< 1304208012 894052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1304208013 860548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with /// < 1304208014 524205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1304208058 648261 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure you could do it shorter than just writing them all out :P < 1304208099 614426 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forum.world.st/cull-protocol-td1560122.html < 1304208123 182719 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this sort of sentiment, that prettyness is better than actually working for more uses, a common one in the Smalltalk community? < 1304208126 119012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no but it's the principle of the thing < 1304208141 500760 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The AXAnnouncement code breaks for more than a certain number of arguments) < 1304208171 738016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm pretty sure that languages without some kind of self-modifying/macro facility produce inherently longer programs than ones without < 1304208185 205586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I like to think is quite a deep revelation < 1304208198 566114 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a certain minimal length... < 1304208235 302918 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although by kolmogorov complexity there's only an additive constant difference... < 1304208610 942924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm is that necessarily so? < 1304208626 982374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: consider a language where every constant literal is unary < 1304208631 909743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :integer that is < 1304208633 478580 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it occured to me it could be linear < 1304208633 793852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's strings < 1304208640 11011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you somehow can't parse strings into integers < 1304208641 381339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1304208648 181509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can take strings as arguments to macros < 1304208654 351508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they can be turned into code somehow < 1304208663 637310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess that's specific to that language... < 1304208665 428124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304208724 763969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: anyway you should concentrate on figuring out an elegant structure that's basically a list and a pointer within that list >:D < 1304208736 613059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if the advance-the-pointer operation is automatically cyclic too that's even better I suppose...) < 1304208844 390600 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304208938 862033 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is essentially a queue afaict. i thought we'd already discussed on a previous occasion using a zipper for that < 1304208954 446914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1304208958 477882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :queues don't have a pointer to the first element do they < 1304209030 454533 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1304209038 843502 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm i misread the trace < 1304209048 672957 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or rather didn't read much at all) < 1304209124 595544 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Consider a space/surface (the plane, the outline of a circle, the torus, klien bottle..) and pick two points on and think of every possible path between the two points. < 1304209136 675480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a lot of paths < 1304209177 201754 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: two paths are /homotopy equivalent/ if you can continuously deform one into the other. So if you pick the same point twice on a torus, the path that goes through the hole once is not homotopy equivalent to the path that goes all the way around it. < 1304209245 956053 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homotopy type theory seems to be about interpreting dependent types stuff as topological spaces and functions as continuous maps between spaces < 1304209285 702945 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't know about elegant but you could split the list into a few segments... one from L a bit rightward, one reversed from there until the pointer, one from the pointer a bit on, and one reversed at the end < 1304209296 76045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ew < 1304209307 237241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm maybe if you had < 1304209323 644206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :before pointer (in original order), pointer onwards cyclically (in original order) < 1304209324 839968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uh < 1304209326 740439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it < 1304209327 889122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's ugly < 1304209330 429113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because removing elements < 1304209331 356650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is just < 1304209331 890187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh < 1304209339 486128 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: !!!! < 1304209344 586120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1304209353 686786 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :homotopy < 1304209361 162649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i'm topyphobic < 1304209363 721547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :toffeephobic < 1304209372 756022 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't it make sense? :/ < 1304209378 696010 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um the whole point of my suggestion is that it's a couple of zippers that allows you to advance efficiently except when you hit the end < 1304209385 904699 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when you have to rewind) < 1304209390 500939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: it makes as much sense as anything makes when i'm also listening to oerjan :D < 1304209397 689884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well hitting the end is sort of a big thing in BCT... < 1304209411 168943 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_______________________________________; < 1304209413 924959 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the end here means end of segment duh < 1304209417 995256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304209421 565929 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION oohs at Teachables
< 1304209531 901531 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304209542 630858 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because what you _really_ want is a cyclic list with two zipper cursors. < 1304209554 540857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do i really want two cursors? < 1304209558 746143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I guess I do < 1304209562 258396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one where i am currently < 1304209565 837988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one to delete bits and cycle back < 1304209574 423008 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-95-139.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304209575 98317 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-95-139.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1304209575 288390 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304209576 161883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is that what your couple of zippers provide? < 1304209583 6928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just seems like it should be more elegant :P < 1304209608 184986 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm not enough of an expert on zippers to know how to do more than one cursor elegantly < 1304209642 536866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll just write it in C ;D < 1304209646 912090 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, you could use two Seq queues < 1304209664 240921 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one for L -> current, one for current -> R < 1304209685 32312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it with you and Seq < 1304209706 26576 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it's the only way i know of to do queues elegantly in haskell? < 1304209720 355162 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :two paths are homotopy equivalent if ___________? < 1304209743 593080 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact what i said above is just two queues emulated with two list zippers < 1304209748 824205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it was a joke < 1304209759 585138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, wow, I think this is actually more elegant in C < 1304209761 474982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as disturbing as that is < 1304209765 207676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1304209765 601092 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*deques < 1304209770 237314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier to do fairly elegantly < 1304209797 828547 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: " The mistake is to start thinking of identity types as representing paths, but to keep trying to interpret Σ and Π as logical quantifiers" < 1304209934 629564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:31:51 also I don't have a phone on me right now < 1304209934 856277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:31:54 and also I don't own a phone < 1304209942 585675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i see your problem < 1304210201 330307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre2/54708-2.png senses Gregor lacks: smell, sight < 1304210208 890219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead he has fnarf and... turgr < 1304210214 692447 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : and also I'm mute < 1304210231 670352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : and homeless < 1304210234 433550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : and an orphan < 1304210236 242133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : and dead < 1304210241 480605 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The loss of support for KDE-LCARS is part of why KDE4 sucks so horribly :P < 1304210247 669735 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 was dead the whole time < 1304210270 682167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i never realised people could actually be born without any kind of taste before now ;D < 1304210290 236148 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LCARS is about efficiency! < 1304210297 217737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: omg I'm going to buy an iPad and make it look like that and go around horrifying Apple fans < 1304210304 504650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey check out my totally tricked out iPad dude < 1304210306 976535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It runs KDE < 1304210319 648232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LCARSpad < 1304210324 63152 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you gave iPad an LCARS display, some people would pay SERIOUS money for dat shizzle. < 1304210340 703749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Whereby some people is used to mean you. < 1304210344 304267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]"you". < 1304210352 420677 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like "trekkies with more money than me" < 1304210367 745099 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "trekkies who hate Apple less than me" < 1304210394 831630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, the iPad is pretty damn close to LCARS :P < 1304210406 538086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it weren't for the typical Apple lockdown douchebaggery it'd be schweeet. < 1304210479 259736 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd work a bit better with actual tactile feedback. < 1304210502 857231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:04:13 --- join: oerjan (n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no) joined #esoteric < 1304210503 90450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:05:05 * oerjan declares the optbot topic idea to be a strike of genius < 1304210508 333871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: did LCARS have that canonically? < 1304210512 786858 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes. < 1304210517 55772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1304210526 427765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from typing, tactile feedback isn't that useful, though < 1304210536 846995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mouse doesn't really have it (it clicks, sure, but it clicks regardless of whether you actually did anything) < 1304210563 930591 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does make repetitive, *automatic* use of an interface possible. < 1304210592 669774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1304210595 836554 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which it seems like you'd want for some of the tasks LCARS was depicted doing. < 1304210643 235494 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for some other things, it's little more than a nicety. < 1304210706 470581 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All we need is a display that's touch sensitive, and can also adjust the height of individual pixels (or even just "cells") up or down a few millimeters. < 1304210707 790022 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The actual response could be produced entirely by software. This bit acts like a button because when you exert pressure on it, the software signals it to click. < 1304210809 954091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Honestly the problem is that that's not enough. < 1304210816 835362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With keyboards, you can feel the keys _before_ you press them. < 1304210820 370225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not really possible with that system. < 1304210830 229014 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sure it is. < 1304210832 984709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't generally mis-hit a key ever. < 1304210841 807238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my fingers sure do occasionally not get in the right place. < 1304210862 493420 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It would only have to have embossment between the "keys" to simulate everything necessary. < 1304210885 905291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, you mean keeping them up permanently? < 1304210887 901138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that would work. < 1304210899 61407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LCARS was totally flat though because durp durp Science Trek durp < 1304210903 23090 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean they're up whenever you're not pressing on them. < 1304210908 993786 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah, I'm not talking about LCARS any more :P < 1304210916 932087 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's tactile feedback by MAGIC> < 1304210919 521825 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/>/./ < 1304210936 497687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You misspelled SCIENCE. < 1304210945 239592 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCIMAGIC < 1304210954 816240 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAGIENCE < 1304210962 576508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCMIENCE < 1304210994 882812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1304210999 705804 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But more to the point, they're up whenever you're not pressing them, and it's in "keyboard mode" < 1304211004 305257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: self-BCT visualisation might be a bit hard for rapidly growing patterns :P < 1304211013 573683 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the height is software-configured, it doesn't have to simulate a keyboard. < 1304211016 863927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Problem is, it'd have to be more than a few mm. < 1304211028 848621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Not even scissor-switches have /that/ little bumpiness. < 1304211031 400178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd feel awful. < 1304211052 89292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ALSO, the software would need super good latency, because lord knows your fingers won't be kind to lag. < 1304211063 161317 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, it'd have to be CRAZYfast. < 1304211079 179692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, and the mechanics would have to be practically instant :P < 1304211081 307389 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not infeasible so long as it's done right (which it won't be because ... well, software) < 1304211082 557658 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Which is to say that it would need by done by intelligent people. < 1304211089 472702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise there'd be no transition, it'd be "I'm touching this key" -> "Whoops there is now air below my finger" < 1304211095 156308 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think about 10mm total would be sufficient though ... < 1304211118 62654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I dunno about that... scissor switch keyboards are fine, but they get away with it by requiring tons of force to press. < 1304211120 674956 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sub-20ms is entirely doable, and sufficiently low that humans can't freaking notice. < 1304211125 71454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which sort of "simulates" more tactile reaction than they have. < 1304211130 490982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, except that it has to be CONTINUOUS. < 1304211139 974823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has to move down by at LEAST one mm precision AS you press the key. < 1304211162 540564 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 20ms latency is perceived as "instant". < 1304211176 500103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: By _brains_ < 1304211181 485901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're talking instinctual here. < 1304211199 128295 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brains... < 1304211199 572200 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm inclined to agree with elliott, but I still think it's entirely doable. < 1304211205 181312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, surely it is. < 1304211210 77278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But don't expect to do it with Linux :P < 1304211210 266134 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, may want to make that smaller still. What's the spinal cord-finger latency? < 1304211214 438340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 0 :P < 1304211223 338977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd need some serious real-time operating system mojo. < 1304211230 591484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ridiculously optimised standard button components :P < 1304211239 250345 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT I disagree with. < 1304211241 728151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, some kind of hyper-parallel architecture might help, just dedicate one per button :P < 1304211248 292357 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's definitely not non-zero. < 1304211252 670176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Indeed, it's zero < 1304211257 131719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304211260 432070 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, definitely non-zero. < 1304211278 949224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was kidding. < 1304211281 956482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: OK, let me clarify. < 1304211303 333666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You can't do it with a stock Ubuntu configuration running on regular PC hardware :P < 1304211309 738190 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The display itself would probably need to be controlled by a dedicated microcontroller. < 1304211319 867285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Linux by default is ridiculously configured anyway as far as desktops are concerned.) < 1304211331 419792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yep, but Gregor wants software-controlled buttons... < 1304211371 342873 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want the location, size and function of buttons to be software-controlled. < 1304211371 531977 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, you could send configuration of that from the main system to the display over the connecting bus. < 1304211389 344672 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see no reason why the actual response has to be controlled by the main CPU, though I also see no reason why it has to be hardware. < 1304211391 729502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh, so it's OK for the actual depressing to be uncontrollable? < 1304211398 210257 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps. < 1304211400 323726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What if you just want a permanent emboss effect ;D < 1304211409 523843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yessss < 1304211417 345597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god imagine CSS five with font-style: emboss. < 1304211425 538000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then pages with white on white text, just it's embossed. < 1304211439 47592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO HIP < 1304211468 212512 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish they would make the web simpler instead of more complicated ;/ < 1304211496 551911 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMPLICATION IS ALWAYS THE SOLUTION < 1304211518 779867 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably play that on a loop to all the w3c folks < 1304211530 145876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: Define simpler :P < 1304211577 587559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hmm, maybe the self-BCT thing should just scale down lines if they get too long... that's ugly though. < 1304211623 40850 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: Step one to make the web simpler: start with Gopher. < 1304211623 646048 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1304211654 838115 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, I don't know anything about gopher < 1304211658 692838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1304211660 334088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :XANADU < 1304211668 163708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENFILAAAAAAAADEEEEEEEEEEEEES < 1304211943 50933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ouch, i just thought about a /// self-interp < 1304211944 427432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mind hurts < 1304212102 809682 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1304212130 269587 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304212164 244105 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh my god imagine CSS five with font-style: emboss. <-- no, font-style: crochet < 1304212177 923101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1304212250 414325 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : /// self-interp: < 1304212421 663515 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I nede to go to bed < 1304212426 101535 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now < 1304212432 290877 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of reading < 1304212465 906152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: bed? < 1304212467 274737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS early? < 1304212471 227355 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesrs < 1304212472 470042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :weirdo < 1304212473 47664 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugdhhh < 1304212498 995007 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this channel makes me stay up late < 1304212553 573859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS POSSIBLE < 1304212559 110750 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://giftrash.com/post/5008479548 < 1304212571 788695 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't watch on a bad stomach) < 1304212617 773960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen :P < 1304212636 533218 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that an aquaduct system would be a pretty awesome means of transport in Minecraft. < 1304212652 145965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you mean just travelling along a stream? < 1304212653 569619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's been done < 1304212658 30831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty sloe though < 1304212658 220031 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, not as fast/convenient as minecarts, but hey. < 1304212698 598432 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More resource-efficient. < 1304212725 665577 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could, in fact, be done entirely with renewable resources. < 1304212762 313782 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :how hard is it to make a game like minecraft? < 1304212768 821620 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's a bad question < 1304212783 200407 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mean setting up a 3D grid of cubes which you can render at a decent speed < 1304212792 995179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: argh bct also writes at the /end/ < 1304212798 256218 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must have to do something clever to make it render fast enough < 1304212808 525979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need the beginning, the end, and an advancing cyclic pointer within < 1304212818 994553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: not really? it's just opengl < 1304212819 388302 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was an ugly hack < 1304212826 234969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: hardware does it all for you < 1304212827 317029 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :true ifTrue: [^true]. < 1304212827 921745 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: Requires more creativity than programming-chops, really. < 1304212836 295149 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the beginning + end is also an advancing cyclic pointer so to speak < 1304212841 746798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed < 1304212846 90395 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presuming, of course, that you're not using an utterly sadistic language for the task. < 1304212850 504491 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as, say, C. < 1304212874 222442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if i didn't think it'd make such a pretty visualisation i'd stop coding right now ;D < 1304212899 458728 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1304212914 369383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola wimped out < 1304212927 249340 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're using C, then you need to actually have notable programming skill for a Minecraft-alike. < 1304212941 356767 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like for everything non-trivial. < 1304213120 731234 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The biospheres mod is approximately "awesome". < 1304213157 104821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :get in -minecraft, you < 1304213283 807820 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :C: Best language for all tasks. < 1304213292 3670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahno < 1304213367 870019 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL < 1304213369 579701 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :TASKS < 1304213432 453601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow ok i hate c strinf handling so bad < 1304213469 21705 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the API makes it damned difficult to just do *safely*. < 1304213491 451316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i have the first toaster < 1304213563 122202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what i'll write it in PYTHON < 1304213567 172289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best language for shitting yourself with < 1304213664 975034 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304213972 867601 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :excreme programming < 1304214048 731486 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304214049 426758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, my self-bct interp is broken... < 1304214621 958907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wow gleh < 1304214625 709347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this program isn't supposed to stop running < 1304214629 219916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1304214630 836915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did i ping oerjan < 1304214653 480483 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be your evil streak < 1304214803 552098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : self.pos = (self.pos + 1) % len(self.state) < 1304214803 785578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZeroDivisionError: integer division or modulo by zero < 1304214806 374329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS PROGRAM IS NOT MEANT TO END DAMMIT < 1304214859 138408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is < 1304214861 976423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's meant to take a long time < 1304214987 830769 :augur!~augur@pool-173-73-124-245.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304215380 958845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm concatenating a BCT program with itself has no observable effects as far as execution goes, right? < 1304215499 349928 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an ordinary BCT program? no. < 1304215509 187931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well i mean self-bct < 1304215510 442452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess yes < 1304215513 46501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the end matter < 1304215513 781871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sa < 1304215514 458608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1304215514 918061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1304215539 512507 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then it definitely matters yeah < 1304215546 547160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is my buggg :| < 1304215564 890310 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1304215569 900011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there it is < 1304216276 711086 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1304217795 401926 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. < 1304217807 854114 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that tar on this system does not interact nicely with LD_PRELOAD. < 1304217852 12484 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the feeling GNU tar is too clever for its own good. < 1304218027 600593 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304218081 242546 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304219495 424374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Explain? < 1304219704 732382 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :explicitly explain exploding explorers < 1304219768 722518 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :without expletives < 1304219777 591794 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :excluding expletives? < 1304219782 11442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :excrement < 1304219786 915288 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of breaks the exp though < 1304219787 585353 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent! < 1304219797 283086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exciting < 1304219824 643155 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :explicitly explain exciting exploding excrement explorers excluding excellent expletives < 1304219840 944381 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :please < 1304220119 119452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1304220261 685051 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1304220293 472258 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304220338 460966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear birds outside < 1304220340 76908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up < 1304220341 524721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :love elliott < 1304221300 655059 :augur!~augur@pool-173-73-124-245.