> 1304798142 277973 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304798142 355782 :glogbot!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1304798151 386026 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SET A TO (insert ascii code for / here) < 1304798154 986426 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you say SET [ascii code of A] TO [ascii code of A] < 1304798157 537506 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PUT ZA < 1304798163 332313 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be read as < 1304798166 27071 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PUT Z/" < 1304798183 242737 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: yes, and that has no effect < 1304798191 779765 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, what if A is already rebound? < 1304798199 383015 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would allow you to reset A to A, correct? < 1304798200 33235 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1304798203 108763 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1304798209 731499 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If A has been bound to, say, Z < 1304798217 427745 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SET A TO A" is read as "SET Z TO Z" < 1304798235 524842 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please see the code block at the end of here: http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Deviating_Percolator#Fundamentals < 1304798254 273774 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :SET SIXTYFIVE TO SIXTYFIVE < 1304798256 299502 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that work? < 1304798261 718283 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(65=ascii code of A) < 1304798264 607056 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes < 1304798272 165233 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would < 1304798390 284825 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And newlines are only split once? < 1304798435 376217 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the maximum value a variable can store? < 1304798436 369208 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :255? < 1304798467 985572 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, 8-bit < 1304798471 793123 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it works on ASCII < 1304798497 539131 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWOHUNDREDTHIRTYONE < syntax looks like that? < 1304798512 531092 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWOHUNDREDANDTHIRTYONE < 1304798518 271462 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not American :P < 1304798534 330166 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304798538 576738 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::V < 1304798560 815067 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1304798570 547151 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes writing eval hard < 1304798575 971836 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :26 chars is not a lot < 1304798581 966333 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't use all of them... < 1304798591 7459 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you only want to use it once < 1304798732 113190 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guh. < 1304798740 791603 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your NOP makes me want to cry. < 1304798746 689054 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia < 1304798752 103689 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need a NOP < 1304798756 743182 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's something much easier < 1304798762 213839 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "/" < 1304798777 73663 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out how to compile the language. < 1304798777 398616 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :=p < 1304798785 504907 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Give up already < 1304798787 403609 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1304798788 533668 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, no. < 1304798799 978810 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1304798809 344004 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I said about only splitting lines once < 1304798816 403494 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just my flawed interpreter < 1304798834 691980 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the reference. < 1304798835 708846 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you did things "right", you wouldn't split at the start < 1304798840 373537 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh I guess < 1304798887 598586 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf. < 1304798897 15902 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be a bigger challenge to compile it than to write it. < 1304798901 319882 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I like challenges. < 1304798907 899047 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1304798911 123747 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1304798921 160217 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I challenge you to implement a C compiler in DevPerc < 1304798926 650749 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even better < 1304798933 594633 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A devperc interpreter in devperc < 1304798936 134956 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or EVEN BETTER < 1304798942 390397 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a compiler for devperc in devperc < 1304798943 639179 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304799065 213326 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf. < 1304799078 76608 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could compile to x86, if you write evil self-modifying code I bet. < 1304799088 790720 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304799096 708815 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, go ahead. compile it. < 1304799262 915433 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay. now I've got regexes that can parse it. < 1304799280 339032 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet needing little bit of things.. < 1304799281 989065 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheery: parse what? < 1304799288 584414 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :command language < 1304799292 401202 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, simplest solution would be the following: < 1304799306 340935 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inb4 "calculate how it would change, in advance" < 1304799308 169700 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. have a writable code segment, with each command taking up a constant space, padded with NOPS < 1304799309 575731 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1304799312 534436 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. store the source code < 1304799327 342418 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>store the source code < 1304799328 826133 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. calculate which variables affect which lines < 1304799331 947757 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>store the source code < 1304799333 984862 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>store the source code < 1304799354 950820 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :4. when a variable is changed, recompile all affected lines < 1304799360 245719 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"New York officials disagreed, and in January 2007 issued regulations that would prohibit shocking New York students for minor infractions. But a group of New York parents filed a federal lawsuit to stop the state from enforcing these regulations." < 1304799368 44024 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Lymia < 1304799371 506551 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not compiled < 1304799372 7773 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK humanity seriously what is wrong with us. < 1304799387 46448 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a JIT < 1304799399 960429 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, failing that, you could do what you suggested. < 1304799411 174776 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Give up "? < 1304799424 443541 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :"calculate how it would change, in advance" < 1304799442 11047 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304799443 162928 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: If teachers can't shock our kids, WHO WILL? < 1304799444 584834 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1304799460 950284 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's impossible if I use the GET command < 1304799467 25898 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you do not know what the input will be < 1304799485 737539 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you know what variables GET could be used on. < 1304799656 651987 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but why does that matter? < 1304799676 972181 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the input could change how the code executes. < 1304799696 420761 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You CAN'T compile this: < 1304799705 658832 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, how exactly does PERCOLATE WHILE X/CIRCULATE work? < 1304799720 483688 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1304799727 889183 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the while statement in a program? < 1304799733 764640 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, in any other language < 1304799737 738257 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, wait. < 1304799747 823355 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those have to be matched, right? < 1304799753 331919 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct. < 1304799781 57663 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if they become mismatched by the variables in question being changed. < 1304799786 520224 :Plazma!~Plazma@freenode/staff/plazma JOIN :#esoteric < 1304799792 260093 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the commands look for their counterparts? < 1304799794 802582 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do* < 1304799827 281488 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit what happened to elliott. < 1304799833 243688 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god Freenode staff. < 1304799837 910423 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYONE HIDE THE DRUGS < 1304799850 127480 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: hmm < 1304799881 833521 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a great idea < 1304799898 34712 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I can't think of whether to look for counterparts or remember line number < 1304799911 755138 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will remove that statement. < 1304799927 509934 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also makes the language even smaller :D < 1304800066 712624 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1304800106 42970 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you encounter a variable that's not A-Z, space, or / in a statement, it's a syntax error, right? < 1304800121 12232 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's correct < 1304800130 815698 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or \n, in a good interpreter < 1304800142 152667 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1304800147 339209 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and also < 1304800151 731680 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the PUT statement < 1304800155 481433 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll see if I can figure out how to compile the language once you release a reference. < 1304800166 680460 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and DEFINE statement < 1304800167 945273 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is probably completely and utterly crazy: autoconf + tup, away! < 1304800171 346202 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and GET statement < 1304800184 211236 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually any expression where you use a variable name < 1304800211 883184 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes the value of that variable, then finds the variable named with that value < 1304800225 139069 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1304800229 278599 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I figure you guessed that already < 1304800233 452478 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEFINE A PLUS ONE TO A? < 1304800252 552820 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that work? < 1304800275 702979 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, um. < 1304800277 275482 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So.... < 1304800278 148680 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304800282 237957 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does. < 1304800282 412208 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304800284 531717 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if you write PUT $ < 1304800291 904455 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304800297 109921 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error. < 1304800301 301671 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: You're banned from my bots. < 1304800304 407370 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For, like, all eternity. < 1304800305 150517 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ever. < 1304800308 269256 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, k. < 1304800308 526098 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you said PUT A < 1304800319 567449 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can bind A to, say, $, correct? < 1304800320 285146 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1304800320 692841 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and A was defined as the ascii code for $, it would output $ < 1304800334 61254 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: so you would need to do something like this: < 1304800341 458442 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, so. < 1304800343 232338 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that work. < 1304800350 245985 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :When the line is first read, A would be replaced with '$' < 1304800361 464877 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making the statement "PUT $" which would be a syntax error. < 1304800362 134988 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct. < 1304800362 765028 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1304800366 910696 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would need to do this: < 1304800371 838121 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEFINE B TO A < 1304800379 737458 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEFINE A TO (ascii code for $ here) < 1304800381 300261 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PUT B < 1304800389 812610 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1304800392 668320 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replacements arn't recursive? < 1304800398 454954 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh? < 1304800413 315846 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's helpful. < 1304800433 322286 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, I thought the code block at the end of Fundamentals would have already made that clear < 1304800460 381697 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, unmarked line numbers, and a line number based jump? < 1304800460 722034 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hate. < 1304800472 149129 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1304800480 874151 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :umarked line numbers. < 1304800484 594971 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I hate you all. < 1304800494 667976 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also makes compiling hard < 1304800499 608356 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you inserted a newline < 1304800500 207862 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :A line number based jump when, according to you, a good interpreter is supposed to allow setting to new line to work/ < 1304800505 75397 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trollface.jpg < 1304800511 808562 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: yep. < 1304800530 491203 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's do what the reference does~ < 1304800531 30113 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :=3 < 1304800535 220049 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A good interpreter, by the way, shouldn't split the lines when it starts < 1304800539 186038 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine does, but that will change < 1304800547 25677 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I'm warning you < 1304800562 412775 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *will* read char by char until encountering a newline < 1304800572 415097 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trollface.jpg < 1304800583 284066 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how are you planning on implementing GOTO. < 1304800595 747997 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :counting newlines < 1304800746 453933 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee! my parser runs. :) < 1304800834 277798 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.pocoo.org/show/384801 < 1304800842 269264 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now that I stopped being distracted by you, Lymia, I am actually working on expression parsing < 1304800846 71824 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not commands, expressions < 1304800857 804827 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. "TWO TIMES FOUR" < 1304801076 756217 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :little bug there. fixed. < 1304801088 773196 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I can go rampage. < 1304801258 722714 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of wonder why there aren't assembly languages that do something similar. < 1304801279 10743 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo < 1304801285 888347 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :expression parsing works < 1304801288 86244 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean.. sort of concise syntax that behaves like madbollocks. < 1304801509 447367 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, well. < 1304801522 702275 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have kind of an idea how to do it, but no idea how to do it efficiently. < 1304801549 789961 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1304801557 224740 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, so, there are only so many permutations of word lengths that are valid, right? < 1304801579 286812 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for each of those permutations, there are only a few commands that fit. < 1304801598 295152 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, take a string, and find all valid ways to split the string into these valid permutations. < 1304801612 149076 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compile each of these, and generate a block of code that selects the correct one, or errors. < 1304801643 190554 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. It is surprisingly *easy* to make tup and autoconf cooperate. < 1304801668 603411 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only remaining challenge is PROCEED TO. < 1304801755 447916 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304801770 880312 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the start, strip out all existing comments. < 1304801783 568286 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: As much as you are sure you can compile this < 1304801786 865809 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sincerley doubt it < 1304801789 302704 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And split according to new liens, as new lines cannot be destroyed. < 1304801791 86517 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But good luck. < 1304801799 490995 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lines* < 1304801918 659346 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, there's nothing stopping you, if you're willing to accept huge executable and long compile time. < 1304801953 7717 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, uh, wait. < 1304801966 11682 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :A program can only be 256 lines total then? < 1304801969 76617 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304801973 905928 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh < 1304801980 374552 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um < 1304801987 80938 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, now that you mention it < 1304802007 305294 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it that GOTO only reaches through 256 lines? < 1304802016 350602 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1304802023 592981 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it would only go to line 255 < 1304802029 392550 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(counting from 0) < 1304802039 46620 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although < 1304802050 165176 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's futile writing a program that long in this stupid language < 1304802080 762265 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, it'd be a good challenge to see if I can get something compiling. < 1304802091 642852 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304802098 268142 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://motherjones.com/politics/2007/08/school-shock?page=6 < 1304802109 739028 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any reason to have that NOP? < 1304802121 959010 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :none, really < 1304802127 419603 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK this is seriously like something out of a dystopian novel. < 1304802139 521568 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's remove it < 1304802166 824293 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :PUT A TO STDIO isn't part of Commands. < 1304802168 752595 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :removed < 1304802171 531952 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh < 1304802172 318970 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, the TO X part. < 1304802178 583095 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1304802182 130061 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I changed it recently < 1304802196 912925 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :realising, as it's for UNIX, I don't need TO FILE < 1304802227 276533 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed. < 1304802252 285840 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should use # instead of / < 1304802253 110453 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh. < 1304802383 491957 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :All (valid) commands are enumerable, right? < 1304802413 45575 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, quick question. < 1304802418 217279 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is A PLUS RANDOM valid? < 1304802434 249835 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1304802437 478649 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1304802446 764891 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1304802465 553168 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you "can't" nest expressions, you can actually nest RANDOM < 1304802476 341396 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the stupid way I am implementing this < 1304802482 682079 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1304802486 151617 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random is in essence a value. < 1304802493 917196 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's an expression < 1304802518 362135 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You "can't" nest expressions because I limited max length to 3 < 1304802527 832285 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes parsing easier < 1304802587 147395 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to implement order of operations, basically < 1304802638 282360 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does something stupid < 1304802671 678699 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup sgeo < 1304802679 5155 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1304802691 740222 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you doing that is so stupid, Sgeo? < 1304802695 741613 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks Sgeo is stupid because he did something stupid < 1304802721 103691 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks Sgeo is smart < 1304802724 351525 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater53, texting someone who.. likes me, I think, but I'm not so sure that I like her < 1304802726 323301 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wee.. again lost my cockfile but fixed it this time. < 1304802742 88897 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, why would you not like her? < 1304802787 456333 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides her .. not being so bright, perhaps, at least when it comes to programming... I think she smokes. She kissed me (near, but not on the lips) and then I smelled smoke < 1304802799 662412 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, there were a lot of people around, maybe one of them was smoking before < 1304802837 387686 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304802843 346720 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1304802851 902196 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :smoking is a good reason to be put off < 1304802853 255192 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, so. < 1304802864 670107 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you know what they say < 1304802865 576035 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :In essence, there are 26+256+1 possible values, right? < 1304802867 510886 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if she smokes, she pokes < 1304802880 427864 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if she doesn't poke, she doesn't smoke? < 1304802885 215664 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just ask her if she's a smoker < 1304802890 673002 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: eh? < 1304802891 17027 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then tell her you are not < 1304802896 81557 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 256 < 1304802900 106014 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean. < 1304802900 610223 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :she'll keep brushing her teeth and you'll be comfortable. < 1304802902 865001 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible expressions. < 1304802911 644431 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh < 1304802916 52965 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out how "she pokes" can be a euphemism for anything other than her being male < 1304802918 48004 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The variables, RANDOM, and constants. < 1304802918 754904 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or she won't, and you'll have more of a reason to believe she doesn't care about you. < 1304802932 690598 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: and expressions... < 1304802939 769060 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :X EQUALS Y < 1304802943 427800 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1304802943 504586 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, "pokes herself with male organs" < 1304802948 169261 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1304802964 844128 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay.. maybe that never gets old < 1304802969 711443 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1304802979 697907 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fine with my cockfiles ^^ < 1304802984 168434 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, just confront her with it if it bothers you so much :p < 1304803020 769412 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1304803023 722982 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :560906 possible expressions? < 1304803040 428997 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = 26+256+1 < 1304803046 854395 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :a+(a*a)*7 < 1304803105 780604 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :can a language with a finite number of expressions be TC? < 1304803121 397630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater53: sure < 1304803134 310542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :asm has only a finite number of expressions, and it's TC if you use bignums < 1304803149 56208 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but asm can address any address < 1304803166 648737 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about BF? < 1304803170 405435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you just limit it to a finite set of registers, it's still TC with bignums with program counter and two general-purpose < 1304803179 165106 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes it an infinite number of expressions in fact < 1304803183 84445 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1304803184 195356 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1304803190 518791 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: why do you care about the number possible? < 1304803196 544262 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, just curious. < 1304803204 339716 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, i dunno if you can say bf has a finite number of expressions? < 1304803212 228022 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, then. < 1304803213 772263 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of possible expressions. < 1304803215 496732 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A LOT. < 1304803222 849309 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 two expression commands, 2 one expression commands. < 1304803225 869007 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, can a language with a finite number of programs be TC? < 1304803233 662281 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: no < 1304803241 48814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater53: IMO yes, although that's a definitional problem < 1304803244 946551 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1304803245 666332 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304803248 150224 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1304803249 851048 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is surprised at how autoconf + tup is actually *not* horrific < 1304803253 162917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that if the only avilable program was a BF interp, for instance, I'd call a language TC < 1304803269 62421 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, you just have autoconf generate the tup.config and... That's it. < 1304803270 935419 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's what i was thinking < 1304803273 474195 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dang it < 1304803280 238593 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't I find that thing before ais523 does? < 1304803283 285387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if the only program output a list of all halting BF programs and their outputs, in order of the number of cycles they take to halt plus their length < 1304803293 818282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is possible computably) < 1304803301 231859 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the question is if we include the programs run in that interpreter as sub-programs of the main program < 1304803302 344901 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION surrenders < 1304803308 67309 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1304803313 139924 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :629232203484 possible commands, if I didn't mess up. < 1304803314 268071 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, i thought of that too "program that lists all programs" < 1304803324 278940 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: stop it < 1304803325 621113 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please < 1304803328 952089 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then the question is if it just lists them < 1304803334 610237 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, why? < 1304803340 623745 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't interpret them.. < 1304803344 639428 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it TC? < 1304803353 607866 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how could that be possible... oh, threading? And given infinite time, would also output nonhalters? < 1304803358 511248 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is stupid < 1304803371 338135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it wouldn't output nonhalters after any finite amount of time < 1304803375 911866 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, to output all halting programs you'd need infinite time. < 1304803379 656567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and talking about "infinite time" doesn't really make sense < 1304803382 452249 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1304803385 531204 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see < 1304803387 962906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doesn't need threading, you can just alternate cycles < 1304803400 430213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to simulate something that works a bit like threading < 1304803419 114361 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, just consider the programs "print $k" for k \in N < 1304803423 15230 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible expressions: (256*256)*7+1 < 1304803433 846230 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need an infinite amount of time to output all of them < 1304803490 883665 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible commands: 2*(256^2*7+1)^2+2*(256^2*7+1) < 1304803496 184635 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In DevPerc < 1304803561 912865 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's 420909547524 possible commands < 1304803571 906042 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no I didn't factor in all possible expresions < 1304803573 247015 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh < 1304803603 270487 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible expressions would actually be: (256*256)*7+1+256 < 1304803629 600386 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so possible expressions is E, which is 459009 < 1304803649 743829 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible commands is C, which is 2E^2+2E < 1304803683 825936 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is 421379442180 possible commands < 1304803685 191906 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. < 1304803693 242305 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: do I win < 1304803726 27647 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's find out. < 1304803748 162841 :d42nk!~Dadang@61.94.131.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304803776 573691 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304803891 669398 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, ah, you'd likely need to use an interpreter for commands that look like "QWERTYUIOPASDFGHJKLZXCVBNM" < 1304803912 544598 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1304803923 734605 :d42nk!~Dadang@61.94.131.16 PART :#esoteric < 1304803984 912753 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that's two new names < 1304803995 932977 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are these people coming from :D < 1304804001 393523 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me? < 1304804003 758285 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :New? < 1304804013 185609 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me? < 1304804021 342809 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ajf and d42nk :) < 1304804058 619082 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and kuraj < 1304804174 184596 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. that later was just some weirdo < 1304804313 966240 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an influx :P < 1304804451 500107 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Y'know, a freaking shell script is better than make for most intents and purposes. < 1304804474 160494 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: so uh < 1304804480 512745 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my reference interpreter < 1304804486 299351 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now never splits line < 1304804488 278238 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1304804491 45857 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1304804493 798819 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can insert \ns < 1304804498 910254 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1304804500 93424 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words < 1304804507 120625 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made compilation even harder :D < 1304804512 998207 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: lies < 1304804520 812562 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make makes dependencies easier < 1304804533 68556 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and makefiles are really easy to make < 1304804543 226849 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make as used by most people fucks up dependencies. < 1304804563 642071 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hn? < 1304804569 61711 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?* < 1304804594 867712 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: How many people explicitly list the headers each file depends upon? < 1304804598 825057 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, mmm.... < 1304804617 472059 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering that you could just put every letter in a row, and force the compiler to compile for every single possible command. < 1304804622 214528 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1304804623 755302 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually... < 1304804670 875625 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, mmm... < 1304804684 440248 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I do. < 1304804689 604914 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I use a makefile... < 1304804689 681953 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll make a program to compile what it can, and use an interpreter for the rest. < 1304804697 974363 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can build zlib before my server < 1304804752 515905 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: cheating :P < 1304804757 380540 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer actually intelligent build systems, personally. < 1304804766 689849 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later, figure out what do about evil evil statements like "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ" < 1304804775 456011 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: I removed that... < 1304804782 807479 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, it still works if you insert /s < 1304804794 912599 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in a different way. < 1304804795 920570 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1304804798 250324 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If A is / < 1304804895 5455 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could rewrite that into something like "DEFINE A TO B/OPQRSTUVWXYZ" right? < 1304804920 49503 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup. < 1304805048 216090 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, you can certainly compile it-- and you can argue that the result isn't compiled at all anyways. < 1304805088 410751 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1304805092 876254 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1304805102 929818 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could write a JIT for this... sortof < 1304805117 757876 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you CAN write a JIT for this. definitely < 1304805164 192527 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :No matter what, for some statements, the end result will have to be aware of the syntax to some degree. < 1304805347 239508 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously. < 1304805383 513103 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :When will you release the reference? < 1304805395 923093 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I finish it :P < 1304805413 621522 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you trying to be beat to the punch or something? < 1304805450 276592 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1304805460 597920 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah < 1304805462 701467 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language isn't that complex. < 1304805467 546339 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. < 1304805472 997769 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I find shell scripts work too, I don't use make for my own projects. < 1304805484 79309 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I only started two hours ago < 1304805491 99686 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :=p < 1304805512 726721 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and defined the language over half a year ago < 1304805517 712220 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf. < 1304805520 992936 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's what I'm thinking. < 1304805526 808565 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take the statement DEFINE A AS B < 1304805529 248255 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO* < 1304805543 762548 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What could you actually manage to redefine that to, which is still valid syntax? < 1304805553 999902 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this. < 1304805575 202828 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET A/ < 1304805575 392051 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :PUT X/ or GET X/ right? < 1304805582 203285 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, how are trailing slashes handled? < 1304805585 646810 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1304805586 936759 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trailing? < 1304805588 655532 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trailing spaces. < 1304805594 836017 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignored? < 1304805595 225112 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not ignored. < 1304805599 730712 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invalid? < 1304805601 841469 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET A / is invalid < 1304805604 896087 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET A/ is valid < 1304805606 56441 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean. < 1304805606 271509 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to work ligatures with FreeType? < 1304805613 328169 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET A with a space after it, then a new line. < 1304805614 709021 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's invalid? < 1304805621 519342 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :having porperly working editor is a bless. < 1304805622 41775 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct. < 1304805654 386660 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike some people, I take whitespace seriously < 1304805655 465573 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1304805669 320536 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, compilation is only really annoying for statements where there are huge blobs of letters. < 1304805685 397207 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. constant statements and such < 1304805698 133652 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look, Lymia < 1304805704 587511 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this language cannot be truly compiled < 1304805715 630293 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, define "compiled" and I'll respond. < 1304805734 705188 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiled directly to machine code, without needing the source code to run < 1304805739 241579 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1304805756 253494 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still executing in every single possible scenario the interpreted version would < 1304805768 549316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304805774 986445 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot see anything in FreeType documentatino about retrieving ligature information. < 1304805901 870379 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ? < 1304805906 335897 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is #esoteric < 1304805913 448968 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this matter for your language? < 1304805932 492811 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, well. < 1304805935 83511 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see about that. < 1304805935 949514 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :=) < 1304805954 533990 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long until you get the reference done? < 1304805969 506724 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very. < 1304805974 814389 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop distracting me :V < 1304805988 402941 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all expressions are done, only one command so far < 1304806145 495773 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just sad I couldn't do proper nodeexprs to handle stuff with even something more than just chains. < 1304806161 964433 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. something to do some next time :) < 1304806192 408822 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: No but I cannot find a channel for FreeType, I will try a different one maybe < 1304806212 980000 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1304806323 173819 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1304806329 260213 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would suggest some other channel < 1304806372 384213 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one? < 1304806386 197551 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just < 1304806395 315509 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, one related to fonts < 1304806422 370600 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to know which one that would be? < 1304806426 350362 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1304806442 70639 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is ##fonts correct one? < 1304806453 944200 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would try. < 1304806476 649489 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1304806637 188018 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Games are now officially recognized by the U.S. Government as art. About damn time. (escapistmagazine.com) < 1304806637 386848 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"about damn time"?... < 1304806664 508743 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course games have huge artistic potential, but even I don't think calling them "art" is a certain thing. < 1304806665 449775 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1304806670 684342 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The games and arts debate. < 1304806670 761180 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it depends on DEFINISHONS < 1304806673 974963 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1304806676 115898 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the worst of debates. < 1304806684 712069 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"DEFINISHONS" < 1304806686 506959 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1304806689 738722 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can say this. < 1304806694 336091 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I wanted to engrishize it < 1304806696 577313 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: You may define that word how you like. < 1304806699 71903 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some games are definitely art. < 1304806702 762748 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saying all games are that is... < 1304806704 982382 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say DEFINISHONSU < 1304806728 664359 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :...risky... < 1304806732 570169 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1304806736 13028 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I would argue < 1304806741 647542 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all paintings are art < 1304806752 392568 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I draw a picture, is it art? < 1304806774 229683 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if it's a nicep icture < 1304806776 572656 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd say DEHINISHON'SU < 1304806790 875786 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater53: Nah < 1304806801 237876 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FI is valid, Fu+small I < 1304806817 744361 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea but not popular < 1304806827 126563 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it wouldn't become a popular term < 1304806836 680258 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEFINISHONSU < 1304806839 350003 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah not really < 1304806848 277358 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phonetic extensions are everywhere < 1304806857 214667 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese now? < 1304806862 811277 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1304806881 38322 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example: < 1304806886 68796 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verudasu Orijinaru < 1304806892 287 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note the "Ve". < 1304806897 423032 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't the Japanese pronounce that as "be" anyways. < 1304806902 698647 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd write it as "tèhuīnisiȳonnsu", personally. < 1304806902 873449 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally < 1304806913 265537 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: I find it depends on the age of the speaker, actually. < 1304806922 777844 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is true. < 1304806943 674290 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's some wierd rômaji - did you learn from an older guide? < 1304806951 300730 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: Nah, made it up for kicks. < 1304806952 998472 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am used to hepburn personally < 1304806956 646208 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how your average English Japanese learner pronounces that. < 1304806957 151143 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1304806961 323976 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: Just a very, very literal encoding of kana. < 1304806968 636221 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess. < 1304806973 316874 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer using actual kana < 1304806986 897862 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, [ < 1304806988 2905 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GAH < 1304806989 523911 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IME WORK WITH ME < 1304806998 526237 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: inputking.com < 1304806999 258345 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was I doing last time with my lisptoy?.. oh lambda arguments. < 1304807000 448101 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :online IME < 1304807001 492990 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1304807011 469174 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is currently learning Japanese. Kanji are "fun" < 1304807023 167284 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, 「デフィニションス」 looks nicer to those who know kana. < 1304807059 294898 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ヴェルタス・オリジナル" < 1304807063 580750 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to learn how to read katakana sometime. < 1304807064 457378 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::x < 1304807066 682277 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verutasu orijinaru < 1304807074 300625 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've neglected to do that for a while now. < 1304807082 751800 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: It's really not that hard. < 1304807082 928108 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Is not that hard, really. < 1304807091 243225 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1304807097 167914 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do it in under a week < 1304807099 568686 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, then, I don't find kanji that hard either, so take that with a grain of salt. < 1304807110 539241 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least you get a good amount of practice with squiggle-kana < 1304807132 304654 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With "ヴェルタス・オリジナル" - Guess what foreign brand that is < 1304807133 738385 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess. < 1304807136 674355 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Googling. < 1304807147 263291 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nintendo love hotels < 1304807149 575886 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vertas Original?!? I got nothing. < 1304807153 39956 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1304807159 914267 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Werthers Originals < 1304807163 420954 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1304807164 103945 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1304807166 251753 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :w->v? < 1304807170 118205 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is german though, so W->V < 1304807172 226168 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How very German of them. < 1304807173 176069 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1304807173 252914 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes pronounced b? < 1304807179 692367 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Berters original. < 1304807200 18365 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEETAASU ORIJINARUU < 1304807201 545791 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Probably the only hard bit about katakana is the Engrishization of words. < 1304807213 971059 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is true. < 1304807217 926461 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1304807219 132516 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I just need to find motivation < 1304807220 508661 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all. < 1304807221 264282 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I too prefer actual kana (or kanji with furigana) but in ASCII, you cannot use kana (although you cannot use accent marks either in ASCII) < 1304807244 340290 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that < 1304807246 837363 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :リーミャはばか! < 1304807248 621130 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :「ウィルス」 (uīrusu) [wirusu] for "virus" is mother-fucking confusing. Still. < 1304807255 105434 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Biruswu. < 1304807266 895766 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: こんなに馬鹿じゃないと思う。 < 1304807282 675474 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf. < 1304807289 257522 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not funny. < 1304807289 575667 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1304807297 219136 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1304807308 661130 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You lied, you said you can't read katakana < 1304807312 550688 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! < 1304807314 159765 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, I can read a few. < 1304807318 344302 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::V < 1304807319 141345 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough watched Madoka cough* < 1304807324 626040 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough mami cough* < 1304807327 646504 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1304807333 657189 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel left out < 1304807338 223743 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read katakana and also hiragana < 1304807340 87496 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough ri looks almost the same in both cough* < 1304807343 980302 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: same < 1304807351 711329 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some kanji < 1304807352 673301 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: "wu" is not a valid mora. < 1304807353 335165 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1304807362 126117 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can write almost all of both syllabaries < 1304807372 524709 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only bit I have trouble with is the ma line < 1304807381 863738 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...because I never practised it :P < 1304807383 227721 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You're a mora. < 1304807393 911761 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no < 1304807398 522371 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1304807401 455243 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: How would one encode it? < 1304807404 149958 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just antiquated and unused < 1304807406 30902 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1304807418 362776 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :waitasec < 1304807420 822568 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ゐ and ゑ certainly exist, but not somewthing for "wu". < 1304807437 208307 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304807444 430664 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is only an image on wikipedia < 1304807451 94249 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even in unicode < 1304807463 848797 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what are those? my hiragana and akatakana are rusty < 1304807465 804066 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :katakana < 1304807474 795380 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater53: old kana < 1304807476 197100 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unused. < 1304807479 205748 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater53: "wi" and "we", in hiragana. < 1304807488 241160 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1304807491 320335 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1304807493 333616 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said, unused. < 1304807495 47682 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did they come to disuse? < 1304807498 316539 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will almost never find them < 1304807511 207144 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, pikhq answer his question < 1304807512 624213 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Tory what is this nonsense < 1304807513 824250 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater53: The mora they encode fell out of use. < 1304807517 968936 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/mora/morae/ < 1304807523 412411 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this that spambot thing < 1304807523 489184 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a mora? < 1304807536 57353 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater53: "syllable" in japanese < 1304807546 727242 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did that fall out of use? < 1304807547 791538 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really a syllable < 1304807553 314039 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater53: A mora is a component of a syllable; Japanese is in terms of morae rather than syllables. < 1304807559 939394 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: Mora is Latin, actually. < 1304807567 414748 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaahhh these spambots are ridiculous < 1304807569 304673 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304807578 727942 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: not what I meant. < 1304807588 557120 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what a Japanese "syllable" is < 1304807601 356036 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater53: Pronounciation shift; "wi" and "we" came to be pronounced "i" and "e". < 1304807617 90575 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1304807622 573063 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because. < 1304807628 49383 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also e used to be ye < 1304807633 123956 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence "yen" in english < 1304807639 119573 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because languages change pronounciation over time. < 1304807645 756106 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, english did too < 1304807651 853487 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a chart somewhere < 1304807652 476508 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but why did that happen in this way specifically? < 1304807664 747376 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, ooo, show me < 1304807666 661390 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pasted #384865 to http://paste.pocoo.org/show/384865 < 1304807672 532874 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Vowel_Shift < 1304807674 394664 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wo" also came to be pronounced "o"; that kana now only exists for the gramatical particle. < 1304807677 39693 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See that. < 1304807681 260861 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :English vowel changes. < 1304807687 713303 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I say HUBRIS at this point? < 1304807688 597622 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For hysterical reasons, the grammatical particles use archaic spellings. < 1304807699 345829 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I implemented lambdas into my toy lisp example :) < 1304807707 604267 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater53: Languages change; it's just a basic elementary fact of linguistics. < 1304807718 907060 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp - that's esoteric? < 1304807719 761082 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1304807757 722700 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, i know that, i was asking why it changed in that specific way < 1304807768 926124 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not some other way. < 1304807769 996021 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater53: "Because". < 1304807814 532425 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it's confusing. < 1304807821 287864 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bunch of particles are pronounced differently. < 1304807821 762871 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1304807854 835842 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304807857 578301 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha -> wa < 1304807860 974071 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wo -> o < 1304807865 855838 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any others? < 1304807876 347876 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he -> e < 1304807882 725378 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1304807931 695381 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Ky%C5%AB-Kanazukai Basically, the particles are remnants of this. < 1304808021 621503 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304808024 369983 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. < 1304808034 890188 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that old style is really confusing < 1304808035 784944 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1304808048 134405 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was phonetic when it came into adoption. < 1304808069 747744 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pronunciation changed, spelling didn't. < 1304808100 315365 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh < 1304808109 234535 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they changed the spelling to reflect pronunciation? < 1304808114 134330 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1304808119 474562 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense. < 1304808129 940052 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And kept the particles the same for reasons I'm not sure of. < 1304808152 279177 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I guess because having some things separate makes reading easier < 1304808165 133019 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wo and ha, particularly < 1304808436 8598 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to work on reference implementation some more :/ < 1304808632 989362 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, hey, you got to my Reddit frontpage. < 1304808649 640980 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat. < 1304808657 556170 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it the TIL? < 1304808699 67855 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1304808730 574422 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is damn esoteric language.. lol. < 1304808731 522343 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continuing of the theme of "TIL something PH has known for ages" which always throws me. < 1304808753 334460 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if I wrote that 'cond' pretty easily, it takes shitloads of time to type in factorial :) < 1304808771 385943 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably.. I'll need node input mode < 1304808797 39034 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it suddenly starts looking like usual language. < 1304808812 75900 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'll need to branch it very soon into graphical appearance and editing. < 1304809396 177983 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: you still here? < 1304809450 584122 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :allright! < 1304809458 217493 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pasted #384885 to http://paste.pocoo.org/show/384885 < 1304809464 459845 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tthis fucker is able to run factorial now < 1304809505 177723 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pasted #384886 to http://paste.pocoo.org/show/384886 < 1304809510 501351 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's linepaste of factorial < 1304809544 763500 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck < 1304809568 437610 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1304809572 549279 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing a lisp parseer < 1304809576 863946 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1304809609 423948 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1304809613 717825 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. avoiding writing of lisp parser < 1304809645 45430 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's like avoiding flood wake but hey trying isn't forbidden? < 1304809675 649633 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1304809680 981602 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what are you writing? < 1304809736 591110 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hg.boxbase.org/coconut < 1304809766 884667 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Coconut < 1304809768 728994 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no results < 1304809769 554277 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1304809802 98223 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't added it yet. < 1304809806 848737 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1304809818 628841 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you, let me guess, parsing "Coconut" to lisp? < 1304809841 838707 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah. coconut is the file format I use. < 1304809871 698684 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if I wrote a factorial in this thing today, I still have to work it further. < 1304809905 517868 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :'texting' that factorial was damn crazy. < 1304809928 510798 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least now there's something under to try it on. < 1304809931 770604 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1304809977 855091 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: oh yeah. it's a structured code format. < 1304810059 95138 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I've just written editing tools and an interpreter handling the format < 1304810110 258899 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably getting to the point somewhere soon where I'm yet adding a number into version. < 1304810121 913961 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool. < 1304810131 436279 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've (almost) finished my DevPerc interpreter < 1304810139 107465 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after over 6 months in development < 1304810146 165905 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully it will have been worth the wait < 1304810152 606293 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Gabe Newell (paraphrased) < 1304810156 741107 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spec had more features while ago, but I removed excess ones until I get it doing better. < 1304810165 125430 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheery: same. < 1304810172 530852 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now have FOUR commands < 1304810199 137960 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguly looks for an awesome compiled programming language < 1304810207 814482 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure why < 1304810233 932294 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow I'll try get my friend look at that thing, and I perhaps start writing the editor piece. < 1304810244 341759 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to use old code I had. :( that's carp < 1304810245 955417 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*crap < 1304810252 617732 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people dislike Common Lisp for some reason. Why? < 1304810283 287978 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fragmented langugae < 1304810293 373568 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why clisp isn't interesting to many < 1304810308 39261 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304810349 889380 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers looking at Mercury before < 1304810356 26967 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot what my opinion of it was < 1304810393 739833 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmhmhmhm.... I'm wondering right now how I'll proceed with my editor. but then I'm getting that sleep before doing anything. < 1304810464 131104 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304810487 693176 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1304810600 480130 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets bored looking at Mercury < 1304810701 450631 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at gallium, < 1304810755 567162 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost Googled that, expecting to find a language < 1304810829 700710 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1304810912 409002 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, here, some gallium: http://periodicvideos.com/videos/031.htm