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01:09:37 <Ilari> Wow, 269 page RFC.
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01:09:49 <Ilari> (3261)
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01:40:45 <Ilari> Hmm... Huston estimate for APNIC depletion is Thursday 21st April (my own current estimate is Monday 18th April). Of course, it can deplete at any day nwo.
01:40:48 <Ilari> *now
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03:15:14 <oerjan> !slashes /Na/\/N1\///Nb/\/\/Nd()\/Nd1Nd\/\/1Nd\/Nd1\/\/Nd1111111111\/1\Nd\/\/NcNd\/Nc\/\/Nc\/Nd\/\/Ne\/Nd\/\/11\/2\/\/21\/3\/\/22\/4\/\/23\/5\/\/42\/6\/\/43\/7\/\/44\/8\/\/45\/9\/\/NdNd\/0Nd\/\/Nd\/\/NcNdN1Ne/Na()()()()()()()Nb
03:15:17 <EgoBot> 7
03:15:26 <oerjan> !slashes /Na/\/N1\///Nb/\/\/Nd()\/Nd1Nd\/\/1Nd\/Nd1\/\/Nd1111111111\/1\Nd\/\/NcNd\/Nc\/\/Nc\/Nd\/\/Ne\/Nd\/\/11\/2\/\/21\/3\/\/22\/4\/\/23\/5\/\/42\/6\/\/43\/7\/\/44\/8\/\/45\/9\/\/NdNd\/0Nd\/\/Nd\/\/NcNdN1Ne/Na()()()()()()()()()()()Nb
03:15:27 <EgoBot> 2
03:15:36 <oerjan> oops
03:15:41 <oerjan> !slashes /Na/\/N1\///Nb/\/\/Nd()\/Nd1Nd\/\/1Nd\/Nd1\/\/Nd1111111111\/1\Nd\/\/NcNd\/Nc\/\/Nc\/Nd\/\/Ne\/Nd\/\/11\/2\/\/21\/3\/\/22\/4\/\/23\/5\/\/42\/6\/\/43\/7\/\/44\/8\/\/45\/9\/\/NdNd\/0Nd\/\/Nd\/\/NcNdN1Ne/Na()()()()()()()()()Nb
03:15:42 <EgoBot> 9
03:15:46 <oerjan> !slashes /Na/\/N1\///Nb/\/\/Nd()\/Nd1Nd\/\/1Nd\/Nd1\/\/Nd1111111111\/1\Nd\/\/NcNd\/Nc\/\/Nc\/Nd\/\/Ne\/Nd\/\/11\/2\/\/21\/3\/\/22\/4\/\/23\/5\/\/42\/6\/\/43\/7\/\/44\/8\/\/45\/9\/\/NdNd\/0Nd\/\/Nd\/\/NcNdN1Ne/Na()()()()()()()()()()Nb
03:15:47 <EgoBot> 1
03:16:47 <elliott> oerjan: omg more /// stuff!
03:16:49 <elliott> i am just reading this log
03:16:52 <elliott> where you do /// stuff
03:16:53 <elliott> it makes me happy
03:17:11 <elliott> hey, do for /// what you did for UL :trollface:
03:17:17 <elliott> is it still tc without \?!
03:17:31 <oerjan> !slashes /Na/\/N1\///Nb/\/\/Nd()\/Nd1Nd\/\/1Nd\/Nd1\/\/Nd1111111111\/1\\Nd\/\/NcNd\/Nc\/\/Nc\/Nd\/\/Ne\/Nd\/\/11\/2\/\/21\/3\/\/22\/4\/\/23\/5\/\/42\/6\/\/43\/7\/\/44\/8\/\/45\/9\/\/NdNd\/0Nd\/\/Nd\/\/NcNdN1Ne/Na()()()()()()()()()()()Nb
03:17:34 <EgoBot> 11
03:17:38 <oerjan> funny guy
03:17:43 <elliott> what is this anyway
03:18:02 <oerjan> printing the number of ()'s in decimal
03:18:20 <oerjan> !slashes /Na/\/N1\///Nb/\/\/Nd()\/Nd1Nd\/\/1Nd\/Nd1\/\/Nd1111111111\/1\\Nd\/\/NcNd\/Nc\/\/Nc\/Nd\/\/Ne\/Nd\/\/11\/2\/\/21\/3\/\/22\/4\/\/23\/5\/\/42\/6\/\/43\/7\/\/44\/8\/\/45\/9\/\/NdNd\/0Nd\/\/Nd\/\/NcNdN1Ne/Na()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()Nb
03:18:22 <EgoBot> 23
03:18:35 <oerjan> !slashes /Na/\/N1\///Nb/\/\/Nd()\/Nd1Nd\/\/1Nd\/Nd1\/\/Nd1111111111\/1\\Nd\/\/NcNd\/Nc\/\/Nc\/Nd\/\/Ne\/Nd\/\/11\/2\/\/21\/3\/\/22\/4\/\/23\/5\/\/42\/6\/\/43\/7\/\/44\/8\/\/45\/9\/\/NdNd\/0Nd\/\/Nd\/\/NcNdN1Ne/Na()Nb
03:18:36 <EgoBot> 1
03:18:39 <oerjan> !slashes /Na/\/N1\///Nb/\/\/Nd()\/Nd1Nd\/\/1Nd\/Nd1\/\/Nd1111111111\/1\\Nd\/\/NcNd\/Nc\/\/Nc\/Nd\/\/Ne\/Nd\/\/11\/2\/\/21\/3\/\/22\/4\/\/23\/5\/\/42\/6\/\/43\/7\/\/44\/8\/\/45\/9\/\/NdNd\/0Nd\/\/Nd\/\/NcNdN1Ne/NaNb
03:18:40 <EgoBot> 0
03:18:49 <oerjan> well that seems to work
03:19:20 <lament> that's good then.
03:19:36 <elliott> !slashes /()()()()()/5/()()()()()
03:19:38 <EgoBot> 5
03:19:40 <elliott> oerjan: mine's shorter.
03:19:50 <oerjan> and _so_ general
03:19:58 <elliott> it prints the number of ()s, what more do you want
03:21:47 <elliott> oh man, they've made a movie out of atlas shrugged
03:21:53 <elliott> i can barely contain my excitement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
03:21:57 <elliott> 111
03:22:00 <lament> is it 2834927349872398789 hours long
03:22:03 <oerjan> ELEVEN
03:22:15 <elliott> lament: close, 28349273498723987890
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03:22:17 <elliott> you forgot a 0
03:22:31 <elliott> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W07bFa4TzM
03:22:37 <elliott> the motion is weird, all super-smooth
03:23:06 <elliott> maybe they filmed it in TV movie fps ;D
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03:30:02 <oerjan> !slashes /Na/\/N0\///Nb/()\//Na()()()NbN0
03:30:05 <EgoBot> ()()()()
03:30:11 <oerjan> !slashes /Na/\/N0\///Nb/()\//Na()()()()()NbN0
03:30:12 <EgoBot> ()()()()()()
03:30:18 <oerjan> !slashes /Na/\/N0\///Nb/()\//NaNbN0
03:30:19 <EgoBot> ()
03:30:24 <elliott> oerjan: your code approaches saltiness
03:30:33 <oerjan> !slashes /Na/\/N0\///()Nb/\///Nb/\//Na()()()NbN0
03:30:34 <EgoBot> ()()
03:30:38 <oerjan> !slashes /Na/\/N0\///()Nb/\///Nb/\//Na()()()()()NbN0
03:30:39 <EgoBot> ()()()()
03:30:43 <oerjan> !slashes /Na/\/N0\///()Nb/\///Nb/\//Na()NbN0
03:30:49 <oerjan> !slashes /Na/\/N0\///()Nb/\///Nb/\//NaNbN0
03:31:05 <oerjan> !slashes /Na/\/N0\///()Nb/\///Nb/\//NaNbN0hm
03:31:06 <EgoBot> hm
03:31:24 <oerjan> !slashes /Na/\/N1\///Nb/\/\/Nc()\/N1Nc\/\/Nc\/\/\/N0\/NcN1\//Na()()()NbN0
03:31:25 <EgoBot> ()()()()()()()()()
03:31:26 <lament> !slashes
03:31:34 <oerjan> !slashes /Na/\/N1\///Nb/\/\/Nc()\/N1Nc\/\/Nc\/\/\/N0\/NcN1\//Na()()()()NbN0
03:31:35 <EgoBot> ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()
03:31:49 <elliott> lol @ <EgoBot> hm
03:31:56 <oerjan> !slashes /Na/\/N0\///Nb/\//Na()()()NbN0
03:31:57 <EgoBot> ()()()
03:32:16 <elliott> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Useless ;; can we declare war on the state of TehZ?
03:32:28 <oerjan> elliott: i just needed to append something to check that it was properly empty and not a crash
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03:39:00 <elliott> 15:26:21 <oerjan> Now for an important question: Given only the characters / and \, what should the BCT interpreter output?
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03:39:02 <elliott> kittens
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03:45:03 <oerjan> that was not, alas, an option.
03:48:25 <elliott> oerjan: :(
03:48:29 <elliott> but i like kittens?
03:49:42 <oerjan> yes but outputting kittens with just / and \ is rather difficult
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03:51:57 <elliott> /\ /\
03:51:57 <elliott> / \
03:51:57 <elliott> | \/ \/ |
03:51:57 <elliott> \ /
03:52:00 <elliott> \/\/\/\//
03:52:02 <elliott> / \
03:52:04 <elliott> / \ /\
03:52:06 <elliott> \_________|\/
03:52:08 <elliott> oerjan: any questions?
03:52:10 <elliott> actually that's more like cthulhu
03:52:25 <oerjan> and by that i mean, neither space nor newline is available.
03:52:34 <elliott> oh, i forgot about that.:D
03:52:37 <elliott> *that. :D
03:52:37 <oerjan> kitthulhu
03:52:52 <elliott> http://www.nyder.com/cthulhu/graphics/hello_cthulhu2.gif
03:53:38 <oerjan> everyone's favorite madness-inducing plush monster
03:54:38 <elliott> oerjan it's almost 6 am what on earth are you doing up
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03:59:01 <elliott> WELL OERJAN?
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05:36:45 <olsner> <oerjan> <Vorpal> this is worse than auto-tuning his voice
05:36:45 <olsner> * oerjan now has the vague image of adjusting the visuals to be pornographic, while keeping the soundtrack as usual
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05:36:49 <olsner> autotune for video?
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06:38:28 <quintopia> "In the PAQ8HP series, the dictionary is organized by grouping syntactically and semantically related words together. This allows models to use just the most significant bits of the dictionary codes as context."
06:38:40 <quintopia> i think this means we could start doing lossy text compression
06:39:00 <quintopia> start by losing exact words...you might get back a synonym instead
06:39:35 <quintopia> then losing grammatical constructs and turns of phrase, where you might get back a different, but also grammatically-correct, and semantically equivalent phrase
07:06:50 <Vorpal> quintopia, what is the PAQ8HP?
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07:22:45 <Vorpal> <elliott> oerjan it's almost 6 am what on earth are you doing up <--- what were *you* doing up?
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08:42:13 <Phantom_Hoover> http://infinigons.blogspot.com/2011/01/is-programming-new-math.html
08:42:30 <Phantom_Hoover> I'm just going to leave this here.
08:43:57 <Phantom_Hoover> Hmm, it actually seems saner than the title makes out.
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11:42:08 <asiekierka[ds]> hi
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12:24:12 <Ilari> I Just heard a rumour that APNIC has allocated 90%+ of their free address pool. Whoah. The final statistics file comes in about 3 hours.
12:39:38 <Ilari> It had exact numbers too. And the sum of those numbers does check against remaining IP count I got yesterday.
12:40:51 <fizzie> There are quite a few Twitter postings saying APNIC has "~525.000" addresses left now before the last /8.
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12:57:07 <Ilari> Quite close to number I heard (525 056, which is multiple of /24).
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13:35:58 <Ilari> Reportedly ~4M of those are temporary allocations (for debogon), but they won't be released before everything but final /8 runs out.
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15:25:04 <Ilari> APNIC down 0.38 (525056 / 0.03 remain): 2x2k+2x1k+256+2x/32 to Australia, 512k+256k+64k+6x32k+13x16k+60x8k+68x4k+96x2k to China, 1k to Guam, 256 to Hong Kong, 4M(!!!)+1k to Indonesia, 2k to India, 2x16k+4k to Japan, 1k to South Korea, /32 to Pakistan, 256+/48 to Singapore.
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15:25:54 <Ilari> Predicted depletion date: Tomorrow.
15:26:05 <oerjan> down 0.38 to 0.03? wow.
15:31:54 <Ilari> Also looks like somebody's allocation got really fragmented. I count 2M addresses in 242(!) fragments.
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15:45:06 <elliott> 07:22:45: <Vorpal> <elliott> oerjan it's almost 6 am what on earth are you doing up <--- what were *you* doing up?
15:45:08 <elliott> it was only almost 5 am
15:45:42 <elliott> 15:25:54: <Ilari> Predicted depletion date: Tomorrow.
15:45:44 <elliott> nice.
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16:00:32 <Vorpal> <elliott> it was only almost 5 am <-- ah okay. Carry on then
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16:05:16 <cheater> Ilari http://www.hostblogger.de/blog/archives/5199-Video-We-are-running-out-of-ip-addresses.html
16:05:28 <oerjan> THAT IS SO LAST HOUR
16:05:34 <cheater> no u
16:05:42 <cheater> mr ørjan.
16:06:10 <cheater> [18:05] * ørjan :Erroneous Nickname
16:06:26 <oerjan> funny thing that.
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16:08:54 <Ilari> Oh, I have seen that video before.
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16:10:38 <cheater> Ilari: :)
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16:16:54 <Ilari> Okay, that 4M block will likely be back to allocation soon, but not before APNIC has already run out (but that block will be gone really rapidly when it is back).
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16:21:50 <Ilari> APNIC IPv6 pool: 1 039 095 /32s remaining.
16:23:46 <Ilari> 514 808 /32s to go before reaching the half-block threshold.
16:28:17 <Ilari> Compare with all APNIC IPv6 allocations/assignements being a total of 27 893 /32s.
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16:32:31 <Ilari> APNIC needs to expand the allocations some 18.4-fold to reach the half-block limit.
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17:11:33 <oklopol> i find it a pretty horrible thought that psychopaths aren't nice people because they don't have feelings that force them to be that way
17:11:49 <oklopol> i hope it's just tv that has given me the impression
17:12:40 <oklopol> personally i find that i'm amoral only when not thinking clearly
17:12:57 * elliott is vaguely suspicious of oklopol's definition of moral
17:13:19 <elliott> but err, are you suggesting sociopaths are just constantly confused :D
17:13:51 <oklopol> no, on the contrary, it is my understanding that they are automatically supposed to be amoral because they don't have a conscience
17:14:12 <oklopol> i don't have really have a conscience either afaik
17:14:30 <oklopol> maybe i just never did anything wrong
17:14:41 * elliott attempts to assess the risk to humanity oklopol poses
17:15:07 <oklopol> you're the one who once said your life is more valuable than anything in the world
17:15:40 <oklopol> i wouldn't let more than a few people i know die before myself; although probably thousands of people i don't know
17:16:15 <elliott> did i say that? i don't remember saying that.
17:16:16 <oklopol> depends on the distance too
17:16:31 <elliott> i've said that humans are prone to valuing themselves over pretty much everything else.
17:16:32 <oklopol> i may have misunderstood
17:16:36 <elliott> which is certainly true
17:16:37 <oklopol> it was part of that one torture talk
17:17:53 <elliott> hey, looks like my counting of the sequences were off
17:17:55 <elliott> there's actually 702 posts
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17:18:24 <elliott> monqy: hi
17:20:34 <monqy> hi
17:21:39 <elliott> :)
17:24:03 <oklopol> monqy: STATE YOUR BUSINESS or i guess you can idle too.
17:25:56 <monqy> my business is usually idling
17:26:47 <elliott> hasn't monqy been here before PRETTY SURE THEY HAVE
17:26:54 <elliott> they might be trying to invade :/
17:27:17 <monqy> yesterday, at least. maybe the day before
17:27:21 <oklopol> what, i can't be polite and welcoming to people who have been here before?
17:27:43 <oklopol> elliott is quite a ruin ur fun pants
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17:28:08 <elliott> monqy: you on the wiki?
17:28:15 <monqy> not yet
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17:30:14 <oklopol> what if there was a programming language based on stuff?
17:30:30 <oklopol> and then i was thinking, there could be things too
17:30:45 <oklopol> and what's the coolest is that it's completely based on stuff and things
17:30:49 <oklopol> but still it's tc
17:30:54 <elliott> call it python
17:31:05 <oklopol> :O
17:31:09 <oklopol> oh fuck
17:31:22 <oklopol> this guy asks me today
17:31:27 <oklopol> does python have matrices in some lib
17:31:30 <oklopol> :D
17:31:33 <elliott> numpy
17:31:37 <oklopol> "no they forgot"
17:31:38 <elliott> :P
17:31:40 <elliott> lol
17:32:01 <oklopol> which reminds me, i need to write a few programs in ml
17:32:05 <oklopol> for this course
17:32:09 <oklopol> they're really hard listen
17:32:24 <oklopol> you need to write this func that takes two lists of the same length, and then it like zips them
17:32:40 <elliott> WOOOOW
17:32:48 <oklopol> recursively of course so that you learn to think like a person who writes recursive functions for a living
17:33:01 <elliott> oklopol: dude, that's, like, a catamorphism.
17:33:12 <elliott> whoaaaaa
17:33:59 <monqy> I'd write recursive functions for a living if someone paid me to write recursive functions
17:34:02 <oklopol> isms are bad.
17:34:37 <elliott> monqy: so is your name pronounced like paraguay or like fish
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17:36:20 <oklopol> elliott: does is this look a good one: fun zip a,b and c,d = c:: d+a zip
17:36:24 <oklopol> i'm gonna submit that
17:36:32 <elliott> yes.
17:36:39 <elliott> oklopol: i made it better
17:36:43 <oklopol> okay
17:36:44 <elliott> funnest funfest zip a,b and c,d = c:: d+a zip
17:36:46 <elliott> yw
17:36:47 <oklopol> i have recursion call
17:36:57 <oklopol> and then i have that cut a list in a pices
17:37:11 <elliott> you need knife.ml to cut thing
17:37:13 <elliott> sz
17:37:16 <oklopol> i'm really sleep
17:37:17 <elliott> *tuhingsz
17:37:26 <elliott> `addquote <oklopol> i'm really sleep
17:37:30 <HackEgo> 360) <oklopol> i'm really sleep
17:37:30 <elliott> i can never seem to get a good night's oklopol
17:37:38 <oklopol> :o
17:37:44 <oklopol> stop hitting on me silyl :D
17:37:47 <monqy> I'm not quite sure how monqy is pronounced, myself. I usually pronounce it like mɒnki, but I might be wrong
17:37:49 <oklopol> *silly
17:38:00 <oklopol> monqy: is it your actual first name?
17:38:15 <monqy> no; that would be a silly first name
17:38:28 * Gregor sobs quietly at the first name he's hidden for so many years.
17:38:59 <oklopol> Gregor: it's sad that your name is one of your things
17:39:22 <oklopol> no matter how awesome it is
17:39:23 <Gregor> ... that ... was a sentence.
17:39:32 <elliott> xD
17:39:54 <oklopol> thing = memorable thing about a thing
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17:40:07 <oklopol> you know, a thing
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17:40:15 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover!
17:40:21 <Phantom_Hoover> Indeed!
17:40:27 <Gregor> oklopol: Unlike okloklokloklokloklokloklokloklokloklokloklo
17:40:41 <oklopol> my nick is kind of one of my things i suppose
17:40:51 <oklopol> people like talking about it for some reason
17:41:04 <oklopol> but you have told us that Gregor is your actual name like 50 times
17:41:31 <oklopol> if it's not
17:41:34 <oklopol> that would be pretty cool
17:41:38 <Gregor> X-D
17:41:49 <Phantom_Hoover> So my aunt says she saw someone walking around Venice who I swear is the Slender Man except he had a pink shirt on which kind of spoils the image.
17:41:55 <Gregor> I dont't think I've told you fifty times, probably only when relevant and otherwise implied :P
17:42:03 <Gregor> Phantom_Hoover: PINK SHIRTS SPOIL NOTHING
17:42:19 <Phantom_Hoover> THEY SPOIL MENACINGNESS
17:42:29 <Phantom_Hoover> Also he had a woman walking with him.
17:42:32 <oklopol> Gregor: well at least 4, you pretty much mention it every time people talk about not using their name on them nets
17:42:41 <oklopol> 4 is a lot, i've only seen like 100000 of your lines
17:43:02 <oklopol> (i like reading the same ones many times, i just grep Gregor and go nuts)
17:43:20 <Gregor> Well, I am only one of two people who regularly talks here that uses his real name ...
17:43:45 <Gregor> The other being pooppy, his real name is in fact Pooppy (although he translated it into Latin on IRC)
17:43:52 <oklopol> asiekierka, ais
17:43:55 <oklopol> elliott
17:44:06 <asiekierka> oklopol yes?
17:44:25 <oklopol> asiekierka: just saying your name is actually asiekierka
17:44:28 <asiekierka> it's not!
17:44:30 <asiekierka> my real name is adrian
17:44:35 <oklopol> yeah right
17:44:37 <asiekierka> yes it is
17:44:39 <oklopol> haha
17:44:41 <asiekierka> asiekierka is short for adrian siekierka
17:44:43 <oklopol> listen to this guy
17:44:43 <asiekierka> what did you think
17:44:47 <elliott> <Phantom_Hoover> So my aunt says she saw someone walking around Venice who I swear is the Slender Man except he had a pink shirt on which kind of spoils the image.
17:44:50 <asiekierka> did you think im asie kierka or something
17:44:52 <elliott> it's "is Slenderman" u illiterate fuk
17:45:01 <asiekierka> myth busted. anything else?
17:45:03 <oklopol> asiekierka: ais isn't ais's actual name either, but based on it
17:45:09 <elliott> ok i guess the the is acceptable
17:45:09 <oklopol> also aren't you testy
17:45:16 <asiekierka> testy?
17:45:19 <elliott> <Gregor> Well, I am only one of two people who regularly talks here that uses his real name ...
17:45:25 <elliott> I'm actually subhuman, so I'm not offended.
17:45:36 <Gregor> elliott: We all know your real name is Alice.
17:45:37 <asiekierka> elliott what are you
17:45:44 <elliott> *Alise
17:45:46 <elliott> TRUE STORY
17:45:47 <asiekierka> Gregor how do you know it's not Parry
17:45:49 <asiekierka> or something
17:45:56 <Gregor> elliott: No, because if it's Alise then that would mean you have used your real name ;)
17:46:05 <elliott> o snap
17:46:07 <elliott> It's actually Estoppel.
17:46:14 <elliott> My name is Estoppel Verquire St.XII
17:46:15 <oklopol> estoppel :DDDDDDDDDDD
17:46:27 <oklopol> those were THE times
17:46:27 <Phantom_Hoover> [18:44] <elliott> it's "is Slenderman" u illiterate fuk
17:46:30 <Gregor> Saint thirteen???
17:46:35 <elliott> Gregor: YES
17:47:06 <Phantom_Hoover> Well I'm sorry but my amygdala makes my life hell if I read about it so I'm not exactly well-versed.
17:47:36 <elliott> Your mom is an amygdala.
17:48:30 <oklopol> asiekierka: sorry typoed, meant to say tasty
17:51:09 <oklopol> cheese is so good
17:53:30 <Gregor> oklopol: Why don't you go fuck a fruit basket.
17:53:32 <Gregor> elliott: And you're a slut.
17:53:37 <Gregor> !!!
17:53:38 <elliott> Indeed.
17:53:48 <oklopol> Gregor: (
17:53:58 <elliott> that is the saddest smiley
17:54:07 <oklopol> no eyes
17:54:11 <Gregor> OH GOD now for years the entire conversation will be in an unmatched paren D-8
17:54:13 <oklopol> just pure 100% sadness
17:54:22 <elliott> )
17:54:28 <oklopol> yay
17:54:29 <elliott> oklopol: i thought the : after Gregor was the eyes
17:54:29 <Gregor> *whew*
17:54:30 <oklopol> happy times
17:54:35 <elliott> the space made it ten times as sad
17:54:39 <Gregor> "Gregor" is the hat.
17:54:51 <Gregor> He's wearing my name as a hat, and sad that he doesn't have a nose.
17:54:56 <oklopol> Gregor: i get it, because you love hats
17:55:02 <oklopol> you are the hat
17:55:10 <Gregor> One day, "Gregor" will be a synonym for "hat"
17:55:16 <oklopol> yes
17:55:22 <Gregor> "It's raining, grab your Gregor" no wait, maybe I don't want this ...
17:55:24 <oklopol> and then you will have a choosemygregor site
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17:56:11 <oklopol> trust is a powerful thing
17:56:11 <elliott> I FORGOT TO ASK HIM SOMETHING
17:56:21 <Vorpal> ask him later?
17:56:25 <oklopol> yeah elliott
17:58:02 <oklopol> sheesh what a silly-doodle, won't ask later just keeps on complaining
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18:23:24 <Phantom_Hoover> What are the haps my friends
18:24:12 <elliott> Hapssy
18:24:15 <elliott> *Happsy
18:24:23 <oklopol> well you know those young athletes that are always missing their fucking only chance in life to play in front of talent scouts
18:24:40 <oklopol> that annoys me even more than the stereotypical psychopaths
18:28:34 <olsner> psychopaths would probably know how to reach their goals without annoying you
18:29:27 <oklopol> i'm never annoyed by people
18:29:35 <oklopol> only tv shows and machines
18:30:02 <olsner> oh, you're talking about athletes and psychopaths in tv shows?
18:30:06 <oklopol> yes
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18:31:34 <oklopol> especially machines
18:31:40 <oklopol> i fucking hate computers
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18:44:29 <elliott> Vorpal: do you know if Alexia Massalin has done any kernel/OS work since Synthesis? Wikipedia has nuthin'
18:58:15 <Phantom_Hoover> FOOD AGAIN
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18:58:39 <elliott> HOW MUCH DO YOU EAT
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19:16:44 <augur> yesterday i acquired an original distribution of hypercard :T
19:17:02 <elliott> how ... difficult?
19:17:29 <augur> i walked up to a table that happened to be giving it away, and i took it
19:18:52 <elliott> :.,.+1441:28
19:19:46 <augur> indeed
19:19:50 <augur> manuals and all
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19:42:32 <oklopol> my crt decided to start randomly shrinking, widening and twisting the screen so had to give it a break
19:42:46 <oklopol> nothing's moving now
19:42:48 <elliott> um
19:42:52 <elliott> it was just enjoying some nice drugs
19:42:55 <elliott> why are you so prejudiced
19:43:19 <oklopol> it's way too old for that stuff
19:44:02 <elliott> drugs are for kids, grampa
19:44:12 <oklopol> yes
19:44:41 <oklopol> if my lcd was on lsd, i wouldn't mind
19:45:10 <elliott> but it's not ok if your crt is on ecstasy GOD I LVOE RHYMING
19:45:35 <oklopol> who doesn't A LITTLE
19:49:43 <elliott> `addquote <Gregor> elliott: Fythe-generated code doesn't use C calling conventions, because C calling conventions are for pussies.
19:49:45 <HackEgo> 361) <Gregor> elliott: Fythe-generated code doesn't use C calling conventions, because C calling conventions are for pussies.
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21:29:09 <olsner> oh, esr wrote the art of unix programming? I guess there's a point to him after all
21:29:21 <elliott> olsner: but that book sucks
21:29:29 <elliott> olsner: he uses fetchmail as an example constantly
21:29:32 <elliott> of excellent design
21:29:41 <olsner> it does? what's fetchmail? :P
21:30:13 <olsner> and there are people on the internet that claim it's a good book!
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21:30:29 <elliott> olsner: fetchmail is esr's shitty mail fetching program.
21:30:33 <elliott> POP/IMAP client.
21:30:43 <elliott> Approx. 0 people use it.
21:30:55 <elliott> Oh, looks like he also used it constantly in The Cathedral and the Bazaar.
21:31:05 <elliott> Some programmers, including Dan Bernstein, getmail creator Charles Cazabon and FreeBSD developer Terry Lambert, have criticized Fetchmail's design,[3] its number of security holes,[4] and that it was prematurely put into "maintenance mode".
21:31:05 <olsner> uh oh
21:31:22 <elliott> uh oh?
21:31:48 <olsner> at "<elliott> Approx. 0 people use it." and "<elliott> Oh, looks like he also used it constantly in The Cathedral and the Bazaar."
21:31:59 <elliott> err, I mean, as an example
21:34:41 <olsner> eugh, stack overflow seems to be full of people who read pragmatic programmer and it somehow revolutionized their lives as programmers
21:35:39 <elliott> olsner: joel spolsky + jeff atwood =/= good site with clever people
21:35:52 <olsner> elliott: exactly :)
21:36:50 <olsner> the worst thing is we have a couple of them at work that are like "hey, I read this book, if we implement every idea in it stuff will magically become awesome!"
21:38:08 <olsner> then they get upset that nothing really happens after that except a prompt for a more thought-out argument about the benefits of said tool/process/idea/technology :)
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21:45:20 <elliott> ais523: did Wooble just ragequit _AGAIN_?
21:45:35 <ais523> I don't know
21:45:54 <elliott> ais523: also, _please_ get an economic proposal out
21:46:01 <elliott> points-as-economy is gaining rapid acceptance, and ugh
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21:50:27 <ais523> you know you can write proposals yourself, right?
21:51:35 <zzo38> Proposal of what?
21:52:25 <elliott> ais523: I'm not very good at writing rules :)
21:52:33 <elliott> ais523: besides, IIRC you're the one who's done most of the work on it
21:52:36 <ais523> zzo38: for a game, Agora
21:53:44 <zzo38> What is this game?
21:54:06 <elliott> A nomic.
21:56:28 <zzo38> What do you have so far?
21:56:54 <elliott> It's been going since 1993 :P
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22:15:23 <oerjan> zzo38: agora is quite likely the oldest still running nomic in existence
22:15:38 <elliott> indeed
22:15:42 <elliott> and the second-oldest internet nomic, no?
22:15:49 <elliott> unless there were minor ones in the nomicworld era
22:15:58 <oerjan> i don't know if there were any before nomic world
22:16:10 <elliott> there weren't, I don't think
22:16:25 <oerjan> there could have been some email ones... NW was MUD-based
22:16:44 <elliott> I know what Nomic World was dude :P
22:16:49 <ais523> isn't the FRC technically older than Agora?
22:16:50 <oerjan> GOOD, GOOD
22:16:52 <elliott> ISTR NomicWiki calling it the oldest.
22:16:55 <oerjan> ais523: yes
22:16:59 <elliott> ais523: FRC is as much of a nomic as Canada
22:17:26 <ais523> hey, its rules change sometimes
22:17:31 <oerjan> frc could in principle be played as a nomic but that would be out of spirit
22:17:50 <elliott> ais523: so do Canada's
22:18:01 <elliott> more often, even ;)
22:18:07 <oerjan> heh
22:18:24 <ais523> elliott: I'm running a BlogNomic dynasty atm, btw
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22:18:45 <oerjan> ah dynasty
22:18:47 <ais523> only just started
22:18:51 <elliott> ais523: OK; I think I have some sort of fundamental difference in ethos with BlogNomic, though, because it always seems constantly boring to me
22:18:59 <ais523> it is constantly boring
22:18:59 * oerjan recalls imperial nomic. are there any of those going on still?
22:19:05 <ais523> that's why it has such larger player turnover
22:19:05 <elliott> ais523: well then :-P
22:19:45 <ais523> trying to make BlogNomic interesting is one of the biggest challenges of nomic
22:19:53 <ais523> which is quite a reason to play it, if you want a /real/ challenge
22:21:03 <elliott> ais523: but I'd have to fight a lot of all the players, probably
22:21:06 <elliott> which isn't fun
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22:38:48 <zzo38> Show mercy to the green lives under your foot.
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22:40:36 <elliott> No.
22:41:32 <zzo38> Then go drink hydroxic acid!
22:42:22 <oerjan> to live dangerously, i prefer some dihydrogen monoxide
22:42:41 <elliott> zzo38: Why do you keep saying "go drink hydroxic acid"
22:42:46 <zzo38> OK fine, prefer some dihydrogen monoxide, if that is what you prefer, please.
22:43:11 <zzo38> elliott: I don't know the answer to that question.
22:43:29 <zzo38> And if you put a question mark then I probably still won't know.
22:43:47 <elliott> zzo38: Why do you keep saying "go drink hydroxic acid"?
22:43:59 <zzo38> I still don't know.
22:44:18 <oerjan> zzo38, a master of prediction
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22:44:32 <elliott> Or at least some kind of diction.
22:51:10 <Sgeo> zzo38, why should I show mercy to .. crud, I don't know enough to make a semi-decent joke
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22:55:56 <Sgeo> I want to say forest lovers
22:55:58 <Sgeo> But that sucks
22:57:49 <zzo38> Then say something else, or do something else, or _____________.
22:58:20 <elliott> I choose the latter.
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23:08:12 <zzo38> I wrote down something, some idea, it is a 4x4 game, each player has five pieces, which are cubes on top of a coin, the coin has arrow to face in four directions and can be flipped over to belong to the other side, and can be held and dropped as in shogi. If you reach the king's corner you roll the dice. You win if you capture opponent's king or if you leave opponent with no legal moves.
23:09:00 <zzo38> And that you can also, when capturing, turn your cube in any direction except to the other side. When non-capturing, you can turn around 90 degrees clockwise/counterclockwise by optionally.
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23:19:09 <elliott> argh
23:19:31 <elliott> oerjan: why is division evil :(
23:19:45 <elliott> (a+b)-b = a, even mod n, but the same doesn't hold for division
23:19:56 <oerjan> it's used for conquest
23:19:59 <elliott> e.g. if m = n/2, then (m*2)/2 = 0 mod n
23:20:07 <elliott> it is
23:20:11 <elliott> distressing how long it took me to realise that
23:20:39 <oerjan> it's true if the divisor is relatively prime to the modulus
23:21:57 <oerjan> for the right definition of division modulo something
23:23:01 <elliott> oerjan: all operations modulo
23:23:08 <elliott> oerjan: i.e. (m*2) mod n / 2 mod n
23:23:28 <oerjan> well sure
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23:25:07 <oerjan> although usually you can defer the modulus until the end if you want, the trick is that with division you need to be careful
23:25:30 <oerjan> when calculating m / 2, you need to choose a representative of m that is actually even
23:25:57 <elliott> oerjan: i defaulted to the easier solution, i.e. saving the initial value
23:26:03 <oerjan> if n is odd that is of course easy
23:26:09 <elliott> oerjan: (this is for restoring the pre-overflow value if a calculation overflows so that I can promote it to bignum and try again)
23:26:21 <oerjan> aha
23:26:32 <elliott> for addition I just subtracted, but that doesn't work for multiplication, so yeah
23:26:56 <elliott> have you ever had your brain simultaneously operating at the assembly level and at a bignums-and-garbage-collectors level?
23:26:59 <elliott> it's truly disorienting.
23:28:38 <elliott> oerjan: hm given ceil(log_2(n+1)) and m, is there an easy way to get something close to (but possibly greater than) ceil(log_2((n*m)+1))?
23:29:21 <elliott> gmp appears to offer a guarantee that any bignum's log_2 will fit into an unsigned long, and you can preallocate a bignum with space for N bits
23:29:36 <elliott> plus m is a (signed) long
23:29:44 <elliott> so if I could preallocate well...
23:30:13 <oerjan> well log2(n*m) = log2(n)+log2(m)
23:30:56 <oerjan> if that isn't close enough, i don't know
23:31:15 <elliott> right
23:31:29 <elliott> actually it's probably a waste of time, I'll let gmp handle that :-P
23:35:26 <elliott> oerjan: can you believe it? it's broken! wowzers!
23:35:27 <elliott> oh wait
23:35:31 <elliott> unless multiplication doesn't set overflow
23:35:38 <elliott> that would be really shitty
23:36:26 <elliott> hmm
23:36:34 <elliott> how interesting, IMul doesn't actually...multiply
23:37:15 <elliott> wtf.
23:37:23 <Sgeo> Wait, they put limits on the size of a bignum?
23:40:16 <elliott> WTF?
23:40:51 <elliott> oh!
23:41:00 <elliott> hmm
23:41:21 <elliott> OK, wait, this is totally messed up, IAdd isn't doing addition either
23:41:34 <elliott> unless it's somehow doing it with leaq
23:41:39 <elliott> hmm, nope
23:44:32 <oerjan> yay
23:45:17 <elliott> oerjan: what
23:45:26 <oerjan> behold: http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/slashes/deadfish.itf
23:45:43 <elliott> oerjan: have I mentioned my marriage proposal recently?
23:45:51 <elliott> does it implement True Deadfish Wraparound? :-)
23:45:53 <elliott> 23:37:23: <Sgeo> Wait, they put limits on the size of a bignum?
23:45:58 <elliott> Sgeo: C does that from the start.
23:46:09 <oerjan> no, but you did mention a need for more esolang deadfish interpreters
23:46:09 <Sgeo> Oh, right
23:46:22 <oerjan> elliott: but of course, that was the easy part
23:46:26 <elliott> Sgeo: besides, I'd like to see you store 2^(2^32 - 1) on ANY computer!
23:46:53 <elliott> hmm, well
23:46:54 <oerjan> (the ./N.a****************N.b./N.aN.b./
23:46:55 <elliott> it's not _that_ long I guess
23:46:58 <Sgeo> elliott, you just did ::trollface::
23:47:02 <oerjan> part)
23:47:05 <elliott> but
23:47:07 <elliott> it's pretty damn long
23:47:08 <zzo38> I have written Deadfish implementation in Gforth, and in TeX.
23:47:14 <elliott> zzo38: slashes is cooler
23:47:32 <oerjan> this is itflabtijtslwi since it needs input
23:47:37 <Sgeo> Of course, you mean in a representation also capable of storing integers less than that number in an equal amount of space or less
23:47:49 <Sgeo> Ermm, less than that number but greater than 0
23:47:55 <elliott> oerjan: isn't itflabtijtslwi kinda cross?
23:47:56 <oerjan> warning: don't try printing numbers much larger than 1000
23:47:57 <zzo38> Yes, can be implemented with itflabtijtslwi, or brainfuck, or INTERCAL, or whatever else you want
23:48:06 <Sgeo> Yeah yeah, don't feel like fixing my definition to deal with negatives
23:48:12 <oerjan> elliott: it only adds a single GG...GG command...
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23:48:19 <elliott> oerjan: well that's syntactically gross.
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23:48:42 <elliott> oerjan: I'd make //foo/ instead be the same as /foo/\char/
23:48:47 <elliott> sine //foo/ never does anything useful ever
23:48:49 <elliott> *since
23:48:58 <Sgeo> Why is there an XKCD version of Deadfish?
23:49:04 <oerjan> maybe. but i went with the language which is also there
23:49:07 <zzo38> There is no negatives in Deadfish
23:49:10 <oerjan> Sgeo: heck if i know
23:49:12 <oerjan> *already
23:49:26 <zzo38> I don't know why there is a XKCD variation
23:50:15 <Sgeo> "The language defined by the Revised Revised Revised Revised Revised Report on the Algorithmic Language Scheme
23:50:15 <Sgeo> "
23:50:16 <Sgeo> o.O
23:50:59 <elliott> Sgeo: you can thank me for that
23:51:03 <elliott> why the o.O
23:51:07 <elliott> perfectly factually correct
23:51:27 <elliott> "Scheme" is ambiguous, there are at least six languages called Scheme
23:51:32 <elliott> defined by various reports
23:51:32 <Sgeo> Yeah, but who, besides an esolanger, says that?
23:51:43 <elliott> "R5RS Scheme" is nonsense when R5RS is expanded
23:51:45 <Sgeo> Most humans say R5RS
23:51:57 <elliott> Sgeo: nobody besides an esolanger says that
23:52:11 <elliott> zzo38: there ARE negatives with Deadfish
23:52:13 <Sgeo> Most humans are esolangers.
23:52:16 <elliott> oh wait, hmm, there aren't
23:52:21 <elliott> but there would be, if you could get -2 somehow
23:52:24 <Sgeo> Q.E.D.
23:52:46 <elliott> 23:51:45: <Sgeo> Most humans say R5RS
23:52:52 <elliott> most humans don't say it at all. but most humans just say Scheme
23:52:59 <elliott> *.
23:53:00 <oerjan> R-ass yndrome
23:53:11 <elliott> oerjan: *R ass-yndrome
23:53:30 <oerjan> well we _were_ discussing xkcd, almost.
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23:53:40 <zzo38> Almost?
23:54:05 <oerjan> i'm not sure that "I don't know why there is a XKCD variation" counts as discussing xkcd itself
23:55:06 * elliott makes friends with the latest esowiki spambot
23:55:10 <elliott> they're just misunderstood
23:55:16 <oerjan> tswett: you may also like http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/slashes/deadfish.itf
23:55:34 <elliott> why?
23:55:43 <oerjan> because he invented /// ?
23:55:46 <tswett> What sort of file is that?
23:55:49 <elliott> nonsense, he's not ihope127!
23:55:54 <oerjan> O KAY
23:56:01 <elliott> tswett: It's an ittf.
23:56:06 <tswett> I see.
23:56:13 <tswett> oerjan: please send me that link again right now.
23:56:14 <oerjan> tswett: an Itflabtijtslwi source file
23:56:21 <elliott> tswett: http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/slashes/deadfish.itf
23:56:22 <elliott> oops
23:56:25 <elliott> forgot to switch to my alternate nick
23:56:28 <oerjan> O KAY
23:56:49 <oerjan> ok so tswett is not ihope127 but elliott is me. got it.
23:58:13 <zzo38> Even Free Geek uses Plain TeX and DVI, because I showed them how to do it, and I helped them with it.
23:58:42 <zzo38> But I helped them with the drive wiping script, too.
23:59:12 <elliott> so, umn, zzo38, you know assembly right?
23:59:28 <elliott> *umm
23:59:29 <zzo38> elliott: Yes, I know a bit.
23:59:36 <elliott> do you know at&t syntax?
23:59:58 <zzo38> I don't know what AT&T syntax is. I only used MS-DOS DEBUG syntax.
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