< 1307577746 824347 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1307577879 988913 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what about just i < 1307578205 880821 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`c```csx = ````csx(*) = ```s(```*x(*))x(*) = ``(```*x(*))(*)`x(*) = ```(*)x(*) = x < 1307578206 841274 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1307578230 282443 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't quite what's needed < 1307578289 70258 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-` a couple places < 1307578353 903293 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1307578391 350306 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :``ccx = `(`*x)x = `xx hm what < 1307578392 460097 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1307578397 934676 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show ucat < 1307578398 381816 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​That is not a user interpreter! < 1307578413 519636 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i deleted it hm < 1307578502 798834 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm the last version didn't use ``sii < 1307578517 559060 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:20:33: ​unlambda ```s`d`@|i`ci < 1307578610 977756 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Someone said "I know, let's make a porn version of The Human Centipede!". And others listened. And now it's out on DVD. May the gods forgive us." https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/The_Human_Sexipede , via Reddit. < 1307578614 989547 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1307578625 44116 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp utest unlambda ``cc``d`@|`ci < 1307578625 739385 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Interpreter utest installed. < 1307578642 809580 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!utest ho hum < 1307578643 404139 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ho hum < 1307578671 701537 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cackles evilly
< 1307578716 666303 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp utest < 1307578717 77912 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Interpreter utest deleted. < 1307578729 808783 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp ucat unlambda ``cc``d`@|`cc < 1307578730 305396 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Interpreter ucat installed. < 1307578736 549346 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ucat and how < 1307578737 136760 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​and how < 1307578945 871686 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that's very close to that famous counter < 1307579115 825665 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since in fact `ci, `cc and `cd are all equivalent < 1307579223 967848 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION knows just enough about the human centipede that he doesn't want to know more, so was assuming it was sort of porn already
< 1307579394 758079 :foocraft_!~ewanas@89.211.214.224 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1307579468 10358 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp ucat < 1307579468 487425 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Interpreter ucat deleted. < 1307579475 445268 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp ucat unlambda ``cd``d`@|`cd < 1307579475 969295 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Interpreter ucat installed. < 1307579487 633117 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ucat Fnord < 1307579488 267127 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Fnord < 1307579997 958509 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1307580014 183335 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1307580179 172761 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ucat a < 1307580179 815425 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​a < 1307580181 692111 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ucat ab < 1307580182 259766 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ab < 1307580183 908614 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ucat abc < 1307580184 532360 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​abc < 1307580186 443379 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ucat abcd < 1307580186 807337 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​abcd < 1307580188 534913 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ucat abcde < 1307580189 84417 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​abcde < 1307580234 418225 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realized there was a subtlety in that ``sii ~ `cc = `cd replacement, but it seems to work anyway < 1307580274 144412 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(basically applying `cc may reevaluate the argument, which ``sii doesn't) < 1307580351 684025 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is possible there's some huge thunk building because of this... < 1307581044 654436 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-237-96.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307581224 959222 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-92.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1307581276 883954 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1307581314 387262 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1307581600 748140 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah seems like there is, and it may need to test for eof several times before actually halting < 1307582546 462248 :adam__!~adam@h185.37.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net NICK :CakeProphet < 1307582721 313977 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-233-196.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307582723 961521 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-237-96.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1307584497 803307 :CakeProphet!~adam@h185.37.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1307585352 673845 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1307585959 781308 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t at < 1307585960 525504 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `at' < 1307586098 882904 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle atMay < 1307586099 169000 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Maybe catMaybes :: [Maybe a] -> [a] < 1307586499 861826 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1307587460 566901 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307587477 340185 :CakeProphet!~adam@h184-60-161-226.mdsnwi.tisp.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307587477 719765 :CakeProphet!~adam@h184-60-161-226.mdsnwi.tisp.static.tds.net QUIT :Changing host < 1307587477 882409 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1307587769 451540 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Client Quit < 1307587786 83233 :CakeProphet!~adam@h184-60-161-226.mdsnwi.tisp.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307587786 470160 :CakeProphet!~adam@h184-60-161-226.mdsnwi.tisp.static.tds.net QUIT :Changing host < 1307587786 632565 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1307588366 946950 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1307591123 776118 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1307593549 557962 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-233-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus. DNF is actually out. < 1307593633 902842 :Kustas!~xix@gprs-inet-65-53.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1307593657 27238 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-197.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307593680 325667 :Kustas!~xix@gprs-inet-65-53.elisa.ee PART :#esoteric < 1307593879 145175 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-233-196.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1307594003 371531 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll just watch a Let's Play < 1307594052 521504 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-197.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll just continue listening to Flood. < 1307594243 242953 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1307594272 453051 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-197.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Back in the summer of '87 he owned a giant venomous lizard. It somehow managed to escape, which led to the police shooting it with a shotgun. Because of the lack of laws against lizards, he was charged with possession of a "venomous, tree climbing alligator". < 1307594276 471260 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-197.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The above story was reported in Weekly World News as "police battle giant lizard". As a result, this is the only true and verifiable story ever reported in that tabloid." < 1307594282 942954 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-197.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaand continue laughing. < 1307595332 239611 :myndzi!myndzi@c-98-247-234-176.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1307595334 531061 :myndzi!myndzi@c-98-247-234-176.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WWN for the win! < 1307596390 951687 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sees another Sennheiser recommendation
< 1307596559 684345 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-197.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't personally recommend Sennheiser, but only for lack of personal experience. < 1307596610 591290 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....I thought you were the one in here who recommended them < 1307596692 99847 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-164-27.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307596714 971280 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ....I thought you were the one in here who recommended them < 1307596789 49856 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-164-27.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know they have a very good reputation among both reasonable people and audiophiles. < 1307596843 794033 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-197.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1307597205 89513 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That dichotomy (sp?) makes me laugh < 1307598083 613129 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have sennheiser earphones < 1307598086 617095 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're good I recommend them < 1307598093 831020 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure about anything else they make < 1307599533 994016 :myndzi!myndzi@c-98-247-234-176.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a pair of hd590s < 1307599541 778089 :myndzi!myndzi@c-98-247-234-176.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got em for $20 new courtesy of aol and amazon < 1307599542 127540 :myndzi!myndzi@c-98-247-234-176.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1307599662 26163 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably get my left ear fixed first < 1307600141 882322 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-47.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307600145 226439 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-164-27.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1307602526 345584 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1307603249 316898 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307603301 353281 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 448 < 1307603304 567919 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​448) ... you make me tried Nice, fucking this corpse. < 1307604379 108177 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-47.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1307604379 823204 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-203.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307604715 796308 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1307604793 159329 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: why did you want that specific quote? < 1307604806 383263 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, to see if it had been changed. < 1307604876 271128 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to change quotes anyway < 1307604894 622629 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AtM it consists of a revert and re-adding it. < 1307605390 241132 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it so utterly difficult to force myself to sleep? < 1307605403 615308 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even like I'm doing anything relevant. < 1307605417 118810 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, indeed, anything but Reddit and IRC. < 1307605537 615739 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1307605576 452818 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one of the first things that goes when you become slightly tired is the little piece of planning brain that makes you go to sleep when you should < 1307605593 864344 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then you won't go to sleep until you're too tired to stay awake < 1307605635 688566 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.khanacademy.org/video/basic-trigonometry?playlist=Trigonometry < 1307605642 235834 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expected better. < 1307605671 390774 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Probably just after the "do things that actually matter" piece. < 1307605697 121600 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is not a single circle drawn in that video, so it doesn't actually explain any of the underlying structure. < 1307605734 397269 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I wonder if I even *have* one of those < 1307605741 170851 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure I do. < 1307605747 60085 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also pretty sure it's on the fritz. < 1307605837 78357 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yeah, circles are the single most fundamental thing for trig. < 1307605864 457271 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, namely, the inherent relationships between circles and triangles that we call the trig functions. < 1307606007 924256 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Why were you watching a Khan Academy video on trig, anyways? < 1307606023 608378 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/hv41b/this_should_be_the_first_thing_shown_in_all/ < 1307606041 943843 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone said it should be the first thing posted, thus completely missing the point. < 1307606082 131435 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides to actually find the derivation of sin' = cos.
< 1307606130 114181 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Khan Academy's pretty good usually, but circles and triangles are what you should be getting shown in trig... < 1307606140 922588 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because *that's all it is*. < 1307606825 387124 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1307607324 209970 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :trigonometry courses should teach tau < 1307607346 361223 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also true. < 1307607427 153159 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.touchtrigonometry.org/ is cool but an information overload < 1307607536 684820 :myndzi!myndzi@c-98-247-234-176.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1307607575 19128 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Sam Hughes summed up the whole tau debate nicely. < 1307607705 324659 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tau is the Dvorak of trigonometry." < 1307607745 806348 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :making Pi the QWERTY of trigonometry? < 1307607768 217700 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1307607823 933014 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is... Actually a good summation of it. < 1307607910 590326 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's much much easier to introduce tau than pi though < 1307607919 134420 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're ever speaking to a pi unfamiliar audience just add one line: let tau = 2*pi < 1307607922 94544 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then proceed as normal < 1307607939 263709 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to use dvorak on a qwerty keyboard you have to spend several weeks learning it and be able to swap the keyboard back and forth when you change computers < 1307607939 677046 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1307607949 5638 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :also dvorak isn't the best layout anyway, colemak is < 1307608034 916046 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but even fewer people have heard of Colemak, making it a bit harder to use in analogies. < 1307608063 326036 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1307608066 176837 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just like to bring it up and feel :smug: < 1307608709 830699 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1307609104 380950 :CakeProphet!~adam@h185.37.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307609104 809375 :CakeProphet!~adam@h185.37.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1307609104 976724 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1307609222 428737 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1307609343 185488 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :?info ($) < 1307609343 394562 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :($) < 1307609352 470789 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src ($) < 1307609352 678143 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f $ x = f x < 1307609360 726548 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle ($) < 1307609360 965527 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude ($) :: (a -> b) -> a -> b < 1307609361 150421 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Function ($) :: (a -> b) -> a -> b < 1307609361 317808 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude ($!) :: (a -> b) -> a -> b < 1307609370 450674 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...how did elliott get fixity declarations. < 1307609535 445482 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you need to find the source code < 1307610432 234369 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1307610579 452930 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-6-94.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307611382 600106 :myndzi!myndzi@c-98-247-234-176.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307614271 893025 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1307614290 675628 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1307614710 498335 :myndzi!myndzi@c-98-247-234-176.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1307614736 771441 :myndzi!myndzi@c-98-247-234-176.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307615570 515648 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1307617514 192945 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-203.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1307617525 702821 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-117.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307618513 135678 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1307620453 887714 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1307621424 617199 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307621465 183218 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1307621500 572852 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PART :#esoteric < 1307622571 624594 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1307622595 634054 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1307623234 575892 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 . < 1307623280 358514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307624181 725198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1307624259 894763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307624532 834915 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307624551 570064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1307624553 318755 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1307625881 546861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, Slashdot is awesome sometimes < 1307625892 66819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an argument about whether Microsoft was ditching Silverlight < 1307625918 487690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it brew into an argument about cross-platformness < 1307625947 738094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a comparison to Java vs. .NET < 1307625964 386580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and someone claimed that there wasn't a Java impl for the Amiga, and someone came up with a counterexample < 1307625973 825501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(later on, a C64 emulator in Silverlight came up, in order to complete the circuit) < 1307626208 106997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, does anyone here know about Haskell Core? < 1307626224 650208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my supervisor mentioned it as something that might be useful for my research, but I've wanted something like that for esolanging for a while too < 1307627031 686926 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1307627067 968055 :CakeProphet!~adam@h185.37.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307627075 148964 :CakeProphet!~adam@h185.37.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1307627075 319437 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1307628087 377781 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1307628731 545913 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...how did elliott get fixity declarations. < 1307628736 139050 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by using my trick < 1307628742 162773 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0 $!) < 1307628742 994551 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator `Prelude.$!' [infixr 0] of a section < 1307628743 179326 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : must have lower prec... < 1307628820 812116 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, lambdabot has no command [?@:]info < 1307628831 26433 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only spelling correction < 1307628916 349746 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm, does anyone here know about Haskell Core? < 1307628923 467038 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little bit? < 1307628934 925729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing besides the name and that it desugars Haskell < 1307628965 587995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even that information's from an unreliable source < 1307628976 746607 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ghc's first intermediate language. it's explicitly typed (all type inference happens before) using a type system called F_c which is easily extensible with new features < 1307629019 288147 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think typeclasses are also desugared away before it, so it uses explicit method dictionary passing < 1307629081 777304 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1307629143 580018 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think newtypes are implemented using some kind of type-checked cast in core < 1307629189 496286 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most of ghc's high level optimizations such as rules happen at the core stage < 1307629252 324191 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you still have type checking for sanity there < 1307629351 623321 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example ghc rules only trigger when the rewritten term has the same type as the old one < 1307629444 729382 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course as you say, syntactically desugared < 1307629471 977850 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1307630163 740392 :Kustas!~xix@gprs-inet-65-8.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1307630177 747509 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307630531 562316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1307633125 739495 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307633142 948712 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1307633530 799574 :nooga!~nooga@c35-253.icpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1307634938 285980 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading Jailbreak < 1307635204 543524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307637881 115909 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you realise it's a) incomplete and b) of far inferior quality to PS, right? < 1307637904 385709 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finished reading PS < 1307637911 914668 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can implement all boolean functions with dominoes, without using bridges < 1307638530 187290 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1307638542 205791 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-229.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307638547 904682 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-117.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1307638573 994190 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION briefly flirts with the idea of getting some Bitcoins.
< 1307638704 485439 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that they don't even mention the drugs on the website.
< 1307638945 908972 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-6-94.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1307639197 37290 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what drugs < 1307639216 952524 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, the drugs which are the one thing everyone knows you can buy with Bitcoin. < 1307639239 236304 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what? Pull the other one... < 1307639268 891027 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, erm, why is that implausible? < 1307639285 210198 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm... < 1307639418 287178 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is quite hard to get reliable information on the matter, admittedly. < 1307639502 626020 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some perspective, a lot of it seems to stem from Adrian Chen. < 1307639569 326177 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, who is this Adrian Chen? < 1307639584 552242 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1307639594 393452 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what? < 1307639630 720096 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well who is he? < 1307639709 689078 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's one of the creators of Gawker, and noted unpleasant person. < 1307639724 611344 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. *googles gawker* < 1307639817 260768 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was he behind the lucidending thing? < 1307639836 367275 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was joking, as it turns out. < 1307639850 769033 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, about the bitcoin thing? heh < 1307639863 653448 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, about lucidending. < 1307639872 704134 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Who was still almost certainly a troll.) < 1307639881 430139 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Noted unpleasant person" lol < 1307639887 575036 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles "lucidending"
< 1307640041 719417 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/fy6yz/51_hours_left_to_live/ < 1307640044 966031 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[deleted]"? < 1307640069 515096 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :reddit.com: timeout. heh < 1307640082 562128 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm works now < 1307640087 57124 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably on my end < 1307640337 504801 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Noted unpleasant person" lol ← I couldn't really say anything stronger without citing hearsay. < 1307640355 202415 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-6-94.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307640565 87613 :Kustas!~xix@gprs-inet-65-8.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: gone < 1307640793 874776 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh god today's SMBC was barely funny at all. < 1307640822 33603 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please Zach god please don't undergo the SMBCdecay. < 1307640920 516364 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMBXKCD < 1307641050 549664 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given Zach's inexplicable respect for Munroe... < 1307641376 656034 :calamari!~calamari@206.29.188.235 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307641597 238687 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it was still a LOT more dirty than xkcd < 1307641613 214111 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, erm, have you *read* xkcd? < 1307641622 259777 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I point at 610 and leave it at that. < 1307641666 614656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what about 610? < 1307641672 974700 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*631 < 1307641675 747460 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1307641770 114035 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what is TGI though < 1307641779 751780 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank god it's. < 1307641788 22788 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think TGI Fridays is a restaurant. < 1307641790 8902 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1307641800 485209 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it looks like you're trying to understand 631. Stop. < 1307641812 140853 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, 631 doesn't make sense < 1307641813 595180 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walk slowly away from it. < 1307641990 844842 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the H-M algorithm is quite ingenious, don't you agree. Yet it makes perfect sense. < 1307642010 748355 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... < 1307642027 885513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I mean Hindley–Milner < 1307642044 16924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :type inference algorithm < 1307642059 251528 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yes, so why did you just say that? < 1307642088 402166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh I found a page on it open in a tab in firefox, as I was working through the backlog < 1307642206 314266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is it possible to make a language that is NP-complete to *parse*? < 1307642209 230225 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1307642213 538747 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NP-equivalent < 1307642623 724607 :calamari!~calamari@206.29.188.235 QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1307642846 886159 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a language in which a given line is a comment if the sum of the lengths of any subset of the lines preceding it is 42 < 1307642952 449918 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I guess that's a little easier than the usual phrasing of it < 1307642963 925085 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you can automatically exclude any lines longer than 42 < 1307642965 794041 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how about < 1307642996 866941 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language requires all lines to be shorter than 80 characters, and the sum I want is some reasonably decent sized number such that you can't make optimizations like that < 1307643015 185879 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a bad idea to just use a parser generator, is it? < 1307643015 387023 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :or actually, the length - 40 adds to 0 < 1307643032 31866 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1307643034 291890 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a terrible idea < 1307643516 48277 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin, ah good idea < 1307643554 830858 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, why would it be in general? < 1307643566 851665 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about in my case? < 1307643575 164642 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what is your case < 1307643593 367283 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone who wants to write a compiler but is generally clueless < 1307643627 207056 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307643635 159475 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-199.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307643644 582341 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-229.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1307643681 133755 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :using a parser generator is kind of like using a library containing code you didn't write yourself < 1307643904 405935 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, if I were zzo38, avoid them < 1307643907 702987 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1307643932 671308 :Kustas!~xix@gprs-inet-65-8.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1307644021 873899 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered getting a clue about compilers? Anyway, parsing is the simplest/most trivial part of compiling any interesting language < 1307644094 219670 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "interesting" < 1307644109 225681 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I don't think I'm going for optimizations here < 1307644117 581557 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite smart enough for that < 1307644132 216417 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm compiling into a pseudo-bytecode, not into x86 or anything < 1307644167 685187 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if your language is trivially equivalent to the target, the actual work is pretty trivial < 1307644172 775292 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivial trivial < 1307644195 428696 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, target will expect CPS < 1307644202 598844 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :expect? < 1307644216 748190 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, not possible to write non-CPS code in it < 1307644237 521798 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the target lsl? < 1307644260 101889 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did something change about that < 1307644274 4742 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was I never fully in on it < 1307644340 335128 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Target is technically LSL, but most of the LSL code will be an interpreter < 1307644348 992667 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That interprets the contents of a few lists < 1307644386 160085 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What on earth are you trying to make. < 1307644399 559504 :nooga!~nooga@c35-253.icpnet.pl QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1307644400 309369 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1307644408 753810 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo thinks continuations will solve all of his second life problems < 1307644422 119802 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: oh, is this that thing where you're working on a better scripting language for second life? < 1307644427 700122 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1307644894 917937 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that YACC-like parser generators suck. < 1307645147 63467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I actually find them kind-of useful < 1307645156 599057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on what you do with them < 1307645211 925077 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They tend to be overcomplicated and make writing a recursive-decent parser manually seem like a good idea, in my experience. :P < 1307645245 95446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I try that, I find it's much like writing for a yacc-like but with more boilerplate, and comes to the same thing < 1307645264 280195 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what other sorts of parser generators are there < 1307645264 953742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although my grammars tend to have just the one nonterminal < 1307645267 695250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe two at a pinch < 1307645278 236285 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, the *real* way to write a parser is Parsec. < 1307645278 398713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because fewer nonterminals tends to imply a better-designed language < 1307645296 522754 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes parsec < 1307645402 29916 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, more generally, parsing combinators is the way to do it, and Parsec is the best implementation of that. < 1307645559 868713 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants Parsec for Javascript
< 1307645612 680400 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you don't know how to write a parser but you know what parsec is well enough to want it in javascript? < 1307645629 1075 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Parsec is easier than writing a parser by hand. :P < 1307645649 338405 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though at least in decent languages even a hand parser isn't too bad. < 1307645689 265377 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another questions: why javascript? < 1307645708 943201 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where "decent" means "Has pattern matching and lambdas" in this context, I *think*. < 1307645719 535047 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Waaait, that includes C++. God no. < 1307645766 99883 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ sort of kind of has pattern matching and lambdas < 1307645826 24403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if defining languages by features, always remember to explicitly exclude C++ < 1307645850 691768 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: It *very much* has type-level pattern matching and type-level lambdas. < 1307645870 854894 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want it to be easily accessible < 1307645891 901510 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello type-level parsec? < 1307645896 720883 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, parsec ported to c++ templates < 1307645913 156114 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least a type-level parser or something < 1307645916 264567 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that's an abomination you can enjoy < 1307645943 601059 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: If you want it accessible to complete noobs, offer Windows binaries. < 1307646160 37633 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, is Javascript that terrible that that's the best option for accessibility < 1307646161 86627 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1307646505 301332 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Divers weights are an abomination to the LORD;" — the Bible < 1307646541 39066 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess you need to swim against your own buoyancy or something? < 1307646550 91219 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably ties into all the shellfish stuff. < 1307646638 621453 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bible.cc/proverbs/20-23.htm < 1307646683 118661 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From looking at all the other translations, I'm going to assume it's just missing an e < 1307646842 946772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that's actually an old-fashioned spelling of "diverse" < 1307646860 384362 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1307647856 64207 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1307647998 320464 :Phreak!~error@80.sub-69-99-114.myvzw.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1307648184 258528 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-188-54.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307648196 39130 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-199.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1307648548 607739 :Phreak!~error@80.sub-69-99-114.myvzw.com PART :#esoteric < 1307648754 125210 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : so you can implement all boolean functions with dominoes, without using bridges < 1307648757 448194 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1307648946 643101 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...yes, so why did you just say that? < 1307648954 550094 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal suffers from EAS < 1307648997 81448 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EAS? < 1307649010 13162 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :excessive acronym syndrome < 1307649011 517107 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm is it possible to make a language that is NP-complete to *parse*? < 1307649020 582676 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is, almost certainly < 1307649023 562971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you can do better, Perl is Turing-complete to parse < 1307649044 373072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because you can put arbitrary code in the parser < 1307649059 718390 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well context-sensitive languages are well known to include PSPACE-complete stuff < 1307649102 903094 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :context-free languages otoh have O(n^3) algorithms < 1307649144 387361 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(n^2) if unambiguous iirc < 1307649218 940983 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm is it possible to make a language that is NP-complete to *parse*? < 1307649222 437784 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1307649228 796522 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:56:49: err < 1307649228 958787 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:56:53: NP-equivalent < 1307649247 817557 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if NP-equivalent means anything there, it's the same as NP-complete < 1307649303 93192 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: a language in which a given line is a comment if the sum of the lengths of any subset of the lines preceding it is 42 < 1307649314 312308 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if 42 is fixed, then that won't be NP-complete < 1307649340 65965 :CakeProphet!~adam@h148.62.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307649340 465985 :CakeProphet!~adam@h148.62.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1307649340 628570 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1307649347 504656 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :I adapted my suggestion < 1307649349 233416 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :after that < 1307649355 265069 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1307649363 752132 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-188-54.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1307649375 149987 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-83.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307649392 258425 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: also i think it won't be for _any_ fixed number so your adaptation won't work < 1307649421 938510 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1307649454 96224 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let your number be n. make an array of n bools. < 1307649476 506531 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :initialized to False, except index 0 < 1307649496 913350 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I adapted it to include negative numbers) < 1307649541 588200 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then whenever you add a new item j, iterate through the array and make i+j True if i is < 1307649558 826477 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you always have the set of possible sums. < 1307649587 337839 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right that won't work with negative numbers < 1307649594 486380 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the adaptation < 1307649604 460475 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had another one first < 1307649631 843022 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : using a parser generator is kind of like using a library containing code you didn't write yourself < 1307649632 91476 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1307649659 185164 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1307649665 153236 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for LALR(1) parsing i'd say it's "code you probably _couldn't_ write yourself without messing it up" < 1307649673 294374 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should write that parser < 1307649713 829665 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which parser < 1307649749 805023 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :the NP-complete parser < 1307649832 952168 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm wait when you say lines should be _shorter_ than 80 characters, i am thinking - is _that_ still NP-complete? can't you no just count the number of lines of each length? < 1307649834 795005 :Kustas!~xix@gprs-inet-65-8.elisa.ee PART :#esoteric < 1307649841 487360 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A member of the MSPA music team just followed me on Twitter < 1307649848 166625 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you i'm not sure that isn't still NP-complete < 1307649851 807573 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*now < 1307649933 235604 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles
< 1307650205 149889 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit wikipedia is impenetrably phrased < 1307650495 129237 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :the subset-sum problem reduces pretty trivially to it < 1307650536 24852 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i thought your idea _was_ the subset-sum problem, pretty exactly < 1307650565 555360 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my idea is a language where parsing it requires solving it :P < 1307650575 894495 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it isn't exactly it < 1307650585 217857 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's pretty obviously related :P < 1307650586 408558 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _think_ the wikipedia article may imply that bounding either the number of sets or the size of elements makes it polynomial, although it's by no means clear < 1307650599 767163 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*number of elements < 1307650612 466021 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then remove the bound < 1307650617 420751 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :subtract some number so we still get negatives < 1307650620 244858 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck the distribution < 1307650664 949032 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1307650673 620660 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe negate every other line? < 1307650676 268809 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should work, right? < 1307650819 126608 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm too tried [sic] for this < 1307650997 320656 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :google, now with free guitar < 1307651274 353472 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-194-194.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1307651798 877572 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1307652844 739212 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307652878 35496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1307652884 797863 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. There's a palladium credit card. That's not a stupid marketing name. The card is literally made of palladium. < 1307652888 758327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1307652889 22028 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1307652900 790346 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, awesome. < 1307652903 126337 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXCEPT < 1307652911 509671 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be whichever metal I settled on as Best. < 1307652922 856539 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iridium? < 1307652950 910995 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think rhenium was in the running as well, and the last one I considered was tantalum-180m. < 1307652959 567889 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-83.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1307653066 488504 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure enough, rhenium is rarer. < 1307653159 92109 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But tantalum-180m is rarer still. < 1307653174 669642 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruthenium and rhodium are rarer still and are also stable... < 1307653194 887046 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO MAINSTREAM < 1307653200 682472 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though both are fission products of U-235, making it possible they wouldn't be if someone decided to fuck with you. < 1307653227 421754 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. That Is Not How Quantities Work. < 1307653240 443886 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tantalum-180m is the rarest stable primordial nucleus, though. < 1307653261 551720 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is, someone could *manufacture* ruthenium and rhodium. < 1307653337 987915 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet another reason to use tantalum-180m! < 1307653346 322543 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, tantalum-180m seems to win. < 1307653398 685606 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though 180m is technically not stable. < 1307653413 101049 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just close enough for most intents and purposes. < 1307653424 121178 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(half-life of *at least* 10^15 years) < 1307653425 984949 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has never actually been observed to decay. < 1307653455 513485 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it's still technically not stable. < 1307653510 451346 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just has a half life larger than the universe's age. < 1307653596 171721 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1307653631 140417 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is about 1.3*10^9 years < 1307653631 835013 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1307653632 570759 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION still finds it unintuitive that a probability 0 event can occur.
< 1307653642 242966 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I understand it, it's just weird < 1307653671 885081 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and 10^15 years is the *lower bound* on the half life. < 1307653687 978166 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Technically, there are no events with probability 0 in reality. < 1307653704 283958 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just events with probability sufficiently low that their floating point representation is 0. :P < 1307653728 918519 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, I was totally doing the whole tantalum-180m thing like a month ago get with the nuclear times. < 1307653784 38986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best giraffe has yet to exist < 1307653803 193500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var "uh oh" < 1307653803 963709 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : uh oh < 1307653806 3440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1307653834 53430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:54:46: Mmmkay, patches pushed upstream. < 1307653834 750861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:56:49: Which feels kinda weird, TBH. < 1307653844 230596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: To musl or util-linux-ng or what? :P < 1307653851 94317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, util-linux-ng < 1307653851 744596 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: util-linux. < 1307653865 32641 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have some more to push in a bit. < 1307653873 494766 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. "When I feel like it". < 1307653878 606406 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> thanks "pikhq" < 1307653879 381658 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `thanks' < 1307653883 199371 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott < 1307653885 479020 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened < 1307653888 658751 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To thanks < 1307653888 821207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oerjan broke it < 1307653891 828557 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan < 1307653895 214296 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are terrible < 1307653906 647938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?let thanks xs = if any ((`elem` "aeiou") . toLower) xs then text . (++ ".") . (("Thanks, " ++ xs ++ ". Th") ++) . dropWhile ((`notElem` "aeiou") . toLower) $ xs else text "What are you, Welsh?" < 1307653907 608354 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1307653912 150612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> thanks "util-linux" < 1307653913 660547 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Thanks, util-linux. Thutil-linux. < 1307653927 855362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:04:39: hm what about just i < 1307653928 209321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:10:05: `c```csx = ````csx(*) = ```s(```*x(*))x(*) = ``(```*x(*))(*)`x(*) = ```(*)x(*) = x < 1307653929 447724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what prompted dis < 1307653945 999976 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an unlambda interpreter in haskell? < 1307653950 155759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, previous line < 1307653960 243085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: it takes like ten minutes to write one, so almost certainly < 1307653962 154635 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1307653963 236810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan probably has one, even :P < 1307653978 927206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1307653979 456236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://home.nvg.org/~oerjan/esoteric/Unlambda.hs < 1307653986 987990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what < 1307653987 344734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~dons/code/lambdabot/scripts/Unlambda.hs < 1307653989 106395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dons changed it < 1307653991 247464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what he changed? < 1307653999 487046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: < 1307654003 97497 :CakeProphet!~adam@h9.58.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307654003 538261 :CakeProphet!~adam@h9.58.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1307654003 700403 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1307654006 563983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, time limited < 1307654007 777938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and output too < 1307654009 879947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be what's in lambdabot < 1307654036 388467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:16:50: "Someone said "I know, let's make a porn version of The Human Centipede!". And others listened. And now it's out on DVD. May the gods forgive us." https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/The_Human_Sexipede , via Reddit. < 1307654036 735378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:16:54: :( < 1307654036 898416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing < 1307654050 558828 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1307654051 675723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A parody of The Human Centipede, in 'The Human Sexipede', Dr. Heiter kidnaps two young American girls and an Asian man, all of whom are unable to achieve sexual satisfaction through everyday sexual behaviour. He presents them with the idea of joining them Mouth to Genitals, so that they are able to continually pleasure each other by way of oral sex and finally achieve sexual satisfaction. < 1307654055 723999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did he need to kidnap them < 1307654067 528054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he "presents them with the idea" why couldn't he just like tell them < 1307654071 231740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kidnapping seems totally superfluous < 1307654074 854143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS PORN HAS A REALLY BAD PLOT < 1307654103 107814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Human Centipede II (Full Sequence) is an upcoming British horror film directed by Dutch filmmaker Tom Six. The sequel to 2010's Dutch film The Human Centipede (First Sequence), the film has been scheduled for release on DVD in 2011 but has been banned from distribution in the United Kingdom due to its explicit content." < 1307654105 923952 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's porn. You expect good writing? < 1307654112 239743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't buy the sequel to human centipede < 1307654112 951762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1307654114 525118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION crushed
< 1307654122 286483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The film centres on an antagonist called Martin (Laurence Harvey), who becomes sexually obsessed with a DVD recording of the film within the film, The Human Centipede (First Sequence). In the DVD, a surgeon kidnaps three people and surgically connects them mouth-to-anus. Martin masturbates as he watches the film, with sandpaper wrapped around his penis. He subsequently creates his own twelve-person "human centipede" and gains sexual gratification < 1307654122 608096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the pain, humiliation and suffering of his victims. He is shown to become aroused whenever a member of his centipede defecates, and their faeces are forced into the mouth of the victim behind them. He rapes the woman at the rear of the centipede, with barbed wire wrapped around his penis.[1] < 1307654124 567494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meta < 1307654150 556133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He rapes the woman at the rear of the centipede, with barbed wire wrapped around his penis." < 1307654151 432519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :man what < 1307654162 637497 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's clearly a depiction of what the same film is doing to the audience. < 1307654170 911726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tom Six claimed the sequel would be much more graphic and disturbing , making the first film seem like "My Little Pony compared with part two." < 1307654196 265503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comparing Full Sequence with the first film; the BBFC said that whilst First Sequence was "undoubtedly tasteless and disgusting",[11] the content of First Sequence had been acceptable for release because the centipede of said film was the product of a "revolting medical experiment". < 1307654203 276971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's OK if you don't get off on it < 1307654211 205437 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the human centipede is kind of disgusting < 1307654215 30300 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :'medical experiment' o < 1307654221 668997 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The doctor who did it was getting off on it. < 1307654234 31232 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half the premise is that he had a sick fetish. < 1307654236 100707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Six criticised the BBFC for including film spoilers in their report" < 1307654237 503080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Six criticised the BBFC for including film spoilers in their report" < 1307654238 29157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Six criticised the BBFC for including film spoilers in their report" < 1307654238 415426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Six criticised the BBFC for including film spoilers in their report" < 1307654246 770967 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoiler alert < 1307654249 584984 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :people will be jointed mouth to anus < 1307654258 107143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and barbed wire will be wrapped around a penis < 1307654316 866540 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have mixed feelings about this. First, it's an absolutely, horrifying concept without any artistic merit. Second, fiction should never ever ever ever be banned. Ever. < 1307654325 17060 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you're joining people mouth to anus. < 1307654373 862493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its pretty hilarious imo < 1307654381 468225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :banning it is just stupid, no mixed feelings < 1307654395 132363 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81e597.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1307654411 602249 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want a fucking sequel published at all. But I don't want to stop any sick fuck from doing so, either. < 1307654434 226724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see what you have against it, people can film anything they want if they're not harming anyone < 1307654454 30600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the first film was pretty funny < 1307654456 839233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't seen it though < 1307654469 122251 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so I infer that you are completely opposed to hate speech laws? < 1307654469 318195 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's more "brain bleach" kinda reaction than anything else. < 1307654483 892424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "if they're not harming anyone" < 1307654493 503197 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sure, people should be able to film anything they want if they're not harming anyone. < 1307654501 871452 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, define 'harm', then. < 1307654502 33766 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't mean I want them to. < 1307654506 965496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That's for the courts :P < 1307654528 805323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously paying a bunch of consenting actors to pretend to be sewn together isn't harming anyone. < 1307654540 551185 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and if the court rule that Human Centipede 2 is harmful? < 1307654548 856733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Then I believe they'll have made the wrong decision. < 1307654572 214003 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And making a film called "Let's Kill All The Jews" doesn't harm anyone involved in the production. < 1307654604 7061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but depicting a bunch of people sewn together isn't harming any minority either. < 1307654617 227718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who aren't sewn together is a pretty large majority, in fact. < 1307654621 553744 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81e597.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe the answer is: no tolerance for intolarance < 1307654624 721661 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81e597.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoover < 1307654624 884826 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1307654628 955251 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The mere act of producing such a thing does not really harm anyone. < 1307654655 369688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Anyway, it's not like neo-Nazis can't watch "Let's Kill All The Jews" if they want to anyway; it's called the internet. < 1307654665 585989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hate speech laws are probably ineffective in such an instance. < 1307654686 707126 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That said, hate speech laws get very annoying edge cases. It's kinda inherent in the concept... < 1307654688 718476 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan probably has one, even :P <-- the one on hackage is based on mine < 1307654715 81346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect would have been banned from publication if it was written quite a bit earlier < 1307654725 667784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that it has been published other than self-) < 1307654734 276616 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most definitely. < 1307654746 484634 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, it does seem that the BBFC has simply refused to classify it, which isn't quite banning it. < 1307654775 485407 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : What happened <-- when anyone anywhere issues the @undefine command to lambdabot, all @let's are discarded. sorry, that's just the way it is. < 1307654776 912707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When classifying First Sequence, the BBFC had also taken legal advice that the film was not in breach of the Obscene Publications Act.[12] In contrast, the BBFC felt that the centipede of Full Sequence existed as purely "the object of the protagonist's depraved sexual fantasy".[11] < 1307654792 742066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That seems like they're at least strongly implying it would be illegal to publish it in their view < 1307654799 420430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BBFC's report heavily criticised the film as making "little attempt to portray any of the victims in the film as anything other than objects to be brutalised, degraded and mutilated for the amusement and arousal of the central character, as well as for the pleasure of the audience"[1] and that the film was potentially in breach of the Obscene Publications Act, meaning its distribution in the UK (either in physical or download format) would be < 1307654799 592240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : illegal[13], The BBFC stated that they would not reclassify the film in future, as "no amount of cuts would allow them to give it a certificate".[13] < 1307654807 71822 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Since you can't sell unclassified works in the UK, it is pretty much banned. < 1307654808 392008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So yeah, they've said distributing it would be illegal. < 1307654811 398838 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Potentially in breach, not actually in breach. < 1307654821 12132 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, non-exempt video works. < 1307654829 858548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, they could go against the BBFC, but I bet they'd lose in court. < 1307654836 497783 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: what prompted dis <-- i started wondering about the power of just ` c and s < 1307654840 58981 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether it's actually banned-as-in-you-can't-watch-it is unclear unless the courts decide one way or the other. < 1307654853 263945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's obviously not banned to watch, just distribute < 1307654873 914329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:37:52: "Back in the summer of '87 he owned a giant venomous lizard. It somehow managed to escape, which led to the police shooting it with a shotgun. Because of the lack of laws against lizards, he was charged with possession of a "venomous, tree climbing alligator". < 1307654874 94377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:37:56: The above story was reported in Weekly World News as "police battle giant lizard". As a result, this is the only true and verifiable story ever reported in that tabloid." < 1307654874 256602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:38:02: Aaaand continue laughing. < 1307654875 680917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rationalwiki :( < 1307654917 906447 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's from RW? < 1307654920 896571 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81e597.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you say speech laws exclude the freedom of language and the ability of express everything you want to say? < 1307654939 953809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i googled, it is < 1307654978 353409 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: I think you a word. < 1307655036 119606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:25:10: it's much much easier to introduce tau than pi though < 1307655036 318191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:25:19: if you're ever speaking to a pi unfamiliar audience just add one line: let tau = 2*pi < 1307655036 318392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:25:22: and then proceed as normal < 1307655047 535824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: disadvantage: anyone who actually knows mathematics will ignore everything that follows < 1307655049 197813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: wow that meme is hard to parse without an adverb in there to make it clearer < 1307655063 420208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't object to tau on principle, but it's such a stupid thing to "advocate" because it's so fucking minor. < 1307655068 451665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as the no-adverb version is grammatically a correct sentence that means something else < 1307655075 403792 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is essentially my position on the matter. < 1307655082 777673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone who makes a point of writing an entire serious work with it is probably too annoying to listen to. < 1307655114 146571 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think it's one of many reasons I need a time machine. < 1307655173 511465 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also, of course, a large swath of missing Doctor Who episodes, and Hitler needs to go to art school. < 1307655178 633361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just choose units so that pi = 1? < 1307655193 65481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:49:30: ...how did elliott get fixity declarations. < 1307655194 996450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by asking oerjan < 1307655197 489541 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Non-integral bases are annoying. < 1307655201 658195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Change the units of multiplication? :P < 1307655209 354238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: pikhq_'s reply is better < 1307655216 765069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: WWII not happening would probably be a Bad Thing. < 1307655226 680033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a Different Thing, at least < 1307655239 305334 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Balls, it's true. < 1307655241 46123 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot, it's a pedagogy thing not a 'this will make math BETTER' thing < 1307655243 97739 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could argue that it would make the probability of a disastrous war in the 20th century. < 1307655247 303441 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*much higher. < 1307655250 689869 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's go for a more radical change. < 1307655265 73288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Someone who would write a paper with tau is someone who would write a paper with diaereses and Spivak pronouns. < 1307655274 934855 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since WWII led to the Cold War, which was actually pretty good as a way of enforcing general peace. < 1307655279 461870 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should never write a paper with tau < 1307655282 91810 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :only teach classes with tau < 1307655282 496947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, all these things are perfectly well and good, but I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THEM, GET TO THE POINT. < 1307655289 672702 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's keep Rome going for longer. < 1307655292 304975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know when Asimov wrote a novel about time travel, he introduced the rule "any change to the past that isn't completely and categorically incompatible with the state of the present before the change will have only minor effects on its future past a few hundred years or so" < 1307655295 486924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Thus creating an even greater barrier between mathematics as taught in school and actual mathematics < 1307655296 543922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWESOME < 1307655298 374306 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : why not just choose units so that pi = 1? <-- -----### < 1307655301 135952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S DEFINITELY WHAT WE NEED < 1307655303 987373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. "accidental changes to the past tend to not have knock-on effects" < 1307655311 540062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was the only way to keep it vaguely sane < 1307655312 693797 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just another, oh, few decades would give us the Industrial Revolution instead of the Dark Ages. < 1307655318 779406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it still introduced a sort of meta-time that remained stable < 1307655327 795783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as such, wasn't all that good a time travel novel < 1307655333 782940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I kind of want a machine that can tell me What Would Have Been if one specific thing had been different < 1307655342 775886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ouch < 1307655344 476327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: unfortunately, it'd just lead to me regretting 90 percent of my decisions < 1307655351 782071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1307655362 183182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'd think more like 50%, unless there were more than two choices < 1307655362 834896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't make me stop wanting it, because I don't know what's good for me < 1307655363 142467 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It also ended with the destruction of that meta-time. So... < 1307655371 990800 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, use a quantum RNG to make all decisions. < 1307655373 403787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: when are there ever exactly two choices? < 1307655388 237627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, it depends on how you measure choicse < 1307655389 734135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*choices < 1307655396 192957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose there's always the out-of-field solution < 1307655400 455802 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine. Instead of the Crusades, we'd have a Roman Internet. < 1307655417 166455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. randomly punching someone nearby rather than doing or not doing what the choice was apparently about < 1307655419 158811 :cheater01!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-246-15.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1307655427 626708 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that leads to smug alternate elliott sneering at you from his perfect reality. < 1307655432 816202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I don't think it ended up destroyed, just shunted into a state where timetravel was impossible < 1307655439 365741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it corresponded exactly to natural time from then on < 1307655440 505093 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, I'm kind of glad the ancient world collapsed. < 1307655451 124754 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It ended with the creation of the time line we live in. < 1307655457 373073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Although that leads to smug alternate elliott sneering at you from his perfect reality. < 1307655459 334037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote IN AN ALTERNATE < 1307655460 587836 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​17) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. Second, learn the rest with your NEW MIND-COMPUTER INTERFACE. \ 23) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: there is plenty of room to get head twice at once \ 24) In an alternate universe, ehird has taste \ 25) IN AN < 1307655477 682239 :cheater01!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-246-15.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1307655486 192401 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: How so? < 1307655492 779188 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just another, oh, few decades would give us the Industrial Revolution instead of the Dark Ages. <-- at the end hadn't rome declined too much to achieve anything like that... you'd want to at least prevent the crisis of the third century < 1307655495 899259 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, they... kind of sucked. < 1307655503 775815 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Okay, well, true. < 1307655515 78727 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the Greeks *had* electricity, the beginnings of calculus, steam... < 1307655542 886262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT HAVE THE GRECO-ROMANS EVER DONE FOR US < 1307655543 276304 :cheater3!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-246-15.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1307655545 442671 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The world sucked up until the 20th century, TBH. < 1307655550 798348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: no < 1307655551 847292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the world sucks < 1307655560 813149 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just didn't develop it, because their society wasn't geared towards technological change in the same way the later societies were. < 1307655592 592651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, the technology they had at the time was sufficient for them < 1307655597 598053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there wasn't much reason to upgrade < 1307655614 284081 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Uh, later societies were *really* poorly geared towards technological change. And arguably still are. < 1307655636 769143 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, not to the extent that they just looked at it and said 'meh'. < 1307655651 369064 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they looked at it and said "THE DEVIL!" < 1307655698 587684 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was referring to Enlightenment-era Europe, not Dark Ages Europe. < 1307655700 516496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the world isn't the bible belt < 1307655736 999022 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You realise that the Dark Ages weren't the fall of the Empire to the 1800s, right? < 1307655746 269171 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes yes yes... < 1307655786 871466 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That *is* about the time span where we were fucking *behind* on tech, though. < 1307655881 831730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly rabbit, the middle ages never happened < 1307655950 885337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:34:53: 23:21 pikhq: Oh, right. He prefers the insane solution. < 1307655951 90513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:34:53: 23:21 pikhq: (in this case, per-OS Makefiles) < 1307655951 90681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:34:54: nope < 1307655951 90784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:36:10: ehird: What do you prefer? < 1307655952 656822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:36:18: pikhq: not using c :) < 1307655956 836906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:36:31: Ah, yes. The ignorant solution. < 1307655958 761947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_ past you hurts my feelings < 1307655960 860011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ( < 1307655962 263363 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : That *is* about the time span where we were fucking *behind* on tech, though. < 1307655967 864413 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1307656017 302668 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Europe was pulling ahead by the 1700s. < 1307656034 691784 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when it started pulling ahead, it pulled ahead *fast*. < 1307656034 854580 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, what's a century, anyways? :P < 1307656066 611799 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, yeah, once it got to the level that the Romans had, it fucking *launched*. < 1307656189 483763 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. One thing the Romans didn't have that would have really made the Industrial Revolution non-feasible is gunpowder... < 1307656237 67630 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which encouraged a lot of development in metallurgy. < 1307656288 347746 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/non-// < 1307656320 983980 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most notably, efficient production of steel. < 1307656370 215693 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I specify "efficient production", because steel itself is a heck of a lot older than you think) < 1307656506 54978 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How old do you think I think steel is. < 1307656521 139510 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, who are you actually saying all these things to. < 1307656533 282439 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, good point, you're not ignorant like the average American. :P < 1307656556 662511 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And honestly, I think I started monologing somewhere in there for no good reason. < 1307656618 130725 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be your latent evil overlord genes < 1307656671 574663 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307656815 762315 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1307656817 863509 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1307656841 134961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:31:40: David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, in a vat of chocolate; only his less slightly paces can go faster. < 1307656844 287179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a genius < 1307657061 185766 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. OpenJDK is now the reference implementation of Java. < 1307657073 4804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your MOM is now the reference implementation of YOUR MOM. < 1307657077 301551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]FACE < 1307657113 90631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that sentence seems to interpret "slightly" as an adjective, and even taking that into account I still can't parse it < 1307657128 435420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:31:32: David slowed (his pace slightly) as (his ears, in a vat of chocolate); only his less slightly paces can go faster. < 1307657132 613149 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2007/10/javascript-parser-combinators.html oooh < 1307657170 199842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theory: Sgeo is Chris Double, pretending to be Sgeo. < 1307657200 446006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidence: Double likes Creatures. (End evidence.) < 1307657237 47279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, right, the first "slightly" is a noun < 1307657238 405987 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-6-94.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1307657248 955757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the sentence merely makes no sense, rather than being unparseable < 1307657254 643754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that's an improvement < 1307657262 232989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: David slowed his ears, which were in a vat of chocolate. < 1307657270 658515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :David also slowed his [pace slightly] in a similar manner. < 1307657280 502967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only his less slightly paces can handle the faster speeds. < 1307657281 991933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so "as" = "as well as" here < 1307657284 356772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that should explain it for you < 1307657290 62860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I think so < 1307657295 240373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1307657306 151172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually pace is the noun there. < 1307657309 999241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"His pace slightly" = "His slightly pace". < 1307657312 285157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. "the grass green" < 1307657323 913661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a pace is, and how it can be slightly, is up for the reader to decide. < 1307657331 799032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]is for < 1307657414 724283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, for he had the slightest ears in the land. < 1307657432 5139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah, I parsed it as "his pace 'slightly'", in that it was the pace's name < 1307657439 66583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha < 1307657446 982602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"less slightly paces" makes no sense then, though < 1307657457 445573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I parsed it as an adjective that time < 1307657468 781718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing says it has to be parsed consistently, right? < 1307657475 879461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"only his less Joe friends could be so nice" < 1307657505 169817 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307657516 833212 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I wasn't actually asleep and I need to share this: < 1307657530 8244 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you watch NASA backwards, it's about a space agency that has no spaceflight capability, then does low-orbit flights, then lands on moon." < 1307657548 955219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1307657560 375839 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK seriously sleep now. < 1307657562 81130 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Client Quit < 1307657562 924163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, like most sentences in this novel, did gently but surely and definitely yet somehow trail off in a manner that was... But I digress. < 1307657643 579629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, adding sleep_until() to a language can make it Turing-complete < 1307657682 44998 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, took a while to understand that NASA joke < 1307657685 931654 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :There once was a lady of Niger; who smiled as she rode on a tiger. They returned from the ride, with the lady inside, and the smile on the face on the tiger. < 1307657692 312874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Seriously? :P < 1307657708 821223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is that semicolon right? or is it actually part of the weirdness, hmm < 1307657716 526040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it's not weird < 1307657722 870503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the lady was implied to be inside the face of the tiger < 1307657723 579148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow < 1307657736 870787 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah, first I thought "but... that's forwards!" and then "oooh! I see!" < 1307657758 922993 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i just tried to digress about a nigress and a tigress, is all < 1307657765 731903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what NASA joke? < 1307657771 713283 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the NASA one < 1307657789 383331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, for some reason I skipped it in scrollback < 1307657799 636657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, that's a pretty good observation < 1307657815 992008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there must be some clever way to tie that into an in-soviet-russia joke, but I'm not seeing it right now < 1307657837 819717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's have some groupthink sentiment that nobody will disagree with: some funds need directing from the us military to nasa :( < 1307657860 927941 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My voice is my passport. Verify me." did not originate with Uplink? < 1307657862 124080 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh < 1307657880 107896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this space research is only useful if it gets us a second habitable planet to live on, given that we're using up the resources of the current one too quickly < 1307657889 167597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: most parts of uplink are references to bad films, why would you expect that to be different? < 1307657895 645784 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's from some... movie or tv series... one that I've seen < 1307657906 358782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Understanding the universe is inherently worthwhile, IMO < 1307657913 219476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Sneakers < 1307657917 420518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Says Google < 1307657933 329058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: understanding the universe is /possible/? < 1307657945 67323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Are you saying the universe can't be understood at all? < 1307657954 795546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would imply that physics doesn't exist as a subject. < 1307657959 646945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or science of any sort really < 1307657963 495610 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, it's that magic crypto chip movie < 1307657968 540652 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we really need another planet? Would a space station that had mining operations on other objects in our solar system be good enough? < 1307657981 745374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think it's truly understandable, but I think you can get decent approximations that hold up a reasonable proportion of the time < 1307657986 341809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's probably easier to terraform Mars than do that :P < 1307657993 361471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, for a large group of people < 1307658001 603492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You're saying that you don't believe the universe has a consistent set of laws? < 1307658015 624381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously? < 1307658028 463460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think the situation in which the universe doesn't make sense is more likely than the situation in which it does < 1307658039 845159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not using the words "make sense" on purpose. < 1307658046 356967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please answer my question without rewording it. < 1307658066 514104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not entirely sure your question has a non-misleading answer < 1307658081 63975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the extent that I'm not sure what the correct answer is < 1307658087 754357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a yes-or-no question < 1307658091 597134 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is quite conceivable that there are always new, unpredictable exotic particles to be found randomly as you increase to higher energy levels. and that's just an obvious idea from the research that is already being done... < 1307658096 514663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the universe have a consistent set of laws, or is it completely illogical? < 1307658100 472808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that doesn't mean I necessarily know the answer < 1307658105 818842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In your opinion. < 1307658110 741134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm not sure that those are opposites < 1307658119 118497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you don't know what I mean by "illogical". < 1307658125 737467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but completely illogical seems the most likely out of those two possibilities < 1307658130 634545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*more likely < 1307658144 159628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In your estimation, is there a logically consistent axiomatic system in which there are a group of statements which comprise a complete description of how our universe operates? < 1307658157 610901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1307658161 177708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1307658168 652979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be very surprised if there were < 1307658191 779216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Final question: Do you realise that even the physical existence (somehow, say encoded into atoms) of Chaitin's constant would be permissable under my question? < 1307658206 354544 :cheater3!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-246-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, space research gave you non-stick frying pans!!!!!!!!!! < 1307658208 26394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't see how Chaitin's constant has anything to do with it < 1307658219 815169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater3: I don't think I've ever used one of those < 1307658222 791887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It is not directly related, but I would like an answer. < 1307658225 370061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the same coating used on saucepans? I've used those < 1307658232 585358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "permissable under my question"? < 1307658245 601122 :cheater3!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-246-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, do you cook? < 1307658249 370421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater3: rarely < 1307658253 752325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I need food, sometimes < 1307658257 821237 :cheater3!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-246-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :philistine! < 1307658260 185758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I prefer reheating tins < 1307658264 645709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: As in: Do you realise that a universe in which there is a physical realisation of the entirety of Chaitin's constant could still be logical under my definition? < 1307658265 820609 :cheater3!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-246-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus < 1307658271 85428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just buying ingredients on the spot and eating them raw < 1307658279 381884 :cheater3!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-246-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not surprised you're so lackluster sometimes < 1307658285 679376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, that doesn't seem to be surprising < 1307658297 811718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: And you still affirm your answer to my question about axiomatic systems, yes? < 1307658298 935991 :cheater3!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-246-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION teaches ais523 how to cook in 1203498 simple steps.
< 1307658304 671398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1307658311 823633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater3: oh, I know how to in theory < 1307658322 602727 :cheater3!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-246-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no such thing as cooking theory < 1307658325 568915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just doesn't seem worth spending that much time when I can achieve a similar result more simply < 1307658340 594172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Then we have COMPLETELY and fundamentally different worldviews, and can never agree on any statement related to the material world, at all. < 1307658342 982222 :cheater3!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-246-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :for very small values of similar < 1307658381 504777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that seems to fit with what's happened in this channel so far < 1307658390 345743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can approximately agree, though, which is good enough < 1307658394 526551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it isn't < 1307658405 207823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have completely rejected all forms of logic as a valid basis for the universe < 1307658412 933536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is _literally_ impossible for us to agree on anything < 1307658416 625547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is not purely mathematical) < 1307658424 32424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think that follows < 1307658471 756521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what do you think? Are there laws of physics? < 1307658503 321707 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :insufficient data for meaningful answer < 1307658539 827887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1307658578 186026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I feel really strongly that I have miscommunicated with you, because your position, as it appears to me, is one of the few things I am completely decisive and sure about and which everyone I've talked to will agree completely with < 1307658614 350903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly scared that you think it, actually (note: not the same thing as "I believe it because the alternative scares me") < 1307658782 422900 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1307658782 777354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1307659008 476203 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I agree with ais523 on this one. < 1307659025 656036 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think it's such a huge difference in perspective to make it /impossible/ to agree on /anything/. < 1307659028 659027 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you put it. < 1307659048 452265 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: while i merely /expect/ I've miscommunicated with ais523, I am something like ninety percent sure I've miscommunicated with you about it < 1307659071 473824 :cheater3!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-246-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference between a LIFO and a FILO? < 1307659079 576091 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this isn't because I think you're an idiot or anything, just that I was phrasing my statements purely for ais523, and I seem to have an easier time communicating with him on questions which resemble the one I made than I do with you) < 1307659096 76628 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I note that it _does_ make it impossible to agree on anything _about the universe_ < 1307659096 340840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater3: a FILO is a sort of pastry < 1307659102 734190 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like it's impossible to argue with someone who rejects logic < 1307659120 801870 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just noticed the awesomeness of the [S] Make Her Pay preloader
< 1307659122 159805 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is impossible to argue about a logical statement about the universe if you think the universe is not logical < 1307659124 299767 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater3: never heard the word FILO used < 1307659127 646724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: how do you know that the sort of logic you subscribe to is the one the universe actually follows? < 1307659141 668798 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm too busy reeling from the shock to discuss this further right now, sorry < 1307659142 867318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's more than one, you know < 1307659175 199160 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIFO and FIFO is the usual distinction < 1307659211 551124 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :FILO and LILO :) < 1307659312 348640 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :LILO == FIFO and LIFO == FILO < 1307659336 122568 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is possible to think that the known laws of physics are incomplete while also thinking that they are almost never broken to any detectable degree. < 1307659373 826727 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is pretty much the case with current version of Standard Model + General Relativity < 1307659448 116899 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only don't see them broken so much because the scales they break on are almost incomprehensible < 1307659480 633356 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :incomprehensible ~ hard to probe and detect, there < 1307659492 135778 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah sure < 1307659495 442087 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds physics hard ok
< 1307659513 457906 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, but that just means we have not _found_ the laws yet < 1307659540 637794 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's how relativity and quantum physics arose, after all < 1307659541 970386 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: there does not have to be an _actual_ set of laws for a good approximation to exist < 1307659551 191910 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Of course not, who said that? < 1307659564 804514 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Man with dead polecat-like creature accused of #esoteric assault | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1307659567 509478 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can there -not- be laws? < 1307659606 60184 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :one must have laws or there will be no order! < 1307659634 574603 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could segway into anarchy now... < 1307659654 455958 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a bad idea, as I will die. < 1307659796 646917 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]segue < 1307659799 974688 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although segway is amusing too < 1307659800 137298 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Ultimately, it is unknowable whether or not the universe is logical. < 1307659809 753862 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Or, indeed, if it exists. < 1307659811 570056 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soo... < 1307659814 770914 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it exists < 1307659817 570259 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a tautology < 1307659826 248426 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i was reminded of that guy i read about segwaying off a cliff < 1307659829 17366 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, rather, "the universe as we observe it". < 1307659831 79272 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that any set of non-trivial axiomatic laws for the universe will be inconsistent or unable to prove its own completeness. Thus, while we can certainly make pretty good approximations of how the universe works, I don't think we can ever be certain that we have discovered everything that can be known about it. This doesn't disprove that a complete system might exist, but it makes unlikely that we'll ever know wha < 1307659838 608444 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway, unknowable doesn't mean you can't have a belief about it, this is a fundamental opinion equivalent to saying "physics /does not work/ in the longest term" < 1307659844 12369 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you mean the guy who bought the company? :) < 1307659851 96378 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly, it exists at *least* in the sense that there is some place that my mind exists. < 1307659864 203036 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i vaguely recall something like that < 1307659907 162086 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, true. I am pretty sure that the universe as observed exists and follows logical laws. < 1307659909 586313 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it was < 1307659918 356094 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, in so far as I have observed it, it does. < 1307660556 628657 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yow! Legally imposed CULTURE-reduction is CABBAGE-BRAINED! < 1307660624 358694 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote You have no idea how desperately I want to avoid being a GC guy :P Every year I go to ISMM and Doug Lea gives me a bizarrely-cheery "Hello!" and I'm like "awww shit I'm in memory management" < 1307660625 481885 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​447) You have no idea how desperately I want to avoid being a GC guy :P Every year I go to ISMM and Doug Lea gives me a bizarrely-cheery "Hello!" and I'm like "awww shit I'm in memory management" < 1307660679 632243 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: it's just tricking you into thinking so *MWAHAHAHA* < 1307660691 32369 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That is entirelty unknowable. < 1307660693 903758 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Entirely, too. < 1307660720 374120 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, *for now* < 1307660789 201759 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, I actually have magic powers. < 1307660794 910981 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto sup < 1307660805 516855 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Did you continue reading Homestuck, btw? :p < 1307660822 777703 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Demonstrate it or STFU, n00b. :P < 1307660834 771702 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: die to death < 1307660853 648186 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm this reminds me of this idea i had, that maybe i don't actually exist more than a moment and every new moment i will be someone entirely different with different memories which might make it _seem_ like i am existing in a continuity < 1307660857 72544 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How else would one die? < 1307660875 469093 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only to disappear again the next one < 1307660879 978316 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: die t... to life < 1307660888 395986 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: see: Boltzmann brain < 1307660908 304740 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yudkowsky or someone actually came up with a fairly decent argument that we're not Boltzmann brains, IIRC < 1307660912 519823 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what it was, though < 1307660947 226696 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is quite important, otherwise you have to consider that you never existed before now and won't exist after now a pretty plausible hypothesis) < 1307660975 367164 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have some friends who have had similar thoughts. Granted they were on acid, so it was probably more like a delusion than a thought. < 1307661023 19457 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A friend had this thought on acid" -- words which never precede anything of interest < 1307661031 292808 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :One friend found "God" this way, apparently. < 1307661060 697407 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being in a state of hallucination is probably the best way to perceive a god, I guess. < 1307661080 803963 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to tell him what was wrong with that entire idea, but he doesn't see it. < 1307661106 307463 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be worth considering that he's an idiot < 1307661129 824824 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, he is. < 1307661138 881204 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a programmer too. Imagine that. < 1307661153 195606 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything observed whilst on a hallucinogen is *most probably* not going to have much bearing on reality. < 1307661161 407317 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well then he's definitely an idiot < 1307661163 680961 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;;;;;;;;;;;DDDDDDdddddddd < 1307661177 447489 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it may be a good source of art. < 1307661178 200018 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: this has been my long-standing hypothesis as well. It seems to be pretty true. < 1307661178 755788 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: boltzmann brains is not quite what i was thinking of, i wasn't saying the change from one identity to another is _random_. also boltzmann brains seem to have at least limited continuity. < 1307661193 792773 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was just saying they are similar concepts < 1307661219 41660 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: At least insofar as we can observe, hallucinogens create incorrect observations. So, yeah. < 1307661225 332864 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what does this theory say about cabbage brains? < 1307661230 271937 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: so does thinking < 1307661278 822275 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-23.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Sorry, *even more* incorrect observations than we already have. < 1307661288 508993 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a cabbage brain < 1307661296 274847 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: oooh, you just raise the SICK BURN meter. < 1307661306 147589 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what a cabbage uses to think < 1307661309 789258 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a brain that seeks to legally impose culture reduction. < 1307661318 238739 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i was being serious < 1307661319 389209 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's culture reduction < 1307661324 607575 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what a culture uses to reduce < 1307661333 996206 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: right, but your statemenet doesn't really contradict anything he said. < 1307661334 200870 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81e597.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the ideas of henry bergson.. it implies that the brains functions have more the character of reduction < 1307661337 983857 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81e597.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a filter < 1307661344 688520 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I was pointing out that what he was saying didn't really mean anything < 1307661359 536852 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81e597.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which at last allows you identify with yourself < 1307661373 809345 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81e597.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and keep thing quite smooth < 1307661377 918239 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: uh... good question actually. < 1307661387 695528 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't know, but emacs has all the answers for you. < 1307661401 626205 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. i will never know either, then. < 1307661420 390934 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you will if you M-x psychoanalyze-pinhead < 1307661441 646526 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, zippy < 1307661458 517519 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or m-x yow < 1307661479 811214 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls reading zippy the pinhead in the newspaper when he was visiting seattle
< 1307661552 255363 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :?yow < 1307661552 452003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't find fortune file < 1307661556 868345 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1307661571 334565 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run fortune < 1307661572 393413 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1307661574 859605 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww. < 1307661578 561547 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY'VE LOBOTOMIZED LAMBDABOT < 1307661586 353919 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh fortune < 1307661587 801469 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp/input.9942: line 1: fortune: command not found < 1307661590 814054 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yow! < 1307661596 278114 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: when was that, seventeen hundreds? < 1307661604 366117 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: plz to be install fortune < 1307661608 25506 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :1996 < 1307661626 117507 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that's like the dark ages, man < 1307661628 645655 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure < 1307661633 359131 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they didn't have aeroplanes then dude. < 1307661640 731297 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was only a year old. < 1307661643 572565 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't fool me < 1307661649 372043 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wai t < 1307661649 633888 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was 5.
< 1307661650 463602 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i was hoping for close enough < 1307661652 348928 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you go on a ship < 1307661655 271777 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like with a sail and everything < 1307661658 472189 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: heh :D < 1307661678 370722 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw if you want a certain response just /msg me it, i'm all for manufacturing good irc < 1307661698 137119 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW COULD YOU DO SUCH A THING < 1307661745 889131 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc corp: manufacturing good irc for you and babies < 1307661765 898857 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much for the babies < 1307661786 300361 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is ketchup included < 1307661850 931763 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1307661855 456665 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://codu.org/davidslowed/ < 1307661856 510023 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember this < 1307661857 35170 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are they prepared? < 1307661865 290976 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boiled, grilled, smoked? < 1307661868 38081 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1307661869 236771 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​125) okay I see it now, quines do exist < 1307661880 576864 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pickled? < 1307661895 740991 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that only works in Python. < 1307661915 42790 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I've never heard of any of those other serialization methods. < 1307661917 498630 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Python: It pickles babies" < 1307661944 99920 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1307661945 317644 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​186) colon is where your ass comes from right < 1307661986 350652 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks myndzi is an elliottf
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ACTION thinks elliott_ is an elliottf
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ACTION * myndzi * fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f
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ACTION thinks elliott_ * fgh1 * fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f fgh1f
< 1307662020 90187 :fgh1!~elliott@95.149.243.122 NICK :elliott < 1307662022 235133 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.243.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn, it was fixed :) < 1307662026 618548 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, I remember that :P < 1307662032 412456 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.243.122 QUIT :Changing host < 1307662032 575343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1307662065 893512 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (( okay I see it now, quines do exist)!a(:^)*S):^ < 1307662066 551345 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​(( okay I see it now, quines do exist)!a(:^)*S):^ < 1307662140 291390 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wicked point in quine-space, brocephus. < 1307662186 421566 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the universe is a quine, what are the cosmological implications? discuss! < 1307662196 156325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: whoaaaaaaaaaaa maaaaaaaan < 1307662202 913610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im so HIGH on these DRUGS you are TELLING ME....... < 1307662208 257190 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that collection if hugely-optimized intrinsics like memset for various archs? < 1307662218 380915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Superoptimised stuff? < 1307662224 492302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a paper with a metric fuckton of them < 1307662235 687580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Superoptimisation: provably optimal code generation using answer ... < 1307662235 850217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by T Crick - 2009 - Related articles < 1307662235 850334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Superoptimisation: provably optimal code generation using answer set ... < 1307662235 850382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :opus.bath.ac.uk/20352/ - Cached < 1307662236 926892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuff like that < 1307662242 844038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget the exact term < 1307662261 812833 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I want is the fastest one-instruction x86_64 memset given that I always have a number of word-size things to zero. < 1307662274 188441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :One-instruction? < 1307662280 239056 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why I wrote that :P < 1307662282 886805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one-instruction memsets are ... slow :P < 1307662283 265628 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fastest is what's important :P < 1307662295 565062 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously that'd be "call memset" < 1307662313 574409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: If you want one-instruction, "rep movsdw" or whatever the ATandT mnemonic is would do. < 1307662319 557136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR that kind of stuff is pretty slow nowadays, though. < 1307662348 574838 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: while (ptrs--) *ptr++ = NULL; is currently behaving reliably faster than memset. < 1307662359 782776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :glibc memset? < 1307662361 990490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz < 1307662368 310715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :" BTW the AMD manual for K7 (or might be K6 optimisation manual? don't < 1307662368 485848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : exactly remember) goes into great detail about both memcpy() and < 1307662368 835169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : memset(). Turns out there's about five different cases. < 1307662370 781282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the meantime Deewiant has told me that on 64 bit glibc memset is better and < 1307662372 709335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on more modern CPUs the timings are different (and on 64 bit my first version < 1307662374 998915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :may not work, maybe the second one is better. I have not tested it on 64 bit < 1307662376 928017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LDC yet). I'm just a newbie on this stuff, while people that write the memset < 1307662378 861051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of 64bit glibc are expert." < 1307662380 790972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow my Googlequest led me to the D lists. < 1307662381 314301 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude, why don't regular expression grammars work like mine and ais523's < 1307662382 731981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant -- EVERYWHERE. < 1307662433 263747 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1307662438 759308 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: wat < 1307662457 115896 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if one substitition operation is a -> b, then a greedy substition is just (a -> b)* < 1307662463 986787 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes so much sense. < 1307662477 304065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a grammar < 1307662491 292424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you mean a global substitution < 1307662505 729495 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :... -_- < 1307662532 296781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1307662557 487258 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I occasionally like to talk in very loose terms. I have come to realize that is not allowed here. < 1307662576 384650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not when you're complaining :) < 1307662644 209316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a=b)* isn't a global substitution in Cyclexa, but an iterated substitution < 1307662661 933707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Anyway, try the REP MOV thing; http://faydoc.tripod.com/cpu/rep.htm < 1307662662 721673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might or might not come to the same thing if it isn't anchored, depending on whether the search string can match the replacement < 1307662664 847322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, at least < 1307662671 238410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh wait < 1307662672 885109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: memset? < 1307662676 801921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Try REP STOS < 1307662680 133107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be slower, but it might not be < 1307662684 193362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's certainly tiny < 1307662691 87484 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you mean it only applies to the beginning of the string? < 1307662702 194620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov ecx, LOLCOUNT < 1307662704 169557 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or? it only applies from that point onward. < 1307662705 529530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov eax, LOLVALUE < 1307662708 365998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov edi, LOLPOINTER < 1307662717 369298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rep stos [I think some qualified] < 1307662723 27213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's Intel < 1307662726 450927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATandT yer on your own < 1307662730 698444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: depends on if it's anchored or not < 1307662733 756804 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov elliott, LOLINTERNET < 1307662735 3598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sixtyfour bit presumably has an obvious analogue < 1307662752 296649 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1307662800 334689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor SURE IS THANKFUL FOR ALL MY HARD WORK < 1307662805 65900 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does, there's a stosq that stores rax into rdi instead of eax into edi < 1307662880 930133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1307662897 697941 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*eax into rdi < 1307662993 772960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:19:07: So... Debian Fail. < 1307662993 947195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:19:11: <3 Gentoo. < 1307663001 693534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shouldn't just quote silly things past pikhq_ says < 1307663005 54593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who else wants bad quotes of their past self < 1307663007 672752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT ME < 1307663033 111136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "The MASM Forum has a lot of incredible assembly language programmers/hobbyists who have beaten this issue completely to death (have a look through The Laboratory). The results were much like Christopher's response: SSE is incredible for large, aligned, buffers, but going down you will eventually reach such a small size that a basic for loop is just as quick." < 1307663036 439688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tried SSE? :P < 1307663039 768099 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, though I wonder if you can override the address size to 32-bit in long mode, never really reflected over that < 1307663080 5658 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: A GC pool is most assuredly a large, aligned buffer. < 1307663080 168288 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it immoral to write a non-optimizing compiler for a non-esoteric language? < 1307663083 559976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1307663098 572888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are even valid uses for such a compiler, apart from practicing compiler writing < 1307663100 908750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh god... but if you do SSE, you'll be like fucking Vorpal, who used inline assembly just to use SSE to zero out static fungespace. < 1307663105 841026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people may be annoyed if they're forced to use it < 1307663124 75357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Except that you're writing an advanced GC, not a Funge interpreter, so it's okay :P < 1307663132 852319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You'll restrict yourself to PROCESSORS WITH SSE, though. < 1307663137 87863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAN YOU BRING YOURSELF TO DO THAT < 1307663143 531395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'LL BREAK DOS COMPATIBILITY FOR PENTIUM IIS < 1307663147 944227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAKE IT AN OPTION < 1307663159 641552 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should at least do arithmatic ahead of time when possible < 1307663171 637364 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better yet: When easy to do < 1307663183 123583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: look into constant folding, instruction simplification < 1307663237 655827 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's probably not worthwhile, I'm just having some thoughts because right now I have to clear out things when I allocate, which is all wrong >_> < 1307663256 213393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You realise SSE is not very hard :P < 1307663263 120726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is this part of giving memory back to the OS? < 1307663306 43794 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, "instruction simplification" is hard to find on Wikipedia and google < 1307663334 573538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Deewiant told me that :) < 1307663339 368900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically x+0 -> x isn't technically constant folding < 1307663351 751784 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nothing to do with giving memory back, no. < 1307663356 632971 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not actually a good idea ;P < 1307663367 768883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But you said you were gonna do it :P < 1307663374 984430 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lie *shrugs* < 1307663387 969638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I don't see why it's a bad idea though < 1307663396 454781 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot that my pool allocator has a Windows backend too, and I'm too lazy to figure out how to do it on Windows. < 1307663450 474491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heard of free()? < 1307663455 540201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I joke :P < 1307663460 669390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you allocate (from the OS) on Windows? < 1307663474 405722 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idonno, VirtualWTFMemoryLolsy < 1307663480 83075 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just decided not to look into it right now. < 1307663489 308477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'LL CHECK < 1307663502 218652 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could just malloc, that might go to the other thing for large allocations? < 1307663515 124142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: >_< < 1307663522 147550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, did Gregor's job for him. < 1307663540 493004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 87 #if defined(USE_ALLOCATOR_MMAP) < 1307663540 675376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 88 munmap(ret, (char *) base - (char *) ret); < 1307663540 837684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 89 munmap((void *) ((char *) base + sz), sz - ((char *) base - (char *) ret)); < 1307663540 837940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 90 #elif defined(USE_ALLOCATOR_WIN32) < 1307663540 838050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 91 VirtualFree(ret, (char *) base - (char *) ret, MEM_RELEASE); < 1307663541 580964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 92 VirtualFree((void *) ((char *) base + sz), sz - ((char *) base - (char *) ret), MEM_RELEASE); < 1307663544 488065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 93 #endif < 1307663547 631294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You do that if it's not aligned. < 1307663552 887086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You already _have_ freeing code :P < 1307663554 858696 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I suspect windows' malloc sucks, mallocs always suck < 1307663561 892192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANK YOU COME AGAIN. < 1307663579 489262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I note that that block of code just becomes nonsensical if USE_ALLOCATOR_MALLOC is on. < 1307663586 942623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you don't handle that case at all, but still have the conditional. < 1307663624 649119 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ohlol :P < 1307663632 94620 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*eh*, still not doing it now. < 1307663632 423318 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap, up too late today as well < 1307663633 327025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: THANK YOU COME AGAIN < 1307663637 498405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait I already said that. < 1307663638 936686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DARN < 1307663691 58598 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I just became so tried that I was about to reply to elliott in swedish < 1307663697 893284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: please do so < 1307663719 563686 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes box, alright < 1307663725 824947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1307663748 491237 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :box is swedish english for boss < 1307663755 125781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol swedes < 1307663764 699646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: [asterisk]swenglish < 1307663770 823677 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this particular phrase anyway, it's not used anywhere else < 1307663870 310665 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, boring, cya next week < 1307663893 849887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see you trombone house < 1307663899 403520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :: the future: the past < 1307663924 80885 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sffedeesh Thank you come again < 1307663924 880911 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Thoooonk yoooouuuu coooome-a-a-a-a igeeee-a-a < 1307663932 887386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :igeeee-a-a