< 1310774457 884006 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1310774468 781960 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1310774470 83268 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1310774607 158790 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1310774607 502953 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Changing host < 1310774607 677154 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1310775471 69588 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have now made approximately one third of the DVI optimizer program. < 1310777128 136049 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81e041.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310777418 126889 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1310778640 214840 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1310778751 315782 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1310778827 162487 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310779260 504666 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310780118 173468 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1310780142 49625 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310780623 442476 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310780739 184235 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1310780792 839206 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1310780842 339540 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found list of spells of D&D game including "Explosive Familiar" it makes the caster's familiar explosive, and "Feign Invisibility" which causes others to believe the caster is invisible even though they can clearly see the caster, they must think they can see him somehow even if he is invisible. < 1310780901 366238 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1310781008 215221 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1310784198 987231 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know Double Fanucci? < 1310785106 898662 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-31.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310785326 795130 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-253-145.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1310787655 163129 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo, sort of like how stage hypnosis is supposed to work eh. < 1310787730 460749 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen an [obviously staged] video of a guy who hypnotized a woman to think he was invisible and then he would tickle her with a feather and make her look up with confusion < 1310787740 769772 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :on youtube < 1310787765 403739 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you know any good math games? < 1310787780 637108 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i am trying to put such bizzare fetishes behind me. < 1310787802 169321 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might not have been youtube :-? i forget < 1310787857 579021 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is that book whose name i am not sure of which apparently has this word fnord which the citizens have been conditioned to block out < 1310787872 104819 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :instilling fear in them because it is present in their texts even though they cannot conciously see it < 1310788019 834452 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I know, the actual experience of such things is a deep form of submission whereby you let someone force you to fake it till you make it < 1310788041 916983 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you know anything about this? < 1310788042 175213 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: computergram via first! peter norton, founder of peter norton, founder of peter norton, founder of peter norton, founder of peter norton, founder of peter deutsch and warren teitelman ( all the major problems, consider that " if the translators of the < 1310788049 568962 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1310788049 742947 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon* lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1310788055 163054 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1310788055 337026 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1310788069 630398 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: could you elaborate on that? < 1310788070 163195 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 1-based would be confusing? i hope i someday understand call/ cc will restore the stack and the registers. < 1310788084 403064 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, you disappoint me. < 1310788084 649959 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm just curious if he had his student do it :) < 1310788140 854032 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something is wrong, i cannot see fungot's fnords. oh wait... < 1310788141 66680 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes... roots are bad... < 1310788177 720742 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, who has the mysterious libc.so? < 1310788205 73972 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was after a girl in a chatroom started actually doing this to me that I knew I had to leave her. < 1310788314 767550 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: some guy called Error: Malformed requestDomain Name < 1310788547 610871 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1310789259 433936 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't know a lot of math games < 1310789274 110220 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although there are some games that you can possibly involve mathematics with < 1310789278 462814 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1310789282 887747 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :math games.. < 1310789284 635068 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example? < 1310789322 709172 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, single or multiplayer? < 1310789327 991217 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :multi < 1310789342 469438 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a specific example; I just mean in general some specific things having to do with certain games might be related to mathematical involving things, or maybe I wrote something wrong I don't actually know how to say this so I write like this is all mixed up sorry < 1310789452 418836 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a small stash of ebooks which I more or less just hoard and don't investigate, some of which may actually be relevant. < 1310789610 190471 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely remembers some computer game from when he was a kid
< 1310789643 236336 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When playing pokemon card I play for overmate. (Even if overmate is not relevant to the rules being used; it is certainly not relevant in the standard rules.) < 1310789665 269848 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lewis carroll, raymond smullyan, douglas hofstadter < 1310789686 821097 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if they entirely reach the topic. < 1310789692 834774 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one book written by Douglas Hofstadter. < 1310789776 789632 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am sure john conway is relevant to the topic but i don't have any ebooks that are really related to him < 1310789981 443667 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :winning ways, probably < 1310790039 87403 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzles are more common than actual games < 1310790076 709155 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has simon tatham's lightup in the other window
< 1310790206 599359 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :depressing wiki comment backs me up "This article is about using mathematics to study the inner-workings of multiplayer games which, on the surface, may not appear mathematical at all. For games that directly involve mathematics in their play, see mathematical puzzle." < 1310790312 699273 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe things aren't so bad < 1310790319 496332 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway here is the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_game < 1310790487 641989 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the math games i know are too hard for mere humans to do in their heads < 1310790634 902703 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a wannabe game designer it gives me great pain to think about how the only reason games are possible is due to imperfections in the players. < 1310790668 810977 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :relative to perfect play that is < 1310790697 125797 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats probably a naive view i hold too often < 1310790733 286735 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1310790769 541327 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the cynical depressing view that all gaming is to demonstrate some level of deviation from perfect play higher than the opponent. < 1310790815 128691 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again we find that perfect play is a waste of time. < 1310790842 664503 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet it helps motivate us to play if we idealize perfect play. < 1310790858 71867 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of this of course is my cynical views which are probably wrong. < 1310790957 321608 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is only true of mathematical games < 1310790968 355517 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not even all of those < 1310790977 694627 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im full of shit ^_^; < 1310791002 900100 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's an example: the simple three player game help-or-hinder < 1310791016 420709 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's practically unanalyzable < 1310791036 790933 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so winning has nothing to do with perfect players... < 1310791059 5743 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i analyze things too much < 1310791059 453809 :Elizacat!~Elizabeth@awos/2nd-in-command/init QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1310791083 291528 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can think of arguments against my earlier comments but its all just a pile of crap comments < 1310791121 548066 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1310791129 731539 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1310791143 510091 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what i havent seen much is coop games < 1310791174 415414 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was talking to this guy once about it < 1310791232 569920 :Elizacat!~Elizabeth@awos/2nd-in-command/init JOIN :#esoteric < 1310791309 714041 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have the DVI file of my and my brother character sheet. Currently it has no story text or footnotes. < 1310791346 930500 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg the first result on google is an xkcd page < 1310791356 75499 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310791369 974496 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Result of what? < 1310791400 158858 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16990 < 1310791422 518281 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg quintopia posted on that page < 1310791481 619876 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i am skillful googler < 1310791531 310506 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :good find < 1310791607 78897 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you expect the Spanish Inquisition? < 1310791633 16898 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i searched on: "3 player game" "help or hinder" < 1310791644 819652 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't work in bing so i proceeded to google and it did < 1310791661 788055 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK now I know what you search < 1310791676 452419 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet an MS spokeswoman says "if google didn't exist bing would be good enough" < 1310791732 371361 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't remember that that guy invented that game < 1310791741 841953 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it's a good example < 1310791755 721086 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah good enough for me to use as fertilizer < 1310791787 352154 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 player eh < 1310791800 516648 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.... by having an odd number of players the dynamics become much more complex < 1310791842 223495 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't Diplomacy a 7 player game? < 1310791855 649663 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really mathematical in that way though < 1310791872 908632 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I wonder what would happen if you took the board out and just made it that sort of game < 1310791928 837444 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :this very sort of topic is what eventually led me to a chatroom for esoteric programming languages < 1310791994 243029 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this page is like anti-3 player games < 1310791997 34779 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i am all for it < 1310792061 364934 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashbash makes the point < 1310792063 605965 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theoretical maximum overmate in pokemon card is eight. Try to design a situation using only cards in Pokemon Card GB2 where the player whose turn it is can win with eight overmate on this turn. Better if the number of things that must be done is increased and/or if chance based things are involved although when combining them properly you can guarantee a win < 1310792090 578476 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :chance is fun. < 1310792142 99327 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1310792150 307331 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :an idea just came to me, < 1310792188 676052 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phutball this one is good. solving it is PSPACE-complete! < 1310792189 984368 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, instead of overmate (since overmate is not standard rule), do such that you have six side cards remain and zero cards in draw pile, opponent has many cards in draw pile but only one side card remain. And you are poisoned. < 1310792208 440397 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a genius of course.. so ideas often come to me < 1310792253 213749 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you are keeping it to yourself < 1310792254 406899 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me < 1310792257 3870 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i am "confident" you have not heard of this game before < 1310792271 353403 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is "The Ultimate Pokemon Card Puzzle Game". < 1310792281 537744 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. each player has 2 private 8x8 boards < 1310792297 806277 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :following with me so far? < 1310792330 179403 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: OK. So far. But that isn't much. < 1310792342 460023 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :they each have a pair of 8x8 boards that only they can see.. thus a total of four 8x8 boards < 1310792349 910197 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1310792374 605016 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also have a bunch of tiles... lets say 128 tiles just to be safe < 1310792385 291624 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :128 each < 1310792395 882572 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1310792416 59772 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should be sufficient to cover the board unless they are allowed to be stacked. < 1310792425 564705 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uh.. 2 more tiles of a second color.. and 2 more tiles of a third color < 1310792450 362274 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. color 1) 128 tiles, color 2) 2 tiles, color 3) 2 tiles < 1310792451 896654 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK what are these second and third colors mean? < 1310792456 620530 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1310792486 386904 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand so far what you have written, but not sure of its significance yet due to you can write it later the rules, and then is known its significance to the game. < 1310792503 441839 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now.. they begin by placing color 3 tiles on the boards.. 1 on each board < 1310792519 309767 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :at location.. x = 4, y = 8 < 1310792551 863978 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. What next? < 1310792557 544324 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, on one of the boards, they place a color 2 tile somewhere < 1310792589 513596 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far so good? < 1310792611 651986 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. Do you place of your choice position? Is it allowed to stand on top of the other tile or not? < 1310792628 951536 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.. its allowed anywhere except the first tile position < 1310792635 330914 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1310792650 36215 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :for now.. that rule might turn out to need altering < 1310792692 820528 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.. next.. you build a maze with the color 1 tiles leading to the color 2 tile < 1310792714 403628 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the color 3 tile to the color 2 tile < 1310792726 297451 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. (I was going to ask exactly that) < 1310792810 985928 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :diagonal moves are not possible, but the maze has to be a solid object in the way that a tetris piece is a solid object < 1310792820 109879 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh sort of < 1310792824 976224 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I think I understand what you mean. < 1310792827 511395 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it can have gaps < 1310792834 244119 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but uhhh < 1310792837 508932 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hummm blah < 1310792841 125413 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah anyway moving along < 1310792841 299383 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have gaps? How would that work? < 1310792852 357941 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well im not sure.. this part is tricky to formalize in words < 1310792883 139951 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you cannot do it in words, do it in pictures, or in mathematics. < 1310792891 930628 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyway... what happens is.. in any order.. doesn't matter.. each turn.. both players are told which directions have walls < 1310792901 618876 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it might be like "east and west have walls" < 1310792914 920146 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1310792931 674420 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: the easiest way to say what i think you are trying to say is "no 2x2 region can contain no color 1 tiles" < 1310792948 861535 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the player tells the other player which direction he makes his move < 1310792953 467625 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can see what this is doing a bit < 1310792973 305452 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and both players update their boards.. and its a race to reach the end of the maze < 1310792977 988552 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1310792984 876832 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does each player have two mazes < 1310792989 844058 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1310793001 20323 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they can construct the other player's maze on their own board < 1310793004 745007 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1310793014 58072 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not a bad idea right? < 1310793016 81910 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I think I know exactly what this is now. < 1310793017 243500 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like multiplayer adventure game :P < 1310793040 444945 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :except you can never be in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike < 1310793046 95739 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1310793049 201946 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like battleships, except not battleships at all. < 1310793080 894540 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :an idea: what if the mazes can be arbitrary graphs but every node has unique number? :P < 1310793130 473252 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i always try to make things difficult. for instance when i saw the phutball game i said "i wonder if it would be harder on a projective plane?' < 1310793140 217642 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it is somewhat similar to Wumpus game?? < 1310793141 672061 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i am empty of ideas now. just had to spill that one < 1310793159 511596 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can make it so the mazes are on tori! < 1310793167 390575 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be super interesting < 1310793184 95851 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Have you ask on this channel a few days ago about FurryScript document? I have now written the document in case you were looking for it. Or, was it someone else who asked for it? < 1310793194 585062 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i saw you said that and thanked you < 1310793220 703031 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can make a maze with the tiles and also chess as well. < 1310793348 503967 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is by jumping into such random convos that such ideas come to me < 1310793351 831765 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never get them on my own < 1310793424 189811 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo, yeah i like to consider every possible use of the chessboard other than to play chess :-? < 1310793517 645181 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Yes you can make other games using the same or similar board. Some game similar to chess includes Xiangqi, Shogi, played with their own board, but it is still like chess, you still take turn moving 1 piece each, you attack opponent's king and can win, etc. < 1310793528 510543 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually created a wild image with my wacom tablet the other day to show my desire to stretch the game of chess < 1310793642 283376 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many variants and I have invented some chess variants. Some which are played with the same board. I made one game "123456 Chess" which is a chess variant that you can use a chess/checker/backgammon set. You start with rook standing on checkers, and two dice each with 1 on top at start. You can advance the dice which uses up a turn. Capture with checkers must be done if able. < 1310793725 395181 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, another game, once my brother put eight checkers in front of the pawns for joke. But then we decided to actually play that way. We discussed the rules although as it turned out both of us already agreed on the exact rules to use in our mind, before discussion! < 1310793731 986649 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked the chess variant shown on the big bang theory < 1310793746 614716 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made my own game with chess pieces once. it had a much higher branching factor than chess, because it was possible to respawn captured pieces < 1310793773 330546 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oi55.tinypic.com/15n2fro.jpg < 1310793775 223425 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the goal was simpler...simply to get a pawn to the opponents first rank < 1310793796 911850 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i forgot the initial configuration and rules of motion < 1310793811 754993 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :never wrote it down < 1310793874 372278 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1310793882 755179 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read of another variant where that is the case, win by a pawn on opponent's first rank. < 1310793909 990528 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in that variant, it was otherwise as normal (FIDE) chess and you can win by checkmate too. < 1310793961 97898 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont like chess because i have no clue how to play.. and that being the best is ridiculously difficult < 1310793997 234412 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a game like chess to me is the perfect thing to exploit into other games < 1310794113 262210 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once had idea in Magic: the Gathering cards, a card, both players assign permanents to each chess piece (with not allowed two pieces for the same permanent), and then play chess. Any captured piece causes corresponding permanent to be discarded. In case of checkmated, losing player permanent corresponding to their king is discarded. < 1310794149 503632 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the maze thing is probably not as good in practice as it sounds. < 1310794173 103787 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: I believe you. < 1310794191 949318 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the idea is fun < 1310794261 921511 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs) < 1310794270 991469 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think it is something like battleships, except that it isn't battleships at all. < 1310794273 518746 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1310794325 623122 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to play Magic: the Gathering card or play pokemon card? < 1310794330 251765 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right... its basically battleships except reduced down to 1 small ship < 1310794403 468556 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i don't. < 1310794422 156028 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: i am getting another idea for a maze game < 1310794481 993952 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anyone has idea, try to invent "The Ultimate Pokemon Card Puzzle Game". < 1310794497 143822 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one will take some thinking since it is not symmetrical < 1310794503 531792 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i'm not really into pokemon < 1310794552 685828 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: OK. You are not really into pokemon < 1310794557 283517 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I once had an idea about generating a maze by dice rolls < 1310794617 374140 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: i want to make a cross between pacman and fox-and-geese, where the geese player is the only one who knows the maze and the positions of everything. < 1310794641 71074 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only four geese/ghosts < 1310794681 363167 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo, i am fascinated by some dragonball z emulated roms based on card games < 1310794702 493895 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah fox and geese.. i have a book around with a lot of games described < 1310794704 329269 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the problem is you can't let the maze be designed by the geese player because they could make it a labyrinth (unicursal) and trap the fox too easy < 1310794704 757310 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once had an idea about making up an entire set of rules for a chess variant by dice rolls. < 1310794724 871759 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: such games have existed since the beginning of chess < 1310794759 974518 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean, before the game starts roll the dice to determine each individual small part of the rules. And then the game is played without dice. < 1310794760 682233 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres 1 special book about chess history which i have been unable to locate on the internet < 1310794802 507304 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1310794803 586402 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What book? < 1310794818 605513 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill check my browser history < 1310794823 115982 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: make it a drinking game too < 1310794828 690681 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know, however, of chess variants with dice, including Ludus Equitum (roll two d6 dice to determine which two pieces you are allowed to move, and it is allowed to pass one or both parts) < 1310794835 311182 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: That's the only way I get anything done anymore~ < 1310794871 164235 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that sounds similar to one particularly ancient one i was thinking of < 1310794873 322499 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :A History Of Chess by some H.J.R. Murray < 1310794926 697775 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ludus Equitum is not particularly ancient. It is relatively modern. However, it is the Society of Creative Anachronism game, so it is using old style rules. < 1310794963 233665 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Surprisingly, I can't find it either. I thought I had a near comprehensive set of books on chess. < 1310794974 281461 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its very special that one < 1310794981 207515 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :will be hard to find < 1310795032 220317 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned about it when I started to want to know about the very origins of chess < 1310795088 634218 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope I solve chess. That'd look great on a resume~ < 1310795247 230954 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres something so compelling about chess.. but yet for me there is a certain boredom that i imagine with it < 1310795307 1694 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chess is always exciting, unless you play with people who know a little about it < 1310795322 36268 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who know nothing are interesting because they are hard to predict < 1310795336 538902 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who know a lot are exciting because they think in the metagame < 1310795360 777013 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who know a little have a small repertoire and decent middlegame. No fun at all < 1310795392 441877 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: I think I have also played some kind of card game Dragonball Z on NES, although I am unsure of the rule. Each card two numbers, one above is dots tell you how many times to move, the one below I am not sure what it means. < 1310795415 549307 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I like pokemon card. < 1310795418 4993 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I remember that game :D < 1310795420 147526 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah.. thats exactly the kind of game i mean. they're fun to watch < 1310795431 904063 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I much prefer Magic to Pokemon < 1310795436 15548 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no clue what goes on though < 1310795540 6042 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know reading numbers with kanji, and also some words with hiragana and katakana, a bit. < 1310795568 571784 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well i think theres some translations anyway < 1310795576 137946 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even still i would have no idea < 1310795667 950347 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, zzo, did you learn much about chess variants? < 1310795722 602313 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually basically independantly discovered the theory of chess variants < 1310795745 802536 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, at the end i googled it and found out with dismay that what i had discovered was nothing new at all < 1310795757 485747 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310795770 919652 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1310795792 222888 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theory of chess variants> < 1310795802 304444 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is there a "theory" of such things? < 1310795811 139380 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what I can tell is you are allowed to step in the same square twice when walking, and that when you have to fight it might be useful if Gokuu and Pikkoro stand in the same place because then you can have both on your side fighting. And there are also some item cards. And different tiles have different effect stepping there. Also "Z" seems to mean eight < 1310795816 644228 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps theory is the wrong word.. but i will explain < 1310795819 220291 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: http://chessvariants.org/ < 1310795845 62319 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone want a game of chess? < 1310795847 420547 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well, by discovering it myself i had insight into exactly what chess variants are. < 1310795887 311017 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are taking the properties of the individual pieces and forming an abstract class which you might call "chesspiece" < 1310795901 937937 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and.. deriving from that class.. new pieces < 1310795922 157808 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :this general process is exceedingly powerful < 1310796100 83093 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently a Whaling meeting ignored Whales! < 1310796104 295501 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14153779 < 1310796295 55042 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so naturally most chess moves resolve into vectors. either specific lengths or unlimited < 1310796340 662970 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :now .. this creates a problem if you imagine a chessboard of say 1000x1000 ... do you still want some pieces crossing it in one go -- that is -- are unlimited movement vectors implied on boards > 8x8 < 1310796357 673414 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its all very fun for a rainy day < 1310796357 962567 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would assume so < 1310796415 45128 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pieces such as the queen and the rook have less of a vector and more of an angle < 1310796460 348700 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course one way around that would be to divide the board up into districts < 1310796474 751384 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :where a piece has to stop at the edge < 1310796480 309335 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of < 1310796534 382845 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about making it instead of pieces moving, they clone themselves into some available square. no piece ever moves, but they die after some fixed number of moves. < 1310796546 757136 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what would happen at the border to districts? < 1310796560 817552 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trees seem to be the most correct representation, at least to my mind < 1310796581 559344 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :representation of what < 1310796586 143729 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :chess games? < 1310796586 721991 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chess < 1310796603 104898 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is too general < 1310796611 444455 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :any game is represented as a tree < 1310796614 667127 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if they're moving in some sort of jelly? < 1310796621 302886 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generality is a flaw? < 1310796628 832604 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1310796632 516528 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different pieces can move further through the jelly < 1310796637 549064 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trouble starts when you start trying to abstract moves like en passant and castling < 1310796670 480562 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it feels like a scripting language would be useful < 1310796681 325079 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the definition of the pieces < 1310796682 895943 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :when a representation is too general to give insight to a human individual, it is not a useful model < 1310796688 324535 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1310796689 649225 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I've only played en passant once? < 1310796693 208882 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ever? < 1310796707 672465 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :en passant was a very late addition to the game < 1310796711 692151 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What insight are we after? Optimal strategy? < 1310796741 344890 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optimal description of pieces and how they work, I think < 1310796767 273731 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :En passant is the rule that no one knows about unless they play regularly. Most of the adults I played with recreationally when I was younger had never heard of it < 1310796785 404111 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Ah, I see. Well, that does make a tree a little ridiculous < 1310796811 619011 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've beaten someone who's beaten someone who was at one time the chess champion of Australia < 1310796868 34226 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose what I'm curious about is what exactly we are trying to quantify about the pieces and their movements. < 1310796888 848563 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1310796897 828952 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :dandy: variant pieces < 1310796909 604594 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, okay < 1310796912 927102 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i don't know. perhaps the conversation has multi-threaded too < 1310796922 449124 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is nice < 1310796930 821381 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty much in a conversation with myself < 1310796966 451295 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81e041.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1310797017 764423 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I decided when I was thinking about chess variants that the minimal conditions I would find acceptable is a system which could describe all the rules of chess < 1310797047 674833 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :including castling and pawns moving 2 spaces on their first go, and queening, and en passant etc < 1310797071 860452 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1310797107 836228 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we talking a computational system, or a general formalization? < 1310797126 808694 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did try for a little while. I think as I became aware of the existence of professionals who had already done a lot of it, I lost interest. < 1310797132 745565 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :both :D < 1310797185 375110 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had plans on making a program to do it but it started to make me sweat so by then i had thrown in towel < 1310797207 672818 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't have done that < 1310797215 571559 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have used the towel to dry off the sweat < 1310797219 72845 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then continued < 1310797227 348310 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe got someone to bring you a new towel < 1310797229 934887 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't have any exciting ideas anyway < 1310797248 933577 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends what you find exciting, I guess < 1310797249 680825 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I simply realized that chesspieces could be highly generalized. < 1310797308 884794 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there is the draw I feel towards making a realtime chess < 1310797320 802880 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen a youtube video of kungfu chess. < 1310797350 840761 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tempestchess.com/ < 1310797551 537768 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel a small joy reading "I would rather take the real-time chess concept as far as it can go." < 1310797612 818364 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah.. sumo volleyball sounds like the kind of nonsense I would be looking to create < 1310797834 478271 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would define a piece as: a list of vectors/angles defining how it can move < 1310797847 302034 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A boolean defining whether it can "jump" like a knight < 1310797870 726434 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a series of scripts for special events such as castling, en passant, and promotion < 1310797889 563808 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, pawns are weird < 1310797898 148398 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i decided to define a boolean named virgin for whether or not a piece has moved yet :D < 1310797947 713828 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about a second series of vectors/angles defining how it can take, and if this is omitted, the movement one is used for this as well < 1310797988 839332 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also abstracted the role of the king into an idea of like a squad leader < 1310797999 103705 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, somebody's spammed the wiki < 1310798002 604423 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/100_free_dutch_dating_sites_2008 < 1310798006 542165 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anyone here fix that? < 1310798060 577814 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :First let me grab those sweet free Dutch dating links!~ < 1310798108 94808 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh.. you could have a chess army consisting of multiple squads.. < 1310798115 881432 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you take down the leader, the whole squad falls < 1310798158 792840 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i am full of ideas on this kind of thing.. it provides me some kind of perverse pleasure < 1310798295 247204 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to find a charger cable < 1310798311 102044 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, can anyone recommend an IRC client for Windows XP? < 1310798346 980840 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :YChat works. < 1310798348 507262 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: mIRC, Leafchat < 1310798351 394826 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno how it compares < 1310798376 471814 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses Silverex, which has "YChat" in the title bar
< 1310798413 128745 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. seems they are related < 1310798429 466702 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leafchat looks cool < 1310798441 266626 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking on the about box one of the devs of this ychat has an email address silverex@silverex.org < 1310798475 967539 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to leave, shut down, have breakfast, turn on a different computer, install leafchat, and return < 1310798478 13703 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, so basically, you're using Silverex, which just puts YChat as the name of the program < 1310798480 824733 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Leafchat's got perl scripting and so on, which is neat < 1310798481 38641 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not yet < 1310798493 752929 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im using some version of it < 1310798500 610284 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know < 1310798525 943922 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its listed as: X Chat 2 in the start menu < 1310798566 507593 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1310798729 960972 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silverex is just a build of XChat < 1310798749 15822 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use irssi-proxy and any client you like < 1310798753 19747 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem solves < 1310798757 53653 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*solved < 1310798781 490072 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1310800092 708909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1310800098 309276 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310800233 459959 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1310800263 162536 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310800274 558184 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1310800292 284103 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiyo < 1310800405 136995 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This computer is quite slow < 1310800418 799590 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a normalish computer in 2006 < 1310800424 626093 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what did I do? < 1310800429 986886 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I installed Dwarf Fortress < 1310800470 540050 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naturally < 1310800828 660329 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310801070 346428 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what's happening in the world of esoteric programming? < 1310801104 803948 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You wouldn't have heard about it B-\ < 1310801135 303533 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it B-\"? Sounds interesting < 1310801139 312049 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you elaborate? < 1310801187 6051 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/files/2010/11/hipster-cat.jpg < 1310801204 769861 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no ironic hipster emoticon < 1310801210 322530 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is their greatest triumph < 1310801553 826387 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, why are ink cartridges so tricky to replace? < 1310801573 714317 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you'll ruin them and have to buy more. < 1310801630 211329 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To punish you for not buying a laser printer. < 1310801671 37423 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was holding it upside down < 1310801702 76992 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, you should definitely invest in a laser printer. < 1310801719 477996 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, a printer that you'll probably have to put in your will for your grandchildren. < 1310801843 683738 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't afford one of those! < 1310801857 607152 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A grandchild, not a laser printer < 1310801862 418154 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1310801866 836025 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can afford only one or the other < 1310801880 476173 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Clearly the laser printer is the superior choice. < 1310801886 188621 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can't use Postscript on a grandchild < 1310801888 617342 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Exactly < 1310801898 93461 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you need to have children first. < 1310801922 496923 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in this anti-sanity economic climate, children are likely to cost you twice all the money. < 1310801925 160447 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Unless you're a creative adopter < 1310802018 862462 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adopting pregnant adults, to minimise effort to gain grandchildren? < 1310802045 479052 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You can have pregnant non-adults, y'know. < 1310802063 691943 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, as far as the US is concerned. < 1310802075 220539 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a fairly common thing, though) < 1310802103 34174 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but then you need to look after them < 1310802122 872972 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to minimise long term effort < 1310802161 889367 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it may be undoable in the Status Civitatis Vaticanae... < 1310802289 326479 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way things are with the people of the Vatican? < 1310802296 492994 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as you didn't pronounce that in the style of Church Latin, I'm okay with it < 1310802322 89314 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stahtus kiwitahtis waticahn-eye < 1310802327 397146 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1310802340 839924 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCSE Latin, hopefully coming this August < 1310802341 863482 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: I actually find Church Latin somewhat unnatural. < 1310802347 799636 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Exactly < 1310802355 907814 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's good for ominous chanting < 1310802365 480450 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I'm so glad I'm not the only one who took Latin < 1310802370 427304 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even really know Latin, I just know that Church Latin sucks. :P < 1310802394 635869 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my knowledge of Latin is limited to: orthography, pronunciation, obvious cognates) < 1310802396 231060 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Church Latin is what happens when you let Italians ruin things :| < 1310802424 276582 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and random things memorised courtesy of high school choir) < 1310802437 500602 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lingua latina Pateri mala est < 1310802446 867875 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: The age of consent in the Vatican is 12. < 1310802450 381887 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned more about English in two years of Latin than I did in all my other schooling < 1310802491 185745 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: And no one is surprised~ < 1310802504 846267 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is a master of outdated topical humor
< 1310802516 920856 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: They copied most of the laws in existence in Italy in the early 1900s. < 1310802521 57750 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including their age of consent. < 1310802529 897106 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And have since not changed it. < 1310802540 486514 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :God did it. His Laws are unchanging. < 1310802541 761410 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The claim is sometimes made that "In the Vatican State, there is an equal age of consent set at 12 years of age",[48] but this is incorrect. In 1929, when the Lateran Treaty was signed, the age of consent in Italy was 12,[49], and this was indeed adopted by the Vatican. However, as stated above, the rise in the Italian age of consent applied automatically to the Vatican City." < 1310802543 285508 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duh.~ < 1310802549 924270 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^From Wikipedia < 1310802557 379914 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: D'awww. < 1310802564 963162 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's my vacation shot < 1310802576 191481 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1310802584 643000 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 13 in Spain < 1310802587 368360 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1310802624 841933 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 12 in parts of Mexico < 1310802626 305609 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spanish is an awful language :/ < 1310802626 783571 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1310802631 696296 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's just me < 1310802639 167224 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hong Kong has an age of consent of 16 for heterosexual sex. < 1310802644 957337 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no age of consent for homosexual sex. < 1310802657 952588 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 9 in Yemen < 1310802663 96336 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you have to be married < 1310802668 989511 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precisely < 1310802670 140498 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not because it's illegal to be gay. < 1310802673 13101 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric, indeed < 1310802690 721325 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But because the only law estabilishing an age of consent was struck down in the courts. < 1310802697 431873 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the FBI asks, this was a very complex conversation about combinators < 1310802715 845335 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it's legal for Catholic priests to fuck little boys in Hong Kong. < 1310802729 885609 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note all the 'Y's" I'll say < 1310802733 181364 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not little girls. < 1310802747 406985 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I'm sure complaints are minimal < 1310802755 835140 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My English Teacher moved to Hong Kong < 1310802773 779554 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my piano teacher moved to China < 1310802786 923814 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pedophiles, all < 1310802792 643965 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or *paedo, I guess < 1310802831 687508 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pædo < 1310803122 586952 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds > 1310803209 270140 JOIN :#esoteric > 1310803250 542966 JOIN :#esoteric > 1310803299 623560 JOIN :#esoteric > 1310803338 608805 JOIN :#esoteric > 1310803381 527810 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310803381 546335 :glogbot!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1310803402 916496 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, is it properly Mancuvian, or Mancunian? < 1310803416 76536 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For someone from Manchester? < 1310803426 604432 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1310803434 467356 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mancunian < 1310803454 499923 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the hell did I hear Mancuvian, then? :/ I've thought that that was the term for ages < 1310803467 994337 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea < 1310803473 165552 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bizarre < 1310803483 581331 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a novacastrian, incidentally < 1310803500 981863 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's even better than liverpudlian :D < 1310803502 878510 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*novocastrian < 1310803533 31418 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't have a thick enough accent to be a geordie < 1310803563 172738 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha < 1310803586 274848 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, I was wondering what was killing my battery life. Had some Monte Carlo Java nonsense running in the background < 1310803589 393501 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION not amused
< 1310803591 439173 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is < 1310803684 825645 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a geordie comedian I see on QI occasionally that I find very funny, but I can never remember his name < 1310803694 647840 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ross Noble? < 1310803714 27449 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the one < 1310803754 463983 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm mostly in it for the Stephen Fry goodness, but they get some good people on there :D < 1310803766 745928 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I watch it for Alan Davies < 1310803779 479463 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a winner < 1310803838 399260 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about... an esolang based on QI! < 1310803926 731566 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it's already been done and abstracted to some absurd level already :D < 1310803942 56655 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats QI? < 1310803949 517924 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :British panel show < 1310803961 157829 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it IQ backwards? < 1310803968 438101 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It stands for Quite Interesting < 1310803977 173595 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of a trivia show, but with vague points and barely any right answers < 1310803986 314693 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1310803997 266318 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What language did the Romans speak?" < 1310804000 839420 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :News items, too < 1310804003 94824 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*silence* < 1310804009 886303 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...Dutch?" < 1310804022 810517 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Name a poisonous snake." < 1310804024 220750 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You lose points for saying the obvious answer < 1310804027 468600 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Piers Morgan" < 1310804042 397593 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What was the great dissapoitment" < 1310804050 28342 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Have you been talking to my husband?" < 1310804054 720615 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :"last night" < 1310804056 156366 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehehe < 1310804081 68439 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ross Noble had some surprisingly accurate answers about hedgehogs a few weeks ago < 1310804088 687456 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few weeks ago? < 1310804098 191760 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, where was I a few weeks ago... < 1310804098 399775 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :May have been more < 1310804117 809874 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that there is a QI esolang though. < 1310804124 776611 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I download it since I can't do the BBC video thing from here and they don't show it on BbCA < 1310804128 226049 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*BBCA < 1310804137 662261 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a very good reason for that < 1310804144 898268 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They use a lot of copyrighted stuff < 1310804148 776447 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1310804150 911728 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is licensed only for the UK < 1310804151 416449 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :although.. much to my surprise, a term i thought up "hashashins weed" has already been used < 1310804154 444437 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And New Zealand < 1310804161 303330 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqRkkVQ6OSE < 1310804194 445192 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, good, they finally updated the HTML5 player on youtube < 1310804221 107933 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pubenda is a great word < 1310804239 792064 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might have to name our QI esolang that < 1310804265 260855 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about BCL with Q and I instead of 1 and 0 < 1310804274 609033 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Alan Davies and Stephen Fry < 1310804298 640994 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Davies constant < 1310804378 864935 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA8qT5PzSS4&feature=related < 1310804440 436654 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :David Mitchell's brilliant, as well < 1310804543 512983 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grover Cleveland was two presidents of the United States :D < 1310804606 204012 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kndxsByVscA&feature=related < 1310804702 984518 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfDCwP2SnI4&feature=related < 1310805681 665765 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aX26k5ZNzI&feature=related < 1310805701 107629 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comedic timing at its finest < 1310805810 447748 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-194-210.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310805971 873794 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-31.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1310808321 693533 :azaq23!~derivecto@pD9E35140.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1310808326 576608 :azaq23!~derivecto@pD9E35140.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1310808326 594571 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310808475 52363 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1310809184 117770 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello? < 1310809610 993560 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning < 1310809631 492670 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My town's got a music festival this afternoon < 1310809635 592260 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just did a full 14'er < 1310809658 971376 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :14'er? < 1310809664 356999 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had a music festival a few weekends ago < 1310809668 735349 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you know a full night's sleep < 1310809674 758803 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1310809694 816605 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think i've ever been asleep that long < 1310809707 546652 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had about two hours last night < 1310809722 674812 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, I remembered why I don't like it when I'm cleanshaven < 1310809774 822861 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I look like a freakin' elf < 1310809826 906952 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you make the awesomest palindromes, you don't need sex and you don't need sleep. you are a fucking superhuman :| < 1310809837 418257 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and you can transform into an elf < 1310809870 583470 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :people think i'm 5-10 cm shorter than i actually am because of my crouching < 1310809880 542871 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not sure that's transforming into an elf < 1310809890 444869 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a dwarf < 1310809893 272794 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe a hobbit < 1310809898 264068 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on your facial hair < 1310809899 257228 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :santa's elves are drarves < 1310809910 868237 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Santa's elves are gnomes < 1310809962 940152 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they have the property of dwarves which made you say dwarf in the first place < 1310809965 737838 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dwarves < 1310809973 172210 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for facial hair < 1310810006 288410 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anything, Santa's elves are Sami < 1310810017 782228 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah but i have my own way of elving up and it uses a different breed of elf < 1310810087 119693 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl i f x = i f $ f x < 1310810087 496111 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i = fix ((.) =<<) < 1310810100 112942 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1310810101 514708 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1310810106 355789 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make Lambdabot call itself? < 1310810130 948710 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no know < 1310810136 199461 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src lambdabot < 1310810136 636632 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. BOB says: You seem to have forgotten your passwd, enter another! < 1310810147 332376 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src LambdaBot < 1310810147 731887 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. < 1310810164 524774 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src foldl' < 1310810164 835643 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldl' f a [] = a < 1310810165 140083 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldl' f a (x:xs) = let a' = f a x in a' `seq` foldl' f a' xs < 1310810710 349838 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so did i tell you i met this canadian guy who thought stars are planets and was pretty sure scientology is the science of studying science < 1310810718 70123 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1310810731 544798 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But one of my friends thought the capital of the US was in British Columbia < 1310810744 377361 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...how? < 1310810759 338656 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got mixed up with Distric of. < 1310810759 395662 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Washington BC < 1310810828 416057 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway it was kinda fun, 21yo dude who had never been told the first thing about space (perhaps they teach something that's actually useful instead in canada, dunno what tho) < 1310810842 785189 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again knowing the capital of anything is useless trivia, especially when it isn't the largest or most famous city in the country < 1310810843 38597 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fighting polar bears? < 1310810851 776148 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, true < 1310810853 833889 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And take in mind that some people just can't be taught. < 1310810881 381384 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. the capital of america is new york) < 1310810892 347416 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After we did the early USSR in History for about three months, some people in my class still had no idea who Lenin was < 1310810900 792840 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and Australia's is Sydney) < 1310810918 456136 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was studying accounting and i'm like isn't that stuff just adding up numbers? and he says nono there's so much more there's, let's see, managerial accounting, and then ummmm cost accounting, and well that's all i've had sofar. and i ask what those are and he's like < 1310810980 322257 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...which i assumed meant "adding up numbers". < 1310811019 589148 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sylvester McCoy is going to play Radagast the Brown in the Hobbit movie! < 1310811193 218316 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0&feature=related fny sho < 1310811291 904262 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to quote you on my user page < 1310811351 715819 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :go ahead, although it's HackEgo quotes i'm after < 1310811702 515131 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe :P < 1310811997 847451 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229066135.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, your message got cut at "he's like" < 1310812176 171523 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: no it didn't, actually < 1310812184 692634 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i suppose that's a bit confusing of a thing. < 1310812320 270833 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :he made a reaction of the kind that you would assume meant "adding up numbers" < 1310812337 228998 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no actually he said nothing < 1310812345 928868 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1310812357 736109 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what olsner said but my cutting it off meant precisely what i said < 1310812415 561568 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229066135.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty cool: https://markup.mozilla.org/en-US/#/mark/new < 1310812611 500496 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's essentially a simpler version of DeviantArt Muro? < 1310812636 693140 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they won't let ie users in < 1310812649 647919 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, DeviantArt? < 1310812711 450231 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On another not, Oerjan demonstrated how easy it is to program in NUmberwang < 1310812715 875704 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a problem < 1310812722 529103 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be hard to program in < 1310812873 203434 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no what cheater_ linked < 1310812897 185176 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^*note < 1310813021 881769 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i preferred on another not < 1310813349 969304 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1310813359 73856 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net NICK :TanebIsGone < 1310813531 619628 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's Numberwang < 1310815085 921462 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310815472 987367 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRbj1Q4tXNo&feature=related these are just amazing < 1310815667 133690 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Casting them for the Mac ads was genius. < 1310815682 435834 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Webb plays the smug, pretentious git so well. < 1310816213 946810 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1310816214 128383 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1310816653 396218 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit these are good < 1310818074 346338 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :þÿÿÿRsåv…såv < 1310818118 887866 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same to you < 1310818725 316943 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1310818725 384392 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au QUIT :*.net *.split < 1310818798 56342 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1310818798 110535 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310819087 318960 :foocraft!