< 1309997441 251483 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1309998347 424120 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1309998437 771749 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1309999953 712945 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1310000466 429474 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1310000825 548003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1310001239 561121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : the idea of having two different identites intrigues me. < 1310001280 166199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly if there is _both_ a left and a right identity, they have to be the same. (because l = l `op` r = r) < 1310001303 302154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can have something that is just one of them, say 0 is just a right identity for (-) < 1310001341 862322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more intriguingly, if you _do_ have just one side, i think you can have more than one identity < 1310001434 962854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that is pretty obvious < 1310001487 190210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x `op` y = if x < 0 then y else -y in ((-2) `op` y, (-1) `op` y) < 1310001488 31815 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (y,y) < 1310002460 758376 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/homestuck/comments/ihleb/so_im_doing_the_writing_for_a_midnight_crew_based/ how does this have -2 downvotes? < 1310003034 820100 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upvote/downvote numbers are meaningless. < 1310003112 800778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think they'd keep the fudging within the natural numbers, though < 1310003311 496449 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1310004847 610771 :brucebanner!~jcfm_3141@SCZ-190-104-29-00004.wimaxtigo.bo JOIN :#esoteric < 1310005020 680416 :brucebanner!~jcfm_3141@SCZ-190-104-29-00004.wimaxtigo.bo PART :#esoteric < 1310005094 558531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately he left before anyone got him angry < 1310005439 489772 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1310005553 786639 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does the e-reader I want cost $330? < 1310006187 309930 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia now automatically uses WOT < 1310006199 457185 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, n/m < 1310006243 953325 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone actually manually inserted WOT stuff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reflexology&action=edit < 1310007186 509856 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1310007359 489222 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1310008688 576380 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1310009811 867763 :foocraft!~ewanas@89.211.175.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310009903 580728 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1310011046 929549 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310014146 690748 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I haven't a clue what best to do right now." <<< ignore < 1310014246 745441 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" and more intriguingly, if you _do_ have just one side, i think you can have more than one identity" <<< a op b = a < 1310014339 465292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1310014341 267513 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i characterized the CA generated by idempotents < 1310014358 662206 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the characterization is a bit complicated < 1310014386 449623 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CA generated by involutions (a^2 = 1) are a famous open problem < 1310014417 762186 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm sorry the CA generated by periodic CA (a^n = 1 for some n) are a famous open problem < 1310014489 82755 :foocraft!~ewanas@89.211.175.239 QUIT :Quit: if you're going....to san. fran. cisco!!! < 1310014495 394625 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the conjecture is they essentially generate all reversible CA, although there are some restrictions on information flow and you can't do shifts for instance < 1310014605 489329 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'LL FIND THE DETAILS IN MY PHD THESIS < 1310014681 106580 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :an idempotent CA is kind of like a strong deformation retract of the full shift to an SFT < 1310014703 868442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um idempotent just means everything becomes a still life after one generation, no? < 1310014726 898788 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1310014748 566237 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean "just" < 1310014767 82086 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say it "just" means G^2 = G < 1310014804 773593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a^n = 1 is to hold globally at all points for a fixed n? < 1310014817 20910 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah 1 is the identity map < 1310014823 574795 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1310014830 903579 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nono a^n = 1 means a^n is identity < 1310014831 781012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the conjecture means that every reversible CA has a finite period... < 1310014841 682552 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1310014852 931016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um that's how i read what you wrote < 1310014862 903989 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't, so let me see what i wrote < 1310014866 617883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what do you mean by generate < 1310014876 864653 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they GENERATE the reversible CA < 1310014884 815513 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric := their products are < 1310014901 39839 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as i said there are restrictions, and i don't know what they are exactly < 1310014914 836956 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is known they do not in fact generate all reversible CA, particularly the shift < 1310014923 579549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. so a_1^n = a_2^n = ... = a_k^n = 1 and then a_1 a_2 ... a_k is an almost general reversible CA < 1310014930 311170 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1310015031 570127 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think i have a kind of proof for forall i: a_i^2 = a^i and then a_1 a_2 ... a_k is is an almost general CA G which has the property that forall n: (if G(U_n) = U_n then G|U_n = 1|U_n) where U_n is the set of points with least period n < 1310015058 672997 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :to use your way of expressing things < 1310015068 808504 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :became kind of... obscure < 1310015078 473453 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1310015081 326351 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a_i^2 = a_i < 1310015111 420931 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is easy to see that that must hold for all CA generated by idempotents < 1310015117 314985 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i believe it's sufficient < 1310015166 823733 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for certain values of easy < 1310015189 914802 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i suppose it's kind of easy < 1310015228 490972 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway a oneliner < 1310015229 233850 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote turing < 1310015232 477161 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :100) I can do everything a Turing machine can do, except love \ 146) we'd care about a turing-complete pencil \ 274) ah yes, indeed, alan turing was gay and stupid \ 468) i never meta turing. he died before i was born. \ 469) oerjan: can you delete that and the meta turing < 1310015274 159675 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote meta < 1310015275 587588 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :333) Oh god. I've become a metallurgy hipster. Iridium is way too mainstream. \ 410) I was more of a pervert in Metaplace than Utherverse I invented Metaplace sex >.> \ 468) i never meta turing. he died before i was born. \ 469) oerjan: < 1310015386 269300 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you see why they have that property? i'd love to explain you see but i'm wondering if you want to do it yourself. i mean i know how much you love math. < 1310015406 420429 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and Sgeo_ wanted to learn math, this would actually be a fun exercise < 1310015474 106697 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION desperately tries to find math buddies, then realizes there will be ppl at the uni soon and he could just go there
< 1310015525 56915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not think my brain is sufficiently awake for that much math now. < 1310015548 516260 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs to be both: Much more awake, and made familiar with what a^2 means in the context of a CA
< 1310015560 223576 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: a \circ a, first do a, then do a again < 1310015562 203968 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :two iterations < 1310015575 69012 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a^2(x) = a(a(x)) < 1310015579 63320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i somewhat fear my brain may never be that awake again < 1310015586 610316 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a^2=a is same thing as idempotent < 1310015588 193680 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1310015593 584764 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: that's the definition < 1310015605 734719 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a * a = a means a is an idempotent w.r.t. * < 1310015647 296250 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: speaking of brains being awake, have you heard of a topology for all CA or in general a topology for the set of dynamics commuting endomorphisms of a dynamical system? < 1310015684 884552 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i came up with a fun topology using a dynamics invariant measures and we found some fun properties for it like composition being continuous in certain cases and inverse as well < 1310015701 34682 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and entropy almost never < 1310015758 510615 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why you'd want a measure for it, but since we got results it felt natural to assume someone else did that stuff already, much better < 1310015760 135388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i recall < 1310015763 685996 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1310015768 418459 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*why you'd want a topology < 1310015965 552872 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it turned out that in the CA case the metric is just the integral over S^Z of d(a(x), b(x)) where d is the besicovitch measure, a fact directly given by birkhoff's ergodic theorem < 1310015989 392531 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ermerm < 1310015995 633035 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :besicovitch distance i mean < 1310016021 724926 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess one could ask what the fuck the besicovitch distance is < 1310016029 485978 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me tell you < 1310016107 517921 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :d(x, y) is the lim sup as n goes to infinity of H(Z_n(x), Z_n(y))/(2n + 1) where H is the hamming distance and Z_n(x) is the word of length 2n + 1 in the middle of x < 1310016162 133937 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original motivation of the besicovitch distance is of course that the shift - the most natural thing in the world - is completely chaotic with the usual topology < 1310016174 785072 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it preserves the besicovitch metric < 1310016177 343768 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1310016236 577943 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also with the besicovitch topology, S^Z is path connected, which is not very hard to believe, and which i've actually proven here once upon a time < 1310016257 318972 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can gradually flip all the bits of x to those of y... < 1310016645 996726 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1310016646 318486 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info QUIT :Excess Flood < 1310016729 880395 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Sgeo < 1310016816 442579 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1310018034 942927 :Lymee!~moe@123.120.136.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310018035 160248 :Lymee!~moe@123.120.136.161 QUIT :Changing host < 1310018035 322161 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1310020807 482309 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-56.vpn.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1310020925 778597 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1310021016 946814 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+45%3A7&version=KJV < 1310021033 749353 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That really seems to screw with "God is good". < 1310021049 207120 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless God is in a superposition of states. < 1310021277 524110 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta remember that one < 1310021302 379333 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :superposition sounds a lot cleaner than inconsistent or self-contradictory < 1310021422 398570 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God" (Exodus 34:14) -- yeah, well, if his *name* is "Jealous", ... < 1310021446 857747 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any artist does knows that you have to include contrast < 1310021552 351809 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mental disorder makes for great art < 1310021648 961638 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also great atrocities. < 1310021754 237409 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :artrocities??? < 1310021797 72167 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes. < 1310022276 949238 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :arthrocities < 1310022419 203547 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Unless God is in a superposition of states." I think he's in all the 50 states, but if he's a probability function his density would likely be larger in the bible belt < 1310022657 444067 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't this some sort of a cue to a "they certainly are dense there, eh-he-eh" pun? < 1310022671 275677 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-56.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :;:DS < 1310022965 374444 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Internet. Why did you have to connect me with a solipsist? < 1310023005 453225 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why would a solipsist even want to argue? < 1310023077 41935 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a solipsist? < 1310023101 776600 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone who thinks reality does not exist. < 1310023112 872380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry about solipsists, they're just a figment of your imagination anyway < 1310023125 20370 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, a figment of their own imagination. < 1310023127 19672 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even better. < 1310023127 563335 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1310023190 392651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obvious is better? < 1310023472 979352 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, but if everyone is a figment of the same imagination, that should be the same as actually existing < 1310023488 262511 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1310023497 633764 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's certainly indistinguishable. < 1310024569 495148 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1310024944 97345 :RipperM!~shawn@75-139-37-42.static.leds.al.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1310024991 311423 :RipperM!~shawn@75-139-37-42.static.leds.al.charter.com PART :#esoteric < 1310025473 450827 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-104.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1310025625 51053 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-241-58.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310026703 925606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1310027783 807124 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1310028376 660265 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@unaffiliated/beedaweeda QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1310028849 866506 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310028850 158550 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@50.8.174.68 QUIT :Changing host < 1310028850 320912 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@unaffiliated/beedaweeda JOIN :#esoteric < 1310029023 277272 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-56.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i wonder if there's a support group for people in love with schizophrenic girls who keep telling you they have feelings for you but you're so good at everything you do they'd just feel like shit about themselves 24/7 if they dated you, and who will probably die soon enough anyway < 1310029067 728237 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-56.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's prolly a pretty common problem, i should check the bulleting board downstairs < 1310029123 427032 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-56.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also sorry about being all Sgeo there :D < 1310029133 793342 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not quite my problem < 1310029149 15359 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but similar enough < 1310029151 584981 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-56.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1310029156 461586 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-56.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna share :D < 1310029175 434880 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in private maybe < 1310033999 967920 :foocraft!~ewanas@89.211.210.198 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310034048 968437 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310034082 864187 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typed 'cephalopod' into Google, and the two suggestions were 'intelligence' and 'pronunciation'. < 1310034106 426882 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How difficult is 'cephalopod' to pronounce? < 1310034413 17553 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some cephalopods are able to fly distances up to 50 m." < 1310034421 675660 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minecraft: more realistic than you thought. < 1310034532 1588 :FireyFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1310035301 37270 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, TNT assisted flight? < 1310035316 170125 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee, remember the flying squid bug? < 1310035324 362339 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :いいえ < 1310035366 357756 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was all over /r/Minecraft, although I never saw it myself. < 1310035553 234400 :fALSO!~falso@deadbsd.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never understood minecraft < 1310035566 21972 :fALSO!~falso@deadbsd.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why people pay for a game that looks like its been made in 1985 < 1310035633 586028 :fALSO!~falso@deadbsd.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whats all the hype about < 1310035743 639583 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fALSO, please understand that saying that Minecraft "looks like it's been made in 1985" just marks you out as an idiot. < 1310035773 426353 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fALSO, no, that's Dwarf Fortress... < 1310035776 659669 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is much more fun than Minecraft < 1310035782 970665 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO 'fun' < 1310035827 919901 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ordering around random giant things then waiting for it to finish while tabbed into IRC or something. < 1310035861 846287 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you take 'fun' to be as it is in the adage "losing is fun", then yes, it is. < 1310035898 987530 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Losing is fun" only applies to multiplayer games. < 1310035910 171947 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And DF, apparently. < 1310035926 29098 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading Boatmurdered, I can see the attraction. < 1310035936 423022 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just watching everything unravel is entertaining. < 1310035957 765562 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Headshoots is even more fun to read, although for the exact opposite reason.) < 1310035971 160742 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1310035998 61026 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The biggest screwup I've ever had is letting a forgotten beast with an insta-kill dust attack through a hole I didn't even notice before it entered... < 1310036032 521103 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is to say: Most preventable, most final mistae. < 1310036034 26370 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :mistake* < 1310036067 835779 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never actually started playing, because I'm too much of a perfectionist. < 1310036078 482272 :fALSO!~falso@deadbsd.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dont you guys like nethack? < 1310036084 346362 :fALSO!~falso@deadbsd.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a playable game < 1310036089 721685 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1310036092 938411 :fALSO!~falso@deadbsd.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it looks phantom_hoover < 1310036100 10252 :fALSO!~falso@deadbsd.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would never PAY for something like that < 1310036110 562971 :fALSO!~falso@deadbsd.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its ideas..... < 1310036113 277714 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like it's been made in 1987... because it was < 1310036117 570620 :fALSO!~falso@deadbsd.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont need to call me an idiot < 1310036117 732712 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd pay for it < 1310036138 118786 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, because you seem to think that a game's entertainment value is entirely a function of how detailed the graphics are. < 1310036141 74178 :fALSO!~falso@deadbsd.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1310036149 540808 :fALSO!~falso@deadbsd.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :my entertainment value < 1310036156 78577 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rest of us pay for Minecraft because it is fun to play. < 1310036156 594287 :fALSO!~falso@deadbsd.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes me try something < 1310036159 920902 :fALSO!~falso@deadbsd.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :before buying < 1310036165 417270 :fALSO!~falso@deadbsd.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :to understand what the game is about < 1310036190 18808 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-250-223.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1310036412 608459 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-195-235.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1310037059 760453 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fALSO, yes, but the fact that you think the graphics are at all relevant is not encouraging. < 1310037090 850745 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its cost is trivial, and it is more than worth the money if you're into it. < 1310037304 868417 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"141% is the difference between A4 and A3." — ad on YouTube < 1310037306 934346 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um.... < 1310037390 922215 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For Americans and other savages, the A series halves in area each increment.) < 1310037798 55962 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that would be correct for B4 and B3 < 1310037822 73145 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, not even < 1310037867 430268 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The B series is the same, it just has a different starting point. < 1310037917 822600 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same with the C series. < 1310037930 706947 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's correct for the ratio between the edges of A4 and A3, as long as you take the shorter or the longer edge of each < 1310037935 244374 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowledge++; < 1310037973 71296 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well, OK, I guess that makes sense. < 1310037999 812350 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although in terms of actual costs and what you can print on it, the only thing that really matters is area. < 1310038013 24958 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an A negative one? < 1310038025 360101 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could say there is, yeah. < 1310038062 960602 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A0 to A10 exists, with A0 being a square metre (rounded) < 1310038074 792234 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course you can extend it arbitrarily far < 1310038078 829234 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's precisely a square metre. < 1310038098 418176 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it WAS a square meter < 1310038101 948129 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the official proportions are post rounding < 1310038107 357997 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's defined such that the side ratio is 1:sqrt(2) and the area is a square metre. < 1310038111 753679 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not exactly a square meter < 1310038128 526852 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :841*1189 < 1310038128 940171 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric : 999949 < 1310038228 494926 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, why 1:sqrt(2)? < 1310038233 843160 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is THAT useful? < 1310038251 272316 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee, because it preserves the side ratio when you cut it in half along the long side. < 1310038258 462272 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, through the long side. < 1310038296 908658 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1310038298 172085 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1310038304 824208 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :A1 is half A0 or something? < 1310038308 836897 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1310038313 249896 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clever. < 1310038313 412042 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_216 < 1310038314 844886 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Educate yourself < 1310038316 576047 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is quite neat < 1310038336 21261 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, don't be hard on her, she comes from the standardless wasteland of America. < 1310038343 742576 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gasp* < 1310038351 498254 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :O < 1310038355 800906 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why everyone here is from sweden < 1310038358 423341 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :(literally, everyone) < 1310038378 593285 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, there are series from A to H. < 1310038382 688336 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And further, I suppose. < 1310038389 975058 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are/ < 1310038396 676721 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you define D0 - D10? < 1310038413 33358 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geometric means of Bn and An-1. < 1310038418 342666 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1310038430 958871 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :B is the geometric mean of An and An-1. < 1310038466 809883 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cn is often used for envelopes holding An papers. < 1310038469 472618 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cn is Bn and An < 1310040074 10631 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28rotational+energy+of+earth%29+-+%28G*mass+of+earth*mass+of+moon%29%2F%28distance+from+earth+to+moon%29 < 1310040077 426873 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFS, Alpha. < 1310040162 472373 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it doesn't recognise G as the gravitational constant. < 1310040167 321387 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Way to go, Wolfram. < 1310040192 846559 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310040231 156042 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and it still gets caught on the rotational energy bit. < 1310040275 627132 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is rotational energy a word? < 1310040278 515206 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean angular momentum? < 1310040287 606351 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean rotational kinetic energy. < 1310040298 60698 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it is a term < 1310040333 155725 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. If there's energy in having a velocity, but all velocities are relative, does that mean judging kinetic energy is different in every frame of reference? < 1310040354 302637 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Energy is not invariant, no. < 1310040375 908146 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting < 1310040386 83937 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :When people describe it you get the impression that it's thought of as a THING < 1310040392 416939 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some kind of substance objects possess < 1310040400 891822 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's just a measurement, an incidental property < 1310040407 168081 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a thing as much as an accounting measurement. < 1310041158 88796 :CakeProphet!~adam@h176.5.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310041158 402793 :CakeProphet!~adam@h176.5.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1310041158 565093 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1310041206 15929 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, why does America get so much pretty scenery. < 1310041239 265096 :FireyFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly NICK :FireFly < 1310042130 880123 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of surprised mplus isn't ++ < 1310042163 106595 :wth!~tianhou@2001:0:53aa:64c:2893:7f22:85ad:c437 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310042166 908877 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, at least, I'm surprised ++ isn't a method. < 1310042176 688708 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :of any typeclass. < 1310042189 358888 :wth!~tianhou@2001:0:53aa:64c:2893:7f22:85ad:c437 NICK :Guest63324 < 1310042203 764010 :Guest63324!~tianhou@2001:0:53aa:64c:2893:7f22:85ad:c437 QUIT :Client Quit < 1310042227 101095 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :insane keyboard smash skills http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU_TtuIJwMQ&feature=feedf < 1310042442 99570 :foocraft!~ewanas@89.211.210.198 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1310042564 820499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310043903 649421 :foocraft!~ewanas@89.211.209.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310044126 391119 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So I admit I'm probably not the kind of person who normally belongs in /r/math ... but am I the only one who thinks complex numbers are bullshit?" < 1310044303 262535 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the complex number footage was faked < 1310044305 770309 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :@.@ < 1310044306 16266 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: . @ < 1310044315 124665 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ . @ < 1310044322 573140 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@. @ < 1310044322 840958 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough arguments to @. < 1310044330 484085 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help . < 1310044330 707977 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :. [args]. < 1310044330 870113 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :. [or compose] is the composition of two plugins < 1310044330 870303 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : The following semantics are used: . f g xs == g xs >>= f < 1310044375 555129 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@. pl t \x -> x < 1310044375 785814 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `compose' failed with: Unknown command: "t" < 1310044378 850115 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit. < 1310044382 618031 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type id < 1310044383 373664 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. a -> a < 1310044387 630787 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@. pl type \x -> x < 1310044388 421259 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(line 1, column 13): < 1310044388 583606 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected ">" or "-" < 1310044388 746031 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :expecting variable, "(", ".", "`", "!!", operator or end of input < 1310044396 541436 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \x -> x < 1310044396 731813 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :id < 1310044417 25742 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait it does g first. < 1310044422 949468 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@. type pl \x -> x < 1310044423 756102 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. a -> a < 1310044434 893052 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is @. < 1310044461 872393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It composes two lambdabot commands. < 1310044564 881880 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh... < 1310044567 535063 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :when would you need that < 1310044945 80418 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, what was that video? < 1310045012 309361 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That you linked to? < 1310045153 309401 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program is lunatic rave 2, which is a beatmania IIDX emulator, IIDX being the series of 7key+1turntable rhythm games by konami < 1310045160 623925 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the song is kirby dirge by fether < 1310045224 569977 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, kirby dirge is the genre, the song name is actually something like Piano Concerto No. 1 "Scorpion Fire" (For Kirby) < 1310045234 270396 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the chart is the overjoy**7 which is one of the hardest in existence < 1310045239 174260 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's being played by che. it's not a fail but it's an A grade < 1310045296 194447 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should give you enough information to google further anything you're curious about < 1310047813 892669 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1310048465 501113 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1310048490 657611 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1310050195 52082 :foocraft_!~ewanas@89.211.136.69 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310050394 909261 :foocraft!~ewanas@89.211.209.117 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1310051274 176129 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: huh, i never thought that the human being can pass it even with an easy gauge. < 1310051361 145416 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's on the limit of human possibility. che can't pass it < 1310051376 772312 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh wait, he did not pass. < 1310051379 123463 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1310051507 519374 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it never gets above 200 bpm jacks per column, which a few people can vibrate at with impeccable control. but doing it for 7+1 columns all at once is asking a lot < 1310051683 313632 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ~1900 notes per minute. crazy enough. < 1310051765 156118 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDppGonwmb4 < 1310051769 26968 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :for academic interest < 1310051781 859465 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the past i did play such a game, but i never managed above 600 notes per minute. < 1310051794 595163 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :this chart is roughly equivalent density but half as many columns < 1310051822 505641 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :safe mode triggered XD, but i suppose it a stepmania session < 1310051838 527026 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, safe mode? < 1310051869 178605 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i have no youtube account) < 1310051887 313257 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, the video I linked you to is considered mature? < 1310051946 936780 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like so. < 1310051952 273915 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't ask me anything, and I'm not logged in to the tube. < 1310051962 356015 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, < 1310051964 168439 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's 'fucking' in the description < 1310051965 676372 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that do it? < 1310051971 170708 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/user/geniusleonid#p/a/u/1/zDppGonwmb4 maybe try this link < 1310051972 348196 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly. < 1310051998 826361 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still blocked. < 1310052012 79679 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmm < 1310052087 489267 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet if I could link you directly to the video it'd work thn < 1310052104 239678 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/v/zDppGonwmb4?version=3 < 1310052197 761169 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: indeed... maybe a safe mode is not for embedded videos then? < 1310052225 822979 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you don't load the description your naughty words filter won't see the word 'fucking' < 1310052248 639312 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it is possible that this block is specific to South Korea < 1310053074 327747 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1310054738 246965 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1310054796 66590 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310056599 774065 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i53.tinypic.com/2m68ghk.png < 1310056600 372473 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1310056603 182608 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game's threatening me < 1310056742 188414 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're about to drown? < 1310056794 218155 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what would be awesome? someone should recreate that scene from the shining, but use lava instead of blood < 1310056906 879397 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, look what's on the ground. < 1310057317 951915 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : i kind of like "computing theorist" but it sounds really pretentious :D < 1310057325 78179 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that still includes the word prefix "comput" < 1310057329 576549 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what needs to be avoided. < 1310057358 910512 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No, because it is computing theory < 1310057368 561747 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the theory of computation < 1310057383 435279 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :just point out to people that it's called computer /science/ < 1310057385 11799 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: The idea here is to make it so idiots don't say "CAN YOU FIX MY COMPUTER?" < 1310057407 891892 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: tell them to go ask a biologist what cold medicine they should take < 1310057426 439674 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yeah, that works REALLY well. < 1310057431 946060 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing as that they don't know what a biologist is either. < 1310057491 908079 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, just get the shirt < 1310057504 536917 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conflicts with my glorious neckties. < 1310057512 598558 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1310057827 281800 :fALSO!~falso@deadbsd.org PART :#esoteric < 1310058434 766520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1310058502 241374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an intriguing topic indeed < 1310058586 493941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's prolly a pretty common problem, i should check the bulleting board downstairs < 1310058600 412913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably a bit narrow, but try checking for subreddits. < 1310059115 539676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hates it when logreading and all the people he wants to respond to are offline
< 1310059211 798864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1310059214 650353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : kind of surprised mplus isn't ++ < 1310059227 288650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it _was_ in haskell 1.4 < 1310059250 273185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mat.uc.pt/~pedro/cientificos/funcional/haskell-report-1.4-html/standard-prelude.html < 1310059251 256387 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-56.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well I'M not offline < 1310059265 468795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why i responded to you < 1310059277 745109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :patashu and phantom_hoover, on the other hand... < 1310059323 714024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you people who are online but have idled for hours are also somewhat annoying < 1310059365 461521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly the only polite thing to do is to be awake and on irc always < 1310059395 272115 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-56.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i just came < 1310059695 395347 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1310062553 385764 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-2-232.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310063372 822664 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1310063393 280042 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1310063394 853534 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan NICK :Lymee < 1310063824 146624 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310064397 189158 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-56.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: party! < 1310064439 607889 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok just came < 1310064520 383891 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :taupe < 1310064632 93936 :jix!jix@tomakin.h-ix.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1310064646 486904 :jix!jix@tomakin.h-ix.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310065199 840396 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:45:53: i never understood minecraft < 1310065200 13026 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:46:06: and why people pay for a game that looks like its been made in 1985 < 1310065200 175089 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:47:13: and whats all the hype about < 1310065203 593114 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, he's gone < 1310065277 482856 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1310065336 490596 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:35:30: kind of surprised mplus isn't ++ < 1310065336 652955 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:36:06: or, at least, I'm surprised ++ isn't a method. < 1310065336 815403 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:36:16: of any typeclass. < 1310065342 734358 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: all the list stuff is list-specific, unfortunately < 1310065344 760166 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle Foldable < 1310065345 21765 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :module Data.Foldable < 1310065345 183561 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Foldable class Foldable t < 1310065348 925582 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle fold < 1310065349 163775 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Foldable fold :: (Foldable t, Monoid m) => t m -> m < 1310065349 326032 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.IntMap fold :: (a -> b -> b) -> b -> IntMap a -> b < 1310065349 488713 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.IntSet fold :: (Int -> b -> b) -> b -> IntSet -> b < 1310065379 797167 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: list comprehensions used to be full monadic comprehensions too, but they were downgraded in haskell ninetyeight to make errors simpler < 1310065456 184726 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blargh. < 1310065613 400388 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:17:49: (i have no youtube account) < 1310065619 574915 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: you do, if you have a google account < 1310065620 329932 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ? < 1310065641 609577 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: technically yes, but i never logged on youtube using a google account < 1310065665 319507 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:20:14: kind of surprised mplus isn't ++ < 1310065665 548481 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:20:27: it _was_ in haskell 1.4 < 1310065669 393475 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh it was?? < 1310065673 348738 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did ninetyeight add again < 1310065675 450949 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can we go back < 1310065710 139692 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Eval a where < 1310065710 388854 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric : seq :: a -> b -> b < 1310065710 552965 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric : strict :: (a -> b) -> a -> b < 1310065710 553155 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric : strict f x = x `seq` f x < 1310065715 46230 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wowv < 1310065716 280744 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow! < 1310065752 31626 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph, map was generic but fold wasn't < 1310065771 167823 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Just Blargh. < 1310065777 554693 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Also, what's with your underscore? :P < 1310065784 892600 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been there for days ... < 1310065936 456388 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Hmm < 1310065945 243862 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1310065952 787955 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the underscore is gone. < 1310065958 485825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1310065966 819159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I've no idea to what you refer. < 1310065977 340271 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither do I. < 1310065980 444930 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must have been delusional. < 1310066086 660054 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.245.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310066090 548115 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.245.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You fucking asshole, my router disconnected me for assuming that name. < 1310066094 574867 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.245.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am deadly serious. < 1310066096 661690 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1310066099 985018 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.245.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just power cycled. < 1310066104 276757 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... lul < 1310066108 513187 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.245.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... can never be elliott again. < 1310066113 163841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the Eval class was removed because it was horrible to have to include which types seq was used on in each function type < 1310066147 578399 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: You can be ehird :P < 1310066156 364280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, it may have been haskell's equivalent to java's checked exceptions :P < 1310066207 640164 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.245.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: the Eval class was removed because it was horrible to have to include which types seq was used on in each function type < 1310066208 578581 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.245.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1310066209 762613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course some may think monads still are) < 1310066219 662304 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.245.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: erm, wait, why? < 1310066222 427465 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.245.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the type is not a variable < 1310066224 345640 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.245.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's an instance < 1310066227 787270 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.245.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should not have to name (Seq T) => < 1310066235 222612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true < 1310066239 620262 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.245.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean like polymorphic things < 1310066248 202225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but presumably for polymorphic things < 1310066248 940595 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.245.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case, sequencing them _should_ require an annotation if not everything is seqable < 1310066250 62524 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.245.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah okay < 1310066250 485745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1310066333 320316 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY ELIOT WHATS WITH UR NICK < 1310066391 441605 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.245.90 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1310066410 48017 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.245.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310066412 616648 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.245.90 QUIT :Changing host < 1310066412 778903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1310066953 498980 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310066968 104401 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hamsters are clearly not TC. < 1310066970 548267 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also GTG. < 1310066984 498264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1310067008 985869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NorAdder.svg < 1310067011 107016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this is clear as mud < 1310067271 713109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fulladd a b cin (s,cout) = do < 1310067271 875527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : [n] <- vars ["N"] < 1310067271 875718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : n <== a `xor` b < 1310067271 875827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : s <== n `xor` cin < 1310067271 875932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : cout <== (a `and` b) `or` (n `and` cin) < 1310067272 238593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, there's this < 1310067285 478785 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1310068126 366379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: uh, do ripple carry adders take a carry as an input? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:4-bit_ripple_carry_adder.svg suggests so, but the article says you can replace the first full adder with a half adder < 1310068131 869592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which wouldn't work if it can take a carry < 1310068743 293549 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-241-58.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use a full adder then it can take a carry, otherwise it can't. :) < 1310068768 513428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not helpful :P < 1310068774 436939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do full adders generally take a carry < 1310068849 40245 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that what differentiates full- and half-adders < 1310068879 613145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1310068880 515038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1310068883 908419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do full-full adders generally take a carry < 1310068884 426047 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that full-s take a carry and half-s don't < 1310068884 785427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1310068888 515709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiple-bit adders < 1310068891 695498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ripple carry or whatever < 1310068894 419123 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1310068898 667883 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want them to???? < 1310068945 558916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT HELPFUL >:( < 1310069016 245903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao i am reinventing half of York Lava < 1310069020 634945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gj elliott gj < 1310069196 184551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should rename Var to Bit just to reinforce how much I'm ripping it off < 1310069199 566389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unintentionally) < 1310069215 740264 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/york-lava/0.2/doc/html/src/Lava-Vector.html#N0 rip this part off too < 1310069293 790807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you could do either < 1310069303 378867 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how unhelpful < 1310069312 614242 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, on x86 I think you have a carry from the eFLAGS register already perhaps < 1310069319 395738 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that ADC as opposed to ADD perhaps < 1310069330 332258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(add with carry, or add without using carry flag) < 1310069404 290397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: that's type-level nats :P < 1310069405 283900 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Add with carry is useful to do a fast 64-bit add on a 32-bit system for example < 1310069412 896161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so you just reuse carry from lower half < 1310069417 648101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: right, it's just a bigger circuit :D < 1310069422 151233 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, slightly < 1310069426 270861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1310069427 771817 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and then, a few hundred lines down, values for each of them < 1310069428 179993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is minecraft < 1310069431 363605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything has to be tiny < 1310069434 605061 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in minecraft it is going to be fucking large anyway < 1310069445 662742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: its not like you can do better without TH < 1310069445 948622 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway you should do carry-lookahead XD < 1310069451 463209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what, a ripple adder? < 1310069459 918992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a four-bit one should be of acceptable size. < 1310069477 827868 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how obscenely slow will ripple-carry be in minecraft < 1310069480 931021 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ripple added means you have to wait for the carry to ripple through all 128 bits or whatever < 1310069481 559865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: remember -- humans construct generally flat circuits in MC < 1310069482 474980 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I support using a fancier adder, as well < 1310069489 115729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: one hundred twenty eight bits? < 1310069490 345421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1310069492 466716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you need that many < 1310069493 576381 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, carry lookahead is a way to reduce that time < 1310069496 270298 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay 32 bit < 1310069497 852232 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :still < 1310069500 363929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you need that many < 1310069501 986971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to take ages < 1310069506 856714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you need that many < 1310069508 892150 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, IPv6 router! < 1310069513 307106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no I don't know) < 1310069521 105025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not going to construct a fucking CPU beyond something eight or MAYBE sixteen bit < 1310069526 817258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, point is, even for much much smaller sizes it helps < 1310069530 939546 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :read up on it < 1310069543 706191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bigger circuit dude < 1310069556 904182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :speed is irrelevant, redstone is fast enough for a small enough number of bits < 1310069561 526453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what matters is getting it small enough < 1310069570 80503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you realise that redstone transmits instantly right? < 1310069575 161945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't take a tick for things to travel along a wire < 1310069575 688837 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1310069584 298922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so OR is actually completely free. < 1310070201 142511 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : so OR is actually completely free. < 1310070202 355109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes < 1310070210 455177 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless current flowing back into inputs is an issue < 1310070217 897344 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, say you have A or B and B or C < 1310070228 557042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then if A is true and you wire it stupidly, B OR C will give true < 1310070333 817890 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1310070365 919669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeaaah, im not sure whether I should make OR use a repeater to avoid that, or whether to just solve it with wiring? < 1310070370 669113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if you have like a door as an input < 1310070374 187451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that could fuck things up < 1310070727 788772 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1310071013 142008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that makes things even uglier though :( < 1310072451 262069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :add4 (a0,a1,a2,a3) (b0,b1,b2,b3) c0 ((s0,s1,s2,s3),c4) = do < 1310072451 667345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : [c1,c2,c3] <- vars ["C1","C2","C3"] < 1310072451 829468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (s0,c1) <== fulladd a0 b0 c0 < 1310072451 829635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (s1,c2) <== fulladd a1 b1 c1 < 1310072451 829743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (s2,c3) <== fulladd a2 b2 c2 < 1310072452 234071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (s3,c4) <== fulladd a3 b3 c3 < 1310072454 402825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, this is just a monadic fold, isn't it... < 1310072460 923070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to copy another piece of york-lava < 1310072780 155258 :foocraft_!~ewanas@89.211.136.69 NICK :foocraft < 1310072874 561236 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: yeaaah, im not sure whether I should make OR use a repeater to avoid that, or whether to just solve it with wiring? <-- add a repeater if it is needed < 1310072875 450255 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1310072882 252577 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do path analysis or something < 1310072889 32032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: >_< < 1310072895 933314 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1310072896 487517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I mean follow inputs back from from OR gates, check if they are safe < 1310072900 318767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i don't even know how to write a synthesiser, shut up :D < 1310072914 187438 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this is *relatively* simple < 1310072948 905799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that affects timing though :( < 1310072953 132312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really need to figure out how to handle timing properly < 1310072996 931995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes indeed, that is one of the more complex bits < 1310073020 707610 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you will need to add repeaters sometimes anyway < 1310073037 411046 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-56.vpn.utu.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1310073083 360480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: im distracting myself by making a generic adder-creator < 1310073089 501812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just give it the number of bits and ~VOILA~ < 1310073112 79633 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 256 < 1310073120 617408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: currently every time you use the adder it embeds the entire adder into your circuit, I guess I really need some way to assemble separate components and wire them together... < 1310073125 407678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is hard < 1310073172 316824 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then you need to do CSE between adders and so on < 1310073178 489678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no < 1310073188 41734 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually MC is more like ASIC than FPGA < 1310073189 464737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i just need a way to synthesise adders separately and give them input and output wires < 1310073195 962482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can plug other components in < 1310073213 954862 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, make it a module in your vhdl-esque < 1310073223 577331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its ok, just means that a "design" can contain more than one circuit < 1310073228 110290 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, with a "binary" implementation < 1310073235 156948 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can do tricks < 1310073239 492155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean < 1310073273 408662 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well what I mean is, that you can give it a special hardwired redstone implementation that it can route, but it possibly can't synth on it's own from the language < 1310073288 948125 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, making it is a sort of "primitive" or whatever < 1310073291 616263 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@unaffiliated/beedaweeda QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1310073293 61307 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well special component < 1310073303 470997 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, think like __builtin_foo in gcc or such < 1310073312 881613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame :( < 1310073329 980338 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, except users could supply those as well < 1310073339 540846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want anything unsynthesisable to be specifiable :) < 1310073345 761407 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway you might need a few of those anyway for the basics, AND OR NOR etc < 1310073356 566456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already have those < 1310073360 798705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Primitives, I mean < 1310073361 187481 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it can be synthed, just you can't describe it in your HLL < 1310073364 480042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm considering removing NOR < 1310073371 21020 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay better analogy, like asm() in gcc < 1310073371 526521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's literally just OR with NOT applied to it < 1310073373 443316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :smushed into one block < 1310073387 183997 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, allow you to do stuff that can be synthed but the normal language can't /quite/ capture < 1310073393 342934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: shrug -- maybe, but this should generate a small adder < 1310073404 409140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a bunch of xor, and, and ors chained together :) < 1310073411 898589 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : since it's literally just OR with NOT applied to it <-- different if you do it on a raised block *and don't put redstone on top of it* < 1310073416 920980 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then the inputs will be isolated < 1310073427 426373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: augh < 1310073428 264596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you put redstone on top of the block the torch is on, it isn't < 1310073480 505326 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310073490 981563 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@unaffiliated/beedaweeda JOIN :#esoteric < 1310073513 23302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Phantom_Hoover (~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486) has joined #esoteric < 1310073513 185342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* BeedaWeeda (~port72.c@unaffiliated/beedaweeda) has joined #esoteric < 1310073515 534903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :draw your own conclusions < 1310073556 853313 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ... < 1310073789 375625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what < 1310073796 887595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i should expand my thing to support simulation < 1310073797 448171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1310073804 793717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just that itll be a pain < 1310073805 203169 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is probably easier < 1310073810 559672 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :than synth < 1310073821 166517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, unless you mean cycle accurate simulation < 1310073824 464882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, its just that i keep wanting to do it like york lava, but i cant, because my model is imperative :D < 1310073828 956946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case you can add that after < 1310073830 96480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm unless... hmm < 1310073839 784511 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you saying i'm Phantom_Hoover ? < 1310073843 614912 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait imperative? < 1310073844 892400 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1310073846 462859 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crap. < 1310073848 151501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, XD < 1310073849 270583 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong window. < 1310073851 39884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: :D < 1310073857 938061 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1310073860 348074 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1310073864 208453 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1310073864 907953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: york lava taught me that cycle-accurate simulation is easy! < 1310073865 283361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1310073869 636080 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, VHDL isn't imperative... it is kind of event driven < 1310073873 509291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, wait imperative? < 1310073873 851120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1310073875 968036 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, with an imperativish syntax < 1310073876 130310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :VHDL-style imperative < 1310073881 4464 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, vhdl is not imperative < 1310073887 365321 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, event driven kind of < 1310073892 789907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more imperative than Lava-style transformations < 1310073900 257121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly < 1310073908 444398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. < 1310073911 961361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Lava> simulateN 3 $ map inv [low, high, low] < 1310073912 139075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[high,low,high],[high,low,high],[high,low,high]] < 1310073918 139030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : halfAdd :: Bit -> Bit -> (Bit, Bit) < 1310073918 490087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : halfAdd a b = (sum, carry) < 1310073918 652673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : where < 1310073918 652841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : sum = a <#> b < 1310073918 652949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : carry = a <&> b < 1310073925 255197 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't know how to read that < 1310073932 275465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :first two lines are ghc repl < 1310073935 93327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lava> is prompt < 1310073940 617920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lines after that are regular .hs haskell code < 1310073952 586273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1310073953 817007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--ghci-- < 1310073953 993120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Lava> simulateN 3 $ map inv [low, high, low] < 1310073954 348678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[high,low,high],[high,low,high],[high,low,high]] < 1310073954 528735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- < 1310073958 961811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--haskell file-- < 1310073959 646589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : halfAdd :: Bit -> Bit -> (Bit, Bit) < 1310073959 818631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : halfAdd a b = (sum, carry) < 1310073959 981126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : where < 1310073961 225132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : sum = a <#> b < 1310073963 169136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : carry = a <&> b < 1310073965 112554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- < 1310073966 354285 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'd say VHDL is more functional, TBh. < 1310073979 17020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Umm... no? < 1310073979 372947 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're just specifying multiple functions in one. < 1310073986 49535 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1310073991 640414 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1310074000 275379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, Lava does simulation like this: < 1310074000 799538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- | Logic '0'. < 1310074001 160582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :low :: Bit < 1310074001 323460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :low = makeComponent "low" < 1310074001 323644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : {- Inputs: -} [] < 1310074001 485746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : {- Outputs: -} 1 < 1310074003 465994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : {- Simulate: -} (\[] -> [repeat False]) < 1310074005 211266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : {- Params: -} [] < 1310074007 314550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : {- Continue: -} (\[o] -> o) < 1310074009 272941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1310074011 203626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- | Inverter. < 1310074013 330900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :inv :: Bit -> Bit < 1310074015 238277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :inv a = makeComponent "inv" < 1310074017 343737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : {- Inputs: -} [a] < 1310074019 279710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : {- Outputs: -} 1 < 1310074021 228498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : {- Simulate: -} (\[a] -> [map not a]) < 1310074023 322703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : {- Params: -} [] < 1310074025 427918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : {- Continue: -} (\[o] -> o) < 1310074083 348665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i.e. since everything is just functional transformation on (symbolic) bits, it can literally just do the logical operation on its inputs < 1310074087 777296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for each cycle < 1310074121 362564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: how is VHDL more functional than York Lava? < 1310074132 351925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :halfAdd a b = (a <#> b, a <&> b) < 1310074133 69963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :compare to < 1310074135 882751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pseudoVHDL) < 1310074141 956268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :halfAdd(a,b,s,c) < 1310074143 512180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :begin < 1310074152 489414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s <= a and b; < 1310074154 804969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1310074155 339023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xor < 1310074158 557352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :c <== a and b; < 1310074159 290824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :end < 1310074164 859852 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1310074165 861891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get the idea < 1310074173 814255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying that VHDL is imperative < 1310074182 814746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you have to declare all the wires < 1310074190 258151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not /compositional/ < 1310074213 954195 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: havenworks.com Not Available :((((( < 1310074220 187834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: been like that for months < 1310074236 274426 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know til now < 1310074240 167772 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad day < 1310074257 800709 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you download a copy while it was up? < 1310074265 970431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I did, but I might have trashed it since < 1310074267 582965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask Gregor :P < 1310074305 173299 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1310074350 360620 :foocraft!~ewanas@89.211.136.69 QUIT :Quit: if you're going....to san. fran. cisco!!! < 1310074473 86777 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310074494 959912 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, my fonts are all messed up. < 1310074567 462071 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310074580 304151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone get testBit removed from Data.Bits.Bits for me? thx. < 1310074599 328145 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1310074741 688323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310074778 791519 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1310074790 110256 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it with people *celebrating* over the closure of NotW? < 1310074861 493688 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like they don't realise it's an extremely dirty tactic by News Corp. < 1310074895 808146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, NotW? < 1310074905 118356 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, News of the World. < 1310074907 570177 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1310074910 946361 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heard about that < 1310074977 62452 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :People just hear the news and thing "yay it's gone!" without realising that it allows NC to distance those responsible. < 1310075005 108984 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see nothing good about the move < 1310075034 234158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : What is it with people *celebrating* over the closure of NotW? < 1310075046 175209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be a dirty tactic, but it still results in the NotW no longer being published or made, which is a Good Thing. < 1310075052 667626 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except no. < 1310075053 759354 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1310075067 405301 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're making the Sun come out 7 days instead of 6. < 1310075077 432666 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they actually had no real choice < 1310075078 170165 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. they're renaming NotW to the Sunday Sun. < 1310075095 588974 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously they're just trying to cover their asses here < 1310075112 237690 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they aren't trying to make everyone forget < 1310075117 525383 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're trying to make the advertisers forget < 1310075121 432812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, sure, but then we just have to destroy the (Green) Sun, rather than the Sun /and/ NotW. < 1310075132 745931 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ahahahahahahahahaha < 1310075148 174557 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK that was a joke I know.) < 1310075186 295450 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way that they warned Andy Coulson that they were going to arrest him, though. < 1310075193 115914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It was... a half-joke. It /does/ reduce our number of targets by one. :p < 1310075209 694812 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that... doesn't even make sense. < 1310075213 546428 :karlmoore!~karlmoore@host-92-6-148-44.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310075227 318641 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no way the Sun is going to stop being published. Full stop. < 1310075236 320144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It would, if we were crusaders with the power to blow up newspapers' platonic existence. < 1310075243 144088 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Depressing, isn't it? < 1310075262 218017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, we just need to expose every single person involved in the Sun as a paedophile. < 1310075270 703719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly it is the only way. < 1310075274 955154 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: obviously < 1310075278 152502 :karlmoore!~karlmoore@host-92-6-148-44.as43234.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1310075284 716678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hope karlmoore enjoyed that. < 1310075290 397671 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is probably not too hard given News Corp's apparent security level < 1310075291 971947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff) (hist) . . N Category:Declarative paradigm‎; 12:57 . . (+223) . . Timwi (Talk | contribs) (New page: The '''declarative paradigm''' is where a program consists of declarations that define its structure/functionality. This is the opposite of the ''imperative paradigm'' in which programs co...) < 1310075294 851268 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, the problem is that people think that NotW being closed will mean that idiocy will vanish overnight. < 1310075296 579096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hnnnnng < 1310075310 542954 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh dear < 1310075350 178477 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-2-232.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1310075356 242125 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than realising that the only upshot of the closure is that the people responsible for the phone hacking will be that much better protected. < 1310075410 485413 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then people will just have to try harder to find more scandal < 1310075415 69701 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish this continent worked like yours < 1310075428 744390 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, how does yours work. < 1310075447 784214 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody cares about scandals like that < 1310075482 17743 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...tampering with evidence in a murder case? < 1310075490 953614 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd've though that's a major scandal anywhere. < 1310075571 279897 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would have seen a little bit of news < 1310075577 615729 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably prosecution < 1310075587 312264 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no real serious outrage like that, I don't think < 1310075689 361323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it would, it involves a dead kid < 1310075807 633580 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1310075902 261681 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they destroyed evidence, rather than just tampering. < 1310075954 913641 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you'd be surprised < 1310075958 418263 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: so? < 1310076934 392923 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1310076956 586040 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote wtf < 1310076960 538106 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :131) alise: why internet is like wtf \ 136) And... WTF is it doing. :( Is it sexing? \ 197) pikhq, Okinawan? Wtf is that \ 236) elliott: just to bring you up to speed, you are now my baby nephew. wtf, elliott is a nephew and his uncle is here? what < 1310076986 222010 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: by the way, you're now almost capable of crawling. < 1310077007 132285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: It's so much harder than the walking I'm accustomed to. < 1310077018 342028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote elliott: by the way, you're now almost capable of crawling. < 1310077019 737542 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :488) elliott: by the way, you're now almost capable of crawling. < 1310077687 783169 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1310077925 973291 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@user-12hcrs5.cable.mindspring.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1310077926 135642 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@user-12hcrs5.cable.mindspring.com QUIT :Changing host < 1310077926 135800 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1310078098 884226 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1310078283 722264 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-74-71-134.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310078284 14261 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-74-71-134.telstraclear.net QUIT :Changing host < 1310078284 176490 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1310079346 710698 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310079356 49039 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@unaffiliated/beedaweeda QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1310079447 891770 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@unaffiliated/beedaweeda JOIN :#esoteric < 1310079761 821187 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310079834 737946 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1310080051 924641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-types-of-programmers-youll-encounter-in-the-field/262 < 1310080056 308407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a shitty post < 1310080068 778256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Theoretician knows everything there is to know about programming. He or she can spend four hours lecturing about the history of an obscure programming language or providing a proof of how the code you wrote is less than perfectly optimal and may take an extra three nanoseconds to run. The problem is, The Theoretician does not know a thing about software development. When The Theoretician writes code, it is so “elegant” that mere mortals ca < 1310080068 953267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sense of it. His or her favorite technique is recursion, and every block of code is tweaked to the max, at the expense of timelines and readability. < 1310080070 188295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Theoretician is also easily distracted. A simple task that should take an hour takes Theoreticians three months, since they decide that the existing tools are not sufficient and they must build new tools to build new libraries to build a whole new system that meets their high standards. The Theoretician can be turned into one of your best players, if you can get him or her to play within the boundaries of the project itself and stop spending ti < 1310080072 983982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rking on The Ultimate Sorting Algorithm." < 1310080074 803647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL THOSE HASKELL PROGRAMMERS < 1310080076 873221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO USELESS < 1310080229 943652 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not allowed to talk about antiïntellectualism, am I? < 1310080236 632166 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER < 1310080751 212538 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@unaffiliated/beedaweeda PRIVMSG #esoteric :that guy Elliott Hird is a sex offender, i found him on englands sex offender registry < 1310080756 176758 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@unaffiliated/beedaweeda PRIVMSG #esoteric :rape by force < 1310080759 492490 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@unaffiliated/beedaweeda PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a minor < 1310080813 343633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeedaWeeda: Were I not underage, I would be out for your fucking head. < 1310080821 574602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it is I'll just wait for your inevitable ban. < 1310080859 924129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeedaWeeda: btw, you're a piece of shit, die in a fucking fire < 1310081311 201569 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep.
< 1310081319 682578 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1310081486 8812 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: now is the best time to be out for his head. better to be tried as a juvenile. < 1310081530 164862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I suppose it's fairly likely he'll be a repeat offender < 1310081539 535452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he'll actually find someone who's an adult next time < 1310081685 120946 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, re: theoretician. calling that type of programmer a theoretician is offensive to theory folk. whoever wrote this is gay. < 1310081761 453966 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@unaffiliated/beedaweeda PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION laughs
< 1310081782 998823 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@unaffiliated/beedaweeda PRIVMSG #esoteric :youre just taking what i used on you and your trying to spin it around and use it on me < 1310081786 929201 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@unaffiliated/beedaweeda PRIVMSG #esoteric :how pathetic < 1310081816 876290 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1310081964 520580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to use what? Bludgeoning? < 1310081984 159064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, that is one of the absolute worst things you can say about a person, you are a worthless piece of shit. < 1310082060 684682 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@unaffiliated/beedaweeda PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1310082088 944305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You realise what kind of shit that would put a person in if (a) everyone in here didn't already know you were a piece of shit and (b) I wasn't a minor? < 1310082097 964465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course you do, or you wouldn't have done it. < 1310082141 49715 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also, no one in this article looks like the average hacker. i don't get it. < 1310082165 36566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: probably because the author considers themselves one < 1310082173 109871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, anyone who identifies as an "average hacker" is probably really annoying < 1310082179 490907 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@unaffiliated/beedaweeda PRIVMSG #esoteric :you getting upset like that makes me smile < 1310082183 834976 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1310082186 87761 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the author of the article < 1310082224 620576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeedaWeeda: You're really bad at reading emotions; I'm not upset at all, I just think you're a worthless human being. < 1310082263 505188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is absolutely no way what you did will affect me in any way, so I don't give a shit that you did it from a personal perspective; it's just a really terrible thing to do and you are a terrible piece of shit. < 1310082308 537255 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@unaffiliated/beedaweeda PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have provoked hatred and anger within you and thats very obvious by the way your typing < 1310082311 781492 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-241-58.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeedaWeeda: Fuck off and die in a fire. < 1310082314 833548 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with elliott. you are the least amusing troll i have ever witnessed. < 1310082319 162082 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-241-58.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1310082332 273743 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're gonna troll, make me laugh. geez. < 1310082337 927862 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@unaffiliated/beedaweeda PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1310082389 280680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeedaWeeda: I'm angry in the sense that you should be made to realise how terrible that was, maybe by experiencing what people who have been falsely accused of child molestation have experienced, but I'm not angry at all. You realise that it takes no emotional investment to type words on IRC? < 1310082389 442741 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@unaffiliated/beedaweeda PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at that anger < 1310082396 19725 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@unaffiliated/beedaweeda PRIVMSG #esoteric :i won that im making you guys so angry < 1310082406 130087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: YOU ARE A FUCKING TERRIBLE PERSON DIE < 1310082408 402674 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :take a victory lap please < 1310082411 189628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That took approximately 0 units of angry. < 1310082414 325034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: off a short pier? < 1310082417 315585 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1310082437 382569 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im so angry im typing in lowercase without any punctuation look at me go < 1310082446 889740 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beedaweeda what have you done < 1310082447 243650 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@unaffiliated/beedaweeda PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy takes his online reputation seriously < 1310082449 494588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: TYPING IN LOWERCASE IS FUCKING UNACCEPTABLE < 1310082452 123316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE DIEEEEEEEEEEEE < 1310082476 13793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeedaWeeda: conversely, you want someone to dig up your real name and let everyone know you're a child molester? < 1310082487 462547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: btw he needs banning < 1310082496 30974 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@unaffiliated/beedaweeda PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive been convicted before but never a sex offense lol < 1310082496 544236 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1310082502 20614 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@unaffiliated/beedaweeda PRIVMSG #esoteric :=D < 1310082529 720936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I was an eye for an eye kind of guy, I would imply that BeedaWeeda is saying he got away with all _his_ child molestations. < 1310082540 326156 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@unaffiliated/beedaweeda PRIVMSG #esoteric :=/ < 1310082549 752529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHA LOOK AT THAT ANGER < 1310082553 686520 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@unaffiliated/beedaweeda PRIVMSG #esoteric :your just trying to spin around what i used on you originally < 1310082557 526334 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@unaffiliated/beedaweeda PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1310082569 737018 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely to hide your fury no less < 1310082573 401506 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@unaffiliated/beedaweeda PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAME < 1310082574 521989 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@unaffiliated/beedaweeda PRIVMSG #esoteric :BORING! < 1310082608 144735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HRRR SO BORING BEEDAWEEDA SO ANGRY < 1310082642 832790 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't hurt him elliott. i know he wouldn't like you when you're angry :P < 1310082679 923980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm perpetually angry at everything, but BeedaWeeda's permanent ruination of my reputation has caused me to enter DOUBLE ANGER. < 1310082768 42956 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1310082855 399762 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who the fuck is BeedaWeeda? < 1310082875 98807 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a really cool dude that's who < 1310082887 529850 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ol/ntemptible/ < 1310082973 188696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: He came in here to prove that aliens exist and talked about UFOs and holes in megalithic structures for a while, then we got bored of prodding him and I told him he was an idiot, he got upset because we HURT HIS FEELINGS WITH CLOSED-MINDEDNESS, came back, and has since really lamely trolled for a few days. < 1310083000 594960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the progression from talking about wanting to have sex with Casey Anthony to accusing me of child molestation is rather swift one. < 1310083030 659423 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@unaffiliated/beedaweeda PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolutely < 1310083083 829917 :BeedaWeeda!~port72.c@unaffiliated/beedaweeda PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy cares about his internet rep so much that he will start yelling in caps over an IRC chat room < 1310083180 88945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1310083182 18751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use caps all the time < 1310083191 906279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no bold on IRC, well there is, but +c is on so I can't use it