< 1309565361 229358 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slurkle. < 1309565363 643263 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, gaaah undefined behavior. < 1309565370 969387 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so who remembers when we tore into http://xkcd.com/881/ a while ago? < 1309565928 897340 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1309565953 37131 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, it was just oko and cpressey. Oh well. < 1309565953 322290 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1309565953 633542 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Changing host < 1309565953 782155 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1309565992 345572 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix("ok"++) < 1309565993 830902 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokok... < 1309566218 220642 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ack, reading that log is slightly painful now. A conscience is a terrible burden to bear. < 1309566531 471801 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL CANCER IS PAINFUL YOU INSENSITIVE CLOD < 1309566545 651840 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles innocently < 1309566581 930909 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, Munroe's girlfriend was diagnosed with breast cancer some time before that comic was made, a fact which he has just disclosed. < 1309566596 904934 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well duh. < 1309566603 616810 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'duh'? < 1309566608 421293 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh. < 1309566616 74531 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you _think_ i was referring to... < 1309566617 46245 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, I'm behind the times. < 1309566641 735541 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The internet: where a day ago is behind the times.) < 1309566703 999184 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I move in the wrong subreddits. Ah, well. < 1309566713 748439 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION actually visits the xkcd blag infrequently, and just accidentally happened to read it this morning. < 1309566791 291605 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only happened across it by chance when I checked the comment history of that guy who made the test post that's currently the most-upvoted Reddit submission. < 1309567619 87600 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you figure out my game of pokemon cards? < 1309567733 416573 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attempts to unwind the Epic Thread. < 1309567799 853916 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh holy christ this is impossible. < 1309567812 37750 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie! I need your superpowers! < 1309567830 681078 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Epic Thread? < 1309567875 733659 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes. < 1309567903 569877 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, it's a huge thread of replies that blossomed off some post. < 1309567908 505752 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has its own subreddit. < 1309567932 704758 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The first puzzle is the same as it was before; I added something to the HYPNO card that was supposed to be there but I omitted; it does not affect the puzzle) < 1309567946 852018 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been traversing a single branch for quite a while now. < 1309567948 700947 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Correct, you can only play one energy card per turn. (Regardless of the kind) < 1309568043 750152 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's lasted over two years. < 1309568056 974413 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1309568064 10865 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the test post? < 1309568069 319240 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1309568076 648841 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/6nz1k/got_six_weeks_try_the_hundred_push_ups_training/ < 1309568096 739593 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only has 6000 or so comments, but I suspect they're almost all concentrated into the Epic Thread. < 1309568276 319589 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFS, it must have been half an hour by now, and I haven't even branched. < 1309568321 40574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank christ, I'm onto stuff from only a week ago. < 1309568345 949391 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/6nz1k/got_six_weeks_try_the_hundred_push_ups_training/c234inn is the current bottom. < 1309568411 274248 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes. Very good. < 1309568434 518381 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh? Did I accidentally ignore coppro? < 1309568447 758768 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I have been pming zzo38 and he's been responding publicly < 1309568450 9135 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like you to try to make a puzzle too < 1309568454 432091 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pmed so as not to give the solution away < 1309568481 392393 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: OK, do not give solution away is OK. However I like to post public so that other people can try it too < 1309568505 151717 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, of course :) < 1309568538 593391 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are not only for you; even though it seems you are the only one who can answer it < 1309568545 990702 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let someone else try please < 1309568549 995145 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the only one who's bothered, more like < 1309568574 961015 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, anyone else is free to try. Since I haven't given away the solution to the second one, the puzzle remains fun for everyone else. < 1309568582 471977 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one, regrettably, is in the logs < 1309568617 41714 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes it is. It doesn't matter; whoever hasn't read it can try it please < 1309568713 726286 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a game it costs 1 point to play and you toss a coin until tails. Depending on number of heads: 0 -> 0, 1 -> 0, 2 -> 0, 3 -> 20, 4 -> 40, don't know the rest, 10 or more -> 0. < 1309568855 281611 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try to make some puzzle with IMAKUNI? card (where you have to maximize your chance of winning) < 1309568868 496985 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1309568924 441308 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you try to make any puzzle at all? < 1309568940 637488 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am busy right now, unfortunately < 1309568953 497724 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, then maybe someone else < 1309569040 787861 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum $ zipWith (*) (iterate(/2)(1/2)) [0,0,0,20,40,80,160,320,640,1280] < 1309569041 559547 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8.75 < 1309569060 472586 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many people in here understand pokemon card? < 1309569078 710696 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 does, but he's not here < 1309569422 734725 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1309569424 294403 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1309569458 305642 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 last seen 17 hours ago (approx). < 1309569475 691698 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309569501 238719 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe someone has posted something about Pokemon in esolang wiki once but I don't know if it means they would necessarily know how to play pokemon card < 1309569554 647690 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to play with yet another 3d world < 1309570326 761928 :foocraft!~ewanas@178.152.87.54 NICK :_ < 1309570356 641373 :_!~ewanas@178.152.87.54 NICK :Guest99701 < 1309570386 580396 :Guest99701!~ewanas@178.152.87.54 NICK :foocraft < 1309570519 822315 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh! why was I highlighted? I wasn't even here :/ < 1309570567 581387 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the one who highlighted me was elliott and he's not even here < 1309570665 190993 :wth!~tianhou@222.242.196.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309570691 738955 :wth!~tianhou@222.242.196.230 NICK :Guest55283 < 1309570926 417844 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1309571069 569507 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1309571107 394601 :Guest55283!~tianhou@222.242.196.230 PART #esoteric :"Leaving." < 1309571911 775977 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vittu. < 1309571914 396587 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Inen. < 1309571919 604232 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vittuinen. < 1309571923 866157 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suomasta. < 1309571940 56578 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :voi vittu < 1309571968 571318 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perkelin sota limsa. < 1309571978 708982 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laskea irti. < 1309572001 36646 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :saattana perkele, ei saa peittää parasta ennen voi vittu < 1309572030 650475 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sotala satana peittää. < 1309572047 290097 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ei futi. < 1309572092 202803 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you guys finnished? < 1309572113 519899 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Quite. < 1309572120 76060 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suomi ei laskea irti ketti. < 1309572132 691721 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :En ih. < 1309572152 658217 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurtti irtti ketti < 1309572165 316755 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kiitti. < 1309572180 191732 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kiittii < 1309572182 965426 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hur ir ke. Hurirke. < 1309572183 699799 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess not < 1309572196 449262 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :En ih. < 1309572206 473736 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: finnished, yes, finished, no. it's just gibberish afaik < 1309572227 705556 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irkkipöistimödi. < 1309572242 318662 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peittää... midä. < 1309572247 726136 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pöistimöidi < 1309572262 69972 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oletko? < 1309572305 421738 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etusivu. < 1309572307 970648 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ölut! < 1309572313 14902 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mutinan sota oli vuonna 43 eaa. < 1309572337 698631 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should probably try to involve at least one of the finns < 1309572349 101868 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. fizzie or oklopol < 1309572370 302149 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anna minulle kylmä olut! < 1309572396 720566 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pitää pää kylmänä. < 1309572412 833305 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kuuma. Anna minulle kuuma olut! < 1309572421 438559 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ei saa peittaa! < 1309572433 665085 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saa saa saa. < 1309572439 181663 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saada. < 1309572470 694089 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, *peittää! < 1309572471 205875 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saadada. Dadadada. < 1309572471 509670 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :miltä meno maistuu < 1309572516 714648 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perkele kuuma vittu oerjan:sta. < 1309572552 241601 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if tswett actually knows finnish or if he's using google translate or something < 1309572559 507419 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Se maistuu hyvältä. < 1309572572 171118 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyvvä < 1309572599 828160 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Käytän Wikisanakirja ja oma pieni tuntemus Suomen kieli, paitsi tämä lause, joka tuotti Google Translate. < 1309572612 685068 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pieni. < 1309572614 58804 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure tswett was trying to learn finnish earlier... < 1309572627 625523 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pieni ikuisesti. < 1309572679 686033 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moin moin. < 1309572706 141108 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett : human languages :: Sgeo : programming languages? < 1309572707 996931 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish would be cool to know, but not so sure about learning < 1309572710 46189 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jagrastin. < 1309572726 562911 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I don't spend *that* much time learning human languages... < 1309572761 707708 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :English, Spanish, and French are the only languages I can read at all. < 1309572839 257066 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lojban too, I guess. < 1309572845 116534 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :at one point I might have to learn to read computer-swedish < 1309572864 503987 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :without having to reverse-translate it from (to) english < 1309572894 342717 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer swedish? < 1309572894 529010 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's computer-Swedish? < 1309572895 766787 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hopefully never < 1309572924 911827 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the mangled incomprehensible form of swedish produced by people translating software < 1309572980 827260 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :People-translating software? TIL. < 1309573002 715485 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1309573004 744867 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who are translating software then? < 1309573022 350817 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1309573077 906139 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably want to create a swenglish locale where all technical terms are kept in english < 1309573136 885862 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Du måste reboota din computer. < 1309573165 119141 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must-a reboot-a da computer? < 1309573195 732677 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Din browser behöver restartas < 1309573220 843971 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Da browser behoove-er restarts. < 1309573229 604718 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Downloada filen? < 1309573240 192707 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Download a filin'? < 1309573262 819914 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your browser needs to erect RTAS" thanks google translate < 1309573287 223915 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :download a filling? < 1309573310 648270 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: du måste reboota datorn, din brower behöver startas om, ladda ner filen (jämfört med t.ex. "Läs in filen") < 1309573321 59104 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :eller "Läs in igen" < 1309573338 33865 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Da browser behoover starts. Om. < 1309573366 946353 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: close enough :) < 1309573381 604158 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i am not sure whether your improvements are still considered too swenglish or not :P < 1309573383 335388 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION meditates. < 1309573385 481845 :wth!~tianhou@222.242.196.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309573405 750772 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bork bork bork da browser beborker starts. Bork. < 1309573406 335637 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i guess the parentheses give a hint < 1309573411 664199 :wth!~tianhou@222.242.196.230 NICK :Guest63077 < 1309573426 992831 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they are swenglish, but not swedish enough to be incomprehensible :) < 1309573468 754625 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh so making more words swedish would be worse? < 1309573516 944321 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, inventing new swedish terms where 40 years of computing have used swenglish or english doesn't make anything more comprehensible < 1309573561 696783 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1309573589 299573 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not to me, because swedish is not a language I know any computer-related terms in < 1309573643 298185 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Swedish - Deprecated. Use English." < 1309573644 100574 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1309573986 549177 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1309573988 787243 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone told me their computer keeps overheating because it is black. Do you think it would help if it was white? < 1309574009 786810 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Black computers lose heat better than white computers. < 1309574014 114718 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1309574039 918358 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it wouldn't help, I guess. < 1309574066 392738 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they are standing in the sun < 1309574066 991066 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggested using liquid cooling system but they don't know how to find that or install it or anything like that (I also don't know). < 1309574092 679811 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION parks his laptop. < 1309574194 475752 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1309574235 45552 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been outside since yesterday < 1309574239 584431 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting shaky < 1309574240 473315 :Guest63077!~tianhou@222.242.196.230 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1309574318 354812 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/Y75WrP9D < 1309574321 208967 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1309574371 474737 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1309574842 197000 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309574899 481885 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1309575249 603693 :jcp|other!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309575283 812432 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1309575370 444980 :javawizard!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1309575524 940473 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309576015 369483 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are ya, Lymee? < 1309576024 829317 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hugs! < 1309576025 245049 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1309576027 631899 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs quintopia <3 < 1309576058 731199 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs Lymee < 1309576066 112094 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that program do? < 1309576099 609919 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somethings. < 1309576246 532583 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1309576282 491179 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1309576411 527559 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1309576422 928545 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am too lazy to compile and run it < 1309576556 184517 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309576602 658588 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1309576677 25408 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309576843 513193 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1309577891 721638 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309577898 905106 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone recommend me the best bnc < 1309578058 514380 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1309578455 458316 :foocraft!~ewanas@178.152.87.54 QUIT :Quit: So long, and thanks for all the fish! < 1309578607 881604 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-177.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309578759 818713 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-144.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1309578788 211477 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have all the fish < 1309579314 873853 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please read this and tell me of your opinion/question. gopher://zzo38computer.cjb.net:70/0phlog*c_prog.permission-script < 1309579543 561977 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my opinion: gopher is dead. < 1309579593 957427 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-177.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: Not while zzo38 still has life. < 1309579618 753996 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-177.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, TBH, I can't say I blame him. Gopher is better designed than HTTP. < 1309579697 679531 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-177.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially in terms of the "No, fuck you, you are not a graphic designer you just suck and your eyes have probably been removed" factor. < 1309580053 943206 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, the list of things better designed than http could fill an internet < 1309580061 615932 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-177.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, true. < 1309580083 11018 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-177.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though few things are both better-designed and intended for hypertext. < 1309580092 684405 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-177.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to few things being intended for hypertext. :P < 1309580143 83456 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-146-193.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309582488 532292 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I was asking opinion of what the article is discussing, not about the protocol used to serve it. < 1309582559 522998 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The underlying message here was "the work required to access that page in 2011 is greater than what we're willing to do to simply read something and give opinions" < 1309582593 311350 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It is available over HTTP as well, although I have disabled sending comments using HTTP. < 1309582614 488896 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/phlog/phlog_http.php?m=1&q=_prog.permission-script < 1309582648 295354 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And anyways you can access it using netcat without too much difficulty is it not? < 1309582912 28299 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309582917 724046 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.streamvera.com/stream/15997 < 1309582964 70498 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi what < 1309583017 480238 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :listen to the webradio < 1309583026 614867 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my 2 songs are about to be played next < 1309583028 870483 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im pretty excited < 1309583125 626847 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my songs are called < 1309583128 66666 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walk Walk 3 < 1309583136 596995 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Maps remix - by donato < 1309583281 516659 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-177.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inquiry: why do we care? < 1309583301 866047 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because its cool music < 1309583305 336431 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im being played now < 1309583306 877883 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1309583307 480305 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.streamvera.com/stream/15997 < 1309583314 65858 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its club/house < 1309583319 645593 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if youre into that stuff < 1309583327 10925 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1309583590 594043 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use HTTP if it is necessary. < 1309585126 117896 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-177.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, it's pretty great reading an old Slashdot thread about Linus dropping Bitkeeper. < 1309585159 688281 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-177.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why doesn't Linus just design from scratch a SCM that he likes? Bet it'd take him like 6 months." So very prescient. < 1309585227 211482 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i wrong for liking dissociative hallucinogens? < 1309585241 686959 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-177.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not inherently. < 1309585257 682436 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just cant seem to stop doing them < 1309585263 232330 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether it be Ketamine < 1309585269 37116 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or dextromethorphan < 1309585278 514016 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they seem to fill a hole in my being < 1309585284 18785 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that nothing else can < 1309585289 276985 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-177.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see little *moral* issue with recreational chemical usage. < 1309585299 298315 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i just enjoy losing my ego < 1309585314 718757 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i practice eastern religion < 1309585315 429597 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-177.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the practical issues are, frankly, obvious. < 1309585330 338576 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and crowleyan magick < 1309585341 859729 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the dissociation really helps out with rituals < 1309585343 550172 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such < 1309585345 870167 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-177.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(certain ones having negative effects, certain ones having significant legal impediments, etc. etc. etc.) < 1309585365 669967 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-177.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I summon thee. < 1309585375 819518 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i require losing my train of thought < 1309585382 680447 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and entering a state of trance < 1309585397 178867 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially when charging sigils < 1309585414 73424 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-177.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of these days, we're going to get someone wandering in here thinking this is a channel for esotericism but also being interested in programming. < 1309585417 528384 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-177.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some day. < 1309585443 956268 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this isnt a channel for esotericism? < 1309585449 140984 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-177.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1309585455 46363 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels embarrased < 1309585455 686600 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1309585465 75894 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-177.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Channel for esoteric programming languages. < 1309585467 365163 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its hard to find places < 1309585481 850728 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well im sorry < 1309585484 495896 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1309585486 503093 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-177.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeaaah, if we knew where to refer you, we'd let you know. :P < 1309585487 862928 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-177.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No big. < 1309585511 58124 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i honestly thought this was a channel for esotericism < 1309585529 675038 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-177.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, every now and then we do get someone coming in thinking that. < 1309585536 31081 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-177.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda amusing, really. < 1309585539 402053 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1309585548 902383 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well its hard to find places < 1309585552 576839 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that are accepting of it < 1309585565 3419 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GET THE FUCK OUT HIPPY" < 1309585572 62717 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"YOURE SCHIZO" < 1309585583 612590 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"THERES NO SUCH THING AS THE DIVINE" < 1309585611 203261 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i require more drink < 1309585619 33869 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to dose this hallucinogen < 1309585624 424975 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 nice meeting you < 1309585630 389874 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and again i appologize < 1309585638 24611 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-177.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, no real issue. < 1309585721 95042 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-- dissociated emotional bi-sexual < 1309585721 454380 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1309585725 804739 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its okay < 1309585733 696115 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You summon me for what purpose? < 1309585745 862447 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-177.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Your zzo38ness. < 1309585753 597191 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-177.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I know not what else to describe it as. < 1309585799 837193 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I think I understand. However, how can I answer you if there is not a question? < 1309585816 651000 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-177.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas. < 1309587304 651377 :yiyus!1242712427@server1.bouncer4you.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1309587576 472925 :yiyus!~124271242@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1309588308 655065 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1309588691 173258 :CakeProphet!~adam@h246.41.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309588691 579551 :CakeProphet!~adam@h246.41.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1309588691 727961 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1309589920 507510 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1309590621 945816 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1309591252 382963 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1309593946 746499 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-146-193.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1309595148 190431 :derrik!~xix@228.224.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1309595160 34217 :derrik!~xix@228.224.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee PART :#esoteric < 1309595270 779314 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309595607 898408 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35890 < 1309595620 864434 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the best bug ever? < 1309595637 394815 :WillMac!notmyemail@dialup-4.231.133.21.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net PART :#esoteric < 1309595734 378413 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :funroll-loops.info < 1309595942 146008 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey, it's linked in the bug :D < 1309595949 484446 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1309595952 911088 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong tld < 1309595962 650539 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://funroll-loops.info/ is correct < 1309599209 160448 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-43.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309600267 875505 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1309602436 897201 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1309602932 801554 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-206-241.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1309603071 930753 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-250-223.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1309604858 426996 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309605132 333245 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1309605216 598241 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1309606376 159886 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1309606660 31247 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1309606747 20926 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309607082 668551 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1309609148 599212 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1309609547 52613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1309612157 636658 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309612518 331287 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1309613424 26163 :s1nn3r!s1nn3r@95.111.237.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309613602 290686 :s1nn3r!s1nn3r@95.111.237.42 QUIT :Quit: mIRC Power Pack 8.00 (www.mIRCPowerPack.com) by sod/sgt-d (sgt-d@sodpit.com) < 1309614319 329745 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1309617230 975791 :thezakman!~nintendo@201.19.133.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309617483 176779 :thezakman!~nintendo@201.19.133.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1309618985 598203 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1309620514 767178 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it zzo o'clock? < 1309620899 205407 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309620902 737574 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like ssz? < 1309622214 418356 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1309622522 242867 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1309622604 563511 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309623958 388400 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-177.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1309623967 990688 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-158-124.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309624019 355941 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What musical scale do these numbers represent? 16 18 20 21 24 27 30 32 < 1309624053 22112 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1309624119 800165 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1309624372 959217 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309624394 606777 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's < 1309624396 400459 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1309624407 811936 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a scale i've ever seen < 1309624458 166688 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hint these are not numbers of semitones < 1309624632 546072 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they multiples of a particular frequency? < 1309624656 669396 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's silly < 1309624725 53140 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1309624856 849147 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silly? Are you sure? < 1309624857 578020 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309624893 285491 :nooga!~nooga@86-63-82-221.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1309626072 605630 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1309626145 98769 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION concludes, after much testing, that Minecraft is not a world amenable to the scientific method. < 1309626492 637124 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....what? < 1309626568 102288 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is amenable to reverse engineering! < 1309626593 920674 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think ZZT is a world amenable to the scientific method. < 1309626776 763475 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do strange thing, see what happens, make hypothesis, make up an experiment to test hypothesis, test it, see result, remember that ZZT is written in Pascal, think of the program to cause that to happen, look in memory dump, think about more. < 1309626818 405301 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have figured out a lot of stuff about ZZT using this method, however I have not documented any of it. < 1309626932 484895 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What worlds aren't amenable to the scientific method? < 1309626939 511054 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minecraft may be ... difficult, but < 1309626956 261263 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, perhaps a one where the rules vary by time and never repeat < 1309627002 213090 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: What about meta-rules, then? < 1309627036 294137 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe all rules at all levels change by the progress of time, a bit like a nomic < 1309627056 287272 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rules can specify how the rules will change, including how the rules will change < 1309627132 87760 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. Maybe. < 1309627250 547415 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309627298 417786 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still predictable in some sense, if you know all the rules, but that definitely defines a complex world < 1309627328 474846 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a world not amenable to the scientific method: the real world, as applies to major historical events and social networks < 1309627353 174528 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hell can you have reproducability if things never play out the same twice? < 1309627376 681656 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Predictable if you know all the rules, but is there any way to, from the inside, even approach determining the rules? < 1309627393 911700 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since, yeah, reproducibility < 1309628569 559569 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1309630263 639912 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309630439 418178 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1309630810 461214 :nooga!~nooga@86-63-82-221.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1309630972 322245 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Sgeo < 1309631324 440280 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1309631336 602047 :cranitree!~charlie@189.83.78.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309631376 405124 :jcp|other!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1309631455 635936 :cranitree!~charlie@189.83.78.62 PART #esoteric :"Konversation terminated!" < 1309633360 509243 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so it hit me. < 1309633367 623682 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Life is basically the knapsack problem. < 1309634185 140934 :Balanced1!~Balanced1@99-156-92-79.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309634687 189844 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a painter would say life is paintbrush < 1309634693 552694 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree < 1309634698 860801 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely paintbrush < 1309634947 482155 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1309635043 381401 :Balanced1!~Balanced1@99-156-92-79.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: http://irc2go.com/ < 1309635247 571238 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229096220.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1309635249 488373 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229096220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1309635255 482256 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229096220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know what glyph this is? ❡ < 1309635275 925121 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2761/index.htm < 1309635324 294606 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hay you stop cheating please. < 1309635394 709447 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theobromine < 1309635407 85695 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way it doesn't have bromine in it. < 1309635716 279040 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: it appears to be U+2761 CURVED STEM PARAGRAPH SIGN ORNAMENT (❡). < 1309636564 461480 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1309636581 218017 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : a painter would say life is paintbrush < 1309636589 185396 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, no it is the paint stripper < 1309636593 570261 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well IMO) < 1309636605 672873 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonononononononono < 1309636611 820969 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its the knapsack problem. < 1309636626 39500 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, how so? < 1309636634 24124 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you have things you can do. < 1309636646 693297 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1309636647 890978 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They all take a certain amount of time and effort. < 1309636653 216637 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1309636655 71228 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they all yield a certain reward < 1309636660 997994 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So basically. < 1309636662 267360 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly < 1309636665 996917 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Life is the knapsack problem. < 1309636685 590265 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, there is a bit of randomness in there too, you might not get that job you wanted < 1309636686 982973 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1309636705 149966 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting analogy however < 1309636723 869416 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 18 20 21 24 27 30 32 < 1309636725 884423 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1309636800 970206 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (logBase 2/12*) [16,18,20,21,24,27,30,32] < 1309636801 737291 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show (t -> t) < 1309636801 889035 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `... < 1309636810 9050 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1309636843 446 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :randomized napsack problem? < 1309636853 757870 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map ((/12).logBase 2) [16,18,20,21,24,27,30,32] < 1309636855 522244 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0.3333333333333333,0.3474937501201927,0.3601606745739469,0.366026451898230... < 1309636859 743241 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1309636868 911471 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, zzo38's scale < 1309636919 599289 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join(zipWith(-)) $ map ((/12).logBase 2) [16,18,20,21,24,27,30,32] :: [Float] < 1309636921 107222 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0] < 1309636925 987849 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1309636932 283363 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join(zipWith(-).tail) $ map ((/12).logBase 2) [16,18,20,21,24,27,30,32] :: [Float] < 1309636933 775305 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1.41604245e-2,1.2666911e-2,5.8658123e-3,1.6053706e-2,1.41604245e-2,1.26669... < 1309637042 406043 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot's short lines make floating point lists awkward :( < 1309637126 908130 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i wonder if lambdabot has channel-based option lists (it does give longer lines in private messages) < 1309637290 471591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1309637363 633820 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map(printf "%.3f").join(zipWith(-).tail) $ map ((/12).logBase 2) [16,18,20,21,24,27,30,32] :: [String] < 1309637365 134618 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["0.014","0.013","0.006","0.016","0.014","0.013","0.008"] < 1309637374 443729 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map(2^)[4, 4+1/7 .. 5] < 1309637375 336145 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `a' in the constraints: < 1309637375 484560 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `GHC.Real.Fractional a' < 1309637375 633355 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1309637378 233138 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1309637387 246276 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map(2**)[4, 4+1/7 .. 5] < 1309637388 64970 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [16.0,17.665432218781003,19.504218467271617,21.534403082117716,23.775908626... < 1309637416 571408 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map(printf "%.3f".(2**))[4, 4+1/7 .. 5] < 1309637417 322063 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `b' in the constraints: < 1309637417 506246 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `Text.Printf.PrintfType ... < 1309637422 98124 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map(printf "%.3f".(2**))[4, 4+1/7 .. 5]::[String] < 1309637423 531226 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["16.000","17.665","19.504","21.534","23.776","26.251","28.983","32.000"] < 1309637473 1548 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it is _not_ simply rounding of an ordinary scale < 1309637484 233599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1309637503 333149 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: zzo38 has presented a scale conundrum < 1309637661 570620 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he already said they weren't semitones :P < 1309637693 993910 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tend to read more than what he says into everything he says though < 1309637700 425998 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: um i took that to mean that 16 and 18 weren't separated by 3 semitones, etc. < 1309637713 707751 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait duh < 1309637911 238484 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map(printf "%.3f".(2**).(4+).(1/12*))[0,2,4,5,7,9,11,12] < 1309637911 981533 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `b' in the constraints: < 1309637912 134208 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `Text.Printf.PrintfType ... < 1309637920 716362 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map(printf "%.3f".(2**).(4+).(1/12*))[0,2,4,5,7,9,11,12]::[String] < 1309637922 151321 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["16.000","17.959","20.159","21.357","23.973","26.909","30.204","32.000"] < 1309637961 173694 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok rounding _that_ fits your numbers < 1309637963 948932 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is an ordinary equal temperament scale now. What you had before obviously isn't, I think < 1309637983 442093 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes it does fit. < 1309637992 431084 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i somehow divided it in 7 while completely forgetting about semitones :P < 1309637996 664103 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*into < 1309638052 811332 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a rounded major scale? < 1309638092 237644 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could say it is a 16-to-32 linear temperament based major scale. < 1309638106 996213 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1309638117 130445 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bet it sounds pretty funky < 1309638148 407787 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just now I programmed my computer to play a seven-tone equal temperament scale so I can know its sound. < 1309638184 204664 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Just Tone < 1309638184 962856 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor `Tone' < 1309638215 404079 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : What worlds aren't amenable to the scientific method? <-- worlds that explicitly consider sentient beings and try to fool them < 1309638220 865233 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Just Interval < 1309638221 669269 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor `Interval' < 1309638240 514933 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you know the song Tombeau de Messiaen? < 1309638241 96466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is this your objection to the scientific method? :D < 1309638243 675862 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: like jeebuz does. < 1309638248 27649 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: No. I don't know that. < 1309638285 220767 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it is a piece for piano and tape. the piano is equal-tempered, and the tape is the same key but in just intonation < 1309638301 475347 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's a possible objection to any presumed infallibility of it < 1309638315 134091 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does it play equal-temperament and just-intonation simultaneously? < 1309638328 930501 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1309638365 663008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD THINGS TO SAY ON PUBLICLY-LOGGED IRC CHANNELS AND, ALSO, TO THINK IN THE FIRST PLACE: hmm, we need to start giving randall's relatives cancer so he starts making good strips again like those five-minute ones < 1309638392 692260 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey, great artists need to suffer! < 1309638399 952410 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :those were good < 1309638405 585556 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has made a couple good ones since then < 1309638406 625686 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(remind me never to become a great artist) < 1309638409 277679 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :will we get more cancer strips too < 1309638417 870170 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where we means people who read xkcd < 1309638427 523419 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not we < 1309638443 421425 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : GOOD THINGS TO SAY ON PUBLICLY-LOGGED IRC CHANNELS AND, ALSO, TO THINK IN THE FIRST PLACE: hmm, we need to start giving randall's relatives cancer so he starts making good strips again like those five-minute ones < 1309638464 751460 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 5-minute ones were made some unspecified time before they were released. < 1309638482 709317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cancer: Not a miracle cure? < 1309638498 832764 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears not. < 1309638518 238384 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This still doesn't explain the xkcdecay, though.) < 1309638548 621559 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there ain't no cure, there ain't no cure, there ain't no cure for running out of ideas < 1309638565 405997 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the half life of xkcd? < 1309638613 458769 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 years or so? < 1309638686 391041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is mostly because I'm hardware/semiconductor guy intimately familiar with current microprocessor and processing technology plus what's in the pipeline for the next 10-20 years - there are fundamental physics reasons why it probably can't." < 1309638690 878879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orthogonal persistence: PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE < 1309638715 669715 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot imagine what confusion of ideas would provoke such a statement. < 1309638735 324013 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now hardware orthogonal persistence would be something < 1309638749 282583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They weren't actually saying that.) < 1309638753 780386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's just having non-volatile RAM < 1309638803 34076 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think you need to provide context. His statement is perfectly reasonable of by "it probably can't", he means "microprocessors probably can't solve the halting problem". < 1309638810 972264 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PART :#esoteric < 1309638838 333140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I provided "context" with the next line, but that's actually not really what he was saying at all, it's just funny to read it that way :P < 1309638844 421396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The subject was single-address-space systems.) < 1309638846 982441 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1309638985 948579 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229096220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, thank you < 1309639001 3884 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229096220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you too < 1309639009 743086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: thank you < 1309639010 910201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you too < 1309639011 59101 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, aren't you, on some level, fundamentally, platonically, Australian? < 1309639017 913789 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yep. < 1309639197 599371 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: also filled with hope < 1309640736 607657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what precedence does (::) have? < 1309640766 728794 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not an operator, so somewhere <= -1 :P < 1309640803 339100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm just wondering how to write my Show instance :) < 1309640819 603124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1309640828 624085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess unconditional showParen < 1309640832 566006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't want any parens shown at the top level < 1309640839 878110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the showParen precedence given for a top level show? < 1309640842 834733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, 0 < 1309640859 899715 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src show < 1309640860 87969 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :show x = shows x "" < 1309640865 819591 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src shows < 1309640866 32747 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. stty: unknown mode: doofus < 1309640866 725013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :showsPrec d x = showParen (d > 0) $ showString "renat :: " . showType x < 1309640868 483414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that should work < 1309640892 450772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: < 1309640892 710152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- | equivalent to 'showsPrec' with a precedence of 0. < 1309640892 858916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shows :: (Show a) => a -> ShowS < 1309640892 859119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shows = showsPrec zeroInt < 1309640893 974079 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: except that theoretically that would break for $ < 1309640898 521192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, indeed < 1309640903 723521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't have it every way :P < 1309640968 710344 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which actually means showsPrec is flawed even for just 0-9, hm < 1309641010 423249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :howso? < 1309641010 572042 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you mix infixr with infixl or infix of the same level, it cannot distinguish that they are not allowed < 1309641015 593664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1309641677 277842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, zzo < 1309641679 358083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a template for that < 1309641692 826516 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wat < 1309641695 625794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :broken lists < 1309641696 640379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :links < 1309641702 207584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's just ing them < 1309641707 97605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is plain confusing to read, to boot < 1309641729 31122 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes. and harder to search for, obviously. < 1309641733 936746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1309641744 409096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Deadlink < 1309641746 416982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :happily small numebr < 1309641753 952351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although obviously very incomplete < 1309641814 809565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's 69.72.75.139? < 1309641836 42105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Computational_class#Isomorphism < 1309641838 524375 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madk i think < 1309641838 792340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Shall I rename? :-) < 1309641879 919146 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or someone obsessed with madk and his languages < 1309641908 799599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Computational_class#Reduction < 1309641915 184561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :renamed (and added a note) < 1309642360 564183 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1309642423 901914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh WillMac looks like an idiot < 1309642433 69649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad he's offline, i'd antagonise him < 1309642481 781801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:40:27: am i wrong for liking dissociative hallucinogens? < 1309642482 30960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES YOU ARE A TERRIBLE PERSON < 1309642485 509634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man what is this guy even doing < 1309642491 41049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:41:39: i guess i just enjoy losing my ego < 1309642491 189620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:41:54: i practice eastern religion < 1309642495 243517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man this is g < 1309642495 464873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:42:10: and crowleyan magick < 1309642498 31519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS PERFECT < 1309642500 479642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the best thing ever < 1309642502 154969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love you willmac < 1309642506 501960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he is the perfect stumbler < 1309642508 100320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect < 1309642513 275730 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the guy who thought this was a hiphop channel < 1309642519 391753 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the perfect stumbler < 1309642521 364901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was also perfect < 1309642528 902471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:01:52: -!- WillMac has joined #esoteric. < 1309642529 145359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...]05:44:03: so this isnt a channel for esotericism? < 1309642533 381257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost a whole fucking hour < 1309642534 774478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazin < 1309642535 287115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1309642558 625639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: how long did hiphop guy take < 1309642563 993238 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget < 1309642570 465135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:45:48: Well its hard to find places < 1309642570 614035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:45:52: that are accepting of it < 1309642570 614116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:46:05: "GET THE FUCK OUT HIPPY" < 1309642570 614164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:46:12: "YOURE SCHIZO" < 1309642570 614209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:46:23: "THERES NO SUCH THING AS THE DIVINE" < 1309642572 802718 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't around for it I only read the logs too :( < 1309642576 479495 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the logs were pretty long < 1309642581 583808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i reject options one and two and pick option three < 1309642611 60508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:48:41: <-- dissociated emotional bi-sexual < 1309642611 209142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait does this mean that the <3s he was handing out represented true love < 1309642612 498464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im missing out < 1309642651 550781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:33:27: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35890 < 1309642651 780625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:33:40: Perhaps the best bug ever? < 1309642651 929212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :long-time fan of this one < 1309642652 329014 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B133D7C.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309642681 921678 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : almost a whole fucking hour <-- well there weren't a lot of other people talking then < 1309642682 785418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=68484 <-- this is definitely the best bit, I'd have loved to see gentoo remove gaim < 1309642689 799114 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1309642696 603043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this is too funny, you've taken the crown of being the biggest jack ass I've < 1309642696 821676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen this year. well done, I think." --a gentoo developer < 1309642706 213586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gentoo developers calling people jackasses: great < 1309642706 505577 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a slow almost a fucking hour < 1309642714 74481 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1309642717 932404 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a slow almost a whole fucking hour < 1309642718 630540 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1309642721 518935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This has to be worst initial contact I think anybody could have made. < 1309642721 748289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure I expect much more out of somebody that codes for AOL software." < 1309642726 385933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gaim is a tool of the aols < 1309642733 757908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :""Lindows.com, a proud gaim supporter!" <- this could explain" < 1309642736 351188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahaha oh wow < 1309642740 485660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot how amazing this is < 1309642764 857146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is blasphemy, and just proves there are people with way to much time on < 1309642765 5989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :their hands. If you got a problem, don't bitch on bugzilla, we have better < 1309642765 6167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :things to do then listen to your incessant whining." < 1309642767 606881 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : i reject options one and two and pick option three <-- darn, i was hoping you'd get slightly bad conscience < 1309642771 727084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was before the sparta meme < 1309642776 763646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy is actually calling it blasphemy < 1309642815 744417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm all for people who actually believe in that stuff to have somewhere to discuss said nonsense, and I don't think they're idiots, bad people, or insane, but there is no such thing as the divine :P < 1309642855 267558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't think that #esoteric has any responsibility to support discussion of such things, since most of us don't care < 1309642866 336929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't fault someone who believed in esoterica discussing esolangs and general crap in here < 1309642881 375911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I doubt anyone who comes in discussing esoterica would actually be an expert #esoteric < 1309642919 65439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124595 this is a slightly less best bug report, but one that shows how shitty gentoo devs are < 1309642923 685014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"> The package is still useless. The ebuilds in the other < 1309642923 833551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> bug are still broken. < 1309642923 833730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not submit a fixed one?" < 1309642924 628494 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation) < 1309642934 540611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought bugzilla existed to stop people responding to every request with PATCHES < 1309642970 764288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:02:25: * Phantom_Hoover concludes, after much testing, that Minecraft is not a world amenable to the scientific method. < 1309642970 949018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Howso < 1309643027 38523 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, experimental replication doesn't work. < 1309643035 429610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Howso? < 1309643080 356986 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I built *exactly the same* device in three different places. < 1309643094 820842 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only one of them worked the way I wanted it to. < 1309643200 359157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1309643202 222781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which device? < 1309643264 730530 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piston door. < 1309643360 591308 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1309643696 594837 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1309643732 244822 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1309643835 529294 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hey that's just lack of position symmetry, nothing unscientific about that >:) < 1309643867 494581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of makes peer review difficult. < 1309643968 108540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :showSpace :: ShowS < 1309643968 257094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :showSpace = {-showChar ' '-} \ xs -> ' ' : xs < 1309643970 748161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good optimisation < 1309644324 978200 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if (guess that?) ghc will inline showChar ' ' completely so it doesn't actually make a difference... < 1309644353 585391 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t showChar < 1309644354 319447 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Char -> String -> String < 1309644396 33006 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1309644512 404751 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B133D7C.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 5.0/20110615151330] < 1309645427 590222 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1309645575 605688 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309646270 359292 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1309646488 141784 :MigoMipo_!~John@84-217-8-43.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309646512 469632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what a bijective functor is, unless it is a band name or something. – Stephen Cagle yesterday < 1309646525 32522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm forming a band do you want to join. < 1309646555 919777 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curry Howard and the bijective functors < 1309646585 34080 :MigoMipo_!~John@84-217-8-43.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1309646650 47491 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-43.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1309646657 920158 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under what conditions might a turing-complete language not have a quine? < 1309646671 338627 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No output. < 1309646683 580108 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it doesn't have IO? < 1309646685 487047 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, true < 1309646700 66915 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think it's more broad then that, I'm curious as to the exact limit < 1309646701 851350 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :limits < 1309646712 123430 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If its IO is incompatible with the format it's encoded in? < 1309646732 19125 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You would then make up a new kind of quine if that is the case, I think. < 1309646742 254600 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1309646743 172595 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, you are correct anyways. < 1309646755 541111 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that language that if it doesn't start with ', is some IO-less language, and if it starts with ', just prints stuff after '? < 1309646788 991571 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes, then it is turing-complete and I/O, but it doesn't have turing-complete I/O. < 1309646789 140087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's the output equivalent of arbitrary effect at an arbitrary point < 1309646793 749424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a formal definition for quines, but I've forgotten < 1309646821 930362 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1309646823 946057 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you have to invent the term "Turing-complete I/O". < 1309646829 145411 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: see our old discussion at http://esolangs.org/wiki/User_talk:Smjg < 1309646832 865166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Any programming language which is Turing complete, and which is able to output any string (by a computable function of the string as program — this is a technical condition that is satisfied in every programming language in existence) has a quine program (and, in fact, infinitely many quine programs, and many similar curiosities) as follows by the fixed-point theorem." ;; meh, David Madore gets it wrong < 1309646838 686551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, he uses "output any string" for "IO-complete" < 1309646851 443667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know if anyone has a complete formal definition of that < 1309646859 467766 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"every programming language in existence" < 1309646859 616339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's one of CS' Great Unknown Unsolved Problems :) < 1309646880 279131 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the wire-crossing problem? < 1309646891 86718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1309646891 974952 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then also the other term "Compatible I/O", which means it can input/output a program in the same programming language. < 1309646900 882489 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. half the solution is defining what the problem actually was? < 1309647032 559343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Most likely. < 1309647115 421770 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the programming language has all three features "Turing-complete", "Turing-complete I/O", "Compatible I/O", then figure out the conditions for making quine, narcissism, self-interpreter, etc < 1309647243 753920 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have already had this discussion here elliott < 1309647266 650900 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1309647297 733476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: We've had every discussion here. < 1309647301 683220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But until they're resolved... < 1309647318 836990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I still want the esoteric wiki to have a project to formally define a bunch of stuff that nobody's actually pinned down yet :) < 1309647322 704575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including Turing-completeness itself. < 1309647326 871436 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean we resolved it < 1309647342 531380 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309647392 975406 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, erm, TCness isn't well-defined? < 1309647400 625294 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes I would also want the wiki to have that stuff < 1309647428 982093 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't turing-completeness pretty much defined as "capable of representing any computable number"? < 1309647444 934901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: See 2,3 Turing machine, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Befunge/index.php < 1309647454 591730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia too. < 1309647465 706058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: < 1309647467 859239 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1309647472 764107 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that crap < 1309647482 188747 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think the field's ever gonna agree < 1309647483 990885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr, where is it. < 1309647489 113151 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that's on a different level of definition, I think. < 1309647499 792416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://esolangs.org/wiki/%E2%84%92 < 1309647502 631192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia too. < 1309647502 779510 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well-defined: the 2,3 turing machine plus the initializing program is a turing-complete system < 1309647519 391482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That's just a way of ignoring that there's no clear definition. < 1309647524 633826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See http://esolangs.org/wiki/%E2%84%92 too. < 1309647591 314559 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, OK, but the problem isn't really that it's *ill* defined, just that there are two definitions in common use that happen to coincide most of the time. < 1309647617 104027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, but those definitions themselves aren't clear; see 2,3. < 1309647649 723943 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, remind me what its deal is? < 1309647665 855834 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think it's agreed as to what it means for a computational system, from the atomic level upward, to be TC. on the other hand, it may be meaningless to say that a particular /language/ is TC in that same sense. the latter is the one missing a definition. < 1309647683 802196 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :TCness is afaict perfectly well defined for the subset of systems where input and output have a reasonable finite encoding (e.g. as strings of symbols over a finite alphabet) < 1309647686 81300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It requires a sub-Turing machine to produce its initial input. < 1309647691 468530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Which is infinite, and non-repeating. < 1309647696 42021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The proof, that is.) < 1309647707 969987 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah. < 1309647728 794484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are ways to construct a system whereby two Turing-incomplete machines can be plugged into one another and produce a Turing-complete system, so it's not clear that the 2,3 machine itself has been proved TC. < 1309647740 109906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the same time, the system that generates the initial input can be /really/ low-powered. < 1309647747 790946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 2,3 machine does basically all the "work". < 1309647954 512064 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :we know what set of problems a TC machine can solve. that is well-defined. and so, "the set of systems capable of solving those problems" is also well-defined < 1309647970 837807 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just don't know how to determine the members of that class < 1309647990 554648 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: actually i'd say the word "system" is the major vague one there < 1309648001 989300 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1309648020 309351 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we are talking about inventions limited only by creativity < 1309648024 206209 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we had a definition of that, we'd surely be able to say "this is in the class, and that isn't" < 1309648050 805677 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :we know what they have to be able to do. we just don't know what they are. < 1309648058 721920 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 2,3-machine being one way to escape the simple case of languages over strings (for which everything is completely well-defined) < 1309648063 86655 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like reverse-engineering < 1309648089 579229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itos :: Int# -> String -> String < 1309648089 816419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itos n# cs < 1309648089 965127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : | n# <# 0# = < 1309648089 965228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : let !(I# minInt#) = minInt in < 1309648089 965274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if n# ==# minInt# < 1309648090 622900 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*of strings < 1309648090 771391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- negateInt# minInt overflows, so we can't do that: < 1309648092 620798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : then '-' : itos' (negateInt# (n# `quotInt#` 10#)) < 1309648094 533416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (itos' (negateInt# (n# `remInt#` 10#)) cs) < 1309648096 529909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : else '-' : itos' (negateInt# n#) cs < 1309648098 530109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : | otherwise = itos' n# cs < 1309648100 527546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : where < 1309648102 539764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : itos' :: Int# -> String -> String < 1309648104 636962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : itos' x# cs' < 1309648106 526594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : | x# <# 10# = C# (chr# (ord# '0'# +# x#)) : cs' < 1309648110 526313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : | otherwise = case chr# (ord# '0'# +# (x# `remInt#` 10#)) of { c# -> < 1309648110 724711 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, these are one kind of category of esolang, which is, ones dealing with computational classes in some new way < 1309648112 525039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : itos' (x# `quotInt#` 10#) (C# c# : cs') } < 1309648204 880900 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also discussed in here before, what might be the computational class and other stuff about BlooP+REDPROGRAM or FlooP+REDPROGRAM (what BlooP, FlooP, GlooP, REDPROGRAM, means, is described in Hofstadter's book) < 1309648220 936220 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's some special case on minint :P < 1309648278 204261 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also see [[Oozlybub and Murphy]]. < 1309648299 956039 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: banana scheme and brainhype too < 1309648316 54424 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, those too. < 1309648355 491373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> re :: Re (Z :- S Z :- S (S Z) :- Nil) < 1309648355 742688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ReZ ::- (ReS ReZ ::- (ReS (ReS ReZ) ::- ReNil)) < 1309648355 891154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> re :: Re (Z :- S Z :- S (S Z) :- True :- Nil) < 1309648355 891353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::1:1: < 1309648355 891464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type `TBool' with `TNat' < 1309648358 537359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me am play gods < 1309648363 294801 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realizes itos prime would be a nice scifi name < 1309648376 655798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Itos Prime and the Curry Howardly Bijective Functors < 1309648389 313406 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cowardly hurried < 1309648419 904187 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly it's a character from SuperTuring. < 1309648445 482476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> :t typeOf (re :: Re Nil) < 1309648445 631165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :typeOf (re :: Re Nil) :: Nope (TList a) < 1309648445 631351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> :t typeOf (re :: Re (True :- Nil)) < 1309648445 631458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :typeOf (re :: Re (True :- Nil)) :: Nope (TList TBool) < 1309648466 295284 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: or possibly a planet. wait, a sentient planet. < 1309648485 281631 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, OF COURSE < 1309648549 494992 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: one camp is always going to say "if you take away this part, then what's left can't do the things a TC system should, therefore, what's left is not TC." other people are always gonna say "But what's left is the part doing all the real work!" It's same thing with the two register minsky machine. it's only TC if you are willing to allow unusual encoding of input. < 1309648604 838017 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION manages to only embarrass himself in two non-here channels < 1309648614 26558 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: um as i said, the TCness of languages of strings is the baseline. and that includes minsky machines by simple encoding. < 1309648662 318129 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Which says not only unclearness of TC, but also that TC is not necessarily sufficient. < 1309648698 607018 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's only a metaphor. the fact that you need a separate system to encode your input to the minsky tarpit, and would not be able to make a UTM in it without that < 1309648724 556744 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, so that's three out of...? < 1309648735 129980 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the separation of input from program is an unnecessary complication >:) < 1309648737 327806 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what? < 1309648750 950320 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I'm talking about a single event, where I didn't ask my stupid question in here < 1309648755 635975 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1309648758 9479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : quintopia: the separation of input from program is an unnecessary complication >:) < 1309648762 248121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tempted to paste this to my non-programmer friend < 1309648767 336173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Here's your OS IT ONLY DOES ONE THING." < 1309648902 75359 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@user-12hcrs5.cable.mindspring.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1309648902 483089 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@user-12hcrs5.cable.mindspring.com QUIT :Changing host < 1309648902 631577 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1309648931 537904 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SQLite C interface includes three-star pointers for some functions. < 1309648932 647030 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHAHA WE KNOW HIS REAL HOST < 1309648968 959177 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Does it matter? < 1309648987 826240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. now we can kill him. < 1309649010 370227 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: not really, but it makes cloaks seem relatively useless when people do that mistake all the time < 1309649047 341469 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course maybe he's just having a cloak for esthetic reasons. < 1309649069 988342 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Then why do people do that mistake all the time? I don't have a cloak but still have never made such a mistake. < 1309649089 823124 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you learn better? < 1309649141 345013 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well the mistake only happens because of the cloak, so obviously you won't have done it < 1309649223 574220 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I can see when the login is recognized. Is that what causes it? < 1309649237 687636 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes afaiu < 1309649279 653334 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's when the cloak will be added < 1309649296 99218 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then probably it is synchronizing problem? < 1309649299 950144 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1309649378 346441 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell them, that, if you want cloak you should check if the login is recognized before sending the JOIN command. < 1309649428 359932 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have actually asked for a cloak, but the one I asked for is not one their software supports, I think. Or something like that.) < 1309649622 405263 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What I asked is that if the computer I am connecting from is named "zzo38computer.cjb.net", that the cloak is also set to that name. They were unable to do that.) < 1309649705 783735 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1309650070 466283 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1309651032 83655 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection