< 1307145937 655162 :CakeProphet!~adam@h220.52.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307145937 854638 :CakeProphet!~adam@h220.52.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1307145937 855325 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1307146257 219815 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/hqw18/people_of_earth/c1xm35t < 1307146259 454767 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1307146444 766323 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1307146686 445201 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1307146780 189591 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1307147982 319411 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to give http://www.drchinese.com/David/EPR_Bell_Aspect.htm a read, on the recommendation of someone in /r/sciencefaqs < 1307148019 958350 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOT distrusts the site for some reason < 1307148323 412708 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just went there its got viruses dont go < 1307148327 18870 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1307148409 356705 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1307148440 193026 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you're being sarcastic < 1307148574 349882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1307148656 116740 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1307148657 698920 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its really bad < 1307148658 675402 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1307148660 258444 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theyre all over my computer < 1307148700 26167 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1307148905 277812 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(it must be simple because I did it!" < 1307149102 515056 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/hqwhh/steven_wolfram_is_extremely_smart_but_kind_of_a/ < 1307149115 7706 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is possibly the greatest understatement ever made. < 1307149132 993177 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god Feynman sent a letter to him. < 1307149138 700603 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah its amazing < 1307149147 835330 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hitler is extremely charismastic but kind of a jerk < 1307149160 535081 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lettersofnote.com/2010/06/you-dont-understand-ordinary-people.html < 1307149174 62698 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feynman: now my favourite person. < 1307149184 999480 :CakeProphet!~adam@72.18.98.94 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307149185 497124 :CakeProphet!~adam@72.18.98.94 QUIT :Changing host < 1307149185 659538 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1307149199 176765 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, behold http://www.lettersofnote.com/2010/06/you-dont-understand-ordinary-people.html < 1307149213 985149 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RPF;ht is the best signature. < 1307149232 960239 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I should point out ais' experience with him. < 1307149291 648393 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has ais actually met Wolfram? < 1307149308 134257 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, some people in the comments are implying that Feynman's letter insinuates that women are non-technical, but I can't actually see that in the letter. < 1307149310 29634 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I missing something? < 1307149337 421704 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Find a way to do your research with as little contact with non-technical people as possible, with one exception, fall madly in love!" < 1307149353 669776 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see, people are assuming that when Feynman says "fall madly in love", he means with a female, and that his "exception" doesn't mean "don't /limit/ yourself to technical people" but "/only/ consider non-technical people". < 1307149355 733805 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could read it that way. < 1307149369 70996 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So heterosexism + reading comprehension failure. < 1307149370 100685 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome. < 1307149524 7314 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1307149625 208041 :CakeProphet!~adam@72.18.98.94 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307149625 370421 :CakeProphet!~adam@72.18.98.94 QUIT :Changing host < 1307149625 370527 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1307150424 500616 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1307150609 321630 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION builds sabotage... < 1307150675 130297 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, incidentally, has a pretty awesome build setup. < 1307150737 94266 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what an eigenfunction or eigenvalue is < 1307150743 474427 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EPR refers pretty heavily to those < 1307151277 919462 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eigenfunction? Context? < 1307151679 955335 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1307151800 269067 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1307151891 487 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, http://www.drchinese.com/David/EPR.pdf < 1307151896 284461 :CakeProphet!~adam@72.18.98.94 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307151896 549486 :CakeProphet!~adam@72.18.98.94 QUIT :Changing host < 1307151896 712114 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1307151900 755270 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Einstein et. al's paper < 1307151978 165409 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Aaaah*, it's a generalisation of the concept of eigenvector. < 1307152018 720409 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1307152022 291252 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Long story short: you should have gone to a better college and took linear algebra. < 1307152039 903247 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to gloss over the math in these papers < 1307152339 520757 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I understand EPR right: If you have two previously interacting systems, and measure, say, position of one, and velocity of the other, you could use the math from the former to get the position of the other as well, therefore.... something? < 1307152460 277178 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: good joke < 1307152498 180780 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Okay, okay, *real answer*. < 1307152504 943845 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You should learn linear algebra. < 1307152642 127945 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wikis EPR paradox < 1307152668 880124 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I vaguely got my understanding correct < 1307153284 888508 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Vactrain < 1307153286 173818 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants < 1307153376 955550 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https lol < 1307153381 77575 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much would a vactrain ride cost? < 1307153381 593952 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SECRET WIKIPEDIA BROWSING < 1307153386 874097 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: five thousand nines < 1307153398 253388 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BUT WHAT IF THE WINDOW BREAKS AND THE VACUUM GETS INTO THE TRAIN < 1307153399 512978 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE'LL ALL DIE < 1307153474 515562 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea how long it currently takes to get from NY to London < 1307153477 463378 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor what the cost is < 1307153484 41103 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't travel much < 1307153489 556288 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-212.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307153663 991901 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it takes 9 time intervals < 1307153679 120693 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps elliott < 1307153694 198227 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :q < 1307153700 72756 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-61.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1307154171 242072 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1307154909 963020 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1307155032 569748 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1307155066 688963 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1307155092 142955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1307155209 467475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1307155214 779570 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307155455 292389 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1307155918 581928 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: cant see a thing < 1307156105 752845 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307156966 558981 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1307157756 198918 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Manually updated up to strip #2800." < 1307157757 402211 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Booooo < 1307157859 943019 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1307157865 158757 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, iwc < 1307157880 508283 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's only two hundred and fifty more strips than that... < 1307157976 609833 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, i was going to note that http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/2000.html missed MSPA, but I remember /reading/ this iwc strip and it predates the beginning of problem sleuth by two months :) < 1307159978 217293 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't get it < 1307160322 86417 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its sgeo < 1307160340 57785 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, Irregular Webcomic's list of educational strips < 1307161116 354433 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... okay? < 1307161123 897887 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://irregularwebcomic.net/special/educational.html < 1307162361 388537 :CakeProphet!~adam@72.18.98.94 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307162368 40892 :CakeProphet!~adam@72.18.98.94 QUIT :Changing host < 1307162368 203215 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1307162429 862645 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1307162496 688874 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The [[Talk:Condit]] article probably ought to be corrected some more < 1307162612 641299 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: why did you vote against your own proposals < 1307162623 260817 :comex!~comex@comex.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you pay attention to Agora? < 1307162635 142875 :comex!~comex@comex.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm in an anti-legislation mood < 1307162643 531371 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: i vote occasionally < 1307162650 575107 :comex!~comex@comex.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also because everyone's votes are probably invalid, since they don't specify two options < 1307162661 970382 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: that's inevitably going to be ratified away < 1307162666 780857 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why haven't we fixed that yet? < 1307162676 323811 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: cuz we're all lazy fucks < 1307162683 535288 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a proposal that fixes it and ratifies everything as working :P < 1307162695 705119 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we can all vote PRESENT/FOR on it < 1307162697 897362 :comex!~comex@comex.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I didn't distribute the proposal until today < 1307162698 177453 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1307162700 880013 :comex!~comex@comex.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I forgot about it < 1307162703 481276 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just ratify that it all works after the proposal < 1307162710 199565 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you actually can't vote at all < 1307162710 729764 :comex!~comex@comex.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :liek I said in ##nomic, Wooble should take over promotor < 1307162713 319880 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the worst case < 1307162714 867900 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then... < 1307162716 552081 :comex!~comex@comex.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I have no chance of being speaker :( < 1307162717 897552 :comex!~comex@comex.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1307162726 297868 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll take over < 1307162726 984863 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: ill be promoter ill be the best promotorwe < 1307162737 203229 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill format every distribution differently < 1307162743 66448 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ascii art always < 1307162743 510619 :comex!~comex@comex.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Murphy will love that < 1307162747 250778 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1307162748 971240 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be the best < 1307162764 266734 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think murphy probably has a paste-in-reasonably-formatted-votes script for assessor stuff < 1307162770 852032 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is partially why i'm voting in lunatic formats < 1307162777 891258 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im a huge big stinky jerk < 1307163234 859338 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should start voting < 1307163810 623948 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I STILL FEEL AWKWARD < 1307163856 808429 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: about waht... < 1307163868 615129 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same thing I was talking about May 21st < 1307163880 104458 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are expecting me to logread for a simple answer < 1307163880 267797 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307163886 196807 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean obviously i will but < 1307163901 39842 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talking to someone about a girl he recently broke up with < 1307163911 273749 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly i don't want to know any more < 1307163926 922662 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i never did to start with, but i had a bit of morbid curiosity that has just become sort of morbid dread so never mind < 1307164233 311953 :Kustas!~xix@gprs-inet-65-18.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1307164275 411119 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1307164278 913905 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it help if I say that he seems to be encouraging me to talk to her? < 1307164316 550069 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing helps the pain < 1307164319 669705 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTHINGGGGGGGGG < 1307164389 279223 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1307164476 952888 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't I find the page I was just looking at? < 1307164540 375279 :Kustas!~xix@gprs-inet-65-18.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a history list, you can find it < 1307164618 381092 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant find which tab it was open it < 1307164620 618003 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*open in < 1307164949 947535 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the concept of photon polarization is confusing me < 1307164995 235977 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hmm < 1307165124 987313 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the example doesn't actually matter whether it's possible that a case can occur or not, just that < 1307165405 749933 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LYAH is now available as a hardcover book? < 1307165406 815206 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1307165416 97335 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no its only available in wool-bound form < 1307165419 704594 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheepcover < 1307165435 332918 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is this surprising < 1307165447 757847 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was online-only < 1307165457 595438 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes then it got published < 1307165631 905522 :qwerty!~azerty@ADijon-152-1-61-52.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1307165645 121608 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwerty azerty < 1307165667 772282 :qwerty!~azerty@ADijon-152-1-61-52.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr NICK :Guest97961 < 1307165769 803009 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone on who knows pl/sql? < 1307165850 964195 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :p < 1307165854 995427 :sebbu!~azerty@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1307165855 512979 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1307165857 443295 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant no < 1307166686 867040 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://digitallife.today.com/_news/2011/06/03/6778320-nsfw-zomg-and-twittersphere-added-to-dictionary < 1307166742 606362 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1307166765 534386 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Twittersphere" seems a bit objectionable as it's more of a brand name term, but... < 1307166779 393143 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :breadcrumb trail - (on a website) a series of hyperlinks displayed at the top of a web page, indicating the page's position in the overall structure of the site < 1307166779 555304 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this wasn't already in? huh < 1307166781 848982 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh, neither was infographic < 1307166788 634393 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nekkid- (of a person) naked: some of the oldest photos in existence are of nekkid women" < 1307166789 833533 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :best example < 1307166795 280543 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok yeah this isn't actually that interesting < 1307166816 789138 :Guest97961!~azerty@ADijon-152-1-61-52.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1307166823 255803 :sebbu!~azerty@ADijon-152-1-61-52.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1307166823 418375 :sebbu!~azerty@ADijon-152-1-61-52.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1307166823 418530 :sebbu!~azerty@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1307168990 976744 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.195 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1307170491 181385 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds Benadryl pills from 2006 < 1307170634 406464 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307170754 510514 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything I'm reading says that at worst, it's likely to be useless < 1307170831 882240 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need Benadryl pills, then you should purchase more, then. That way it won't be useless. < 1307170864 958276 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll just take a melatonin < 1307170901 345943 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use that if it helps, then < 1307173253 712295 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1307173714 866637 :Kustas!~xix@gprs-inet-65-18.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: outing < 1307174059 735262 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-231.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307174064 575516 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-212.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1307174794 858876 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-238.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307175375 205903 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1307176795 917349 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a GameBoy game fitting in less than 4 KB (still more than that 1 KB breakout game, however). It has 256 levels, which can be played in any order. < 1307176913 651975 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the file can still be shortened, though, while still keeping the same rules and levels of the game < 1307178648 829261 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1307178726 918761 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-238.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1307181175 529724 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-52.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1307181175 692701 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-52.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1307181175 692815 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1307181359 189184 :sebbu!~azerty@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1307181663 136957 :Slereah!~Slereah@ANantes-259-1-55-82.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1307181764 631439 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ANantes-259-1-62-249.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1307181815 721755 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-231.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1307181820 945865 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-235-59.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307183533 332003 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1307183724 738191 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1307184705 603894 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1307185000 61375 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307185958 670235 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1307186073 972909 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1307186508 254447 :showstopper!~yannic@unaffiliated/showstopper JOIN :#esoteric < 1307187915 414687 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-1-166.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307188393 421613 :showstopper!~yannic@unaffiliated/showstopper QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1307188567 576804 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307188896 579076 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1307189509 944735 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1307189702 178496 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Client Quit < 1307189984 256382 :kidpoker82!~kidpoker8@151.61.168.216 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307190006 575424 :kidpoker82!~kidpoker8@151.61.168.216 PART :#esoteric < 1307190376 414419 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1307190465 897481 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1307190906 527514 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307191002 778846 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1307191156 77348 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, RRC's point was essentially that time-translation symmetry doesn't hold because the universe is expanding. < 1307191156 274832 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1307191193 192712 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1307192006 358131 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/O32j1.png < 1307192013 61931 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram, you continue to outdo yourself. < 1307192080 972355 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1307192144 558886 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get that when I put that into WA < 1307192155 638543 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=how+smart+is+stephen+wolfram%3F < 1307193206 510065 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, me neither. < 1307193337 79435 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I am sliding over the boredom event horizon. < 1307193535 541906 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, go code something! < 1307193537 929498 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1307193558 239437 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DO YOU MOCK MY DISABILITY < 1307193635 550961 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh I didn't know it was a disability. I thought it was a blessing < 1307193664 706560 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I wish had the power to NOT implement all the things I think of < 1307193701 900452 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disability? < 1307193721 49466 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: *lack of ability < 1307193746 750605 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: haha, I mock you < 1307193801 837729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://i.imgur.com/O32j1.png <-- pretty sure that one is faked yeah < 1307193803 603055 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, the way my perfectionism and my inability to pay attention to anything for any length of time makes me incapable of writing a program that takes more than around an hour. < 1307193805 315057 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun though < 1307194700 248188 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, Eiffel does the ... is there a formal name for not having idiotic nulls? < 1307194722 862211 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1307194899 253702 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or not, I actually haven't read the thing < 1307194982 527506 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1307194993 555911 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, "idiotic nulls"? < 1307194997 907813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, what do you mean < 1307195010 934112 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mean null references as opposed to Maybe/option < 1307195012 150720 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1307195030 805693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1307195067 333249 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, I could you could argue that all pointers in C are implicitly of a Maybe-like type < 1307195160 432762 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I made an imperative CPU architecture I would probably make access to virtual page 0 "hard-wired" to cause an exception/trap. < 1307195192 774234 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has to see if there's an Eiffel web framework < 1307195242 357193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, what paradigm is Eiffel now again? imperative OOP? < 1307195261 149568 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, not sure, that sounds about right though < 1307195290 738448 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, which sort of OOP? C++/java/C#-style? smalltalk/objc-style? Something else? < 1307195384 361354 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "style". I'm not that familiar with Eiffel, but I think it's single-dispatch (which afaik all of the ones you listed are), statically typed *(which doesn't make sense to me as an "OOP" style, but is un-Smalltalk-like) < 1307195422 748400 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1307195528 713243 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, well from what I understood, smalltalk and objc uses the concept of sending objects messages, while C++, java and so on treats it as calling functions of a object. Of course they are pretty much equivalent on a lower level. < 1307195550 758915 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :however I should point out I don't know much smalltalk or objc, so I may be misinformed about this < 1307195551 320781 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Not sure which one Eiffel is. < 1307195623 72521 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-235-59.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1307195625 336955 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-251-172.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307195659 646169 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, you mentioned "single-dispatch", what other options are there? < 1307195690 693687 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like CLOS or Slate, where the method called depends on several of the arguments < 1307195716 850568 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_dispatch ? < 1307195718 858458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah sounds interesting. I mostly used scheme, not so much common lisp < 1307195736 587109 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, yes < 1307195758 243304 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lee.fov120.com/ecoop.pdf a paper advocating for "prototype multiple dispatch" < 1307196020 181385 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How simple is SCOOP? It requires only a single new keyword: separate." < 1307196034 451786 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... I don't think you can measure simplicity by amount of new keywords < 1307196046 573071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you beat me to that remark < 1307196048 299952 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2006/10/31/20640/115 < 1307196072 760144 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1307196149 540820 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo_, RRC's point was essentially that time-translation symmetry doesn't hold because the universe is expanding. < 1307196182 988484 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc put another way, general relativity does not have a concept of globally conserved energy < 1307196200 557940 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION downloads EiffelStudio < 1307196221 408318 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1307196297 977816 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you only want to evaluate EiffelStudio for future projects please download our Evaluation Edition. < 1307196298 155585 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1307196299 701106 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1307196307 644777 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(looking at the GPL download page) < 1307196330 260236 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Wolfram, you continue to outdo yourself. < 1307196377 836301 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might be a _teeny_ chance he is exaggerating his own personality for marketing purposes < 1307196480 57688 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't get that when I put that into WA < 1307196481 546427 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1307196488 948145 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307196511 318250 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, Pointer = Null | Pointer Integer? < 1307196572 193918 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is this thing about to install EiffelStudio 6.7? < 1307196599 317922 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, that's the latest release < 1307196606 102343 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I allowed to be sad by it not having SCOOPS? < 1307196678 458640 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok obviously it's fake, wolfram would never settle for having 20 million above him... < 1307196704 864 :Kustas!~xix@gprs-inet-65-44.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1307196704 992197 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1307196716 586161 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1307196722 72306 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats his reading comprehension -----### < 1307196780 413837 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah, he'd never settle having over 300 above him. < 1307197428 167836 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eiffel's "Why use Eiffel" stuff is a very good example of how much marketingspeak you can fit into a few documents < 1307197437 518815 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.eiffel.com/book/why-eiffel/eiffel-two-minute-fact-sheet < 1307197467 742882 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The platforms covered range from Unix (all of Unix, the famous and the arcane) and Linux to OpenVMS, OS/2, Windows 3. 1, Windows NT, Windows 95/98. < 1307197467 906660 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" http://docs.eiffel.com/book/why-eiffel/why-your-next-project-should-use-eiffel < 1307197473 307882 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this may be a little old < 1307197593 706979 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically it's about why your _previous_ project should have used eiffel < 1307197597 752801 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jvoegele.com/software/langcomp.html based on the given answer for C# Higher Order Functions, I'm going to guesss that this page is obsolete < 1307197611 446240 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, heh < 1307197852 661744 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1307197863 995731 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eiffel is contrasting itself with Smalltalk < 1307197885 237078 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to say I think it has a point, but I'm pretty sure it will reveal a failure of mine to really grasp Smalltalk < 1307197902 527205 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In contrast with, say, Smalltalk, you do not read the source code of a class when you want to use it. This may be fine for a couple dozen classes, but not for a large, powerful library." < 1307197908 382940 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.eiffel.com/book/why-eiffel/why-your-next-project-should-use-eiffel#Reusability < 1307198056 974094 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I feel so much animosity towards Eiffel? < 1307198476 684954 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how fun, i slept for something like 15h < 1307198482 2524 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1307198551 183995 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway wolfram's iq led me here: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=penis+length, how are those quantities corresponding exactly? < 1307198653 148647 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1307198666 89205 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you read the page < 1307198868 724378 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is penis length being 504 light-picoseconds unreasonable? < 1307198894 300179 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts 504 light-picoseconds into WA < 1307198921 452091 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=504+light-picoseconds < 1307198928 821192 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks fine to me < 1307198942 868469 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a close enough sense < 1307198984 917198 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EiffelStudio installer compiling libraries takes an eternity < 1307199232 144088 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah i rather misunderstood what those picoseconds were about < 1307199503 408618 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY am I still holding out hope that Eiffel has continuations? It's a profoundly stupid hope < 1307199567 495837 :Kustas!~xix@gprs-inet-65-44.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: sauna < 1307199582 907286 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are a profoundly stupid man, clearly. < 1307199766 858571 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the reason that I'm about to play with Eiffel is that EiffelStudio sounds like it could be a fun IDE < 1307199797 594279 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The installer is _still_ compiling stuff < 1307199798 664655 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does eiffel have towers :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1307199892 964193 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, like the one in the beautiful town of eiffel < 1307199897 167445 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is elliott :\ < 1307199924 201128 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Eiffel gets me to be able to write software with GUIs, it will be worth it < 1307199940 311759 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it's crap, of course < 1307199940 824676 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you want to write a gui < 1307199968 461625 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you can just write inputs in the source code and recompile < 1307200169 544088 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo, EiffelStudio installed < 1307200384 70652 :oklopol!~oklopol@130.232.37.212 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1307200401 465435 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : where is elliott :\ < 1307200403 368419 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Werewolves. < 1307200645 537620 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1307200816 529024 :oddod!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1307200830 597075 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : where is elliott :\ < 1307200831 799039 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Werewolves. < 1307200916 787760 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1307201366 680669 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-251-172.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1307201376 316632 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-243.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307202494 955708 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1307202517 891168 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307202994 945081 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 . < 1307204166 624542 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1307204269 130383 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1307204320 132008 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, SimonRC is still here? < 1307205302 965482 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-243.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good *God* gnulib does nasty things. < 1307205320 141491 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-243.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has special-cased code for poking around in the internals of the libc's FILE. < 1307205328 504581 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-243.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For every known libc. < 1307205642 208424 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1307205665 43121 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bahaha < 1307205666 91886 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great < 1307205673 3864 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what function? < 1307205876 947145 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-243.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freadahead, among other things. < 1307206238 523089 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal, Pointer = Null | Pointer Integer? <-- yes kind of, except that Null is not a separate value from the other range for C < 1307206251 740000 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you define that address (often 0) to be invalid < 1307206769 452471 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Freadahead, among other things. < 1307206781 543728 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this not doable with the Way You're Meant To Do It? < 1307207186 869702 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-243.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not with POSIX. < 1307207710 223518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307207976 228431 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307208014 308678 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it do? < 1307208288 177303 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307208489 452504 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What /doesn't/ it do? It slices, it dices, it purees and it resolidifies, breaking the laws of thermodynamics. < 1307208843 37425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I have no man page for freadahead, what on earth does it do? I looked at gnulib source and that didn't help much at all < 1307208878 73536 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem to load more stuff ahead < 1307208889 649412 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, does it return size of IO buffers? < 1307209453 185356 :CakeProphet!~adam@h204.3.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307209453 557530 :CakeProphet!~adam@h204.3.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1307209453 718594 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1307209593 816357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, remember when everyone here mocked me for saying I was entering a Pokémon championship, and saying I had no chance? < 1307209604 251355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the UK national Pokémon (video game) championships was today, and I came top 8 < 1307209635 648366 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-243.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/include/stdlib.h:96:1: error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before ‘__BEGIN_NAMESPACE_STD’ < 1307209638 953712 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-243.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wut. < 1307209781 631281 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-243.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Nice. < 1307209926 791672 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It looks to me like it'd return the amount of stuff there are in the buffers that you can fread without having to actually do IO. < 1307210163 785958 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the UK national Pokémon (video game) championships was today, and I came top 8 < 1307210168 270111 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, we told you so. < 1307210187 579064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :top 8 in a nationals is enough to qualify for the world championships, but I don't plan to go < 1307210212 909216 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? < 1307210235 44578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't understand < 1307210294 43950 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nice! < 1307210314 652107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1307210327 355571 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Top 8 means you didn't win, in accordance with our (well, not my) prediction, and your opting out of the world championships demonstrates that you subconsciously agree. < 1307210341 355413 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Phantom_Hoover  < 1307210459 133183 :oddod!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, if you're not #1, you might just as well kill yourself, or alternatively everyone above you in the ranking. < 1307210463 789514 :oddod!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi NICK :oklopol < 1307210465 304658 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1307210480 196950 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mirc sucks < 1307210592 265642 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-243.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking hell, it should not be this difficult to get an i686 cross-compiler. < 1307211052 158099 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, foton < 1307211060 552858 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fotons! < 1307211087 410651 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :First demonstrated experimentally by the fotoelectric effect. < 1307211117 761022 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, what the question is talking about is a bit beyond me < 1307211122 211894 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still < 1307211367 92883 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-243.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, much easier to just go ahead and build a native i686 PCC. < 1307212096 793843 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how many people i'd have to kill to be the best at everything < 1307212131 62602 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1307212139 894997 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1307212140 969285 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages < 1307212147 447783 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be impossible regardless of how many < 1307212166 855373 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ignoring that stupid point < 1307212176 555505 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that THEY'RE THE BEST AT BEING THEMSELVES or whatever < 1307212192 636137 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :skills i consider worth skillin' < 1307212196 830170 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you kill them < 1307212199 807798 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd be better than you < 1307212201 428499 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at being dead < 1307212224 999454 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that < 1307212235 989621 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, one thing is that. < 1307212263 5702 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307212265 920925 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PART :#esoteric < 1307212276 697749 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah ignoring your silliness, i'd have to kill pretty much everyone outside finland and american right away, and most americans too, due to language < 1307212284 707600 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*america < 1307212331 497258 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're saying everyone in Finland is mediocre at everything? < 1307212348 197334 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm saying most finnish people don't know a language better than me < 1307212371 32801 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :many know swedish better than me, but the point is i wouldn't have to kill more than say 50% based solely on that < 1307212389 835741 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas i'd certainly have to kill EVERY CHINESE PERSON < 1307212403 132978 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :each and every one of them, except a few retards < 1307212409 983424 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn to be Chinese and kill yourself < 1307212416 739451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: probably everyone but you < 1307212423 223113 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt that < 1307212430 840246 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know many people who are worse than me at everything < 1307212461 309677 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, measuring only skills i consider worth skillin' < 1307212463 859416 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i specified < 1307212508 778862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see < 1307212513 929502 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Which pokemon generation was it? And which games belonging to that generation? What other rules? < 1307212548 69720 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah it's true there probably aren't many people who are worse than me at everything someone would call a skill < 1307212561 804291 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those people are probably literally braindead < 1307212586 116322 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if, for instance, knowing a single fact is considered a skill :P < 1307212612 192535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: 5th, and Black and White; the rules were no Pokémon that aren't in the Unova Pokédex (i.e. new in Black/White), no Victini/Resihram/Kyurem/Zekrom, double battle, no duplicate items or species, no using Sky Drop (because it's glitched), you take 6 pokémon in your team, you see the species/level/gender of the opponent's 6 then pick 4 of your 6 to battle with < 1307212646 787459 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-243.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrrrm. < 1307212677 89607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :amusingly, people have been banning sky drop in single battles too, even though there's no known way to trigger the glitch there < 1307212677 654754 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-243.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that configure doesn't coöperate with busybox. < 1307212683 716401 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK. (I don't know the Black and White rules) Any rules having to do with items? < 1307212692 712942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no duplicate items, that's it < 1307212699 896165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, as usual in competitive battles, you can't use battles from your bag < 1307212709 344992 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1307212711 376748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to give the items to Pokémon and have their AI use them automatically, and not all items work like that < 1307212712 900268 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean, items from your bag? < 1307212713 63092 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you put a battle in a bag? < 1307212716 539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*can't use items from your bag < 1307212729 480311 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-243.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't make its way through the sanity check. < 1307212749 146336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wow that's a fast failure < 1307212752 458914 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-243.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone got sufficient autoconf foo to tell me why I get this? < 1307212754 998811 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-243.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking whether build environment is sane... configure: error: newly created file is older than distributed files! < 1307212760 984794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: timestamps < 1307212770 291596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the build system has to have timestamps before the current time < 1307212783 158194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else make gets fatally confused < 1307212794 289130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and autoconf is checking for that < 1307212833 771193 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-243.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The timestamps of the source are the UNIX epoch. < 1307212839 738113 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dreamt that my balls were tiny, and that my guitar string snapped and that i downloaded a program < 1307212856 238389 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Are these three things related? < 1307212879 873626 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well all of them are related to what i've been doing irl, masturbating, changing my guitar strings, and planning to download the program in question < 1307212884 346241 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i doubt they are related to each other < 1307212887 65911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and I take it the current time isn't before the epoch? < 1307212897 210145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps busybox test doesn't implement time comparisons, or something < 1307212923 499925 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-243.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Configure doesn't do time comparisons. It does ls -t. < 1307212941 437035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1307212956 117055 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-243.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Whiiich seems to be unimplemented. < 1307213099 47478 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds annoying to code with the Command-Query Separation stuff < 1307213116 34345 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess it does make functions pure < 1307213602 422846 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1307213750 879714 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-243.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I'd just fucked it up a little bit. < 1307214221 83671 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307214263 544841 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307214278 403644 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-243.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1307214491 652047 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very obnoxiously hard to bootstrap with pcc. < 1307214596 644191 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1307214612 978704 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scratch that, "mother-fucking impossible". < 1307214741 257176 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scracth that again, "mother-fucking impossible with GNU utils". < 1307214883 942066 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Client Quit < 1307215157 453273 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scratch that again, "mother-fucking impossible, and why the hell does heirloom need a C++ compiler". < 1307215163 623651 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also "fuck you all". < 1307215202 535226 :atrapado!~rod@217.168.10.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307215842 284679 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everybody and everything sucks, and everybody should be ashamed of themselves. < 1307215904 844737 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1307215919 574864 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1307215951 151244 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially GNU. < 1307216045 556888 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307216183 105927 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1307216192 559492 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU is a bunch of assholes < 1307216278 211742 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LibreOffice's changelog frightens me. < 1307216353 135432 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1307216388 118139 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We brought the build down from 15 hours to 30 minutes". < 1307216390 887043 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This frightens me. < 1307216460 349599 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1307216508 663734 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apparently they cut out giant swaths of *dead code*. < 1307216518 240003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's to be expected < 1307216518 782641 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1307216522 996322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOo was a very legacy codebase < 1307216524 457003 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm impressed < 1307216554 779547 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glad that they're taking the effort to cut out a bunch of bullshit, though. < 1307216896 270367 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who has a bigger ego, the Abrahamic God or Stephen Wolfram? < 1307217751 537062 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram. < 1307217777 609492 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :God doesn't need a big ego, he can just smite anyone who doesn't worship him. < 1307218065 773690 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1307218931 953559 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram. < 1307218941 392118 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Abrahamic deity does not exist, and hence has no ego. < 1307219027 422359 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we consider the fictional character, though, I'd say that deity has a gigantic ego. Making all of everything simply to praise him? That's a feat of ego Wolfram only wishes he'd have thought up. < 1307219159 103239 :norman256394!~norman256@183.83.175.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307219164 739616 :norman256394!~norman256@183.83.175.169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey everyone! < 1307219194 326090 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellote. < 1307219215 177795 :norman256394!~norman256@183.83.175.169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what is this chat room about? < 1307219221 982767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :norman256394: esoteric programming langages < 1307219228 935518 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything with a side helping of esoteric programming languages < 1307219230 902305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, programming languages not often used because they're stupid or impractical < 1307219241 146719 :norman256394!~norman256@183.83.175.169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... < 1307219244 238318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :often deliberately so < 1307219250 969703 :norman256394!~norman256@183.83.175.169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thinking if I came to the right place < 1307219254 832407 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :we also talk about other esoterica < 1307219270 685382 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you're just a curious type, you might want to hang around to learn < 1307219276 225528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: no we don't < 1307219282 150097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just troll people who come in here wanting to talk about it < 1307219282 312665 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes we do < 1307219285 546672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :until they get bored and go away < 1307219289 172731 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :41sup all < 1307219290 537787 :norman256394!~norman256@183.83.175.169 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1307219290 975917 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:48 < Sgeo_> Who has a bigger ego, the Abrahamic God or Stephen Wolfram? < 1307219292 746066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really sure what the point is < 1307219306 475792 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is sort of typical discussion < 1307219319 427482 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :norman256394, this channel is about Eric the Esot < 1307219319 604488 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, arguing about whether we argue about esoterica is very #esoteric < 1307219333 845921 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure that's not what's generally considered esoterica... < 1307219349 940373 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes < 1307219351 400027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :norman256394: I suspect you're in the wrong place, anyway < 1307219358 198107 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in any case, our actual discussions of esoterica are by no means what someone who's interested in it would desire. < 1307219358 428578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and unfortunately, I don't know what the right place is < 1307219365 336003 :norman256394!~norman256@183.83.175.169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah...looks like it. :) < 1307219369 769169 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1307219372 749814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you find out, why not let me know so that I can direct other people there so you can chat with them? < 1307219376 909023 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :see ya, norman256394! < 1307219399 590716 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :norman256394, what were you looking for? < 1307219410 682105 :norman256394!~norman256@183.83.175.169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well...I wanted to talk about software design < 1307219419 834136 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that made a lot more sense when I remembered you're British < 1307219422 417011 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, what sort of software? < 1307219430 541908 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1307219434 415656 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's not around, right? < 1307219438 271603 :norman256394!~norman256@183.83.175.169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :User Interface < 1307219448 635258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I don't think so < 1307219449 756442 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that try maybe #haskell < 1307219461 969622 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: excellent < 1307219465 125113 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're safe from him then < 1307219465 381754 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, elliott would be joining me in a mutual rant on the evils of GNU if he were. < 1307219467 723979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: I'm not sure that's any more appropriate < 1307219476 169276 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: excellent point < 1307219480 126078 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell has gui bindings < 1307219483 702078 :norman256394!~norman256@183.83.175.169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that like another esoteric language < 1307219485 277584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: so? < 1307219487 509240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does Befunge < 1307219494 194267 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh alright < 1307219500 998631 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we talk about befunge gui bindings now? < 1307219509 125081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to < 1307219513 270097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't actually remember what they are < 1307219517 655160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the conversation won't go very far < 1307219519 993633 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dear God, you can't freaking bootstrap a system with pcc! It's not like this is some little-known compiler, it's a high-quality and classic ISO C99 compiler!) < 1307219521 384234 :norman256394!~norman256@183.83.175.169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i was thinking of discussing in a *very* language agnostic way < 1307219531 221732 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of programming paradigms are recommended for programming befunge guis? < 1307219533 829632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: gcc used to be compiler-agnostic < 1307219544 984243 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :norman256394, we sometimes talk about GUIs and stuff < 1307219547 10099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the end, they decided gcc was so widespread that they might as well be specific to it < 1307219548 60809 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: why can't you bootstrap with it? It uses extensions it doesn't implement? < 1307219560 909820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is potentially a dubious decision < 1307219562 395915 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the plan9 interface for example < 1307219577 157303 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can bootstrap PCC itself just fine. < 1307219582 983486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think gcc has successfully managed an E/E/E on C < 1307219584 654350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is worrying < 1307219590 512369 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :E/E/E? < 1307219592 223893 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, you can get musl and PCC up and running without much effort. < 1307219593 954170 :norman256394!~norman256@183.83.175.169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok...I never heard of half of the stuff you guys are talking about. < 1307219594 208809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, other C compilers < 1307219599 232633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: embrace/extend/extinguish < 1307219613 245043 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not much else will actually build with this setup. < 1307219613 922056 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah, yes < 1307219621 636400 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :very much so < 1307219631 978391 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean that gcc is compiler agnostic? < 1307219634 691755 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it ain't the libc doing it. Well, not all of it, as you can generally tweak C stuff into complying. < 1307219636 516519 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we're fighting back < 1307219637 788169 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU are basically software communists. < 1307219646 20443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: same as what it means for any other program to be compiler agnostic < 1307219657 369874 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, is linux communist software? < 1307219670 967248 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ok. < 1307219677 2654 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But good God I couldn't even get fucking *Heirloom* to build with PCC and musl. < 1307219691 354549 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes some noise < 1307219700 215319 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's heirloom? < 1307219712 360496 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :norman256394, what sort of guis did you want to talk about? < 1307219717 644542 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they're esoteric guis. < 1307219721 987560 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Heirloom toolset is a port of the classic UNIX utils to Linux. < 1307219742 231623 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Collected out of BSD and OpenSolaris source, IIRC. < 1307219745 819906 :norman256394!~norman256@183.83.175.169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I was thinking on a very abstract level < 1307219754 101891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: ah, I was wondering "why not just use BSD utils"? < 1307219756 230674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it seems they did < 1307219757 513498 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what package does that come in pikhq_? < 1307219766 213052 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heirloom.sf.net < 1307219769 239670 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :norman256394, well? < 1307219773 285643 :norman256394!~norman256@183.83.175.169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like the interface of the future < 1307219782 476105 :norman256394!~norman256@183.83.175.169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :highly interactive < 1307219788 410190 :norman256394!~norman256@183.83.175.169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :smooth transitions < 1307219788 986985 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, what does it have that i might be missing? < 1307219797 395956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I suppose that's basically almost ontopic here, if it's insane enough by today's standards (which is different from being insane overall, but that tends to happen too) < 1307219803 524568 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :norman256394, but would it be smoothly differentiable? < 1307219805 399118 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: Nothing, really. < 1307219808 651738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and almost ontopic is much better than we normally manage < 1307219819 155193 :atome!~quassel@78.250.208.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307219827 273550 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: It's just got the traditional utils instead of the GNU stuff. < 1307219833 882381 :norman256394!~norman256@183.83.175.169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not going to be anything ground-breaking < 1307219854 76799 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I wonder if I could even possibly manage to get Busybox to build with pcc. < 1307219860 99994 :norman256394!~norman256@183.83.175.169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just was thinking if anyone could help me navigate the intricacies of designing such a user-interface < 1307219877 800775 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : something like the interface of the future < 1307219887 367469 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feh, not going to work on it, cause I have developed a hatred for everything of late. < 1307219897 967202 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should probably talk to elliott about that so he can tell you why your ideas are bad and you should feel bad. < 1307219901 41104 :norman256394!~norman256@183.83.175.169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read: iPhone interfaces < 1307219917 652095 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Any idea what the last version of GCC that was compiler-agnostic? < 1307219921 830301 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it better to look smooth or be fast? < 1307219931 973874 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, what was. < 1307219932 176387 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, what a stupid question. < 1307219937 75258 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's obviously not a dichotomy. < 1307219953 209281 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone got the link to the archive.org video of the lightpen demonstration < 1307219954 773866 :norman256394!~norman256@183.83.175.169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smooth, fast, natural < 1307219970 285379 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of the two extremes... hideous but fast is preferable to beautiful but unusably slow. < 1307219972 804623 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should check it out < 1307219991 67106 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what if you expect the beauty < 1307220005 311884 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like, you'd rather mail-order mona lisa than stare at a blank wall < 1307220007 625737 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, and the reason I was using PCC in the first place was that it's genuinely *obnoxious* to try and get an i686-pc-linux-gnu cross compiler. < 1307220009 365365 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :blank walls are very responsive. < 1307220019 146524 :norman256394!~norman256@183.83.175.169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I have come to appreciate the importance of speed after having worked on the likes of SAP, with its laggy interface < 1307220026 371942 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shouldn't be hard, but it is. < 1307220035 400394 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because EVERYBODY'S BUILD SYSTEM SUCKS < 1307220036 526767 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about reorienting a phone? Show an animation of it changing, or instantly change? < 1307220048 850245 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm pretty sure I saw this sort of thing in an iPhone flamewar) < 1307220066 857518 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about instead of having the phone change.. < 1307220076 825155 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :have the whole world change around the phone and have the phone stay put? < 1307220091 293740 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that equivalent? < 1307220091 456352 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of CPS style < 1307220095 904477 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's dual. < 1307220104 266963 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you can tell, I'm quite *happy* with the state of UNIX right now. < 1307220104 429573 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better than equivalent. < 1307220107 440525 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, because the animation is not very expensive. < 1307220113 937257 :norman256394!~norman256@183.83.175.169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a tag in here to mark sentences that are meant to be taken as humourous/sarcastic < 1307220116 618267 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what about having the co-telephone not-turn? < 1307220121 603769 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not on the level of, say, Compiz taken to crazy levels. < 1307220123 474063 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I should note hat cheater_ is speaking < 1307220149 778915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: C-INTERCAL's build system handles all cross-compile combinations quite well < 1307220153 792043 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :norman256394, that tag is < 1307220156 901176 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1307220160 458592 :norman256394!~norman256@183.83.175.169 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1307220168 831371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was designed by looking at gcc's build system, deciding it was an awful buggy mess that nobody should use ever, and doing something entirely different < 1307220174 181729 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats cheater_  < 1307220178 325690 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Correct answer. < 1307220201 124087 :norman256394!~norman256@183.83.175.169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think... < 1307220201 579347 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :norman256394, you can try ais523's solution. < 1307220215 825797 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does have the caveat that noöne except ais thinks it work. < 1307220217 299028 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*works < 1307220231 5867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: solution to what? < 1307220239 414451 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sarcasm. < 1307220241 945058 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the life, the universe, and everything. < 1307220245 716342 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at it. < 1307220258 839861 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your "take it seriously in an attempt to make everything absurd" tactic. < 1307220281 237285 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I approve of your pedantry so far. < 1307220284 571216 :norman256394!~norman256@183.83.175.169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think IRC should be more like facebook < 1307220292 628663 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dnl Don't assume yacc exists just because bison doesn't (wtf autoconf...) < 1307220295 714356 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Wut. < 1307220301 134062 :norman256394!~norman256@183.83.175.169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to keep track of conversations in here. :| < 1307220326 798480 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reddit might be easier for you? < 1307220330 27806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets easier with practice < 1307220340 192831 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :norman256394, and then i went to the kitcchen. funny, right? < 1307220345 807325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: hey, if autoconf is being stupid and I work around it, I may as well document what I've done and why < 1307220360 312241 :norman256394!~norman256@183.83.175.169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :software should change for the users < 1307220368 212453 :norman256394!~norman256@183.83.175.169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the other way round! :) < 1307220377 214561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :norman256394: yep < 1307220383 304512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but someone has to write the compatibility layers in between < 1307220383 868117 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :WRONG < 1307220385 667029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it do that < 1307220387 780948 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone should adjust to vim. < 1307220388 657984 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :norman256394, different niches, though. < 1307220391 167633 :atome!~quassel@78.250.208.170 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1307220423 921687 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially decades old software with decades old standards that its current users, of which there many, are quite comfortable with < 1307220431 696268 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not sure if decades gets pluralized) < 1307220444 625485 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, I'm "Wut"ing at autoconf, not at you. < 1307220452 37295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1307220466 485354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it's a bug or a silly assumption < 1307220480 897463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's definitely implausible < 1307220499 924400 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, decades is plural already. < 1307220502 7348 :norman256394!~norman256@183.83.175.169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok...nice talking to you guys. But my IRC client is just plain too ugly to continue staring at for too long. < 1307220502 489487 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FYI. < 1307220526 884089 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_, as in, I was uncertain if IRC history spanned two decades. < 1307220527 255211 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :norman256394, that's what i think about one of my coworkers < 1307220530 227272 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, got a clue what GCC version(s) are compiler agnostic? < 1307220537 856457 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i started working from home though so it's alright < 1307220544 494945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I knew once, but have long since forgotten < 1307220546 481651 :norman256394!~norman256@183.83.175.169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1307220555 662489 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go out on a limb and guess it's 2.x. < 1307220577 831953 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, bootstrapping gcc? < 1307220607 27835 :norman256394!~norman256@183.83.175.169 QUIT :Quit: http://irc2go.com/ < 1307220616 773376 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a recorded history somewhere of what older versions of gcc were used to compile newer versions etc.? Because that would make interesting reading imo < 1307220625 853844 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Do you have any idea how fucking ridiculously painful it is to get an i686-pc-linux-musl compiler from x86_64-pc-linux-gnu? < 1307220654 354854 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now I'm only asking out of personal curiosity, because I HATE GNU. < 1307220681 471667 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea. Um, not even sure what you're referring to, exactly. Which machine are you on? < 1307220691 270405 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What binary do you have? < 1307220700 406172 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should be able to parse this from your question, but I can't < 1307220738 421799 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a correctly functioning i686-pc-linux-musl pcc (okay, so it thought that it was i686-pc-linux-gnulibc1, but whatever). Problem is, nothing will build with that. < 1307220773 203494 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it wasn't the libc's fault. musl can actually support a reasonable system (... if you don't mind a lack of C++). < 1307220795 424082 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, what's musl? < 1307220811 276213 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_, um, ask pikhq_? < 1307220812 847972 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :musl is a libc. < 1307220827 913448 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't suck. < 1307220828 922558 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, apparently asking you worked too < 1307220841 44823 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, what does it do better than glibc? < 1307220858 276415 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: It has size comparable to dietlibc and performance comparable to glibc. < 1307220904 845284 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in some cases better, in some cases worse. Has at-least-as-good big-O performance.) < 1307220967 259468 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: everything is better than glibc < 1307221007 969761 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do MS's compilers use? < 1307221008 897030 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :glibc is pretty bloated, and has absolutely convoluted code. < 1307221039 12523 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: msvcrt < 1307221049 524957 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime". < 1307221106 806263 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, they've been doing compilers for quite a while... That libc traces its way back to their C compiler for DOS in 1983. < 1307221212 485262 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same libc is used by mingw. < 1307221222 294887 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1307221292 681662 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya it's funny < 1307221299 279509 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :since mingw stands for minimal gnu for windows < 1307221301 181707 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like.. < 1307221306 212744 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not using a gnu libc. < 1307221308 180025 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :amirite. < 1307221362 884479 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's just GCC and binutils. msys adds a few more bits (bash, coreutils, make), but... Yeah. Utterly devoid of glibc. < 1307221367 347259 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So's cygwin. < 1307221397 363135 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, why does glibc suck so much? < 1307221403 385599 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just classic GNU bloat? < 1307221417 467521 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Classic GNU bloat. < 1307221450 176366 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as an avoidance of simple algorithms. < 1307221458 857820 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is classic gnu bloat? < 1307221503 695123 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: They love creeping featuritis and premature optimisation. < 1307221530 761447 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as truly awful hacks that are not exactly necessary. < 1307221539 212396 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:04:18: what is classic gnu bloat? < 1307221551 430587 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The simple answer to this is "true.c in the binutils source". < 1307221579 764350 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coreutils has its own implementation of buffered IO. < 1307221591 118462 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :got a link to that? < 1307221613 875754 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sorry, that's gnulib. < 1307221627 866619 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which itself gets relevant bits copied into program source. < 1307221645 631722 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They claim it's for 'portability'. < 1307221656 628650 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of it actually increases portability. < 1307221670 623107 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of it is utterly retarded. < 1307221709 766522 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it includes stdio-impl.h, it is definitely utterly retarded. < 1307221712 142449 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sourceware.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/src/?cvsroot=src < 1307221722 410085 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be somewhere in here < 1307221723 744141 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you like to guess what that does? < 1307221744 334272 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It... implicity includes stdio? < 1307221753 416435 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh, no no no, much worse than that. < 1307221758 462800 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1307221764 779362 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :defines some constants? < 1307221769 734296 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1307221784 256841 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnuifies the binary? < 1307221788 792534 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-52.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1307221789 262089 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-52.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1307221789 424977 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1307221791 412251 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, tell us < 1307221800 283514 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_, BtW, try true --version and --help, if your shell doesn't alias it. < 1307221802 774570 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It contains the definition of FILE for every libc they support. < 1307221817 65545 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not FILE*, but the struct actually pointed to by it. < 1307221857 437966 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/tree/src/true.c < 1307221860 809580 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's coreutils. < 1307221862 934745 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ok so you mean coreutils < 1307221863 825475 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1307221866 263376 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always mix the two up. < 1307221871 508385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :78 line. < 1307221873 584946 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lines < 1307221902 17343 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :13 preprocessor statements. < 1307221909 868389 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 functions. < 1307221955 707998 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, coreutils' copy of gnulib seems to contain most of a libc. < 1307221978 241389 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... *it actually contains a printf*‽ < 1307222003 328860 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT LITERALLY HAS A PRINTF. < 1307222018 143652 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is so bad about this thing? < 1307222022 261707 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You think I'm kidding, but no, it literally has a printf. < 1307222038 298756 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :true.c doesn't seem so bad. < 1307222050 754096 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :defines some help, some other stuff, and does its job too. < 1307222058 274607 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: Allow me to give you a true.c. < 1307222063 44992 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(){return 1;} < 1307222073 8478 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i find the usage for it < 1307222080 97504 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1307222087 687828 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about having --usage < 1307222102 877456 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is actually a common thing < 1307222118 699213 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you'd be more revolted by cat. < 1307222125 965876 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1307222133 947925 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/tree/src/cat.c < 1307222185 610321 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1,000 lines of code. Pokes around libc internals. Uses its own buffered IO on top of stdio. < 1307222212 338751 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does filenotfound return? < 1307222223 376551 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, wouldn't true.c return 0? < 1307222250 701001 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And has significantly more options than is even slightly necessary. < 1307222262 475521 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the following options are required by POSIX for cat: -u < 1307222263 448644 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1307222302 450266 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/pikhq/pikhq-coreutils/blob/master/cat/cat.c For comparison. < 1307222340 984710 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/10th the size, billions of times more portable. < 1307222521 985957 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it billions of times more portable < 1307222548 316468 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, typo in the comment on line 36. < 1307222548 645311 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their cat *literally is fucking around with libc internals*. < 1307222560 144772 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :where? < 1307222593 355136 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in some functions they pull in from elsewhere in the source tree. < 1307222619 937807 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I do think GNU programs are bloated, but it is good they write those programs anyways. Especially since they wrote the license too. Now the same license can be used with other programs, including other programs that are based on the GNU programs. < 1307222632 398270 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike GNU long options. < 1307222676 119587 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That ain't a typo, you git. < 1307222699 957766 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a perfectly valid, though admittedly non-US, spelling. < 1307222707 653927 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...mesage? < 1307222711 925616 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1307222714 950189 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't see that. < 1307222716 503004 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1307222724 555302 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once asked them why they make large GNU program like that, they didn't give a very good answer in my opinion < 1307222729 785794 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unrecognised." Thought that was what you were talking about. < 1307222732 216032 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: you know that I'm not from the US, right? < 1307222768 769118 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I care? :P < 1307222773 643720 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, pushed. < 1307222799 551887 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: How do you think someone will know that? Did you post that information somewhere, such as esolang wiki? You have cloak enabled so it is hard to know these kind of things? < 1307223097 770281 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-255-223.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307223243 176977 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-123.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1307223463 723516 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-255-223.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. Everybody is wrong at everything; any arguments? < 1307223657 610824 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-1-166.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1307223662 920063 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wrong < 1307223671 661393 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you walked into that one) < 1307224009 358100 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes. Including you are wrong at this. And the argument is also wrong. < 1307224331 60004 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I am sorely disappointed at the loss of searchable logs of this place. < 1307224337 538350 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please fix your hg ones or something. < 1307224732 741342 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.214 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307224757 319592 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.214 PRIVMSG #esoteric :, < 1307224770 914604 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.214 NICK :elliott < 1307224772 711214 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.229.214 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1307224772 883286 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1307224797 524498 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.229.214 QUIT :Changing host < 1307224797 687729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1307225015 244661 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-255-223.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION flips off pcc for a bit < 1307225038 404374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pcc sux < 1307225060 83008 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-255-223.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't be hard to get it to actually function right. < 1307225075 816232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you tryin < 1307225082 426922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be that malloc(0) in cpp < 1307225086 448421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that broke it with dietlibc < 1307225131 281751 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-255-223.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right *now*, just trying to get a normal pcc on x86_64-pc-linux-gnu < 1307225140 722807 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-255-223.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its output segfaults. < 1307225196 318689 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-255-223.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It segfaults with the program counter at 0x01. < 1307225323 706708 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a shell which does *not* alias true? < 1307225354 903888 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ksh, bash, sh, dash, zsh all do it < 1307225371 747492 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1307225405 376621 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tcsh doesn't < 1307225478 644080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Alias"? < 1307225511 281313 :atrapado!~rod@217.168.10.217 QUIT :Quit: FIN < 1307225615 242848 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"troll"? < 1307225664 482147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure of the relevance; after all, I'm not an alias, so that hardly works < 1307225732 872133 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. good thing we're not playing synonyms then, right? < 1307226128 931881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of them "alias" it as you say < 1307226140 787950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: TROLL?????? < 1307226162 509818 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes they all troll true until it gives up and ignore them < 1307226176 992700 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is why they implement it as a shell builtin < 1307226194 790977 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the one in /bin refuses to have anything to do with them < 1307226204 22046 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, happy? < 1307226229 968379 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, speaking of which, how goes the spec < 1307226435 387648 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307226439 886171 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater just disconnected me from the internet as a warning < 1307226470 773139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1307226532 720769 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307226536 693924 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is my connection even doing < 1307226587 479350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, it is having a hangover < 1307226663 991360 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, translating the Swedish word for "hangover" literally to English yields "backsmash" < 1307226685 83815 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lj < 1307226689 463804 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, "lj"? < 1307226711 437243 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.38 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1307226722 351599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, what do you mean with lj? < 1307226722 847000 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ijsd < 1307226728 607051 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also stop pinging me :D < 1307226738 206302 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, I'll stop once you make sense < 1307226754 667887 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, I blame the current "lj" and "ijsd" on your connection < 1307226778 208175 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me toae@¶ŧ < 1307226837 743756 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-133.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307226839 451031 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-255-223.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1307226873 625707 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, then. I have a functioning pcc. < 1307226878 633695 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again. < 1307226886 144517 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is i686-pc-linux-musl. < 1307226888 648621 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again. < 1307226891 368814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, why do you care about ppc? < 1307226893 372062 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1307226894 332150 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pcc* < 1307226906 178193 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure I had a reason when I started. < 1307226913 721734 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(having a functioning i686 ppc would be amusing) < 1307226916 193387 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now, it's stubborness. < 1307227349 930574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, how long have you been working on this < 1307227449 964327 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today. < 1307228860 507194 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1307229163 427905 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :make[2]: *** No rule to make target `../.././gcc/libgcc.mvars'. Stop. < 1307229169 565408 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... What. < 1307229383 546525 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-39.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307229585 313985 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-133.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1307229942 951099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : My favourite expansion hack is mkdir z; mv *; mv z foo. Try to do that with a smarter mv. < 1307229950 70177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that's an interesting use of * < 1307229951 971686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pretty eso < 1307229970 587856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: are you caught up logreading, btw? < 1307229980 861831 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I wasn't planning to; should I? < 1307229993 602885 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you'll just see me being angry at everything and everyone forever. < 1307230014 580520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: not necessarily, it's just that some things happened that I thought you might have reactions to, but you probably don't care much < 1307230028 426827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, at the NEC today, I saw a place marked "food & bar" in really large letters (I'm talking at least 10 metres high) < 1307230029 116061 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads < 1307230032 396662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only someone had removed the d < 1307230035 253329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it said foo & bar instead < 1307230044 676122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it was actually a metasyntactic varaible vote, or concidence? < 1307230046 959455 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That was my initial parse even with the "d" there. < 1307230052 832348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: heh < 1307230103 110614 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's actually a bar called the Foo Bar < 1307230140 626628 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:55:58: http://lee.fov120.com/ecoop.pdf a paper advocating for "prototype multiple dispatch" < 1307230145 631711 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this the Slate stuff? < 1307230194 578808 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting this sense that Sam Hughes' soul has been sucked out by something. < 1307230210 80579 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Working at IBM? < 1307230229 179758 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, are you sure it's not your soul that's been sucked? < 1307230236 264022 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: am i meant to be commenting on sgeo < 1307230260 233109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: later, there was someone turning up about esoterica, and then got vaguely sucked into esoprogramming < 1307230274 343007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also some trolling from cheater that even I recognised as trolling, but I didn't say anything < 1307230304 944928 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A wiser strategy than the reciprocation the rest of us get sucked into. < 1307230328 887534 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:46:33: hey, remember when everyone here mocked me for saying I was entering a Pokémon championship, and saying I had no chance? < 1307230329 231467 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we did that? < 1307230335 485880 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall doing that :< < 1307230357 972797 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall us asserting that he had little chance, because Pokémon tourny players are quite intense about it. < 1307230364 145097 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much on the "mocking" though. < 1307230376 929118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, fair enough < 1307230383 546291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this channel generally did, I forget who < 1307230386 61935 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why mock someone for playing a good JRPG? < 1307230390 667404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was more than one person < 1307230402 230195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it was for thinking I had a chance at doing well, rather than for playing it < 1307230419 708680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people telling me I was underestimating the effort required, etc < 1307230420 627184 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmm. < 1307230457 154402 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it *is* rather a lot of work to be competitive. But apparently, you've done your due diligence. < 1307230494 311007 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I once asked them why they make large GNU program like that, they didn't give a very good answer in my opinion < 1307230506 912168 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1307230516 287923 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: pokemon is a /good/ jrpg? < 1307230518 930962 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 90 percent grinding < 1307230544 699702 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am now envisioning stupid programmers being forced to explain their reasoning to zzo38 < 1307230554 299605 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: Good mechanically. < 1307230560 380915 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: The plot is absolutely banal. < 1307230581 82785 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: HEY LOOK HOMESTUCK UPDAEJTROIJD < 1307230584 74484 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :god its fun being on the other side of bugging < 1307230584 590723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: not any more, there's a new experience formula in Black & White which removes most of the grinding, unless you want a really competitive team < 1307230602 788715 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh, I even contemplated buying black or white yesterday or so < 1307230608 487193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes me about 3 hours to get a perfectly-statted competitive Pokémon from near-scratch, if I'm allowed repeatable resources < 1307230620 210138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, things that were hard to get in the first place but don't get used up in the process < 1307230623 943019 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: Also, 90% grinding is not that big of a deal for a game that's got like 10 or 15 hours to the "end". < 1307230644 382306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and around 400 or so hours to the actual end, where you fill the Pokédex, that hardly anyone ever reaches < 1307230651 986331 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well sure, but it's more addictive than anything :) < 1307230654 230899 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the older generations < 1307230662 603033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the plots have improved over time < 1307230666 816183 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I consider that, along with competition, to be post-game content. < 1307230674 874515 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sapphire imo was plot perfection < 1307230675 36888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Black & White, the plot is about on the level of a decent children's story < 1307230676 254195 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERADICATE < 1307230676 600897 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL < 1307230677 116688 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WATER < 1307230688 867798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: that was Ruby < 1307230692 16221 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh was it < 1307230692 877874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sapphire was FLOOD THE WORLD < 1307230694 258913 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing :) < 1307230694 784656 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1307230700 121807 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, alternately, you could just say "the story bit is just a side thing". < 1307230700 649996 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very, very special kind of stupidity that these villains run on < 1307230716 320552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :new in Black & White, the villains actually have plausible motivations < 1307230723 117690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them, even if some of them contradict each other < 1307230724 190618 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emerald was better. < 1307230726 227738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and others are being manipulated < 1307230732 662210 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERADICATE ALL WATER *and* FLOOD THE WORLD < 1307230760 889557 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: So it'll be literary fiction in a few hundred years? < 1307230765 694940 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to say out of all of the Pokemon games I've played, third generation was the most fun. < 1307230773 154009 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I haven't played 4 or 5. < 1307230805 805566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: perhaps < 1307230807 895060 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, the villains are always stupid. < 1307230821 28194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I think the 4th gen remakes of the 2nd gen games are best < 1307230833 118118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 5th gen has been growing on me, I used to dislike it a lot but now I rank it pretty high < 1307230842 426760 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, well yes. Any remake of the original games is going to be awesome as well. < 1307230844 155940 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a soft spot in my heart for 2nd gen. < 1307230857 423811 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's fifth gen < 1307230862 155002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :black & white, so far < 1307230865 433468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Pokédex 3D < 1307230867 429098 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't played 4th or 5th gen, due to not owning a DS. < 1307230869 614365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some other pointless spinoffs < 1307230882 94750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the generation number is basically about how many Pokémon are involved < 1307230887 311607 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, is the 3DS' 3D actually any good < 1307230889 106675 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say third generation is the last generation in which they had good pokemon concepts. < 1307230905 616621 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :overall. < 1307230924 291905 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i suspect nostalgia goggles < 1307230938 591004 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: actually no, I didn't play third generation until like two years ago. < 1307230941 132372 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shame, too. If they got actually desperate they could start spelunking mythology. ... And risk becoming Megaten. < 1307230946 116426 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would actually be awesome. < 1307230952 572976 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: bah :) < 1307230974 637498 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: how do you not own a DS? even /ais/ owns a DS < 1307230990 480557 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: possible bias in that I haven't actually /played/ fourth and fifth generation. I've only watched other people and looked up some of the pokemon via wiki and thought they were lame. < 1307230991 59472 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : btw, is the 3DS' 3D actually any good < 1307230993 764388 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: 100 applicants per job opening. Any further questions? < 1307230997 171335 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works, if that's what you mean. < 1307231009 447774 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: PAH :P < 1307231011 517462 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does not own a DS..? < 1307231014 93588 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes but I mean is it annoying. < 1307231022 236099 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, also yeah, you forget pikhq lives in a less developed country than us. < 1307231028 792443 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can't answer that. < 1307231031 219715 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh right. < 1307231053 134834 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1307231110 88209 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : interestingly, translating the Swedish word for "hangover" literally to English yields "backsmash" < 1307231116 15706 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait which word < 1307231164 212404 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian is "bakrus" but "rus" doesn't mean smash, it means intoxication < 1307231186 985348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. up to Mew is 1st gen, if you go up to Celebi it's 2nd gen, up to Deoxys is 3rd gen, up to Arceus is 4th gen, and up to (as yet unreleased event Pokémon) is 5th gen < 1307231219 149759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't lag, that was me forgetting to press return because I was trying to help deal with a spontaneously exploding glass oven door < 1307231225 539839 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I just want to know when MISSINGNO will be an official part of the Pokédex. < 1307231243 692119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: you do realise it doesn't exist, right? < 1307231255 986475 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As #000. < 1307231260 652616 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: By what definition of "doesn't exist"? < 1307231268 647836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't even #000 < 1307231277 635767 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It certainly existed in Stadium (Stadium 2, JP). < 1307231283 479402 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bulbapedia says it's #000 in the national ddddex, but maybe that's wrong. < 1307231298 954783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for one thing it's spelt MISSINGNO. with a dot, but more to the point it has no stats defined but a nam < 1307231300 511735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*name < 1307231310 737647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything else is unrelated memory interpreted as stats < 1307231332 341605 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Plenty of games for such platforms are coded with weird bit-twiddling hacks. < 1307231332 722602 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yessss, mexican food. < 1307231335 446685 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The implementation is rather irrelevant. < 1307231365 955629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#000 Unova dex is Victini, they decided to put an actual event mon there < 1307231377 284921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although event mons are a ridiculous concept < 1307231390 10954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think #000 has been DP Box for a while now < 1307231396 451560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and #000 in first gen was Cancel < 1307231399 183733 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :event... mon? < 1307231414 113855 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, a jamaican dude? < 1307231416 213021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the menu option that you use to not select anything < 1307231420 581517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: short for "monster" < 1307231435 21955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like Pokémon was "pocket monster" before it was contracted to settle a trademark dispute < 1307231479 695065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an event Pokémon is one you can only get by going to a particular Nintendo / tPCI distribution in real life < 1307231484 398031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or by hacking < 1307231492 135654 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: or trading, presumably? < 1307231496 48404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in some cases, via glitch < 1307231502 612366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: well, that doesn't increase the number in the world < 1307231508 218368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sure, if you can find someone willing to part with one < 1307231509 600625 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Qi JT? POké BB de W N type is the type of the glitch moves TM14 and TM17. Part of the name of this type changes to match the player's name, and another part changes to match the name of the player's Pokémon at the front of the party. For example, if the player's name was ASH and the active Pokémon's name was PIKACHU, the name of this type would be Qi JTASH? POké BBPIKACHU de W N." < 1307231529 195439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or who's not above cloning them via glitches or hacks < 1307231539 524125 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: annoying artificial scarcity :( < 1307231545 80178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WishBliss must have been cloned so many times < 1307231563 794952 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's easy to poison the market by just cloning one a few times and spreading it around, anyway < 1307231580 487303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly the most infamous event Pokémon in existence, because it was distributed in a pretty narrow distribution (only in New York), is legal in competitive battles, and is really good < 1307231613 220779 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It wasn't contracted to settle a trademark dispute... < 1307231620 49925 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I've heard it from too many people so now I just gotta ask. Is Wish-Blissey seriously banned? I know its hard to get and all having to trade all the way from XD but come on now. Is this serious or is this just Colin's crap from official (Which noone cares bout) still not flushing properly?" < 1307231621 827709 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well this makes no sense. < 1307231623 75354 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It was contracted for the sake of not being Engrish. < 1307231643 976282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: no it isn't banned, and it doesn't come from XD, someone is trolling < 1307231644 833136 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's still sold as "poketto monsutā" in Japan. < 1307231646 606032 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"noone" ugh < 1307231653 338870 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: what's wrong with "noone"? < 1307231663 414567 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It omits a diaeresis, but so does everyone < 1307231664 187282 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insufficient ö. < 1307231664 947404 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not one word, for starters. < 1307231666 178277 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there seems to be no bulbapedia article for WishBliss < 1307231668 414092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially blaming Colin for everything, it's quite a sine of a troll < 1307231672 862157 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Yes, it is. < 1307231677 903590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: it's probably in the article about Blissey or Chansey < 1307231697 335345 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Note that in "no-one", the hyphen is simply taking the place of a diæresis above the second letter. < 1307231702 7345 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. noöne. < 1307231708 829363 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's perfectly valid to simply omit the diæresis altogether. < 1307231712 633363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, strange, Bulbapedia doesn't even mention it as existing < 1307231723 107203 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: SHHHHHHHHHHH < 1307231724 319039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wish is nowhere in the learnset < 1307231725 880661 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: right, but "noone" is silly and should never be used. no-one is fine. < 1307231740 126636 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I am stunned by your flawless justification. < 1307231744 119126 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1307231750 479128 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it should be obvious why it's bad. < 1307231752 904666 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use "noone" either for aesthetic concerns, but to say it's not a word is ridiculous :P < 1307231760 30961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no, it's just hidden in a subpage < 1307231772 872493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_event_Pok%C3%A9mon_in_2004#Wish_Chansey < 1307231777 111120 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a non-standard word, at least. People use it, but they probably need to die or something. -shrug- < 1307231806 815696 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's augur when you need him? < 1307231824 288112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's also the only way to get Sweet Scent on a Chansey/Blissey, but nobody cares < 1307231834 232124 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a small English language pet peeve of mine, one of few. < 1307231899 77171 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honeſtly, if you're going to go preſcriptiviſt, you ſhould go all þe way. < 1307231926 464552 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: can i pick on you for saying a bunch of non-standard shit that shakespeare just made up for shits and giggles? < 1307231932 875357 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a PET PEEVE < 1307231944 967610 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a Nenglishsure < 1307231950 454319 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)