< 1309219385 292966 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1309219482 953664 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1309219809 313235 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :*.net *.split < 1309219809 637522 :iamcal!u1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kdlfwkghudpvnlnp QUIT :*.net *.split < 1309219850 575740 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1309219954 35709 :bsmntbombdood!~gavin@c-24-9-98-117.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1309220033 123785 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1309220033 272464 :iamcal!u1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kdlfwkghudpvnlnp JOIN :#esoteric < 1309221596 716264 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (drop 1) :: [Int] < 1309221600 469701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1309222383 916829 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (take 1) :: [Int] < 1309222387 623158 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1309222400 688589 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1309222454 316174 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (map (const 2)) < 1309222458 15501 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1309222532 369625 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll probably get the same result for most [a] -> [a] functions. < 1309222977 694849 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix ("you don't say?":) < 1309222978 580323 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["you don't say?","you don't say?","you don't say?","you don't say?","you d... < 1309224193 785910 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@h-67-101-72-35.nycmny83.static.covad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309224194 38537 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@h-67-101-72-35.nycmny83.static.covad.net QUIT :Changing host < 1309224194 190720 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1309226948 804877 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1309227138 913849 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1309228519 617416 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-98.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309228724 794607 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-232-38.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1309229442 881712 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-146-193.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309231276 855148 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309235108 807265 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can player phone the wall? < 1309235222 223046 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-146-193.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1309235301 196886 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1309235305 908460 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1309235787 752444 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1309236001 119591 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1309236100 989576 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1309236466 577416 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-16.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1309236487 188387 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-16.elisa.ee PART :#esoteric < 1309237053 900628 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309238495 165195 :foocraft!~ewanas@89.211.245.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309238626 714026 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In C, is it an error to cast from a function pointer to non-function pointer or vice versa when compiling to harvard architectures unless you double-cast it by first casting to a numeric type? (It should be, in my opinion. But only for harvard architectures and only if you do not double-cast.) < 1309238874 910800 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is undefined behavior, and thus always an error. < 1309238884 105870 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean a compiler error. < 1309238917 67048 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That *is* valid. < 1309238929 94376 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would also be valid to have the elephants go on parade. < 1309240898 83366 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember I once made a computer game where at one point of the game, you are given two choices, you can select either "Can Pikachu electrify the light?" or "Can player phone the wall?" Also in the game is someone who says he will give you two water energies but only if you don't need it. < 1309241296 662779 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds amazing < 1309241344 237330 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone else in the game once asks you if you like keys. < 1309241511 181282 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends highly on context for me; sometimes I love them and sometimes I hate them < 1309242490 69607 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also in the game is a wizard who does nothing except ask what Pikachu wants. He is standing in a store that only sells two things, food dish and candy. < 1309242519 1044 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you can find on the floor a "hand energy" which can be used for making pizza later on in the game. < 1309242585 8527 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you select the "Can player phone the wall?" option, the game responds with the message "space echo rings". < 1309242633 697816 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this makes me want to make games < 1309242694 393903 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then make a game. < 1309242707 272128 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made many computer games. < 1309242715 136986 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can learn, too. < 1309242741 285250 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some games I make using MegaZeux. You can download one version of MegaZeux at: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/mzx1/mzx_extended/ < 1309242755 892231 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is a directory listing; you must select the files you want to download.) < 1309242768 720699 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And be aware that the online help (when you push F1) has some errors in it.) < 1309242774 520780 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAPPY CAPS LOCK DAY < 1309242790 883310 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course is also possible using C, QBASIC, and whatever else you want to use. < 1309242795 596014 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including paper. < 1309243220 307839 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1309243697 485391 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1309244214 824907 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1309244741 67373 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1309244898 989521 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-49.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309244907 675437 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-98.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1309245385 67937 :CakeProphet!~adam@98.18.4.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309245385 496521 :CakeProphet!~adam@98.18.4.109 QUIT :Changing host < 1309245385 645171 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1309246736 857953 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1309248199 228589 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1309248275 150652 :jcp|1!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1309248776 462596 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309249112 870117 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1309249973 635972 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1309250126 684238 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309250696 928366 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1309250876 714734 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309251056 184308 :foocraft!~ewanas@89.211.245.3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1309251822 845153 :foocraft!~ewanas@178.152.126.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309252031 71302 :foocraft!~ewanas@178.152.126.101 QUIT :Client Quit < 1309252406 177588 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1309258283 428306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309261670 39324 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java doesn't let you golf enoguh. < 1309261671 242937 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough* < 1309261707 937122 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is bad. < 1309262124 92917 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why on Earth would you even expect that from Java. < 1309262177 132836 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think golfing a large project would be fun. It provides some new challenges < 1309262192 273045 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since the byte counts are larger, there's more room to work in fancy tricks to drop the byte count. < 1309262502 148808 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, with source filters in Perl you could shorten operators and keywords, add semicolons, and have then compress the source. < 1309262574 606889 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and I guess you could expand macros, since I don't think Perl has macros. < 1309262991 369103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: have you seen the trick of putting your code in an enum initialiser? < 1309264007 228448 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1309264027 850048 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you could do some interesting golfing in jvm bytecode maybe < 1309264720 350506 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, eh? < 1309264732 676901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: for golfing Java < 1309264738 20795 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the trick? < 1309264745 101028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's incredibly bad style, but it actually works < 1309264749 31252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember the exact way it's done < 1309264753 176311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me find it on anagolf < 1309264760 105995 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, I'd love to have a contest to, say, actually implement an language requiring a complex parser. < 1309264784 536699 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then make examples requiring non-cheating. < 1309264792 699375 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish you could set it up to make a "generator" program. < 1309264797 2594 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each run, it is fed a random number < 1309264804 923390 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses this random number to generate input and output set. < 1309264815 314491 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, cheating implementations are defeated. < 1309264875 409946 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1309264893 238363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's an example program using the trick, a golfed Java infinite loop by narb: enum _{_;int i;{for(;i<1;);}} < 1309264935 709536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I assume the i<1 is in there because unreachable code produces compile errors in Java, so it had to look like it was doing something) < 1309264988 458204 :CakeProphet!~adam@h43.24.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309264988 913143 :CakeProphet!~adam@h43.24.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1309264989 65102 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1309264992 354556 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, clever. < 1309265011 152332 :fizzie!~fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A compile-time detected infinite loop -- like a for (;;) -- fails with: "initializer must be able to complete normally" < 1309265034 742649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose infinite loops in initializers is not generally a useful thing to be able to do < 1309265210 727684 :fizzie!~fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"enum _{_;{for(;Math.E<3;);}}" would be one character shorter, but unfortunately also gives the same complaint, perhaps because Math.E is "final". < 1309265492 7674 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1309268235 450216 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main problem here < 1309268238 822367 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that you're golfing in Java. < 1309268466 719529 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl ... < 1309268468 601292 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error at /tmp/input.24328 line 1, near "..." < 1309268479 219928 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print sub {...} < 1309268479 710703 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error at /tmp/input.24391 line 1, near "{..." < 1309268496 159530 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm? I thought ... was a legitimate filler-code syntax... < 1309268577 619428 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl sub test {...} print test < 1309268578 116986 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error at /tmp/input.24567 line 1, near "{..." < 1309268838 428086 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1309268885 270174 :fizzie!~fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... is an operator, at least; a variant of the .. operator. < 1309269037 178452 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309269155 408041 :fizzie!~fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works differently in the strange scalar flip-flop case. < 1309269203 560644 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the strange scalar flip-flop case" sounds like a book title gone awry < 1309269334 477233 :fizzie!~fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl for (1..3) { print if ($_ == 2) .. ($_ > 0); } < 1309269334 995540 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1309269338 792337 :fizzie!~fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl for (1..3) { print if ($_ == 2) ... ($_ > 0); } < 1309269339 241669 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :23 < 1309269484 293816 :fizzie!~fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The .. operator becomes false already on the $_ == 2 round, while the ... operator waits (doesn't evaluate the right side) until the $_ == 3 round. < 1309269532 23911 :fizzie!~fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Obviously." < 1309269790 604063 :fizzie!~fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's another silly thing. < 1309269797 579061 :fizzie!~fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl for (1..5) { $v = ($_ == 3 .. $_ == 5); print "($v)" } < 1309269798 81764 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​()()(1)(2)(3E0) < 1309269843 342462 :fizzie!~fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last returned true value has "E0" after it; doesn't change the numeric value, but is distinguishable if necessary. < 1309269855 640914 :fizzie!~fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminds one of the "0 but true" thing. < 1309270117 226222 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :romance in iwc? truly the world is coming to an end < 1309270724 485219 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1309270818 503928 :CakeProphet!~adam@h252.63.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309270818 928816 :CakeProphet!~adam@h252.63.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1309270819 77428 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1309270962 677160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1309272725 496177 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1309272983 391109 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1309275116 463994 :Tritonio!~TrT@77.49.233.104.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1309276154 63413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1309278825 69300 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-249-31.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309278843 279022 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-49.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1309278935 604569 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309278943 569811 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1309278943 746003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1309280041 698785 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18e49d42.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309280236 311791 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18e49d42.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1309280263 632101 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18e49d42.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309280392 490534 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18e49d42.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1309280416 638952 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18e49d42.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309280508 54394 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18e49d42.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1309280879 350523 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl time < 1309280911 660823 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!javascript 1 < 1309280923 335198 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's perl time! < 1309281543 103887 :fizzie!~fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Perl Time::HiRes. < 1309282279 401609 :Tritonio!~TrT@77.49.233.104.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1309282396 664078 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-7-233.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309283260 405635 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1309283304 1972 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-45-57.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1309283304 428926 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-45-57.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1309283304 577871 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1309283428 701313 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-47.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1309283443 758008 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-47.elisa.ee PART :#esoteric < 1309284253 467099 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309285076 733680 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-45-57.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1309285077 120364 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-45-57.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1309285077 268894 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1309285212 4729 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1309285212 247584 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1309287497 805380 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-249-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION continues to wonder at "The Hobbit" being split into 2 films, but Lord of the Rings not being split into 6.
< 1309287594 482944 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: 4 films if you count the two extended editions (of the two hobbit films) < 1309287735 32919 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and iirc the extended lord of the rings films run to about 12h in total, which is close to 6 films if you split it to normal-length films < 1309287751 523091 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-249-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, true. < 1309287767 232360 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-249-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That alone testifies that they shouldn't have freaking made LotR into a film series. < 1309287778 652256 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-249-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fundamentally incompatible. < 1309288110 566621 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, by which you mean it was significantly better than the books < 1309288129 464488 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-249-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I won't argue that the books are well-written or anything. < 1309288146 517929 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-249-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just that the thing is fundamentally incompatible with the film medium. < 1309288157 887070 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-249-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And probably also incompatible with the novel medium as well, TBH. < 1309288161 755574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, the films were pretty good. < 1309288184 904902 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-249-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The films were also radically distinct from the books. < 1309288188 54022 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, they had pacing problems, but they were a relatively minor detriment. < 1309288219 763720 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Radically distinct' as in 'they got rid of Bombadil and Saruman's invasion of the Shire'? < 1309288246 431649 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also huge swathes of stuff about trees and hills and stuff. < 1309288250 86023 :foocraft!~ewanas@178.152.126.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309288389 764810 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I for one didn't notice any of the differences between the books and the films < 1309289507 52686 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1309290259 8278 :jcp|other!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309291913 40111 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone here know how to get X working from within a chroot? < 1309292318 721457 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My god is this yet more plot development I see in IWC. < 1309292421 419400 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom: a syscall trace (ie. strace/ktrace/truss) should be helpful in figuring out what X wants < 1309292445 921101 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, it simply does not connect to the display. < 1309292460 747133 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know this is an Xauth problem because I solved it before, but I've forgotten how. < 1309292470 731062 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because its trying to connect to a unix domain socket that is not in its chroot < 1309293669 278523 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you'll need to link in the unix socket file or use DISPLAY=localhost:0 instead (for TCP), and you'll have to get the .Xauthority file and set XAUTHORITY= < 1309293707 187392 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or use "xauth" cmd line to add the specific entries you want < 1309293744 940481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309293842 669774 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I have a bind mount for /tmp, but there doesn't actually seem to be a socket file there. < 1309293911 344487 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :netstat < 1309293953 111167 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls -a /tmp/.X11-unix shows it as empty. < 1309293998 591423 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my normal root, as well. < 1309294042 201787 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and netstat says? < 1309294058 988305 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :netstat shows /tmp/.X11-unix/X0. < 1309294066 19677 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even want to think about this. < 1309294083 89435 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it's some deep Unix magic? < 1309294089 416727 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you're in a chroot under a chroot under a chroot < 1309294096 856380 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :inside a simulator inside a virtual world < 1309294128 193485 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls -l /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 shows nada? < 1309294155 474808 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1309294208 361371 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, oh, and of course, I don't have a .Xauthority file. < 1309294240 422309 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom: strace/truss/ktrace "xeyes" see what its doing to reach X and to auth < 1309294357 540056 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: /tmp/I/N/C/E/P/T/I/O/N/tmp/.X11-unix/X0 < 1309294387 362543 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he's on the thirteenth floor < 1309294429 735951 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, you know strace is like impossible to extract useful information from, right? < 1309294459 669395 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ph: you're on the brainfuck channel. you're kidding, right? < 1309294481 726454 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, the *ostensible* brainfuck channel. < 1309294485 90478 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Biiiiig difference. < 1309294523 887773 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly, i've found strace to be very helpful in situations like this. < 1309294635 408895 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No mention of 'auth' anywhere. < 1309294663 101064 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you see it connecting to some socket? < 1309294720 705797 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it connects to X0. < 1309296596 687403 :jix!jix@tomakin.h-ix.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1309297238 230940 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-7-233.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1309297550 458823 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1309298605 888640 :CakeProphet!~adam@h111.62.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309298606 349406 :CakeProphet!~adam@h111.62.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1309298606 497992 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1309298623 102292 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet! < 1309298692 70204 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1309299531 448516 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
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