< 1303603667 754425 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303604209 627355 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: It is not allowed to jump. < 1303604221 366040 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1303604712 78941 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
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ACTION wonders why nether minecart systems aren't popular
< 1303607782 764146 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303607855 202140 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you read the article about scoring in computer games? < 1303607908 137645 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You *cannot* use a single scoring system for all games; you have to change it. < 1303608340 960239 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-217-170.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably be nicer if you could ride a minecart in and out of the nether, though. < 1303608343 820549 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303609552 805436 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :well damnit I got the sockets in befunge working but I can't connect anywhere :( < 1303609874 861390 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-217-170.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah, Colorado. Land of snow the day before Easter. < 1303609881 157513 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1303609888 296823 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-217-170.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, it's April 23rd and it's fucking snowing. < 1303609988 614772 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't snow today, in here. < 1303610016 235722 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-217-170.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you're in Canada. < 1303610536 261520 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz QUIT :Quit: Quit < 1303610713 16275 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303611995 694522 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I am in Canada. < 1303612240 223301 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303612494 201757 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1303612765 133505 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303612822 104053 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303613123 297234 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-217-170.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1303614097 921356 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1303614117 793250 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303614398 688792 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303614521 747258 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303614766 472628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Str_len/core wouldn't it have been easier just to add a magic thing for this... < 1303615376 693166 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303615384 680260 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's little toe is made of magic < 1303615393 492105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. < 1303615412 674907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut the fuck up, birds outside. shut the fuck up. < 1303615430 27869 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've never seen/heard Magical Trevor? < 1303615456 392220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall that line. < 1303615505 428439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck. < 1303615507 945435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck X for breaking like that. < 1303615510 203940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1303616577 699178 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-191-129.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303616758 193744 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303617209 444726 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1303617292 846896 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303617750 94452 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woot! I found a paper discussing my game of war question < 1303617922 655134 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303617948 911313 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-94-133.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1303617949 352328 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-94-133.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1303617949 541162 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1303618079 309577 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303618134 94594 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-238-100.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303618210 718185 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303618248 249855 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-191-129.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1303618283 699931 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: You found paper? What is the answer? < 1303618309 133147 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: reading it now. It discussed a few things - I'm trying to find average case complexity < 1303618477 870209 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: darnit. It doesn't talk about complexity; I found one about its finiteness (which it claims can be made finite) and one about its limiting probability of a winning straegy < 1303618520 272490 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://arxiv.org/abs/1007.1371 < 1303618523 281332 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303618554 755692 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1303619315 162545 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303619482 80589 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1303619806 765472 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303619808 180412 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303619811 770311 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303621738 756315 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1303623090 153650 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-238-100.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1303623213 536079 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-213.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303623746 539243 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1303623914 667116 :monqy!~chap@71.102.217.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303625035 538981 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303625117 461456 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303625226 85600 :pingveno_!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303625489 911745 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303625610 19304 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303626538 329287 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088164227.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1303626775 88434 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303628134 717950 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-213.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... There's a distinction between "w" and "wh" in English? < 1303628140 590264 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-213.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is complete and utter news to me. < 1303628156 539371 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Depend on kind of pronounce. But, yes, it is. < 1303628714 281482 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-213.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, apparently the large majority of American accents have merged the two. < 1303628802 442743 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-213.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That *does* explain why "white" gets transliterated as "howaito" in Japanese... < 1303629385 583543 :cads!~max@c-76-17-123-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303629911 907849 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, of course that isn't the Japanese word for white, it is the Japanese word for the English word for white, sometimes used in compounds of loan words and stuff like that. I have seen it used, so I can confirm that it is the correct transliteration. < 1303630225 190538 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1303630225 963687 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-213.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I did specify "transliterated", so. :) < 1303630247 321328 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-213.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, the Japanese word for white is 白い (しろい) [shiroi]. < 1303630334 791415 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know. OK < 1303630346 559987 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Both) < 1303630370 957946 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-213.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah, you do seem to know at least a bit of Japanese. But not all who read the chat do. < 1303630398 205304 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1303630687 500622 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-213.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bishops agree sex abuse rules" As a speaker of American English, there is no way for this headline to parse as anything *but* comical. < 1303630730 559042 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-213.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently in UK English, "agree" is transitive, allowing that to also be interpreted as "Bishops agree on sex abuse rules". But that interpretation does not come out of the parser-in-my-head at all. < 1303631115 183954 :monqy!~chap@71.102.217.117 QUIT :Quit: hello < 1303631714 251888 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-213.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the *fuck*. < 1303631735 631456 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-213.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gibraltar Airport has a runway with a *road intersecting it*. < 1303631772 700542 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-213.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They literally stop traffic on a 4-lane road so planes can take off. < 1303631951 485750 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-213.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Said runway is also the Spain/Gibraltar border. < 1303632054 222846 :jix!jix@tomakin.h-ix.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303632460 275923 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need to get to work on homework. At 4:06 AM. After having an entire week of no school to do everything. < 1303632536 170859 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-213.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, you almost sound like a college student there. < 1303632536 900272 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-213.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1303632563 348150 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-213.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1303632566 676567 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-213.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2:08. < 1303632573 627651 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-213.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sleep may be a good idea. < 1303632582 913325 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-213.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, 'twould seem to be a great idea. < 1303632594 306143 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-213.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: 寝る！ < 1303632816 956669 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303632881 217245 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Homework time < 1303633368 569157 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1303633430 121961 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1303634611 745129 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, gibraltar is crazy < 1303634760 969480 :hiato!~nine@137.158.142.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303634776 309585 :hiato!~nine@137.158.142.53 PART :#esoteric < 1303634825 253813 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303636931 521259 :Lymia_!~moe@adsl-68-95-254-251.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303636934 605806 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1303636936 190843 :Lymia_!~moe@adsl-68-95-254-251.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net NICK :Lymia < 1303636938 323892 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-68-95-254-251.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Changing host < 1303636938 512798 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1303637100 626852 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq (for log reading): yes the intersection at http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/Gibraltar_Airport_panorama.jpg is pure awesome < 1303637108 616460 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they should build a tunnel though < 1303637415 319971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and nice how the same aicraft appears so many times in there < 1303637723 832998 :jix!jix@tomakin.h-ix.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303637724 60024 :jix!jix@tomakin.h-ix.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1303637742 864 :jix!jix@tomakin.h-ix.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303638011 908755 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-7-110.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303638833 833340 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303638881 852565 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever wanted to have any of the INTERCAL commands/operators in any circumstances in other programming languages? < 1303639126 329506 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1303639138 783326 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1303639150 899548 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would wikipedia cite the same paper twice? < 1303639161 334263 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_computing 41 == 4 < 1303639174 877423 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably it is a mistake. < 1303639253 61217 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :should separate citations refer to the same number? < 1303639260 400452 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, same page number? < 1303639285 337883 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, they are citing separate parts of the paper < 1303639288 57721 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks Vorpal < 1303639491 690605 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is it. I did not look at the article so I obviously did not notice < 1303639695 20202 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the citation notes actually mention that too < 1303639708 679249 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1303639892 7888 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah one of the authors on this one other paper is Viral Shah < 1303639899 933016 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess he's not a meme yet huh < 1303640800 557227 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303640826 336645 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303641347 500416 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-7-110.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303642054 759124 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303642474 242539 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Is there a language that doesn't let you name arguments to a function, forcing you to go pointfree?" <<< unlambda! < 1303642504 890775 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yes, I mentioned Unlambda, too. < 1303642630 922464 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303642637 331308 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" who want (f . g)(x) to be f (g x)" <<< some books do use postfix notation < 1303642695 178666 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1303643152 233785 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah i noticed just after saying < 1303643203 309252 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there's something called curry-howard-lambek correspondence for connecting types, logic and categories i think < 1303643227 278653 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you asked something like this i seem to recall < 1303643418 290631 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: so far, no theorems proven on ##categorytheory < 1303643480 775923 :greenguy!~ionut@178.138.32.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303643727 920670 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303643745 220161 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi augur < 1303643760 261317 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oklopol < 1303643764 762885 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know how to respond to disk-sectors being unable to be read? < 1303643792 548289 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1303643799 514150 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a perfect response < 1303643805 32319 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy a new computer < 1303643827 145604 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :be sure they install all the programs at the shop because that shit can be complicated < 1303644123 232991 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303644402 787855 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft0f59n73z&chunk.id=d0e6438&toc.depth=1&toc.id=d0e6438&brand=ucpress < 1303644411 645277 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, lopolko < 1303644487 560520 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally, my tsumeshogi program will find all the moves that give check. But now it has to find the moves to get out of check, too. < 1303644761 494764 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how many states are there in chess? < 1303644782 716029 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least 64 < 1303644784 92758 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: I don't know. There are a lot, though. < 1303644790 752123 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why don't you know? < 1303644844 887720 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never tried to calculate it. < 1303644848 378868 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1303644881 584769 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shogi has more, though. And Go has a lot more. < 1303644921 896 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's choose(32, 96) / number of cases where the different pieces can be swapped < 1303644948 514919 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, back to my research < 1303644981 266542 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you have failed to take into account many of the other rules of chess, such as promotion, castling, en passant, and so on. < 1303645019 833096 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that is not all! < 1303645066 238188 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i have :p < 1303645071 757902 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i know nothing of chess :p < 1303645112 777202 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you must learn. < 1303645167 739941 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually choose(32, 96) is 0 :P < 1303645180 398372 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :# the capture can only be made at its first opportunity. < 1303645186 278694 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that totally messes up < 1303645192 974043 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: :P < 1303645200 396705 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: You are refering to en passan? < 1303645205 16133 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: YOU MUST REALLY SUCK AT MATH! < 1303645218 766704 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, this "at first opportunity" thing totally creates zillions of states < 1303645230 534149 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no, i suck at using non-mathematical notation for mathematics. < 1303645249 332630 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i wouldn't know which mathematic that would refer to. < 1303645262 632157 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think there's significant knowledge of what chess positions are reachable past just counting all the possible board contentses < 1303645262 967929 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: which mathematic were you talking about? < 1303645293 69150 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i was referring to the one where choose(32, 96) is 0. in the one where choose(32, 96) is, umm, a lot, i'm sure you're very good < 1303645328 275792 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: LOL zillion is not a number :D < 1303645333 655976 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ok, i don't think i have used your mathematic a lot, i guess i have spent most of my time using other mathematics < 1303645346 114492 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it totally is! < 1303645364 314152 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the square root of a jillion. < 1303645365 239206 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: that's kind of a shame, this means if we ever want to discuss maths, we will have to relearn everything :\ < 1303645374 731684 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: :-\ < 1303645382 381663 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: let's just talk about category theory then. < 1303645392 380241 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1303645392 895807 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm not sure i can live with choose(32, 96) being a lot! < 1303645408 269902 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have no choice. < 1303645411 738935 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand how it can be < 1303645412 329299 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1303645421 450300 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: oh wow it has implications that deep? < 1303645438 696368 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :for you choose(32, 96) = 0 therefore you have no choice! < 1303645439 34347 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would never have guessed it contradicts choice < 1303645450 375287 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have 0 choices. < 1303645453 742434 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE the axiom of foundation < 1303645464 294076 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i totally founded you with you mom < 1303645479 972505 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually just talked about how i was born with my mom today < 1303645517 159333 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you mention things like "endofunctor"? < 1303645530 278409 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh get a room < 1303645558 915467 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1303645631 300082 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i'm doing a collection of notes on parallel computation and algorithms.. < 1303645639 398719 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll soon have to do notes-of-notes :-\ < 1303645652 637644 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if this action will ever halt, though. < 1303645679 395130 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :list of lists of lists < 1303645692 224917 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :parallel algos are kinda gay aren't they < 1303645733 501634 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if by that you mean that one parallel algo will put its penis in the anus of another parallel algo of the same kind, then yes. < 1303645828 433447 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's exactly what i mean < 1303646071 41928 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool... i've just summarized the same book twice, without realizing. < 1303646078 602087 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately enough i have summarized different parts of it. < 1303646208 386359 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACE4EF.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1303646212 159457 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you summarizing < 1303646223 58284 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you could be productarizing?` < 1303646230 38192 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-` < 1303646300 432460 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACE359.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303646536 914981 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you totally blew my mind, dude. < 1303647813 670677 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i mean < 1303647818 130800 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you totally blowed my mind! < 1303648180 389427 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow nice < 1303648181 319336 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.qwiki.com/q/#!/FROSTBURG < 1303648196 428725 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the fact of what it's talking about. < 1303648457 203833 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1303648484 262152 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1303649931 118239 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... RIPE NCC burnrate seems to be about 110.5k addresses per day.. < 1303650046 438089 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1303650139 880527 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC in the end days burned through their pools at over ten times that rate (1.2M or so makes RIPE's 110.5k seem pretty small usage). < 1303650147 146927 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(per day that is). < 1303650353 442094 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : i think it's choose(32, 96) / number of cases where the different pieces can be swapped < 1303650375 457182 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as oklopol said that's backwards, also don't you mean 64 rather than 96 < 1303650387 278186 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ that extra state others mentioned < 1303650399 277859 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i define choose(x, y) as "choose x items from y items". < 1303650399 467075 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1303650413 56732 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you realize why it's 96? < 1303650416 106387 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the usual order is the other way < 1303650425 55772 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am an anarchist. < 1303650436 836591 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's what i was asking < 1303650472 561525 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1303650480 301156 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :64+32... < 1303650504 678669 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realized you need something for captured pieces, and 96 _might_ work for that < 1303650543 635743 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :'zactly. < 1303650561 93709 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, this approach has countless problems. < 1303650569 163106 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the whole approach altogether :D < 1303650579 252542 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh also choose is usually assuming you consider all pieces swappable < 1303650613 179460 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet another discrepancy < 1303650638 743736 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty bad with specifics when it comes to it, i'm usually good at general ideas and stuff like that < 1303650649 817455 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :at/with < 1303650714 360668 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen the other version with no swapping called "permutations" < 1303650718 300809 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cowichanp.wordpress.com/2010/10/21/lease-framework-for-embarrassingly-parallel-problems/ < heh, i like this < 1303650746 327984 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but permutations of a set have the same amount of items as the set < 1303650751 108326 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in any case to _really_ count chess positions you probably need an ungodly mess of swapping and non-swapping stuff < 1303650753 20486 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Number of blocks burned this year: APNIC: 6.229. RIPE NCC: 1.025. ARIN: 0.741. LACNIC: 0.304. AfriNIC: 0.162. Number of /32s handed out this year: RIPE NCC: 1 364. ARIN: 803. LACNIC: 296. APNIC: 192. AfriNIC: 63. < 1303650767 165182 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303650800 388763 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: um obviously you interpret the order of items as something specific depending on the problem's needs < 1303650828 940771 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have not understood that last statement. < 1303650898 763725 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i mean is the function that counts how many ways to pick k elements from n, with the order of choosing actually mattering, unlike for the usual meaning of choose < 1303650928 812569 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott (for log reading): talking about size of inferno source code, being huge: < 1303650929 846405 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :n(n-1)...(n-k+1) < 1303650933 701899 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :72M linux-2.6.38.4.tar.bz2 < 1303650933 891112 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :52M inferno-20100120.tgz < 1303650936 161634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL! < 1303650970 745998 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and that includes the user space for inferno. Not so for the linux case < 1303651008 937737 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totals: 8.461 blocks burnt, 2 718 /32s handed out. < 1303651026 223968 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: oh and promotions make things even more complicated since a pawn can potentially become 4 different pieces < 1303651037 860390 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know right < 1303651039 457755 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, ipv6? < 1303651052 89202 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we're only talking about states < 1303651055 503893 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPv4 blocks, IPv6 /32s. < 1303651056 546262 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not transitions between states < 1303651064 692836 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, what is the relative allocation rates for ipv6 between the RIRs? < 1303651072 781023 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: well the problem there is you can get more that two bishops, say < 1303651086 198882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, and how much did it speed up for them after APNIC ran out ov ipv4? < 1303651087 774591 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of* < 1303651088 998684 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1303651225 713505 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Total IPv6 allocations since APNIC ran out (a week): 102 /32 + 4324 /48s. < 1303651242 345256 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38: yes, this "at first opportunity" thing totally creates zillions of states < 1303651286 361820 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, you only need 9 options for whether a pawn moved in that particular way last time and if so which < 1303651302 90465 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, huge increase then? < 1303651311 287826 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, did it affect the other RIRs rate too? < 1303651319 848710 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this stuff is fourth quadrant to the max. < 1303651373 774027 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPv4 blocks since then: 0.081 < 1303652071 142775 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1303652115 991569 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1303652323 452561 :TeruFSX2!~quassel@97-127-218-140.dlth.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303652530 424143 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Global IPv6 depletion: 0.027644% < 1303652673 575089 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIR IPv6 depletion: 2.801% < 1303652945 668685 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 726 455 456 /48s allocated. < 1303652974 762991 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, wonder how long it takes to break 10 billion /48s... < 1303653123 73479 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One super-large ISP and one large ISP and it is there. < 1303653223 443104 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Some ISPs have gotten /20s. < 1303653346 493908 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many addresses is a /20? < 1303653467 613418 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know exactly what is wrong with the program; however, I cannot think of the way to correct it. < 1303653562 378529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, this stuff is fourth quadrant to the max. <-- btw, why is it called "fourth quadrant"? < 1303653745 89417 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um if this is a complex number or xy plane, then the quadrants are customarily numbered counterclockwise starting at the x > 0, y > 0 one < 1303653755 799185 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, this is about statistics < 1303653760 600646 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1303653763 510753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ipv6 allocation rate. < 1303653800 654602 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's a star trek reference, they have those galaxy quadrants < 1303653811 601994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maaybe < 1303653819 453065 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets wait for Ilari to explain it < 1303653834 761676 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits while new kernel builds
< 1303653850 546550 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no let us speculate widely and then ban him for trolling when he disagrees with what we come up with < 1303653957 820006 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that one < 1303653966 480294 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, or maybe we could *gasp* google? < 1303653976 981556 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1303653983 880277 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bringing out the big guns, are we? < 1303654008 459767 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes, *looks for link* < 1303654015 126194 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :deer are hunted using big guns < 1303654054 273115 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari is a deer? that explains so much < 1303654058 912871 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, this gun: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/GAU-8_meets_VW_Type_1.jpg < 1303654066 851840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gun is the object behind the car < 1303654079 670523 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is one some sort of trolley < 1303654091 399119 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i wasn't sure whether it was the car or the huge gun that's the gun so thanks for explaining < 1303654109 478100 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you are welcome < 1303654332 529005 :Tritonio!~AndChat@109.178.35.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303654378 595395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303654492 77341 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1303654597 281982 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1303654821 937830 :TeruFSX2!~quassel@97-127-218-140.dlth.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303655426 344441 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303655538 744523 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.112.146.84 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303656029 112417 :Tritonio!~AndChat@109.178.35.189 QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1303657357 758722 :Tritonio!~AndChat@109.178.35.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303658130 991558 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303658144 380146 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to cast "Break Into Debugger" spell. < 1303658283 68445 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl kernel upgrade < 1303658294 240252 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1303658336 34050 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that reminds me of the ed stories < 1303658380 139689 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ? < 1303658400 658227 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they managed to hack into the underlying implementation of reality < 1303658440 494808 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/they/ed/ < 1303658493 865477 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :causing cosmic disaster < 1303658521 527490 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other spell I want to cast is "Fourier Transform" and "Circling the Square" and "This is Not a Pipe". < 1303658590 581349 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fourier transform needs to be cast with some frequency < 1303658703 472315 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlZq3ZDLkak&NR=1&feature=fvwp < 1303658931 592835 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I also want to cast "Feign Visibility" and "Merciful to Gibbering Mouthers" and "Detect Detections" and "Fire to Water". < 1303658991 744851 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know about any of these spells? < 1303659063 850837 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~nice@p5B131E1A.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303659093 724855 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well fire to water is fairly simple < 1303659095 645814 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a magic ring that changes its color to whatever you want it to be but has no other effects. < 1303659098 547996 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno about the other ones < 1303659108 767046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out what "Feign Visibility" would do, but it sounds like a great spell < 1303659110 117038 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm detect detections... maybe one could have a self-application spell that could be applied to any other < 1303659127 232771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so it, umm, heals healing spells? < 1303659135 600392 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I mean, like other spell in D&D game such as "Detect Evil", "Detect Lawful", and so on. < 1303659138 574169 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1303659142 563938 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It detects those. < 1303659160 182405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think a diagonal argument proves that combined with pretty much any other metaspell, that spell can't exist < 1303659168 150945 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am making a list of (embarassingly) parallel problems < 1303659173 527488 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone want to take a look at my notes? < 1303659190 745155 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey you just need to disallow any function without a fixpoint (such as negation) :D < 1303659191 93414 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Can you type a few examples here? < 1303659207 161904 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well i assume) < 1303659222 357749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: good point, although I can't think of any metaspells that have non-degenerate fixed points < 1303659227 259985 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1303659268 663441 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wondered a long time ago if you could make a pure lambda calculus for something resembling logic if you did that... < 1303659274 892986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can't you detect detection spells with a simple detect magic, combined with enough Spellcraft ranks to determine that the detections are level 1 divination spells? < 1303659299 258589 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure but they're about 6 print pages. can i paste in 6 print pages? < 1303659312 409390 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: No, just a few short examples. < 1303659312 636073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: you could use a pastebin < 1303659328 78095 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, but this would be different, it can last longer and can see if they are such detection spells, whether or not they detect you, and so on. < 1303659328 338195 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i know < 1303659339 498873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you including problems that parallelise to map+fold, i.e. become O(log n) when parallelised rather than O(1)? < 1303659350 918780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if that counts as embarassingly parallel or not < 1303659369 566821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are other situations, like matrix multiplication, which is O(n) when parallelised (and O(n^2) sequentially) < 1303659389 132803 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/gkdDF0fE < 1303659396 652231 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i was just pasting as you typed that. < 1303659409 891080 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, i guess i do < 1303659426 69823 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i recall i had this strange idea (a bit unmotivated but...) that you could have an LC model in which every function was uniquely determined by its set of fixed points < 1303659443 28194 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i didn't prove you could, it was just an idea) < 1303659444 537948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... bizarre < 1303659472 412125 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys enjoy reading that < 1303659477 365002 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's links to papers and books and stuff < 1303659495 913497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1303659505 582666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it works if the only type you have is the boolean < 1303659508 292800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?seen Phantom_Hoover < 1303659508 481877 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1303659508 670980 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very unorderly, a lot of the stuff is just applications (i need real world applications a lot), in the end i'll sort applications by underlying problem < 1303659509 822772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least at first order < 1303659511 353625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1303659511 564225 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1303659514 42354 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was based on noticing that it seemed to work for things like `kx and i < 1303659514 431929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought \bot had seen < 1303659526 141081 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um this was untyped, definitely < 1303659530 292129 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone has any other applications (especially in biotech research) i'm all ears < 1303659534 760643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah, OK, that's a little saner < 1303659547 37483 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1303659557 738216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Client Quit < 1303659567 875303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you mean the Unlambda sense of purely functional where the only thing functions can operate on are different functions < 1303659593 515174 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do you think so far? < 1303659639 414802 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@seen < 1303659639 682048 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1303659662 189469 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: I think the list is good enough so far. I also think, could some cellular automata such as game of life, be computed using convolution and lookup < 1303659664 470501 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they must have removed it < 1303659678 148183 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: keep em coming, any other ideas? < 1303659689 232685 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes that was the idea < 1303659696 616384 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Not at this time. < 1303659697 226315 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he's quit < 1303659702 690258 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what do you think? < 1303659704 916097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if that works, that's completely insane but beautiful < 1303659717 283195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: I haven't looked at it < 1303659719 354443 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i know i'm just assuming he logreads < 1303659774 619886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: insane feature suggestion for glogbot: let stalker mode send as well as read, so there'd be no reason to ever log onto IRC at all < 1303659793 32335 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Restate my assumptions: One, Mathematics is the language of nature. Two, Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers. Three: If you graph the numbers of any system, patterns emerge. < 1303659797 807810 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cue banning glogbot in 3,2,... < 1303659827 575017 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: wat < 1303659844 323527 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: elliott already suggested that :P < 1303659845 963751 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a movie quote which you reminded me of. < 1303659852 37645 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or else +q'ing glogbot instead of +b is also one way < 1303659871 728117 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's pro-actively +q glogbot before elliott does it < 1303659882 247163 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1303659882 436518 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: good point < 1303659910 637909 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: a bit early if they add something actually _useful_ for it to say... < 1303659930 306311 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :probability->0 as t->inf < 1303660175 518428 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1303660306 654314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1303660411 325043 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: they must have removed it < 1303660448 631395 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303660595 28739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1303660772 628214 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: for that matter i haven't proved that the usual lambda calculus beta-eta-equivalence doesn't have this property, either < 1303660830 600266 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ideally you should only need to look at the expressions composed from s and k < 1303660947 348915 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a program, I know exactly what is wrong with it but not sure the best way to correct it. Do you know how to do it? < 1303660968 965875 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1303660998 895456 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, surely you realise you have to provide more details than that for us to be able to have any opinion on it < 1303661019 403006 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. OK. < 1303661035 770818 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, there are some things for you to log read. < 1303661044 810162 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/LATI < 1303661045 550087 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i saw one thing. what are the others. < 1303661066 498299 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, uh? a highlight about linux kernel size vs. inferno < 1303661073 517877 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing else? < 1303661079 255822 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing else from me at least < 1303661082 316764 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1303661083 996909 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen < 1303661101 24907 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I wonder how compressed linux kernel source can be a frigging 77 MB! < 1303661129 812545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there's a lot of it... < 1303661149 702720 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes but even so. It seems absurd < 1303661164 776241 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What is the size vs inferno? And what is the speed vs? etc? < 1303661191 907781 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, 72, not 77 < 1303661201 586813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :72M linux-2.6.38.4.tar.bz2 < 1303661201 775904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :52M inferno-20100120.tgz < 1303661212 66019 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and inferno tarball includes user space too < 1303661215 936154 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just the kernel < 1303661234 62166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides it is gzip, which on average doesn't compress as well as bzip2 < 1303661247 432072 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, speed of what? < 1303661283 69780 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to correct my program? And then I can learn, and can do it myself too. < 1303661292 518946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I can't read that program. < 1303661317 46643 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like tex, yet not < 1303661337 36008 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is so much info you need to provide < 1303661340 854609 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is wrong with it, and where < 1303661343 984462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example < 1303661399 139773 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is wrong, is that of the move sequences are wrong not all scores are equal, yet it will display anyways, it needs to somehow keep the list of only the correct sequences so that it can ignore the others. < 1303661427 267579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm, no idea < 1303661481 453217 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wonder if anyone knows how to program these kind of thing, so that I can learn, too, and correct it. < 1303661500 167519 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~nice@p5B131E1A.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303661546 816847 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If you do not know, do you know if someone else knows? < 1303661555 600411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue < 1303661562 785376 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe try elliott_ ;) < 1303661569 245403 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1303661572 584660 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try ais523 < 1303661578 760012 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he knows < 1303661583 242657 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, XD < 1303661604 792477 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do you know? < 1303661620 830636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: let me look at hte program < 1303661646 70044 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1303661652 847903 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303661663 630546 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY NOT MY NORMAL NAME < 1303661730 21430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that code's a bit long for me to find a problem in < 1303661747 264864 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I described what is wrong already. < 1303661762 767292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, but knowing what a problem is and finding it in the program are two different things < 1303661790 640841 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, it is the |analysis| subroutine that is causing this problem. < 1303661846 750841 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that help? < 1303661892 920709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think you might need to add in penalties for time-wasting, so to speak < 1303661910 619459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that sort of analysis works best if you have scores in between the maximum and minimum, as well as the maximum and minimum themselves < 1303661933 794003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, "if(score==checkmate) score=mv" looks wrong to me, although I'm not sure as I can't follow the code too well < 1303662014 904841 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it seems to work. The problem is what I described before, that some sequences of moves do not always contain the correct score for all moves in the sequence, which should not be considered valid and not be displayed. Then it will display only some moves in the sequence, when it should display none of them. < 1303662118 970206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't it be simplest to just not display such sequences, then, rather than trying to remove them earlier? < 1303662121 54849 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The chunk titled "Deal with recording after the move" makes those decisions but it should need help a bit... < 1303662141 366351 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It displays one move at a time, is why. < 1303662273 844728 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The paragraph starting "After every move, ..." should explain what "if(score==checkmate) score=mv" is for, hopefully. < 1303662381 605213 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you understand a bit better now? Or do you still don't know? < 1303662430 600743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I didn't realise the chunks were actual code, I thought it was just things-you-hadn't-written-yet pseudocode < 1303662487 335971 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.112.146.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool, computer in ><> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Fish#Computus :-) < 1303662593 380963 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you know when is Easter Sunday? I think it is today. < 1303662631 183914 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.112.146.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today? Why haven't I received any eggs? < 1303662696 788075 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I don't know why. < 1303662919 758657 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Now does it help that you know about that? < 1303662928 138404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is today < 1303663056 142839 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolutely today, the neighborhood café was closed :( < 1303663084 153951 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1303663180 46824 :Tritonio!~AndChat@109.178.35.189 QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1303664873 346776 :greenguy!~ionut@178.138.32.3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1303664943 460848 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you perhaps had time to have a look yet? < 1303664950 272313 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-MemoServ- You are not logged in. < 1303664953 419509 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone ghost elliott plz < 1303664957 319165 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, could you? < 1303664961 808899 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh he is already gon < 1303664962 303135 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1303664978 841915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: how do I ghost someone without knowing their password? < 1303664983 874820 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has no idea how to ghost another person's nick
< 1303664993 516129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: /msg nickserv ghost username password < 1303664995 426371 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well someone very helpfully did it for me a few days ago < 1303664997 715414 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ns ghost nick password < 1303665002 155002 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: _another_ person < 1303665007 894932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thus the password at the end < 1303665008 634814 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, another person < 1303665013 974425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're ghosting your own nick, you don't need the password < 1303665014 675023 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you just need the password. < 1303665015 934474 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well duh < 1303665017 373817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so long as you're identified < 1303665056 447024 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously i was asking an equivalent question to "without the password" < 1303665093 247595 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: are you _sure_ that event was not just a coincidence? < 1303665095 997152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, obviously you shouldn't be able to do that < 1303665114 735544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an oper could k-line someone, which would have much the same effect < 1303665119 335774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but k-lining ghosts seems like overkill < 1303665122 695011 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i sort of recall seeing "nick collision" then < 1303665124 391461 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it said killed by services, and as I can't type my password without my number keys, it couldn't possibly have been me! < 1303665134 316284 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it wasn't me! < 1303665152 372479 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess someone may know a hack < 1303665158 621826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: could you change your password? < 1303665163 151492 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303665169 374005 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not without typing my current one < 1303665173 512190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 0123456789 you can copy-paste from that to type your current one < 1303665199 198399 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :& as I've said, I *can't* do that! (#1 thing I can't do) < 1303665207 348042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't copy-paste? < 1303665212 357289 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :100% undoable ^_^ < 1303665213 217117 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: this is obviously your karma for using a password written only using the number row >:D < 1303665220 519815 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even if i put $999 towards it < 1303665233 507484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, hmm, there are numbers in your last few comments < 1303665244 803960 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::trollface: < 1303665260 318356 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is a bit slow < 1303665288 760989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there are numbers in your comment too! < 1303665302 139198 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NUMBERS, NUMBERS EVERYWHERE < 1303665317 903813 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if you haven't realised by now, I used all number-row punctuation there :) < 1303665332 866768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I see < 1303665338 410976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misse the punctuation < 1303665344 355372 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misse it too. < 1303665350 932251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, I didn't know for certain that the keys didn't work shifted < 1303665412 731589 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303665456 866035 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am now going to suspect elliott of having done the ghosting himself, back when < 1303665493 113104 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys, general question, if i want to write a bijective function and have the language be able to automatically find the inverse, what do i need to do? what does the language need to be? < 1303665506 879054 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and having made up the whole keyboard thing from the start < 1303665515 767004 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just lightly suspect, mind you < 1303665537 16830 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or _maybe_ I'm not /that/ devious and just used a virtual keyboard < 1303665548 769243 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: well a reversible language might be nice for it... < 1303665553 26425 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, I've been painstakingly typing out numbers in private messages, I'm not that much of a chump for a prank ;D < 1303665558 17315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: good idea < 1303665563 187114 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That is an absolutely preposterous amount of Daves." < 1303665569 156663 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but then, I didn't know for certain that the keys didn't work shifted < 1303665575 709066 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they did, it would be a software problem < 1303665581 675328 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since shift is a separate scancode thing < 1303665594 404429 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you mean like befunge or something? < 1303665597 293677 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1303665597 482660 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1303665598 135065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: not necessarily, the mistake could be in the keyboard controller somewhere < 1303665599 333790 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ><>? < 1303665600 453788 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :148) what's the data of? [...] Locations in a now deceased game called Mutation I have no problems with you being interested in online games but the necrophilia is disturbing < 1303665602 733195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: that isn't reversible < 1303665610 812767 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but something *like* it < 1303665613 822574 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: befunge isn't reversible, but the wiki has a category for reversible computing < 1303665650 340905 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Befreak is meant to be based on Befunge but reversible, there are also other 2-D reversible program languages < 1303665695 406142 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you this essentially amounts to having to write the function in such a way that it is easily reversible, so it might not actually help you if you have a _genuine_ function inversion problem < 1303665713 680333 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case probably try a computer algebra system < 1303665729 105611 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like a pomcuter salgebra ystem < 1303665750 851265 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets not the reference
< 1303665758 285897 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including: 2D-Reverse BackFlip Befreak Reversible-2D Ora Memfractal < 1303665767 760735 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mour yum goesn't det re theference < 1303665798 837160 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget, did oerjan ever decide if a language where reverse(P) = P caret -one was possible or not? < 1303665809 105843 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I decided it was, with two-character commands < 1303665831 25204 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're wrong < 1303665835 669849 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's caret < 1303665838 483232 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1303665843 770258 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1303665844 203125 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah elliott_, try answering that < 1303665891 608727 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I forget, did oerjan ever decide if a language where reverse(P) = P caret -one was possible or not? < 1303665892 619204 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1303665894 788208 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivially. < 1303665900 313661 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaanyways < 1303665901 741002 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is a nop. QED. < 1303665909 377252 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: shut up < 1303665912 216825 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a usecase: say i have something that parses xml and turns it into json < 1303665918 726630 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i still think you could select single self-inverse command characters as a basis for that < 1303665924 518658 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to automatically get something that takes that json and parses it back to xml < 1303665928 575705 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right < 1303665932 471802 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do i do? < 1303665968 323117 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we have valid function decl syntaxes as "foo { ... } oof" and "foo } ... { oof"... < 1303665972 241914 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: be interested in more interesting things < 1303665976 931181 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is my suggestion < 1303665993 201105 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it would be a variant of cpressey's language that i forget the name of < 1303665995 370951 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that is very interesting, you suck < 1303665997 639854 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :burro < 1303666007 305207 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm he had nesting which was a bit of a problem < 1303666036 274210 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: noooooo < 1303666051 794802 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although nesting itself doesn't prevent the reverse(P)=P^-1 property, just making it out of single commands < 1303666053 225216 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: mwahahahahah! < 1303666128 639122 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i once saw a post somewhere about someone making bidirectional parsers, i think in haskell < 1303666150 306381 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but i don't think a bidirectional parser is what we're looking for here < 1303666156 405908 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i talked with someone about that in hash-haskell. < 1303666159 156455 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's enough to just play the source backwards. < 1303666163 875970 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns out that the kind of parsers that can do that are pretty limited. < 1303666171 279845 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: your xml -> json case would be one... < 1303666178 984182 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically it's a waste of time. < 1303666188 873170 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, i thought what you mean was this source code reversal thing < 1303666210 20887 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i meant genuinely writing parsers that could transform both ways < 1303666220 698982 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1303666221 460554 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could use prolog < 1303666234 335157 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolog is also nice for that yeah < 1303666237 198777 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because prolog backwards is golorp < 1303666254 428027 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :strong reason < 1303666257 487147 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i'm sorry, talking to oerjan who finds my parser idea interesting < 1303666283 616395 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although neither of these methods relieve you having to write the original parser in a way that makes it at least somewhat easily reversed < 1303666289 225038 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you from < 1303666299 189201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: # is shift-3 for you, not to the right of '? < 1303666301 223877 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think it would be necessary to build a language that uses inherently symmetrical constructs < 1303666310 152610 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, instead of replacement of strings, swapping of strings < 1303666311 152884 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1303666316 442391 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: prolog does that < 1303666317 481839 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shift-two is at too < 1303666321 598467 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the UK layout sucks :) < 1303666331 352024 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you elaborate? < 1303666351 656525 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: oerjan is doing it sarcastically though < 1303666387 876165 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: only if sarcasm === true interest < 1303666419 370865 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, "true" interest < 1303666450 120601 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: in prolog you write predicates instead of functions, and they don't need to distinguish which argument is input and which is output. < 1303666498 26337 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if written right you can go either way. unfortunately sometimes you need to sacrifice that for efficiency. < 1303666535 880235 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i was wondering if haskell's approach where you define computation by saying what things are, as opposed to how to compute them, could be good enough < 1303666558 661380 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :say if i have f x = 2*x it's obviously trivial to invert < 1303666616 47815 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: prolog's fits better i think, because in haskell you cannot treat argument and result equally < 1303666630 265026 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i have f :: [Char] -> String, f x:xs = "" ++ x ++ f xs, i wonder how that's inversible < 1303666653 207586 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this type def might be wrong, i'm still not that good with hs) < 1303666656 64839 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: you're missing parentheses around x:xs < 1303666678 670833 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "" ++ is a nop < 1303666721 217155 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1303666724 593239 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you know what i mean < 1303666737 403629 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if i wanted to write that in prolog, how would i do that? < 1303666746 494729 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: that f is either concat (if the type is wrong) or id (if the ++ f xs should be : f xs) < 1303666763 513477 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ignoring the missing empty set case) < 1303666771 301313 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and concat isn't invertible < 1303666779 2977 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, in haskell strings are list of characters < 1303666782 941709 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, i forgot < 1303666784 832049 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1303666793 80865 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's try again < 1303666827 608037 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :f :: [Char] -> [Char], f (x:xs) = x:'_':(f xs) < 1303666867 664743 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and obviously f [] = "" < 1303666880 792964 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this is a bijection from strings to s_t_r_i_n_g_s_. < 1303666937 686297 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> intersperse '_' "strings" < 1303666938 654801 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "s_t_r_i_n_g_s" < 1303666955 378429 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1303666961 86353 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but that's not intersperse. < 1303666981 105014 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (:"_")=<<"strings" < 1303666981 765080 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "s_t_r_i_n_g_s_" < 1303666995 133359 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1303667000 643117 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do i express this in prolog? < 1303667005 536467 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1303667079 486669 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like f([],[]). f([X|Xs],[X|['_'|Ys]]) :- f(Xs,Ys). < 1303667087 457616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :intersperse(_,[],[]). intersperse(C,[H|T],[H,C|T2]) :- intersperse(C, T, T2). < 1303667089 652255 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall the character syntax < 1303667101 625107 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1303667136 635023 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that you could put more than one item before the | < 1303667171 698164 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it wasn't intersperse, he said :D < 1303667337 185556 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that prolog predicate would allow you to go either way. if you fed it intersperse(x, X, [s,x,t,x,r,x,i,x,n,x,g,x]) as a question it would give X = [s,t,r,i,n,g] out < 1303667457 631095 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even intersperse(C, X, [s,x,t,x,r,x,i,x,n,x,g,x]) should give C=x, X=[s,t,r,i,n,g] < 1303667505 669526 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while intersperse(C, X, [s,x,t,y]) would respond "No." for no answer. < 1303668053 171942 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1303668146 389594 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this mean that prolog is the ultimate language for form validation? < 1303668289 156509 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it should work well enough... < 1303668336 787557 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually this style might not be very good for giving good error messages when the form _isn't_ valid < 1303668508 948411 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1303668737 273586 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303669869 750539 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-41.vpn.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1303669972 949122 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1303670454 709799 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: OpenWatcom has its own clib on Linux :P < 1303670461 486986 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :100% GNU-free < 1303670466 466861 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a really retarded way of saying libc? < 1303670483 125622 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, sorry, it's the DOS/Watcom/lolthiscompilerisolde way of saying that >_> < 1303670513 953853 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, this compiler is garbagetastic, but hey, it's got its own non-GNU libc :P < 1303670698 366826 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How terrible is the libc? :P < 1303670737 973311 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it has malloc, but it doesn't have MAP_ANON ... < 1303670762 450674 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which isn't a particularly broad measurement, but it's what I figured out :P < 1303670773 201012 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and before you ask, of COURSE it's 32-bit only. < 1303670819 546846 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How's it compare to musl X-D < 1303670852 854121 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Donno, haven't tried musl. < 1303670889 145136 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's like every non-GNU libc ever, except ten times better :P http://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html < 1303670909 341305 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that it's actually pretty objectively superior to glibc in both performance /and/ size. < 1303670941 857002 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be pretty surprised if OpenWatcom's was better :P < 1303670950 464902 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :License? And yeah, it's almost assuredly better than OpenWatcom's :P < 1303670986 681806 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But number one reason to mention it was this trololol: < 1303670987 601510 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ file rel2/lib386/linux/clib3r.lib < 1303670987 790822 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rel2/lib386/linux/clib3r.lib: Microsoft Visual C library < 1303671016 809776 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: License is on that page, LGPL two point one plus :P < 1303671032 444062 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. perfectly reasonable. < 1303671045 657592 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good enough. < 1303671059 11022 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not GPL+lol_I_dont_get_licenses like dietlibc at least. < 1303671079 379756 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1303671096 532785 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it has things like threads and locales (although just C.UTF-[eight] for now). < 1303671105 477963 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a faster stdio than glibc. < 1303671128 89926 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPL_lol_I_dont_get_licenses: Worst license ever? < 1303671140 366515 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GPL+lol... < 1303671232 988258 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Apart from the Microsoft Sperm-Ownership Communal Source Redistribution License, yes. < 1303671286 775999 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an Apple license. < 1303671314 443692 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Your denial is palatable, ex-shill. < 1303671318 743169 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Can you even be an EX-shill???????) < 1303671343 571086 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I mean palatable :P < 1303671345 820954 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do I mean palpable. < 1303671390 697077 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your lexical failure is palatable. < 1303671458 821769 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought we had established that to Gregor, nothing is palatable < 1303671496 497950 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but plenty is fnarfable. < 1303671505 718040 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303671520 55641 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made an online purchase WITHOUT MY DAD'S INVOLVEMENT! < 1303671521 955636 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1303671529 933276 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god. < 1303671531 357185 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMGWTFBBQ < 1303671531 634951 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it Minecraft. < 1303671545 774340 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM SCARED OF THIS BURGEONING NEW AGE OF SGEO NOT BEING A COMPLETE SLAVE < 1303671548 843770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get the acronym OMGWTFBBQ < 1303671560 472308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, I understand why it stands for, just not why what it stands for is useful < 1303671560 757426 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh my god what the fuck barbecue < 1303671562 142438 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that help? < 1303671565 542001 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh my God, what the??? Fuck a barbeque! < 1303671566 562329 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the latest humble bundle < 1303671573 650296 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have much money in my PayPal account < 1303671575 814745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: no, as that isn't what I was having trouble with < 1303671580 400908 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a meta-joke on acronyms duh < 1303671584 930374 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm still having difficulty transfering Second Life funds to it < 1303671585 490226 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do you also not get XXXXXXX99XX9XX9eleventyoneXX999? Where X is an exclamation mark and 9 is one. < 1303671590 673867 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's basically the same thing. < 1303671594 699778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it's funnier the way you wrote it < 1303671598 879126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ah, I see < 1303671602 558977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a parody of acronyms < 1303671614 709140 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a ridiculously over-the-top expression of surprise :P < 1303671622 967214 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OFTEN USED SARCASTICALLY < 1303671668 370555 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I CONSIDER IT ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE < 1303671679 163828 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: bingo < 1303671690 151482 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's used sarcastically, why have I been wasting my time fucking all these barbeques! < 1303671696 411562 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks cheater99's bingo sheet
< 1303671704 534307 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S EMPTY < 1303671706 639917 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 'cuz it's soooo goooood. < 1303671707 573902 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW < 1303671719 888924 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FALSE ALARM < 1303671727 5095 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually, my dad was indirectly involved < 1303671727 987191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I don't think that can ever be described as a total waste of time... < 1303671736 307527 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: FIAL < 1303671749 426470 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Because it's... worthwhile? < 1303671754 646122 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He did give me money for the mall, and I bought the Amex gift card at the mall < 1303671777 935630 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now I can use PayPal for stuff! < 1303671787 357136 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what i want to ask is whether they were in use at the time < 1303671805 391662 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Trine trailer's music is beautiful < 1303672167 140441 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: what i want to ask is whether they were in use at the time // one could say I was "using" them. < 1303672185 668501 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was "cooking" a "sausage" at the OK I'm done, no more of this. < 1303672187 68265 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303672379 862096 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smallest static C program 0.4k < 1303672380 861727 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1303672406 79363 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind, dietlibc is smaller, but I didn't realize anything could make GCC spit out a <1K binary :P < 1303672441 576482 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: dietlibc is smaller by way of sucking at everything :P < 1303672454 318573 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quicksort? Linear stack usage hurp durp that sounds sane and reasonable < 1303672540 477984 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both are smaller than a disk block :P < 1303672604 342515 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do a decent amount in 512 bytes < 1303672650 68739 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonderi f they still do those 512b demos (among other sizes) < 1303672651 608334 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, like exit without doing anything in C :P < 1303672778 583520 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: were' you writing another 512 byte os? < 1303672785 366847 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*weren't < 1303672791 446153 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that forth almost has a compiler now :D < 1303672798 67897 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets worked on approximately once per week :P < 1303673275 559894 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's supposed to be a legit MC trial, right? < 1303673281 493939 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't seem to get it to work < 1303673284 964434 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a shitty demo, but you're better off pirating. < 1303673288 493041 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just the game limited to 90 minutes. < 1303673316 635794 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I just want to double-check that the thing with the mouse will be ok in the legit version < 1303673325 514917 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably buy it 5 minutes after I see that < 1303673680 629312 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1303673792 683943 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303674054 758537 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1303674090 93118 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303674108 212396 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whyn must Minecraft make my computer a bitch? < 1303674110 347970 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cries
< 1303674215 543797 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITYM "Minecraft Y U *hit by falling anvil* < 1303674252 360113 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Have you seen this: Oh no! I was the original author of data-accessor, and then I passed it over to Henning and stopped paying attention. The a -> r -> (a,r) representation also makes me uncomfortable, and my original implementation was just like your Lens type. Heeennnninngg!! – luqui 51 mins ago < 1303674254 520191 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lol'd < 1303674610 779332 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, Optimine. Memory flags. < 1303674612 753930 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use both. < 1303674618 448963 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: -minecraft < 1303674868 716966 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1303675012 416556 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-41.vpn.utu.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1303675284 832539 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303675354 886590 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1303676836 886997 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1303676867 244590 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303676988 503932 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :PH______________ < 1303677043 199691 :PH______________!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1303677861 34929 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, hey the automatic transparent huge page stuff in 2.6.38 makes a difference for minecraft performance < 1303677869 247750 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in less jerks < 1303677869 436978 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh huh :P < 1303677879 186779 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I'm somewhat surprised it is noticable < 1303677895 122155 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I guess that indicates that java has *really* poor locality of reference < 1303677905 512570 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, oh and that the TLB cache on this CPU is tiny < 1303677948 332461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, what kernel are you on? < 1303678266 994677 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1303678308 890821 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303678397 762088 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever Unbuntu has. < 1303678410 916787 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unbuntu? < 1303678416 568165 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: where's that from? < 1303678436 848716 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5767129/lenses-fclabels-data-accessor-which-library-for-structure-access-and-mutation < 1303678489 354755 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303678559 869127 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1303678756 530779 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.112.146.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone made a scratch hologram? < 1303678781 723380 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds far more awesome in my mind than what you actually mean. < 1303678825 55296 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.112.146.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtmGgmhWBAc < 1303678850 286762 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.112.146.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of these are pretty good http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUy8lELWhJg < 1303678864 921817 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that person id < 1303678867 571412 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did < 1303678924 206889 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :scratch and fnarf-o-gram < 1303679335 323241 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, impressive < 1303679378 127327 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.112.146.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks impressive... I'm planning to try it this week. < 1303679626 266719 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.112.146.84 QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.5.18/20110319140258] < 1303679995 859057 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B13310A.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303680040 261092 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303680101 354161 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1303680414 988330 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303680420 418487 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303680536 299491 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 QUIT :Quit: Pardon me, but I have to go die in NetHack again. < 1303680580 904549 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A difficult task. < 1303680951 102070 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088164227.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1303681456 573102 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i always had problems with the 'dying' conduct < 1303681470 537564 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep ascending. It's soooo annoying. < 1303681607 471301 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my problem with nethack and the reason i stopped playing < 1303682658 957944 :atrapado!~rod@46.6.176.8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303683448 926742 :atrapado!~rod@46.6.176.8 QUIT :Quit: Abandonando < 1303683657 800453 :atrapado!~rod@95.169.252.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303684213 680569 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B13310A.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.16/20110319135224] < 1303684334 291206 :gateway!~gateway@h081217073111.dyn.cm.kabsi.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1303684513 974936 :gateway!~gateway@h081217073111.dyn.cm.kabsi.at PART #esoteric :"Verlassend" < 1303685180 157117 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, lament XD < 1303686662 688532 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1303686994 317708 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1303687015 358457 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.98.47 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1303687049 566142 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1303688457 716791 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"