00:10:30 wait what 00:10:32 elliott: you may be right. i genuinely wanted to learn, but i apologize if that was insensitive, etc. 00:10:37 i said o? :D 00:10:47 yes you did 00:10:47 i have no idea when i did that 00:11:13 hey oklofok 00:11:16 quintopia: yeah, ok 00:11:26 oklofok: do you want to server 00:12:05 oerjan: did you hear the great news, i'm not almost sure that my characterization works 00:12:20 elliott: i have to watch a few more eps and get to work but sure 00:12:32 Eps of what? 00:12:34 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:12:35 -!- pikhq has joined. 00:12:43 erm or no i don't want to server, i thought you said do i want the server 00:12:52 Phantom_Hoover: rewatching hustle 00:13:07 The British show about conmen? 00:13:08 oklofok: but we need TESTERS. 00:13:11 yes 00:13:26 surprisingly enough, i think it's great 00:13:34 like every other show i've watched 00:13:47 oklofok, you should totally join the official #esoteric Homestuck club. 00:14:18 i still don't really know what homestuck is 00:14:22 perhaps i never will 00:14:41 You would have to consult arcane texts on the matter. 00:14:42 it's a virus. 00:14:47 Such as Homestuck. 00:14:48 but with points 00:14:50 its kind of like an rpg 00:14:56 you have to spread it to as many computers as you can. 00:15:02 it was made by a sick, demented man known only as Satan. 00:16:08 oerjan: did you hear the great news, i'm not almost sure that my characterization works <-- freudian slip? 00:16:22 xD 00:16:44 wow. 00:16:46 *now 00:16:46 YOU SUBCONSCIOUS MAY DISAGREE 00:16:56 well i convinced one guy already 00:17:05 poor deluded fool 00:17:09 but no one at the uni so will have to wait for a while 00:17:25 only me and people holding summer internships 00:18:04 was the guy a hobo 00:18:11 he was mister x 00:21:03 -!- oklopol has joined. 00:21:50 *i* am the office hobo 00:22:42 -!- oklofok has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:23:10 in my dream, i was finland 00:23:41 and america was trying to sleep with norway but she did not want to convert to euro, so she refused. 00:24:09 also norway was my cousin and america was a character from hustle 00:24:28 oklopol: http://satwcomic.com/ , hth 00:24:31 oh and i was trying to find gold at the beach inside the palace of my friend who lived in rome 00:25:05 seen that 00:25:11 summa that at least 00:26:56 * oerjan considers archive binging it 00:30:13 -!- pikhq has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:30:54 ? 00:31:03 oh 00:31:15 missed the word archive 00:31:42 Yup, definitely bricked my router. 00:31:44 Great. 00:32:20 do you mean you took it in the ass from a truck driver 00:32:50 or was it a euphemism? 00:34:20 Sounds about right. 00:34:22 Gregor: How 00:34:47 elliott: Trying to upgrade my (custom) firmware. Downloaded the WRT54G firmware instead of the WRT54G2 firmware. 00:35:25 a great day for masonry 00:36:47 Gregor: Noice :P 00:38:38 * Phantom_Hoover → sleep 00:38:40 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 00:39:01 -!- pikhq has joined. 00:40:53 Gregor: I doubt "bricked" is accurate :P 00:41:50 nope its a brick 00:42:46 -!- Maharba has joined. 00:43:46 hi Maharba 00:43:59 -!- Maharba has left. 00:44:04 bye maharba 00:44:09 bye maharba 00:44:16 -!- elliott has set topic: Esoteric programming languages | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. 00:44:22 monqy: quick bring them back 00:44:32 its too late 00:44:35 their gone 00:44:36 they parted, not /quit :P 00:44:47 whois says otherwise 00:44:53 darn 00:45:27 * oerjan checks what the previous topic was 00:45:43 jesus has coeliac disease? 00:46:45 long story :D 00:50:42 ic 01:08:00 elliott: Special JTAG cable + soldering required to unbrick. 01:08:09 elliott: Cost of equipment to fix router is greater than cost of a new router :P 01:08:45 elliott: not necessarily. Wouldn't Signal a t allow either discrete or continuous? Basically I write functions that except both or only one kind of signal, without having to use a typeclass to convert everything to discrete. 01:09:09 and without having to use Either. 01:10:22 ^ul ((phantom types )S:^):^ 01:10:23 phantom types phantom types phantom types phantom types phantom types phantom types phantom types phantom types phantom types phantom types phantom types phantom types phantom types phantom types phantom types phantom types phantom types phantom types phantom types phantom types phantom types phantom types phantom types ph ...too much output! 01:13:42 CakeProphet: So you've achieved... the same as a typeclass. 01:13:50 Except it requires a language extension and doesn't let anyone add new types of signal 01:19:14 -!- Lymia has joined. 01:20:45 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: phantom types, i said!). 01:21:05 -!- Lymee has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:22:49 so often i have this dream that i have to hit someone but my punches move reeeeeally slowly 01:22:59 maybe i should become a boxer, i have way too much brain for my needs 01:33:49 elliott: the idea was to have a typeclass as well. But it would only have one function instead of two.. 01:37:28 using only typeclasses enforced some kind of conversion in order to operate on the signal, with a single GADT I can use both kinds of signal in one function, while also having it typecheck in the case that the wrong kind of signal is used. 01:39:19 also, I think being afraid of language extensions is silly. GHC is the de facto Haskell compiler more or less. 01:39:21 It doesn't force conversion 01:39:25 It just forces using via an interface 01:39:35 And language extensions are silly when there's literally no gain 01:40:05 better typechecking? 01:40:52 toDiscrete :: Signal t a -> Signal Discrete a 01:41:24 For a start, that type is way insufficient 01:41:27 You need to give a sampling rate 01:41:32 For a second, ???? 01:41:45 the sampling rate isn't part of the type it's a constructor argument 01:41:46 sample :: SampleRate -> CSignal a -> DSignal a 01:41:49 it is pretty much always an Integral... 01:41:56 CakeProphet: That's still not enough for toDiscrete 01:42:01 You cannot just convert a continuous signal to a discrete one 01:42:03 ah wait, yeah nevermind. :P 01:42:04 You must use a certain sampling rate. 01:42:13 Anyway, [(Time,a)] is a much better model for a discrete signal. 01:42:17 That doesn't force a constant sampling rate. 01:42:58 mmk. 01:43:05 cd .. 01:43:09 But like I said, 01:43:10 sample :: SampleRate -> CSignal a -> DSignal a 01:43:12 How is that not typechecked? 01:43:21 newtype CSignal a = CSignal (Time -> a) 01:43:26 newtype DSignal a = DSignal [(Time,a)] 01:43:32 instance Signal CSignal where ... 01:43:34 it requires that the argument be continuous. 01:43:35 instance Signal DSignal where ... 01:43:51 CakeProphet: Well, yeah, why would you want to sample a DSignal? 01:44:01 Just treating it like a continuous signal would be a rather poor sample rate converter 01:44:18 _Mine_ is better typechecked, because it stops you sampling non-continuous singals :) 01:44:27 I don't need to treat it like a continuous signal, I can treat it like a discrete signal and convert the sample rate. 01:44:43 Eh? 01:44:45 via pattern matching 01:44:59 OK, so you actually have two functions. 01:45:12 when needed, yes. 01:45:12 sample and convertSampleRate. 01:45:21 convertSampleRate :: (Signal t) => SampleRate -> t -> DSignal a 01:45:23 Tada 01:45:30 erm 01:45:32 convertSampleRate :: (Signal t) => SampleRate -> t a -> DSignal a 01:46:03 CakeProphet: But really, you should have 01:46:11 sample :: SampleRate -> CSignal a -> DSignal a 01:46:18 convertSampleRate :: SampleRate -> DSignal a -> DSignal a 01:46:40 okay fine I'll just have a multitude of functions and typeclasses when I could merge it into one type transparently. 01:46:41 That avoids conflating the two separate functions. 01:46:53 CakeProphet: You would have exactly one typeclass, Signal. 01:47:02 And having a multitude of functions is a good thing, it's called a rich set of operations 01:47:12 Sampling a continuous signal and converting the sample rate of a discrete signal are not the same thing 01:47:18 Conflating them is a bug 01:51:38 -!- oklofok has joined. 01:51:57 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 01:54:12 -!- oklopol has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 02:27:00 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:30:08 -!- Behold has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:54:38 -!- jcp has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:54:58 -!- jcp has joined. 02:57:15 -!- jcp|1 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 02:59:43 -!- myndzi\ has joined. 03:01:58 -!- javawizard has joined. 03:02:48 -!- myndzi has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 03:20:08 -!- FireFly has quit (Quit: swatted to death). 03:25:31 -!- derrik has joined. 03:30:50 -!- azaq23 has joined. 03:41:32 -!- zzo38 has joined. 04:08:58 Finally I got DVI output to printer working correctly, using a program called "dviout". 04:10:44 It requires no PostScript, no raw printer codes, no PDF, no TrueType, no of that other stuff (although it does support all of these features). 04:11:38 How can you have a beautiful ending without making beautiful mistakes? 04:11:46 If at first you do succeed...try something harder. 04:36:57 Lymia: Are you responsible for the /snow command. 04:47:05 What is a /snow command? 04:50:36 WorldEdit, in Minecraft. 04:53:08 -!- cheater_ has joined. 04:57:53 elliott is capable of making infinity be less than 15*4 04:59:01 Sgeo_: You have dirt now. 04:59:08 Infinite dirt. 04:59:12 I need to not drown right now 04:59:20 You are above water? 04:59:32 I am? I can't tell, I'm lagging that badly 04:59:37 Reconnect 04:59:38 The lag is gone now 05:00:48 Sgeo_: No luck? 05:01:12 Sorry, was afk 05:10:39 Man. I never really thought about that... Having "In God We Trust" on the US nickle in particular is quite a dick move. 05:10:53 (for non-Americans: Thomas Jefferson appears on the US nickle) 05:11:11 It's the very antithesis of the man. 05:24:08 -!- elliott has changed nick to yay. 05:24:12 -!- yay has changed nick to elliott. 05:24:41 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 05:27:25 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:28:40 -!- elliott has changed nick to sldjkf. 05:28:57 -!- sldjkf has changed nick to elliott. 05:31:31 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:37:32 -!- elliott has changed nick to pyralspite. 05:39:17 -!- pyralspite has changed nick to elliott. 05:51:31 pikhq_, are you assuming brazilians know what's on the us nickle? 05:52:25 -!- fungot has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 05:53:35 -!- fizzie has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 06:03:04 cheater_: No, but (unfortunately) "American" is the demonym for citizens of the USA. 06:05:12 i just say usarian 06:05:38 It works a bit better in Esperanto. "Usonanto", IIRC. 06:06:07 -!- copumpkin has joined. 06:06:08 -!- copumpkin has quit (Changing host). 06:06:08 -!- copumpkin has joined. 06:11:12 "uss-asian" 06:11:18 "usasian" 06:11:56 -!- foocraft has joined. 06:20:26 -!- derrik has quit (Quit: over and out). 06:30:45 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 06:38:07 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 06:47:23 -!- Lymia has changed nick to Lymee. 06:50:54 -!- fizzie has joined. 07:00:51 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:35:24 -!- elliott has changed nick to pyralspite. 07:35:39 -!- pyralspite has changed nick to elliott. 07:55:49 -!- foocraft_ has joined. 08:01:42 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 08:03:04 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 08:10:22 http://www.vimprobable.org/ This guy really doesn't like Google. 08:15:18 People actually use Scroogle? 08:21:34 -!- Lymee has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 08:21:59 Paranoid people, yes. 08:21:59 Phantom_Hoover: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. 08:23:15 The paranoia isn't the thing, it's the Brandt. 