< 1306022483 434755 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : 20:09:59: ehird____, well yes. But this would be an interesting new file sharing idea. Just share offset in pi < 1306022483 567825 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : 20:10:02: :P < 1306022483 649182 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : 20:10:10: compression too < 1306022483 649360 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Pictured: Vorpal doesn't understand information theory. < 1306022487 226854 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously a joke < 1306022512 560999 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pictured: Vorpal doesn't understand jokes. < 1306022594 795061 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, possibly < 1306022637 693466 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, anyway did you ever found the official reason < 1306022639 407006 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1306022641 318113 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :find* < 1306022762 107199 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Official reason for what? < 1306022967 675174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, for lack of rapture < 1306022995 245307 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm volcano eruption < 1306023011 978991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, where? < 1306023021 754194 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iceland < 1306023049 906518 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news: dog bites man. < 1306023053 158350 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no need to worry, this one has a completely pronouncable name < 1306023068 804984 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what is the name < 1306023132 595252 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grimsvotn. < 1306023132 930349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"including the main east-west road. " <-- this (from bbc) says something about the size of iceland < 1306023146 500813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1306023152 513452 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes easy to pronounce < 1306023158 382860 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*vötn < 1306023176 580098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah even easier < 1306023186 311931 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it's apparently under the Vatnajokull glacier, which is getting towards Ejafjallajokull levels. < 1306023203 596055 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, jökull* < 1306023213 253766 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yesyesyes. < 1306023213 606699 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eyjaf* < 1306023220 769191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that too < 1306023230 254626 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, OK, I was typing it quickly. < 1306023247 321876 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it makes a HUGE difference. Please transcribe it properly if you are not going to use the proper letters < 1306023277 724020 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, no, it doesn't make a HUGE difference. < 1306023282 989740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes it does < 1306023283 429397 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what I goddamn meant. < 1306023302 840032 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh if I hadn't it would have been an ENORMOUS difference < 1306023302 922101 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol Vorpal has alphabet insecurity < 1306023305 165745 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't that < 1306023308 331651 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just HUGE < 1306023311 932314 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, XD < 1306023315 915962 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, no, it's minuscule. < 1306023324 333468 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, not at all < 1306023333 519765 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a misspelling, not a fundamental change. < 1306023335 559227 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306023344 3753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, at least it is a large difference, possibly even LARGE < 1306023355 168893 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nobody gives a shit, stfu < 1306023381 639781 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it's the same as advice vs. advise. < 1306023417 815940 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is an even huger difference there: they are actually different words, but noöne actually *cares* if you confuse them because it's always clear from context. < 1306023647 649351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal, it's the same as advice vs. advise. < 1306023654 674752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that is larger indeed < 1306023676 108908 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, though it can be larger than that in Nordic languages < 1306023688 370133 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1306023712 804015 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :länstrafiken ~ county traffic (company that operate buses). lanstrafiken ~ lance traffic < 1306023715 234776 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ^ < 1306023736 230050 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't hold a candle to English. < 1306023742 448303 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh? < 1306023746 228311 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider tear vs. tear, or reading vs. Reading. < 1306023767 947156 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, in the first case you spelled both the same way... < 1306023771 137009 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the latter is a place name and UK place names are notorious for their unpronounceability. < 1306023777 487682 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yes, exactly. < 1306023786 842001 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One is pronounced "teer", the other "tehr". < 1306023802 428885 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely you knew that? < 1306023805 77613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, which is an issue, even a related one, but a slightly different one < 1306023811 376882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, right you meant that one < 1306023835 120 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you pronounce Reading? < 1306023846 942126 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Redding. < 1306023883 976204 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1306023885 868932 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other amusing pronunciations are Worcester and Berkely. < 1306023896 982074 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wooster and Barkly, respectively.) < 1306023918 403865 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1306023932 994451 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I always wondered about Worcester < 1306023934 996005 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Gloucester (Gloster). < 1306023994 171604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I presume these are due to changes in spelling / pronunciation over time? < 1306024023 466835 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. pikhq_ probably knows details since he's all about random linguistic stuff < 1306024086 128905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesah < 1306024088 55636 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah* < 1306024098 290950 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there's the transliterated Gaelic and Irish, like Siobhan (Sheevohn). < 1306024166 988231 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, where is that? Wales? < 1306024175 200842 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ireland. < 1306024177 396146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1306024184 49084 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I need to sleep, night < 1306024506 502620 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 TOPIC #esoteric :let's put this into perspective. you put up with the puppet prostate because you love of wizards. -oscar wilde | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1306024555 737318 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That livestream sure is confusing. < 1306024573 877958 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's wilde, always putting the finger on the relevant point < 1306024584 143127 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*his < 1306024598 788082 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :angelanicole: he has his reasons for thinking today it will happen but I still believe only GOD knows < 1306024626 746146 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesusIsCumming: VOTE FOR HOPE! VOTE FOR A RAPTURE OF FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY! GINGRICH 2012! < 1306024798 770256 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1306024839 855472 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"May 21 is not over all over the Earth. When the whole Earth gets to May 22, then we might see things differently." < 1306024987 717047 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1306025034 131614 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/Fqzmn.png < 1306025044 779366 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK Reddit, you have reached a new low. < 1306025052 422872 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know that you can link to comments, right? < 1306025115 881293 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :comments can be deleted < 1306025140 178720 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :While imgur is writ fast in stone for all eternity? < 1306025329 307377 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but the person who can delete the imgur picture is presumably the person who posted the link < 1306025350 558317 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while any single one of the commenters could be a jerk and delete their comment < 1306025350 930334 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306025398 383491 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION now wonders if there is a DeletesAllHisComments novelty account
< 1306025452 807030 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not under that name < 1306025470 638527 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :The world had ended, who is still alive? < 1306025492 662915 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, honestly, Rapture != end of the world. < 1306025494 710166 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking... < 1306025502 816312 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that too < 1306025523 358307 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to that recent prophecy, the end would be five months later iirc < 1306025537 15336 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I know. Its just when all the people go to heaven and the world ends a few months later or something like that < 1306025540 521054 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly ignored it < 1306025610 419728 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine OCD hell. it's indistinguishable from heaven for a normal person, but every little detail is _slightly_ wrong < 1306025613 738943 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: well there were some earthquakes and two hundred million christians evaporated < 1306025626 226112 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Insert joke-killing clarification about the nature of OCD here < 1306025654 97267 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: you just earned yourself a reservation there, kiddo < 1306025672 865836 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, it should be CDO. Sorted alphabetically. < 1306025729 434777 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: haha < 1306025729 690786 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it OCPD that is the light version < 1306025748 653214 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what does that stand for? < 1306025753 311934 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: P=personality < 1306025756 151362 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1306025762 583060 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think OCPD and OCD are unrelated disorders that are merely "similar" < 1306025800 132162 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall there was a quip about the difference < 1306025866 166349 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott_, it should be CDO. Sorted alphabetically. < 1306025894 414841 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes? < 1306025897 30669 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pictured here: Vorpal is only capable of copying and pasting done-to-death-jokes when he engages in any form of legitimate humour. < 1306025905 972396 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Pictured here: Vorpal is only capable of copying and pasting done-to-death-jokes when he engages in any form of legitimate humour. < 1306025908 71642 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pictured: A caption. < 1306025926 323774 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, wait a second. I thought of that one now. Though I guess someone else might have done it before < 1306025951 165751 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You... are actually bad enough at humour to reinvent that independently? < 1306025963 460765 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you a loaf of pre-sliced white bread. < 1306025981 881263 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, well, variable laughed above. So maybe it is you and Phantom_Hoover who are the issue here < 1306026010 57410 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously < 1306026035 649463 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I mean, you two are the only people I know who seem to react that way to my humour. < 1306026054 644571 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :some else in this channel to some lesser degree < 1306026059 871389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elsewhere, none < 1306026068 861845 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's their OCPD, surely < 1306026080 760839 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ... < 1306026091 130876 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs away cackling
< 1306026133 734486 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: have you considered that the only people who can stand you are the ones who have no sense of humour :) < 1306026154 991131 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i'm pretty sure that joke has been done before in this channel, while discussing the same subject < 1306026157 563248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, that is a possible hypothesis yes < 1306026174 327275 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, possibly. I don't read everything in here. < 1306026202 180184 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it is also possible that you have, but have forgotten it. makes it _so_ much easier to reinvent things, i assume < 1306026210 492431 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I think the CDO one was funny. But now it has been overanalysed. < 1306026214 911973 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a name for that phenomenon < 1306026221 390406 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i've forgotten it, so let's call it the Hird phenomenon < 1306026239 434600 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, OCD? yes < 1306026240 893224 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1306026267 513139 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :compulsif disordre obsessif < 1306026267 880300 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, what oerjan said. < 1306026365 174477 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, forgetting things? Amnesia? < 1306026387 952701 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, FFS < 1306026394 631048 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hearing something, forgetting it, then thinking it's your own invention < 1306026398 779754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1306026409 496514 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, no clue what that is < 1306026414 56751 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgetfulness forgetfulness syndrome < 1306026431 323976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, lets invent a word for it! < 1306026433 307863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then google it < 1306026443 850000 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but i've forgotten it, so let's call it the Hird phenomenon < 1306026452 395282 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1306026488 836285 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I was trying to joke about that we would hit the right name if we tried to invent it < 1306026513 248762 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :google corrects it to third phenomenon, it seems < 1306026518 432778 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1306026579 153703 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"From The Culture of Matter to the Matter of Culture" < 1306026612 769778 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the catter of multure < 1306026622 967881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how elliottish < 1306026699 207852 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's a feminist text by myra hird < 1306026715 27582 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and paywalled < 1306026729 172488 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dat ho is a bitch and a whore < 1306026731 184141 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry what < 1306026731 608486 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "From The Culture of Matter to the Matter of Culture" < 1306026737 61905 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading that book. < 1306026738 717634 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit long. < 1306026756 833308 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter_%28novel%29 < 1306026760 153734 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISCUSS < 1306026786 341723 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I FIND THE GROWTH OF THE SECONDARY PLOT AND DIVERSION FROM THE APPARENT PRIMARY ONE MASTERFUL < 1306026808 677437 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO: damn that nestworld was cool. < 1306026846 70604 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1306026915 280032 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid sleeping idiot. < 1306026917 621808 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait what. < 1306026953 622765 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY DOES ANYONE WANT TO PLAY W:A I'M BORED < 1306027147 974475 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1306027158 179029 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1306027233 721624 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OBVIOUSLY NOT < 1306027279 509549 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously oerjan plays wa < 1306027586 897678 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh god, someone wants me to make a Facebook wall-post download bot.. < 1306027591 602319 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1306027596 28252 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :say no? :P < 1306027603 913839 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..but they might pay me. :) < 1306027607 999339 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh download < 1306027611 281314 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you said like spambot :D < 1306027611 611256 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like... that just sounds awful. < 1306027636 123100 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a bunch of wall posts they want to download off of their Facebook page. I'm pretty sure that requires some Javascript execution, but I'm not certain. < 1306027662 254535 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :use one of the browser automation toolkits? < 1306027674 403750 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even, just a bookmarklet of some sort < 1306027683 304796 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that redirects to a data: URI of an HTML page with all the downloaded posts < 1306027688 147514 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy to click links w/ JS :) < 1306027696 22747 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from that it'd just be some jquery to select the elements < 1306027703 412414 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the path of least resistance, anyway < 1306027726 16952 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... jquery, or browser automation, or bookmarklet... got it. < 1306027745 292394 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to try rolling my own, but then I viewed page source for a Facebook page. The horror. < 1306027752 343344 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: jquery bookmarklet < 1306027755 129046 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a combined suggestion < 1306027758 464671 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.. < 1306027772 100657 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy to click a "more" link with jquery, easy to find all wall posts on the page with jquery < 1306027777 969225 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's just building an html result page and using a data: uri < 1306027785 405127 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all login etc. is handled for you by the user < 1306027796 868133 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: ah, yes using Javascript to traverse the DOM is probably the best solution, aside from an automation plugin of some kind. < 1306027840 773663 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excellent. Thank you for the suggestion. :) < 1306027863 163051 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you'll still need to click all the "more" links first though, since there's a limited number per page :) < 1306027871 349396 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf|offline < 1306027915 625712 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: didn't you say jquery could handle that though? < 1306027925 637896 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, jquery just makes the dom manipulation a bit less tedious < 1306027930 486415 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1306027939 12986 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and clicking a link and waiting for more elements to appear is certainly dom manipulation :) < 1306027944 19665 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so as long as I can find the right element then I can "click" on it. < 1306028025 268163 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: so this would just be a standalone script that just loads a DOM and then uses jquery with it? < 1306028038 584154 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: No, just make it a bookmarklet (javascript: URI) < 1306028043 98585 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to run on the page < 1306028043 315527 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaah < 1306028047 887309 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works. < 1306028058 6179 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...though, that will be a massive URI. :P < 1306028080 731445 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah; minify the javascript first :P < 1306028095 60124 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: The data: URI result pages will be massive too. < 1306028097 659927 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Firefox can cope with that. < 1306028101 334766 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they use IE, kill yourself. < 1306028107 987539 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1306028116 765952 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chrome should be fine too I imagine < 1306028120 486373 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1306028135 720467 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how does minification work exactly? < 1306028137 879255 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic? < 1306028148 495277 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just renames variables, does some minor code compression, things like that < 1306028154 528754 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay. < 1306028164 737998 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Removes whitespace :P < 1306028165 97987 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306028242 342190 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: okay, so what if they don't want a result page, but instead want all of the files in a directory? I could just save the result page right? < 1306028257 387957 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, is this for them to use directly, or do they just want the end result? < 1306028262 849596 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm assuming they're not going to know how that works, so I'll probably have to do it for them) < 1306028272 189157 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you could just Ctrl+S it and zip it up. < 1306028275 921394 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine they just want the end result. < 1306028279 90636 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no need for zipping, it'll be one file. < 1306028291 419290 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might want to include the Facebook CSS and have their profile image there to make it look more like the "real thing". < 1306028299 161974 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: stupid question, actually. I know what I'll do. < 1306028316 556477 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I take it you're not archiving comments and the like too? < 1306028319 35064 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be a pain < 1306028320 940119 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: nah I don't think they care, but that would be super fancy. < 1306028340 388695 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What'll you do :P < 1306028340 895365 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: no from my understanding it's just particular things they've linked or uploaded or... something. < 1306028349 21714 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :God knows. < 1306028358 542984 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who use Facebook are weird. :p < 1306028359 652058 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I'll need to talk to the person in question. < 1306028397 511541 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :God W:A is a good game. < 1306028409 323965 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they apparently want to make a book out of something.. so... maybe they have a bunch of "notes"? That would make things easier. < 1306028417 936394 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they sound weird. < 1306028421 223879 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIKE EVERYONE WHO USES FACEBOOK < 1306028438 504714 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: To be honest, you could even just click the more link a bunch of times manually and then Ctrl+S their Facebook page :-) < 1306028451 14580 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, then do some good old find. < 1306028466 934560 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but God, I'd have to click that at least 100 times. < 1306028545 450324 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god just place the fucking girder jesus < 1306028575 81880 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, talk to you later. < 1306028656 623255 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, CakeProphet. < 1306028903 877433 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1306030020 151791 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306030065 566638 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wanna play w:a < 1306030069 696538 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1306030216 197636 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1306030362 925790 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwerty < 1306030540 518144 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a qwerty morning to you too < 1306030602 671634 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo is SO UNSURE about playing Worms < 1306030653 105988 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :squirming around, is he? < 1306030752 833544 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:32:29: Apologies for the crudeness, but I just misread Deewiant's comment as "combinatorial explosion of testicles". That sounded painful. < 1306030798 533702 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'm playing with an idiot and he types in all-caps and plays terribly halp. < 1306030810 72834 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, and I'd be better/ < 1306030848 533592 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well you don't type in all-caps. < 1306030956 338537 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, can /any/ CPS core language be fully lazy? I think not, since you'd need all functions to start with "k ...", which, in CPS form, would only apply to functions that return a literal directly < 1306031046 606832 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dangit I accidentally /cleared < 1306031075 67073 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you accidentally /clear and why does it matter < 1306031130 444339 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you typo / then c then l then e then a then r then enter < 1306031213 190461 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: although a cps language does have several benefits as far as efficient machine code goes... :( < 1306031257 365751 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION knoweth not
< 1306031274 789032 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-down-to-last-hundred-grownups,20491/ < 1306031301 964953 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're just saying "knoweth not" to get me to shut up :D < 1306031316 745844 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_ knoweth too much < 1306031363 717091 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: y/n < 1306031368 766736 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1306031371 538896 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1306031376 490739 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better yet, / < 1306031388 359586 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :will you just answer :p < 1306031394 340419 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :m < 1306031402 278423 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with either y or n < 1306031415 313546 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ñ < 1306031424 602582 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it "either/or" in English is XOR? < 1306031433 561166 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's OR, isn't it < 1306031439 441487 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1306031442 188751 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ok but seriously y or n < 1306031461 434416 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1306031504 823267 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally :P < 1306031509 948820 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wormnet? < 1306031541 725211 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on < 1306031548 495894 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe I should use a snooper instead < 1306031552 635374 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of opening W:A < 1306031555 318769 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUT Y AUT N AUT NIHIL < 1306031558 41175 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: btw. Ben Laurie of Google has an excellent explanation of what I found to be wrong with BitCoin < 1306031558 154762 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh can' t host that way < 1306031581 254218 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You also can't play that way. < 1306031583 880228 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a while ago I mentioned disliking it but didn't have time to defend myself. BenL is doing a great job IMHO < 1306031594 429119 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'm not sure what compelled you to consider that. < 1306031598 65928 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306031627 610288 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I haven't done anything with BitCoin for quite a while; maybe I'll check it out later < 1306031659 712386 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I only mention it now because when I first brought it you you disliked the fact that I didn't defend my dislike < 1306031672 781446 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I found someone who happens to be doing the job for me ;-) < 1306031693 683763 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I've created a game < 1306031698 569185 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you want to host < 1306031698 714299 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So did i < 1306031710 798242 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I though we we're going to do hard tube trap < 1306031716 357815 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :were we ok < 1306031717 945779 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joinmejoinme < 1306031777 719247 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :'or, not both' is the shortest unambiguous XOR I can think of < 1306031784 686795 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306031786 496598 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 'exactly one of' < 1306031803 57885 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306032113 11491 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1306032266 381828 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306032288 96997 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306032478 765660 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 . < 1306032684 890839 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306032698 43801 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306032996 303620 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306033408 76505 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306033531 162848 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306033543 33886 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306034293 140682 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-188.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1306034293 222614 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-188.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1306034293 222742 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1306034322 296430 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306034477 938437 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1306034618 70861 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306034618 190011 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306034638 125560 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306034666 581354 :jix!jix@tomakin.h-ix.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1306036292 398838 :CakeProphet!~adam@h184-60-161-226.mdsnwi.tisp.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306036292 480703 :CakeProphet!~adam@h184-60-161-226.mdsnwi.tisp.static.tds.net QUIT :Changing host < 1306036292 480789 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1306036663 436430 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1306037020 277060 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306037051 138523 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306037111 695508 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Earth to elliott_ < 1306037144 872618 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306037150 490438 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what < 1306037168 178488 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306037284 409887 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306037476 671296 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1306037588 195143 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey i need some more curryrelated help ;D < 1306037594 992087 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixp :: (Double -> Double -> Double) -> Shiro () < 1306037595 150965 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixp f = binary (floor . (*10000) . f . (/10000) . fromIntegral) < 1306037597 943228 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/both/ values have to be divided < 1306037600 338503 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and f takes two arguments < 1306037601 530535 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooooo < 1306037680 502464 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know making things pointfree is much easier for me if i can start with a correct version which is _not_ pointfree < 1306037718 924387 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :than from a broken pointfree version < 1306037747 709203 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\a b -> floor (10000 * f ((fromIntegral a)/10000) (same shit for b))))))))) < 1306037802 447852 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1306037891 946414 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ((floor . (*10000)) .) . (?f `on` ((/10000) . fromIntegral)) < 1306037892 646572 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b a a1 a2. (RealFrac a, Integral b, ?f::a1 -> a1 -> a, Fractional a1, Integral a2) => a2 -> a2 -> b < 1306037947 117046 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks promising < 1306037993 372865 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ugly :( < 1306038007 406206 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well hm < 1306038017 670096 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0 `on`) < 1306038018 359173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator `Data.Function.on' [infixl 0] of a section < 1306038018 441281 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : must have lowe... < 1306038026 458613 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1306038043 71106 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ((floor . (*10000)) .) . ?f `on` ((/10000) . fromIntegral) < 1306038043 665835 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b a a1 a2. (RealFrac a, Integral b, ?f::a1 -> a1 -> a, Fractional a1, Integral a2) => a2 -> a2 -> b < 1306038050 915207 :AerobicRobot!~Aerobic@adsl-69-230-196-9.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306038089 130984 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that scares me :D < 1306038108 221251 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, removing the parentheses? < 1306038119 102361 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1306038243 245729 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1306038259 51460 :AerobicRobot!~Aerobic@adsl-69-230-196-9.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1306038349 975278 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yawn < 1306038436 932345 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1306038438 189277 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306038487 62851 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i guess that version is ok :P < 1306038512 216037 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, should we quit? < 1306038522 86992 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should sleep soon < 1306038543 740736 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm wait < 1306038547 862411 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i actualyl only need an unary version < 1306038572 253817 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :B (n -- arccos(b)) < 1306038574 113837 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spot the error :D < 1306038601 595537 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the -- ? < 1306038704 314849 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1306038710 725099 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a stack thing < 1306038711 983129 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not haskell < 1306038745 21594 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shiro: Negative exponent < 1306038745 236579 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1306038745 988435 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what's with this being cryptic lately :P < 1306038749 273809 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you catch "error"s < 1306038752 938874 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um im just lazy and tired < 1306038770 137771 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :using Control.Exception, i think < 1306038788 441384 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not IOExceptions, right? < 1306038792 198107 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1306038835 642586 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind are they ;D < 1306038848 925493 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i look like i've ever used them... < 1306038850 338568 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306038868 88326 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306038889 649710 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1306038956 965953 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: obviously < 1306039109 869938 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd imagine ErrorCall would be related < 1306039160 289667 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think i'll bug you about core forms instead, before i go to bed < 1306039280 778192 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey oerjan < 1306039282 389003 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: core forms < 1306039292 595173 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever that is < 1306039303 156336 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: like um core language things < 1306039305 100994 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1306039306 537061 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cps won't work < 1306039312 564527 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1306039314 114655 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless < 1306039393 890044 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(f x = g (ha x) (hb x)) --> f = \x|k. k (\|k. ha x (\hax. k ...........)) < 1306039394 828794 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dojghgd < 1306039396 199641 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that won't work < 1306039444 15442 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...is that some strange hybrid of lambda and ski calculus < 1306039536 622535 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, | was denoting a continuation argument < 1306039549 113363 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking that you could do CPS if you just returned /immediately/ with a thunk < 1306039557 18821 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that thunk would then do one CPS-step when called, and return another thunk, etc. < 1306039564 704658 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that actually just sounds stupid in retrospect. < 1306039685 658472 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan should i go to// bed < 1306039730 428100 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz what? < 1306039768 378356 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i feel like oerjan doesn't take these conversations seriously. < 1306039806 769168 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when tired < 1306039828 394693 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't you just woken up or something < 1306039829 744348 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean me < 1306039839 630368 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i'm about to sleep soon < 1306040196 341008 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1306040200 185853 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats kind of a weird idea, maybe i should too? < 1306040203 74605 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1306040205 252727 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound sstupid < 1306040216 101531 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan < 1306040220 816229 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy rapture < 1306040222 666029 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anniversary < 1306040226 460137 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :raptureversary < 1306040277 466352 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sappy capture < 1306040297 734931 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crapture < 1306040356 728799 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Saturday morning, Espinoza, 60, received a phone call from her father, Harold Camping, the 89-year-old Oakland preacher who has spent some $100 million — and countless hours on his radio and TV show — announcing May 21 as Judgment Day. "He just said, 'I'm a little bewildered that it didn't happen, but it's still May 21 [in the United States],'" Espinoza said, standing in the doorway of her Alameda home. "It's going to be May 21 from now until m < 1306040356 960452 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idnight." < 1306040359 790400 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, he actually believed it < 1306040397 827384 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?tell Vorpal http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-rapture-20110522,0,5118540.story < 1306040397 908688 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1306040471 146696 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what time is it over there in new zealand dude?? < 1306040474 640522 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arent you guys like upsdie down < 1306040522 795712 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :umop ap!sdn ueaw noh < 1306040549 369533 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hon waeu nds pa domu < 1306040552 108160 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that maori < 1306040572 108302 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aqhew < 1306040597 316145 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wehqa < 1306040607 564456 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- pooj < 1306040624 518300 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :joop yourself < 1306042524 431543 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMMIT < 1306042543 784215 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking at a Homestruck video on YouTube (stupid I know) < 1306042557 5997 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And just saw a major spoiler in the thumbnail of another video < 1306042618 15054 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Homestruck" lol < 1306043700 90223 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1306043757 763861 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1306044000 240924 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Took 500 mg Tylenol. < 1306044054 68631 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1306044560 794968 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for me that I write that, not you < 1306044961 699046 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Salvation War sounds fun < 1306045163 219780 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reviews on TV Tropes aren't that great < 1306046013 282025 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1306046195 316950 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1306048022 385245 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1306048056 818887 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1306048724 846292 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some apocalypse. < 1306048838 60482 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the apocaplyse isn't until october, remember? < 1306048855 750300 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, just the *rapture*. < 1306048871 718547 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And *arguably* there's still 4 hours 40 minutes left for it to happen. < 1306048887 674288 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(May 22, 2011 is 4 hours away in UTC-12) < 1306048909 562423 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no human habitations are in UTC-12) < 1306048924 759175 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I plan on being asleep for that < 1306048951 297044 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Rapture-but-not-May-21st believing friend is still here < 1306048983 195883 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What evidence does your friend have for the idea of the rapture? < 1306048993 172362 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone still believe in rapture yesterday < 1306048994 697807 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beyond citing the Bible, which is a load of bullshit. < 1306049014 952849 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Harold Camping still has a few more hours until he can give up on it. < 1306049040 107969 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: May 21 has yet to end in a handful of time zones. < 1306049054 629586 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harold Camping has yet to be heard from < 1306049055 564610 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapture happened and I'm just dreaming < 1306049163 472178 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crap < 1306049173 27442 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HC doesn't get any money from me listening to the station, does he? < 1306049221 697131 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you listening to the station < 1306049260 744414 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No, they run on donations. < 1306049272 536616 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So long as you don't hand them money, you're good. < 1306049288 107049 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, good < 1306049311 938653 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still want to unspoil myself from Homestuck < 1306049710 184001 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/May_22,_2011 :D < 1306050799 843879 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/hgsvd/the_creepiest_motherson_relationship_on_youtube/ I wanted to sleep. Now I doubt I will. Fuuuck. < 1306050899 715359 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-9-246.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306050911 6507 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll never sleep again < 1306051001 109729 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-46-98.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode: 39846 channels and nothing on < 1306051019 529668 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater897, they've all been taken in the Rapture. We're the only ones left. < 1306051105 191215 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-46-98.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :0great < 1306051118 54856 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-46-98.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to inhabit the prez suite at the local Hilton
< 1306051191 641579 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Provides evidence from archaeology, [...], and even the Bible itself!" -- on how to know the Bible is true < 1306051285 65726 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least they're honest about it: http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/epic-fail-photos-oddly-specific-keeping-pulling-that-wool.jpg < 1306051333 427483 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Heck, not even one of the most memorable and publicised events in the Old Testament has any evidence for it... < 1306051340 535940 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: There is literally no evidence of the Exodus. < 1306051377 559880 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To Christians, that probably doesn't seem like *that* huge of a deal (a bit upsetting, but not earth-shattering). < 1306051400 195340 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading something suggesting that ancestors of the Jews were oppressors in Egypt, and were pushed out? < 1306051413 258681 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, to Jews, Exodus not being real would be... u < 1306051414 610541 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To Jews, that's like saying "Yeah, sorry, there's no evidence of the Holocaust. Seriously, we checked." < 1306051448 561811 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1306051495 415176 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except for the veracity of the claim, of course. There's metric fucktons of evidence for the Holocaust.) < 1306051515 325604 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mom: "If there is no God, who parted the Red Sea?" < 1306051522 828603 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a long time ago) < 1306051528 520208 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1306051587 617832 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, since the Exodus didn't happen (near as we can tell, the Jewish people have pretty much been in Israel since they started leaving artifacts), clearly nobody did. < 1306051603 301797 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: Dead people do not become perfect in every way after they die. My step-mom keeps using "Your mom would have wanted you to XYZ" to try to get me to XYZ < 1306051626 159806 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure she's wrong about what my mom would have wanted, but even if not, how does that make a difference to whether I agree with XYZ or not? < 1306051631 405461 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's some damned poor reasoning. Not to mention in *very poor taste*. < 1306051668 629028 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1306051677 372184 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not exhume your mom's body and use it as a puppet? About as tasteless and macabre, IMO. < 1306051738 141965 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Oh, wait, some people have done similar things. Fuck. Fuck humanity so much. < 1306051767 394966 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is necrophilia close enough < 1306051782 376463 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of the Cadaver Synod, actually. < 1306051813 220580 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where a pope put his predecessor on trial. By exhuming the body. < 1306051825 981993 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm < 1306051879 395359 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_posthumous_executions ooh < 1306051910 650766 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck, Homo sapiens. You scary. < 1306051911 903677 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1306051955 511621 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, Homo sapiens can be awesome sometimes < 1306051979 308953 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We eradicated two diseases. < 1306051996 74266 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it has moments of genuine awesomeness and genuine horrificness. < 1306052190 63073 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you think you may have been exposed to smallpox, contact your health care provider immediately." < 1306052227 965353 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I pulled that out of context < 1306052236 714038 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you think you may have been exposed to smallpox, contact your health care provider immediately. Because smallpox has been wiped out this would be very unlikely, unless you have worked with the virus in a laboratory or there has been an act of bioterrorism." < 1306052300 588521 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't contact my health care provider. < 1306052307 596892 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd contact the CDC. < 1306052324 777104 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And probably the local police dispatch. < 1306052371 607406 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :invite everyone you want to die to your home for a big party < 1306052403 876525 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a small party < 1306052404 965707 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :both work < 1306052696 430479 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, this is a beautiful melody < 1306052699 746173 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no lyrics so far < 1306052707 726389 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As A Deer by Carol McClure < 1306052718 992523 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: Probably a Christian song.. I'd assume < 1306052719 781434 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1306052742 464830 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost certainly. An adaptation of the psalm, no doubt. < 1306052854 935869 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still no lyrics < 1306052876 984904 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't realize there was a psalm < 1306052958 825682 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psalm 42. < 1306053098 510029 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1306053437 341530 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION slaps the SAB person
< 1306053448 771365 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should really just write some code to make his life easier < 1306053456 720237 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do." < 1306053456 866266 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Conservapedia's Conservative Bible Project, Jesus never said these words. They are a liberal coruption of the text. "This quotation is a favorite of liberals but should not appear in a conservative Bible." 23:34 < 1306053460 461708 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/interp/by_book.html < 1306053464 780994 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's in the wrong book < 1306054015 758148 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1306054337 490775 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the skeptics annotated bible sometimes chalcs things up to be errors that aren't < 1306054357 202156 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chalks < 1306054361 615632 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306054388 608313 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-188.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1306054388 731972 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-188.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1306054388 732044 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1306054479 904225 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306054785 344994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1306054961 946658 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1306055208 746428 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1306055979 693794 :ajf|offline!~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf < 1306056281 739824 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajfafk < 1306056546 469773 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-46-98.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1306057496 586450 :olsner_!~salparot@90-224-62-130-no50.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1306057771 707111 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-188.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1306057771 825815 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-188.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1306057771 825878 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1306057967 928021 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1306058072 463451 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306059193 473705 :olsner_!~salparot@90-224-62-130-no50.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306060167 55832 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1306060189 631782 :Tritonio!~TrT@athedsl-23602.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1306060618 696493 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, feel free to slap me < 1306060637 65646 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION slaps Sgeo more on principle than any feelings of malice.
< 1306060637 147522 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 4 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1306061193 726623 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG the 2011 Lyttle Lytton results are out. < 1306061732 164858 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'“My heart medication!” slowly remembered Dwayne, but his lateness was a stark reality.' < 1306061745 596776 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mangled sentences are always good for a laugh. < 1306061809 703098 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Mongoose-to-cobra, two serpentine forms, he was my rival; are we fighting in these holes, or are we really making love?' < 1306061812 582680 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO KNOWS < 1306062159 340660 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The intruder attempted to break down the reinforced door with his axe, shouting phrases like “We will get our revenge!”, “Revenge!” and “Blood!”" — WP < 1306062209 771454 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1306062412 392184 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Her cheeks were rosy and so was my love — bursting with fragrance and softness." < 1306062419 940626 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metaphor slippage! < 1306062449 396160 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha < 1306062456 273664 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the purple prose award? < 1306062468 441685 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1306062498 781809 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bulwer-Lytton is the one that rewards overtly purple prose, and is as such horrendously verbose and dreary to read. < 1306062527 43246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Lyttle Lytton is restricted to 30 words, so the scope for purpleness is reduced vastly. < 1306062533 729197 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaag < 1306062593 537670 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the ones that rely on language just have really weird sentence structure. < 1306062611 484381 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There used to be a category for it, but I think he dropped it. < 1306062622 466326 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'“Shame on you,” he scorns at you in anger, “Shame!”' < 1306062624 388745 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scorns! < 1306062653 295253 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scorns at Sgeo "what did you do to merit me slapping you, BtW?"
< 1306062673 438726 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, also, that example was from an English textbook/ < 1306062682 467731 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accidentally glimpse at a major Homestuck spoiler < 1306062699 260553 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :From a textbook, not from a student? < 1306062708 972667 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1306062714 970315 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cited as a good example of imagery. < 1306064200 411168 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1306066487 189923 :ajfafk!~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf < 1306066805 79005 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 . < 1306066882 855621 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, where are you now at Homestuck. < 1306066887 236466 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, which spoiler. < 1306067365 444150 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12249363 < 1306067369 148857 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1306068176 670433 :f0reest!~f0reest@a217-29-183-243.pppoe.mark-itt.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306068180 355246 :f0reest!~f0reest@a217-29-183-243.pppoe.mark-itt.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1306069578 149982 :Tritonio_GR!~TrT@athedsl-23602.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1306069777 964975 :Tritonio!~TrT@athedsl-23602.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1306070804 937316 :Tritonio_GR!~TrT@athedsl-23602.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1306072825 36593 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1306072920 143554 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1306072973 318126 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god my cat seems to have heard some birds outside the window. < 1306072980 32835 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see the murder in his eyes. < 1306073047 314792 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's for me that I write that, not you < 1306073059 994668 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric: Sgeo's personal drug diary < 1306073413 888808 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/May_22,_2011 :D < 1306073426 891932 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly looks like someone took a little jab, there < 1306073750 4197 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306074297 775605 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Patashu, also, that example was from an English textbook/ < 1306074327 346768 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait are you performing a lyttle lytton analogue to poe's law/turing test here < 1306074748 609367 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : #esoteric: Sgeo's personal drug diary <-- I can't imagine Sgeo's father allowing him to use drugs ;P < 1306074748 711332 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1306074776 912033 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1306075557 178991 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the word "drug" in english includes legal pharmaceuticals < 1306075565 126533 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, tylenol < 1306075645 352276 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the kind that sgeo's father might very well allow, being afair a medical doctor < 1306075661 716410 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1306075732 418601 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1306076360 866619 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306076787 178876 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : wait are you performing a lyttle lytton analogue to poe's law/turing test here < 1306076804 800408 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the Found category is a long-established Lyttle Lytton tradition. < 1306077602 447496 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: the word "drug" in english includes legal pharmaceuticals <-- oh right < 1306077710 114084 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: aka "dödsknark" < 1306077895 520918 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Quit: Daemon escaped from pentagram < 1306078293 99281 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, what? < 1306078303 510671 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, not familiar with that expression < 1306078333 918137 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: alla sorters droger, knark och medicin är dödsknark < 1306078336 811903 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bara rent allmänt < 1306078342 810341 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, slang? < 1306078348 19396 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :japp < 1306078351 576087 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1306078376 459193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, jag umgås nog inte i sådana kretsar. :P < 1306079277 15696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306079775 802761 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1306080978 783654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1306080989 751205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1306080989 832683 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1306081017 849942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :two of those are from days ago lol < 1306081021 206654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a week even < 1306081205 768164 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306081711 787730 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1306082087 754775 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, weird < 1306082371 499393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, amusing spambot name (that just emailed me): globalfreedomreliableloanfirm < 1306082500 966519 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1306082563 268691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds legit < 1306082651 691334 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1306082725 780509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't particularly want a loan right now, legit or not < 1306083146 145174 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306083155 950145 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1306083272 504586 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306083648 513870 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306083701 926109 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1306083912 24762 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306084537 157292 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306085440 159778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So far GNU Parallel has been focused on < 1306085440 308031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :replacing a single for-loop. The Pakistan release introduces ways to < 1306085440 389033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace nested loops." < 1306085442 774380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO ADVANCED < 1306085764 585854 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU Parallel is actually fairly nice. < 1306086101 859812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, there are two competing adblocks for chrome < 1306086151 841175 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1306086188 499484 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, are they doing the ash cloud thing *again*? < 1306086188 581598 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use AdBlock Plus. < 1306086212 237154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But that's just a renamed AdThwart, and the plain AdBlock is more popular. < 1306086218 776142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, sure, brand name and all, but still. < 1306086258 306915 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306086280 166101 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither of them can block ads in flash videos, though. < 1306086295 135362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was recently made sort of possible. < 1306086317 103795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mainly I'm pissed off at interstitials and the ads /before/ videos (the ones that pop up are annoying but not nearly as much). < 1306086327 919925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the latter are a kind of interstitial too. < 1306086366 563298 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone remembers how you minimise boolean expressions for NOR gates? I can only remember how you do it for NAND gates, not NOR gates < 1306086427 139375 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : What, are they doing the ash cloud thing *again*? <-- yeah it was such a hit last time! < 1306086463 263586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Any actual arguments in favour of the Plus one? :-P < 1306086479 973482 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Eh, just use Firefox. :P < 1306086506 581371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I just stopped using Firefox yet again because it starts to freeze up terribly when you have hundreds of tabs with JS and sometimes Flash running in them. < 1306086511 198254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks but no thanks. < 1306086517 617832 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I need to fly tomorrow and back next Saturday. :/ (Tomorrow doesn't seem to be a problem yet, but who knows about Sat.) < 1306086518 875342 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleck. < 1306086532 259604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, to where? < 1306086566 325758 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :To Praguel < 1306086570 83536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Praguel. < 1306086570 422272 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/l/./ < 1306086577 733260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :QWERTY user detected :P < 1306086579 132156 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :El Praguel. < 1306086582 45877 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1306086585 993123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pwaggle. < 1306086586 282572 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyone remembers how you minimise boolean expressions for NOR gates? I can only remember how you do it for NAND gates, not NOR gates < 1306086588 74474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess no? < 1306086590 942022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyone remembers how you minimise boolean expressions for NOR gates? I can only remember how you do it for NAND gates, not NOR gates < 1306086592 544907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess no? < 1306086621 350599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I mean, no one replied, I'll try to find that textbook I have on this sort of thing < 1306086644 163846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, I mean, no one replied, I'll try to find that textbook I have on this sort of thing < 1306086661 117444 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's http://www.icassp2011.com/ in El Praguel next week.) < 1306086681 367869 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why are you echoing me? < 1306086686 282629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, why are you echoing me? < 1306086690 362098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :( anyone remembers how you minimise boolean expressions for NOR gates? I can only remember how you do it for NAND gates, not NOR gates) < 1306086691 39399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on < 1306086697 4016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ( anyone remembers how you minimise boolean expressions for NOR gates? I can only remember how you do it for NAND gates, not NOR gates) < 1306086703 623454 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is silly < 1306086710 911069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Are you going to finally admit to them that speech recognition is useless? < 1306086717 383433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you've wasted your life? < 1306086729 871696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THOUGHT SO < 1306086730 905591 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not quite. < 1306086733 417810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1306086763 101153 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders why Apple's blocks don't let you copy the block into arbitrary memory at all...
< 1306086783 821758 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The library manages the heap, with no option for you to hook into it. < 1306086795 731401 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making it impossible to do garbage-collected blocks. < 1306086864 649976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, you want it on PS-form, then double invert. oh well < 1306087015 259826 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know a good tool for simplification of boolean expressions? < 1306087036 890422 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess ghdl could perhaps be abused for it, if it does simplification < 1306087046 185229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram Alpha :-P < 1306087065 628456 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes but how do you get it to give you something on NOR-NOR form < 1306087082 273277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno :P < 1306087098 280244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/ref/BooleanConvert.html < 1306087104 171720 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :*looks* < 1306087105 735121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "X in Y form" invokes it in W|A, it seems. < 1306087123 956960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, there is also http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/ref/BooleanMinimize.html < 1306087129 408547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have mathematica so.. < 1306087138 529676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try BooleanMinimize then. < 1306087139 459743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1306087142 17612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it's a "hard" task. :p < 1306087142 868766 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, perfect! < 1306087154 177696 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hard task to do by hand? no indeed < 1306087191 116850 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but for 7 output signals and 4 input signals to each it is quite tedious. Especially if you want to try each in NOR-NOR and NAND-NAND to figure out which one is smallest < 1306087222 458448 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm planning out a 7-segment display in MC) < 1306087246 366836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, writing a program to do it. < 1306087252 284619 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1306087272 523844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I may need it anyway since I'd like to ignore all values above 9 for input. Easy to do when doing it by hand < 1306087313 143341 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I guess the third form of it does that < 1306087406 237258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah for BooleanFunction there is " * Elements of inputs and outputs can also include any number of , representing "don't cares"." < 1306087424 90696 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect < 1306087454 371973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean... a built-in Mathematica function does EXACTLY what you want? < 1306087458 651674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a new one. < 1306087477 307608 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, was that sarcasm? < 1306087482 90163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1306087495 315769 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but yes as far as I can tell from the docs it does exactly what I want < 1306087500 354190 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, was that sarcasm? < 1306087519 970279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: No. < 1306087525 841988 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but was that sarcasm? < 1306087528 869963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1306087542 731958 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but was that last line sarcasm? < 1306087545 896393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I N C E P T I O N < 1306087553 324765 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I was waiting for that. < 1306087557 72611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Lame. < 1306087562 845034 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, naturally. < 1306087563 47073 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what elliott said. < 1306087579 404436 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I N C E P T I O N <-- I don't get it. Is this some new meme? < 1306087583 479134 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seen it in a few places < 1306087584 949140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's quite an old meme < 1306087586 898134 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's an old meme. < 1306087588 717964 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh, okay < 1306087594 237990 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence lameness. < 1306087599 763109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why has it cropped up a lot recently then hm < 1306087602 232941 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just couldn't resist, though. < 1306087602 314218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was lame on about its third use, tbh. < 1306087603 823049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It hasn't. < 1306087607 632421 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wtf, how can you not know about that meme? < 1306087609 819542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or else you just started reading reddit or something. < 1306087616 559875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1306087620 859582 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is that meme about < 1306087624 336147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a film < 1306087629 978707 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see < 1306087648 551642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The morale of the film is that recursion blows idiots' minds.) < 1306087654 799116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]moral, I think. < 1306087692 869912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WormNet sucks. < 1306087704 653949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306088118 689241 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :The United States' bicycle path network is the patchiest thing in existence. < 1306088160 46642 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's patchier than the discrete topological space of all ordinal numbers in the von Neumann universe of an inaccessible cardinal. < 1306088183 907808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's patchier than Windows on the Tuesday after a critical exploit is revealed. < 1306088252 449563 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its sidewalks aren't much better. < 1306088306 663145 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, what's up with the lack of sidewalks along some roads? < 1306088350 626899 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Americans don't walk, so they don't bother designing to allow Americans to walk, so Americans don't walk. < 1306088375 377626 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, there are some places where people are simply unlikely to walk. < 1306088421 862077 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole of American urban design is pedestrian-unfriendly. < 1306088469 288782 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In large part because of the very, very low population density created by it. < 1306088496 665611 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the US is pretty sparse. < 1306088514 628856 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, says the Australian. < 1306088528 483013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1306088528 908933 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Australian? Where? < 1306088543 749836 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, guys, this running gag has gone on too long. < 1306088546 262348 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually Finnish. < 1306088559 656155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice try, Australian. < 1306088577 975734 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice try, you... NATIONALITY LIAR. < 1306088615 856498 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait is tswett not Australian. < 1306088621 470273 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought he was Australian. < 1306088624 884158 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm Finnish. < 1306088626 463823 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Let me put it this way: if I were to start driving east, I'd reach the next major city in 9 hours. < 1306088627 567481 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm totally Finnish. < 1306088642 547435 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: from where you are right now? < 1306088644 396171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm afraid that BooleanMinimize didn't do quite what I wanted however < 1306088645 721129 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1306088666 187471 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Driving *west*, it'd be all of 15 minutes. < 1306088673 999864 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you... in the United States right now? < 1306088677 861472 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hey, that's only about twice the time it takes for me to move a total distance of... < 1306088678 540839 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1306088684 283891 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Neat. < 1306088715 458690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Do you have running water over there in Australia? < 1306088721 230136 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK Google maps why don't you let me know distances as the crow flies. < 1306088736 688743 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I get my water from a well. < 1306088738 37978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: because crows have no sense of direction. < 1306088742 986692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Your internet, too? < 1306088753 85509 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really easy to access the groundwater, since it just falls out. < 1306088754 812627 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, 172 miles along the roads. < 1306088757 666119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just drop an Ethernet cable down the well and hook it up to your computer. < 1306088765 857438 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, our Internet comes from cables. < 1306088770 613891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1306088780 287326 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a bunch of cables in our basement or something. They make the Internet. < 1306088790 648630 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Wow, that would take me like 2 or 3 hours. < 1306088823 92840 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's an intermittent ferry stop. < 1306088828 768757 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I would not be able to leave the state. < 1306088876 214120 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like if you were to drive north from where I am now, you'd reach the next major city... never. < 1306088884 517395 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 hours would take me to the west coast and a bit along it. < 1306088893 292677 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless Sault Ste. Marie is a major city. < 1306088911 892913 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Driving north, I could get to the next major city in about an hour and a half... < 1306088934 556334 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And past that, I'd reach the north fucking pole before hitting a major city again. < 1306088949 277222 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at Sault Ste. Marie on a map and is amused.
< 1306088988 21367 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wouldn't even be able to hit a major city in Canada, as what's north of me there is Saskatchewan, the Northwest Territories, and Nunavut) < 1306088996 357871 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw BooleanFunction didn't quite what I expected, the BooleanFunction[vars] form took the list of values starting from 111... rather than from 000... < 1306089036 347578 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, how are you American. < 1306089040 919437 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're Australian dammit. < 1306089056 800084 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you could drive north from Denver and not hit a major city ever. < 1306089066 678176 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm definitely Finnish. < 1306089078 927804 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vittu. < 1306089080 211998 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? < 1306089081 211167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: If I became Australian would that make you more happy? < 1306089101 317139 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, g'day mate! < 1306089110 158732 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on how you define 'major', I could probably drive any direction other than west and never reach a major city. < 1306089112 500476 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 39° of driving. < 1306089120 346710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: obviously I mean indigenous. < 1306089125 474393 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm allowing some latitude for directions, actually. < 1306089137 470166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh < 1306089149 867477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OBVIOUSLY < 1306089160 227729 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I suppose I could go approx. northwest or northeast and hit Chicago or Seattle. < 1306089166 351134 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, does a population of 200,000 count as major for you? < 1306089195 157267 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, to me that would be rather large < 1306089196 58419 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :22 hours to Seattle, 16 to Chicago. < 1306089199 987240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cities are agents of flour and ice < 1306089215 847248 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → food
< 1306089243 504773 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That's not a terribly large city. < 1306089260 927404 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it could? < 1306089289 407142 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm in a city of 600,000 and I consider it small. < 1306089306 520789 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, oh my < 1306089314 953603 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, major city would be >100,000 to me < 1306089365 801974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what do you count as major then < 1306089405 277973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>=million? < 1306089406 808489 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I suppose 500,000+ could barely count as "major". Though the ones people actually think of are going to be at least 1,000,000+. < 1306089417 735400 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our largest city has a population of 588941, so... (Though seriously you can count the whole Helsinki/Espoo/Vantaa region as a one "place", which then barely manages to clear the million-people mark.) < 1306089433 62989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scandinavia is sparsely-populated? REALLY??????? < 1306089433 963053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMG < 1306089450 569560 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, if you go for 1,000,000+... Sweden has exactly one major city < 1306089454 343915 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I consider city size to be more a matter of metropolitan region size. < 1306089491 135417 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because city boundaries tend to be completely and utterly arbitrary and have nothing to do with what the urban area is) < 1306089512 382227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sounds right to me. < 1306089534 108979 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, the city of Denver has 600,000, but the metro area has 2.5 million. < 1306089570 669393 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, for the one million inhabitants city of Sweden (Stockholm) that would include suburbs. < 1306089581 49475 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the city of New York has 8.1 million, but the metro area has 18.8 million. < 1306089585 398603 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that is what you mean with metro area < 1306089589 607073 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah. < 1306089593 467760 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, in that case we have a single major city too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Helsinki < 1306089667 942649 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm lists three population figures: "City" 851155, "Urban" 1252020 and "Metro" 2063945. < 1306089672 566689 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :! (a \[Nor] b \[Nor] ! c \[Nor] d) < 1306089674 24737 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1306089682 371756 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a weird way to write it out when I copy it < 1306089688 81948 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "Metro" counts the suburbs surrounding it. < 1306089698 149308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's so it can reconstruct the original expression. < 1306089702 867986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Mathematica expressions aren't plain text.) < 1306089705 342175 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Urban" is just the single urban area. < 1306089720 857869 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"City" is the population within the legal notion of "the city of Stockholm". < 1306089725 480302 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. < 1306089725 816417 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, anyway, it is also a weird way to write the whole thing out. I would have written it as (a+b+c'+d)' or such < 1306089732 653896 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that !(a nor b nor !c nor d)? < 1306089739 928226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, I'm not sure < 1306089757 599074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait hm < 1306089762 533516 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The distinction is especially comical in the case of London. < 1306089763 701529 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: what else would it be? < 1306089770 523395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well it can't just use something that looks "nice" since it has to have global meaning. < 1306089774 161594 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, I think it must be (a'+b+c'+d)' < 1306089774 406997 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, weird. < 1306089774 911893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't ' a string in Mathematica? Maybe not. < 1306089777 782353 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :You replaced "\[Nor]" with "nor" and removed spaces. < 1306089786 547776 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well okay but apart from that < 1306089787 447195 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :11,500 people live in the City of London. 12 million live in the metro area. < 1306089807 610320 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm can't be < 1306089808 552425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OK, so you're claiming that + is a better operator for nor than... the nor symbol? < 1306089809 797684 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but well hm < 1306089818 635034 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, I thought Mathematica's syntax was "Command[Args,ARgs]" < 1306089820 304928 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Args* < 1306089828 226258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm just more used to it being written like that in digital logic < 1306089831 690834 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1306089843 723857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1306089844 331943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: It has binary operators too. < 1306089848 692337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ternary too. < 1306089849 841923 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :! a \[Nand] ! b \[Nand] c \[Nand] ! d < 1306089851 501263 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the same < 1306089861 464333 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that means < 1306089870 376923 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a'bcd)' < 1306089871 716657 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1306089871 861696 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damned City of London being only a square mile. < 1306089878 570399 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, just making sure that those are indeed meant as infix operators. < 1306089903 829357 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the nand one will be easier to realise in mc after all < 1306089908 492743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wait what < 1306089911 450988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :re: city of london < 1306089959 103991 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, eh? < 1306089964 290534 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought redstone torches were NOR gates. < 1306089978 379626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, inverters actually < 1306089980 670314 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nor one would be easier to build, right? < 1306089987 789373 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, try it with more than one input. < 1306090005 854855 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1306090011 458346 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :-#T < 1306090011 977262 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1306090017 499015 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where T is a torch attached to # < 1306090019 338304 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, a single nor is easier to build by far yes, but I can't have current going back up the input signals here. And I have 4 input signals < 1306090032 815132 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, hold on. < 1306090065 714068 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, I mean, an non-isolating OR gate is just redstone merging after all. If you want to isolate the inputs you need something more complex < 1306090074 106535 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :same sort of thing here < 1306090087 294177 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/File:LondonCity.svg < 1306090099 254625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's actually inside the city of london :D < 1306090109 56347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's the dense-as-fuck centre < 1306090111 507775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/London_from_the_air.jpg < 1306090112 41637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1306090140 413570 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The area across the Thames is not part of the City. < 1306090144 144064 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, http://pastebin.com/akw5i0Kn < 1306090145 933038 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you do that? < 1306090154 106286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What is, then? < 1306090168 114261 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's likely a more compact version too. < 1306090168 287099 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/File:City_of_London_map_01.svg < 1306090175 517959 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, possibly, but then I can't share a gate with another output < 1306090186 413952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: A picture would be nicer than a map. < 1306090186 495712 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially a few *blocks* of the ultra-dense center. < 1306090188 892455 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, gate sharing complicates things immensely < 1306090195 123893 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: That's not a terribly large city. < 1306090196 515311 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. < 1306090203 40355 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, I'd like a mc backend for some vhdl or verilog software :D < 1306090205 761267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: got anything like this in sweden? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/London_from_the_air.jpg < 1306090214 831987 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then yes, I could drive literally any direction but west and I'd reach the sea or a border before a major city. < 1306090217 585778 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I would try to code that. < 1306090228 254370 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, doitdoitdoit < 1306090228 782179 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think I know nearly enough theory of how that stuff works. < 1306090234 720172 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much less practice. < 1306090239 105878 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no not really, central Stockholm is more picturesque < 1306090241 433323 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1306090244 18129 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can drive any direction but toward-a-major-city and I'll reach the sea or a border before a major city. < 1306090245 500930 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing you could just brute-force. < 1306090245 582566 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf at spelling < 1306090258 401438 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, how long will THAT take? < 1306090261 79363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, heh < 1306090277 883473 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I can drive any direction but toward-a-major-city and I'll reach the sea or a border before a major city. <-- hah < 1306090284 392537 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, I'm thinking along the lines of reduce everything to NANDs and stick them all into MC. < 1306090294 687587 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again. < 1306090295 177587 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that might not be minimal < 1306090299 808285 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *Basically*, it's the area enclosed within the historical London Wall. < 1306090300 717812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "wtf at spelling"? < 1306090302 463961 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arn't redstone torches NOR gates natrually? < 1306090306 585492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nvm < 1306090307 934462 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, yes. < 1306090315 433888 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, redstone torches on a block. < 1306090321 405248 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't it be better to reduce to that? < 1306090329 871667 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, then there is gate sharing and what not < 1306090333 72524 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesyesyes OK. < 1306090333 154485 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, "depends" < 1306090350 523969 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, "brute force" does not exactly carry an air of minimalism. < 1306090375 580647 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, iirc real software for FPGAs take such a long time to syntesize because they try so many different combinations. I don't think it is brute force as such, but somewhat more intelligent. < 1306090375 690795 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Building the gates is the easy part if you ask me. < 1306090376 420554 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/34/Central_Helsinki_from_plane.jpg It's like ALMOST the same thing. < 1306090394 484134 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Routing it, however... < 1306090400 848302 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, there is that too < 1306090435 990251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Totally. < 1306090436 284309 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How bad would the height limit be for synthesizing stuff? < 1306090440 706902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow Helsinki is ugly in that picture. < 1306090446 18236 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, probably brute-forceable. < 1306090447 787304 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/File:26_-_New_York_-_Octobre_2008.jpg For comparison. < 1306090450 847080 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How could I catch constructions that I can't build without exceeding the height limit? < 1306090463 890720 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's skyscrapers out to the horizon. < 1306090468 917553 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the upper part of http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Stockholm_lead_image.jpg comes close < 1306090477 817883 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean. < 1306090483 830920 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, looks like one of the grotty ports in NI I am required to pass through. < 1306090489 838748 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt you'd want it covering the entire Y axis. < 1306090506 920269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, it really doesn't. < 1306090515 729516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Do you realise the scale of the buildings in the London picture? < 1306090516 651724 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, throw them away after doing a check? < 1306090520 440644 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's pretty ugly from the air always; maybe because it's so boringly flat. < 1306090531 250928 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Edinburgh_from_The_Salisbury_Crags._-_geograph.org.uk_-_84623.jpg < 1306090531 768495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, actually I'd like mine here to not be too huge < 1306090537 36746 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a castle, bitches. < 1306090542 751418 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The London picture is depicting ~1 square mile. < 1306090544 33790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, of course. I was joking < 1306090548 399595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Suuuuuuuuure. < 1306090553 26774 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Castle_Dunedin.JPG < 1306090554 771733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, just like fizzie was < 1306090563 399930 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I dunno. < 1306090566 180636 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less crappy picture of castle. < 1306090574 930020 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could start out with compiling expressions to redstone circults. < 1306090577 673550 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :circuits* < 1306090579 204574 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. < 1306090590 515655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Make it export one of them schematic things for that level editor. :p < 1306090591 662588 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :def f(a,b,c):a^b^c to redstone. < 1306090597 820901 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that was what I was thinking already. < 1306090600 283970 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. < 1306090603 722977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I NOTE HOW EXTREMELY ON TOPIC THIS IS FOR #esoteric-minecraft < 1306090604 978476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :COUGH < 1306090607 508375 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, quick, show us a picture of Hexham so we may laugh. < 1306090613 447139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: see wikipedia < 1306090616 586973 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I can do that, then I can think of how to do things more complicated than gates. < 1306090617 986655 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1306090620 587856 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, routing would indeed be interesting, given the length limits, weird behaviour of repeaters, and so on < 1306090630 45954 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306090630 719800 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah, clearly it centres on its abbey. < 1306090636 800393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Pretty much, yes. :p < 1306090640 310046 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric: #minecraft for the people freenode considers geeks < 1306090647 652437 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, might as well as add a piece of code that says "oh shit N/S quirk abort abort abort" < 1306090649 928280 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually. < 1306090651 806580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, hah < 1306090655 67929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: no, that's #esoteric-minecraft < 1306090660 153577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHICH IS WHAT THIS DISCUSSION SHOULD BE IN COUGH COUGH < 1306090660 872617 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-94-147-17.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306090662 877483 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-188.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1306090663 49327 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-188.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1306090663 131093 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1306090666 835983 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way they have the exact same picture twice in the article. < 1306090669 215920 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many schematic->world transfers rotate things? < 1306090670 959698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, you'll scare ZOMGMODULES with minecraft talk in here GET IN THE CHANNEL < 1306090683 45587 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, hm no idea < 1306090691 932059 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-94-147-17.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'm just here for elliott's opinion on something. DOn't mind me < 1306090703 757187 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they don't, I could have it avoid the N/S quirk when outputing MCRedstoneSim or something. < 1306090706 131804 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And use it otherwise. < 1306090708 88878 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, anyway, my primary interest here is making the logic for a 7-segment display, given BCD input < 1306090709 982446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: >:E < 1306090714 776320 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this looks like quite a chore < 1306090719 810183 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, heh. < 1306090740 298186 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone did this for openttd some time ago (a LED display counter, that is) < 1306090745 657067 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-94-147-17.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: please explain the appeal of ooc? <-- note clever use of question mark on non-question < 1306090752 629725 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, how? trains? < 1306090757 330163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: it has none < 1306090758 448904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: yw < 1306090761 202776 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and signals < 1306090763 389697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: but, write Deadfish in it. < 1306090772 164962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, I know fizzie did some sort of adder or something such in openttd < 1306090776 602516 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot what it was exactly < 1306090779 758193 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-94-147-17.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ZOMGTHX < 1306090804 375932 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, Vorpal: Some gates in openttd: http://zem.fi/ttd_logic/ < 1306090809 720551 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1306090830 387258 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-94-147-17.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1306090843 58762 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=37902 was the display < 1306090903 705986 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2009/01/18/optimization-of-logic-logic-gates-part-ii/ has some gates worked out < 1306091006 530191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, openttd doesn't allow underground networks does it? It just does simple straight tunnels? < 1306091064 490415 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it just does simple straight tunnels < 1306091067 912363 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2D map array) < 1306091075 16772 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1306091085 152505 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, that complicates the logic in openttd certainly < 1306091085 602023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have magical crossing tunnels though, I gather. < 1306091088 148429 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some sort of a "tunnels may magically cross" patch. < 1306091095 18337 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And/or option. < 1306091095 241077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that stock? < 1306091096 685589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or an option. < 1306091098 180983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1306091101 113425 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a cheat < 1306091102 949347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't play, this is log-memory.) < 1306091114 555204 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played in ages either. < 1306091119 215571 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, it does have magical crossing tunnels < 1306091123 232443 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1306091129 674307 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :simutrans is better when it comes to that. You can do complicated underground networks < 1306091150 181587 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea if it can do as advanced logic when it comes to signals Probably not < 1306091152 633456 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :simutrans kindof sucks on the networking < 1306091164 510042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, hm? You mean multiplayer? < 1306091172 864275 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that too, and the trains < 1306091179 541255 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, how does it suck? < 1306091189 110771 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhoo, I couldn't quite figure out logic gates that'd be based on just single-track signals, so I went with two-track logic. < 1306091257 894439 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1306091271 449246 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the multiplayer is mostly not there < 1306091295 829580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, right, I'm not really interested in multiplayer for simutrans. So that doesn't bother me < 1306091416 192344 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the trains...don't really know < 1306091485 593831 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trains in openttd seem much more advanced though < 1306091915 719624 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306092103 190382 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1306092133 740522 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306093874 262792 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1306093960 424058 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1306093973 981132 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no ancient lambdabot messages for me < 1306094088 99450 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there? < 1306094103 500087 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what did you do the diagram on http://zem.fi/ttd_logic/ with? < 1306094105 743180 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyone remembers how you minimise boolean expressions for NOR gates? I can only remember how you do it for NAND gates, not NOR gates < 1306094112 57627 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I found it < 1306094123 892749 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, reducing to PS-form then double inverting < 1306094125 771427 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. anyway it's obvious how to convert one method to the other < 1306094128 950069 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and shifting in) < 1306094140 877275 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they're dual operations) < 1306094156 622413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm does that give minimal expressions? < 1306094181 204272 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um is this converting _from_ or _to_ NOR gates? < 1306094194 61245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, to < 1306094214 317767 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, because NOR-NOR logic is awesome :P < 1306094216 478731 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, dualize your expression, minimize it with NAND gates, then switch all NAND to NOW < 1306094218 457529 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Termitaria#Nests < 1306094219 591637 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*NOR < 1306094230 411073 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not to be confused with Termit, Thermite or Turmite." < 1306094238 86009 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also not to be confused with Marmite. < 1306094257 903106 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Either Inkscape or Dia, I'd guess. < 1306094270 519748 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah, what is the monospaced stuff just above? < 1306094273 997163 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I mean, the syntax < 1306094282 911069 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/ttd_logic/ttd_4adder_dia.png -- based on the file name, I'd guess Dia. < 1306094293 275312 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Sum, C] = hadd(A, B) { < 1306094293 426576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sum = A xor B < 1306094293 507881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : C = A and B < 1306094293 508066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1306094294 949096 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1306094308 266652 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the syntax might be just some ad-hoc pseudoish notation for all I know. < 1306094311 406292 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1306094316 409111 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hey you wrote this :P < 1306094324 50377 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it was a while ago. :p < 1306094327 123694 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1306094345 206163 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :My guess is it's not any "real" notation. < 1306094367 760926 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I probably took the [a, b] = foo(...) notation for multiple outputs out of Matlab/Octave. < 1306094414 683170 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the S in the middle line for the full adder should be Sum; or alternatively the Sum on the "declaration" line should be S.) < 1306094448 32585 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1306094477 165271 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you didn't try to do carry lookahead? < 1306094501 919046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should look in to York Lava I wonder what it compiles to < 1306094564 225256 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Nno, the resulting map was already rather large after I had multiplied the generic two-input gate enough times to get a ripple-carry adder in place. < 1306094621 924762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdfq < 1306094775 470074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1306094782 870905 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : tswett: Do you have running water over there in Australia? <-- yeah the water keeps running to get away from the spiders < 1306094789 871706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyuk < 1306094868 313211 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kuyh < 1306095020 85685 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1306095024 405755 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :>|nhy < 1306095117 606990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :8^y < 1306095149 106617 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :roadkill smileys < 1306095169 165910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the sbahj smiley < 1306095195 366820 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shot by a huge jaguar? < 1306095247 1207 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :smashed by a hilarious jar? < 1306095306 598530 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :jarred by a smashing hilarity? < 1306095309 772950 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :severed by aardvark hillbilly jerks < 1306095327 6127 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: FAIL < 1306095335 415311 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: HI < 1306095336 582570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://www.mspaintadventures.com/sweetbroandhellajeff/ < 1306095338 585629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet bro and hella jeff < 1306095424 995194 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from today's comic, sweet bro does not seem overly intelligent < 1306095509 789591 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait it seems that's the first comic < 1306095563 214305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it i < 1306095565 89183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]is < 1306095576 633409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latest is http://www.mspaintadventures.com/sweetbroandhellajeff/?cid=031.jpg < 1306095600 837613 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i don't think i'm going to continue after no. 2, actually < 1306095650 176320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you're missing the masterpiece that isnumber three < 1306095653 696549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]that is number < 1306095664 161542 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@_@ < 1306095669 338866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also number four, and five < 1306095676 743659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and especially six < 1306095681 617955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and seven < 1306095762 517781 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that was 3 and 4. i don't think i'll ever be high enough to read the rest. < 1306095817 459593 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...i don't think i'm going to continue after no. 2, actually <-- indeed. < 1306095869 20556 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 and 4 are not as cross, although even more meaningless (if, i assume, you are not high) < 1306095883 498112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but six is the best :D < 1306095895 903769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm where's the prices and values one i think i'll go reread it < 1306095913 898694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait seven's the best < 1306095915 720471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all the best < 1306095925 964673 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think i shall put this down to the generation gap < 1306095939 263653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you _realise_ it's not sincere right :D < 1306095971 57058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...i don't think i'm going to continue after no. 2, actually <-- indeed. < 1306095973 352864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Whereas reading HS while not studying (yes studying) SBaHJ is less forgivable. SBaHJ is requisite supplementary reading. If HS was a class, I would automatically fail anybody who didn't get an A on their SBaHJ exam." < 1306095974 125830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--AH < 1306095976 707685 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has no idea whether "put this down to" is the right idiom
< 1306096014 242826 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what is not sincere? the comic or your praise of it? < 1306096026 658658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the comic, of course it's sincerely awesome < 1306096046 985868 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, generation gap it is. < 1306096094 917686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it _may_ make more sense in context ;D < 1306096170 223479 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am, in fact, only skimming SBaHJ, and only as they're mentioned in HS < 1306096222 445200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're only skimming HS to start with < 1306096228 365185 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : LIES < 1306096238 903857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Sgeo_ what's the dog's name < 1306096239 937450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it Bic < 1306096241 648176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's Bic < 1306096246 314132 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the blurb on http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/guide/BooleanComputation.html is hilarious < 1306096252 79454 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION slaps elliott
< 1306096262 141415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Sgeo_ name some trolls < 1306096263 774028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"access to the latest in industrial-strength Boolean computation" come on < 1306096298 945175 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sollux, Equiunus (not sure sp), Vraska (sp?), Gamzee < 1306096318 569051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1306096324 679641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Says the guy, like, almost done with Hivebent. < 1306096337 350401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to sit here and cradle my face gently in my palms. < 1306096344 32937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With my good old ink-based Bicsprite. < 1306096344 219112 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Act 5 Part 2 is past hivebend, right? < 1306096363 946514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're on Act Five Act Two and you can only remember two of the trolls' names. I am clapping here. < 1306096376 670397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the most sarcastic manner in which two hands have ever met at speed before. < 1306096380 109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not everyone is good at remembering names < 1306096415 463628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: come on, he confused Scratch with another member of the Felt, despite seeing every member of the Felt and Scratch. < 1306096420 524728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notably none of them have a cue ball for a head. < 1306096441 147913 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, who was Scratch now again < 1306096445 689592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1306096451 559349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you actually been reading. < 1306096454 956081 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes < 1306096465 293106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I just suck utterly at names < 1306096478 54296 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION messages Vorpal
< 1306096480 568233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just sittin' here, all cradlin' my face. < 1306096487 699513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: the point of a /msg is that other people don't see it. < 1306096506 716867 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the only reason I didn't want anyone to see it was to avoid spoiling future HS readers in here < 1306096528 14374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Vorpal has at all been keeping up with updates he knows who Scratch is. < 1306096547 24205 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION slaps Vorpal
< 1306096554 610838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I haven't been keeping up with updates no < 1306096560 454913 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, been far too busy < 1306096602 471216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there have only been 45 pages from the one you finished on because the rate has slowed to a crawl. < 1306096606 135723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And only two [S]s. < 1306096635 229547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is still more than most other comics I read < 1306096638 704400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which update daily < 1306096669 598419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It hasn't been updating anywhere near daily, and one HS panel is less than one normal comic.. < 1306096678 337962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1306096685 460045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit, there was a 9-day hiatus mere days ago. < 1306096700 582144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "hiatus"; Flash work session. < 1306096771 609708 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slowed to a crawl? < 1306096772 883526 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::// < 1306096828 909376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: in that it's not updating at five panels per day like normal. < 1306096853 402359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all about Bicsprite and his inky adventures in the Land of Paper and Lead. < 1306096862 78879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently, he is drawing a giraffe. < 1306097191 896242 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit of a tall order < 1306097357 57204 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes how the slow pace of irc is so much more conducive to puns than face to face conversation
< 1306097448 381934 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is this the true reason for your status as the Punmaster? < 1306097532 836156 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. i'm a bit of a joker face to face as well. < 1306097533 836236 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1306097536 369014 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi! < 1306097542 493365 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Timwi < 1306097591 951840 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of curiosity, what kinds of things do you discuss on this channel normally? :) < 1306097609 532913 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything _except_ esolangs, generally < 1306097626 497499 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so I�m in the wrong place :> < 1306097639 230524 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly. < 1306097661 337885 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be futile asking something about the esolangs.org wiki then, would i? < 1306097664 273558 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it? < 1306097668 53598 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hey I remember an esolang discussion just a few days ago < 1306097668 135277 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi, recent topics of discussion include Minecraft, Homestuck and puns. < 1306097681 698499 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh you guys have been punting? ;-) < 1306097684 853430 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1306097687 764099 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Despite us already having a separate channel for Minecraft discussion to start with. < 1306097705 652185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Timwi < 1306097715 370481 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi, we do discuss esolangs too however, it is just that it doesn't nearly fill up the time in here. Thus we get a lot of "off topic" discussion too < 1306097748 214891 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to ask what your opinions are on full descriptions on the wiki. I find it weird that some people seem to *remove* descriptions and leave only a short summary (by far not enough to get an idea of the language) and/or replace it with a link which of course goes dead quickly. < 1306097750 964797 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, by coppro's conjecture, there is always an expert on anything you ask about in here, or someone in here knows an expert. < 1306097764 905781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: yeah i don't like that either < 1306097769 719682 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: um i've only noticed it happening once recently < 1306097776 520006 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :full description is better < 1306097783 553830 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I�m tempted to revert the change [[Fish]] :-p < 1306097784 994805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't revert it because there's no point having an unmaintained description but I did leave a message on their talk page < 1306097797 126913 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh � I�ll go check < 1306097797 275261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't seem to have replied yet, but it's only been two days < 1306097812 305425 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: however one occasional problem is people copying stuff from elsewhere. our license is not very compatible with doing that. < 1306097813 252110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the language would be hugely complex. Like befunge98 or intercal < 1306097822 734354 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(understatement) < 1306097825 492058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm right < 1306097831 538771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OTOH it was the language creator this time < 1306097837 298165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they can pretty much do what they want < 1306097855 450384 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A soldier of the New World army ant..." — WP < 1306097859 852470 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well i don't think they can just revoke the license, can they? < 1306097863 737291 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I first parsed that as some kind of weird cult. < 1306097868 616723 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don�t see why complexity should be a stopper < 1306097870 334782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, exactly, posting it on the wiki counts as permission < 1306097914 470381 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don�t happen to think that the articles should �belong� to the authors. Maybe the _language_ does, but unless they redefine their language I think the _description_ should be up to wiki philosophy < 1306097997 786641 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: yeah. < 1306098000 171548 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No disagreements? :) < 1306098002 546296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely < 1306098031 654547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it wasn't a wiki, most of the articles would be of terrible quality :) < 1306098061 146958 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I�m not sure whether you�re being ironic or whether you really think most articles are �good quality� < 1306098064 827885 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: we've done major rewritings of articles before. it's just we're usually too lazy to do so unless we consider the language particularly interesting _and_ have ideas for improvement < 1306098075 70837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: Well, define good quality :-P < 1306098081 564340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like 90 percent of our articles are on tiny minor esolangs. < 1306098088 86307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there's really not much to say on them. < 1306098098 487906 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course not, but that doesn�t mean their descriptions can�t be improved < 1306098109 335130 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I�ve seen too many pages where the description is vague or ambiguous < 1306098117 292512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure; I think the average quality of articles is pretty good for all esolangs that more than one person cares about, though, on average < 1306098121 950184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, redundancy. < 1306098140 18817 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: well when the page is the _only_ description of the language it is hard for someone other than the author to disambiguate it < 1306098143 509535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: Well it's hard to clarify things when there's true ambiguity, because that ambiguity is in the spec itself. < 1306098143 812393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1306098166 527168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we had a Funge-98 article, it would have to be extremely ambiguous by necessity (although Mycology acts as a sort of de facto disambiguator) < 1306098202 71829 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should have some sort of incentive for authors to be precise and complete < 1306098206 313537 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i recall i did some minor disambiguation to itflabtijtslwi when i implemented it < 1306098250 821880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: It's called having your language ignored otherwise. < 1306098253 96539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's swift and merciless ;) < 1306098257 531242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and zero-effort too :D < 1306098267 666641 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we can do better < 1306098291 753696 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, we could add banners (or other prominent boxes/markers) along the top of a page which clearly highlight all the ambiguities/open questions < 1306098300 340597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that what talk pages are for? < 1306098304 586480 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we add these banners quickly enough when a language is posted, the author will notice it < 1306098310 573609 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but nobody notices them < 1306098315 53183 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talk pages are completely useless. < 1306098326 84418 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They�re not even suitable for discussions. < 1306098329 771209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree, we've had very productive discussion and clarification on talk pages before < 1306098335 888516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm did the wiki just go down for anyone else < 1306098342 799416 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My proposal is not to have a discussion about the language, but just to document the shortcomings of the article _in the article itself_. < 1306098347 209919 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Works < 1306098351 549279 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works for me too < 1306098385 688514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: well we could have some sort of infobox I suppose, but it seems like mentioning that there's a new discussion on the article's talk page on the language author's talk page might be the most productive option? I doubt most people check their languages' articles very often after all < 1306098412 544863 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, is there an analogue of the internet archive that doesn't respect robots.txt? < 1306098418 558925 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What makes you think they check their user talk page any more often? < 1306098434 891426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: well you get an annoying bar on every page if you don't... < 1306098435 445438 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To get the notification they would have to at least view *something* on the wiki, and what would that be if not their own language article? < 1306098443 928271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :other languages? recent changes? < 1306098446 809092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyond that, there's the email this user link < 1306098453 600662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if they have that disabled then they don't want to be bothered any more than that by choice < 1306098465 297601 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a reader, I don�t want to have to e-mail users, I want to just say �this article has ambiguity XYZ� and move on < 1306098480 565155 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you mean after the fact? not respecting it while crawling might be likely to get you banned... < 1306098481 810122 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, the original language inventor may not be the only person capable of clarifying the ambiguity < 1306098485 460928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, a note on the article talk page + a note on the user's talk page is quite easy to do < 1306098496 216127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: if there's a spec, then you could correct the error yourself :-) < 1306098499 426693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, then only the author can < 1306098512 146136 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you�re not catching my drift here < 1306098525 948647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe :) < 1306098526 457683 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the moment, we have many articles with problems, but *nobody is documenting the problems* < 1306098561 276116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the wiki is fairly low-traffic, and there's a huge long tail effect on the articles that are read < 1306098579 848018 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I was new, I tried to make [[Talk:Funciton]] a bit like this � i.e. have it be a documentation of current problems � but when I removed a thread that was about a *resolved* problem, it was reverted and I was asked not to remove discussions. Thus, talk pages are completely useless for my purpose < 1306098617 358475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well archiving talk pages is OK but removing threads is generally not done < 1306098623 901122 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: um if someone logs in to the wiki at all, they will know if they have a message on their user talk page automatically, while they have to explicitly check all their language articles < 1306098627 562028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because it makes them hard to access (you have to find a random revision in the history) < 1306098661 616280 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think an article�s problems should be listed on the article itself though. < 1306098688 574216 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I also think that should be the case on Wikipedia as it would benefit readers a lot � even if they cannot resolve the problem, at least they know it exists. But of course on Wikipedia I tend to talk against a wall there :) < 1306098691 932309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fine with that, I just don't see how it will make problems get fixed any quicker. < 1306098738 741927 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. I can�t prove to you that they will, but let me point out that most people thought wikis would never work (i.e. would only accumulate errors/problems that don�t get fixed) until Wikipedia proved them wrong :) < 1306098786 116689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure, but people also said the same about perpetual motion machines :P < 1306098792 304330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not opposed to the idea, I'm just not sure how people will notice < 1306098803 94581 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we _do_ have a stub template anyway < 1306098828 154330 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear, the stub template. I don�t get why this is considered useful? It only states the obvious (�this article is short�). It�s redundant. < 1306098852 788839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well some articles are short because there's not much to say < 1306098859 617226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :others are short because we haven't figured out /what/ to say yet :) < 1306098864 370006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one kind are stubs < 1306098881 762496 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: so that people can easily go looking for stubs to expand on, in theory < 1306098947 648723 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a language article really *needs* only one thing: all the information necessary to implement the language or to program in it. But there are several would-be-nice-to-haves: the top #1 for me is example programs. Others include, for example, a simplified list of commands (a �cheat sheet�); another is a beginner�s introduction/tutorial... < 1306098965 485443 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Well you can still do that with [[Special:Shortpages]] < 1306098972 242640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO a tutorial would usually belong on another page, perhaps even a user page, since it's much less objective information than the rest < 1306098996 31318 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can certainly go on a subpage, but why a user page? < 1306099008 39275 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is a tutorial not objective, and even if it isn�t, why does all content need to be objective? < 1306099021 200774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are many ways to introduce someone to a language < 1306099026 368381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyond what consensus can agree on < 1306099036 28188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just my opinion anyway < 1306099040 394393 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah, but surely it�s better to have /one/ such way than none < 1306099052 356641 :Tritonio!~TrT@athedsl-23602.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1306099084 879989 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306099133 516781 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think the introduction I wrote for Funciton is useless and/or too subjective? < 1306099152 444138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really see that as a tutorial < 1306099164 467239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more a list of examples of certain features in increasing complexity rather than a guide on writing programs, IMO < 1306099171 338519 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, true < 1306099178 617976 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was intended as an _introduction_ rather than a �tutorial� < 1306099186 749367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right :) < 1306099198 377622 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish more articles did that. Instead I tend to see descriptions that already assume knowledge about the execution environment / memory model / etc. < 1306099386 352421 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: btw your irc client is putting some strange characters in your messages < 1306099405 719759 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for quotes < 1306099410 13459 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1306099418 443676 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when is UTF-8 strage? < 1306099420 654423 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange? < 1306099447 985445 :Tritonio!~TrT@athedsl-23602.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1306099460 429488 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they show up as inverted double S or T < 1306099474 13626 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1306099476 900689 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm otherwise approximately utf8 clean < 1306099487 477585 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm assuming that it's UTF-8 -- how do I check? :-p < 1306099504 443818 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-9-246.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306099514 783249 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I'm not running the newest version of mIRC. Maybe I should upgrade < 1306099520 723900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has rather bad luck with unicode < 1306099545 711170 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've noticed elliott occasionally pastes characters like that, but he doesn't write them afair < 1306099548 547810 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is anyone seeing my characters properly? �quotes� �single quotes� �em dash etc.? < 1306099568 833175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am, but oerjan and maybe others tend to have problems with Unicode characters in here anyway < 1306099570 596111 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/11.05.22 at the end < 1306099579 375657 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shows up as blank squares to me < 1306099583 953371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's possible my client is just doing encoding detection < 1306099586 445235 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do so many people use ancient 1980s technology? :( < 1306099623 330381 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That chat log appears to be encoded as Windows-1252 < 1306099631 497648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tunes.org sends no header < 1306099633 307435 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think this is utf8, since they don't show up as such in the logs < 1306099639 92931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you might try the codu logs < 1306099643 80696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that assumes utf8 < 1306099646 976250 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1306099652 865830 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306099654 903749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it shows wrongly there too < 1306099657 738235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as wrong single characters < 1306099665 678254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Timwi is the one using eighties technology -- a non-unicode character set :) < 1306099676 368669 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2011-05-22.txt < 1306099696 48390 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure that the log shows exactly what my client sends? < 1306099704 764709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1306099710 967060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read the code to glogbot :P < 1306099714 888417 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK then I need to find out how to enable UTF-8 < 1306099726 435925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just use dumb quotes ;) < 1306099730 865586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :̈æ (testing) < 1306099735 350277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, shows right in the logs for me < 1306099744 998236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although with a diaeresis inexplicably?? < 1306099777 259395 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A combining diaeresis no less < 1306099800 359426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's what i actually typed < 1306099800 837386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1306099803 569472 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. I'm happy to hear suggestions for a better IRC client < 1306099808 634986 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1306099813 854996 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :æ (testing too) < 1306099819 538589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use xchat but I'm on linux < 1306099830 439222 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no diaeresis for that < 1306099837 854409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I gather that http://code.google.com/p/xchat-wdk/ is a decent xchat bild for windows... < 1306099840 50070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :build < 1306099849 762753 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW looks like mIRC can correctly _display_ your UTF-8-encoded text. I guess that's why I thought it also _sends_ UTF-8 < 1306099897 673087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of clients tend to do that, even xchat by default < 1306099909 860696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to change encoding from "IRC" which is some freakish latin-one/utf-eight hybrid to plain utf8 < 1306099934 979284 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why has nobody ever written a completely normal, un-messed-up IRC client?! :-) < 1306099988 473257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have, hundreds of times in fact < 1306099995 467819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like editors :) < 1306099995 720153 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I've never seen one < 1306100004 26598 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I've never seen any of those either < 1306100006 668218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely, so you can be the next person in line to write one :) < 1306100019 643353 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, and no doubt 90% of all people will think mine is messed up too < 1306100021 567776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the first person to use yours will say "What kind of IDIOT wrote this? I'm going to write a /normal/ editorclient" :-P < 1306100074 444831 :Timwi_!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1306100087 523763 :Timwi_!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meow? < 1306100093 418707 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, I didn't see the join message < 1306100100 443839 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: /set recode_fallback CP1252 < 1306100117 486584 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: hm? < 1306100119 103744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that's loser talk < 1306100121 261611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, i see < 1306100122 728672 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh! Ctrl+L clears the bugger, how do I undo that? < 1306100127 44610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: you can't < 1306100127 828661 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL s/bugger/buffer/ < 1306100134 856998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, afaik < 1306100139 50559 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: To make irssi try windows-1252 when it's not UTF-8 < 1306100143 223327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why /clear even exists really < 1306100150 91893 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: And to make Timwi's quotes etc work :-P < 1306100150 173557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ctrl+L is the binding) < 1306100157 154256 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. So here we go, the first shortcut I press (accidentally) has a destructive data-loss characteristic with no undo. You don't think that's messed up? :-p < 1306100170 641042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well if you turn logging on it's not destructive. :p < 1306100177 908567 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK how do I do that? :) < 1306100180 534387 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i have it as iso-8859-1, i recall i had some trouble with using cp1252 after i changed the rest of my setup to be utf8 clean < 1306100190 238589 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cp1252 is a ISO-8859-1 superset < 1306100194 280126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: Settings → Preferences → Logging < 1306100207 463149 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: no, strangely enough _something_ broke iirc < 1306100214 564732 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll spend some time going through the Preferences dialog, thanks < 1306100227 156158 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot quite recall what it was < 1306100230 548869 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It /is/ a superset :-P < 1306100238 407393 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meow < 1306100288 969405 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, the menu keyboard navigation is all messed up :(( Sorry I'm so picky :) < 1306100295 549441 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ah iirc iso1252 gave me trouble with characters 128 to 128+31 < 1306100308 716412 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when doing bot stuff < 1306100372 430663 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's the only range where stuff is different < 1306100377 776252 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i vaguely recall characters showed up duplicated. < 1306100382 40698 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meow Timwi test Meow < 1306100388 718564 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1306100389 456643 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com NICK :Timwi__ < 1306100390 793670 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In ISO-8859-1 they're control chars, in windows-1252 they're not < 1306100391 302802 :Timwi_!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com NICK :Timwi < 1306100403 462645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xchat, the best irc client for felines < 1306100414 416552 :Timwi__!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test Meow Timwi Test meow < 1306100424 956884 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf8 +[.+] < 1306100426 917343 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​........ < 1306100456 181627 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION misses fungot
< 1306100465 674658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: we demand fungottery < 1306100473 564326 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: oh hm wait i am seeing double chars _now_ < 1306100519 314608 :Timwi__!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT : < 1306100523 248105 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf8 ++++++++++[.+] < 1306100524 278406 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK now let�s see how it goes < 1306100529 974219 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn�t find any UTF-8-related options though < 1306100537 53030 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the quotes showing up �properly� now? < 1306100553 446795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks the same as before (i.e. fine) to me < 1306100557 678246 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306100558 608166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: the encoding is in the network list thing < 1306100568 18553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :edit the server → Character set < 1306100608 895604 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaargrggghhh < 1306100613 318541 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ah yes. when i do cp1252 all the chars after that become messed up < 1306100619 674028 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is totally messed up. I can�t type normally into this text box... < 1306100624 483744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1306100643 255147 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should make a list of all the issues I have with all the crap software I encounter :) < 1306100664 247177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's not normal about the text box :) < 1306100671 281945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a standard gtk text box here < 1306100674 715515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then my whole environment is gtk < 1306100713 901339 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn�t accept keypresses that come from a WinAPI SendInput() call. < 1306100735 674860 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhm, more precisely, it accepts keypresses such as backspace, but not Unicode characters :) < 1306100765 116249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1306100765 481178 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not the first time I�m having huge issues with GTK and Unicode. For a GUI toolkit I think it is exceptionally broken < 1306100770 334891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try the input methods menu in the right-click? < 1306100781 189688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you're on Windows, it's hardly GTK's native platform :) < 1306100794 136400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in X11 it supports unicode input perfectly for me < 1306100810 36158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey < 1306100810 181010 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that Input Methods menu do that isn�t already covered by normal native OS-level functionality? < 1306100810 722226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff) (hist) . . Fish‎; 19:11 . . (+8,797) . . Harpyon (Talk | contribs) (Added/rewrote documentation.) < 1306100814 44765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was readded < 1306100820 266415 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I noticed that :) < 1306100831 576955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: well on Unix/X11 which is GTK's native platform there is /no/ OS-level functionality for that, it's in the toolkit i.e. GTK :) < 1306100848 133568 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, so every program needs to implement it separately < 1306100866 263311 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So every program will implement it _differently_, so the amount of learning (and frustration) increases with the number of programs you use < 1306100874 922336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not every program implements it separately < 1306100882 225779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's more than one program that uses gtk < 1306100897 194445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it seems to have been unified into this "ibus" thing lately, I bet that works with Qt too... < 1306100918 369159 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that help anyone using any other app? < 1306100928 638714 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly OS-level functionality is the right way to do this < 1306100938 816724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"any other app"? < 1306100947 726912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you realise there are hundreds if not thousands of applications using GTK+, right? < 1306100953 428413 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want character input to be consistent across *ALL APPS WITHOUT EXCEPTION*, not different from framework to framework < 1306100964 127722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :among them the vast majority of popular graphical Unix programs < 1306100975 41459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. every single Gnome program < 1306100991 179093 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, so GTK now has a user lock-in feature too � if you try to use ANY non-GTK program AT ALL and expect to be able to enter text normally, you�re screwed < 1306100997 183634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: well it's a flexibility tradeoff -- every program that runs on the "GTK+ graphical OS" supports it. < 1306101013 369348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was on the Xorg level, it would just mean that doing it differently would involve rewriting the entire graphical subsystem < 1306101032 61178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it's certainly feasible to not use a single non-GTK graphical program) < 1306101052 327139 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So uhm, any other suggestions for a better IRC client? :) < 1306101062 138164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope :) < 1306101124 223740 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF, now mIRC stopped working, supposedly because the evaluation period expired. That seems a bit random now, I�ve been using it for decades :) < 1306101134 128922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just give it a few seconds and the continue button enables :P < 1306101167 416440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: btw i do generally agree wrt things being at the OS layer rather than lower down -- e.g. I'm a fan of OS-level object model/garbage collection -- but I'm not sure it's always clear-cut < 1306101195 549400 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I don�t claim that it�s easy :) < 1306101229 540999 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just very surprised to see this kind of text-input functionality in applications like Skype, Pidgin and now XChat, which duplicate functionality that should be OS-global and not app-specific... < 1306101247 584377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Skype is Qt I think, not sure; Pidgin and XChat are both GTK+. < 1306101257 56760 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it is < 1306101278 453414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really app-specific so much as layering some "graphical-environment functionality" on top of another graphical-environment (Windows), whereas they usually run a layer lower (X Windows), IMO < 1306101321 297545 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It�s app-specific in the sense that there is GUI for it (such as the �Input Methods� menu in XChat) that should be in the OS < 1306101416 280275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would make you consider such an option "part of the OS"? It's so you can set a specific input method temporarily < 1306101422 614342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it wouldn't work in any sort of system-wide settings < 1306101440 7756 :Timwi__!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1306101442 180676 :Timwi__!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meow! < 1306101462 313993 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1306101462 690131 :Timwi__!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com NICK :Timwi < 1306101501 22131 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have misunderstood what the feature does, but even switching between input methods (e.g. keyboard layouts) I would argue should be OS-level. I'm actually annoyed that Windows remembers the keyboard layout on a per-app basis and switches between them as you switch between apps :) < 1306101562 747060 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway < 1306101564 664651 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back to esolangs < 1306101583 962833 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was actually going to ask whether there is any demand for a primitive esoteric-language IDE with a step-through debugger :) < 1306101611 436515 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote one for an esolang I haven't published yet, and I was wondering whether anyone would like to help me add other languages, esp. BF and Befunge and some of the most popular ones < 1306101619 934615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a bunch of them for brainfuck < 1306101640 513540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by Befunge I take it you mean Befunge-93 < 1306101645 26281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not Funge-98 < 1306101651 532955 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but I'm thinking of a single, integrated program that supports as many languages as possible < 1306101667 226812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Implementing Funge-98 is a major project in itself; doing it efficiently and with good fingerprint support takes many thousands of lines.) < 1306101688 639683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: what language? I haven't tried Funciton yet because it depends on a newer version of .NET than Mono supports < 1306101699 803813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's many Windows users in here < 1306101775 204054 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I wrote it in C# because I happen to know C# best. I don't think you have to use Windows; I'm pretty sure that it'll work in Mono. < 1306101785 906063 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could even concoct my own implementation of BigInteger, then I don't need to require .NET 4.0. < 1306101800 227606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last I checked Mono didn't have BigInteger, yeah. < 1306101857 695349 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, there's a Mono.Math.BigInteger < 1306101882 66763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :same API, though? < 1306101887 236208 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1306101888 760207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be unsigned only < 1306101896 452419 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear :) < 1306101965 286582 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone except for us two has gone quiet... < 1306101972 137993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chirp < 1306101977 646399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf8 +[.+] < 1306101978 343598 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​........ < 1306101985 526807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo beep < 1306101988 503603 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have gone slower so I could tell whether it's because I mentioned C# or whether it was because we talked about GTK+ in Windows :) < 1306101989 398358 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​beep < 1306101990 881908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "boop" < 1306101991 516016 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : boop < 1306102008 402572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Phantom_Hoover: hey, revive the channel :-) < 1306102030 714636 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest we do it with SCIENCE! < 1306102033 572460 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bee science! < 1306102082 758873 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have developed an interest in bees.) < 1306102158 386489 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolang based on bees. Discuss. < 1306102173 905803 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306102185 681088 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beesolang. < 1306102187 271725 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, commands are encoded as dance patterns? < 1306102201 388574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps. Or you control the queen. < 1306102243 527158 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You make new bees and they do things. < 1306102295 149506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1306102365 565651 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306102371 472346 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The resident electronics seem to be rather unhappy < 1306102377 439169 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer crashed then my router cut out < 1306102383 11132 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sorry we are discussing Beesolang. < 1306102395 604884 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who pronounced "eso" with a long e. < 1306102398 578570 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pronounces. < 1306102402 854825 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad people that's who. < 1306102420 891610 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you say it as "ehsolang"? < 1306102426 156883 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1306102429 145487 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought it should be long e, too. < 1306102437 881167 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1306102439 536847 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL CONSULT GOOGLE < 1306102440 880805 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... esoteric is pronounced with a long 'e'. < 1306102443 275838 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language with cubes < 1306102444 728395 :CakeProphet!~adam@h79.30.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306102447 95185 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=esoteric&tbs=dfn:1&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=uorZTeOpCsHRhAe05bS2Bg&ved=0CCAQkQ4&biw=1440&bih=761 < 1306102448 868445 :CakeProphet!~adam@h79.30.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1306102448 950088 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1306102454 623419 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pronunciation icon -> "ehsoteric". < 1306102457 279201 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha ha I am right. < 1306102467 19535 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1306102474 786101 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://howjsay.com/index.php?word=esoteric&submit=Submit < 1306102478 777631 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses DESCRIPTIVISM
< 1306102480 923259 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Short e apparently... < 1306102486 23050 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's super effective. < 1306102487 673373 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have literally never heard it said with a short 'e'. < 1306102498 9975 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When have you EVER heard "esoteric" said? < 1306102508 324109 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a common word down our way. < 1306102519 203261 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You weirdo Scots. < 1306102525 858988 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact, no one has ever said "esoteric", anything else is just an illusion < 1306102538 819817 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: your facts are as amusing as they are factual < 1306102554 183715 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard esophagus though, is that similar? :)) < 1306102564 371799 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION remembers that he has a computerised pronunciation guide on his hard drive.
< 1306102569 468193 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: your praise is as welcome as it is sincere < 1306102578 177447 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It was _perfectly_ sincere. < 1306102583 152148 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said the fact was factual ;-) < 1306102597 143026 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: A text-to-speech program? < 1306102613 310618 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, no, just ASCII phonetics. < 1306102616 495066 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses, foiled by logic again < 1306102622 822008 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So are you a bee hipster yet? < 1306102633 350772 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metallurgy, things to make shirts out of... bees are merely the next logical step. < 1306102651 883262 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you even express interest in what the shirt would be made of. < 1306102665 439130 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read it in the logs. < 1306102673 299347 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to generalise it down to "silk" to irritate you. < 1306102685 517635 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :spider silk < 1306102687 557287 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will then point out how impractical that is wrt the weather where you live. < 1306102719 126112 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have a machine for it, obviously. < 1306102724 841777 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... import the spiders? < 1306102733 581275 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I mean that it is cold in Scotland. < 1306102737 705767 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And silk is... not very warming. < 1306102738 781764 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more practical than the tantalum, at least. < 1306102745 714073 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tantalum shirt. < 1306102747 206863 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, we have jumpers, you know. < 1306102760 905830 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Thus making the shirt completely superfluous :P < 1306102812 892324 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah no because the collar of the shirt would be visible and everyone would be like "oh, your shirt is weird" and I'd be like "yes, it's made of spider silk" and then I could hug arachnophobes. < 1306102832 891769 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1306102838 254237 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally I understand your mind. < 1306102871 859451 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? Do tell, I've often wondered myself. < 1306102947 928426 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: i think that was more of an oklopol comment, really < 1306102962 842692 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it had too many words for that < 1306102965 243642 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :big ones < 1306102968 554160 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1306103094 170980 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1306103221 534787 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306103377 172563 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ < 1306103391 571621 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, what did you see in my previous message? < 1306103416 445573 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :’ < 1306103427 427840 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting! It’s sending UTF-8 now! < 1306103451 100841 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shuts up.
< 1306103555 995051 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, you still there? < 1306103574 391270 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was actually going to ask why people seem to be intent on keeping deadlinks around on esolangs.org. < 1306103675 352144 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I created {{deadlink}} so people would either update them or wayback them < 1306103692 223928 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1306103694 613847 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wasn’t obvious :) < 1306103725 96298 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I did do that once — I recovered the description of [[Emoticon]] from the wayback machine < 1306103731 143823 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should put a note on the template page... < 1306103736 748404 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and link the "dead link" text to it < 1306103750 811130 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: hm you didn't copy from it without checking with the author though right? < 1306103753 571995 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great, oerjan removed it :) < 1306103754 718945 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a copyvio :/ < 1306103766 972857 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah alas < 1306103788 283336 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can’t deny that it’s technically a copyvio, but I really cannot imagine it ever being a problem :) < 1306103857 433093 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we do enforce the policy quite strictly, but I don't see anything that could be a copyvio on [[Emoticon]] < 1306103886 518754 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, the new wayback interstitial is annoying < 1306103913 785962 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: um, Great, oerjan removed it :) < 1306103918 842761 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1306103951 621029 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i wonder what you're meant to do with copyvios on wikis since it stays in the history < 1306103957 112570 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Wikipedia does a delete/restore without those revisions thing < 1306103975 114431 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: was it actually a vio or did you write your own description using the page? < 1306103977 71056 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter is fine ofc < 1306103984 895336 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, sent him an e-mail < 1306104009 630478 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pretty directly copied as i recall < 1306104024 542178 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I copied it and only fixed the formatting < 1306104028 999887 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which actually took me quite a while :/ < 1306104040 143938 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be annoying if I don’t hear from the guy and the work was for nothing < 1306104049 818317 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's copyright law for you :( < 1306104073 600332 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought in the US copyright law allows us to post it and wait until we get a takedown notice :) < 1306104088 11143 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1306104093 158568 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the kind of thing that gets you prosecuted :-P < 1306104099 992102 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you get a takedown notice, you have to take it down < 1306104104 747738 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't make it legal in the first plcae < 1306104118 641694 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be Graue's decision in any case < 1306104132 64651 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of Graue, I haven’t received a reply from him about my e-mail... :( < 1306104143 561631 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: no. the law allows the _isp/host_ to wait until they get a takedown notice. the uploader can certainly be sued immediately. < 1306104156 815976 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I see < 1306104177 290506 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well ok i'm not entirely certain) < 1306104199 290785 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find making things up to be an excellent substitute for knowing things; YMMV < 1306104201 847682 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1306104209 801067 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's meant to protect isp/hosts from having to check everything < 1306104289 566074 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _think_ graue paid attention to ais523's email during the recent spam flood. but i certainly didn't get a response to the last one i sent < 1306104323 443653 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you the problem was fixed though < 1306104326 760424 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Graue is going to be prohibitively unresponsive, we could consider forking the content :-p < 1306104344 453294 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graue is a good admin and the esolangs.org domain has lots of Googlejuice in it anyway < 1306104352 433922 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although is technically not owned by Graue IIRC < 1306104370 380225 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, of course it would be best if we could get hold of the domain too :) < 1306104395 802174 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't see why, the wiki is running quite smoothly < 1306104396 791158 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306104396 872985 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While parsing numbers is not very hard, it makes for slow and possibly glitchy programs." --[[Fish]] < 1306104397 910940 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat... < 1306104409 14212 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly glitchy? can this guy not write a number parsing program or something :) < 1306104492 116785 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, I explained why — because I’m not getting a response regarding my suggestions for improvement. Is the wiki interested in improvements or not? If I can host it equally smoothly *and* be responsive *and* make it easier for users to format articles nicely, that’s clearly an improvement :) < 1306104495 579274 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I’m not saying I can < 1306104513 263767 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what suggestions did you make? < 1306104528 647667 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, I considered making a new MediaWiki skin that is unique to esolangs < 1306104550 859833 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see mine and ais' replies on the talk page? that would be best done locally at first, since it involves editing PHP < 1306104556 416536 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also suggested the div/span template thingie, which was eventually added, but only because someone found a tricky workaround for the filter :-p < 1306104563 334838 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you had a finished skin you might get a quicker response < 1306104570 207457 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1306104593 388520 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But more than creating a whole skin, I’d really just like to improve the look of individual articles < 1306104599 118061 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For that I would like to be able to edit [[Common.css]] < 1306104607 748094 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] < 1306104632 213217 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well again some concrete suggestions might help :) < 1306104868 722339 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1306104886 601287 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why shouldn’t I be able to make these suggestions in the same way that you make any other suggestions on a wiki — by editing it? < 1306104920 209398 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well with normal pages you can only mess up one page with an edit, and it's easily revertible; with the CSS anyone could make the site unusable with a single edit < 1306104952 250388 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I’m not suggesting to make it editable to everyone < 1306104956 975163 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the moment it is very hard to make a table that doesn’t look completely rubbish. Even if I add the code to make it look okay, I still have to add that to every single table.... < 1306104989 527337 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree that a nicer table style would be nicer; have you written any CSS to make them nicer? You can test modifications in [[User:Timwi/Monobook.css]] and then any sysop could easily copy it over if people like it. < 1306105002 631467 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was what was going to happen with the wikitable class from Wikipedia, but unfortunately the license prohibits it. < 1306105009 552970 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, except that no-one can see it until it is copied over :-p < 1306105018 660521 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1306105018 801988 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you copy it to your own user page, etc.etc. — a lot of unnecessary work) < 1306105035 724790 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that reminds me, I actually had another idea which may be a lot more controversial than this :) < 1306105045 703920 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: Well, nobody can see it before it is added to the global style either < 1306105049 571652 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in your proposed scenario < 1306105063 873464 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, hence why I‘m asking to be able to do that < 1306105073 842500 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway < 1306105096 535326 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is that an opening single quote character there... < 1306105102 725854 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in "I‘m") < 1306105126 10578 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically I was thinking it might be nice to be able to vote on esolangs. One could give a rating as to how clear the article is, how complete the spec, etc.... Does this sound like total chaos? :) < 1306105142 443137 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, didn't wikipedia introduce something like that recently... < 1306105152 733390 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: Yes, I would have fixed it if IRC allowed me to edit messages, but since it’s such ancient 1980s technology, I can’t. < 1306105165 203161 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: that's what s/// is fro :-) < 1306105166 910238 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did? I didn’t see anything like it < 1306105168 409110 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/fro/for/ < 1306105172 932489 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/‘/’/g :-p < 1306105191 877140 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can only imagine the chaos if IRC messages were fully editable...
< 1306105195 72822 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: at the bottom of articles occasionally there's a rating panel thing. < 1306105213 821440 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like "rate the writing", "content", "sources" and then it asks you how much of an expert you think you are in that area, which is just asking for bias < 1306105221 756734 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, can’t see it... < 1306105231 924368 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to only pop up occasionally < 1306105232 658392 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1306105259 669379 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Well, anyway, I was wondering about esolangs.org, not Wikipedipa :) < 1306105277 661131 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a rating system might be interesting, but would be perfectly doable as a separate project < 1306105288 53730 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the long tail comes in again -- who has a real opinion on the hundreds of esolangs on the wiki? < 1306105291 922677 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an opinion on a few dozen at most < 1306105302 747835 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose < 1306105307 444371 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I imagine past the top N, it'd be a bit of a mush < 1306105311 145840 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd be interested in seeing it, anyway < 1306105325 690825 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it might work better as a "which is better: esolang X or Y?" type thing...) < 1306105339 2735 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the main reason I thought of it is because I think the Main Page really needs a “featured esolang”, and this would be a democratic way of selecting one. < 1306105400 231837 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to make myself dinner two hours ago, now I’m really hungry, so I think I better do it now. < 1306105404 999269 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a featured esolang might be interesting < 1306105414 264457 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the wiki has nearly enough traffic to keep it turning over at a decent rate were it democratic, though < 1306105423 949825 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com NICK :Timwi-Cooking < 1306105426 66699 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Popularpages -- it's really quite low-traffic < 1306105456 303115 :Timwi-Cooking!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, by linking me to that you’re making me click on some of them, making them even more popular :) < 1306105489 537776 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1306105500 702816 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure twenty thousand views can count as popular by any measure :) < 1306105507 145098 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, Deadfish is one of the most popular articles < 1306105509 597000 :Timwi-Cooking!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :785 views for Funciton?! That’s surprisingly many! Who are all these people looking at it and not commenting :)) < 1306105531 404114 :Timwi-Cooking!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I REALLY NEED TO GO COOKING < 1306105532 891211 :Timwi-Cooking!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye :-p[ < 1306105537 283724 :Timwi-Cooking!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\[// :-p < 1306105658 2718 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :incomprehensibly < 1306105737 947292 :incomprehensibly!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :micahjohnston < 1306105782 868425 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: maybe it's because of the golf? < 1306105801 988022 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: anagolf isn't /that/ popular, is it? < 1306105804 992646 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably it got linked on reddit < 1306105806 78985 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR < 1306105807 409458 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all us < 1306105807 896428 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm probably not < 1306105812 703409 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just made _that_ _many_ implementations < 1306105813 662020 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1306105816 478822 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1306105865 763877 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :words of wisdom: infinite muffins is too expensive and nobody can afford it < 1306105877 213859 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if PopularPages registers if i only look at a diff (as often happens when browsing Recent Changes < 1306105880 269012 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1306105991 223815 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no underload < 1306106015 256154 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall Chu-Carroll blogged about it, but maybe he didn't link to the wiki < 1306106030 914035 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1306106111 402206 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is thutu on there? chu-carroll blogged about that too < 1306106133 35654 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm speaking about the first page < 1306106155 922063 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1306106179 46075 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck even unlambda isn't (it's #1 on the next page) < 1306106193 634747 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pah < 1306106197 760691 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncouth viewers < 1306106220 577962 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so oerjan how are you going to minimise Underload next? Is it TC without )? ;D < 1306106300 877566 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :) is a delimiter that matches ( so you now need to change other things too < 1306106311 461475 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you killed the joke :( < 1306106366 108249 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was moribund from the start < 1306106489 936842 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1306106692 575094 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :| < 1306106761 536263 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The article about Rapture seems like a list like the list in the article about Silly Emplosions except entirely different < 1306106798 742959 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"like, except entirely different" < 1306106922 844165 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: Yes. < 1306107036 141007 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :google have apparently started to try and capitalise domain names < 1306107043 334520 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TvTropes now shows as "tvTropes.org" < 1306107060 360263 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :capital idea < 1306107151 102992 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: Are they based on META headings or anything like that? < 1306107169 919803 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1306107176 736414 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be guesswork < 1306107181 431836 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really think Google is messing up a lot of things over time it becomes even more mixed up from before < 1306107192 398498 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah yeah i can predict your opinions on google < 1306107199 643769 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it doesn't just always camelcase the domain it seems... < 1306107200 240842 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1306107213 97049 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to capitalise the u in "UrbanDictionary" < 1306107741 51006 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's showing off how fancily it can detect words now < 1306107746 993680 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :by detecting words in urls and capitalizing the starts of them < 1306107747 398655 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1306107766 249299 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok testing things with weird pronunciation it gets "deviantART" right, maybe it /is/ based on meta tags in part < 1306107769 384972 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is silly < 1306107771 156763 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares < 1306107781 913744 :Timwi-Cooking!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com NICK :Timwi < 1306107886 198457 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe TITLE or something even if not META, is also possible. < 1306107918 667855 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, google sometimes constructs its own titles after all nowadays < 1306107970 439133 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT : < 1306108354 69911 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection