< 1309392766 98432 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..] \\ [1,2,3,4,5] < 1309392766 877969 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,... < 1309393061 564544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1..] \\ [2..] < 1309393064 500688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..] \\ [2..] < 1309393068 116814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :timeout, presumably < 1309393068 314785 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1309393071 903626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it would be amazing if it worked < 1309393109 123061 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be easy, wouldn't it. < 1309393121 825513 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Create a new infinite list which checks if the element is in the second list before yielding it. < 1309393130 135283 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do a linear search which short circuits. < 1309393134 106863 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this hard in Haskell? < 1309393155 492857 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..] \\ [2,4..] < 1309393159 305544 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1309393162 924323 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right. < 1309393171 219835 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it doesn't exist, you end up with an infinite loop. < 1309393174 677052 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..] \\ [1..] < 1309393178 388242 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1309393724 775519 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let r = 1 : map (* 2) r in [1..] \\ r < 1309393731 452002 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1309393743 997685 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't haskell do proper strength reduction!!!! < 1309393787 517806 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let odiff [] _ = []; odiff l [] = l; odiff xss@(x:xs) yss@(y:ys) = case compare x y of LT -> x:odiff xs yss; EQ -> odiff xs ys; GT -> odiff xss ys in odiff [1..] [2,4..] < 1309393790 259792 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,3,5,7,9,11,13,15,17,19,21,23,25,27,29,31,33,35,37,39,41,43,45,47,49,51,5... < 1309393811 847219 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: what? < 1309393815 914145 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermin < 1309394413 55491 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :>[1,3..] < 1309394417 418848 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1,3..] < 1309394418 334046 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,3,5,7,9,11,13,15,17,19,21,23,25,27,29,31,33,35,37,39,41,43,45,47,49,51,5... < 1309394422 17534 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I win? < 1309394520 709478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you missed the point of the question < 1309394522 614442 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very small trinket, perhaps. < 1309395121 438834 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that above only works on ordered lists right? < 1309395134 86482 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that was the idea < 1309395339 112059 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it could fail on data types other than integers, if infinitely many elements of the first list are larger than all of the second infinite one < 1309395398 36765 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...actually, if _any_ element of the first list is larger than all of the second one < 1309395433 293568 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes. < 1309395458 31263 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let odiff [] _ = []; odiff l [] = l; odiff xss@(x:xs) yss@(y:ys) = case compare x y of LT -> x:odiff xs yss; EQ -> odiff xs ys; GT -> odiff xss ys in odiff [Left 10, Right 1] [Left n | n <- [1,3..]] < 1309395461 741078 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1309395470 198040 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if the second list is ordered in increasing order to infinity this is usually not the case, unless your data type has some sort of non-linear ordering. < 1309395493 637121 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: um that's what i meant by "non-integer" < 1309395505 929454 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was an example above < 1309395534 137554 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically that Left 10 should have got through, but i guess the timeout didn't keep the output) < 1309395632 927670 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that's not non-linear, there are just two consecutive copies of the Integers. < 1309395639 67658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1309395705 656301 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let odiff [] _ = []; odiff l [] = l; odiff xss@(x:xs) yss@(y:ys) = case compare x y of LT -> x:odiff xs yss; EQ -> odiff xs ys; GT -> odiff xss ys in odiff [-1/10 :: Rational, 1] [-1/n | n <- [1,3..]] < 1309395709 376752 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1309395875 983834 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Soviet Soyuz 11 spacecraft suffered an uncontrolled decompression during reentry, killing cosmonauts Vladislav Volkov, Georgiy Dobrovolskiy and Viktor Patsayev—the only human deaths to occur in space." < 1309395918 418355 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so as far as we know, no human being has ever got _lost_ in space... < 1309395988 277792 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :major tom did < 1309396000 888530 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :his capsule knew which way to go, though < 1309396008 276132 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he's probably alright < 1309396019 113647 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1309396111 895042 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if i calculate correctly, today agora is an adult < 1309396125 172376 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 . < 1309396131 57352 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :18 years old? < 1309396135 806578 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1309396527 673414 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so finns < 1309396530 729821 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me about july 27th < 1309396807 243929 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1309396893 971956 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1309397099 852055 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1309397211 82301 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I was trying to figure out how to switch the Linux console into codepage 437 (at FreeGeek). I eventually figured out but it was a bit difficult. It required using the dd command with another dd command in a ` ` piped to awk and other things like that. < 1309397220 244323 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there simpler ways? < 1309398389 670096 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i don't know; btw why do you need codepage 437? < 1309398601 121441 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Some programs use it (including NetHack) and I wanted to the Linux console using not unicode. I have root access on those machines but it can be configured to work on individual sessions easily using the way I have, so it won't affect anything anyone else does (especially if using X). < 1309398675 157524 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way I did it required a command structure something like this: dd if=/dev/mem skip=`dd if=/dev/mem | od | awk`; consolechars < 1309398693 17664 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note I omitted most of the command-line parameters < 1309398734 845965 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I also used echo -e < 1309398811 471916 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -e is required to send the codes to turn off unicode and it is also necessary to turn off the character mapping by using the "console chars" program. < 1309398852 580641 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, at least it could be done without rebooting (some documents said you needed to reboot) < 1309398864 181015 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is distro-shopping. Again.
< 1309398908 861094 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I wonder how usable NixOS is. < 1309400448 655166 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :55 usability points. < 1309400523 312622 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not satisfied with the usual ambiguities of degree in language, I seek to quantify everything with silly point systems. < 1309400859 994251 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 ambiguity points. < 1309400871 709898 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(silly point) systems or silly (point systems)? < 1309400919 784565 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i much like the former < 1309400924 682100 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly points are the best < 1309400927 488402 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly ((silly point) systems) < 1309400969 848491 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 fake lisp points < 1309401043 274570 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was more like ((((silly)) ((((point)) ((systems)))))) < 1309401064 113884 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :()()()()()()()()()()()()() < 1309401080 369354 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite silly < 1309401114 802681 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1309401115 543475 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in cases like the one quintopia likes, I usually hyphenate. silly-point systems. < 1309401145 924847 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's just clear from context or whatever. < 1309401164 472169 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 28e9/200000**(1/3) < 1309401165 323596 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4.787932650694753e8 < 1309401205 920113 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1309401296 949137 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309401753 872299 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1309401754 312772 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Changing host < 1309401754 461257 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1309401858 409220 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1309402003 845225 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1309402033 866616 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr' (*) 33 (replicate 99999999999 1) < 1309402034 667299 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `foldr'' < 1309402053 727135 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr $! (*) 33 (replicate 99999999999 1) < 1309402054 655321 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `a -> b -> b' < 1309402054 819467 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `[... < 1309402069 241442 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldr < 1309402070 10893 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (a -> b -> b) -> b -> [a] -> b < 1309402110 434299 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldr' makes little sense as a direct recursion < 1309402127 338752 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't about making sense! < 1309402137 479034 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about inefficient id functions < 1309402156 724589 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to reverse the list first to make it efficient without exhausting the stack < 1309402225 71660 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since (*) is strict, you can probably get the same result by just using foldr? < 1309402270 761202 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr (*) 33 (replicate 99999999999 1) < 1309402271 801789 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: stack overflow < 1309402285 160064 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected. < 1309402300 31018 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr (*) 33 (replicate 9999999 1) < 1309402300 187188 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now since (*) is also commutative, foldl' might be equivalent... < 1309402301 406440 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: stack overflow < 1309402312 305224 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but more efficient right? < 1309402336 959986 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sort of, it won't overflow the stack... < 1309402346 743156 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin < 1309402348 877134 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can probably be optimized into a loop < 1309402358 660888 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr (*) 33 (replicate 9999 1) < 1309402359 666060 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 33 < 1309402362 551697 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr (*) 33 (replicate 999999 1) < 1309402363 533687 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: stack overflow < 1309402365 112479 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr (*) 33 (replicate 99999 1) < 1309402366 206629 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 33 < 1309402369 771586 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go. < 1309402447 657676 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let id1 x = foldr (*) x (replicate 99999 1); id2 = (!!999999999999 . iterate id1; < 1309402448 546457 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `;' < 1309402450 657539 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1309402473 666506 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let id1 x = foldr (*) x (replicate 99999 1); id2 = (!!999999999999) . (iterate id1) in id2 33 < 1309402477 506324 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1309402508 584903 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..success. Time to write a library for inefficient chaining of inefficient id functions. < 1309402690 547881 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a hunch that that would have overflowed the stack if it actually got to finish building the thunks... < 1309402715 474932 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let id1 x = foldr (*) x (replicate 99999 1); id2 = (!!999) . (iterate id1) in id2 33 < 1309402718 13295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: stack overflow < 1309402721 570190 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1309402799 105764 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, NixOS does not currently install. < 1309402824 13391 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only have NixOS if you already have it. *MWAHAHAHAHA* < 1309402972 931185 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :NixOS seems interesting. < 1309402975 796359 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd love to see how it turns out. < 1309402991 689019 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let id1 x = foldl (*) x (replicate 99999 1); id2 = (!!999999999999) . (iterate id1) in id2 33 < 1309402995 765926 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's a very clever concept. < 1309403000 528552 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *E < 1309403009 837085 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But with a completely and utterly broken installer, I have to rate its usability as "0". < 1309403019 558698 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(estimation: locks up on boot in qemu) < 1309403023 284228 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if you change the kernel, Nix will ensure that external kernel modules such as the NVIDIA driver will be rebuilt as well" < 1309403035 524276 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to every sane distroy < 1309403043 543813 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::c < 1309403083 941897 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: What's more interesting about NixOS is that it makes it very, very difficult to break an install. < 1309403100 668777 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, it is pretty much impossible for a library update to break packages. < 1309403115 477054 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. That's a feature of Nix, which NixOS uses. But you know what I mean. < 1309403154 304465 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, nix apparently is being developed on ARM < 1309403178 747855 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, sudo rm -rf /usr/lib < 1309403179 480683 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1309403180 33325 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Broken < 1309403185 702676 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's the thing that bothers me about it < 1309403189 949826 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: No such directory. < 1309403195 967022 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, sudo rm -rf /nix < 1309403217 949586 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it never deletes old packages < 1309403220 291543 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesss, that would break it. < 1309403229 19964 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't it slowly eat your storage up? < 1309403242 438178 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You can call for a collection cycle. < 1309403244 367840 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I assume it would have an "clean" command or something to manually purge things. < 1309403252 581294 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they didn't think of it, I would be shockced. < 1309403254 166816 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocked* < 1309403271 795804 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thereby telling it to garbage collect any packages not currently referenced by a configuration. < 1309403277 831632 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so like "delete all configurations before X"? < 1309403297 362939 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: No, you'd do "delete all configurations before X", and then "garbage collect". < 1309403308 392547 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1309403664 673008 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1309403820 534965 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is so very tempted to NIH a distro.
< 1309403825 183700 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not a good thing. < 1309404130 614887 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1309404462 743468 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that installing Nix on an existing system is a bad idea. < 1309404763 145731 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1309404763 333048 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1309404778 957110 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1309404783 210161 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an intended use-case. < 1309404885 303604 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1309404903 205545 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you get bad packages < 1309404912 860455 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "bad". < 1309404913 9917 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if the maintainers fuck up your shit < 1309404925 781070 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so you have a bad package. < 1309404933 263016 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And? < 1309404946 762486 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep and you need that package. it's the most important thing you need on your system < 1309404962 496295 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how hard is it to fix the build? < 1309404969 78895 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what you're saying is basically, "imagine that libc fucked up". < 1309404994 706578 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, or that the package that installs it fucks up or something < 1309405016 796025 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only packages that depend on that specific package will be affected by it. < 1309405017 501876 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :because packages here seem to be doing a lot more than traditional packages < 1309405029 876610 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All others will be depending on the previous libc. < 1309405088 768588 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think the userbase will be able to keep up with the demand for new packages? < 1309405176 794741 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you even understand how Nix works? < 1309405193 371882 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're asking questions that make about as much sense as "What if the cat jumps over the moon?" < 1309405235 480438 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not completely, but i wouldn't be asking otherwise < 1309405252 235424 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i do understand that a distro is only as good as its userbase < 1309405264 586496 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah everyone knows it's cows who do that < 1309405341 536065 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so each package has its files in /nix/HASH-pkgname/, where HASH is a cryptographic hash of all its dependencies concatenated (IIRC, things like "configuration settings" are part of that, and I know that build-time dependencies are) < 1309405369 239678 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each package basically refers to files *in those directories*. < 1309405392 559647 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, a package update literally cannot affect other packages unless those packages update. < 1309405687 599959 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i got that much < 1309405701 878218 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wanted to know hard it would be to fiddle with a package < 1309405724 694388 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :say "this package is broken, but i want this package, and the other users aren't fixing it" < 1309405748 200170 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No real problem. < 1309405795 534795 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which packages are active (i.e. have symlinks in ~ for the sake of your PATH) is per-user. < 1309405811 613638 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just build your own packages, and voila. < 1309405813 394433 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you say you can have multiple versions of the same package simultaneously. how much of a troubleshooting headache would this cause? seems like it would make the system dependency graph a bit hairier. < 1309405831 580443 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why. < 1309405867 301629 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :because every time you want to fix something, you have to know which versions of which packages it depends on. is there a tool to make that easier? < 1309405886 648308 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeees, the package manager. < 1309405922 742016 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't maintain all this *manually*. < 1309405936 168988 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, but that's what bothers me you know :P < 1309405963 726770 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes it harder for me to visualize the weak points in the system < 1309405998 828234 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might wish to read up on the Nix expression language. < 1309406045 352726 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1309406465 768562 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1309407314 161011 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309407539 860256 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think that if you were a kid and you were told growing up that jack and the bean stalk was religion that by the time you got older you would be defending jack and the bean stalk instead of jesus christ? < 1309407667 209126 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i dont religion < 1309407715 406380 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1309407749 871718 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeedaWeeda: No, because I do not defend the myth of IESVS. < 1309407781 824513 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But those who do? I'd certainly imagine so. < 1309407850 951167 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is quite demonstrable that religious belief is primarily correlated with the beliefs of ones parents, followed quite closely by the common beliefs of the region. < 1309407859 698131 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd imagine so too, though perhaps not as many < 1309407876 28377 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes; Jack and the Bean Stalk is a much less self-defending meme. < 1309407923 273136 :derrik!~xix@194.150.65.74 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309408005 247084 :derrik!~xix@194.150.65.74 PART :#esoteric < 1309408021 850333 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1309408066 742958 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1309408134 839849 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309408257 814340 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you look back in history < 1309408268 682979 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ancient civilizations < 1309408298 106034 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had religious beliefs that are very similar to the ones commonly held today < 1309408303 240082 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had saviors < 1309408305 479616 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :messiahs < 1309408306 29894 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gods < 1309408311 747959 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :believable < 1309408317 965923 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they denounced everyone elses gods < 1309408330 436041 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can study this and see for yourself < 1309408338 395522 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just proves that history repeats < 1309408363 456143 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :theory: people are silly < 1309408430 642330 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof: < 1309408469 263122 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you guys see this months edition of national geographic? < 1309408493 678940 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it features that archaeological site in turkey they discovered some decades ago, gobekli tepe < 1309408497 207836 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its funny < 1309408505 821498 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because according to them < 1309408522 269097 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the site was built by primitive cave men, hunter gatherer type people < 1309408530 700793 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeedaWeeda: No argument with that. It is *indeed* quite amusing that most current religious beliefs are very similar to ancient and dead beliefs. < 1309408536 174086 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you see < 1309408556 199035 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these huge pillars < 1309408565 357425 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very finely carved < 1309408585 318227 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very complex structures < 1309408607 671359 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they say the cavemen did this all on their own with some rope and logs < 1309408633 280353 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i held my head down in shame, i cant believe anyone could believe < 1309408653 849953 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More plausibly, it wasn't "cave men". < 1309408655 371477 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some primitive hunter/gatherer's could build a structure like tha < 1309408691 799082 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such complex structures require, at a minimum, agriculture. Such that you can have people dedicated to such inessential crafts. < 1309408758 618605 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think civilization goes back much further than is commonly believed in the scientific community < 1309408793 416418 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What makes you think that? < 1309408818 515810 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's commonly believed in the scientific community is based upon evidence. < 1309408842 39008 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1309408855 384855 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but unfortunately in a lot of cases, that notion becomes dogma < 1309408960 400368 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this an occult chatroom? < 1309408991 356755 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, the origin of civilization is believed to be somewhere about 9500 BCE, because this is the approximate age of the oldest found sedentary, agricultural culture. < 1309409012 253544 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we find an older such culture, then we can push the founding of civilization further back. < 1309409048 716368 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, this is not an occult chatroom. < 1309409053 897231 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't put scientists on my committees. Give them more data and they'll just change their minds." < 1309409167 847639 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: where are you? < 1309409178 639916 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i invoke your mystical power! < 1309409288 135723 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I am at Canada. < 1309409297 722823 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of mystical power are you trying to invoke? < 1309409319 609115 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever it was, i think it was successful < 1309409320 861666 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: BeedaWeeda is interested in Magic < 1309409368 803954 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: :D < 1309409370 906246 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i was filled with zzo38 mystery at the moment i saw quintopia: I am at Canada. < 1309409544 4492 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote as i was filled with zzo38 mystery at the moment i saw quintopia: I am at Canada. < 1309409545 250803 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :475) as i was filled with zzo38 mystery at the moment i saw quintopia: I am at Canada. < 1309409570 160003 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure that works very well without context < 1309409576 800305 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone who sees that in the future will think it is two quotes < 1309409586 750418 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is the format that has been accepted < 1309409592 111624 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :add context if you like < 1309409630 96723 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then they will try to correct the spacing, and we must undo it < 1309409692 252984 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1309409696 30810 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can delete it if you like too < 1309409702 248678 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but know that i also received the mystery < 1309409776 593892 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean magick < 1309409805 885339 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its interesting yea, but i wouldnt dedicate the time necessary to learn it < 1309409810 104717 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :We very often have quotations without proper context so don't worry about it too much < 1309409813 808024 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with zzo38, it's mostly Magic < 1309409856 462253 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but elliott has been known to delete them < 1309409868 501726 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1309410480 318539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1309410801 46319 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's play pokemon card: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/textfile/miscellaneous/pokemon_card/puzzle.1 < 1309411003 592485 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you do it? < 1309411229 130420 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the goal? < 1309411302 327863 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Goal is win. < 1309411321 496274 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Obviously) < 1309411324 935941 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1309411367 945695 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in one turn < 1309411369 198473 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1309411370 960826 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reload the file if necessary; I have clarified a bit < 1309411378 620004 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would one make a game in which the goal was to lose, anyway < 1309411381 862396 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1309411385 522704 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes, in one turn. < 1309411402 544402 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Some chess puzzles might do that possibly (lose without resigning) < 1309411419 96823 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think in chess they are called "reflex mate") < 1309411519 602698 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Note that if you fail to win this turn, you will lose due to running out of cards!! < 1309411536 223554 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: not if you restock your deck with garbage run < 1309411540 901250 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is it something other than gust of wind the porygon, move the damage from the hypno on to it, and then attack it? < 1309411585 870733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1309411610 360694 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes. Doing that will knock out only one opponent's pokemon and you need to knock out 2 opponent's pokemons to win. Note opponent can knock you out in one turn you lose. < 1309411622 801238 :Lymee!~moe@123.120.129.100 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309411623 251534 :Lymee!~moe@123.120.129.100 QUIT :Changing host < 1309411623 402579 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1309411650 931206 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can restock your deck but it won't help much (opponent will probably knock you out; they have some cards you cannot see) < 1309411768 839233 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One hint: At the end of the game your hand will contain only the 2 cards you picked up from knocking out 2 of opponent's pokemons (what the cards are is irrelevant) < 1309411825 678555 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right I forgot how prizes work < 1309411955 554149 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you win, you make up a puzzle game of pokemon cards next. < 1309411971 861327 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually you don't have to make up one if you don't want to) < 1309412084 686614 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you cannot use CURSE to move damage from your own cards to opponent's cards. You can only move damage from one of opponent's card to another. < 1309412087 975024 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has discovered a build system infinitely superior to Make.
< 1309412092 967443 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call it "/bin/sh". < 1309412110 240097 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes that is what I use for my own programs. < 1309412187 17006 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can you please include pokemon's types somewhere? < 1309412192 563801 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pokemons' < 1309412216 35411 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: They are included. That is what the "E:" means. < 1309412272 144041 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh ok < 1309412283 469274 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time sh -c './configure && make'; 2.807 seconds. < 1309412286 135444 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is short for "Energy type") < 1309412294 534063 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time ./build.sh; 0.275 seconds. < 1309412310 593794 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck time make; 0.349 seconds < 1309412313 824650 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so why does "use power to move damage from hypno to porygon, retreat to hypno, gust of wind mr mime, attack and deal the extra damage to porygon" not work? < 1309412329 402995 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: `Heck': command not found < 1309412332 817827 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay, okay, so time make -j3;0.180 seconds) < 1309412334 247956 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: XD < 1309412424 553691 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we decide to permit use of GNU parallel: < 1309412444 632379 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes, it doesn't work. For one thing, you cannot use CURSE to move damage from your cards to opponent's cards. < 1309412492 785152 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... 0.406 seconds. < 1309412499 741232 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I found an error in my text which I have now corrected. Opponent should have *two* of MR. MIME cards. < 1309412500 463638 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU parallel is slower than I'd like. < 1309412609 849080 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I mean from my opponent's hypno... oh < 1309412621 249917 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, the damage is on the dark muk < 1309412622 536025 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opponent has no HYPNO. < 1309412623 407736 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant the dark muk < 1309412632 288960 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, DARK MUK, that makes sense. < 1309412651 877233 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I have correct it and now opponent has two MR. MIME cards, so what you say won't work. < 1309412674 551882 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Please reload the file) < 1309412675 913783 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I would use gengar's power, use gust of wind, use itemfinder to get back goop, play goop, and then retreat and attack < 1309412700 959421 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Note that ITEMFINDER requires two other cards in your hand in order to do so. < 1309412794 435618 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: does it? < 1309412798 727767 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't say that it does < 1309412818 807575 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another typo, thanks I will correct it. < 1309412843 325839 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1309412950 153234 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I corrected that typo too, please reload the file. < 1309412983 695400 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha! < 1309413009 218239 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what the garbage run and bill are for < 1309413039 389884 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the cards that do not say "irrelevant" can still be irrelevant. < 1309413044 298856 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1309413068 464584 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I would go with: use my power to put the damage on porygon. gust of wind so that dark muk is active. retreat the gengar to the spearow; retreat the spearow to the hypno paying the two recycle energies, getting them in hand < 1309413088 2918 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itemfinder discarding them to get back the goop gas attack, use it, attack dealing 6 damage to dark muk and 1 to porygon, giving two kos < 1309413100 948408 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes, good! That is correct. < 1309413163 273107 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, sadly, am not very good at puzzle composition < 1309413172 883611 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :much less with Pokemon cards, which I haven't played with in a long time < 1309413199 307190 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also when you say old-style rules, what has changed? < 1309413215 23113 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I don't know what has changed actually, sorry. < 1309413295 485363 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1309413313 382680 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was not under the impression that there were any major rules changes < 1309413416 1267 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, this puzzle is in one such case where opponent's cards can be helpful to you!! < 1309413451 516848 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's quite often the case < 1309413510 984960 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1309413626 263277 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in Magic < 1309413697 198640 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes, in Magic: the Gathering such things are more common. < 1309415318 60844 :VanillaIsotope!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.8.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309415489 20985 :VanillaIsotope!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.8.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm295/umar_sajjad/PSY/gifpsy.gif < 1309415564 758732 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :VanillaIsotope: What is that picture for? < 1309415577 501066 :VanillaIsotope!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.8.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to show you guys how i feel < 1309415586 34460 :VanillaIsotope!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.8.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1309415598 672731 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1309415607 43634 :VanillaIsotope!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.8.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, especially after every chakra is opened < 1309415612 106142 :VanillaIsotope!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.8.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats how I feel < 1309415625 750189 :VanillaIsotope!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.8.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially after doing the breath of fire < 1309415640 584634 :VanillaIsotope!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.8.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1309415684 121035 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonky < 1309415708 33746 :VanillaIsotope!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.8.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pranyama is good for you :D < 1309416053 773119 :VanillaIsotope!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.8.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://psychedelic-information-theory.com/ < 1309416147 901286 :VanillaIsotope!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.8.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://psychedelic-information-theory.com/toc.php < 1309417301 142746 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1309417357 773357 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, the miracles of Jesus really do reflect the time that the gospels were written in. < 1309417366 360366 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, curing blindness and leprosy? < 1309417374 407580 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, that may have been impressive back then. < 1309417413 431040 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But we can replace human vision, and leprosy is a probable target for extinction in the next, oh, 50 years. < 1309417455 77837 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all a bunch of things that a bunch of 0 CE Jews would've thought impressive. < 1309417479 356593 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of which a well-prepared time traveller could have pulled off. < 1309417507 166996 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they would call it impressive. Time traveller might be able to do it except that probably time travel cannot be done that way anyways. < 1309417509 671115 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus as a time traveler? < 1309417511 542322 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win. < 1309417530 569650 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not believe time travel can be done that way. < 1309417535 382715 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting Christianity? < 1309417536 292302 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not so much. < 1309417560 8775 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can even improve the amount of miracles doable if we allow for clever tricks to make it *appear* that the miracle happened, rather than actually doing it. < 1309417607 900497 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not going to be able to handle the "rose from the dead" thing without a suicidal double, though. < 1309417670 940200 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes you can figure out such kind of clever tricks, possibly, maybe. It might work. But I doubt the time travel idea will work. < 1309417725 800912 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I am not proposing this as something someone should/could do. < 1309417733 846378 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just as something to think about. < 1309417749 738820 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ones thoughts need not actually be possible. ;) < 1309417755 853770 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Ones/One's/ < 1309417757 486403 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, it is at least something to think about. < 1309417832 443468 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, "rise from the dead?" < 1309417846 803460 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the level of technology. < 1309417855 161357 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have, say, brain transfers? < 1309417866 336708 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, true. I was merely discussing present technology. < 1309417882 911616 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.... < 1309417885 599283 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we allow for future but plausible technology, then bam. < 1309417908 575943 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The gospels could then be interpreted as a time traveller playing god. < 1309417936 781612 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Jesus was a time traveler, wouldn't the Bible already exist in their time? < 1309417939 630592 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something. < 1309417943 819008 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah time travel. < 1309418123 352677 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt time travel can work that way. The laws of physics are not to be broken (it is OK to be bent slightly, though). The Old Testament probably already exist in their time, not the New Testament. But even if it is the case they wouldn't have necessarily brought it back in time with them! < 1309418171 801333 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :obligatory: wibbly wobbly < 1309418212 890440 :CakeProphet!~adam@h184-60-161-54.mdsnwi.tisp.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309418213 235894 :CakeProphet!~adam@h184-60-161-54.mdsnwi.tisp.static.tds.net QUIT :Changing host < 1309418213 386688 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1309418587 935286 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1309420038 240913 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :repo.or.cz seems some problem I cannot edit the project settings. < 1309420073 872463 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://aya.shii.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/chinabisyoujo10.jpg < 1309420079 903894 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The image is not doctored. < 1309420097 846068 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The person, obviously, is. < 1309420257 982173 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1309420272 250680 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is disturbing < 1309420309 464403 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it make you feel better to realise that it's a combination of heavy makeup, contacts, and bizarre camera angles on someone with slightly odd proportions? < 1309420329 536723 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1309420355 231427 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still disturbing < 1309420377 39440 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, it is in the uncanny valley. < 1309420396 817517 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do feel better than there is no plsatic surgery involved < 1309420434 782257 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my first reaction < 1309421138 802301 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to make the Redmine tracking system for TeXnicard, so that now you can post issue report, document, wiki, forum, etc. There are some things isn't very good but at least it can work. However I might have done some things wrong too. https://devlabs.linuxassist.net/projects/texnicard < 1309421226 26712 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I did it wrong I don't know < 1309421300 879005 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes I did when I saw the picture, must think it must be some combination of makeup, contacts, camera angle, odd proportions, etc < 1309421325 4767 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still fucking creepy. < 1309421388 896409 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Is that what you think? < 1309421586 960429 :jcp|other!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309421697 577389 :javawizard!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1309421723 690721 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1309421768 381276 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 thinks differently, not that it is a bad thing. It's actually quite interesting to watch zzo38 think. < 1309421798 86783 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's "uncanny valley" kind of creepiness. < 1309421825 97147 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing *inherent*, just the picture triggering my brain into going "WTF THATS NOT RIGHT". < 1309421863 172729 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 QUIT :Quit: The internet is full, go away. < 1309422093 907052 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309422224 659619 :VanillaIsotope!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.8.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do u guys like my jewfro < 1309422227 483410 :VanillaIsotope!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.8.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ak0.okccdn.com/php/load_okc_image.php/images/16/150x150/558x800/0x39/675x714/0/5208418447782484391.jpeg < 1309423479 370131 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it has not fallen that low yet. < 1309423530 83770 :foocraft_!~ewanas@78.100.217.94 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1309423574 361713 :foocraft_!~ewanas@78.100.217.94 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309424249 164172 :VanillaIsotope!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.8.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net QUIT :Quit: wrong button < 1309425490 382123 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a pokemon card puzzle involving the "IMAKUNI?" card. < 1309425514 88166 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :imakuni? < 1309425575 918571 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your active pokemon is now confused. Imakuni? wants you to play him as a basic pokemon but you can't. A strange creature not listed in the pokedex, he asks people "Who is cuter, Pikachu or me?" < 1309425632 822133 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1309425636 681161 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :link < 1309425662 227176 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1309425664 752301 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no link sorry < 1309425754 76025 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This card is only in Japan and in Pokemon Card Gameboy < 1309425813 836125 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Imakuni%3F_(CoroCoro_promo) < 1309425831 3461 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, as far as I know, the only trainer card in the game that Pokemon Card Gameboy lets you play even if it would have no effect (where discarding cards from your hand does not count as an "effect" but shuffling your deck does count) < 1309425988 668568 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1309426486 195700 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1309427239 67308 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1309427239 624250 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition to IMAKUNI? card, I would like to see RAINBOW ENERGY used in some pokemon card puzzle. < 1309427395 363863 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAINBOW ENERGY: Can be used as any kind of energy but causes 1 point of damage to the card it is attached to when you play this energy card to attach. < 1309427925 555848 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1309427990 464645 :mr45!WinNT@cpc2-hudd9-0-0-cust396.4-1.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1309428002 306843 :mr45!WinNT@cpc2-hudd9-0-0-cust396.4-1.cable.virginmedia.com PART :#esoteric < 1309428023 382181 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make some puzzle involving knock out all six of opponent's pokemons and five of your own, all on the same turn. Is it possible somehow? < 1309428150 997127 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make one where the game lasts multiple turns (maybe you have seen the opponent's cards already somehow) < 1309428318 863830 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1309428515 276388 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309433734 654639 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aiee, grub has a different device map when booting and when running grub-install < 1309433735 440901 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1309434577 186965 :CakeProphet!~adam@h111.62.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309434577 666923 :CakeProphet!~adam@h111.62.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1309434577 818749 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1309434997 523585 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hell /dev/md1 got renamed to /dev/md126 somehow < 1309435001 379039 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell,* < 1309435854 976036 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I convert hex to byte value in Haskell? < 1309436180 43732 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read "0xff" :: Int < 1309436180 833575 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 255 < 1309436209 562321 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.. :) < 1309436438 30280 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> readHex "ff" < 1309436438 805998 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(255,"")] < 1309438144 285242 :derrik!~xix@194.150.65.94 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309438170 103849 :derrik!~xix@194.150.65.94 PART :#esoteric < 1309438709 920127 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1309438785 607356 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309439028 883222 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be cool if we used hex instead of decimal. < 1309439054 535891 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 16 ** 3 < 1309439055 306359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4096.0 < 1309439072 556196 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (16 **) [1..] < 1309439073 326941 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [16.0,256.0,4096.0,65536.0,1048576.0,1.6777216e7,2.68435456e8,4.294967296e9... < 1309439080 951475 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (16 ^) [1..] < 1309439081 813228 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [16,256,4096,65536,1048576,16777216,268435456,4294967296,68719476736,109951... < 1309439098 38709 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could rarely need more than 5 digits to really talk about most things. < 1309439276 471439 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with scientific communication if you employ scientific notation. Though I guess the same could be said about decimal, since then the only thing that matters is your precision. < 1309439287 39263 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (*16) 1 < 1309439287 834690 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,16,256,4096,65536,1048576,16777216,268435456,4294967296,68719476736,1099... < 1309439413 773270 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really very different in elegance. I guess it's more efficient. < 1309439567 808535 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aye, but I think it's less more efficient than I first thought < 1309439618 427559 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think both do a number of multiplications that's linear in the length of the list < 1309439925 467082 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1309439955 286136 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl fibs = 0:1:zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs) < 1309439955 741023 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fibs = fix ((0 :) . (1 :) . ap (zipWith (+)) tail) < 1309439969 802234 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how... beautiful? < 1309440017 63383 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that actually is a nice definition. < 1309440067 333958 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay, now I see how ap makes sense... < 1309440069 224827 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ap < 1309440069 984003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a b. (Monad m) => m (a -> b) -> m a -> m b < 1309440082 796605 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for functions, anyways. < 1309440084 655804 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix ((0:) . scanl (+) 1) < 1309440086 167287 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946... < 1309440157 148279 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (n:) . ap (zipWith f) tail < 1309440157 398166 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(n :) . ap (zipWith f) tail < 1309440166 660881 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl scanl f n = (n:) . ap (zipWith f) tail < 1309440166 886492 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :scanl = flip ((.) . (:)) . (`ap` tail) . zipWith < 1309440179 999772 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...right? < 1309440258 316623 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \n xs -> scanl (+) n xs == ((n:) . ap (zipWith (+)) tail) xs < 1309440258 925516 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Falsifiable, after 1 tests:\n-3\n[3,0,-3]\n" < 1309440298 743547 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. I just took what you replaced with scanl (+) 1 < 1309440304 338165 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and assumed they were equivalent. < 1309440316 587851 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not :-) < 1309440448 487070 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \xs -> scanl (+) 1 xs == ((1:) . ap (zipWith (+)) tail) xs < 1309440449 122943 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Falsifiable, after 1 tests:\n[-1,-2]\n" < 1309440612 528976 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = -1 : 1 : zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs) in take 10 fibs < 1309440613 293791 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [-1,1,0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13] < 1309440622 706333 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went one step back. :) < 1309440660 578724 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take 10 $ fix ((-1:) . scanl (+) 1) < 1309440662 74067 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [-1,1,0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13] < 1309440705 810733 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really you could do that with any n and -n pair so... it's not really unique or anything. < 1309440746 451489 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know if you could coherently go "backwards" from 0 in the fibonacci sequence. < 1309440760 732896 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :-s < 1309440788 839911 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take 10 $ fix ((-1:) . scanl (+) 0) < 1309440790 335245 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [-1,0,-1,-1,-2,-3,-5,-8,-13,-21] < 1309440805 864302 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take 10 $ fix ((0:) . scanl (+) (-1)) < 1309440807 295068 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,-1,-1,-2,-3,-5,-8,-13,-21,-34] < 1309440816 472787 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = 2 : -1 : zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs) in take 10 fibs < 1309440817 270530 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,-1,1,0,1,1,2,3,5,8] < 1309440832 407963 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = -3 : 2 : zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs) in take 10 fibs < 1309440833 160980 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [-3,2,-1,1,0,1,1,2,3,5] < 1309440876 530256 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you you can just alternate sign as you count up in absolute value. < 1309440905 708737 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1309440926 359927 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = 5 : -3 : zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs) in take 10 fibs < 1309440927 122097 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [5,-3,2,-1,1,0,1,1,2,3] < 1309440978 824574 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = -8 : 5 : zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs) in fibs < 1309440979 649560 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [-8,5,-3,2,-1,1,0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,... < 1309441034 697328 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's actually just the original fibonacci sequence but in reverse and with alternating signs. < 1309441074 634535 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :-gasp- amazing. < 1309441210 198030 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = 55 : -34 : zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs) in fibs < 1309441210 977135 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [55,-34,21,-13,8,-5,3,-2,1,-1,0,-1,-1,-2,-3,-5,-8,-13,-21,-34,-55,-89,-144,... < 1309441226 58399 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = -55 : 34 : zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs) in fibs < 1309441226 864360 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [-55,34,-21,13,-8,5,-3,2,-1,1,0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,... < 1309441315 440586 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternating the sign correctly is important. Otherwise you'll end up with the negative Fibonacci sequence. He's a real curmudgeon. < 1309441493 202268 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = -55 : 34 : zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs) in foldl1 (+) $ take 21 fibs < 1309441493 972113 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 110 < 1309441601 280826 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sum of the odd elements.. < 1309441612 744067 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the first 11 numbers. < 1309441623 953486 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, 10 < 1309441645 915821 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = -55 : 34 : zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs) in foldl1 (+) $ take 20 fibs < 1309441646 671857 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 55 < 1309441686 515772 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1309441753 709877 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = 89 -55 : zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs) in foldl1 (+) $ take 23 fibs < 1309441757 532710 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1309441780 757836 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = 89 : -55 : zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs) in foldl1 (+) $ take 23 fibs < 1309441781 512559 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 288 < 1309441788 506177 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = 89 : -55 : zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs) in foldl1 (+) $ take 22 fibs < 1309441789 262795 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 199 < 1309441797 635882 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, just a coincidence... < 1309441890 965021 :Gregorrrrr!805d87f7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.93.135.247 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309441994 859081 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :iterate (putChar 'y' >>) $ return () < 1309442036 705142 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you know, just forever (putChar 'y') or something < 1309442093 1350 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or fix (putChar 'y' >>) I believe would work. < 1309442225 211135 :Gregorrrrr!805d87f7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.93.135.247 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blap < 1309442269 33378 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many ways to affirm. < 1309443541 588169 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1309443561 963619 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309443692 357304 :jcp|other!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1309443906 456191 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.45.135.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309443906 874372 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.45.135.12 QUIT :Changing host < 1309443907 23063 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1309443937 475583 :javawizard!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309447139 901895 :Gregorrrrr!805d87f7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.93.135.247 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1309447292 395834 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1309448386 265936 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1309448456 242738 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the reason my repo.or.cz password stopped working is someone reset it. < 1309448765 561567 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I reset it by myself too and now it works. < 1309449864 705712 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1309450551 460537 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I put enough issue categories in here? https://devlabs.linuxassist.net/projects/texnicard/issues/report < 1309450583 453818 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any one I forgot? < 1309451752 423674 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309451759 430709 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ic80s/whats_an_extremely_controversial_opinion_you_hold/c22p825?context=3 < 1309451769 453015 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pictured: perspective. < 1309451779 88344 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-9-121.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309451802 135004 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the pistons in mc 1.7 are cool btw < 1309451809 991708 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case you didn't notice, it is out < 1309452259 644312 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, so yeah, pistons are cool, but I can't really think of an original use offhand. < 1309452295 18385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy crap Painterly is updated already. < 1309452764 63863 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And MC.net is down. As ever. < 1309453035 691365 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, Vorpal, can I have your bin directory? < 1309453686 650676 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I haven't updated yet, I'm running thermal stress test on my new computer < 1309453692 432851 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want 1.6 I can give it however < 1309453730 271700 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wow, this GPU fan is quiet < 1309454564 753552 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309455648 524015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309455734 765666 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1309457361 92542 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309458933 289346 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1309459662 628780 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309459736 892263 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1309460126 737784 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1309460165 594849 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.45.135.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309460166 78727 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.45.135.12 QUIT :Changing host < 1309460166 227853 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1309462178 732280 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1309462223 70048 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan! < 1309462270 467116 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evening < 1309462404 70186 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, actually. < 1309462430 742729 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :evening < 1309462822 101075 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think both do a number of multiplications that's linear in the length of the list < 1309462845 663001 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely the map (16^) and map (16**) duplicate work more... < 1309462881 492741 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :** does, but ^ is specialized for integers so it should be able to do a logarithmic number of multiplications < 1309462893 800580 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still more work but I think it's asymptotically the same < 1309462900 601885 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just integers, Integrals < 1309462910 426532 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe < 1309462914 638108 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is to say, integers :-P < 1309462931 482348 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and non-negative ones at that < 1309462991 226870 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well O(n log n) i guess, which is still somewhat more than O(n). < 1309462997 719087 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1309463007 102909 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1309463018 198088 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :log 1 + log 2 + ... + log n < 1309463031 189073 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that's log (n!) < 1309463095 234693 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you this is still ignoring the exact complexity of each multiplication < 1309463103 829589 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :True that < 1309463242 259151 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stirling's approximation: ln n! = n ln n - n + O(ln(n)) < 1309463254 947067 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so O(log (n!)) = O(n log n) < 1309464347 27834 :evening!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick, someone tell me if Clojure is A Bad Thing. < 1309464366 490816 :evening!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logreading elliott: YES I KNOW SHUT UP OK < 1309464425 516608 :evening!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1309465125 950925 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :jew jould alwaje look for clojure in evjything < 1309465146 787315 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309465225 149395 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :c'est boily! < 1309465903 119664 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oui, c'est moi. < 1309466145 947770 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily! < 1309466163 280696 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how lovely to meet you! < 1309466169 413938 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shakes hand
< 1309466300 582339 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shakes back
< 1309466361 603004 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, but I'm going to disappear for the weekend for a long paint-job. < 1309466368 251634 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back by monday, I guess! < 1309466373 688693 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5 < 1309466678 327289 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-216-199.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309466874 343900 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-221.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1309468248 293867 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-178.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309468374 71340 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-216-199.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1309468947 954647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1309468986 228400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that google+ thing came out < 1309468986 440171 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1309469225 88480 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i should check if my invite is valid yet < 1309469348 423960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares < 1309469417 112413 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know if it's possible to make it so i don't get emailed about replies to my comments on a particular youtube video? < 1309469435 177523 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :people keep replying even though i posted it a month ago and haven't said a thing since < 1309469446 104377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :reply saying everyone is a faggot < 1309469455 543568 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literally everyone. < 1309469458 696989 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every last human being. < 1309469462 134403 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Human race: Doomed. < 1309469504 285658 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: nah there's still artificial insemination < 1309469508 491314 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1309469545 571024 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, not enough, I'm afraid. < 1309469553 768733 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The slightest spark and we're all alight. < 1309469559 988576 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1309469567 869821 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that could be awkward < 1309469583 991305 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i just invented human parthenogenesis. we can be gay and still live on! < 1309469616 742933 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for very sparsely populated countries, maybe < 1309469631 195754 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :india would go down in flames < 1309469672 834788 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :norway will greatly regret our insistence on building houses out of wood < 1309469675 564520 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : people keep replying even though i posted it a month ago and haven't said a thing since < 1309469679 259080 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What'd you post? < 1309469729 978208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: go make gmail think that you send your messages < 1309469734 580622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe by removing the .s :P < 1309469753 523269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Wait did you just invent us catching fire rapidly for no reason or is there a link I'm missing. < 1309469773 857059 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no you did. pay attention. < 1309469774 5704 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, faggot as in bundle of wood. < 1309469782 918274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1309469801 538291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked it better when it was just "gays are really flammable for no reason at all". < 1309469836 795628 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the term is "flamboyant" < 1309469869 560245 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1309469892 560948 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur ran away before we remembered asking him to confirm < 1309470135 9302 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i figured out the problem < 1309470145 348863 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow people upvoted my comment to second place < 1309470149 208398 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-9-121.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1309470160 74369 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it never dies! < 1309470284 223984 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which video? < 1309470298 956957 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION boggles again at the sheer stupidity that is MathML.
< 1309470431 282389 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, eeeeewww, you subscribed to Vihart. < 1309470582 179284 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1309470587 127337 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :she's pretty cute < 1309470602 847984 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have some interest in techniques of math education < 1309470669 740891 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, protip: good techniques don't think tau is an important thing. < 1309470714 726304 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a matter of hotly contested opinion < 1309470727 170313 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i distrust your expertise in the matter < 1309470739 534982 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, i was into vihart long before tau got popular) < 1309470750 325942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hotly contested opinion lol < 1309470757 889319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe among people who don't actually do any mathematics < 1309470814 988329 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :among math educators. people who actually do mathematics couldn't give a rat's ass < 1309470870 178724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok show me someone who actually teaches mathematics who gives a rat's ass, also, someone who's level of education actually involves teaching people pi < 1309470878 938032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to like a preschool teacher < 1309470889 97495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :addendum: competent < 1309470902 914127 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, protip 2: if you're teaching maths properly, i.e. to people who would benefit from it, tau vs. pi is irrelevant. < 1309470943 99311 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"peole who would benefit from it" is everyone < 1309470973 816118 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I'm not so deluded as to think everyone's time is worth learning calculus. < 1309471001 258925 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1309471010 328347 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, it's good to build up your reasoning skills; but tau vs. pi is irrelevant to that. < 1309471016 846076 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :calculus is not even a field of math < 1309471027 102709 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, ...what. < 1309471029 102708 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a set of tools required by ... engineers mostly < 1309471029 913360 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please. Shut up. < 1309471034 11278 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut up this very minute. < 1309471038 995649 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut. Up. Now. < 1309471048 894618 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is nothing you can say now that will salvage this. < 1309471061 507741 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are fields of math that require calculus, but calculus would not be called calculus if it weren't meant to be just that: a set of tools < 1309471067 235236 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are now firmly marked down as An Idiot in my mind. < 1309471073 164546 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told you to shut up. < 1309471078 129939 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're just digging yourself deeper. < 1309471093 552525 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're pretty annoying, you know that? < 1309471106 363335 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: if you exclude calculus from math, then you have also excluded every level of "math" at which tau vs. pi could conceivably matter. < 1309471134 866902 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I don't suffer fools gladly, if that's what you mean. < 1309471144 362981 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it doesn't really matter to me. < 1309471175 628657 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think tau is slightly more elegant in the grand scheme of things, but i have no data as to its pedagogical value < 1309471182 266447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : calculus is not even a field of math < 1309471182 627352 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you hadn't just said calculus isn't a field of maths, I wouldn't be doing this. < 1309471186 615639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's a set of tools required by ... engineers mostly < 1309471188 237882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is oerjan still here < 1309471193 858087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he available for laughing purposes < 1309471196 962339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant do it all by myself < 1309471210 49147 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION throws a pie in elliott's face
< 1309471212 394432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : there are fields of math that require calculus, but calculus would not be called calculus if it weren't meant to be just that: a set of tools < 1309471223 44845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurr calculus is a bunch of integration rules not a set of formal definitions hurrrrr < 1309471239 38996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurr it's actually really hard to act this stupid i'm going to have to stop < 1309471250 704426 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very, very hard to laugh at thiss. < 1309471252 818449 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*this < 1309471258 605908 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we're pretty much at the poin that there is no way to make myself understood. there is no reason for me to try. < 1309471301 505304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, but what's your reply to that < 1309471303 278800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1309471305 736121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i have an imagination < 1309471430 979462 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, if you must have it to prove me wrong...what is the latest groundbreaking theorem in the field of calculus? < 1309471450 774968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so something has to be a full field to be mathematics? < 1309471456 773687 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot even *believe* you just said that. < 1309471462 775273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so if a certain branch of mathematics ends up being mostly solved somehow, it is no longer part of mathematics? < 1309471463 465818 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is geometry not a field of mathematics? < 1309471464 836194 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not entirely unreasonable to consider calculus to be the mindless part of the field of math otherwise called analysis < 1309471478 900757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course calculus is analysis? :P < 1309471522 408581 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, sure, but it was certainly cutting-edge mathematics when it was developed, and it's still mathematics regardless of the fact that it's been superseded by more developed fields. < 1309471529 67014 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the same with geometry. < 1309471551 645721 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan's point is my point exactly < 1309471553 321157 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing new comes out of it because it advanced to the point that the new stuff got different names. < 1309471570 555616 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :newton called it "the calculus" < 1309471635 90799 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, OK, run by me why, exactly, calculus is not a field of mathematics. < 1309471635 454282 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the dictionary: "a method of calculation" < 1309471667 382204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newton: literally God. < 1309471671 159499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dictionary: literally God. < 1309471678 659035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newton + dictionary: you have now won the argument. < 1309471682 139243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bow before thee. < 1309471690 74996 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I really don't see how you can't view it as mathematics. < 1309471694 7663 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What else can it *be*? < 1309471697 974833 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is mathematics < 1309471709 354509 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :addition and subtraction is mathematics too < 1309471720 677635 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1309471721 968430 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't he add some "of ..." to the phrase for distinction? the latin word "calculus" would include plain arithmetic... < 1309471739 684866 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "calculus of integration" etc. yes. < 1309471742 206655 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the Latin word calculus just means 'pebble', doesn't it? < 1309471755 655714 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true < 1309471767 834313 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, wait, you're basing this on pedantry of the very hazily-defined word 'field'? < 1309471793 981793 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which seems to mean, in your mind, an area of mathematics in which active research is being pursued? < 1309471800 382233 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course. i consider a field to be a branch of the science/art where research takes place. < 1309471808 963446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said that "calculus wasn't mathematics" < 1309471813 128164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must defend this statement, not any other < 1309471815 366515 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :things you can get a doctoral degree in < 1309471824 203945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so addition is not mathematics? < 1309471825 547542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just a tool < 1309471828 722553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't get a doctorate in addition < 1309471852 849532 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a tool of mathematics, but boasts nothing of the art < 1309471863 108624 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, ...what? < 1309471864 603869 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: now division on the other hand... < 1309471877 428812 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calculus boasts the art of mathematics in *spades*. < 1309471886 639602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is stupid and you're stupid < 1309471915 210489 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its history alone is a perfect illustration of the reasons for rigour. < 1309471938 534969 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not a field. this is what i said, and this is what i mean. it is useful in a couple of fields, but it is not (although it might once have been) a field unto itself < 1309471945 340852 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid est et stupidi estis < 1309471953 393545 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stupidum < 1309472011 380792 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1309472106 484170 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PART :#esoteric < 1309472214 763780 :Lymee!~moe@123.120.129.100 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309472215 190464 :Lymee!~moe@123.120.129.100 QUIT :Changing host < 1309472215 339240 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1309472416 308424 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: stultum est et stulti estis? < 1309472526 149500 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're both latin words... < 1309472627 769076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a stult. < 1309472990 149046 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1309473039 903090 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1309473054 637265 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1309473145 804634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1309473295 289507 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got 16 girls in my apartament and they can drink more than me < 1309473316 852433 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :my gf invited them < 1309473346 278 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :really. 16 people can drink more than one? < 1309473350 389960 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should i do < 1309473356 696464 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1309473365 808868 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :every single one can < 1309473379 475560 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you best hide the alcohol < 1309473428 859941 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they're secretly refilling your drink while you're not watching < 1309473456 504000 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :being 16, should not be hard < 1309473690 347758 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :we drink shots man < 1309473697 352393 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is Poland < 1309473698 56061 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1309473759 974885 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they're secretly watering out their _own_ shots < 1309473953 533720 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :beh < 1309474031 65630 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, cut a hole in your chin. < 1309474095 571451 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the classical reverse trolling < 1309474183 441522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: turn into an architecte < 1309474184 745850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: turn into an architect < 1309474254 504733 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god SMBC Theatre is going to make a space opera. < 1309474383 486627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will it be a space rock opera. < 1309474483 100443 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it, which is sad. < 1309474486 470577 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1309474488 433897 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1309474701 402771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do HTTPS query strings work? < 1309474706 636461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1309474711 762940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, the path is sent encrypted, right? < 1309474715 674590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So HTTPS query strings aren't sent in plaintext. < 1309476472 880603 :fizzie!~fis@iris.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1309476668 310119 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I've found a usage where redo fucking makes sense. < 1309476669 367167 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1309476680 592647 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :atom heart mother < 1309476771 473108 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :1364 seconds of joy < 1309477017 417638 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Distroing. < 1309477036 593830 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes sense because all you really want in your build setup is a shell script that happens to handle dependencies. < 1309477042 116246 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And redo offers just that. < 1309477071 260241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does tup < 1309477077 425599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also everything that can run a shell script < 1309477095 275792 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: tup fails pretty horribly at this, actually. < 1309477128 88136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1309477157 201604 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't much like things like "directories". < 1309477174 298527 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't have a Tupfile build a file in a seperate directory from what it's in. < 1309477207 596857 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor can you easily have a Tupfile untar, cd, ./configure&&make&&make install. < 1309477310 692591 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And make handles the case pretty poorly, because in order to do even slightly more complex package builds, I pretty much need to have it call into a seperate shell script. < 1309477328 256704 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And having dependency info seperate from the actual rules to make it is a pain. < 1309477623 35265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1309477782 76114 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1309477782 557769 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Changing host < 1309477782 706296 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1309478104 729022 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nough, made by fairies