< 1307059213 535455 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1307059315 619289 :CakeProphet!~adam@h220.52.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307059315 818469 :CakeProphet!~adam@h220.52.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1307059315 818680 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1307059983 911043 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1307060273 940912 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just figured out how to give my native function calling O(log n) complexity < 1307060290 456532 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Highly inspired by a sleep-deprived misreading of something someone else wrote < 1307060556 595307 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1307060815 768703 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1307060817 763624 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307060833 301792 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, ah, so that's why you all do that. < 1307060988 63606 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm? < 1307061002 918095 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need to do a hard-coded binary search < 1307061016 818484 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean get sleep deprived. < 1307061083 59103 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wear down your defences until weird ideas attack you, hoping some of those ideas end up being useful < 1307061098 245970 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. < 1307062380 318644 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1307062399 245773 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1307062555 259247 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's impossible to do CPS without TCO, right? < 1307062710 761570 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation-passing_style#CPS_and_tail_calls < 1307062843 829164 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should read up on what Chicken Scheme does < 1307063581 884672 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't I do first-class continuations without CPS? < 1307064153 764204 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LSL does, in fact, have a goto < 1307064158 914581 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This would have been good to remember. < 1307064167 204431 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-126.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it's more that CPS completely and utterly eliminates the need for a call stack at all. < 1307064220 946428 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not the only reason for going CPS, is it? < 1307064331 476461 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I don't take the bytecode approach, I can use GOTOs as a sort of call, since there's no need to return from it in CPS < 1307064400 631734 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-126.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a compelling argument if doing TCO would be a pain but just doing a jump would be easy. < 1307064433 356414 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-126.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still have to manage your closures, but eh, you'd have to do that in most languages. < 1307064467 172792 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thing is, the jump itself is hardcoded I think < 1307064485 711211 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if that affects anything, I don't know what C gotos are like < 1307064508 582585 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lslwiki.net/lslwiki/wakka.php?wakka=jump < 1307064534 324739 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note: Please see the comments, you can only have a single jump statement going to a label." < 1307064536 18371 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fuck? < 1307064630 543669 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means, you need two labels in one place if you want to jump twice? < 1307064647 602773 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1307064677 440595 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no, if you call the same jump statement twice < 1307064776 376582 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-126.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Give up now. < 1307064808 412914 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-126.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you *really* feel nice, become a Linden and get them to start using ECMAScript or Lua or something else non-revolting. < 1307064812 933356 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-126.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, give up now. < 1307064852 895140 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I were to do the jump thing, I'd still have to deal with making them first-class somehow < 1307064936 293028 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, which part means I should give up? < 1307064942 79639 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-126.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: All of it. < 1307065060 726812 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to read up on how Chicken compiles to C < 1307066499 804841 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I so scared to read http://home.pipeline.com/~hbaker1/CheneyMTA.html < 1307066533 799241 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, LSL does not have malloc, but its lists can hold items of arbitrary types and lists allocated on the "stack" can be reassigned to with larger lists < 1307066547 361666 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know if that's proper terminology < 1307066595 820571 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Appel's method is boring < 1307066797 944840 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, this paper uses some sort of archaic C syntax < 1307066904 23531 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me, or does this require being able to see the stack prior to the most recent function call? < 1307066912 148925 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think LSL is that powerful < 1307066933 962401 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1307068920 815643 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307069264 701992 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1307069606 983640 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1307069728 482253 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307070160 594785 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so could there be a way to set up a language to do CPS under the hood? < 1307070186 15970 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1307070750 786457 :dnm_!~dnm@li97-254.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1307070768 774493 :dnm_!~dnm@li97-254.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1307070939 976579 :Kustas!~xix@62.65.217.204.cable.starman.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1307071451 663275 :Kustas!~xix@62.65.217.204.cable.starman.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1307071507 159278 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307071520 888632 :Kustas_!~xix@62.65.217.204.cable.starman.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1307071525 120278 :Kustas_!~xix@62.65.217.204.cable.starman.ee NICK :Kustas < 1307071748 592088 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memes, a regular expression guide. < 1307071760 399740 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.*?) .*? is \1 < 1307071819 106940 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(?i)longcat is lo+ng([.!])+ < 1307071871 303242 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(?i)yo dawg, I heard you like (.*?) so we put a \1 in your .*? so you can .*? while you .*?[.!]? < 1307071890 116313 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :correction: < 1307071903 98843 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1307071904 681889 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(?i)yo dawg, I heard you like (.*?)(e?s)? so we put a \1 in your .*? so you can .*? while you .*?[.!]? < 1307071907 837144 :Kustas!~xix@62.65.217.204.cable.starman.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1307071948 951526 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-126.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yo dawg, I heard you like ZALGO HE WHO WAITS BEHIND THE WALL!!! < 1307071957 559178 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-126.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1307072325 819089 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307072627 270232 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-126.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeeze. Is... Microsoft getting rid of WIMP? < 1307072679 151868 :Kustas!~xix@gprs-inet-65-15.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1307072849 462361 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1307072850 89803 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1307072856 720096 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my weakly interacting massive particles :( < 1307072895 439720 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-126.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Window Icon Menu Pointing device. < 1307072944 116938 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is that? < 1307072961 16187 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-126.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The traditional UI paradigm. < 1307073082 53513 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :define specifically < 1307073169 131004 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-126.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any UI with windows, icons, menus, and a pointing device as the primary features. Examples include Xerox Alto, Mac OS 1-present, Windows 1-7, KDE, GNOME, XFCE, etc. < 1307073224 233390 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1307073239 242897 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's microsoft trying to introduce instead? < 1307073242 729346 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike wimp. is their replacement any good? < 1307073248 874838 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-126.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Windows Phone 7 UI. < 1307073258 419070 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oo < 1307073267 275468 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :link? < 1307073273 243992 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-126.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p92QfWOw88I < 1307073335 94024 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... interesting < 1307073344 959788 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't say I'll use it much < 1307073384 888967 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-126.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And WINE is, no doubt, hating them so much. < 1307073635 889946 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-126.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really do wonder if they're dogfooding that. < 1307073651 118841 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-126.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, no, pretty sure they're not. < 1307073685 206362 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-126.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd probably see more concessions to not fucking sticking your fingers in your vision if they were. < 1307074001 90358 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :microsoft? dogfood? that doesn't sound right :P < 1307074018 826601 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-126.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They dogfood more than you'd expect. < 1307074043 584993 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-126.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's good and from them, they probably dogfood it. :P < 1307074075 262516 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they dogfood nothing :P < 1307074262 175143 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_your_own_dog_food#Criticism_and_alternatives < 1307074342 758441 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst part about dogfooding is not having a clue what's public < 1307074406 767489 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. search by subject was released at some point in the last month, and I haven't a clue when < 1307081315 440846 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-126.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1307081332 321439 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-183-97.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307081741 520508 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly dislike WIMP interface (one reason most of my programs do not use it!) < 1307081849 139589 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you think Pokemon de Panepon was designed so that BY DEFAULT THE SCORE ONLY GOES UP TO 99999 (you can push SELECT+A on the option menu to reveal more options, one of which allows the score to go up to 999999)? < 1307082231 195334 :Kustas!~xix@gprs-inet-65-15.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1307082347 426136 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-183-97.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes, but you don't replace it with something which is *strictly worse* in a desktop environment. < 1307082366 383598 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I agree, that Microsoft is in fact making it worse. < 1307082476 962253 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree too < 1307082501 729499 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :touchscreens themselves strike me as gimmicky, as well < 1307082526 327893 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer keyboard control, rather than touchscreens (there is more than one reason for this) < 1307082539 304215 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :keyboards always forever < 1307082617 933120 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't have to cover screen with hand, don't have to smear screen, faster to hit keys than drag hand, less awkward to hit keys than touch screen < 1307082620 779143 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else < 1307082691 793237 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of all those reasons. One more is that there can be room on screen for all text/graphics while typing the keys, instead of having mode-switching on-screen keyboards or other similar things to that. < 1307082753 132336 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :onscreen keyboards suffer from acute awkward < 1307082822 798164 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even another, is that if you have a separate keyboard then you can connect other devices there, such as separate number pad if you prefer it separate rather than joined; that you can build keyboard separately from the user interface; you can (except on some old terminals) physically move the keyboard differently than how the display is (allowing you to set viewing/typing angles)... < 1307082864 548410 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, that in cases where mouse is also useful, sometimes it is useful to use some keys at the same time as that. < 1307082877 404744 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the thing that annoyed me most about the windows 8 video was the fast and fluid app switching < 1307082916 34423 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cycling through everything until hitting the right one, was it < 1307083714 53603 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1307083797 154088 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-183-97.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1307083927 983668 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :touchscreens are not gimmicky < 1307083951 612032 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can be used in a gimmicky fashion < 1307083983 125883 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they have a wider range of input than a mouse and a well-designed interface can take advantage of this < 1307084027 739186 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: Am I strictly worse than a desktop environment? < 1307084040 808734 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307084169 441570 :myndzi!myndzi@c-98-247-234-176.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1307084227 357791 :myndzi!myndzi@c-98-247-234-176.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307084274 755017 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-183-97.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307085509 668697 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-214-146.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307085514 630328 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-183-97.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1307087077 347433 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307087120 9780 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1307087339 55350 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1307087360 361955 :Kustas!~xix@gprs-inet-65-12.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1307087489 187254 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307087802 751967 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1307088264 226417 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : If you *really* feel nice, become a Linden and get them to start using ECMAScript or Lua or something else non-revolting. < 1307088302 615038 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do i get the feeling that this LSL thing you keep talking about is kept retarded precisely to _keep_ people from writing such stuff as Sgeo is trying to? < 1307088328 244540 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm sure general TC computation is pretty resource intensive, after all) < 1307088342 78781 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LSL is TC < 1307088359 259735 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but not in a convenient way, it seems < 1307088393 842066 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, except for bounds on how much memory is accessible, but that's like any real computer < 1307088403 937754 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1307088419 860889 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it has non-fixed-sze lists, loops, if statements, etc. < 1307088456 215603 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somelist += [morestuff]; probably works in the crappy way it looks like, but it still works < 1307088554 878243 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is it just me, or does this require being able to see the stack prior to the most recent function call? < 1307088572 775329 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iiuc you need to be able to follow pointers into the stack to move content to the heap < 1307088587 352770 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you don't need to know the stack format < 1307088613 223191 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LSL doesn't have pointers.. < 1307088624 911615 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit of a problem right there < 1307088638 602213 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about mutable lists? < 1307088640 484887 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, if I replace function calls with gotos, maybe I could deal with it that way < 1307088653 732545 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, does something += [stuff] count as mutable? < 1307088669 156141 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have mutable triplets and quadruplets of floats! (Useless) < 1307088731 775294 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also a goto. It's a bit broken. < 1307088762 324316 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm i think the pointer following is essentially a GC < 1307088785 582269 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking I'd just store all the data and scope stuff in a few globally accessible lists < 1307088796 47813 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And supply functions to get to those < 1307088805 813828 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :make your own heap, check < 1307088817 899983 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't Java technically Turing Complete even though C++, etc arn't? < 1307088843 25184 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: so lists are immutable then? < 1307088850 640174 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1307088854 331147 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell < 1307088872 494115 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1307088900 930626 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: could well be, C/C++ are non-TC for rather stupid pointer-size reasons < 1307088915 416508 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I actually need a heap, can I just have a stack? < 1307088922 681922 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, can anything that low level be TC? < 1307088933 623296 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats Lymia -----###
< 1307088985 263744 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you even _looked_ at some of the formalisms that _are_ TC? :D < 1307089037 673706 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm < 1307089043 759803 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUBLEQ is TC, and far lower level than C. it achieves this by simply not having stupid size bounds on its cell contents. < 1307089055 928972 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to mention subleq too < 1307089064 714609 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1307089082 186255 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is bct low-level at all? < 1307089084 401306 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i mention SUBLEQ because it's also essentially interchangeable int/pointer based) < 1307089107 794004 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i'd say so < 1307089119 341771 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :horribly few abstractions there... < 1307089181 575086 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should really, really figure out why I'm under the impression that my language doesn't need a heap < 1307089209 696219 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :under an impression and you don't know why? ouch < 1307089209 898465 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i am pretty sure i've read several times that general functional programming requires memory layouts which support GC < 1307089247 196724 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(basically once you start throwing higher-order functions around, it becomes frequently impossible to know object lifetimes statically) < 1307089247 564315 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is that in relation to my heap issue? < 1307089274 942338 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my confusion is because I wasn't sure that I'd be GCing anything < 1307089278 709090 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that I'd... hmm < 1307089286 232123 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah. unless you have a very controllable stack (which means you can essentially _use_ it as a heap) < 1307089314 404272 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should really read up on this < 1307089344 832302 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure why it's called a stack. The way I'm imagining it, it would be a stack, but that's only because of nested... scope.. ish < 1307089350 962075 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: there have been experiments on using so-called region inference to determine object lifetime in ML variants to avoid heap. however it's an advanced algorithm to achieve _and_ you sometimes need parts to be in a GC-able heap anyway.) < 1307089355 362668 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-) < 1307089360 339523 :Le_Aragorn!~Le_Aragor@LPuteaux-156-14-50-241.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1307089390 251930 :Le_Aragorn!~Le_Aragor@LPuteaux-156-14-50-241.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1307089408 422909 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what < 1307089454 454374 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it because you traditionally store call frames in a stack < 1307089473 708555 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "stack variables", or whatever they're called, go in the call frames < 1307089478 732684 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1307089480 20807 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pardon me if I'm nonsense < 1307089493 676832 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds reasonable to me < 1307089506 173181 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes sense < 1307089520 890908 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme, because of call/cc, sometimes needs to put call frames on the heap < 1307089543 293182 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't a CPS thing not have call frames as such? < 1307089551 356209 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or am I now misunderstanding "call frame" < 1307089561 968178 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it still would. < 1307089565 139897 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would have closures instead, which essentially contained the same information < 1307089588 545567 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :def a(v0,v1,continuation): continuation(v0); continuation(v1) < 1307089609 75533 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: some dead code at the end there < 1307089639 992416 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in CPS, that is < 1307089652 220342 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: still dead code < 1307089658 84015 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1307089665 930292 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :continuations not returning is pretty much their _definition_ < 1307089666 115170 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does CPS not allow continuations that return? < 1307089670 724303 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1307089672 14507 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehehh < 1307089689 369267 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want it to "return", give it a continuation to which to return < 1307089696 635598 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1307089700 881000 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1307089773 229525 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :take a look at http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?OriginalIoLanguage < 1307089855 543483 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh the amalthea page is gone :( < 1307089921 209139 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh someone's made a new implementation in haskell < 1307089939 938843 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/Ganymede/0.0.0.5/Ganymede.cabal < 1307090308 623521 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (?i)yo dawg, I heard you like (.*?)(e?s)? so we put a \1 in your .*? so you can .*? while you .*?[.!]? < 1307090338 556559 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that e? is a bit tricky since you sometimes want it captured and sometimes not < 1307090391 851170 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:13:57 Yo dawg, I heard you like ZALGO HE WHO WAITS BEHIND THE WALL!!! < 1307090394 985895 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:14:05 < 1307090406 820848 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :insufficient unicode < 1307091217 598584 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1307091640 843183 :Wiz126!~Wiz@24.229.245.72.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1307091776 651193 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-12-14.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307092264 249394 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1307092477 234721 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307093536 988112 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1307093543 710409 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a person with a script that does this: \o/ < 1307093544 392148 :myndzi!myndzi@c-98-247-234-176.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                               | < 1307093544 905404 :myndzi!myndzi@c-98-247-234-176.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                               |\ < 1307093549 643067 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now have a quesion. < 1307093551 254402 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :question* < 1307093557 483116 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What percentage of golfed perl code triggers that? < 1307093693 439245 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was some triggering during the recent deadfish golfing < 1307093818 365962 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1307093934 238697 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-214-146.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1307093941 557013 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-171-180.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307094553 613793 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1307095018 674243 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1307095510 375646 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1307095893 389238 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1307096214 434576 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307096528 69121 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307096585 940731 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blancmange. < 1307096633 309383 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ANantes-259-1-62-249.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we gonna do a Monty Python bit? < 1307096791 656374 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Monty Python once bit my sister < 1307096865 180182 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1307096873 207302 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who needs Monty Python when we have oerjan. < 1307096914 781663 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :INDEED < 1307096940 408904 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :What have Monty Python ever done for us? < 1307097037 227494 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1307097363 39001 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTHING < 1307098688 681787 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooooooh http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/special/educational.html < 1307098710 762336 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1307099123 368816 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1307099947 364565 :sebbu!~azerty@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1307099978 388237 :sebbu!~azerty@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1307100012 878802 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/2391.html how I feel about my project < 1307100039 913729 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1307100142 383499 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1307100308 596180 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, suggest you flip a coin. < 1307101265 462103 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1307101271 615915 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1307102050 591141 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2281-324 < 1307102051 278592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1957 < 1307102138 977595 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1307102617 773290 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-4.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307102632 484855 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-171-180.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1307103374 395379 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1307103734 304863 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307103937 515471 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I just heard that the Norwegian for 'kth' sounds like the Norwegian for 'horny'. < 1307103951 185948 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you ever learn maths over the giggles. < 1307104104 758951 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, maybe they used "nth" instead of "kth"? < 1307104137 395813 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, doing that is almost certainly more trouble than it's worth. < 1307104180 278753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1307104656 81451 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Yes, kåte ~ horny < 1307105642 458610 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1307106281 53350 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!@#$ how did I miss this email? https://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/secondlifescripters/2011-June/006229.html < 1307107090 439701 :MigoMipo_!~John@84-217-12-14.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307107295 927537 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-12-14.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1307107411 378243 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I don't think that's split properly < 1307108615 72111 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1307108622 500816 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1307109075 368658 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1307109134 995271 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307110368 210503 :Kustas!~xix@gprs-inet-65-12.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: back in a few < 1307110658 112680 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is Twittch in my feeds? < 1307110662 857465 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a stupid comic < 1307110677 417446 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think maybe I saw one in a presentation somewhere < 1307111272 38138 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows. < 1307111297 551561 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1307111316 477289 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1307111338 128539 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1307111354 569306 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-4.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1307111359 867549 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-239.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307112888 207750 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just got back from a job interview at Wal-Mart. I think I give them a pretty impression. Mainly because I'm not a meth addict. < 1307113070 122722 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1307113768 479991 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol pretty impression < 1307113773 95821 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I was very cute. < 1307114041 568374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307114306 526503 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you wouldn't have been if you were a meth addict < 1307114503 601195 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1307114530 433445 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1307114585 295292 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1307114650 966424 :Plazma!~Plazma@freenode/staff/plazma PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1307114828 435906 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1307115659 864088 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm all for going against the mainstream, but that should NOT be a language's main pitch < 1307115662 464826 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.eiffel.com/general/awareness/try_eiffel.html < 1307115702 417617 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eiffel: the language of hipsters. < 1307115716 538894 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Named, of course, after the tower in the city of hipsters. < 1307115718 820685 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is eiffel? I heard it had more sensical types than java < 1307115755 810192 :Tritonio!~TrT@athedsl-23627.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1307116435 589060 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't helped but be overwhelmed by the buzz buzz buzz BS on the Eiffel site < 1307116442 973922 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet, I know I'm going to look into it < 1307116446 839367 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again < 1307116536 708270 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that site ... does not look like the site of anything good < 1307116601 342649 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :those developers have the most :colbert: expression < 1307116627 168350 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-colbert.gif < 1307116651 957549 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 . < 1307116771 603598 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin < 1307117053 58929 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Completely object-oriented approach. Eiffel is a full-fledged application of object technology, not a "hybrid" of O-O and traditional concepts. < 1307117056 27799 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, no thanks. < 1307117104 305892 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :we wouldn't want those nasty functions and top-level non-object things messing up our "object technology." < 1307117254 496223 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name of the class is HELLO. Any class may contain "features"; HELLO has just one, called make. The create clause indicates that make is a "creation procedure", that is to say an operation to be executed at class instantiation time. The class could have any number of creation procedures. < 1307117262 990112 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, so now I get to memorize non-standard constructor names. < 1307117529 707105 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :In modeling terms, client roughly represents the relation "has" and heir roughly represents "is". For example we may use Eiffel classes to model a certain system and express that every child has a birth date (client relation) and is a person (inheritance). < 1307117538 716510 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"roughly" as in "exactly the same thing" < 1307118804 27753 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh god < 1307118807 602019 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've run out of Futurama. < 1307118839 144416 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, there's a season 6. < 1307119658 415679 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.109 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1307120180 176367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, Slashdot is down, except for the homepage < 1307120187 380210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when logged in, at least < 1307120946 135717 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-239.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1307120950 757172 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-61.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307122803 738807 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1307123689 979301 :Kustas!~xix@gprs-inet-65-48.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1307123720 746735 :Tritonio!~TrT@athedsl-23627.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1307124344 133803 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1307125152 600026 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307125161 915945 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:35:06 I can't helped but be overwhelmed by the buzz buzz buzz BS on the Eiffel site < 1307125165 89329 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:35:13 And yet, I know I'm going to look into it < 1307125176 78918 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus we realized that Sgeo is a moth < 1307126036 619228 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307127901 209873 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott i need you < 1307129077 149166 :sebbu!~azerty@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1307129103 382886 :sebbu!~azerty@ADijon-152-1-61-52.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1307129103 582131 :sebbu!~azerty@ADijon-152-1-61-52.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1307129103 582217 :sebbu!~azerty@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1307129272 863917 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307129521 725085 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"people need to stop miss-using the concept of double standard. < 1307129521 887432 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boys and girls are different. Treating them differently is NOT a double standard." — Reddit commentor. < 1307129583 608128 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure everyone has a fascinating opinion on this < 1307129590 875438 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's hear them ppl? < 1307129623 737383 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ate too much cheese < 1307129637 223536 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did *not* eat too much cheese < 1307129655 494301 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you should probably talk to Gregor about that. < 1307129756 940948 :Kustas!~xix@gprs-inet-65-48.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: continue some other time < 1307130340 453235 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :house is... operating on himself < 1307130373 367106 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been waiting for this for years < 1307130394 278264 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Houses all the way down. < 1307130774 753095 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new season is prolly the best sofar < 1307130795 963313 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again that's how series always work < 1307131206 858721 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307131661 766036 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, yes, of course. < 1307132091 815804 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Nobody sane is arguing for complete and utter ignorance of real distinctions. < 1307132112 896956 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Just calling out real double standards that exist in our culture. < 1307132179 772133 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i don't doubt that everyone here (except me) has a very nice and neat opinion. i'm just currently extremely bored with this topic family. < 1307132194 438270 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so any opinion irks me to some extent. < 1307132196 664471 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not really < 1307132222 44039 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I wasn't really looking for opinions beyond "what an idiot". < 1307132243 604711 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well i'm scared easily! < 1307132268 482254 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, don't look behind you, then. < 1307132281 756191 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please don't do that :D < 1307132285 578359 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That person is a moron. < 1307132293 175492 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Happy? < 1307132297 186197 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yep. < 1307132298 271595 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover is always happy < 1307132310 962255 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, content enough. < 1307132311 865037 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, except for when sshc is around. < 1307132330 248633 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not that familiar with sshc < 1307132337 611048 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the fuck is that elliott BITCH < 1307132345 694324 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries new approach
< 1307132363 55870 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :called the classic oklopol approach < 1307132506 194124 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. E17 is still in development? I think it's trying to beat DNF or something. < 1307132529 859939 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :E17? < 1307132629 836160 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enlightenment, version 17. < 1307132646 590838 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Began development in 2000. < 1307132652 427933 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still not released. < 1307132656 769219 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as bad as Project Xanadu. < 1307132663 568198 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's older than my parents. < 1307132733 757059 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though at least it's not complete vaporware; SVN snapshots are readily available... < 1307132747 130800 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Along the way, it's gotten severe feature-creep. < 1307132774 774704 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last I checked, it managed to turn into a full DE with its own widget library. < 1307132868 824671 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1307133862 727593 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307133873 478685 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PART :#esoteric < 1307134086 130060 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1307135049 414014 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1307135306 973728 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307135328 589646 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1307135624 543420 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a Nexuiz controversy? (It is mentioned in the logs, but now I don't know a lot about it) < 1307135878 222608 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesterday I quit when sleeping, after coppro wrote "[touch screens] have a wider range of input than a mouse [...]" and no answer yet. I can say, yes it may have sometimesm multitouch (and maybe even pressure-sensitive), but I think in most cases that would not be so useful (there are cases where it helps). < 1307135919 488244 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a LOT of fingers so it's nice to be able to use them all. < 1307135932 532250 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many fingers do you have oko. < 1307135942 198474 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Ten? Or more? < 1307135950 823789 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude i don't spend my days counting fingers < 1307135967 640427 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what if you want to count things. < 1307135970 886084 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but let's just say one digit is not enough to count my digits. < 1307136015 345324 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much total do you think you get if you multiply together the number of fingers on each person's left hand in the world? < 1307136019 585293 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... it is rumored that none have yet seen all of any oklo's fingers < 1307136036 440761 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1307136056 775194 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number of oko's fingers is not computable. < 1307136069 605628 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor is it comprehensible < 1307136072 329335 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :With keyboard/mouse, you can do most things with keyboard (especially if you can type fast), and even push multiple keys at once, and you can have some things that can be operated by keyboard or mouse, depending on what you are doing; you can use multiple mouse buttons (and even hover), and you can use keys and mouse at same time < 1307136074 331630 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: good one lololol < 1307136079 259095 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get it < 1307136096 250028 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: You get what? < 1307136152 553468 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you know that 0 joke < 1307136171 736647 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was funny because it was true < 1307136370 476967 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1307136703 23754 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is elliott. < 1307136709 961603 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps he has been kidnapped by aliens. < 1307136737 126307 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1307136781 583931 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps elliott was kidnapped by elliott. < 1307136995 48339 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. by aliens < 1307137059 829172 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure? < 1307137076 837927 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1307137081 336335 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good. < 1307137092 50038 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the aliens don't want us to know < 1307137101 787009 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't the reason. < 1307137402 609949 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1307137435 188583 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason is that I am an alien and my alien intel tells me that he was kidnapped by werewolves. < 1307138142 709819 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. I think elliott was kidnapped by elliott. < 1307138229 999230 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks the phase of the moon.
< 1307138242 578676 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe elliott is a werewolf hivemind that staged its own kidnapping < 1307138254 728713 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very slightly past new. < 1307138262 865788 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's clearly a cowerewolf. < 1307138284 420528 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or wait, the phase is shifted by pi, so he's a -werewolf. < 1307138409 995366 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those pesky antiwerewolves < 1307138459 163377 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as bad as the tanwerewolves. < 1307138471 120877 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1307138526 659716 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They go from normal to infinitely wolfy as the moon approaches the first quarter, then turn infinitely antiwolfy and increase to normality. < 1307138649 559092 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cosecantwolf otoh is a very pathetic creature. < 1307138697 907041 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-were- < 1307138751 507312 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nothing compared to the 1/werewolf. < 1307138802 828417 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alpha's alternate form for cosec: -(2 sin(x))/(cos(2 x)-1) < 1307138901 394439 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you bite a cowerewolf, it turns permanently into a cohuman < 1307139084 896061 :MigoMipo_!~John@84-217-12-14.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1307139088 876732 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone not have a Dropbox account and want one? < 1307139332 173922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1307139466 624858 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a Dropbox account and I want one inasmuch as I have no reason not to want one. < 1307140478 596015 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need one < 1307140640 627234 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1307141202 486476 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 /r/askscience < 1307141529 925560 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally, something Sgeo said that I can agree with. < 1307141702 878742 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that kind of like /r/ on 4chan? < 1307141712 744531 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no. < 1307141716 366936 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a subreddit. < 1307141723 118993 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dedicated to questions about science. < 1307141791 833707 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: All subreddits are of form www.reddit.com/r/subreddit < 1307141842 263078 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay. < 1307141864 238716 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's no porn involved? Suddenly I lost interest. < 1307141888 23526 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, FWIW, conservation laws arise from fundamental symmetries of models, so I am highly suspect of RobotRollCall's claim. < 1307141896 929966 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*suspicious < 1307141936 577932 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't trust RobotRollCall? < 1307141938 297233 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has a sad
< 1307141973 651058 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, she's definitely been wrong at least once before, but that was on a rather minor point. < 1307142088 763884 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wikipedias time-translation symmetry
< 1307142090 138791 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :son, I am disappoint. < 1307142191 212390 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION still doesn't understand
< 1307142219 432987 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand Noether's whole symmetry stuff, although it's firmly on my list of Science I Need To Understand Some Day. < 1307142318 943114 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know whether to tell RRC that I still don't understand, or just wikipedia < 1307142388 316452 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy#Noether.27s_theorem < 1307142410 257125 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307142423 668390 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello elliott_ what is it like being a -werewolf. < 1307142441 344644 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1307142492 744643 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Read the logs if you wonder what these things means please < 1307142505 335300 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:13:01: Why can't I do first-class continuations without CPS? < 1307142505 508874 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:22:33: LSL does, in fact, have a goto < 1307142505 671002 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:22:38: This would have been good to remember. < 1307142507 244798 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh < 1307142510 487057 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail < 1307142571 820577 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, it was just a matter of having more options and not forgetting about them. I had to vaguely wonder if goto was useful, but since I didn't remember that they were present, that option, which I now don't consider likely to be useful, was closed off to me. < 1307142584 292301 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: he'll work his way down I'm sure. :) < 1307143050 68870 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you take the sine harmonics that make up a triangle wave, and do them with square waves instead of sine waves < 1307143057 683819 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah wrong window < 1307143083 617735 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am I even in here anymore < 1307143084 354433 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PART :#esoteric < 1307143109 673929 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the.... sine harmonics? oh... right. < 1307143279 72083 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure if you took the harmonics of a triangle wave and turned them into square waves you would end up with a really awful tone.. < 1307143295 954957 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Triangle wavewerewolf. < 1307143312 445169 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey, it would be spectrally dense. Which is useful. < 1307143528 783809 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly wareya left to avoid this biting criticism. < 1307143590 55039 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um would it actually? < 1307143630 97067 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it depends on what he meant by "do them with square waves" < 1307143661 232106 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed he meant replacing every sine component with a square component of the same frequency < 1307143683 389921 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I assume he means substitute the sine component with a square wave in time domain. A triangle wave has all odd harmonics that roll off as the multiple increases. Square wave also has odd harmonics but with less rolloff < 1307143716 899168 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, so wouldn't the combination have m*n harmonics for m, n odd < 1307143729 990710 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1307143769 304263 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :each odd harmonic would be transformed into all of the odd multiples of itself. < 1307143779 954270 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, I'm guessing, has a very noisy quality to it overall. < 1307143812 770158 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, there might be so overlap on the m*n actually. < 1307143815 691873 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*some < 1307143849 120091 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t odd < 1307143849 282224 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um yes but you still get only odd ones < 1307143849 805835 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Integral a) => a -> Bool < 1307143916 245617 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm... well, do you? You're taking odd multiples of each odd triangle harmonic. So it would be "shifted" in relation to the odd harmonics of the original triangle wave. Is that still "all odd harmonics" then? < 1307143948 966709 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..forgive me if that's a dumb question. :P < 1307143974 616428 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (>>=) < 1307143975 312261 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a b. (Monad m) => m a -> (a -> m b) -> m b < 1307143975 545675 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um shifting doesn't change the frequency < 1307144001 910368 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or erm < 1307144013 796945 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiples of odd numbers are odd < 1307144022 142642 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right. < 1307144034 485492 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically you would get.... a really loud square wave I think? < 1307144034 758850 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*products < 1307144040 325323 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or pseudo-square wave. < 1307144041 849354 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1307144201 854415 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> odds >>= (\x -> foldl1 (*) (repeat x) (take 5 odds) where odds = filter odd [1..] < 1307144202 578435 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `where' < 1307144223 327099 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let odds = filter odd [1..] in odds >>= (\x -> foldl1 (*) (repeat x) (take 5 odds) < 1307144224 16446 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation) < 1307144227 791537 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1307144236 745141 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should never try to program Haskell on the fly. < 1307144242 230189 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, right now anyways. < 1307144250 757572 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :missing ) < 1307144261 863430 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let odds = filter odd [1..] in odds >>= (\x -> foldl1 (*) (repeat x) (take 5 odds)) < 1307144262 26090 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, odds = [1,3 ..] < 1307144262 551885 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Real.Integral ([a] -> [b])) < 1307144262 714173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `... < 1307144268 369902 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah yes. < 1307144283 474446 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, I need to go. < 1307144298 421256 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL INVESTIGATE THIS FURTHER WHEN I HAVE MADE A SIGNAL PROCESSING LIBRARY IN HASKELL. < 1307144308 529009 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1307144319 142792 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAREYA HAS RETURNED TO STAND TRIAL < 1307144429 117822 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya: so what kind of waveform do you get when you substitute the harmonics of a triangle wave with all of its odd harmonics (a.k.a. turn the sine wave into a square wave) < 1307144496 959141 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think it's an amplified triangle-like or square-like wave, since it still has odd components. < 1307144530 71516 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hungary, I have decided, is unfairly cool. < 1307144530 234025 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same kind of waveform as when you do the other way around, with substituting the harmonics that make up a square wave with triangles < 1307144604 863301 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try it, see what happen, then!! < 1307144621 682919 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make both the mathematical formulas, the graph, and the sound. < 1307144775 791094 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wat. < 1307144874 190229 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya: it would have a kind of reverse roll-off effect, where higher harmonics are louder than the lower onces. < 1307144949 561093 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, many of the higher ones end up canceling eachother out < 1307144990 274695 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that happen? < 1307145019 804141 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're out of phase < 1307145042 549536 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaah. < 1307145141 7784 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, now that my curiosity is abated. I must go now. Bye. < 1307145397 919560 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds