00:00:00 $0, $1, $2 00:00:07 then variables are functions because variables get recursively expanded. 00:00:09 yesh, it kind of drifting in that direction 00:00:11 oh my god it's so shitty this is amazing. 00:00:13 When will Factory llanguage be implemented? 00:00:17 all variables are variables that can expand themselves 00:00:23 said expansion is execution 00:00:39 like |~/send=|append ~/inbox $* 00:00:41 that's so beautiful 00:00:44 i'm going to cry 00:00:53 um, i should implement my conception of all this. 00:00:58 but WHICH LANGUAGE... 00:01:09 |goto ~/send 00:01:10 ZOMGMODULES: 00:01:21 |~/send=help 00:01:22 ZOMGMODULES: help 00:01:26 |~/send 00:01:26 ZOMGMODULES: help 00:01:27 hmmm 00:01:29 |~/test=|help 00:01:29 elliott: |help 00:01:30 |~/test 00:01:31 elliott: |help 00:01:32 |goto ~/send 00:01:32 ZOMGMODULES: help 00:01:35 :( 00:01:36 ZOMGMODULES: that seems broken a bit to me 00:01:42 like, if a variable expands to something starting with |, it should re-execute 00:01:46 well 00:01:53 the goto stuff makes less sense so that's kinda a point in its favour 00:01:55 i thought it did -- not with | though 00:01:58 but it's not, like, elegantly ugly 00:02:11 goto should totally derefence 00:02:20 "|~/foo=|~/bar" has a nice symmetry to it. 00:02:28 oh wait 00:02:29 -!- Mathnerd314 has joined. 00:02:30 |help exp 00:02:30 ZOMGMODULES: All items in [brackets] are replaced by their value, in a recursive, depth-first manner. 00:02:36 i'd then expect "|goto ~/foo" to uh 00:02:39 execute |~/bar 00:02:43 then execute |(its final output) 00:02:46 |[~/send] 00:02:46 ZOMGMODULES: Help is available for: assignment expressions print goto tell source errors 00:02:50 so if |~/bar=foo 00:02:51 see 00:02:56 elliott: what about Redivider? 00:02:57 execute = [] 00:03:04 ZOMGMODULES: but but 00:03:08 tswett: PERFECT FOR IRC BOTS 00:03:23 |~/send=~/send 00:03:23 ZOMGMODULES: ~/send 00:03:26 Sgeo: the reason I'm using Smalltalk is that it's persistent; is Newspeak that? 00:03:27 |[~/send] 00:03:27 ZOMGMODULES: ~/send 00:03:29 elliott: oh, okay. 00:03:34 |goto [~/send] 00:03:34 ZOMGMODULES: ~/send 00:03:38 tswett, yes 00:03:43 |~/send=goto ~/send 00:03:43 ZOMGMODULES: goto ~/send 00:03:45 newspeak is built on squeak 00:03:46 |[~/send] 00:03:46 ZOMGMODULES: goto ~/send 00:03:48 but 00:03:51 stop feeding Sgeo's language addiction 00:03:58 |~/send=[goto ~/send] 00:03:59 ZOMGMODULES: goto ~/send 00:04:02 |[~/send] 00:04:02 ZOMGMODULES: goto ~/send 00:04:03 |~/shits=[help] 00:04:03 elliott: Help is available for: assignment expressions print goto tell source errors 00:04:03 elliott: 00:04:04 grrrr 00:04:06 ... 00:04:08 that sucks 00:04:11 all expansion should be lazy :D 00:04:19 Sgeo: do you know if Newspeak has sandboxing? 00:04:24 i think currently expansion is SOMETIMES 00:04:38 (elliott: do you see where this is going?) 00:04:54 i totally figured out how to do a loop in this, once 00:04:54 tswett: yes, you're about to pick an inferior language with bad non-Windows IDE support 00:04:58 tswett, in theory, it should. But currently, it being based on Squeak is a severe detriment to that goal 00:05:11 |/global=hi 00:05:11 ZOMGMODULES: hi 00:05:15 |/global 00:05:15 ZOMGMODULES: hi 00:05:16 elliott, hey, there are some bugs in the Windows IDE! 00:05:19 |ls 00:05:19 ZOMGMODULES: Unknown command. Type '|help' for help. 00:05:22 |help 00:05:22 ZOMGMODULES: Help is available for: assignment expressions print goto tell source errors 00:05:23 uhh 00:05:29 |help commands 00:05:29 ZOMGMODULES: Help is available for: assignment expressions print goto tell source errors 00:05:30 newspeak is pretty inherently sandboxed in a shitty way isn't it 00:05:34 because of the module systemd 00:05:38 ZOMGMODULES: NAME A LANGUAGE 00:05:55 elliott: you really don't want that 00:06:02 elliott, but supposedly, the Squeak VM means that code can currently break out easily, I think. Apparently, at some point it's going to be moved off 00:06:03 ZOMGMODULES: oh i do 00:06:23 well, I can't make you write it in R, because I'm reserving that particular insanity for myself. 00:06:26 Well, even without the Squeak, there's currently a "blackMarket" 00:06:29 otherwise I totally would 00:06:30 ZOMGMODULES: oh i don't 00:06:30 R 00:06:36 seriously 00:06:36 Well, I guess that's not without Squeak 00:06:40 are you seriously going to do that 00:06:47 i might respond to that masochism by writing it in python 00:06:48 I... 00:07:02 I would like to write a VERY SIMPLE BOT IN R just to prove it's possible. 00:07:13 I would not like to reimplement mzstorkipiwanbotbotbot in R. 00:07:28 ZOMGMODULES: http://www.rstudio.org/ actually makes me want to use R a bit :) 00:07:31 I... ok let's try another one 00:07:33 just because it's so pretty. 00:07:35 and nice. 00:07:44 STRING MANIPULATION IN R IS HEAVENLY 00:07:50 PICK ANOTHER LANGUAGE 00:07:59 GO 00:08:04 You know you want to. 00:08:18 I am so neutral about that that it sounds so boring. 00:08:26 ZOMGMODULES, the esolang I kind of pondered ma... oh, dur 00:08:28 I don't think string manipulation is Go's forte :P 00:08:41 I wonder if IDSSST has... what's the word. 00:08:42 Sockets. 00:08:58 you doan need zockets you juss need stdio and NETCAT 00:09:07 nope, no sockets 00:09:09 I'd have to 00:09:09 WRITE 00:09:10 MY 00:09:10 OWN 00:09:21 ZOMGMODULES: hey you speque elliottese too 00:10:14 guh 00:10:15 link to hackety.org 00:10:18 sadness organs engaged 00:10:21 Sgeo: You what? 00:10:32 SHUT UP 00:10:34 I'M BUSY BEING SAD 00:10:44 would naming another language happy you? 00:10:53 maybe. 00:11:03 wait what's hackety org 00:11:10 ZOMGMODULES, wondered about making a language based on how a Go bot.. or perhaps a hypothetical perfect player.. would play Go 00:11:14 why's last blog 00:11:18 also his best blog 00:11:27 oh. sad. ok 00:11:33 CLOJURE 00:11:36 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Whytheluckystiff.jpg RIP JACK BLACK 00:11:40 ZOMGMODULES: OMG KILL YOURSELF 00:12:01 whoa 00:12:04 stanislav just made a post about clojure 00:12:06 COINKIDINK? 00:12:15 Grah, stupid broser 00:12:20 i don't care, i don't read that drivel anymore 00:12:31 {{DEFAULTSORT:Stiff, Why The Lucky}} 00:12:43 ZOMGMODULES: I'm sorry, but did you not just misspell erudite thought? 00:12:51 hey elliott: want to attempt to debug this? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=8jEXs0vE 00:12:57 Sgeo: this would be Go the language rather than Go the board game 00:13:05 perhaps you got that 00:13:06 elliott, all I see is a post about C# 00:13:12 ZOMGMODULES: I AM VERY OFFENDED AT YOUR IMPLICATION RIGHT NOW 00:13:19 Imk0tter: uh oh 00:13:42 "Clojure is a nice, clean replacement for Common Lisp only if thumbs are nice, clean replacements for cars." ;; theory: removing the links from this blog makes it 10x funnier 00:13:46 thumbs! 00:14:02 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=HJNzKvwk 00:14:09 (forgot to copy the variables) 00:14:17 elliott: what, that stanislav's mind is a SLAVERING MASS OF TOXIC PLUTONIUM SPLINTERS? 00:14:37 ZOMGMODULES: YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS THAT HIS BLOG IS MORE INTERESTING THAN YOUR BANAL PYTHON WORK 00:14:39 OOOOH I WENT THERE 00:14:41 CAPITAL CASE 00:14:48 Capital Case: good band/album name 00:15:04 ffff maybe i'll write it in... grep 00:15:05 yes 00:15:06 grep 00:15:08 that is a good langauge to write things in 00:15:31 heyy... 00:15:33 i could use awk! 00:15:38 ZOMGMODULES: AWK! 00:15:46 you could in fact use awk 00:15:56 elliott, I can't seem to find Slava's blog 00:15:58 i could! 00:16:04 Or at least, not a blog mentioning Clojure 00:16:52 Oh... Loper OS dude 00:16:54 Not Slava 00:16:56 * Sgeo facepalms 00:17:11 anyone want to attempt to debug this: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=HJNzKvwk 00:17:28 I think the worst part of mzstorkipiwanbot's being in Lua is those non-standard regexps 00:18:08 ...Is the Loper OS person a moron? It's not really size of a standard library that matters (well, it does kind of matter), but consistancy is really what's.. needed 00:18:09 Ish 00:18:11 I think 00:18:14 nc: invalid option -- 'e' 00:18:15 asodjgfdjg 00:18:29 there 00:18:31 nc.traditional has it 00:18:31 -!- ciconia has joined. 00:18:37 huh 00:18:41 why'd you not say the thing i asked you to say 00:18:56 Sgeo: "moron" is not the word *I* would choose 00:19:12 Hmm 00:19:13 Sgeo: no, he's not a moron 00:19:18 I would choose much more colorful words 00:19:22 and what you said is vaguely incoherent 00:19:34 ZOMGMODULES: WATCH YOUR TONGUE MISTER 00:19:36 awk awk awk 00:20:09 awk is a product of decadent unix technology, which is a product of poisonthought. you are chosing your doom. 00:20:24 pretty much, yep 00:20:46 -!- ciconia has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:20:51 -!- ciconia has joined. 00:20:53 "I chosed it" -- bumper sticker on your doom 00:20:59 -!- ciconia has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:21:04 ZOMGMODULES: this is the worst imitation of stanislav ever 00:21:30 http://www.loper-os.org/?p=316 hmm 00:21:32 but possibly the single funniest! to me, anyway 00:21:40 I kind of see and agree with what he's saying 00:22:09 Sgeo: now get really RIGHTEOUS about it 00:22:13 Yet the ravishing hordes of underlings which see fit to perform savagery on that which does not meet their peanut-gallery ideals of the rotting flesh-corpse that is Unix still insist that using AWK is the finest way to process lines of text. These people have clearly never thought for one second. 00:22:37 Sgeo: Most of what Stanislav says is right, everything about the way he says it is wrong :-P 00:22:46 ZOMGMODULES: come on, that hurt ^ 00:23:37 * ZOMGMODULES incapacitated with lol 00:23:44 http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309 00:24:20 post title: On the Undying Non-Viscousness of Concepts, or If You Can't Sell It To 'Em, Steal It From Them 00:24:31 He doesn't seem to consider that many computers these days do use non-programmable parts for video decoding for performance purposes -- althogh I'm sure he sees that as a sin. Or perhaps we could work out reprogrammable video cards? 00:24:50 Reprogrammable video cards... gee, like a GPU? 00:25:34 Oh. Hah. What about mobile devices though? 00:25:35 -!- ciconia has joined. 00:25:35 wtf? 00:25:42 -!- ciconia has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:25:49 USER ciconia 8 * ciconia 00:25:49 NICK ciconia 00:25:49 JOIN #esoteric 00:25:49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current time is Wed Apr 6 01:25:29 BST 2011 00:25:51 looks aight to me... 00:26:16 oh, wtf 00:26:19 oh oh i'm beginning to remember 00:26:23 Oh, and he also adresses my concern, durgh 00:26:24 [~/Code/ciconia]% ./first.awk 130 00:26:24 USER ciconia 8 * ciconia 00:26:24 NICK ciconia 00:26:24 JOIN #esoteric 00:26:24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current time is Wed Apr 6 01:25:54 BST 2011 00:26:24 ^[[A^C 00:26:25 [~/Code/ciconia]% ./first.awk | cat -v 130 00:26:27 USER ciconia 8 * ciconia^M 00:26:29 NICK ciconia^M 00:26:31 JOIN #esoteric^M 00:26:33 ZOMGMODULES: wat 00:26:42 |~storkbot/BRA 00:26:42 ZOMGMODULES: [ 00:26:55 -!- ciconia has joined. 00:26:56 The current time is Wed Apr 6 01:26:37 BST 2011 00:26:58 :D 00:27:02 |[~storkbot/BRA]/foo[~storkbot/KET] 00:27:03 ZOMGMODULES: Unknown command. Type '|help' for help. 00:27:13 shut up bra 00:27:17 i'm admiring 00:28:03 |~/foo=[~storkbot/BRA]~/foo[~storkbot/KET] 00:28:04 ZOMGMODULES: [~/foo] 00:28:06 |~/foo 00:28:07 ZOMGMODULES: [~/foo] 00:28:07 ^bf +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++[->+>+<<]>>[<<+>>-]>++++++++++[>++++++++++[>++++++++++[>++++++++++[>++++++++++<-]<-]<-]<-]>>>>[<<<<+>>>>-]<<<< [->+>+<<]>>[<<+>>-]>>+>>>>>>>>>>>>>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>>++++++[<<<<<<<<<<<<<<[-]+[<<<<<<<<<<<<<[->>>>>>>>+<<<<<<<<]>>>[->>>>>>+<<<<<<]<[->+>+<<]>>[<<+>>-]>>>>[>[-<->>>+<]<<]<[>]>>>>>+<[-<<<<<<<<->>>>>>>>]<<<<<<<[[-]>>>>>>>>>->-<<<<<<<< 00:28:07 Mismatched []. 00:28:07 <<]<[->+>+<<]>>[<<+>>-]>>>>>>>>>]<[->>+>+<<<]>>+[->>>>>>>>>>>[<]<+>>[>]<<<<<<<<<<<<]>>>>>>>>>>>[<]>[-]>[>]<<<<<<<<<<<[-<<<<<<<<<<<<[-]<[->+>+<<]>>[<<+>>-]<[->>>>>>>>>>>>>+<<<<<<<<<<<<<]>>>>>>>>>>>>]>[-<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>]<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<[-]<[->+>+<<]>>[<<+>>-]>>[-]<[>>++++++++++[-<<->>]<+<]>[->+<<+>]>[-<+>]>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-]<<<<<<<<<<<+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 00:28:07 ++++++++++++++[->+>+>+>+>+>+<<<<<<]>.>.>.>.>.>. 00:28:21 |goto ~/foo 00:28:22 ZOMGMODULES: [~/foo] 00:28:22 -!- ciconia has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:28:27 -!- ciconia has joined. 00:28:28 The current time is Wed Apr 6 01:28:09 BST 2011 00:28:29 ,eval 2 00:28:29 -!- ciconia has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:28:31 :( 00:28:34 |~/foo=goto [~storkbot/BRA]~/foo[~storkbot/KET] 00:28:35 ZOMGMODULES: goto [~/foo] 00:28:35 no eval in gawk 00:28:39 |~/foo 00:28:39 ZOMGMODULES: goto [~/foo] 00:28:45 |goto ~/foo 00:28:45 ZOMGMODULES: goto [~/foo] 00:28:48 grrrr 00:28:50 wait 00:28:53 awk doesn't have eval?? 00:28:54 that's weird 00:29:03 that just ain't right 00:29:51 -!- ciconia has joined. 00:29:51 The current time is Wed Apr 6 01:29:32 BST 2011 00:29:52 ,say PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! 00:29:56 hmph 00:30:02 -!- ciconia has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:30:07 |~/foo=[~storkbot/BRA]~/foo[~storkbot/KET] 00:30:07 ZOMGMODULES: [~/foo] 00:30:07 -!- ciconia has joined. 00:30:07 The current time is Wed Apr 6 01:29:49 BST 2011 00:30:10 ,say PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! 00:30:11 |[~/foo] 00:30:11 ZOMGMODULES: Unknown command. Type '|help' for help. 00:30:15 wtf? 00:30:17 |print [~/foo] 00:30:17 ZOMGMODULES: [~/foo] 00:30:28 i... but the code, she recurses there! 00:30:31 -!- ciconia has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:30:43 -!- ciconia has joined. 00:30:43 The current time is Wed Apr 6 01:30:25 BST 2011 00:30:47 ,say hello 00:30:48 hello 00:30:54 -!- ciconia has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:31:00 -!- ciconia has joined. 00:31:00 The current time is Wed Apr 6 01:30:42 BST 2011 00:31:13 if you want dynaic code use a language that's designed for this purpose 00:31:22 ZOMGMODULES: i think he's telling me that if i want lisp i know where to find it 00:31:25 ,say PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi 00:31:25 hi 00:31:44 ZOMGMODULES: WHAT SHOULD I ADD TO CICONIA APART FROM THE LANGUAGE 00:31:57 *sigh* 00:32:01 Is SqueakNOS still dead? 00:32:17 s/still// 00:32:29 -!- sk has joined. 00:32:30 elliott: um... geocaching? 00:32:38 * ZOMGMODULES is not even sure what that means 00:32:56 Oh look, 17 months that had emails from 2006 to now 00:33:00 -!- sk has left. 00:33:09 SO EXCITED 00:33:33 * Sgeo wants to run Smalltalk as a primary OS 00:33:35 * Sgeo sads 00:33:38 how interesting, emacs is indenting the code with 8 spaces 00:33:39 not tabs, 8 spaces 00:34:16 ok, forget you storkbot. i am totally going to implement a bot in R. 00:34:22 frankly, I need awk because writing an IRC bot in awk is my favourite kind of perverse, and I need eval() because otherwise it'll be completely useless :-) 00:34:22 well, people have written network stuff with gawk, they didn't need eval 00:34:27 ZOMGMODULES: i hate irc channels ^ 00:34:38 first they interrogate you 00:34:40 WHY DO YOU WANT TO DO THIS 00:34:41 WHYYYY 00:34:46 then when you finally give them a good reason 00:34:53 they just waffle on so you don't realise they don't have a fucking clue 00:35:45 After this operation, 94.1MB of additional disk space will be used. 00:35:51 -!- ciconia has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:36:22 i'm really, really surprised there is no eval() in gawk 00:37:34 -!- ciconia has joined. 00:37:35 The current time is Wed Apr 6 01:37:15 BST 2011 00:38:01 ,say QUIT :xuhh 00:38:01 what's up now 00:38:02 -!- ciconia has quit (Client Quit). 00:38:05 oh 00:38:07 ciconia is still alye 00:38:08 ve 00:38:17 ill wait for it to ping out 00:39:06 oh dear lord! gawk has ZOMGMODULES 00:39:15 extension(object, function) Dynamically link the shared object file named by object, and invoke function in that object, to perform initialization. These should both be provided as strings. Returns the value returned by function. 00:40:45 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:42:11 ZOMGMODULES: why has it not died yet 00:42:58 it's one tough cookie 00:44:08 tswettbot: I congratulate you on still existing. 00:44:14 why did I not write down haw you do input in R? 00:44:39 whoa 00:44:39 wtf 00:44:40 lag 00:44:41 so 00:44:41 much 00:44:43 lag 00:44:51 like 00:44:53 clue 00:44:53 ,say QUIT :xuhh 00:44:53 what's up now 00:44:53 oh 00:44:53 ciconia is still alye 00:44:54 ve 00:44:56 ill wait for it to ping out 00:44:58 ODULES> After this operation, 94.1MB of additional disk space will be used. 00:45:00 * ciconia has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 00:45:02 i'm really, really surprised there is no eval() in gawk 00:45:04 * ciconia (~ciconia@91.104.253.144) has joined #esoteric 00:45:06 The current time is Wed Apr 6 01:37:15 BST 2011 00:45:10 * ciconia has quit (Client Quit) 00:45:12 oh dear lord! gawk has ZOMGMODULES 00:45:14 extension(object, function) Dynamicall 00:45:16 how did that even happen 00:45:18 logs show it happening in a normal order 00:45:20 but no 00:45:22 somehow 00:45:24 SOMEHOW 00:45:26 everyone else saw it join and quit on my command 00:45:28 but i didn't see it at all 00:45:30 until just now 00:45:32 WTF FREENODE 00:45:34 WTF 00:45:55 lol 00:45:57 -!- ciconia has joined. 00:45:58 The current time is Wed Apr 6 01:45:36 BST 2011 00:46:07 ,say PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello 00:46:07 hello 00:46:10 <3 00:46:10 <3 00:46:13 ... 00:46:13 ... 00:46:16 well that's not right 00:46:17 well that's not right 00:46:23 -!- tswettbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:46:24 -!- ciconia has quit (Client Quit). 00:46:29 uhhh 00:46:30 elliott: I take it it wasn't meant to echo everything you said? 00:46:32 how did it quit 00:46:34 ais523: indeed 00:46:37 and how did it quit 00:46:39 elliott: my bot quit, so yours quit. 00:46:43 did you exit the program? 00:46:54 no 00:47:01 It's echoing all messages that are not otherwise handled. 00:47:07 i doubt it 00:47:09 With no processing whatsoever. 00:47:11 since that would include the prefix 00:47:18 The IRC server will just ignore the prefix, I believe. 00:47:22 -!- ciconia has joined. 00:47:23 The current time is Wed Apr 6 01:47:04 BST 2011 00:47:26 IS IT TRUE, POOPHEAD? you didn't do that before! 00:47:26 IS IT TRUE, POOPHEAD? you didn't do that before! 00:47:28 ,say helloa... 00:47:29 but 00:47:30 but 00:47:31 i just fixed that 00:47:31 i just fixed that 00:47:33 wtf jerk 00:47:33