00:00:06 Agora would never have been that sloppy 00:00:22 ais523: this is pretty standard 00:00:36 it's still ridiculous, despite being standard 00:00:46 ais523: It gets more fun if they repeal that act 00:01:07 Does it un-amend the other act? 00:01:16 as they might do, as an act saying how to do a referendum on AV is a little irrelevant after the referendum's happened, and it doesn't give any provision for holding another one 00:01:26 blown up by the unamender 00:01:32 ais523: It has other stuff in it 00:01:35 it won't get repealed 00:01:41 plus they wouldn't repeal it just because it does nothing 00:01:44 that's a silly reason 00:09:42 This is a country which doesn't even repeal laws just because it's impossible to know what the law actually said when copies of it still existed. :P 00:26:25 haha: the journalist here was interviewing a Lib Dem MP as to why the Liberals were doing so badly in this election 00:26:58 and he said, more or less, that it's the first time in 70 years the Liberals were trying to do an election while actually in government, and they didn't have a lot of practice 00:28:41 (1) A constituency shall not have an area of more than 13,000 square kilometres. (2) A constituency does not have to comply with rule 2(1)(a) if— (a) it has an area of more than 12,000 square kilometres, and (b) the Boundary Commission concerned are satisfied that it is not reasonably possible for the constituency to comply with that rule. 00:28:53 isn't (2)(a) completely redundant there? 00:29:21 as in, I don't think constituencies with areas less than 12000 square kilometers are particularly worried about also having to have areas less than 13000 square kilometers 00:32:41 On the one hand, a girl kissed me, not on the lips, but close 00:32:58 um since when is (1) and 2(1)(a) the same thing? 00:33:13 On the other hand, it was TA-TK. And there was a smell of smoke. Then again, the bus was crowded, it might have been someone else. 00:33:32 oerjan: oh, good point 00:44:55 hmm, how the hell did this law end up 287 pages long? 00:45:08 I can hardly be expected to learn all the laws, so as to be able to comply with them, if they're that long 00:45:29 -!- another has joined. 00:45:32 -!- variable has quit (Quit: /dev/io failed). 00:45:43 -!- another has changed nick to variable. 00:46:08 -!- kwertii has joined. 00:46:29 bleh, it seems that Birmingham overwhelmingly voted No in the AV referendum, despite my attempts 00:46:43 we just have to hope that other parts of the country are saner, now, but I don't have much hope 00:47:32 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 00:47:46 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:50:45 .bfjous 00:50:47 .bfjout 00:50:48 .bfjoust 00:50:53 !bfjoust 00:50:54 Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ 00:50:58 there we go 00:51:13 ooh, see if you can beat slowpoke 00:52:50 ais523: hang on a sec 00:52:56 * variable doubts I could beat slowpoke 00:53:42 ^def prefixes (Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?)S 00:53:42 Usage: ^def 00:53:47 ^def prefixes ul (Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?)S 00:53:48 Defined. 00:54:35 ^addinterp prefixes underload (Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?)S 00:54:40 !addinterp prefixes underload (Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?)S 00:54:40 oerjan: it considers the two possible cases 00:54:41 Interpreter prefixes installed. 00:54:46 ^prefixes 00:54:46 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? 00:54:47 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 00:54:47 Is the AV thing Britain, or some other ... thing similar, such as UK, or what? 00:54:50 !prefixes 00:54:52 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? 00:55:04 !bfjoust (>+<) 00:55:05 Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ 00:55:07 Sgeo: UK. 00:55:13 !bfjoust testing_something (>+<) 00:55:21 Score for variable_testing_something: 4.3 00:55:21 Sgeo: Britain is an island. 00:56:12 `echo 'echo \'Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?\'' >bin/prefixes 00:56:12 oerjan: i entered and was greeted with a cough and " thief." in there. 00:56:14 'echo \'Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?\'' >bin/prefixes 00:56:15 hmm, if you have a lot of time and want to lose faith in humanity: http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/102687/Electoral-reform-question-testing-full-report.pdf 00:56:27 oops 00:56:31 `run echo 'echo \'Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?\'' >bin/prefixes 00:56:32 oerjan: thus the build broke. 00:56:33 No output. 00:56:41 pikhq_: but the adjective of "UK" is "British", which is really confusing 00:56:44 `run chmod +x bin/prefixes 00:56:45 Also, England could be said to have no parliament. 00:56:46 No output. 00:56:49 `prefixes 00:56:51 No output. 00:56:57 `ls bin/prefixes 00:56:59 No output. 00:57:10 i see 00:57:18 (unlike the other constituent countries of the UK, it does not have a parliament of its very own.) 00:57:34 what does % do in bfjoust? 00:57:36 although most MPs in the UK parliament are elected by English people 00:57:53 variable: there's a description on the wiki, http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust 00:58:08 but basically, (a{b}c)%n = (a)*n b (c)*n 00:58:19 And as an odd legal formality, England has a parliament which just makes laws for the entire UK. 00:58:23 Fucking UK. 00:58:25 the advantage of % is that it lets the brackets match correctly, as you can't have mismatched brackets 00:58:29 `run echo 'echo \'Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?\'' 00:58:30 oerjan: it may assume that these cells are dead unless otherwise specified. what do you mean 00:58:31 No output. 00:58:33 pikhq_: it's more complicated than that due to devolution 00:58:44 the UK government, some of the laws it makes affect the whole country, some affect only England and Wales 00:58:54 ais523: s/makes laws/has the capacity to make laws/ 00:58:54 `run echo 'echo \'Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo \`, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?\'' 00:58:56 No output. 00:58:56 and I think there may be a few thing that are England-only, too 00:59:01 pikhq_: err, right, yes 00:59:04 *few things 00:59:14 `run echo 'Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?' 00:59:16 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? 00:59:40 The UK has such a *fascinatingly* complicated system of government. 00:59:48 pikhq_: indeed 00:59:53 `run echo '\'Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?\'' 00:59:55 No output. 01:00:10 `run echo "Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?" 01:00:12 No output. 01:00:47 !bfjoust (>)*8([-]>)*3[.++-*10]+[[]]<<>([]-) 01:00:47 "Some felt the sentence was long and they had to re-read it (often more 01:00:48 than once) to be sure they had understood what it was asking and that 01:00:48 they were marking the response they wished to. " 01:00:48 Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ 01:00:53 !bfjoust kk_1 (>)*8([-]>)*3[.++-*10]+[[]]<<>([]-) 01:00:56 Score for variable_kk_1: 1.0 01:00:59 o.O 01:01:07 :\ 01:01:12 !bfjoust kk_2 ([-]>)*3[.++-*10]+[[]]<<>([]-) 01:01:16 Score for variable_kk_2: 13.9 01:01:40 * Sgeo decides that he's being "elitist" and shuts up 01:03:20 Someone shouuld have made a website where people play with voting in both systems 01:03:21 `run echo "Bot prefixes: fungot \^, HackEgo \`, EgoBot \!, lambdabot \@ or \?" 01:03:22 Bot prefixes: fungot \^, HackEgo `, EgoBot \!, lambdabot \@ or \? 01:03:34 * pikhq_ hates the term "elitist" 01:03:46 Particularly as used in American politics. 01:03:53 "HE WENT TO COLLEGE! THE ELITIST!" 01:04:04 `run echo "echo 'Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo \`, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?'" 01:04:05 "I WANT ONLY MORONS IN OFFICE!" 01:04:06 echo 'Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?' 01:04:16 `run echo "echo 'Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo \`, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?'" >/bin/prefixes 01:04:18 No output. 01:04:25 `run chmod +x bin/prefixes 01:04:27 No output. 01:04:32 `prefixes 01:04:33 No output. 01:04:43 fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu 01:04:45 Well, questions for referrendums should probably be phrased so the lowest common denominator can understand them 01:04:50 `ls bin/prefixes 01:04:51 No output. 01:05:07 `touch bin/prefixes 01:05:08 No output. 01:05:10 `ls bin/prefixes 01:05:12 bin/prefixes 01:05:12 We should strive to increase the lowest common denominator, then, shouldn't we? 01:05:26 d'oh 01:05:33 `run echo "echo 'Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo \`, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?'" >bin/prefixes 01:05:35 No output. 01:05:38 `run chmod +x bin/prefixes 01:05:40 No output. 01:05:44 `prefixes 01:05:46 No output. 01:05:56 I'm reading this whole report 01:06:01 `cat bin/prefixes 01:06:03 echo 'Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?' 01:06:20 `run prefixes 2&>1 01:06:21 the implication I get from it is that elections taken using AV would be decided essentially at random 01:06:22 No output. 01:06:31 `run prefixes 2>&1 01:06:32 /tmp/hackenv.18692/bin/prefixes: error while loading shared libraries: /tmp/hackenv.18692/bin/prefixes: invalid ELF header 01:06:39 damn 01:06:40 due to the huge number of people misunderstanding the rules causing enough noise to swamp the signal from those who do 01:07:12 ais523: ... Dubious. 01:07:33 At least, it can't be any worse than the damned people who seem to fail at "Pick one of the following:". 01:07:42 (seriously, how the *hell* do you fail at that?) 01:07:46 `run echo '#!/bin/sh' | cat - bin/prefixes >bin/prefixes2 01:07:47 No output. 01:07:52 `cat bin/prefixes2 01:07:54 #!/bin/sh \ echo 'Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?' 01:08:13 `run mv bin/prefixes2 bin/prefixes 01:08:14 No output. 01:08:18 pikhq_: typically, the results we've been seeing so far is around 100 spoilt ballots out of about 20000 votes total 01:08:19 `run chmod +x bin/prefixes 01:08:21 No output. 01:08:26 `prefixes 01:08:27 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? 01:08:31 whew 01:08:51 ais523: Wow, Britons are much much smarter than Americans. 01:09:18 also, only about 30 of those are typically an attempt to vote for multiple candidates 01:09:25 the rest were mostly rejected for being blank 01:09:35 or for being too ambiguous to tell what they meant 01:09:44 ais523: Remember, the 2000 election came down to a debate over how to count poorly filled-out ballots. 01:10:12 Whiiich was decided on the basis of "5 Republicans vs. 4 Democrats in the Supreme Court". 01:10:14 (the way ambiguous ballot resolution works in the UK, is that the counters put ballots that aren't clear-cut into a separate pile, and the candidates agree who they're votes for or if they're spoilt, with some sort of tiebreak if they can't) 01:10:47 (the candidates get to watch the count and can challenge the placement of any ballot if they want, although it seems unlikely anyone checks /all/ of them) 01:11:36 (and if the election's close, the counters go over the piles again looking for miscounted votes, and they keep repeating it until the likely error becomes smaller than the difference in the votes; if there's only 4 votes in it or whatever, the counting can go to four or five rounds as everyone makes sure all the ballots are in the right piles) 01:12:57 Seaside or AIDA/Web? 01:14:54 wow, the BNP came above the Liberal Democrats in one of the seats in Wales 01:15:07 that... makes no sense 01:15:17 (Labour won it, but that was inevitable given the seat in question) 01:16:54 “No, that means that .... let me think this right..... it just means that if everyone in the UK put an X, it means they don’t want the UK .... let me read this again ... that means no, they don’t want the UK to adopt the ....it means no, you don’t want the UK to have it. Does that mean there would be no MPs then?” 01:18:05 now I'm trying to figure out why all the seats that have declared so far were held by Labour beforehand 01:18:11 some sort of big coincidence? 01:18:23 or are Labour voters faster at counting? 01:18:32 -!- sebbu has joined. 01:20:05 -!- fizzie has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:20:26 -!- wareya has joined. 01:21:27 -!- wareya_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 01:21:29 -!- olsner has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 01:21:36 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:22:18 -!- olsner has joined. 01:24:12 `run echo \''test""`!'`' 01:24:14 No output. 01:24:24 `run echo \''test""`!'\' 01:24:25 'test""`!' 01:26:00 -!- fizzie has joined. 01:28:11 I wonder how you apply to be on Electoral Commission focus groups? 01:28:47 in a focused way 01:29:17 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:38:55 coppro: ooh, good news in Somerset, it seems that the vote count is 2:1 in favour of AV there, according to people watching the count 01:39:20 *South Somerset 01:39:39 although the count's being done officially tomorrow, presumably some people couldn't resist starting to count it now 01:40:31 yay! 01:40:59 Birmingham is apparently overwhelmingly against AV, though 01:41:02 even though I voted in favour 01:42:04 also, the animated election logo that the BBC uses is hilarious, because it shows a selection of constituencies as colored bars with who owns then, so it's nearly all red/blue/orange with one green bar because there's one Green Party MP 01:42:10 and it looks really out of place 01:43:26 it isn't easy being green 01:43:41 indeed 01:44:04 I was shocked when it happened, mostly because I had no idea that there was a constitutency where the Greens could actually win 01:44:18 they were clearly targeting that specific constituency very strongly, though 01:44:42 I'm reasonably certain they scoured the whole country to find the constituency where they were most likely to be elected, then focused all their efforts there 01:45:03 heh 01:45:35 it's no coincidence that the Green Party MP who was actually elected also happened to be the leader 01:47:05 well shuffling "important" people into "safe" districts happens in norway too 01:47:30 sometimes with a bit of protesting from the locals 01:49:16 although Venstre (no. Liberal democrats) who crashed in the last election managed to lose their party leader's seat but not a couple of the others 01:49:52 coppro: some bad news: apparently the bookies are offering odds of 1-16 on FPTP winning, although they do get election odds quite wrong sometimes 01:50:07 oerjan: the Greens didn't have any seats in the UK 01:50:11 so it was a different sort of shuffling 01:50:24 trying to shuffle someone into the seats most dangerous to the other parties, rather than safest for themselves 01:50:49 last time Labour tried to shuffle someone into a really safe seat, the person who was there beforehand stood anyway as an independent and won, which is hilarious 01:50:49 heh 01:51:03 it seems that they liked the candidate in particular, rather than the party 01:54:02 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 01:55:24 endangering larger parties doesn't work for tiny parties in norway, the 4% cutoff for "evening out" means the larger parties get their seats anyhow while the tiny ones _must_ win a county seat 01:56:25 well, the UK is FPTP at the moment, so the practical cutoff is 25% for a party other than the main 3, and only if the main 3 are tied 01:56:31 but it only has to manage it in one seat, not in the country as a whole 01:57:13 right 02:08:50 wow are the SNP dominating 02:09:00 in Scotland, that is 02:09:09 I have a feeling that they wouldn't do awfully in England either, but they generally don't run there 02:09:12 save nessie partie 02:09:14 *y 02:58:02 ais523: Our Green leader was elected in her own riding which was also the riding most likely to elect any green given the communities' (well-deserved, mind you) reputation for being 'hippy' 03:00:41 -!- pikhq has joined. 03:02:22 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 03:21:49 -!- augur has joined. 03:21:52 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:24:19 -!- TeruFSX2 has joined. 03:24:52 -!- augur has joined. 03:24:54 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:26:32 -!- augur has joined. 03:29:58 "I'm a canvas fro building HTML." 03:30:44 -!- MDude has changed nick to MSleep. 03:34:49 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 03:37:05 * pikhq_ finally gets around to watching FLCL 03:37:18 And I find myself singing along to the soundtrack. 03:37:31 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 03:41:10 ♥ the pillows. 03:50:47 -!- wth has joined. 03:53:22 -!- wth has left. 05:12:06 lol 05:12:14 let me know if you figure out what exactly is going on 05:18:34 Probably take me a while. 05:22:47 -!- TeruFSX2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:27:21 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 06:38:07 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 06:38:09 -!- pikhq has joined. 06:54:52 -!- kwertii has quit (Quit: Tschau). 06:55:53 -!- jcp has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 06:59:33 -!- pikhq has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:59:49 -!- pikhq has joined. 07:01:36 -!- jcp has joined. 07:07:44 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:08:39 -!- augur has joined. 07:52:40 -!- ObviosoXI has joined. 07:52:53 any activity in here? 07:54:16 nope 07:54:42 no such thing 07:56:13 I've been hoping to catch some good discussion in this channel. In the three times I've tried, nothing has been happening 07:56:59 well this is about the worst time of day 07:58:21 I figured 07:59:22 so why yall in here then if nothing is going on. Ir is it just that common to be in a channel when its dead 07:59:35 or* 07:59:50 IRC is often dead, people normally idle until a conversation starts up 08:00:07 trying to start one yourself is the surest way to get a conversation going, but you have to be quite good at conversing to get it to continue 08:00:13 could you reccoment any interesting channels? 08:01:31 ObviosoXI: conversation here seems to take place at night (at my local time) 08:02:03 well, it's 9am for me at the moment, I've been up all night 08:02:20 its 1:01AM here 08:03:29 so 08:04:39 I've been thinking recently about all the different models of civilizations history that I have heard before 08:06:20 of course different people perscribe to different naratives of history 08:07:08 and in my experience, people tend to hold onto the models of history they were primarily taught or raised believing 08:09:05 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Good night). 08:09:51 but aside from explaining how people have and deal with these models 08:10:23 what kind of models or history and/or reality do you all subscribe to? 08:10:27 -!- siracusa has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 08:10:41 kind of* 08:11:57 just wanted to throw that question out there incase any one cared to share 08:11:58 -!- siracusa has joined. 08:14:26 what version of our human history are you fascinated by? 08:14:41 this is a better way to put it 08:20:21 g-night 08:20:24 -!- ObviosoXI has left. 08:22:54 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 08:51:12 -!- pizearke has joined. 09:04:12 cheater: how do i shot web? well, first you need to get a bite from a radioactive tim berners-lee 09:21:50 haha 10:00:41 -!- zzo38 has joined.