< 1312502425 735498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bull penis _and_ a beating heart. < 1312502485 862985 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, are you going to threaten to kill me with the bull penis? < 1312502486 65207 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: though the fact that this is apparently a bull penis, and a variety of interests. you have a passion for really terrible movies. he would just go on and on about it. < 1312502501 509592 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, it's a variety of interests too? < 1312502501 711714 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: is it there she is. < 1312502544 306923 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1312503482 885728 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, are you still in youtube mode? < 1312503483 137680 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: the stuff scattered about your room. you of course it was a nasty pair of beagle puss glasses, several () a blank card, producing a different hole in the roof < 1312503487 967163 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube < 1312503488 169236 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments) < 1312503489 885466 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, are you still in youtube mode? < 1312503490 169558 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: got footage of the a-320 that had been certified by the computer overrode the automatic throttle system but it keeps skippin for me, you managed to contradict yourself there big time, this movie will be epic < 1312503491 804023 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1312503495 243318 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee, IT WAS YOU < 1312503516 525809 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuck < 1312503516 766879 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673) < 1312503523 658 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, NEVER LEAVE THIS MODE < 1312503523 202681 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: this is it, like an apple or a cunning prankster than a common sort of < 1312503532 167442 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1312503532 369797 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher homestuck* ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1312503537 531387 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1312503537 733709 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1312503539 229188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuck < 1312503539 431627 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673) < 1312503542 171267 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1312503542 373069 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1312503544 172400 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:c < 1312503544 712230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuck < 1312503544 914615 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673) < 1312503557 286454 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1312503557 488817 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher homestuck ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1312503559 762943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuck < 1312503559 964152 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673) < 1312503565 157874 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats homestuck < 1312503570 982400 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi < 1312503571 184506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hams on steaks < 1312503571 386858 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: i see def-bf as being used to do that < 1312503574 766528 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, go to mspaintadventures.com < 1312503576 675398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1312503576 877558 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher homestuck ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1312503577 289489 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1312503578 523568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: He knows. < 1312503579 780410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuck < 1312503579 982860 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673) < 1312503586 173191 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, -_- < 1312503586 880966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, stop talking, I need to war with Lymee. < 1312503590 36546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuck < 1312503590 239061 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673) < 1312503590 604634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuck < 1312503590 806893 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673) < 1312503591 9060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuck < 1312503591 211242 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673) < 1312503591 413429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuck < 1312503591 413657 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673) < 1312503591 615194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuck < 1312503591 817342 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673) < 1312503593 683388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: there. < 1312503593 885512 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you in the medium. < 1312503599 344851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1312503599 547331 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher homestuck* ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1312503603 37424 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee, CONTINUE AND I SHALL MURDER YOUR DWARF SOMEHOW < 1312503606 185767 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-; < 1312503610 375833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1312503610 578865 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher homestuck* ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1312503626 244387 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1312503626 446858 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher homestuck* ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1312503667 21576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1312503667 223644 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7* fisher homestuck ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1312503670 647504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuck < 1312503670 849852 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673) < 1312503690 541349 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube < 1312503690 743534 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments) < 1312503698 595132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuc < 1312503698 797197 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1312503699 677244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuck < 1312503699 879498 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673) < 1312503700 988074 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube < 1312503701 190498 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments) < 1312503703 741731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuck < 1312503703 943703 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673) < 1312503704 743149 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube < 1312503704 945355 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments) < 1312503707 208673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You should totally just remove ^style. < 1312503708 274817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuck < 1312503708 486719 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673) < 1312503710 533736 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube < 1312503710 736099 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments) < 1312503712 941436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuck < 1312503713 143888 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673) < 1312503715 595460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: asie. < 1312503723 367311 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1312503724 622143 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is dumb and makes me sad < 1312503733 627739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: its my sworn duty to fight all asies < 1312503737 698443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :swron,,, < 1312503744 557420 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Hi. Are you Homestuck? :D < 1312503744 759667 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: listen guys it was a test < 1312503752 531774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuck < 1312503752 733848 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673) < 1312503754 246426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hams < 1312503754 447997 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: as it turned out, fooling around and transportalize as far as the details of the game mythology by now. try to be careful, ok? this book is full of more meow." she mistook this for more nonsense, but it is of course. < 1312503793 66876 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do not homestuck style ever again. OK? < 1312503794 474315 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee:/ more enduring social instincts conquer other less persistent instincts--the social virtues alone regarded by savages--the self-regarding virtues acquired at a later period over/ lighter and upper lavas :)/ uspallata range; origin subsequent to that :)/ perfect flowers 4.27 inches in height; or as 100 to 75. < 1312503852 809248 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1312503853 11213 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher homestuck* ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1312503863 921872 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style jargon < 1312503864 123810 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: jargon (UNIX-HATERS mailing list archive) < 1312503864 876452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi < 1312503865 78945 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: cisco systems pays dec for stolen software developers, system v release 4 and osf/ 3 globbing, which bloomed into a daze where they kept the cadr carcasses they now have a link to a < 1312503872 579631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: sup < 1312503872 781708 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: like a very clear mirror < 1312503878 660721 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ninja success < 1312503890 184426 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style c64 < 1312503890 386347 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: c64 (C64 programming material) < 1312503895 640755 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hihi < 1312503895 926230 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: that is a winner's attitude, and there is no particularly good human translation for this concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear conc < 1312503900 825144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: sup < 1312503901 28729 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: about his hat dirty. either way, spoils are yours toward a common goal, and because you can't understand < 1312503902 657808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: you try < 1312503905 722404 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ct < 1312503905 924806 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script) < 1312503914 938742 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^stylewp < 1312503916 359126 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style wp < 1312503916 561544 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: wp (1/256th of all Wikipedia "Talk:" namespace pages) < 1312503920 867352 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ss < 1312503921 107158 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ss (Shakespeare's writings) < 1312503925 128287 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi < 1312503925 330680 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: as a veteran of the game. it's what happens when you start running, she'll have to pry the cigarette holder to support. < 1312503929 196321 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi < 1312503929 398307 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: your blood is, he's a total badass, and that his awesomeness was also sort of a thing i do. she is the best character, you know. forever! < 1312503941 26533 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi < 1312503941 228677 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: enter name. < 1312503942 878445 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi < 1312503943 164603 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: that happens, right. maybe it would be best not to be near it when this happens every little gag and expected to arrive today that i was about to get blown up! this does not seem to exist in a state of almost perpetual stalemate, and expands to a larger board and more exotic collection of what he refers to as a thermal hull, instead of some kind of clock pun. no. cold. really cold shit flushed from derse. dave's package < 1312503948 400012 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:c < 1312503953 290909 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jerk. < 1312503956 796348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like hamsteak to me < 1312503958 867454 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does not sound like shakespeare that osunds like hommestucke < 1312503973 966617 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi < 1312504010 844842 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1312504011 46813 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher homestuck* ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1312504041 259500 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi < 1312504047 200660 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi < 1312504050 965328 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1312504060 741755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi < 1312504060 944060 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the point is its important! everyone )(as just been so busy abjuring, you don't actually give a shit. if it were up to him we would try to be these mysterious characters but you suspect. what a royal mess of his lovely new horseleather bib. it is a good idea. < 1312504062 692936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt like us now < 1312504074 655572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ignores you after a while < 1312504151 589970 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi < 1312504152 437191 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: keep. i will walke my selfe to thy direction, toward london then, for we haue put thee in comfort, not by two that i know our greatest friends attend vs < 1312504468 469661 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, if elliott messed with your brain, I swear... < 1312504468 711531 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: in that reality. she flew in his window, seized the game with a dead heir and witch < 1312504471 637509 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1312504479 553521 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION knife glint < 1312504912 766795 :atome!~quassel@78.250.211.70 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1312506064 281732 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ss < 1312506064 483754 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ss (Shakespeare's writings) < 1312506069 521737 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: kill elliott please < 1312506070 668424 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: hub. vpon my sword, and turne her out, and therefore more valiant, being as good a man as york! vernon. hark ye: not so much as conjure fort, and make a darke night too of halfe the day: which better then the male. it is < 1312507180 854112 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312507944 412904 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179113237.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1312508777 612715 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312508855 59293 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/User:UToneyNicholsonm this userpage makes me happy < 1312509566 400211 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1312509819 973622 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is clearly the best < 1312509866 604146 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly has an idea for a weird captcha < 1312509881 391767 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What is the URL of this page?" < 1312509911 935531 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sole purpose would be to reveal the location of captcha farms < 1312509914 416592 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its < 1312509932 888898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1312509955 701238 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it might also work slightly as an ordinary captcha < 1312510034 798146 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION did not edit that userpage with a stupid meme < 1312510115 905043 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION refuses to admit that it is an improvement < 1312510574 989818 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For it to work, you'd need to find a way to prevent it form being recognised automatically. < 1312510609 267172 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :always a problem < 1312510609 937618 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since a bot would be able to know what url it's looking at. < 1312510659 629950 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe have a number of different types of tasks, and instead of obfuscating the answer, do so with the question. < 1312510668 561090 :Sulmersal!