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304221494 337753 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Tar not interacting with LD_PRELOAD. < 1304221505 906522 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But it's dynamically linked. < 1304221507 874850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1304221511 632105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it not reacting? < 1304221542 537091 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried making a tup rule using it. It got absolutely no information from the process. < 1304221666 63594 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it *is* actually having the LD_PRELOAD'ed library work, it is still *definitely* being too clever for its own good. < 1304221731 5663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it might use mmap < 1304221875 244750 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304222034 53941 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And I suppose tup doesn't intercept mmap? < 1304222049 266881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, mmap requires open() < 1304222050 49119 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1304222059 192107 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, so it does. < 1304222061 665682 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making that moot. < 1304222490 64517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it could use syscalls directly instead of going through libc :P < 1304222762 671253 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304222827 372456 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304222836 771635 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1304223075 231112 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm checking the source code, presently. < 1304223300 798239 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It definitely goes through libc's open. < 1304223344 578590 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In conclusion: wut? < 1304223988 771905 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Posted to list. < 1304224559 554589 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1304225106 7170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304225832 312265 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1304226121 978115 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1304226196 171497 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1304226399 156210 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1304227237 711752 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1304227639 692869 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes asdf < 1304227642 505931 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdf < 1304227659 814781 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes @so < 1304227660 447163 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@so < 1304227660 745104 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : not available < 1304227665 556842 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes @so !slashes < 1304227666 429729 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@so !slashes < 1304227666 618721 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes not available < 1304227667 464214 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :not available < 1304227671 283606 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304227750 796530 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes @so !slashes /not available/!slashes @so !slashes \/not available\/\// < 1304227751 506416 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@so !slashes < 1304227751 695561 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes not available < 1304227752 436882 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :not available < 1304227884 993232 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /1/*0//*0/0**/1001 < 1304227885 689107 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000****************** < 1304227897 673835 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /1/*0//*0/**/1001 < 1304227898 502147 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :****** < 1304227918 191981 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /1/*0//*0/0**//0//1001 < 1304227919 101802 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :****************** < 1304228281 998377 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /1/0*//*0/0**/1001 < 1304228282 768996 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000********* < 1304228295 380236 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /1/0*//*0/0**//0//1001 < 1304228296 79431 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :********* < 1304228302 474551 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that's it, I think < 1304228307 548498 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /1/0*//*0/0**//0//1 < 1304228308 329136 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1304228310 936118 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /1/0*//*0/0**//0//10 < 1304228311 828007 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :** < 1304228314 920420 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /1/0*//*0/0**//0//11 < 1304228315 670113 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** < 1304228318 775244 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304229638 307553 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304229929 610322 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\//\\\//\/\\\/\/\\\\\\\/\/ < 1304230024 328620 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1304230645 362758 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304230724 11276 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1304232145 412812 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :danp_ < 1304232161 913884 :danp_!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :bambam < 1304232576 449631 :bambam!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin < 1304233654 646914 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-AbPav5E5M&feature=youtu.be This boggles the mind. < 1304234507 103485 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1304236679 555663 :CakeProphet!~adam@h159.37.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304236683 43547 :CakeProphet!~adam@h159.37.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello all. < 1304236832 302746 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACFF2D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does !slashes work, what language is this? < 1304237585 97245 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1304237806 970610 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304238214 162945 :CakeProphet!~adam@h159.37.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1304238252 599578 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACFF2D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /1/0@so !slashes //0//111 < 1304238253 239664 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@so !slashes @so !slashes @so !slashes < 1304238253 429042 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes @so !slashes @so !slashes not available < 1304238254 301856 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@so !slashes @so !slashes not available < 1304238254 491146 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes @so !slashes not available not available < 1304238255 209171 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@so !slashes not available not available < 1304238255 469148 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes not available not available not available < 1304238256 251680 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :not available not available not available < 1304238262 848876 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACFF2D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bot chaining! :-D < 1304238494 709549 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /1/0@so !slashes \/yes\/no\///0//1 < 1304238496 28759 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@so !slashes < 1304238496 219592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes not available < 1304238496 943197 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :not available < 1304238507 797556 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you make it output more slashes? < 1304238526 946049 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /1/0@so !slashes //0//1\/yes\/no\/ < 1304238528 259117 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@so !slashes /yes/no/ < 1304238528 448385 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /yes/no/ not available < 1304238529 395707 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :not available < 1304238549 253888 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /1/0@so !slashes //0//1\/not\/is\/ < 1304238550 333928 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@so !slashes /not/is/ < 1304238550 523311 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /not/is/ not available < 1304238551 423886 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :is available < 1304238794 852643 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :@so !slashes /not/1//available/1//1/@so !slashes/ < 1304238795 242668 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /not/1//available/1//1/@so !slashes/ not available < 1304238796 332646 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@so !slashes @so !slashes < 1304238796 521985 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes @so !slashes not available < 1304238797 242686 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@so !slashes not available < 1304238797 432024 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes not available not available < 1304238798 68299 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :not available not available < 1304238847 738752 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /code/\/x\/y/code < 1304238873 2180 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /foo/Hello, world!//bar/foo/bar < 1304238874 172764 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1304238877 726791 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACFF2D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you do loops with slahes? < 1304238886 685005 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACFF2D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*slashes < 1304238902 743431 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /code/code/code < 1304238912 362449 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /code/xy/code < 1304238913 518039 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xy < 1304238917 982087 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /code/\/x/code < 1304238922 961812 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /code/y\/x/code < 1304238924 322229 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1304238941 760065 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I do a slash?? < 1304239003 394850 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes \/ < 1304239004 705559 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ < 1304239012 274311 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /a/\//a < 1304239018 995498 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /a/\\\//a < 1304239020 232081 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ < 1304239041 161573 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /b/\\\\\/s/\\\//bs < 1304239042 386703 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\/ < 1304239070 249202 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /b/\\\\\/s/\\\//s\bsbbbbbs\ssbbbss < 1304239082 947611 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /b/\\\\\/s/\\\//sbsbbbbbsssbbbss < 1304239091 336876 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /b/\\\\\/s/\\\//sssss < 1304239092 717335 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\/ < 1304239096 736789 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :what thell lol < 1304239120 104782 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes ///// < 1304239128 573873 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /b/\\\\\/s/\\\//s < 1304239129 804353 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\/ < 1304239148 192219 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I output multiple slashes < 1304239156 802253 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /b/\\\\\/s/\\\//bsbs < 1304239157 988438 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\/ss < 1304239164 581217 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1304239198 188102 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /b/\\\\/s/\\\//bsbs < 1304239199 318205 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1304239254 133105 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /b/\\\\/s/\\\//bbbbb < 1304239255 532782 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1304239262 4785 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is ridiculous < 1304239275 131408 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACFF2D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /1/0\\\/ //0//111 < 1304239276 21077 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ / / < 1304239283 550381 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /1/0\\\///0//111 < 1304239284 880762 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/// < 1304239291 69830 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :huuuuh < 1304239310 709051 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you have to space them out with 0s? < 1304239338 196680 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACFF2D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not completely sure what I'm doing there :-) < 1304239373 242837 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slases /b/\\\\!/s/\\\/!//!//bbss < 1304239378 782574 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /b/\\\\!/s/\\\/!//!//bbss < 1304239379 880274 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s! < 1304239384 51625 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffffffff < 1304239387 98891 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /b/\\\\!/s/\\\/!//!//bbbb < 1304239388 492107 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s! < 1304239391 181445 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /b/\\\\!/s/\\\/!//!//ssssss < 1304239392 541146 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s! < 1304239415 439670 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /b/\\\\!/s/\\\/!/!//bbsss < 1304239416 499003 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1304239455 866597 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to output every string with this language?? < 1304239460 637497 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some strings cannot be output < 1304239464 174833 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes p/b/\\\\!/s/\\\/!/!// < 1304239465 484901 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps < 1304239648 349196 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /// < 1304239654 478406 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes \/\/\/ < 1304239655 698092 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/// < 1304239670 357620 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /s/\\\//sss < 1304239671 627587 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/// < 1304239686 507543 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /s/\\\//sfoosbarsfoobar < 1304239687 796329 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/foo/bar/foobar < 1304239721 627596 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /s/\\\//b/\\\\/sfoosbarsfoobars\ss < 1304239722 842406 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b/ < 1304239734 728694 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /s/\\\//b/\\\\/xsfoosbarsfoobars\ss < 1304239735 920944 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b/ < 1304239740 61427 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :: < 1304239782 487749 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know how to do it :(((((9 < 1304239810 186308 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACFF2D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help slashes < 1304239810 584969 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I have no help for slashes! < 1304239868 390441 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Slashes < 1304239884 608508 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /s/\\\//b/\\\\/sfoosbarsfoobars < 1304239885 888856 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b < 1304239887 558461 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /s/\\\//b/\\\\/sfoosbarsfoobar < 1304239888 852988 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b < 1304239897 557530 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /s/\\\//b/\\\\/foosbarsfoobar < 1304239898 877327 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b < 1304239910 926293 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /s/\\\//b/q/sfoosbarsfoobar < 1304239912 236178 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b < 1304239914 736293 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /s/\\\///b/q/sfoosbarsfoobar < 1304239915 921395 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/foo/qar/fooqar < 1304239923 825421 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I just had the wrong syntax < 1304239947 63248 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /s/\\\///b/\\\\/s\ssfoosbarsfoobar < 1304239948 118407 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/\ < 1304239956 302576 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /s/\\\///b/\\\\/s\s < 1304239957 214802 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/\ < 1304239971 983834 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can't quote s < 1304239990 199495 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /s/\\\///b/\\\\/shsbbbsss < 1304239991 410170 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/h/\\\/// < 1304240046 521173 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /s/\\\///b/\\\\//t/\s\h\s\b\b\b\s\s\s\k\s\b\b\b\b\s/tt < 1304240047 614707 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :h\k\\ < 1304240147 136053 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /t/\s\h\s\b\b\b\s\s\s\k\s\b\b\b\b\s//s/u//b/v//u/\\\///v/\\\\/tt < 1304240148 525981 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/h/\\\///k/\\\\//h/\\\///k/\\\\/ < 1304240169 953997 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to make it print \s\h\s\b\b\b\s\s\s\k\s\b\b\b\b\s?? < 1304240221 439637 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /q/\\\\/t/qsqhqsqbqbqbqsqsqsqkqsqbqbqbqbqs//s/u//b/v//u/\\\///v/\\\\/tt < 1304240222 454614 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tsb < 1304240226 319176 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwwrauufrdgaroufgdnupf < 1304240508 295226 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304240672 601170 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304240729 295600 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have /s/blahblahblah/ how do produce "s"s < 1304241034 791695 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if you have /s/xyz/ and x->a,y->b,z->c how do you produces xyzabc < 1304242399 531986 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1304243603 189869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304245289 822467 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-95-139.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304245290 252353 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-95-139.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1304245290 441668 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304245464 729818 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304245789 132089 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1304246800 612413 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing blog, search for "Assembly is the most powerful programming language": http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7684?page=0,1 < 1304247079 572867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :microcode > asm < 1304249464 363821 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304249592 52724 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1304249753 769710 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1304250120 284591 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1304250984 20735 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, arguably vhdl > microcode then :D < 1304251264 428981 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACFF2D.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1304251360 498854 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEA6D.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304251924 769759 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304251980 944359 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably haskell > vhdl then < 1304252384 739743 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably < > > then < 1304252433 85359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably (<) > (>) would be a bit clearer < 1304252482 431407 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably (<) > (>) > < > > < 1304254083 603153 :Dentist[1]!~Testing@202.90.98.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304254173 216170 :Dentist[1]!~Testing@202.90.98.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free IRC Bouncers! irc://irc.bitsjointirc.net:6667/ZNC < 1304254175 141124 :Dentist[1]!~Testing@202.90.98.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free IRC Bouncers! irc://irc.bitsjointirc.net:6667/ZNC < 1304254175 330546 :Dentist[1]!~Testing@202.90.98.2 QUIT :Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) < 1304254389 277402 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304254546 283820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304254683 91983 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1304254776 193659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304254876 834957 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wow, enigma is fun! < 1304254888 844091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to hear it < 1304254895 933168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you playing the stable version or the dev version? < 1304255041 20624 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm playing the aptitude version. < 1304255043 191448 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ever that is < 1304255083 276888 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the screen says v1.01 < 1304255088 797269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the stable version < 1304255094 245825 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why - does it make such a difference? < 1304255101 145513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only really user-noticeable difference between the two is a lot more levels < 1304255104 525276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they changed most of the internals < 1304255110 774799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so new levels can't easily be added to the old version < 1304255111 974663 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why have they? < 1304255133 200979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the old level file format was awkward and rather hard to write clever things in < 1304255142 681741 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1304255156 853568 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i just got to the rollercoaster level, and it was annoying, so i turned it off. < 1304255169 429947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can skip levels you don't like or can't solve; I think everyone does that < 1304255190 597750 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but the fun threshold was passed < 1304255205 201342 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm up to other things, such as rescuing data from my failed hdd < 1304255228 645094 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever done that, ais? < 1304255239 193509 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, rescue data from hard disk drives < 1304255249 554147 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304255355 944787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater2: no, I just restored from backups < 1304255361 442968 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what the difference is between a "/" and a "-" in gnu ddrescue < 1304255367 562783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I /have/ had hard drives fail on me, though) < 1304255374 902411 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :'/' failed block non-split < 1304255375 162269 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :'-' failed block bad-sector(s) < 1304255425 148448 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to its info manual, it takes blocks which failed to read, and does something like bsp, trying to reduce the irrecoverable area as much as possible < 1304255446 985418 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not sure whether / or - are going to be reduced still, or if they're ones it's given up on < 1304255490 601697 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think non-split is the ones it's going to do BSP on < 1304255510 990517 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of a 460 GB file system, it reduced the error to only about 30 mb < 1304255518 939541 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's nowhere near giving up now < 1304255575 603951 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :after it totally gives up, i'll mount the file system and find out which files have bad sectors in them < 1304255583 184823 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i'll try to recover them < 1304255598 542596 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually it'll be system internals which can be replaced easily < 1304255613 261446 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or media files which can be redownloaded < 1304255634 582868 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :afterwards i'll boot the OS and run debsums on it < 1304255650 308371 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully finding only a few packages which fail, that i can reinstall < 1304255743 347970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater2: you have so much more a sensible attitude to a hard disk crash than Sgeo < 1304255817 116659 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what has Sgeo done? < 1304255943 373137 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, in support of my current plan, do you know how to add hex numbers in awk? < 1304255963 882022 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got a file full of lines that name hex numbers, i just need to add them and output in decimal < 1304255981 139825 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know awk handles hex literals, but it doesn't seem to handle hex input < 1304256056 603273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater2: I don't know awk < 1304256075 411766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use perl (awk compiles to it, and it can parse hex numbers using the "hex" builtin function) < 1304256080 351836 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you not know the most used esoteric programming language on earth! < 1304256081 341463 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1304256093 430118 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know awk :-\ < 1304256104 339581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl's probably more eso than awk (although not eso), and also more popular < 1304256139 215904 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater2: gawk --non-decimal-data < 1304256180 350389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: how GNUish < 1304256256 466250 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304256357 958964 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooo < 1304256359 356992 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks! < 1304256406 464649 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1304256477 327435 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice - worked great < 1304256518 926783 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat /tmp/gddrescue.log | grep '/' | awk --non-decimal-data 'BEGIN {a = 0} {print $2; a += $2} END {print a/1024/1024}' < 1304256524 933267 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect. < 1304256541 351489 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not really *that* perfect, but still good. < 1304256661 21029 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish there was an application that let you display text in gnome's notification area on the panel < 1304256677 830709 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember searching for it a lot about 6 months ago, i should search again < 1304256761 572948 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :All variables are initialized to 0, that BEGIN is superfluous < 1304256777 701296 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, good to know, thanks < 1304256795 579854 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can match in awk too, put /\// in front of your print-+=-block < 1304256815 198086 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, this option you brought up surprised me, i'd expect this to be something that is handled inside the language, not when invoking the runtime < 1304256829 495051 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, nice < 1304256831 616700 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try that < 1304256871 104398 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC that option is very much not recommended by the manual < 1304256887 731664 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1304256888 352357 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's the only way of doing it that I remember by heart < 1304256891 261395 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more reason to use it < 1304256896 786989 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah < 1304256983 53367 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. if the thing is *splitting* bad blocks.. why would the sum *increase* in size? < 1304257010 351060 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see it steadily growing from 13.0049 to nearly 14 by now < 1304257057 687591 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 13.9736 now! < 1304257236 712012 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :man watch is ridiculous underdocumentation. < 1304260720 167925 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am flabbergast < 1304260724 937500 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's up to ~21.5 < 1304260752 365020 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the error size, as reported by ddrescue, is monotonically decaying < 1304262599 989426 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's up < 1304263169 312492 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304263308 679020 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1304263359 364389 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1304263714 304289 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304263739 2157 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-95-139.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304263739 392089 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-95-139.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1304263739 581451 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304263932 665372 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304263982 340739 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO GUYS < 1304263982 757628 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1304264310 996258 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-95-139.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304264311 185656 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-95-139.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1304264311 185805 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304264446 563481 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1304264453 57740 :clog_!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304264466 537251 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /9/0*********//8/0********//7/0*******//6/0******//5/0*****//4/0****//3/0***//2/0**//1/0*//*0/0**********//0//3 < 1304264468 938588 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** < 1304264472 549974 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /9/0*********//8/0********//7/0*******//6/0******//5/0*****//4/0****//3/0***//2/0**//1/0*//*0/0**********//0//72 < 1304264473 420020 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :************************************************************************ < 1304264490 17426 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304264492 117545 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, thanks for your awk help earlier < 1304264495 766158 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was pretty cool < 1304264520 135245 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /9/0*********//8/0********//7/0*******//6/0******//5/0*****//4/0****//3/0***//2/0**//1/0*//*0/0**********//0//10 < 1304264520 974610 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :********** < 1304265911 844533 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-7-63.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304265974 933178 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304266002 943401 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-95-139.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304266003 133059 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-95-139.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1304266003 133141 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304266468 658968 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304266734 632101 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1304267324 679248 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1304267815 729806 :Kouta_!1000@078088161004.static.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1304269118 186983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304269182 217295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:44:15: is it possible to output every string with this language?? < 1304269182 406860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:44:20: I think some strings cannot be output < 1304269184 551666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :untrue < 1304269207 372564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:05:29: if you have /s/blahblahblah/ how do produce "s"s < 1304269214 972297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't, you have to find another way to structure hings < 1304269217 359210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :things < 1304269251 320064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:48:03: -!- Dentist[1] has joined #esoteric. < 1304269251 766394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:49:33: Free IRC Bouncers! irc://irc.bitsjointirc.net:6667/ZNC < 1304269251 956068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:49:35: Free IRC Bouncers! irc://irc.bitsjointirc.net:6667/ZNC < 1304269251 956157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:49:35: -!- Dentist[1] has quit (Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.))). < 1304269256 455735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome i can't wait to get my free bouncer < 1304269292 221896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:15:43: cheater2: you have so much more a sensible attitude to a hard disk crash than Sgeo < 1304269305 242155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how can a hard disk lose data just by sitting around broken for days IT MAKES NO SENSE I'll recover the data later < 1304269320 365866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by sitting around broken for days while you repeatedly try to start it up < 1304269341 758420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: [proceeds to ignore you and then acts incredulously later when told that the data is likely unrecoverable] < 1304269532 542472 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so what did sgeo do with his hard drive? < 1304269536 73302 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304269553 330264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater2: repeatedly tried to start it up, then left it for weeks < 1304269566 819033 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was not inside a computer for weeks < 1304269570 725810 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that's any help < 1304269572 158424 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1304269573 398052 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it not show up in bios? < 1304269583 717935 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1304269590 227760 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if it's not any help: It's now months < 1304269591 807439 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(:( < 1304269597 646998 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't change much < 1304269598 201019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :youve lost all that valuable nothing < 1304269605 426645 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, did it show up in bios? < 1304269615 964925 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, was it found during POST? < 1304269621 434324 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater2, I don't remember, I think so < 1304269633 423175 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many bad sectors did it have? < 1304269633 813901 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1304269640 972981 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember < 1304269642 22826 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what was the issue? < 1304269653 521289 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do remember this channel helping me figure out a dd to use < 1304269655 352325 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it have your operating system on it? < 1304269662 340843 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't have any other computer to actually do it with < 1304269677 369215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we told you exactly what to do < 1304269684 669171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you gave up after you realised it would take at least a day < 1304269690 78867 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have another computer. It's just it doesn't support the hard drive < 1304269697 147981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask for help -> get help -> refuse to perform help -> repeat < 1304269717 965811 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I get a HD .. thing, then I'll do it < 1304269718 204305 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, it would be fairly nice if you could answer :3 < 1304269720 149661 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ergh, linux does *not* do well in oom situations < 1304269725 166225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: IT IS TOO LATE < 1304269730 236622 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater2, yes, my OS was on it < 1304269735 134589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You had your chance, the disk is totally fucked at this point, give up. < 1304269743 593609 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, did it boot up or at least begin to boot up? < 1304269780 380440 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think < 1304269788 936036 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird, most of the hard drive crashes i've encountered in more recent years have been failures of the circuit board or something, not mechanical failures/bad sectors/whatever < 1304269796 496917 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why that should be < 1304269801 778656 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, did it show something to the effect "no system disk found" etc? < 1304269813 438052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: yeah except < 1304269816 838772 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater2, this was months ago, I don't remember < 1304269821 236840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: in this case it's because sgeo's hands are fucking retarded and he dropped it < 1304269830 56273 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1304269830 836458 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if that's what it was, then you can probably recover 100% of your data < 1304269831 355999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because its really easy to drop a laptop you're holding < 1304269837 185818 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :without a lot of problems < 1304269837 413777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if it's covered in butter < 1304269857 534751 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately the only time i tried there were a LOT of problems and the dude never called us back < 1304269859 743879 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jackass :| < 1304269867 403394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was secretly a robot < 1304269870 419003 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the meantime, this laptop has been dropped several times with no issues < 1304269870 819227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plotting against you :( < 1304269874 222238 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh if it's mechanically damaged it might be more difficult < 1304269876 862996 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, he was hungry and ate it for lunch < 1304269885 282529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: wow would you please concentrate on not being a moron who drops things for no reason < 1304269888 281247 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still possible you'd recover most of your data < 1304269890 921370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than selecting laptops based on their resilience to dropping < 1304269895 848637 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: yes, that just goes to show that dropping laptops is never going to have problem < 1304269897 532039 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1304269897 970874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe itll be an incentive if your laptop breaks every few days < 1304269904 842641 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :get yourself a toughbook < 1304269906 713059 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's elliott's problem? not taken the pills today? < 1304269909 90683 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can drop it all you like < 1304269922 968818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: no Sgeo_ lives on top of a gigantic mesa < 1304269925 668295 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :drive over it, leave it outside in puddles, etc. < 1304269926 787956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with gigantic holes everywhere < 1304269938 917105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops there goes another one down the hole < 1304269942 905398 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they dropped a toughbook in testing from some fairly high buildings :P < 1304269972 323985 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, apparently they say 6 feet < 1304269973 184404 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea toughbooks are cool < 1304269975 349430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: were talking miles high here < 1304269981 614801 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the lenovos are fairly resilient to droppage too < 1304269984 922900 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i wanna say they were dropping from like 3 stories or 6 < 1304269986 512860 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1304270017 990310 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know a military dude who's used toughbooks in the field, he says they're amazing < 1304270024 81852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wow my bct interpreter is a bit slow i guess < 1304270027 871277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR < 1304270028 258976 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except he doesn't think the new ones are good < 1304270028 448366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :broken < 1304270064 815887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep i think broken < 1304270112 382038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah ok this program is only meant to last 43074 steps < 1304270128 486185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1304270131 950386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the test program was wrong < 1304270213 416353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo this is going to be like a hundred megabyte trace < 1304270234 982029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey does anyone know how to turn a file with lines of zeros and ones < 1304270236 871200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :into a monochrome bitmap < 1304270238 594100 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked a question in math software if anyone knows software to solve this problem.. but it's just this guy saying he has years of experience in problems like this and I should learn linear algebra < 1304270244 490923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1304270252 29862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's that text to pbm thing... < 1304270472 1082 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoying < 1304270510 197993 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, if you still want to recover that stuff, i could walk you through it < 1304270511 96565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbmtext: object too large < 1304270512 337686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on < 1304270531 746378 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater2, I think I know what to do < 1304270540 475602 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a matter of getting the hardware to do it < 1304270550 4729 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotcha < 1304270552 63913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol it literally just renders the text < 1304270555 73834 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how big is that hdd? < 1304270672 591126 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember offhand < 1304271150 45438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe ill just use pygame or whatever < 1304271336 497651 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :use sed to convert your file into an xpm < 1304271346 279988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, just got up to the top 100 in the world on this Pokémon simulator (playing the "official" Pokémon Company rules, not the fanmade ones) < 1304271367 175769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's a really luck-based format, so it's hard to see just how good individual people are < 1304271378 813659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i don't really know the xpm format < 1304271383 927951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i could learn it OH < 1304271385 454574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that C thing < 1304271387 204796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck that < 1304271404 746661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe PPM or something < 1304271424 180869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok PPM looks kind of easy < 1304271428 762985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll need to pad out all lines though < 1304271435 254591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what pygame will be easier < 1304271438 686082 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats on your pokeymans i guess? < 1304271452 382806 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there would be fanmade rules, are they totally broken or just somewhat? :P < 1304271512 106923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: condolences on your potemkins < 1304272036 70816 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304272197 736574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the results from this bct visualiser aren't so interesting so far < 1304272532 101590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh now this is interesting < 1304272554 373547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it barely looks like it's doing anything at all < 1304273069 992583 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304275145 261610 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304276053 848431 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304276081 434793 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-95-139.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304276081 728463 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-95-139.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1304276081 917810 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304277870 282076 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304278163 842568 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1304278170 967537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello oerjan joaeran < 1304278179 74440 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evening < 1304278181 771509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote a self-bct visualisation program but it is a bit boring? < 1304278240 919345 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...how do you make something like that not boring, anyway < 1304278253 352917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well wolfram CAs tend to be quite pretty? < 1304278260 178542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this not as much, it's kind of cool though < 1304278291 362978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it looks pretty much like keymaker's clue :D http://esolangs.org/w/images/1/1e/Clue-110data.png < 1304278297 562384 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this is more like a TM in that it only changes in a couple places at a tie < 1304278300 670268 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*time < 1304278308 972563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it literally only changes in one place at a time < 1304278315 598738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it either appends a bit or deletes the first bit < 1304278321 16027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the only change you'll ever see < 1304278365 344464 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok "a couple places" applies to a little longer time than one generation < 1304278372 746303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1304278386 967801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think if you rendered it in a sort of DNAy spiral way it might look pretty? < 1304278409 543307 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mayhaps < 1304278498 736425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan's just sitting on his proof that selfbct is tc < 1304278503 684168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sitting on it and cackling < 1304278557 802600 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott has such a lively imagination < 1304278613 208201 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304278696 368614 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know how to solve this problem? I have integer rectangle matrix A and want to find Ax = 0 < 1304278701 495526 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than x = 0 < 1304278709 505700 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean a vector of integers or rationals x < 1304278725 324705 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :can Gaussian elimination do it? I don't have code for that :/ < 1304278803 673762 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, gaussian elimination preserves rationality so you should get a rational basis < 1304278870 241926 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :any idea where to get the code? < 1304278910 647540 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, um < 1304278913 210673 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to write the TeX file for recording D&D (3.5e) games < 1304278945 259632 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what Ker A is, right? < 1304278961 255662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, maybe I should graph length of data string over time or something < 1304278990 318597 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure there are lots of implementations. my determinant code uses it but it's a bit too intertwined < 1304279017 395248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: want to play with my self-bct stuff? :P < 1304279037 121000 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :mabe < 1304279042 403631 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to solve this first though < 1304279071 174224 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you need to solve it < 1304279083 314994 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it for a 3d computer graphics problem? < 1304279093 149602 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1304279098 286665 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the usage? < 1304279102 789837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no what < 1304279113 88157 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :im trying to generate a number theoretically interesting polynomial < 1304279113 649797 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you're not the king and queen of cheese < 1304279184 458007 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well < 1304279198 741733 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's why I need rationals as opposed to numerical) < 1304279201 590371 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if A: V->W, then take the basis of V < 1304279207 62462 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and transform by A < 1304279227 511933 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater2: I would really like code that solves it < 1304279229 509259 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then W\span{AB} is going to be Ker A < 1304279239 840860 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw the matrix is rectangular < 1304279240 592873 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would really like you to caress my nuts < 1304279247 112965 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we can trade them < 1304279250 530168 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's why it has a kernel < 1304279311 720707 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually no, it's not why it has a kernel < 1304279314 227421 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1304279334 122817 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just transform the basis of V by A and see what you do not get < 1304279335 583141 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afair basically you append an identity matrix to A, then reduce to row-echelon form. the final rows where the part from A has become 0 give the x coordinates for a kernel basis in the appended part < 1304279363 149938 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, your solution isn't so easy to implement in code 'tho < 1304279376 83989 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um why not... < 1304279396 564132 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can take numpy and whip up what i mentioned right away < 1304279427 995536 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did remember he needed _rationals_? < 1304279452 807259 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so unless numpy can do exact arithmetic, it need not apply < 1304279469 30815 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rationals are fine, just define __mul__ < 1304279472 534686 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :god dammit I fucking hate < 1304279476 982506 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1304279479 180703 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :this blogger posted LHS < 1304279489 143659 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's importing code in his other posts < 1304279491 644100 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i think it might be able to, oerjan < 1304279494 963486 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :just link to a .hs file :/ < 1304279503 747482 :Kouta_!1000@078088161004.static.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1304279509 678771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import http://foo.blogspot.com/... < 1304279510 695086 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ lhs < 1304279528 134428 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually you need to reduce columns not rows maybe < 1304279535 504763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think cheater2 is wrong, i don't think numpy works with arbitrary objects < 1304279540 533484 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait no < 1304279548 161200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since a large amount of the point is to have tight C loops... < 1304279552 512128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which calling into python would break < 1304279552 701452 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1304279610 450559 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just multiply all entries so that everything will be integers < 1304279613 991939 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and keep a multiplicand < 1304279614 547901 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304279755 903570 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : then W\span{AB} is going to be Ker A <-- i don't think that is quite right. i vaguely recall the correct theorem involves transposing the matrices somewhere < 1304279909 969362 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, B is a set, not a matrix. < 1304279934 538098 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :\mathbb{B} is the usual denotation for the basis of a vector space. < 1304279936 688816 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even so < 1304279947 136225 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1304279962 928840 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about it.. the range of A is defined by the basis of V < 1304279964 123530 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what do you mean by W\ anyway < 1304279985 159129 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :set difference. < 1304279997 311207 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case you're _really_ wrong < 1304280009 550454 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that < 1304280023 199277 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, haha < 1304280051 736904 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need to A^-1 that stuff, wouldn't you < 1304280065 794896 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1304280086 527675 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which rather defeats the purpose < 1304280090 855110 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, the idea is to find the basis of \span{AB}, then extend that to a basis of W, then take just the extension and translate it back to V. then you have Ker A. < 1304280123 720433 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that doesn't work, the span of A does not determine the kernel of A, period < 1304280210 603497 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1304280219 936655 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not entirely sure, but i think the correct theorem may be something like ker A = (span(A^T))^{_|_} < 1304280226 951312 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right, i'm so wrong :D < 1304280254 470600 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, this is so bad < 1304280269 949916 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck it ill just fucking solve the system myself by hand < 1304280279 178091 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION used to know this stuff once :)
< 1304280319 836799 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that theorem extends to hilbert space operators and stuff < 1304280574 12540 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I had a tool that would let me do row operations really easily < 1304280753 465839 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: i think my suggestion requires column operations, although that's a trivial difference < 1304280765 99127 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what rows or colums are < 1304280776 616550 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :im doing 10x10 gauss elimination by hand < 1304280788 792658 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm rows are horizontal and columns are vertical... < 1304280797 143587 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that it? < 1304280801 482042 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304280810 550909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wait wait i feel a witty coming on < 1304280813 960582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your MOM is horizontal < 1304280814 810886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok done < 1304280828 18254 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, afair we didn't bury her standing < 1304280850 995539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im gonna go into #deadrelatives and make your mom and dead baby jokes all day long < 1304280987 86986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sure hope XigXag is TC :) < 1304280993 335077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait < 1304280999 705147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has exponential growth for almost all programs < 1304281003 925209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess it inherently isn't? < 1304281008 464589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you can encode a halting state < 1304281065 98317 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :evangelic spam on freenode, in #perl. Huh < 1304281070 716838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh so tempting < 1304281072 558394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it < 1304281075 738178 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(speaking of which, why was my client in there) < 1304281084 587221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's larry wall doing it < 1304281089 409257 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1304281097 786591 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IDLEONE HERE! IF YOU DIED TODAY DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP? NIGGERS, GAYS, JEWS AND FREENODE STAFF ARE ALL GOING TO BURN IN HELL.. IF YOU ARE ONE OF THESE YOU NEED TO ASK JESUS CHRIST FOR FORGIVENESS. [proceeding to highlight every nick in channel]" < 1304281100 538705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that < 1304281108 427357 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1304281108 616879 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not evangelic.. < 1304281109 546316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--Larry Wall < 1304281111 484852 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's someone just trolling < 1304281119 886999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: stop being intolerant to larry wall < 1304281125 674110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola, evangelism is trolling! < 1304281129 353579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes < 1304281134 613253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the idea of a religion where being freenode staffer is a sin though < 1304281160 830795 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that what's going ot happen is... I solve thsi thing then the answer doesn't work < 1304281168 170297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do taht a lto. < 1304281181 829810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo day? < 1304281188 351290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mispeled tpyo and dya < 1304281189 853972 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry I meant tyop dya < 1304281201 628562 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, tyop not tpyo < 1304281203 797783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jgeus ist nto hdar < 1304281208 376959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gte ti rhgit < 1304281213 376718 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wall.org/~larry/ < 1304281219 497433 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, jgeus? < 1304281228 757639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm allowed to typo a typo < 1304281233 83467 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the helll < 1304281249 433290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: stop discriminatingery < 1304281266 202130 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I meant: what does "jgeus" mean? < 1304281274 360863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a typo of jegus :P < 1304281313 388382 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1304281318 107586 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :*looks up that word* < 1304281323 916862 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :larry wall has a black on blinding yellow website about perl and cornea transplants. < 1304281332 306795 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uh "No definitions were found for jegus." < 1304281335 676453 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how. amazing. < 1304281345 234882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :days since vorpal has told elliott he doesn't know what jegus is: 0 < 1304281350 464959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :previous days since vorpal has told elliott he doesn't know what jegus is: like two? maybe three < 1304281352 274996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the most < 1304281355 554642 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nooo < 1304281356 954456 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :u jelus? < 1304281360 994376 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me Grep! Logs! < 1304281434 957568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm where is it... < 1304281445 326321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it was gog < 1304281478 424268 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT WHO WAS GOG? < 1304281524 859606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its then not but < 1304281538 338303 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, jegus was never used before 2011-04-30 in this channel as far as clog knows < 1304281541 486823 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is clog btw < 1304281548 533938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :down like always < 1304281553 476959 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> select * from irc.logs where body ilike '%jegus%'; < 1304281553 666631 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : serial | tstamp | nick | target | uhost | type | body < 1304281553 666833 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :---------+---------------------+----------+--------+-------+------+------------------------------------------------------ < 1304281553 666945 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2276817 | 2011-04-30 06:43:48 | elliott | | | 0 | crystal-cola: jegus go to bed already < 1304281554 427295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `where' < 1304281554 616868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2277258 | 2011-04-30 20:35:42 | elliott_ | | | 0 | Sgeo: don't know/care/anything/really/honestly/jegus < 1304281558 576806 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2 rows) < 1304281559 117179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why arent you rsyncing the glogbot logs thats quicker < 1304281575 315596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I need to parse them. Different parser < 1304281578 635239 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik < 1304281579 125961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just use < 1304281579 514797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep < 1304281584 758894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, takes longer < 1304281589 824441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, than a FTS index < 1304281593 25053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can narrow it down to just this year obviously... < 1304281598 113725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fgrep is insanely fucking fast < 1304281605 740396 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, my disks are not! < 1304281616 79104 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have SATA 1 < 1304281633 500521 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and medium-speed (7200 RPM) disks. < 1304281649 860469 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to upgrade to SATA N < 1304281661 319193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sata 2? < 1304281683 10996 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of wind here today < 1304281709 375720 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I just inserted n for you < 1304281758 782393 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what she said < 1304281794 629208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1304281844 592909 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :>X( < 1304281862 302692 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :this doesn't make any sense < 1304281941 93896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1304282331 680690 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't working at all < 1304282792 940425 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can you do loops with slahes? < 1304282805 999802 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. it is rather complicated though, see the wiki page. < 1304282844 116344 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you need to use quine-making techniques) < 1304282941 111029 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304282968 505989 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1304282980 834351 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEA6D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, I already found the mechanism on that wiki page. But thanks anyway. < 1304283004 852476 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome < 1304283054 38509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i have exclamation mark < 1304283065 537201 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :never ! < 1304283092 13464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh wow a slashes quine with \/ will be hard (trying to replicate your achievement) < 1304283095 224775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops look at that i give up < 1304283151 924877 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : is it possible to output every string with this language?? < 1304283153 908984 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304283182 56690 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just prepend \ to every / and \ < 1304283276 433386 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the quine is heavily influenced by the previous work of the BCT interpreter in finding out how to encode tokens without ambiguity. moreover there's a small adjustment because the exact same encoding didn't work < 1304283287 517609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're an ambiguity < 1304283294 828122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes < 1304283296 894592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he meant IO-complete style < 1304283309 186449 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um /// has no input < 1304283331 125347 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still yes in my opinion < 1304283355 643248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :O-complete :) < 1304283358 162181 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEA6D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think his problem was, if you have a construct /x/s/, you can't use x as a character in s. < 1304283372 950770 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :siracusa: all you have to do is be careful not to use single-character abbreviations and tokens, and then printing any single character is relatively easy < 1304283376 232122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :siracusa: it was more < 1304283379 540260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :after /x/s/ you can never have x again < 1304283382 669530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need to do it a different way < 1304283393 548765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: any thoughts on thue->/// compilation btw? < 1304283407 277636 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is no problem as long as you do tokens with more than one character < 1304283416 705653 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes i've pondered that occasionally < 1304283432 755492 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEA6D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you just use a character combination that will never occur in the rest of the program? < 1304283442 264469 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe it's easiest if you do it in a parallel fashion < 1304283453 503759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :siracusa: yep < 1304283498 169740 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :siracusa: an important trick here is that if you have more than one character in a token, say CH, then you can still "mention" that token by escaping it with C\H < 1304283520 598078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh does that actually work < 1304283521 171360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1304283524 827536 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the mention itself won't be affected < 1304283532 169262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /CH/poop/CH C\H < 1304283533 306984 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :poop CH < 1304283551 495209 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEA6D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, nice < 1304283559 924220 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can use the mention to make new copies of the token < 1304283709 542216 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in practice when using the loop quoting mechanism, you use that for separating a token instead. although sometimes i've had to do both, it depends on when the new program copy is unpacked and what needs to be done after that < 1304283713 901310 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1304283773 484082 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric : how to do character substituion < 1304283783 695384 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :like say you want a->x, b->y < 1304283789 914440 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to turn abba into abbaxyyx < 1304283807 763267 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what strings is it not possible for slashes to output? < 1304283817 72995 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: about thue, because it is non-deterministic you can simply apply _all_ the thue substitutions each cycle, and the result will be a consistent thue running path < 1304283832 510955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: heh, cool < 1304283847 399466 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i believe would simplify the compilation into /// greatly < 1304283867 560909 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: it is possible to output all strings < 1304283943 653752 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : how to turn abba into abbaxyyz <-- you will need to use the quoting trick to be able to handle different copies of abba differently < 1304283981 218448 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you actualy can't do it? < 1304283988 37238 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you could turn uvvu into abbaxyyx < 1304283992 637128 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not abba into abbaxyyx? < 1304284010 121283 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nevermind that's the same thing, just the second one takes two steps. < 1304284012 165196 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see it now < 1304284047 902983 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: well i was assuming you meant in a general fashion < 1304284088 856458 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /ba/Zxyyx//Z/b\a//abba < 1304284109 975117 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1304284112 517641 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /ba/Zxyyx//Z/b\a/abba < 1304284113 736544 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :abbaxyyx < 1304284162 112687 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: another possibility is to iterate over the abba from one side to the other. < 1304284198 469637 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in general things get simpler if you don't demand your strings be represented "raw" < 1304284218 758071 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iteration requires some kind of loop, of course < 1304284246 565422 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although possibly a simpler, fixed number iteration one) < 1304284594 433221 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304284596 788122 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLEGH!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1304284616 482243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: what < 1304284626 392378 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am frustrated < 1304284639 410458 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't get any software that I wanted and I couldn't solve by hand either < 1304284657 280163 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will have to write a proper program to do this some day in the future < 1304284669 876206 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a hassle < 1304284684 616516 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEA6D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solve what? < 1304284695 794754 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ax=0 < 1304284707 394667 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks easy :/ < 1304284751 790892 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: maybe http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/Vec/0.9.6/doc/html/Data-Vec-LinAlg.html ? < 1304284766 99411 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I couldn't figure out how to use that :RS < 1304284796 518316 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type classes do look a little hairy... < 1304284840 893255 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEA6D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha, the context of solve goes over two lines. < 1304284861 492064 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'd imagine there would be _some_ instance combination involving Rationals and lists available... < 1304284915 377396 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might be an interesting programming problem when im not so annoyed about not being able to solve it immediately < 1304284923 525947 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe that :. thing < 1304284981 541135 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEA6D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The list of instances here is not meant to be readable" < 1304285020 768097 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Vectors are represented by lists with type-encoded lengths." < 1304285039 846453 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that means [] lists are out of the question < 1304285111 300446 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEA6D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304285194 822247 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hmatrix seems to be single and double floating point only... < 1304285539 387463 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seesm that I have been /away since the begninng of November :-S < 1304285589 739916 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-7-63.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304285650 853015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: :D < 1304285655 710869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: where have you been :P < 1304285669 41626 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSPA < 1304285681 831047 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS paint adventures < 1304285687 990147 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not actually drawn in MS paint) < 1304285690 472840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol it's eating up all of us < 1304285698 237480 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a co-incidence < 1304285709 638183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon there will be no #esoteric, just a bunch of idlers < 1304285713 118090 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am running a forum adventure on the forums < 1304285746 516129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :"Programming may one day be about getting the maths right" -- Alan Alda | "Functional programming is more than just esoteric; it’s becoming somewhat cool." -- Tiger Woods | "Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D" --John McCain < 1304285749 365468 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given how inventive I am with usernames, I think you have the information to find it < 1304285751 623071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, topic fixed < 1304285764 963323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :"Programming may one day be about getting the maths right" -- Alan Alda | "Functional programming is more than just esoteric; it’s becoming somewhat cool." -- Tiger Woods | "Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D" -- John McCain < 1304285785 12040 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ancient babylonian quote < 1304285790 91481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arf arf arf < 1304285848 706496 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sooner or later, any sufficiently-good quotation will become attributed to someone more famous than whoever originally said it." -- Winston Churchill < 1304285863 25303 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually me) < 1304285869 506031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Mark Twain < 1304285875 739990 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304285882 183326 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must say < 1304285891 285737 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mark twain suits that quote better than winston < 1304286017 331977 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it is better to re-arrange the phrases: "Any sufficiently-good quotation sooner ora later becomes attributed to someone more famous than whoever originally said it." < 1304286086 685992 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's "forall quotations (exist a time after which (...))", not the other way round < 1304286090 317505 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh i think the original phrasing was better < 1304286128 402136 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they both map to the same fol expression semantically < 1304286130 502516 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :get out of this channel you... liberal-arts major < 1304286132 371736 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :english is weird like that < 1304286141 311361 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fol"? < 1304286142 101371 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any sufficiently-good quotation is indistinguishable from fame < 1304286169 648586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :liberal-arts fol < 1304286177 168261 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :any sufficiently formulaic expression is indistinguishable from its snowclones < 1304286205 975313 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any sufficiently-well understood magic is by definition a technology < 1304286214 785701 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :"99% of quotations are misattributed" -- Einstein < 1304286232 633400 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: i read approximately that one in girl genius < 1304286233 393231 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :83% of statistics are made up on the spot < 1304286246 512937 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, yeah I remember that < 1304286248 941382 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :83% of quotations are made up on the spot < 1304286260 530554 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :"83% of quotations are made up on the spot" - SimonRC < 1304286290 628862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Oscar Wilde < 1304286293 177882 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"100% of quotations have been made up by someone" - quintopia < 1304286307 208945 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to 2 decimal places) < 1304286355 422493 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :96% of fictional matter isn't real < 1304286368 731829 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and fiction is far stranger than truth) < 1304286376 30848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--SimonRC < 1304286399 879028 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what *he* said. < 1304286400 320136 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :"US Patent #5,893,120 has been reduced to mathematical formulae as a demonstration of the oft-ignored fact that there is an equivalence relation between programs and mathematics. You may recognize Patent #5,893,210 as the one over which Google was ordered to pay $5M for infringing due to some code in Linux." -- Shakespear < 1304286428 186509 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I invented the mle form of that independantly AFAICR) < 1304286437 675507 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(After reading some articles on feminism.) < 1304286451 24755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mle fol < 1304286485 713085 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this "fol" thing? < 1304286515 640475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a typo you made :D < 1304286518 610855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1304286520 330277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia made it < 1304286533 607937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm just appending it to every typo you make :P < 1304286565 634700 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented "loq" for when I loled silently too. < 1304286597 192177 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :WBFULGFWUNBOUWFNA < 1304286600 402516 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304286617 813174 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: ?? < 1304286633 828451 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "radicals" are stupid < 1304286640 181491 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :square roots and cube roots and stuff < 1304286640 456300 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ( http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=FOL <-- so now you know) < 1304286648 607524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: you're radical < 1304286654 956723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: FROWN OUT LOUD < 1304286709 722227 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i am pretty sure it wasn't a typo when quintopia made it < 1304286721 705427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right first-order logic < 1304286724 80839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you're a fol oerjan < 1304286725 211259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a fol < 1304286743 19329 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i keep quantifying things < 1304286756 925367 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as any fule kno < 1304286764 977210 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-- Nigel Molesworth) < 1304286778 956791 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.universalrejection.org/ < 1304286785 175408 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :The founding principle of the Journal of Universal Rejection (JofUR) is rejection. Universal rejection. That is to say, all submissions, regardless of quality, will be rejected. Despite that apparent drawback, here are a number of reasons you may choose to submit to the JofUR: < 1304286796 590690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a print edition < 1304286826 492394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it'll be delayed until they have enough accepted submissions to make a full issue < 1304286833 731492 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1304286834 393210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they've released issues, see the site < 1304286841 612054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they empty? < 1304286843 488905 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could sell it as a joke to fund the place < 1304286849 380534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm not your web browser < 1304286849 683076 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1304286891 327044 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You may claim to have submitted to the most prestigious journal (judged by acceptance rate)." < 1304286894 504952 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY < 1304287390 465220 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304287398 433980 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://reprobatiocerta.blogspot.com/ < 1304287430 961891 :p_q!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1304287789 874903 :p_q!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304287944 326970 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304288341 412494 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A life spent coming up with inane quotes is wasted" - Mark Twain < 1304288383 479047 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HOPE HE SAID NOTHING ABOUT PUNS < 1304288464 894372 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1304288493 499418 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's "pune" < 1304288509 878313 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, the real spelling's pun, but Death's spelling is pune) < 1304288582 311902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I doubt that was the sole reason elliott ignored you, although it might have been the last straw < 1304288603 999323 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely certain that he really did ignore me, just said that he was. I hope >.> < 1304288608 400120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1304288611 10387 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1304288766 706020 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :"Programming may one day be about getting the maths right" -- Alan Alda | "Functional programming is more than just esoteric; it’s becoming somewhat cool." -- Tiger Woods | "Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D" -- John "Satan" McCain < 1304288904 414259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot: great topic! < 1304288914 563706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Gregor: < 1304288936 241744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the above is proof that my fingers have memorised pinging Gregor on one character < 1304288960 599311 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION renames EgoBot to GregoBot and HackEgo to GackEgo
< 1304288973 308492 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION particularly likes "GregoBot" :P
< 1304288982 647384 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also that your client doesn't apply last speaker priority < 1304288992 516782 :p_q!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1304288994 386606 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or... < 1304289017 816498 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yes. < 1304289109 746770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it does, Gregor hadn't spoken all day < 1304289118 806570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think it just picked the first in alphabetical order < 1304289175 208909 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1304289223 814061 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Illogical < 1304289294 889183 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Ping reply from ais523: 1304238071.85 second(s) < 1304289297 470872 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guh? < 1304289314 318640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: are you /sure/ you didn't send me a ping that long ago? < 1304289332 467136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Internet wasn't that developed back then < 1304289339 916377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would have taken a long time to roundtrip < 1304289360 666569 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears that that was the current Unix timestamp :P < 1304289370 673858 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you pinged me on January 1, 1970. < 1304289373 751075 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1304289383 243155 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1304289394 732643 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it scary that I recognised the timestamp? < 1304289419 244041 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cause I keep seeing things around that are named after it, so it is only natural < 1304289426 519203 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did the math :P < 1304289438 594685 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:34 CTCP PING reply from Gregor: 0.687 seconds < 1304289438 784061 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:34 CTCP PING reply from Gregor: 0.832 seconds < 1304289438 784242 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:34 CTCP PING reply from Gregor: 1.122 seconds < 1304289452 596736 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: _someone_ is outdoing you, here... < 1304289465 945765 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh of course, oerjan is in Acandanavia < 1304289469 765855 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You are outdoing them here!!! < 1304289473 238557 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Scandanavia < 1304289481 972872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I entered a plausible timestamp, but your client seems to use a different format for its pings < 1304289486 605095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so failed to parse it < 1304289517 911599 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ping replies are not supposed to make up timestamps < 1304289529 660293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they're meant to be a copy of the ping itself < 1304289534 839935 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1304289538 519476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most clients, when pinging, put the current time in the ping, in some format < 1304289546 9048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they can match up pings and pongs < 1304289551 59029 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never PINGED though. < 1304289553 475065 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet you ponged me :P < 1304289558 705824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and often, if you pong them with a timestamp, they assume they sent the matching ping < 1304289592 945553 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com NOTICE #esoteric :
PING
< 1304289620 422734 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :h i z z 0 < 1304289641 931012 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: my client doesn't parse that without an argument < 1304289647 990286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just showed the NOTICE literally < 1304289649 859554 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine neither < 1304289652 406348 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEA6D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Malformed ping reply from zzo38." O.o < 1304289658 291311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I don't think it parses ping replies sent to channel < 1304289671 349530 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did that just to see what would happen < 1304289681 27383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NOTICE #esoteric :
PING 1304238071
< 1304289695 546383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :siracusa: was mine correctly formed? < 1304289696 925657 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:40 CTCP PING reply from ais523: 51404.370 seconds < 1304289703 115296 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEA6D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Nope < 1304289715 334465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's... bizzarre < 1304289718 686130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave a recent UNIX timestamp < 1304289732 342546 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is recent, sort of :D < 1304289897 49075 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : and often, if you pong them with a timestamp, they assume they sent the matching ping <-- well if a client _does_ check for matches then it doesn't actually need to send a timestamp, it could use any id < 1304289905 148178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed < 1304289924 496121 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since the main point of matching would then be to find the original time sent... < 1304290486 177873 :MDude1350!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304290530 424335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[CTCP] Received CTCP-PING reply from zzo38: 1,304,289,356 seconds. < 1304290637 762087 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEA6D.dip.t-dialin.net PART :#esoteric < 1304290789 764295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :scarf < 1304290798 321022 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1304291020 15437 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes /away for a few months again.
< 1304291070 967543 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304291097 275449 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC is secretly a STL starship captain < 1304291113 681585 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, planetship < 1304291360 422727 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1304291528 719129 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What category of programming languages would classified TeX? < 1304291545 507216 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imperative, surely < 1304291564 454741 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :macro < 1304291566 154951 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is, but in addition to commands it also has macro expansions < 1304291589 452096 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in other words too; imperative programming languages can belong to other categories too < 1304291598 201785 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said macro < 1304291603 811453 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's a category < 1304291669 85948 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rendering might be one... < 1304291683 430153 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Macros can also modify themself!! And you can save the old state of things for later, for example: \ifnum\pageno=0 {\let\xyzzy} \else [Do Something Else] \fi \xyzzy < 1304291737 819189 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does typesetting as well, it doesn't actually render fonts though (that is what the printer driver will do) < 1304291745 380256 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1304291773 976837 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs to know sizes though < 1304291799 514743 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it does need to know sizes and various other information about the fonts, except for the actual pictures < 1304291977 596058 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other information includes: design size, em width, ex height, natural space width, space shrinkability, space stretchability, kerning, ligatures, italic corrections, height/depth of characters, widths of the bar above a math radical, etc < 1304291987 488834 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304292019 181707 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Client Quit < 1304292052 223826 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1304292184 431310 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file format that stores this information is very sensible in my opinion, and works without floating point. < 1304292319 210151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304292757 341297 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing missing from TeX in my opinion is the #0 command (like #1 and #2 and so on to access macro parameters, #0 would access the name of the macro itself, like $0 in shell scripts) < 1304293107 12735 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes aptitude makes some truly bizarre decisions. I try to install something which, as it turns out, requires a newer version of libc than I have. So its first suggestion is to uninstall half the system AND not install the package I requested. The SECOND suggestion is to upgrade libc and a few other packages that need to be upgraded with it (nothing uninstalled). < 1304293144 742168 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does it do that? If it is wrong, can you correct it or file a bug report? < 1304293603 236407 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304293978 325790 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304294199 948028 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1304294257 883028 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has no idea how to type in arbitrary unicode things
< 1304294258 962658 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1304294310 549091 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+0e angers at h5s Fn 2ey. < 1304294331 367051 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be back soon