< 1308700800 28411 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: deone < 1308700801 87392 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*done < 1308700805 890841 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :send to my paypal < 1308700827 705371 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-43500f4b.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paypal deals with monkeys now? < 1308701038 238465 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1308701054 153693 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1308701092 466649 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1308701099 949008 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know whether or not a PHI node in LLVM is allowed to return label type values and if those values can be used later? < 1308701105 11275 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1308701111 103586 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask in #llvm on oftc < 1308701127 741472 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1308701129 500270 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1308701517 763671 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan NICK :Lymee < 1308701610 680412 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1308701637 881455 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1308701675 357458 :fizzie!~fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1308701861 147640 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1308702263 170253 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1308702510 686851 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1308703646 850511 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1308703811 261203 :F!~f@unaffiliated/f QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1308704235 844378 :F!~f@pool-96-255-203-102.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308705023 24681 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1308705481 526297 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-32-176.resnet.ucsb.edu QUIT :Quit: bye < 1308705528 752083 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-185-248.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT : < 1308706736 265819 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1308706813 93686 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once my grandfather said he would call the president and tell him to remove the words "I don't want" from the dictionary. < 1308706980 308380 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1308706980 649629 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Changing host < 1308706980 798508 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1308707074 571791 :CakeProphet!~adam@h253.53.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308707074 757387 :CakeProphet!~adam@h253.53.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1308707074 757531 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1308707729 263220 :DocHerrings!~DocHerrin@pool-71-246-72-142.bltmmd.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308708015 919257 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me if you would like to have access to TeXnicard_Extra repository. < 1308708269 506142 :Guest13856!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Gregor < 1308708299 527257 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Guest10869 < 1308708348 437870 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest10869: Wrong number please < 1308708478 517915 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1308708587 23050 :azaq23!~derivecto@pD9E342D5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1308708589 143795 :azaq23!~derivecto@pD9E342D5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1308708589 292759 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1308708722 695290 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Client Quit < 1308709036 235411 :DocHerrings!~DocHerrin@pool-71-246-72-142.bltmmd.east.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 4.0.1/20110413222027] < 1308709522 721510 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1308712329 723901 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to have Qu'ran for dinner? < 1308712372 883274 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid that Qu'ran is probably not that good-tasting. < 1308712413 957914 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: edible paper < 1308712622 775116 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I'd rather not eat a book of bullshit. < 1308712631 628405 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it is edible. < 1308712664 654438 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote < pikhq_> I'm afraid that Qu'ran is probably not that good-tasting. < coppro> pikhq_: edible paper < pikhq_> Still, I'd rather not eat a book of bullshit. < 1308712665 869327 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :463) < pikhq_> I'm afraid that Qu'ran is probably not that good-tasting. < coppro> pikhq_: edible paper < pikhq_> Still, I'd rather not eat a book of bullshit. < 1308712816 665784 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol #math on EFNet < 1308712827 81903 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :guy comes in with a probability (die rolling) question < 1308712833 100498 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ask "How would you approach the problem?" < 1308712834 595468 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he solves it < 1308712848 572068 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How very convenient. < 1308712866 478904 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it least a good problem < 1308712895 24056 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you roll a six-sided die three times, what are the odds that the results are not all different < 1308712922 966176 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Annoying, but not hard. < 1308712962 657317 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1308713056 433148 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously homework < 1308713074 484042 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, certainly not the sort of problem people do because they're curious. < 1308713077 159242 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1308713114 158510 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(arguably the worst part of homework for math: it's problems that are fundamentally boring.) < 1308713187 808101 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1308713408 82325 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just asked (and, after a prod, solved) another one; this time the chances that two dice are the same and there is at least one six < 1308713835 795834 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think support of these units for measurements on paper should be sufficient: pt (point) bp (desktop publishing point) in (inch) cm (centimetre) mm (millimetre) em (em width -- font specific) ex (ex height -- font specific) < 1308713868 868105 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think other are needed but you can tell me if you believe otherwise. < 1308713875 555313 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems entirely sufficient. < 1308713907 56602 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I probably don't need centimetres if you can use millimetres instead. Do you think should be removed or not? < 1308714051 544406 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should just use metres and accept all SI prefixes < 1308714077 901177 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kiloïnch? < 1308714080 355365 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1308714202 781069 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1308714233 270592 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I doubt that is necessary or important. It would also clash with the other units and complicate the programming. Maybe in other programs it would be useful though. < 1308714842 82167 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1308715381 174552 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-43500f4b.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION learns about Fredkin gates < 1308715430 925966 :F!~f@pool-96-255-203-102.washdc.fios.verizon.net PART :#esoteric < 1308716747 243434 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1308718636 880102 :Guest10869!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Gregor < 1308718681 490920 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-43500f4b.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If complex numbers weren't invented, how difficult would it be to work them out from the understanding of quantum mechanics? < 1308718760 247796 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that complex numbers would by necessity have been described *much* earlier. < 1308718809 807172 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that you absolutely need an understanding thereof for understanding certain classes of differential equations. < 1308718819 690676 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess what's used extensively in classical mechanics? < 1308718903 161808 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1308720343 495646 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-43500f4b.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308720468 515911 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-43500f4b.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1308721570 954584 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-43500f4b.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Sgeo < 1308723413 484931 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308724787 788139 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-185-248.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1308725196 483754 :evincar!~chatzilla@d-burl-bng2-64-223-164-21.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308725240 850571 :evincar!~chatzilla@d-burl-bng2-64-223-164-21.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's life in the esoteric world? < 1308725737 79002 :evincar!~chatzilla@d-burl-bng2-64-223-164-21.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 3.6.17/20110422054610] < 1308725781 637306 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's make a page calling Haskell a wimpmode of Unlambda < 1308726029 786709 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1308726314 202384 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1308728020 369325 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-185-248.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1308728085 178750 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlambda is a wimpmode of subtle cough < 1308729909 609555 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1308731224 243316 :sodras!51a0bce6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.160.188.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1308731964 710296 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-24-66.