00:00:20 zzo38: programs can also make you unhappy 00:00:35 Sgeo: Yes I know what you meant about APL's name, from the context. Yes I know you meant that. 00:00:46 zzo38, ok, sorry, wsn't sure 00:00:48 asnt' 00:00:49 wasn't 00:00:53 I FIND IT INTERESTING 00:00:56 * 00:01:16 cheater00: I suppose it can, but I am not intention to make the program of unhappy. The program is meant for its use. 00:01:25 Obviously, I am King of the Jews... erm, Typos 00:01:38 I find it interesting that every modern language's "Why X?" FAQ entry includes the rhetorical question "Does the world really need another language?" 00:01:52 zzo38: what i am saying is, when making a program always make sure to think of the user's feelings! 00:02:01 elliott: how would it ever have had any of my influences anyway? 00:02:01 ZOMGMODULES: apex's will instead include "Does this new language really need the world?" 00:02:09 "No. No it doesn't. We forced it into the world." 00:02:19 ZOMGMODULES: hey you exerted _vague_ influence :D 00:02:33 elliott, is apex the new name of @? 00:03:27 elliott: GOOD LUCK WITH APEX 00:03:40 ZOMGMODULES: is this some kind of horrid reverse psychology 00:03:41 the apex of naming 00:03:55 Ima designing Bizaaro-Pixley 00:04:00 (working title) 00:04:07 ZOMGMODULES: i guess i'll uh 00:04:07 hmm 00:04:11 what was that one thing you didn't want apex to do 00:04:14 i think i've forgotten :( 00:04:40 Allow apex to continue its non-existence? 00:04:47 Bizaaro-Pixley is: statically typed: has 'eval' instead of 'quote': has only pairs and symbols: has some other crap you'd never see in Scheme 00:05:03 -!- augur_ has joined. 00:05:04 how do you have a literal symbol? 00:05:05 ZOMGMODULES: What is Bizaaro-Pixley (other than that)? 00:05:09 elliott: too late for MY considered opinion 00:05:13 cons up a list of lists-representing-numerals and convert that? 00:05:24 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:05:28 a literal symbol is a bareword. a pair is: [hi there] 00:05:38 or maybe (hi . there), I dunno 00:05:58 let's go with 00:06:00 no 00:06:04 html will kill me 00:06:23 can't be [] because that's eval 00:06:33 ZOMGMODULES: {hi there} 00:06:40 -!- sftp has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 00:06:58 also, eval has syntax? perverse. i like it. 00:07:12 it has to because otherwise it sucks 00:07:17 Then use {} 00:07:33 for the purposes of demonstration I shall use {} but I am not sold on it 00:07:39 OK 00:07:40 -!- sftp has joined. 00:08:14 cheater00: Have you even *seen* my program? Otherwise how can you know? 00:08:39 zzo38: i never opined about your program 00:08:43 so: {hi there} evaluates to {hi there}. {cons {a b}} evaluates to {cons {a b}}. but [{cons {a b}] evaluates to {a b}. [{cons {[a] [b]}] does what you'd normally expect (cons a b) to do, in Scheme 00:08:51 except of the name, that is 00:09:16 THIS IS WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU SNUB QUOTE 00:09:17 cheater00: O, OK. But how can you judge the book by only its name? 00:09:48 zzo38: zzo38: i never opined about your program 00:09:52 ZOMGMODULES: Is the {} mismatched, or is supposed to be like that? 00:10:29 cheater00: Then how can you know if it is correct name? 00:11:00 zzo38: i can judge a book's cover without reading the book. 00:11:19 Yes you can, but how can you judge if it is the correct cover for that book? 00:11:35 have i ever said anything about whether it is the correct name for your program? 00:11:43 flrgbl 00:12:14 ZOMGMODULES: so [] is not eval, it is unquote 00:12:15 You said is happy, but that should not be relevant except the program? If you just want to make it happy, you can make anything else, too. 00:13:15 wat 00:13:27 I have written some Bohlen-Pierce musics recently but I do not have it available right now sorry 00:13:51 cheater00: ? Stop cheating please ??? 00:14:11 zzo38: start english please? 00:14:13 :D 00:15:17 Can you play Bohlen-Pierce musics too? 00:17:33 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Toon guide). 00:17:33 I only made Bohlen-Pierce musics with no more than one note played at one time, so far, because I don't know how to make chord and stuff like that with Bohlen-Pierce musics. 00:17:53 elliott: well, it's *an* eval. and yes, i missed a close } 00:19:26 {let {{a b} a} -> {let {{a b} a} ... [{let {{a b} [a]}] -> b 00:19:40 thatsnotenglish 00:19:55 but the snazzy part comes from that session where oerjan and cpressey were abusing Haskell 00:20:41 It still looks like unmatched 00:20:47 oh, right, when the snazzy was in the happening 00:21:23 [{let {{[{let {c a} c}] b} [a]}] -> b 00:21:31 unless i missed a } in there too, i keep doing that 00:21:39 IN OTHER WORDS 00:21:47 I gather that's quite the something-or-other 00:21:48 symbols can be expressed 00:22:39 Bizaaro! Bizaaro! Bizaaro! 00:22:57 *pizzaro? 00:23:12 * olsner expresses symbols 00:24:31 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvW-ZGNjBYc 00:25:26 awesome 00:27:38 now i have to remember enough haskell to implement it 00:29:18 Expr ::= bareword | "{" Expr Expr "}" | "[" Expr "]" 00:29:20 that looks right 00:29:22 ish 00:31:38 Hello Parsec my old friend 00:31:38 right ish != right 00:32:01 i've come to talk to you again 00:32:32 about a parser so soft creeping, bla-bla blah parser something-something 00:36:52 you threw me there for a minute 00:38:47 couldn't be bothered figuring out the proper lyridcs 00:39:12 though I'm pretty sure you can make something completely coherent about parsec parsers to that tune 00:39:25 as coherent as such talk could ever be 00:40:43 hark bark flark flrgblk 00:40:56 flglrlrk 00:41:08 "You can't spell 'Parsec' without 'arse'" 00:41:27 I don't appear to have it installed though, what is this craziness? 00:41:30 I spell parsec using my brain and my hands 00:43:29 maybe with some kind of flatulence input method you could do it with your arse 00:43:40 ohhh do I have to install the damn thing with cabal 00:43:42 * ZOMGMODULES whines 00:43:45 * ZOMGMODULES WHINES 00:44:00 like the opposite of hawking's computer thingy 00:44:14 meh, stop the whining 00:44:41 also: with Cabal or with cabal-install? 00:45:11 and I do wonder why I'm talking at you 00:45:12 maybe not cabal, trying: sudo apt-get install libghc6-parsec3-dev 00:45:18 yeah, why is that? 00:45:23 no clue 00:45:33 I'm awake and have nothing better to do perhaps? 00:45:42 under this nick, I'm like elliott but even more obnoxious 00:45:53 *are* you elliott? 00:46:01 um 00:46:01 YES 00:46:03 I am. 00:46:10 awe kay 00:46:14 elliott: we can't be seen together from now on 00:46:24 -!- elliott has left ("roger that"). 00:47:39 I will have to re-evaluate your existance based on these new facts 00:47:50 *reëvaluate 00:48:23 as will I 00:48:43 good! it will do you none 00:49:20 -!- elliott has joined. 00:51:52 oops 00:51:53 -!- ZOMGMODULES has left. 00:52:23 *are* you elliott? <-- hm probably not "+ ZOMGMODULES (~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) has left #esoteric" 00:52:44 olsner, "catseye" 00:52:50 Vorpal: a user name of "catseye" is not exactly hard to fake 00:52:55 olsner, indeed 00:53:11 and I have no idea where elliott would connect from 00:54:52 + [ZOMGMODULES] (~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net): Chris Pressey. whois fails badly. on the ip 00:54:59 but I can get that ISP is based in US 00:55:28 whois fails on any subdomain to sbcglobal.net 00:55:35 sense you're making: scant if at all 00:55:36 -!- NOT-ZOMGMODULES has joined. 00:55:44 olsner, heh 00:55:45 me sleep 00:55:45 NEVER HEARD OF HIM 00:55:56 you *do* act like elliott however. 00:56:34 olsner, cya 00:56:41 NOT-ZOMGMODULES: "HIM" is (I believe) some kind of pop music 00:59:42 wait what. Ads in whois result 00:59:50 (from the registrar, but still..) 01:00:11 Harmony In Motion 01:13:53 have mini repl. seems to be behaving as i expect 01:15:05 Now I need to implement the actual hard parts of the evaluator 01:15:45 D'oh, definitely need a photon tracer >_> 01:15:47 SO SLOW 01:15:51 SO INEFFICIENT 01:15:54 SO ... necessary. 01:16:41 Mainly because I can't figure out how to invert that if the photons are of normal orientation but the viewer is reoriented :P 01:18:05 Ohwait, yes I do 8-D 01:18:10 OK, raytracing it is :) 01:18:21 (Going backwards in time) 01:26:34 Gregor, what are you trying to do? 01:26:47 * Sgeo wants there to be a raytracer that does relativity 01:27:19 CONSIDER: A machine that allows you to "reorient" yourself relative to the physical and temporal dimensions, so that one of the physical dimensions becomes time, and time is experienced as a physical dimension. 01:27:39 Sgeo: there is one. I remember seeing images it made, in the 90's. 01:28:04 Gregor, isn't that something like that in black holes, or is that a common misconception, or am I misremembering something I recently read? 01:28:19 Sgeo: That's just intense time dilation. 01:29:40 -!- calamari has joined. 01:29:49 http://www.photon.at/~werner/bh/gvsim.html 01:29:52 I wanna go inside! 01:30:00 And I want to make my own! 01:30:07 I don't want to write a raytracer ... maybe there's one that doesn't suck that I can modify ... a lot ... 01:30:35 POV-Ray sucks? (Is POV-Ray open source?) 01:30:46 "that I can modify a lot" 01:30:51 POV-Ray does WAY more than I need for this. 01:30:53 And is huge. 01:31:04 modifying someone else's raytracer implementation, always a great way to kill a week or two or ninety-five 01:31:05 I wonder if that guy ever opened up vivid 01:31:07 Aw screw it, I've written ray-tracers, I can write another one X-P 01:31:47 calamari, vivid? 01:32:01 vivid was a ray tracer I used back in the ms-dos days 01:32:16 it was much faster than pov-ray at the time and had better quality 01:32:34 but it was closed 01:33:57 Stephen Coy, Christopher Watkins and Mark Finlay co-authored a book 01:33:57 on Ray Tracing called "Photorealism and Ray Tracing in C". 01:33:57 Distributed free with the book was an example ray tracer called BOB. 01:34:23 The thing is, for what I need, I need a HORRIBLY broken raytracer :P 01:34:38 Gregor, broken? 01:34:39 Why? 01:34:53 I mean, unless you mean broken in that your modifications mess with it 01:35:29 I'm essentially using a raytracer as a backwards photon mapper, but I have to maintain the actual time it takes for photons to get to their destination (as opposed to a conventional raytracer which considers light to be infinitely fast) since time is a physical dimension. 01:35:46 "maybe there's one that doesn't suck that I can modify" ...vs... "I need a HORRIBLY broken raytracer" 01:37:16 "doesn't suck" in the "is relatively modular and modifiable sense" 01:37:23 And yes, modifying a good one into this nonsense would be better. 01:38:12 -!- elliott has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:38:36 sounds like you'd be better off starting from scratch hehe 01:39:14 Actually, wait ... argh ... since the photons you're perceiving aren't themselves reoriented, all you would actually see is identical to if you were just slowly moving in one dimension ... 01:39:41 Is it possible to add polarization as well? 01:40:00 Would it be useful to do so? 01:40:59 zzo38: I'm not sure, but considering my mind can barely comprehend what I have already, I don't want to :P 01:41:16 ... reoriented light, standard orientation observer. *brain axplotes* 01:43:01 Simplified, what you see at any given instant is all the photons that hit the point in spacetime represented by your eye at that instant. The fact that the movement of this point is along a different axis than everything else is wholly irrelevant, photons are still photons. 01:44:19 Let's ignore for a moment the fact that the photons are, from your perspective, immobile, and so probably imperceptible >_> 01:44:56 Also let's ignore the fact that if photons are immobile, NOTHING makes sense. 01:45:14 Make it so the angle of the switching between time and space dimensions can be anything 01:46:05 Doesn't make any difference, now you're just /slowly/ experiencing time while sliding /slowly/ in one dimension. 02:11:13 -!- augur_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:11:45 -!- augur has joined. 02:13:17 I'm essentially using a raytracer as a backwards photon mapper, but I have to maintain the actual time it takes for photons to get to their destination [...] <-- wouldn't this just be the length of the ray? 02:24:00 I started writing a raytracer once but never finished it... 02:25:35 for(x=0:100){for(y=0:100){r=Ray(x,y);c=black;for(o:scene)if(r.intersect(o)){c=white;break};plot(x,y,c)}} 02:25:51 * Sgeo just spend $100 of his dad's money 02:25:54 that's pretty much it. well, you have to implement the Ray class, and objects and stuff 02:25:59 Um.. well, my dad spend it, I guess 02:26:11 I think he's expecting me to pay him back.. which I will, I guess 02:27:35 all my objects were spheres, and it's pretty easy to tell when a line has intersected a sphere... hey so why did I never finish it? 02:27:40 NOT-ZOMGMODULES: That is the length of the ray, but remember that time is now a /location/, I thought (incorrectly) that I had to distinguish the parts of the ray corresponding to frames in the animation. 02:27:44 Sgeo: what'd ya buy? 02:28:03 NOT-ZOMGMODULES, sponsorship of Grandroids 02:28:18 Although I'm a bit torn about that extra $25 just to get a thank you in the credits 02:32:07 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1508284443/grandroids-real-artificial-life-on-your-pc 02:32:57 -!- elliott has joined. 02:33:19 Hi elliott. I just spend an extra $25 on something just so my name would be included 02:33:27 NOT-ZOMGMODULES: hi 02:33:43 hi 02:33:48 Sgeo: TOO MUCH MONEY DERP 02:33:56 wat 02:34:28 elliott: Sgeo just bought real artificial life. I think this makes him a slave owner? 02:34:41 * NOT-ZOMGMODULES SEES WORLD VERY CLEARLY, VERY VERY 02:34:53 I own a cat. 02:34:55 SHE IS MY SLAVE. 02:35:12 NOT-ZOMGMODULES: absolutely 02:35:22 Gregor, you don't torture your cat the way I've tortured norns before... 02:35:24 after what he did to norns, how is he still allowed to adopt virtual life? 02:35:39 I don't think that how you treat your slaves affects whether they're slaves or not... 02:37:33 Hmm 02:37:43 I think I inflicted actual pain only on a very few 02:37:57 Usually it's death or blindness or the like 02:42:27 00:55:56: you *do* act like elliott however. 02:42:28 that's low 02:42:33 i wouldn't say anything like that ever 02:42:35 not even to my worst enemy 02:43:08 01:30:07: I don't want to write a raytracer ... maybe there's one that doesn't suck that I can modify ... a lot ... 02:43:13 Gregor: Dude, raytracers only take a couple thousand of lines :P 02:43:26 elliott: I'm not writing it. Upon further thought the result would be really boring. 02:43:32 Gregor: ...why? 02:43:47 Lemme copy my quote from above ...' 02:44:03 I mean, it's obvious what the result would look like, but it's still a useful intuitive tool. 02:44:09 Simplified, what you see at any given instant is all the photons that hit the point in spacetime represented by your eye at that instant. The fact that the movement of this point is along a different axis than everything else is wholly irrelevant, photons are still photons. 02:44:30 ...well duh, don't simulate PHOTONS with the same reorientation. 02:44:32 All you would see is time frozen as you slide slowly along one axis. 02:44:43 You're meant to pretend you have a magical camera that works by magic. 02:44:45 No, this is unreoriented photons. 02:44:47 Oh. 02:44:50 What about reoriented photons. 02:45:01 That's precisely like looking at somebody reoriented while you're not. 02:45:17 I don't think that how you treat your slaves affects whether they're slaves or not... <-- what if you free them? OMGZEN 02:45:46 Gregor: Yes... the point is that the WHOLE SCENE is reoriented :P 02:45:58 Which is important, because that's what the reoriented view of a 3D reorientation game would look like. 02:46:47 Bleh, fine, I'll write it :P 02:47:00 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:47:22 -!- augur has joined. 02:48:11 Gregor: Oh, and make sure it can do colours separately of all the photon mess... so that you can identify objects in the scene when reoriented X-D 02:49:58 OK, assuming that photons from your perspective are immobile, and that you carry a lightsource with you through the machine, there's an excuse :P 02:50:09 Gregor: Wut? :P 02:50:20 For why there are reoriented photons to see. 02:50:24 Right :P 02:50:35 Gregor: btw an IRL one of these things is possibly the most disturbing machine i can imagine 02:50:41 8-D 02:50:46 even the idea of some... repeated carpet... 02:50:53 like 02:50:57 an atom-thin slice of carpet 02:51:00 repeated 02:51:01 euuurgh 02:51:29 Gregor: Also, AFAICT, in a still-in-normal-world scene, when you reorient, everything would start moving towards you :P 02:51:48 Gregor: EXERCISE: Figure out what the fuck happens when a reoriented person collides with what is in non-oriented-world a normal wall. 02:52:01 elliott: The universe explodes. 02:52:24 Gregor: A PERFECT IRL machine would do it at the quark level though. 02:52:33 Gregor: So basically, you go through the machine, and emerge in a world without any complete, proper atoms. 02:52:43 elliott: YOUR MOM WOULD DO IT AT THE QUARK LEVEL 02:53:03 THAT'S THE ONLY WAY ANYBODY _CAN_ DO IT WITH YOU 02:53:08 ANYTHING ELSE AND THE SCALE'S ALL WRONG 02:54:03 Gregor: I'm totally nightmare-fueling about this machine now :P 02:55:00 "For Time—in its relativity, brutality and absurdity— is one of "Friday"'s great targets. In an instant day passes to night, and the realism of the bus stop gives way to a surreal blue-screen panorama of a full moon and false city running on loop as Ms. Black rides in the convertible, apparent-heiress to the grand American tradition of high school cruising, that curious space birthed by Cold War highways (themselves relics of our atomic fears 02:55:01 ) in which teenagers first experienced themselves as such." 02:55:02 http://www.theawl.com/2011/03/arms-so-freezy-rebecca-blacks-friday-as-radical-text 02:55:55 ok i have decided... 02:56:00 "onanistic recursion" 02:56:24 i, i, i 02:56:38 ok i have decided to change Bizaaro-Pixley in several ways 02:57:13 it now looks like this: *[*let [[a b] *a]] 02:57:22 NOT-ZOMGMODULES: wow, now it's even more like Nock! 02:57:33 may I suggest replacing * with ' for maximum consuion 02:57:35 sooperfishilly 02:57:47 ' for eval, huh 02:57:50 that would be ironic 02:57:52 and [] with () 02:57:57 '('let ((a b) 'a)) 02:58:01 OUCH 02:58:03 :DDD 02:58:10 perhaps, perhaps 02:58:14 I Can't Believe It's Not Lisp 02:58:33 NOT-ZOMGMODULES: or no no no wait 02:58:35 [] with )( 02:58:40 ')'let ))a b( 'a(( 02:58:44 beautiful 02:58:51 nug 02:58:58 NO 02:59:03 replace * with ( 02:59:08 ( with ' 02:59:12 and ) with > 02:59:29 ('(let ''a b> (a>> 03:00:21 "New engine sends shockwaves through auto industry - 3.5x more efficient, doesn't require cooling system, transmission, or fluids" 03:00:22 or energy. 03:00:25 or a driver. 03:00:29 or matter. 03:00:56 and it discloses to you this one weird old tip to shed belly fat 03:01:06 discovered by a mom? 03:01:17 a WORK AT HOME mom, yes. 03:01:24 -!- sftp has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:01:44 from UNBIASED NEWSPAPER 03:01:47 *Advertising website 03:02:00 acai berry! it works so cheap! as seen on fox news! 03:02:07 ok let's stop this before it gets out of hand 03:08:52 "We have a dangerous mission ahead of us." "I understand ... get the ship's counselor." 03:12:28 Gregor: Yes, before a dangerous mission it's important to get some... therapy... 03:12:50 elliott: ST:TNG :P 03:13:37 But I've improved it: "We have a dangerous mission, lives are at risk. Assemble an away team." "Counselor, doctor, you're with me." 03:13:38 Gregor: I WAS TRYING TO IMPLY THAT TROI IS ONLY ON THE BRIDGE BECAUSE PICARD ET AL. FIND HER SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE AND ALSO HAVE RELATIONS WITH HER ON A REGULAR BASIS UNDER THE GUISE OF "THERAPY" 03:13:51 there, happy now that we've thrown british subtlety out of the window in favour of american sledgehammering? 03:14:10 elliott: NUH UH IT'S BECAUSE SHE CARRIES THE RANK OF A LIEUTENANT COMMANDER FOR SOME NEVER-EXPLAINED REASON 03:14:31 Gregor: Because she commands all the crew's... lieutenants... 03:14:33 SORRY 03:14:47 ... perfect :P 03:14:50 *leftenants 03:15:02 elliott: It's still spelled lieutenant 03:15:09 *spelt 03:15:11 SHUT UP 03:15:14 YOU'RE CANADIAN 03:15:15 WHAT WOULD YOU KNOW 03:15:22 leftenant (plural leftenants) 03:15:22 An archaic spelling of lieutenant. 03:15:22 HA 03:15:30 elliott: "archaic" 03:15:38 WELL I'M A CONSERVATIVE 03:15:39 BITCH 03:15:55 hmm, i wonder what force of logic allows lieutenant to be pronounced in the uk way 03:16:19 also the canadian way. that force of logic is called FRENCH 03:16:50 Quebecois, thankyouverymuch 03:17:12 coppro: it's still spelt "fag" 03:17:13 Gregor: they gave the reason for lt com.. she got involved with picard before.. she gave favors, she got favors 03:17:16 or 03:17:20 it's still spelt "french" 03:17:23 dunno which is more offensive/funny 03:17:43 calamari: you mean this is CANON? 8D 03:18:03 not at all, I'm making it up :P 03:18:22 then it's fake canon 03:18:25 10x better 03:18:29 (AKA fanon ;D) 03:18:40 but I'm pretty sure it was canon that they had some kind of relationship inthe past 03:18:51 Uhh, no :P 03:19:33 is there any evidence to suggest picard hasn't had sex with everyone on the enterprise? 03:19:35 i think not 03:19:36 discuss 03:20:00 elliott: I don't think picard is into male klingons 03:20:11 coppro: that's not evidence against 03:20:18 one, there is no evidence he ISN'T into male klingons 03:20:18 No, they're into him BA-DUM 03:20:26 two, you can have sex with people you're not attracted to 03:20:30 evidence discounted 03:20:43 elliott: occam's razor; evidence readmitted 03:20:51 coppro: uhh 03:20:53 coppro: this is star trek 03:21:00 occam's razor is disproved on a weekly basis 03:21:01 Jack later served aboard the USS Stargazer under Picard, and the couple became good friends with the captain. Picard later admitted he had fallen in love with Beverly, but did not ever express his feelings because he felt that doing so would betray his friend. <---- lies.. they totally f***ed 03:21:06 evidence rediscounted 03:22:36 yep 03:22:37 i win 03:25:12 -!- joojii has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 03:27:52 elliott: no; that discount isn't valid in that sector after 3:00 AM 03:28:07 coppro: fuck you, i'm a bear 03:30:31 well 03:30:33 goodnight :) 03:30:45 tswett: i'll talk wrt normish tomorrow 03:30:47 -!- elliott has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:48:21 -!- lament has joined. 03:58:30 -!- NOT-ZOMGMODULES has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 04:00:14 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:00:58 Is it fine enough measurements if the space factors are in different units that 40 is the normal space value instead of 1000, and where 255 is the maximum? 04:02:09 -!- lament has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 04:05:06 -!- pumpkin has joined. 04:05:39 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 04:16:25 * Sgeo wants to see the pre-6th-edition rules of Magic 04:16:33 I do vaguely remember Interrupts 04:16:46 Yes they did have Interrupts, which are no longer used. 04:17:15 There are various things about the rules (any editions) which I do not like, although there are many good rules, too. 04:17:37 Such as, I do not like they removed mana burn. 04:26:12 I do not even know if this still works in the modern rules: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Magic_The_Gathering_card_deck_of_programming_language 04:29:35 Do you know this? 04:30:38 -!- augur has joined. 04:33:25 Wait, the body of the first concept wasn't yours? 04:33:28 * Sgeo mindboggles 04:34:22 It was my idea, but I did not write most of the text on that page. 04:36:00 -!- pumpkin has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 04:37:34 I am trying to write a program which estimates values of chess pieces by calculating the resistance between every pair of cells on the board. 04:38:03 resistance? 04:38:52 Yes, the resistance, in ohms. 04:39:07 I know it is stragne but it is an experiment I can try. 04:41:37 -!- Zuu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 04:50:13 -!- jcp has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 04:57:44 -!- jcp has joined. 05:01:46 -!- copumpkin has joined. 05:06:52 is there a good way to compress very short strings of english text? 05:07:18 Like, how short do you mean? 05:22:40 -!- sftp has joined. 05:50:22 shorter than the original message 05:51:25 -!- asiekierka has joined. 05:55:38 I don't know which ways are best. I suppose usually English text consists of letters and spaces, and some punctuation, and some letters/punctuation are less common than others. There is also combinations that might be more likely or less likely than others. 05:59:29 Do you think prime numbers are of any use in estimating values of chess pieces? 06:29:24 -!- ais523 has joined. 06:39:25 -!- pingveno has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 06:41:12 -!- pingveno has joined. 07:15:30 -!- calamari has quit (Quit: Leaving). 07:51:01 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 07:53:00 -!- impomatic has joined. 07:53:04 Hi :-) 07:53:53 Hi!!!!! 07:54:29 hi... 07:54:36 OK 07:54:51 Hi zzo38, ais523 :-) 07:55:36 OK, do you have anything else to discussion or do you want for something else to be typed? (In case of the second way, you might look at recent logs in case you are interested in it) 08:19:34 * impomatic has a few new dev boards and is trying to figure out how to do something useful with them. 08:22:02 What kind of dev boards do you have? 08:24:53 Arduino, Minimus, Maximus, Altera Max, eZ430, ST7, TI Launchpad, Micropendous3 08:26:08 The trouble with the Minimus and Maximus is they're also used for PS Jailbreak, so most of the stuff I find online is about Jailbreak :-( 08:46:16 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 08:49:01 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:56:14 impomatic, hm, what are Minimus and Maximus then? It seems strange to me some random development boards would be used for jail break. 08:56:36 or do you mean the words are used? 08:56:53 No, the dev boards are used: http://minimususb.com or http://www.teensy.co.uk/Maximus-AVR-USB-v1.2-inc-Case/c17/index.html 08:57:16 impomatic, what would make them more fit for jail breaking, as opposed to other boards? 08:58:32 No sure. They're pretty cheap and built into a USB stick 08:59:05