08:24:02 The paranoia presumably overcomes the aversion to him. 08:24:18 More likely they've no aversion. 08:25:22 I'm surprised the page didn't insult me when it looked at my user agent. 08:25:33 -!- tswett_ has joined. 08:26:26 -!- oklopol has joined. 08:30:14 -!- azaq23 has quit (*.net *.split). 08:30:14 -!- oklofok has quit (*.net *.split). 08:30:15 -!- tswett has quit (*.net *.split). 08:33:40 http://www.vimprobable.org/ This guy really doesn't like Google. <-- heh 08:35:55 -!- Lymee has joined. 08:35:55 -!- Lymee has quit (Changing host). 08:35:55 -!- Lymee has joined. 08:45:21 -!- azaq23 has joined. 08:45:21 -!- azaq23 has quit (Changing host). 08:45:21 -!- azaq23 has joined. 09:15:22 -!- shachaf has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 09:23:14 -!- asiekierka has joined. 09:23:19 hi can you hear me 09:24:00 -!- asiekierka has quit (Client Quit). 09:24:56 -!- augur has joined. 09:30:53 no 10:02:08 -!- elliott has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:02:09 -!- elliott_ has joined. 10:15:23 http://downforeveryoneorjustme.org/ 10:15:24 pro coding 10:15:38 oh well. 10:16:54 is downforeveryoneorjustme.org down for everyone or just me :D 10:17:11 It's just you, do-man. 10:17:18 The PHP is down, the HTML isn't 10:17:19 It's like He-Man. 10:17:26 That depends on the universe you are observing. 10:18:20 Deewiant: Pure guess: some update or another has turned the short-open-tags feature off. 10:18:37 heh 10:18:41 (That's just a ripoff of the actual site, btw) 10:18:47 (Which is a .com) 10:23:39 The real site seems to be implemamented with the Google App Eggnog. (User-agent: "AppEngine-Google; (+http://code.google.com/appengine; appid: downforeveryoneorjustme)") 10:24:21 It's open-source, IIRC 10:41:00 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:59:58 -!- cheater_ has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 11:00:39 -!- cheater_ has joined. 11:18:08 -!- elliott has joined. 11:18:08 -!- elliott_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:18:20 Lymee: I think I should just have HashMap> 11:19:11 Lymee: And if a world isn't in the map, we just assume every chunk is hostile. 11:19:15 Ugly? Yes. 11:19:18 Useful? Yes. 11:21:34 -!- oerjan has joined. 11:23:47 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:24:04 -!- augur has joined. 11:28:19 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 11:33:02 -!- FireFly has joined. 11:43:14 -!- ais523 has joined. 11:51:24 -!- _foocraft has joined. 11:51:46 -!- foocraft has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 11:52:37 -!- foocraft_ has quit (Quit: if you're going....to san. fran. cisco!!!). 11:55:42 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 12:06:03 -!- boily has joined. 12:09:15 elliott: Tabs are 8 characters, and thus indentations are also 8 characters. There are heretic movements that try to make indentations 4 (or even 2!) characters deep, and that is akin to trying to define the value of PI to be 3. 12:09:25 I'm amused that they disagree with me on style, but agree on the immutability of tab sizes 12:09:52 ais523: Yes, obviously I have never read the Linux coding standards before 12:09:52 Clearly they implicitly accept my indentation level of 3 12:11:14 I love the way they wrote PI in uppercase 12:11:16 because it's a constant 12:14:42 Deewiant: Sure, because that's PI spaces. 12:15:31 fizzie: Deewiant: ais523: Anyone: Are there restrictions on what you can remove from collections you're iterating over in Java? 12:15:45 elliott: IIRC yes, let me look it up 12:15:46 I have "for (T x : hashSet) { ... }", and I want to remove x from the hashSet depending on certain conditions. 12:15:46 You need to use the iterator to remove 12:15:54 Yes. 12:15:54 Deewiant: So no nice for syntax? 12:15:56 elliott: Use an Iterator, it has a remove method 12:16:01 SIGH FINE >:( 12:16:02 elliott: Not that I know of at least 12:16:32 if (!worldState.hostileChunks.contains(ChunkCoords.fromLocation(monster.getLocation()))) { 12:16:33 if (!worldState.hostileChunks.contains(ChunkCoords.fromLocation(event.getLocation()))) { 12:16:39 wow, those are actually the exact same line 12:16:45 No they're not 12:16:51 Err, well 12:16:56 Modulo alpha renaming 12:16:59 I was pasting them as two different insanely long ifs :-) 12:17:09 Maybe I should define worldState.isInHostileChunk(). 12:17:38 elliott: yep, just checked, the rule is that you can only remove the element that you're currently on during the iteration, and can only do so via calling the remove method on the iterator 12:17:39 the world is in a hostile, chunky state 12:17:55 also, you can't remove the current element more than once without going onto the next element, obviously 12:18:19 Most of the iterators are "fail-fast", in that they (try to) start throwing ConcurrentModificationExceptions if you mangle the collection you're iterating over by any other means than the iterator. 12:19:01 fizzie: that's not guaranteed 12:19:07 Hence "try to". 12:19:10 yep 12:19:16 I just thought that the warning would be useful 12:19:31 * elliott is slightly worried that ais523's first reaction was "Why on earth is elliott coding Java???" 12:19:36 or maybe it was, just internally only 12:20:08 elliott: I saw your code paste before I saw the first statement that implied Java 12:20:08 because it took me several seconds to switch to the IRC window 12:20:18 and the code paste suggested an obvious context (something Minecraft-related) 12:20:29 fizzie: Deewiant: ais523: Anyone: Are there restrictions on what you can remove from collections you're iterating over in Java? 12:20:29 elliott: IIRC yes, let me look it up 12:20:32 No, you knew it was Java :-P 12:20:36 That was before any pastes 12:20:46 elliott: aha, that must be the zzo38 reaction 12:20:51 heh 12:20:51 in that I didn't look for a context until it became necessary 12:21:10 in this channel, my mind didn't make the connection between "asking questions about Java" and "writing Java" 12:21:14 not immediately, at least 12:21:24 I'm even using Eclipse :-| 12:21:41 in fact, it would be quite plausible that you were writing a different language with iterable collections, and wanted to know what Java did so you could do something different 12:21:50 * elliott decides to stare at Eclipse for a few hours until it tells him how many lines of Java he's written today. (This is how you solve problems with Eclipse.) 12:21:56 (This is what I have learned. 12:21:56 ) 12:22:14 oh, wait, I have wc 12:22:17 also, sloccount 12:22:27 ohcount 12:22:35 also, Java badly needs a Java-specific IDE, it's too library-dense to easily use otherwise 12:22:35 although I generally use NetBeans (because it's what's taught here, and I need to use the technology I'm meant to teach) 12:22:56 Deewiant: Didn't have a convenient website last I looked 12:22:59 ais523: wow, only 228 lines 12:23:01 it feels like more 12:23:08 probably because I had to go through an IDE form just to create a lambda 12:23:25 you didn't, you could (and probably should) have used a nested class 12:23:38 or does that need a form in Eclipse? 12:23:47 I think it can have one, if you want 12:23:51 ais523: they're rather long lambdas, anyway 12:23:52 You can just type in code, though. 12:24:02 and Java files seem to be divided into two types: 12:24:07 - hundreds of lines long, everything in one class 12:24:13 - thirty lines long, about five hundred classes 12:24:15 It does have "make a new (inner or not) class" forms though. 12:24:17 in NetBeans, you can highlight a statement and then click on the left margin, and choose the option to enclose it in a Runnable 12:24:46 hmm, oh dear... 12:24:47 elliott: you typically only use one class per file, not counting inner classes 12:24:57 some are much longer than others 12:25:20 I'm writing "practical", impure, not-very-theoretically-soundly-organised code, in Java, in an object-oriented style (sort of), for a buggy game 12:25:30 I think, by my own account, my soul should have vanished in a few hours 12:25:48 elliott: You have become the very thing you fought for! Abyss, gazing back, and so on! 12:25:48 e.g. the longest class in Jettyplay is 2122 lines long, many of which are autogenerated 12:25:53 s/for/against/ 12:26:06 fizzie: the first version was funnier 12:26:08 in fact, 12:26:09 Eclipse is actually quite nice, to be honest 12:26:15 `addquote elliott: You have become the very thing you fought for! 12:26:16 I mean, as nice as a Java IDE can be 12:26:18 498) elliott: You have become the very thing you fought for! 12:26:56 I do like how builds happen completely automatically, at least 12:26:57 the second longest is 2076 lines long, after I deleted half of it (it originally came from someone else's program), but it's mostly a state machine and that's to be expected of state machines 12:27:04 and all the errors appear without asking 12:27:11 elliott: NetBeans does that too, I imagine all Java IDEs do 12:27:15 ais523: Indeed 12:27:16 even Emacs does that 12:27:22 if set up correctly 12:27:23 well, it's always a pain with Emacs 12:27:25 IME 12:27:32 flymake tends to be flaky 12:27:36 not IME, but it depends on what language you're using 12:27:42 flymake is incredibly flaky with C, but works very well with Perl 12:29:10 probably because C is a language not very conducive to that sort of thing (C++ is even worse) 12:29:53 oh, I forgot the last element of the soullessness trifec...n-fecta 12:30:03 it's using an "enterprisey" framework :( 12:30:52 * elliott weeps 12:32:17 and Jettyplay isn't, ironically enough given the name 12:32:23 (the "e" stands for Enterprisey) 12:32:40 at least the enterprisey framework is called "bukkit" 12:32:42 I suppose it isn't all that enterprisey really, just overengineered 12:32:46 there is some drop of humour left in my new terrible world : ( 12:33:02 Bababadalgharaghtakamminarronnkonnbronntonnerronntuonnthunntrovarrhounawnskawntoohoohoordenenthurnuk 12:33:18 dammit, these pigs know they're going to evaporate if they walk too far 12:33:37 ah, a perfect kill. 12:35:18 "Tired of monsters spawning on one or more of your worlds? Don't like the health regeneration that comes with spawn-monsters=false? With NoRegen, you can enjoy monster-free world(s), and still be without the boring health regeneration!" 12:35:20 NO THIS IS THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT I WANT 12:35:41 oops wrong channel 12:38:41 Phantom_Hoover: gesundheit 12:38:56 oerjan, it was LITERARY 12:39:12 i know, i googled 12:39:26 I don't think anyone has ever actually read Finnegan's Wake. 12:39:48 The actual book is probably completely different to every synopsis on the internet. 12:39:58 Phantom_Hoover: someone, somewhere, somewhat like zzo probably has. 12:40:01 I didn't think you could make a synopsys of it 12:40:24 What everyone *thinks* it contains is just an aggregate of summaries which has evolved into a completely different story. 12:42:19 meanwhile, I saw a story recently about people benchmarking Firefox 8 12:42:30 what is up with those version numbers? they're releasing major versions faster than they used to release minor versions 12:42:44 so it isn't even a simple minor->major shift 12:42:56 They changed their release schedule 12:42:56 I remember back when Firefox 3 was A Big New Thing. 12:43:02 One major version every 3 months, IIRC 12:43:03 You know, two years ago. 12:44:13 I'm still on the 3 series (with Ubuntu doing security patches) 12:44:14 I think "8" was what they're calling the "unstable", or wasn't it so? 12:44:18 yep 12:44:18 I remember back when Phoenix 0.1 was A Big New Thing. You know, eight years ago. 12:44:32 I don't think anyone has ever actually read Finnegan's Wake. 12:44:33 Finnegans 12:44:44 I remember when I got Netscape, and it was a lot fancier than Mosaic. 12:45:02 They're at 5 now and have 6 and 7 on the roadmap, IIRC. 12:48:29 so will they be starting with Firefox 3000 or something equally silly within five years? 12:50:09 "Ok we just made Firefox Busy Beaver. wtf are we going to call the next version?" 