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, wtf is "subtle cough"? < 1308732285 966640 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Subtle_cough < 1308734010 33446 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went and made a basic optimizing Brainfuck->C compiler in Scala. < 1308734016 7466 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1308734042 928372 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might benefit from code to recognize balanced loops and handle them specially. < 1308734202 706085 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1308734375 719520 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1308734526 311562 :sodras!51a0bce6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.160.188.230 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1308734544 815761 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1308735701 789180 :choochter!~choochter@host81-146-28-169.btremoteinternet-dsl.bt.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308738760 487746 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Quit: gone < 1308739549 643701 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1308741110 895721 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1308741497 893856 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1308741920 70679 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-185-248.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1308743992 220688 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1308744132 837669 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1308744312 980353 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1308744579 713783 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1308744646 436576 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1308746072 530213 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1308746130 879945 :CakeProphet!~adam@h40.1.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308746131 341055 :CakeProphet!~adam@h40.1.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1308746131 493177 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1308746544 513875 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm writing an Brainfuck->C compiler for fum < 1308746545 999643 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun* < 1308746557 176739 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting a lot of this: < 1308746558 97618 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric : ptr+=7; < 1308746558 686431 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric : while(ptr[0]){ < 1308746558 838329 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric : ptr[0]-=1; < 1308746558 838510 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1308746577 769553 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess it's time to write code to turn stuff like this into something less painful, eh... < 1308746703 893008 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee, just give up now. < 1308746704 298166 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 5 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1308746706 261388 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will never beat Esotope. < 1308746708 716827 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is simply the best there is. < 1308746716 117004 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, fun is fun. < 1308746716 769891 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1308746972 790872 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dangling_else < 1308746975 990501 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? this article is so bad. < 1308747215 262634 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-4-239.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308747242 716406 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, you mean it's ambiguous or it's wrong? < 1308747262 23200 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and don't tell me I can't beat esotope. < 1308747266 158341 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will try, damnit. < 1308747276 450474 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee, have fun. < 1308747324 399029 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, i will. < 1308747325 562384 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I* < 1308747423 669054 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1308747506 522171 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1308747671 613328 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I have some weird rock version of The Bonnie Banks of Loch Lomond stuck in my head. < 1308748787 612609 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover, and don't tell me I can't beat esotope. <-- of course it can be done, but it won't be easy < 1308748827 337819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, *ouch* < 1308748859 534160 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, what are you talking about, it's an awesome weird rock version of The Bonnie Banks of Loch Lomond. < 1308748865 283844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ah < 1308749001 732059 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/i61gh/say_a_ship_with_humans_on_it_makes_it_to_the_edge/ < 1308749015 381435 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is possibly the single stupidest question I have seen on AskScience. < 1308749235 240858 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not THAT bad < 1308749239 246694 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually not very well understood < 1308749258 500332 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, edge of space? < 1308749263 493842 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1308749266 853308 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :People talk about the universe expanding < 1308749268 786535 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no such thing. Full stop. < 1308749269 309482 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Often relating it to a balloon < 1308749274 172271 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you could think 'the universe has an edge then' < 1308749277 284341 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then try to think about it and ?_? < 1308749297 353359 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm a bit confused about it myself. Is it true that the universe is shaped as the 3D surface of a 4D sphere equivalent? < 1308749300 284996 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1308749307 329726 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god I sounded like pikhq there. < 1308749309 677314 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you travel in any direction you travel the 3D equivalent of a great circle < 1308749316 346856 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, I think that's one of the options. < 1308749339 480734 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I think I heard about that one too < 1308749348 493493 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, no one knows for sure yet. < 1308749378 902419 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR someone looking at the CMB and suggesting that the data was consistent with the universe being a Poincare dodecahedron, but I think it was also refuted or at least too uncertain. < 1308749386 158739 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you guys aren't sure < 1308749389 23522 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why it is a dumb question < 1308749390 98185 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is it < 1308749401 342488 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, because there's no 'edge' either way. < 1308749424 916382 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you aren't experienced in thinking about 4 dimensional shapes < 1308749427 707019 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you WILL think there's an edge < 1308749432 690974 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that the universe is infinitely large (not true) < 1308749437 72037 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, both aren't < 1308749483 167123 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, think of something like the game astroids where iirc if you go across one edge you appear on the other. < 1308749495 966107 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nono. -I- understand < 1308749499 667384 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because I've thought about it before < 1308749504 821185 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1308749543 43676 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what it would be like to see in more than 3 dimensions < 1308749547 640646 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, that's a toroidal space, though. < 1308749570 267876 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes, it isn't an exact parallel. < 1308749571 125995 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which ISTR has zero curvature, so it's not the same. < 1308749598 380357 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, however, it illustrates the general concept < 1308749645 21936 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1308749663 195379 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what curvature does the Poincare dodecahedron have? < 1308749720 120626 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I'm guessing it's positive, since it's similar to the sphere. < 1308749733 321934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1308750110 265129 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1308750158 510766 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that his understanding of special relativity has collapsed. < 1308750168 172028 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, more likely, wasn't there to begin with < 1308750223 505444 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh? It is easy, twins age at different rates when one travels at high speed. The end. < 1308750233 359045 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually: accelerates) < 1308750706 133025 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stockholm has a sea fortress called Suomenlina, and in Iceland there is a restaurant called Cafe Summalinna, I think in a town of the same name. Do any of the scandinavians here know if these words are related? < 1308750726 941214 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, Stockholm has a sea fortress called Suomenlina, <-- sure? That sounds Finnish to me < 1308750748 780032 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe it's helsinki < 1308750754 36521 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, big difference < 1308750760 57601 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm almost positive it's stockholm < 1308750765 152430 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1308750766 63183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it is Helsinki says google < 1308750769 705252 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you're right < 1308750778 310539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, for a start it is a different language family < 1308750780 896274 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i rode too many ferries to remember where they came from and where they went < 1308750820 819170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, besides it seems to be spelled Suomenlinna < 1308750827 982156 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure the families are different, but helsinki used to be in sweden, so maybe they got some loan words? < 1308750844 764818 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: which makes it even closer to the spelling summalinna < 1308750923 248768 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, however it is the wrong language group if it is in Finland and Iceland. One is a germanic language, the other is a finnic language < 1308750970 274200 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1308750992 959546 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it means "visitor" in finnish? < 1308751002 322528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea < 1308751011 455852 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm from Sweden, not Finland < 1308751052 839672 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the road signs in helsinki are in both swedish and finnish. it wouldn't be hard for you to get around :P < 1308751067 418926 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1308751074 908174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, doesn't mean I speak Finnish :P < 1308751114 206264 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but google does, and it says "visitor" < 1308751117 329214 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, anyway that is a rather different dialect of Swedish spoken over there. Some words would be different certainly. < 1308751133 462023 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, google thinks cm = inches when I translated a page :P < 1308751150 366989 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :without converting the value < 1308751182 951717 :fizzie!~fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What means "visitor"? < 1308751185 876726 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: "Suomenlinna" = "Finland's castle" < 1308751186 886261 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't use it to translate pages. it sucks at that < 1308751195 251899 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hi see the mc channel < 1308751205 520164 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Summalinna" = "sum castle" < 1308751223 135414 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1308751225 889429 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay then < 1308751227 483714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, it seems to suck at tanslating words too < 1308751235 284679 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :APPARENTLY < 1308751238 572741 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, anyway I doubt the Icelandic one is related < 1308751247 474462 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it seems unlikely < 1308751249 561830 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, since Deewiant spoke about what it meant in Finnish < 1308751257 328131 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless a fin owned that cafe < 1308751309 987543 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1308751315 602704 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1308751376 759587 :fizzie!~fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK them Icelandickers try to avoid loanwords quite much. < 1308751665 802561 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never quite got the whole anti-loanword thing. < 1308751694 240983 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean c'mon, English borrowed everyone else's words and suddenly they don't want them back? < 1308751710 811047 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I guess it is an attempt at retaining the identity of the language, since it is small, it won't be as easy as for English < 1308751725 69524 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iceland has a tiny population < 1308751846 247954 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, Kylie is derived from an Australian Aboriginal word? < 1308751853 50816 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mind is blown. < 1308751856 55367 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1308751864 999150 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1308752324 303350 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-43500f4b.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION only 4 days later sees the stunt elliott tried to pull on me in Agora < 1308752610 251665 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1308752669 325206 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1308752963 410948 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, elaborate. < 1308752993 997665 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-43500f4b.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone tried to degregister me and some other people by objection. I objected < 1308752999 270186 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1308753004 732805 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1308753055 906864 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-43500f4b.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shortly afterwards, elliott complained about this, but while doing so, repeated the original intent, exactly as it appeared in the original emaill.... so that in Gmail, and perhaps some other clients, it looked like elliott was just quoting what appeared in a previous email. < 1308753094 669815 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-43500f4b.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, now I'm wondering what would have happened if tswett didn't notice. Would have been an interesting CFJ < 1308753104 744631 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-43500f4b.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe < 1308753173 569579 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I am failing to see the stunt < 1308753265 393201 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-43500f4b.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone doesn't think to click "Show quoted text" then it wouldn't be noticed that elliott was actually taking an action, rather than just referring to a previous message < 1308753553 481994 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 . < 1308753559 649304 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1308753994 567391 :Elizacat!~Elizabeth@awos/2nd-in-command/init JOIN :#esoteric < 1308753997 117714 :Elizacat!~Elizabeth@awos/2nd-in-command/init PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1308754004 530525 :Elizacat!~Elizabeth@awos/2nd-in-command/init PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes Vorpal  < 1308754149 623477 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION counterpokes. < 1308754371 644585 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks < 1308754662 889136 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION counterblinks. < 1308754868 179790 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1308754983 740644 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION counterjoins. < 1308755142 261672 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1308755212 690965 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1308755249 916858 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION counter-counter-Phantom_Hoovers < 1308755824 301880 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that they really turned up the sex for the 6th series of Futurama < 1308755924 759762 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, they changed the layout of Zoidberg's internal organs. < 1308756294 860371 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, why would they do the latter < 1308756577 664139 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, we may never know. < 1308756854 963965 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just discovered the sport "Extreme Ironing". WTF but awesome. < 1308756957 349321 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308757959 922978 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1308757992 601038 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1308758292 173936 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1308758379 458975 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1308759189 241556 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1308759527 198559 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1308759837 97690 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-185-248.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1308760356 290405 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1308760360 150741 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1308760568 741018 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1308760940 525076 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1308761010 281007 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308761023 83838 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1308761382 171933 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1308761427 146965 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1308761430 193241 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1308761798 739261 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1308761801 670235 :Tritonio!~TrT@188.4.6.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1308761857 986757 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1308762582 562307 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1308762953 104556 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1308762994 71096 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto en fi Does this work any longer? < 1308762998 852690 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Onko tämä toimi enää? < 1308763002 890840 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1308763011 121068 :Tritonio_GR!~TrT@188.4.6.112.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1308763015 324539 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto fi en suomenlinna < 1308763016 781288 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suomenlinna < 1308763021 730694 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto fi en suomen linna < 1308763023 11892 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish castle < 1308763055 495265 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1308763064 631621 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ^ Pretty conclusive i'd say < 1308763081 825269 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto is en summalinna < 1308763083 238641 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sum Linna < 1308763103 258718 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm not so conclusive < 1308763108 380149 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto is en tölva < 1308763110 7111 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer < 1308763126 533203 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto is en summalina < 1308763126 681769 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto is en summa linna < 1308763127 891145 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sum lina < 1308763129 164611 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sum Linna < 1308763161 824478 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think -ina or -inna is a possible definite article, though < 1308763170 562692 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in some case) < 1308763184 53263 :Tritonio!~TrT@188.4.6.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1308763186 62499 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto is en summal < 1308763187 714492 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :summal < 1308763205 577605 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but summal doesn't sound very icelandic to me < 1308763207 176813 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has the present king of France stopped robbing banks? < 1308763248 116923 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :нйеееееееееееееееееееееееееееееееееееееееееееееееееееееет < 1308763335 411140 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot find any trace of this icelandic thing you refer to < 1308763463 475104 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact the top hit i get for summalinna is someone misspelling the other one :P < 1308763578 941093 :fizzie!~fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In quotes, that's the only hit I get for "Summalinna". < 1308763594 364777 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1308763690 683797 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: there's a swedish café smulan, if that helps :P < 1308763737 179329 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if it's anything like norwegian, smulan = the crumb) < 1308763863 139902 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: do you have any idea where you heard about this icelandic cafe? < 1308763878 34639 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i went there < 1308763895 106342 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're sure it was iceland < 1308763905 57140 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in the journal from iceland < 1308763915 549865 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and spelled that way? < 1308763922 141763 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1308763953 420570 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1308763958 436920 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the journal it's spelled summalina < 1308763965 266656 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1308764026 588048 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where in iceland was this? < 1308764062 646054 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308764065 912908 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PART :#esoteric < 1308764092 229870 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that exact word gives only 8 google hits < 1308764135 168055 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :east coast < 1308764183 420252 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a fjord < 1308764184 851391 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1308764197 450585 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the village had "fjörður" at the end of course < 1308764255 98663 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1308764296 808308 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's a too tiny village then... < 1308764366 484627 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had an internet connection i think, but i don't think they had a website :P < 1308764387 689740 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1308764439 797762 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :If i had to guess, i'd say it was Reyðarfjörður. that sounds right and looks to be in the right place. < 1308764479 203649 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Faskruðsfjður < 1308764492 969966 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fjörður < 1308764575 771897 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha found it < 1308764579 707091 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mom misspelled it < 1308764583 93914 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Restaurant Café Sumarlína" < 1308764590 551409 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1308764621 548411 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's on the Faskrúðsfjörður wikipedia page :P < 1308764630 785769 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1308764644 577880 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto is en sumarlína < 1308764645 890531 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sumarlína < 1308764648 722800 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto is en sumar lína < 1308764649 983939 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :some line < 1308764662 533786 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1308764667 538217 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some name < 1308764854 408529 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto is en sumarinn < 1308764855 866867 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sounds < 1308764862 280601 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1308764864 898110 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto is en sumarin < 1308764866 271773 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :summer < 1308764868 750305 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1308764885 815780 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto is en lína < 1308764887 131077 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :line < 1308764919 741312 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, i am guessing the first part is summer < 1308764930 192694 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-148.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1308764930 588375 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-217-109.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308764956 734921 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : (geometry) a line, a straight line syn. < 1308764956 885572 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : (fishing) a fishing line < 1308764957 618111 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : a string, a line, a rope syn. < 1308765284 141393 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's actually a woman's name http://is.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumarl%C3%ADna < 1308765322 114653 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ^ < 1308765354 297714 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that page should make all clear *cackles madly* < 1308765469 339472 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait there may be only two people called that (since 1950, anyway) :P < 1308765557 590625 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i was noticing :P < 1308765563 304571 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a popular name at all < 1308765988 846910 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh Lína is a female name, the term "mannanöfn" confused me < 1308766012 525518 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to a norwegian it looks like it means "men's name", but it actually just means "human name" < 1308766029 225636 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Sumarlína is a simple compound, i guess < 1308766059 36067 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :icelandic is the least changed from old norse. back then "man" meant "human" < 1308766142 808707 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but curiously it seems not to _also_ mean just "male human" < 1308766250 61497 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike in norwegian, where "mann" means male, these days mostly unambiguously < 1308766256 628739 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1308766257 791881 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :34) I am not on the moon. < 1308766283 346421 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: IT WOULD HAVE EXPLAINED SO MUCH < 1308766548 22196 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wiktionary seems to indicate it sometimes still means "man", or "husband" < 1308766678 243351 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in old english, i think man was human, where husman was man and wyfman was woman, or somethign like that < 1308766837 92554 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1308766986 450182 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userinterps < 1308766987 291458 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Installed user interpreters: acro aol austro bc bct bfbignum brit brooklyn bypass_ignore bytes chaos chiqrsx9p choo ctcp dc decide drawl drome dubya echo eehird ehird elmer fudd google graph gregor hello id jethro kraut lperl lsh map num ook pansy pi pikhq pirate plot postmodern postmodern_aoler prefixes python redneck reverse rimshot rot13 rot47 sadbf sanetemp sfedeesh sffedeesh simplename slashes svedeesh swedish ustemp valspeak warez wc yodawg < 1308767011 257237 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show decide < 1308767011 699497 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell import System.Random; main = (randomRIO (0,1) :: IO Int) >>= print < 1308767018 166477 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!decide < 1308767026 712521 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1308767112 136831 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import System.Random; main = randomRIO (0,1) >>= print < 1308767116 500539 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!decide < 1308767121 733393 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1308767128 976737 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?help dice < 1308767129 182149 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dice . Throw random dice. is of the form 3d6+2. < 1308767135 514639 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?dice 1d6 < 1308767135 707795 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1d6 => 2 < 1308767192 871712 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder wth ghc doesn't use defaulting to make that Integer... < 1308767207 438578 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?dice 4d7*3+1 < 1308767207 908121 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected "*": expecting digit, "+" or end < 1308767225 933585 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lame < 1308767255 152115 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? ?run (?dice 4d7)*3+1 < 1308767256 335085 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `=>' < 1308767261 36318 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1308767273 591662 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD COMPOSABILITY < 1308767333 5821 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 1d6 < 1308767334 210347 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `d6' < 1308767361 311468 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: speaking of Lína being a female name, the swedish version of that name is the name of the most famous woman in computing history :P < 1308767377 879475 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1308767396 296171 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought lina was the swedish version < 1308767408 2996 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not Lena? < 1308767451 725297 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Lena the most famous now? < 1308767468 960823 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously there are several versions, but i assume lina is the closest one < 1308767502 80796 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, oh that lena < 1308767544 248885 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :she's also the centerfold of the most popular issue in Playboy history < 1308767551 986379 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :people still want copies of it < 1308767574 553941 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you want 4d7*3+1 to be? < 1308767580 402651 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?dice 2d6 < 1308767580 582311 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2d6 => 5 < 1308767581 310652 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is a picture of Lena Söderberg, a Swedish model, shot by photographer Dwight Hooker." < 1308767583 545807 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?dice 2d6 < 1308767583 727295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2d6 => 6 < 1308767585 501826 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?dice 2d6 < 1308767585 680148 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2d6 => 11 < 1308767590 936922 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats two six sided dice < 1308767620 356333 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd still argue that Ada's more popular :-P < 1308767644 581681 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you'd think. and Grace. < 1308767709 784586 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: mostly, i'd want it to be a number you could feed on into @run < 1308767776 649671 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oerjan: you underestimate the male sex drive :P < 1308767803 329502 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking lady byron. i think she was probably a nutcase < 1308767815 663792 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :gambling addict < 1308768113 313004 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?help run < 1308768113 565328 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :run . You have Haskell, 3 seconds and no IO. Go nuts! < 1308768150 143755 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ?. ?run and ?dice ? < 1308768275 240638 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308768416 850881 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: ?? works slightly different than ?. < 1308768442 87350 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: my point was the result of @dice is not a plain number < 1308768513 575630 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.. hrmm.. yah. < 1308768535 459013 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @run (read . last . words $ @read @dice 4d7)*3+1 < 1308768536 66826 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `compose' failed with: Prelude.read: no parse < 1308768538 748147 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :make an "unDice" function :) < 1308768539 673239 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1308768553 940765 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@read hm what is this < 1308768554 475648 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `dummy' failed with: Prelude.read: no parse < 1308768562 185480 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1308768566 815781 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@show maybe this was it < 1308768567 438562 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"maybe this was it" < 1308768574 120724 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @run (read . last . words $ @show @dice 4d7)*3+1 < 1308768575 147662 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation) < 1308768577 725562 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@read "4" < 1308768578 315796 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1308768579 209502 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff < 1308768601 142849 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@show @dice 4d7 < 1308768601 698778 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"@dice 4d7" < 1308768607 531190 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1308768610 802536 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @show @dice 4d7 < 1308768611 315520 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "4d7 => 20" < 1308768620 576443 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tada < 1308768637 328483 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @run last . words $ @show @dice 4d7 < 1308768639 274429 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "20" < 1308768675 574179 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @run (last . words $ @show @dice 4d7) < 1308768676 816880 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation) < 1308768679 967271 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1308768691 148761 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @run (last . words $ (@show @dice 4d7)) < 1308768693 74079 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "14" < 1308768697 503115 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @run (last . words $ (@show @dice 4d7))*3+1 < 1308768698 583238 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num GHC.Base.String) < 1308768698 731875 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the literal `... < 1308768702 628484 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1308768707 717722 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @run (read . last . words $ (@show @dice 4d7))*3+1 < 1308768709 527778 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 28 < 1308768711 983540 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew < 1308768727 171375 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot is looking more and more like an esoteric language < 1308768731 100236 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: anyway you can see how much simpler that would have been if @dice just printed the number :P < 1308768745 923358 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: submit a patch! ;-) < 1308768756 465106 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh evil words < 1308768799 904084 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ?let undice = read . last . words . @show or something like so? < 1308768800 936271 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-) < 1308768820 997384 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas that won't work < 1308768843 788363 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, without the @show, but with the rest, still makes it simpler < 1308768858 892966 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list dice < 1308768859 321676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dice provides: dice < 1308769188 908949 :adamfyre!~puma@174-24-203-145.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308769210 427864 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is adamfyre a burning man < 1308769291 85057 :adamfyre!~puma@174-24-203-145.tukw.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda.. < 1308769333 356597 :adamfyre!~puma@174-24-203-145.tukw.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sometimes. < 1308769384 729063 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well stop playing with gasoline! < 1308769459 12070 :adamfyre!~puma@174-24-203-145.tukw.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah < 1308769474 174397 :adamfyre!~puma@174-24-203-145.tukw.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im a welder < 1308769629 618737 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic. < 1308769652 735300 :adamfyre!~puma@174-24-203-145.tukw.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: AndroidIrc Disconnecting < 1308769706 764538 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a man on a qwest, passing by < 1308770331 263454 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1308770744 978041 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Quit: Viivan loppu. < 1308770770 348313 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1308770944 32919 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-217-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders at ldd /bin/ls < 1308770954 214018 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-217-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does ls really need libdl? < 1308771178 837088 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Libdl? < 1308771244 441104 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dlopen and friends, yes? < 1308771257 154474 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-217-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1308771283 100336 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls --with-gnu-emacs-dynamic-module-option=my.so < 1308771286 669926 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-) < 1308771295 617924 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-217-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, probably being pulled in through libacl and libselinux. < 1308771302 560718 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-217-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm very curious about libpthread still. < 1308772010 721276 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.google.com/p/unix-jun72/source/browse/trunk/src/cmd/ls.s < 1308772242 588400 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's almost 10x less lines of asm than there are lines of C in GNU ls < 1308772428 658383 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way it doesn't have any text in it. < 1308772430 527006 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At all. < 1308772460 802044 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsrr5,questf; < nonexistent\n\0>; < 1308772463 114996 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats text. < 1308772496 984771 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes args are put inline in the code < 1308772505 218470 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the caller adjusts the return addr < 1308772516 455430 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :callee i mean < 1308773725 674027 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1308773738 101669 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An era before quote-delimited string literals... < 1308773743 412875 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like dinosaurs. < 1308773745 146745 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow. < 1308774059 77960 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's like perl < 1308774181 298774 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1308774230 270204 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alert(/whatever/) < 1308774460 207619 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: javascript:alert(/whatever/) just displays /whatever/ < 1308774666 257893 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print q doesthiswork? ; < 1308774667 60479 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't find string terminator "d" anywhere before EOF at /tmp/input.5883 line 1. < 1308774690 305525 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph pesky space exception < 1308774728 176836 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print q_but this then?_; < 1308774728 593396 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error at /tmp/input.5986 line 1, near "_;" < 1308774750 110544 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print q _but this then?_ ; < 1308774750 626204 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this then? < 1308774754 845933 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, perl has syntax errors? < 1308774763 949535 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking! < 1308774782 325085 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here I thought every byte sequence would be a valid perl program < 1308774801 973693 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or: what weird dialect of perl is this bot using? < 1308774818 129776 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and chixqsomething relies on it, too! < 1308774824 656553 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1308774828 881422 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userinterps < 1308774829 149075 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Installed user interpreters: acro aol austro bc bct bfbignum brit brooklyn bypass_ignore bytes chaos chiqrsx9p choo ctcp dc decide drawl drome dubya echo eehird ehird elmer fudd google graph gregor hello id jethro kraut lperl lsh map num ook pansy pi pikhq pirate plot postmodern postmodern_aoler prefixes python redneck reverse rimshot rot13 rot47 sadbf sanetemp sfedeesh sffedeesh simplename slashes svedeesh swedish ustemp valspeak warez wc yodawg < 1308774832 470315 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-217-109.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1308774840 352095 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :!svedeesh asdasdfa < 1308774840 502211 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-198-116.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308774841 1973 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :esdesdffffa < 1308774853 807255 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :!svedeesh my hovercraft is full of eels < 1308774854 376741 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hooffercrefffft is fuull oouffff iels < 1308774855 660849 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!chiqrsx9p xThis should compile as perl, dammit! < 1308774856 133097 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unquoted string "l" may clash with future reserved word at (eval 1) line 1, line 1. < 1308774897 849807 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so everything else was fine, but a stray 'l' will kill you? nice one < 1308774919 733592 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!chiqrsx9p xThis should compile as perl, dammit! < 1308774932 315554 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better < 1308774938 86097 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: true. almost string like though < 1308774938 234586 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo did that kill you? < 1308774938 742931 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :did that kill you? < 1308774954 138372 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the way to convert it to string.. something like /foo/.src? < 1308774984 223534 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think its non portable :( < 1308775000 638460 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: technically that was a warning not an error, i think < 1308775023 410263 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that must have been its string conversion that I saw, presumably opera stringifies regexps as /etc/ < 1308775222 73073 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ... syntax error is a warning? < 1308775249 123417 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i mean that unquoted string thing < 1308775249 280371 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you refer to the chiqrsx9p message? < 1308775875 384752 :choochter!~choochter@host81-146-28-169.btremoteinternet-dsl.bt.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1308776733 426894 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads the list of ideas, notes that someone thinks that #!s use your path. < 1308776774 806670 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wait, does it? It's handled in the kernel, so I assume it isn't poking through the env, but...) < 1308776775 794708 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can! if you make the #! use something that uses your path that is < 1308776806 528355 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. /usr/bin/env foo is a common idiom, which I have no idea what it *really* does < 1308776819 466009 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, just runs foo. < 1308776830 55077 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just? sounds boring < 1308776835 142830 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it *does* look in PATH, unlike execve. < 1308776846 915910 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308776847 457110 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also allows control over the precise nature of the environment. < 1308776888 546519 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what it does when given no options is to look up foo in the path, as opposed to putting #!foo directly which wouldn't? < 1308776903 650966 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so. < 1308776934 439902 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-198-116.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1308776959 784144 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#! tells execve to execute , and I really really doubt execve even *can* look at the environment. < 1308777000 763538 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the environment for a process does exist in the kernel, doesn't it? < 1308777002 833595 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sanetemp 1300 < 1308777003 540500 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :704.4 < 1308777016 494970 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, or doesn't it? < 1308777027 811252 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~]% cat foo 127 < 1308777027 984213 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!sh < 1308777028 132785 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo foo% [~]% ./foo < 1308777028 132985 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh: ./foo: bad interpreter: sh: no such file or directory < 1308777056 168041 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would be iffy for the kernel to rely on the environment variable called "PATH" to have a special meaning < 1308777069 66111 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, exactly. < 1308777072 206898 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence env. < 1308777094 183365 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1308777117 873051 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, wait. < 1308777131 724499 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kernel should run #! files through /sbin/hashbang, and then that could be like a link to bash or whatever < 1308777150 338475 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's not an absolute pathname, it's just interpreted relative to the current directory. < 1308777172 450163 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So #!v could work if v is in the directory. < 1308777199 480834 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so what if foo starts with #!foo? < 1308777253 868659 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1308777258 852195 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are insane and also awesome. < 1308777277 300746 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh: exec format error: ./foo < 1308777279 858041 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. < 1308777332 169995 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "zsh: ...", you may be invoking shell magic rather than kernel magic here < 1308777857 891877 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: You actually could do that. < 1308777892 689869 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Linux has the ability to execute arbitrary interpreters for files, based on magic or filename. < 1308777908 58975 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you know, like how files without any #! will run fine from shells < 1308777935 10783 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, that'll just be zsh recovering from execve errors. < 1308777961 468201 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's probably a perror(errno, "zsh") < 1308777973 771737 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, perror("zsh") < 1308777997 799511 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: in bash, a file foo containing #!foo will just do nothing and return successfully < 1308778022 270603 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yeah, I guess bash doesn't handle it visibly. < 1308778047 956465 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, there's no real reason for shebang handling to be in Linux anymore. Just make /sbin/shebang the handler for the magic "#!". < 1308778068 380256 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or, if you don't want to do any actual work, /usr/bin/perl) < 1308778113 693455 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean because perl will interpret hashbangs? or because it will accept any byte sequence? < 1308778130 153979 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl interprets shebang. < 1308778203 257097 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, I should start calling my shell scripts .pl with a bash hashbang and pretend that I think it's perl code < 1308778250 993218 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, that will work on windows, so I would pretend that I only test my perl scripts on windows < 1308778280 742966 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will be hard considering I don't have any running windows systems ... crap, my evil plans suck :( < 1308778310 576303 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure the only reason for it is so that passing arguments to perl from the shebang works even if you do 'perl foo.pl'. < 1308778464 605261 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I won a game of Magic: the Gathering even though I had negative 40 life points (my opponent had positive 23). < 1308778535 962828 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Managed to pull off a "you cannot lose the game" trick? < 1308778574 251840 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite. I managed to pull off a "state based effects stop working until end of turn" trick. < 1308778622 458065 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Positive 23 was his score at the end of the game < 1308778738 211951 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Understand? < 1308778741 423844 :cheater_!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-24-66.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1308778810 939587 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... *State based effects* stop working. That's an astounding feat. < 1308778856 663453 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The imperfect deck split probably helped me to win. < 1308778869 2187 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How the hell? < 1308778872 381387 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, always the imperfect splitting of the deck < 1308778895 688508 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but however imperfect it may have been, it must have been pretty good if it made you win? < 1308778942 212164 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :We did not construct the deck. There is a deck of many cards, nine of which I made up myself, mixed up and split, then half is given to each player (without knowing which is which). So both of us had some of these made up cards (the others are very old cards). < 1308778974 38881 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a card played by my opponent helped me to win. < 1308778996 202768 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In combination with a card I played. < 1308779027 539105 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's actually a way to stop state-based effects. < 1308779050 848761 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it would break rather a lot of stuff, considering what the state-based effects *are*. < 1308779072 236123 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. "Tokens not on the battlefield cease to exist". < 1308779083 499367 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And losing from mill. < 1308779206 614678 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And more. < 1308779266 139218 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another strange thing? One of my creatures had seven -1/-1 counters (which I put on myself)....... < 1308779304 660021 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, *how the hell did you pull off no state-based effects*. < 1308779317 232780 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why didn't you use it to break things further? < 1308779356 229935 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tokens in the library! Sorceries on the battlefield! < 1308779390 550089 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I don't think sorceries on the battlefield is related to state-based effects. < 1308779409 685456 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A spell not on the stack ceases to exist as a state-based effect. < 1308779410 632946 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rule was, last I checked: "Instant or sorcery trying to come into play instead remains where it is" < 1308779431 97844 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(704.5e) < 1308779446 633012 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, that's a *copy* of a spell. < 1308779463 719726 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still would let you put things on the battlefield that shouldn't be. < 1308779489 558301 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the made-up cards (my opponent made up some cards too; both of us agreed to each other cards and then the cards were mixed with others and split at random between us (neither of us constructed a deck)) < 1308779506 538096 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah. < 1308779825 460896 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1308779927 16043 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I had an idea make up a card (not used in this game) was a creature card with phasing and "when this card comes into play, it becomes an instant in addition to its other types" < 1308779979 791932 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell, this would result in the card remaining phased out for the rest of the game. < 1308780101 174086 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once in an actual tournament my opponent disagreed with me about the rules. I was correct and the judge confirmed it, so the opponent decided to concede because they didn't like that rule. < 1308780152 422973 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1308780153 916839 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1308780183 773756 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At the same time, the tournament organizer failed to compute the scores correctly (by failing to post that score) and scored me in second place (I should have been first).) (Also, that was the only time in a tournament where I didn't score last place.) < 1308780239 29903 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually there was one tournament where I failed to score any placing because as it turned out there was not enough time to start the game. < 1308780470 328440 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people say the new rules are simplified. I say they are only more klugy. I say all editions of Magic: the Gaterhing are klugy and they always are adding klugy rules, especially the rules having to do with planeswalkers are also klugy. < 1308780484 22478 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm pretty sure the only reason for it is so that passing arguments to perl from the shebang works even if you do 'perl foo.pl'. <-- iirc it's also because shebangs are (at least in some os'es) restricted to a single option argument < 1308780545 450948 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-4.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1308780545 650948 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-4.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1308780545 799729 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1308780713 922187 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1308781548 294754 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Less kludgey than just about every other game's rules, though. < 1308781580 23021 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simply by merit of being well-defined. < 1308781660 768730 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: This thing needs a reboot < 1308781846 888059 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1308781913 430070 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-4-239.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1308782031 913597 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of no way by which the rule zzo38 quoted can actually come into to play < 1308782123 110170 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Yes, the rules are well defined but __________ < 1308782152 472455 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the dreaded underscore problem < 1308782154 638649 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: That is why I invented such a card. < 1308782207 925559 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it would make more sense a copy of a spell entering play becomes a token. < 1308782213 228785 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the rules for phasing have changed < 1308782215 339924 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-43500f4b.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What rule? < 1308782225 494821 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The Un* cards do not work at present. < 1308782246 490865 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :phasing is now a status on permanents < 1308782251 581922 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :phased-out things do not leave the battlefield < 1308782254 479689 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rules for phasing are actually sane now. < 1308782282 307982 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1308782289 743346 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're still a bit... Large, but mortals can understand them. < 1308782297 917112 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I maintain they're printable < 1308782310 267486 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Well at the time that I posted that of my idea it worked the other way. < 1308782313 62287 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Just barely, but it has become printable. < 1308782357 482405 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I prefered most of the rules the way they were before, although some things I would change are things that no edition of the rules has at all < 1308782366 489780 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like? < 1308782385 961834 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the very least, they can be explained succinctly now. "When cards phase in, you throw a tarp over them. When they phase out, you take the tarp off." < 1308782392 636647 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what rules do you not like the modern versions of them? < 1308782414 126292 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imma guess mana burn. < 1308782415 109749 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the rules are beyond repair and have been that way forever. < 1308782428 420861 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: That is one change I don't like that they remove mana burn < 1308782447 542512 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The rules for Magic have been entirely rewritten from scratch a few times. < 1308782448 733979 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I would remove the rule that auras that are also creatures are removed from play. < 1308782481 543099 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the most notable instance of this is 6th edition. < 1308782489 375091 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: They are beyond repair no matter if you rewrite them from scratch today when taking this into account! You would also have to make an entirely new game with new cards and everything else new too. < 1308782501 262157 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're quite far from beyond repair < 1308782510 589598 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where literally *all the mechanics changed*. < 1308782530 727568 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They deal with nearly every situation < 1308782533 915412 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(y'know the stack? 6th edition.) < 1308782541 590142 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually, though not always, in a sane and intuitive manner < 1308782545 186142 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sixth edition certainly did fix many things but still many things are broke < 1308782556 24019 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "broke". < 1308782561 697085 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a few things that are and will forever remain horribly complex < 1308782564 132746 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :banding, suspend < 1308782576 406449 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Banding and suspend are not my concerns. < 1308782595 960734 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are? < 1308782607 780618 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mana burn was a fine rule, but it was not necessary < 1308782628 356976 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm upset about mana burn being gone simply because it was a very flavorful thing. < 1308782628 524778 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things such as combat, even. And damage, and various other things. (Including the one I mentioned about auras being creatures) < 1308782640 335767 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, yeah, certainly not necessary. < 1308782666 156036 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing to do with flavorful but I think mana burn is a useful rule to exist in the game. < 1308782674 768432 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the auras being creatures rule is one that exists for sanity < 1308782686 233044 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my experience, mana burn was just a nuisance < 1308782695 663971 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also would have change much of the rules having to do with card types...... and more..... even planeswalkers...... < 1308782699 337918 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only time it made a significant difference was when it was abused < 1308782705 809525 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god tribal < 1308782708 439968 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one's a mess < 1308782737 932792 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes, I agree about tribal. I would have had subtypes work entirely differently, instead < 1308782752 42394 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't understand why it wouldn't have worked as a supertype :/ < 1308782764 625805 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supertypes can't have subtypes. < 1308782767 159032 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I do understand why it wouldn't have worked as a supertype. < 1308782775 42430 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, what pikhq_ said < 1308782815 421450 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: It's a minor change to allow tribal to grant creature types < 1308782827 954292 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it seems to me that subtypes necessarily being attached to types is a bit of a bug. < 1308782829 474149 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::You think the auras being creatures rule is one that exists for sanity? I disagree with the rule anyways. < 1308782845 182972 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how best to handle it, though. :/ < 1308782848 371328 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Yes, subtypes should be attached to nothing, in my opinion < 1308782862 928913 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1308782885 474352 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Actually, to do truly minimal changing to things, tribal could have been a keyword. < 1308782906 861419 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ewww < 1308782912 748050 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ability-affecting stuff would mess with that < 1308782933 263406 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Subtypes should not be attached to nothing < 1308782936 623228 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though then it wouldn't be in the type line, and OH DEAR GOD THEY ACTUALLY PUBLISHED ABILITY AFFECTING STUFF SOON AFTER < 1308782939 635408 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eeeew. < 1308782961 796241 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a number of cards that rely on noncreature subtypes being impossible to duplicate < 1308782973 586713 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the Shrines, Urzatron... < 1308782993 993848 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, that's a good one < 1308782996 668127 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Those kind of things are partially what I mean by beyond repair, but there are other things too < 1308782998 148961 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urza's being a land type < 1308783007 7603 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hardly beyond repair < 1308783016 218971 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyond repair implies they don't work < 1308783020 131239 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I have used the wrong word. < 1308783024 925390 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rules for magic work quite fine < 1308783032 822060 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :overly complicated? perhaps < 1308783034 751515 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just have to deal with a lot of edge cases. < 1308783135 453816 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: That is the stupid part. < 1308783197 758465 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only way to deal with that *would*, in fact, be to junk all previous cards. < 1308783248 737669 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: That would be, to, make an entirely new game too. < 1308783284 52435 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it would inherently be a different game. < 1308783288 232787 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1308783436 307695 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a Commander player, I've very glad for the exceptions for corner cases < 1308783510 906652 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commander player? What does that mean? < 1308783719 301557 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1308783915 567647 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1308784191 502914 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1308784419 160749 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1308784520 232533 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/sbin/hashbang is called /usr/bin/env. < 1308784545 936428 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: env does not parse #! < 1308784550 15450 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore you fail. < 1308784610 148843 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm used to it < 1308784626 766358 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I play commander < 1308784693 345240 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1308784720 606047 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1308785010 540562 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1308785020 607099 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1308785364 138401 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1308786188 70474 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-43500f4b.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders reversible CAs < 1308786245 947415 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sAC elbisrever srednop < 1308786292 793015 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :isnt there one that has really interesting patterns already? < 1308786301 589769 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1308786521 372446 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's the rule 30 1d automaton < 1308786551 415405 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that's _globally_ reversible < 1308786604 173932 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-43500f4b.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't sure of the difference, and just imagines that reversible CAs have conserved quantities that can be competed over. < 1308786675 36601 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1308786705 529902 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm not even sure that's the right terminology < 1308786737 709559 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showIntAtBase 2 intToDigit 30 "" < 1308786738 425794 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "11110" < 1308786777 606966 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the infinite tapes ...000... and ...111... both map to ...000... < 1308786819 926145 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but changing any _bounded_ area will give a different result < 1308786911 638248 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-43500f4b.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION headaches < 1308786918 461739 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1308786964 427407 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: anyway, any CA has _one_ conserved quantity... total area size :P < 1308786977 721592 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah that's very trivial) < 1308787007 951586 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but say look-and-say sequences don't have that, since they expand) < 1308787026 601236 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-43500f4b.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can imagine a CA that doesn't. < 1308787045 181545 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-43500f4b.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make it a torus except along the seams an extra block of cells is placed there every 5 generations < 1308787058 816728 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-43500f4b.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guuess the "seams' are arbitrary < 1308787062 956324 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that wouldn't fit the definition of a CA < 1308787081 427766 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a law that gift cards are not allowed to expire?