICH A FULL HTTPD CAN BE WRITTEN WITH ONLY THE BUILTINS IS TOO GREAT < 1301572810 322081 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, *builtins and modules of crazy < 1301572855 842075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I set on the "scroll completions with arrow keys" thing and DO NOT WANT < 1301572872 690366 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT IT IS SO BEAUTIFUL < 1301572877 611055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO DISRUPTIVE < 1301572891 149869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, fuck, this machine needs a better name than elliott-MacBookAir. < 1301572896 191531 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I switched to zsh in a moment of madness and now I'm hooked.) < 1301572898 738845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's really really thin. < 1301572903 796283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not going to call my computer "anorexic".) < 1301572913 8816 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, call it Kate Moss. < 1301572919 479449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES YES VERY FUNNY < 1301572987 163447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: HOW MANY LINES DOES YOUR PROMPT HAVE < 1301573015 194770 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE ACTUAL DISPLAYED PROMPT OR THE FORMAT STRING? < 1301573102 610552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: FIRST < 1301573120 397081 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEPENDS ON THE DIRECTORY I'M IN < 1301573139 440776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1301573141 908086 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :My PS1 is "\u@\h:\w$ " -- I'm such a lame-o. (A long time ago I had a multi-line colored prompt with all kinds of djiggamajigs in it.) < 1301573155 372130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's BASH TALK, those escapes are. < 1301573161 210498 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT TAKES UP 2/3 OF THE LINE IF I'M IN Programs/PlanetoidMapGenerator, BUT THAT'S AN EXTREME CASE < 1301573162 628544 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, so's PS1. < 1301573166 699647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301573177 83055 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE'S LESS FREE SPACE, ACTUALLY, BUT THE CLOCK DISAPPEARS IF I OVERWRITE IT < 1301573187 773346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how tab at the start of a line in zsh inserts a literal tab rather than listing the directories to cd to. < 1301573196 431123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, yay, literal tabs! I enter them in the shell all the time! < 1301573218 521864 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tab on an empty line here: "Display all 5218 possibilities? (y or n)" < 1301573225 44396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, that's also so-useful. :p < 1301573252 609574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh has that nice thing where "cd foo bar" replaces foo with bar in the current path. I'm not quite sure what that's useful for, but it must be something. < 1301573269 293828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the "type a directory name to cd there"; that's undoubtedly nice. < 1301573274 763764 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, zsh allows mmap-on-shell-level. < 1301573284 603190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: WHAT KIND OF SHELL DOESN'T < 1301573284 972014 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you never know when you want to run akonadi_nepomuktag_resource, but have forgotten what letter it started iwth. < 1301573297 289719 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, does bash? < 1301573306 362807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :┌┌(elliott@elliott-MacBookAir)┌(85/pts/25)┌(01:08pm:03/31/11)┌- < 1301573306 380650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :└┌(%:~)┌- ~ < 1301573309 180767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prompt elite2: a mistake? < 1301573319 853286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus some people have bad taste. < 1301573335 299575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :█▓▒░elliott@elliott-MacBookAir░▒▓██▓▒░ Thu Mar 31 01:08:40pm < 1301573335 484142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/elliott> prompt ~ < 1301573341 81391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't see it, but there's a colour gradient there too. < 1301573354 876635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Thu 11/03/31 13:09 BST][pts/25][x86_64/linux-gnu/2.6.35-28-generic][4.3.10] < 1301573355 59442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1301573355 77352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh/2 93 % ~ < 1301573357 839567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW MUCH INFORMATION DO YOU NEED < 1301573366 20424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO YOU FORGET YOU'RE RUNNING A CERTAIN KERNEL VERSION EVERY PROMPT LINE < 1301573388 314129 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should put in disk space, CPU, network and memory usage. < 1301573481 746744 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Here, take this: http://twitpic.com/zxipd < 1301573491 337902 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, where'd you get this zshrc? < 1301573497 248730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: This is just < 1301573501 45997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :autoload -U prompt < 1301573502 528876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :promptinit < 1301573504 377603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prompt < 1301573505 800480 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1301573507 52765 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notice the "you're in a Mercurial repo" symbol. < 1301573511 319279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Holy fucklecakes. < 1301573545 616827 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly the guy works for Agda. < 1301573579 916479 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure why ± significes a Git repo. < 1301573728 395728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's a tree in nethack with decgraphics. < 1301573732 283015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :git repos are made of trees. < 1301573733 21247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed. < 1301573755 353544 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... guess that makes sense, somehow. < 1301573812 159866 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, me so slow: it's of course that ---/+++ git logo. < 1301573873 511035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of naturally. < 1301573891 736715 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I think it should then be ∓ and not ±. (And why does both "+-" and "-+" compose to ±? Okay, because the latter is in latin-1 and the other one is just some U+2213 nonsense, but still.) < 1301573894 540415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: WHAT COLOURS ARE YOUR PROMPT < 1301573912 876716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now I'm toying with a stylish bold blue for my path and bold black (i.e. dark grey) for my %. < 1301573920 114397 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :My leet-prompt used to have oodles of dark grey in-between the meaty parts. < 1301573923 131424 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I just used a zshrc I got off the internet after a cursory examination to make sure it wasn't going to kill me or anything. < 1301573934 138645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: This makes you a: bad. < 1301573944 447443 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making my own now. < 1301574213 527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1301574220 54166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My zsh prompt was "[username:path] %". < 1301574222 192241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :All in yellow, I believe. < 1301574254 825740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, I've no idea why zsh doesn't just make the prompt a function. < 1301574258 82115 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :[%! %F{blue}%n@%F{blue}%m %F{magenta}%30<...<%~ %F{red}%(?..!%?!)%f]%# --> PS1 :-\ < 1301574280 802804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: EXCUSE ME, THIS IS A TALK FOR ADULT ZSH USERS < 1301574283 509620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT BASHISTS < 1301574293 582973 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm - this is zsh < 1301574296 20963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :D < 1301574298 979049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always used PROMPT < 1301574314 993867 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: compatibility; there is a function that is run right before the prompt is set to change it < 1301574327 9688 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :also - I use PS1, because I also use PS2 and PS3 :-) < 1301574327 173421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compatibility, with that line, RIGHT :P < 1301574331 673138 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and RPS1) < 1301574338 953851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiple-line prompts are like killing babies. < 1301574342 680705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is an objective fact. < 1301574354 805568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TBH I dunno why I don't just install fish again :P < 1301574399 255341 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to patch zsh to correct to the longer instead of correcting to the equal < 1301574402 567355 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :or less < 1301574409 157555 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie I want lss -> less; not ls < 1301574509 466345 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301574533 507506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: that gives me lss16toppm here :-D < 1301574548 931262 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hehe. What is lss ? < 1301574556 263592 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: erm not tab complete - correction < 1301574560 60371 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :type lss < 1301574561 863495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DESCRIPTION < 1301574562 48844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : This manual page documents briefly the lss16toppm command. < 1301574562 66813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : The lss16toppm utility converts an LSS-16 image to a PPM image. < 1301574564 6209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even want to know < 1301574568 954512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: zsh: command not found: lss < 1301574570 142461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: huh < 1301574573 671688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: guess i didn't turn that on < 1301574584 250905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reruns compinstall < 1301574586 354155 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah. setopt correct < 1301574592 221424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that < 1301574611 78542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh: correct 'lss' to 'ss' [nyae]? < 1301574623 549269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's the "do it your fucking self" option :P < 1301574638 978039 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No command 'lss' found, did you mean: Command 'lsh' from package 'lsh-client' (universe) -- Command 'lsw' from package 'dwm-tools' (universe) -- Command 'lst' from package 'lustre-utils' (universe) -- Command 'less' from package 'less' (main) -- Command 'ls' from package 'coreutils' (main) -- Command 'lfs' from package 'lustre-utils' (universe) -- Command 'ass' from package 'irpas' (multiverse) -- Command 'lms' from package 'lms' (universe) -- Command 'les' fro < 1301574638 996223 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :m package 'atm-tools' (universe) -- Command 'lvs' from package 'lvm2' (main) -- Command 'lssu' from package 'nilfs2-tools' (universe) -- Command 'gss' from package 'libgss-dev' (universe) -- Command 'ss' from package 'iproute' (main) < 1301574639 416002 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you *don't* want that < 1301574659 596998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: name a command that will nuke my disk without asking first when invoked with no arguments :-P < 1301574703 172122 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :htkallas@pc112 ~% rn test.file < 1301574703 190301 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh: correct 'rn' to 'rm' [nyae]? < 1301574719 181359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nyae sounds like olde english. < 1301574753 575947 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you using suicide Linux? < 1301574765 637952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: That sounds like a fun distro. < 1301574779 282464 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have you heard of it before? < 1301574784 224782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1301574785 526751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1301574787 744499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1301574793 93776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sam Hughes. < 1301574812 202808 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you ever make a mistake when running it it runs rm -rf /* < 1301574814 55334 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1301574823 49007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I should make an empty zsh line do an ls < 1301574828 925712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can just whack enter < 1301574843 654134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if only I knew how :p < 1301574914 773068 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is not that hard < 1301574933 584227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but I'm also trying to figure out how to show some kind of white-on-red status code in RPROMPT if the last command exited non-zero :) < 1301574972 737155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1301574975 441058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do $() in them < 1301574983 663044 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in precmd() < 1301575002 821986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RPROMPT='$([ $? = 0 ] || echo "oh noes!!")' < 1301575003 43006 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :"$*" contains the command just run < 1301575003 457166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1301575010 518872 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I like the way you did /* there to allow for the fact that most version of rm need a special param to delete / itself (on the basis that doing so is never useful) < 1301575017 624471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, that shows literally. < 1301575027 492068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: not true, it's useful for ... uhhh < 1301575035 15473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"After that you’ll need to define the Zsh RPROMPT variable: < 1301575035 201045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RPROMPT='$(battery_charge)'" < 1301575036 957699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ this person lied to me < 1301575039 753176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it just has to be a function < 1301575041 184613 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: erm %(?..!%?!) does what you just did with $? < 1301575053 723037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PUSHING NEW BOUNDARIES IN LINE NOISE < 1301575073 562513 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this is #esoteric, you need a /lot/ of justification for a statement like that < 1301575084 690866 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: try precmd() { [[ -z "$@" ]] && ls } < 1301575122 662986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you do background? if %F is foreground < 1301575164 4702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i could google it :) < 1301575190 877788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could just use $bg[blah] i suppose < 1301575255 745047 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: its %K < 1301575263 415409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, thanks < 1301575283 432475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RPROMPT='%(%K{red}%F{white}%B%?%b%f)' < 1301575283 800992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's just nothingness :( < 1301575292 453082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that ? at the start is needed, but then it displays "K{red}" < 1301575321 192325 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for a white on read status code in propt < 1301575328 906882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: only if it's non-zero :) < 1301575337 439335 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah: I gave most of that to you < 1301575344 283382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i tried to adapt it :) < 1301575347 429523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to have stuffed it up though < 1301575358 572490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oo, now i got it close < 1301575377 149272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's only showing when zero :) hmm... < 1301575378 577408 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :%F{white}%K{red}%(?..!%?!) < 1301575434 727966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what /does/ that last bit do anyway, I can guess %? but the rest... < 1301575469 62005 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :%? is the status. !! are literals the .. IIRC says non-zero < 1301575485 166189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be nice if it was just replaced with lisp :) < 1301575498 848396 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points elliott to emacs < 1301575507 191572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: not a very good shell. < 1301575510 550614 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure some has written a complete-shell in emacs < 1301575514 39313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eshell < 1301575516 479057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not very good < 1301575520 11815 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix it? < 1301575521 108442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it also has coreutils-alikes) < 1301575529 320514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i prefer SOME modicum of posix compat :) < 1301575535 243692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not broken really < 1301575537 993626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just...naff < 1301575553 642670 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway, you can do "sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root /" if you ever find a reason to delete the root dir < 1301575563 246073 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the way that there is an option to do that if you really really want to < 1301575565 740720 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: not in FreeBSD < 1301575569 981164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: that doesn't work, you're a liar! i won't believe it until i can test it on your machine! < 1301575571 375853 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: that's in GNU rm < 1301575579 286612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: yes, if you run GNU rm on FreeBSD < 1301575608 272966 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, right - who else would do something so insanely stupid? < 1301575612 972333 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the BSD people's reasoning why special-casing rm -rf / was POSIX-compliant < 1301575623 297798 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: oh really? explain? < 1301575625 581913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: hey, i'm the only one allowed to complain about gnu here < 1301575630 585618 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know there was an excuse < 1301575635 663767 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that POSIX allows you to special-case rm on the current directory, and a recursive rm on / necessarily hits the current directory < 1301575638 956242 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus is allowed to be special-cased < 1301575656 94863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1301575659 974198 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: link? < 1301575665 736076 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I don't have one offhand < 1301575667 176363 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301575667 620392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by that logic, "rm -rf /usr" is disallowable if you're in /usr/local/ucb/vax < 1301575675 608120 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think it probably is < 1301575680 522586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ridiculous < 1301575697 27253 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what would happen to the current directory if it did work? < 1301575710 855791 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1301575732 296182 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: its easy. < 1301575744 652842 :cheater99!~cheater@g230229075.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301575761 514801 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: try mkdir a && cd a && rm -rf ../a && cd . < 1301575761 843542 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :on most systems that last command would fail < 1301575772 238986 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the directory would have been deleted < 1301575778 895097 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: haha < 1301575788 431022 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed the rm -rf would fail with "device busy" or something like that < 1301575810 540002 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is why daemons do a cd / as they daemonise, so you can delete the directory they were run from) < 1301575814 627916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I assumed the rm -rf would fail with "device busy" or something like that < 1301575817 778534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's windows thinking! < 1301575838 602854 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ISTR trying it before, but I forget exactly what happened < 1301575848 765582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, zsh is recording duplicate history lines < 1301575853 449566 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: remember on unix like systems the name and the data are different. On windows and other systems with file locking it won't let you do that < 1301575862 973780 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: setopt nohistdup < 1301575875 16186 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: or setopt ignoredups or setopt ignorealldups < 1301575880 222260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1301575882 259331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference? < 1301575884 104187 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I know, but you can't hardlink directories, so the problem doesn't come up < 1301575895 161250 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a; b; a is only ignored by the latter < 1301575901 919088 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :a; a; b by both < 1301575910 783028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301575969 50995 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: personally I don't expire all dups but I use hist_expire_dups_first < 1301575984 233728 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :also set setopt hist_reduce_blanks && setopt extended_history < 1301575989 225492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: it's more that i kept hitting the up key and it kept showing me the same crap < 1301575994 312560 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I'm a little surprised they ignore the b < 1301575994 949617 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1301575997 271487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually what i'd like is kind of a compromise: ignore repeated blocks of commands < 1301576009 52303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore "a; a", don't ignore "a; b; a", but ignore "a; b; a; b" < 1301576012 822961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's non-trivial to do < 1301576026 643229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :extended_history? < 1301576046 986643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/elliott/.zshrc:setopt:27: no such option: ignoredups < 1301576051 59441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess i'm on an old version < 1301576063 977397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no nohistdup either < 1301576069 772685 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: `: :;'. instead of just the command < 1301576071 396587 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what you do is you compress it with gzip, then set all the repeat counts to 1, then uncompress it again < 1301576077 625221 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wonder if that would actually work?) < 1301576079 344012 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry histignoredups < 1301576091 336791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: :D < 1301576100 458353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I'd like to try that on arbitrary data just to see the mayhem < 1301576105 419175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: do it to the gpl :) < 1301576118 92800 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: does gzip have any consistency checking? < 1301576121 596020 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have meant pkzip rather than gzip, you need to use the right compression algo for it to work < 1301576131 913014 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it may be one that doesn't actually exist < 1301576140 118193 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I'm not sure, but my guess is no as gzip is streamable < 1301576169 335800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean, what would happen to the current directory if it did work? <-- would become invalid. But as long as the rm command is run from elsewhere it won't complain iirc. If you show the path in $PS1 and cd up it can become a little strange though. I seem to remember stuff like "~/tmp/foo/bar/.. $" when I removed foo there. and then cd .. from inside the now missing bar < 1301576170 641763 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. with the right command-line options, you can do tail -F logfile | gzip --something | zcat and get output before the tail command finishes < 1301576199 983254 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh, I remember accidentally chmod a-rx .. or something along those lines < 1301576201 712274 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes rm tends to complain about removing iirc < 1301576204 853784 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it caused similar beahaviour < 1301576208 154327 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301576215 981430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, why hasn't gnome-terminal taken note of the chsh yet < 1301576222 135761 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a CRC32 at the end of a gzip stream, but of course you don't need to wait for that if you don't want/care. < 1301576230 292071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's hardcoded the shell < 1301576241 274579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, don't you need to re-login for chsh to take effect? < 1301576272 251747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hmm, are gnome sessions really tied to that? < 1301576284 234913 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I don't know < 1301576289 316947 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :%rm . < 1301576289 481032 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: "." and ".." may not be removed < 1301576292 583523 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps login sets an environment variable < 1301576300 191371 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I am ALWAYS set < 1301576300 846840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, that is just in rm itself iirc < 1301576306 470785 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, I know < 1301576310 616437 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is / < 1301576312 706408 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gnome-terminal looks at it < 1301576317 102141 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$SHELL would make sense < 1301576336 182596 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SHELL=/usr/bin/zsh gnome-terminal" starts a zsh. < 1301576354 966070 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, and I use a shell function wrapper for rm that catches stuff like rm -r * ~ < 1301576367 723316 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what specifically does it do? < 1301576378 853106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, sec. will pastebin it < 1301576383 778078 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have the shell do it < 1301576386 639205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if there's a way to tell the gnome session thingybob to change its environment vars :) < 1301576390 538469 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, http://sprunge.us/cYgL < 1301576404 57542 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: rm *; zsh: sure you want to delete all the files in /home/.../a [yn]? < 1301576412 13166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, right. I use bash < 1301576421 507868 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"rm is a function"? surely that would just delete ./is, ./a, ./function? < 1301576431 893245 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION smacks ais523_  < 1301576437 251228 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, that was the output from: type rm | sprunge < 1301576437 768662 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1301576438 71028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1301576441 796564 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: aha < 1301576448 604715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, swatting is far too mild < 1301576450 449242 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what is sprunge? and why not use type? < 1301576454 729477 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1301576454 924692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION brutally injures variable < 1301576462 798988 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :* only typ < 1301576463 219542 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're catching rm * via RMGUARD? < 1301576464 888037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sprunge is a nice pastebin. < 1301576467 501489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/ < 1301576469 358260 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-7-208.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301576474 836927 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, sprunge.us. And sprunge is http://sprunge.us/IWON :P < 1301576478 449894 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah. I use pastebinit (although that's broken now) < 1301576483 950967 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the trick of creating a file called -i, in the hope it comes first on the rm option line < 1301576490 587019 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not certain it does < 1301576498 54737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: bloat :) < 1301576498 546344 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I could just change.... injuring me doesn't work < 1301576501 821993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stgraber@castiana:~/data/code/pastebinit$ ./pastebinit -l < 1301576501 839837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supported pastebins: < 1301576501 839915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- sprunge.us < 1301576508 697718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pastebinit supports sprunge :P < 1301576517 83161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike many pastebins sprunge is very fast for me. pastebin.com often took multiple seconds to load < 1301576527 102924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for many other ones < 1301576550 412090 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/fixing-unix-linux-filenames.html < 1301576563 282052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how often Vorpal types rm -rf /home/arvid. < 1301576571 954479 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: 99% of shell scripts Do It Wrong < 1301576579 792745 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't. $HOME gets expanded in reading .bashrc I think < 1301576586 610962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, either that, or in printing it < 1301576590 283497 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I know, and I've written both shellscripts that do it wrong, and that do it right < 1301576604 735093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: pretty sure variable is referring to over-escaping as doing it wrong < 1301576606 61267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: i forget, does that article argue against spaces in filenames? or just newlines, dashes, etc.? < 1301576615 52272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the reason is, there is a risk of it getting expanded before it reaches the function. < 1301576615 559552 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what does it say about me that my home dir is /home/ais523, rather than using my own realname? < 1301576628 572168 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "$@" is normally correct if you're just trying to copy your command-line args to another program < 1301576633 245516 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doesn't overescape or underescape < 1301576633 435822 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it passively mentions spaces - but generally argues against leading dashes, newlines, control characters, etc < 1301576634 32262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and your home dir has less than three files? < 1301576634 428581 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1301576637 182054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so -I won't trigger? < 1301576644 31399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: it's always correct, it's sh magic < 1301576647 857479 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, err? no? < 1301576654 845494 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- sprunge.us ping statistics --- < 1301576655 7184 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 packets transmitted, 12 received, 0% packet loss, time 11011ms < 1301576655 25189 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 34.245/35.674/36.846/0.772 ms < 1301576657 223875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: then the guard is pointless! < 1301576659 880773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I will already stop you < 1301576667 699071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what? < 1301576670 361558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1301576674 801805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently Vorpal can't read his own function < 1301576684 96203 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: can you paste your config files? I like seeing other people's functions and such. Gives me ideas < 1301576699 410347 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cat ./* > ../collection # CORRECT" < 1301576700 197256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (he's trying to get your passwords) < 1301576707 385991 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: your link is wrong, that fails on filenames with embedded newlines < 1301576709 585970 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what are you talking about? the rm function looks fine to me < 1301576714 303154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: stop trolling < 1301576715 343284 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that the resulting collection file will have the wrong format < 1301576720 133810 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is that trolling? < 1301576724 318514 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: read through it all. He talks about embedded newlines < 1301576729 259886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: yes, because the article specifically argues against that < 1301576748 604819 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, I misread < 1301576751 144826 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :muddled cat and echo < 1301576758 703139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: do < 1301576758 888228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if [[ $arg == '~' ]] || [[ $arg == /home/arvid ]] || [[ $arg =~ RMGUARD ]]; then < 1301576758 906484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1301576759 75681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : command rm -I "$@" < 1301576765 448258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless your home dir has less than three files, this offers no extra protection < 1301576767 981199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as -I already kicks in < 1301576796 668143 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, true, but check what rm -I says in the question. It doesn't list what files. < 1301576802 14563 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus it offers protection < 1301576805 941107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH N03Z < 1301576833 668901 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301576838 878214 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I like the mention of displaying filenames potentially being a security vulnerability < 1301576846 816943 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "correct", but I consider that a terminal bug rather than a sh bug < 1301576852 884506 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as all sorts of other things can trigger it < 1301576870 797904 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: it isn't a terminal bug. The idea is that your displaying terminal control characters < 1301576875 590108 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider it a filesystem bug < 1301576887 502953 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: but the same thing can happen if, say, you cat your Apache logfiles < 1301576891 389212 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and someone put escape codes in the referrer < 1301576894 226094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys < 1301576897 189555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real bug is filesystems < 1301576898 495808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shells < 1301576900 163470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all of unix < 1301576904 51833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we stop debating now because i won >:D < 1301576909 827850 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that has nothing to do with filesystems or shells at all < 1301576910 709536 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: or a kernel bug. The system should *not* be allowing those chars in a filename < 1301576912 115230 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even UNIX < 1301576920 659179 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: it's nothing to do with filenames! < 1301576925 901136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: the need for quoting filenames in the first place, or the fact that this is even a thing that is being discussed, is Unix's fault < 1301576934 970070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore to continue talking about it you must justify Unix to me < 1301576936 526014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck < 1301576939 940925 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: read what I'm actually saying < 1301576940 91353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1301576943 653247 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not in fact talking about that < 1301576945 817067 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: if [ $RANDOM % 2 -eq 1 ]; then elliott == trolling; fi < 1301576959 736496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: wtf kind of command is elliott < 1301576974 479996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm only half-trolling, the fact that this is even an issue is stupid :) < 1301576985 144709 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: you made me look to see if "elliott" was almost an anagram of "trolling" then, but the closest I get is "ttollie", which is not that similar < 1301576994 140928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just call me toilet < 1301577010 771867 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: questionably. I have my own ideas about what should be designed if we were to Do It Over. But that can't happen < 1301577031 455350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm, you will run into a quoting problem as soon as you allow the shell argument separator char in filenames. So what do you suggest? Forbidding space and similar in filenames? Using another separator in the shell? (I completely agree that newlines shouldn't be allowed in filenames) < 1301577040 57293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: er - correct me if I'm wrong - < 1301577043 39529 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, apparently mandb gets permanently corrupted if you create a manpage for an executable called "oo, ick" (without the quotes) < 1301577047 371065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: but did you just say that Unix derivatives will rule the world forever? < 1301577054 673037 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301577074 762740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, just that specific string? Or any other with comma and space? < 1301577079 250351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the next few decades, but not forever. COBOL hasn't died but it's certainly fallen. < 1301577086 379317 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet many people would argue that that's a perfectly sensible filename; Windows users do that sort of thing all the time < 1301577089 410842 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no. I did say that I find it extremely unlikely that a complete departure from the current methods of doing things will take place < 1301577097 729779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: forever? < 1301577099 531959 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, that's the one it did crash on, in Debian < 1301577105 479137 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301577114 529328 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lead to an argument between "mandb is broken, you should fix it" and "CLC-INTERCAL is much less important than mandb, you should just rename it" < 1301577116 667793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I'm just making sure you have a good idea of how long the infinite stretch of time you're saying we'll go without innovation will be < 1301577125 751819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's an incredibly extraordinary claim < 1301577150 746981 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm hesitant to say so, but I would not be surprised if we never leave < 1301577151 74564 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott - innovation is not the issue AT ALL < 1301577160 232893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: I'm hesitant to say so, but I would not be surprised if we never leave < 1301577160 876271 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is compatibility and expense of switching < 1301577165 50777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure you just don't mean: in the next 50 years? < 1301577170 296509 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I expect UNIX derivatives to be used for as long as the concept makes sense, but I don't expect the concept to apply to non-obsolete technology forever < 1301577182 12875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, Basically they were claiming that mandb was a partial function? < 1301577184 948616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: let's say we don't go extinct and there's no singularity or anything and it's the year 3000 < 1301577187 594543 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ? < 1301577190 132038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think we'll still be using unix? < 1301577201 519148 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, maybe not right English word < 1301577203 206233 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles < 1301577230 363104 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: we will probably not be using unix. I would NOT be surprised if however there was some form of unix compatibility, or there are 'historical' filenames or whatnot. < 1301577246 786963 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes - this is 1000 years in the future < 1301577259 464094 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, basically, it was undefined for some values in the domain (the set of valid filenames on that particular system) < 1301577261 44823 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC Windows is /still/ compatible with CP/M, but that's only a few decades < 1301577264 937984 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or 2989 but meh) < 1301577270 91700 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ah < 1301577274 59868 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really see mandb as a function < 1301577280 17325 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not saying we won't switch away ever < 1301577298 969603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: so in the year 1011 < 1301577299 771944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301577301 570361 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm saying that inertia is kind of strong. Same reason we still have little endian computers :-) < 1301577304 806787 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301577316 14154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not thousand-year strong. unix isn't that strong. or important. < 1301577330 844782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1011 < 1301577340 295563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just making sure you understand the length of time involved here < 1301577371 552419 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I take back my claim. I never intended to defend it very strongly. < 1301577381 986547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not saying you should retract it < 1301577386 476976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just astonished that it was made < 1301577393 484057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and legitimately can't understand < 1301577394 62363 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was making a point about inertia < 1301577403 488204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1301577413 104987 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I hyperbolized too much < 1301577426 717861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at the same time, I think people saying that we're stuck with the systems we have is a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy < 1301577455 18416 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: on IRC I don't speak very precisely; also - I'm not saying we are *stuck* - however I think that *any* attempt to switch must have some kind of transition layer < 1301577468 522542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what seems to be happening in other fields -- e.g. programming languages -- is that existing "mainstream" languages pick up features from the academic fringe after a few decades ball-of-mud style < 1301577469 742235 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I see that layer lasting *much* longer than intended < 1301577480 226848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, even if making a new OS is pointless, it's still valuable < 1301577493 473159 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think x86 is unlikely to die for a long time. Sadly. Sure it will be extended, possibly to the point where it is hard to tell if it is still the same architecture. But unlikely to die soon. With soon here I'm talking about the next 10-15 years at least. < 1301577515 897616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 will be dead in 35 years. < 1301577517 771912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote me on that :) < 1301577538 586535 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Vorpal: if you were to have a chance to make *one* change (related to technology) what would it be? < 1301577544 222186 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, impossible to make any sort of well founded prediction that far ahead I think... < 1301577549 130306 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for this sort of thing < 1301577550 787772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: @ < 1301577567 604791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe you consider that too big to count as one change :)) < 1301577607 182046 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I would pick "little endian" -> "big endian" < 1301577613 365791 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the cause for endless suffering < 1301577629 386283 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :and large amounts of extra work (intel computer -> internet -> intel computer) < 1301577636 300058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on < 1301577638 336438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :endianness? < 1301577656 314487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i admit i'm not a networking guy, but come on... it's just swab() < 1301577664 668722 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, if related to computers: replace x86 with a saner architecture. Say something along the lines of PPC. If technology in general I would instead go for cars. Electric or other environmentally friendly technology to be used instead of the current fuels. < 1301577681 100320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the latter is already happening < 1301577683 651754 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I was thinking computer specific .... < 1301577684 251337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hi i'm a genie what is your wish" < 1301577686 842102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I want to get older" < 1301577692 28342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gosh! Well that's already happening." < 1301577692 332463 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes but not as fast as we need it to happen < 1301577694 171713 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it doesn't only affect networking < 1301577697 798082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ha ha ha < 1301577705 449886 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: databases need to worry about it, streaming formats, etc < 1301577718 489318 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also, it is confusing and a POLA violation < 1301577720 133185 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, then what I said about replacing x86 < 1301577732 720999 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :POLA? < 1301577734 541463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It is "too late" already, the planet cannot be magically saved by moderately cutting emissions at this late a date. < 1301577747 402142 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Policy of Least Astonishment < 1301577752 434975 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes. I assumed retroactive change. < 1301577755 691908 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't even cars that are mostly responsible for emissions anyway, IIRC < 1301577760 75322 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :planes and ships are a lot worse < 1301577766 777102 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and power generation from fossil fuels < 1301577779 20417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You'd have to go waaaaaaaaay back for it to do any good. < 1301577783 224933 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, one nice thing with little endian is that casting between, say, short and long, won't change the address. < 1301577787 741835 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed. < 1301577792 528124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway bioenegineering is pretty much a requirement at this point. < 1301577794 177031 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: moderately cutting emissions now increases the chance that we'll come across some amazing new technology that saves the planet < 1301577795 858281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not really a bad thing. < 1301577828 383551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: bioengineering is a perfectly practical and very promising solution, it's just not politically popular < 1301577837 318866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because "green" is far more marketable < 1301577841 488004 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what specifically do you mean by the word? < 1301577842 201758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :turn down your washing machines! save the planet! < 1301577847 20261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you too* can have warm fuzzies! < 1301577877 39267 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, even if saving energy doesn't save the planet from global warming, it still helps a lot in reducing the amount of land needed for power generation and transport < 1301577908 807198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: that's not exactly the biggest issue... < 1301577921 679061 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is away < 1301577930 455761 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you'd be surprised < 1301577947 420681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: well, no, not really :) < 1301577949 742982 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard enough finding places to put power stations without people getting angry and burning down the dovernment < 1301577956 901738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhh < 1301577960 806047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to assume you're being hyperbolic < 1301577999 149488 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*government < 1301578003 30422 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, 'twas just a typo < 1301578009 344429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I meant the burning down part. < 1301578043 429925 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of angry people going on demonstrations for no good reason around Birmingham at the moment < 1301578050 910680 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they aren't protesting against power generation in particular < 1301578062 627784 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, anyhing much in particular, except they generically don't like the government < 1301578068 120087 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They ARE burning down the Ministry of Doves though. < 1301578077 601649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: in fairness, the government is pretty crap < 1301578096 637656 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer it to the previous one, at least < 1301578107 665078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit of a lame comparison. < 1301578111 867884 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1301578138 265260 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm annoyed at a) all the students who seem to dislike increases in tuition fees without even seeing what the alternative proposal was (it's actually exactly the same as the original, apart from using different names) < 1301578154 517925 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and b) people who think the government should just spend money it doesn't have and not increase taxes < 1301578156 362222 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so people are already in a competitive bidding mood in the libc.so auction ... I'm beginning to feel it may be prudent to put down my max early to discourage them. < 1301578211 994501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: wrt tuition fees, it _was_ a direct contradiction of a promise made by the lib dems < 1301578222 21707 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed it was < 1301578233 568479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: which is a perfectly reasonable thing to be upset about. < 1301578233 851191 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the funny thing is, what the lib dems were proposing before hand was actually equivalent < 1301578239 884593 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so is what labour are proposing now < 1301578287 324476 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the difference between "pay money upfront, you get a loan for it, you pay a percentage of your income to pay off a loan", and "don't pay money while a student, but afterwards you're taxed a certain proportion of your income until you've paid a certain amount" < 1301578298 388836 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, tuition fees, no tuition fees, but actually no difference at all < 1301578311 402023 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everyone seems to have missed it < 1301578328 733088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: the pay money upfront bit is the relevant difference. < 1301578336 486557 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it isn't, because you get a loan for it < 1301578346 262879 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that in the second case, you're still effectively going into debt < 1301578351 459473 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the money isn't called a loan < 1301578372 223001 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual difference is that in the first case, if you can afford to you can pay without the loan, and save money in the long run that way; in the second case you can't < 1301578448 696339 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only the politicians had pointed this out, it could have saved a lot of trouble, but instead they were trying to use the distinction to score election points < 1301578473 543088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: counterpoint: EMA < 1301578488 96468 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as compared to? < 1301578507 316054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know why i said counterpoint there < 1301578508 981508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm tired. < 1301578586 226389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hey df does seem to have that sort of bookmark I was wondering about before < 1301578712 934100 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: df(1)? dwarf fortress? something else? < 1301578722 629627 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, dwarf fortress < 1301578769 366247 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: btw, how do you delete your RMGUARD files? rm ./RMGUARD? unlink RMGUARD? < 1301578782 210325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm --no-really RMGUARD < 1301578785 728969 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, command rm RMGUARD < 1301578788 585564 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :would work < 1301578794 426346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: alternate answer < 1301578803 524363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: he actually modified his fs to put fake RMGUARDs in every directory < 1301578806 860328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Windows does < 1301578809 697884 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlink(1) would work too, I think < 1301578819 498454 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, probably < 1301578825 751604 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or unlink(2), but that would require writing a program < 1301578834 759807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it wouldn't < 1301578835 316401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :c-repl < 1301578901 506452 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, I haven't been using the RMGUARD feature a lot though. I added it in, then used it in a few places. < 1301578942 458691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :most places where typoing rm *~ as rm * would risk happening, would already be under version control. < 1301578956 902323 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301578969 360733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, another obvious way is: mv RMGUARD foo; rm foo < 1301578993 621157 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, besides you will notice I used a regex match there. Without anchors. < 1301579005 138827 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I set Emacs to backup to a different directory < 1301579022 664284 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :partly so that rm *~ was something that I rarely actually wanted to type < 1301579028 176628 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reduces the chance of typing it incorrectly < 1301579031 770609 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, meh, I use many different editors. I don't think all supports that. Never seen such an option in kate for example < 1301579057 684263 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I use many different editors, I mostly use Emacs for important things < 1301579062 529208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I use both kate and emacs, (depends on what language), it would just be confusing if only one put the backups elsewhere < 1301579065 429950 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm going to go back to my office now < 1301579069 792782 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya < 1301579073 214423 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1301579521 204240 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301579780 565636 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301579975 230477 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, was at dentist. < 1301580016 338105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :UN < 1301580016 999532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR < 1301580017 926479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCKING < 1301580018 664865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GIVABLE < 1301580027 441970 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, I'm in my office, with my laptop next to me < 1301580029 820334 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT IT TURNS OUT MY TEETH ARE, LIKE, FINE < 1301580033 725200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: ALSO UNFORGIVABLE < 1301580038 353180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :APOLOGISE PLEASE < 1301580038 735257 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and connecting with my desktop because the wireless here is stupid < 1301580054 140109 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my work desktop, it's not "mine" < 1301580054 489206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bold black is a really terrible dark grey < 1301580112 136213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: try precmd() { [[ -z "$@" ]] && ls } < 1301580113 60549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for this btw < 1301580114 107184 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301580115 288383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just noticed it :D < 1301580137 628907 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, does that ls before every command that takes no arguments? < 1301580140 869560 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or have I misread that? < 1301580142 565234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't work, but < 1301580150 154390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: it should ls whenever you enter an empty command < 1301580157 391296 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1301580164 254226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can just whack enter to see a file listing < 1301580171 680286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to the useless default of doing nothing < 1301580180 538353 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the default of doing nothing isn't useless < 1301580188 176372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1301580190 953670 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very useful if the last command you end produced output that didn't end with a newline < 1301580196 509802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, eys < 1301580197 990959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yes < 1301580201 338071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in that case you can do ";" < 1301580202 267507 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you supposed to do in that situation otherwise? press control-C? < 1301580240 527391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: i don't think precmd gets the command < 1301580243 495073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it runs before the _prompt_ < 1301580259 717803 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301580315 925679 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, the page linked from proggit about about:blank is great < 1301580322 515463 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :explaining why it's so hard to render < 1301580342 56792 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(summary: most pages show about:blank until the rendering starts, you obviously can't do that with about:blank itself so you need special-casing) < 1301580369 186816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: yep < 1301580386 815590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hsivonen is a source of much wtfy info :) < 1301580408 689714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: one person in the comments said they didn't trust the author's opinions on rendering because, among other things, the markup was wrapped at 80 columns "for no reason" < 1301580415 898742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cried and then committed suicide < 1301580420 714186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but i got better) < 1301580431 111406 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301580450 86295 :cheater99!~cheater@g231048021.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301580453 872866 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an argument about wrapping code at 80 recently, although I can't remember why < 1301580464 460844 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said 80 was a nice width for fitting two programs side by side on a screen < 1301580475 261442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: oh, I don't inherently like it < 1301580485 738299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: but dismissing someone because they do it is unforgivable < 1301580488 144134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1301580536 874671 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301580677 327221 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, Slashdot's also decided that the Samsung keylogger thing is a false positive < 1301580741 716401 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Samsung keylogger thing? < 1301580768 425519 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bunch of media sites decided Samsung were installing keyloggers on new PCs < 1301580779 706686 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although most of them have since retracted the claims < 1301580788 115478 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was being vaguely sarcastic about it in #esoteric earlier < 1301580821 444910 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What grounds did they base this on? < 1301580834 395911 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an antivirus program found a folder with a particular name < 1301580837 856355 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and didn't check its contents < 1301580850 296585 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indicting. < 1301580917 606454 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUILTY UNTIL PROVED INNOCENT < 1301580938 356600 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who in their right mind goes from that to keylogging? < 1301580946 422549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: *proven < 1301580953 774773 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ZEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe < 1301580966 130661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Your letters, they are wrong. < 1301580977 54773 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You haven't proved that. < 1301580989 545411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Tell Gregor he's speaking the wrong language. < 1301581006 877558 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how do you know it's not everyone else who's speaking the wrong language? < 1301581013 714571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: because his language sucks < 1301581042 100150 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My language that has the past tense of "prove" consistent with nearly every other past tense verb in the language? :P < 1301581062 71774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :English: a consistent language. < 1301581075 506680 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My language sucks because it's more consistent than yours? < 1301581085 539140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consistent English is ugly English :P < 1301581098 350541 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, -en is used in several places, IIRC. < 1301581118 709045 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me several attempts to properly write a NetHack patch a while ago because of the distinction between "drawn" and "drew" < 1301581126 869339 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code assumed the same word would work in both contexts < 1301581132 950014 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Several, not nearly every. < 1301581161 698222 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike eated and beated, proved is a commonly-accepted alternative to proven. In fact my spelling dictionary doesn't like "proven" < 1301581182 682233 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, vaguely on-topic: how do non-Americans here pronounce "joust", as in "BF Joust"? < 1301581185 86571 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, any assumption that American English is "logical" is stupid. < 1301581208 604950 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the American pronunciation is almost certainly along the same lines as "route") < 1301581214 209141 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, "jowst"? < 1301581215 289705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I beated the shit out of your spelling. < 1301581236 779197 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I pronounce it more like "juiced", and a friend of mine said that that was ridiculous < 1301581237 294980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: djyooz't < 1301581248 315370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm lying < 1301581250 753551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"jowst" < 1301581257 111517 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ouch :( < 1301581266 119179 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, you're basically an AMERICAN < 1301581266 476091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1301581270 498867 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KILL YOURSELF NOW < 1301581276 474836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A convincing argument! < 1301581283 142801 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: don't you have it backwards? < 1301581290 344665 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, NO < 1301581292 51932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPA: /dÊ’aÊŠst/ SAMPA: /dZaUst/ < 1301581292 69868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rhymes: -aÊŠst < 1301581295 765703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--[[wikt:joust]] < 1301581295 962676 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to be the only person in the world, American or not, who doesn't use the American pronunciation < 1301581302 868030 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how does that make me American? < 1301581303 449614 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Root → rowt is not a trend. < 1301581303 467590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure that means we win. < 1301581312 539506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: THERE IS NO AMERICAN PRONUNCIATION THERE IS JUST THAT PRONUNCIATION < 1301581317 150653 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, *it's not the America pronunciation.* < 1301581325 359854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover can Actually Joust, I therefore name him the authority. < 1301581325 732683 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: so how is it pronounced in American? < 1301581328 51666 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*You're extrapolating from a single word.* < 1301581335 770795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: btw that doesn't work as precmd doesn't actually seem to get the last command in $@ < 1301581340 996540 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*American < 1301581384 477134 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, it's pronounced "jowst" in America as well, I should think. < 1301581394 610164 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well, indeed < 1301581396 388342 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They didn't just change all the pronunciations to annoy us. < 1301581399 5905 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus it's an American pronunciation < 1301581405 261995 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be a British pronunciation too < 1301581413 214527 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1301581425 39133 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's absurd to say something can't be pronounced a particular way in American English just because it's pronounced that way in British English < 1301581428 629531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: you should drop these things to avoid giving Phantom_Hoover a heart attack < 1301581617 988424 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a JOIN :#esoteric < 1301581904 812569 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a PART :#esoteric < 1301581917 283671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Maan, precmd. < 1301581956 355493 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bloody Chinese, flaunting their fancy IPv6 connections. < 1301581961 849836 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301582233 933628 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what's the zsh prompt-set command? < 1301582242 156854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wha? < 1301582254 748847 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301582257 844823 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing that lets you change the prompt. < 1301582277 373078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what? < 1301582297 763012 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFS, the thing you used. < 1301582303 350083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't use anything... < 1301582311 966883 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you set it, then? < 1301582339 970331 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301582339 988236 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1301582339 988367 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301582368 288494 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric : variable: btw that doesn't work as precmd doesn't actually seem to get the last command in $@ ---> I duno. I didn't try it. Try playing around with precmd and preexec < 1301582387 298768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I did; preexec executes for everything but the empty string. AFAICT precmd doesn't actually get the previous command :/ < 1301582411 936969 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does precmd execute on the empty string? < 1301582416 650568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1301582421 629803 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you could do is get preexec to set a flag, and precmd to check if it was set < 1301582428 185715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1301582432 344598 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then if you get precmd withotu a matching preexec, the null string must have been entered < 1301582522 633207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: works, horribly :) < 1301582528 372943 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-\ < 1301582529 115180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it needs a hack so that it doesn't ls on zsh startup < 1301582542 135356 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: zsh sets some flag on startup IIRC < 1301582545 518842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ < 1301582545 712667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : local executed=false < 1301582545 730678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : preexec() { executed=true } < 1301582545 730894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : precmd() { < 1301582545 731001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : $executed || l < 1301582546 615144 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie "rc files running" < 1301582548 683016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : executed=false < 1301582550 534268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1301582552 387640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1301582554 468564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 43,1 Bot < 1301582554 920999 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can you paste your config files? < 1301582556 321792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ lexical scoping! < 1301582558 769752 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you too < 1301582578 380111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: my config file is just a bunch added by the installer thing, plus a few aliases, prompt, and that, but ok :P < 1301582608 254428 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how did you set the prompt? < 1301582609 561165 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hehe ok. I try to get ideas from other people. I don't spend much time customizing most things - but I'm in my shell - a lot < 1301582613 575564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: PROMPT=... < 1301582623 607574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mentioned some shell thing... < 1301582623 771662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: http://sprunge.us/LAIQ < 1301582651 604402 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nicks elliott's prompt. < 1301582665 878378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: but this is likely to expand since i've just switched back to zsh :) < 1301582668 448519 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: [%! %F{blue}%n@%F{blue}%m %F{magenta}%30<...<%~ %F{red}%(?..!%?!)%f]%# --> try this one :-) < 1301582675 665422 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hehe ok < 1301582683 537194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(been using stock bash for god knows how long) < 1301582702 725704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh: correct 'Code' to 'od' [nyae]? < 1301582707 181840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think I like this autocorrect thing :D < 1301582722 12589 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you could use 'nocorrect' for certain commands < 1301582729 982771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, if I just initialise executed to true < 1301582730 713029 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :like alias mkdir='nocorrect mkdir' < 1301582730 730941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :voila < 1301582734 841750 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301582736 835751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :works on startup < 1301582747 368846 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should run the installer :-p < 1301582754 20117 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chatzilla crashed again :-( < 1301582754 392360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nice :) < 1301582762 732944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I should also write my own cd < 1301582765 697534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that it lses after that too < 1301582769 221996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably i should just have an ls pane :D < 1301582773 508437 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. There's some slightly crazy Corewar Fanfic here http://annesophiecc.tumblr.com/post/4190311225/v8-fb-corewar (in French) < 1301582799 228315 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why do you want blank == ls? < 1301582814 46955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: because I seem to ls a lot... even when my mind just blanks out for a bit :D < 1301582819 223668 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION Google translates < 1301582826 746316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly i ls a lot to get my bearings when navigating around < 1301582834 709306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i never deliberately just hit enter :P < 1301582869 431199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, seems like entering a dir as a cmd to auto-cd doesn't invoke cd command :/ < 1301582873 314191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for more postcmd hackery < 1301582879 430532 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You said you'd pay me to shut up about libc.so < 1301582885 413389 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVEN'T SHUT UP ABOUT IT < 1301582888 560874 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONSIDER PAYING :P < 1301582897 83997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I DEMAND TEN EMAILS < 1301582911 40017 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: $200 < 1301582916 259750 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what's libc.so? ;-) < 1301582916 409792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: NO DEAL < 1301582922 824819 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what is the auction up to? < 1301582927 398734 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: new domain < 1301582930 343547 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I'm trying to get the domain name libc.so. < 1301582935 419496 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: TOO BAD THEN < 1301582939 906731 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: a) the filename of the most important library on a typical Linux system; b) a domain name that Gregor's in the auction for < 1301582940 537360 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: $310 < 1301582944 431592 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: My $310 < 1301582946 708594 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION WANTS A GOOD DOMAIN NAME < 1301582957 913942 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he's trying to persuade people to donate money to help him buy it < 1301582961 714908 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants a good domain name. < 1301582962 472691 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, pfft, that's not the most important libraryl < 1301582982 864638 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what is? < 1301582988 451934 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: are you sure http://libc.so is worth $310? < 1301582989 589995 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You're arguing that libc isn't the most important library even though literally every other library and binary in a typical ELF Unix system depends on it? < 1301582993 478242 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: More. < 1301583006 278583 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Also, malloc@libc.so alone is worth $310 :P < 1301583008 128505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'll pay more if you get libc.a < 1301583012 256807 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what about that one that actually does dynamic linking? < 1301583014 989792 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: :-\ < 1301583017 496459 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.a isn't a TLD < 1301583025 10447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: create a country for the purpose, then < 1301583026 493216 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Doesn't have a consistent name across Unixen. < 1301583036 625795 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION WANTS A GOOD DOMAIN NAME < 1301583036 788896 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION WANTS A GOOD DOMAIN NAME < 1301583036 927863 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said Linux. < 1301583049 618323 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: HE said Linux. /I/ say Unix. < 1301583057 489029 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: you too <-- config files? That is rather unspecific... < 1301583068 211814 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way you're assuming I'm male < 1301583073 261439 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, and I was talking to HIM < 1301583074 31319 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ccTLDs are two letters, aren't they? < 1301583081 703473 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: your bash config files from above? < 1301583084 764472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: BAH < 1301583089 21302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* variable WANTS A GOOD DOMAIN NAME < 1301583090 499696 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: No, I'm assuming you're Alex Smith. < 1301583090 812604 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, yes, what with the fact that photos of you are on your damn Google results. < 1301583091 61500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variab.le < 1301583097 582468 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way you assumed I assumed. < 1301583104 381578 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I know you know I'm male < 1301583104 974391 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, ah. You mean the .bashrc. Right. < 1301583107 779677 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1301583109 266930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's just a really, really manly girl. < 1301583111 675861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a beard. < 1301583112 358109 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the assumption is still vaguely offensive < 1301583121 356457 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah < 1301583124 760012 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, searching for "alex smith" mostly doesn't find me, it's a very common name < 1301583126 333892 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Fuck off, English has no living neuter pronoun. < 1301583127 255218 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, the assumption from the *evidence*. < 1301583130 78469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: they < 1301583139 485644 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which *both me and Gregor know*. < 1301583147 647977 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: .le doesn't exist < 1301583153 728139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: THEN FIX THAT < 1301583155 757507 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/List_of_Internet_top-level_domains < 1301583160 366102 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFS, we *all* know about you winning that prize, and that plastered pictures of you *everywhere*. < 1301583162 121532 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BLEH I SAY :P < 1301583172 42756 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it plastered one picture of me everywhere < 1301583177 541349 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're going to be self-righteous, please at least make sure it's *justified*. < 1301583182 786675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: two! < 1301583192 576137 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, same applies to pedantry. < 1301583195 130717 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there are two different pictures of me plastered everywhere? < 1301583195 195248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was that ridiculous one in the guardian article < 1301583201 419669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ok, not plastered < 1301583204 126527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was ridiculous < 1301583205 65748 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, I forgot that one < 1301583208 972275 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree it was ridiculous < 1301583210 819835 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, nah, it is just the rm thing, loading ssh-agent data, and setting a PS1 basically. < 1301583223 413199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: please tell me you were intentionally doing your best "wtf is this" face < 1301583226 44033 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its annoying that programming .com .org .info .co.uk .us .co .in .eu .biz are all owned by domain squatters :-( < 1301583227 489497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and the sprunge command < 1301583237 974928 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Also you must be really really poor to think that $310 is so much money X-D < 1301583254 591990 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, he's a student, so... < 1301583258 357303 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, for reference, here is my PS1: '\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[01;34m\] \w \$\[\033[00m\] ' < 1301583261 509943 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the one on the Wolfram site was taken by a Wolframite who happened to be in Birmingham at the time and decided to meet with me; the newspaper one was taken by a journalist who went their deliberately and tried to find some technology-y thing, and I was in an EE department at the time, and they found a box of wire...) < 1301583261 965858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: .biz? < 1301583266 596387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: .biz is entirely squatters < 1301583279 707304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: HA HA THE EXPLOITED WORKING CLASS *MONOCLE* < 1301583281 192318 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be the purpose of a TLD that was entirely squatters? < 1301583287 379201 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, what's the point of squatting it? < 1301583288 292380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: ask whoever created .biz < 1301583293 501612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok not squatters < 1301583295 244168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but spammers and shit < 1301583298 771516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :viagra < 1301583300 752576 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that makes more sense < 1301583304 262657 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL that ais523_ and Gregor are both perfectly capable of being obnoxious. < 1301583311 382512 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might squat a domain in the hope that spammers buy it from you < 1301583326 18130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: what if you squatted a domain in the hopes that another squatter will buy it off you? < 1301583340 280352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: (this is also known as: the stock market) < 1301583340 433572 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: as for the "wtf is this" face, it was "intentional" in the sense that that was my thoughts at the time < 1301583348 892738 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's a bubble, clearly < 1301583355 349894 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: define:TIL < 1301583364 33024 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your opinion on the market valuing Apple higher than Microsoft? < 1301583368 680002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Tiaras Ingratiatingly Lessen < 1301583368 730130 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: today I learnt, mostly seen on Reddit < 1301583383 347517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: it probably means that apple are squatting a really good domain < 1301583387 482205 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: *learned elliott: PROBLEM? < 1301583392 866124 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: haha < 1301583394 931324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like say viagrac1alisbusinesspillz348usaedu.biz < 1301583396 230360 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: (That was really at elliott :P ) < 1301583399 398734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most trustworthy < 1301583424 225206 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Microsoft are squatting wingtiptoys.com and tailspintoys.com, surely those are worth something? < 1301583445 474800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : $executed && ([[ $here = $HOME ]] || [[ $last_directory = $here ]]) || { < 1301583446 969697 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They will be in the New World Order when shoes are toys. < 1301583448 635197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with this logic... < 1301583453 109156 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(instead of using example.com, example.net, etc., Microsoft actually maintain two domains for the purpose of using them as examples, presumably in an effort to violate standards for no good reason) < 1301583478 168351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: It's all part of their Evil Initiative. < 1301583482 679448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whose purpose is to be evil. < 1301583486 287174 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: wingtipshoes don't sound particularly useful < 1301583492 919852 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tailspinshoes sound very dizzy-inducing < 1301583502 437649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: ooh ooh ooh i should make preexec and precmd execute every element in a list of functions for extensibility! < 1301583502 806848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1301583506 188004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've started Zsh Thinking < 1301583511 839757 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301583518 849750 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: ... wing tip shoes are a kind of shoes. < 1301583525 866471 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: seriously? < 1301583526 979040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : but Microsoft are squatting wingtiptoys.com and tailspintoys.com, surely those are worth something? <-- wait what? < 1301583529 280431 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: erm - you could already do that < 1301583530 551931 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's their purpose? < 1301583534 776813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: yes! i know! < 1301583537 183397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: it would be magical! < 1301583537 653581 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: typeset -A precmd or something like that < 1301583538 534242 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, quick, implement zhhtpd and get it out of your system! < 1301583538 688475 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I'm sorry that the poor working class is unaware of wing tip shoes. < 1301583543 363037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: NO < 1301583545 697321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zch2 < 1301583550 329184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: *exploited < 1301583556 241168 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a zch1? < 1301583556 737179 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, thank you < 1301583560 943046 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I'm sorry that the poor exploited working class is unaware of wing tip shoes. < 1301583562 782813 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: $310 is several month's worth of transport < 1301583572 913004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transport to the COAL MINES < 1301583584 928308 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, you can't fit a bus in a coal mine < 1301583600 401815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not executed, or here isn't home and last directory isn't here, blah. < 1301583602 254720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1301583604 847741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to invert that < 1301583611 518562 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: It's also half a plane ticket to anywhere interesting, and about three weeks' meals. Your point? < 1301583616 819380 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : nah, you can't fit a bus in a coal mine <-- you can however in some iron mines. < 1301583618 955245 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301583624 133031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~(~p \/ q) = p /\ ~q < 1301583631 730545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :executed or not (here isn't home and last directory isn't here) < 1301583632 615822 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: would you rather eat for three weeks, or buy a domain name? < 1301583638 203978 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, probably not double deckers or articulated ones though < 1301583644 146846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :executed or (here is home or last directory isn't here) < 1301583647 296993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :executed or here is home or last directory isn't here < 1301583653 40684 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I have the money to eat for three weeks and buy hundreds of domain names and still be in the black. < 1301583655 78865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is here < 1301583656 370262 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, Gregor is OLD, remember? < 1301583663 824454 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely ais523_ is older than me :P < 1301583667 738291 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: then why are you asking for donations? < 1301583674 77250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...lolno < 1301583677 263248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_ is like 14. < 1301583682 470970 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1301583683 823677 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm 23, almost 24 < 1301583684 941228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FACTUAL FACTS FOR FACTICIANS) < 1301583689 847231 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's completely impossible to determine someone's age here. < 1301583699 333699 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: my age is a matter of public record < 1301583699 356496 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, assuming they're regular. < 1301583701 434212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. for instance, I'm 42. < 1301583708 845397 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, from their behaviour. < 1301583709 156846 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Because buying all these domain names would not put me in the red, but it would hurt a lot and not be good for lifelong finances :P < 1301583729 602474 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I've still got a budget to balance here. < 1301583734 512491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, this code never worked in the first place < 1301583749 510361 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Schrödinbug? < 1301583754 262380 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And besides, people are getting sweet email addresses for their donations :P < 1301583759 613857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it just turns out that the other broken code i had was triggering instead < 1301583763 322051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now i don't know why this isn't executing < 1301583771 459761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1301583778 497139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nm < 1301583794 132367 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: part of my issue is that it's sufficiently difficult to send money over the Internet that I don't even try < 1301583806 668222 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still owed $10 from a couple of internet-friends of mine, but haven't asked for it as I couldn't figure out how < 1301583827 817004 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I don't need donations from everyone, but I also don't need for you to be questioning the wisdom of my rather-silly-but-infinite-geek-cred purchase :P < 1301583862 983954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : $executed && ([[ $last_directory = $here ]] || [[ $here = $HOME ]]) || { < 1301583864 70168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YESS < 1301583876 185923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok let's try and remove that ugly nesting < 1301583892 918423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~~(p \/ q) = ~(~p /\ ~q) < 1301583900 649053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~(last directory != here && here = home) < 1301583902 316345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~(last directory != here && here != home) < 1301583902 874238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1301583903 798811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1301583912 17163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1301583913 765850 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you need the ~~ at all? < 1301583914 51537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just expands back < 1301583914 421139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1301583914 977655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301583916 275912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm dumb < 1301583920 1994 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you using a logic where it has a meaning? < 1301583932 924823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I just want to turn p /\ (q \/ r) into something flat with sh's precedence < 1301583937 6430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's ugly < 1301583954 649863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, the logic is broken < 1301583987 934279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!executed \/ (last directory != here /\ here != home) < 1301583991 639813 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upon examining the so-called Edible Arrangements paradox, economists worldwide have abandoned many of the ideas that have dominated economic thought since the time of Adam Smith, arguing that the forces of supply and demand are powerless to explain the company's 45-piece line of officially licensed NASCAR-themed fruit bouquets. < 1301584020 898805 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1301584039 793825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffff < 1301584046 665911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not executed, do this. < 1301584053 339737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :else if last directory is not here and here is not home, do the same. < 1301584062 192556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (not executed) or (last directory is not here and here is not home), do this. < 1301584065 792008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW HARD IS THIS, ZSH < 1301584551 498706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (! $executed) || ([[ $last_directory != $here ]] && [ $here != $HOME ]) < 1301584555 391983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: does this logic make sen. < 1301584557 55850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sense. < 1301584573 184818 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I'm not paying attention < 1301584600 792148 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: [[ has && < 1301584617 586268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Would be relevant if it was even triggering properly :P < 1301584641 368151 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :() are subshells, I'm not sure if that would matter there < 1301584649 218595 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301584653 91076 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anyone ever truly not paying attention, or just distributing it widely enough that the nonlinearity of succeeding at thinking makes it *seem* like they're not paying any attention at all < 1301584653 935758 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what's $executed < 1301584665 534263 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this has been bugging me for seconds < 1301584715 770096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ < 1301584715 788190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : local executed=true < 1301584715 788340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : local last_directory=$(pwd) < 1301584715 788446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : preexec() { executed=true } < 1301584715 788549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : precmd() { < 1301584716 324896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : local here=$(pwd) < 1301584718 178440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (! $executed) || ([[ $last_directory != $here ]] && [ $here != $HOME ]) < 1301584720 217182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : then < 1301584722 440691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ls < 1301584724 298051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : executed=false < 1301584726 150532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : last_directory=$here < 1301584728 188578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : fi < 1301584730 228837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1301584732 268761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1301584734 307430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Perhaps it does matter < 1301584742 486971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The intention is that entering a blank line causes a ls anywhere, and the directory changing to anywhere but $HOME causes an ls < 1301584750 583911 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Presumably because they're local, it matters? < 1301584753 388237 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I never use locals < 1301584755 190194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably < 1301584764 482791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does [[ have ( too :P < 1301584784 926427 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :test does, so I'd imagine [[ does < 1301584801 386965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/elliott/.zshrc:44: parse error near `)' < 1301585154 465062 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.459 blocks used by APNIC during March. < 1301585259 870488 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I just updated [[BF Joust strategies]] with slowpoke < 1301585270 564767 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the description is much, much shorter than that of waterfall3, as it's a much simpler program < 1301585316 209876 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Eventually I will get around to DEFEATING YOU < 1301585318 306004 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Eventually) < 1301585354 113220 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301585402 761183 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, I seriously hope slowpoke is defeatable, and by a rather different style of program < 1301585407 106356 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as we'll have to change the rules if it isn't < 1301585413 49492 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been on top of the leaderboard long enough < 1301585450 377060 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Nobody's really bothered though. < 1301585462 934207 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are bothered periodically < 1301585471 255639 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't want an invincible program to repel everyone next time < 1301585472 674126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!BFJOUST PERIODICALLY >>>>DIE SLOWPOKE((%(% < 1301585485 704775 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, my next project will be trying to beat slowpoke with a defence program < 1301585492 608401 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't specialcased just against it < 1301585495 521024 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the hope that it's possible < 1301585517 970690 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fear it's impossible to completely defeat timer clears with defence, but you could slow them down quite a lot < 1301585560 37635 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow_rumble >+++((+)*128(-)*128)*10000 < 1301585573 669241 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523__slow_rumble: 3.8 < 1301585574 217426 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that'll do well, but I want to see how it fails < 1301585605 773235 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beh, beating tripwire avoiders, drawing to defence, nicely inevitable < 1301585670 652871 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah, http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/breakdown.txt is a lot more promising, thoguh < 1301585672 102005 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*though < 1301585675 381911 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at all those draws < 1301585686 359240 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :New depletion estimate: Wednesday April 13th < 1301585732 224918 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I do it on my flag? < 1301585754 878661 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow_rumble +++((-)*128(+)*128)*10000 < 1301585759 26207 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523__slow_rumble: 11.8 < 1301585782 147179 :cheater00!~cheater@g231049215.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301585787 415428 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather worse < 1301585806 982993 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is weird < 1301585813 333007 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow_rumble ((-)*128(+)*128)*10000 < 1301585818 244766 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523__slow_rumble: 12.3 < 1301585891 457646 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.229.4 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301585910 546584 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow_rumble >+++++<((-)*128(+)*128)*10000 < 1301585915 497967 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523__slow_rumble: 13.0 < 1301585929 806077 :cheater99!~cheater@g231048021.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301586081 366165 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow_rumble >+[]<((-)*128(+)*128)*10000 < 1301586086 483764 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523__slow_rumble: 8.0 < 1301586121 955653 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow_rumble >+<(-)*125>[]<((-)*128(+)*128)*10000 < 1301586127 129876 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523__slow_rumble: 11.3 < 1301586162 639950 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow_rumble >+>+++++<<(-)*125>[]<((-)*128(+)*128)*10000 < 1301586167 619586 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523__slow_rumble: 16.1 < 1301586170 233047 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301586338 651755 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow_rumble >+>+++++<<(-)*125>[]<((+)*120(.)*16(-)*120(.)*16)*10000 < 1301586341 672299 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523__slow_rumble: 13.7 < 1301586444 666951 :ais523__!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301586515 215007 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301586599 671686 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301586851 804264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523__: ridiculous fact of the week: screen is a program that compiles vt100 (and more) codes to vt100 codes < 1301586859 762376 :ais523__!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, it is < 1301586867 396462 :ais523__!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 NICK :ais523_ < 1301586870 513449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's literally a terminal emulator that only has a terminal output, which is just hilarious) < 1301586879 743154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-a < 1301586903 204949 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet every time I say it would be nice to have a graphical frontend for screen, people say "durp you mean konsole lololol" < 1301586933 920041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, yeah, they're fairly correct :P < 1301586934 732452 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. how is it hilarious? < 1301586950 933742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that screen isn't all that special, it just happens to be the most full-featured terminal as far as organisation goes < 1301586955 809546 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The point is if it was a graphical frontend for screen, I could DETACH IT, leave, then screen -r from SSH < 1301586963 583233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: "I wrote a Python compiler. It takes a Python program and outputs the same Python program" < 1301586964 882508 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why people don't get that that's the whole fucking benefit of screen is beyond me. < 1301586965 989864 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC up 0.03: 512+3x256 to Australia, 3x128k+64k+2x256 to China, 256+/48+/32 to Hong Kong, 128k+32k to India, 1k to Philippines. < 1301586972 511335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But it goes through an AST in-between, and does all kinds of analysis on it" < 1301586976 461504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Then spits out the original AST" < 1301586981 964890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: dtach :P < 1301586986 613246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But yah. < 1301586989 353377 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, APNIC released resevations on reseved blocks. < 1301587022 720851 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah, you're damn right the GUI would basically be like konsole. Except then, you could actually get to your consoles without friggin' VNC < 1301587025 133767 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rage* < 1301587030 695127 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMN YOU LIBC.SO RAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE < 1301587062 406983 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use screen locally...why would you need vnc to use it. i am tres confused by gregor's complaints < 1301587095 898924 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i am confused why people think the ability to detach terminal sessions from terminals is the only purpose of screen < 1301587096 725037 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: What I want is a graphical frontend for screen. Just something a little bit nicer than running screen in xterm, that can show me which screens are open in a tab-like layout etc. < 1301587114 578917 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: To me, having multiple screens and being able to detach are of equal benefit. < 1301587133 303073 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that'd be alright i guess < 1301587153 610329 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet it doesn't exist? Why? Because if you mention the possibility, people say "lol just use konsole durp" < 1301587183 694320 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: what were they reserved for? emergencies? < 1301587186 896411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also because that's work. < 1301587188 729759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: ipv6 transition < 1301587197 365310 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine a trivial modification to konsole would be exactly what you want though < 1301587198 259001 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and were they used for that purpose? < 1301587203 896139 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just to delay ipv4 meltdown another few days? < 1301587265 616955 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Trivial except it has to speak the screen protocol :P < 1301587284 884424 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: trivial < 1301587285 840919 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think those blocks were considered too polluted before or something like that. < 1301587384 140820 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301587384 201004 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1301587384 201136 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301587616 867318 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1301587723 273663 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust consistency http://sprunge.us/JJcX. < 1301587727 561954 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523__consistency: 4.2 < 1301587729 100609 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, I didn't mean the . < 1301587731 837923 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust consistency http://sprunge.us/JJcX < 1301587735 118759 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523__consistency: 0.0 < 1301587742 59928 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0 < 1301587750 343604 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error: maximum [] nesting depth exceeded < 1301587763 224076 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1301587768 650219 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that program doesn't abbreviate using {} < 1301587776 811725 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me shorten it a bit in the hope that helps < 1301587784 971135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1301587787 520286 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what is the maximum depth?) < 1301587788 541992 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody hasn't heard of the ZOI rule < 1301587804 518506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Somebody hasn't done dynamic memory allocation in C < 1301587815 628907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though, wtf, that's only like hundreds of nestings :) < 1301587822 536953 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they should learn how to do it then < 1301587823 326790 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2000, exactly < 1301587825 328060 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the limit? < 1301587840 657657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I was referring to you < 1301587843 250891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I is a: pain < 1301587844 567154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*It < 1301587848 295935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I is a pain, too.) < 1301587851 616344 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know, I turned it around on you < 1301587860 734963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: But then I pedanticed you because fuck lsdkf < 1301587863 196317 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't find it much of a pain < 1301587883 384918 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust http://sprunge.us/ghaP < 1301587884 169851 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1301587890 679203 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust consistency http://sprunge.us/ghaP < 1301587894 225920 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523__consistency: 0.0 < 1301587904 123096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i wonder if spending the money on hardware to mine bitcoins pays off :) < 1301587911 556419 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blecch, that's 999 nestings < 1301587925 432151 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie! what's the [] nesting limit in your BF Joust interps? < 1301587927 764821 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Just use {}? < 1301587938 267077 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or can you not < 1301587940 482571 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: if you can think of a way to condense that using {}, I'd like to hear it < 1301587957 784605 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, you have a different (.) count each time < 1301587962 700989 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1301587969 207298 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the whole point < 1301587984 163935 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I just didn't really look at the program before < 1301588019 786256 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: #define MAXNEST 256 < 1301588027 769904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: honestly, we should really just embed some TC-if-not-for-limited-steps language into the bf joust interps < 1301588033 589713 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :256 (insert interrobang here) < 1301588040 184526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we don't have to say "i couldn't use the macro because ..." < 1301588042 827751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, lol wut 256 < 1301588050 216833 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :⸘ < 1301588051 787684 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not even enough to count how long a two-cycle clear takes < 1301588052 360893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used the max cycle count :) < 1301588053 810968 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :‽ < 1301588069 571078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's what you get for shoddy second-class joust software!!!!!! < 1301588085 921236 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: man 3 malloc < 1301588095 312517 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm vaguely in favour of limiting the maximum [] nesting depth, but it should count depth post-%-expansion, not pre- < 1301588107 98092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: *man 3 1000000 < 1301588110 71107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whatever cycle max is < 1301588128 502937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, so you should allocate something that big with malloc, but it shouldn't need reallocing afterwards.) < 1301588137 115045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Since such a program would hit the cycle limit.) < 1301588151 383903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: not a fan of my embed-a-tc-language idea? < 1301588152 867713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1301588176 741854 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it'd make it too easy to put a PRNG in there and pretty much defeat defence forever and ultimately < 1301588193 879367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: err, no outside input < 1301588198 697062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'd be a prng with a fixed seed < 1301588208 333164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: it'd not be anything you couldn't preprocess manually before submitting < 1301588226 805183 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even a fixed-seed PRNG would be enough < 1301588231 635546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if the language was made esoteric enough, a prng could be a massive achievement :) < 1301588235 337163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: then you can do that today < 1301588238 302502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by doing it manually < 1301588248 907582 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except you can't, because it doesn't abbreviate < 1301588265 457689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i wonder if some govts will try cracking down on bitcoin < 1301588269 964954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: does it need to? < 1301588271 495906 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, I put the paren in the wrong place < 1301588279 53207 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes if you want it to not be terabytes long < 1301588288 323691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: well, ok < 1301588317 284365 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was working on a macro preprocessor for bfj before the break...lemme see how much free time i have... < 1301588333 804291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In February 2011, the coverage at Slashdot and the subsequent Slashdot effect affected the value of the bitcoin" < 1301588336 583404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray! < 1301588345 850998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are finally in a world where slashdot can affect the value of the money in your pocket < 1301588349 555121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your... virtual pocket < 1301588355 716064 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drove it down, or up? < 1301588362 945721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't say < 1301588364 526020 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't see why people consider bitcoins valuable at all < 1301588368 133986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does have this gem: [16][17][citation needed] < 1301588371 489121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: because they're scarce < 1301588382 89742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: why do you consider $insert_fiat_currency_here valuable? < 1301588382 477332 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? that doesn't make them useful in any way < 1301588385 795408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's scarce < 1301588395 997224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: ok, can i have $1mil? < 1301588398 403660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously it's not valuable < 1301588401 334272 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fiat currencies are only valuable as long as you can redeem them for something < 1301588408 488259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: you can redeem bitcoins for real-world cash < 1301588412 935471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and physical goods are sold in it < 1301588414 725554 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and that makes no sense < 1301588422 802987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...this is a circular argument < 1301588428 918862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's valuable because it's scarce. < 1301588455 111469 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, that's a circular argument < 1301588456 796015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's valuable because there's a market using it. < 1301588463 301280 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole idea of fiat currencies are based on circular arguments < 1301588469 429618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: no, they're not < 1301588473 731185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're based on fiat < 1301588475 679041 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, if sufficiently many other people believe something's valuable, it's valuable for that reason < 1301588482 687647 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the only reason fiat currencies work < 1301588494 337631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... it's not irrational to believe in the value of a fiat currency < 1301588535 940022 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah: http://sprunge.us/gZaC < 1301588548 787918 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's successfully locking slowpoke, at least on some tape lengths < 1301588561 349158 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whoa < 1301588567 834400 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1301588609 409519 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks to be tape length 13 and up, both polarities < 1301588624 563763 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I replaced the (.)*224 with a full-tape clear, it'd probably a) win, and b) be megabytes long < 1301588652 768155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301588753 480393 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but an inline clear wouldn't work in that context < 1301588933 248365 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301589066 640480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301589199 2599 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott (in case you missed it): whoa: http://sprunge.us/gZaC I think it's successfully locking slowpoke, at least on some tape lengths < 1301589203 986738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw < 1301589209 314664 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so looks like slowpoke is defendable after all < 1301589344 338545 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301589452 772186 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall have to find a Pokémon that's good at beating Slowpoke and name the final program after that < 1301589475 231687 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's slowpoke? < 1301589480 323695 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a BF Joust program < 1301589486 880334 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the name of a Pokémon < 1301589497 978104 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's current king of the hill? < 1301589498 572110 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust_strategies#2011 < 1301589501 875151 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and indeed < 1301589575 870973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pokemon good at beating slowpoke < 1301589576 610491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka < 1301589578 280293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :any pokemon < 1301589601 149800 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd be surprised < 1301589606 202985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I demand you find a program that manages to win by doing absolutely nothing, and call it magikarp < 1301589615 838305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or close to absolutely nothing) < 1301589622 159778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It can, say, splash around a bit) < 1301589629 231459 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-7-208.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301589637 508538 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magikarp @ Focus Sash = Swift Swim: Splash / Tackle / Flail / Bounce < 1301589643 338000 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :best Magikarp build in existence < 1301589654 764942 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's not a lot Magikarp can do, so finding the perfect build for it was really easy) < 1301589660 137615 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-7-208.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301589691 919189 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, there's at least one video on YouTube of someone sweeping an entire enemy Ubers team with that Magikarp build, although he had to try against hundreds of opponents before he found one that fell for it) < 1301589762 217123 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, defend10 was a 2011 program? time goes by so quickly < 1301589788 852797 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? is it 2012 already? < 1301589792 154659 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was 2011 < 1301589832 215047 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is 2011 < 1301589835 187502 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I'm so shocked < 1301589840 943760 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was earlier this year, and yet it seems like aeons ago < 1301589869 712336 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :idgi, if it seems like aeons ago, hasn't time moved slowly? < 1301589876 779690 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's what people usually mean < 1301589909 673290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :time moves quickly to allow lots of things to happen in it < 1301589912 639792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iguess is ais523_'s meaning < 1301589937 985383 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1301589969 482954 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301589990 310142 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes i'm sure "time goes quickly" can be interpreted both ways < 1301589995 616313 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i've never heard it used in that meaning < 1301589998 951907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it in the games with those trainers < 1301590002 708679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who only ever have magikarp with only splash < 1301590008 106538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they insist on battling you to the death < 1301590016 225520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of sick pleasure do they get out of that < 1301590060 695377 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's the magikarp who's getting pleasure < 1301590078 70009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey it's world backup day, ill ceberate by not backuping < 1301590127 811946 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301590147 702636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool, tomorrow is internet jackass day, but I'll be sleeping < 1301590153 646889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when all the stupid is stupiding < 1301590155 269215 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301590170 605899 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an internet jackass day? < 1301590175 203611 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like fun < 1301590175 534610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is tomorrow < 1301590177 752184 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have three things planned for it < 1301590180 205869 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll o from morning till dawn < 1301590181 124395 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is a C-INTERCAL release < 1301590187 590631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: omg please do < 1301590188 702209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1301590191 332385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning till dawn :D < 1301590196 767736 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: write a script to do that < 1301590197 969373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all negative hours of it < 1301590201 914827 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, that's a completely valid time period < 1301590202 213049 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301590202 608646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: call it optbot < 1301590212 447300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: SO WHAT ARE THE OTHER TWO THINGS DON'T LEAVE US HANGING < 1301590217 101096 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would never flood by script < 1301590233 453167 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: at least one of the other two is a secret < 1301590237 8623 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other one isn't finished yet < 1301590237 761962 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590241 755814 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590241 918628 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590242 248425 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590242 415748 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590242 576200 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590242 760271 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590242 908119 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590243 463335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: you're so boring. < 1301590243 731853 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590243 749716 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590244 574604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590244 759759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590244 883847 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590244 960498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590245 132718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590245 150698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590248 101967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590250 137339 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590250 155380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590250 464720 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590251 123016 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1301590251 968535 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko < 1301590252 180764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590252 764579 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1301590253 750202 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko < 1301590254 407276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590254 898418 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko < 1301590256 211919 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko < 1301590256 260676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590257 689420 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko < 1301590258 113007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590259 502082 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokoko < 1301590260 524631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590261 971795 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokoko < 1301590262 379456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590264 591990 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590264 610152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590266 272879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590267 877903 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590268 312096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590269 26410 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590270 170090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590270 307758 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590270 503346 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590270 832287 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590271 487667 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1301590272 188314 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590272 311190 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko < 1301590272 578282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590273 129231 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1301590273 717076 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko < 1301590274 414135 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1301590274 433073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590275 69626 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590275 233203 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590276 217593 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590277 307043 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590278 343132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590279 200128 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590280 382290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590281 282430 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590281 663317 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590282 156644 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590282 258051 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1301590282 418960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590283 798287 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1301590284 458554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590284 618994 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko < 1301590285 441745 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1301590285 984945 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko < 1301590286 442553 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko < 1301590286 498396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590287 588778 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko < 1301590288 352497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590289 889437 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko < 1301590290 206955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590291 440996 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko < 1301590292 245755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590293 283254 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokoko < 1301590294 286952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590294 845688 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o I have to be going now < 1301590295 216324 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokoko < 1301590296 325270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590298 550545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590299 751665 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doesn't < 1301590300 221164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590301 393849 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't < 1301590301 414939 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1301590302 263182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590304 300863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590308 386312 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:elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590378 419869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooo < 1301590380 458748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love our liberal attitude towards spam < 1301590382 493092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko < 1301590384 347686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590386 384285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1301590388 196313 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590388 422732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1301590388 852892 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590389 841021 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590390 275432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko < 1301590391 396282 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590392 54967 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590392 500049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko < 1301590392 711431 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590393 535106 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590394 349745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1301590395 995936 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1301590396 983966 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1301590398 350386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1301590398 935711 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1301590400 383723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko < 1301590402 291187 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1301590402 420853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG 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:oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko < 1301590472 80631 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko < 1301590473 720727 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko < 1301590475 692513 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokoko < 1301590476 527028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301590477 510181 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokoko < 1301590481 418033 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1301590488 444271 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate swedes < 1301590493 118950 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590493 937800 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590494 437108 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1301590495 260199 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko < 1301590495 442949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1301590496 257218 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1301590496 554147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate swedes < 1301590496 750232 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301590497 493076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck them < 1301590504 95884 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate toilets < 1301590506 885234 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590507 378203 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590508 91020 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1301590508 912964 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko < 1301590509 734542 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1301590510 720014 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko < 1301590511 842237 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko < 1301590513 156778 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko < 1301590514 798763 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko < 1301590515 129824 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate humans < 1301590516 779346 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokoko < 1301590518 103452 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1301590531 685585 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590532 998210 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590533 16375 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1301590533 685890 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko < 1301590534 581860 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1301590536 61021 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko < 1301590537 45692 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko < 1301590538 560013 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko < 1301590540 117126 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko < 1301590541 58497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, won't interrupt you again < 1301590541 714345 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokoko < 1301590543 32972 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(after this) < 1301590545 833635 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, thanks < 1301590546 489674 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590546 982229 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okok < 1301590548 673747 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1301590554 459635 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590554 787800 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590555 444690 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1301590556 440320 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko < 1301590557 362447 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1301590558 357232 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko < 1301590559 486924 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko < 1301590561 14662 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko < 1301590562 742664 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko < 1301590564 384048 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokoko < 1301590566 192444 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokoko < 1301590567 503328 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301590569 827025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokoko < 1301590694 916958 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/10-best-alternative-operating-systems-934484 < 1301590700 841411 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god this is hilarious. < 1301590710 970475 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It lists HURD as the first thing. < 1301590716 172694 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all downhill from there. < 1301590740 953999 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatives to windows? < 1301590757 589681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatives to love < 1301590805 273476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: lol dexos, that guy is/was on the osdev forum < 1301590809 171971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :biggest moron ever < 1301590816 614433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hey it has inferno on it < 1301590818 106022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can't hate it < 1301590821 70850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cuz inferno is the sex < 1301590838 655446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how they illustrate openbsd with the pig-ugly default fvwm though < 1301590842 209725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO SECURE UGLINESS IS MANDATED < 1301590848 604398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg furry amiga os!! < 1301590852 179328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey will be so happy < 1301590859 588431 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furry? < 1301590863 897924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see mascot < 1301590870 225341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://aros.sourceforge.net/images/kittymascot.png < 1301590875 966885 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1301590897 136926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :6. LoseThos supports multicore. < 1301590900 730524 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD I DID NOT WANT TO SEE THAt < 1301590905 476563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. How could you not list LoseThos? Google search "64-bit operating system" and what's the first altewrnative OS you see? < 1301590905 494552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read more: http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/10-best-alternative-operating-systems-934484#ixzz1ICJ6yWRE < 1301591053 952642 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301591058 679605 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm guessing Inferno implements some subset of @. < 1301591066 500993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's VM Plan 9. < 1301591072 71187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literally based on Plan 9. < 1301591088 283370 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the namespace thing? < 1301591311 998890 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301591431 987917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1301592444 515555 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301592463 639193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301592691 318334 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No mention of Menuet http://www.menuetos.net ? < 1301592721 554666 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) Redistribution, reverse engineering, disassembly or decompilation < 1301592721 741846 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : prohibited without permission from the copyright holders. < 1301592722 484153 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAIL < 1301592729 191902 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Retro OS looked interesting, but it's dead :-( < 1301592837 792471 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course Itsy-OS is probably the best OS ever, but I have a slight bias ;-) < 1301592854 73831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plz 2 be making post about @ so it becomes the internet famouses < 1301592886 431708 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It has to be at least a LITTLE BIT existent first :P < 1301592895 866742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've written SEVERAL bootloaders < 1301592915 550881 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes up and down his checklist of necessary components, then shakes his head. < 1301592921 352657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. bootloader < 1301592922 758120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. everything else < 1301592924 171822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm half done < 1301592946 34587 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITYM: < 1301592949 196682 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. Bootloader < 1301592951 608211 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. Second bootloader < 1301592954 763141 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. Everything else < 1301592957 954935 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're 2/3rds done < 1301592958 442213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. Third bootloader < 1301592961 657130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4. Fourth bootloader < 1301592964 810234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :5. Sixth bootloader < 1301592968 16923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :6. Code to jump to first bootloader < 1301592978 606174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I like how I skipped the fifth by accident < 1301592989 493571 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just not part of @ < 1301592993 576267 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has to be written for other reasons. < 1301592997 120462 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :7. ... < 1301592999 151042 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :8. PROFIT < 1301593018 330934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ has totally eliminated the antiquated notion of a fifth bootloader by replacing it with orthogonal hookers. < 1301593031 168965 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW < 1301593149 148904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: btw why does itsy-os even have a memory allocator :D < 1301593262 872026 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I need to work on my stupid physics thing now. < 1301593323 677613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is aptitude so slow nowadays X_X < 1301593347 704821 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I just thought it belongs in the kernel. It'll have process management and ipc soon. Then I'll work on the Forth again :-) < 1301593378 50608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: All a kernel needs is something to load some bytes from a disk and jump to them, plus a keyboard interrupt! :-P < 1301593385 371494 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll port it to the MSP430 as soon as my free devboard arrives < 1301593402 649707 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why does it need a keyboard interrupt? < 1301593404 897357 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301593407 702702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: C:\> < 1301593425 24055 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That COULD be implemented by whatever your default init/shell/whatever program is. < 1301593442 741561 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: All it needs is to be able to load that program :P < 1301593451 466767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's true... but then it'd just be something that loads some FAT-12 (or whatever) bytes and jumps to them. < 1301593457 546459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it'd have to have a default program. < 1301593461 34812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which the OS would not really function without. < 1301593464 717360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it'd just be a not-even-kernel. < 1301593466 248553 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA a bootloader? < 1301593486 109970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So for honesty, an OS is a FAT-12 loader, a keyboard interrupt, and a tiny prompt using the two :P < 1301593647 601723 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a loader that finds a file on FAT-12 or FAT-16 disks. I need to make it work with FAT-32 at some point. < 1301593677 860625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who needs this "FAT-32" of which you speak < 1301593685 537051 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god I'm going to have to use GIMP < 1301593698 262582 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: COME TO THE DORK SIDE < 1301593708 80267 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW < 1301593718 870102 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOES IT MEAN I DON'T HAVE TO USE GIMP < 1301593742 594101 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using the GIMP /is/ coming to the dork side :P < 1301593749 271129 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMMIT < 1301593758 427599 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, so I wasn't *already* on the dork side? < 1301593862 807627 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently not! < 1301593880 559324 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I submit http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31917308&l=75ffb3329d&id=1055580469 as evidence. < 1301593890 719967 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm already failing to draw an arrow. < 1301593893 229240 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a good sign. < 1301593990 303351 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That there are tutorials for this amuses me. < 1301594035 442613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Says the guy using one. < 1301594047 439434 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh < 1301594048 167356 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burn < 1301594052 491685 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean that it's *necessary* at all. < 1301594063 394376 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your image editor should not be that unintuitive. < 1301594077 830885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Phantom_Hoover expertly defects blame < 1301594081 425729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*deflects < 1301594117 623908 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* elliott fails to detect joke, attempts to cover for self < 1301594127 549975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ur mom < 1301594137 970565 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you two. < 1301594144 667005 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO locked in your matrices of solidity. < 1301594170 506040 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301594180 249894 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-8 < 1301594196 167906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Gregor's term for being straight) < 1301594214 864165 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HALP without _MERLiN_ what shall we do?! < 1301594219 173712 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-28-175.socal.dialup.o1.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301594223 634318 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, *whew* < 1301594237 90472 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot work out to draw a *line*. < 1301594242 93068 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*how to < 1301594244 392417 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Click. Shift-click. < 1301594249 351683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: try inserting anti retard pills into ur miiin`d < 1301594267 830519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should make a keyboard macro that inputs my password so i don't have to type it out for sudo < 1301594283 753257 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity < 1301594292 292418 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :god that felt good < 1301594301 54253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's like conversational masturbation < 1301594317 18571 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I cannot work out to draw a *line*. <-- which software? < 1301594344 493318 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GIMP < 1301594349 484130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :adj < 1301594350 677427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdojifgsjhirkh < 1301594351 79213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trjo < 1301594352 858490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruined your meme < 1301594411 844996 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well gimp is not a vector graphics program, depending on what you want to do, something like inkscape might be better. However to force a straight line I think it is as Gregor said above. < 1301594442 627377 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which indeed doesn < 1301594447 516359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't* make that much sense < 1301594472 763215 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has the advantage of being quick to use once you know it however < 1301594757 263273 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :radicalpumpkin < 1301594767 754981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :radicalpumpkin: NOOOOoo < 1301594783 244734 :radicalpumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :REVOLUTION < 1301594791 939815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1301594824 270996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :radicalpumpkin: in the spirit of http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_livqq7q0d11qitcsyo1_500.png and radical language reform < 1301594828 229606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I propose you become radicalananas < 1301594828 668554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1301594829 829682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pineapple < 1301594831 420576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not pumpkin < 1301594833 197989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THINGS I SHOULD DO: < 1301594833 981431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- READ < 1301594864 315138 :radicalpumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :my twitter avatar is a pwnapple < 1301594873 418899 :radicalpumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :cucurbita? < 1301594890 306003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pornapple < 1301596073 35467 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MORE GIMP NEWS < 1301596077 937600 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot draw anything. < 1301596082 539168 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At all. < 1301596095 859863 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I click on the image and nothing happens. < 1301596114 4799 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are made of so much fail :P < 1301596148 804661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: layers < 1301596177 322952 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ZOMG HE CAN'T USE A NOTORIOUSLY UNINTUITIVE PIECE OF SOFTWARE < 1301596204 860931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERY SOFTWARE EVER has layers. < 1301596408 855457 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31917308&l=75ffb3329d&id=1055580469 <-- this may not be the greatest shooping ever, but I made it in the GIMP. < 1301596417 820013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP LINKING TO THAT < 1301596433 596569 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT I <3 IT < 1301596438 299163 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what the hell is the point of it? < 1301596447 181452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing. < 1301596449 504580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is dada art. < 1301596454 83047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GaKaGwch0U) < 1301596471 208142 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen that. < 1301596477 48936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then. < 1301596506 254710 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I really don't get is the people who don't get it AFTER seeing that >_< < 1301596520 170656 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get the Barney. < 1301596522 96062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also known as "people of lesser intelligence" < 1301596527 225523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: TBH it looks nothing like a gang fight :P < 1301596533 717675 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, that bit in the chorus. < 1301596573 205793 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hey, finding a gang fight backdrop was friggin' impossible < 1301596625 59535 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just so happens that we only see one corner of the gang fight is all :P < 1301596639 223045 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The blog post that was from claims one of those people is dead, so that's a gang fight, right? < 1301596683 10665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1301596686 221477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHEERFUL < 1301596691 342374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link :P < 1301596695 733860 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't keep it. < 1301596713 587321 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's right, I steal with SO LITTLE REMORSE) < 1301596724 360920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :USE HISTORY < 1301596744 40936 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Use I'm not at home :P < 1301596783 64015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: RUN HOME < 1301597250 14218 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if possible, i find Gregor's picture even worse after hearing the song < 1301597267 564901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301597329 773170 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original singer has an incredibly ugly voice < 1301597331 415265 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it < 1301597360 662009 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lyrics hurt my brain < 1301597360 822671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: um the ORIGINAL singer is bob dylan :| < 1301597365 580791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHILISTINE < 1301597368 770911 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0&feature=related < 1301597370 741057 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this homo < 1301597378 965001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FISHEO3gsM ;; the lyrics are deep philosophical poetry. < 1301597387 124940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Listen and you will understand. < 1301597415 644178 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hy homo i meant the girl < 1301597438 907111 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that i realize there's another homo rapping it up, maybe that's worth clarifying < 1301597525 963851 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh now i get it < 1301597533 180996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1301597535 753714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sunday comes afterward. < 1301597613 576355 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way dylan is doing this this is actually pretty decent < 1301597624 620730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1301597632 93831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry to break your heart, it's not actually dylan :( < 1301597641 502105 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't care, it's funny done this way < 1301597645 612130 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea who dylan is < 1301597663 172467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just this random dude. < 1301597667 135432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody important. < 1301597669 9073 :cheater00!~cheater@g231049215.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301597689 622515 :cheater99!~cheater@e181054200.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301597729 595163 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "partying partying yeeah" thing could not be more sarcastic < 1301597881 425404 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is she really worthy of being compared to justin bieber? < 1301597885 373300 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4vLhJuKHxg&feature=related < 1301597988 912495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: my brain can't really compare badnesses at such a low level < 1301598011 553327 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF6LJ1BxEkc&feature=related <<< this guy here is totally locked in his matrix of solidity < 1301598046 963189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNe8eDLENSk i legit like this version < 1301598214 953227 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nice yeah < 1301598378 293131 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :should've added some sorta low crackling sound when the black guy came and then even more treble in the chorus after < 1301598388 241136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1301598393 503763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just end it with white noise < 1301598395 892677 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was kind of still < 1301598397 540677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and screaming faces < 1301598581 592370 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ridiculous advert of the day: "Advice about girlfriend" < 1301598596 215605 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lest you think this is by some Russians, it is by Childline. < 1301598610 574511 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-28-175.socal.dialup.o1.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301598613 415362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1301598649 820426 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Viu3ATQmYE4&NR=1 i agree with her < 1301598714 64856 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't like licking girls' faces when they are wearing that pimple disappearance maker thing < 1301598738 738285 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-29-157.socal.dialup.o1.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301598791 592634 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube surfing is kinda gay, feels more like the cantor set than the real line < 1301598795 284411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1301598807 647221 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :get it, because it's not path connected < 1301598830 701438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1301599082 580576 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it < 1301599123 854744 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well let e>0 be like really really small < 1301599125 825599 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301599133 428948 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider two points x and y on the real line < 1301599166 622068 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can like find points x = z_1, z_2, ..., y = z_k such that d(z_i, z_{i+1}) < e for all relevant i < 1301599187 118531 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the fact it's path connected, you can take a continuous path from x to y, just cut it into pieces < 1301599196 172257 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about the cantor set then? < 1301599212 582865 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no can do man, you can do e-jumps for hours and hours < 1301599218 977677 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you'll never get farther than e away < 1301599234 651927 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, so that's what path-connected means for real numbers.. what's the cantor set? < 1301599257 923455 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, that thing? < 1301599267 615080 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one where you take out the middle third of a line? < 1301599272 700723 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well here i'm referring by cantor set to the symbolic dynamics version of reals, the infinite sequences over a finite alphabet with a certain metric that's not the same as for the usual reals < 1301599295 593064 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmkay < 1301599297 397051 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the metric is that you just see how many of the first symbols of x and y agree < 1301599311 735173 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you e-jump, you will just change a finite number of "digits" in the beginning < 1301599415 253098 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWthNTQeWo8&feature=relmfu <<< i'm me! < 1301599436 841368 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is *that* oklopol!? < 1301599461 986435 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does that surprise you < 1301599548 332258 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the last 20 years i have struggled with who i am. it's only now, that i have? the confidence to accept who i am, and what i can pass on to others. if eveyone gave a little bit of their heart to help other's, then the world would be a better place! < 1301599548 461157 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep doing what you are doing Arielle, as you put a smile on a lot of people's faces :D and for that, you and your video get 3 <3 <3 <3, from me :) < 1301599548 663021 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I expected something else, obviously < 1301599558 333078 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you expect? < 1301599620 497088 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually if everyone gave a bit of their heart to help others, then a massive number of people would die from complications and the remainder mostly wouldn't live as long what with the missing bit of heart. < 1301599649 363048 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then, maybe I'm just locked in my matrix of solidity. < 1301599652 254384 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yeah real mature < 1301599657 842615 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're talking about real issues here < 1301599677 311265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: SO SOLID < 1301599792 719077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301599863 378450 :cheater00!~cheater@e181054119.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301599885 182059 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Uhh, no, we're not talking about real issues here. You can't just decree that we are after talking about toal BS for an hour :P < 1301599895 74024 :cheater99!~cheater@e181054200.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301599912 816351 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is #esoteric , after all. < 1301599922 898835 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The matrix of solidity. < 1301599927 434594 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, it's friday in like 2 hours here < 1301599942 13064 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so going to break out from my matrix of solidity < 1301599949 79526 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-8 < 1301599949 473501 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.229.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301599952 317058 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW?! < 1301599955 532788 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean for a while. i'm not superman. < 1301599958 225540 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsolidify the matrix of solidity? < 1301599967 948717 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: erm well figuratively. < 1301600018 261289 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1301600030 10287 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I guess I'm still trapped *sobblecopter* < 1301600042 921607 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's life for ya < 1301600053 715247 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity < 1301600078 711246 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1301600084 929566 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301601096 676250 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric : unsolidify the matrix of solidity? < 1301601112 511858 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dissolve it in ethanol, it's the finnish way < 1301601159 193401 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION grabs another beer < 1301601159 734439 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or melt it. < 1301601161 385611 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spoken like someone locked within their matrix of solidity. < 1301601170 776035 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION grabs a blowtorch < 1301601207 879053 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP Phantom_Hoover \ 2004-2011 \ He tried to escape his matrix of solidity < 1301601224 328532 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2004? < 1301601227 718028 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did that come from? < 1301601243 615039 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surprised I figured out the correct year so easily? < 1301601272 474125 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301601321 300023 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wondering if you just made up a random number. < 1301601425 385397 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just any random number, 2004! < 1301601449 720973 :bauttar!~bauttar@94-193-249-195.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1301601456 311231 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.229.4 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1301601456 685466 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAIT I HAVE A BETTER IDEA FOR BREAKING THE MATRIX OF SOLIDITY < 1301601464 18615 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO THE DEVICE < 1301601481 216628 :bauttar!~bauttar@94-193-249-195.zone7.bethere.co.uk PART :#esoteric < 1301601620 648142 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you and your crazy < 1301601715 368106 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE WON'T BE TALK LIKE THAT WITH THE DEVICE POWERED UP < 1301601746 292331 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORRY FIZZIE AND DEEWIANT BUT YOUR LIVES ARE A LESSER CONCERN < 1301602388 286070 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ljFaKRTrI < 1301602534 959047 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can tickle myself < 1301602545 173219 :iconmaster_!~rooms@dsl-72-18-49-24.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301602601 154838 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yeah, that basically sums it up. < 1301602617 503976 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION throws the axion conduit into phase 3. < 1301602634 538728 :iconmaster_!~rooms@dsl-72-18-49-24.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1301602640 4852 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just noting that my life hasn't been measurably affected as of yet < 1301602664 472092 :cheater-!~cheater@g229030016.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301602736 517606 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, reached the bottom of my desk: found some terva leijona! < 1301602751 72821 :cheater00!~cheater@e181054119.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301602776 320872 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yeah, the Device will do that. < 1301602893 709097 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ever dissolved it in alcohol? < 1301602915 459607 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup! < 1301602924 315035 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(preferrably a mixture of cheap cognac and ~vodka) < 1301602935 799780 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only tried it with vodka < 1301602953 472009 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in finland there's this bottled product, "jaloviina" (ädelbrännvin) < 1301602967 111155 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was cheap cognac for people thta couldn't afford the real thing < 1301602976 284008 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's two varieties of it, * and *** < 1301602986 959029 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** is three parts cognac, one part vodka, the other ... well, you can guess < 1301603325 297392 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the cognac do a lot compared to just mixing it with vodka? < 1301603441 109186 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but < 1301603454 374264 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can get jaloviina on the ferries? < 1301603465 225790 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I don't recognize it < 1301603466 594189 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you ever go to finland < 1301603499 279164 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to remember it for next time :) < 1301603501 348325 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does change the flavour a bit, not revolutionarily much but somewhat < 1301603532 777175 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :swor-ditch: were you doing a master's or a bachelor's in complexity theory < 1301603689 615668 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301603809 913545 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1301603818 208275 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i just realized that's what your nick means < 1301603848 156987 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301603928 152237 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bachelor's. < 1301603932 422234 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so nothing really interesting < 1301603951 575914 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so try figure out what it's in Finnish then? < 1301603954 897445 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i kind of assumed because it doesn't really sound like a research topic but a reading topic < 1301603955 227966 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1301603968 476616 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's not a research topic < 1301603968 935648 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the utu it department rarely gives out topics that interesting < 1301603988 650330 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like http - the way of the future or an elephant? < 1301603995 629147 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :our prof Ion Petre had it as one suggestion, but most of the suggestions were way more boring < 1301604000 403954 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :waitasec I'll find the full list < 1301604009 965035 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oklopol: so try figure out what it's in Finnish then?" what? < 1301604064 916307 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bachelor's thesis at the it dep was pretty lame and to quote my supervisor, i could've easily passed it as a master's thesis < 1301604079 914028 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://xprog28.cs.abo.fi/ro.nsf/141b8735bd22ff31c225700600473a01/3ee2c54d808c7ed3c22577180023004d/$FILE/KNrubriker2011.pdf < 1301604093 857056 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: my nick is a somewhat bad translation of my surname < 1301604106 308919 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i said, yes < 1301604111 571786 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1301604117 323521 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean it actually means something slightly different? < 1301604134 945408 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dijk originally meant ditch < 1301604137 244502 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what language Zwaarddijk could be < 1301604149 164366 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now it means the inverse of a ditch < 1301604159 585433 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mound of dirt you leave on one side while digging the ditch < 1301604163 736756 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cheers < 1301604173 737069 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way of an elephant < 1301604175 754749 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I beat Minesweeper on hard for the third time! < 1301604185 866114 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was your time < 1301604189 579006 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301604190 645859 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: language? < 1301604204 636353 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: dutch, because I figured that's the only other lang to use -ditch (or something similar) as a suffix in surnames < 1301604211 214497 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but uh, my surname is finnish < 1301604213 348569 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course. < 1301604216 479281 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i actually figured it might be dutch because of dijk < 1301604225 525131 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but zwaard sounded a bit too... african < 1301604263 982312 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...actually maybe it reminded me of africa because of that copy of dutch they speak in africa < 1301604264 350283 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-29-157.socal.dialup.o1.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301604293 977451 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :afrikans < 1301604298 527415 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*afrikaans < 1301604303 318025 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1301604311 950096 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-29-15.socal.dialup.o1.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301604449 981150 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, Interspeech 2011 paper submission deadline was supposed to be today, and there was a note that it will not be extended as the paper submission system needs to shut down for "scheduled maintenance that cannot be rescheduled". < 1301604466 842104 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now in place of that note there is "Due to the overwhelming number of requests, the INTERSPEECH 2011 Technical Commitee decided to allow authors to "upload" their final paper version till April 7th in the "check the status page" of the paper submission system, but a draft version "must" be submitted by March 31st. " < 1301604527 204780 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :murphy's law means that if they _had_ insisted on the deadline, their computers would have crashed a day early. < 1301604567 924910 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every conference seems to every time do the extension thing, at least a day or two, usually a week. < 1301604582 560742 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just when I'm all "ah, now I don't need to think about this stuff any longer, the deadline's past". < 1301604597 651825 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: based on the first few i read, your worst topics are better than utu's worst < 1301604601 279276 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1301604602 950533 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :utu's best < 1301604651 897687 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also their very stupid animated "sponsors" mini-banner thing is done as a Java applet, and the plugin takes 300 megabytes of real memory to shuffle those 120x60 banners around. < 1301604660 781056 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Applet by Gokhan Dagli,www.appletcollection.com" < 1301604679 212123 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Color me unimpressed. < 1301604705 514523 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't quite grasped to point of conferences yet < 1301604712 626700 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the < 1301604765 6269 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: otoh, it isn't mandatory to pick any topic out of those < 1301604773 55956 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely you can also pick other topics? < 1301604775 280532 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a publication venue, and the generation of publications (that "count", i.e. are peer-reviewed to some degree) is the ultimate goal of all. < 1301604780 523322 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: actually just after i stopped reading, topics started getting pretty bleh < 1301604793 30304 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: you can, and i did < 1301604800 145554 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I'd say most of those are pretty bleh < 1301604809 144499 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301604818 883649 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the biocomputing stuff sounds like it could be interesting < 1301604829 149939 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the quantum stuff why not < 1301604850 693829 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"make your own godzilla bio-robot!" < 1301604853 345880 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if you haven't done simulated annealing and other shit like that to death when you were 5, that's certainly fun stuff as well < 1301604855 320846 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of those were ion petre's stuff no? < 1301604858 617999 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1301604896 341603 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301604903 370889 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's the only guy in the entire department to have interesting stuff < 1301604911 439806 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think patrick sibelius could do interesting stuff too if he wanted < 1301604922 428196 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he probably knows complexity science just as well as petre) < 1301604929 31542 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real godzilla was of course just a japanese college project with too many programming bugs < 1301604939 89894 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he just suggested topics like "the history of formal logics" < 1301604970 805242 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :EN KORT HISTORIK ÖVER PREDIKATLOGIKEN (Även möjlig som gradu) xD < 1301604988 80865 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vad ljuvligt < 1301604997 165019 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1301605001 652699 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one cool topic for a cs master's thesis :D < 1301605019 421806 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was predicate logic even, so ... < 1301605022 546463 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather meh. < 1301605034 626478 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that guy really knows his logic and formal languages and complexity shit. < 1301605047 439092 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just think he's lazy when it comes to advising < 1301605047 483950 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a complex, but formal guy < 1301605129 1612 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :advising required for bachelor's: browse the thing when it's done. < 1301605416 684944 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1301605422 27583 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1301605429 318892 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion petre did suggest a few books < 1301605450 276063 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ... I guess an additional five minutes there < 1301605462 589381 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i was totally oversimplifying < 1301605472 718978 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301605476 512321 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no really, I haven't really interacted with him since then at all? < 1301605490 975783 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figure maybe I should have but ... meh < 1301605533 444257 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ion Petre" sounds like a superhero. < 1301605534 4555 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't really have any interaction where we actually talked about the contents of my bachelor's thesis < 1301605615 275414 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301605849 827346 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301605868 137454 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301605993 292987 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.5.18/20110319140258] < 1301606090 153428 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-8-204.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301606328 139539 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1301606329 127394 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's a matter of time before that's the rig that hardcore gamers want, i can just believe that :) < 1301606329 149548 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301606341 196216 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301606368 779015 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-29-15.socal.dialup.o1.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301606381 190104 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-8-204.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301606458 445971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is MERLiN? < 1301606724 282031 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic enhanced reverse living intelligent node < 1301607033 188240 :augur!~augur@96.231.225.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301607092 231303 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds a bit like VALIS. < 1301607308 168268 :augur!~augur@96.231.225.129 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301607327 838520 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1301607335 217715 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301607565 442192 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-7-208.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301607868 189940 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301608058 192581 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M FREAKING < 1301608058 746832 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OUT < 1301608068 286192 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1301608088 293823 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds libc.so-related. < 1301608128 165083 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-16-252.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301608146 7326 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-16-252.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301608217 180812 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's because it is! < 1301608228 788595 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm in the lead but the margin between the current value and my max is INSUFFICIENT < 1301608235 840349 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, knew it. Nothing else gets you so... how is it that they say, hot and bothered? < 1301608249 579678 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brits say that :P < 1301608313 534397 :cheater00!~cheater@g228060095.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301608320 50721 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm continuing to bother #esoteric because ZERO people from this channel have helped me out here :P < 1301608377 614527 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, we never put our money where our mouth is. < 1301608408 691990 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually since in this case everybody's just said "You ain't got a chance in hell LOLOLOL" you're putting your money exactly where your mouth is. < 1301608424 990127 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/everybody/everybody in this channel/ < 1301608451 633960 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would certainly give you money if you were doing something even remotely interesting < 1301608463 165083 :cheater-!~cheater@g229030016.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301608463 691705 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like buying the vierergruppe < 1301608465 291254 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ack pthbbth bleh, dirty money in mouth. < 1301608466 958210 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: @libc.so email addresses ARE interesting < 1301608505 213794 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1301608513 515660 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but but, cocaine! < 1301608522 651571 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: If they're not interested in them, then you're made of FAIL < 1301608540 334077 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1301608558 586308 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm tired of arguing with you -> < 1301608568 250204 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're arguing? :P < 1301608576 737856 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :< Gregor> I'm continuing to bother #esoteric because ZERO people from this channel have helped me out here :P < 1301608597 56239 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one concludes that perhaps libc isn't very esoteric < 1301608605 19416 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha, that is true :P < 1301608624 564968 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you're right, maybe it was more like a flamewar < 1301608625 360241 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't want to harass ##unix , I don't know them and they'd probably yell at me :P < 1301608656 421905 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301608668 716505 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dleep < 1301608669 704341 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1301608711 735301 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301608731 125852 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301608809 173852 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-16-252.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301608901 99633 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301608915 649698 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org NICK :libc\x2Eso < 1301609323 593299 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, "dleep" was a typo for "sleep" < 1301609342 852763 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't figure it out until i saw the arrow on the next line < 1301609347 680811 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARE YOU SURE OF THAT < 1301609371 724285 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a typo of oklokloklokloklokloklokloklokloklokloklokloklokloklokloklvosleep < 1301609372 649342 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was just a glitch in oklopol's robotic circuits < 1301609391 844716 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That 'v', however, was a typo of ctrl+v :P < 1301609396 847292 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does sound like the kind of sound a glitching robot circuit would make < 1301609452 142160 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1301609466 204582 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-16-252.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301609467 614973 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1301609618 223604 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301610206 297460 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1301610681 38504 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD THE AUCTION SITE IS ERRORING OUT < 1301610686 667673 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :STRESS TIMES A BAJILLION < 1301610714 477933 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@128.198.97.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301610728 277800 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you entered that "extend 24 hours at a time" period yet? < 1301610734 407823 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1301610735 911163 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1301610747 790492 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's when you can _really_ start stressing < 1301610770 557837 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will have so much stress that it kills people near me at that time :P < 1301610807 753527 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*being stressed < 1301611302 411340 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301611304 84289 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually "stressing" is perfectly grammatical in modern english < 1301611311 503337 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1301611315 203173 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1301611315 393053 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for better or worse < 1301611348 20961 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it looks like the next four languages to be supported in yoob will be: SMETANA, Qdeql, Sceql, and Ale, for no good reason. < 1301611351 537885 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :later. < 1301611353 945311 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1301612705 50916 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301613118 385339 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301613312 222999 :radicalpumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301613739 395343 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301614672 636150 :cheater-!~cheater@g228060000.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301614847 301947 :cheater00!~cheater@g228060095.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301614850 271770 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301615096 433596 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301615187 517905 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301615645 298859 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@128.198.97.131 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301615801 515393 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301615801 533389 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1301615801 533523 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301615950 965131 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301615951 125185 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu