< 1302307220 923235 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: programs can also make you unhappy < 1302307235 64029 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes I know what you meant about APL's name, from the context. Yes I know you meant that. < 1302307246 594407 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, ok, sorry, wsn't sure < 1302307248 323771 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asnt' < 1302307249 467577 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't < 1302307253 285564 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I FIND IT INTERESTING < 1302307256 573962 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1302307276 972000 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: I suppose it can, but I am not intention to make the program of unhappy. The program is meant for its use. < 1302307285 844405 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously, I am King of the Jews... erm, Typos < 1302307298 302705 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it interesting that every modern language's "Why X?" FAQ entry includes the rhetorical question "Does the world really need another language?" < 1302307312 75186 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what i am saying is, when making a program always make sure to think of the user's feelings! < 1302307321 669325 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how would it ever have had any of my influences anyway? < 1302307321 984427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: apex's will instead include "Does this new language really need the world?" < 1302307329 568770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No. No it doesn't. We forced it into the world." < 1302307339 455159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: hey you exerted _vague_ influence :D < 1302307353 595865 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is apex the new name of @? < 1302307407 397836 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: GOOD LUCK WITH APEX < 1302307420 818917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: is this some kind of horrid reverse psychology < 1302307421 134899 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the apex of naming < 1302307435 771580 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ima designing Bizaaro-Pixley < 1302307440 431423 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(working title) < 1302307447 119602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: i guess i'll uh < 1302307447 493901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1302307451 409528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that one thing you didn't want apex to do < 1302307454 491682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've forgotten :( < 1302307480 714979 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allow apex to continue its non-existence? < 1302307487 232408 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bizaaro-Pixley is: statically typed: has 'eval' instead of 'quote': has only pairs and symbols: has some other crap you'd never see in Scheme < 1302307503 286176 :augur_!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302307504 33231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you have a literal symbol? < 1302307505 411521 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: What is Bizaaro-Pixley (other than that)? < 1302307509 614080 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: too late for MY considered opinion < 1302307513 816223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cons up a list of lists-representing-numerals and convert that? < 1302307524 478760 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302307528 610231 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a literal symbol is a bareword. a pair is: [hi there] < 1302307538 397853 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe (hi . there), I dunno < 1302307558 910326 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's go with < 1302307560 961805 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1302307564 649891 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :html will kill me < 1302307583 390312 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't be [] because that's eval < 1302307593 502832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: {hi there} < 1302307600 245866 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302307618 861457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, eval has syntax? perverse. i like it. < 1302307632 504750 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to because otherwise it sucks < 1302307637 985458 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then use {} < 1302307653 398373 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the purposes of demonstration I shall use {} but I am not sold on it < 1302307659 346260 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1302307660 525744 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302307694 772942 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: Have you even *seen* my program? Otherwise how can you know? < 1302307719 864207 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i never opined about your program < 1302307723 570386 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so: {hi there} evaluates to {hi there}. {cons {a b}} evaluates to {cons {a b}}. but [{cons {a b}] evaluates to {a b}. [{cons {[a] [b]}] does what you'd normally expect (cons a b) to do, in Scheme < 1302307731 444894 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :except of the name, that is < 1302307756 740426 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU SNUB QUOTE < 1302307757 941898 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: O, OK. But how can you judge the book by only its name? < 1302307788 802188 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: zzo38: i never opined about your program < 1302307792 501763 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: Is the {} mismatched, or is supposed to be like that? < 1302307829 447942 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: Then how can you know if it is correct name? < 1302307860 440567 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i can judge a book's cover without reading the book. < 1302307879 536830 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you can, but how can you judge if it is the correct cover for that book? < 1302307895 888950 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i ever said anything about whether it is the correct name for your program? < 1302307903 96180 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :flrgbl < 1302307934 320784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: so [] is not eval, it is unquote < 1302307935 886818 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said is happy, but that should not be relevant except the program? If you just want to make it happy, you can make anything else, too. < 1302307995 397055 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1302308007 924363 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written some Bohlen-Pierce musics recently but I do not have it available right now sorry < 1302308031 621379 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: ? Stop cheating please ??? < 1302308051 949452 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: start english please? < 1302308053 78697 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302308117 149071 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you play Bohlen-Pierce musics too? < 1302308253 601162 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Toon guide < 1302308253 819564 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only made Bohlen-Pierce musics with no more than one note played at one time, so far, because I don't know how to make chord and stuff like that with Bohlen-Pierce musics. < 1302308273 305395 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, it's *an* eval. and yes, i missed a close } < 1302308366 235770 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{let {{a b} a} -> {let {{a b} a} ... [{let {{a b} [a]}] -> b < 1302308380 806968 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :thatsnotenglish < 1302308395 882359 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the snazzy part comes from that session where oerjan and cpressey were abusing Haskell < 1302308441 147250 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still looks like unmatched < 1302308447 818958 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, when the snazzy was in the happening < 1302308483 659345 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[{let {{[{let {c a} c}] b} [a]}] -> b < 1302308491 235054 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless i missed a } in there too, i keep doing that < 1302308499 378121 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN OTHER WORDS < 1302308507 158859 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gather that's quite the something-or-other < 1302308508 377652 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :symbols can be expressed < 1302308559 980620 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bizaaro! Bizaaro! Bizaaro! < 1302308577 276157 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pizzaro? < 1302308592 476303 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION expresses symbols < 1302308671 848444 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvW-ZGNjBYc < 1302308726 287953 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1302308858 403896 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i have to remember enough haskell to implement it < 1302308958 542664 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expr ::= bareword | "{" Expr Expr "}" | "[" Expr "]" < 1302308960 641556 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks right < 1302308962 638057 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ish < 1302309098 301235 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello Parsec my old friend < 1302309098 852642 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :right ish != right < 1302309121 858719 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've come to talk to you again < 1302309152 843778 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :about a parser so soft creeping, bla-bla blah parser something-something < 1302309412 741258 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you threw me there for a minute < 1302309527 475513 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't be bothered figuring out the proper lyridcs < 1302309552 742676 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I'm pretty sure you can make something completely coherent about parsec parsers to that tune < 1302309565 756525 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :as coherent as such talk could ever be < 1302309643 915945 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hark bark flark flrgblk < 1302309656 938774 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :flglrlrk < 1302309668 476417 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You can't spell 'Parsec' without 'arse'" < 1302309687 56742 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't appear to have it installed though, what is this craziness? < 1302309690 695242 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spell parsec using my brain and my hands < 1302309809 880865 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe with some kind of flatulence input method you could do it with your arse < 1302309820 733104 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh do I have to install the damn thing with cabal < 1302309822 359110 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whines < 1302309825 618936 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION WHINES < 1302309840 585934 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the opposite of hawking's computer thingy < 1302309854 499782 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, stop the whining < 1302309881 838846 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: with Cabal or with cabal-install? < 1302309911 467866 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I do wonder why I'm talking at you < 1302309912 86575 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not cabal, trying: sudo apt-get install libghc6-parsec3-dev < 1302309918 121968 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, why is that? < 1302309923 486347 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue < 1302309933 809308 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm awake and have nothing better to do perhaps? < 1302309942 907860 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :under this nick, I'm like elliott but even more obnoxious < 1302309953 993596 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*are* you elliott? < 1302309961 142603 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1302309961 778269 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1302309963 890925 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am. < 1302309970 588872 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :awe kay < 1302309974 881063 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: we can't be seen together from now on < 1302309984 534233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"roger that" < 1302310059 197925 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will have to re-evaluate your existance based on these new facts < 1302310070 947029 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reëvaluate < 1302310103 414530 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as will I < 1302310123 785873 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :good! it will do you none < 1302310160 883895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302310312 751890 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1302310313 876153 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PART :#esoteric < 1302310343 391022 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : *are* you elliott? <-- hm probably not "+ ZOMGMODULES (~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) has left #esoteric" < 1302310364 381845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, "catseye" < 1302310370 186268 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a user name of "catseye" is not exactly hard to fake < 1302310375 255518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, indeed < 1302310391 969223 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have no idea where elliott would connect from < 1302310492 498990 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ [ZOMGMODULES] (~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net): Chris Pressey. whois fails badly. on the ip < 1302310499 168608 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can get that ISP is based in US < 1302310528 755391 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :whois fails on any subdomain to sbcglobal.net < 1302310535 1203 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sense you're making: scant if at all < 1302310536 564971 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302310544 959353 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, heh < 1302310545 109515 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :me sleep < 1302310545 889040 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER HEARD OF HIM < 1302310556 878714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you *do* act like elliott however. < 1302310594 85589 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, cya < 1302310601 793874 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT-ZOMGMODULES: "HIM" is (I believe) some kind of pop music < 1302310782 278180 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what. Ads in whois result < 1302310790 135629 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from the registrar, but still..) < 1302310811 891662 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harmony In Motion < 1302311633 662706 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have mini repl. seems to be behaving as i expect < 1302311705 420717 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I need to implement the actual hard parts of the evaluator < 1302311745 541829 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D'oh, definitely need a photon tracer >_> < 1302311747 123272 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO SLOW < 1302311751 361785 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO INEFFICIENT < 1302311754 526741 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO ... necessary. < 1302311801 479625 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mainly because I can't figure out how to invert that if the photons are of normal orientation but the viewer is reoriented :P < 1302311885 49307 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohwait, yes I do 8-D < 1302311890 284554 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, raytracing it is :) < 1302311901 340338 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Going backwards in time) < 1302312394 708398 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what are you trying to do? < 1302312407 679956 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants there to be a raytracer that does relativity < 1302312439 962684 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : CONSIDER: A machine that allows you to "reorient" yourself relative to the physical and temporal dimensions, so that one of the physical dimensions becomes time, and time is experienced as a physical dimension. < 1302312459 446943 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: there is one. I remember seeing images it made, in the 90's. < 1302312484 134361 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, isn't that something like that in black holes, or is that a common misconception, or am I misremembering something I recently read? < 1302312499 576741 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That's just intense time dilation. < 1302312580 707741 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302312589 193876 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.photon.at/~werner/bh/gvsim.html < 1302312592 68053 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanna go inside! < 1302312600 289908 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I want to make my own! < 1302312607 702278 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to write a raytracer ... maybe there's one that doesn't suck that I can modify ... a lot ... < 1302312635 195153 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :POV-Ray sucks? (Is POV-Ray open source?) < 1302312646 669123 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that I can modify a lot" < 1302312651 73038 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :POV-Ray does WAY more than I need for this. < 1302312653 290258 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is huge. < 1302312664 489585 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :modifying someone else's raytracer implementation, always a great way to kill a week or two or ninety-five < 1302312665 733900 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that guy ever opened up vivid < 1302312667 45703 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw screw it, I've written ray-tracers, I can write another one X-P < 1302312707 665654 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, vivid? < 1302312721 953898 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vivid was a ray tracer I used back in the ms-dos days < 1302312736 343885 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was much faster than pov-ray at the time and had better quality < 1302312754 735599 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was closed < 1302312837 13390 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Stephen Coy, Christopher Watkins and Mark Finlay co-authored a book < 1302312837 668521 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : on Ray Tracing called "Photorealism and Ray Tracing in C". < 1302312837 818522 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Distributed free with the book was an example ray tracer called BOB. < 1302312863 477510 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is, for what I need, I need a HORRIBLY broken raytracer :P < 1302312878 114502 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, broken? < 1302312879 272360 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1302312893 115717 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, unless you mean broken in that your modifications mess with it < 1302312929 315673 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm essentially using a raytracer as a backwards photon mapper, but I have to maintain the actual time it takes for photons to get to their destination (as opposed to a conventional raytracer which considers light to be infinitely fast) since time is a physical dimension. < 1302312946 184551 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"maybe there's one that doesn't suck that I can modify" ...vs... "I need a HORRIBLY broken raytracer" < 1302313036 984046 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"doesn't suck" in the "is relatively modular and modifiable sense" < 1302313043 378498 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, modifying a good one into this nonsense would be better. < 1302313092 737950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302313116 838074 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like you'd be better off starting from scratch hehe < 1302313154 14971 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, wait ... argh ... since the photons you're perceiving aren't themselves reoriented, all you would actually see is identical to if you were just slowly moving in one dimension ... < 1302313181 182743 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to add polarization as well? < 1302313200 347922 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be useful to do so? < 1302313259 240042 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm not sure, but considering my mind can barely comprehend what I have already, I don't want to :P < 1302313276 934824 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... reoriented light, standard orientation observer. *brain axplotes* < 1302313381 361650 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simplified, what you see at any given instant is all the photons that hit the point in spacetime represented by your eye at that instant. The fact that the movement of this point is along a different axis than everything else is wholly irrelevant, photons are still photons. < 1302313459 410827 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's ignore for a moment the fact that the photons are, from your perspective, immobile, and so probably imperceptible >_> < 1302313496 887827 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also let's ignore the fact that if photons are immobile, NOTHING makes sense. < 1302313514 51639 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make it so the angle of the switching between time and space dimensions can be anything < 1302313565 261450 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't make any difference, now you're just /slowly/ experiencing time while sliding /slowly/ in one dimension. < 1302315073 759748 :augur_!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302315105 923376 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302315197 864224 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm essentially using a raytracer as a backwards photon mapper, but I have to maintain the actual time it takes for photons to get to their destination [...] <-- wouldn't this just be the length of the ray? < 1302315840 330377 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started writing a raytracer once but never finished it... < 1302315935 902131 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(x=0:100){for(y=0:100){r=Ray(x,y);c=black;for(o:scene)if(r.intersect(o)){c=white;break};plot(x,y,c)}} < 1302315951 846279 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just spend $100 of his dad's money < 1302315954 245817 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty much it. well, you have to implement the Ray class, and objects and stuff < 1302315959 446096 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um.. well, my dad spend it, I guess < 1302315971 663243 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he's expecting me to pay him back.. which I will, I guess < 1302316055 981066 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all my objects were spheres, and it's pretty easy to tell when a line has intersected a sphere... hey so why did I never finish it? < 1302316060 463966 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT-ZOMGMODULES: That is the length of the ray, but remember that time is now a /location/, I thought (incorrectly) that I had to distinguish the parts of the ray corresponding to frames in the animation. < 1302316064 966863 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what'd ya buy? < 1302316083 412076 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT-ZOMGMODULES, sponsorship of Grandroids < 1302316098 637660 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm a bit torn about that extra $25 just to get a thank you in the credits < 1302316327 651715 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1508284443/grandroids-real-artificial-life-on-your-pc < 1302316377 429918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302316399 976182 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi elliott. I just spend an extra $25 on something just so my name would be included < 1302316407 386013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT-ZOMGMODULES: hi < 1302316423 876729 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1302316428 874935 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: TOO MUCH MONEY DERP < 1302316436 274828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1302316468 447454 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sgeo just bought real artificial life. I think this makes him a slave owner? < 1302316481 934828 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION SEES WORLD VERY CLEARLY, VERY VERY < 1302316493 755544 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I own a cat. < 1302316495 702991 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHE IS MY SLAVE. < 1302316512 687511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT-ZOMGMODULES: absolutely < 1302316522 89613 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you don't torture your cat the way I've tortured norns before... < 1302316524 408433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :after what he did to norns, how is he still allowed to adopt virtual life? < 1302316539 902607 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that how you treat your slaves affects whether they're slaves or not... < 1302316653 700075 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1302316663 475722 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I inflicted actual pain only on a very few < 1302316677 43078 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually it's death or blindness or the like < 1302316947 877852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:55:56: you *do* act like elliott however. < 1302316948 792832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's low < 1302316953 449329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't say anything like that ever < 1302316955 641544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even to my worst enemy < 1302316988 467417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:30:07: I don't want to write a raytracer ... maybe there's one that doesn't suck that I can modify ... a lot ... < 1302316993 345645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Dude, raytracers only take a couple thousand of lines :P < 1302317006 776561 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not writing it. Upon further thought the result would be really boring. < 1302317012 535673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...why? < 1302317027 318896 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme copy my quote from above ...' < 1302317043 321994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's obvious what the result would look like, but it's still a useful intuitive tool. < 1302317049 510234 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Simplified, what you see at any given instant is all the photons that hit the point in spacetime represented by your eye at that instant. The fact that the movement of this point is along a different axis than everything else is wholly irrelevant, photons are still photons. < 1302317070 68115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...well duh, don't simulate PHOTONS with the same reorientation. < 1302317072 54910 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All you would see is time frozen as you slide slowly along one axis. < 1302317083 224251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're meant to pretend you have a magical camera that works by magic. < 1302317085 173274 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, this is unreoriented photons. < 1302317087 974352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1302317090 590527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about reoriented photons. < 1302317101 265113 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's precisely like looking at somebody reoriented while you're not. < 1302317117 532745 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't think that how you treat your slaves affects whether they're slaves or not... <-- what if you free them? OMGZEN < 1302317146 350910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes... the point is that the WHOLE SCENE is reoriented :P < 1302317158 615811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is important, because that's what the reoriented view of a 3D reorientation game would look like. < 1302317207 310592 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, fine, I'll write it :P < 1302317220 814073 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302317242 262450 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302317291 990060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh, and make sure it can do colours separately of all the photon mess... so that you can identify objects in the scene when reoriented X-D < 1302317398 112186 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, assuming that photons from your perspective are immobile, and that you carry a lightsource with you through the machine, there's an excuse :P < 1302317409 440456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Wut? :P < 1302317420 950251 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For why there are reoriented photons to see. < 1302317424 90292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right :P < 1302317435 699572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: btw an IRL one of these things is possibly the most disturbing machine i can imagine < 1302317441 973828 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-D < 1302317446 622289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the idea of some... repeated carpet... < 1302317453 510697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1302317457 962097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :an atom-thin slice of carpet < 1302317460 625852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeated < 1302317461 889818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :euuurgh < 1302317489 91882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also, AFAICT, in a still-in-normal-world scene, when you reorient, everything would start moving towards you :P < 1302317508 35738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: EXERCISE: Figure out what the fuck happens when a reoriented person collides with what is in non-oriented-world a normal wall. < 1302317521 662371 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The universe explodes. < 1302317544 817407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: A PERFECT IRL machine would do it at the quark level though. < 1302317553 628882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So basically, you go through the machine, and emerge in a world without any complete, proper atoms. < 1302317563 947150 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YOUR MOM WOULD DO IT AT THE QUARK LEVEL < 1302317583 736859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S THE ONLY WAY ANYBODY _CAN_ DO IT WITH YOU < 1302317588 250220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYTHING ELSE AND THE SCALE'S ALL WRONG < 1302317643 633994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm totally nightmare-fueling about this machine now :P < 1302317700 960005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For Time—in its relativity, brutality and absurdity— is one of "Friday"'s great targets. In an instant day passes to night, and the realism of the bus stop gives way to a surreal blue-screen panorama of a full moon and false city running on loop as Ms. Black rides in the convertible, apparent-heiress to the grand American tradition of high school cruising, that curious space birthed by Cold War highways (themselves relics of our atomic fears < 1302317701 110091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) in which teenagers first experienced themselves as such." < 1302317702 152497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theawl.com/2011/03/arms-so-freezy-rebecca-blacks-friday-as-radical-text < 1302317755 677616 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i have decided... < 1302317760 514205 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"onanistic recursion" < 1302317784 850144 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i, i, i < 1302317798 476084 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i have decided to change Bizaaro-Pixley in several ways < 1302317833 685091 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it now looks like this: *[*let [[a b] *a]] < 1302317842 413873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT-ZOMGMODULES: wow, now it's even more like Nock! < 1302317853 251320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :may I suggest replacing * with ' for maximum consuion < 1302317855 464283 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooperfishilly < 1302317867 188719 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :' for eval, huh < 1302317870 576986 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be ironic < 1302317872 180719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and [] with () < 1302317877 915629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :'('let ((a b) 'a)) < 1302317881 788704 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OUCH < 1302317883 755509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDD < 1302317890 996629 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps, perhaps < 1302317894 76077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Can't Believe It's Not Lisp < 1302317913 365529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT-ZOMGMODULES: or no no no wait < 1302317915 12574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] with )( < 1302317920 508548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :')'let ))a b( 'a(( < 1302317924 352832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful < 1302317931 161589 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nug < 1302317938 915809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1302317943 306757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace * with ( < 1302317948 635266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :( with ' < 1302317952 75391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ) with > < 1302317969 855117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :('(let ''a b> (a>> < 1302318021 385899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"New engine sends shockwaves through auto industry - 3.5x more efficient, doesn't require cooling system, transmission, or fluids" < 1302318022 829932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or energy. < 1302318025 90285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a driver. < 1302318029 164072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or matter. < 1302318056 66225 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it discloses to you this one weird old tip to shed belly fat < 1302318066 642200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :discovered by a mom? < 1302318077 190593 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a WORK AT HOME mom, yes. < 1302318084 742905 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302318104 522731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from UNBIASED NEWSPAPER < 1302318107 601981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Advertising website < 1302318120 267471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :acai berry! it works so cheap! as seen on fox news! < 1302318127 659110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok let's stop this before it gets out of hand < 1302318532 725039 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We have a dangerous mission ahead of us." "I understand ... get the ship's counselor." < 1302318748 378196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes, before a dangerous mission it's important to get some... therapy... < 1302318770 858384 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ST:TNG :P < 1302318817 671028 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've improved it: "We have a dangerous mission, lives are at risk. Assemble an away team." "Counselor, doctor, you're with me." < 1302318818 826453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I WAS TRYING TO IMPLY THAT TROI IS ONLY ON THE BRIDGE BECAUSE PICARD ET AL. FIND HER SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE AND ALSO HAVE RELATIONS WITH HER ON A REGULAR BASIS UNDER THE GUISE OF "THERAPY" < 1302318831 355514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, happy now that we've thrown british subtlety out of the window in favour of american sledgehammering? < 1302318850 292818 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: NUH UH IT'S BECAUSE SHE CARRIES THE RANK OF A LIEUTENANT COMMANDER FOR SOME NEVER-EXPLAINED REASON < 1302318871 311402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Because she commands all the crew's... lieutenants... < 1302318873 129668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORRY < 1302318887 937489 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... perfect :P < 1302318890 510429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*leftenants < 1302318902 597752 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's still spelled lieutenant < 1302318909 467892 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*spelt < 1302318911 434363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHUT UP < 1302318914 201954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE CANADIAN < 1302318915 926866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT WOULD YOU KNOW < 1302318922 107523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :leftenant (plural leftenants) < 1302318922 592884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :An archaic spelling of lieutenant. < 1302318922 742945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA < 1302318930 305634 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "archaic" < 1302318938 695453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL I'M A CONSERVATIVE < 1302318939 508521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BITCH < 1302318955 486797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i wonder what force of logic allows lieutenant to be pronounced in the uk way < 1302318979 946413 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the canadian way. that force of logic is called FRENCH < 1302319010 294562 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quebecois, thankyouverymuch < 1302319032 515177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it's still spelt "fag" < 1302319033 609587 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: they gave the reason for lt com.. she got involved with picard before.. she gave favors, she got favors < 1302319036 4551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1302319040 177735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still spelt "french" < 1302319043 817845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno which is more offensive/funny < 1302319063 60803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: you mean this is CANON? 8D < 1302319083 727443 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all, I'm making it up :P < 1302319102 569583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's fake canon < 1302319105 586043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10x better < 1302319109 291713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(AKA fanon ;D) < 1302319120 279034 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm pretty sure it was canon that they had some kind of relationship inthe past < 1302319131 490573 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, no :P < 1302319173 580969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any evidence to suggest picard hasn't had sex with everyone on the enterprise? < 1302319175 180771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think not < 1302319176 323561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :discuss < 1302319200 602335 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think picard is into male klingons < 1302319211 651371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that's not evidence against < 1302319218 233320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one, there is no evidence he ISN'T into male klingons < 1302319218 789911 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they're into him BA-DUM < 1302319226 818593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :two, you can have sex with people you're not attracted to < 1302319230 675901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :evidence discounted < 1302319243 790138 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: occam's razor; evidence readmitted < 1302319251 17655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: uhh < 1302319253 472771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: this is star trek < 1302319260 422476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :occam's razor is disproved on a weekly basis < 1302319261 784611 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jack later served aboard the USS Stargazer under Picard, and the couple became good friends with the captain. Picard later admitted he had fallen in love with Beverly, but did not ever express his feelings because he felt that doing so would betray his friend. <---- lies.. they totally f***ed < 1302319266 306182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :evidence rediscounted < 1302319356 379161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1302319357 83233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i win < 1302319512 373638 :joojii!~stevecase@76.91.108.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302319672 492926 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no; that discount isn't valid in that sector after 3:00 AM < 1302319687 781120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: fuck you, i'm a bear < 1302319831 905609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1302319833 429104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight :) < 1302319845 163721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i'll talk wrt normish tomorrow < 1302319847 925483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1302320901 339345 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302321510 518446 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302321614 403330 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302321658 937904 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it fine enough measurements if the space factors are in different units that 40 is the normal space value instead of 1000, and where 255 is the maximum? < 1302321729 361394 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302321906 449842 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302321939 446772 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302322585 301132 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to see the pre-6th-edition rules of Magic < 1302322593 934310 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do vaguely remember Interrupts < 1302322606 638460 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes they did have Interrupts, which are no longer used. < 1302322635 709127 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are various things about the rules (any editions) which I do not like, although there are many good rules, too. < 1302322657 398840 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as, I do not like they removed mana burn. < 1302323172 334589 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not even know if this still works in the modern rules: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Magic_The_Gathering_card_deck_of_programming_language < 1302323375 500213 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know this? < 1302323438 252922 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302323605 965156 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, the body of the first concept wasn't yours? < 1302323608 717213 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mindboggles < 1302323662 221421 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was my idea, but I did not write most of the text on that page. < 1302323760 440950 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1302323854 120131 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to write a program which estimates values of chess pieces by calculating the resistance between every pair of cells on the board. < 1302323883 220666 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :resistance? < 1302323932 820950 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the resistance, in ohms. < 1302323947 19980 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it is stragne but it is an experiment I can try. < 1302324097 493650 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302324613 27637 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302325064 800387 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302325306 596589 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302325612 676082 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a good way to compress very short strings of english text? < 1302325638 390271 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, how short do you mean? < 1302326560 597532 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302328222 281957 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shorter than the original message < 1302328285 377440 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302328538 547439 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know which ways are best. I suppose usually English text consists of letters and spaces, and some punctuation, and some letters/punctuation are less common than others. There is also combinations that might be more likely or less likely than others. < 1302328769 209263 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think prime numbers are of any use in estimating values of chess pieces? < 1302330564 64063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302331165 884988 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1302331272 314374 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302333330 54296 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1302335461 669707 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302335580 480859 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302335584 673230 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1302335633 341833 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi!!!!! < 1302335669 719727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi... < 1302335676 113798 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1302335691 527016 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi zzo38, ais523 :-) < 1302335736 325270 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, do you have anything else to discussion or do you want for something else to be typed? (In case of the second way, you might look at recent logs in case you are interested in it) < 1302337174 172927 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a few new dev boards and is trying to figure out how to do something useful with them. < 1302337322 1557 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of dev boards do you have? < 1302337493 392040 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arduino, Minimus, Maximus, Altera Max, eZ430, ST7, TI Launchpad, Micropendous3 < 1302337568 77322 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trouble with the Minimus and Maximus is they're also used for PS Jailbreak, so most of the stuff I find online is about Jailbreak :-( < 1302338776 419585 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302338941 168961 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302339374 215246 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, hm, what are Minimus and Maximus then? It seems strange to me some random development boards would be used for jail break. < 1302339396 515333 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean the words are used? < 1302339413 102654 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the dev boards are used: http://minimususb.com or http://www.teensy.co.uk/Maximus-AVR-USB-v1.2-inc-Case/c17/index.html < 1302339436 678655 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, what would make them more fit for jail breaking, as opposed to other boards? < 1302339512 80545 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No sure. They're pretty cheap and built into a USB stick < 1302339545 315512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, for a development board that sounds impractical. *opens browser to look at how many IO pins they have* < 1302339606 62164 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, wait what, the latter link has AVR in the page and also PIC18F4550 < 1302339608 740473 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm confused < 1302339632 616453 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minimus appears to have access to all pins. Maximus 1.0 only has access to a few. Not sure about Maximus 1.2 (which is still in the post). < 1302339676 294518 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one confused me too... I'll open it up when it arrives! Maximus 1.0 is definitely AVR. Maximus 1.2 isn't really clear :-) < 1302339716 361731 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, for sake of sanity I hope it isn't PIC! Though I only programmed PIC12 series. I guess PIC18 series is not quite as bad < 1302340596 215036 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1302340850 911855 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302340987 765704 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302341275 382402 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : occam's razor is disproved on a weekly basis < 1302341293 596327 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you are saying that you are discounting occam's razor as not being the simplest explanation? < 1302341947 723421 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302342008 961798 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott TV TROPES INSANITY CONTINUES: I swear they've started filtering out swearwords. < 1302342009 289278 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1302342271 904070 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: TI also has one built-into-USB-stick MSP430 series devel-board, https://estore.ti.com/EZ430-F2013-MSP430-USB-Stick-Development-Tool-P800.aspx < 1302342333 814426 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The "more information" page says it has "14 user accessible pins"; here's a pic: http://focus.ti.com/graphics/tool/ez430-f2013.jpg < 1302342386 269497 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That F2013 chip is quite a small one.) < 1302343007 743239 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Erdős may instead be exemplifying the “Lazarus Effect’: according to this list he has published 34 papers since 1999. Allowing 2–3 years as a typical upper bound on gestation for a journal paper, this would seem to indicate a fair bit of effort since his death in 1996." < 1302343017 46541 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://rjlipton.wordpress.com/2011/04/08/why-is-everything-named-after-gauss/) < 1302343065 404429 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it must be someone else with the same name or using a pseudonym < 1302343114 806674 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : (That F2013 chip is quite a small one.) <-- quite. < 1302343115 866315 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would _guess_ it is people adding his name as a joke, because of erdős numbers < 1302343134 167180 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could be it, too. < 1302343157 580940 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the papers might still be based on his work, perhaps < 1302343188 386046 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is. < 1302343451 100800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I have to say I'm more used to huge development boards, where you have hundreds of pins for various purposes around. < 1302343461 341694 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a F2013 here. < 1302343583 698026 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gaussfacts.com/random < 1302343625 457588 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: especially for you ^ < 1302343789 819679 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Those tend to cost a bit more, too; I guess the cheapest end ones tend to be rather spartan. < 1302343825 32817 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1302343839 576710 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I mostly used development boards at university. < 1302343858 374552 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, often with fancy debugging over JTAG interfaces and what not < 1302343952 957820 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol: http://youtu.be/-jm942TrsK4 < 1302344357 899473 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302344416 554771 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DSP devboards we had were rather on the large side, too. Well, at least compared to these microcontroller boards. http://www.spectrumdigital.com/product_info.php?&products_id=100 is one of them. < 1302344730 140420 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads today's iwc and recalls doing the exact opposite of that < 1302344737 219085 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*iwc annotation < 1302344811 96746 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, crumpling foil wrapper to turn it into little "crystal" balls < 1302344849 411849 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this obviously means i must be dmm's secret nemesis. < 1302345247 834759 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@62.119.155.253 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302345343 420773 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302346501 700444 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302346529 190749 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302346658 631099 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302347036 766403 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gauss classified the finite groups. When he was finished with the simple ones, there were none left." < 1302347038 419025 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302347281 503094 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gauss has an Erdos number of -1." why isn't there a gauss number < 1302347375 599374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused, because I almost certainly have an Erdős number, but don't know what it is < 1302347401 551087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, when I loaded up Character Map to copy-paste the ő, I found it was already selected so I didn't have to go look for it, which is nice; I must have had to type Erdős before) < 1302347492 228894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, most dev boards I have seen had sockets for various different CPUs from the same family. I think I saw an AVR one that had like 14 or 15 different CPU sockets on it. < 1302347498 235452 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ṏ < 1302347500 525956 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1302347552 444976 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the pinouts are usually the same, it's just that the packages differ in size < 1302347573 477661 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'll have like concentric pinouts on the pcb where the leads go straight through the pads < 1302347706 787101 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there are websites that give you an upper bound < 1302347759 932937 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302347761 658914 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find the 14-socket one atm, but this one is also pretty impressive in terms of number of IO pinshttp://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.kamami.pl/published/publicdata/BTC10/attachments/SC/products_pictures/stk600.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.kamami.pl/index.php%3Fukey%3Dproduct%26productID%3D46340%26did%3D34%26view%3Dprintable&usg=__XDa0lEfhhT8nIvazCos8fF5LX2I=&h=275&w=300&sz=37&hl=en&start=0 < 1302347761 989571 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :&zoom=1&tbnid=gvJX_07o7Jp2fM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=135&ei=bj-gTar3LYrZtAa1kPCVBw&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSTK600%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:unofficial%26biw%3D1556%26bih%3D667%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=289&vpy=332&dur=292&hovh=215&hovw=235&tx=86&ty=103&oei=bj-gTar3LYrZtAa1kPCVBw&page=1&ndsp=32&ved=1t:429,r:17,s:0: < 1302347764 138448 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh the url < 1302347768 864136 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it that long... < 1302347785 471273 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, here is a direct link: http://www.kamami.pl/published/publicdata/BTC10/attachments/SC/products_pictures/stk600.jpg < 1302347806 125313 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302347923 792959 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1302347930 170039 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ? < 1302347963 900306 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The TV Tropes So Bad It's Horrible pages have fanfic divided into *7* alphabetical subsections. < 1302347998 688473 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.atmel.com/dyn/products/tools_card.asp?tool_id=2735 is not quite the 14-socket one either. But it has a respectable 8 CPU sockets. I used that one at university. I have no clue why it has two of each size of CPU socket. Possibly for dual-CPU development? < 1302348010 563733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the output ports are not duplicated... < 1302348130 318164 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gauss can get to the other side of a Mbius strip. < 1302348283 738874 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gauss can comb Poincar's hairy balls" what :D < 1302348297 379429 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you get that, surely? < 1302348298 907549 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I got that one too. < 1302348303 881106 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get it < 1302348308 784425 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by "got" I mean "received from the random-lister page". < 1302348324 310162 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was kinda < 1302348333 621028 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was kinda oko. < 1302348347 358600 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're all about hairy balls, aren't you? < 1302348351 615031 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i agree, it was kinda stupid < 1302348362 541850 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i love balls < 1302349115 608473 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be webpages like that gauss thing for more specific topics < 1302349181 269714 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.5.18/20110319140258] < 1302349304 22168 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gauss can construct a nonplanar graph such that no subdivisions of K_5 appear as a subgraph, and every subgraph that is a subdivision of K_{3,3} has itself a planar embedding < 1302349526 588791 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gauss can construct a subset S of 1^* such that for every problem L subset {0, 1}^* for which there exists a nondeterministic turing machine A and a polynomial p such that L is exactly the set of words w for which there exist an accepting run of A of length p(|w|), there also exists a function g in FP such that u is in S if and only if g(s) is in L < 1302349531 171283 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1302349546 224781 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :last thing is backwards < 1302349573 470919 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.., there also exists a function g in FP such that s is in L if and only if g(s) is in S < 1302349609 939610 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's a stronger theorem than i proved yesterday but if you look at the proof you note that S doesn't actually need to be in NP) < 1302349629 26086 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it yesteryesterday < 1302349687 931934 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: Insanity is the best policy. < 1302349734 339726 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should make my own gauss page, drop gauss and call it "false things that are close to a true thing" < 1302349739 539749 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hilarity would ensue < 1302349840 93895 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i suppose they should start with an existential quantifier (replacing the current gauss quantifier "gauss can X") < 1302349859 412628 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you have a clear impossibility you can laugh at < 1302349872 430782 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a single totally crazy object like that S there < 1302349994 670587 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i have to escape this heated discussion before it becomes a flamewar < 1302350041 29128 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302350068 347459 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302350073 308428 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Changing host < 1302350073 458779 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302350156 494262 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate you guys < 1302350188 438373 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: come play mangle the theorem with me < 1302350488 106106 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gauss can construct an algebra with underlying set S and a unary operation * such that there exist elements e != f such that both e and f are identity elements with respect to * < 1302350809 879853 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, off to Venice. < 1302350822 381413 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302350827 103731 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1302351011 71397 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :klop: how does he do it? < 1302351040 284558 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how should i know < 1302351073 257557 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as the proof that it's impossible takes about 10 characters < 1302351086 476 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i guess 6 < 1302351337 405363 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wenn man auf einem Taschenrechner 707 eingibt und den Taschenrechner umdreht, erscheint das Wort "LOL". Addiert man dann zu diesem "LOL" ein weiteres, dann ist das Ergebnis "hihi". < 1302351344 451348 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1302351356 28175 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny < 1302351369 798833 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my algebra joke was funnier though < 1302351402 665432 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i didn't realize it was a joke, i thought it was really truth for some very odd definition of "algebra" < 1302351416 182006 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no usual definition < 1302351428 663555 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :operation = * has type S x S -> S < 1302351457 622707 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :* :: (a, a) -> a ? < 1302351458 389084 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :e identity = e * x = x * e = e for all x in S < 1302351471 194795 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are a in there < 1302351479 249419 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :S is the underlying set < 1302351508 535650 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a \in S. < 1302351521 234882 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously (S, S) -> S would be an operation on sets < 1302351525 756452 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, intersection. < 1302351564 853780 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just assumed you used (A, B) notation instead of A x B, it makes more sense < 1302351569 674669 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but okay < 1302351572 317910 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the answer is no < 1302351585 192279 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would (a, a) go to a? < 1302351611 851946 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: because multiply(x, y) has two parameters and one result. < 1302351636 855428 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and yet multiply(a, a) is not necessarily a < 1302351651 682128 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when gauss does it < 1302351682 663580 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://learnyouahaskell.com/types-and-typeclasses#type-variables < 1302351708 602699 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a read from a website i helped create, it has nice pictures. < 1302351752 855523 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you did mean SxS by (S,S) < 1302351770 644147 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a was just S < 1302351802 341780 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, a is the type of elements from S. it is not S. < 1302351817 531818 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have different meta-data. < 1302351827 33383 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in mathematical notation you would say S x S -> S < 1302351832 90013 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to have an artificial difference, of course you can have that, but there's really no need for that. < 1302351854 245367 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need, but i'm just telling you why i denoted it differently < 1302351885 920762 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302351887 624332 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1302351922 999953 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, yes, * :: (a, a) -> a, where a is the type of elements of S < 1302351926 148585 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what a binary op is < 1302351961 428503 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer to think of it as a subset of the cartesian product of S^2 and S such that each element of S^2 has a unique image < 1302352084 73082 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean well-defined binary operator < 1302352095 813515 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean a fucking function from S^2 to S < 1302352110 79125 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's not well-defined it can yield results that are not a, or not be defined at all < 1302352113 14050 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is fun sometimes < 1302352131 458707 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also is a fucking function like an orgy in a church with candles and stuff < 1302352135 109406 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1302352141 13472 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that sounds fun too < 1302352144 674692 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhuh. and i guess it could also be an elephant given the right isomorphism. < 1302352153 556540 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302352157 712328 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1302352321 373776 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, they say a good scientist can take a single dot on a blackboard and extrapolate it into an elephan < 1302352322 1666 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1302352369 90429 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gauss can extrapolate it into a mastodon < 1302352726 443175 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :riemann can extrapolate it into a mouse < 1302353500 381449 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1302353646 26047 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@62.119.155.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302355605 327924 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302355615 206000 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302359031 132610 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302359656 664798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302359724 344894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:06:52: is there a good way to compress very short strings of english text? < 1302359724 503374 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1302359726 592691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huffmand < 1302359728 793605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*huffman < 1302359729 56694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1302359730 81325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or similar < 1302359847 350302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:27:55: occam's razor is disproved on a weekly basis < 1302359847 533694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:28:13: so you are saying that you are discounting occam's razor as not being the simplest explanation? < 1302359849 307070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302361476 611908 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302361583 931821 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302362479 666843 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how dare you insult Occam? :P < 1302362488 687186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: in the context of star trek < 1302362497 480278 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Go ahead, then. < 1302362506 339775 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have my blessings. Tentatively. < 1302362512 724881 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, elliott, guess what day it is! < 1302362515 673822 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's tomorrow! < 1302362515 824136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel strangely... blessed, somehow. < 1302362521 282727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Wow!!!! < 1302362526 784450 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jump on an altar and see if it's true. < 1302362533 42526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone is here... in the future! http://everyoneishereinthefuture.com/one.html < 1302362597 131244 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: nope, I checked. It's still today < 1302362632 331279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone is... no longer here... in the past. < 1302362634 905872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Nobody is < 1302362638 11738 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: but today is Friday (speaking in terms of yesterday), meaning today, Saturday, must be tomorrow. < 1302362646 126455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Sunday comes after. < 1302362665 558280 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sunday: the most extreme day of the week. < 1302362675 932697 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why made this? < 1302362699 623599 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: are you speaking of a person known as Why who seems to have made something? < 1302362715 377549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes. < 1302362728 71897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: "Why" is an abbreviation for "why the lucky stiff". < 1302362735 936460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The this in question is Everyone is here... in the future! http://everyoneishereinthefuture.com/one.html. < 1302362750 716079 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but the question _also_ sounds like a weird grammatical ... oddity < 1302362809 964137 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, he's the guy that made that poignant guide to Ruby. < 1302362813 185998 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What in Jebus' name < 1302362820 434602 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: WHY < 1302362825 50406 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is he trying to make a point, or just smoking a lot of pot? < 1302362845 98098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Everyone is here in the future! < 1302362886 702813 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: < 1302362892 388823 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone is here in the future EXCEPT FOR WHY < 1302362894 409332 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lololol < 1302362914 379293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He just SKIPPED AHEAD INTO THE EVEN FURTHER FUTURE < 1302363195 280599 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302363658 152901 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302363840 439036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://www.tenshu.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/2007-07-29-terminator-02-large21.png <-- GUI screen :P < 1302363913 731993 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS < 1302363941 799286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://www.tenshu.net/terminator/ < 1302364026 95299 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLOWEST LOADING PAGE EVER YESSSSSSSS < 1302364287 305156 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there version control systems where the changesets form a category (a cs is an arrow)? < 1302364358 299817 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darcs? < 1302364478 544019 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i was thinking of something else < 1302364488 25596 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically of being able to reach any combination of changesets < 1302364656 668232 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :like say you'd take any set of changes, and it would generate code that is valid < 1302364688 457644 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it wouldn't do much (e.g. define functions which don't get called) but it would still be correct code that does what you want it to (hence you only selected those changesets) < 1302364763 237961 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is pretty much the goal of darcs's theory of patches < 1302364766 359607 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1302364781 118178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the goal of darcs' theory of patches is to look reasonable if you don't look too closely < 1302364819 868723 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: cool, how is that different from e.g. what bzr does? < 1302364892 61156 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know bzr, so I don't know < 1302364936 461670 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302365144 377327 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but git stores files instead of changesets, so the idea doesn't really arise < 1302365154 906390 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah git is stupid < 1302365243 776036 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Understanding_Darcs/Patch_theory < 1302365305 809472 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri796Hx8las < 1302365338 357784 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :question "plz compare hg to perforce and are you gonna use hg?" answer: "at google we are unique in that we have one giant repository for everything." < 1302365500 754343 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That ... is unique. < 1302365501 116802 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: reading, thanx < 1302365511 581207 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302365511 891440 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yeah, lol. < 1302365523 820029 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: THEY NEED SCAPE🐐 < 1302365525 417323 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: probably the worst google talk i've seen. < 1302365533 434207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What, patch theory? < 1302365541 153626 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Google < 1302365555 972708 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh yeah, you have cheater00 blocked, don'tcha :P < 1302365557 167445 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: and they don't seem to have sandwiches there, which they had on all talks i've been to < 1302365601 579642 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: THEY NEED 🐐 SANDWICHES < 1302365607 279180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gamwiches. < 1302365700 949082 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: that looks really cool < 1302365732 790865 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: but what if i have one changeset A which defines s_list, and another which adds pasta to s_list < 1302365740 864289 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: that one is called B < 1302365756 689813 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: and i ONLY apply B. will that define s_list with the sole element of pasta? < 1302365769 490058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: HMPH < 1302365814 421576 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what is this unicode character you are using? < 1302365817 738588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, 🐐 <-- whoa, that shows up as [01F410], which is quite a bit longer than usual. What is it supposed to be? < 1302365866 878868 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: too slow! :p < 1302365867 29240 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :🐐 regrets your inability to render him. < 1302365909 259626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, point me to a font that has it. < 1302365919 612647 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that I could get on linux < 1302365994 644690 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: To my knowledge there is no font that supports it yet, but it is in Unicode so nyaa. < 1302366009 585885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, so you can't see it either? < 1302366018 378848 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, so what is it supposed to be? < 1302366026 471058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's GOAT. < 1302366040 891602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My 🐐 has a 🐐ee. < 1302366051 338091 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302366106 10113 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, gogling for it turns up nothing relevant. Only a handful hits. And in all cases it is memory addresses or MAC addresses instead. < 1302366109 130904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, so wtf < 1302366140 252890 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, which unicode version should I look in for this? < 1302366140 403009 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your refusal to support the new era of Unicode GOAT disappoints me. < 1302366156 123293 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, wait, is this from the private use area? < 1302366173 357 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... no, that's not part of Unicode X_X < 1302366178 599866 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1302366187 905418 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, is this in version 6 or version 7? < 1302366190 449322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f410/index.htm < 1302366193 594481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :second google result for "unicode goat" < 1302366198 628879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal is either a liar or can't type two words < 1302366233 861885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I googled for 1f410... (and U+1f410 and so on). Weird I got no hits on that < 1302366240 38428 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what it's worth, it's also the first result for "u+1f410" < 1302366289 185031 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I typed an extra zero at the start. Which should be equivalent. And was how text rendering showed it here (probably rounds up to even number of hex digits) < 1302366324 409894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, are there other animals around that code point or what? < 1302366326 359321 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it find the page if you search without the zero? < 1302366327 415356 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's certainly not Google-equivalent. < 1302366339 120077 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's a zodiac sign. < 1302366352 654627 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, yep it finds it then < 1302366356 77581 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, aha < 1302366410 204495 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f3e9/index.htm <-- another zodiac sign < 1302366451 982028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, that's an emoji < 1302366454 113272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1302366553 379863 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1302366556 880293 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was born under that sign. < 1302366687 159601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor was also born in the Year of the Whorehouse. < 1302366691 978892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Chinese Year < 1302366864 312558 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's "love hotel" < 1302367041 369766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No, love hotel is the zodiac sign, silly. < 1302367510 257646 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3O3UHSGLng < 1302367560 486666 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302368265 432169 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302368550 246523 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302368648 163583 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1302368688 339880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1302368708 817517 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'day < 1302368709 470695 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1302368716 708688 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1302368717 393015 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 2h 20m 36s ago: Is blatant, persistent lying a bannable offence days? < 1302368738 273060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1302368741 430972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even remember typing that < 1302368746 475506 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. that's not even grammatical. < 1302368776 645488 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders if _someone_ didn't know that lambdabot could give messages in public < 1302368820 694549 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively it _could_ be that the message is self-referential < 1302368839 203520 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's assume the latter for the peace of the channel. < 1302368906 468073 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PART :#esoteric < 1302368958 295422 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1302368963 95037 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho hum < 1302368963 531288 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1302368968 575520 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1302368968 963664 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lying_scum said 29s ago: Yes, that may be so. < 1302368983 746263 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: looks like lambdabot is easy to fool < 1302369012 309016 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(possibly leaving the channel before changing nick was excessive) < 1302369050 94518 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i also wanted to check that lambdabot accepted privmsges outside the channel, so no. < 1302369118 465063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1302369391 589139 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote [After a long monologue] i think i have to escape this heated discussion before it becomes a flamewar < 1302369395 366695 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :357) [After a long monologue] i think i have to escape this heated discussion before it becomes a flamewar < 1302369480 779560 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1302369673 727547 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302369699 594594 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302369762 562335 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you think fogcreek could be a good place to work? < 1302369792 86605 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so now, how about a game of mangle-the-theorem? < 1302369872 98514 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. < 1302369876 698687 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302369881 301726 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love you < 1302369887 500315 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1302369893 423731 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were answering cheater00 weren't you < 1302369895 413852 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1302369907 311232 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sheds tear < 1302369909 693496 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't even notice his message actually < 1302369913 886906 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1302369920 588727 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love you < 1302369921 81352 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302369931 603179 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i could play with you :p < 1302369938 565462 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes he pinged me but somehow my brain assumed that was just the "haha" message i'd already read < 1302369951 339695 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i have no idea what fogcreek is < 1302369967 770824 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1302369969 88206 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1302369981 825268 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302369990 741666 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1302369993 441772 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :joel spolsky? < 1302369996 264605 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :joel on software? < 1302369998 600701 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack overflow? < 1302370001 887323 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fogbugz? kiln? < 1302370011 71477 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i know the first three there < 1302370016 184350 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is that his firm? < 1302370021 29622 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302370034 40435 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i posted a link to their "work for us" ad < 1302370051 544226 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3O3UHSGLng < 1302370067 113043 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm definitely not the person to ask, anyway. < 1302370079 502101 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1302370086 717689 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty hard to find a nontrivial one that fits in an irc message < 1302370096 486846 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they said "hey oerjan, come work for us" would you do it? < 1302370108 806487 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlikely. < 1302370119 465064 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if it means going to the US < 1302370129 932696 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we have a professor spot opening afaik < 1302370173 596376 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: say their offices were in a big city near to where you live < 1302370180 860088 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: would that change anything? < 1302370199 884031 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't _really_ know who they are, beyond presumably running stack overflow. < 1302370219 60625 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am also not really a programmer. < 1302370231 294940 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you then? < 1302370251 380250 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my education is mathematics. < 1302370257 445548 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so's mine < 1302370392 894569 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if they needed a mathematician < 1302370470 770913 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1302370480 82072 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the fuck do you "need" a mathematician :D < 1302370541 967669 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, say you're doing something like realtime and need some differential equations solved < 1302370551 209267 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or need someone to help you implement a kalman filter < 1302370567 333135 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or need someone to tell you how to optimize your search algorithm < 1302370802 525078 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my former coauthor rustad did manage to get a job in the oil industry, i think he's mostly doing numerical simulations < 1302370844 587263 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like to make a complaint about the use of "manage" in that sentece < 1302370846 745219 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sentence < 1302370875 749921 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, as someone with mainly math education < 1302370894 929452 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he did take a few courses on petroleum simulation though) < 1302371007 777164 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i don't see what's wrong with that "manage" < 1302371110 658182 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well i'd've rephrased "had to get an inferior job at some stupid oil thingie" < 1302371120 488046 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :managed sounds like he actually wanted to < 1302371135 27753 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1302371149 719430 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah he did sort of give up on staying at university < 1302371177 915389 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there weren't enough openings < 1302371305 58369 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sad that the society tries to force even the intelligent people to do meaningless shit < 1302372326 529807 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302374589 557348 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1302375411 686157 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1302375704 316031 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302376940 911145 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://placekitten.com/ < 1302377699 654972 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302377824 680765 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1302377908 621607 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302378909 736157 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://software.jessies.org/terminator/ < 1302378919 263562 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i almost thought elliott had been involved in this < 1302378922 783153 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out its elliott hughs < 1302378923 608371 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothurd < 1302378929 327599 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hird < 1302379097 510851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302379107 276446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i've actually used terminator and some other software by him. < 1302379112 417030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(evergreen, lwm) < 1302379121 729501 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE SKYNET IS YOUR FAULT < 1302379133 437995 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YOU AHVE MAGIC D: < 1302379146 335533 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, hey dude < 1302379191 556449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: pls make http://esolangs.org/wiki/%E2%84%92 less ugly and unreadable < 1302379200 839170 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that < 1302379204 971048 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(less ugly) and (unreadable) < 1302379210 118612 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or less (ugly and unreadable) < 1302379224 932293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :latter < 1302379226 976209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1302379233 257061 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just making sure! < 1302379243 76067 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never know if you want your wikis like your programing languages < 1302379275 483143 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302379327 988405 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302379476 334925 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS NOT UGLY. < 1302379550 999703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1302379559 339752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the paragraph spacing is all off because of the line height being off < 1302379562 559598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of subscripts and superscripts < 1302379578 69028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see first two paragraphs in computational class section < 1302379582 204157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you like my new user page < 1302379585 101674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:ehird < 1302379612 603897 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: RECENT DIFFS ARE KIND OF HARD TO READ < 1302379615 841554 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@62.119.155.253 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302379626 700402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that's pretty < 1302379633 553336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: here's the lowdown: FUCK HTML < 1302379635 805722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1302379637 190380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more precisely < 1302379639 768376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK MEDIAWIKI'S IDEA OF HTML < 1302379646 980016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION expands his invention list < 1302379682 161200 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: will you be reinventing the web? < 1302379696 660196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: what, in @? < 1302379772 395351 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@62.119.155.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302379776 755378 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@62.119.155.253 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302379817 719415 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking html is actually a good idea < 1302379864 597896 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(said he, noticing that tim berners-lee has just signed on to freenode.) < 1302380019 560360 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@62.119.155.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302381032 129996 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1302381095 976537 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302381105 60409 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1302381225 622888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I fear you're overusing [[Category:Shameful]]; the more things it's on, the less the impact < 1302381257 371826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's my language! < 1302381276 209887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if I didn't mark it shameful I'd have to commit seppuku or something < 1302381286 900168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT OK FINE YOU WIN < 1302381344 119861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Category:Shameful]] was funnier when it was only on one language < 1302381409 890054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, it's hard to argue it doesn't belong on FURscript < 1302381437 104398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and, errr, it looks like the author of BrainFNORD added it to theirs < 1302381452 925265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if people are adding it to their own langs, what is the world coming to? < 1302381455 394956 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :furscript, a language for furries? < 1302381493 953812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll remove it from brainfnord, it's only as shameful as Ook! < 1302381506 234837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PH's brain-bricking is sufficient punishment for that, we don't need it to be marked shameful too < 1302381511 142040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: it appears to be just a list of random commands < 1302381541 456031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how every time i edit my user page it completely clogs up recent changes < 1302381544 465174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE AIS523 BROKE THE PREVIEW BUTTON < 1302381579 676610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i've produced the best nesting of html tags ever < 1302381579 826870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it triggers on attempts even to show the source code, though < 1302381583 269728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b > i > u > a > font < 1302381602 901142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: erm, just clicking to edit the page doesn't, I don't think? < 1302381616 226663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does if you have preview on edit turne don < 1302381617 602437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*turned on < 1302381623 238306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well turn it off then :D < 1302381627 135969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on a wiki like Esolang, it's normally a very useful feature < 1302381717 426043 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, too late to back out of paying $100 < 1302381769 773301 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : BECAUSE AIS523 BROKE THE PREVIEW BUTTON <-- what! < 1302381775 930017 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats ais523 -----### < 1302381789 577895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I didn't break it, I changed it so that it was impossible for a page to change the entire edit interface < 1302381801 956797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which prevents ehird's page breaking everyone else's attempts to edit it < 1302381817 254997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*my < 1302381829 718740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody else uses that feature :) < 1302381852 861906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I just realised calling you ehird there was not a mistake but technically correct < 1302381860 29379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the user page belongs to ehird < 1302381864 570235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if the IRC persion is elliott < 1302381872 761613 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :persion = person version < 1302382046 947668 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um so previewing other pages won't clog up recent changes? < 1302382059 218211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: previewing any page doesn't clog up recent changes < 1302382063 101176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even elliott's < 1302382080 498242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference is that elliott's page no longer replaces the entire interface when previewed, and he claims that's broken as it doesn't look like he wants it to look then < 1302382138 597884 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so it's only that he cannot see the result properly without saving < 1302382300 190598 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : well turn it off then :D <-- that's a personal preference, which i incidentally _do_ have set < 1302382373 717145 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol: < 1302382376 651275 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_%28Programmiersprache%29 < 1302382427 788229 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"E, the secure distributed pure-object platform and p2p scripting language." < 1302382841 592035 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when is E a scripting language? < 1302382882 23484 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: what are you like as a person < 1302382913 61787 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCRIPTVM EST < 1302382992 133671 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: "what are you? like a person?" yes, I'm very similar to a person :D < 1302382998 403293 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :È SCRITTO < 1302383005 774304 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so I like to believe, anyway < 1302383034 559101 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :point of fact: < 1302383036 142065 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you seem to have made a tokenization error < 1302383048 215384 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :worfs first language (maybe second, but certainly native) was almost certainly belarussan < 1302383073 286065 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah, thought it was funnier tokenized my way, so I retokenized it < 1302383090 551049 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: YOU MISSED A WORD < 1302383121 117037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : the difference is that elliott's page no longer replaces the entire interface when previewed, and he claims that's broken as it doesn't look like he wants it to look then < 1302383127 538207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: umm, to clarify, it looks NOTHING like the result < 1302383132 409170 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, I removed it < 1302383133 548033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would be fine if it just showed it and then the edit view < 1302383138 951746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it just turns into a mess < 1302383149 423882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah so it's only that he cannot see the result properly without saving < 1302383150 639461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302383475 780376 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://demos.sonivoxmi.com/sonicimplantssoundfontenstrings.mp3 <-- I'm trying to decide if this demo reel is good enough to be worth dropping the money on the soundfont ... < 1302383488 307031 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see < 1302383502 258559 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ... not great ... but for strings, not terrible. < 1302383522 494988 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like a really nice DOS game theme song < 1302383560 699052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The strings sound a bit artificial to me. < 1302383565 761391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'd be amazed if they DIDN'T. < 1302383583 590231 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strings are a bitch X_X < 1302383621 78037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much does the soundfont cost < 1302383623 759937 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION throws some "" at Gregor < 1302383636 89826 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$49.95? < 1302383653 403590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Converting from Gregor-money that's like 3 cents, go for it! [UNICODE TROLL FACE] < 1302383722 932302 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I heard that some people at the acoustics lab are dabbling with physics-based string instrument synthesis. I have no idea how good their things are; probably not very. They might not have any demos available. < 1302383741 862531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, better than the state of speech to text. < 1302383744 302718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;DDDDD < 1302383763 270523 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have a kantele synthesis thing, which I guess is pretty obscure. < 1302383788 650599 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No new papers on that after 2005, so I guess it's not an active project.) < 1302383804 939419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah well. More active than speech-to-text. < 1302383826 212372 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Research and synthesis of the tanbur, a traditional Turkish long-necked lute, the ud, a short-necked arabic lute, and the Renaissance lute." < 1302383866 359715 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the finnish can't ele < 1302383950 443840 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had a guitar remade to be more ud-like < 1302383993 718120 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you mean karplus strong synthesis? < 1302384020 285785 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: what did they change? < 1302384084 192826 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :switched the neck to rosewood, removed the frets, filled the slots with something, polished it < 1302384112 688650 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, normal uds have shorter necks relative to the body size, and double course strings < 1302384126 491711 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh, flatwound strings from now on, to reduce wear on the neck) < 1302384138 620734 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a stratocaster copy < 1302384274 821435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdfghjkl < 1302384361 171434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He left the site for a few days in October 2008, following a bitter feud over whether the Spanish Inquisition constituted British comedy." < 1302384443 622322 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see how that is an oud < 1302384448 64300 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a fretless guitar? < 1302384460 516441 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :flatwounds are fun < 1302384465 477303 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't sound so nice tho < 1302384492 913197 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole spanish institution was just a british joke that got very out of hand < 1302384498 564286 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*inquisition < 1302384505 726713 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: it is more like an oud now than before, though < 1302384509 737488 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats his hands -----### < 1302384518 969660 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: I play a lot of jazz, so flatwounds fit in that style < 1302384524 877383 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the rosewood make so much difference? < 1302384560 35488 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maple isn't good on fretless guitars < 1302384584 4333 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a fretless guitar is immediately an oud? :p < 1302384587 579232 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1302384590 577527 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does get much closer < 1302384610 935966 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought a defining thing for the oud was the thick neck < 1302384613 117342 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :instruments aren't really a discretely classifiable all the time < 1302384634 400213 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: I think rather something more physically accurate, or at least more complicated; but I don't really know what they've done. Short description for the latest kantele paper says: "Two algorithms for simulating tension modulated strings (e.g. kantele strings) are presented: a spatially distributed waveguide model and a finite difference model. The waveguide model is essentially the same as below, whereas the finite difference model uses time-domain inte < 1302384634 589294 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rpolation for modulating the wave velocities. Stability issues for both models are discussed." < 1302384648 211534 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some classificcations, what's considered distinct for ouds is picked strings + fretless < 1302384676 101422 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not very common - ouds and shamisen, basically? < 1302384683 267645 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sounds like karplus-strong to me < 1302384699 796366 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, i read waveguide as waveshaper for some reason < 1302384700 469531 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nm < 1302384703 22156 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the shamisen is distinct by having cat- or dogskin < 1302384732 870130 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is the skin used? < 1302384744 424898 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no, fretless instruments are not uncommon < 1302384754 578431 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "below" refers to: "Nonlinear kantele strings are modeled using a waveguide string with spatially distributed fractional delay filters. When the delay time of the fractional delay filters is varied, tension modulation nonlinearity can be simulated." So I guess it's sort-of related in any case. < 1302384782 314557 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: most fretless are bowed, though < 1302384790 834402 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the distinct thing about the oud < 1302384821 281259 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the shamisen is a bit like a banjo: it's stretched around a frame < 1302384838 453336 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bridge rests on the skin < 1302384887 148583 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :plucked fretless insturments are more common in the far east < 1302384983 862140 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok right < 1302384992 667602 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ya they are < 1302385021 454167 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :my recent musical instrument discovery was the nyckelharpa < 1302385041 118304 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are cool. < 1302385058 156499 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah my buddy is an expert on those < 1302385068 946691 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's got like a zillion cds on them < 1302385083 577587 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he lent me one, he said i'm not so bad for someone who never held a bow in his life < 1302385158 109684 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently I am practicing a lot of microtonal sales < 1302385160 404726 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*scales < 1302385170 441936 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nyckelharpas are microtonal < 1302385171 697238 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302385182 204889 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302385194 780642 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: that's up to how you tune them, no? < 1302385195 769503 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really.. with fretless.. you're mostly doing glissandos, and listening to the beats between your voicings and other people's < 1302385197 35883 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1302385202 904523 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't tune nyckelharpas. < 1302385212 468759 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have fixed scales. they're sort-of fretted. < 1302385216 5659 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but < 1302385218 990159 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the strings < 1302385226 229997 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you tune those to pure fifths or somesuch? < 1302385227 315010 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's only one right way to tune the strings < 1302385243 163635 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :EDAE or something like that, i don't remember < 1302385247 33224 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, are the fixed scales just intonation? < 1302385257 200127 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1302385272 459498 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has keys, a keyboard, you can't re-tune a single key < 1302385297 715164 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well like < 1302385300 997273 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the keys *pre-set* < 1302385308 980375 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1302385309 130513 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be just-intonationish? < 1302385312 398012 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1302385316 530859 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not necessarily < 1302385329 651726 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the harpa you have, there's no exactly single set standard < 1302385342 488357 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't even a single standard for the keyboard, which is a problem in its own right < 1302385343 731576 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by them being microtonal then? < 1302385353 428946 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you learn a fingering technique on one and it doesn't work on another one < 1302385371 748044 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that they have tones in steps smaller than the semitone < 1302385379 910273 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1302385386 745098 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so roughly how is that scale constructed? < 1302385388 844861 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my definition of microtonality < 1302385403 491199 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I include any thing that is not exactly 12-tet in microtonal music < 1302385405 60773 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ti dunno < 1302385415 922440 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's just traditional < 1302385427 733529 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because like, even if you have quartertones, the usual use of those in music that has them would be the neutral second < 1302385428 885123 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know those things already existed in the 14th century < 1302385435 387207 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you seldom actually use the quartertone < 1302385462 645651 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it microtonal then? < 1302385475 248950 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the main non-standard step is three quartertones, not one? < 1302385481 621246 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes it's not 12 tone equal temp < 1302385487 449308 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but like < 1302385490 403865 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 7-tet microtonal? < 1302385496 968519 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not equal temp < 1302385507 444330 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is an equal temperament < 1302385510 341511 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's some weird wacky tuning i don't know < 1302385514 974428 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it is < 1302385519 442287 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the harp < 1302385520 459534 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1302385522 993346 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nyckelharp < 1302385526 448536 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah those aren't equal temp < 1302385538 948528 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :equal temps were basically only theoretically known until the 19th c. < 1302385548 384973 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when we got the technology to actually tune them < 1302385562 289615 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302385589 807191 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, re: microtonality, there's a bunch of good just-inotnation intervals outside of 12-tet that sound good in rock and blues and jazz and so on < 1302385594 93409 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the seventh harmonic is one of those < 1302385608 173970 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about a sixth-tone flat from the dominant seventh < 1302385646 230531 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know i find with fretless it's less important to think about scales < 1302385651 993850 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more important to think about clusters < 1302385663 989906 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :clusters? < 1302385671 546013 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's basically a way to put your fingers < 1302385674 514953 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302385675 272497 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that they support eachother < 1302385679 656602 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd never use that term like that < 1302385684 583732 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you repeatedly can hit the same intervals < 1302385699 491975 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I normally use it to signify stacked second-chords) < 1302385709 537247 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302385711 525589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302385715 788445 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm mostly talking out of my ass :D < 1302385723 673664 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i might be using the term wrongly < 1302385734 651867 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :scales decompose into parts, though < 1302385737 378307 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like, if you're doing fretless, you end up doing a lot of small glissandos anyways < 1302385738 413579 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :stacked second chords? < 1302385742 127283 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one can learn to repeat a bit like such "clusters" < 1302385756 395597 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what you get if you strike your hand down on a piano on keys that are next to each other < 1302385759 148039 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like AHC#D#F < 1302385766 157485 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the important bit is to quickly hit a sonorous or discordant chord quickly < 1302385766 320605 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1302385769 362801 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1302385819 313393 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a while I actually had my guitar tuned so I'd easily get clusters < 1302385827 515489 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with full on dist, it was a pretty neat thing < 1302385836 629776 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :could work out nice in some avant-punk style < 1302385848 637737 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my tuning is A Eb A Eb A Eb A < 1302385876 303883 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously? < 1302385879 367997 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302385884 377302 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1302385893 534106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302385894 736577 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes ower chords a tad awkward < 1302385900 18187 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the best i've come up with < 1302385904 326855 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1302385906 713723 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are ower chords < 1302385912 113639 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*power chords < 1302385913 63973 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're like power chords < 1302385914 605180 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my p-key sucs < 1302385918 147336 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with one finger less < 1302385921 794460 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my k-key too < 1302385925 74263 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used AEADGCF previously < 1302385926 999463 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1302385946 365499 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: i just use A Eb A chords < 1302385949 924681 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly < 1302385963 902706 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what styles do you play? < 1302385984 895683 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing currently, but hopefully starting a new project soon < 1302386000 509683 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what styles interest you, then? < 1302386021 613398 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK-JiyDbp7E here's my current favorite band prolly < 1302386044 785512 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1302386051 243259 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly that stuff. < 1302386053 413566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is potatoes < 1302386084 682036 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I understand why you'd tune your guitar in tritones < 1302386093 84678 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i also like playing simple stuff < 1302386124 979234 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have considered switching to a seven-string string-set on my guitar, because the high e sounds a bit too muffled now < 1302386125 536550 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: it's not guaranteed we'll get it to work even for metal, but i like trying crazy things. < 1302386221 890572 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to introduce some microtonal harmonies into all kinds of genres. < 1302386231 906832 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but another dream I have is to arrange a lot of death metal classics for big band < 1302386244 992233 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and vice versa, arrange a lot of swing classics as death metal < 1302386259 190847 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should do it with black metal instead and just wait for the death threats < 1302386274 980357 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd love to hear faceless played with something like an orchestra < 1302386293 645729 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing some metal bands have of < 1302386298 952274 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing things with a classical orchestra < 1302386308 308086 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I find it somewhat pretentious, and I don't think it sounds that good, ultimately) < 1302386312 463905 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be fun doing that with a big band instead < 1302386330 538417 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or math core with a woman's choir < 1302386340 785229 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*women's < 1302386341 111387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302386342 128705 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing faceless with a classical orchestra would be nowhere close to what metal people do with orchestras < 1302386361 601363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use an orchestra you aren't allowed to use guitars of any kind < 1302386366 434206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :them's the rules < 1302386378 268420 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually considered for a while to try and get a band together that'd do like < 1302386408 115532 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :relatively complex three-voice (or even four-voice) arrangements of metal songs < 1302386409 94589 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASzIvMddyxA <<< the squeak thing the guitars keep repeating here, consider 3 violins playing a high cluster < 1302386410 962112 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmmm < 1302386429 561629 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, some angel dust-era faith no more and that kind of style < 1302386434 671795 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with three or four female vocalists < 1302386474 604560 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what sucks, any attempt to combine metal and classical < 1302386484 253286 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302386486 732005 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even worse < 1302386489 125543 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people fawning over it < 1302386497 123336 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the metalheads that think "metal is the new classical" < 1302386507 791743 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in a sense it is < 1302386507 966958 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not - one fucking rule: parallel fifths, man! < 1302386512 576066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jazz is the new metal < 1302386516 809890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISCUSS < 1302386518 780875 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: what sense would that be? < 1302386533 519475 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the sense that metal is where the interesting stuff happens nowadays < 1302386540 706075 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really. < 1302386547 953853 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interesting stuff happens in far underground places. < 1302386550 272231 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in every genre. < 1302386557 770181 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i suppose < 1302386558 294083 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the sense that it's one of the few remaining genres where people are interested in technical ability < 1302386584 701337 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's melody-based, roughly < 1302386587 634067 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: yeah but throughout common practice, parallel fifths were banned, and common practice is still pretty important a guideline for what to consider properly classical < 1302386595 597192 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: no, that's bullshit < 1302386598 860633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1302386602 162566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :define classical :P < 1302386609 140571 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :parallel fifths are like the rule about not ending a sentence with a preposition < 1302386614 145075 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a real thing < 1302386619 74755 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sure, they do occur < 1302386619 759861 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in metal < 1302386623 576391 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are the fucking bread and butter < 1302386626 411423 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :of every fucing song < 1302386627 165107 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1302386632 218270 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in metal they're part of chords < 1302386638 231777 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like they're part of chords everywhere else < 1302386639 443504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not really relevant is it < 1302386640 726947 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1302386645 211005 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :_voice leading_ < 1302386645 872895 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that in metal there's nothing else in those chords :) < 1302386646 194482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this prescriptivist detail differs, THERE IS NO RELATION!!!!" < 1302386652 719714 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in metal, there's no voice leading < 1302386659 617574 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or very primitive such < 1302386668 976887 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in much classical, too < 1302386684 587014 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you should think of a power chord as one voice < 1302386689 817964 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but the metalheads that fawn over it < 1302386690 33390 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not two separate parallel voices < 1302386694 29292 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :compare metal to the great masters < 1302386695 209116 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's what it sounds like < 1302386697 17539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tripped over my power chord < 1302386698 743245 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to the hoi polloi composers < 1302386712 20095 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: and the reason why they're forbidden is that it sounds like one voice. < 1302386718 234362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that's the first time i've ever seen anyone actually wite hoi polloi < 1302386719 245081 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1302386729 315303 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: so? < 1302386735 768950 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool guitars: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXaIwvXa3SI < 1302386741 294851 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do sound like one voice < 1302386744 762448 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that bad? < 1302386766 937405 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bunch of organ voices play several notes an octave apart < 1302386768 381148 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: well my main objection really is that the metalheads that do fawn over how it's the new classical are just pretentious fucks < 1302386785 119224 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: every instrument has frequencies octaves apart < 1302386790 990812 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever tone you play < 1302386796 354587 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, same with fifths < 1302386798 195108 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : but another dream I have is to arrange a lot of death metal classics for big band <-- iiuc you'd have to change your nick to Sverdvoll then... < 1302386811 318895 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1302386861 138610 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: actually there's usually no overtone at the fifth < 1302386864 367479 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's at the fifth's octave, though < 1302386871 434865 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1302386874 184493 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't give a fuck < 1302386877 214196 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at the third's octave's octave, etc < 1302386890 424699 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i know is a power chord is supposed to sound like one thick sound < 1302386894 816007 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, the only thing metal shares with classical is fascination with technique < 1302386899 676293 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some classical had fascination with voice leading < 1302386916 485406 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's easier to find in pop music these days! < 1302386928 896530 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tho' it's probably most prominent in jazz) < 1302386979 220746 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/e < 1302386982 176447 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyone could find some reason to claim having inherited something from classical < 1302387485 385786 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302387669 169334 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" that makes ower chords a tad awkward" erm why? do you use all fifths or what < 1302387686 843914 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :power chords are easier with tritone tuning than with all fourths < 1302387707 683388 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah but if you want a full seven-string power chord, ... < 1302387716 188277 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not DADADAD < 1302387719 359640 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1302387723 292 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADADADA < 1302387758 27615 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like playing scales over fifth jumps, and i don't like having different jumps between strings < 1302387761 404739 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not smart enough for that < 1302387790 814175 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :could never really learn the guitar before i retuned it to all-fourths < 1302387794 234485 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1302387797 880335 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :slight exaggeration there < 1302387808 36843 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it always annoyed me < 1302387850 122207 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the G-H thing does help a lot with some chord voicings if you need them < 1302387864 643877 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1302387869 304421 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ... I wouldn't really need them < 1302387878 248529 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't do chords that much < 1302387883 896791 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have noticed sccales are more natural on the five-stringed bass than on a normal guitar < 1302387892 150269 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I do chords, I generally either play classical stuff or jazz < 1302387909 353358 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in jazz, you can play pretty minimalistic voicings < 1302387976 795160 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what voicings are < 1302387982 849253 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not in english < 1302388028 862841 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way you arrange the tones of the chord < 1302388034 577642 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1302388073 133881 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if you play a G7 in jazz, you'll prolly have a G (or a D), an F and a H < 1302388078 352077 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some order < 1302388081 151199 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing else < 1302388100 788005 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on the previous and next chords, and so on < 1302388123 735469 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :one common way of playing that would be 3x34xx < 1302388154 766107 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :altho' x534xx would intrude less on the bass territory < 1302388207 506283 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :xx34x3 could also work < 1302388222 512793 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :xx343x definitely works < 1302388239 508784 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm seeing a pattern here < 1302388251 556425 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a 3-subset of the chord! < 1302388286 327986 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :some just play the tritone < 1302388289 443093 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :xx34xx < 1302388302 10664 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's the most dissonant part of the chord, and hence the most defining part of it < 1302388310 185086 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure you can play almost anything in context < 1302388312 926324 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can do some substitutions < 1302388316 139425 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like < 1302388326 36248 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of a G7, you can play a C#/ < 1302388370 791137 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be xx342x < 1302388392 250274 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing stuff in C major? < 1302388411 513952 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, if we're in C maj, G7 ~= C#7 < 1302388416 231519 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just in general you can stick a C# in a G7? < 1302388428 4222 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the / was a typo < 1302388435 891066 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a song with the chord progression < 1302388444 432153 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :C Dmin G7 C < 1302388445 876916 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what sucks? jazz < 1302388446 894980 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can switch it to < 1302388451 721833 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :C Dmin C#7 C < 1302388459 680685 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you get a nice chromatic desscent < 1302388508 24402 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also probably switch the G7 to a G#min6? < 1302388583 775292 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dmin6 probably won't cover as a substitute dominant though? < 1302388634 937027 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess we can agree on all kinds of random shit sounding good < 1302388685 250846 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately it's far from random < 1302388694 85540 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jazz theory is a prescriptivist paradise < 1302388699 626112 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what kind of grammar modern treatments of harmony require to be expressed < 1302388706 927356 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ see < 1302388714 154470 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: jazz approach is far more descriptive than prescriptive < 1302388721 572557 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the jazz approach < 1302388740 596273 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone invents something and it sounds good? theorists will want to explain why it sounds good, and come up with a description < 1302388749 428875 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :others read waht he did, and learn from it < 1302388766 677835 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302388780 856286 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Play chess, where if player coughs, he loses one of his pawns. < 1302388784 601009 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah and they can all go fuck themselves. what a bunch of losers. < 1302388793 334411 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302388805 62344 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: I guess that's your business, to tell them that? < 1302388827 962721 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1302388841 653656 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm quite prescriptive in my approach to jazz < 1302388891 679628 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds better than the approach to music i've seen among the metal people i know, "just play whatever sounds good" < 1302388905 247199 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although lament loves that stuff because he's gay < 1302388916 832713 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounding good is just a distraction < 1302389015 843882 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what music should sound like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79rHMifBODs < 1302389033 80914 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAFTpLzMerw < 1302389091 860355 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1302389138 222858 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not getting it < 1302389148 68068 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the atmosphere tho < 1302389156 571779 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :would work in an elevator < 1302389171 750788 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the same musician has composed both of those) < 1302389178 416783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like poosician < 1302389208 562925 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different music should sound like different! Including, piano, organ, harp, computer, equal temperant, just intonation, Bohlen-Pierce, slow, fast, loud, quiet, major, minor, etc. < 1302389219 201889 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ words of wisdom < 1302389226 828372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favourite instrument is the quiet < 1302389245 317254 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favourite instrument is the shut the fuck up < 1302389250 314695 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the quiet is an instrument...? < 1302389286 3538 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quiet is the best instrument < 1302389288 195918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: can you set +m for a while, that would be awesome < 1302389288 928943 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if used sparsely < 1302389294 680247 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1302389295 783255 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Equal temperament is not an instrument either, although most musical instruments can be used with it. < 1302389298 505376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: my second-favourite instrument is the loud < 1302389309 16132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've made entire albums just by alternating quiet and loud < 1302389313 792229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO VERSATILE < 1302389327 667806 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sounds like a rather revolutionary approach to music < 1302389335 701009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: sometimes < 1302389340 305780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: i even play the MEDIUM VOLUME < 1302389346 253665 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought quiet and loud never existed in mixed ensembles? < 1302389346 730585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1302389356 753985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i'm feeling really avant garde < 1302389358 671274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i play the slow < 1302389366 263752 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is why you can use the pianoforte instrument to make an album that alternates quiet and loud, and even medium volume. (Commonly the pianoforte is called "piano" for short) < 1302389378 487368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMMONLY < 1302389383 966772 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the slow is old, though < 1302389386 454227 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the 80s < 1302389390 602376 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thrash musicians invented the fast < 1302389396 41353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1302389400 952257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think THRASH fuckers invented the fast? < 1302389405 490823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you really ARE a clueless moron < 1302389408 456894 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which they only used with loud < 1302389410 575021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :beethoven invented the fast in 1994 < 1302389426 114166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway fuck you all, i'm going to go play the just intonation < 1302389444 562102 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is my dick a musical instrument < 1302389462 665349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the just intonation is an euphemism for the penis < 1302389463 90362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiot < 1302389463 617236 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: blow it and tell us if it made a sound! < 1302389486 882888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favourite instrument is the minor < 1302389490 361709 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: do you play the fast with it? < 1302389496 69675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sound it makes when you blow it is just incredible < 1302389503 839117 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but those are illegal to riff on < 1302389519 575105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i even smash my just intonation into the minor to make some music < 1302389532 173770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one such piece i performed is titled "My Penis in A Minor", you can find it on the googles. < 1302389535 555151 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and playing licks on the minor gets you behind bars < 1302389536 46790 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny because he actually is a pedophile < 1302389543 327739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that is precisely why it is funny. < 1302389559 679023 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, he likes the girls on his class < 1302389568 337809 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302389572 556538 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you still 12? < 1302389575 784626 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :get it? he's like 12 < 1302389581 226160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: no, i'm now actually 11 < 1302389585 138422 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1302390263 228884 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i heard there's some overlap between bands who do heavy metal like what you linked, and dark psy < 1302390266 307143 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :funnily enough < 1302390277 885007 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's dark psy < 1302390278 800031 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because the tempo's the same and they're both scary-music genres < 1302390282 47086 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like uh < 1302390285 360783 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me link you to something < 1302390286 905966 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :scary-music genres? < 1302390301 516746 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the faceless mostly sings about aliens and space stuff < 1302390308 666993 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think they try to be very scary < 1302390334 89002 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqprNp2J1wQ < 1302390377 727587 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like the antifaceless. that's the faceful. < 1302390387 192854 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the faceless? < 1302390404 643380 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't the antifaceless be like the ... buttless? < 1302390432 304416 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the buttful? < 1302390467 968659 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0Cz2dFTlSA < 1302390532 73520 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most progressive thing i've found that i can actually understand < 1302390535 216157 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1302390548 336472 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that progressive, but then again i'm not very smart < 1302390555 520225 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.. < 1302390569 711224 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is fixed point with 64-bit values usually faster, or are floating point operations usually faster? < 1302390586 232865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't give equivalent results, so how can we compare? < 1302390602 655455 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think xor will probably be even faster < 1302390612 558389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think nop will probably be fastest of them all. < 1302390680 527612 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that faceless track is funny in a cheezy way < 1302390716 271342 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny? you must have some sort of braindamage < 1302390723 840862 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1302390725 428511 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant fun < 1302390729 247560 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not funny < 1302390729 397648 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay good < 1302390731 456630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate astronauts < 1302390735 266895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're so funny < 1302390741 975238 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, not brain damage, just past my bedtime < 1302390745 559897 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm very protective of my little facelessie < 1302390759 363284 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: faceless is FUNNY!!! < 1302390765 799689 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111eleven < 1302390780 802225 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(( < 1302390787 883559 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1302390802 311432 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>>>>:D < 1302390813 960290 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that song i just linked isn't really their best work < 1302390894 634574 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that why it's so funny :-\ < 1302390916 39385 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i should prolly listen to more stuff, but i have the same problem as with everything except math, i only listen to music because i want to *not* think for once, so i prefer listening to the same stuff over and over again. < 1302390933 684522 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's common enough < 1302390952 726282 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha same here < 1302390957 56932 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this issue.. < 1302390958 529717 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i mostly listen to < 1302390971 354443 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like, i started listening to operas lately and it's good braindead music < 1302390976 701041 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1302390980 230830 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure it is < 1302390984 662733 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :palestrina is a good one < 1302390995 827748 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :get it < 1302391005 536691 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i don't get it, can you explain < 1302391010 497265 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i did get it) < 1302391015 677668 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but i'm not sure i'll get it) < 1302391104 932311 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no sorry this is only for smart people < 1302391112 309054 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's a high-brow one for ya < 1302391132 508588 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry though i bet you'll be fine watching your eastenders and eating your cod n chippies < 1302391138 234951 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm very, very slow < 1302391140 936969 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my head < 1302391165 576194 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when others have gotten there i'm still like wait what < 1302391169 827467 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe one day you'll have a son who can only gain control of his left foot and will become a writer < 1302391176 836732 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you'll die of heart attack < 1302391190 715091 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even get that reference < 1302391199 315682 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"my left foot"? < 1302391213 974276 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :never seen that movie? it's a classic < 1302391222 683383 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah i've seen that on family guy < 1302391229 490819 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1302391244 780465 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :dot, dot, dot < 1302391253 241351 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so funny now that i know it's a reference to something < 1302391277 536533 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's a reference to christy brown, a real person. < 1302391288 421685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what's awesome < 1302391289 239204 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was his biopic < 1302391289 607428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :death < 1302391291 508950 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah don't care < 1302391296 123548 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: totally go for it < 1302391310 598814 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :real persons are even worse than movies < 1302391318 729326 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: make sure to send us a postcard from kerberos < 1302391323 143975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day i will make a film about oklopol < 1302391327 843983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he'll hate me < 1302391330 627603 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302391337 317604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it'll just be like < 1302391341 981080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :120 minutes of constant oklopol fanboyism < 1302391354 906803 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah but at least with real persons you don't have to rewind them after watching < 1302391355 470007 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :120 minutes of me ircing naked in my armchair < 1302391365 191975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that yes < 1302391374 77590 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: isn't that the same < 1302391389 328008 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i suppose < 1302391390 112496 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what better movie for oklopol fans than oklopol naked < 1302391397 836574 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :for ALL 120 minutes < 1302391408 173108 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've linked a vid of me playing the piano naked here once < 1302391409 190956 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting with the first second and ending with the last < 1302391415 401594 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, not even dressing out < 1302391419 726345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i watched that! < 1302391422 285385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1302391426 445975 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly < 1302391427 129666 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just.. naked < 1302391440 920095 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyways < 1302391478 520671 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i think there's some operatic heavy metal too < 1302391483 825041 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever listen to that stuff? < 1302391489 272803 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what? < 1302391497 965968 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was totally into nightwish as a kid (i still like it) < 1302391619 625317 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO7HvBLtt1g&feature=related this stuff < 1302391639 338028 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1302391645 199959 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a weird version but anyhoe < 1302391706 239359 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really "operatic" at all i suppose < 1302391756 972654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZSTG7Y8UKOPL < 1302391954 633814 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302392455 688606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That tswett character should be back now. < 1302392513 731251 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree < 1302392740 138267 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-63.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 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