IIRC
< 1305377289 652501 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or , I think that does something.
< 1305377714 290680 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, 
 it was
< 1305377723 673967 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there we go, the implementation is on the wiki
< 1305377989 844954 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so, how horrible is http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:DownRight#Implementation_in_haskell
< 1305378730 813980 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the idiomatic way to split away the first element of a Seq is to use the left view function and pattern match
< 1305378745 662822 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how does that work
< 1305378758 786234 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the view thigy I mean
< 1305378859 899517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thingy*
< 1305378904 318828 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :case viewl queue of EmptyL -> pos; instr <| newqueue -> ...
< 1305378929 843468 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, aha
< 1305378946 41065 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can use where clauses in a case match, no need for let ... in ...
< 1305378970 786171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, anything wrong with let?
< 1305378977 833473 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, let looks neater than where to me
< 1305378988 625889 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe because I'm used to reading programs from the top going down
< 1305379015 697408 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, same reason I dislike perl's reversed if I guess
< 1305379017 355205 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok although you get less indentation with where
< 1305379043 424155 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it isn't going past 100 columns, I have no issue with it
< 1305379058 514022 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to align the "in" with the "let" if you do that
< 1305379071 127860 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah perhaps
< 1305379091 421765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I see I used two different ways a bit above
< 1305379113 454059 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is the let style used in programToArray idiomatic (wrt indention)
< 1305379141 157690 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably do the same in executeDownRight
< 1305379241 862009 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not that knowledgeable about haskell style
< 1305379301 462883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : case viewl queue of EmptyL -> pos; instr <| newqueue -> ...
< 1305379303 674034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, uh what
< 1305379306 601044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't work
< 1305379312 167474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :downright.hs:66:9: Parse error in pattern
< 1305379317 700903 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the instr <| newqueue stuff
< 1305379320 584717 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :even when I do:
< 1305379324 274675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :         (Seq.<|) instr newqueue ->
< 1305379328 618896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is surely the same
< 1305379364 871221 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that ought to work
< 1305379386 270329 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, maybe some new feature in ghc 7?
< 1305379416 286152 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :viewl docs says a :< (Seq a)	 leftmost element and the rest of the sequence
< 1305379417 452843 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ^
< 1305379422 80489 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that is what you ma
< 1305379423 672107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :meant*
< 1305379423 965305 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1305379460 152112 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, i misread the :browse output
< 1305379488 671280 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I'd like proper docs available in ghci, not just the type signature
< 1305379491 589918 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another thing, i think your parse will fail on a file containing only whitespace
< 1305379503 254015 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure type signature + name tell you something, but far from everything
< 1305379507 312717 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially for IO stuff
< 1305379521 341524 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that is intended surely?
< 1305379534 785261 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you don't fail on empty file...
< 1305379535 294574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since leading whitespace on the first line isn't defined
< 1305379547 144964 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, empty file does not have leading whitespace on the first line
< 1305379551 893253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a file with just whitespace does
< 1305379556 634704 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1305379578 809000 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what is "heh" about that
< 1305379581 976140 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is obvious
< 1305379610 112465 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: don't you have haddock documentation, my installation of the haskell platform includes that
< 1305379627 643471 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I installed ghc from my distro package manager
< 1305379633 422156 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is ghc 6.12.1 btw
< 1305379665 596272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, but if it involves anything more complicated than say :h foo in ghci it really isn't that helpful
< 1305379667 485290 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it includes generated html from haddock
< 1305379675 709710 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, means I need to start a browser
< 1305379680 638245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :inconvenient most of the time
< 1305379684 316490 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1305379694 388863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I often don't run X until I actually need it
< 1305379695 517016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so...
< 1305379707 912972 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and console browsers leave something to be desired
< 1305379722 355791 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, come on, even python has help from the REPL
< 1305379733 505162 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and erlang has it from the command line, proper man pages
< 1305379739 580049 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :proper man pages would work too
< 1305379747 539741 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know what other formats haddock can generate, but you can always read the source files if you download them
< 1305379752 366449 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like erl -man some_module
< 1305379776 21924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, perl has perldoc, perfectly readable in a terminal
< 1305379809 978668 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well how does one run haddock? haddock Data.Sequence?
< 1305379823 23580 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: listen i have no idea how the haskell platform is set up on linux
< 1305379827 195282 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1305379845 255438 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't think this is the platform, this system surely predates that "batteries included" stuff
< 1305379855 582672 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think usually one runs a cabal command to generate the haddock as well
< 1305379894 60216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ man cabal
< 1305379894 144447 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :No manual entry for cabal
< 1305379896 49396 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a failure
< 1305379919 60430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes but again that is html docs
< 1305379927 898736 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i will speak no more of this, since i don't know the answer and you are starting to irritate me
< 1305379928 413814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :html docs are just annoying
< 1305379944 250474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, sure, anyway, will upload viewl based version
< 1305379950 522376 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does indeed make things cleaner
< 1305380050 62807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :done
< 1305381893 229322 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :square root of minus garfield seems to be taking a dark turn
< 1305381899 568814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh?
< 1305381940 812136 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the last two ones
< 1305381956 533069 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm will soon
< 1305382258 727626 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305382347 299812 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com TOPIC #esoteric :The first rule of thumb is that you do not talk about thumb. | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D
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< 1305383178 473005 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who invented "lesser of two evils"?
< 1305383616 768154 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that the wikipedia article doesn't say anything about the etymology

< 1305383645 25372 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being mostly about the "lesser of two evils" in politics
< 1305383661 228403 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I looked.
< 1305383751 466934 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't know who invented it, who is commonly associated with this quotation?
< 1305383778 709676 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem to be much of a _quotation_, just a phrase
< 1305384051 143242 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to google '"lesser of two evils" dictionary etymology' doesn't seem to give anything about that phrase itself
< 1305384061 138882 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have idea to invent a new hypothetical kind of node in TeX. It consists of a list of pairs of numbers and node lists. It will select whichever node list, to be included into the current list, which results in the fewest demerits (or least badness+penalty for vertical lists). The numbers are the extra demerits (or penalties for vertical lists) to be added if that one is selected.
< 1305384116 842051 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many uses for this can you think of?
< 1305384210 338202 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 QUIT :Quit: Later
< 1305384669 881619 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :More ADOM challenges:
< 1305384740 130613 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Restricted Eternium Man: As Eternium Man, but pick pockets and companions are not allowed. If you start with a companion or read a scroll of familiar summoning you must attack them at first to kill them as much as and as soon as possible.
< 1305384763 262630 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very Restricted Eternium Man: As Restricted Eternium Man, but it is not allowed to wish for anything. You must leave any wish you receive blank.
< 1305384936 994148 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Restricted Plutonium Man: As Plutonium Man, but after background corruption is stopped, everything else done after that doesn't count.
< 1305385028 67758 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pray Game: You must use the pray command every time immediately after using a upstairs or downstairs command.
< 1305385055 447075 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Restricted Pray Game: As Pray Game, but no sacrificing on altars is permitted.
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< 1305385201 812250 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unluck Game: Immediately save the game and then change the name of your character in the save file, wrecking the checksum and making you run out of luck.
< 1305385981 842040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305386682 177200 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Convenience does not mean ease of use!
< 1305386839 166508 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG the Nigerian Finance Minister is back.
< 1305387090 537546 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/hb8v9/reading_reddit_may_have_just_saved_my_life/
< 1305387093 508807 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT AT WHAT COST
< 1305390330 330000 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-206-241.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1305390434 529909 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
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< 1305390627 719597 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : OMG the Nigerian Finance Minister is back. <-- in a rather painful way too
< 1305390634 262944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that comic made me go "augh"
< 1305390946 631626 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1305394915 337444 :ajf|offline!~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf
< 1305395189 816136 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Schizoaffective programmer Michael Crawford says  "I can work effectively even when I'm wigging, even when I'm hallucinating, even when I'm severely depressed." He later expanded on this:     And by wigging, I meant that I could develop software while severely paranoid. I've spent a lot of productive hours at the office, laboring at my computer, while trying to avoid thinking of the fact that a Nazi armoured division was holding m
< 1305395190 49094 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :aneuvers in the parking lot.
< 1305395217 299890 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.tesser.org/2011/5/12/mental-illness-and-startups
< 1305396725 523737 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Chrome: Stop losing my cookies every time I close you
< 1305397299 271156 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, hi
< 1305397306 95382 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1305397306 177385 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you doing?
< 1305397308 496542 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok
< 1305397558 466234 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305398746 503051 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :micahjohnstonn
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< 1305399564 503244 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Numb3rs ­— IRC is Drug Dealing Boats in the Ocean" — http://www.cracked.com/article_19160_8-scenes-that-prove-hollywood-doesnt-get-technology_p2.html
< 1305399578 260236 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, guys, let's get a boat and deal some drugs on it!
< 1305399584 855795 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, Plazma is still here.
< 1305399588 500800 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what
< 1305399594 977013 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone hide the drugs again.
< 1305399711 400991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I implemented ↓→ in haskell btw, you might want to check talk page on wiki for it
< 1305399719 32972 :augur!~augur@c-68-48-188-34.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305399724 602495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in case you haven't already seen it)
< 1305399728 141280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will at some point
< 1305399730 462343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm almost scared to look.
< 1305399736 204465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that downright impls are all that interesting, it's quite a simple language
< 1305399744 122909 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm certain it could be better in some ways
< 1305399755 805526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: maybe you've actually written code worse than Shiro.
< 1305399757 267122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is possible.
< 1305399758 245307 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Keymaker beat me to it btw, making one in python
< 1305399761 708043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, heh
< 1305399772 480539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is pretty much parsec + pure haskell + main
< 1305399773 107213 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolol
< 1305399775 789949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm of the opinion that nearly all Haskell code is bad
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< 1305399777 736516 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :on-line names!
< 1305399780 468678 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why
< 1305399782 589229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no it isn't?
< 1305399784 559260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is wrong with haskell
< 1305399792 542541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I mean, Haskell can be written well
< 1305399797 71757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just think, most people who write it write it badly
< 1305399798 563482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I do
< 1305399804 71981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OK for a start...
< 1305399807 754023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :downrightFile = (sepEndBy1 line eol) <|> (eof >> return [])
< 1305399814 422239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could JUST OMIT THE ONE and avoid that <|> thing.
< 1305399833 236575 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm, nope
< 1305399835 930385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, yep.
< 1305399848 812510 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no that one would allow a file with whitespace
< 1305399851 451190 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't valid
< 1305399855 376568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1305399857 274260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, an empty file is valid
< 1305399866 331714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, is 0 coprime with 0?
< 1305399866 481387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would not allow that.
< 1305399872 719992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematically?
< 1305399880 83260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, downrightFile is kind of awful because it's inconsistent.
< 1305399881 907240 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I implement the extension that they don't need to be coprime
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< 1305399893 153507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ah, OK
< 1305399894 542385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that... doesn't even make *sense*.
< 1305399896 406095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By extension do you mean "I was too lazy to implement the language"?
< 1305399904 631474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: agreed
< 1305399905 326457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a file with just whitespace *has leading whitespace on the first line*, which is undefined
< 1305399910 466968 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and yes :P
< 1305399916 606229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK well your use of Parsec is awful but I'll ignore it for now.
< 1305399920 960143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :filterDownRight = map (map (filter (`elem` "↓→")))
< 1305399925 257952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus CHRIST learn to use dollar.
< 1305399927 929951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: philosophical question: if the file is just whitespace, is it leading whitespace or trailing whitespace?
< 1305399933 150170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, good one
< 1305399938 628627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, map (map (...))?
< 1305399946 191100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a 2D map?
< 1305399947 126063 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I vote for left associative whitespace, thus making it leading
< 1305399949 973874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it is
< 1305399961 857823 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I guess so
< 1305399965 137573 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some better way
< 1305399970 236453 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that is Prelude.Map btw
< 1305399971 588105 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1305399972 28054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, it's OK, just surprising
< 1305399973 909678 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude.map
< 1305399981 101253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: map . map $ filter (`elem` "↓→")
< 1305399989 117720 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm, right
< 1305399995 819056 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott,  but that just saves some ()
< 1305400004 509603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkLen :: [[a]] -> Bool
< 1305400004 714752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkLen [] = True
< 1305400004 796217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkLen (x:xs) =
< 1305400006 680268 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's the point...
< 1305400009 652950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a start, GHC can optimise that, you know.
< 1305400016 211535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For second, jesus christ use where clauses.
< 1305400017 491240 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, optimise what?
< 1305400024 62985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Your pointless binding of length x.
< 1305400035 421518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, in goes on the line of the expression, not on the last line of bindings.
< 1305400038 116016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, err, I think that made the code clearer?
< 1305400040 979966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OCaml doesn't have where clauses as far as I know
< 1305400042 298981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ...no?
< 1305400048 614146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, meh okay
< 1305400049 12358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkLen (x:xs) = all (\y -> length y == length x) xs
< 1305400049 220214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I've got into the habit of writing code without them
< 1305400055 19773 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and why where clauses
< 1305400056 424554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually not too bad, normally just a line or two longer
< 1305400056 506669 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric : err, is 0 coprime with 0? <-- intuitively not, they have common divisors other than 1
< 1305400057 330626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's just a flaw of OCaml.
< 1305400060 253884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because that's ugly.
< 1305400065 745088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I read code from top to bottom, not jumping around
< 1305400066 493853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: as in every number in existence?
< 1305400069 692440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a good point
< 1305400073 741272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is why I dislike perl's reverse if too
< 1305400087 510007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I more or less read Haskell right to left
< 1305400089 516416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OK, well, I'm trying to help you be a better Haskell programmer, so maybe: no?
< 1305400101 885044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm okay I guess where clause is more idiomatic then
< 1305400106 856072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it depends on what the code actually is
< 1305400107 574570 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but why is it more idiomatic
< 1305400117 925914 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm used to let in scheme too
< 1305400118 778854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because your code doesn't read smoothly.
< 1305400119 159873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hm
< 1305400133 990532 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, would you argue scheme code doesn't read smoothly either?
< 1305400139 617948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme is not Haskell.
< 1305400143 378677 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed
< 1305400167 339463 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but the construct let is pretty much the same in both, give or take some parens and the in keyword
< 1305400171 86871 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK this Second Life chase scene is the funniest thing ever.
< 1305400177 230591 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, link?
< 1305400181 708549 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean most ludicrously stupid.
< 1305400187 215369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal:
< 1305400188 199837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :programToArray :: [[String]] -> Array (Int,Int) String
< 1305400188 441892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :programToArray p@(x:xs) = listArray ((0,0), (h,w)) $ concat p
< 1305400209 366276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah, right, I guess I should use the @ thing more yes
< 1305400217 490616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc there are a few other places where it would be a good idea
< 1305400219 279356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"executeDownRight" -- Haskell has modules, just "execute" is fine.
< 1305400226 997898 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, http://www.cracked.com/article_19160_8-scenes-that-prove-hollywood-doesnt-get-technology_p2.html
< 1305400234 635191 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also has IRC drug boats.
< 1305400244 163993 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: as in every number in existence? <-- if you interpret the g in gcd in the division lattice sense, then gcd 0 0 is clearly 0
< 1305400244 977927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of your argument names are a bit overly long and make the code less scannable, but whatever, it's not a huge deal.
< 1305400253 111016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right, but with :load it doesn't work that neatly :(
< 1305400259 37831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Uh?
< 1305400266 663554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: For a start, use inferior-haskell, dude.
< 1305400268 879335 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 0 is the top lattice element
< 1305400271 813780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was thinking more along the lines that 0 is a multiple of every prime
< 1305400274 323605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-c C-l C-x o ;; REPL
< 1305400276 164478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it has an infinite number of prime factors
< 1305400291 32523 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well that's equivalent (well also every prime power)
< 1305400294 885907 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I was using nano for no obvious reason for this, but okay
< 1305400301 992511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're indenting case statement bodies by five. wtf.
< 1305400308 581943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :load and :m in ghci seems to load into the "top" scope or whatever you call it
< 1305400313 232507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually your indentation is a bit too large in general IMO, but whatever; but five? wat.
< 1305400314 975345 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is a mistake
< 1305400320 139663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It is so not a mistake.
< 1305400325 414088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm sure it should be 4
< 1305400328 484700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1305400335 422697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal:  elliott, :load and :m in ghci seems to load into the "top" scope or whatever you call it
< 1305400343 185950 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well i guess my advice to use <$> to avoid elliott shouting at you wouldn't have helped anyway (he shouts regardless :D)
< 1305400349 652521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a start, you don't have a module declaration, so it's in the Main module. This is correct since it's a self-contained program.
< 1305400357 145223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a second, that's desirable behaviour.
< 1305400376 588264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're writing a downright impl, you want to be able to test the functions quickly, so why type DownRight all the time?
< 1305400379 117930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH
< 1305400383 695805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY ARE MY MESSAGES BEING THROTTLED
< 1305400387 371488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THIS SHIT IS GETTING DROPPED
< 1305400390 866914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1305400415 603164 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: incidentally did you know that the first version of haskell didn't even _have_ let? (there are haskell 1 programs using let as an ordinary variable)
< 1305400418 153266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://sprunge.us/AVWU
< 1305400420 964670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of this might have been dropped.
< 1305400431 129294 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1305400441 283511 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no I wasn't aware
< 1305400450 201691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :downRightInteract :: String -> String
< 1305400450 369743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :downRightInteract input =
< 1305400450 451940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    case downRight input of
< 1305400450 452009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :         ParseErr err -> "Parse error: " ++ show err ++ "\n"
< 1305400450 452053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :         Error err -> "Error: " ++ err ++ "\n"
< 1305400450 691716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :         FinalPos pos -> "Halted at " ++ show pos ++ "\n"
< 1305400453 289698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is an ugly use of interact.
< 1305400462 702154 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, mm okay
< 1305400477 16177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually so is the unification of parsing and running into that weird DownRightReturn thing IMO
< 1305400491 36147 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I was a bit annoyed at not being able to construct ParseError myself, otherwise I would have used Either
< 1305400499 962075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if I can construct them I have no clue how
< 1305400500 161788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Construct ParseError myself"?
< 1305400507 913753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you trying to do?
< 1305400521 442130 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, you can't have Either ParseError ErrorMessageOfMyOwn Result
< 1305400529 812734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1305400537 296432 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what?
< 1305400559 981975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK well I'll ignore that what you're saying is incoherent to nitpick other things for now.
< 1305400566 604398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :         (Seq.:<) instr newqueue ->
< 1305400571 747071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instr Seq.:< newqueue ->
< 1305400583 634029 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm okay, that looks ugly though
< 1305400593 221944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could always import (:<) so you could do
< 1305400597 364391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instr :< newqueue ->
< 1305400618 181776 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes sure, but meh
< 1305400624 273263 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway that operator looks rather silly
< 1305400632 715917 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :way too much like a smiley
< 1305400634 646488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unrelated nitpick: "-- Released in public domain in countries where that is applicable." ;; Suggest WTFPL since this currently reserves all rights in countries where PD is inapplicable.)
< 1305400652 118084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: : has to be used, since otherwise it wouldn't be a valid constructor name.
< 1305400667 364814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, good idea, I'd do it as BSD 2 clause except that they I couldn't put it on the wiki
< 1305400702 152111 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway convert the wiki to WTFPL instead of public domain and I'll change it
< 1305400706 415613 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the module that exports ParseError also exports functions that create them
< 1305400713 76753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Um, the wiki is http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/.
< 1305400718 503736 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, huh, must have missed the docs
< 1305400719 577707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So just license it under that.
< 1305400725 627358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the WTFPL probably works quite badly in some countries
< 1305400728 820848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, "Available as described at http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/"
< 1305400729 760816 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah, so that is not the same as plain public domain?
< 1305400738 688435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Name of "checkLen" is wrong; avoid verbs.
< 1305400745 473494 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that page:
< 1305400746 981448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CC-PD is much more complex than many licenses, because making something truly PD or equivalent is really hard
< 1305400747 266164 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Creative Commons has retired this legal tool and does not recommend that it be applied to works."
< 1305400749 347896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1305400757 969418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be five lines
< 1305400758 926339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it isn't checking the "length", it's checking the list for a certain property.
< 1305400762 371357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it expanded to something like ten paragraphs
< 1305400764 418812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest validProgram.
< 1305400777 877581 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, let's see if I can consistently make my bot crash.
< 1305400785 156929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it contracted again, by the look of it
< 1305400787 527021 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which is arguably related to length but sure
< 1305400825 19082 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305400835 98874 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what we need is a license that gives the right to kill any lawyers that claim the work isn't public domain
< 1305400851 30007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays they've invented CC0
< 1305400869 60323 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is the difference?
< 1305400883 537362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 0 has no sugar and twenty five percent less calories
< 1305400892 863656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, .D
< 1305400894 82499 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D*
< 1305400910 352621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CC0 attempts to work in every jurisdiction in the world, not just the US
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< 1305400940 391740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so we should probably shift to it, or shift to something else entierly
< 1305400944 582514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :filterDownRight is also badly named; I'd suggest "clean" or something.
< 1305400947 704117 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that is tricky in practise however
< 1305400955 676402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm
< 1305400967 602610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"clean" is pretty vague, but the previous name is vaguer.
< 1305400970 359079 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or filter, and then I use Prelude.filter in it, for maximum confusion
< 1305400980 312399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, filter shadows Prelude, which is unforgivable :)
< 1305400987 570922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As far as vagueness goes, you can't fit a function's definition into its name, anyway.)
< 1305400989 872849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OR CAN YOU??????)
< 1305401005 824482 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hey, Data.Sequence gets away with shadowing Prelude
< 1305401006 493309 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1305401012 399219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Data structures can.
< 1305401016 422568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you're meant to import them qualified.
< 1305401020 860620 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm okay
< 1305401025 577281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's for consistent naming, e.g. filter vs. Map.filter
< 1305401053 790265 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : (As far as vagueness goes, you can't fit a function's definition into its name, anyway.) <-- and that is why haskell needs man page docs for modules, or even better, something like the built in help() in python REPL
< 1305401059 944426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like html based docs
< 1305401080 155905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means I have to start X. Console based web browsers leaves a lot to be desired.
< 1305401099 78453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "and that is why haskell needs" Rephrase this in a way that doesn't blame the Haskell community for your personal dislike :P
< 1305401104 177813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :w[three]m works fine on Haddock docs.
< 1305401108 792482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Haddock can also generate pdfs iirc
< 1305401121 590631 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, tried pdf outside X any time?
< 1305401127 351233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but you can print them.
< 1305401133 745979 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway something as integrated as :t would be ideal
< 1305401143 354960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think haskell-mode has something.
< 1305401147 576110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay
< 1305401190 195226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, w3m /usr/local/share/doc/parsec-3.1.1/html/index.html works great.
< 1305401232 577186 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope TOPIC #esoteric :okoko | The first rule of thumb is that you do not talk about thumb. | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D
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< 1305401234 300110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, still somewhat more work compared to help() in python (which I have to say is one of the few truly great things with python)
< 1305401234 748890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh, I seem to not have Prelude documentation on this system :(
< 1305401243 998603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I like that topic
< 1305401246 213287 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, w3m /usr/local/share/doc/parsec-3.1.1/html/index.html works great.  Uh oh, I seem to not have Prelude documentation on this system :(
< 1305401250 844329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Hitting a key-combo in Emacs is zero effort.
< 1305401251 407103 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :P
< 1305401259 29237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that's because I installed my own GHC.
< 1305401260 944688 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thank you.
< 1305401262 847524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With the binary package since I'm lazy.)
< 1305401264 372857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, vim users wouldn't agree
< 1305401264 708490 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I designed it to repel tswettbots.
< 1305401279 37472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which bit repels the tswettbot?
< 1305401280 705695 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now tswettbot cannot set foot in this channel and expect to live.  Observe.
< 1305401286 215027 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a secret.
< 1305401292 250370 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
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< 1305401325 290662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What about vim users?
< 1305401327 236388 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, what is the point of this?
< 1305401334 410501 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm trying to figure out what's wrong with my bot.
< 1305401337 101195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You use Emacs; therefore what is relevant is Emacs ways to accomplish tasks.
< 1305401341 834964 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they don't agree with " Vorpal: Hitting a key-combo in Emacs is zero effort."
< 1305401353 235893 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway I'm using nano more and more these days
< 1305401358 567791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, don't use nano for Haskell.
< 1305401360 743818 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and µemacs quite a bit too
< 1305401373 314684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is clearly unforgivably bad with indentation.
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< 1305401384 437685 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nano, yeah
< 1305401392 871440 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope TOPIC #esoteric :opoko | The first rule of thumb is that you do not talk about thumb. | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D
< 1305401401 158263 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1305401453 295806 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, I know what is wrong with your bot. You made it quit on seeing "okoko" in the topic
< 1305401457 687498 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1305401506 436421 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : C-c C-l C-x o ;; REPL
< 1305401514 132662 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider that a bit too long btw
< 1305401540 473915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-c (two) C-l (four) C-x (six) o (Assuming you count Ctrl as separate which is silly)
< 1305401546 720345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compare with Alt-Tab, :, ...
< 1305401569 195437 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't like alt-tab,  because it doesn't work well with more than 3-4 programs open
< 1305401573 348104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, instead of "newblah", say "blah'".
< 1305401573 934230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: C-c (two) C-l (three) C-c (four) o ;; REPL
< 1305401594 936504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway it is not quite as bad due to not moving one of the keys, just repeating the same one
< 1305401604 881041 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah good idea
< 1305401695 417286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working on a clean-up of the code, FWIW
< 1305401714 912896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leaving the Parsec parts alone because I'm lazy
< 1305401760 840296 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i already suggested filter (not . null) . map words . lines  :)
< 1305401778 499026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that probably /is/ better than Parsec here
< 1305401781 252809 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope TOPIC #esoteric :opokoko | The first rule of thumb is that you do not talk about thumb. | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D
< 1305401782 961649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was unclear on just how little "syntax" there was
< 1305401793 675670 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, that probably /is/ better than Parsec here <-- you convinced me
< 1305401798 330457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't have used that otherwise
< 1305401798 759194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your fault ;)
< 1305401802 698054 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no your
< 1305401803 312971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you have to allow \n, \f, and \v as line separators
< 1305401806 375731 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I trusted you
< 1305401807 235763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not /that/ overkill really
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< 1305401812 236199 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh \f and \v too
< 1305401814 590838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, \n(whitespace)\n is just the one line separator
< 1305401815 694005 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right I'll fix it
< 1305401816 583124 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1305401829 763279 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> lines "test\nhi\fho\vthere"
< 1305401830 427369 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["test","hi\fho\vthere"]
< 1305401848 11672 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sic transit gloria mundi :(
< 1305401852 792043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway I'll fix some of the points
< 1305401859 216724 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and upload a new one
< 1305401870 815573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'd wait until I finish this cleanup :P
< 1305401880 713731 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can wait
< 1305401888 926506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Eh?
< 1305401891 232634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?src lines
< 1305401891 360842 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. I am sorry.
< 1305401894 571746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr lambdabot
< 1305401896 252751 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t chunks
< 1305401896 902082 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `chunks'
< 1305401899 74021 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t chunk
< 1305401899 713196 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `chunk'
< 1305401903 505597 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1305401918 94971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so it should be:
< 1305401920 306498 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :let ....
< 1305401923 958441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ...?
< 1305401926 666266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or how
< 1305401933 223512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Too busy finishing off this tweak to answer.
< 1305401941 838905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well I'll leave it in place then
< 1305401963 904874 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I *am* going to upload it over it there
< 1305401969 706352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1305401999 216100 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can of course make it in a new section, but on a talk page it would be wrong to overwrite what someone else said, especially since it is signed as me
< 1305402006 927450 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be moved to the non-talk page then
< 1305402019 469501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When the fuck did I ever say I was going to overwrite ... what?
< 1305402022 674771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what you are talking about.
< 1305402025 745270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I misunderstood then
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< 1305402048 935725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you sure are being hostile to someone cleaning up your code to try and help you become a better Haskell programmer.
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< 1305402075 630548 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nope, I'm not, I'm just asking that you explain it instead so I can fix it, I'll learn more that way
< 1305402099 962494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So you can't compare two pieces of code side by side?
< 1305402114 969021 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm maybe
< 1305402119 532809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cleaning up people's code is a standard practice in #haskell.
< 1305402124 958495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1305402204 306083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t break
< 1305402205 55036 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (a -> Bool) -> [a] -> ([a], [a])
< 1305402211 43344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: gah what /is/ the function lines/words is based on?
< 1305402212 99523 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh btw y and x have weird numbering ordering there, I'm surprised you didn't discover it.
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< 1305402236 209717 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the reason is of course that array's fromList didn't do it the way I expected
< 1305402253 569976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, thus x is vertical and y horizontal
< 1305402256 771776 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that was easier
< 1305402265 965478 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at that point)
< 1305402273 214912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not bothering to look at the actual algorithms.
< 1305402277 72531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :All these improvements are structural.
< 1305402278 234968 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could go over and rename the thing
< 1305402284 429746 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there wasn't a generic version of those when they were added, there might still not be in the standard library
< 1305402294 860127 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :words = split . dropBlanks . dropDelims . whenElt
< 1305402297 888975 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lines = split . dropFinalBlank . dropDelims . whenElt
< 1305402304 4358 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/split/0.1.4/doc/html/Data-List-Split.html
< 1305402306 826223 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t whenElt
< 1305402307 439197 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `whenElt'
< 1305402313 368512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck is whenElt?
< 1305402317 770848 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is however a package ... yeah the one Deewiant mentioned
< 1305402327 474126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/libraries/base/src/Data-List.html#lines
< 1305402327 946027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1305402344 956530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That's a bit of a dependency for handling two more characters in one call :)
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< 1305402355 195875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, since \n[whitespace] counts as a break, maybe it's worthwhile
< 1305402356 802776 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of my default dependencies for almost everything
< 1305402364 608112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, yeah, split is ubiquitous.
< 1305402369 92895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the Haskell Platform counts as stdlib now :)
< 1305402371 895070 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what? You are dropping the parsec?
< 1305402377 345053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Maybe.
< 1305402384 527614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on if oerjan's line can be tweaked into something correct without pain.
< 1305402393 66981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chunk
< 1305402393 458851 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in my .ghci along with monad-loops and maybe something else, I forget
< 1305402393 774663 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `chunk'
< 1305402396 317130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh.
< 1305402401 846428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well as long as it works on ghc 6 + parsec :P
< 1305402411 460564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You have the Haskell Platform installed?
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< 1305402422 7088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't know if ubuntu uses the haskell platform, I uses whatever is in the package manager
< 1305402425 895755 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and safe
< 1305402429 777474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: sudo apt-get install haskell-platform
< 1305402437 867597 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, don't think so no
< 1305402443 242136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, do it.
< 1305402447 365940 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I had to install parsec for this
< 1305402455 11879 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, meh, this think has a small hdd
< 1305402455 263353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you have is like gcc without libc. :p
< 1305402458 185972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, it's like...
< 1305402460 559745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc with half of libc.
< 1305402467 29898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: haskell-platform isn't significantly larger than ghc.
< 1305402476 161069 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I used that a fair number of times, having half a libc is a luxury!
< 1305402485 816151 :tswettbou!~tswettbou@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1305402487 67980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just install it for chrissakes.
< 1305402517 735796 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah, when I was young we used to *dream* of having even a quarter of a libc!
< 1305402522 404225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wordsBy and linesBy seem useful in Data.List.Split.
< 1305402541 221905 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hasn't used Data.List.Split himself

< 1305402542 222863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, does that handle vertical tab and form feed correctly?
< 1305402552 490834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :         Right [] -> Error "Can't handle null program yet"
< 1305402554 21816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Facepalm.
< 1305402561 100250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: STFU, they take predicates.
< 1305402590 549921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to take a break now to mercilessly mock today's log.
< 1305402607 978428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:39:50:  140,000 miles of testing on the streets of LA.
< 1305402608 154485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:39:53:  an AI knows not of how to react to the unknown
< 1305402611 58036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither does a human.
< 1305402615 241888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:40:31:  say, hypothetically, the car is damaged without the AI noticing
< 1305402615 500763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:40:40:  would it drive on? yes.
< 1305402622 932396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're... assuming this thing has no "off" button for a human to hit?
< 1305402633 14465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:42:27:  no
< 1305402633 140161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:42:31:  the average numskull
< 1305402633 355471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:42:39:  reacts better to the unknown than an AI
< 1305402634 610292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHA
< 1305402642 793626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:43:00:  pikhq_: OK
< 1305402643 39768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:43:09:  the car sets on fire
< 1305402643 120770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:43:29:  what happens?
< 1305402654 798865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The person in it sits there mindlessly, unaware that it's on fire, and has no idea to push the off switch. Obviously.
< 1305402668 298988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:44:50:  I just wonder
< 1305402668 504147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:45:00:  How the AI reacts to certain scenarios
< 1305402668 586011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:45:09:  That could not have been forseen
< 1305402672 332135 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the person is made of straw
< 1305402677 681814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they can't be foreseen, then there's no way you can foresee them.
< 1305402685 885389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore every example you come up with is crap and your argument is baseless.
< 1305402700 395932 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really love it when people are wrong.  When someone says something that's wrong, I want people to tell me, so that I can know how wrong they are.
< 1305402701 594749 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1305402707 631517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'd like to see a scenario which a human could easily deal with, but in an AI-based situation, the human would somehow have no idea how to press the stop button.
< 1305402709 177378 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you don't get it
< 1305402710 637181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Me too.
< 1305402719 361535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: How am I wrong?
< 1305402720 319618 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a bad example
< 1305402723 118127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:46:43:  Cool.
< 1305402723 361115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:47:10:  What happens when the AI makes a mistake.
< 1305402723 442180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:47:15:  AI isn't flawless.
< 1305402728 606841 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the traffic scenario later on was better.
< 1305402728 892758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool. What happens when the human makes a mistake. Human isn't flawles.
< 1305402746 901371 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The himan can learn from mistakes
< 1305402748 225027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :          Right [] -> Error "Can't handle null program yet" <-- I consider that a missing feature yes
< 1305402749 72189 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who said the AI can@
< 1305402758 211899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:48:39:  ajf, it makes a mistake
< 1305402758 470686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:48:47:  If it makes less mistakes than human drivers, it's still successful
< 1305402758 552619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:48:55:  eh
< 1305402758 552725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:49:11:  inb4 lawsuits
< 1305402758 552768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memes as a substitute for argument: the movie: the game.
< 1305402766 12116 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway, be glad oerjan told me about viewl :P
< 1305402768 159521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:49:28:  Also
< 1305402768 298159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:49:42:  There's the risk that AI could be deployed with serious errors
< 1305402768 380001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:49:59:  Remember when that company made a cancer treatment device with a race condition?
< 1305402768 380160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:50:05:  And killed several people?
< 1305402768 380263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:50:07:  yeah.
< 1305402768 461945 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1305402774 708353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's common, it will be found in testing.
< 1305402776 979238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously.
< 1305402787 390495 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1305402788 751468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, as previously mentioned, already happening.
< 1305402799 765408 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therac's race condition wasn't detected in testing.
< 1305402802 483356 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cancer thing only happened during a very specific scenario
< 1305402807 343747 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1305402816 353270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Precisely.
< 1305402820 621805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the argument is... things have errors?
< 1305402833 772769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf still hasn't presented a scenario that isn't solvable by the human pressing a "stop immediately" button.
< 1305402844 166782 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we can take the outside view here.
< 1305402845 347676 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did have one
< 1305402847 398536 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :life critical devices should be formally verified always
< 1305402850 801397 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The traffic light scenario
< 1305402858 423572 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes, people's lives depend on computer programs.  How often do the programs fail and kill them?
< 1305402865 875086 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say the traffic lights are not working
< 1305402873 71534 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They display the wrong lights
< 1305402879 340291 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: anyway, I came into this discussion late.  May I ask what position you're arguing for?
< 1305402884 443537 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there is a huge sign, in English, stating some instructions
< 1305402896 227770 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The driver, since AI is ubiquitous, cannot drive
< 1305402904 555894 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So cannot follow those instructions
< 1305402908 196667 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is stranded
< 1305402921 54588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, so a weak AI  then?
< 1305402927 429475 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: apropos cancer, you know that doctors give cancer patients drugs with _severe_ side effects, and this is considered ok because if they didn't they'd be much more likely to _die_?  the argument for ais driving cars is _very_ analogous, except the side effects are probably far less
< 1305402929 615396 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I feel AI is no match for the human brain
< 1305402953 145027 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: okay.  What's the difference between AI and a human brain that makes AI worse?
< 1305402973 95506 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AI can't necessarily adapt
< 1305402993 407682 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: is it possible that we might overcome that problem in the future?
< 1305402997 700489 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deaths by AI failing to adapt may be less than deaths by human driver stupidity
< 1305403007 310739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: this point has already been made.
< 1305403009 302505 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: doubt it
< 1305403010 710291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf hasn't responded to it though.
< 1305403028 332231 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My response to that is...
< 1305403029 751681 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what
< 1305403029 897891 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: why not?
< 1305403034 213359 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the general public probably won't see it like that though
< 1305403065 330887 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there's even one death by failed computer driving, the public will react, and completely ignore the deaths by letting humans behind the wheel
< 1305403071 561247 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1305403073 624497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: "So what"?
< 1305403085 135733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the AI results in less deaths than the human, how is the human preferable?
< 1305403092 664760 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't
< 1305403100 604508 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1305403106 586079 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he/she isn't
< 1305403115 877411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then?
< 1305403119 480290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that "so what"?
< 1305403134 953842 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think AI would cause more problems in the long run
< 1305403143 187181 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :More traffic issues, less deaths
< 1305403145 47892 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a possible reason: driving yourself is fun.
< 1305403150 633576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I agree it is a good reason
< 1305403160 410751 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have you ever studied persuasion?
< 1305403175 138551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Traffic jams sure are fun.
< 1305403186 229245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they are rare outside big cities
< 1305403194 391839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: No; and no, I don't expect ajf to change his mind after this.
< 1305403198 797612 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and even there, unless huge, they tend to clear quite quickly
< 1305403237 709269 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: then I hope you're having fun.
< 1305403238 364094 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, I think elliott prefers a more straight forward approach of stating his opinion repeatedly. I guess he didn't get a good roll on the persuasion check
< 1305403246 526190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I sure am.
< 1305403253 128919 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excellent.
< 1305403272 258477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Having said that, I don't think I've actually seen you persuade anyone of anything here either. Although #esoteric is possibly a waste of such talent.
< 1305403292 681535 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please, ignore what I said before. I really meant to say that I am concerned about how AI would react in the event of the unknown.
< 1305403310 886995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I wish persuasion would be like in D&D... Rolling a die and making a check against that value
< 1305403317 570711 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be so much easier
< 1305403322 102327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: I'm concerned about how humans react in the event of the unknown. As far as I can tell we're not qualified to drive cars.
< 1305403333 593199 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hmm
< 1305403336 345180 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what
< 1305403336 844042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty fucking dangerous.
< 1305403339 505844 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's probably true.  I don't think I try very often.
< 1305403353 162452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "I got a six; you have to stop believing that now."
< 1305403363 282301 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut up about humans being bad at driving
< 1305403368 755045 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The minority dies
< 1305403373 126603 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the majority
< 1305403377 43351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think it is 2d10 or such
< 1305403388 195852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: But it is incredibly relevant.
< 1305403394 112193 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd feel more comfortable with 100% AI on the road than 1% AI
< 1305403396 1368 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so probably 16 or something like that is more likely
< 1305403404 793577 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well
< 1305403406 707470 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the idiot humans add major unpredictability
< 1305403409 69218 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's another isue
< 1305403414 928835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: If AI driving kills less people than human driving, then AI driving is preferable.
< 1305403418 548412 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does an AI react to idiots?
< 1305403421 627825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And human driving kills/injures a SHITLOAD of people.
< 1305403429 885771 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, I just realised something
< 1305403450 422471 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you do if the driver can't drive, and needs to take over manual control of the car?
< 1305403472 54554 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, surely you would still need a driving license
< 1305403472 141991 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If human-driven cars were introduced today, I don't think they'd get off the ground
< 1305403479 713213 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case things break down
< 1305403481 71965 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such
< 1305403489 594561 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, they have no wings, so yeah :P
< 1305403501 724009 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I fear for the future
< 1305403504 5053 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305403506 520690 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If AI becomes ubiquitous
< 1305403515 426568 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you DON'T need a license?
< 1305403524 604743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fearing for the future is a position ubiquitous throughout history.
< 1305403525 598024 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1305403530 236623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another position that is ubiquitous throughout history:
< 1305403534 233030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thinking the present is better than the past.
< 1305403545 888306 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hmm what about nostalgia
< 1305403553 316925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The far past, then.
< 1305403553 627547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is PLENTY of that around
< 1305403555 526515 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads AI idiocy.

< 1305403564 47609 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes the past really is better (middle ages etc.)
< 1305403564 332994 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>implying pokemon black and white > red and blue
< 1305403566 601030 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well okay
< 1305403570 207729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: Hahahahaha
< 1305403576 926175 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, FFS, the AI could kill 1000 people a year and it'd be an improvement.
< 1305403577 271096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: Unfortunately you've become too stupid to actually be amusing any more, so I'm done here.
< 1305403595 300520 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, but people'd be very ticked at it
< 1305403596 557383 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, I seem to remember it is less than that in Sweden per year
< 1305403596 639255 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: 1000 or 1000 more?
< 1305403601 438831 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be outlawed
< 1305403609 196345 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is true
< 1305403625 329642 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that can't be right.  Doesn't Heseod's "Works and Days" talk about how the past was really great, but over the centuries, things have gotten worse and worse?
< 1305403626 669640 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, yes, this is because, as has been demonstrated, the majority of people are idiots.
< 1305403637 362929 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not idiots
< 1305403658 138107 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, 1000 people a year is *at least* two orders of magnitude less than what humans manage.
< 1305403659 986007 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be logical to blame AI for deaths resulting from AI-driven cars
< 1305403661 484143 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it needs to be made 100% safe before it will gain major acceptance, even if 99% is a huge improvement
< 1305403676 520538 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, only in a pure-AI setting
< 1305403680 617014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: OK, by "ubiquitous" I actually just meant "common".
< 1305403688 578109 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: eh
< 1305403694 586176 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The status quo killing 10000 people is far better than new technology killing 1000 people, clearly. After all, the new thing is killing people [don't think about the lives it's saving]
< 1305403695 165226 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, that sounds right.
< 1305403696 722040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it was more a pithy remark than anything else since I'd given up on ajf at that point.
< 1305403707 466062 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, otherwise you would have to deal with drunk drivers overtaking and hitting the AI cars on the side instead and what not
< 1305403717 256588 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1305403718 152311 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, "A 1985 report based on British and American crash data found driver error, intoxication and other human factors contribute wholly or partly to about 93% of crashes.[6]"
< 1305403735 767506 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not surprising
< 1305403735 990537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now really want a perfect driving AI that relies on killing, say, a hundred thousand people per year, and consuming their bodies, to run.
< 1305403736 781283 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 93% of crashes which AIs are not susceptible to.
< 1305403745 379484 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1305403752 429968 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes?
< 1305403752 804892 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>error
< 1305403753 263787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, in a mixed setting it would be as now, require investigation to find who did it
< 1305403761 526575 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An AI could also make an error in judgement
< 1305403767 388853 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the AI would probably have accurate logs
< 1305403775 953285 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's susceptible to others, but I highly doubt AI error could be larger than human.
< 1305403781 450527 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if it has a Pentium I, but that's another matter
< 1305403785 273349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: Are you saying that an AI would kill more people than human drivers?
< 1305403787 954198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes or no.
< 1305403798 994867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tswett: Shut up, I can't stop myself.)
< 1305403803 810083 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well
< 1305403812 335305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's like crack, if crack was wasting your time on IRC.)
< 1305403832 296479 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't know
< 1305403832 378570 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have only had small-scale trials
< 1305403843 774047 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a competent human driver can survive dangerous situations that an AI can't... (then again, maybe AI can be progammed to try to survive those situations. How do you test it though?)
< 1305403844 586584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: Yes but clearly you are making sweeping predictions already.
< 1305403852 857894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: Do you think AI drivers, or human drivers, would result in more deaths?
< 1305403863 704366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm.
< 1305403865 345707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: Do you think AI drivers, or human drivers, would result in more deaths/injuries?
< 1305403866 96019 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends, really
< 1305403876 889044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pick the most likely scenario in your mind
< 1305403886 234660 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humans
< 1305403887 988702 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if it's the case that 100% AI drivers result in 0 deaths, but a mixture of AI and human results in more deaths than human alone?
< 1305403896 826706 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do we convince everyone to switch to AI?
< 1305403905 270007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: So you think humans are more likely to result in more deaths/injuries?
< 1305403905 911122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes?
< 1305403916 290404 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1305403927 333944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet you continue to argue that AI driving is a Very Bad Thing.
< 1305403935 359926 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1305403936 486578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey remember how I give up?? I'm DOUBLE giving up.
< 1305403941 490464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Times-two give up combo.
< 1305403942 228258 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No because
< 1305403944 500963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flawless execution.
< 1305403951 49463 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305403957 194595 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Human error is gradually reducing the idiotic population
< 1305403967 562198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think AI driving is a bad thing, because I think programmers detached from the action are typically more likely to be incomptent than humans whose own life is on the line
< 1305403991 793077 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, ok
< 1305403991 914043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Why are you pinging someone who's just make a times-two give up combo.
< 1305403998 645669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is only going to annoy me.
< 1305403998 817449 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I accept your argument, but
< 1305404003 901188 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a new one
< 1305404005 372165 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, I think natural selection will take quite a while to make us good drivers...
< 1305404013 872672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: I hope everyone else enjoys it.
< 1305404029 136603 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catpad.net/michael/apl/
< 1305404033 58877 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a car crashes, and one car or both used AI
< 1305404035 417611 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i posted this before?
< 1305404036 559348 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is responsible?
< 1305404049 327581 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, depends on the situation really
< 1305404051 265383 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The car manafacturer, or the driver?
< 1305404053 595119 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or nobody?
< 1305404056 851883 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: sure
< 1305404057 845736 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, you are
< 1305404057 926782 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :While we're at it, why don't we tear down hospitals, so as to gradually reduce the population of people who aren't more resistant to sickness?
< 1305404072 159922 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater79: Why?
< 1305404074 541334 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, just because your preconceived notions of blame don't adapt to this situation does not make it unworkable.
< 1305404077 735193 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My car was driving itself
< 1305404091 592168 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: I never said it was
< 1305404099 813226 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just wondering who you think would be "blamed"
< 1305404100 910843 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, if it crashes due to a drunk loosing control over the car. Or what if it is driven outside parameters (warranty void if friction coefficient against road is less than x)
< 1305404106 837837 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the last one is a joke)
< 1305404109 796661 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, if two other people crash, you are at fault.
< 1305404115 339293 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, I don't think blame is a particularly useful concept.
< 1305404150 131834 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to sue somebody
< 1305404153 325564 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if the AI isn't to "blame", perhaps it could be adjusted to try to escape that sort of situation
< 1305404164 173888 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, that sounds very american...
< 1305404173 216295 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the AI is to blame, then there's clearly something wrong, and it needs to be adjusted
< 1305404183 486938 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So blame is useful for that
< 1305404188 697637 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Does the AI need to be fixed"
< 1305404191 750426 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: haha
< 1305404197 545019 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if someone mis-tunes the code, due to negligence
< 1305404201 388775 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well the problem is
< 1305404211 33968 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then a computer programmer is accountable for someone's death
< 1305404225 297829 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, that, the public/media/fox news will react horribly in the first AI-related death
< 1305404226 702593 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then a patch can be issued, fixing the bug
< 1305404233 205349 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOWEVER, in situations where this happens, engineers usually have a long peer-review process applied
< 1305404236 124747 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, I agree, and that makes me feel sad
< 1305404238 876658 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"COMPUTER KILLS HUMAN IN CAR CRASH"
< 1305404244 709186 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, I really should have judged you when you said it was impossible for something to contain itsle.
< 1305404247 313994 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :computers don't kill humans
< 1305404247 395970 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*itself
< 1305404249 310954 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kill humans
< 1305404252 436631 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I regret not doing so.
< 1305404258 63142 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The sorry state of modern media also makes me feel sad
< 1305404262 274669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, an advantage with this is that the AI will learn from mistakes globally. In that once a fix is released it will be applied everywhere
< 1305404270 5261 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: True
< 1305404270 786404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: import Text.ParserCombinators.Parsec
< 1305404275 808691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Replace with import Text.Parsec.
< 1305404276 862609 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope they have over-the-air updates
< 1305404284 435151 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just... don't patch when running :P
< 1305404287 852785 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, if a computer driver makes a mistake, it can't learn from its mistakes globally. They'll just be banned
< 1305404289 223723 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I based that on Real world haskell example
< 1305404294 464291 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I guess it is wrong then?
< 1305404298 22849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's Parsec two
< 1305404299 103804 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before then
< 1305404301 530841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.Parsec is three
< 1305404304 980643 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh, I see
< 1305404314 611430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I only installed parsec 3, so why did that work then
< 1305404320 382320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Backwards compatibility layer
< 1305404323 548501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1305404329 679900 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anything else needs changing?
< 1305404341 962768 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err yep
< 1305404346 895504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :    It could refer to either `Main.Error', defined at downright.hs:31:45
< 1305404347 61298 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :                          or `Text.Parsec.Error', imported from Text.Parsec at downright.hs:26:0-17
< 1305404347 651976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1305404351 731162 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to rename it
< 1305404361 606260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or.
< 1305404365 644868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import Text.Parsec hiding (Error)
< 1305404368 841675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import qualified Text.Parsec as Parsec
< 1305404369 385276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah good idea
< 1305404386 712505 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the qualified one would be quite unwieldy though
< 1305404485 306831 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, did you say \f and \v counted as line separators?
< 1305404502 323636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, any block of whitespace including \n, \f, or \v is a line separator
< 1305404509 522458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, as far as oerjan understood it, \n\n would be collapsed to \n yeah
< 1305404519 330506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1305404557 337937 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm so eol = (many1 (oneOf "\n\v\f")) >> ws isn't really correct
< 1305404568 880071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs to handle \n  \n   \n ?
< 1305404574 886602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1305404577 941571 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah
< 1305404583 321439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish lambdabot had split so I could test the composition version oerjan did
< 1305404592 668733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, can't you test it locally?
< 1305404597 871015 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghci
< 1305404644 222174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, okay I'm at loss how to write that for parsec
< 1305404660 936185 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: many1 (oneof "\n\v\f" >> ws)
< 1305404675 433942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes but i'm lazy
< 1305404676 772274 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh, wait, why would that work
< 1305404695 742646 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I was thinking this might, but I guess not: eol = (many1 (oneOf "\n\v\f")) >> ws >> eol
< 1305404719 990264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it would with many instead of many 1
< 1305404722 363576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :many1*
< 1305404725 140045 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well that might too
< 1305404725 445664 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the second one
< 1305404753 431403 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: um you want to ensure there's at least one actual \n\v\f to start with
< 1305404760 877635 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, indeed
< 1305404770 703860 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, but your version does that, right?
< 1305404782 801326 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1305404822 476829 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, BNF so damn easier :P
< 1305404831 671457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't "  \n" count
< 1305404836 144953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no its not, you're just better at bnf
< 1305404840 469580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, as what?
< 1305404844 361214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: as a newline
< 1305404847 986146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 suggested so
< 1305404854 88559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out how to easily do "string of whitespace containing at least one \n\v\f" in BNF
< 1305404857 546296 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes but lines eat trailing ws
< 1305404863 439408 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :line = sepEndBy1 cell ws1
< 1305404865 235951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the rule is pretty simple
< 1305404877 614516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think about "trailing whitespace", etc, just look at the rule!
< 1305404878 682547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so that is not an issue
< 1305404954 546893 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um this way is easier with parsec, otherwise you end up needing backtracking
< 1305404964 723111 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I can't figure out how to easily do "string of whitespace containing at least one \n\v\f" in BNF <-- seems easy enough to me, just define that there might be zero or more \s\t followed by at least one \n\v\f followed by zero or more \n\w\f\t\s
< 1305404968 927765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a newline
< 1305404969 586824 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and try and stuff
< 1305404973 602344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i can find data.list.split on to one line
< 1305404976 801154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ah, that's pretty easy in Parsec too
< 1305404978 624756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can use it in lambdabot
< 1305404984 338419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just specify that directly
< 1305404990 670000 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well it seems the obvious way in BNF :P
< 1305405010 905476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you don't consider it simple?
< 1305405074 31241 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't know if it is just me, but I find it helps to think about BNF in the same mindset you use when thinking about regexp
< 1305405085 815290 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are not the same indeed, but they have similarities
< 1305405137 78415 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and surely you find writing regexp trivial?
< 1305405156 299082 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by letting every token you've got skip trailing whitespace, you increase the chance of your parser being LL(1), thus avoiding try and backtracking.  afaict.
< 1305405192 481851 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah, didn't know that, useful
< 1305405218 163950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: isn't it easier just to do it with every terminal or whatever
< 1305405230 106311 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok i meant terminals
< 1305405271 43753 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lexeme parser is specifically for doing that automatically
< 1305405287 2620 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well semi-automatically
< 1305405291 746297 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, which lexeme parser?
< 1305405299 699032 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it something that parsec has?
< 1305405302 192824 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1305405315 301282 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll look at it later, probably tomorrow
< 1305405330 834848 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it may be part of that expression parsing thing
< 1305405361 41745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it is
< 1305405362 361090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sucks
< 1305405372 16429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's part of the languagedef stuff
< 1305405383 389451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh not the expression stuff
< 1305405388 827975 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well adding a >> ws (or even better, <* ws) works too
< 1305405409 287844 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION still wants a language he can use to write esolang interpreters that other people won't yell at him for

< 1305405413 390596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, wait, what does <* do?
< 1305405421 970751 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<*)
< 1305405422 597615 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) a b. (Applicative f) => f a -> f b -> f a
< 1305405437 156288 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Common Lisp good or bad for that purpose?
< 1305405438 26134 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Use an esolang, it's the only safe choice on this channel
< 1305405442 830875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, assume a type signature isn't enough for me sometimes
< 1305405449 320742 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's applicative, almost equivalent to >>, but returns the result of the _first_ argument
< 1305405466 346688 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh right, so wait why does >> even work there
< 1305405476 977960 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well >> works if you don't need the result
< 1305405501 138296 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the result is the same as the parsing state or different?
< 1305405523 422504 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the return value
< 1305405555 51419 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so that isn't the same as the stuff going out of the parse call I guess
< 1305405555 771293 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is different from the parsing state, as usual for monads
< 1305405580 2406 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1305405587 89484 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um it's what you get inside the Right if the parse succeeds
< 1305405614 488587 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1305405813 582640 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: if you use Malbolge, no one will yell.  although they might scream in agony.
< 1305405860 109777 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, Falcon
< 1305405915 331147 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, anyway, pretty much any other non-joke esolang would work
< 1305405999 462637 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, if you don't like falcon you can try php or C++
< 1305406041 463233 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, or do one which elliott doesn't understand
< 1305406046 853836 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, that will alaways work
< 1305406068 298137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language don't i understand
< 1305406074 743946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you tell me
< 1305406078 399571 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, agda iirc?
< 1305406090 768540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can read agda, just not the stdlib :D
< 1305406094 557413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah
< 1305406100 106015 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, English.
< 1305406100 588899 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hello I was scrolled up 63 hours
< 1305406105 833319 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, name one that you find completely incomprehensible then
< 1305406111 17453 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya, heh?
< 1305406115 94633 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1305406121 603371 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders roman numeral look and say

< 1305406126 562857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya, you have some serious log reading to do
< 1305406139 516425 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I barely pay attention to this channel
< 1305406139 720159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't know of one, apart from tons of esolangs and those probably for mostly syntactic reasons
< 1305406149 913425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, intercal?
< 1305406151 355468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :J code takes me a while to decipher, K I'm not very good at reading at all
< 1305406154 687561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL I'm hopeless at
< 1305406157 858219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, INTERCAL code I can't read
< 1305406165 686550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL isn't too bad
< 1305406171 912139 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, there you go. INTERCAL, malbolge or APL
< 1305406172 10025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's been deliberately obfuscated
< 1305406173 75075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I can't read it.
< 1305406189 744686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(most people would be shocked to learn that there's a difference between clean and obfuscated INTERCAL, but there is)
< 1305406199 57877 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1305406203 529656 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a K language?
< 1305406215 807405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, some array one
< 1305406218 761440 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like J
< 1305406227 118610 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any letter of the alphabet that aren't names of languages?
< 1305406239 465683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :U is a pretty ugly letter
< 1305406240 499936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, which alphabet
< 1305406242 624439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it isn't a language
< 1305406258 310666 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I don't think ÅÄÖØÆ are names of languages
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< 1305406306 647981 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an Å language
< 1305406308 898615 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, he means the real alphabet, not that watered-down Scandinavian crap.
< 1305406319 943459 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, nice
< 1305406324 445224 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what sort of language
< 1305406335 194574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :BCDJKÅ, what else is used?
< 1305406351 18126 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh R
< 1305406355 748973 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.w3.org/Conferences/WWW4/Papers/100/
< 1305406365 832230 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :BCDJKRÅ <-- what else
< 1305406373 911445 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A
< 1305406379 1933 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1305406386 471171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, which one is A then?
< 1305406392 147970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Why do you even know this.
< 1305406395 89674 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno, IIRC there were a few.
< 1305406396 940272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABCDJKRÅ
< 1305406397 22246 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305406408 747418 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z was a specification language wasn't it
< 1305406412 655329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, Dijkstra
< 1305406425 854700 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :E
< 1305406442 52675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, when is http://www.w3.org/Conferences/WWW4/Papers/100/, I can find no date
< 1305406446 992399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess 1997 or earlier
< 1305406450 651839 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFGLMST off the top of my head
< 1305406454 390635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BCDEJKMQRSTZ
< 1305406456 334812 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I googled it
< 1305406456 552635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the ones I know.
< 1305406469 953515 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah
< 1305406472 477295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :B is C predecessor, C is C, D is D, E is erights, J is APLalike, K is APLalike, M is MUMPS,
< 1305406475 800112 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never heard of KMQSTZ
< 1305406476 733932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q is term rewriting predecessor to Pure,
< 1305406478 270748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :R is statistics,
< 1305406481 691423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :S is statistics language R is based on,
< 1305406483 589576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :T is Scheme dialect,
< 1305406487 73008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z is Dijkstra speclang
< 1305406508 668005 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of MUMPS
< 1305406515 570249 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as M though
< 1305406525 272101 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we have BCDEJKMQRSTZÅ, what about A that Phantom__Hoover mentioned?
< 1305406537 428156 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an M by Microsoft that isn't MUMPS
< 1305406549 941058 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :V is an esolang
< 1305406567 666286 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A?)BCDEJKMQRSTVZÅ
< 1305406578 14260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, BCDEJKMQRSTVZ so far
< 1305406579 441226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which leaves...
< 1305406594 223526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ" \\ "BCDEJKMQRSTVZ"
< 1305406594 912378 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "AFGHILNOPUWXY"
< 1305406596 385413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, mentioned an A
< 1305406603 914523 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ^
< 1305406605 297713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an F-sharp but no F that I know of
< 1305406611 998114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, but he has no substantiated his claim.
< 1305406614 496160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's A++ but I know of no A.
< 1305406615 144708 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :F is a Fortran dialect, G and L are something I can't remember but I'm pretty sure they exist
< 1305406616 976681 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1305406628 175755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So BCDEFJKMQRSTVZ
< 1305406633 356296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of a G too, but I'll be conservative about this
< 1305406662 154266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think I heard of a P somewhere, can't remember any details
< 1305406677 622078 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is P'' of course, but that is different
< 1305406705 113035 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why do you keep leaving out the Å? :(
< 1305406713 663344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Å in't part of the alphabet.
< 1305406715 763193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't.
< 1305406717 955272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is!
< 1305406721 603944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not including languages named pi either.
< 1305406725 827207 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1305406745 919763 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott,  better way to phrase it: by unicode codepoint
< 1305406834 133121 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305406835 404047 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, A programming language?
< 1305406848 491157 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :dur
< 1305406880 437185 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305406884 478714 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously there's one programming language called A.
< 1305406931 463808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language's name is A Programming Language, or APL.
< 1305406933 26652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not A.
< 1305406954 409016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, different A perhaps
< 1305406962 83785 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab
< 1305406980 157933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, I'm fairly sure cheater79 is too much of an idiot not to take the obvious, wrong answer.
< 1305406996 88795 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no u.
< 1305407011 582344 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, huh? Oh I have him on ignore
< 1305407016 38787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I thought you did
< 1305407059 579501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I can assure you that ignoring him is well worth the work
< 1305407066 256833 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PART #esoteric :"I found 1 in /dev/zero"
< 1305407071 684455 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305407114 39926 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh damn
< 1305407150 603135 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305407158 325856 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:03:31:  elliott, huh? Oh I have him on ignore
< 1305407160 313954 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:03:36:  elliott, I thought you did
< 1305407162 314867 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:04:19:  elliott, I can assure you that ignoring him is well worth the work
< 1305407162 748674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1305407164 311382 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :new installation.
< 1305407188 401390 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been trying out the "not ignoring cheater" thing in the hopes that since I'm one of like only three people who don't have him on ignore maybe it'll be fun
< 1305407191 207316 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lie
< 1305407197 154844 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually just too lazy to get an exclamation mark, asterisk and at sign
< 1305407461 240488 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, XD
< 1305407482 97783 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, and too lazy to copy it from the /whois output
< 1305407505 155415 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, oh and too lazy to get a fixed laptop too?
< 1305407519 497389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, how long does your warranty last
< 1305407542 920493 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a year i guess
< 1305407565 869988 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1305407568 862439 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, not much
< 1305407613 311348 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, the office chair I'm sitting on atm comes with a 10 year warranty (reduced to 8 years if used in a 24/7 environment)
< 1305407614 176233 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1305407621 190429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, not electronics but still
< 1305408136 746490 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
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< 1305408317 347852 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1305408446 284852 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out something about C program. If you use ? : a lot then you don't need as much parentheses but it makes it more difficult to understand.
< 1305408539 921482 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  I figured out something about C program. If you use ? : a lot then you don't need as much parentheses but it makes it more difficult to understand.
< 1305408543 290145 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​418)  I figured out something about C program. If you use ? : a lot then you don't need as much parentheses but it makes it more difficult to understand.
< 1305408571 557815 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION confirms that roman numeral look and say has no useful atoms in the usual l.a.s. sense

< 1305408623 370572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't that make it more interesting? atoms tend to block TCness
< 1305408671 45090 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, i'm pretty sure it just needs a little tweaking
< 1305408688 95123 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a bit more interesting of course, which is why i checked it
< 1305408747 376815 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, II, III, IV, VI, VI, VI, ...
< 1305408749 787679 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: very boring indeed
< 1305408757 89888 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you don't "normalise" them...
< 1305408765 504148 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1305408783 450674 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1305408784 555888 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, II, III, IIII = IV, IIIV = VI
< 1305408787 426414 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IVII = VI
< 1305408789 17243 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IVII = VI
< 1305408789 498307 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc.
< 1305408790 340168 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no?
< 1305408794 489840 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well of course i don't
< 1305408800 874416 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]No?
< 1305408836 499484 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, II, III, IIII, IVI, IIIVII, IIIIIVIII, VIIVIIII
< 1305408841 370995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I, II, III, IIII, IVI, IIIVII, IIIIIVIII, VIIVIIII
< 1305408841 618231 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, II, III, IIII, IVI, IIIVII, IIIIIVIII, IVIIVIIII
< 1305408847 673160 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1305408850 233905 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what mistake did i make
< 1305408852 454503 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1305408853 375140 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :miscounted
< 1305408862 583117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh that we all went to the same length, and  finished at much the same time
< 1305408868 145461 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, II, III, IIII, IVI, IIIVII, IIIIIVIII, VIIVIIII, IVIIIIVIVI
< 1305408878 148683 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Phantom_Hoover
< 1305408882 538295 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, II, III, IIII, IVI, IIIVII, IIIIIVIII, VIIVIIII, IVIIIIVIVI, IIIVIVIIVIIIVII
< 1305408893 637283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it always just I and V?
< 1305408894 369214 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it ever use non-I, non-V letters, I wonder
< 1305408897 105119 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :D
< 1305408897 204896 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have no atom boundaries because every sequence fluctuates between starting with I and V
< 1305408902 506709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably that's going to be quite easy to prove
< 1305408904 214481 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is it always just I and V?
< 1305408904 445436 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : does it ever use non-I, non-V letters, I wonder
< 1305408919 830095 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, you can have no more than 7 in a block
< 1305408945 668231 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which follows because the _numerals_ never have more than 3 consecutive
< 1305408970 969871 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in fact you can only have 6 I's and 2 V's after a while
< 1305409011 849293 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at most)
< 1305409021 311916 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you used V as a separator of digit/count? :-D
< 1305409029 960973 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, IVI, IVIIVIIVI
< 1305409053 434078 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, IVI, IVIIVIIVI, IVIIVVIIVIIVIIIVIIVIIVI
< 1305409062 863170 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i smell a pattern
< 1305409072 747454 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1305409072 975367 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you used I as the separator ;D
< 1305409088 992168 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, III, IIIII, VII
< 1305409096 301318 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIVIIIV
< 1305409107 66708 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can use any sequence of strings as the numerals to get an analoguous sequence
< 1305409125 918540 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1305409126 823803 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's
< 1305409136 238847 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :II I I, I I V, III I I, I I V
< 1305409145 439177 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIIIIIVIIIIIIIV
< 1305409151 751670 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes
< 1305409156 160284 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know numbers that big
< 1305409171 200937 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope TOPIC #esoteric :The first rule of thumb is that you do not talk about thumb. | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D
< 1305409211 983244 :tswettbov!~tswettbov@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305409215 137090 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as the string length is o(n), i believe you will always end up with a bounded group length in the limit
< 1305409237 216105 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the thing about tswettbov is that it only crashes when you send a message containing the string "okoko".
< 1305409256 103587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: when /I/ send that?
< 1305409264 996901 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it isn't very good at that, i take?
< 1305409269 482345 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*even
< 1305409280 885505 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, Gregor.
< 1305409293 252663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how bizarre
< 1305409294 842375 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:54:03:  !ul (/me is trying to send a message starting "/me")S
< 1305409295 155290 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:54:06:  /me is trying to send a message starting "/me"
< 1305409295 237126 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:54:17:  doesn't work with EgoBot, it seems
< 1305409297 400286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that an intentional feature?
< 1305409306 623711 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm actually kidding.
< 1305409316 807736 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, this message, which contains "okoko", should cause it to crash.
< 1305409341 897896 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure enough, it just crashed.
< 1305409425 106298 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:29:29:  but it's hard to see how any language could understand nested " as quotes
< 1305409429 578993 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that with whitespace :)
< 1305409434 915004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1305409447 579746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one of my languages was actually planning to do that for a while
< 1305409451 511434 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"define "factorial n" "if "= n [one]" [one] "[asterisk] n "factorial "- n [one]""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
< 1305409452 490201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I decided INTERCAL-style quotes would work better
< 1305409460 158719 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: note that your I or V separator variations are just effectively appending those to the numerals before treating them as such a sequence
< 1305409463 75175 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nicer with | than ")
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< 1305409469 530723 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm maybe
< 1305409478 567070 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i see
< 1305409505 107136 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:39:58:  and STATA (a nasty non-esoteric language) uses `" "'
< 1305409505 226002 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :STATA?
< 1305409523 226424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ouch
< 1305409525 151184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remind me of that
< 1305409533 825525 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :already have
< 1305409543 531841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's apparently really popular among statistical economists
< 1305409551 939693 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU EVIL MAN
< 1305409673 784757 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name is a portmanteau of "statistics" and "caca"
< 1305409736 800540 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an excellent portmanteauvre
< 1305409768 678650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :STATA's actual official method for assigning to array elements translates roughly to Perl as eval "\$array$i = $n"
< 1305409866 37620 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
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< 1305409892 429873 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'd like a language based on that somehow
< 1305409900 433024 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the quining string languages are similar
< 1305409911 64283 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but something that involves implementing control structures by pasting together code and quoting it somehow
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< 1305410611 941235 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :This error I'm encountering doesn't seem to occur in any part of the code.
< 1305410639 384926 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only occurs in the entirety of the code.  Test any part alone, and it goes away.
< 1305410653 114672 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus disproving reductionism.
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< 1305410713 337153 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to learn to put everything tigether in the way that you can see more easily what is wrong, look for a few more minutes, and then notice that there is one number stupid, and correct it.
< 1305410713 431934 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, what language?
< 1305410740 947187 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Smalltalk.
< 1305410753 133307 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: My diagnosis is that there is one number stupid.
< 1305410756 395400 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct it.
< 1305410772 645347 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, there are definitely at least two numbers.  And my name isn't Stupid.
< 1305410800 558612 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: That is not a very good diagnosis without looking at the entire program to see exactly what the program is, how it works, and what is wrong. And then you can say that there is one number stupid (if that is the case).
< 1305410826 763813 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well SHEESH, I'm not a doctor.
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< 1305410913 214841 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :So.  If I send a message causing an error, then I get that error, as expected.  If I send a message that sends a message causing an error, then I get an infinite error loop where no error discloses its origin.
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< 1305410976 554537 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet you guys appreciate these bots.
< 1305410992 599641 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally.
< 1305411006 608333 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of the Lesser Key of Solomon?
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< 1305411025 331746 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "okoko" will kill them all.
< 1305411036 420849 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not.
< 1305411076 921184 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's special about "okoko"?
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< 1305411096 768634 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko
< 1305411096 964754 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the string "okoko" is hardcoded into the source code as the string that causes the bot to quit.
< 1305411126 363573 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it fails to quit, opting to crash instead?
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< 1305411170 514518 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: pretty much.
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< 1305411313 648397 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sends a CTCP ACTION.

< 1305411364 281328 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION Phantom_Hoover 

< 1305411372 802569 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's what ACTION does.
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< 1305411607 7303 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have shown quite conclusively that this one piece of code causes an effect before it is run.
< 1305411608 703128 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is not entirely convinced this is a reasonable debugging method

< 1305411641 653480 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see, I have this clause that throws an exception, then runs a piece of code.
< 1305411664 2721 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that piece of code is empty, I see the exception thrown.  If that piece of code is something that throws an exception, I do not see the original exception thrown.
< 1305411674 575949 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though, since an exception was thrown, that piece of code should never have been executed.
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< 1305411695 26433 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always adding commands to send output, and breakpoint, and stuff, can help, too.
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< 1305411743 122652 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: Pharo sucks.  :P
< 1305411786 561551 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:20:36:  Java has a lot of annoying quirks
< 1305411787 464887 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:20:45:  such as having to use a file-system for quoting
< 1305411787 808759 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at
< 1305411789 71294 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
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< 1305411803 546341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I'm not sure what I meant by that
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< 1305412247 337235 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
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< 1305413490 578720 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night →
< 1305413557 442037 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I am going to record changes in my character sheet. Please wait forever.
< 1305413580 44604 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ঙ香
< 1305413582 790371 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :	
< 1305413584 411278 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :™
< 1305413587 390803 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :	
< 1305413589 708717 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :邙
< 1305413669 410710 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:36:00: -!- ihope has joined #esoteric.
< 1305413669 641808 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:36:17:  HAI IM GREGORR I LIVE IN OREGON AND I WORK FOR INTEL >_O
< 1305413677 275157 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: confirm/deny.
< 1305413711 940224 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should I know?  I don't know who that is.
< 1305413720 475687 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, apparently.
< 1305413741 929582 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY GOOGLE TSWETT IS IHOPE
< 1305413744 8300 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND
< 1305413744 281131 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO
< 1305413744 963413 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GREGOR
< 1305413767 280069 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most probably, that was neither of us.
< 1305413772 937 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I suspect it was elliott_.
< 1305413782 808319 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was actually aloril.
< 1305413782 904159 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I agree with your suspicion.
< 1305413784 210108 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And CakeProphet.
< 1305413786 710305 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Working in tandem.
< 1305413795 851166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1305413802 420623 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That actually predates me coming in here and doing anything but quitting, so I find it unlikely :P
< 1305413807 140126 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always knew aloril was scheming behind our backs.
< 1305413828 83205 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that ralc guy too.
< 1305413829 690299 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is now my next official Hate Figure.
< 1305413836 367650 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yiyus is just the manager.
< 1305413851 157490 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And siracusa... I'd stay away from him if I were you.
< 1305413852 105578 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, aloril definitely played some part in this.  You can never trust a guy whose name means, uh...
< 1305413859 11030 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A guy whose name means aloril.
< 1305413868 65307 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am nourished the".
< 1305413874 486866 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in Latinitalian.
< 1305413886 717664 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am nourished the too.
< 1305413902 223434 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language they speak, and have always spoken, in Rome.
< 1305413959 756888 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION Googles "aloril", notes fanfiction.net account.

< 1305413979 785732 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION takes instant and violent disliking to aloril.

< 1305414030 595620 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As Eliezer Yudkowsky once said, ":(".
< 1305414054 682385 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that thing that I said Eliezer Yudkowsky said?
< 1305414069 247681 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yes" I think?
< 1305414070 77805 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno.
< 1305414078 45403 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might have been "AAIIIIIEEEEEAAARRRRRGGGHHH".
< 1305414105 279688 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Look, sometimes you just have to do things just because they're awesome." --Eliezer Yudkowsky, from memory
< 1305414111 781254 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, aloril definitely played some part in this.  You can never trust a guy whose name means, uh...
< 1305414113 166033 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]you have
< 1305414132 527450 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preliminary evidence suggests possible violation of the Law Of Statistical Absurdity.
< 1305414152 636309 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally I found the wand of electric lightning now we can destroy any large object if it needs to be destroyed and is required to use a such a wand for that purpose.
< 1305414175 367541 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACF6ED.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Why would you stay away from me?
< 1305414186 493661 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :siracusa: You're in cahoots.
< 1305414190 228065 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With all of the lurkers.
< 1305414192 670157 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're the Lurker Gang.
< 1305414208 435953 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  Finally I found the wand of electric lightning now we can destroy any large object if it needs to be destroyed and is required to use a such a wand for that purpose.
< 1305414210 112631 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​419)  Finally I found the wand of electric lightning now we can destroy any large object if it needs to be destroyed and is required to use a such a wand for that purpose.
< 1305414226 753415 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACF6ED.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why is this bad?
< 1305414238 416694 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :siracusa: 'cuz you can't be trusted.
< 1305414243 773948 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop playing dumb.
< 1305414244 972022 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote :(
< 1305414246 429562 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305414260 70826 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote large
< 1305414261 483910 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​261)  LoTR actually compresses pretty well into a film; the large amount of description becomes unnecessary.  LotR would compress pretty well into a book; the large amount of description *is* unnecessary. \ 272)  oerjan: also actually A(4, 4) is larger than any other integer, i learned this the
< 1305414265 70133 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACF6ED.dip.t-dialin.net PART :#esoteric
< 1305414266 701156 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try again please! You did it wrong! Too bad!!!
< 1305414279 433020 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it work, thank you
< 1305414296 634679 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys, do you mind if I just run `quote a bunch of times?
< 1305414298 806364 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote integer
< 1305414300 407388 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​272)  oerjan: also actually A(4, 4) is larger than any other integer, i learned this the other day when i was reading about this algo, it had complexity O(n a^-1(n)) = O(n a^-1(4))
< 1305414343 269913 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote learned
< 1305414344 726777 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​127)  if you claim that the universe is more than 3D the burden of proof is on you to produce a klien bottle that doesn't self intersect    ^ I learned that trick from atheists \ 272)  oerjan: also actually A(4, 4) is larger than any other integer, i learned this the other day when i was reading
< 1305414358 104865 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote atheists
< 1305414359 735192 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​127)  if you claim that the universe is more than 3D the burden of proof is on you to produce a klien bottle that doesn't self intersect    ^ I learned that trick from atheists
< 1305414369 241244 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote soupdragon
< 1305414370 917187 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​127)  if you claim that the universe is more than 3D the burden of proof is on you to produce a klien bottle that doesn't self intersect    ^ I learned that trick from atheists
< 1305414375 247767 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1305414378 660626 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1305414381 410473 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I just scare away siracusa
< 1305414383 201113 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, really.
< 1305414384 423022 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm producing a lot of identical quotes.
< 1305414389 141590 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote burden
< 1305414390 888740 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​127)  if you claim that the universe is more than 3D the burden of proof is on you to produce a klien bottle that doesn't self intersect    ^ I learned that trick from atheists
< 1305414390 970661 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to make list of numbers by quotation by search words?
< 1305414398 226044 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: wat
< 1305414408 90160 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote large
< 1305414409 945636 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​261)  LoTR actually compresses pretty well into a film; the large amount of description becomes unnecessary.  LotR would compress pretty well into a book; the large amount of description *is* unnecessary. \ 272)  oerjan: also actually A(4, 4) is larger than any other integer, i learned this the
< 1305414414 774570 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote film
< 1305414416 125565 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​261)  LoTR actually compresses pretty well into a film; the large amount of description becomes unnecessary.  LotR would compress pretty well into a book; the large amount of description *is* unnecessary. \ 299)  The context is Gracenotes releasing an illegal copy of a film about monster cock dildos.
< 1305414419 727241 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, only the numbers instead of reading entire quotation texts. So that, if there is a lot, it all fits
< 1305414426 355525 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-8.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1305414428 879448 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote alot
< 1305414430 435278 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305414438 970756 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote film | sed 's/).*//'
< 1305414440 768763 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​261 \ 299
< 1305414443 953464 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote film | sed 's/).*//g'
< 1305414445 668226 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​261 \ 299
< 1305414448 379747 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, in case of "No output" it doesn't put the strange characters at first
< 1305414449 800756 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Like that.
< 1305414458 621076 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote the | sed 's/).*//g'
< 1305414460 279873 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​5 \ 10 \ 11 \ 16 \ 17 \ 21 \ 22 \ 23 \ 26 \ 30 \ 34 \ 35 \ 38 \ 41 \ 44 \ 46 \ 48 \ 49 \ 50 \ 53 \ 56 \ 57 \ 58 \ 60 \ 63 \ 65 \ 66 \ 68 \ 70 \ 72 \ 73 \ 75 \ 78 \ 79 \ 84 \ 86 \ 87 \ 88 \ 89 \ 91 \ 92 \ 104 \ 105 \ 106 \ 107 \ 109 \ 110 \ 111 \ 114 \ 116 \ 117 \ 118 \ 122 \ 124 \ 126 \ 127 \ 134 \ 135 \ 141 \ 144 \ 147 \ 148
< 1305414464 350692 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote film | sed 's/).*//g' | tr '\n' ','
< 1305414466 235515 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​261,299,
< 1305414466 371504 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 5
< 1305414467 856416 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​5)  GKennethR: he should be told that you should always ask someone before killing them.
< 1305414471 746204 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote film | sed 's/).*//gN'
< 1305414473 597624 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305414477 484675 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it should be made the script with that.
< 1305414477 605595 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote film | sed 'Ns/).*//g'
< 1305414479 384319 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305414490 106535 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it would be fairly pointless since you'd just want to check them all anyway.
< 1305414492 648177 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote that
< 1305414494 192506 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​4)  that's where I got it  rocket launch facility gift shop \ 5)  GKennethR: he should be told that you should always ask someone before killing them. \ 7)  what, you mean that wasn't your real name?  Gosh, I guess it is. I never realized that. \ 10)  So
< 1305414499 899808 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes that
< 1305414501 782344 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.14122
< 1305414511 700384 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still messes up URL detection.
< 1305414527 665996 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ivan
< 1305414529 417204 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​165)  Oh I get it you guys just use this space to do nothing ?
< 1305414538 423738 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ihope
< 1305414538 852674 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote o
< 1305414540 9413 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305414540 446499 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​1)  I used computational linguistics to kill her. \ 2)  EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" \ 3)  Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened...  More practice is in order. \ 4)  that's where
< 1305414543 560164 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote \bo\b
< 1305414545 151536 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​28) SUPLENTES EN UN UNIVERSO (MUSSOLINI CUANDO CONQUISTO EL MUNDO):  i tan solo puede concluir que es defectuoso, o el mundo esta absolutamente loco. Todos a la gloria Il Duce! \ 79)  i use dynamic indentation, i indent lines k times, if they are used O(n^k) times during a run of the program \ 120)  I
< 1305414555 790315 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes \bo\b
< 1305414557 436125 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.2446
< 1305414577 506658 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I need to make up program that whenever the channel receives anything with unicode characters that are not needed such as zero width space, left-to-right mark if all the text is already left-to-right, control code that is useless here, etc, to repeat it with all wrong stuff stripped.
< 1305414590 692390 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Aftran
< 1305414592 385300 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​1)  I used computational linguistics to kill her. \ 50)  It looks like my hairs are too fat.  Can you help me split them? \ 82)  Invalid! Kill! Kill!  I get that feeling too. \ 107)  Clearly we should be like Mumbai and get of vehicle dors.  Get of vehicle dors? 
< 1305414601 413516 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do we have so many Aftran quotes?
< 1305414607 78100 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do any of you know who Aftran is?
< 1305414609 64075 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of you. Or Gregor.
< 1305414610 256254 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do.
< 1305414611 708734 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1305414621 896949 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like ninety percent of the Sine quotes are unfunny, and that's after I obliterated most of them anyway :P
< 1305414627 905388 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I guess elliott and Gregor know who Aftran is.
< 1305414632 198089 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Sgeo.
< 1305414637 540689 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1305414639 862815 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And SIRACUSA, the spy.
< 1305414644 467132 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 107
< 1305414645 871399 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​107)  Clearly we should be like Mumbai and get of vehicle dors.  Get of vehicle dors?  I think Aftran had a French phrase there.  Les vehicles d'or
< 1305414647 454845 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who watches us even now, from logs.
< 1305414647 536734 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gasps.

< 1305414663 858417 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote door
< 1305414665 786854 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305414669 958474 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote dor
< 1305414671 482492 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​93)  My mascot is a tree of broccoli. \ 107)  Clearly we should be like Mumbai and get of vehicle dors.  Get of vehicle dors?  I think Aftran had a French phrase there.  Les vehicles d'or
< 1305414678 433952 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote `quote
< 1305414680 275360 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​407)  `quote django   ​352)  django is named after a person?   thought it would be a giraffe or something   thankfully only one \ 408)  `quote django   ​352)  django is named after a person?   thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 407)
< 1305414693 875540 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 407
< 1305414694 966457 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's not confusing in the slightest :)
< 1305414695 511573 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​407)  `quote django   ​352)  django is named after a person?   thought it would be a giraffe or something   thankfully only one
< 1305414705 209764 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see.
< 1305414706 341690 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 408
< 1305414707 411390 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 352
< 1305414708 30521 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​408)  `quote django   ​352)  django is named after a person?   thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 407)  `quote django   ​352)  django is named after a person?   thought it would be a giraffe or something   thankfully only one   thankfully only two
< 1305414708 937617 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​352)  django is named after a person?   thought it would be a giraffe or something
< 1305414714 219012 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes `quote
< 1305414715 995915 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.10194
< 1305414724 135202 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.10194
< 1305414732 142569 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, that stupid character is included.
< 1305414734 559371 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you for telling us what HackEgo said.
< 1305414748 847243 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: no, it said it with a Unicode character before.
< 1305414755 670578 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which breaks XChat URL detection, and copies with it so that Firefox won't load the page.
< 1305414757 540589 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I removed it.
< 1305414791 329102 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is one of problem that Gregor broke it with!!!
< 1305414801 893784 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you'd better remove it or zzo38 will get very angry.
< 1305414824 135069 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think so will someone else (maybe)
< 1305414885 682148 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :two quotes about quotes about django
< 1305414916 764660 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes even the quotes about quotes are being angry now, it seems like
< 1305414931 619338 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the worst part is that I appear in all three hackego quotes about django
< 1305414975 875591 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Angry how
< 1305414979 556128 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  two quotes about quotes about django   I guess the worst part is that I appear in all three hackego quotes about django
< 1305414981 222578 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​420)  two quotes about quotes about django   I guess the worst part is that I appear in all three hackego quotes about django
< 1305414994 407588 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Noticed it has wrong codes in it too
< 1305415009 308621 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they copied it again and then again copied to quotation and copied again.
< 1305415037 744333 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's that angry
< 1305415081 738007 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: another quote? you're not helping :/
< 1305415099 97536 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is angry because you can get angry by the wrong codes, sometimes it even copy/paste wrong, display wrong, break URL detection, and whatever else can go wrong with it, including other things.
< 1305415103 76127 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: >:D
< 1305415111 215464 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  `addquote  two quotes about quotes about django   I guess the worst part is that I appear in all three hackego quotes about django   elliott_: another quote? you're not helping :/
< 1305415113 118249 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​421)  `addquote  two quotes about quotes about django   I guess the worst part is that I appear in all three hackego quotes about django   elliott_: another quote? you're not helping :/
< 1305415118 454839 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305415120 264913 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​292)  actually, I think vorpal is the "retarded team member" to the left
< 1305415141 49240 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305415141 360902 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305415141 696737 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305415142 19811 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305415143 392774 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​417)  scripting language.  whole program analysis.  together at last
< 1305415144 451584 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305415144 823615 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​34)  I am not on the moon.
< 1305415145 445491 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​142)  [...] i'm a law student so i am loving my bread machine
< 1305415147 409351 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​256)  I have plans to make the computer and one day I will do it!! (I have access to barter some people might help with these things) It is many difference from other computer.
< 1305415149 357724 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​233)  For instance, Jesus' Y chromosome was clearly GOD'S.
< 1305415209 332097 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305415256 490216 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 
< 1305415257 917562 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305415263 835653 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't like you, zzo38.
< 1305415267 549784 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305415269 111419 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​100)  I can do everything a Turing machine can do, except love
< 1305415524 100671 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/hb81o/acid_blinding_sentence_postponed_by_iran_after/
< 1305415569 604389 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Words fail me.
< 1305415620 831456 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It should be an acceptable form of punishment, when your crime was the PREMEDITATED MAIMING AND TORTURE of another person. You shouldn't have your hand chopped off for stealing, but the at a minimum the person you stole from should be compensated to the level of what you stole from them, and then some, and it should be at your loss."
< 1305415640 477871 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you even mess up understanding reality that badly.
< 1305415658 345350 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :This isn't about reality; this is about ethics.
< 1305415659 264170 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :No?
< 1305415742 224518 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, yes, but she is comparing compensation upon theft to torture.
< 1305415758 285960 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is indisputably a false comparison.
< 1305415770 10112 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Torturing someone does not reverse the damage done to their victim.
< 1305415797 962996 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there is certainly an interpretation of this argument under which it is fallacious.
< 1305415821 21678 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you saying that there is another way to interpret it.
< 1305415832 641773 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The comparison of the two is pretty explicit.
< 1305415858 67692 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could simply be saying, "An eye for an eye is an acceptable punishment in all circumstances."
< 1305415887 152243 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, fair point.
< 1305415941 596477 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it when people say "what if this was YOUR ", thus missing entirely the point of a justice system.
< 1305416489 824576 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death
< 1305416687 46635 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305416890 737731 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Blood justice sounds great in theory, but not so much in application."
< 1305416900 356950 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, soooo close.
< 1305416905 102564 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no cigar.
< 1305417014 346716 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305417376 676319 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305417387 841131 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305417389 408076 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​18)  Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it.
< 1305417408 202712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305417463 965585 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305417513 954524 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1305417565 272171 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305417583 285476 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to keep quitting maybe the connection is something wrong
< 1305417586 594738 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`
< 1305417588 297649 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305417588 621242 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :``
< 1305417589 980272 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305417590 125059 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :..
< 1305417594 187898 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ://
< 1305417599 138503 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :??