00:00:16 <newsham> playing SKI this weekend?
00:00:40 <ais523> no, I missed the start
00:00:48 <ais523> which is a shame, as I have a paper accepted for this year's ICFP
00:01:00 <ais523> and it'd be great to win the contest too
00:01:42 <ais523> the ICFP contest could really do with being advertised more /before/ it starts...
00:03:40 <newsham> :(
00:03:52 <ais523> are you playing it?
00:03:56 <ais523> I suppose I could help out and try to win that way
00:04:04 <ais523> but I'm really out of the loop as to how this year's challenge works
00:04:05 <newsham> i've been toying with the idea  alittle but havent written a player
00:04:31 <ais523> at least it's properly functional this year, it often isn't
00:04:44 <newsham> well kinda.. impurely functional ;-)
00:05:08 <ais523> still functional
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01:13:16 <Gregor> BONJOUR!
01:13:19 <Gregor> From scenic Pittsburgh!
01:14:43 <pikhq_> Still delayed? Damn.
01:14:54 <Gregor> The pilot is coming from a flight from Atlanta which had to do an emergency landing due to a health emergency.
01:15:22 <Gregor> Presumably he is the only pilot working for Delta capable of flying a plane to Paris.
01:15:51 <Gregor> (OK, OK, to be fair you can't just shuffle pilots around randomly, that puts them thousands of miles out of their way :P )
01:16:23 <pikhq_> Clearly, we need Google to also automate flight.
01:16:51 <Gregor> Flights are already automatable, but the FAA says no :P
01:17:04 <pikhq_> Oh, yeah, and get a bridge across the Bering Strait.
01:17:34 <Gregor> And a bridge from Nova Scotia to Portugal.
01:17:52 <pikhq_> Well, it's actually not-crazy to do a bridge across the Bering Strait.
01:18:12 <pikhq_> Well, actually, 3 bridges.
01:18:39 <pikhq_> Two 25 mile bridges and one 2 mile bridge.
01:19:09 <pikhq_> Though longer than any other current bridge, it's not actually completely nuts.
01:19:33 <pikhq_> It helps that the Bering Strait is very shallow.
01:19:54 <pikhq_> (average depth of ~100 feet)
01:20:36 <pikhq_> Estimated cost, $105 billion.
01:20:51 <pikhq_> Absurd, yes. Doable, also yes.
01:21:06 <Gregor> Estimated traffic: 0.
01:21:27 <pikhq_> Actually, it'd probably be a very heavily used shipping lane.
01:21:47 <Gregor> The amount of /surrounding/ infrastructure required to make that feasible is staggering.
01:22:09 <pikhq_> And that's the actual problem. There's no roads or railroads on either side.
01:22:10 <Gregor> Neither Alaska nor Siberia are known for their roads.
01:22:21 <pikhq_> Though Russia's fixing that.
01:22:36 <pikhq_> (they actually want this to happen.)
01:24:26 <Gregor> Too bad they sold us Alaska!
01:24:32 <Gregor> And we don't care about giving it any infrastructure!
01:24:55 <pikhq_> Well, we could probably sell it back.
01:25:05 <pikhq_> On the condition they keep Palin.
01:25:15 <Gregor> YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS
01:26:01 <pikhq_> Hmm. It'd be much easier to hook up the infrastructure on the US side.
01:26:25 <pikhq_> A mere 500 miles, rather than 2,000.
01:26:54 <pikhq_> (yes, that's how much road would be needed on the Russian side)
01:28:24 <pikhq_> Possible downsides: cheap Chinese crap would be more so.
01:29:20 <Gregor> As well as the 500 miles of road, you'd have to build 20 McDonaldses, and the infrastructure to get people to their minimum-wage jobs at said McDonaldses.
01:29:34 <Gregor> Plus BP stations.
01:30:39 <pikhq_> Yeah, but private companies would line up to do that if they knew there was a major highway being built.
01:32:11 <Gregor> A major highway that's a major risk. We don't trust them Ruskies.
01:33:00 <Gregor> I'm just being a jerk here, of course :P
01:33:04 <pikhq_> :P
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04:55:09 <cheater_> quick survey: who here has made a website that joined a webring, and was it a personal website?
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10:45:50 <quintopia> cheater_: me, yes. when i was like 13.
10:57:12 <Phantom_Hoover> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Uphold_Democracy
10:57:23 <Phantom_Hoover> Oh come on guys it's like you're not even trying with the propaganda.
11:01:50 <quintopia> who needs to try when you can swing the UNSC?
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11:07:09 <ais523> ooh, Debian's CLC-INTERCAL maintainer just claimed C-INTERCAL too
11:07:13 <ais523> so it's unorphaned again
11:16:44 <cheater_> quintopia, cool
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16:09:56 <impomatic> Hi :-)
16:10:26 <oerjan> ho
16:18:05 <nooga> oh
16:18:12 <oerjan> ha
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16:23:39 <perlmonkey> hel-lo
16:26:47 <Phantom_Hoover> perlmonkey, hello are you a bot.
16:27:21 <perlmonkey> hello Phantom I am not a bot
16:27:40 <perlmonkey> I seek knowledge
16:27:52 <Phantom_Hoover> Well, you've passed the Turing test.
16:27:56 <perlmonkey> but more than knowledge, wisdom
16:28:01 <perlmonkey> thanks
16:28:03 <Phantom_Hoover> That count as wisdom?
16:28:07 <Sgeo> perlmonkey is from the distant future: the year 2000
16:28:27 * oerjan thinks the turing test has some grade slippage
16:28:32 <Sgeo> Well, hmm, that would have wroked beetter i perlmonkey was a bot really
16:28:49 * perlmonkey is doing research
16:28:58 <Phantom_Hoover> oerjan, yeah, it's a widespread problem.
16:30:06 <Phantom_Hoover> Back in my day you had to get X-rayed to pass.
16:30:23 <oerjan> ...i don't think that's in line with turing's intentions
16:30:36 <Phantom_Hoover> You can't deny, it works.
16:30:53 <oerjan> ...until someone starts making biological androids
16:30:57 <Phantom_Hoover> It separates the men from the bots.
16:34:15 <Phantom_Hoover> perlmonkey, what wisdom do you seek.
16:34:45 <perlmonkey> all of it
16:34:54 <Phantom_Hoover> We are greatly wise, and are familiar with every form of dicking around known to man.
16:35:06 <perlmonkey> :-}
16:35:10 <oerjan> yes we are big dicks
16:35:17 <oerjan> except Lymia
16:35:28 * perlmonkey is trying to enhance cognitive ability
16:35:39 <perlmonkey> to learn the wisdom better
16:35:44 <monqy> is lymia a big whatever girls have
16:35:57 <Phantom_Hoover> monqy, dunno, we never thought it polite to ask.
16:36:18 <oerjan> monqy: that's a very rude word you know
16:37:19 * perlmonkey is pursuing the line of reasoning that eating raw foods can improve cognitive function
16:37:45 <Phantom_Hoover> perlmonkey, well, it certainly makes you think about what you'd rather be eating.
16:38:19 * perlmonkey eats a banana
16:38:25 <oerjan> `addquote * perlmonkey is pursuing the line of reasoning that eating raw foods can improve cognitive function  <Phantom_Hoover> perlmonkey, well, it certainly makes you think about what you'd rather be eating.
16:38:26 <pikhq> perlmonkey: Does there exist empirical evidence for the claim?
16:38:28 <HackEgo> 458) * perlmonkey is pursuing the line of reasoning that eating raw foods can improve cognitive function  <Phantom_Hoover> perlmonkey, well, it certainly makes you think about what you'd rather be eating.
16:39:23 <perlmonkey> pikhq: that is what I would like to know, but i have seen convincing evidence that eating raw foods can dramatically improve health and wellbeing
16:39:51 <Sgeo> What sort of evidence?
16:40:19 <pikhq> Strange, considering that with a very large amount of foods, cooking serves to make nutrients more readily obtained.
16:40:35 <perlmonkey> i saw an experiment once on a random group of adults, some with health problems and some healthy, all were given raw foods only for 2 weeks under supervision
16:41:19 <pikhq> Any controls on that?
16:41:25 <perlmonkey> define controls
16:41:41 <Phantom_Hoover> perlmonkey, people on a normal diet.
16:41:45 <Phantom_Hoover> It's useless without them.
16:42:10 <pikhq> Comparing with a test of the null hypothesis. In this case, this would be comparing against a test of people on a normal diet
16:42:16 <coppro> Not even
16:42:30 <coppro> Comparing against people on a diet identical except that it is cooked
16:42:43 <pikhq> coppro: Okay, actually that would be a much better test.
16:42:44 <perlmonkey> no i think the test was to see what effect the diet change would have on this group of people
16:42:50 <coppro> To determine if the effect is the cooking, or the fact that certain foods are rarely eaten raw
16:42:57 <perlmonkey> not whether raw diet was effective over normal diet
16:43:07 <coppro> pikhq: actually, do one better; run three groups :)
16:43:40 <pikhq> coppro: Ah, yes. That's a good point. Lets you know if the change is a higher quantity of cooked foods or merely the change in foods, if any.
16:43:45 <pikhq> perlmonkey: Then it's a useless study.
16:43:46 <coppro> but, say, chicken is very rarely consumed raw. It can also be quite unhealthy.
16:44:21 <perlmonkey> the experiment was not so much concerned with trying to prove a raw diet is superior or provides any health benefits, although that was obviously expected and hoped in the findings, but the experiment was more about how the individuals coped on that diet and how they felt, how they performed
16:44:53 <perlmonkey> i wouldn't say it was useless and it wasn't a clinical study, just a social experiment
16:45:01 <pikhq> perlmonkey: See? Useless. The findings tell us nothing, except perhaps "a raw food diet won't kill you".
16:45:31 <pikhq> Which I don't think was very controversial.
16:45:31 <perlmonkey> well since you didn't watch the experiment or know the outcome out of it, that's rather an opinionated assumption
16:46:02 <Phantom_Hoover> perlmonkey, no, it's not.
16:46:08 <pikhq> The experiment *as described* simply is not a good one.
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16:46:28 <Phantom_Hoover> ...ragequit much?
16:46:29 <pikhq> *Aaah*, ignorance.
16:47:39 <coppro> mmmmm
16:47:48 <coppro> freshly cooked scientific method
16:51:22 <oerjan> bah obviously it's a proper experiment unless the subjects and experimenters don't _know_ who is eating cooked or raw food.  double blind all the way!
16:51:27 <oerjan> *it's not
16:51:50 <pikhq> oerjan: I was omitting that simply because double blind seemed impractical in this scenario.
16:51:51 <oerjan> also ilari should have been here
16:52:03 <pikhq> :D
16:52:56 <coppro> double blind is definitely ideal
16:52:58 <coppro> but I agree with pikhq
16:53:26 <oerjan> also there was hopefully a good proportion of fungi *cackles evilly*
16:54:56 <oerjan> ideally the experimenters should not even know which result they want
16:55:15 <coppro> yeah
16:55:33 <coppro> if I were running this experiment, I have no obvious concsious bias
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18:18:52 <oerjan> `ls bin
18:18:53 <HackEgo> ​` \ addquote \ allquotes \ botsnack \ calc \ commands \ creatures \ define \ delquote \ esolang \ etymology \ fuck \ google \ imdb \ json \ k \ karma \ marco \ minifind \ paste \ pastenquotes \ pastequotes \ penis \ ping \ prefixes \ quine \ quote \ quotes \ rec \ roll \ runasperl \ runfor \ rungcc \ sayhi \ strfile \ swedish
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18:22:09 <Phantom_Hoover> fizzie is slacking.
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19:52:32 <zzo38> There is one thing in ImageMagick useful that SoX doesn't have, which is being able to put operations inside of ( ... ) to operate on a stack. It would be useful though.
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20:39:11 <zzo38> I have found something that seems to be wrong with SoX. The "synth" effect takes parameters "-j" and "-n", it says "-j" goes first but actually "-n" must go first if you use them together.
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20:51:51 <micahjohnston> is anyone interested in helping design a programming language?
20:52:10 <micahjohnston> it's a reactive language
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20:55:16 <zzo38> micahjohnston: Give examples. More information please.
20:57:05 <micahjohnston> zzo38: well, it's like purely functional language
20:57:06 <micahjohnston> s
20:57:25 <micahjohnston> zzo38: but all the values are extended across time
20:57:55 <micahjohnston> another way to think about it is
20:58:43 <micahjohnston> instead of thinking of functions as a sequence of instructions, think about them as circuits or networks of pipes through which values flow
20:59:22 <micahjohnston> zzo38: make any sense
20:59:23 <micahjohnston> ?
21:00:29 <Sgeo> micahjohnston, when elliott's here, I think he might want to talk abot this
21:00:45 <micahjohnston> Sgeo: ok, thanks
21:00:48 <Sgeo> @tell elliott talk to micahjohnston, e's interested in making a reactive languae
21:00:48 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
21:01:17 <micahjohnston> I have a channel set up, ##tempus, for talking about it
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21:07:49 <oerjan> you can always expect some reaction from elliott
21:08:14 <Sgeo> lol
21:08:35 <micahjohnston> heh
21:08:40 <oerjan> |o|
21:08:40 <myndzi>  |
21:08:40 <myndzi>  >\
21:08:54 <micahjohnston>  o7
21:08:59 <micahjohnston>  \o\
21:08:59 <myndzi>         |
21:08:59 <myndzi>        /'\
21:09:06 <oerjan> wat
21:09:13 <oerjan>  \o\
21:09:13 <micahjohnston> o7 is a salute
21:09:13 <myndzi>  |
21:09:13 <myndzi>  >\
21:09:23 <micahjohnston> |o/
21:09:23 <oerjan> myndzi: you have an error there
21:09:23 <myndzi>         |
21:09:23 <myndzi>        /<
21:10:46 <monqy>     /o/
21:10:46 <myndzi>     |
21:10:46 <myndzi>    /`\
21:10:55 <monqy> well it seems to go fine that way at least
21:11:04 <oerjan> \o|
21:11:05 <myndzi>  |
21:11:05 <myndzi> /<
21:11:10 <oerjan> \o\
21:11:11 <myndzi>  |
21:11:11 <myndzi>  |\
21:11:14 <oerjan> hm...
21:11:18 <oerjan>  \o|
21:11:19 <myndzi>  |
21:11:19 <myndzi> /|
21:11:31 <oerjan> seems it's broken for initial \
21:12:28 <oerjan>   \o/
21:12:28 <myndzi>    |
21:12:28 <myndzi>   /|
21:12:34 <oerjan> erm not that one
21:12:42 <oerjan>   \o|
21:12:43 <myndzi>    |
21:12:43 <myndzi>    |\
21:12:49 <oerjan>   \o\
21:12:50 <myndzi>    |
21:12:50 <myndzi>    >\
21:12:54 <oerjan>  \o\
21:12:55 <myndzi>  |
21:12:55 <myndzi>  >\
21:12:59 <oerjan> huh
21:13:02 <oerjan>  \o/
21:13:03 <myndzi>  |
21:13:03 <myndzi> /<
21:13:08 <oerjan>  \o|
21:13:09 <myndzi>  |
21:13:09 <myndzi> /<
21:13:21 <oerjan>    \o\
21:13:22 <myndzi>     |
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21:13:26 <oerjan>   \o\
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21:13:30 <oerjan>     \o\
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21:13:31 <myndzi>     /|
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21:14:45 <oerjan> only \ with a single space in front, so far
21:15:10 <oerjan>      \o/
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21:15:11 <myndzi>      /|
21:15:18 <oerjan>       \o\
21:15:18 <myndzi>        |
21:15:19 <myndzi>       /`\
21:15:28 <oerjan>        \o|
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21:15:29 <myndzi>         |\
21:16:00 <oerjan>  /o/
21:16:01 <myndzi>  |
21:16:01 <myndzi> /´\
21:16:11 <oerjan>  |o|
21:16:11 <myndzi>  |
21:16:12 <myndzi> /|
21:16:24 <oerjan> ok any one with a single space, maybe
21:22:06 <Vorpal> <oerjan>  /o/
21:22:06 <Vorpal> <myndzi>  |
21:22:06 <myndzi>            |
21:22:07 <Vorpal> <myndzi> /´\
21:22:07 <myndzi>            |\
21:22:08 <Vorpal> that was off
21:24:09 <oerjan> hm... \o/
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21:24:09 <myndzi>        >\
21:24:14 <oerjan> hm...  \o/
21:24:15 <myndzi>         |
21:24:15 <myndzi>        /´\
21:24:19 <oerjan> hm...\o/
21:24:20 <myndzi>       |
21:24:20 <myndzi>      /|
21:24:27 <oerjan>  hm...\o/
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21:24:33 <oerjan> huh
21:24:41 <oerjan>   hm...\o/
21:24:41 <myndzi>         ¦
21:24:42 <myndzi>        ´¸¨
21:24:45 <oerjan> wtf
21:24:49 <oerjan>   hm...\o/
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21:24:49 <myndzi>        /<
21:25:22 <oerjan>  hm...    \o/
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21:25:23 <myndzi>            >\
21:25:33 <oerjan>  hm...   \o/
21:25:34 <myndzi>           |
21:25:34 <myndzi>          /|
21:25:39 <oerjan>  hm...\o/
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21:25:44 <oerjan>  hm... \o/
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21:25:48 <oerjan>  hm...  \o/
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21:25:49 <myndzi>         /|
21:25:52 <oerjan> weird stuff
21:26:02 <copumpkin> needs to be aware of my proportional font
21:26:52 <oerjan> um i'm testing a bug in it, if you are proportional then you probably cannot see that
21:29:19 <copumpkin> :P
21:29:24 <copumpkin> I know, just being silly
21:31:39 <pikhq> I think GCC wins an award for worst build system.
21:32:29 <pikhq> NO, LIBGCC. YOU SHOULD NOT LOOK IN /usr/lib. YOU ARE CROSS COMPILING. WHY WOULD THE CROSS LINKER UNDERSTAND THE NATIVE LIBRARIES. FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU.
21:32:32 <pikhq> ALSO, FUCK YOU.
21:33:58 <olsner> ALSO, DISENGAGE CAPS LOCK :)
21:35:31 <zzo38> This is one display hack:   http://sprunge.us/QOMP
21:36:23 <pikhq> No, GCC is deserving.
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22:27:30 <pikhq> So. It is a royal pain to get x86_64-unknown-linux-musl-gcc.
22:27:44 <pikhq> It is a 1 line patch to binutils and a 2 line patch to pcc to do the same.
22:27:56 <pikhq> gcc, worst compiler ever?
22:28:33 <pikhq> (1 line to make config.sub accept that, for binutils and pcc. 1 line to point pcc to the dynamic linker.)
22:36:31 <pikhq> Okay, okay, so I could just make it generate x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc and edit the spec file a bit, but it's the principle of the thing!
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22:56:04 <zzo38> What are the just musical intervals 11/8 and 13/8 called?
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23:21:26 <tswett> zzo38: Wikipedia says "lesser undecimal tritone" and "tridecimal neutral sixth", respectively.
23:25:36 <Sgeo> What's the idea that all mathematical structures that could house consciousness do?
23:29:49 <zzo38> tswett: Thanks I have found those now. (Actually soon after I asked I managed to find them, although I could not find them before).
23:30:16 <zzo38> Now I have all the intervals 8 to 16.
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