12:50:55 after Firefox 5, they will use the Fibonacci numbers so that the version number growth is exponential 12:51:13 6 comes out in August when 7 moves from AURORA to BETA, and 8 moves from NIGHTLY to AURORA. 12:51:16 "and why are we being overrun by ubuntu lawyers?" 12:51:41 5 came out in June. 12:52:02 within years we will be able to safely use a floor of a logarithm of the version to identify the version 12:52:03 I think it's supposed to be something like 2-3 months per major version number, so 4-6 major versions per year. 12:52:32 ok scratch that. they make Firefox Graham's Number, and want to do Busy Beaver next but _then_ are overrun by ubuntu lawyers. 12:53:13 oerjan, to be exact, Firefox three arrow three arrow sixty-four point blabla arrow two. 12:53:28 O KAY 12:53:36 I don't get why they'd be overrun by Ubuntu lawyers, is it a pun I'm missing? 12:53:41 Ubuntu Busy Beaver 12:53:46 ah, aha 12:53:47 Ubuntu MM.NN Busy Beaver 12:57:15 oh, they can pass on to transfinite ordinals then 12:57:49 -!- wth has joined. 12:58:15 -!- wth has changed nick to Guest87246. 12:59:28 -!- Guest87246 has left. 13:00:08 i'm really not convinced wth is the best nick, _even_ if it's probably an acronym of eir real name 13:04:27 Oh, it's 6 weeks per major version: https://wiki.mozilla.org/RapidRelease/Calendar 13:05:07 six weeks? X-D 13:05:14 sturmeh: 13:05:15 cool: false 13:05:15 eats: 13:05:15 babies: true 13:05:15 good yaml example 13:06:32 So Firefox 9 released this year, and Firefox 12 in the nightly branch; and by the end of 2012 they'll release Firefox 17, and have Firefox 20 in development in the nightly branch. 13:07:40 what versions will the other major browsers be on by then? in particular, is Firefox's schedule outversioning Chrome? 13:08:06 I wonder if Chrome thirteen is out yet 13:08:13 I'm on twelve, but I haven't updated in... a few days :-P 13:08:32 fizzie: how long until they reach three digits? 13:09:32 A bit less than 11 years. 13:09:50 great 13:10:14 by october 2012 they will have hit three digits. during the first two weeks of december it will grow to thousands of digits. what happens after that is unpredictable. 13:10:37 I guess it depends which sort of curve you fit in. 13:10:45 oerjan: :D 13:11:20 Eyeballing the Chrome release history in Wikipedia, it would seem to be about the same speed. 13:11:33 hmm, I wonder if version numbering will hit singularity some time 13:11:34 The Firefox Singularity? 13:11:39 thats the joke dot jpg 13:11:41 by october 2012 they will have hit three digits. during the first two weeks of december it will grow to thousands of digits. what happens after that is unpredictable. 13:12:38 that doesn't imply singularity 13:12:44 it might just be going up at Ackermann speed or whatever 13:12:56 ais523: you get the refernce, suerly 13:13:01 december 2012? 13:13:16 meh, that's a sufficiently busted reference that I tend to ignore it 13:13:29 elliott, Maya? 13:13:39 ais523: it's called a _joke_ 13:13:42 you may have heard of it. 13:13:58 but it isn't particularly funny 13:14:08 oerjan: outrageous 13:14:23 elliott: i'll just have to take the audience i get 13:15:41 -!- asiekierka has joined. 13:15:52 is anyone here? 13:15:56 nope 13:15:59 oh darn 13:16:07 i'm forced to type from netcat so i was seriousthere 13:16:27 fancy 13:16:45 * ais523 sends a ctcp version and waits a minute or so for asiekierka to type the reply 13:16:46 also some dedication 13:16:54 ais523: :D 13:17:09 i don't know how to reply to VERSIONs yet 13:17:11 oerjan: I do reply to CTCP VERSIONs when IRCing via netcat 13:17:22 O_o 13:17:23 asiekierka: NOTICE ais523 :^AVERSION netcat^A 13:17:28 where ^A is a literal control-A 13:17:28 i'm using musl libc, irssi doesn't compile for it, neither does ircii 13:17:37 no binaries for other IRC clients 13:17:47 i'd be happy to move to anything better than netcat 13:18:00 i could just get dropbear and SSH into another computer but THAT'S CHEATING 13:18:15 why /is/ that SSH impl called dropbear? 13:18:20 the name always confused me 13:18:22