~ewanas@89.211.190.38 QUIT :Quit: So long, and thanks for all the fish! < 1310819089 61246 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1310820568 289622 :CakeProphet!~adam@h173.1.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310820568 307632 :CakeProphet!~adam@h173.1.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1310820568 307759 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1310821504 907103 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1310821648 27659 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't causation correlate to correlation? < 1310821669 594854 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but that doesn't mean there's a causation < 1310821708 278645 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEREFORE CAUSATION DOESN'T CAUSE CORRELATION < 1310821709 438802 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my god. < 1310821731 969322 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this should be published. This is world-breaking research. < 1310821745 452979 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not following you, but i'll gladly coauthor it with you < 1310821776 295884 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which, i should get my euler number in august yay < 1310821782 360119 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you actually have to be right to get published in an academic journal. < 1310821812 84625 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you just need to have a lot to say and a lot of sources. < 1310821813 569391 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why so :o < 1310821826 595717 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have a lot to say? < 1310821850 550552 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote two articles last week < 1310821867 611287 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's not strictly required that you be full of shit to publish something, of course. < 1310821876 311642 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think it happens. It's just a hunch, really < 1310821880 789227 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It helps < 1310821894 391376 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read the last 6 preprints on arXiv < 1310821898 579584 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i misread you :D < 1310821903 913697 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bet 3 of them are bullshit < 1310821918 12056 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read " I don't think you actually have the right to get published in an academic journal." :D < 1310821925 708311 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 if you only read the physics section < 1310821940 475722 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll gladly admit i'm full of shit but i certainly have a lot to say :D < 1310821971 976824 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: and lots of sources, no doubt. < 1310822030 893556 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure i do < 1310822340 764274 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310823741 344478 :TanebIsGone!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1310823806 280569 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb is gone is gone < 1310824379 229159 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floodatkaa. < 1310824392 851498 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flöödätkää. < 1310824422 917596 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turhauttavinta. Käyttämisessä. Pitää. < 1310824434 42995 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko < 1310824435 78740 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko < 1310824437 76714 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1310824438 220664 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko < 1310824439 74298 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1310824441 158383 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokoko < 1310824442 708587 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko < 1310824443 990321 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko < 1310824446 831481 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1310824447 952519 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1310824449 100156 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko < 1310824451 319353 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokoko < 1310824456 306331 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kaikkein turhauttavinta. < 1310824496 745625 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laumastastasta suomi. < 1310824510 220528 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okokoko turhauttavinta. < 1310824571 197251 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think a double elative is very meaningful < 1310824587 964746 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"from from a herd" < 1310824597 537209 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is elative for when you're very happy. < 1310824611 131947 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, lauma = herd, laumasta = happy herd < 1310824612 152750 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Triple, isn't it? < 1310824620 629659 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1310824624 57710 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry misread < 1310824628 265316 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :been doing that a lot today < 1310824643 287452 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :read laumastastansa < 1310824645 899346 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough < 1310824655 703497 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Raikuja! Raikuja koirut siviisetsa! < 1310824657 926060 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, from from his herd < 1310824725 826222 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sölötölövölötölöstän. < 1310824743 694840 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laumassa. Laumat. Laumoineen. < 1310824793 562317 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: say, didn't I plan to meet you somewhere in Finland some time in the year 2014? < 1310824797 698239 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid I must reschedule. < 1310824805 958849 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1310824811 892664 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you coming early or dying of cancer? < 1310824907 319624 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've forgotten the time and place, for one. < 1310824935 382567 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone were to find that promise in the logs, would there be further problems < 1310824975 474113 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what did you end up studying at the uni, i only recall your prechoice mumblings on the matter < 1310824999 814048 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Math. < 1310825029 64984 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool so how many years now, 1? < 1310825087 127819 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what have you learned < 1310825212 490655 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if you know this but i love math < 1310825438 840925 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1310825488 894992 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-169.vpn.utu.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1310825494 516424 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :correlation correlating with causation is correlated with correlation causes causation, and thus causes correlation to cause causation < 1310825500 488426 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1310825507 353362 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :correlation correlating with causation is correlated with correlation causing causation, and thus causes correlation to cause causation < 1310825588 48818 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-3-85.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1310825588 66701 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-3-85.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1310825588 66763 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1310825718 966606 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1310825920 267418 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just think about what you could do with a hundred million moneys < 1310825962 457209 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you have to admit < 1310825965 971109 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a manyload of moneys. < 1310826104 161842 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is almost too many manyloads, so many I cannot think of many more. < 1310826170 997971 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a hundred of a million. I don't even know what kind of math you would need to calculate one hundred millions. < 1310826196 543027 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :more math than you can carry around in a purse that's for sure. < 1310826217 829359 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> just consider having eight sevens. < 1310826218 694891 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation) < 1310826227 308974 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that even mean? < 1310826234 558112 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1310826237 665959 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking miraculous. < 1310826249 833521 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means that your expression is so wrong it can't even work out where to start. < 1310826266 274434 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1310826289 510320 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I have a pizza and a choice of 3 out of 12 toppings. < 1310826298 119728 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I don't think they've gotten enough math for that. < 1310826310 596267 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean you have a choice of 1 out of 4 toppings < 1310826337 896411 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? no, that's uh... three less of those. Fuck how do you even describe that. < 1310826349 810960 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3/12 = 1/4 < 1310826362 749208 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like having the thing that a hundred millions makes, but then reversing it. < 1310826366 429143 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that even mean. < 1310826382 866094 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so confused. I think I'm going to go to sleep. < 1310826387 836301 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1310826396 661411 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should have majored in the maths.
< 1310826400 194320 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, you mean 000000001? < 1310826401 96911 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should have. < 1310826414 615887 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone should major in maths, because maths is better < 1310826439 795479 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, better than. < 1310826478 850144 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait, is 12 choose 3 == 1 choose 4 < 1310826485 201562 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am pretty sure it is not. < 1310826492 49507 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, you choose every fourth < 1310826492 692457 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not. < 1310826494 323447 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but do not feel like getting my computer to calculate it. < 1310826550 600148 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pascal's triangle would be so fucked.. < 1310826574 190700 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh whoops < 1310826582 644518 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah 12 choose 3 != 1 choose 4 < 1310826586 428606 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 4 choose 1 < 1310826595 831489 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, I didn't really make it entirely clear that that was the actual problem. < 1310826625 92630 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, math can't even do that shit. it's unpossible. < 1310826643 987721 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, good night. < 1310826650 809144 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what can't math do? < 1310826652 315021 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :math can do it < 1310826673 222012 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously you have never read the definition of unpossible. < 1310826689 11954 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP MAKING ME REPLY. yes, you are making me, with voodoo. < 1310826691 311665 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed i unhave read it < 1310826719 275326 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :should go out but i can't find my unbrella < 1310826862 643585 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/ir3xv/we_know_the_universe_is_very_nearly_flat_does/ < 1310826879 87972 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[I] have taken an advanced undergrad course in topology." < 1310826889 303362 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I accept this assumption, but even with it I'm not seeing the connection between the universe's boundary and its geometry." < 1310827389 868498 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1310827454 35092 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-3-85.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1310827454 74536 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-3-85.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1310827454 92500 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1310827489 195534 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :þÿÿÿRsåv…såv < 1310828181 423722 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310828569 278974 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 choose 12 is equal to 1 choose 4. < 1310828749 384503 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it? < 1310828754 561183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1310828759 684946 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is. < 1310828773 806753 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what you are talking about < 1310828787 239702 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're equal. < 1310828788 33642 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're trying to do division, but have chosen the wrong word < 1310828797 149684 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. It's the "choose" operator. < 1310828797 833853 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, it... really doesn't seem like it should be. < 1310828808 42784 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language? < 1310828820 796436 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, maths. < 1310828822 995044 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 choose 12 equals 1 choose 4 equals zero < 1310828842 869285 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x choose y is the number of subsets of size y of a set of cardinality x. And 3 choose 12 is equal to 1 choose 4. < 1310828848 769968 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 choose 3 does not equal 4 choose 1 < 1310828931 400529 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's definitely different. < 1310828947 5868 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but 3 choose 12 is the same as 1 choose 4. < 1310828955 785134 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1310828957 145077 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 7 choose 71278 < 1310828965 521605 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, also zero. < 1310828969 486794 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever the second is more than the first, it's 0 < 1310828972 462532 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just looked it up < 1310828978 949023 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I always forget which way round it is. < 1310828999 714780 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, just remember the phrase. "From 3, choose 12." < 1310829064 895803 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had never encountered that operaor before < 1310829104 178901 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, wait, you have a GCSE and stats and you'd never encountered the choice function? < 1310829115 938809 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1310829120 945594 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1310829158 227528 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All we seemed to learn about was the difference between primary and secondary research and how we could do market research < 1310829163 905612 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: quick, express (a + b)^n as a summation! < 1310829226 195513 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you're just making fun of the poor quality of my education < 1310829476 631138 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what I'm even trying to do < 1310830191 476156 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you explain it? < 1310830233 367079 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, give a closed form for the nth term of (a + b)^n, basically. < 1310830373 409603 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one's saying 12 choose 3 is equal to 4 choose 1 AS A NUMBER, but they are PHILOSOPHICALLY the same < 1310830389 671702 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover:... < 1310830435 108780 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, well, it should be the mth term, since the two ns aren't the same. < 1310830453 981955 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or better still, the kth term. < 1310830466 454876 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah and when you're done, give us the third term of the set {1, 5, 4, 6, 2, 76, 8, 4, 2} < 1310830530 673760 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so GCSE means what exactly, i think i asked this recently < 1310830546 605160 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A relatively low level qualification < 1310830562 778363 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you haven't done any math, cs or physics? < 1310830566 276823 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which you mean the lowest-level qualification. < 1310830584 446106 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Kind of like ylioppilaskirjoitukset but done after the yläaste-equivalent < 1310830590 276870 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1310830592 195721 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done maths and physics, awaiting results < 1310830595 565882 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet i didn't know that operation at that point either < 1310830605 413815 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although our qualifications in Scotland go insanely low; there are like 4 types of idiot exam. < 1310830628 37238 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i had taken a few high school courses in elementary school so i guess i did know it < 1310830654 48171 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't recall choice having been taught there otherwise < 1310830705 384439 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although nobody ever actually takes the lowest 3 to my knowledge. < 1310830762 962027 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ppl so stuppid rite? :DD < 1310830774 686171 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we... we something upper than that. < 1310830788 933832 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You something upper than that < 1310830791 601952 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*? < 1310830803 627549 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :upper an idiot i'm way! :\ < 1310830820 446769 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i tried borrowing people's cellphones < 1310830850 745747 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wh... what? < 1310830863 247985 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :idgi, in paris and other third world countries the streets are full of all sorts of crooks and everyone still treats you like you're a person; out there everyone assumed i was going to do something fishy < 1310830867 337142 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i asked like 20 ppl < 1310830870 989364 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :two gave me their phones < 1310830886 36667 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :one typed the number in himself, and looked a bit scared < 1310830897 138434 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm pretty scary) < 1310830913 472528 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other one was a druggie so he was nice ofc < 1310830917 219446 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if you didn't go around wearing a stocking on your head all the time. < 1310830948 745573 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was driving around on my scooter/kickboard/whatever, which makes people look at you a bit weirdly as only kids use those < 1310830952 39430 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37X4WAmwiJQ < 1310830997 822184 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I was also referring to that picture of oklofok I've seen. < 1310831071 97564 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. that was a football though < 1310831117 50890 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no bank robber would wear something like that < 1310831152 330382 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reckon that nowadays a bank robber would wear their underwear and never leave their house < 1310831202 507699 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true < 1310831239 819305 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear god the weather < 1310831247 675348 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so umm were those real reactions? < 1310831249 247262 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1310831264 772685 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've lived in the UK for 14.5 years and I'm still not used to the weather < 1310831268 294401 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you assume someone's a robber before they have stated this < 1310831285 5340 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate people < 1310831286 750724 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they are prejudiced < 1310831297 583340 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially the Asians. < 1310831326 363928 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why be prejudiced about something that's not true < 1310831348 907624 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a robber wouldn't wear something like that because you can see their face 100% < 1310831352 21374 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the best thing to be prejudiced about < 1310831372 792853 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, I'm guessing it makes it harder to make it out on CCTV. < 1310831382 235551 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's actually a good point < 1310831413 945399 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I've lived in the UK for 14.5 years and I'm still not used to the weather < 1310831432 818907 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I mentioned that my breath fogged up in mid-morning in May inside my house. < 1310831435 476982 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, the guy with the stocking on his head did nothing wrong, bite your fucking tongue < 1310831446 391864 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrible people < 1310831459 695088 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're in Australia < 1310831469 354868 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have to assume that everybody is trying to kill them < 1310831473 943182 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the safest way < 1310831597 967460 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the rain is really heavy < 1310831604 149880 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love the rain < 1310831607 603304 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1310831628 859516 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My front road's going to flood again < 1310831689 137937 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :small price to pay < 1310831711 923612 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The majority of my towns sewage flows through a small pipe along my roud < 1310831761 304010 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*roud < 1310831763 803664 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*road < 1310831776 175821 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1310831792 239654 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When my road floods, it smells awful < 1310831794 935680 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't have floods here, so maybe i'm missing something < 1310831797 272690 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1310831968 547451 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, now one side of the road is dangerous to drive through < 1310832012 215196 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both paths < 1310832029 539277 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That bus just left a freakin' wake < 1310832048 778434 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The majority of my towns sewage flows through a small pipe along my roud < 1310832058 15707 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well don't drive < 1310832060 480111 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please don't tell me you live in Hexham. < 1310832066 176504 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you know < 1310832083 586069 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, you just worked out where I live < 1310832083 915642 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You... you do live in Hexham, don't you. < 1310832088 45714 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1310832091 453986 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1310832091 910308 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he can't < 1310832093 183440 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This < 1310832094 275945 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1310832095 810266 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be too cool < 1310832105 725899 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do < 1310832115 704939 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you don't < 1310832118 622888 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rain's just stopped < 1310832121 169799 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly do < 1310832130 892243 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many people live in hexham? < 1310832137 782867 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just short of 12000 < 1310832155 993541 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then either you do not live in hexham or we know who brought you here < 1310832167 559884 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither seems that unlikely < 1310832200 897880 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seriously do live in Hexham < 1310832254 285260 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you were brought here by your irl contacts < 1310832273 658137 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :msg me a name? < 1310832282 43078 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a secret, so no < 1310832284 200022 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I wasn't < 1310832299 193828 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got here from the wiki, which I got from Wikipedia < 1310832308 579734 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. well elliott lives in hexham as well < 1310832322 496081 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mann? < 1310832326 895174 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott Mann? < 1310832327 226379 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mann? < 1310832330 4457 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1310832334 519878 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, Hird. < 1310832340 420973 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know him? < 1310832346 397373 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I do not < 1310832353 952996 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's this kid who refused to meet me a few weeks ago < 1310832367 377686 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He lives in Hexham? < 1310832390 742341 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Age range? < 1310832411 330464 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 iirc < 1310832422 348965 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe he's 18 now < 1310832434 64779 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE MAY NEVER KNOW < 1310832436 610274 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know neither any 12 nor 18 year olds < 1310832447 13620 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, yes, this is because he is neither of these. < 1310832506 639570 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can conlude he probably doesn't have a Facebook account < 1310832533 59385 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone still uses facebook? < 1310832534 636291 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1310832568 430205 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I let my Facebook get out of hand. < 1310832577 48286 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310832577 96730 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1789 friends < 1310832606 424856 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, what a crazy day < 1310832610 689059 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1310832626 531083 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can prove that I live in Hexham! < 1310832637 943816 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Earlier today, I said I was going to a music fest in my town < 1310832665 774254 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.visitnorthumberland.com/site/events/shows-and-festivals/selefest-2011-p573711#ProductList-/site/events/shows-and-festivals/selefest-2011-p573711 < 1310832686 215549 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... not very good proof. < 1310832695 408580 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a guy with your palindrome talent could easily work it out we were going to ask you if you lived in hexham. < 1310832702 90180 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-it < 1310832721 731935 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had no idea that you were going to ask me if I lived in Hexham < 1310832747 712671 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you look at the date of that website, it's today! < 1310832766 860601 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many festivals a year does hexham have? < 1310832777 36910 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know, 1! < 1310832803 392691 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then there's that other time when the rollercoasters come < 1310832819 460533 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1310832822 825507 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that other time when there's a historical redoey thingy on about the Hexham Protests < 1310832835 132660 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reenactment < 1310832837 520555 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Riots < 1310832870 263754 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :""Hexham" was used in the Borders as a euphemism for "Hell"." < 1310832883 373203 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never heard that except on Wikipedia < 1310832892 47947 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but do you live in the Borders? < 1310832902 15190 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1310832943 947123 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, I don't live in the Borders < 1310832949 679088 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except by a really loose definition < 1310832957 984232 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb didn't you say you have read the whole wp < 1310832965 329089 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1310832972 586298 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said I read Wikipedia often < 1310832977 509959 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right < 1310832983 46327 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That includes my hometown < 1310833054 818507 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've edited the Wikipedia page for my School! < 1310833055 772044 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Queen_Elizabeth_High_School,_Hexham&action=history < 1310833081 292593 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Queen_Elizabeth_High_School,_Hexham&diff=prev&oldid=371171660 < 1310833095 813141 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that proves nothing, you could've edited every school's wp page at that time. < 1310833110 924149 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the hell would I do that < 1310833125 698473 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229066135.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is.. < 1310833129 527104 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229066135.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you *not* do that? < 1310833132 668394 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1310833135 989622 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also < 1310833143 851479 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could've done that SO YOU COULD FAKE LIVING ANYWHERE YOU WANTED < 1310833154 890351 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a silly question < 1310833155 759732 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229066135.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for finland < 1310833161 759124 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for finland. < 1310833180 491460 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i know all the other 4 finns < 1310833189 564365 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229066135.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're all drunk < 1310833197 744477 :foocraft!~ewanas@78.101.149.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310833204 126930 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no need for alcohol < 1310833213 543275 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229066135.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHA!!! < 1310833219 783455 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229066135.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT PROVES YOU DO NOT LIVE IN FINLAND < 1310833228 556504 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229066135.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE ARE HOT ON YOUR TRACK, MISTER < 1310833235 596057 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ...can you fly? < 1310833242 969468 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never tried < 1310833244 357553 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229066135.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1310833248 541392 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you prolly could :| < 1310833268 428426 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that Taneb's user page redirects to "High Middle Ages".
< 1310833284 49608 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/ABCD does anyone understand this < 1310833303 414600 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:39:06: I'm a Northumbrian <-- and you say that after i was joking the other they that you were coincidentally Elliott's next door neighboor < 1310833312 876360 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :New theory: oerjan is actually a prophet. < 1310833323 726692 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Category:ABCD_Programming_Language_Family < 1310833324 594520 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was? < 1310833347 579920 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the "revolver architect" deal on that guy's user page http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/User:Billlam < 1310833375 754449 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in the talk pagges for two of those < 1310833377 356555 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, well, you're practically his next-door neighbour, especially in internet terms. < 1310833399 550879 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My next door neighbours are Mr Snowdon and the Bradshaws! < 1310833407 259458 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of whom are called Elliott < 1310833408 807576 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION repeats he has found his next-building neighbor not through this channel
< 1310833413 94388 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, based on the fact that he probably goes to the same school as you... < 1310833414 975948 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erh < 1310833418 797292 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION repeats he has found his next-building neighbor through this channel
< 1310833479 856853 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone's just crossed the still flooded road barefoot < 1310833492 569910 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/ABCD does anyone understand this" <<< i can honestly say i do < 1310833506 75444 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :please enlighten me < 1310833525 900484 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's essentially deadfish with no square function, as well as input < 1310833568 539287 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, it's basically a matter of "idiots exist". < 1310833584 408635 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1310833609 238739 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1310833974 295503 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK so guys I am being dragged off to Ireland in two days and I need something to stave off the boredom for a week. < 1310834006 689103 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :err drugs? < 1310834071 98639 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the druggie probably only lent me his phone because he wanted to know where you can get drugs here in turku < 1310834075 508901 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, rather hard to obtain on such short notice. < 1310834094 757812 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1310834100 351215 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :EstablishmentLov < 1310834107 908843 :EstablishmentLov!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin < 1310834127 595837 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :walk outside and find a dealer? < 1310834179 141895 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, could take a while. < 1310834206 102806 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i told this german girl prostitution is illegal on every street in finland, and she's like "okay, so where do the prostitutes work then?" < 1310834217 380366 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish we were more like europe < 1310834234 468394 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you are in Europe. < 1310834253 239204 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we're not like europe < 1310834292 582869 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i say i wish i spoke japanese like a jap i don't mean i wish i spoke japanese like a jap who doesn't have a mouth because he ripped it off < 1310834338 44676 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't fault your logic. < 1310834380 7558 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly we just use the phrase "like europe" in here to refer to non-scandinavic europe (oh we also refer to finland as a part of scandinavia usually) < 1310834417 489513 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1310834430 620870 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean we are essentially the same country as sweden except for the language < 1310834435 907124 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the army < 1310834509 119552 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310834713 171729 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229066135.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1310834746 310796 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the ducks. < 1310835690 453197 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay this chasers thing is incredibly awesome as well < 1310835696 540905 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm just really easy to impress today < 1310835715 118969 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF I HAVE TOLD YOU YOU'RE AWESOME TODAY, SORRY, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT TRUE AND YOUR LIVES ARE SAD AS SHIT. < 1310835728 378789 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in case < 1310835739 352556 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i was thinking maybe i'll start smoking < 1310835745 508695 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, now < 1310835749 682923 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if i have a lighter < 1310835755 545740 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, have you got to their APEC stunt? < 1310835762 43298 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope not yet < 1310835770 986745 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :link surfing at random < 1310836138 198369 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've actually always wanted to try handing out money on the street < 1310836608 457483 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GclCE0cLA-o best ending < 1310836638 210117 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i'm sorry, i outrank you" "can i ask what's going on here?" "sorry, i'm afraid it's classified" "no problem" < 1310836664 221063 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229066135.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1310836924 775264 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, that's not the one I was talking about, but I hadn't seen it. < 1310836972 195080 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually when i linked it i had forgotten about your suggestion completely, just randomly linke, so lucky me, what's the real one? < 1310837091 638061 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one with the motorcade. < 1310837241 886043 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310837276 977819 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's SFA? < 1310837285 566841 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdnAaQ0n5-8 ? < 1310838519 618900 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hadn't heard of this but that's like straight outta hustle < 1310839052 807220 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the one episode of The Hustle I've seen, I agree. < 1310839201 584836 :foocraft!~ewanas@78.101.149.71 QUIT :Quit: So long, and thanks for all the fish! < 1310839279 782637 :foocraft!~ewanas@78.101.149.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310839293 436037 :cheater__!~ubuntu@g229129093.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1310839357 324474 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229066135.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1310839408 311781 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7hcFuxVc_Q&feature=related xD < 1310839462 485716 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1310839479 431359 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello friend < 1310839559 978604 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still not believing I live in Hexham < 1310839579 274215 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1310839596 596689 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm currently acting on the assumption that you will consistently claim to be from hexham < 1310839601 861418 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's what you mean < 1310839606 357674 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1310839623 234050 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot think of a way to prove that I am in Hexham < 1310839630 874061 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i wouldn't say i believe it's a physical fact that you live there, although i currently highly suspect that to be the case < 1310839632 439695 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1310839637 631088 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you think of one, let me know < 1310839646 250986 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are very easy ways to do that < 1310839659 453271 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as? < 1310839700 50899 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to one of the things hexham has that is on the internet and put something of my choice there < 1310839712 100475 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :say a shoe on top of the most famous building < 1310839722 853821 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not going on top of the Abbey < 1310839749 805686 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will stand next to the abbey in site of the Hexham Courant Webcam for a while with a sign saying "I AM TANEB" < 1310839752 549126 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not today < 1310839805 803924 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, that would be nice of you < 1310839819 206513 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And confusing to everyone around me < 1310839820 622914 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would certainly believe you then < 1310839876 236224 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :full belief is so liberating compared to even a slight doubt < 1310839888 239964 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because all you need to store is the fact, you can just forget the proof < 1310839902 738375 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like Turing-Completeness < 1310839928 626447 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how to prove Lambda Calculus is Turing Complete < 1310839940 207974 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite simply? < 1310839949 443491 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably < 1310839957 974295 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is I don't need to < 1310839967 525087 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because everyone who has an interest already knows < 1310839992 882464 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an interest, but i wouldn't say i actually know, i'm pretty sure i could do it tho < 1310840005 175649 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use the Brainfuck interpreter Ben Gould provided, then use the reduction from BF to P´´, then use Bohm's proof that P´´ is TC. < 1310840013 458654 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah i get your point < 1310840039 641818 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unlike ph, i'm going to guess) < 1310840050 705695 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah he's smart < 1310840056 577641 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't find a lighter :( < 1310840059 553047 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna go buy one < 1310840086 999661 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know an IRC client that works on a Kindle? < 1310840088 664693 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just craft one out of flint and steel. < 1310840122 756359 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, it's not on Google, therefore it doesn't exist. < 1310840148 897139 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got Mibbit working for Kindle < 1310840154 273351 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Freenode blocks mibbit < 1310840169 266186 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try Freenode's webchat? < 1310840201 361789 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any consensus for the bit-packing order of bit input/output operations on esolangs? < 1310840222 874323 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, big-endian or little-endian? < 1310840228 825763 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1310840238 195665 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, why would there be? < 1310840251 257573 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not even a consensus IRL < 1310840296 179096 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRL here, of course, means in conventional programming < 1310840325 58475 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course not, consensus is stupid for things like that. < 1310840342 374107 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i didn't mean whether it'd be big or little endian, i meant whether the bit-packing order *is* fixed. < 1310840349 584418 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consensus is important for stuff like EoF in BF, because they're all meant to be doing the same thing. < 1310840369 321792 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is consensus second or fourth declension? < 1310840376 643698 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any esolang that may use little endian or big endian for bit packing from time to time? < 1310840435 886474 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as far as I'm aware < 1310840442 598674 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, 4th. < 1310840446 629124 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1310840469 598450 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not even a consensus as to which order to list cases for Latin words! < 1310840489 640018 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with this Nom, Gen, Dat, Acc, Abl, Voc? < 1310840506 372814 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You put voc last? < 1310840510 172300 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eew. < 1310840514 312189 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiktionary does < 1310840532 798316 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, and it puts acc after gen and dat? < 1310840536 649137 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1310840539 924973 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1310840550 621337 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sensus < 1310840625 394445 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do it like Cambridge Latin Course does. < 1310840638 481998 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nom, Voc, Acc, Gen, Dat, Abl < 1310840652 570235 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't come from sensus also Oxford Latin Course does it the same way. < 1310840673 122470 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's them who's weird < 1310840721 867743 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than myself playing 123456 Chess on a chessboard, there have been two other games over computer I am not a player in either one of them. There has been Nicholas Wolff against Vitya Makov and je ju against Nicholas Wolff. Wolff won the first game and I think they will probably win the second game as well. < 1310840783 856675 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1310840811 909386 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's best to just ignore him. < 1310840865 155985 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I'm told over and over again to not release any personal details on the internet < 1310840876 567000 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But when you do, nobody believes you! < 1310840897 336961 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then don't release any personal details on the internet. < 1310840919 634805 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They worked it out. < 1310840924 355039 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people ask me so hard that I lie. But, they are making up lies to try to get my information too. (It is on IRC) < 1310840981 874481 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure you're not listening to anything I say except the first comment of 19:27 BST < 1310841037 98832 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean me? Also it is not my timezone < 1310841046 383392 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1310841053 707723 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except it was the last of 19:26 < 1310841055 932056 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread it < 1310841076 99013 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not always connected to IRC < 1310841087 651700 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't say you had left < 1310841118 688006 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know what comment you refer to since that isn't my timezone < 1310841141 122224 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : You know, I'm told over and over again to not release any personal details on the internet < 1310841197 365722 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" What's with this Nom, Gen, Dat, Acc, Abl, Voc?" <<< obviously acc comes before dat < 1310841211 423740 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what Phantom_Hoover said < 1310841212 32489 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i watched this amazing video on yt.. "history of fps-games 1974-?" ..notice the performance of the first 3D shooters is unrecheached (and mabe finds its most darkest hour) for the next 15yrs < 1310841226 68904 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : " What's with this Nom, Gen, Dat, Acc, Abl, Voc?" <<< obviously acc comes before dat < 1310841237 762583 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i watched this amazing video on yt.. "history of fps-games 1974-?" ..notice the performance of the first 3D shooters is unrecheached (and mabe finds its most darkest hour) for the next 15yrs < 1310841240 527869 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aipGP5oAuWQ&feature=related < 1310841242 202725 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sry < 1310841248 755903 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, the One True Ordering is nom, voc, acc, gen, dat, abl. < 1310841294 197406 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" You know, I'm told over and over again to not release any personal details on the internet" <<< eh? have you heard of facebook, no one says that anymore, nowadays everyone says STOP BEING AN ASSHOLE AND PUT YOUR FACE ON FACEBOOK. < 1310841315 167981 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay darkest hours are always the most thrilling < 1310841317 448803 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said I wasn't recieving conflitcting messages < 1310841323 300022 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what oklofok has as his profile picture on Facebook.
< 1310841387 437286 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so after years of wanting to start smoking, i just managed to smoke a cig! < 1310841396 116234 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I start a business I might release some information on internet, such as telephone < 1310841405 185057 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also full name < 1310841454 475390 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Today was the first day I could bear the smell of ciggarette smoke. < 1310841471 996304 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Um, the One True Ordering is nom, voc, acc, gen, dat, abl." <<< well i dunno latin, just that in german it's nom acc dat and gen is last because it's not used that much < 1310841511 822182 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"* Phantom_Hoover wonders what oklofok has as his profile picture on Facebook." <<< i don't have a facebook account < 1310841526 933135 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: how come? < 1310841532 761324 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's coincidence day? < 1310841537 573932 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've always loved the smell < 1310841539 56346 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly < 1310841546 541039 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly because some of my friends smoke < 1310841549 279858 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not very good at doing things < 1310841558 966186 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1310841569 207008 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the sense that i usually don't really do anything. < 1310841604 695217 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it feels that way < 1310841644 230939 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and oh wow do i love the high cigs give you, way better than weed and alcohol < 1310841833 205002 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecO6uWCEgec&NR=1 xD < 1310841859 549086 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the dimensions of the bars in POSTNET? < 1310841867 560618 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumistalka. < 1310841878 857277 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 by 4 < 1310841903 523897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1310841910 542006 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1310841917 927199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'day < 1310841920 74943 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1310841990 592771 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd, is your point that the first 3d shooters are more awesome than the ones which followed? < 1310841998 270349 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :noo! ----### < 1310842002 970374 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is batland < 1310842010 962843 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1310842016 888258 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the first 3d shooter? < 1310842022 573774 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the first one that had 3d physics < 1310842022 591591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is worried about a proliferation of fake swatters
< 1310842028 778816 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for about 10 -12 years < 1310842033 650872 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone have a time machine? < 1310842034 999868 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1310842041 116227 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was moving < 1310842049 314849 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in bout 6fps < 1310842052 762330 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! < 1310842055 180434 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait i can actually get to the future myself < 1310842071 788057 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just sit back and wait :> < 1310842078 610813 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By sitting in a broken oven < 1310842079 467215 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no we just have an archive < 1310842080 127382 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :on it! < 1310842120 887362 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'll just come back and report on the first 3d shooter when they make it. < 1310842122 234525 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH WAIT < 1310842127 37629 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: I have become aware in my thoughts that software developers tend to take credit for improvements caused by hardware < 1310842141 460511 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is.. ih this guys were still livin, hell.. what would they out of the machines of today? ..maybe they'd turn them off < 1310842163 96621 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+put/pull < 1310842173 481747 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :peek < 1310842177 641871 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :&poke < 1310842198 366753 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: are you happy with 6fps? im a little confused where you actually stand on this < 1310842224 485637 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay.. let there be ten, and yes.. look at the first games in 90s < 1310842254 380356 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then back to this awesome atari game, what was it called? < 1310842256 491095 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1310842269 520821 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am amazed atari had a fps < 1310842292 871431 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mean frames per second ;) < 1310842302 186848 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :first person shoote < 1310842316 490927 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :need new keyboard < 1310842341 586881 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one smells like...beer < 1310842370 68420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can you make Lambdabot call itself? < 1310842377 510059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can chain commands somewhat < 1310842416 636378 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm still waiting for you guys io implement this planet processing engine for my elite sequel < 1310842429 116164 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so keep your eyes on it < 1310842430 200903 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)= < 1310842431 927897 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh speaking of oerjan, tswett: why did you never tell me what you've learned? :\ < 1310842457 104977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @run 3 + @read @run '5' : @show 9*2 < 1310842458 607088 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 121 < 1310842489 953514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1310842496 290742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @read @run '5' : @show 9*2 < 1310842497 190560 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 59*2 < 1310842501 418030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1310842512 608854 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: oh, right. < 1310842513 175015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @run 3 + @read @run '5' : @show @run 9*2 < 1310842515 199228 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8 < 1310842517 369576 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've learned... mathematics. < 1310842523 90799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1310842528 367993 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, things from analysis and algebra. < 1310842530 941720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @read @run '5' : @show @run 9*2 < 1310842532 449159 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 18 < 1310842540 121181 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have you learned about algebra? < 1310842544 707922 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an algebra? < 1310842549 681626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that's not what i was going for < 1310842556 480303 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan script is busy < 1310842558 608627 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't learned what an algebra is. < 1310842573 764919 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have learned no definitions for the term "algebra"? < 1310842579 678280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @run 3 + (@read (@run '5' : (@show (@run 9*2)))) < 1310842581 676678 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8 < 1310842587 464424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1310842594 6809 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I learned what an algebra for a monad is. But not in class. < 1310842596 763328 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we wish we could have him that far, but ..ya know always busy < 1310842597 340729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @show @run 9*2 < 1310842598 395918 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : " 18\n" < 1310842619 16853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1310842621 13500 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still don't really know what monads are in math < 1310842638 427954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pesky spaces < 1310842643 903013 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not really smart enough for category theory < 1310842644 604505 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're tribes who move from place to place < 1310842651 329560 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they're just this thing equipped with that thing such that yonder thing commutes. < 1310842670 891539 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see < 1310842673 192637 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I learned that at GVSU, "ring" means "pseudoring". < 1310842683 839886 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :modands is used to impress human resources @ 1st case < 1310842700 785534 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you familiar with the idea of having a set S and a set of operations with type S^n -> S for various n? < 1310842707 883724 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sophisticated stuff < 1310842717 293569 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of the definitions for an algebra < 1310842751 621072 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it can mean all kinds of other stuff as well < 1310842759 503336 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your favorite theorem in algebra? < 1310842764 243094 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like it's almost the definition of an algebraic structure. < 1310842781 266115 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or subtheory that you enjoy but can't quite reduce into one main theorem < 1310842788 169837 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yeah those are called algebras < 1310842827 313647 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I don't really have a favorite theorem in algebra. < 1310842842 125687 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but an algebra is also when you have a vector space but you can multiply vectors afaiu < 1310842846 411580 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite theorem is the various compactness theorem < 1310842855 83470 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no structires out there but the ones we might have tried to engrave in stone! < 1310842855 668127 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about... the matrix theorem. < 1310842858 723600 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the axiom of choice < 1310842867 504502 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any theorem called "the matrix theorem", but I would probably like it. < 1310842887 707807 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the axiom of constructibility. It answers a lot of questions. < 1310842901 246664 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess my favorite algebra stuff is in semigroup theory, idempotents and all that shit < 1310842902 739448 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Any sci-fi movie with Keanu Reaves made post-2000 sucks" < 1310842911 631788 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Matrix Theorem < 1310842918 285585 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially inverse semigroups < 1310842928 24458 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1310842940 291983 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I like free objects. < 1310842960 203950 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the axiom of constructability "that object of yours? yeah it exists all right." < 1310842969 558651 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: I've heard square matrices of a given dimension referred to as 'linear algebras' with reference to their properties as a vector space plus the multiplication operation (or, similarly, linear maps on a given vector space, being themselves vectors in a different space, form a linear algebra with composition) < 1310842979 71396 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: nah, it says that every set is constructible. < 1310843023 538865 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the interesting number theorem < 1310843033 669934 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's interesting < 1310843038 558749 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theorem: every number is interesting < 1310843040 365859 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well i dunno what the consensus is on these terms, i don't think there really is one, but that would certainly make sense, and is what i'm referring to. < 1310843053 217584 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree with the interesting number theorem. I think the smallest uninteresting number is 217. < 1310843074 429864 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the matrix theorem? can't find it < 1310843080 652326 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proof: Consider the set of non-interesting numbers. If it is non-empty, pick the least element under some ordering. < 1310843089 571225 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: That's a centred hexagon number < 1310843102 376232 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: so? I don't know what those are. < 1310843109 257685 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This element is the least non-interesting number under that ordering, which is interesting < 1310843113 902133 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centered_hexagonal_number < 1310843123 154414 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22the+matrix+theorem%22 < 1310843124 264421 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus we have a contradiction, and the set of non-interesting numbers must be empty < 1310843126 34540 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of those. < 1310843160 465617 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well, that's a pretty boring property. < 1310843166 189901 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recreation mathematics: more addictive and worse for your health than cocaine < 1310843176 461005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : what's your favorite theorem in algebra? <-- i like that subdirect product of subdirectly irreducible algebras theorem < 1310843216 268431 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty damn neat alright < 1310843223 369430 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: I am glad you showed these fps videos. Anyway I think that the fps genre is losing creativity. < 1310843232 936338 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the theorem being that gives you all algebras < 1310843235 123615 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, next term is going to be interesting < 1310843235 809606 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :of a certain type < 1310843249 265973 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to have a linear algebra class that I actually attend < 1310843252 145690 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :last term's class sucked < 1310843296 965212 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had to learn linear algebra before taking the course on it because we used a lot of the theory for finite fields in coding theory < 1310843297 213362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: i once used it to prove that kripke models work for intuitionistic logic via heyting algebras < 1310843315 762972 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds cool < 1310843321 659576 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The seven Huzita-Hatori axioms < 1310843323 693494 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you talked about doing some stuff with heyting algebras but i still don't really get what heyting algebras re so < 1310843325 10596 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*are so < 1310843328 994878 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor kripke models < 1310843334 942378 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and i'm still waiting for you guys io implement this planet processing engine for my elite sequel < 1310843343 383432 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh jesus are you trying to make an Elite sequel. < 1310843348 139325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: basically heyting algebras are to intuitionistic logic what boolean algebras are to boolean logic < 1310843357 322817 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why bother? Just make Oolite plugins < 1310843367 100322 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1310843376 556429 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I disagree with the interesting number theorem. I think the smallest uninteresting number is 217. < 1310843385 450792 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't actually see what that means but i'll memorize that factoid for now! :P < 1310843427 857132 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it's 11630. < 1310843454 963823 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the most interesting number is 12 < 1310843466 410388 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i don't think there are any relevant hits on that google page < 1310843513 418115 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Why bother? Just make Oolite plugins < 1310843523 307733 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've clearly never looked into the way OXPs work. < 1310843530 203499 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're infuriatingly limited. < 1310843534 504885 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i only know about heyting algebras from burris and sankappanavar's "a fun little course in universal algebra" and it was just in a list of examples, dunno if there'd've been theory on them later on < 1310843548 646234 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a lot of stuff on boolean algebras, should prolly read that at some point < 1310843558 573860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: basically T is a theorem of intuitionistic logic iff T = 1 is a valid equation for heyting algebras, which is exactly the same as for boolean logic/algebras < 1310843582 46931 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1310843588 759106 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's awesome < 1310843610 642742 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What ways more, a pound of gold or a pound of feathers? < 1310843626 438577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: a pound of feathers < 1310843633 471538 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*weighs < 1310843644 647596 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you explain why? < 1310843648 842072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1310843653 39118 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good < 1310843658 943841 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then what's intuitionistic logic here, (a -> b -> c) -> ((a -> b) -> (a -> c)) and (a -> (b -> a))? < 1310843684 297467 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, it depends. < 1310843685 16965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: well those would be theorems yes < 1310843697 746990 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but are those the axioms < 1310843704 732481 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1310843714 440173 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> (b -> c)) -> ((a -> b) -> (a -> c)) and (a -> (b -> a))? < 1310843735 340367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: in intuitionistic logic you include more than ->, because the operators are much more independent of each other than in boolean logic < 1310843742 688036 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gold is weighed in Troy pounds and feathers in avoirdupois < 1310843754 153613 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1310843759 923631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so and, or, not as well < 1310843772 89665 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :avoirdupois is 12.53% heavier than troy < 1310843773 509936 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why bother? Just make Oolite plugins <-- will do, at least for the less math-dependent parts.. still enought to do.. find nice ways to let my spaceilots having a good time interacting with its vivid world.. how bout a lambda bot in the boardcomuter? :D < 1310843785 307057 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well non-intuitionistic (you said boolean, does that mean classical?) logic has not as well < 1310843797 756693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: of course you can probably find axioms for the -> fragment like with boolean logic < 1310843800 467604 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, not to mention the fact that it depends if you're talking about pound mass or pound weight. < 1310843809 918667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: yeah < 1310843824 46291 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming their in the same gravity, does that make a difference? < 1310843825 876871 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it's metamath < 1310843835 506617 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah metamath uses those two as the intuitionistic axioms < 1310843846 614919 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there's umm (not a -> not b) -> (b -> a) < 1310843864 258010 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, ah, but you don't explicitly state that assumption. < 1310843886 651581 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where else are you gonna find both feathers and gold? < 1310843892 76028 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for classical < 1310843905 418094 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this doesn't fit on gravity < 1310843936 983852 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, gold is pretty common in space, you know. < 1310843945 413644 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But feathers aren't < 1310843959 459550 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hag: I had some ideas about planets in 2d. < 1310843978 450134 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea ok.. < 1310843984 376781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: actually one simplification is possible: also in intuitionistic logic not a = (a -> false) < 1310843990 762732 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8_-78G8D_I&NR=1 < 1310843994 89691 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks nice! < 1310843996 356473 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first idea I had is that if you walk far enough to the left or right in 2d you can come up on the other side < 1310844012 731003 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, ... < 1310844014 358755 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. < 1310844014 715515 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had 2d planets in 85 < 1310844017 61597 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That < 1310844025 889731 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not even remotely a new idea. < 1310844037 283663 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 years later we had videos and spites of them (like in wing commander) < 1310844051 614097 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: you mean you came up with the idea of somehow making R^2 into a torus? < 1310844060 924342 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, he's a genius, I tell you! < 1310844061 699035 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you just mean the torus? < 1310844068 469870 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no matter how long you wre riding ..you didnt get there < 1310844071 641811 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1310844080 370548 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gonna get some eats now < 1310844088 886635 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net NICK :TanebIsEating < 1310844091 816222 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd, suggest you look at Infinity: The Quest for Earth and despair. < 1310844093 623743 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am happy to admit i am full of crap and can laugh at myself about it < 1310844097 194323 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :joining the left and right sides can be done like that, or you can add a point at infinity whose open balls are the complements of closed balls around the origin < 1310844106 63361 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k.. thx hoover < 1310844111 141043 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "like that" i mean the torus < 1310844111 848898 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe, balls. < 1310844139 571908 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: when I was thinking about it what I really wanted to achieve is to do it without a sense of cheating the player < 1310844189 123122 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's forget the player for now and discuss this in the context of topology okay < 1310844225 170339 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :R^2 is already over my head, but I can still carry on < 1310844285 278658 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in that case, a way to do it without cheating the player is the torus < 1310844289 579278 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you familiar with it < 1310844298 892570 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have wiki at my side < 1310844305 341603 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh don't look at it < 1310844315 449833 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :torus = take a finite square and glue the ends together. this is done in many 2d games. < 1310844336 535475 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in comet busters, the comets would come out the other side when they went over the border for instance < 1310844352 799927 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but so this wasn't entirely enough for me. there was more. i wanted to allow the player to "dig through the planet" < 1310844354 695353 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i suppose you want something fancier than that < 1310844359 995545 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310844370 220161 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you specify? < 1310844373 339610 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, 'comet busters'? < 1310844381 576301 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that what you called Asteroids in Finland? < 1310844389 16058 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: a game way older than you, i just assume it's clear what the game is about < 1310844390 776438 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it is < 1310844393 834433 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm i will make a quick paint pic < 1310844394 151044 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s4G1J9Hiwk&feature=related < 1310844400 928900 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i haven't played asteroids, so i dunno if they had a torus < 1310844409 838652 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this looks almost nice (planet renedering < 1310844409 963187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how many 2d games do klein bottle gluing instead
< 1310844425 589377 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :comet busters came with my windows 3.11 < 1310844467 352394 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd, seriously, just look at the tech demos for Infinity. < 1310844469 513480 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION remembbers some game on his computer called... Tempest, I think
< 1310844482 585632 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k will do next : < 1310844484 680520 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1310844488 393422 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, sometimes I think you do nothing *but* remembering games on your computer. < 1310844531 239626 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I play games that will someday eventually just be games I remember playing on my computer. < 1310844534 106031 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See: Minecraft < 1310844546 55855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now combine that with CP symmetry and you can have some interesting matter/antimatter effects... < 1310844564 478423 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, :D < 1310844571 199721 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so say moving left = moving down the klein tube, and up = around it. then the gluing is, you take a square and if you go up you appear in the same column on the bottom, but going left, you appear on the right, mirrored over the middle < 1310844575 564625 :TanebIsEating!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb < 1310844577 987244 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1310844583 619451 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We guessed. < 1310844585 880776 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CP? < 1310844591 790250 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, charge-parity. < 1310844597 251406 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit < 1310844601 133024 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oi51.tinypic.com/nl4u1v.jpg < 1310844612 375043 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, the laws of physics stay the same if you turn matter into antimatter and swap the parity. < 1310844612 830566 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just typed "Password" instead of my password < 1310844619 38578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: means the symmetry where mirroring turns matter into antimatter < 1310844636 914452 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool < 1310844644 214214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not exactly preserved, but _most_ reaction obey it < 1310844645 479840 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this pic you can sort of see the idea of "digging" through but the first problem arises. it looks very odd if the player does not turn his head around as he falls < 1310844652 662260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reactions < 1310844696 320176 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i had this idea that the center of the planet could be another torus , to borrow your word < 1310844699 409166 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1310844726 513403 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, maybe that wasn't the idea < 1310844728 348292 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310844742 567032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the CPT symmetry where you reverse time as well is still not known to be violated, and the math of quantum mechanics + relativity is supposedly such that it would be very strange if it was) < 1310844754 322806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know the proof myself < 1310844754 340888 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway.. i thought.. when you reach the center of the planet while falling through, you should reach a dark screen where your path follows a U shape < 1310844773 905232 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you start falling upwards without actually turning upside down < 1310844843 761987 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, suggest you read http://everything2.com/title/Using+Asteroids+to+explain+the+topological+classification+of+2-manifolds < 1310844862 99190 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1310844894 877983 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1310844898 264057 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310845052 429475 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :(still reading the article, even while I type this) my more general theorum is that in practice the earth looks flat. It never actually looks like a sphere to anyone standing on it. So it should never have to look round in a video game. < 1310845083 847177 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like a good enough article < 1310845101 179022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: what about on mountains near the ocean? < 1310845107 674802 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, what if someon finds a way to lift off into seep space in the game? < 1310845123 965035 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*deep < 1310845134 147495 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya ur rite < 1310845141 376373 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but.. < 1310845144 476500 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: you want a surface like that of earth's, but infinitely deep? < 1310845150 405542 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe its possible to do both < 1310845189 62665 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well first I imagined a giant circle. and I thought, how big does the circle have to be so that it looks flat < 1310845214 670357 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, it wouldn't be an absolute size, but a size relative to the observer < 1310845227 637542 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have a 3-dimensional ball and remove its middle, then have coordinates shrink as you go down to make it appear infinitely deep < 1310845231 915518 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1310845233 783115 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (still reading the article, even while I type this) my more general theorum is that in practice the earth looks flat. It never actually looks like a sphere to anyone standing on it. So it should never have to look round in a video game. < 1310845237 95210 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :remove its center point i mean < 1310845237 918436 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toruses can be flat. < 1310845261 461289 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool thing about such a world: the earth would be the center of the universe < 1310845267 687893 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't they then called annuli < 1310845271 76680 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :annui < 1310845275 954039 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1310845289 103616 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1310845292 455879 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :annulus < 1310845293 449255 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1310845294 47987 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DS < 1310845314 67401 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Aren't they then called annuli < 1310845325 272057 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, well i decided that as you reach the center you reach a black background and your sprite follows a U path and when it goes up again it is falling upwards to some other point. so i guess that is infinite depth. < 1310845339 784971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no, that's a ring shape and is not topologically a torus at all < 1310845352 167211 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: i think it's better to prevent reaching the middle altogether < 1310845365 155138 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just have the distance to the center be infinite < 1310845367 485010 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, it's a different kind of 'flat'. < 1310845373 606080 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh < 1310845385 160438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a flat torus would not be possible to embed in usual space, but it would _locally_ look like an ordinary flat surface < 1310845403 150339 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, two annuli ontop of eachother? < 1310845411 831110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1310845413 122787 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I really understand this, do I? < 1310845416 109424 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, well, the Asteroids screen is a good example. < 1310845422 947435 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's topologically a torus, but it's flat. < 1310845424 935733 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you mean like a net < 1310845426 729591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's a shape which cannot exist in the real universe < 1310845440 243725 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am full of crap. I am a whole magnitude below mathematically. ^_^ < 1310845451 770859 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think up things from left field. < 1310845459 995387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whose existence poses no actual mathematical contradiction < 1310845462 962636 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you take the closures of two annuli, and glue together the inner and outer circles, don't you get the torus? < 1310845486 35067 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, remind me what closure is set-theoretically. < 1310845498 768238 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: take all points you can find arbitrarily good approximations for < 1310845515 754917 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, if U is a subset of a topological space, its closure is the set of such points < 1310845523 624404 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for the annulus, you'll just add the circles around it < 1310845539 728540 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I was trying to squiash all this into a tile based side scroller (as an idea) which cannot rotate. < 1310845541 604010 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(according to wp it's the set of points more than r, but less than R away from 0) < 1310845572 59590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: imagine a square where the sides are glued to each other, but not by actually bending the square, instead by making the sides be teleportation portals... < 1310845577 118050 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so you'd add points exactly r or R away from 0, and nothing else, as is easy to check if you know how distance is measured in R^2 (pythagorean theorem being the definition)) < 1310845577 690345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a flat torus. < 1310845616 994792 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1310845620 249124 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand that < 1310845646 928832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1310845654 612984 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a flat sphere would be trickier < 1310845670 675607 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: did that make sense? < 1310845675 871495 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : if you take the closures of two annuli, and glue together the inner and outer circles, don't you get the torus? < 1310845689 77527 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you'd get a torus if you just glued the inner and outer circles. < 1310845702 548945 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what are the inner and outer circles of the annulus? < 1310845719 376474 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh al lot for me to read on later, but not to miss actual topcic: the more you get to the sphere the finer is the net.. then comes the transformations.. first of all ther is an irregular noise trasforming the vertexes into rocky landscapes < 1310845721 406326 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An annulus is the region between two cocentric circles < 1310845726 656397 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for any point on the annulus, you'll find a point even further away from 0 < 1310845731 831860 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, how can you ask me definitional questions when you used the same terms? < 1310845752 549117 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, um, surely it's closed? < 1310845753 464549 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there must be a few more layers of transformations. but! : < 1310845761 298910 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well "outer and inner circle" makes sense after taking the closure < 1310845769 189305 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :inner circle = points at distance r < 1310845773 462743 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :outer = points at distance R < 1310845774 708501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes, that is impossible. it's to do with the plane not being a cover of the sphere - you cannot wrap a plane around a sphere without some exceptional points < 1310845784 992346 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: well "outer and inner circle" makes sense after taking the closure < 1310845793 443035 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :after n transformation the landsape in a specific place always looked the same.. we thank you braben & bell < 1310845793 973388 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... why do you need the closure in the first place? < 1310845794 384568 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : :> < 1310845807 453816 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: because otherwise i don't know what those terms mean < 1310845816 426075 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it the open circle with radius R less the closed circle with radius r? < 1310845818 321880 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i guess theres room for compromise < 1310845820 562075 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the points at distance r and R do not belong to the annulus < 1310845831 976459 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, oh, right. < 1310845851 196971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, looking at WP, you're right. < 1310845863 72928 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :closure was just a technical term because i wanted to be mathematically precise because that gives me a hard-on. < 1310845870 650306 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So wait, why did you need two annuli? < 1310845875 141289 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what do you do.. make the character change size? :D :D < 1310845884 914947 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well because otherwise it's not topologically equivalent to the torus :) < 1310845888 366746 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1310845899 233884 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you could just glue together the inner and outer circles, yeah < 1310845901 346558 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1310845908 727037 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But? < 1310845908 774890 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it's creased < 1310845909 507964 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can let it compute pi < 1310845910 431057 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was responding to < 1310845911 495934 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1310845913 618772 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps as he falls deeper he scales up < 1310845921 263057 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it shouldn't be creased < 1310845927 174162 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" So, two annuli ontop of eachother?" " NO" < 1310845939 846398 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was saying "or perhaps yes?" < 1310845939 998132 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, ah. < 1310845951 881816 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a map projection, when a man goes to iceland < 1310845956 434710 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :his body probably grows larger < 1310845976 424911 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, what < 1310845988 260409 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea any points run togeter in x the focus < 1310845992 396907 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. greenland/iceland is gigantic on most map projections < 1310846005 554085 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to think Antarctica was HUGE < 1310846009 211358 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" perhaps as he falls deeper he scales up" well more like gets smaller < 1310846011 728104 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, it... is. < 1310846014 381264 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I know, it is, but not as much as I thought it was < 1310846026 178868 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that might depend on your point of view maybe < 1310846031 649262 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom, it has occured to me that the missing link could be that the character could actually change size to make it all work < 1310846044 413015 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks to listening to this conversation < 1310846044 663492 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course! < 1310846052 560949 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It all makes sense now! < 1310846057 383540 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ease up guys < 1310846058 33792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: but gluing two annuli would give exceptional points at the crease, which doesn't count to me as really flat < 1310846080 904176 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plenty space left to log this all :) < 1310846089 577076 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, a quadrilateral with opposite sides of equal length is the way to go? < 1310846097 500757 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay i thought you were just talking topology < 1310846100 897777 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok hagb4rd: like suppose uh.. Zelda.. was played on a typical map projection. < 1310846116 458516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it gives me an even weirder idea: do like i said previously and glue the outer an inner edge of an annulus with teleportation portals, but _which expand or shrink you as appropriately_ < 1310846119 633245 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :now when he is standing on iceland his body will be stretched :D < 1310846122 492713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and inner < 1310846124 828626 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is Canada Post barcode strange? < 1310846138 875175 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, huh? < 1310846175 302334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the inner circle is smaller than the outer, so if they are to be glued identically you have to change scale while crossing them... < 1310846177 714149 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: i was thinking maybe you could have a metric such that on every level of depth inside earth, you have a surface with the same circumference as earth, but you have infinitely many concentric balls "on top" of each other < 1310846183 438263 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well duh. < 1310846228 610878 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, i really did actually commit some of this to paper months ago.. but i am clueless on topology < 1310846228 628754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is of course going to get ugly if anything manages to cross it outwards enough times... < 1310846241 691585 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea but it's alle processed in realtime dude.. not just stated or persistant < 1310846244 20301 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now it comes to life < 1310846257 377262 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh, so you only scale when crossing the border. < 1310846274 542065 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy to imagine this for a 2d world, just take a cylinder that's infinitely tall, digging makes you go down, walking forward makes you go around it < 1310846286 669439 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in other words it's identical to Asteroids if things scale linearly when they move down. < 1310846310 711429 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this still the Elite sequel? < 1310846322 117764 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: well the deeper paradox of falling through earth is that your up vector has to change at some point < 1310846324 376555 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, god only knows. < 1310846336 345134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh i see itidus20 was already bringing up similar ideas. btw this reminds me of a valerian comic... < 1310846344 985496 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: unless you just fall infinitely? < 1310846355 541730 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I decided let him fall in U shape < 1310846364 792156 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure there's some groundbreaking pseudogeometry mathematician who would kill to see this log < 1310846366 176974 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you talking about affine transformation to reduce z axis,? < 1310846412 665517 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd, dunno, I just mean that distance scales linearly when you move up or down, but is preserved when you move over the edge. < 1310846430 728416 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affine_transformation < 1310846436 361439 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if i didnt say let him fall in a U shape then either the map flips upside down or the character flips upside down and it would look awkward < 1310846455 975361 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :something would have to flip < 1310846469 4133 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also realize that you couldn't actually fall through.. gravity would pin you in the center < 1310846496 53158 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you have momentum < 1310846502 82012 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g., from gravity < 1310846503 437058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Across_the_Pathways_of_Space#Funny_Specimens_.28Droles_de_Specimens.29 < 1310846517 935573 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I'm pretty sure there's some groundbreaking pseudogeometry mathematician who would kill to see this log" <<< pseudogeometry would be a great name for topology < 1310846517 983683 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea of falling through is really just to ensure that the planet is real < 1310846557 286155 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone who quotes that evil man behind general semantics who says the map is not the territory is to be slain >:) < 1310846588 40895 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i also realize that you couldn't actually fall through.. gravity would pin you in the center < 1310846590 276870 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, no. < 1310846592 745363 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont you remember how hard it was to brake soon eough to make a landing? autopilot noobs :p < 1310846598 334513 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn you some shell theorem. < 1310846606 740343 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you had some sort of thrusters (as you are in a spaceship, I'd assume you would), you'd end up falling down then gliding up the other side < 1310846619 578534 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a distanse that approaches zero < 1310846620 904266 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherways you had to go 1 more turn around the sun < 1310846627 726406 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is asymptote the word? < 1310846667 615535 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom, so uhh.. i don't think any player has any actual reason to dig in a planet. but i think that the idea forces the game to cope with that possibility < 1310846676 693022 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do something asymptotically, then for any definition of almost doing it, you will eventually be almost doing it. < 1310846692 14836 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, the gravity at a planet's core is 0. < 1310846706 256428 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1310846718 56538 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It averages out to that < 1310846728 650029 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it decrease as you approach the center? < 1310846732 983107 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not 0 < 1310846739 569094 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1310846740 786343 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, no, it's exactly 0. < 1310846745 845097 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, yes. < 1310846759 942905 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your impulse is zero < 1310846770 892324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: basically for a perfectly spherical body, the gravity at a point inside is given by only the part of the body that is further inside from you < 1310846772 151547 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the gravity < 1310846776 77507 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if you just check one side, it'd be 7 or whatever. But because you're being pulled equally in all directions, it's effectively zero < 1310846784 271494 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd, there is no gravitational force acting on you at the centre of a planet. < 1310846788 17125 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Full stop. < 1310846800 362763 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, that's why, yes. < 1310846809 537333 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a related idea. i had this idea of a game of life sort of thing which makes connected clusters of dots have a mass and hence a gravity and to affect each other < 1310846811 337038 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless there were significant variance in density throughout the planet < 1310846812 355854 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gravity is acting on me even if'd be shit out of the universe d < 1310846821 784116 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its physics < 1310846836 602170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: we are talking total sum of forces here < 1310846837 449771 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not your proffession < 1310846839 141055 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes it really hard to compute < 1310846841 129118 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1310846845 366943 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sum is 0 < 1310846846 799045 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" on a related idea. i had this idea of a game of life sort of thing which makes connected clusters of dots have a mass and hence a gravity and to affect each other" <<< can i steal this idea and try to do something cool with it next week? < 1310846847 767553 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct! < 1310846860 520395 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean math stuff < 1310846861 329052 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as the N-body problem < 1310846870 293080 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, the centre of mass always has 0 gravity. < 1310846870 529910 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, in this encapsuled sim < 1310846888 185595 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of my ideas are free to do whatever you like with as long as i get to use them myself < 1310846894 771169 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1310846905 990471 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the geometrical centre not necessarily, Phantom_Hoover < 1310846918 114746 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would make the centre of mass elsewhere < 1310846920 622153 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, indeed, but a planet will always have them almost exactly the same. < 1310846923 156672 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, i don't want to get cut off from my own ideas < 1310846924 422205 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the idea of gravity for a ca < 1310846941 38334 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, don't you remember when elliott tried that? < 1310846944 538985 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless the player starts moving dirt from one side of the planet to the other < 1310846957 157339 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i doubt he tried it in the way i'm thinking < 1310846965 67217 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a tetris piece would have a mass of 4 < 1310846969 272212 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking an actual ca that enforces a gravity < 1310846985 903523 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that two of 1 < 1310846987 473738 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1310846989 447916 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, elliott was trying to get relativity to work. < 1310846993 516132 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no, he didn't. < 1310847000 477281 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that two clusters of 1's would attract < 1310847006 452084 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if 2 tetris pieces bumped together, they would become one object with a mass of 8 < 1310847011 241947 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, you could have gravitational field cells. < 1310847020 61405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: the shell theorem only works if the planet consists of perfectly spherical shells, naturally < 1310847022 440570 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i was thinking some kind of gravitons < 1310847038 407507 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if think now you are ready to turn off autopilot and totally get lost behind beteigeuze c < 1310847055 442169 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1's need to be preserved in number, and 0's should be a quiescent state, other states can do whatever they like < 1310847057 258499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*perfectly uniform spherical < 1310847059 944602 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*0 < 1310847061 19902 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me, diagonal connections in CA's (i love the acronyms you guy use so casually) is good enough to share mass < 1310847076 76068 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taneb: the shell theorem only works if the planet consists of perfectly spherical shells, naturally < 1310847089 70647 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure about that... < 1310847114 275130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well those are the ones that integrate to give 0 gravity inside < 1310847129 772 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: as i love telling people, i get payed to play with ca all day so acronymizing it gets pretty casual < 1310847131 535817 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can reduce complexity to make it fit on a single floppy!!! < 1310847137 791166 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unbelievble < 1310847141 726264 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrhr < 1310847163 604510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i don't know whether those are the _only_ surfaces giving 0 gravity everywhere inside though < 1310847164 504823 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: ok heres another idea i had (i was on a roll that day) < 1310847175 149757 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, Gauss' law for gravity comes to mind. < 1310847192 366474 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :a chess game CA where the piece type is determined by the pieces around it < 1310847212 259452 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Icehouse Chess? < 1310847226 929179 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike other things this one won't let me stop and wonder < 1310847228 747432 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, that's different < 1310847240 406026 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it would be just a CA... but the pieces would exist as uhh < 1310847241 923804 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A CA's a cellular automoton, right? < 1310847243 16955 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: huh? < 1310847247 538884 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yeah < 1310847253 912132 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pieces would be implied by the rules of the CA I guess.. < 1310847281 482047 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so say you had a cell on its own.. that could be a pawn < 1310847287 54553 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a continuous shift-commuting self-map of S^Z where S is a finite set and Z are the integers. Z can also be Z^n for some n, for instance for gravity 2 is a natural choice < 1310847287 351715 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an example < 1310847313 236942 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: chess pieces are not really mathematically interesting < 1310847319 212624 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually drew up some ideas of possible rules for which pieces are which < 1310847324 365927 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do they move? < 1310847356 595876 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lonely queen on the plane wouldn't know what to do! < 1310847365 864393 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.. well.. ok.. so you start with a regular game of life < 1310847369 581531 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how far can a queen move? < 1310847372 542433 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and.. in between turns < 1310847376 411026 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns? < 1310847385 152527 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :generations? < 1310847388 227795 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oaky < 1310847389 166058 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok.. the problem you have IS a real problem.. and youreflect it that nice. no'ones sure its gonna ex- or implode < 1310847391 394463 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1310847396 880029 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what happens next! < 1310847415 543884 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: can you clarify a bit? < 1310847416 608540 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok lets say its not quite game of life.. lets say you have 2 teams .. so trinary state < 1310847421 990235 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1310847428 342003 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :because its chess < 1310847441 377616 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or uhh < 1310847444 558390 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhhmmm < 1310847450 93579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes wikipedia's shell theorem article proves it from gauss' law. but the spherical symmetry is still essential to get 0 at every point rather than just as the total integral < 1310847454 959014 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never really thought about it that way < 1310847461 641600 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hmm, yes. < 1310847479 747671 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :two teams? a CA that has two players is still just a CA, since they are deterministic. are we talking tilings maybe? that is, nondeterministic CA < 1310847499 489783 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. you would have a dead cell, a black cell, and a white cell < 1310847529 14286 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oaky < 1310847543 944923 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :istnt it an approximation at least good enough to to wonder what keeps bananas growing with this specific irregular way < 1310847551 783508 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to < 1310847559 929099 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i certainly like the idea of alternation for tilings < 1310847560 564933 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so at the end of a generation the player can select 1 cell.. whose type is determined by the cells around it < 1310847575 495410 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and move it < 1310847592 988367 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the sense of an alternating turing machine) < 1310847601 223073 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in all likelihood it is now a new kind of piece having moved < 1310847624 146177 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lets say you can capture an enemy cell by moving onto it < 1310847640 63769 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, well that's a particular game that's kind of weird < 1310847643 283716 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno what to ask about it < 1310847644 92318 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ku5G4ovnUU < 1310847649 608400 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i try < 1310847651 908938 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1310847659 101392 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and again, how does a queen move? < 1310847662 559472 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you go arbitrarily far < 1310847692 909485 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was discussing that very question in here last night about how far can a chesspiece move < 1310847694 40123 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a pseudogeometrical torus? < 1310847696 287601 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can, then the set of valid games might not be closed < 1310847706 127243 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever that means ;) < 1310847723 381518 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in this context finite would do better < 1310847726 847921 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :valid drawings of playings i mean < 1310847730 557681 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok finite ca < 1310847741 35033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Queen That Went Too Far < 1310847763 437837 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1310847766 702735 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the actual pieces are represented as rules of neighborhoods < 1310847797 916811 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the fun of the design is determining which neighborhoods map to which pieces < 1310847829 592012 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came up with a set but I never did anything with this idea < 1310847849 858459 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Changing the subject somewhat, is it possible to construct a physical machine that did functional programming at its lowest level? < 1310847919 318430 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See: the Reduceron. < 1310847988 470513 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea could also be extended into fairy chess. < 1310848062 716873 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even result in resignation. < 1310848064 202425 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! < 1310848081 692899 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong convo? < 1310848093 111242 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry taneb < 1310848099 518430 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong attitude < 1310848103 246131 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will join your convo < 1310848167 763704 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some sort of von Neumman architecture? < 1310848183 486055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: "And the next command is the one after that." "that" being _both_ the interpolated commands? < 1310848191 873698 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1310848203 675456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then i think i understand < 1310848304 499858 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, http://www.cs.york.ac.uk/fp/reduceron/ < 1310848549 191607 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about: you have a finite set of states S, partitioned into E and U, the existential and the universal states. now for a point x \in S^Z, you can define its E-successors by changing all the cells of x in an E state to their possible successors, and its U-successors similarly; there's a local rule that tells you what changes are legal. now, to every sequence s in {"E", "U"}^N partitions S^Z we get a subset of points from which the game goes on foreve < 1310848559 787046 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll paste the latter half just in case < 1310848560 606321 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a local rule that tells you what changes are legal. now, to every sequence s in {"E", "U"}^N partitions S^Z we get a subset of points from which the game goes on forever, say for EUEUEUEU... this means from x, for some choice of new cell values by E, for any choice of any cell by U, for some choice of... < 1310848586 891474 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :one way to have alternation but i'm not sure that's the most natural thing to do. < 1310848612 618545 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1310848637 310546 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*now, to every sequence s in {"E", "U"}^N we can associate the set of points of S^Z from which the game goes on forever, < 1310848641 714747 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sry < 1310848690 813276 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :working on CAs it must be tough to resist the topic i came up with. < 1310848762 266290 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion of the way the List of ideas has now been formatted on esolang wiki? < 1310848763 599072 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're gettin wam oklofok < 1310848791 556841 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wanm < 1310848792 643761 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wam < 1310848804 148111 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this tends at least to an idea i had of it.. < 1310848818 39486 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, on looking at reduceron page, I feel my ineptitude. what's the best language to learn functional programming concepts? < 1310848830 270674 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BYOB < 1310848834 6531 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: ? < 1310848863 726000 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :without beeing able to implement it an alg0 < 1310848870 595241 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://byob.berkely.edu < 1310848890 94534 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1310848913 603804 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have tried reading up on lambda calc once but i never quite got it < 1310848924 508518 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That site's got a tutorial < 1310848929 873493 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For BYOB < 1310848932 202054 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ http://byob.berkeley.edu/ < 1310848934 935718 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's how I leant it < 1310848939 937955 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*learnt it < 1310848945 208656 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of some Icehouse+Tarot games? I have read about one such game called Gnostica. However, I have neither Icehouse nor Tarot. < 1310848950 483743 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice it's visual programming < 1310848961 392369 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's based on Scratch < 1310848979 990041 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't fuck the room again by my ideas about visual programming. < 1310848982 106394 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, that... doesn't look functional. < 1310848987 816081 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill just quiet down < 1310848997 120463 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has functional bits in it < 1310849003 868487 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean it's not functional by any stretch of the imagination. < 1310849010 996365 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functional bits don't make it functional. < 1310849015 381711 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original idea of course was that s = EEE... would give you SFT's, in some sense. but that's not really happening atm... < 1310849027 72278 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functional bits means you can learn functional programming with it < 1310849046 618917 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme or Haskell is basically the best way to go. < 1310849050 26347 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you think my ideas about torus worlds, gravity CAs, chess CAs make a mess. then visual programming is just as bad < 1310849088 245399 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll save it for another day < 1310849327 572151 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may have already supplied me with next week's research topic (by putting games and CA close to each other), this is actually something i've been wanting to do for ages but i had to work on my master's thesis last time so it never got anywhere < 1310849345 352033 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay < 1310849354 835921 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I smash them together like a particle collider < 1310849380 815199 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gravity + ca is certainly interesting but you could ofc only publish it as a joke < 1310849392 152166 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :=)) < 1310849409 344864 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the answer to my particular question of whether you can implement gravity behavior with a ca < 1310849424 457579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cycle "Haskell " < 1310849425 377822 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Haskell Haskell Haskell Haskell Haskell Haskell Haskell Haskell Haskell Ha... < 1310849429 574494 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically I see things as existing in academic space and entertainment space. < 1310849456 370517 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actually a somewhat similar (much simpler) question was recently solved in a famous 150 or so page paper in the 1d case, i just realized < 1310849474 739795 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take inspiration from people like lewis carroll < 1310849505 552518 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take inspiration from JRR Tolkein < 1310849512 410927 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1310849514 261433 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the academic space is a subset of the entertainment space < 1310849524 833787 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say it's the other way round < 1310849529 635475 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :this may be off topic, but, i had one chess idea about a castle and a forest < 1310849531 432262 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, nah. < 1310849538 402975 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say the spaces overlap but neither is a subset of the other < 1310849542 340530 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is you can enter the forest and emerge from it whereever you like < 1310849549 367035 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus effectively hiding in it < 1310849552 226414 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i can't imagine any chess related idea being mathematically interesting really) < 1310849587 995404 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was something about guards on the castle. i dunno exactly how it went < 1310849590 478504 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A lot of people would say mathematically interesting is a tautology) < 1310849608 197826 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, nah. < 1310849615 875209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: well there is the question of complexity class < 1310849616 703266 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say us < 1310849619 60388 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's plenty of boring mathematics. < 1310849622 409880 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, well to me, chess is a CA in disguise. < 1310849652 8801 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just needs to be teased out from its disguise < 1310849660 997905 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a mime < 1310849669 828737 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you try to make one talk < 1310849670 449625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine the mimes < 1310849680 649380 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: does this sound familiar: take two topological spaces U and T and a point x in T. stick U in place of x. < 1310849680 904056 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oklofok, well to me, chess is a CA in disguise. < 1310849688 546550 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, it's non-deterministic? < 1310849699 92842 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :assume additional stuff for U and T if useful < 1310849700 280697 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1310849712 748401 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoover, well it could be deterministic :D < 1310849714 863558 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a phase sppace < 1310849716 417778 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a cool thing < 1310849719 622702 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :deterministic chess < 1310849730 626476 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's deterministic in the fifth dimension < 1310849731 842494 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, no, it would literally be the most boring thing in the world. < 1310849733 82013 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or sixth < 1310849741 108905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: i'm not sure if it has a name but it's a pretty obvious thing to do... < 1310849745 851239 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i was thinking open sets are generated by those of U, and those of T with x replaced by the whole U < 1310849754 2414 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sure < 1310849757 434919 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace the players with a rule for evolving the chessboard closer to an end. < 1310849763 593783 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen it done? < 1310849771 464416 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, isn't that a fibre— no, wait, it's just a single point. < 1310849784 898159 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oklofok, well to me, chess is a CA in disguise." <<< i don't see it that way at all < 1310849794 463108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: you'd probably want U to be closed as a subspace, since {x} is (assuming hausdorff spaces) < 1310849800 295301 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an idea once, chess with two time dinensions. < 1310849805 971790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or T1) < 1310849815 297164 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once tried to do battleships as a CA < 1310849826 746098 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't get very far < 1310849835 894636 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1310849839 522147 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well it would be obviously < 1310849840 1444 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, protip: games are universally nondeterministic. < 1310849846 847830 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with my topology < 1310849855 526181 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence why I didn't get very far < 1310849878 37255 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because T - {x} is still open < 1310849891 76781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgery_theory which is somewhat different but feels related < 1310849893 529514 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :U would be a clopen set tho so hmm. < 1310849897 426405 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres a mix of ideas that come into play. a binary CA is easily computable and could be said to be properly reduced. or more optimized etc, however -- the factor of human comprehension is always important < 1310849944 430529 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humans comprehend chess pieces easily. so are they not better for humans to manipulate than binary tiles < 1310849964 293922 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is a tradeoff involved with no perfect answer. < 1310849975 164374 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i should certainly read some literature on this stuff < 1310849980 562941 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, they're fundamentally different abstractions. < 1310849981 752587 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :on it, but progress is slow < 1310849986 774068 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net NICK :myndzi < 1310849988 554998 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/abstractions/structures/ < 1310849991 531954 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i constantly come up with new problems to solve :\ < 1310850037 550393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, meanwhile I still have over a year until university. < 1310850037 725697 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well chess has more cell states {pawn, king, queen, knight, bishop, rook} x {white, black} < 1310850041 63440 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's horrible. < 1310850051 314951 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't forget unoccupied < 1310850054 724168 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: And empty spaces. < 1310850056 482331 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i forgot that < 1310850064 113623 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1310850076 155771 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :( {pawn, king, queen, knight, bishop, rook} x {white, black} ) + {blank} < 1310850088 941631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: mind you this is not a field i know much more than the name of either < 1310850096 983960 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :13? < 1310850109 560401 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where does location fit into that model? < 1310850117 207034 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oklofok, meanwhile I still have over a year until university." <<< math? < 1310850124 633744 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, of course. < 1310850128 772807 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)) < 1310850131 116373 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Location is inherent, Sgeo < 1310850132 73828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: that cell attachment thing mentioned in that article sounds promising but there was no link < 1310850133 730315 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yayyy < 1310850139 549832 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some issues with that model though.. thats true < 1310850148 107240 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is wise to note that theres things missing < 1310850149 350478 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean that these cells are all in the correct location < 1310850153 95666 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also have additional states if you want to keep track of en passan and castling as cell states as well. < 1310850162 697433 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo, yup... < 1310850174 112186 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, look, CAs are not well viewed as entities moving around a space. < 1310850185 73946 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :King-castled and king-notcastled < 1310850185 776639 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :langton's ant is one exception < 1310850195 501488 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rook-castled and Rook-notcastled < 1310850197 83623 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess actually the "correct" topology is having T's open sets with x replaced by open sets of U < 1310850206 515344 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many exceptions, but they are in the minority. < 1310850213 19029 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and human intervention is even worse :P < 1310850235 620877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: interestingly googling "cell attachment topology" is not enough to restrict the hits to mathematics :P < 1310850242 871860 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is that trying to start viewing CAs that way will just confuse you later on. < 1310850247 337304 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in the movie dark city.. when a generation has finished secret activiies of the night adjust the city < 1310850250 866101 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oklofok: interestingly googling "cell attachment topology" is not enough to restrict the hits to mathematics :P < 1310850264 150356 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topologies of biological cells attached to each other? < 1310850267 444862 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming hausdorff space you will then get the topology of T by taking the open sets of this thing but "rounding elements of U up to x" < 1310850269 82260 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the rooks need to keep track of castling restrictions, not the king. If the king moves, both rooks change to the one unabled to be castling. < 1310850281 403914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yeah something like that < 1310850303 350703 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I force myself to be iconoclastic and autodidactic in this. < 1310850304 935246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, and yes, as Sgeo points out, chess has a certain amount of hidden state as well. < 1310850318 565118 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i forgot those hidden states, but they can be unhidden :D < 1310850321 977095 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chess doesn't have hidden information. < 1310850322 908590 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, why both rooks, instead of a random rook? < 1310850328 548425 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are sort of hidden < 1310850332 425529 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, yes, but then you're shoehorning. < 1310850334 203484 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were indeed left out of my model < 1310850335 271622 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, they're not. < 1310850340 975157 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are completely hidden. < 1310850343 109599 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a bit of a kludge, i know < 1310850353 898425 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its messy, very messy < 1310850354 467085 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at the board, it's impossible to tell if the king has castled. < 1310850362 59743 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but... you see.. < 1310850368 89697 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and kludges are exactly what you were trying to avoid. < 1310850370 239935 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could add a red king < 1310850370 940303 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you had been paying any attention to the game < 1310850372 560445 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Both rooks just seems like a better way to do it, it simplifys some things < 1310850373 799551 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1310850384 779442 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :pre-castled king could be red and yellow < 1310850395 446425 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said yourself you were trying to make a natural chess CA; that is impossible. < 1310850399 474844 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats very creative of you < 1310850402 469593 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, why are you trying to assign colors to this? < 1310850409 305418 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Unless you had been paying any attention to the game < 1310850416 362731 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that's the point. < 1310850423 251582 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Game of Life isn't described in terms of black and white, just "living" and "dead" < 1310850424 304450 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the kings don't need castling state, only the rooks do. < 1310850434 118507 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hidden state means that you can't work out the future moves of the game based purely on its present state. < 1310850434 764491 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying it isn't hidden information < 1310850441 59771 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: because I am trying to not take sides < 1310850451 541619 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...take sides? < 1310850457 61811 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1310850467 417446 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Sometimes black/white, sometimes different colors, by standard called "living" and "dead", although I prefer "on" and "off". < 1310850469 71290 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a game of chess, both players know whether a king has moved, and whether a pawn has just moved twice < 1310850470 157812 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'm defining 'hidden state' to be state not ascertainable by looking at the position of pieces on the board at a given time. < 1310850470 514935 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have proven that you could represent the hidden information if you wanted to < 1310850497 106688 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the positions of pieces on the board at a given time is all you have in the CA. < 1310850506 187951 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah thats cos my CA sucked < 1310850517 978821 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, yes, and I have already said that it rules out an elegant representation, which is what you were trying to make. < 1310850519 412325 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i could multiply the states by a few more booleans. i know its ugly < 1310850523 308298 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also described a few ways in which you can put these information part of the board state, by adding new kind of pieces for this information < 1310850525 431719 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(( < 1310850526 862988 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1310850535 54359 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is true. its inelegant < 1310850541 351501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well with a CA there is no trouble adding some extra piece types to encode the necessary hidden state < 1310850542 69162 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still what you do not tell, is which player plays next. < 1310850549 932921 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, itidus20, yes, and I have already said that it rules out an elegant representation, which is what you were trying to make. < 1310850573 411673 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never ever ever thought of this before though.. colored pieces < 1310850577 282307 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, define "elegant" < 1310850579 78088 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I'm redacting my comment about learning functional programming with BYOB < 1310850589 681146 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now there is 2 kind of rooks, castling allowed rooks, and castling disallowed rooks. < 1310850591 973961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: chess _already_ has pieces which change < 1310850606 283073 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok I admit that I use no true scotsman logic. I believe it has some value. < 1310850621 216314 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 2 kind of pawns, the kind which has just been moved two spaces, and the normal kind. < 1310850623 308296 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, one in which the cells are completely analogous to the pieces on the board. < 1310850627 561766 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :More or less. < 1310850641 102789 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes "no hidden state" a tautology, of course. < 1310850643 602943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: yeah everyone knows Phantom_Hoover is no true scotsman < 1310850648 621860 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean me < 1310850649 679907 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a CA whose neighborhood also extends backwards in time to the initial state < 1310850651 989464 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I drink tea all the time! < 1310850652 169376 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1310850654 996875 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm im confused < 1310850662 836166 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My accent is inexplicably English! < 1310850673 337504 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Make a CA whose neighborhood also extends backwards in time to the initial state < 1310850673 514950 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that too insane? < 1310850674 52042 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is nothing wrong with revising an argument as long as the intention is good < 1310850683 447973 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preeeety sure that doesn't count as a CA. < 1310850689 885002 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For one thing, there's no initial state. < 1310850690 424589 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1310850696 145128 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, the joke is that I am Scottish. < 1310850702 627414 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1310850722 401141 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: CA have initial states? < 1310850739 90605 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to have to be surprised by this claim! < 1310850743 72581 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of my best chat friends have been Scots < 1310850744 927460 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1310850752 204031 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, exactly. < 1310850753 601463 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean no initial configuration or what? < 1310850766 534591 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you meant < 1310850775 314421 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CA have no... no bleh w/e < 1310850783 137072 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, I mean something along the lines that each generation has no idea when the initial state was. < 1310850790 263508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: in the beginning there was the garden of eden < 1310850795 724250 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The transition rules are time-invariant, in other words. < 1310850796 950821 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: the buddha said that you can't do it and you will go mad trying. < 1310850811 720658 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're all mad here < 1310850842 162013 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what was that Alice in Wonderland quote again? < 1310850852 950005 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can the transition rules mention a specific state? Hmm, that doesn't work, initial chess state is NOT a garden of eden < 1310850861 153321 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus back in india 2500 years ago or whatever they were discussing that you will go mad trying to trace back to original causes < 1310850864 918118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pours some hatmaking chemicals into Taneb's tea
< 1310850877 569810 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: god said, let there not be two asymptotically equal states of the world with the same image, and thus there was a garden of eden. < 1310850883 984169 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't stand tea! < 1310850888 948498 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo, the problem is that chess isn't deterministic. if it was then you could < 1310850900 385130 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the whole point of CA is they are continuous, meaning they only depend on a finite amount of cells near them < 1310850908 821339 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION absorbs the aroma of tea
< 1310850912 365027 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so so much for that < 1310850913 876867 :cheater__!~ubuntu@g229129093.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a CA? < 1310850917 587812 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION dies of inhaling hatmaking chemicals
< 1310850921 715931 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1310850925 212520 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry oerjan < 1310850927 411098 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a State in South west US < 1310850928 656966 :cheater__!~ubuntu@g229129093.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :aitp,atpm? < 1310850931 273824 :cheater__!~ubuntu@g229129093.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :automaton? < 1310850934 229286 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: I mean, you can't see which piece was the last one to move by looking at a chessboard. < 1310850936 889969 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what god said was < 1310850946 804534 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let there be two such states. < 1310850966 549048 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I can't stand tea! < 1310850969 551561 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A CA is a cellular Automaton, cheater_ < 1310850969 759192 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIE YOU BASTARD < 1310850976 346060 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the aroma < 1310850989 294540 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, suppose that a rook moved left, then right, then left... you couldn't determine how far left and right it moved < 1310850991 23714 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the aftertaste... < 1310851000 550827 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the afterfnarf < 1310851014 706027 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__: i just gave the definition a few hours ago < 1310851044 782790 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right cellular automaton, i can't believe people don't know the abbrev... < 1310851073 84873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here." < 1310851121 872070 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a set theory thing? :D < 1310851129 210731 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: ? < 1310851135 110340 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what < 1310851140 863536 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that the teaparty consists of a set of mad people < 1310851142 502494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : sorry oerjan <-- wat? < 1310851149 685692 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my god thing < 1310851151 152829 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :corrected < 1310851162 966014 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a four dimensional vectors thing < 1310851169 483017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: where do you think bertrand russell got his teapot from anyway < 1310851186 467640 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, why are you suddenly talking about 4D vectors? < 1310851204 980650 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something to do with the Mad Hatter's Tea Party < 1310851206 659533 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so those people that gets healed by faith healers, why don't they get really mad and make a big deal out of it not working? < 1310851207 104266 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure < 1310851211 979126 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not well read enough < 1310851214 332006 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it actually work < 1310851238 265257 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: people are complex. < 1310851270 753104 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, well, except the real ones. < 1310851274 167279 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is first of all, certain implications about a person for visiting the faith healer in the first place < 1310851287 215603 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as there is implications about a person visiting a brothel < 1310851287 786939 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still trying to figure out how to get that sign I have that says Taneb into town centre < 1310851297 963107 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, carry it? < 1310851303 888272 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty big < 1310851311 37717 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How big? < 1310851318 339078 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Around A0? < 1310851323 533123 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" just as there is implications about a person visiting a brothel" <<< like living in a country that has those? < 1310851326 839510 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll get wet < 1310851332 160897 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :australia < 1310851347 64754 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you expect from convicts < 1310851349 67611 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1310851351 761367 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are there others? < 1310851359 619512 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be < 1310851378 387090 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like.. such a person is unlikely to say put some bloody clothes on < 1310851398 120322 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got relatives in Australia < 1310851399 277139 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and.. also.. if the sex is bad.. is it his fault or her fault < 1310851413 916892 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not following you < 1310851422 569796 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect that theres not much room for refunds at a brothel < 1310851446 479569 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get naked with a woman and you're not getting a refund < 1310851491 898856 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not < 1310851508 142125 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the chances of someone wanting to try a faith healer and then getting angry about what happens is much decreased than if its a skeptic doing research < 1310851509 360522 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are you going to return the goods, oklofok? < 1310851542 26635 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you return the goods if you go up the eiffel tower and the view was not good? < 1310851551 709058 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't. < 1310851555 810706 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humans, also, are reasonable overall. sometimes they let things go. < 1310851556 444359 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't. < 1310851559 41823 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not saying he's not correct, i'm asking what the fuck he's talking about < 1310851569 987247 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whores. < 1310851570 435937 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1310851571 84471 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that < 1310851580 780947 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :company policies tend to be based around the likelihood of customers to not kick up a fuss < 1310851583 311469 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what "the fuck" indeed < 1310851598 311290 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :" so those people that gets healed by faith healers, why don't they get really mad and make a big deal out of it not working?" < 1310851603 864869 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do you mean people might be ashamed of even thinking it might work? < 1310851626 932677 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its actually in human nature to let things be more often than not < 1310851642 582901 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because people who have faith in the faith healers will ignore the naysayers, and people who don't just laugh at the naysayers for being slow < 1310851648 328092 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't recall hearing about even one case of a tv faith healing not working < 1310851648 710881 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a few more rambunctious individuals standing up for the greater whole < 1310851665 447246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is boring, can we go back to talking about maths? < 1310851676 624730 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1310851678 413644 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love ph < 1310851714 810871 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and reallly noone knows what is possible < 1310851724 244389 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1310851725 843538 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :overestimation of knowledgebase is a common occurance < 1310851727 104711 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1310851731 773980 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :by noone you mean everyone right? < 1310851748 333089 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as a programmer can't answer every arbitrary question about a computer < 1310851763 932817 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :a faith healer can't necessarily explain why something might or might not work < 1310851791 583568 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is collective human intelligence turing-complete? < 1310851797 54095 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a person with a working respitory system probably doesn't know exactly how it works either < 1310851806 975616 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or extelligence, even < 1310851810 36503 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :we more or less have no clue what our bodies are doing < 1310851830 708320 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was addressed in a Terry Pratchett book < 1310851836 770308 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reaper Man, I think < 1310851836 897105 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: so did you know that in a compact hausdorff space the closed sets are exactly the compact ones < 1310851858 396094 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do now! < 1310851862 192115 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hausdorff = for every x != y you find disjoint neighborhoods for x and y < 1310851868 189347 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is collective human intelligence turing-complete? < 1310851868 887872 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1310851876 832129 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll prove this now < 1310851882 2817 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmhmm i wonder how it goes < 1310851891 253343 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you include those people with perfect memory < 1310851904 960785 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, for one thing, there's no such thing as infinite storage. < 1310851960 116666 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so first, let C be closed, and let S be an open cover for it (open sets whose union covers C). by adding X - C where X is the whole space, we get an open cover for X, and since X is compact, you then find a finite subcover for X, which gives you a finite subcover for C as well. so closed => compact. < 1310851969 323512 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for the other direction, let's see... < 1310851979 324417 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thnk rather than physical and mental, there is the experiential (conciousness and qualia and all that) and the inexplicableness which makes it possible < 1310852016 618946 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but to divide them is wrong. theres a lot of evil that goes on when toying with such ideas < 1310852032 736816 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :not dividing them might also be wrong < 1310852082 687644 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess that the natural way of things is to simply admit we don't understand < 1310852106 716998 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperthymesia < 1310852125 231261 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let C be compact, and let x \notin C. for every point y in C we find open U_y and V_y such that U_y contains x, V_y contains y and U_y and V_y are disjoint (this is just hausdorffness). now V_y's actually form an open cover of C, so there's a finite subcover (compactness of C) of the V_y. let's say the indices are Y. but now, the intersection of U_y where y \in Y is open (because it's finite!) so in fact we have separated x from C < 1310852130 428748 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :x is arbitrary => C is closed < 1310852178 802152 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is kind of trivial i suppose but it's very useful to remember since almost all important spaces are hausdorff, and many are compact. < 1310852227 424257 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :any view which explains everything is necessarily a false view < 1310852238 604043 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for instance all metric spaces are hausdorff and all bounded metric spaces are compact) < 1310852321 423574 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: DID YOU FIND THAT TOO TRIVIAL? < 1310852337 723164 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1310852382 593795 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know what a path is? < 1310852400 76422 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyway a continuous function from [0, 1] to your favorite topological space < 1310852449 906149 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like f : [0, 1] -> X such that f(x) = y implies if y is in an open set U then for small enough perturbations of x, the image won't go outside U < 1310852456 682802 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(definition of continuity) < 1310852470 777706 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what is a continuous subset of X? < 1310852472 737831 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1310852473 757034 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1310852479 237253 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*now what is a connected subset of X? < 1310852494 221748 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you come up with a definition using the idea of a path < 1310852571 30787 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i have a bad habit of giving people homework) < 1310852588 764436 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One time I went to buy some ice cream ... I walked over to the vendor and asked her what kind of ice cream she had. 'Fruit ice cream,' she said. But she answered in such a tone that a whole pile of coals, of black cinders, came bursting out of her mouth, and I couldn't bring myself to buy any ice cream after she had answered in that way ..." < 1310852616 430167 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eidetic_memory < 1310852623 805691 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But linked the wrong thing < 1310852630 563639 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :your link was cool < 1310852668 939370 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so I had this idea just the other day < 1310852699 697029 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chess variants as XML? < 1310852704 359691 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :This may sound odd. Normally, we assign a word to only single dimensional numbers. < 1310852716 287700 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "seven" < 1310852717 520382 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but suppose we were to assign words to numbers with more than one dimension. < 1310852725 173954 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb: yes, like seven < 1310852732 3496 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "2+6i" < 1310852734 535844 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :seven = [7] < 1310852738 612687 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.. not quite < 1310852743 934910 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : can you come up with a definition using the idea of a path < 1310852786 645427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1310852795 984030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1310852796 377314 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1310852801 323437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1310852809 79094 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A subset such that \forall x, y \in X, \exists f : f(0) = x, f(1) = y? < 1310852823 192296 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose I said, lalala = [7][3] < 1310852824 150795 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where f is a path, precisely < 1310852826 913868 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1310852829 970886 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is called path-connectedness < 1310852830 654599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Are you serious do you live in Hexham. < 1310852832 252482 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose I said, lalala = [7,3] < 1310852842 609403 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops i am misinterpreting the comma < 1310852846 881358 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, vectors? < 1310852853 339591 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should go with my first comment < 1310852858 747229 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it would've been SLIGHTLY less trivial if i had specified we're asking when Y a subset of X is connected < 1310852860 648728 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway now < 1310852867 546520 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb, the trick is that every number is already a vector < 1310852871 87224 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :seven = [7] < 1310852886 310332 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y is path-connected if, with the subspace topology, what you said is true for it < 1310852886 848868 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :seven = [7][0] < 1310852891 821979 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, we're giving names to n-length vectors < 1310852899 764450 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its an idea i had. yeah < 1310852913 458343 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that amounts to Y being path-connected if and only if for all x, y in Y, there's a path f that goes completely inside Y. < 1310852916 587731 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1310852919 990095 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we can change the English language like that < 1310852927 687150 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason i'm saying this is path-connectedness is that there's also another thing called connectedness < 1310852935 960472 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is slightly harder to guess < 1310852972 933935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: SILENT TREATMENT I SEE < 1310852981 764268 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we say X is connected if it cannot be partitioned into open sets except in the trivial way of just having the whole X in one component < 1310852987 479200 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1310852992 312513 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, but it is sort of interesting eh? < 1310852997 496931 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1310852998 221365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's itidus20 btw < 1310853003 950654 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, is there a connection between path-connectedness and connectedness? < 1310853008 332319 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no ieda < 1310853008 889519 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just stumbled in here. < 1310853016 510710 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea, either < 1310853039 301127 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im probably the dumbest in here. < 1310853049 30200 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I'm here < 1310853072 928230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumber than asie? < 1310853083 41107 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1310853091 562652 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dumber than oklofok? < 1310853098 3526 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly < 1310853101 356417 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah no way that's gonna happen < 1310853105 665307 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Silet treatment about what? < 1310853113 840366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: <elliott> Taneb: Are you serious do you live in Hexham. < 1310853114 908785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1310853116 133875 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know just now i was like, hey i have some pizza let's eat < 1310853116 500647 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1310853117 619771 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1310853119 725840 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know algebra. < 1310853121 301369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Me too. < 1310853124 10020 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i look in the fridge and it's empty < 1310853124 230389 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard < 1310853130 36527 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm like what the fuck happened to my pizza < 1310853133 265444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I find this vaguely inconceivable. < 1310853134 284466 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i saw i had eaten it < 1310853138 887039 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It happens < 1310853139 834766 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i was :( < 1310853161 539547 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I don't know algebra." <<< the true definition of smartness < 1310853161 622185 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you have seen the log when I found out haven't you it is hilarious. < 1310853164 759996 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1310853167 251594 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how well you know algebra < 1310853209 972108 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to find out how many users there are on the wiki? < 1310853215 152275 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey! Taneb maybe you could also invite elliott to the proof party! < 1310853222 992702 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah! < 1310853227 213559 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proof party! < 1310853228 301100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Special:Listusers or something < 1310853235 457369 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can say i don't understand any of the quotes in here which get mathematical < 1310853273 571973 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: most of the math stuff i say is just for my own amusement < 1310853275 883739 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are 678 users on the wiki < 1310853285 14734 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even mean anything < 1310853298 400590 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham has a population that I'm gonna call 10000 for easier maths < 1310853305 222639 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The world has 6 billion people in < 1310853313 341062 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :12000 would've been easier silly < 1310853313 702662 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I don't even need to tell you why that count is crazily skewed. < 1310853341 815807 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No you don't < 1310853354 761818 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OK, it's only inflated by 50 or so. < 1310853394 261697 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot: they mentioned you before. when i was talking about the idea of making a CA in which connected live cells have a collective mass and hence gravity. < 1310853420 49231 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6WKz-z0GYA&NR=1 < 1310853424 199973 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By these numbers, there is a 1 in 600000 chance of a random person living in Hexham < 1310853442 388460 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, with 700 users on the esolang wiki < 1310853477 648036 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means there is over a 1 in 1000 chance of one living in Hexham < 1310853484 133307 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any better way to stalk elliott < 1310853487 755969 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two is over 1 million < 1310853489 492589 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, you of course realise that the probability of a random esolanger being from Hexham is much more than 1/600000. < 1310853489 685564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one in one thousand is pretty bad odds < 1310853490 720490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ? < 1310853504 505829 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably < 1310853504 766277 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :picking random people is pretty lousy < 1310853513 794878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what are you talking about < 1310853523 295150 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently something unrelated < 1310853532 989080 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As most of those 600000 people don't even know English, let alone move in the social circles that lead to us. < 1310853539 897365 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1310853558 757720 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the speakation number of english? < 1310853577 615402 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1310853585 725768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: OK fine, the chance of a random person who is both an esolanger and who reads MSPA living in Hexham is pretty low :-P < 1310853587 861064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: 9 < 1310853589 763933 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :500 million to 1.8 billion < 1310853593 344731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ARE YOU HAPPY NOW < 1310853599 354156 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1310853605 548627 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MORE SO NOW I KNOW I AM NOT ALONE < 1310853618 41078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: NOPE, sorry, I'm moving into a cave. < 1310853620 707808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MUST BE ALONE. < 1310853625 810281 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine. < 1310853629 146984 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who else is in Hexlam?/ < 1310853629 286820 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be that way < 1310853633 533313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Nobody. < 1310853635 266527 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See how I care < 1310853638 966918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me and Taneb are the only two people in Hexham. < 1310853649 695396 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1310853656 774510 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i kind of live in hexham too < 1310853662 72379 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you uncovered some fax alias or something < 1310853678 496535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wat? < 1310853681 665749 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, do you play Minecraft? < 1310853686 778417 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes... < 1310853689 496729 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1310853710 939331 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Elliott < 1310853712 134389 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think we can chalk that down to coincidence; also go to #esoteric-minecraft now. < 1310853716 10211 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, as in, Hexham was where fax lives or something, so it would seem likely that Taneb is fax < 1310853727 970685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (for instance all metric spaces are hausdorff and all bounded metric spaces are compact) <-- BZZZT WRONG. *complete, totally bounded < 1310853729 749635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes Taneb is totally fax. < 1310853737 23698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: WHY ARE YOU LITERALLY ME < 1310853747 150549 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M NOT YOU < 1310853755 645884 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, erm, fax lived in Hexham? < 1310853757 849959 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M AN ESTIMATED 2-3 YEARS YOUNGER < 1310853760 369768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Not that I know. < 1310853765 95263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: How old? < 1310853767 997440 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, 1½, actually. < 1310853768 881958 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: see, what i said earlier didn't make sense without oerjan's addition < 1310853774 121771 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 < 1310853775 376350 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no, but I thought maybe that was the case, and that was the "weird coincidence" < 1310853783 503843 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might not have been a coincidence < 1310853794 245881 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, come on, you've seen fax's socks. < 1310853800 744144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm not seventeen and a half. < 1310853808 55741 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklo: i am a magnitude more clueless about math. < 1310853813 109758 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :socks? < 1310853822 96345 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, oh, so you didn't live n the UK for 1½ years. < 1310853835 893844 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, assuming you mean IP, then I don't pay attention to those < 1310853836 332683 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's totally bounded? by bounded i meant the space is a ball. but obviously you will then need to add completeness yeah because R^2 would be a counterexample otherwise < 1310853838 101698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I'm almost sixteen :-P < 1310853845 945416 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by using a different metric) < 1310853850 665551 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1310853874 175743 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've been outside the UK for why the hell do I have a US keyboard layout 1 1/2 years < 1310853905 334618 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, because you have a Mac? < 1310853910 509964 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1310853914 405974 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's this client < 1310853924 743520 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a pretty crappy client. < 1310853946 45843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, you use Windows; I am justifiably superior. < 1310853953 540656 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Linux < 1310853959 38390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Taneb- VERSION leafChat 2.3 Windows XP 5.1 http://www.leafdigital.com/software/leafchat/ < 1310853963 524738 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not at the moment < 1310853968 797179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit. < 1310853969 545049 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do normally < 1310853971 997052 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, maybe he's running it in Wine. < 1310853977 623223 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because he is mad. < 1310853992 727008 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, shut up I'm making up crazy theories here and you're spoiling them. < 1310854003 357630 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm already crazy enough < 1310854006 230959 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is the proof hard btw? < 1310854025 660928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: OK so you are required to stop being literally me. < 1310854025 975844 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got famous last year for wearing a dressing gown and joining a political organization < 1310854046 142550 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Taneb probably takes real science subjects. < 1310854046 413389 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't directly see it, sequential compactness shouldn't be very hard and then i guess you can show compactness eq to that in metric spaces < 1310854050 444207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: What. < 1310854071 811860 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually serious < 1310854079 119187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: EXPLAIN YOURSEF < 1310854080 840885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :..L < 1310854082 407735 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does famous mean < 1310854085 67510 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, wait, I wear a dressing gown. < 1310854092 169874 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been described as a North-East legend < 1310854098 303085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... < 1310854104 396568 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm not famous for being crazy well OK I am but not for wearing a dressing gown. < 1310854121 52860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You are required to explain < 1310854133 285546 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Summer '09. < 1310854144 523584 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good explanation < 1310854172 188565 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darthsandroids.net was running a competition < 1310854186 489058 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I entered with a picture of me in a dressing gown holding a model lightsabre < 1310854187 866938 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, oh, not the student protests YES I GOOGLESTALKED < 1310854201 365239 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Set this as my Facebook profile picture < 1310854208 36644 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, PH, that came later < 1310854216 709259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://darthsandroids.net/ is a free iPod site. You'd think it'd be a free Android phone site. < 1310854223 143337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, y'know, Darths and Droids.) < 1310854225 799402 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cut to February < 1310854232 377297 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :War were declared < 1310854238 300147 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A galaxy in turmoil < 1310854250 868609 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, Febuary '10 < 1310854256 193429 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, and you turned up in a dressing gown and lightsabre? < 1310854261 574109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Cut to February War were declared A galaxy in turmoil Anyway, Febuary '10 < 1310854262 872992 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :506) Cut to February War were declared A galaxy in turmoil Anyway, Febuary '10 < 1310854285 665240 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a poster saying "Be a Youth Representative for Northumberland" < 1310854288 62336 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Signed up < 1310854290 932222 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We have people in Scotland protesting tuition fee rises for them.) < 1310854295 756666 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Won the election by a landslide < 1310854301 259441 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's hilarious.) < 1310854306 883030 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was November '10, PH < 1310854311 454698 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I did that < 1310854314 406781 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quiet, you. < 1310854319 946739 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got in the Financial Times and everything < 1310854333 939579 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Point is, Loads of people across Northumberland heard of me. < 1310854338 976968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't, ha ha ha. < 1310854344 425004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE NOT FAMOUS IF I DON'T KNOW YOUR NAME < 1310854349 319350 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was aided by my awesome name and facial hair (RIP) < 1310854349 454422 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i famous < 1310854353 605585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1310854361 112994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: sorry Phantom_Hoover's name is cooler. < 1310854365 710585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly because I can't spell it. < 1310854375 649553 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine makes me sound like a supervillain < 1310854379 126594 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if i'm famous yet < 1310854401 208157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adhamhnáin_McCuil: Put him in his place < 1310854405 36012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF THAT'S YOUR /REAL/ NAME < 1310854410 560175 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good name < 1310854417 388301 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which place is his? < 1310854431 903611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The place of slightly inferior names to you. < 1310854453 800495 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now I have 1789 friends on Facebook < 1310854459 908857 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whore < 1310854469 977057 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 6. < 1310854471 751019 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a real facebook < 1310854474 457593 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jealous???? < 1310854477 316377 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have two < 1310854486 644242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have undefined < 1310854494 359466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :english has bad type checking :( < 1310854511 110764 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott++ < 1310854511 848778 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have carrots. < 1310854514 121632 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zero, Elliott, when I heard you lived in Hexham I checked you out < 1310854523 636034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im stalked < 1310854529 390168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i deleted my facebook ages ago anyway < 1310854537 659108 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :still only page three for picture languages :-< < 1310854551 925270 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody called Robbie Soulsby described you as " Hes nee fukn wanker" < 1310854576 883283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea who that is and I suspect they're not talking about me :-P < 1310854594 908700 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take it was a complement < 1310854653 980379 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean < 1310854690 99309 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is not someone who both has sex and masturbates < 1310854736 92084 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Somebody called Robbie Soulsby described you as " Hes nee fukn wanker" < 1310854739 513495 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combination of bad spelling, profanity, and Geordie < 1310854744 286102 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literate friends. < 1310854830 353573 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1310854851 582068 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are currently stalking elliott by asking random friends if they've heard of him y/n < 1310854858 17666 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1310854865 903161 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asking random /people/ < 1310854866 893336 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong answer. < 1310854876 508241 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this awesome [Y/n]? < 1310854880 726643 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1310854891 717090 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PH: I wouldn't count them as friends < 1310854901 242860 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ND: It's stalking. < 1310854906 393276 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stalking is bad < 1310854907 191921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK stop stalking me. < 1310854911 571881 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1310854927 61111 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1310854939 140041 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1310855147 10328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: i don't remember the proof, i just looked up at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totally_bounded_space < 1310855170 403197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, my jokes seem to be coming true. i need to be careful in the future. < 1310855185 94014 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1310855201 349720 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that makes way more sense than the space being a ball since the space being a ball doesn't really give you anything. < 1310855208 875118 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :topologically < 1310855211 650844 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, quick, joke that I'll discover that I'm heir to a vast inheritance tomorrow. < 1310855274 851548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. a vast herd of sheep in the highlands. and a castle, which sadly is in a bit of a need of repairs. < 1310855281 586792 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't we all wish our families would die < 1310855350 562364 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, I already know that I'm heir to my parents' stuff, so that doesn't count as discovering. < 1310855362 762089 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1310855377 638714 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hmm, how vast are we talking. < 1310855380 309017 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea how much money my parents have < 1310855410 898433 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i have no idea which [10^n, 10^{n+1}] it's in < 1310855434 654418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: enough to eat lamb every day for the rest of your life < 1310855440 631087 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: ask them? < 1310855449 652995 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hmm, that's a lot of sheep. < 1310855455 670254 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could sell them for a fair amount. < 1310855457 333256 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would guess much less than 100 million moneys < 1310855466 240432 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i doubt they'd tell me < 1310855478 9137 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know if my mom has a religion < 1310855586 932101 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a hunch she votes for parties that are into that environment protection stuff, but i have no idea about my dad, really i don't even know whether he votes < 1310855618 473163 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, consider that you may be an orphan. < 1310855625 652675 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? :D < 1310855665 607583 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what sense < 1310855696 552523 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, well, for instance, have you ever actually seen your dad. < 1310855705 237007 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1310855707 204726 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question < 1310855713 636358 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i have, yes < 1310855720 6300 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a couple of times < 1310855765 822727 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, your parents may well have died when you were 2 and all you can remember is that your mother voted for environmental parties. < 1310855776 909721 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly because she took baby you into the polling booth. < 1310855781 492095 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i did live with them for 19 years or so < 1310855799 444366 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, hmm, that's harder to fit to the hypothesis. < 1310855828 784039 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they spent the last year mostly at our summer house because i liked having the house to myself and they liked gardening and shit < 1310855846 777654 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the non-summer house < 1310855875 791908 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, wait a minute why do you like topology it's not even discrete explain?????????????? < 1310855886 227274 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was an awesome year, my last year of high school, all i did was sit in my armchair naked and eat pizza < 1310855904 560609 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i dunno! that is kind of weird! < 1310855925 542740 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but S^Z has a topology as well < 1310855937 382252 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's pretty discrete in spirit < 1310855967 151216 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we also measure subsets of S^Z every day < 1310855986 976613 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pretty routine thing < 1310857323 304863 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310857353 720668 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1310857393 586603 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1310857468 261022 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310857609 550070 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1310857960 233424 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION attempts to find citation for the story about Prince Charles' bodyguard at Cambridge.
< 1310858004 315557 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310858120 627952 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hag[4]rd < 1310858145 214333 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1310858204 100745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:21:21: it does not disappear when i scroll < 1310858204 118516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, that's new < 1310858223 399809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1310858332 689722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:09:29: Man, I just got confused when Wikipedia didn't have an article on the Churing-Turch Thesis < 1310858333 48715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does? < 1310858378 741685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:20:38: Taneb: no, my language < 1310858378 919678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:20:43: http://pastebin.com/MDEebq26 < 1310858384 359595 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, note last letters. < 1310858385 451185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :expired and on a bad pastebin. hth. < 1310858389 705818 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*first letters < 1310858393 591167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: :D < 1310859250 497870 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pastebin.com is bad? < 1310859264 773080 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, sometimes I posted pastes in here deliberately set to expire < 1310859267 942298 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the #jesus stuff < 1310859276 19598 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Sgeo < 1310859328 784378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : pastebin.com is bad? < 1310859329 316463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1310859331 731215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also, sometimes I posted pastes in here deliberately set to expire < 1310859332 983858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate you. < 1310859844 188865 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't feel comfortable posting pastes of a non-publically logged channel into a publically logged channel < 1310859901 590893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't feel comfortable knowing that expiring pastes exist. < 1310859945 821306 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vjn pastes will expire in a year :( although they will just move to another domain < 1310859969 400132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: which domain, if.njv? < 1310860009 782920 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will tell you when it's relevant < 1310860086 433912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: SHEESH I WAS TRYING TO MAKE A QUARTER-JOKE < 1310860151 920254 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you invent any card game using the Fanucci deck? < 1310860343 895878 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1310860373 307737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: make a whole joke next time hth < 1310860386 614602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why? _you_ never do < 1310860392 780750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OHHHH BURN < 1310860415 927779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's for the extra fridge logic punch... < 1310860552 282901 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/01596_2.gif