~Sulmersal@70.94.60.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312510731 112393 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :'what is the URL of this page'? < 1312510735 411027 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would that reveal captcha farms? < 1312510780 380658 :Sulmersal!~Sulmersal@70.94.60.54 QUIT :Client Quit < 1312510867 266239 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Mechanical Turk type captcha farms. < 1312510904 433558 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see, captchas being solved on another side < 1312510912 201863 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :But would the captcha being executed know what url it's on? < 1312511021 791694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah how does this work < 1312511254 832691 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be hard. < 1312511291 264075 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was imagining the sort of thing where your captcha is used for a captcha on another page, which the spammers control... something i read about somewhere < 1312511300 854492 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though really, it's not like it needs to know. If someone gives the wrong url from seeing it on a farmign site, then it's the wrong one. < 1312511317 308125 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, then it's not like you need ot let them go through anyway. < 1312511330 615367 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What oerjan jsut said. < 1312511377 99118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that would most likely be an iframe, though < 1312511384 518233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case the URL that the captcha saw would be itself < 1312511400 547323 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1312511410 589025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could detect whether it was in frames, but < 1312511518 926719 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i.e. Mechanical Turk. < 1312511521 994148 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm shouldn't captchas do that kind of detection anyway < 1312511531 223520 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: i think it would help if they found a way to integrate the name of a website into the background of a captcha < 1312511559 293837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I suspect they simply screenshot it or similar < 1312511560 572636 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem then would be that the varmints would try to unintegrate the background < 1312511581 820917 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if it's screenshot, then the scheme should work... < 1312511589 983405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh hm true < 1312511609 430459 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, supposedly they do captcha redirections too < 1312511612 884339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this sucks (maybe) < 1312511627 596462 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like having a site which borrows someone elses capcthas < 1312511638 449204 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get naive people to fill them in < 1312511649 400411 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: that's what i'm talking about < 1312511652 728259 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they just type what's in the image, though, it doesn't give away the location. < 1312511656 436555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no fuck < 1312511658 762503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im in utrecht land < 1312511672 171774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: the image asks them to input the url they are on < 1312511673 21210 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think if they were to put the URL into the captcha image itself it would help < 1312511673 446633 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened < 1312511674 66206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably < 1312511682 408056 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a watermark < 1312511687 708485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: utrecht < 1312511692 711522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: help im utrecht < 1312511693 139507 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :which they would then of course try to remove < 1312511698 223818 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: um you are having the opposite idea of what this is intended to do < 1312511698 651324 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I remember is utrecht is scary < 1312511722 708845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: knowing they're helping spammers won't stop people helping < 1312511734 414472 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: this is supposed to trick the people filling in the captchas to reveal what website they are filling it in on < 1312511734 915087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not starving > not helping spammers < 1312511740 80811 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I think it would actually stop a few folk. < 1312511746 303342 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not enough. < 1312511754 117029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: I gather they mainly use farms of Chinese people and the like < 1312511762 488904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... I doubt it < 1312511771 531749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta love slavery < 1312511775 400594 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, though that wouldn't exactly be like Mechanical Turk. < 1312511783 350850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1312511884 792725 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case, it seems like it would be easier to help decrease poverty in china that to stop an army of determined slaves. < 1312511909 481342 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its also prisoners < 1312511928 289886 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard that they make prisoners play world of warcraft for example < 1312511950 997958 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think that would be a bit risky. < 1312511958 614924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Welcome to prison... here's your MMO account." < 1312511966 177076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!" < 1312511971 633951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ANYTHING BUT WORLD OF WARCRAFT!!!!!!" < 1312511972 629646 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to they prevent the prisoners from leaking out information? < 1312511981 304774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm a great Starcraft player -- I swear!" < 1312511983 552094 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok if these are really mostly chinese farms, then i get another idea: make captchas that require people to know something the chinese government is censoring :P < 1312511991 378452 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not allowed to "play" as such.. they have to tediously earn money < 1312512001 301221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1312512005 929593 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so no chat ability I guess. < 1312512010 60890 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or which reveals such information < 1312512011 764882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "What is the Tienanmen square massacre?" < 1312512013 208384 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1312512014 62140 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively: get --yes < 1312512016 831558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/What is/When did the - happen/ < 1312512025 762426 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: precisely :P < 1312512042 254532 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan :o < 1312512044 959790 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1312512055 330124 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're genious < 1312512088 609797 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :now... how to convince them to do that < 1312512137 795380 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think blizzard would like that < 1312512170 30362 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think WoW uses captchas anyway. < 1312512171 167415 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why did someone edit idiocy into a spam userpage < 1312512196 743781 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude, but still... the game of WoW could be edited to send such messages < 1312512197 170157 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 68.95.248.65 2 years of age < 1312512199 82937 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: see above < 1312512204 919741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: lymia < 1312512208 340466 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1312512212 631063 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how far above < 1312512215 82220 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bad at looking < 1312512236 208470 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: *:06 < 1312512242 480138 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... < 1312512244 504564 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh.... < 1312512250 134715 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hides < 1312512253 305280 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would've made a joke referencing Crab Nicholson. < 1312512275 567348 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could introduce new creature into WoW.. three watch crab and grass mud horse < 1312512333 800583 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would just cause a fury of immense proportions < 1312512402 807786 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: iirc that wouldn't be any different from a dirty pun in english < 1312512412 43453 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would upset the americans i assume < 1312512557 902997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: so the gpipe guy........ < 1312512563 336687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: responded to my issues and is looking at my fork............... < 1312512569 805249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is supportive of making it windowing-system-generic............... < 1312512572 578715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and replacing Vec............. < 1312512595 658432 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unforking in progress... < 1312512601 439908 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :........ < 1312512619 601826 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: replacing vec with what < 1312512626 767308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: something else.........maybe tuples.......... < 1312512638 222896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are...... the iksues............. < 1312512640 65729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/tobbebex/GPipe/issues/1 < 1312512640 268236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/tobbebex/GPipe/issues/2 < 1312512664 531192 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can tuples do linear algebra < 1312512702 676693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not :P < 1312512716 785014 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :effort in rewriting whatever vec did < 1312512747 357365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gpipe doesn't use so much that rewriting the functions for tuples would be worse than keeping it < 1312512748 955935 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1,2) + (3,4) -- hm? < 1312512749 900624 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (4,6) < 1312512755 219234 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1312512764 510589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok gpipe does a _bit_ more than that with them :D < 1312512764 939815 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok so rather something like WoWleaks < 1312512780 700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/Vec/0.9.8/doc/html/Data-Vec-LinAlg.html < 1312512812 522216 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :finding out what is being censored and leaking it in WoW < 1312512829 752493 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1312512876 288126 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: i really don't think WoW is a useful place for this. all it would achieve is to get it banned in china. < 1312512927 963966 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1312512998 983614 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1312513007 975741 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin < 1312513113 682412 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this idea that the captcha would discriminate based on IP - it would use bad information about any country _except_ the one you are connecting from < 1312513194 382675 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus you would only get your own country insulted if you are doing something like rerouting through a botnet in another country < 1312513239 590873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1312513244 133569 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as spammers are likely to do) < 1312513319 983623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Warning: Ignoring unusable UNPACK pragma on the < 1312513320 186000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : second argument of `Cons' < 1312513321 65510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooooooooooo < 1312513337 544776 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1312513356 321121 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: UNPACK cannot be used on polymorphic types, can it? < 1312513362 660161 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(vague recall here) < 1312513384 615287 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the unpacked size has to be known < 1312513392 849519 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, why would you do that? < 1312513407 771062 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: do what? < 1312513424 462134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, I just want these compile-time vectors to end up as effectively tuples, really :P < 1312513429 394523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :compile-time-size that is < 1312513463 167216 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1312513495 653329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really wish GHC had pattern synonyms < 1312513553 608649 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few things about patterns make me sad but I forgot what they are oops < 1312513558 295390 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t tmap f (a, b, c) = (f a, f b, f c) < 1312513558 964623 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `=' < 1312513566 259169 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f (a, b, c) -> (f a, f b, f c) < 1312513566 842359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t t1. (t -> t1) -> (t, t, t) -> (t1, t1, t1) < 1312513701 477807 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: well they aren't truly first class for one thing < 1312513718 656526 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess that's most of it < 1312513762 318017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's the maximum tuple length the report guarantees again? < 1312513780 862655 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 rings a bell, but don't count on it < 1312513785 817561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1312513901 7416 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course only 2 has more than a couple useful functions < 1312513949 224219 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that a pun aaaaaaa < 1312513955 720546 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1312513958 51472 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1312513968 863391 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless by accident < 1312514019 956227 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lack of general support for n-touples makes me sad < 1312514105 511183 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does TH help much at all? < 1312514136 281022 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been so long since I used it, but I remember some general tuple constructy stuff < 1312514249 219808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im trying to figure out how to make constructing tuples non-ugly :( < 1312514253 961648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a :- b :- c :- Nil is ugly because of the :- Nil < 1312514263 342839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but (a :- b :- c) is unsustainable, you have to use ugly type-family crap and it doesn't really work < 1312514272 434038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or typeclass shit i suppose < 1312514312 651304 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the :- Nill reminds me of the :.() or whatever it was in Vec < 1312514331 969623 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.: ???????? < 1312514432 851553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yeah it's pretty much the same < 1312514434 290871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and :. < 1312514435 950701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a constructor < 1312514445 118816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that Vec doesn't use gadts so it can be more flexible about waht the nil value is < 1312514448 730347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I could try a quasiquotation thing < 1312514475 530667 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i just had an idea for a programming game.. basically the interpreter is undocumented.. so you have to uncover the syntax of the language somehow < 1312514479 37522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[vec| a, b, c |] or something I guess < 1312514495 727531 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the commas necessary < 1312514507 771997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: well I guess not < 1312514508 625048 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they might help make it cleaner < 1312514509 338142 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you could infer the syntax entirely through error messages < 1312514514 175481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[vec| (9+0) (9+9) |] is kind of ugly < 1312514518 844676 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1312514519 46803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to [vec| 9+0, 9+9 |] < 1312514520 287798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but umm < 1312514524 429700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f [vec| a, b |] = ... < 1312514525 191139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ugly too < 1312514526 79282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe v < 1312514529 71831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f [v|a,b|] = ... < 1312514530 606554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1312514543 859109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1312514547 817116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess f [v|(a,b)|] = ... < 1312514549 521710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be ok < 1312514556 8858 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and back to nap < 1312514593 550682 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer [v|a,b|] over [v|(a,b)|] < 1312514602 30432 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the parens seem a bit extraneous < 1312514603 833677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and that means you can't shadow v < 1312514605 816672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1312514613 265046 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1312514618 94763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1312514622 497739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in [abc|...|] < 1312514624 455979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc is a varname < 1312514648 63244 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that stuff doesn't have its own namespace < 1312514649 407942 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1312514707 258631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1312514808 415851 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my favourite so far might be [vec| a, b |], in that case < 1312514880 923590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vecSizeIsNat :: ((Nat n) => r) -> Vec n a -> r < 1312514881 125879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vecSizeIsNat k V = k < 1312514881 126068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vecSizeIsNat k (_ :- xs) = vecSizeIsNat k xs < 1312514881 126175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mah proofs,,, < 1312515170 168168 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1312515176 922246 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :statically sized vectors, eh < 1312515181 719281 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet you need < 1312515184 699036 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE PROOF WIZARD < 1312515188 412530 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :ProofWizard < 1312515192 274992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAAAAAAAAAAAY < 1312515199 635789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish GHC had proper existential quantification, can you make this happen????????????????? < 1312515204 555794 :ProofWizard!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1312515219 161459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am all kinds of down on having to choose between continuation-passing style and a typeclass for my fromList, ProofWizard < 1312515220 799416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :All kinds of down < 1312515233 537006 :ProofWizard!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just an existential wrapper < 1312515240 696571 :ProofWizard!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :saves you from explicit continuations, at least < 1312515254 883312 :ProofWizard!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, things aren't all fun and games with real existentials < 1312515279 145035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ProofWizard: Well, yeah. < 1312515284 897216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I know they aren't, but I can dream. < 1312515344 596684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ProofWizard: I don't suppose proof wizards have an opinion on how to mitigate or avoid the ugly ":- V" in (a :- b :- c :- V) without resorting to an even uglier [vec| a, b, c |] < 1312515371 127750 :ProofWizard!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1312515412 113247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ProofWizard: You are the shittiest kind of wizard, man < 1312515416 961019 :ProofWizard!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1312515440 115764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ProofWizard: I'm sorry :( < 1312515442 243641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it back < 1312515476 98735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ProofWizard: I don't suppose you know of any decent existing statically-sized vector packages on Hackage, though? I was incredibly surprised that I couldn't find a good one :-P < 1312515482 376179 :ProofWizard!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1312515489 483130 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I'm still not happy with the name of http://esolangs.org/wiki/Wirefunge < 1312515495 14648 :ProofWizard!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the decent ones I've written live in dark corners of my hard drive or on hpaste < 1312515527 720125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Call it the wire-crossing problem < 1312515549 88394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ProofWizard: You should join my (one-man) Bitter About All the Old Hpastes Being Lost Brigade < 1312515567 420564 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im join too < 1312515576 789374 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time I couldn't find a hpaste I wanted to find < 1312515579 250027 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was lost < 1312515583 91696 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this upset me < 1312515680 462106 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1312516121 46853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/49865 whats meant to be seemingly impossible about this.... < 1312516170 516092 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you call those, nondeterministic functions? < 1312516171 770898 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in haskell < 1312516200 164591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat? < 1312516209 340328 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw one that made power sets in learnyouahaskell < 1312516228 755723 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1312516368 648192 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filterM (const [False, True]) "abcd" < 1312516369 473581 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["","d","c","cd","b","bd","bc","bcd","a","ad","ac","acd","ab","abd","abc","... < 1312516372 971198 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one? < 1312516376 478450 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one yes < 1312516377 326485 :ProofWizard!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin < 1312516390 137504 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, "list monad" < 1312516434 285997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff) (hist) . . List of ideas‎; 03:03 . . (+504) . . Saulrh (Talk | contribs) (→General Ideas - Structifuck and Protofuck: create a spec for object-oriented Brainfuck, then write google protocol buffers using for it.) < 1312516437 721892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill dead < 1312516465 396621 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :webscalefuck < 1312516470 850246 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :cloudfuck < 1312516535 908254 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone can provide their own implementation of '+' < 1312516551 123977 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Object-oriented..... < 1312516552 403033 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT < 1312516554 944554 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1312516822 520015 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insufficiently object. < 1312516854 849619 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I simply propose that everything is an object factory. < 1312516906 210142 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AdditionServerProxyRequestFactory < 1312516914 694066 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(am i doing it right?) < 1312516926 620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tc factories < 1312516942 436660 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Except that you obviously also have an AdditionServerProxyRequestFactoryFactory. < 1312516952 412717 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so on. < 1312516960 722003 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1312516969 836806 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :What we need is something to dynamically create factory classes at runtime < 1312516974 119230 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then we don't need to define them all \o/ < 1312516974 476822 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                        | < 1312516974 714816 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                        >\ < 1312517011 157379 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's called "partial application". < 1312517065 179359 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1312517236 176369 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :JustAnotherVirtualmachineApplicationFactory < 1312517245 903488 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-56-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1312517246 213570 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-56-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1312517246 415650 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1312517498 841118 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1312517521 319000 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312517552 351913 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1312517559 171481 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312517776 741679 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep < 1312517959 965879 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1312518490 7708 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1312518523 958489 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did not "already do"; they made Unity the default, sure, but the old classic Gnome desktop is still an option in 11.04. < 1312518709 453092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1312518907 306700 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the "not an option in 11.10" seems to mean that it's not going to be on the CD; I suppose they'll still hae packages for it. < 1312519359 67131 :CakeProphet!~adam@h249.35.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312519359 494513 :CakeProphet!~adam@h249.35.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1312519359 696502 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1312519976 59150 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.4clojure.com/problem/26 < pfft, fail < 1312519978 784953 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheaty solution is shortest. < 1312520557 724713 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1312520789 36814 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312521257 710575 :itidus21!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1312521467 53778 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1312522938 298968 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1312523033 644497 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1312524064 222119 :angstrom!~Unknown@unaffiliated/angstrom QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1312526261 845093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just want to use old versions of netscape and fvwm all day, is that so wrong < 1312526345 343576 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds pretty wrong, yes < 1312526350 700516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1312526630 37904 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first window manager (IIRC): fvwm95. (Pretty sad.) < 1312526692 66596 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't count the rather screwed-up "Workplace Shell" clone for Windows 3.1; http://toastytech.com/guis/wps.html < 1312526706 393805 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It was created because people might find it useful if they used OS/2 and also had to use Windows 3.1, or for people who just wanted to learn about the OS/2 Workplace Shell without having to install OS/2." < 1312526782 207957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fvwm95 is wonderful < 1312526785 853482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im so happy for you fizzie < 1312526880 613117 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fvwm95.sourceforge.net/screenshot-full.gif OH IT LOOKS SO FAMILIAR < 1312526894 652296 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dithered Netscape screen and all. < 1312527008 567010 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first non-DE WM was IceWM, I think. < 1312527033 967229 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still have a soft spot for IceWM, TBH. < 1312527067 251901 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I went with fvwm95 not because of some conscious choice, but because it was installed I-think-almost-by-default by the Slackware 7-point-something. < 1312527110 356342 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later on Enlightenment was an order of magnitude prettier, but ran too slow on my hardware to really be usable. I can't quite recall what I was using at that point instead. < 1312527140 522724 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Window Maker, I think. < 1312527144 847882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1312527153 133467 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that. < 1312528412 917860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1312529651 408519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, the Lion installer repartitions the disk < 1312529658 673346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this could get messy < 1312529732 178707 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this < 1312529744 148795 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh mac < 1312529764 509708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, im anticipating a horrific upgrade process < 1312529764 787618 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot about their cat thing < 1312529767 362201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1312529768 899150 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312529784 172427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the meantime I'm entertaining myself by reading the Ars Technica review: "If you can imagine three dials labeled "color," "contrast," and "contour," Apple has been turning them down slowly for years. Lion accelerates that process." < 1312529796 775466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more color, contrast and contour, only twenty-nine dollars < 1312529800 35678 :Nihilist1andy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312529801 329345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jobs hath spoken < 1312529848 839304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The new look is not a radical departure—everything hasn't gone jet black and grown fur, for example" this review is just gonna be a list of the ways in which apple are going to let me down with this upgrade < 1312529870 503260 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which upgrade? < 1312529870 702059 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1312529882 524116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Jobs OS Lion < 1312529911 178749 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rather like it. Then again, I've been playing with it since Dev < 1312529911 477916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on the less pleasant OS partition of my computer < 1312529917 762850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the one that isn't Linux) < 1312529943 757067 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Phantom_Hoover I'm so proud of my meta-dwarf < 1312529943 955980 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1312529968 328622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Finally, there's Apple's budding love affair with a particular linen texture." < 1312529976 648534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me more < 1312530021 109035 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :About the linen texture? < 1312530033 352705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Though I can assure you that Lion comes with more than eight applications, you wouldn't know it from looking at this screenshot." but it has chess and a dictionary, why would i need anything else.................. < 1312530037 387450 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just this gray thing on the login screen < 1312530044 457095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why cna't there be only eight applications............... < 1312530048 400100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: im not talking to you :P < 1312530057 872772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm having an imagined dialogue with sirawhatever < 1312530063 826870 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1312530083 109498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Apple isn't (yet) asking us to start poking our fingers at our Mac's screen" more disappointments < 1312530090 445480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attacks his screen a few times in protest < 1312530123 786457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lion further cements the dominance of touch by making all touch-based scrolling work like it does on a touchscreen." < 1312530134 682760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"just rebooted into my other OS, time to learn how to scroll again" < 1312530149 304137 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You can shut that off < 1312530155 284874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I learned next paragraph < 1312530160 590431 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1312530182 268726 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not particularly tied to my scrolling direction. I go both ways, as the kids say < 1312530262 431979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how you pirate the retail Lion, a .dmg with the installer .app in it? < 1312530269 893145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that I would ever commit such an abhorrent crime, of course.) < 1312530387 66461 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have a pirated copy < 1312530391 657992 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I also bought it < 1312530406 858803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shock! < 1312530412 645556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should be hung. < 1312530415 732937 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST LIKE FUCKING MINECRAFT < 1312530448 311175 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also decided I'm going to write a MIPS interpreter in Haskell < 1312530482 778874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Interpreter" :-D < 1312530490 15478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally, formal semantics for MIPS < 1312530535 852715 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/interpreter/simulator/ < 1312530539 32815 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a touch drunk < 1312530566 564572 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like spim, but in Haskell < 1312530577 94272 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need to come up with a pun suitable for hackage < 1312530579 773818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have a go at it, too < 1312530583 709404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like "fun" < 1312530605 411267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Are you going to emulate a system, or just have the simulator provide its own syscalls a la JSMIPS? < 1312530607 355159 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Build an i386 CPU in Minecraft. < 1312530612 364288 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna call mine "Elliottcraft" < 1312530657 242366 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not sure, yet, but knowing me it could easily be the former < 1312530664 463105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Gross :) < 1312530696 775656 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one ever had fun staying clean < 1312530706 765162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is one hideous window-opening animation < 1312530804 898321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/RytKT.png <-- also something has gone terribly wrong with the player controls < 1312530818 49749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinity:0NaN:0NaN is a good film length < 1312530829 380731 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Caption hilarity < 1312530870 320845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god this review really is nineteen pages isn't it < 1312530895 792237 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it Ars Technica? < 1312530906 778518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1312530910 651330 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knew it < 1312530935 935268 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :link me please < 1312530949 973964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7.ars < 1312530957 86789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im reading it more out of principle than anything < 1312531042 99374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://static.arstechnica.net/2011/07/04/lion/ical-big.png suddenly i am puking < 1312531048 56799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did this happen < 1312531069 706397 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that... wood grain? < 1312531070 97412 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, right? < 1312531075 792342 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at Address Book < 1312531078 203321 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no < 1312531085 928230 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... leather? or something < 1312531086 202616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: leather < 1312531088 664276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking leather < 1312531092 445866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a fucking leather diary thing < 1312531093 654650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ < 1312531097 695525 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first OS that vegans can't use < 1312531105 238674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apple what are you DOING < 1312531110 260962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought brushed metal was bad < 1312531125 878587 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :srsly < 1312531135 963853 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope there's a skinning system on the way < 1312531139 292726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me of the first few versions where the pinstripes were like < 1312531142 464828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really dark < 1312531144 395076 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I just have to go an change the damn textures myself < 1312531149 849858 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and < 1312531151 662960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so you couldn't read any window title or toolbar icon or anything < 1312531159 37737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: remember UNO? < 1312531179 80725 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe? < 1312531189 596712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gui.interacto.net/ < 1312531193 793470 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah < 1312531202 293561 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I've remembered it < 1312531213 340713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how there was an application designed solely to stop the system having like ten wildly different themes < 1312531250 977382 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1312531278 55173 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple needs to stop hiring hipsters, or marketing to hipsters, or whatever caused this < 1312531292 689108 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop raping puppies < 1312531293 444469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how leopard was like, fuck this, we're using exactly one theme from now on < 1312531297 767649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the itunes team went < 1312531303 321572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"... hi we have a new theme :D :D :D :D :D :D" < 1312531316 675729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nobody shot them for some reason??? < 1312531320 387905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate this os < 1312531330 928383 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you use it then < 1312531334 883581 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least iTunes is finally 64-bit. < 1312531343 209392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: i don't < 1312531344 445331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use linux < 1312531354 779032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i boot into os x only when i need to use something that doesn't run on linux, or when i need to upgrade it < 1312531374 716642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: woo, now _there's_ a change that will have no conceivable effect on me whatsoever < 1312531378 380663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, wait, so they ported it to Cocoa? < 1312531384 690689 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1312531396 443614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it still have the fucking window management buttons vertically < 1312531400 504040 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still pretty horrendous < 1312531410 507626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if it does < 1312531416 2222 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, the buttons are back to a sensible horizontal < 1312531416 688639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll still avoid opening it for my sanity < 1312531420 59873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good < 1312531425 765811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it... < 1312531428 969542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm < 1312531429 820173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1312531431 241206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the catch < 1312531441 425075 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually unified fairly well, as they say < 1312531447 569963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://static.arstechnica.net/2011/07/04/lion/address-book.png < 1312531447 772086 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just also boring < 1312531449 61965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1312531450 927276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im actually laughing < 1312531459 115466 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't I tell you? < 1312531467 795043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but < 1312531470 352306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt know it would be that bad < 1312531478 109506 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1312531489 199352 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, many iPad owners don't know what a book is < 1312531496 72378 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How will they know how to parse this design? < 1312531512 9712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clicking that address book screenshot opens this: http://static.arstechnica.net/2011/07/04/lion/dangerous.html < 1312531541 380222 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1312531553 382333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The three-pane view (groups → people → detail) is gone, presumably because a book can't show three pages at once." < 1312531571 28915 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Triptych < 1312531601 837611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1312531605 256506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :best address book format < 1312531627 263416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on iCal, in March: "That pic has got to be fake, it's waaaaaay to different to the shots/video of DP1." < 1312531659 167038 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1312531664 422423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"causes the current desktop picture to recede slightly into the center of the screen, revealing behind it our old friend the linen pattern." < 1312531666 941466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love you, linen pattern < 1312531782 395954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Holding down the option key makes all the icons sprout close widgets as they start to wiggle." < 1312531795 386063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh more linen. hi linen < 1312531953 268061 :Nihilist1andy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1312531964 374425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: oh that RDP < 1312531978 912015 :Nihilist1andy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312531990 643869 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that rdp < 1312532015 288505 :Nihilist1andy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the main benefit to the iTunes 64 bit nonsense is that it stops me having a fit every time I look at System Monitor < 1312532029 358776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: dmbarbour rdp reactive demand programming thing < 1312532036 996086 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1312532039 454477 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I forget everything else about it < 1312532058 887142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nihilist1andy: I have a fit when I look at System Monitor because when I do that it means I'm trying to kill something that's about to hang the system because my OS sucks < 1312532096 805145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://static.arstechnica.net/2011/07/04/lion/save-a-version.png < 1312532104 389102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY STOLE LEADEN'S CORE FEATURE < 1312532108 233775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASTARDS < 1312532115 319794 :Nihilist1andy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use it to watch ghc blow up when I do odd things < 1312532121 256950 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312532126 97094 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312532145 361780 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1312532148 387953 :Nihilist2andy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312532190 469141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nihilist1andy: im glad that the review is basically advocating orthogonal persistence for an entire chapter < 1312532196 15150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll just throw it at people to convince them < 1312532233 352818 :Nihilist1andy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad that Ars published a new version of War and Peace that's a little more Cupertino-flavored < 1312532245 85074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1312532261 896666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nihilist1andy: this is shorter than the average length i think < 1312532267 331463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last one was over twenty pages < 1312532273 419621 :Nihilist1andy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But about a fucking OS update? < 1312532289 314797 :Nihilist1andy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Whiny Wombat get this kind of treatment? < 1312532333 224096 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whiny Wombat? < 1312532338 148728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the OS may terminate applications that are not in use in order to reclaim resources—primarily memory, but also things like file descriptors, CPU cycles, and processes." yess keep arguing for things i've been arguing for for years < 1312532341 268825 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you one of them time travelling ubuntu users? < 1312532347 257073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO'S THE CRACKPOT NOW ASSHOLES........................... < 1312532391 516299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nihilist1andy: Ubuntu users get OMG! Ubuntu!... this is one of the few superior points of OS X < 1312532398 311116 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently according to Canadian law, in case of a riot the sheriff or mayor is required to go there if they have received notice, and tell them that the queen has authorized them to be imprisoned for life. However, the punishment for a riot is listed as only two years. Are they trying to confuse everyone? < 1312532444 732167 :Nihilist1andy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: THERE'S STILL TIME < 1312532446 571029 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Them Canadians don't listen to the Queen much < 1312532450 269611 :Nihilist4andy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312532453 123703 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're more Rolling Stones fans < 1312532512 684075 :Nihilist1andy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PART #esoteric :"http://haskell.org" < 1312532524 49622 :Nihilist1andy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312532533 809674 :Nihilist1andy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the hell, client :/ < 1312532534 507250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nihilist1andy: stop reproducing < 1312532536 407681 :Nihilist1andy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1312532550 555427 :Nihilist1andy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1312532550 750935 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1312532550 751075 :Nihilist4andy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1312532577 524793 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312532578 483750 :Nihilist2andy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1312532620 394856 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me, yet? < 1312532627 716574 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Christ on sale < 1312532648 746522 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My irssi bouncer and my head client appear to have been fighting after my connection died, there < 1312532668 21723 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they're usually such a nice couple < 1312532701 263753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The previous release of Mac OS X focused on internal changes. My review did the same, covering compiler features, programming language extensions, new libraries, and other details that were mostly invisible to end-users." <-- i remember that, it was a nice review < 1312532710 3520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like he talked about clang for at least a chapter < 1312532723 633697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to an audience the vast majority of which has probably never written a single line of code in their life < 1312532773 127389 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's like reddit, only it's just a single voice < 1312532814 602066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lion includes a trusted daemon process called Powerbox (pboxd) whose job is to present and control open/save dialog boxes on behalf of sandboxed applications." < 1312532826 714651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sure wish os x didn't suck or i'd be happy that someone is finally listening to good ideas < 1312532837 899898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh, and in case it doesn't go without saying, all sandboxed applications must be signed." < 1312532838 96738 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good idea < 1312532839 301974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s i g h < 1312532841 553465 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1312532883 304768 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... *Why* would you require sandboxed applications to be signed, exactly? < 1312532897 168771 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely, surely sandboxing makes that even *less* useful. < 1312532901 632980 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can get developer's autographs? < 1312532903 157463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because jobs must controleverything [insert picture of steve jobs with horns] < 1312532916 488169 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right, Jobs thinks the iPhone is the future of computing. < 1312532920 499324 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what's fun? < 1312532929 272159 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asking random people for their autographs < 1312532943 448817 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When, at *best*, it's the future of small-device touchscreen UIs. < 1312532948 491114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're way too social, get out < 1312532972 197114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the iPhone, probably not; the iPad... well, it's closer than current desktop PCs < 1312532986 273436 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I did say "at best". < 1312532986 469992 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tthe future is a bad place < 1312532991 251683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Apple has decreed that all applications submitted to the Mac App Store must be sandboxed, starting in November." < 1312532992 236684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1312533011 801651 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only way to find out what the future's like is to go there < 1312533014 902738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I meant re computing < 1312533042 778827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What a developer can do instead is isolate the video decoding task in its own process with severely reduced privileges. A process that's decoding video probably doesn't need any access to the file system, the network, the built-in camera and microphone, and so on. It just needs to accept a stream of bytes from its parent process (which, in turn, probably used Powerbox to gain the ability to read those bytes from disk in the first pla < 1312533043 51865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ce) and return a stream of decoded bytes. Beyond this simple connection to its parent, the decoder can be completely walled off from the rest of the system." < 1312533043 712793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOUNDS < 1312533044 826873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIKE < 1312533046 800728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A < 1312533048 718716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PURE < 1312533049 815334 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ah. Yeah, the iPad is probably *closer*, but it feels almost like for every step forward they made a step back. < 1312533050 804787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUNCTION < 1312533052 782754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO < 1312533054 891306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ME < 1312533058 458662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCKIN' FUNCTIONAL SUPERIORITY SLAM DUNK < 1312533064 225384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHAZAAAAAAAAAAAM < 1312533072 972345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION plays air guitar < 1312533087 463369 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it lambda-shaped? < 1312533095 894627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ym god < 1312533096 579599 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hmm. Some amount of orthogonal persistence... But you don't own the machine!" < 1312533105 437774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never knew i needed a lambda shaped electric guitar in my life until now < 1312533108 286323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy < 1312533111 53699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy i am going to start a band < 1312533113 560011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1312533114 289537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda < 1312533114 882454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shaped < 1312533115 565428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guitars < 1312533117 626841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only < 1312533117 823210 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1312533119 454455 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1312533123 24479 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1312533125 915561 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nice UI, but YOU NO GET COMPILER" < 1312533135 656377 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is it just me, or have you not been sleeping again? < 1312533144 319250 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bring the ellipses shaped drumkit < 1312533170 699563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I've not been awake for very long. < 1312533179 839139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less than fifteen hours, that's for certain. < 1312533186 868150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just this cool all the time. < 1312533194 101095 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be. < 1312533196 507710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: OK DO YOU WANT TO JOIN. < 1312533204 60396 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M SO FUCKING IN < 1312533207 139361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to play an instrument shaped like some kind of ... thing. < 1312533223 236364 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tambourines look like composition < 1312533224 581805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monadic bind xylophone???? < 1312533229 908151 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also good < 1312533252 436291 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Identity function microphone? < 1312533252 710258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, two lines of keys oriented vertically going diagonally that meet and then go horizontally < 1312533258 55389 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<$> What instruments look like this? < 1312533261 744184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except split into two when they meet I guess < 1312533262 703571 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZIthers? < 1312533269 35112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: A... symmetrical triangle? < 1312533289 7691 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :<=> Can this be made into an instrument < 1312533296 111031 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :KEYTAR < 1312533312 662779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're called the Knights of the Lambda Calculus, no arguments. < 1312533320 985901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the real Knights might sue us but who cares. < 1312533355 735311 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, theremin built into a frame with some shape < 1312533370 231996 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would they sue? < 1312533378 543293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For using their name :-P < 1312533379 417618 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would we not rock them purely and without side effects? < 1312533390 406468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god this is the best worst thing < 1312533406 529215 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll have a song called < 1312533432 555544 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type curry . curry . uncurry < 1312533433 166293 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b b1 c. ((a, b) -> b1 -> c) -> a -> b -> b1 -> c < 1312533435 770198 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That < 1312533445 562772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly we have to cover http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM1Zb3xmvMc. < 1312533459 136102 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't ask me Y < 1312533492 279503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Genre: Funktional < 1312533493 346047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is so bad < 1312533494 630371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have to stop < 1312533515 749575 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1312533527 657826 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, related videos made me a pedophile :/ < 1312533528 522980 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLLDWw7r3nQ&feature=related < 1312533539 875424 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought she was gonna talk about parentheses < 1312533542 277728 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT NO < 1312533550 168274 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is imperative that you listen to my band < 1312533576 442834 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: WE ARE BUSY CONSTRUCTING A NEWTYPE OF AWESOME < 1312533602 427725 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1312533617 109989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Newtype of Science. < 1312533643 800360 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just "Dance" < 1312533658 814495 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will be our single < 1312533671 94703 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta get them out of their ergonomic desk chairs < 1312533707 144268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As soon as you sellouts play at RailsConf I'm quitting. < 1312533741 562405 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first track on the album should be called Cons < 1312533761 662252 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1312533774 34589 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type uncurry. curry < 1312533774 605638 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b c. ((a, b) -> c) -> (a, b) -> c < 1312533788 353688 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The headlines will read "eta reduction" as our record sales climb < 1312533799 681921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: idgi < 1312533847 430526 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I equate lambda expressions with obscurity, for this metaphor < 1312533851 973803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1312533869 176196 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slightly more sense < 1312533874 315184 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much, though < 1312533887 47353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1312533895 273226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's explaining how you can't do precise garbage collection for C < 1312533902 717138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the untypedness of memory < 1312533909 965257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hero < 1312533916 569640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :educate the masses....educate..... < 1312533931 735655 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is? < 1312533965 719774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :siracusa, the review-writer < 1312534030 223666 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1312534052 482048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To ensure that ARC can do what it's designed to do in a correct manner, a few additional language restrictions have been added. Most of them are esoteric, existing on the boundaries between Objective-C and plain C code (e.g., C structs and unions are not allowed to contain references to Objective-C objects)." < 1312534055 211942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1312534066 501375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the reverse just has to happen and they'll have two entirely separate data models :D < 1312534079 406515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's per-compilation-unit < 1312534173 295617 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol < 1312534177 755234 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :The address book in lion is literally a book < 1312534179 322690 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANKS < 1312534202 585330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: welcome to five pages up :P < 1312534261 380319 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the videoconferencing app doesn't look like a phone. (Cf. http://homepage.mac.com/bradster/iarchitect/phone.htm ) < 1312534411 176676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and to top it off, normal Objective-C message sending is 33 percent faster." < 1312534418 792621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how have they not eked every last bit of performance out of that code path yet? < 1312534426 504370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it involves looking up a string in a hash table, but c'mon... < 1312534436 600605 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the CD player probably doesn't look like http://homepage.mac.com/bradster/iarchitect/realcd.htm either; I've forgotten what it looks like if you try to play an audio CD in OS X. < 1312534465 459335 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: iTunes < 1312534484 104223 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So meh < 1312534492 846482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I note that QuickTime four is also on that site :-P < 1312534504 707490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Furthermore, ARC does very little to address the other pillar of modern, high-level programming: memory safety." < 1312534512 760956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if most people reading this review just skip this section < 1312534621 698216 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARC? < 1312534662 25680 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only arc I know is that lisp dialect paul graham's was it whatever happened to that < 1312534662 453307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: automatic reference counting < 1312534664 978614 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1312534667 331562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it sucked < 1312534673 323352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it continues to suck to the present day < 1312534675 743439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pg's that is) < 1312534693 930876 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I never really understood the point < 1312534722 732080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When searching for unused nodes in a b-tree file, Apple's HFS+ implementation processes the data 16 bits at a time." < 1312534726 302829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant believe os x still uses hfs+ < 1312534728 33165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its amazing < 1312534737 850144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All HFS+ file system metadata read from the disk must be byte swapped because it's stored in big-endian form." < 1312534751 396663 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, apple? < 1312534758 645614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok ok so actually [dunno how to type an at symbol without number keys on os x] has this too) < 1312534761 848858 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is wirefunge going to use the entire of Unicode? < 1312534768 450547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because the on-disk format has to be platform-independent) < 1312534780 697908 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1312534784 497871 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of enough uses anyway < 1312534788 959076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"File system metadata structures in HFS+ have global locks. Only one process can update the file system at a time" < 1312534789 528098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1312534805 381335 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :though being able to embed a circuit in one cell and have it link to another file that implements the circuit wolud be nice < 1312534851 662562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some of those features were an easy fit, but others were very difficult to add to the file system without breaking backwards compatibility. One particularly scary example is the implementation of hard links on HFS+. To keep track of hard links, HFS+ creates a separate file for each hard link inside a hidden directory at the root level of the volume. Hidden directories are kind of creepy to begin with, but the real scare comes when yo < 1312534851 902743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :u remember that Time Machine is implemented using hard links to avoid unnecessary data duplication. < 1312534851 902835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Listing the contents of this hidden directory (named "HFS+ Private Data", but with a bunch of non-printing characters preceding the "H") on my Time Machine backup volume reveals that it contains 573,127 files. B-trees or no b-trees, over half a million files in a single directory makes me nervous." < 1312534853 273343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh apple < 1312534931 49675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, *ouch* < 1312534994 590527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The biggest is the introduction of Apple's first real crack at creating a logical volume manager: Core Storage." < 1312534996 118662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy < 1312535025 418653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"At the very top level is the Logical Volume Group, which may contain one or more Physical Volumes. A Physical Volume provides storage; it may be a single physical disk, a disk image file, or even a RAID device. A Logical Volume Group exports zero or more Logical Volume Families. A Logical Volume Family contains one or more Logical Volumes, each of which presents a blank canvas onto which—finally!—a volume format like HFS+ may res < 1312535025 620644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ide." < 1312535028 320851 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : (because the on-disk format has to be platform-independent) <-- presumably this is the case for ext4 and so on too on some platforms < 1312535033 334997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: isn't this just lvm terminology lifted directly :D < 1312535046 364307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also, yeah, but for [at] it's more pronounced < 1312535057 174814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because, e.g. every integer, pointer, in every stored object, must be in one format < 1312535059 265583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on all platforms < 1312535077 860614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas file content can be whatever on a (big|little|whichever it is)-endian ext platform < 1312535082 854665 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think apple added "logical volume families" step < 1312535106 883323 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, LVM is just "volume group made out of physical volumes, from those volume groups you allocate logical volumes" < 1312535116 890553 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :apple has at least one extra step of indirection there < 1312535117 460976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lion's FileVault doesn't just encrypt users' home directories, and it doesn't use encrypted disk image files. Instead, it's Apple's implementation of whole disk encryption. This means that every byte of data that makes up the volume is encrypted. Furthermore, this encryption is completely transparent to all software (including the implementation of HFS+ itself) because it takes place at a layer above the volume format—a layer that < 1312535117 663348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :application software does not see at all." < 1312535118 315480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1312535173 570174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://static.arstechnica.net/2011/07/04/lion/file-vault-recovery-key.png < 1312535174 661176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://static.arstechnica.net/2011/07/04/lion/file-vault-apple-recovery-key.png < 1312535175 716716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1312535185 588165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it constructs a private key where the password is the combination of the questions and answers, I guess < 1312535189 57017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then encrypts the key with it < 1312535194 762908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and throws away the questions and answers < 1312535210 544594 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is FileVault finally unshitty enough to actually use is the question < 1312535227 609626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ugh, fixed easy security questions suck < 1312535235 674898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh, agreed < 1312535239 954247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm just talking about the mechanism < 1312535244 465548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: It's entirely reimplemented, so yes < 1312535249 533107 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shweet < 1312535253 177474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well they have fixed stupidly easy security questions there... < 1312535254 34296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: There can't be any compatibility problems because it's transparent < 1312535270 668267 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what algorithm does filevault use on the disk < 1312535271 380077 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally I don't have to use PGP, anymore < 1312535281 7560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm talking about the mechanism by which Apple prevents themselves from being able to have your decryption key < 1312535283 726574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't know < 1312535298 922449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also :D at the Clarus reference in that screenshot < 1312535303 662079 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AES < 1312535306 106056 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way < 1312535307 688240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogcow for those not in the know) < 1312535321 307979 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, that is not very specific < 1312535337 181575 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure about the keys, themselves < 1312535339 473735 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on < 1312535340 330991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, aes-cbc-essiv? < 1312535347 379126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Like any talented dog, it can do flips. Like any talented cow, it can do precision bitmap alignment." so good < 1312535360 189074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, I mean I can query my disk under linux and get that it uses aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 on my laptop < 1312535369 329417 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(device-mapper, crypsetup) < 1312535383 506431 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I haven't set it up, yet < 1312535388 119073 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cryptsetup* < 1312535394 70168 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I couldn't do such a query even if I knew how < 1312535419 777613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: please don't do your standard "LOL [PIECE OF NON-OPEN SOFTWARE] ISN'T OPEN HOW WEIRD" routine :P < 1312535420 348905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, I wouldn't trust it if apple doesn't tell what mode they use aes in < 1312535431 96582 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll see if I can find out < 1312535443 51401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You wouldn't trust OS X for anything in a million years, so that statement is misleading. < 1312535446 433378 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, while I doubt they would use AES in counter mode, they should specify what mode they use < 1312535454 398778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, or just keep trolling. < 1312535461 453298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7.ars/13 < 1312535464 290101 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for cryptography it is very important to be open, so people can trust you < 1312535465 332528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Grep /CoreStorage logical volume groups (1 found)/ and shut up < 1312535469 7425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shows the mode < 1312535487 168653 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, xts < 1312535603 736013 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this good news? < 1312535622 430212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks fancy :-P < 1312535623 903717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenBSD uses it < 1312535633 639861 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, complicated, depends on how they do the key as far as I understood it. Which I don't see any info about ther < 1312535635 305722 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there* < 1312535643 652654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha, did he really just paste a SQLite schema into one of the most widely-read OS X reviews on the internet < 1312535655 254353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So awesome < 1312535655 991929 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where? < 1312535659 226595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7.ars/14 < 1312535701 966627 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He had to pad the article < 1312535729 399848 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This Mozilla technology evangelist guy (who's talking about doing multimeeediatic stuff in the interwebs; this is one of the Assembly 2011 seminar things) says "which is particularly exciting" of every sort of technology he's presenting. < 1312535744 606035 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if your job title is "technology evangelist" you sort of have to be excited about everything. < 1312535773 246037 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179113237.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially teen ministers < 1312535864 80100 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You aren't excited about teen ministers? < 1312535879 69605 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're particularly interesting < 1312535951 220864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Imagine taking a dish out of the dishwasher and then having it start flopping around like a fish in your hand." < 1312535955 711096 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly it's just about WebGL. < 1312536006 940108 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: can I make a feature request for Wirefunge? < 1312536026 932022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Does the Finder really open in All My Files by default rather than the home directory? < 1312536029 206930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's interesting. < 1312536043 240914 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a little unnerving < 1312536044 954995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I can't believe apple is using sqlite for any sort of largish db < 1312536049 120003 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you get used to it < 1312536053 636449 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you shut it off < 1312536058 5730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Why? < 1312536069 595976 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They use sqlite for every damn thing < 1312536071 115413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, because sqlite scales badly in my experience < 1312536073 206937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLite is incredibly well-written and I haven't heard anything concrete about it scaling badly. < 1312536088 337268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"in my experience" is not really worth much, I doubt you've done a tenth of the testing they have :) < 1312536095 962038 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay, lets say it doesn't scale as good as postgre then < 1312536102 116635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously it doesn't work well in multiple-user situations but that's irrelevant here < 1312536105 62823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So? < 1312536110 764207 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1312536129 222002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's RAM and CPU being used all the time. < 1312536134 916551 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the server tools come with postgres now instead of MySQL < 1312536139 884536 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway computers are multi-user. Even if there is only one interactive human user, there are many daemons < 1312536142 354283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a probably unnoticeable performance increase. < 1312536148 416657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They're not causing revisions to be made < 1312536152 484426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1312536155 386283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an act a human does by definition < 1312536159 800108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In OS X) < 1312536188 149233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:18 elliott: "Imagine taking a dish out of the dishwasher and then having it start flopping around like a fish in your hand." < 1312536190 826525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a quote from the review btw < 1312536248 239210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Aesthetically speaking, the Finder, like the rest of Lion, has been visited by the color vampire." < 1312536252 799357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarry,,,, < 1312536284 373976 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vant to suck your blue~ < 1312536328 130121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the redesigned Mail looks nice < 1312536331 392290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and finally has conversations < 1312536390 426305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Or rather, look at how much of the surrounding interface isn't there." Look how much code I'm NOT writing! < 1312536394 178205 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is actually very nice < 1312536401 451252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apologies if you get the reference.) < 1312536428 250101 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like the Agda lament < 1312536450 385601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm? Link? < 1312536463 282481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was referring to the insufferable Rails screencast of two-thousand-and-five yore. < 1312536478 449308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Also, is that accordion effect as annoying as it looks? < 1312536484 446504 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that's what Agda people say when they switch from Haskell :D < 1312536501 873124 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which accordion effect? < 1312536513 724087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're writing less code in Agda than in Haskell... then you were doing horrible things to Haskell. :p < 1312536516 863096 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*because no one ever writes any Agda, they just talk about it < 1312536519 851230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: On expanding quotes in Mail < 1312536520 695976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And heh < 1312536530 318419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, wait, does Mail actually support gmail-style conversations now? < 1312536531 328460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't tell < 1312536564 784766 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Re accordion, it's not annoying so much as twee < 1312536571 115908 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re conversations, yes. < 1312536580 536091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twee is a synonym for annoying :P < 1312536592 250064 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only in some circles < 1312536592 457605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh thank god, the Downloads window is gone. < 1312536618 450831 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Right, but god help you if you want to look at your downloads without an entire Safari window open < 1312536629 730403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When do you ever not have an entire Safari window open < 1312536632 252825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're a Safari user < 1312536646 783798 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Often < 1312536665 493988 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually when I'm done < 1312536666 955053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh sweet, Terminal supports full-screen mode; now everybody can forget that the rest of the OS exists < 1312536693 359274 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentioned that ages ago < 1312536706 579203 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the best part, really < 1312536733 522871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, they've moved around the System Preferences icons again < 1312536737 3818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd almost had them memorised < 1312536811 760684 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, doesn't support text mode? < 1312536818 865703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1312536831 446122 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why full screen terminal instead of just not starting up the GUI. =p < 1312536837 952167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://static.arstechnica.net/2011/07/04/lion/system-preferences-time-zone.png Well that's an ugly square < 1312536839 159048 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: You can do that < 1312536845 13915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: Well, text editing, for one :-P < 1312536850 861730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: You have to start in single-user mode, though < 1312536859 811929 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Or log in with >console < 1312536860 803900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then work upwards < 1312536865 300659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Eh? < 1312536871 458230 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fo to the login screen < 1312536872 468905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://static.arstechnica.net/2011/07/04/lion/auto-correction.png < 1312536875 597333 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use the name >console < 1312536878 743406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION taps screen impatiently < 1312536885 899421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT ISN;T WORKING/ < 1312536900 278968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: That sounds like a nice security hole < 1312536901 756011 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Autocorrect is awesome and slightly unsettling < 1312536911 98022 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You still have to log in with an account < 1312536918 217390 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's safer than that super user nonsense < 1312536921 936982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1312536928 747867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/super user/single user/? < 1312536934 714225 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1312536942 929008 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disabled it months ago < 1312536945 570655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://static.arstechnica.net/2011/07/04/lion/lock-screen-big.png Well, that's certainly the prettiest lock screen I've seen today < 1312536947 753966 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Years, even < 1312536951 344083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which isn't saying much < 1312536969 524239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FACE WITH NO GOOD GESTURE (U+1F645); MOON VIEWING CEREMONY (U+1F391); PILE OF POO (U+1F4A9)" <-- good image caption < 1312536988 209571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god wait. < 1312536999 351870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Do the emojis work in any application that displays Unicode text via the usual mechanisms? < 1312537004 454321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you send them OVER IRC?? < 1312537010 451933 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe < 1312537010 656422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do it now, send us a pile of poo. < 1312537013 727582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do it. < 1312537014 161382 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be worth a shot < 1312537016 480647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go go go < 1312537020 168235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE WORLD IS WAITING < 1312537020 457898 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, lemme look < 1312537026 520281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://static.arstechnica.net/2011/07/04/lion/emoji.png < 1312537026 952077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTH < 1312537040 255883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://static.arstechnica.net/2011/07/04/lion/terminal-blur.png Caption: "I want to know what's behind my terminal window, but I don't want to know every detail." < 1312537042 617236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also good caption < 1312537056 133511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Just... gimme a VAGUE IDEA of what's behind here." < 1312537067 544636 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu 11.10's swapping from GDM to LightDM for the login screen; wonder if it's really going to look any different. < 1312537072 380234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Terminal also—finally—supports 256 text colors with its new xterm-256color terminal type." Man, it still hasn't had them? < 1312537074 803517 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :💩 < 1312537076 457746 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sent < 1312537081 499306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Nice square < 1312537084 72728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Work for you? < 1312537086 750375 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1312537090 475327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "LightDM is a cross-desktop display manager that aims is to be the standard display manager for the X.org X server." < 1312537097 49551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, freedesktop.org; does your hubris know no bounds? < 1312537112 956358 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179113237.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'm fknthrilled for 11.10 < 1312537114 21321 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well of course they "aim" to be the standard everything of everything. < 1312537114 599751 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you *can* send them over IRC < 1312537115 463980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could release literally any piece of software and say it should be the standard forever. < 1312537120 232099 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the poo, by the way < 1312537140 366102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fknthrilled": experts say, not strictly a word. < 1312537150 156717 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[01F4A5] (or something) as rendered by XChat. < 1312537162 85681 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179113237.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :innovation is often made by amateurs. < 1312537163 970514 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fkn- is totally a prefix < 1312537177 358154 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least it manages to put non-BMP characters in a bigger-than-four-digits box.) < 1312537183 789945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which amateur is innovating again < 1312537184 656691 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179113237.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXPERTS IN ARGUMENT. < 1312537191 31295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1312537194 211915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're being tedious < 1312537195 135478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1312537207 45746 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179113237.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to you being a breeze, yeah. < 1312537208 647698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That sort of looks like a pile of poo. < 1312537209 225619 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Font Book still suck according to the article? < 1312537228 504847 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to call PINs Personal PIN Numbers that Identify you < 1312537231 242066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://static.arstechnica.net/2011/07/04/lion/system-info-overview.png Well, umm, that's certainly a pretty System Profiler, I guess < 1312537250 101169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://static.arstechnica.net/2011/07/04/lion/system-info-storage.png Not sure what inspired that colour scheme < 1312537273 950170 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :very coloure < 1312537275 539150 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't imagine~ < 1312537292 79840 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you hit the case with a hammer, does it show the resulting bump in that System Profiler picture? < 1312537298 427907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :More good captioning: "Unfilled RAM slots are sinful. I am ashamed." < 1312537308 9161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes. (If we do not test it, we can continue to believe.) < 1312537330 338028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Want an eBook or PDF copy? Support Ars and it's yours." < 1312537336 496519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I definitely want an eBook copy of this review. < 1312537340 827415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will enjoy it time and time again. < 1312537342 784681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a classic. < 1312537364 27754 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL PASS THIS FILE ONTO MY GRANDCHILDREN WHEN THEY ARE OLD ENOUGH < 1312537438 676261 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ON TO < 1312537460 316124 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179113237.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :unto < 1312537499 304399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mainstream reviews of software and hardware alike spend far less time pondering technical specifications and implementation details than they did only a few years ago." < 1312537506 487915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm definitely not reading a mainstream review, then < 1312537513 541405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This phenomenon extends even to the geekiest among us, those who didn't just skip to the conclusion of this review but actually read the entire thing." < 1312537516 626302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, I'm being branded. < 1312537527 231334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's finally over. < 1312537582 846764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Hahaha, it really forces you to prove you know how to scroll in the new way before letting you in < 1312537587 58772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's amazing < 1312537601 282389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Okay, got i-" "I DON'T BELIEVE YOU. SCROLL FOR ME, CHILD." < 1312537601 487043 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1312537622 847131 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote "Okay, got i-" "I DON'T BELIEVE YOU. SCROLL FOR ME, CHILD." < 1312537626 196291 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :564) "Okay, got i-" "I DON'T BELIEVE YOU. SCROLL FOR ME, CHILD." < 1312537629 560577 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better out of context < 1312537653 871815 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this new scrolling thing is it good < 1312537665 105310 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Aviator controls < 1312537671 489004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im aviate < 1312537675 98783 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hlep i dont'e know aht that is helep < 1312537681 787103 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plane < 1312537684 338351 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*s < 1312537685 517725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://static.arstechnica.net/2011/07/18/lion_finder_airdrop-4e24a31-intro.png THE POWERFUL SPHERE OF HARRIET < 1312537689 697383 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go up to go down < 1312537692 266001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: up is down down is up < 1312537698 229987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :true is false,,,,,, two is nine,,,, < 1312537701 356747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rite is rong,,, < 1312537707 342356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just is injust,,, < 1312537708 980155 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why woudle thye do thate < 1312537709 429642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x is unx,,,,, < 1312537712 784170 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: AirDrop sadly doesn't work on mine < 1312537717 199343 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too old < 1312537736 604293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: mine was new but then they came out with a new model seven months later,,,,, assholes, < 1312537777 688013 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are scrollbares inverted tooe < 1312537792 719579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill invert ur scrollbar . com < 1312537884 468311 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently paintball games are technically illegal in Canada. Does anyone care? < 1312537929 921867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :paintballers < 1312537931 658782 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :paintball always makes me think < 1312537934 496886 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :extreme paintbrawl < 1312537938 768583 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li5mXnHyg9w < 1312537956 370148 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :best music best game < 1312537960 236143 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1312537985 274947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tabs please?" "Are you serious? Drag your fingers across the frets and cluck like a chicken." < 1312537997 147199 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://static.arstechnica.net/2011/07/18/lion_finder_airdrop-4e24a31-intro.png THE POWERFUL SPHERE OF HARRIET <-- ad-hoc wlan? or bluetooth? < 1312538008 342869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: radiant sun energy < 1312538013 138403 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Ad hoc < 1312538017 718471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(visualised by bands of holiness) < 1312538018 440047 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, wlan or bluetooth < 1312538025 789182 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wlan < 1312538028 352610 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1312538033 372541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_Paintbrawl < 1312538034 94712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1312538037 622995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: is it as good as it looks < 1312538041 695717 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, then any card supporting ad-hoc should work < 1312538049 971785 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It doesn't. < 1312538057 635365 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember the specifics of why < 1312538059 959668 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, but it would also disconnect you from any network you were currently connected to < 1312538064 205395 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: confession time i have never played extreme paintbrawl < 1312538073 766208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: :( < 1312538075 942732 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, I can do standard ad-hoc stuff < 1312538085 373060 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AirDrop operates differently, apparently < 1312538090 366420 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312538091 805041 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though similarly, as well :| < 1312538092 950761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh my god. < 1312538093 155298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now have the most glorious mental image of a paintball fight taking place in a barnyard with Frosty the Snowman systematically violating all the animals with akimbo electric banjos, and all of this is in a Benny Hill-style fast-forwarded scene with several dancing hillbillies and a single Mariachi in the background. < 1312538093 155489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sincerely disappointed that I cannot convey this image through this text box. It's fucking fantastic. Probably make a great mural." < 1312538097 165875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Phantom_Hoover < 1312538124 807117 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : AirDrop operates differently, apparently <-- ouch, non-standard? < 1312538133 88059 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me look it up < 1312538166 592414 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, what does it let you do? share files? < 1312538170 897377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Radiant sun orbs are very standard < 1312538174 160010 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, basically < 1312538187 211350 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/03/10/inside_mac_os_x_10_7_lion_airdrop_local_file_sharing.html < 1312538198 56832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: I wonder how long until the zoom button on windows disappears < 1312538209 32629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does a pretty bad job of automatically sizing things < 1312538217 892990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And with the magic wonder full-screen zoom button thing... < 1312538220 637243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only a matter of time < 1312538224 912408 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly < 1312538256 795387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the zoom button will take its place, because just having two capsules on the left is really weird... except that that destroys the fact that the button to undo it is in the same place < 1312538265 54450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also undoes any conditioning of users < 1312538266 589552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmmmmm < 1312538276 264124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the buttons will move to the right side :O :O :O < 1312538297 7572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And get the same embossed look, I guess < 1312538312 706505 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Embossing is good < 1312538315 377186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe minimised windows will just stop existing :-P < 1312538339 85565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That at least has the nice sort of consistency that you could have an embossed X on the left to close, an embossed zoom-thing on the right, and nothing else < 1312538343 2185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of inconvenient though < 1312538350 638681 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it happens, you can now set minized windows to disappear "in" the app on the Dock < 1312538356 421269 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*minimize < 1312538358 374065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hey, if Apple are dedicated to this orthogonal persistence thing, then you can just call the window up again if you need it again, who needs minimised windows? < 1312538359 612729 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*minimized < 1312538363 703026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Default? < 1312538368 884440 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, no < 1312538378 245847 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's a checkbox < 1312538545 794827 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The persistence thing is surprisingly ungimmicky < 1312538642 787068 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I accidentally hit Cmd-Q in Safari, it doesn't bother asking me if that's okay since I have all this shit open < 1312538646 681395 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just goes away < 1312538652 707600 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then I open Safari again < 1312538660 575289 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's all my shit, right where I left it < 1312538743 666635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: It should do the minimising animation, except every single window goes into the icon :-D < 1312538755 533342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, if it was fast enough, that would be a good cue, assuming it's the zoom minimise animation rather than the unbearable genie < 1312538760 753994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1312538764 858432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cmd-H should disappear < 1312538769 711916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's literally the same as Cmd-Q now < 1312538783 466280 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully. Though I do use Cmd-H a lot. Or did < 1312538792 399428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A windows move into Dock icon/windows burst out of Dock icon model seems like the best way to analogise it < 1312538795 679876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just alias Cmd-H to Cmd-Q < 1312538798 672501 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I just keep everything in its own space < 1312538800 884691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or vice versa < 1312538801 463851 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fullscreened < 1312538802 762496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably vice vesa < 1312538836 585202 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you can turn off the "app is open" lights < 1312538866 479634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES I READ THAT IN THE REVIEW < 1312538874 834039 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it < 1312538917 208430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So when are they going to fix real issues like the Dock being fucking hideous < 1312538944 200375 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's what Alfred's for < 1312538960 412148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not another QuickSilver clone < 1312538964 276464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Sil/sil/ < 1312538986 779465 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than QS, and actually still developed < 1312539001 798100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: QS is actively developed. < 1312539005 422440 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1312539009 936655 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when? < 1312539019 346935 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it died out after SL came out < 1312539019 588821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since recently. < 1312539024 228101 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, neat < 1312539037 560988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quicksilver is now developed by a team of volunteers with work on the open source project increasing throughout 2010.[3] < 1312539037 765922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In November 2009, development shifted to using GitHub.[4] < 1312539037 766103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the end of 2010, a new website QSApp.com was launched, with the aim of unifying and collating all of Quicksilver's fragmented builds, plugins and support groups. Since its launch, the site has included a new Plugins Repository, Wiki and Downloads section. After several months of development, Quicksilver version β59 was released; a marked point in the history of the application. < 1312539049 69644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last release was in June. < 1312539054 730124 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh < 1312539061 211555 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have to switch back < 1312539070 712083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno if it's improved much, mind — it used to be so crashy. < 1312539079 72092 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1312539091 766070 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you tried Alfred? < 1312539114 358008 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is quicksilver now again... the name sounds familiar? < 1312539119 715169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't use OS X. :p < 1312539125 969377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: A... thing. < 1312539134 884080 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1312539140 743583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sort of like an object-oriented linguistic user interface. < 1312539148 343446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the time it's just used as a launcher. :p < 1312539153 781970 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hah < 1312539203 552050 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm so AirDrop is vendor specific. That is rather stupid of apple I think. < 1312539213 810198 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iphone + windows can't be too uncommon < 1312539225 789876 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if iphone gets airdrop... < 1312539245 197672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you seen what happens when Apple try to write Windows applications? < 1312539257 750846 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not in person no < 1312539262 987004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lucky. < 1312539264 287950 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it terrible? < 1312539267 777986 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1312539280 368370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :QuickTime is one of the most-hated pieces of crapware on Windows. < 1312539287 602708 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes that < 1312539297 864042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: I wish I could turn off mouse acceleration and make my trackpad absolute-positioned. < 1312539299 158332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be fun. < 1312539303 547440 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, my point was that apple would probably gain more from using some technology for airdrop that would also work under windows < 1312539318 466123 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm sure there's a way to hack it :D < 1312539320 18083 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, maybe not as well-integrated sure... but would at least work < 1312539324 187252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple don't care much about Windows users. < 1312539341 602931 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, isn't iphone + windows a very common combo? < 1312539347 58366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than iphone + mac possibly < 1312539353 1982 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows users, on the other hand, care very much about Mac users and their stupid smug faces < 1312539357 345603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1312539359 996840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they just ignore that market segment? < 1312539362 337273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They get to suffer through iTunes for Windows. < 1312539366 597987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't pleasant. < 1312539382 644744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iTunes is pretty much the only Windows application Apple cares about. I don't even know why they ported Safari. < 1312539384 874382 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how comes iphones still sell < 1312539396 111212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because other phones suck that much more. < 1312539400 501075 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1312539401 391996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, well, you only need iTunes for syncing. < 1312539405 794918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, android is worse? < 1312539406 710294 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want an @phone < 1312539416 210909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Android is... well, getting better. < 1312539422 516135 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Have you ever used Eclipse? < 1312539427 937383 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have idea I wanted to make up some programming language that can do a few things including implement rules of Magic: the Gathering cards. I have a few ideas about it, including: < 1312539430 798797 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Android is worse < 1312539433 982646 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* First class functions and first class rules < 1312539447 495458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My current solution to the problem of either buying a bad phone or contributing to the complete downfall of any kind of computing freedom is to... not use a phone. < 1312539450 421422 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, for windows integration? < 1312539469 969886 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another place in the interwebs says they support AirDrop only on hardware that has firmware that can do infrastructure and the AirDrop-used ad-hoc mode simultaneously. < 1312539473 6283 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, for writing code on the platform < 1312539476 187172 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1312539478 115414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:16 NihilistDandy: I want an @phone < 1312539484 673794 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Basic types: boolean, integer, static strings (usable only for comparison and that C codes can use directly) < 1312539486 331647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to mumble something about hardware requirements. < 1312539490 593875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, umm, phones are pretty fast aren't they. < 1312539494 657948 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are < 1312539496 609551 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, at least android can run java and flash, unlike iphone < 1312539511 550737 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Other types: enumeration, tagged union, structure, function < 1312539512 944924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Says the guy who doesn't use Flash. < 1312539513 632006 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Those are not laudable qualities < 1312539519 309934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, Flash support on phones is laughable. < 1312539521 930678 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have quad-core phones either out or coming-out-soonishly. < 1312539522 921651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the laggiest piece of shit imaginable. < 1312539526 399184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's utterly unusable. < 1312539527 100796 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dual-core ones they do at least have. < 1312539534 633800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... um, Java doesn't even exist any more for desktop applications. < 1312539536 226709 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed, but I know a lot of people do, which is what I'm talking about < 1312539540 723019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minecraft is the only Java program anyone uses. < 1312539545 913986 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Function types are allowed to include themself or types including themself < 1312539553 223810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I do not consider myself the typical case here < 1312539558 799964 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML5 video players abound, and you don't need Flash games < 1312539559 98369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well that's a change ;-) < 1312539565 365123 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, har < 1312539566 202064 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is Flash necessary again? < 1312539573 427753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: You do need Flash games, you definitely do. < 1312539579 423599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I know I would be most happy with something meego-based :P < 1312539579 858688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iOS is just big enough to get them ported ;-) < 1312539591 182000 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Exactly :D < 1312539602 510003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, MeeGo is totally dead. < 1312539607 210225 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sadly < 1312539610 144108 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1312539611 10335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just hasn't realised that yet. < 1312539620 253711 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Procedural rulebooks < 1312539649 128860 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : HTML5 video players abound, and you don't need Flash games <-- no one can agree on the format for the video though < 1312539652 161809 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Rulebooks specifying reading/writing properties of an object < 1312539666 961370 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Pure functions < 1312539682 731782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really wish they'd just release the patents to H.twosixfour and stop being jackasses. < 1312539701 182139 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Just because there's a hostage taker in the house doesn't mean you don't have a favorite child. < 1312539707 465346 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I forgot who "they" are here < 1312539724 431012 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, err? < 1312539735 449814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that relevant!? < 1312539749 522235 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* External access to/from C codes and other program < 1312539750 686159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: A bunch of people. < 1312539756 16417 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right < 1312539762 933347 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, apple? < 1312539765 746594 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "audio data" API (that lets you actually do stuff to it realtime, instead of just doing playback of existing samples like the HTML5