< 1312761604 220490 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK thanks. Yes, "define-equal" is a good name to describe what = means in Haskell. I will use the = with triangle above it. < 1312761657 422591 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I worked it out. < 1312761663 958317 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/out/now/ < 1312762160 997865 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1312762220 339663 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm also not making any profit off of this, therefore fair use, so HA!" < 1312762230 675619 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfecIEHoYN0 < 1312762253 935200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that some sort of variant on "no copyright intended"? < 1312762322 815641 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to decide some of the symbols to use for various Haskell stuff by http://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-unicode-symbols but some seems missing or difficult a bit < 1312762350 160033 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as, there is no asterism symbol < 1312762362 910159 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although maybe I can try to fake it. < 1312762444 790071 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1312762586 942831 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1312762603 618690 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1312762619 70740 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-23-1.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1312762619 143161 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-23-1.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1312762619 143285 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1312763194 156048 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1312763278 198271 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312763303 848836 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1312763304 980801 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1312763350 32652 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1312763524 477700 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1312763741 512158 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1312763861 134874 :CakeProphet!~adam@h200.55.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312763861 206621 :CakeProphet!~adam@h200.55.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1312763861 206749 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1312764339 541069 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Sgeo < 1312764538 839844 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1312764705 4214 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312764931 969930 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1312765914 786249 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-92-26.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312765947 470487 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229128087.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1312766149 831151 :cheater__!~ubuntu@g229128013.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1312766745 574588 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should the _ of Haskell be typeset using mathematical symbols? < 1312766773 480081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I don't think I've seen the equivalent used in a mathematical paper < 1312766781 596682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it was quoting a Haskell-like language, in which case it used _ < 1312766797 557878 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zen bred tomato < 1312766930 542650 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think just using _ looks very good in a mathematical paper, or at least not as is. Also, what symbol should represent the $ operator in the printout? < 1312766963 168303 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You should probably just wrap the expression in parentheses if you're not going to use $ < 1312766986 888076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you should replace $ by parens, I think < 1312767029 286352 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can use a dollar sign on printout too, I guess; I should not make it change everything around it instead of typesetting the operator itself. < 1312767031 962531 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I suppose _ could be thought of as "all x", though it's really not that clear cur < 1312767034 853559 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cut < 1312767125 207204 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or define some meaningless variable and let people know ahead of time < 1312767217 868717 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should just use a rule box that touches or is slightly below the baseline, although the default underscore symbol is not so good for mathematics < 1312767259 895293 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Are you using lhs2tex? < 1312767266 143468 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1312767269 711703 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using Plain TeX. < 1312767305 920148 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently lhs2tex has some pretty useful modes of operation that might save you some trouble < 1312767328 826815 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, the formalism i came up with is essentially what conway called a collatz function. and he proved it TC by reduction - from fractran :P < 1312767333 872589 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To use this program the thing you have to do is simply to type at the top of the file: \input prettybird < 1312767351 617586 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now you can typeset Haskell program with TeX. < 1312767355 136681 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1312767552 638288 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways lhs2tex is both an external program and is using LaTeX rather than Plain TeX. < 1312767704 723570 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also lambdaTeX but it is not quite right either, it is using Helvetica fonts and PDF rather than Computer Modern, AMS, and DVI. < 1312767988 588484 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently I have no support for pragmas and Template Haskell, although I hope to add those things in the future. < 1312768031 372983 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38: you should replace $ by parens, I think <-- not all uses of $ can be replaced by parens. in particular ($ x) sections may not have any obvious replacement. < 1312768097 411401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (. x)? < 1312768107 41142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, wait, no < 1312768110 664964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ is more like space < 1312768124 124776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: clearly you should replace $ by that invisible function application character from Unicode < 1312768124 465806 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok there's one alternative: (`id` x) < 1312768138 702731 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i doubt that's an improvement :P < 1312768217 916105 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had the impression there was already a sort of convention for how to print haskell in papers, implemented with hs2tex (although zzo38 won't like it because it is latex) < 1312768246 143643 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think so because it is not Unicode and $ has different operator precedence so it should not be made invisible. For now I just made it use the dollar sign. < 1312769592 999149 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-92-26.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You could go culture-neutral and use the currency sign (U+00A4). < 1312769733 101522 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1312769766 401076 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or go in favor of our glorious Chinese overlords and use ¥. < 1312769851 119175 :micahjohnston!~micahjohn@ec2-174-129-205-205.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1312769865 721660 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1312769866 882910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the yen was a Japanese currency? < 1312769872 40539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and why is that not on compose Y =?) < 1312769909 720459 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's = Y. < 1312769929 491023 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ¥ is the symbol for both the JPY and the CNY. < 1312769952 169794 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312769958 960647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it has to be capital Y < 1312769969 458181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it can be done either way round < 1312769990 455869 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And makes sense for approximately the same reason. "Yuan" obviously can be shortened to "Y", and sticking = through it makes it look like other currency symbols. < 1312770015 689668 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1312770016 979740 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though "yen" *itself* makes no sense for the Japanese currency; it's "en" in Japanese. < 1312770042 130352 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312770139 132395 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1312770426 227336 :micahjohnston!~micahjohn@ec2-174-129-205-205.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1312770481 192167 :tyoc213!~tyoc213@201.103.239.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312770538 119428 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-92-26.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: It's a holdover from the old misguided Portuguese transliteration. < 1312770615 686794 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-92-26.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese /e/ used to be pronounced [je]. < 1312770671 709354 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: That that was probably also before grid-ordered Japanese alphabet is invented, I think? Is it? < 1312770789 293972 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can something similar to https://devlabs.linuxassist.net/projects/texnicard/wiki/Dangelo_Programming_Language be invented by making a preprocessor for Haskell that does some of these things? < 1312770830 578962 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-92-26.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, the old transliteration is 16th century. I don't know which collation (gojuon or iroha) is earlier. Probably iroha. < 1312770852 103382 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: Japanese /ye/ used to be a real phoneme, rather. < 1312770861 547165 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iroha is the old collation. < 1312770875 701481 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iroha is the only reason japanese doesn't suck < 1312770880 455266 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: I think yes it is iroha is the old order, now it is usually grid order being used. < 1312770905 515490 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1312770906 572995 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no longer usable, due to both containing morae that don't exist and missing morae that now do exist. < 1312770939 503054 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow you guys are pretty smart < 1312770939 692793 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-92-26.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, /we/ and /e/ were both [je], but it's always been dialectic. < 1312770950 112590 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But must have someone added the new ones into iroha order in case you want to use that one? < 1312770967 777495 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-92-26.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smart, maybe, but also resourceful when it comes to searching to back up hunches. < 1312770973 161596 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No. "Iroha order" is actually a poem. < 1312770986 422605 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-92-26.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Like the origin of solfege. < 1312770990 617792 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may well be the only one present who doesn't know the word iroha < 1312770990 956817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a poem that's used to order the alphabet < 1312771002 549960 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Iroha" being the first three morae of the poem. < 1312771009 561515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: I didn't know the word, but I knew what it was referring it to, so I figured out the meaning of the word from context < 1312771010 735103 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then can you make a modified version of the poem? < 1312771018 593003 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1312771021 201560 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the name of the poem. < 1312771042 595216 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It'd require translation. < 1312771057 936178 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it use many words that no longer exist? < 1312771076 480340 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-92-26.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but sound changes have happened in the intervening years. < 1312771079 305872 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather, it uses a radically different orthography. < 1312771116 204898 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When "kyō" (kiȳô) was written "kefu" (kehu). < 1312771139 211643 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1312771155 670591 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that is why grid order is used now, since it is more logical and does not require any poem to be made up, and that you can easily see how to fit everything into the grid < 1312771170 177767 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also completely omits voicing marks (which were inferred from context) < 1312771187 607814 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, ... < 1312771223 399579 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, then how do you use iroha with voiced mora? < 1312771241 723819 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Iroha" only orders the basic kana, sans "n". < 1312771259 210466 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which was not distinct from "mu" at the time) < 1312771282 448101 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, "you don't". < 1312771365 307424 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1312771387 615986 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to include voice in the order, you can use Unicode order or "almost Unicode order" (both are basically like grid order). < 1312771461 751819 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Almost Unicode order moves the characters added to later versions into the places where they would belong if they were all added in the first version of Japanese character encoding (whether Unicode or not)) < 1312771505 565220 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The later characters only exist for the sake if Ainu. < 1312771509 907198 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually I just invented that now. I don't know about other thing) < 1312771524 836570 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And only in katakana. < 1312771526 706681 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/if/of/ < 1312771585 485118 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually MS Gothic includes the letters named "VU", "SMALL KA", and "SMALL KE", all are at the end. < 1312771673 516557 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what I mean; I don't mean Ainu. Although if you did use the Ainu characters as well, then you would move those too. < 1312771769 548602 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think those wouldn't really be in the collation... < 1312771786 299584 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever seen xka or xke in use at all. < 1312771795 594910 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ù only rarely. < 1312771824 147576 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : i may well be the only one present who doesn't know the word iroha <-- no. < 1312771832 929220 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be a bit like collating ſ. < 1312772031 113375 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose if you want to you can also order "ka" equal to "ga" (which, as far as I know, should work in both grid order and in iroha order). But then you would still need a tiebreaker < 1312772036 338025 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1312772058 347825 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the most common way in Japanese? < 1312772063 333199 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1312772131 725990 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voicing as tiebreaker. < 1312772161 108383 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or collate via radicals, for kanji-only collation. < 1312772167 735974 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. in a kanji dictionary) < 1312772192 253058 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode order just orders "ga" directly after "ka" which can work. You can also do this with almost Unicode order if you prefer. < 1312772290 719864 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeXnicard's collation algorithm allows some level of customizability, and is sophisticated enough to order roman numerals from I to XXXIX but it cannot do everything. (But you could add a separate collation field if you needed to) < 1312772315 895953 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One limitation is it only supports alphabets up to 64 letters < 1312772355 627686 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 isnt a lot < 1312772374 948470 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-92-26.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be interested to read literature on why Unicode uses fully composed characters rather than radical-based composition. < 1312772390 805503 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-92-26.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd make the CJK section so much neater. < 1312772394 417488 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-92-26.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And allow for new characters. < 1312772433 977468 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-92-26.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they didn't want to deal with specifying a hanzi/kanji/hanja layout algorithm. :P < 1312772441 471177 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know. Although you could use double cell encoding to overcome this limit, and then use ligatures or whatever else to do printout, and exporting, as well as converting single to double when doing input. < 1312772465 191077 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm .. does 64 include uppercase? < 1312772472 19035 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in abcABC? < 1312772489 70482 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hussie, Phantom_Hoover update < 1312772506 815212 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Uppercase are considered equal to lowercase, with the exception that lowercase are not considered when collating roman numerals. < 1312772515 870424 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I'm flattered by his interest. < 1312772516 119889 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1312772517 498195 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1312772539 838146 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1312772540 959999 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1312772597 966870 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1312772605 944592 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are simply the conventions of Plain TeXnicard; if you override it, you can make it not consider anything for roman numerals, or treat punctuation as letters, or whatever you want. < 1312772695 209542 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And you are not even required to use Plain TeXnicard; you can also write your own metatemplate, although Plain TeXnicard does set up a lot of the things that primitive TeXnicard does not have, and that includes even such things as function composition.) < 1312772789 86648 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is the Plain TeXnicard metatemplate file: http://repo.or.cz/w/TeXnicard.git/blob_plain/HEAD:/system/plain.cards < 1312773045 881880 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also includes the stuff for numbers to words, plurals, table operations, string operations, function composition, delayed execution, and more. It is currently incomplete. < 1312773166 212969 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1312773406 675710 :mustelo!~james@c-71-202-182-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PART #esoteric :"Ex-Chat" < 1312773431 382300 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312774725 612922 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should https://devlabs.linuxassist.net/projects/texnicard/wiki/Dangelo_Programming_Language be done: * A preprocessor to Haskell * An entirely new programming language * Something in between * Other (please specify) < 1312775087 268927 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You could discuss in the wiki as subitems of the corresponding items, or in IRC) < 1312775425 345562 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-92-26.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a clue. Needs more information. < 1312775547 739699 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What more information? Please write the request for mandatory more information < 1312775581 266878 :micahjohnston!~micahjohn@ec2-174-129-205-205.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312775662 495655 :nisstyre_!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1312775713 342271 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1312775745 445170 :nisstyre_!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info NICK :Nisstyre < 1312776091 485685 :tyoc213!~tyoc213@201.103.239.38 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1312776162 895187 :micahjohnston!~micahjohn@ec2-174-129-205-205.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1312776609 991032 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2011-August/094464.html and wonders why the _hell_ there is still software in 2011 which is susceptible to the mailbox "From " bug
< 1312776643 273067 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess that list page may simply be that old... < 1312776659 71706 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mailbox "From " bug? < 1312776705 606483 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that message was cut off. evidence from other times this has happened is that it's because the next line starts with "From " which in certain mailbox formats signifies a new message < 1312777001 202241 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably it would be better to do something such as using the ASCII "file separator" control character? < 1312777015 906488 :variable!~thing@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1312777028 757124 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i'm sure there are lots of more modern mail formats < 1312777100 242870 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-33-19.resnet.ucsb.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1312777112 391192 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just sign everything and differentiate emails by the ends of the signature blocks~ < 1312777162 909091 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um the problem isn't that the problem is hard to solve, it's that it's still unsolved in whatever generates that webpage < 1312777210 926804 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That won't work. < 1312777220 101147 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence the (~) < 1312777226 602120 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For SMTP messages, just a line with . by itself will work. < 1312777234 11255 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: UNKNOWN MODIFIER < 1312777239 183547 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it might not necessarily be SMTP < 1312777285 102273 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...which presumably means they'll have the same problem if someone makes a message with such a line in it < 1312777285 653395 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let ~ = sarcasm in everyFuckingThingISay < 1312777323 405311 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: INSUFFICIENTLY DISTINGUISHABLE FROM SCREEN DUST < 1312777369 445475 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: △ < 1312777501 749369 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :insufficiently distinguishable from blank space in my putty font < 1312777530 186585 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your putty font sucks < 1312777536 817123 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use DejaVu Sans Mono < 1312777561 747192 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr i tried that and it was worse < 1312777595 678402 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impossible < 1312777597 785700 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also < 1312777598 918880 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :△ < 1312777598 991883 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHITE UP-POINTING TRIANGLE < 1312777599 93038 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode: U+25B3, UTF-8: E2 96 B3 < 1312777693 975622 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it does show in dejavu < 1312777701 154558 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :△ < 1312777701 942908 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Told you < 1312777713 219273 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that the font _looks_ so horrendous i cannot bear it < 1312777719 745050 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1312777723 865154 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's better than Inconsolata < 1312777730 404451 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :▲ < 1312777781 47230 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's so bad about it? < 1312777786 126421 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not better than courier new < 1312777797 730847 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i told you, it looks horrendous < 1312777813 623153 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Courier New is for people who type screenplays at Starbucks < 1312777838 660739 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :💩 < 1312777838 827655 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PILE OF POO < 1312777838 899467 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode: U+1F4A9 (U+D83D U+DCA9), UTF-8: F0 9F 92 A9 < 1312777849 595621 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emoji < 1312777886 532935 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is this a thing < 1312777899 586769 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now why putty shows unknown characters as blank space, the least useful representation imaginable, i don't know < 1312777900 10003 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea < 1312777968 122902 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that seems to be the case for dejavu as well, it shows nothing for your pile < 1312777982 383785 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think they only place they even exist is on OS X < 1312777985 919946 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And only in Lion < 1312778002 611954 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And probabaly Japan < 1312778007 264340 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everywhere < 1312778011 818604 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoji < 1312778066 189212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I get /two/ unknown character squares for NihilistDandy's pile of poo < 1312778083 608881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think Konversation (and thus Qt) is misreading the encoding for the astral plane character < 1312778151 501738 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer does not show unknown characters as blank space on PuTTY. Probably it is due to the font < 1312778183 52732 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why on earth is everyone using putty? o.O < 1312778237 38077 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how else would i connect from windows to my ancient linux shell account < 1312778265 268903 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installing a new OS?~ < 1312778268 221007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PuTTY is one of the most competent terminal/telnet/ssh systems on Windows < 1312778274 778769 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when i got it, it was not linux, but a VAX) < 1312778286 493884 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that is true, about puTTY < 1312778287 587356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works just fine on Linux too; there's just less of a reason to use it < 1312778289 682921 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*P < 1312778421 234411 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my case I am connecting to an IRC client running on my own computer by using PuTTY. < 1312778498 656769 :variable!~thing@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1312779084 967907 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-33-19.resnet.ucsb.edu QUIT :Quit: bye < 1312779108 171474 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-33-19.resnet.ucsb.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1312779791 550260 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1312780397 338239 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1312780831 983330 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1312780984 496767 :invariable!~thing@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1312781109 640296 :variable!~thing@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1312781119 255653 :invariable!~thing@unaffiliated/variable NICK :variable < 1312781261 927912 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1312781281 389073 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE http://www.formspring.me/mspadventures/q/224752048803967489 < 1312782007 462805 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-92-26.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1312783195 972572 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-33-19.resnet.ucsb.edu QUIT :Quit: bye < 1312784872 73243 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1312785312 11506 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1312785567 202434 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1312785607 149873 :jcp|1!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1312786011 621724 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312786316 480568 :javawizard!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312789155 677300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The following is an example of a program in a hypothetical BASIC dialect with "COMEFROM" instead of "GOTO". An actual example in INTERCAL would be too difficult to read. < 1312789189 291292 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's write an example then~ < 1312789263 739864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I always thought the sarcasm mark was meant to come after a full stop < 1312789266 275860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than replace it < 1312789272 203937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it became .~ in full < 1312789287 957285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if SARCASM MARK will ever be added to Unicode
< 1312789391 187763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, double-comefrom creates a new process in Perl as well as INTERCAL < 1312789445 360152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it finds comefroms by regexing the code, which is beautiful < 1312790314 499605 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1312790320 203747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1312791254 831252 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1312792887 458177 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1312793704 69731 :variable!~thing@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1312794384 674055 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1312795810 316030 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :#8 0x00000000 in ?? () < 1312795810 427435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gdb) up < 1312795810 500177 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :#9 0xf71ae233 in __libc_start_main () from /usr/lib32/libc.so.6 < 1312795812 167328 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the fup < 1312795815 408182 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck* < 1312795831 834195 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can 0x00000000 be #8? < 1312795868 519855 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :full weird backtrace: http://sprunge.us/GNHA < 1312795899 336783 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's reconstructed from the stack; if you get it mangled, it can be anything. < 1312795917 331133 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1312795936 108401 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so useless for figuring out this crash < 1312795948 575260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even have the source to the thing, it from the humble indie bundle < 1312795975 218964 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one of them? < 1312796064 553188 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tail end of the stack trace can be pretty weird anyways. If I gdb /bin/echo and break at _start, it's < 1312796065 244301 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#0 0x00007ffff7ddcaf0 in _start () from /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 < 1312796065 493585 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1 0x0000000000000001 in ?? () < 1312796065 566166 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#2 0x00007fffffffe99f in ?? () < 1312796065 566312 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#3 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () < 1312796084 412557 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 0x00..01 is a bit weird place too. < 1312796102 197786 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1312796662 300793 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-87-158.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312796664 47384 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-87-158.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1312797157 724758 :jcp|other!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312797232 653194 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1312797257 50814 :javawizard!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1312797357 948984 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312798062 54578 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-87-158.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1312798886 832080 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1312799744 388064 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-78-79.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312799793 565127 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-78-79.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anyone tell me how to convert a string such as "1.2" to a float in Python? < 1312800132 890342 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-78-79.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or JavaScript. JavaScript is good too < 1312800374 148533 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :float("1.2") in Python. < 1312800421 818299 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :parseFloat("1.2") in JavaScript. < 1312800700 684990 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1312800730 680209 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-78-79.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1312803620 635163 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1312803917 224081 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-78-79.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I may have just implemented Numberwang. < 1312804086 10867 :jcp|other!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1312804103 363505 :jcp|other!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312804164 619432 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1312804182 65808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1312804318 192067 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312804460 813388 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312804474 73627 :jcp|other!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1312804521 523973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:59:23: I also have a Japanese keyboard so my backspace is smaller < 1312804522 441969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topre? < 1312804539 763947 :jcp|other!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312804541 863221 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filco < 1312804543 241024 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-78-79.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I broke Python's maximum recursion depth < 1312804569 851424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: So I discovered lines later :-P < 1312804572 505643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: That's trivial to do < 1312804579 685357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just increase it until Python segfaults < 1312804593 184152 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the exact one I linked, but the key layout is the same < 1312804595 455907 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-78-79.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant I reached it. < 1312804599 314731 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-78-79.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I increase it? < 1312804602 984877 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-78-79.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even remove it? < 1312804603 565752 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1312804633 1397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: sys.setrecursionlimit < 1312804642 848025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you really can segfault python by putting it too high, though < 1312804645 42965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try a manual stack < 1312804680 481735 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-15.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1312804685 730658 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-78-79.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Numberwang implementation < 1312804695 132572 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-78-79.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything but recursion is very tricky < 1312804712 829156 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-15.elisa.ee QUIT :Client Quit < 1312804745 984572 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-15.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1312804751 864955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:27:22: zzo38: oh. yes it is possible to download lambdabot, and i think even to use it from inside ghci. but i've not tried it myself, and istr people complaining that it is awkward sometime in the past < 1312804763 271192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, GOA has been started to be maintained again recently < 1312804766 586526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you may be in luck < 1312804769 196220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's on hackage < 1312804827 947235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:58:09: I use the equal sign for the Haskell == instead since that is the one testing equality, so == print out using the equal sign. < 1312804835 619565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest you use \equiv for (==) instead < 1312804837 576176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and = for = < 1312804898 568495 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I had a dream last night when I ate my t, r and h keys. < 1312804914 47733 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then I was typing and I was like "oh no!" < 1312804918 169753 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312804927 909852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:47:11: zzo38: you should replace $ by parens, I think <-- not all uses of $ can be replaced by parens. in particular ($ x) sections may not have any obvious replacement. < 1312804930 803416 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I realised that eating my keys was a stupid thing to do so it must have been a dream. < 1312804937 304024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only that but _dollar sign is not always equivalent to parens_ < 1312804944 410640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :under presence of extensions < 1312804945 329170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rank-n types) < 1312805059 25079 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Don't you mean "o no!"? < 1312805064 798051 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-78-79.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit. Python won't let me set the recursion limit to "Bloody high" < 1312805087 48887 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no, I don't type when I think, silly. < 1312805095 93562 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, consider using a good language. < 1312805102 289323 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But how can you THINK an 'h' without the key? < 1312805113 935577 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I mean, TINK. < 1312805126 907927 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I still had the key, it was just in my stomach. < 1312805135 7966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: use a manual stack < 1312805158 591207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:10:09: * oerjan looks at http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2011-August/094464.html and wonders why the _hell_ there is still software in 2011 which is susceptible to the mailbox "From " bug < 1312805158 759153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see no obvious problem with the page? < 1312805185 43860 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mailbox "From" bug? < 1312805198 102148 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-78-79.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can a manual stack work with non-tail end recursion < 1312805200 9103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: google mbox < 1312805223 50401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, is the problem that the mail is truncated? < 1312805230 679035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, oerjan says so two lines later < 1312805234 802742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :three actually < 1312805241 539498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:11:45: Sgeo: that message was cut off. evidence from other times this has happened is that it's because the next line starts with "From " which in certain mailbox formats signifies a new message < 1312805253 831181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it is usually the mail sender's obligation to include the > or space or . before "From" < 1312805260 661018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess many clients don't now < 1312805269 436117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anything naive that archives it in mbox... < 1312805276 114137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine mailman is naive in this sense :P < 1312805323 610256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:33:02: oerjan: I think they only place they even exist is on OS X < 1312805323 897984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:33:05: And only in Lion < 1312805323 969709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:33:22: And probabaly Japan < 1312805323 969789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:33:27: Everywhere < 1312805323 969835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:33:31: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoji < 1312805331 872161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: um no, emoji are an official part of Unicode. < 1312805337 689575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and supported by many devices < 1312805359 865286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that OS X is the only desktop-computer-or-laptop operating system that ships with fonts containing emoji characters, though < 1312805369 531953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:34:43: so I think Konversation (and thus Qt) is misreading the encoding for the astral plane character < 1312805369 801761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE only supports BMP < 1312805371 584475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because KDE sucks < 1312805377 927865 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean someone let Lymee at the Unicode spec? < 1312805387 805756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what < 1312805397 968607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah, gmail also has emoji < 1312805759 567776 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exist as in "actually sahow up in the system's Unicode tables" < 1312805763 974234 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*show < 1312805809 154441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define system's Unicode tables < 1312805821 130514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything supporting a recent enough Unicode will know the names of the emoji characters < 1312805843 135577 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1312805857 848989 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to go get a brain scan in a half hour < 1312805868 900087 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have time for this :P < 1312805914 13863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not being obstinate, I have no clue how you think Apple are giving emoji special support beyond adding a category for them in the character map, and shipping an appropriate font < 1312806061 839049 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"shipping an appropriate font" probabaly encapsulates the idea best < 1312806069 592527 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*probably < 1312806090 129530 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that it is the only sensible way of thinking about it < 1312806151 422870 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, I'm off < 1312806228 896033 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1312806344 285584 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1312806372 224840 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1312807353 875599 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-78-79.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this program is outputting an endless stream of "iiiiiit's NUMBERWANG!" < 1312807375 83116 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-78-79.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND it just crashe < 1312807375 784081 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-78-79.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1312807458 39541 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-78-79.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think as Numberwang stands it's a push-down automaton. < 1312807462 558068 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-78-79.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not even that. < 1312807469 937793 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-78-79.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gonna change the spec < 1312808301 839339 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312810360 245610 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-89.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1312811761 689365 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-15.elisa.ee QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1312811888 707888 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-23.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1312812439 829285 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-23.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1312812542 353370 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-43.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1312813008 838236 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-43.elisa.ee QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1312813048 740361 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312813138 678638 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-49.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1312813163 781868 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1312813922 854203 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-49.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1312814558 575903 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Funciton this is a beautiful language < 1312814599 386279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes; if only the author didn't want to take over our wiki :) < 1312814604 806967 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :he does? < 1312814634 620890 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :let him, if he makes beautiful languages like Funciton :D < 1312814648 771554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he tried to become an admin while repeatedly demonstrating lack of understanding of MediaWiki (he wanted to make us a new skin, but didn't seem to actually know how that was done), and then when Graue didn't reply to his email told us we should take control of the domain and move the wiki to something under his control < 1312814656 467203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of Graue's horrible injustness < 1312814663 594175 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1312814665 243449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cue silence until he went away < 1312814677 596083 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1312814701 604899 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the diagrams look broken < 1312814714 750503 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you on a unicode browser? < 1312814717 436427 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :they work fine on chrome < 1312814723 269116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats a unicode browser < 1312814729 881346 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not Lynx < 1312814732 827555 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a browser in which unicode is properly displayed < 1312814748 805191 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the diagrams look broken though < 1312814812 163525 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are they supposed to look broken? < 1312814875 327033 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're meant to look like boxes and lines < 1312814882 321826 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't see boxes and lines then your browser sucks & dead < 1312814884 21771 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or font) < 1312814911 912625 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do look like lines and boxes, but in a non-fixed-width font < 1312814940 736134 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah < 1312814944 48686 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :font sucks & dead < 1312814962 958119 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i choose to blaim the programming language < 1312814967 403231 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*blame < 1312814985 213793 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1312815033 10095 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1312815251 617311 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1312816216 112147 :variable!~thing@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1312816757 321039 :variable!~thing@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1312817999 60241 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312818045 789098 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1312818077 340981 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1312818441 949011 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312819089 937111 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1312819837 262122 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1312819915 791162 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1312819928 209465 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-4-52.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312819995 387102 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@d83-183-228-76.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1312819997 852888 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@d83-183-228-76.cust.tele2.se QUIT :Changing host < 1312819997 925588 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1312820437 555840 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1312820888 897537 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1312821269 596656 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-78-79.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1312822048 349130 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-27.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1312822332 24895 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-27.elisa.ee QUIT :Client Quit < 1312822474 657002 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-60.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1312822627 931469 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest we s/liquidity/fluidity in the topic. < 1312822633 962222 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tries that again < 1312822636 353309 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest we s/liquidity/fluidity/ in the topic. < 1312822639 133364 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1312822736 772515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You do it :P < 1312822751 545233 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Don't enjoy unlocking the matrix of fluidity, please. | wget -s 42 redpill | man mouth | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1312823215 749728 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-60.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1312824255 334 :atome!~quassel@78.250.215.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312824267 353588 :atome!~quassel@78.250.215.62 QUIT :Client Quit < 1312824435 307652 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-43.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1312824745 32829 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-43.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1312825152 682294 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think LLVM also includes an example program for compiling Brainfuck codes into LLVM codes < 1312825607 257239 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but it's not exactly any good. < 1312825629 451998 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't give LLVM enough information to do anything *useful*. < 1312825692 294373 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But possibly a better one can be written, that checks some stuff at first before sending to LLVM, to allow more information to be sent < 1312825851 236133 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd imagine the biggest win would be eliminating as many pointer movements as possible. < 1312825903 137531 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would allow LLVM to do meaningful optimisation. < 1312826049 592272 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-57.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1312826348 921931 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dow Jones is down another 450 so far... < 1312826383 766210 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah, the sound of the world going up in flames. < 1312826434 55454 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can there be a LLVM transform pass that is used for eliminating pointer movements? < 1312826466 438276 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably, but it's only really useful *for Brainfuck*. Nothing else really does that. < 1312826499 367258 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not so much that it's impossible as it is a heavily language-specific optimisation. < 1312826501 704267 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1312826661 511044 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Aaaah, the sound of the world going up in flames. < 1312826663 316545 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what? < 1312826674 443106 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a stock market crash? < 1312826679 628169 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are you just being sensationalist. < 1312826715 83600 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ongoing one. < 1312826758 798908 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The past week or so the markets have been going down 3 to 5% each day. < 1312826804 408492 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/r/worldnews says nothing, and you and Reddit share a lot of common ground. < 1312826892 82630 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATM the DJI is at 11,000, lowest it's been for a couple years now. < 1312826940 143489 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312826952 286203 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know... "/r/Worldnews is for major news from around the world except US-related news (especially US politics)" < 1312826985 579284 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :news.google.com top story "US Stocks Tumble as Rating Downgrade Sparks Concern" + see all 5060 sources. < 1312827065 909451 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, huh. < 1312827068 17694 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair dos. < 1312828042 598572 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-224.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312829761 53814 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1312830274 777758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312830974 551760 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1312831339 274599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Are you... up for that. < 1312831344 84915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That being the DF fort. < 1312831348 497471 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I up for oh < 1312831357 792866 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot to do the introduction thing < 1312831358 720424 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1312831359 635465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, it is going to be my year pretty much soon. < 1312831435 129266 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting dwarf fortresse < 1312831464 371540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I'm... not having an extreme feeling of confidence about handing the fort over to you. < 1312831469 689630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's saying something because I'm terrible. < 1312831476 425862 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :8) < 1312831491 874552 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not have any confidence at all about handling the fort < 1312831502 758586 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-224.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes it more Fun, elliott < 1312831507 465124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Do you even want the fort. < 1312831516 159211 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure < 1312831517 89428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Succession fortresses... generally try and avoid Fun. < 1312831528 659744 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might want to find out if i like dwarf fortresse first < 1312831530 435351 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no they don't. < 1312831545 90544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: They avoid complete and utter Fun on only the fourth person. < 1312831547 677882 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just make sure it won't be boring when it happens. < 1312831573 667851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You'll probably want to set a lot of time aside to do it, since you have to complete a year in, like, no more than a week before we'll all get impatient. :p < 1312831605 106108 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I'll skip my turn for now at least < 1312831631 748529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we should just loop back to Taneb? < 1312831651 131785 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to Lymee < 1312831682 722800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: About ten big holes in our Minecraft base happened to Lymee. < 1312831725 535537 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-224.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh Jeremy Paxman < 1312832182 381656 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1312832297 233624 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-89.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312832419 75902 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:38:43 not only that but _dollar sign is not always equivalent to parens_ < 1312832422 418249 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:38:50 under presence of extensions < 1312832424 833372 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:38:51 (rank-n types) < 1312832439 166286 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my impression was that turning $ to parentheses usually makes it type _better_, though < 1312832449 202879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but this is for a pretty-printer... < 1312832460 134382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine trying to write an article on the pitfalls of $ < 1312832466 481389 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :P < 1312832469 986596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and not to mention that you can of course rebind ($). < 1312832479 756474 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ($) < 1312832480 591206 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (a -> b) -> a -> b < 1312832520 844313 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rank-2 types ruin everything. < 1312832538 43672 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> runST (return True) < 1312832538 627407 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if there's some caleskellish generalization you could do to $ < 1312832539 212445 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1312832540 698389 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> id runST (return True) < 1312832541 803414 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `m GHC.Bool.Bool' < 1312832541 970431 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred typ... < 1312832546 585173 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = id runST in x (return True) < 1312832547 712300 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1312832560 852923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1312832568 150904 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1312832583 826642 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ($) runST (return True) < 1312832584 876621 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1312832588 664573 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the pointer movement optimization can be used in some cases for some parts of some C programs, too, I think. < 1312832590 599660 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1312832615 61541 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ is also not equivalent to parentheses on the type level. < 1312832621 540928 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately you can say type a :$ b = a b < 1312832625 773768 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is rank-2 types? < 1312832642 796015 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Battle-hardened types that have been promoted. < 1312832665 406160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1312832709 305050 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in general? < 1312832721 522803 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: types for functions that take arguments that can be used with more than one type < 1312832757 23829 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if those functions themselves are rank-2 < 1312832761 831458 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the outer one is rank-3 and so on < 1312832783 837556 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up to RANK OMEGA. < 1312832792 659299 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs sleep.
< 1312832805 428941 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: How the hell do Ruby programmers deal with that syntax < 1312832806 991237 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1312832809 550494 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: What about "in general"? < 1312832818 787802 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohm nothing < 1312832823 875557 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :-m < 1312832842 547353 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let g h = (h 'a', h True); g :: Functor f => (forall t. t -> f t) -> (f Char, f Bool) in (g (:[]), g Just) < 1312832843 405047 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (("a",[True]),(Just 'a',Just True)) < 1312832851 539921 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cackles evilly
< 1312832911 256054 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any kind of auto-unbox mode that can be used with GHC? < 1312832988 211400 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, auto-unbox? < 1312833035 175577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: GHC tries to be smart about unboxing. < 1312833131 340416 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, so the auto-unbox mode is just -O2 :) < 1312833135 330712 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!egobot {-# LANGUAGE UnboxStrictFields #-} main = print "Was this the name?" < 1312833142 693425 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1312833147 804094 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell {-# LANGUAGE UnboxStrictFields #-} main = print "Was this the name?" < 1312833152 260002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-funbox-strict-fields, it seems < 1312833154 459018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you want OPTIONS_GHC < 1312833154 984030 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp/input.17681.hs:1:13: unsupported extension: UnboxStrictFields < 1312833165 241156 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes you need to poke and prod GHC to show it the way though < 1312833170 282731 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, no LANGUAGE? i guess it has no semantic effect < 1312833281 19558 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: So, -O2 does that. Does that include such things as enumerations? < 1312833283 468613 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there's also some UNPACK pragma, is there not. but both those are about unboxing in data types < 1312833284 633168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably pragmas with no semantic effect potentially have sandbox-security bugs, and give no benefit < 1312833293 111954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: enumerations won't be boxed anyway < 1312833311 176896 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK. I didn't know that at first, but now I know. < 1312833312 764410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: UNPACK pragma has no semantic effect < 1312833427 331843 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, like, can it replace Int with Int# automatically wherever it is possible without damaging anything or resulting in an invalid program? As well as things such as considering "data" commands. < 1312833506 716392 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing, is there any option to tell it to use 8-bit Char instead of unicode? < 1312833524 384458 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, I broke Python's maximum recursion depth < 1312833531 242844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: see Word8 in Data.Word < 1312833543 458857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I mean, like, can it replace Int with Int# automatically wherever it is possible without damaging anything or resulting in an invalid program?" <-- GHC tries to do this < 1312833545 191166 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if this is for numberwang, i suspect you are either doing it wrong, or it would have broken anyway < 1312833546 644797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as good as a human of course :) < 1312833579 775830 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Enumerations don't count as single-constructor types as far as GHC is concerned, so they don't benefit from unpacking when used as strict constructor fields, or strict function arguments. This is a deficiency in GHC, but it can be worked around." < 1312833595 633465 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: python's maximum recursion depth is probably 3 or something, to discourage using functions and other fancy stuff < 1312833616 558654 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the latter if you had an infinite recursion of 3 commands) < 1312833624 306487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh, well right, I thought you meant enumeration values themselves < 1312833636 858314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah you can just do that yourself :-P < 1312833659 218666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Foo = Foo ... {-# UNPACK #-} !SomeEnum ... < 1312833730 991072 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Well, yeah, can't have programmers daring to abstract things. < 1312833740 51473 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um if ghc thinks enumerations are the same as a general data type, it shouldn't be able to do UNPACK either... < 1312833775 191379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm right < 1312833779 201838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah that sucks a bit < 1312833780 103178 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it allocate the maximum size for it? < 1312833787 916055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just use an unboxed int though :P < 1312833789 928896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: dunno < 1312833802 310751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, surely you can unpack multiple-constructor data types < 1312833806 576053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, even Integer is that < 1312833846 92320 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1312833852 907548 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose one way you can do it is if you have C preprocessor macros < 1312833864 921281 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually there's no f way you can unpack integer < 1312833869 413445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: erm right < 1312833872 419270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1312833879 921436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides to ask #ghc
< 1312833952 181565 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it could manage to unpack only the small integer case < 1312834006 555451 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Integer < 1312834006 949246 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Integer = S# Int# < 1312834007 115906 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : | J# Int# ByteArray# < 1312834014 167212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: < 1312834014 498532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can data types with more than constructor be {-# UNPACK #-}'d? < 1312834014 665582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Probably not < 1312834029 17809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm Integer _could_ be unpacked then < 1312834036 852572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the ByteArray# consists of e.g. (length, pointer) < 1312834037 351487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1312834038 463420 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :remarkable reading comprehension, that nominolo < 1312834045 501021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that Int# is probably size < 1312834047 159385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ? < 1312834059 990807 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "more than constructor" < 1312834068 989529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1312834146 392253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I would like to introduce you to a very general algorithm that I like to call the Gauss-Jordan-Floyd-Warshall-McNaughton-Yamada algorithm. With this simple algorithm (an algorithm whose implementation is not very much longer than its name)" < 1312834261 847616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, GHC does not complain when you do it. data T = T {-# UNPACK #-} !Int | S {-# UNPACK #-} !Int compiles without complaint. looking at core... < 1312834287 683727 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: less reading comprehension < 1312834294 447805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : thoughtpolice: it will unpack the Ints. But you can't do data Foo = Foo {-# UNPACK #-} !T | Bar ... < 1312834297 719855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right :P < 1312834339 490606 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you tell GHC to make only a LLVM code output? < 1312834374 256883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/users_guide/separate-compilation.html; see -keep-llvm-files < 1312834384 213580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : "I would like to introduce you to [...]" <-- where is that from? :D < 1312834390 808439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://r6.ca/blog/20110808T035622Z.html < 1312834396 625276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Not sure how to turn off generating executables entirely, but < 1312834451 901083 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: googling would've told you btw < 1312834461 779586 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, probably < 1312834482 327234 :variable!~thing@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1312834561 907223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : What would you expect this to be unpacked to? Note that A and B in this case will be static pointers. < 1312834562 38563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, obviously a T could be represented by an Int# or similar, but yeah < 1312834562 121176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : GHC can only unpack into Words not bits, so you can't turn Foo !T !T into a bitset. < 1312834562 193586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : So, Foo !T !T already is represented (almost) the same way as Foo Int# Int# < 1312834567 461052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so enumerations _are_ unboxed < 1312834569 541177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all practical purposes < 1312834575 549170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're still pointers, but they're static < 1312834583 303671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's just that A and B don't map to 0 and 1, but to 0x342421000 and 0x349024092 or so < 1312834614 246221 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-73-170-157.dsl.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312834614 318547 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-73-170-157.dsl.telstraclear.net QUIT :Changing host < 1312834614 318770 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1312834654 892902 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Don't enjoy unlocking the matrix of fluoride, please. | wget -s 42 redpill | man mouth | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1312834691 591151 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find this change has a certain purity of essence < 1312834719 690260 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :matrix of fluoridity < 1312834767 681362 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-57.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: nite on earth < 1312835612 703167 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, put fluoride if you want to put that instead < 1312836386 810342 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Phantom_Hoover update Hussie < 1312836402 841340 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-224.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1312836418 554169 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's update? < 1312836442 308980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie's. < 1312836516 648088 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When compiling the Haskell program to LLVM codes, it looks like generating a lot of complicated stuff even for a short program, and with a higher -O number it makes larger LLVM file < 1312837132 572227 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The program does not have a main function, I don't know if this has to do something with it too) < 1312837354 348015 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-4-52.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1312837439 248261 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL GCC follows Greenspun's Tenth Rule. < 1312837458 186718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: which one is that? the one about reading mail? < 1312837466 293806 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, about containing a Lisp. < 1312837469 167987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1312837480 923429 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case, *in its build system*. < 1312837506 957058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly, we should implement a mailreader as an llvm plugin < 1312837532 950372 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVMail < 1312837536 88243 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : In this case, *in its build system*. <-- what function does it fill < 1312837550 181883 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Tee hee, "function" < 1312837563 498933 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, pun not intended < 1312837567 831443 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Generating a giant table of details about every CPU type for an architecture. < 1312837572 249047 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know the -march= stuff? < 1312837575 925768 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, ah < 1312837586 70675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, done before tarballs? < 1312837603 702810 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After. < 1312837618 873772 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, so where is the interpreter? < 1312837626 514175 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the source. < 1312837633 481461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, oh, which one did they use < 1312837640 599620 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The reversed question mark (U+2E2E, ⸮) has been proposed to be used to "indicate that a sentence should be understood at a second level (e.g. irony, sarcasm, etc.)." < 1312837649 496612 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An ad hoc, informally-specified, bug-ridden, slow one. < 1312837654 558398 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION listens to a bizzare song
< 1312837654 891961 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, heh < 1312837664 337219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: good to know < 1312837666 875270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's hardly commonly used < 1312837674 189408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder why⸮ < 1312837691 615698 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, proposed by who, to whom? < 1312837728 637434 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's from an older "percontation point ( ؟ )" notation used to denote rhetorical questions, "invented by Henry Denham in the 1580s -- its use died out in the 17th century". < 1312837739 600989 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1312837777 819917 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The sarcasm/irony variant was "proposed by the French poet Alcanter de Brahm (alias Marcel Bernhardt) at the end of the 19th century"; doesn't quite seem to have caught on -- this was all from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony_punctuation < 1312837792 187368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like rain on your wedding day⸮ < 1312837814 28275 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's next to the interrobang in the "uncommon typography" section of the punctuation template, that's how I happened to come across it. < 1312837847 467605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, compose works on ‽ even if it doesn't really work on a whole load of other things I'd expect it to work on < 1312837857 398023 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the page lists a "doubt point", a "certitude point", an "acclamation point", an "authority point", an "indignation point" and a "love point" punctuation mark too. < 1312837869 81766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I recommend creating your own compose file < 1312837874 695574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can derive one from the original, it has an include statement < 1312837877 961370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they can go in your home directory < 1312837879 503332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think I should < 1312837881 271069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not right now < 1312837884 277577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :requires restarting the X server to check changes, though < 1312837893 249271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I'd start one from scratch though, the defaults suck really badly < 1312837927 543406 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: I recommend creating your own compose file <-- iirc gtk by default ignores it < 1312837932 895512 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=2016 <-- the mouseover text for this comic = greatest ever < 1312837937 118547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to change input method < 1312837957 744320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, I introduced the compose key via Gnome's keyboard preferences dialog < 1312837969 360840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably that tells X about it, but it probably tells GTK stuff about it too < 1312837975 22180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think that was accurate as of like five years ago, dude. < 1312837989 286048 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't as long as all that. < 1312838008 454793 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was quite recently still that GTK had hardcoded composition tables. < 1312838013 854842 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uh, tried a few months ago, you need to set X input < 1312838013 954214 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know about the current status though. < 1312838018 624549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Five years ago, two seconds, what's the difference. < 1312838021 352209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: On how new a distro? < 1312838032 998061 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, arch, so bleeding edge at the time < 1312838039 310036 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I guess in january < 1312838042 464591 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1312838220 831427 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1312838222 35393 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The relevant Ubuntu page -- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComposeKey#Compose%20key -- at least hasn't been edited and still says GTK has their silly in-code hardcoded table (unless the input method is swibbed to XIM, after which ~/.XCompose works); though help.ubuntu.com isn't exactly stranger to outdated documentation either. < 1312838228 272988 :CakeProphet!~adam@c-24-126-235-176.hsd1.ga.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312838228 355765 :CakeProphet!~adam@c-24-126-235-176.hsd1.ga.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1312838228 427837 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1312838638 499911 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312839151 187554 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, "Doctor" theme usually applies to John? < 1312839165 887802 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you immediately see why I ask < 1312839185 85712 :nisstyre_!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1312839187 783482 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1312839319 697419 :nisstyre_!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info NICK :Nisstyre < 1312840029 475081 :micahjohnston!~micahjohn@ec2-174-129-205-205.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1312841224 173639 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let coll2bf l = ">>+[-" ++ foldr branch "++<<[->+<]" l ++ ">[-<+>]>]"; branch (a,b,c) s = "[-<" ++ replicate a '+' ++ ">]" ++ replicate c '+' ++ '<' : replicate b '+' ++ "<[->" ++ replicate b '-' ++ '[' : replicate a '-' ++ ">+<]>" ++ replicate c '-' ++ s ++ "]" in coll2bf $ (5,0,1):[(5,i,0)|i<-[1..3]] < 1312841225 909528 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ">>+[-[-<+++++>]+<<[->[----->+<]>-[-<+++++>]<+<[->-[----->+<]>[-<+++++>]<++... < 1312841229 470519 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1312841244 395789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is it actually working :D < 1312841247 60180 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell let coll2bf l = ">>+[-" ++ foldr branch "++<<[->+<]" l ++ ">[-<+>]>]"; branch (a,b,c) s = "[-<" ++ replicate a '+' ++ ">]" ++ replicate c '+' ++ '<' : replicate b '+' ++ "<[->" ++ replicate b '-' ++ '[' : replicate a '-' ++ ">+<]>" ++ replicate c '-' ++ s ++ "]" in coll2bf $ (5,0,1):[(5,i,0)|i<-[1..3]] < 1312841250 123363 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​">>+[-[-<+++++>]+<<[->[----->+<]>-[-<+++++>]<+<[->-[----->+<]>[-<+++++>]<++<[->--[----->+<]>[-<+++++>]<+++<[->---[----->+<]>++<<[->+<]]]]]>[-<+>]>]" < 1312841257 54594 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well let's find out < 1312841270 385711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im letsing < 1312841311 721242 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def test bf ,[>>+[-[-<+++++>]+<<[->[----->+<]>-[-<+++++>]<+<[->-[----->+<]>[-<+++++>]<++<[->--[----->+<]>[-<+++++>]<+++<[->---[----->+<]>++<<[->+<]]]]]>[-<+>]>]<<.,] < 1312841311 886800 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1312841316 843097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^test < 1312841317 432859 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^test 0123456789 < 1312841318 191891 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :]=>?QBCDWG < 1312841319 118698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^test asdojasdj < 1312841320 806645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, elliott is so much less annoying than eliot < 1312841321 306971 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :y����y��� < 1312841322 533191 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1312841324 727822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^test :)))))) < 1312841325 262249 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :H333333 < 1312841326 449123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wat < 1312841334 872731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: tz what are you doing................. < 1312841335 274647 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: again in a fresh memo later ( from the capsule's perspective) jade would retrieve that beta. the kid's out of his mind games < 1312841337 682243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there's been an eliot pestering me in another channel < 1312841345 400109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you sure that's not me < 1312841346 65654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the difference in name spelling really surprised me < 1312841346 903344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like me < 1312841352 718104 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's doing _something_, but not exactly what it should. oh wait... < 1312841353 946771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not completely sure, but it seems likely < 1312841359 821892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't spell your name like that < 1312841363 9331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wait, that guy normally has twice those letters! just as irritating though." < 1312841369 844931 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell let coll2bf l = ">>+[-" ++ foldr branch "++<<[->+<]" l ++ ">[-<+>]>]"; branch (a,b,c) s = "[-<" ++ replicate a '+' ++ ">]" ++ replicate c '+' ++ '<' : replicate b '+' ++ "<[->" ++ replicate b '-' ++ '[' : replicate a '-' ++ ">+<]>" ++ replicate c '-' ++ s ++ "]" in coll2bf $ (5,0,1):[(4,i,0)|i<-[1..3]] < 1312841372 502853 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​">>+[-[-<+++++>]+<<[->[----->+<]>-[-<++++>]<+<[->-[---->+<]>[-<++++>]<++<[->--[---->+<]>[-<++++>]<+++<[->---[---->+<]>++<<[->+<]]]]]>[-<+>]>]" < 1312841394 268721 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def test bf ,[>>+[-[-<+++++>]+<<[->[----->+<]>-[-<++++>]<+<[->-[---->+<]>[-<++++>]<++<[->--[---->+<]>[-<++++>]<+++<[->---[---->+<]>++<<[->+<]]]]]>[-<+>]>]<<.,] < 1312841394 340972 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1312841399 243138 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^test 0123456789 < 1312841399 943107 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :K123A567F9 < 1312841405 269115 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Did you ever solve your BF conundrum? < 1312841415 335596 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map ord "K123A567F9" < 1312841416 207171 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [75,49,50,51,65,53,54,55,70,57] < 1312841419 390906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: I think he's solving it at the moment < 1312841422 103557 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: see the above < 1312841426 998566 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1312841449 407875 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it compiles a general "collatz function" to 3-cell bf < 1312841454 899257 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, almost general < 1312841471 886767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: for the implementation of Fractran, presumably < 1312841503 30942 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: conway in fact proved that fractran reduces to collatz functions < 1312841510 217843 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaiu < 1312841526 558135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so two cells are definitely not TC, rihgt? < 1312841531 662623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's moderately obvious < 1312841548 408562 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um i don't see how they could be, you cannot end a loop without zeroing one of them < 1312841548 683199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fractran corresponding to collatz functions, that is < 1312841549 371386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so was :caret() underload being subtc < 1312841551 971322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1312841554 683533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right < 1312841588 409712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you must find esolang programming really tricky < 1312841596 459224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :regular programming too, come to think of it < 1312841599 16539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wat < 1312841615 493974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're missing eight numbers, and the corresponding punctuation marks < 1312841617 419212 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PART :#esoteric < 1312841630 414473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, I'm practically used to that by now < 1312841634 365028 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the restriction here is that the first elements of the triple must be > 0 and the second >= 0. but that's automatic for fractran programs of positive fractions < 1312841646 707292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I just google " in decimal" and "asterisk" and "exclamation mark" and copy from there < 1312841657 13075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1312841660 615436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, do you use a compose key? < 1312841663 925544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my browser search history is going to be somewhat useless once I get these keys back < 1312841671 517580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I considered it multiple times but, hey, it's only temporary, right? :-P < 1312841671 691568 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the last element is just a flag whether to halt for that remainder) < 1312841674 298612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like the obvious thing to put keybindings on < 1312841675 214787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for numbers < 1312841675 629827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1312841679 62452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and punctuation < 1312841689 902783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that my first computer was a BBC Micro for which the B and Y keys didn't work < 1312841690 735898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do manta rays have skeletons < 1312841706 590410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to write short BASIC programs to print them, and then keybind them to function keys < 1312841727 411027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually, I could copy/paste the B from the splashscreen, but not the Y) < 1312841769 268221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so I generally converted Z to a number, subtracted 1, and converted it back to a string) < 1312841821 436316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Elephant two has been encased in cooling lava." --DF < 1312841876 125818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in your game? < 1312841880 162970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or someone else's? < 1312841888 510885 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elephant two takes a cooling bath in the cooling lava < 1312841934 29760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: object arena :P < 1312841943 419791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(basically a sandbox) < 1312841961 853010 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :lava turns sandboxes into pools! < 1312841971 781273 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is awesome < 1312842071 383774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't lava turn sandboxes to glass? < 1312842127 539216 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, if the lava isn't hot enough - otherwise, a pool of molten glass? < 1312843325 443319 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229128087.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312843447 749123 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/aug/08/london-riots-third-night-live < 1312843454 384431 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the graphic they use for the map. < 1312843950 979314 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The local "7pm news" TV program had interviewed a random Finn in London who had managed to get tangentially involved (was in a taxi, rioters broke the windows and stole a bag, or something like that), and coincidentally it turned out the interviewee was an old school acquaintance of my wife's. < 1312843970 643111 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Small world, like they say. < 1312844021 459423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there have been riots in Birmingham too, but it's not like the ones in London < 1312844041 220913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like a group of people have got organised and are rioting and looting a bit < 1312844050 479374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then running away when the police arrive and doing it again elsewhere < 1312844068 454253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably the same people who were trying to organise gangs of shoplifters as some sort of complex protest against the government's economic policy < 1312844099 12541 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :V for Vandal < 1312844157 705722 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229128087.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1312844171 599807 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t find < 1312844172 284056 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (a -> Bool) -> [a] -> Maybe a < 1312844247 915793 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> find (==2) [1,2,3,2,1] < 1312844248 605442 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just 2 < 1312844253 342678 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's the first 2? < 1312844288 519031 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think < 1312844311 667218 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> find (>2) [1,2,3] < 1312844312 796171 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just 3 < 1312844325 311148 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> find (>2) [1,3,2] < 1312844326 508454 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just 3 < 1312844334 570465 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> find (>=2) [1,2,3] < 1312844334 641732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Small world, like they say. < 1312844335 726565 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just 2 < 1312844336 895605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/world/country/ < 1312844338 570575 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> find (>=2) [1,3,2] < 1312844339 776108 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just 3 < 1312844355 143249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote it's probably the same people who were trying to organise gangs of shoplifters as some sort of complex protest against the government's economic policy < 1312844358 515349 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :570) it's probably the same people who were trying to organise gangs of shoplifters as some sort of complex protest against the government's economic policy < 1312844383 292386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not sure if you were aware of them; it may have been specific to Birmingham < 1312844397 38930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm the right age and other vital statistics to be in their target audience < 1312844405 886804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have completely the wrong sort of personality < 1312844444 413366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is really weird to be tired at midnight and to have slept the previous night < 1312844447 492550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong political opinions, too < 1312844456 720878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: go to sleep, then < 1312844461 152189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes ok soon < 1312844465 676707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may currently be on a normal sleep schedule < 1312844468 428892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not something to fight < 1312844477 25168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's got to happen by chance /sometimes/ < 1312844491 40333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, waking up at half six is a bit hardcore for me, even if it classes as normal < 1312844501 81769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I don't think eighteen hours of sleep a day is usual < 1312844501 974533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind waking up that early < 1312844512 302911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I've managed 18 hours of sleep before now < 1312844530 482792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did around 16, with a 2-hour break, last month < 1312844538 926582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a 0-hour break < 1312844544 515550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, I woke up at around eight pm < 1312844553 709286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I didn't do much other than try and get back to sleep < 1312844573 83071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe my sleep schedule has become so bizarre it's wrapped around and become normal again < 1312844720 49964 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((++)<*>show)"((++)<*>show)" < 1312844721 412676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "((++)<*>show)\"((++)<*>show)\"" < 1312844768 390752 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say that's the basic layout of a quine, in essence. < 1312844929 904113 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t replicate < 1312844930 569189 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. Int -> a -> [a] < 1312845656 341050 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python a='"""';b="""print "a='"+a+"';b="+a+b+a+';exec b'""";exec b < 1312845657 94737 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :a='"""';b="""print "a='"+a+"';b="+a+b+a+';exec b'""";exec b < 1312845833 634845 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python print((lambda x:x%x)("print ((lambda x:x%%x)(%r)" ) < 1312845834 259514 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :File "", line 2 < 1312845839 600895 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :... :) < 1312845920 456439 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for completeness. < 1312845922 483422 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (aS(:^)S):^ < 1312845922 555827 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aS(:^)S):^ < 1312845928 27094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I ended up completing Hammerfight, by the way; the end seems a little arbitrary < 1312845942 387331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the game itself is very glitchy < 1312845955 293343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only does it crash randomly, I managed to deal INT_MIN damage at one point, several times in a row < 1312845973 759953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, at least twice it's forgotten my entire inventory due to a crash, but rebuilding from there wasn't too hard < 1312846000 625282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm trying to work out if its "official" name is "The History of Hammerfight" or not < 1312846044 929521 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python a='"""';b="""exec "a='"+a+"';b="+a+b+a+';exec b'""";exec b < 1312846046 14879 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): < 1312846048 538317 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it just went from Hammerfall to Hammerfight < 1312846079 491299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "The History of Hammerfight" is what it's called on the title screen < 1312846081 239736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not anywhere else < 1312846090 66663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, the title screen is typically kind-of official < 1312846115 638669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :melee-fighting helicopters is one of the best concepts for a game ever, though < 1312846150 825591 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def test bf ,[[>>+[-[-<+++++>]+<<[->[----->+<]>-[-<++++>]<+<[->-[---->+<]>[-<++++>]<++<[->--[---->+<]>[-<++++>]<+++<[->---[---->+<]>++<<[->+<]]]]]>[-<+>]>]<<.,] < 1312846150 988558 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mismatched []. < 1312846164 74236 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1312846169 137419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has various other problems; as far as I can tell, armour's main drawback actually benefits its user < 1312846169 944318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1312846170 893647 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : melee-fighting helicopters is one of the best concepts for a game ever, though < 1312846184 105891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's no reason not to max it out < 1312846184 612617 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of good, but the controls are a bit clumsy. < 1312846197 881968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: setting the mouse DPI right down helps < 1312846209 388981 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just sent the rock into orbit around me and hoped for the best. < 1312846212 177526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is basically essential if playing with a touch pad < 1312846227 978617 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >>+[-[-<+++++>]+<<[->[----->+<]>-[-<++++>]<+<[->-[---->+<]>[-<++++>]<++<[->--[---->+<]>[-<++++>]<+++<[->---[---->+<]>++<<[->+<]]]]]>[-<+>]>] < 1312846231 444176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played any of the bundle games yet < 1312846231 883607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sending the rock into orbit is what you're meant to do; it becomes increasingly difficult to do in time as the game goes on < 1312846233 29296 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time! < 1312846235 64976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :been too busy wrecking the fortress < 1312846237 961572 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does have a bunch of issues (although I haven't run into any actual bugs since it was named Hammerfight), but it's still awesome < 1312846245 501045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because hitting something often generally knocks it out of orbit < 1312846268 674772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you often want it to swing in a particular direction < 1312846281 211642 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def test bf ,[>>+[-[-<+++++>]+<<[->[----->+<]>-[-<++++>]<+<[->-[---->+<]>[-<++++>]<++<[->--[---->+<]>[-<++++>]<+++<[->---[---->+<]>++<<[->+<]]]]]>[-<+>]>]<<.,] < 1312846281 459601 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1312846289 9244 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^test 0123456789 < 1312846289 631335 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :K123A567F9 < 1312846295 113734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Naming something Hammerfight is indeed a very effective way to avoid bugs < 1312846311 319500 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, seemed to work well < 1312846321 786561 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, And Yet It Moves is OK but it doesn't have any real draw. < 1312846339 489209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I get random crashes, occasional loss of the entire inventory, audio randomly fading out (and coming back about a minute later), damage numbers sometimes not coming up for a while, cutscenes (especially the victory cutscene) randomly lasting up to several minutes longer than it should < 1312846349 583208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: AYIM is a pretty typical puzzle platformer, as far as I can tell < 1312846361 683269 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get none of that < 1312846367 829211 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes, which has... little draw. < 1312846370 969305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the better examples of those that I've seen < 1312846371 654239 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to get random crashes but as said, not any more < 1312846381 718902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people like puzzle platformers < 1312846393 209148 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, dunno, I found Braid more engaging. < 1312846400 359268 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If fiendish. < 1312846410 577886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I haven't played that on < 1312846411 885599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*one < 1312846413 501536 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1312846418 958288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably download one of the games from the second one I got gifted < 1312846422 776072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway, when Vorpal talks about VVVVVV requiring reflexes, what he means is that it requires precision < 1312846423 232267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of bad at doing things. < 1312846437 946454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reflexes are mostly unimportant; precision is, as is memorized timings < 1312846439 447915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, obviously; it's Vorpal < 1312846466 684781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only assume his hands are so big that he basically just presses the arrow keys as one amorphous block < 1312846470 105037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trinket normally referred to as "Veni, Vidi, Vici" took me about half an hour, that's pretty much just memorising timings < 1312846476 225107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it starts going in the wrong direction, he smashes it wildly until it stops < 1312846481 158687 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AYIM was all "can't find a suitable OpenGL visual" on both of the two computers I tried it on. But according to the forums it's a known bug, and there's a fixed build already in beta-testing. < 1312846481 479393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's how long it took me to get the timing down < 1312846482 510568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which he interprets as requiring reflexes < 1312846491 985654 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The up-and-down one? < 1312846492 948006 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you get a minute in the super gravitron? < 1312846496 501757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes < 1312846500 910199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: nah < 1312846504 641768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gravitron /does/ need reflexes < 1312846508 13737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'd like to say I find games based on memorisation and repetition boring, but that's bullshit, Dot Action four lyfe < 1312846509 416019 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep :-P < 1312846510 365665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's about the only point in the game that does < 1312846518 978595 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be said that -learning- the timings requires reflexes < 1312846530 41739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's Cogs like, nobody's mentioned Cogs yet < 1312846531 732169 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suck at the gravitron, I have survived something like 15 seconds in it at most. < 1312846539 76798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's a generic-looking puzzle game < 1312846541 196926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it crashes my GPU < 1312846545 126510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't know < 1312846546 472328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I suck at the gravitron, I have survived something like 15 seconds in it at most. < 1312846547 486529 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :571) I suck at the gravitron, I have survived something like 15 seconds in it at most. < 1312846552 409251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: regular, or super? < 1312846555 440758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP fizzie < 1312846559 179385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for super, that's comparable with mine < 1312846560 428578 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it segfaults without even starting. < 1312846563 108330 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The super. < 1312846563 191439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what about, umm, Atom Zombie Smasher < 1312846566 858936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's using the trick where you can wrap the map < 1312846569 229004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: haven't played it < 1312846569 725954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a promising name < 1312846582 691722 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a Dwarven Atom Smasher. < 1312846585 294247 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :After a few weeks of trying I got 90ish seconds, IIRC < 1312846590 366154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1312846602 911057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, that's weeks of trying, so it's plausible < 1312846618 725898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Braid is meant to be great but I will have to suspend my knowledge that the developer is stupid (or at least he made a talk linked on reddit that said a bunch of stupid things about programming) < 1312846629 116429 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not like several hours a day active trying, though < 1312846632 790882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think VVVVVV suffers from running out of things to do with its idea, too < 1312846635 827728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably why it's so short < 1312846647 791580 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :winghci frustration: i don't see a way to end stdin input to :main < 1312846654 508514 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :These days I'll typically get 30ish seconds < 1312846654 811340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't really like to be able to complete a game I've bought 100% in under 4 hours in my first playthrough) < 1312846674 697054 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I just played Cogs' "End Credits" level. It's... well, it looks nice, and even though it's just block-sliding (which I usually hate) I still managed to slog through. < 1312846676 427298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: does newline control-Z newline work? < 1312846684 116920 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1312846684 449610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Gish is good, because oklopol likes it < 1312846686 184791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the basis of Cogs? < 1312846693 90384 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nope < 1312846731 446052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's, ummm, what's Samorost 2 like < 1312846752 564380 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird < 1312846753 830228 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The usual "grid of squares with one empty, you push them around" except what's on the squares are cogs and pipes, and you need to slide them so that the thing works. < 1312846754 983487 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't get Gish ;_; < 1312846766 941473 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well it's just main = interact $ collatzToBF . read anyway, so since the parts work... < 1312846772 472030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's in the first bundle < 1312846774 939419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah, I see < 1312846776 107265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you got the second you'd have it < 1312846778 97440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the first, ofc < 1312846787 342200 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, FROZENBYYYYYYYYTE < 1312846788 580914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's basically two independent puzzle games combined < 1312846796 430278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh, that one doesn't even count < 1312846807 969389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to work out where the parts go, and once you have, to solve a fifteen puzzle to put them there < 1312846817 267627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't normally like that sort of design < 1312846837 949892 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There's chimes you sometimes need to ring, and cogs of different size to speed things up, and sometimes there's stuff on the other side of the squares too, and sometimes you need to mix different colors of steam, and sometimes the squares are on a cylinder, and so on. < 1312846839 734127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it might be fun if you could automate the sliding :) < 1312846846 452497 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it has some variation in there. < 1312846849 356731 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh, wait, that's not the people who make it. < 1312846859 262964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also is world of goo any good, i played the demo years ago and it was boring < 1312846864 517172 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked it < 1312846868 849819 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I could never replay it < 1312846870 87214 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked to Goo too. < 1312846877 266905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played it, but I've seen both playthroughs and speedruns of it < 1312846884 177469 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's too easy to brute force the whole game < 1312846888 998728 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not enough to get the "OCD" flags on all levels. < 1312846889 883495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the plot's a bit surreal, and the level design is relatively interesting < 1312846894 192595 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :WoG was okay, not that great IMO < 1312846903 644770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think it's massively difficult, and gets a bit repetitive after a while < 1312846914 449430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my issue with Crayon Physics, most of the levels can be solved much the same way < 1312846922 310565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Osmos < 1312846924 195426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is osmos any good < 1312846927 494073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WILL I LEAVE ANY GAME UNASKED ABOUT < 1312846931 795054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the whole point of the game is to find alternate solutions, but there are only four or five strategies you can use < 1312846939 149592 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Osmos was pretty lame < 1312846954 709697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love my "elegant" solution to the sideways-H level, though < 1312846968 827863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which uses one pivot, and one approximately-spiral shaped thing to rotate on it < 1312846973 739236 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not massively difficult to actually get through the Goo, but some of the OCD achievements require quite inspired solutions. < 1312846990 932372 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is osmos any good < 1312846998 479690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh no < 1312846999 986889 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting concept, annoying execution. < 1312847008 187731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that just leads to me considering the OCD achievements as the _real_ victory < 1312847009 939212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does Osmos work? < 1312847010 712536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the real game was too easy < 1312847011 853262 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a reason Newtonian controls are largely neglected. < 1312847018 403056 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you're a bubble. < 1312847024 744497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ASTEROIDS II TREASON < 1312847028 539252 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you move by shooting bits of yourself away. < 1312847031 440251 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked osmos < 1312847038 986118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, weird < 1312847059 808147 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If two bubbles come into contact, the larger leeches from the smaller. < 1312847096 845785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's the goal of the game? combat? "platform"-style? < 1312847111 107454 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it varies; normally it's to become the largest. < 1312847119 530786 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doens't quite make sense unless concentration of solute is somehow proportional to size. < 1312847122 654576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :competing against other bubbles trying to do the same thing? < 1312847147 350783 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact it makes no sense at all unless that's the case. < 1312847155 45769 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the levels I played had them all static. < 1312847169 562652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I assume that in Osmos, bubbles are intelligent < 1312847175 874929 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you got larger than a certain fraction it was pretty simple to do the rest. < 1312847183 213322 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, like I said, not in the one I said. < 1312847183 392325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rules for passing of intelligence between bubbles are presumably reasonably arbitrary < 1312847189 501572 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : cyth: except JP2 wasn't a pope < 1312847190 73558 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Some levels have competitors; some have gravity in which just survival gets tricky < 1312847192 295821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, at least, don't have to reflect real-life physics < 1312847233 816159 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What makes the controls annoying is that the system means you have fairly limited delta-v, which is pretty hard to get your head around. < 1312847244 825649 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: lol < 1312847254 42408 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't find it difficult to get used to < 1312847258 349131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I think that's meant to be heavy armour's drawback in Hammerfight < 1312847265 360633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can counteract it just by moving the mouse faster < 1312847274 890005 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's acceleration, not delta-v. < 1312847288 434305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right < 1312847289 617007 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can move noticeably faster without armour, still < 1312847301 289980 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming there's a maximum speed at which you can move your mouse < 1312847319 784399 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did see a non-singular number of people playing Limbo last weekend, and it looked vaguely interesting, at least from a distance. < 1312847324 649069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that, with armour, there's no need to move massively fast < 1312847334 268861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when in trouble, I just held down the shield button until I wasn't in trouble any more < 1312847341 396804 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedevacantism < 1312847348 805208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you do move noticeably slower while shielding, so slowly that it's basically impossible to swing a weapon) < 1312847358 826038 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Limbo was fun but it suffers from ais's "100% in under 4 hours" problem < 1312847375 668712 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, delta-v is a rocket thing and it means more or less what it says on the tin. < 1312847377 504650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not even good at computer games! < 1312847404 919179 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Armour doesn't help against the piles of explosives the enemies start throwing at you in the arena < 1312847406 210372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe I am, but I don't think of myself as being good at computer games < 1312847409 699741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: indeed < 1312847413 817249 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it helps, but not much < 1312847431 437625 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the "hold the shield button" tactic doesn't always work that well < 1312847437 209070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you wait for the whole pile to be thrown then run, you're typically just stunned rather than taking damage < 1312847447 602787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't hold the shield button then, because you're nowhere near the enemies when that happens < 1312847462 747932 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the explosives in question < 1312847467 626434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose so < 1312847475 832252 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The powder keg or whatever it is is one that you really want to distance yourself from as soon as you see it < 1312847486 747621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :siege bomb? < 1312847492 158031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody's tried one of those against me in the arena < 1312847514 71454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hardest level for me to beat was the one with the crazy alien boss that has an attack that damages at any range, and also shoots you away from the boss < 1312847518 724621 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where'd you get the name? < 1312847530 710809 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available in the shop? < 1312847531 361711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can buy it in the special equipment shop in the hall, sometimes < 1312847537 647926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's random whether it's there or not < 1312847538 645679 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough < 1312847543 348917 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've looked at the shop in years < 1312847544 465649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it costs 30 gold, pretty expensive < 1312847556 299301 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, those < 1312847564 807216 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Cortex Command was... a bit too hard? < 1312847566 907322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's how I beat the boss in question, two HP restoratives I've forgotten the name of and a siege bomb < 1312847574 62486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :together with repeatedly hitting it with an Empire < 1312847588 399556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I set the bomb off by deliberately crashing into it with the boss next to it) < 1312847589 915253 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I couldn't clear the tutorial without basically doing a sequential zerg rush. < 1312847612 318388 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only stuff I've bought from the shop is armour in an emergency, I think < 1312847620 666571 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or abusing the fact that you can pilot the dropships and they make a very nice improvised missile. < 1312847624 522019 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never used the more exotic stuff < 1312847638 610481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the HP restoratives are basically extra lives < 1312847645 568222 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What game is this? < 1312847646 461111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you would die, you get an extra 100 health instead < 1312847646 980644 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1312847649 52595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Hammerfight < 1312847793 131177 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bed time --> < 1312847798 222291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, another annoyance: if a stone mace breaks, the chain is left attached to you, and you can't drop it