< 1312848112 117024 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/bwfbg9itrsaqres5uuyfrw < 1312848113 786936 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1312848168 195060 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1312848207 3553 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That really wasn't an invitation, it was intended to be pasted in #jesus for luke's benefit < 1312848312 361163 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time bed --> < 1312848321 126456 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night fizzie < 1312848348 39466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey it's pthing < 1312848439 215152 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, Phantom_Hoover < 1312848478 234339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1312848483 202584 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1312848494 46255 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Worst party. < 1312848494 208891 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : cyth: he was never a pope < 1312848494 281847 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Fuck this shit. < 1312848494 281982 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* angelBot sets ban on *!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 < 1312848494 282089 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* angelBot has kicked Phantom_Hoover from #jesus (For swearing) < 1312848505 625148 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :conversion program now put in http://esolangs.org/wiki/Collatz_function < 1312848549 476538 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm so proud < 1312848642 460963 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have a lizard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sphaerodactylus_parthenopion_004.jpg < 1312848674 549022 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether the word "optimal" can really be applied to a computational model which is something like doubly exponential, i dunno < 1312848746 490798 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I always leave #jesus that way. < 1312848770 953682 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey, 3-cell brainfuck < 1312848782 613166 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312848821 350000 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: cute < 1312848826 718573 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : In conclusion, go NY Jets < 1312848826 790941 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Amen < 1312848832 328331 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1312848876 508428 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression that this person was Christian of a ... "Jesus is love' variety < 1312848917 677652 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1312848918 956198 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1312848934 614963 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1312849045 913463 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Skunks are adorable < 1312849047 819426 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any popular pro-life responses to http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html ? < 1312849103 441368 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: "You'll kill a baby but not a convicted rapist?" < 1312849123 641593 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I'm pro-death < 1312849347 132557 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pro-death and anti-choice < 1312849405 552035 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :nihilistdandy, have you read the page? < 1312849493 474635 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of it < 1312849510 422468 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about pro-lifers having abortions, not pro-choicers < 1312849516 828245 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1312849543 668440 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :including two right to life club presidents which I lol'd at < 1312849558 233607 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's the "hypocrisy" of pro-choice, if you listen to the lifers talk < 1312849605 401308 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup but that would not be a response to 'the only moral abortion is my abortion' < 1312849622 363976 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomaima says: even pro-lifers make the choice that we want to give you when needed < 1312849625 157019 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pro-life response is? < 1312849643 781743 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably none < 1312849654 53576 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask #jesus < 1312849662 294103 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi jesus < 1312850141 577526 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312850413 780064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1312850874 368118 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1312850922 592590 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, → sleep for real now. < 1312850924 232495 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1312851047 590244 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312851076 478668 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312851406 397285 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/pics/fam.jpg < 1312851409 780169 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, god, cannot unsee < 1312851492 519757 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, he's an idolater, fo' sho': http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/reference/pkmn/ < 1312852478 583801 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229128087.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312852894 188235 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1312852961 242861 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is a MegaZeux person right? < 1312853174 766321 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1312853200 268747 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I know some thing about compiling rulebook programming? < 1312853233 197609 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1312853276 864561 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, http://www.digitalmzx.net/wiki/index.php?title=Zzo38 is you right? < 1312853280 423273 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1312853287 733645 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I don't think I've met "classic" zzo38 < 1312853306 299094 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait zzo38 has more than one meaning? < 1312853427 115069 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't know; that isn't a user page. Although User:Zzo38 on that wiki is me; and the game linked there is mine, so are the three external resources. < 1312853536 473410 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In fact I can see they have mentioned whoever wrote that also seems to be unsure, although the stuff under "MegaZeux Games" and "External Links" headings I can confirm are correct) < 1312853643 567164 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the game described on http://www.digitalmzx.net/wiki/index.php?title=Super_ASCII_MZX_Town is a game I have made. And there are still some mistakes in that game I ought to correct. < 1312853687 892306 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(None of the mistakes would deceive you or prevent the game from being completed from what I know, though. Some just allow you go to in ways that is not supposed to be permitted) < 1312854268 762785 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many things in the "Criticize" list do you believe are correct? < 1312854552 811178 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What do *you* think? Of course a lot of words can have more than one meaning. < 1312854753 852781 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized I can use 3D movie glasses to find the dust on my computer screen. < 1312854778 818117 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant :P < 1312854821 265645 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not actually wearing them; I need to use the glasses backwards to make this work (I don't know why). < 1312854864 149937 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the computer needs to be showing a white screen. < 1312854877 207754 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have LCD monitor and REALD 3D movie glasses, you can try it yourself. < 1312854911 491814 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the former < 1312854972 475375 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also need to rotate 45 degrees counterclockwise < 1312855070 968491 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I can somehow use the movie glasses and a mirror in order to create stereovision pictures on my computer. < 1312855093 142775 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe just these things are not sufficient. < 1312855264 303806 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how these movie glasses work and why they have the effects they do? I do know about some simpler ones that are simply linear polarization filters, but these are something else. Someone told me it is circular polarization. < 1312855451 799395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's circular polarizatoin < 1312855455 35886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*polarization < 1312855532 717693 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not completely understand circular polarization though. I read something about it in Roger Penrose's book "Road to Reality". But I still don't know completely. < 1312855562 966052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically linear polarization, but the direction changes over time, very quickly < 1312855580 349643 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I look up some things in Wikipedia about it < 1312855650 517964 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so there is left-handed and right-handed; maybe this explains why it is different when looking through it forward or backward. Is it? I don't know. < 1312855689 485959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it should be < 1312855749 879463 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> takeWhile (<5) [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, undefined] < 1312855751 13766 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4] < 1312855752 601355 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> takeWhile (<=5) [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, undefined] < 1312855753 778769 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4,5*Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1312855775 843251 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obfuscating Haskell must be fun. < 1312855782 9414 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, how are LCD monitors polarized? < 1312856967 591268 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1312857843 620293 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312859353 932232 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1312860091 359818 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312860451 21367 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1312861694 739931 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-26.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1312861725 566588 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-26.elisa.ee PART :#esoteric < 1312863359 810769 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312864677 223394 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1312864784 545250 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1312865544 147717 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rulebook programming I want to implement and figure out how to compile (probably into Haskell) is similar to that of Inform 7 (refer to chapter 18 of the Inform 7 manual), although the Inform 7 rulebooks is insufficient, and Inform 7 is very insufficient. Do you know anything about this? < 1312865576 481067 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can describe various examples (including both things in the Inform 7 manual and things that are not in Inform 7 at all) if you want example, please. < 1312865966 767389 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1312866230 287132 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which manual? < 1312866261 440493 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :inform 7 has two < 1312866335 865007 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-14.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312866361 244904 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Writing with Inform" manual. < 1312866397 534612 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But to truly understand what I mean, you would also have to understand both Haskell and Magic: the Gathering. < 1312866426 171094 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The features of rules in Inform 7 is not quite sufficient, although they do have some of the stuff I want. < 1312866464 4140 :burned!~burned@unaffiliated/burned JOIN :#esoteric < 1312866475 92256 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you would like examples, please ask about it. < 1312866484 906455 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, clarification, etc < 1312866533 14507 :burned!~burned@unaffiliated/burned PRIVMSG #esoteric :how esoteric? < 1312866571 222471 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :burned: About what? < 1312866587 980065 :burned!~burned@unaffiliated/burned PRIVMSG #esoteric :this room. how esoteric is this room? < 1312866604 582296 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand Haskell and Magic < 1312866675 318926 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :burned: pretty fucking esoteric < 1312866685 718514 :burned!~burned@unaffiliated/burned PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, indeed < 1312866687 264162 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We're not really esoteric. It's just that nobody cares about us." < 1312866698 185715 :burned!~burned@unaffiliated/burned PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, indeed. < 1312866703 426051 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Good, because I would need help from someone who understands these things. < 1312866707 197129 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dead inside < 1312866723 950086 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-14.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric programming languages is (ostensibly) the topic. < 1312866759 228977 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are you talking about writing something akin to a Magic card rules parser? < 1312866778 785325 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I think he's talking about writing a language that obeys Magic rules < 1312866816 141802 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Sort of. Not quite. Rather, something that is a programming language that has the features for designing such things. < 1312866827 94128 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Not quite. < 1312866860 570470 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: interesting < 1312866866 212486 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can you provide some examples? < 1312866878 994601 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably not Inform as I'm not familiar with it < 1312866937 80030 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Good, because I am not actually familiar with Inform either; I just read the documentation and examples. But yes I can give some examples. < 1312866942 535628 :burned!~burned@unaffiliated/burned PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you would like a man who goes by the nick betta_y_omega < 1312867034 924219 :burned!~burned@unaffiliated/burned PRIVMSG #esoteric :very much into difficult existential observations, just as you seem to be. < 1312867043 787573 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could have the "if a creature has toughness>0 and damage>=toughness, destroy it immediately" rule belonging to the "state based effects rules". < 1312867061 988159 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :An object could have a rule or rulebook belonging to it. < 1312867136 995340 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as, a static ability (represented by some Haskell type, possibly) belonging to something, and the static ability is a category of a rule, belonging to it, that means when calculating the power of a creature, if that creature is black, add 1 to the result. < 1312867147 404363 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then it too can be called, overridden, and everything else. < 1312867196 605575 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-14.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, folks in here might like this question of mine on Programmers.SE: http://programmers.stackexchange.com/q/99582/2107 < 1312867206 753769 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider you have: power :: Object -> (Maybe Int) < 1312867220 552711 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Hmm... I sort of understand the concept < 1312867231 362366 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I would need to see a prototype or more fully-fleshed example < 1312867305 180749 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now there is a rule belonging to something, the rule adds stuff onto this function, and the rule has to be told by the other rules when it is to be applied. < 1312867425 947500 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can try to figure out prototypes and more fully-fleshed examples, possibly tomorrow or I have no more time today (it is 10:22 PM in my timezone). I also have the following wiki page, which I will try to type more things on, and anyone with an account can help type things. Possibly some things already there can also be adjusted: https://devlabs.linuxassist.net/projects/texnicard/wiki/Dangelo_Programming_Language < 1312867430 236176 :burned!~burned@unaffiliated/burned PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it stops being a rule at this point < 1312867431 844399 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ or / if / < 1312867480 559909 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ or I have no more time today / in case I have no more time today / < 1312867616 111709 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: jasonmxristos is funny < 1312867647 420765 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have anything else to say about it before I join again tomorrow, either type it on here (and I might review the logs, or you can tell me which UNIX timestamps they are near, etc), or type it on the wiki I mentioned, or type it on my User Talk page on esolang wiki. < 1312867658 45990 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for now, I think I will sleep. < 1312867689 831096 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1312867693 475877 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, I think he needs help < 1312867693 642070 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: Oops the light exploded now I cannot read the book anymore (just joking) < 1312867733 390 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: DIVINE INTERVENTION < 1312867807 380422 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :May the blessing of Athe be upon him. < 1312868358 830517 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, please don't kill me < 1312868381 906541 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you directing #jesus here tangentially? < 1312868383 869201 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1312868603 119879 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@81-233-163-248-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1312868628 926116 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@81-233-163-248-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1312868877 817120 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1312869902 278823 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hussdate < 1312869926 892863 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1312870275 77928 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that some sort of a silly-calendar 'date' replacement, like 'ddate'? < 1312870307 120501 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ddate < 1312870308 273530 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today is Sweetmorn, the 2nd day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3177 < 1312870315 418810 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, that thing is so widespread. < 1312870327 470594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was in coreutils < 1312870331 881937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not entirely sure < 1312870346 811393 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :htkallas@pc112:~$ dpkg-query -S `which ddate` < 1312870346 976255 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :util-linux: /usr/bin/ddate < 1312870351 903306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no, util-linux-ng < 1312870409 934349 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a vague recollection some distribution or another opted to manipulate their util-linux package to not include ddate. < 1312870462 312765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdate is great too, particularly because it /isn't/ a silly date replacement, but something infinitely more awesome < 1312870500 71502 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There have been "ddate should be in some other package, we don't want this sort of nonsense and idiocy on our servers -and/or- makes baby Jesus cry" bug reports in Debian every now and then. < 1312870538 820536 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=149321 "People with more traditional moral values might not appreciate a reference to or advertisement for this movement being present on their system. -- This is significant because it can prevent such people from recommending Debian." < 1312870555 26797 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be much easier to respond to if they had Slackware-type sensibilities. < 1312870572 46602 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, "fuck non-necessary patches". < 1312870578 382867 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :morals are just paintings on the wall < 1312870579 800741 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they actually did drop it at one point. < 1312870586 951252 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the Church of the Subgenius sensibilities help too. < 1312870630 254551 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :util-linux 2.11z-3 "* Drop ddate. Closes: #149321, #174459, #180737"; seems it came back later on though. < 1312870653 516107 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I for one will not stand for this. I personally use ddate, I use it in some scripts, I know other people do the same, and I know some Debian developers would be annoyed if ddate was removed. There are even programs that use ddate, e.g. freecraft and the games that use its engine." < 1312870719 720855 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pity it's not POSIX. < 1312870725 974676 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today is Sweetmorn,the 2nd day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3177 < 1312870741 531553 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the bot and I are on the same day, for once < 1312870760 552082 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, people who complain about that shouldn't see Xscreensaver. < 1312870767 847407 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last I checked that's full of Bob. < 1312870793 730443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ sdate ddate < 1312870794 970781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today is Sweetmorn, the 2nd day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3159 < 1312870799 661048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1312871193 583985 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It uses tm_yday and tm_year members; based on a quick look at the sdate sources, the septemberfy() function does not modify that. (Just tm_mon and tm_mday.) < 1312871208 56130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1312871251 127480 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise it would overflow the season; there's a while (funkychickens.day >= 73) { funkychickens.season++; funkychickens.day -= 73; } loop in ddate. < 1312871355 335902 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not the cleanest codebase of them all, what with lines like "wibble = snarf;" and "hastur = convert(bob, raw);". < 1312871379 349741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for me to go home, anyway < 1312871382 845624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1312871384 941769 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, it's ddate. < 1312871406 865372 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it were slackdate it'd have slack. But alas, it does not. < 1312871568 901367 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :util-linux 2.11z-3 "Drop ddate."; util-linux 2.11z-4 "Put ddate back in, just to keep the natives quiet." < 1312871580 45420 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1312872595 263817 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-14.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1312873484 555433 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1312876752 226154 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: it crashes my GPU <-- Hammerfight crashes X11 for me, cogs just crashes itself. < 1312876795 268503 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aquaria crashes itself for me. < 1312876802 232201 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011 - year of Linux on the desktop? < 1312876842 606691 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly Cogs too segfaulted at start-up, but only once. Don't know what was up with that. < 1312876884 494272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Aquaria being? < 1312876908 59911 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it was in the #1 bundle. < 1312876917 492443 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm on ATI, and catalyst. So I'm not terribly surprised stuff crashes for me < 1312876917 658185 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I got as part of the #2 one. < 1312876922 194326 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1312876935 723572 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, same deal with "more than average" as this time? < 1312876939 456162 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1312876949 424816 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They seem to have a hobbit of doing that. < 1312876957 479036 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1312876981 715521 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone suggested only purchasing every other bundle, to "optimize". < 1312877027 866608 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aquaria was good. < 1312877052 513086 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should try it on the laptop; only tried desktop so far. < 1312877195 784359 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have something like 15 bundle games still completely untested, sadly. < 1312877240 178434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Aquaria was good. <-- what sort of game is it? < 1312877258 247507 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Aquaria is a 2D sidescrolling action-adventure computer game" < 1312877262 216988 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Someone suggested only purchasing every other bundle, to "optimize". <-- I was thinking about that just before you said it, but the frozenbyte one breaks the pattern < 1312877280 320012 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw I found that steelstorm one quite fun < 1312877288 44733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't normally like that sort of game < 1312877313 290958 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, given that the two-in-one deals require above-average prices, the most optimal way (moneywise, I mean) would probably to get each bundle separately and pay $0.01 for each. < 1312877348 733844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, actually they gave it to everyone who got it before they announced the above-average this time. < 1312877351 182450 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1312877370 713287 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I heard so from a friend who got it on day 1, but was below average. < 1312877379 177155 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(personally I was above average) < 1312877414 70420 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, tried And Yet It Moves? < 1312877419 283216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is really great < 1312877458 830174 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : AYIM was all "can't find a suitable OpenGL visual" on both of the two computers I tried it on. But according to the forums it's a known bug, and there's a fixed build already in beta-testing. < 1312877464 688185 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh < 1312877488 64003 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://andyetitmoves.net/forum/index.php?topic=162.0 < 1312877506 139592 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw do we indie bundle buyers get future updates to things like VVVVV and AYIM? < 1312877529 959976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I don't get any sound in crayon physics for example < 1312877571 608913 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No clue. I would sort-of assume that they update the bundle download page packages, but perhaps not quite immediately. < 1312877595 483335 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1312877607 277214 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that was just a guess. < 1312877630 664100 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I have to say braid was bloody good < 1312877797 636068 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked the game, but I recall getting a bit of a "pretentious asshole" feel from something the author had written. Still, that was easy enough to ignore. < 1312877812 507054 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also (like others have commented) it's not very replayable after going through it once. < 1312877828 940193 :choochter!~choochter@84.93.59.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312877848 867658 :teuchter!~choochter@84.93.59.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312878072 391117 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that is true < 1312878104 129524 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure I can think of any very replayable platformers though. < 1312878128 261013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm randomised platformer maps? < 1312878134 619641 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never seen that < 1312878139 183824 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess it could work < 1312878170 271652 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Level design is hard enough for humans; getting something that's both fun and challenging out of rand() might be slightly difficult. < 1312878181 591215 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've seen it done either. < 1312878204 643034 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.supermariobrothers.org/infinite-mario.html < 1312878244 317713 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it is flash, can't play it. Is it any good? < 1312878286 364650 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mojang.com/notch/mario/ is Java < 1312878318 612643 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :java in browser, might work in appletviewer I guess < 1312878349 908227 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :loads in appletviewer, input broken < 1312878350 486304 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I think I saw that; also have seen one of those mario AIs been tested against random levels. < 1312878354 599774 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess I'll check another day < 1312878370 915441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl, several hours < 1312878832 874482 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1312878858 416310 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1312879221 229162 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best approach to take with a procedural platformer would be to take challenges, jumps, enemy placements and so on that are known to work and string them together < 1312879229 533390 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of like the infinite mode in megaman 10 but more flexible? < 1312879795 105811 :choochter!~choochter@84.93.59.129 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1312879807 222921 :teuchter!~choochter@84.93.59.129 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1312879845 130462 :choochter!~choochter@84.93.59.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312879855 30909 :teuchter!~choochter@84.93.59.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312880459 202505 :teuchter!~choochter@84.93.59.129 QUIT :Quit: lang may yer lum reek.. < 1312880826 594465 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: sleep < 1312881001 143421 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1312881259 137073 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know if XQuery's "return" is similar to Python's "yield"? < 1312881960 38833 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312881991 70951 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's quite as generic as a Python generator, but somewhat similar, yes; the other parts define a stream of values-for-the-variables, and then the "return" expression is evaluated for each set of values, and the result is a sequence of those. (Disclaimer: never actually *used* XQuery for reals.) < 1312882231 564751 :FireyFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1312882437 14505 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312882504 458525 :FireyFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Client Quit < 1312882514 204818 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1312882522 10440 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1312882716 367438 :FireyFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1312882922 182613 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312883109 119211 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1312883241 454419 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. < 1312883246 188780 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why arn't generators in Python callable? < 1312883302 915142 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python exec "def generator():\n\twhile True:\n\t\tyield 1\ngen=generator()\nprint gen.next()" < 1312883304 942301 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1312883309 820115 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python exec "def generator():\n\twhile True:\n\t\tyield 1\ngen=generator()\nprint gen()" < 1312883310 548695 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): < 1312883433 323645 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they just assume you'll always be using them in places such as for loops where the generator interface (.next()) is used implicitly. < 1312883491 509426 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you can use them in infinite loops as well < 1312883501 953724 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also pass things back and forth between them after you start them < 1312883677 554669 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you write coroutines with generators? < 1312883707 718459 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: not quite < 1312883720 74337 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on your definition of coroutines < 1312883741 499037 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might be able to get something similar < 1312883899 965914 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google finds at least one wrapper class that wraps a generator object into a class so that "foo()" does "foo.next()" and "foo(x)" does "foo.send(x)". < 1312883975 474582 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So seems that other people have also wanted that sort of syntactic sugar.) < 1312884020 318242 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that is pretty cool < 1312884243 949395 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think changing it now might break people's generators that have something for () already? < 1312884256 416808 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless a new () implementation shadowed the default generator one < 1312884333 714046 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think a generator can currently have anything for (), since you can't stick a __call__ attribute into the generator object. (That's why the wrapper class provides a separate class instead of mungling the generator.) < 1312884351 285901 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah, ok < 1312884352 852963 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why not do it? < 1312884380 253026 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually a bit surprised there doesn't seem to be a PEP for it. < 1312884392 801558 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps people just don't mind the .next/.send method names so much? < 1312884771 10255 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312884782 49005 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312884933 180835 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312885537 549260 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1312885690 818674 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1312885797 158408 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312886525 525199 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1312886578 641524 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1312886666 131424 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1312886679 89587 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1312889677 552900 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Quit: Ex-Chat < 1312889708 921143 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1312890190 326480 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meinaa nukahtaa. < 1312891136 317709 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312891223 797133 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I go to bed an hour and a half earlier than normal and I get up an hour later. < 1312891239 848032 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S NOT MEANT TO WORK THAT WAY < 1312892412 220565 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1312893228 147025 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312893379 208543 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1312895222 229264 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Sleep works in ~3-hour cycles. If your sleeping time presented an ideal wakeup time before, then your choices were to either wake up ~1.5 hours earlier or ~1.5 hours later. Since one factor in when we wake up is our environment (i.e. how light it is), you probably weren't inclined to choose the earlier. But waking up at your normal time was never an option. < 1312897322 538109 :choochter!~choochter@84.93.59.129 QUIT :Quit: lang may yer lum reek.. < 1312897660 604378 :burned!~burned@unaffiliated/burned PART :#esoteric < 1312898129 693442 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1312898590 174475 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1312898870 124462 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312899285 205707 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 . < 1312899550 286347 :FireyFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly NICK :FireFly < 1312900024 363084 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1312902342 750857 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1312903176 679954 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suggestion for a simple X window manager which needs only the left mouse button? < 1312903190 545844 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And has a menu) < 1312903198 314411 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And is not twm :P ) < 1312904231 89538 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sure, be anti-tiling. < 1312904459 677555 :jcp|1!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312904532 766619 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1312904568 175478 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Suggestion for a simple X window manager which needs only the left mouse button? < 1312904576 661182 :jcp|other!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1312904581 870206 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What X window manager *do* you need the right mouse button for? < 1312904794 782890 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312904815 284607 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh, sure, be anti-tiling. < 1312904820 195190 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :twm... isn't tiling? < 1312904980 886683 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the fruit-based metaphor < 1312904986 516054 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have irssi displaying on a pear. < 1312905000 769378 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in one of my many fruit baskets. < 1312905079 299297 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1312905138 402703 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "has a menu" is fairly anti-tiling though. < 1312905291 589559 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-12.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1312905470 566660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1312906862 442904 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Many of the desktop-menu ones need the right mouse button to access the menu < 1312907081 359942 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 TOPIC #esoteric :Don't enjoy unlocking the matrix of chloride, please. | wget -s 42 redpill | man mouth | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1312907342 918772 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312907641 619682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:15:42: zzo38: you would like a man who goes by the nick betta_y_omega < 1312907641 801604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:17:14: very much into difficult existential observations, just as you seem to be. < 1312907643 85315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1312907662 635516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wipes tears from eyes
< 1312907727 692910 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF, VVVVVV < 1312907739 515681 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why < 1312907740 969719 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what? < 1312907745 633806 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a giant crying elephant < 1312907758 528428 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No, I am not Satan) < 1312907769 910268 :Taneb_!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312907777 634973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:19:56: By the way, folks in here might like this question of mine on Programmers.SE: http://programmers.stackexchange.com/q/99582/2107 < 1312907777 707987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed you were linking this as a stupid question before i read the rest of the line < 1312907788 851561 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1312907797 690357 :Taneb_!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb < 1312907804 975724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But there seems to be a broad consensus that Lisp represents the theoretical pinnacle of programming language design." < 1312907806 579717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahahauaihuifkjgfdjdkfg < 1312907811 954956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Which I guess amounts to questioning whether the lambda calculus is in fact the ideal abstraction of computation." < 1312907818 44382 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone cites Clojure as being better. < 1312907822 46704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes Lisp is definitely the closest possible language to the lambda calculus < 1312907832 455740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the stupidest question i've ever read good lord < 1312907855 534198 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if, just maybe, liking Clojure is not grounds for immediate hatred.
< 1312907871 626040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The guy behind Arcane Sentiment likes Clojure well enough, so it isn't < 1312907872 843904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1312907878 593435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try not to be a Stanislav. < 1312907892 96127 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but... you know what happened when I talked to the Clojurians. < 1312907909 650550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, so the IRC channel is of especially bad quality. < 1312907941 333378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rich Hickey seems intelligent enough; I remember looking into Clojure when he announced it on reddit years ago. < 1312907951 501859 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1312908050 857654 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best automated customer support line ever. It's open only until 6pm for June-August, but the recently mailed letter didn't say so. Calling the number gives a recording which requests an account number and a personal passcode, and says "if you don't have a passcode, you can order it by calling [the same number I'm calling to]", and nowhere in the recording does it bother to mention that all their humans have left the building already. < 1312908082 227818 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the website does list the summer opening hours. < 1312908107 117992 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's wrong with Clojure? < 1312908124 292808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:13:50: also I have to say braid was bloody good < 1312908124 460756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:16:37: I liked the game, but I recall getting a bit of a "pretentious asshole" feel from something the author had written. Still, that was easy enough to ignore. < 1312908135 30022 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, more importantly I guess, what makes appreciation of a language a fault in character. < 1312908144 533320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I had this feeling that he was that type, but it was the "abstraction is totally bad, doods" programming talk he gave that made me start my seething rage subprocess. < 1312908152 227379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also known as: the process that dominates my system.) < 1312908164 933439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: You'd talk to a PHP fan? < 1312908168 68997 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, the time I went into the IRC channel I spent ages trying to overcome the consensus that O(log_32(n)) == O(ln n)/ < 1312908168 455065 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: dynamic typing = pinnacle of programming language design < 1312908174 768998 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sure. I don't agree though. < 1312908186 758239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: See, you're CakeProphet, so I don't know whether you're joking or being serious. < 1312908188 310144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please clarify. < 1312908200 540945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: =/=, surely. < 1312908208 948940 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, duh. < 1312908217 761094 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: first statement was serious. second was serious. < 1312908224 988695 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...er first statement was joking. :P < 1312908233 727368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Sorry you're already on /ignore :-P < 1312908239 822852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOREVEVR < 1312908243 223548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I can't type. < 1312908327 750615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:07:02: Phantom_Hoover: Sleep works in ~3-hour cycles. If your sleeping time presented an ideal wakeup time before, then your choices were to either wake up ~1.5 hours earlier or ~1.5 hours later. Since one factor in when we wake up is our environment (i.e. how light it is), you probably weren't inclined to choose the earlier. But waking up at your normal time was never an option. < 1312908339 214197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Citation? I've never heard this but I should probably pay attention if it's true/ < 1312908339 951110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1312908359 638930 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm slightly sceptical that sleep is aligned to 3-hour periods. < 1312908366 789046 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what's the alignment held by? < 1312908407 166488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weeeell, there is the circadian rhythm body clock crap, so it /could/ be true, but I'm gonna hold out on a citation. < 1312908408 745678 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You can add __attribute__ ((aligned (1))) to your sleep to get unaligned sleep. < 1312908654 989171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean, what's the alignment held by? <-- those radio clock signals. Yet another reason for a tinfoil hat < 1312908706 617683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I seem to remember hearing about a 3 hour cycle thingy when sleeping, never heard anything about it being aligned to anything in specific < 1312908725 508370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like pop science bull to me, at least at first glance < 1312908741 273772 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is < 1312908762 151310 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1312908857 165243 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok just to put things into perspective, say what you will of my next statement but the science of sleep will be used by evil people < 1312908901 401353 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like, just imagine if you can set off an atomic bomb inside someones mind < 1312908911 998089 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :metaphorically < 1312908933 114904 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :psychology is probably looking for the great mental nuke < 1312908934 234002 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will we have......... < 1312908949 56010 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sleep schedule bombs < 1312908957 379672 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep#Physiology <-- "In humans, each sleep cycle lasts from 90 to 110 minutes on average." < 1312908962 286050 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm doesn't really fit 3 hours < 1312908963 870662 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at all < 1312908997 657673 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :control over our minds and our thoughts requires some degree of harmony with the environment around us < 1312909026 94606 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the use of quantum mechanics to prove that our minds are not material? < 1312909045 255585 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^indicator that I think this is going into pseudoscience territory < 1312909069 308639 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :they apparently don't know exactly what triggers sleep yet < 1312909076 283567 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, as the official science consultant I say it's fine. < 1312909076 450252 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if they do they're keeping awfully quiet about it < 1312909080 789866 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thunderstorm, bbl < 1312909106 191737 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lightning strike, lightning strike, lightning strike. < 1312909113 717061 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like to me its a kind of distributed defence against an external force controlling ones sleep < 1312909133 373253 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :distributing the causes of sleep widely < 1312909182 516225 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the 1% benefit of this control, is 99% disaster < 1312909189 231873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :death causes sleep < 1312909224 462133 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :death is a mystery too right? < 1312909232 100831 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1312909244 506186 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have no idea what causes it. < 1312909245 37346 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the eidetic reduction of sleep and death remain elusive < 1312909262 748049 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :life begats deaths. < 1312909266 889248 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't eidetic a thing with your memory? < 1312909291 76958 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :eidetic reduction is a thing i stumbled on in a wiki page once... you guys probably know it by a better name < 1312909293 231422 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"eidetic reduction, in phenomenology, a method by which the philosopher moves from the consciousness of individual and concrete objects to the transempirical realm of pure essences and thus achieves an intuition of the eidos (Greek: “shape”) of a thing" < 1312909294 554306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's a kind of cheese. < 1312909297 465941 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, makes sense now. < 1312909305 327900 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just pretentious bullshit. < 1312909310 211913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transempirical. < 1312909311 448405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best word. < 1312909333 259240 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :java interfaces. < 1312909336 915531 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :are eidetic. < 1312909345 208991 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can put trans- or quasi- in front of any desirable adjective and immediately you can use it for anything. < 1312909348 270677 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's like asking "What _is_ a chair, and chairness"? < 1312909362 268178 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net NICK :WhatIsAChair < 1312909366 699635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quasieidetic. < 1312909367 32945 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think its related to parameterization < 1312909368 450805 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is transquasichairness < 1312909368 899798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312909378 294821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Traansparameterisation < 1312909380 37587 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, *metaparameterisation < 1312909386 307769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quasimetatransparameterisation. < 1312909396 352480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the sound of it is something quite atrocious < 1312909402 707228 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :parameterization is much of a nicer word < 1312909409 850223 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*supratrocious < 1312909423 844823 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, *circumnicer < 1312909424 344899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you say it loud enough you'll always sound quasimetatransprecocious < 1312909433 885242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quasimetatranscircumparameterisation < 1312909446 663868 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you forgot supra. < 1312909463 721344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You just don't understand ologyology. < 1312909463 806693 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :people use big words around me.. i go on wiki.. find a few new big words.. im just an agent of these words < 1312909474 284914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: the words are controlling you < 1312909489 372608 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the words call me to a higher existence. < 1312909496 389560 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do their will as it is my own. < 1312909507 27274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anything more powerful than quasimetatranscircumparameterisation < 1312909511 106510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in this joke quasimetatranscircumparameterisation stands in for lisp) < 1312909534 141549 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, your knowledge is measured by the length of the words it's expressed in, after all. < 1312909540 92175 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words.. < 1312909544 247979 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i meant to say was < 1312909565 534541 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :superextraintersubquasimetatranscircumparameterisation < 1312909591 118829 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION stops. Backs up a second. Sometimes I try to squeeze what i'm trying to say into some obscure word which doesn't mean what I want it to mean.
< 1312909618 902376 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*contramean < 1312909662 714038 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :The minimal state of things which makes something go from being awake to asleep.. alive to dead < 1312909686 112221 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :minimal as in minimal *shrugs shoulders* < 1312909771 891758 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*iridiminimal < 1312909771 964247 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(iridi- is not a real prefix, I just made it up and it probably means rainbows.) < 1312909784 148500 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :we know that chopping off the head of an animal with a head will usually kill it < 1312909867 713287 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :which could be related to destroying the circulatory and respitory systems < 1312909876 553952 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you're saying that going to sleep is basically having your head chopped off? < 1312909900 530658 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then does saying something make it true? :3 < 1312909905 694171 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's nothing to do with either, it's because life is more or less defined in terms of brain activity and decapitation removes the energy supply to the brain. < 1312909906 443148 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sits in his armchair.
< 1312909912 449691 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, AHA I KNEW YOU WERE LYMEE ALL ALONG < 1312909916 367286 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know giving someone tranquilizers is likely to put them to sleep < 1312909920 312460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: AHA SO PLANTS ARE DEAD < 1312909927 275564 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :plants don't die easy < 1312909938 921928 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheheh < 1312909942 723257 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well OK among things that have a brain it is. < 1312909949 362001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That's brainism. < 1312909953 639509 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :plants are resilient motherfuckers < 1312909968 486886 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what gave it away? < 1312909974 425295 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: also, what? < 1312909988 718001 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the brain is almost always the central control system so removing it breaks all the rest sooner or later. < 1312910014 768560 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also because the supply systems to it are so integral that their removal disrupts the whole network. < 1312910029 576159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=661719 < 1312910031 376507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor....................... < 1312910038 219856 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-12.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :not nice to discriminate against non-brainers < 1312910041 612026 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :death is absence of what constitutes life in something that once had it. < 1312910066 30706 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... the idea of a human living without a brain freaks us all out massively < 1312910089 243995 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :related to the zombie fear < 1312910114 993511 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :even zombies have brains right.. skeletons don't though < 1312910132 386640 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, no it doesn't, it's a regular occurence. < 1312910169 172364 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Brendan made me do it! < 1312910191 705563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You're in the habit of listening to the kind of person who does things like invent JavaScript? < 1312910211 536219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (I was googling JSMIPS because I want to figure out how MIPS works without doing any actual work.) < 1312910247 589098 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It was at a talk at Mozilla :P < 1312910263 139646 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ashton Kutcher has publicly stated that he is afraid of his wife Demi Moore's collection of dolls, having grown-up watching Child's Play as a kid." < 1312910264 221086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: If Eich told you to jump off a cliff would you do it?????????????????????? < 1312910272 225780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: If Eich told you to use IE would you do it????????????? < 1312910273 280903 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we should do away with all programming languages because elliott doesn't like any of them. < 1312910291 268089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: True statements: I am always serious all the time and mocking JavaScript is unreasonable. < 1312910294 248580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAIT, by true I mean false. < 1312910311 312081 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you know what would be a cool graph? "If X told Y to jump off a cliff, would they do it?" < 1312910322 868445 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, also he likes languages that don't exist because he hasn't had time to hate them. < 1312910338 373741 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact is that some instances hte answer is yes < 1312910347 582676 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a balancing factor in the power dynamics of the world < 1312910373 898825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Look at these posers: https://github.com/Esteth/JSMips < 1312910379 153696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CoffeeScript: SO NOT JAVASCRIPT??? < 1312910384 971642 :WhatIsAChair!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does "power dynamics" and "balancing factor" actually represent anything in the real world? < 1312910393 615875 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be false for all X that can't jump off of cliffs. < 1312910400 173288 :WhatIsAChair!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, ok, "power dynamics" does, I guess, but "balancing factor"? < 1312910406 725752 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which becomes ambiguous if we interpret the sentence metaphorically. < 1312910407 252443 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: well thats a start < 1312910412 46102 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :can a marriage jump off of a cliff? < 1312910413 97888 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WhatIsAChair, try not to know the mind of itidus. < 1312910430 340446 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i was thinking of humans :P < 1312910430 509643 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, yes, if the wedding is on a giant robot < 1312910437 302450 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, but a marriage can't be told things. < 1312910442 87633 :WhatIsAChair!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what would happen if itidus20 was in #jesus
< 1312910449 43733 :WhatIsAChair!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would there be an explosion? < 1312910451 783446 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WhatIsAChair, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE < 1312910452 722491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BTW, any citation on that three-hour sleep remark? < 1312910453 432581 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and.. also.. presuming that this statement can be translated into any language < 1312910456 138454 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION joins #jesus
< 1312910473 698675 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312910496 134166 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, people love to use the cliff jumper statement casually.. but it has meaning < 1312910529 81594 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :X is likely to be percieved by Y as an authority figure < 1312910541 88243 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else why would Y be listening to X at all < 1312910541 816205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add immediate addi $t,$s,C $t = $s + C (signed) < 1312910542 335671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add immediate unsigned addiu $t,$s,C $t = $s + C (signed) < 1312910546 456695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, surely "C (unsigned)"...? < 1312910561 979598 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Y is unassertive, then Y will percieve a larger set X < 1312910568 712764 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say < 1312910577 231888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, clearly Gregor's problems are because he coded his emulator based on Wikipedia. < 1312910584 882343 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nope, it's probably just a folk tale :P < 1312910603 566815 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Milgram wondered about this. < 1312910615 938443 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Milgram asked you to shock a guy, would you? < 1312910616 308888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could do an /unsigned/ add with a /signed/ constant < 1312910620 57192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But would that even mean anyting < 1312910621 572269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything < 1312910646 885557 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sort of related... only a little bit < 1312910663 281711 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, please join #jesus pleeeaaaaasssseeee. < 1312910690 695684 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Additionally, your presence is requested in #jesus. < 1312910699 814704 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :#jesus was created by the large hadron collider < 1312910707 342083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... < 1312910716 282034 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, yes please look at it and find out more. < 1312910725 260658 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fear i would never escape < 1312910729 650840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: WhatIsAChair < 1312910730 399780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: < 1312910730 907581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM < 1312910732 466728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A DIFFERENT < 1312910733 351556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PERSON < 1312910733 701349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1312910734 400946 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONE OF US < 1312910735 483920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OBVIOUSLY < 1312910736 483779 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONE OF US < 1312910793 426391 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah.. i don't like to go to a room and pick fights < 1312910811 955757 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, we don't want fights. < 1312910820 857409 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fights are the exact opposite of what we want. < 1312910822 508048 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We just want you < 1312910825 534793 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We want actual discussion. < 1312910825 615552 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :baby < 1312910849 430301 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1312910856 73526 :WhatIsAChair!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Sgeo < 1312910952 628265 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seek the one true language. < 1312910952 794717 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going off topic anyway.. < 1312910960 227037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>going < 1312910961 274832 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill simmer down < 1312910973 492915 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312911277 20409 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to the lack of QUIT commands in the log file, it makes it difficult to use AWK and stuff to check for things I might want to check for. Can Gregor correct this? < 1312911287 522792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :use the raw logs < 1312911397 54324 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Perl. < 1312911411 136766 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the trick is that i keep fuelling my steam engine... so that i don't have to force myself into a rant... but that my environment draws a rant out of me. that is how i like it < 1312911479 723130 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, are you a 300-pound matronly freight train. < 1312911491 865593 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is like uh... you can drill anywhere deep enough and create a lava pool ya know < 1312911499 786754 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lava is always waiting for the drill < 1312911569 535591 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ive got issues < 1312911631 465098 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lava... isn't *waiting* for the drill. < 1312911636 350106 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just *there*. < 1312911677 84140 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That doesn't help < 1312911694 872580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you can get raw logs for the whole day < 1312911696 648928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that includes all channels < 1312911698 516018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those include QUIT < 1312911700 463355 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1312911707 720973 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :reification fallacy < 1312911715 441021 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :good show < 1312911737 82985 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it really should log those things in the formatted logs, though. < 1312911746 158110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should. < 1312911746 241600 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to learn my fallacies. < 1312911752 266528 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK. Yes, those ones do. But the individual channell logs do not. I think I understand why, although I think it should be corrected anyways. < 1312911786 360334 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, memorising fallacies won't make you think logically. < 1312911791 652693 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learning to think logically will. < 1312911800 271785 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1312911805 585766 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1312911817 481889 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think logically all the time. < 1312911822 293407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1312911841 607538 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does elliott. < 1312911852 292581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is true < 1312911865 205428 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott and I are quite alike. < 1312911878 114495 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I am talking about unformatted logs < 1312911884 889674 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like bears. I want a programming language with bears. < 1312911892 552149 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and forests of grazing deer. < 1312911913 166248 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Then invent one in esolang wiki. < 1312911922 919770 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I'm thinking about it. < 1312912051 271224 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that inventing a language is an art. < 1312912075 675671 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be interesting to simulate an ecosystem as a programming model\. < 1312912092 505745 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :where life acts as code and data. < 1312912191 24470 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you already have a PC... and the CPU already has as many instructions as it will ever have.. so that tells us a language is not about making a PC do low level things that it couldn't do before < 1312912197 970850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ahahaha did luke-jr really just < 1312912207 45637 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: sure. < 1312912216 806986 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the means of expression that is important. < 1312912221 126727 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, he considers all non-Catholics to be heretics < 1312912226 73283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1312912226 906866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1312912227 910527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :glorious < 1312912235 698584 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i wish my statement could be perfect.. but it is useless empty words < 1312912247 198919 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it collapses under its own weight < 1312912250 831252 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and the current Papacy too < 1312912276 205916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: oh < 1312912277 75387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1312912286 527537 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: nah it's just not detailed. abstract thought doesn't really have to be very specific to be helpful or constructive. < 1312912301 405335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prayer: The same thing as meditation. < 1312912315 658870 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the fact that the Christians in #jesus evidently hate each other as much as anyone else. < 1312912336 211347 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : ....pwnted. < 1312912340 326483 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that word is not allowed. < 1312912342 733909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the problem with #jesus is that they let atheists who are open about it in < 1312912352 273371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: and they ruin the atmosphere :( < 1312912358 414405 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: so.. standard libraries... they get connected to languages < 1312912365 294832 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice they may infact be a part of the language < 1312912368 314574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did try /msging one of those people. < 1312912389 823389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the... guy with japan in his name was particularly bad < 1312912393 277853 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And another who may have just been a sane Christian; he called me a troll and /ignored me. < 1312912409 744745 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is completely unfair, since I'm not trolling anyone and never have. < 1312912409 845100 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, who? < 1312912415 418866 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheery, IIRC. < 1312912420 872698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1312912423 675680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheery has been in here < 1312912424 552543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1312912429 45623 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that name only rings the faintest of bells < 1312912431 896481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1312912433 434066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that guy < 1312912434 848592 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just gently leading them along the path they're going along. < 1312912435 182483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the .cockfile guy < 1312912436 733488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote cock < 1312912439 745695 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :57) ??? Are the cocks actually just implanted dildos? Or are there monster dildos and cocks? Or are both the dildos and cocks monster? \ 299) The context is Gracenotes releasing an illegal copy of a film about monster cock dildos. \ 391) [...] OOPS.. my cockfile got < 1312912442 666741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote cockfile < 1312912443 905877 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :391) [...] OOPS.. my cockfile got destroyed < 1312912447 750823 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they can be defined by the language or built-in to the runtime < 1312912455 237161 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: ^ < 1312912463 158705 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they extend what the human can do at least < 1312912467 122246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, hang on, it was after I turned on XChat logs. < 1312912470 157535 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll check them. < 1312912483 232839 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :which defeats my first comment < 1312912490 634456 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1312912502 368779 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hummm < 1312912555 974321 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, it was char|ie. < 1312912563 181533 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have the very lowest level supplied to you.. the asm/machine language level.. that is a given.. video, audio, keyboard, disk I/O, RAM.. also a given < 1312912574 12998 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that name also rings a faint bell < 1312912584 234480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hmm, wait, does pthing identify as christian in hash-jesus? < 1312912594 960336 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think so < 1312912613 554978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1312912622 711485 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the CPU isn't really aware of all the other hardware < 1312912633 520496 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the only thing that is aware is the human.... < 1312912636 943772 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops im using wrong words again < 1312912651 991041 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought he identifies as no such thing in #not-math < 1312912693 935293 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPU doesn't have many (if any) instructions for dealing with the various hardware < 1312912720 542073 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the instructions revolve around the registers and ram < 1312912736 490433 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo> Pthing, do you identify as Christian? < 1312912736 656029 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : of course < 1312912756 793651 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has the ports and interrupts but it doesn't really go further than that.. < 1312912770 104567 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would they feel about a Discordian, I wonder? < 1312912782 47200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: identifying as christian in hash-jesus doesn't make one christian, naturally < 1312912785 316769 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: There exists precisely one builtin API for dealing with the hardware on common PC systems. < 1312912789 821617 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, funny, it has more than enough instructions to. < 1312912791 749640 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: BIOS. And it sucks. < 1312912805 326215 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I suppose ACPI too. And it sucks harder. < 1312912831 3264 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the XChat command for NUL? < 1312912849 658203 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats ACPI about? < 1312912866 269386 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1312912870 454794 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312912881 94592 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C'mon guys I'm counting on you < 1312912883 233944 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This: http://i.imgur.com/k8zrC.jpg < 1312912904 190747 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: ACPI is about various forms of power management. < 1312912909 933716 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1312912912 212144 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also one of the dozen or so ways of shutting off a PC. < 1312912914 44645 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't sure < 1312912932 34370 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helo. < 1312912935 452632 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :do most standard libs use BIOS? or do any reimplement BIOS? < 1312912936 961787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he,ia,el < 1312912937 227189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :, < 1312912939 140031 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that's not it. < 1312912946 670588 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it inefficient to reimplement BIOS? < 1312912947 881596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: just paste in a NUL, dude < 1312912950 683911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your clipboard can handle it < 1312912955 545772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xchat might not even be able to < 1312912956 549202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because gtk < 1312912962 806715 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: No, the BIOS sucks so damned much that it's utterly ignored by the time you're in 32-bit execution. < 1312912964 786053 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but I'm sure there was one! < 1312912965 717468 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly sooner. < 1312912967 147855 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A usable one! < 1312912980 180646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: settings->advanced->keyboard shortcuts < 1312912989 700308 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was pitiful *even on the original IBM PC*. < 1312912989 810685 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1312913004 416980 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol CakeProphet < 1312913007 856549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: boring < 1312913011 902739 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowadays, the BIOS is an overblown boot loader. < 1312913012 652823 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: ok. sorry to respond to every question with an inference, but, so the BIOS is replaced by the OS APIs then? < 1312913021 909454 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^to every reply with an inference < 1312913023 484965 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well I wasn't really going to plan anything clever. < 1312913031 937610 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Yes. Completely and utterly replaced. < 1312913064 357510 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the point where if they could actually remove the BIOS from memory (it's in ROM that's always mapped into physical memory space), they would. < 1312913079 400723 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can, in fact, remove it while the system's running to no ill effect. < 1312913083 326854 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :=P < 1312913083 885325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every Christian swear filter IRC ban thing after http://bash.org/?178890 sucks. < 1312913127 262248 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this, incidentally, is one of the ways of getting coreboot on a system without making it impossible to go back to the original BIOS) < 1312913152 24479 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about that one where where luke-jr mentioned some Latin paper and got kicked for saying cum? < 1312913187 24518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: ok that was good. < 1312913194 916841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I may not categorize people based on beliefs, but that... yeah... pass me a woodchipper and that guys personals < 1312913201 699303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I require your personal ads. < 1312913207 893146 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to the benefits of driver abstraction layers noone would want to reimplement API functionality except in extreme cases. < 1312913217 727267 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lol < 1312913220 384601 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For pulping < 1312913220 467917 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't have any. < 1312913232 364030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile, Sgeo practices the ancient Christian tradition of self-incriminating. < 1312913240 511884 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SWP seeking cake < 1312913263 775402 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Experience tells us that hardware manufacturers universally suck, and should never be trusted to implement code. < 1312913288 805958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: * angelBot removes ban on *!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake < 1312913291 810034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Just so you know. < 1312913299 924807 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1312913346 290403 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I have surmised that when building a language, the CPU was the wrong place for me to look. < 1312913354 499742 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Linux has a giant swath of workarounds for things like vendor's ACPI stacks. < 1312913367 788404 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now EFI. < 1312913387 180449 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *really* doesn't help that their idea of "done" means "Windows boots". < 1312913388 930340 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312913412 978405 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: why would you even start there in the first place? < 1312913449 189611 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In short: the PC architecture is terrible, the first thing anyone on bare hardware should do is abstract it out of existence. < 1312913451 123496 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in the end the language will become a stream of machine code < 1312913481 982615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1312913488 297428 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it will be the input to someone elses stream of machine code. < 1312913493 628338 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the case of an interpreter. < 1312913509 527630 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the stream analogy is very broken < 1312913521 434532 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if one considers threads and multicores < 1312913525 272124 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: This should frighten you, but every single OS in use abstracts most the hardware nearly out of existence. < 1312913544 158957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: good to know < 1312913550 151523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(misping?) < 1312913599 553616 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i am looking at the givens. < 1312913609 230227 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: More misthink. :P < 1312913653 922729 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: yet ironically it all rests within the hardware which it abstracts < 1312913679 484330 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wjat < 1312913692 558523 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. It probably wouldn't take much effort to make Linux into a VM... < 1312913706 421583 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much is too much < 1312913716 148888 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hardware provides the physical space for the information space of the OS < 1312913716 985145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: see UML < 1312913717 320523 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not worth the effort, though. < 1312913730 257469 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, I mean in the sense of JVM. < 1312913762 290939 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I do not have any intent of doing this at all. < 1312913797 465431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : not that that bothers me, but is definitely not appropriate for clicking by any other than the target < 1312913802 331302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: please offer to link it directly to CakeProphet < 1312913804 916181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or Phantom_Hoover < 1312913807 695587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is your duty as a good person < 1312913823 369649 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwhat < 1312913837 674490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I have an awesome .gif for responding to uncalled for douchery, but it contains unwholesome language :( < 1312913848 893932 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow they're so easy to offend. < 1312913858 626750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: also you're being a fuckwit. < 1312913863 504978 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is douchery an unwholesome language < 1312913877 573482 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312913889 164386 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: /me claps < 1312913948 167450 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :darkmatter has moved me with his gif. < 1312913950 309623 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :The abstract machine on which a language is implemented is likely to be no lower than the OS. < 1312913964 103788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: You can't say that and then not link it. < 1312913973 493326 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: what < 1312914007 260930 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net NICK :myndzi < 1312914007 929738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://i.imgur.com/Fajmt.gif < 1312914008 260844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's apparently being passed around by Sgeo by PM < 1312914011 599999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: saved you the effort < 1312914024 802402 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, in other words my statement is: most compilers and interpreters require an OS. < 1312914026 855187 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ...also, are you saying my mspa and bloodninja references followed by flagrant Jesus pornography was unjustified on #jesus? < 1312914041 184974 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I disagree passionately. < 1312914047 520655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: yes. if you're going to be a dick to them at least make it amusing < 1312914058 338561 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, in fact, it is the reason for that channel's existence. < 1312914063 100872 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have fulfilled its purpose. < 1312914064 994655 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: that hardly makes one necessary < 1312914067 420876 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Flagrant Jesus Pornography is the name of my next nonfiction book < 1312914110 411088 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my approach is not sophisticated enough for you, yes? < 1312914113 566428 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: so i don't see the relevance of your statements < 1312914115 712742 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://marcansoft.com/transf/nandcat1.png < 1312914119 585548 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: but even the people here are rarely so masochistic as to do it without one < 1312914125 442713 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cycle "nand" < 1312914126 421921 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "nandnandnandnandnandnandnandnandnandnandnandnandnandnandnandnandnandnandna... < 1312914151 848135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if the thing is a thing < 1312914186 411723 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/Fajmt.gif < 1312914189 849926 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is still offended by nyan cat not appearing in the original video where it used to
< 1312914191 52416 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the gif btw. < 1312914195 978073 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, yes, we know < 1312914198 226276 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit too later < 1312914201 320538 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: to be honest i don't have any idea what can be done without an OS < 1312914205 848958 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ah, I thought elliott said to link it.. < 1312914210 247821 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps he was talking to someone else. < 1312914212 910151 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: ok < 1312914224 378439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: the exact same as can be done with an OS < 1312914235 462094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Sgeo is still offended by nyan cat not appearing in the original video where it used to < 1312914235 960682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1312914237 299632 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :does one fall back on the BIOS then? < 1312914251 594462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: no, one just uses the same code to accomplish a task as the OS does. < 1312914262 866554 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats masochistic :D < 1312914268 160936 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... uh.. < 1312914269 172898 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the ... bar thing < 1312914274 319760 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :coding it from scratch is masochistic. < 1312914274 570512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: and therefore impossible? < 1312914276 456438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: scrubber. < 1312914276 634492 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312914282 212458 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the haps my friends. < 1312914283 350504 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :could a brainfuck interpreter be created on which an OS could be implemented? < 1312914293 734108 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a few changes perhaps < 1312914295 280901 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Flagrant Jesus Pornography < 1312914306 606205 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not by the original definition of the language. < 1312914319 363477 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... actually, yes. < 1312914333 745959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: only if it can do everything the machine language can do, IO-wise. (please don't start CakeProphet) < 1312914348 701199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(proof: just write out the machine code for the OS, and jump to it) < 1312914355 666114 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1312914355 945818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that isn't really IO < 1312914368 123772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, uhh, it's a trivial answer, but with messy definitions, so let's just ignore the question < 1312914378 882745 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah sounds good. < 1312914397 961550 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be kinda cool though < 1312914431 126010 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about taking minix and translating it into BF < 1312914443 876106 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1312914445 503801 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :an extended BF which can do what is necesary < 1312914470 840056 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1312914477 205669 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, extended BF. < 1312914488 992084 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use BF as an OS, but not alone. < 1312914489 408833 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an idea which has spawned countless fell things. < 1312914499 593714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: DF addiction detected. < 1312914502 613880 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i mean by afk is < 1312914511 920487 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see how dumb it is.. ill make a coffe instead < 1312914517 274300 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh FFS it's a perfectly cromulent word. < 1312914534 822702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Which Humble Bundle game should I try first. < 1312914538 757533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote what i mean by afk is i can see how dumb it is.. ill make a coffe instead < 1312914539 796251 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :572) what i mean by afk is i can see how dumb it is.. ill make a coffe instead < 1312914548 50267 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom is germane here, I think. < 1312914565 760180 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I went for Braid, TbH. < 1312914575 961013 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the concept interested me and I'd already looked at it. < 1312914581 34351 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you already have it sooo.... < 1312914593 577009 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1312914594 732601 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :8) TODO: sex life < 1312914610 475791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't. I haven't played any of the previous bundle games. < 1312914614 109998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bad at life. < 1312914617 980875 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1312914628 817304 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got mad life-skills. < 1312914642 511325 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im baddest < 1312914651 767354 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I randomly click squares and then they explode. < 1312914661 195583 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even do that < 1312914662 861407 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need for gliders and shit. < 1312914696 740863 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Braid++ < 1312914711 617911 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah let's just increment everything. < 1312914732 653550 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont beleive in incremetn < 1312914735 18948 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :++C++ < 1312914747 695603 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :++C-- < 1312914819 753881 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf+[+] < 1312914821 132412 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :--n < 1312914821 650616 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I still find Braid slightly insane. < 1312914857 312409 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :insane? < 1312914882 222950 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the levels seem... impossible. < 1312914887 27827 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting all the damn puzzle pieces is such a shore < 1312914888 563281 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chore < 1312914889 657519 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or more accurately some of the puzzle pieces. < 1312914891 342231 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1312914896 701503 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to work to get that one < 1312914899 248769 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know the one < 1312914914 932178 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I came back I spent a half hour rewinding just to get on that fucking cloud < 1312914946 689607 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, it's not just a matter of precision, I can see no way at all it's possible based on the data available about the level. < 1312915005 531625 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, one of the early ones? < 1312915009 635944 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, that's a star < 1312915012 954859 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a puzzle piece < 1312915035 112138 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, wait, are you talking about something else? < 1312915043 787826 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've forgotten < 1312915047 252421 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was forever ago < 1312915054 445295 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be a star < 1312915058 993040 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably is < 1312915119 470377 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1312915129 813897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1312915163 628505 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, tonnes of them. < 1312915169 906630 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i just had an idea < 1312915178 947735 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :dun dun dunnn < 1312915193 347910 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wuzzat? < 1312915195 418012 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzle game based on life. (i suppose like everything under the sun it has already been done) < 1312915218 983498 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :life the game or... the game of life... or life the... life? < 1312915231 227190 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would get a finite set of live cell chips.. and a pre-layed out board.. and you have to position those chips to bring about a certain event < 1312915232 115721 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GoL, I suspect. < 1312915248 117619 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone who's heard of it has thought "what if I made it into..... A REAL GAME" < 1312915253 225680 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you proceed to the next stage < 1312915253 651715 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, it doesn't work out. < 1312915259 746824 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1312915261 796949 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Life constructions are waaaaay too fragile. < 1312915287 576664 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most resilient can asymptotically resist less than half the gliders fired at it IIRC. < 1312915303 708353 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, is there a proof of that? < 1312915310 513397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Just stack an infinite number of them together PERFECTION. < 1312915319 938805 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the idea would be to say, for each stage, make the level turn to all dead cells < 1312915329 724623 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a finite pile of live cells < 1312915334 447582 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, fine, the most resilient known. < 1312915336 135519 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: That's really hard < 1312915343 678227 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a chain of eater 2s. < 1312915345 119514 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you would have very simple puzzles < 1312915347 615253 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on the size of the pile, and the layout < 1312915359 821318 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*double-sided eater 2s < 1312915401 618080 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be you have to place all the cells in one go < 1312915407 796429 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and watch to see if it works < 1312915430 617926 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: That sounds exactly like GoL, but with goals < 1312915461 946850 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the goal of reducing it to all dead cells seems the most workable < 1312915600 348235 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not. < 1312915611 955741 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Engineering in Life is a very sterile process. < 1312915650 650287 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Putting everything behind an ash shield is more or less the only way to stop it exploding from stray gliders, and then how do you interact with the outside world? < 1312915656 397639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: help what do you prescribe for someone who read the latest Dinosaur Comic and now can't stop laughing. < 1312915697 434227 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :acid. < 1312915714 760593 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait you want to fix that. < 1312915723 568114 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still acid < 1312915724 654467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I wonder whether I should make this GPipe change the overly-general way or the ugly way. < 1312915765 91185 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you even asking that question when you already know the answer? < 1312915781 479575 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no question mark. SLY DOG. < 1312915784 942159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well the former would have a runtime speed penalty, I think. < 1312915811 372951 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way to have both? < 1312915822 668394 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :have the ugly way as a special case? < 1312915827 524196 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both the ugliness and the speed penalty. < 1312915843 741296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: No real way to overcome typeclass overhead. < 1312915854 905035 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you're right. mathematical games and john nash games do not deserve to be video games. < 1312915857 999451 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there like a specialize pragma or something? < 1312915858 248314 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :special cases suck, should die < 1312915879 257061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: It... wouldn't work here. < 1312915981 446816 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=2015 < 1312915983 648681 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312915987 714019 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is my prescription < 1312915997 366624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one isn't as good. < 1312916044 899477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : esoteric religions have never been as popular as exoteric ones < 1312916045 416595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : they're harder work < 1312916052 725450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :story of our lives < 1312916106 989326 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-12.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: bedtime < 1312916290 767514 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1312916339 365164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i wonder if < 1312916460 426836 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I could make days last forever. If would could make wishes come true. < 1312916473 24412 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd save every day like a tresure and then, again, I would spend them with you. < 1312916482 833781 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^words < 1312916490 22702 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cut and paste) < 1312916492 795802 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of < 1312916786 587272 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312916793 491608 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1312916806 303148 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you giving out free thetan measurements < 1312916817 681784 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or how about lambdans < 1312916825 709173 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :taxfree thetans < 1312916834 816007 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, sit down while i measure your lambdans < 1312916847 922735 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. that was funny on so many levels :D < 1312916863 795952 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :please hold the two ends of this Y combinator < 1312916941 165393 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem like your lambdan levels are so high itidus20, do you feel adequately functional? < 1312916963 812833 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... i have a bad sleeping pattern < 1312916969 777475 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1312916973 639617 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no < 1312916978 457703 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it? < 1312916984 188203 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, that can have to do with low lambdan levels < 1312917000 422816 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you noticed other people acting imperative around you? < 1312917015 327503 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah people are full of requests and demands < 1312917055 432612 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's exactly what i'm talking about. < 1312917068 253797 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have established quite a rapport < 1312917084 577749 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you like to live a life without side-effects, where everything is a functor? < 1312917107 542934 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-13-77.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312917141 436604 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and no < 1312917165 439311 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_, shut up. < 1312917165 950686 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :join the Haskell Religion. You start out in the () typeclass, but soon you'll be able to perform monadic actions! < 1312917181 66760 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1312917192 353046 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im too passive. its not cheaters fault < 1312917213 41178 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater killed me and that is his fault < 1312917217 536013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater is cheater's fault though < 1312917225 625635 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldl ap < 1312917226 756406 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: b = a -> b < 1312917226 868671 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: m (a -> b) < 1312917227 125445 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Inferred type: m b < 1312917228 169604 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater ate my cat. < 1312917238 700220 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldl (flip ap) < 1312917239 977618 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) b. (Monad m) => m b -> [m (b -> b)] -> m b < 1312917244 40781 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312917266 603937 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: i downloaded hugs and an ebook.. but i got sidetracked < 1312917274 720491 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312917285 903717 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the side of the track has much less friction than the gravel < 1312917296 41534 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, hugs < 1312917300 559533 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ebook < 1312917301 232593 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hugs.
< 1312917302 861932 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of < 1312917303 799931 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ebook < 1312917322 940679 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :a legal one. < 1312917355 552916 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ill be more specific < 1312917356 491377 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, that's no good. < 1312917358 878487 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have a name < 1312917360 474441 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote e-reader < 1312917361 608312 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1312917370 241103 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote E-reader < 1312917371 585647 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1312917375 31489 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ereader < 1312917376 345136 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1312917380 563929 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh FFS. < 1312917383 734194 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote suffering < 1312917385 52254 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :547) Sgeo_, the origin of suffering is desire for e-book readers. < 1312917389 136297 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet Another Haskell Tutorial by Hal Daume III < 1312917407 794238 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not read LYAH or RWH? < 1312917410 154868 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Get LYAH < 1312917422 554562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told him about LYAH. < 1312917423 934032 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have it in every electronic format < 1312917424 976058 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not a mathematician. this book is actually up my alley < 1312917433 396465 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And one paper one < 1312917433 469337 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1312917433 568248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LYAH is about ten times simpler than YAHT. < 1312917446 389993 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: I think you offended Phantom_Hoover's religious beliefs. < 1312917459 540631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Download the Haskell Platform, read Learn You a Haskell, praise the Lord. < 1312917468 925292 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you offended /him/, not his beliefs. That would be strange. < 1312917487 893691 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pedantic semantics <3 < 1312917641 472340 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, your Lambdan levels must be really high today. < 1312917729 184627 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. in my head I am thinking "haskell is representative of functional languages. c++ is representative of imperative languages. functional and imperative are specializations of programming languages." < 1312917741 78793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is not representative of imperative languages. < 1312917754 968119 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is then? < 1312917770 621196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to tell. < 1312917770 793403 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :C? < 1312917773 481751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1312917780 190207 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Visual Basic .NET? < 1312917788 804953 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the word representative the wrong one? :D < 1312917796 319290 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't call things representative of things < 1312917799 843503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a modern-ish (but non-OO) Pascal. It's really hard to say because "imperative" is not really a category. < 1312917803 544243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no single representative example. < 1312917815 842371 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is representativeness a fallacy? < 1312917828 479753 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only for imperatives~ < 1312917829 246034 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does an air guitar solo.
< 1312917830 29143 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, i'd say python is a good imperative language with functional paradigms < 1312917839 334650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1312917840 298071 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: Don't let #python hear you say that < 1312917848 246439 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or anyone else, for that matter < 1312917850 293154 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :banned already < 1312917853 557978 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't care < 1312917858 371323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so there is at least one channel with sense in this world. < 1312917863 146895 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1312917871 851273 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ill update my statement < 1312917885 375154 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :j/k, not banned. but i don't give much crap about that place < 1312917888 424324 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're mostly boring < 1312917893 417430 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_, shut up. < 1312917903 504153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you do a harsh but necessary duty. < 1312917904 918789 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Imperative" is a far too broad category to have any really representative example... < 1312917912 687236 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. in my head I am thinking "haskell is an example of functional languages. pascal is an example of imperative languages. functional and imperative are specializations of programming languages." < 1312917924 300959 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a better description of coding style than language, anyways. < 1312917928 654454 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why is C not imperative BtW? < 1312917944 754866 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the trouble was with the word _representative of_ < 1312917944 925015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It is. < 1312917975 106565 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :representative\ of could be a word < 1312917979 321583 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just not representative of "imperative programming" < 1312917998 340043 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: i dunno why i did that.. < 1312918003 612556 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1312918006 219220 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew it was wrong < 1312918027 338102 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :now for stage 2 of my plan < 1312918027 423492 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, i'd say you're asking whether functional and imperative paradigms are compatible < 1312918030 941934 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If "imperative" is intended to be a descriptor of language *anyways*, it'd really only mean "strict evaluation", IME... < 1312918061 542492 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: i was stating in a long winded way that i see them as children of a common parent, namely "programming languages" < 1312918063 370862 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is so utterly inclusive as to be meaningless. < 1312918086 392344 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess procedural might be better, but it's still a wide category < 1312918094 121187 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1312918099 629846 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, i think you mean subsets rather than children in a graph < 1312918104 567585 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those subsets are reral fuzzy < 1312918114 108466 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or feral ruzzy < 1312918118 938883 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no clear distinction, like in a graph, of a language being either the one or the other < 1312918127 713127 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, dachgeschoss! < 1312918132 969651 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost think of imperative and procedural to be close to synonyms, with some mild differences but with considerable overlap. < 1312918135 550383 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pascal could describe imperative, or, maybe even BASIC. Would BASIC do? < 1312918151 122209 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: lol < 1312918160 169261 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :basic is centered on sequential execution of commands < 1312918168 399890 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is imperative programming... < 1312918169 16603 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a friggin' coding style. You can do imperative code in Haskell. You can also do functional code in assembly. < 1312918174 390873 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASIC might do, I think so < 1312918175 943283 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1312918188 325360 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I will question your sanity for functional assembly, though) < 1312918224 356261 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do functional code in assembly better than in C, since at least you can guarantee TCO in assembly < 1312918225 115857 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: I'd like to point out that those lyrics make perfect sense :P < 1312918225 640801 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, i like to differentiate between "declarative" and "constructive" < 1312918236 275678 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages tend to match coding styles to a degree. There are coding styles they are comfortable with and those they are not. < 1312918241 292022 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, that's totally dachgeschoss of you < 1312918292 419805 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Which still leaves functional vs. imperative as a pretty pitiful dichotomy. < 1312918301 863522 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1312918313 276003 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really a dichotomy. Just.. two animals in a barn. < 1312918320 915748 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312918326 554601 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :except one is part of another < 1312918330 286824 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're siamese twins < 1312918344 594359 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking connection < 1312918344 679973 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a two-headed horse sorta. < 1312918352 71256 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to traverse the graph and i failed < 1312918359 147441 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, functional code is going to come about fairly naturally from most any language with TCO, closures, and garbage collection, and imperative code is utterly natural in anything with side effects. < 1312918380 570466 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional code in Python is not very natural feeling. < 1312918389 957929 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to Haskell and Erlang, anyways. < 1312918391 123423 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python has neither TCO nor garbage collection. < 1312918406 671327 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And its lambda feature is, ah, limiting. < 1312918412 291641 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know what that acronym is. < 1312918420 322784 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tail-call optimisation. < 1312918423 691769 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right. < 1312918453 767432 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python has garbage collection though. < 1312918484 92460 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it has reference counting and some hacks to make circular references not leak memory. < 1312918501 786199 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that not count as automatic memory management? < 1312918521 787329 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. It does, but that's not garbage collection. :P < 1312918558 566480 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably should've said "automatic memory management", though. < 1312918569 332847 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really follow but okay... < 1312918581 406891 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also possible to write a Python function decorator that does TCO (well, to self-calls, anyway) by stack inspection, and exception throw/catch to fake a tail call. Assuming you have a barf bag, anyway. http://code.activestate.com/recipes/474088-tail-call-optimization-decorator/ < 1312918605 899502 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there's something specific about the definition of garbage collection that makes it different from automatic memory management that I haven't really paid attention to. < 1312918613 232129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there is. < 1312918613 658953 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It is also possible to write a C function that JITs Lisp and hands you a function pointer for it. < 1312918668 922368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1312918717 540877 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Automatic memory management refers to any memory management that does not require manual handling of details. Garbage collection refers to one of a number of techniques that scan the heap for unused memory that can be reclaimed. < 1312918745 842677 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there was a "reference counting garbage collection" technique? < 1312918802 136973 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Reference counting never scans the heap. Reference counting simply frees an allocation when the reference count for an allocation drops to 0. < 1312918824 537277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :reference counting is a kind of garbage collection, really < 1312918835 757416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :region inference is an example of a non-GC automatic memory management type < 1312918904 699760 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Never freeing" is also an example of a non-GC automatic memory management type (admittedly, a pathological case). < 1312918908 662046 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I can import gc in Python, which stands for garbage collector < 1312918910 756785 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must have one! < 1312918924 417340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: That's the memory management mandated by the Scheme standard. < 1312918947 593397 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Leaving garbage collection as nothing more than an optimisation? < 1312918948 617135 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> gc.isenabled() < 1312918948 691219 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1312918953 210145 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool. I feel reassured. < 1312918961 372275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: A specifically-allowed one, yes. < 1312918972 408993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, any other management strategy is allowed, so long as it is never visible.) < 1312918974 379380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wait, does that mean scheme cannot have finalizers? :P < 1312919008 979177 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not that surprising, really. < 1312919016 702313 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an implementation detail, after all. < 1312919045 920172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, any implementation can do what it wants < 1312919054 850210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: RnRS only defines behaviour on RnRS programs :P < 1312919061 77161 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if i'm my own fault, does that mean i'm the embodiment of recursion < 1312919074 569210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good garbage collection in the style of ghc has the advantage that it only touches live objects, which is good for idiomatic haskell where most values die quickly < 1312919085 11200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "in the style of GHC" < 1312919085 710855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :reference counting is almost the opposite to that < 1312919087 914922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka any copying collector < 1312919154 474194 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my ecosystem-based language garbage collection will occur in the form of natural disasters. < 1312919168 826551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: naturally ghc is my personal base point :P < 1312919176 633725 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have them strike randomly or on command. < 1312919209 205861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Collection asteroid coming up" < 1312919219 24706 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1312919227 542652 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: I'm my own grandpaaaa < 1312919262 227977 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the reason I brought up that topic before was that stage 2 of the plan was to say, is it better to understand an abstract generalization by studying a sample of it's specializations, or by studying it without knowledge of it's specializations. < 1312919290 446693 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Study the abstraction and make up your own special cases < 1312919307 388903 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :since all of the memory is in use by the program always, the best way to prevent memory leaks is to have occasional ecosystem collapse. < 1312919326 420058 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I can't say it will help with the determinism of your program. < 1312919337 435423 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, die untermieter staren die waende an? < 1312919349 603237 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares about determinism < 1312919374 510265 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :to clarify further, ^of it's implemented specializations and the specializations used in practice.. these can be traditional or standardized or conventions < 1312919436 787364 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example a rain storm might kill out some of the more fragile cold-blooded creatures. < 1312919437 728580 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :For any useful (not a toy) abstract generalization...(is abstract generalization a tautology?) should i just say abstraction? < 1312919454 250622 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. < 1312919459 859632 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :The specialization space is unreasonably large < 1312919471 356427 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ei älä. < 1312919481 176934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how to join ends.
< 1312919492 960728 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hjlep < 1312919501 343385 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like animals < 1312919520 600156 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the potential specializations of the abstraction Animal < 1312919526 405363 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :are very many indeed < 1312919534 595216 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so instead we focus on the existing animals < 1312919535 923937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: e.g. group theory (from mathematics) would be rather useless unless you did _both_ < 1312919544 637134 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :abstraction animal what < 1312919557 287985 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or we blend parts.. like anthropomorphizing < 1312919564 726551 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :furry. < 1312919565 564356 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :combining the human animal with another animal < 1312919596 485565 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hljep < 1312919614 1282 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: are you sure you know what you're saying right now? < 1312919619 368398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it may be the first example math students get of an abstraction investigated in general without (just) looking at specific examples < 1312919630 240443 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: as in, dog, cat, fish, etc are all specializations of the abstraction animal < 1312919635 286455 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I have a feeling he doesn't < 1312919655 761399 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could almost imagine this being the topic of a literature or creative writing paper. < 1312919667 558932 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Comparative literature, even < 1312919677 214288 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't suppose you ever found a virtual keyboard that isn't terrible? < 1312919700 845722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I solved my problem by adding jobs in batches of 9 or 99 < 1312919710 58797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or one, which conveniently is what's chosen if you just press enter < 1312919713 818753 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talking about animals like this is very darwinian of me. < 1312919721 458814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So, no, but please let me know if you find one. < 1312919737 332847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You should just write one, it'd be like three hundred lines of C. :p < 1312919746 568884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AS LONG AS IT WORKS AT A LOW ENOUGH LEVEL FOR SDL TO LIKE IT < 1312919778 398409 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :an abstraction is a way to condense information into a single concept. < 1312919786 196077 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> there you go. < 1312919850 606681 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: what is it you want, again? < 1312919893 149519 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok what if I said I see a function as an abstraction of a number set < 1312919914 420813 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, did you say that? < 1312919917 923301 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'd rip you apart because many of us know what functions and sets actually are. < 1312919923 79621 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :"5" is a specialization of the fibonnacci function < 1312919927 773268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312919932 771100 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1312919939 55704 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :"4" is not < 1312919941 756972 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ripping to shreds < 1312919950 323106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1312919952 649185 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Can you fix the log program so that QUIT messages are included in the channel raw logs? It would help, if using it to search using AWK or whatever. I think I know why the QUIT messages are not included but I also think it ought to be corrected anyways. Do you know about this? < 1312919955 42456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1312919956 643711 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :abstraction is the wrong word for that. < 1312919974 351504 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, a function is an abstraction, but not necessarily of a set. < 1312919975 317934 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you are mayor of the #esoteric-minecraft dwarf fortress fortress < 1312919988 333371 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, you're talking about the image of the function, I think. < 1312919989 381042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1312919998 259634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this mean I'll die horribly after making too many awkward demands? < 1312920002 618562 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes you are. < 1312920007 805139 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1312920009 574294 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, your demands have been pretty good < 1312920012 949245 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you will if I have anything to do with it. < 1312920014 98206 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Low boots and copper < 1312920036 778316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, that's the previous mayer. < 1312920037 999623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mayor. < 1312920046 478662 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :So when we're talking about programming languages, a function is an abstraction of the algorithm that defines it. Instead of rewriting the algorithm we just use the name and plug in the inputs. < 1312920067 331024 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's not. < 1312920067 800384 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wjat < 1312920075 162707 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how it works in imperative languages. < 1312920108 168839 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :my not knowing functional languages is limiting me < 1312920129 326494 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so i can't actually process why i am wrong < 1312920135 513532 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1312920142 703278 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's by far not the big thing limiting you. < 1312920151 714267 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :my case is pretty good < 1312920153 557513 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your essential problem is that you're trying to derive the world from scratch. < 1312920170 641661 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stephen Hawking did it < 1312920178 357488 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he's Stephen Hawking < 1312920194 181696 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes, it was one of way of describing functions as an abstraction. There is more than one. < 1312920195 739763 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he didn't. < 1312920204 480253 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does "ddate" program allow switching between Julian and Gregorian mode? In my opinion, the author of Principia Discordia probably intended Gregorian although the literal reading suggests Julian. What is your opinion? < 1312920224 62233 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see abstraction as one of the most powerful ideas of all < 1312920226 753658 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, why do you think he went to university? < 1312920248 756516 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because he was interested in... astrophysics < 1312920249 866391 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1312920282 994960 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stephen Hawking stands on the shoulders of giants. < 1312920290 730314 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the problem that i named it abstraction? < 1312920335 888200 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin < 1312920336 329882 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like it when some group proclaims jurisdiction over everything < 1312920349 255274 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its bad.. its like a conceptual black hole < 1312920355 133823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think most programmers forget about the problem altogether < 1312920359 483871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: you mean sits. < 1312920359 739981 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps that is what i am doing to this word abstraction < 1312920362 95008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That group being? < 1312920368 228258 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Because he was interested in... astrophysics < 1312920372 391251 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, okay. He used to stand there but no longer does. < 1312920373 711206 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus Taneb. < 1312920390 622568 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I get your point < 1312920392 995195 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I claim jurisdiction over every group. < 1312920394 94542 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you really think he worked out cosmology by himself? < 1312920399 318699 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Einstein field equations? < 1312920400 640597 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the biggest, baddest group of all. < 1312920411 593605 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was using a completely different meaning of from scratch < 1312920412 814901 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : That group being? < 1312920414 728654 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A_5 < 1312920418 209201 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Context, rather < 1312920424 483769 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a need for each group to not get too big for it's boots < 1312920432 264797 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yes, the one that doesn't mean "from nothing", apparently. < 1312920444 253843 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: familiar with set theory? < 1312920447 386789 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He mathematically demonstrated that it is possible for a universe to be created out of nothing < 1312920454 35828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: A_5 is pretty badass < 1312920460 308928 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did he? < 1312920461 105833 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i don't like it when some group proclaims jurisdiction over everything < 1312920470 543714 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: pretty sure he did < 1312920472 515699 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody's declaring jurisdiction over anything. < 1312920477 124367 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am < 1312920478 340444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :smallest simple noncommutative group < 1312920489 782335 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, isn't it the rotation group of the icosahedron and dodecahedron too? < 1312920494 575231 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im saying everything is a specialization of something else < 1312920505 810080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i don't know about that < 1312920507 217076 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: What about category theory? < 1312920515 120722 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ < 1312920528 752698 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that fits < 1312920530 517322 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I tried to do it when I learnt the orbit-stabiliser thing but I failed. < 1312920537 611784 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: and turtles all the way down? < 1312920539 582210 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :category theory is a specialization of mathematics. :) < 1312920539 923952 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :abstractions and categories sound similar < 1312920541 343899 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do you understand my question though? < 1312920555 828748 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: do you even know what category theory is < 1312920555 914449 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: You've got it backwards. :P < 1312920556 851933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes < 1312920566 32075 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1312920579 879905 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : category theory is a specialization of mathematics. :) < 1312920586 633135 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a field of it. < 1312920594 311564 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brother showed me an episode of "alphas" before.. im the guy who doesn't have a clue what is going on < 1312920600 442363 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a well-ordered field? < 1312920613 756285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :category theory is more general than a mere field! < 1312920620 770042 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: yeah, okay, category theory defines everything in mathematics ever. Hasn't that been said about a lot of different fields of mathematics? < 1312920634 644055 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well yes, there is the whole everything is a category issue. < 1312920634 822213 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not literally as I said it. :P < 1312920636 984478 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Sure it has, but category theory also defines them < 1312920639 250651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we agree on "general abstract nonsense"? < 1312920652 596904 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1312920653 876416 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not abstract enough! < 1312920656 858940 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: not quite everything < 1312920664 155322 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not enough esoteric mathematics. < 1312920668 554545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found something that wasn't in my PhD, and had to justify to my supervisor why it wasn't < 1312920672 709311 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have the capacity for conflict because conflict is healthy... we are not wired to agree on everything < 1312920677 177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even then, it probably could have been made into a category with a few more definitions < 1312920694 646560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I like how category theory basically reverses the burden of proof :-D < 1312920700 239525 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1312920712 72247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, but we might define a natural equivalence with general abstract nonsense < 1312920727 721488 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps an isomorphism? < 1312920734 430237 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, burden of proof doesn't exist in maths. < 1312920752 649585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, but it does in conversation. < 1312920764 89207 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the burden of proof is on the system! < 1312920766 367965 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the system I say! < 1312920779 949810 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and anyway negative statements aren't assumed by the burden of proof. < 1312920797 598341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: STOP RUINING MY JOKE < 1312920811 810793 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, did you actually say "it isn't a category" in the paper? < 1312920818 481750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, we're not mad < 1312920829 102733 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's uncategorically incorrect < 1312920833 520807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we'd get burned at the stake!" < 1312920837 185947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we did have to own up when asked about it at the conference < 1312920839 127732 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :from wiki "Category theory is an area of study in mathematics that examines in an abstract way the properties of particular mathematical concepts, by formalising them as collections of objects and arrows" AS GRAPHS < 1312920841 470523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION maps elliott's joke onto a terminal element
< 1312920842 341929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but by then, it was already too late to reject the paper < 1312920842 975643 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet calculus: $ is the Pope, & is a grave, ^ is a mighty axe. The Pope must die. < 1312920843 686953 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nLab will string you up < 1312920852 219194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: a graph is a special case of a category < 1312920853 695114 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :not collections of objects and arrows... the word for such a collection is a graph < 1312920857 301391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: No... not as graphs. < 1312920859 776000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, more or less everything is a special case of a category < 1312920866 447910 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1312920874 698944 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is a special case of a dead Pope! < 1312920875 342634 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Except maybe colorless green dreams. < 1312920877 853320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, a group expressed as a category has only one object, and all the elements of the group correspond to arrows < 1312920886 540667 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :they borrowed their notation from graphs clearly < 1312920887 735386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Try not to think you're smarter than whoever wrote the Wikipedia on a subject minutes after you're introduced to you. < 1312920888 160392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't act much like a graph < 1312920891 275198 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh for christ's sake. < 1312920904 130012 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's stupid to say what defines what in the first place. < 1312920920 874926 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I define everything. < 1312920922 639459 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A dictionary contains definitions of words < 1312920923 834061 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Categories and graphs just happen to have easily-linked definitions. < 1312920933 149955 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah im trolling < 1312920933 926018 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They aqre defined, for example, by Oxford University Press < 1312920936 648813 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ergo, I shall define "stupid" to mean "especially astute and wise". < 1312920949 502525 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when the Pope dies you know it's legit... < 1312920954 665696 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/aqre/are/ < 1312920964 403773 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: You're stupid as shit < 1312920971 899363 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: $$^& < 1312920972 446324 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, notational systems are a function of the euclidean plane < 1312920979 380244 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1312920982 397930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote anyway, notational systems are a function of the euclidean plane < 1312920983 549580 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :573) anyway, notational systems are a function of the euclidean plane < 1312921002 417233 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Indeed. < 1312921030 51536 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :nearly every written language is made of a small set of curves < 1312921037 858126 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and drawings are called line drawings < 1312921065 291343 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the euclidean plane is a function of the pilot's hands. < 1312921082 891678 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pilot's hands are a subset of the pilot < 1312921094 17293 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: I can write on non-Euclidean geometries just fine. < 1312921121 927922 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION holds up a ball
< 1312921132 333584 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the weekend I had some dream about pokemon, but I don't remember anything else about it. Maybe that is all it is? < 1312921138 358663 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pilot inhabits the parabolic plane < 1312921164 975856 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all notations are basically about lines < 1312921176 355914 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1312921181 101000 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1312921182 960363 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lines forming glyphs, lines forming polygons < 1312921188 708829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im a polygon < 1312921189 49934 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1312921189 648884 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :arranged in a nice way < 1312921195 744463 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: if you cannot kill the pope with it, then you haven't really rigorously defined anything. < 1312921207 173543 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1312921207 936963 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a collection of irregular and regular polyhedra < 1312921238 964764 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :notations for the most part can be represented on paper or on a monitor < 1312921246 652206 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowhere else. < 1312921249 339817 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unpossible. < 1312921253 593495 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowhere else! < 1312921261 35836 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a four dimensional solid inhabiting three dimensional space < 1312921264 550344 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kill the pope with it?? < 1312921273 475686 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kill the pope with it.. < 1312921273 944540 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence all the self-intersection < 1312921309 544558 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mighty axe is surely the best way to kill... < 1312921336 10325 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sometimes the subtlety of poison is what is needed < 1312921341 736101 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :poison axe < 1312921344 170783 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so.. what i'll try to do is stop talking for a bit < 1312921347 232092 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: But can you prove your axe's mightiness rigorously? < 1312921367 755311 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the more i don't understand the topic in here, the more relevant it is likely to be.. difficult as that is for me to accept < 1312921388 79060 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a natural instinct to try to lower the topic to my level < 1312921447 955876 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet calculus is a highly advanced level on the mathematical plane. < 1312921460 983613 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you should learn about it sometime. < 1312921463 556473 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowledge is power. < 1312921467 193508 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lege < 1312921482 958309 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but knowing ledges is a useful way to avoid falling off of them. < 1312921484 873416 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knowledge is lege? < 1312921492 348011 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :power is a specification of knowledge < 1312921505 865313 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it is knowledge nevermind. < 1312921525 733966 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know. < 1312921530 2341 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH HO HO HO HO < 1312921584 234272 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know algebra.. < 1312921591 777589 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is problematic < 1312921592 837682 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1312921593 90663 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a good start. < 1312921622 747707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: define algebra < 1312921630 296509 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: you should learn how to play an instrument before you attempt to write a concerto. < 1312921657 78770 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a friend who is awful at maths < 1312921662 250744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Update. < 1312921664 245399 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I tried to teach him Haskell < 1312921666 883723 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :example: 2/3(2x -5 ) = 2/3(8x - 3) < 1312921676 89193 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good definition < 1312921734 340004 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = -1/3 < 1312921737 106681 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. < 1312921753 24879 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how can you play an instrument if you haven't even written a concerto to play on it? < 1312921758 404328 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, I'm out of practice < 1312921767 34755 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yeah it took me way to long to work that one. < 1312921777 736042 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame summer holidays. < 1312921781 391537 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame time. < 1312921788 825090 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually began to hallucinate in my last maths exam < 1312921798 881125 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me.. i would have to slowly work through it < 1312921804 981242 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Numbers would be wrong, twos would be fives < 1312921807 200543 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i would make a mistake anyway < 1312921812 297747 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :14s would be 13s < 1312921823 55797 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. < 1312921830 371265 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea of doing algebra in my head is unthinkable for me < 1312921837 492278 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I occasionally hallucinate when I'm going to sleep or waking up. < 1312921850 469481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who does anything in their head < 1312921851 404558 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I hallucinate while I'm sleeping < 1312921857 762233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: that's not uncommon. < 1312921863 532213 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed not. < 1312921870 741862 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fist < 1312921871 828404 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :428) You make a fist, shake it at the sky, and shout "why, GNU, why?!" -- that is the standard reportig practice. \ 520) The Russian's emblem was the hammer and sickle, not the fist and other fist < 1312921872 327448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually you hallucinate every time you go to sleep or wake up. < 1312921899 427425 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :once I felt a ghost, as I was waking up. < 1312921908 348759 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did it feel like < 1312921909 325185 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not uncommon at all. < 1312921911 284483 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never felt a ghost < 1312921915 604853 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look up sleep paralysis. < 1312921941 509620 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't paralyzed though. I got out of bed, because I thought someone was standing outside of my bedroom door, which was out of view. < 1312921955 972919 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1312921960 34033 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I felt the presence move into my room, through me, and onto the bed next to me. made my heart jump. < 1312921966 667218 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 TOPIC #esoteric :Don't enjoy unlocking the matrix of bromide, please. | wget -s 42 redpill | man mouth | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1312921985 989000 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, I sat up in bed, actually. I didn't get out. < 1312921990 758973 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : /story < 1312922002 760369 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a category theory diagram an approximation of neural structures? < 1312922008 196871 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1312922015 75579 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he's just making stuff up now. < 1312922021 903379 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1312922030 74835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: you should make friends with fungot < 1312922030 247953 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but that jackass won't shut up and stop the thief in the throes of an unraveling alibi. " the massacre of syrs gnelph was not as written a message you got, my brother, and we just keep the safe or tub handy or the bottom of the letter is a series of really coy riddles about it and stop the thief in the throes of an unraveling alibi. " the massacre of syrs gnelph was not as written a message you got, my brother, and we < 1312922043 947839 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1312922052 852588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1312922053 23893 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher homestuck* ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1312922055 325040 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up with the periodic matrices of elements? < 1312922059 12666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That... < 1312922062 589379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That wasn't Homestuck. < 1312922064 769309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1312922065 452539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot:. < 1312922065 822167 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you and the pogo hammer. < 1312922069 534141 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. a neuron is to a node and an object, as a dendrite is to a morphism and an edge < 1312922070 378178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess it's a fungot bug so fizzie too. < 1312922076 325908 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: unlock the bromide < 1312922076 422294 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: are you on fire yet or what < 1312922081 987825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, huh. < 1312922084 84794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is Homestuck. < 1312922100 857109 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I love you < 1312922101 205590 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: a little later... have i mentioned nanna to you, did i? < 1312922116 970287 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think it would be possible to rig fungot up to the logs? < 1312922117 571544 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: have a look. which of course. now it is my turn to the back inside cover, but it seems the john in the head of your smaller hammer from your deck is really dwindling now. maybe it would be best not to be near it < 1312922120 72190 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003752 < 1312922121 949478 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1312922124 193328 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you want to talk dirty about your grandmother? < 1312922124 640171 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: the modus recognizes the drawing, but there it is, in case he doesn't want you to be my next wild presumption. ashes. usually these matches his, that is a smart mouth you have. it plays a role in the outcome of the kids' game session. < 1312922126 106743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I know. < 1312922132 769501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it already has been, ^style irc < 1312922143 5927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that's the logs of multiple channels, not just #esoteric < 1312922143 711488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: That's how it primarily talks. < 1312922172 419280 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, cake: im comparing it with neurons precisely because of how it's creepy to do so < 1312922183 444776 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: creepy? < 1312922195 879423 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1312922206 898828 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it is < 1312922209 392146 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: did you know that I am the queen of France? < 1312922223 828518 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :does france even have a monarchy? < 1312922228 864343 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure does. < 1312922233 879781 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool < 1312922235 985438 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: No, but its leader is a monarch. < 1312922238 766819 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, do you know... anything. < 1312922239 216764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many similarities: CakeProphet doesn't have a beard, and there is no evidence he exists. < 1312922266 207362 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, like, did you go to school. < 1312922275 173291 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im the empouress of americas < 1312922278 360818 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the ruler of France is also Co-Prince of Andorra.) < 1312922290 994451 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to < 1312922292 280696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Hey, I didn't know that France had a monarchy. < 1312922297 700565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But I'm not into pop culture. < 1312922305 53288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: (OK I didn't know it didn't have one either.) < 1312922314 127525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I swapped that knowledge out to Wikipedia for when I need it, which will be never.) < 1312922317 285220 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, r u srs. < 1312922324 143259 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had that revolution? < 1312922330 692835 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiple times < 1312922331 287473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well yeah, I know THAT part. < 1312922335 36340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXACTLY < 1312922338 37364 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway, I'm more referring to itidus' general lack of knowledge. < 1312922338 723128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they had a monarchy yesterday < 1312922340 737120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE THEY DON'T TODAY < 1312922344 419043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW COULD I POSSIBLY KEEP TRACK < 1312922349 990430 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares what they had, have or don't have < 1312922361 587516 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what will they have < 1312922363 143849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In conclusion: fuck the French. < 1312922364 939114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : They had that revolution <-- they've had monarchy since that happened, mind you < 1312922372 719840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: but yeah um did you not learn any elementary algebra. < 1312922376 818331 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure they have baguettes < 1312922404 848880 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And croissants < 1312922409 568755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bagguoistants. < 1312922429 611203 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :croisettes and baguants < 1312922432 217971 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i approach algebra i find i can't absorb the rules < 1312922435 231232 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except croissants are actually... Hungarian? originally < 1312922442 280334 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: So how do you function? < 1312922452 83766 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: I have a suspicion he doesn't < 1312922466 101037 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:| < 1312922479 290780 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :french baguettes originated in france, obviously < 1312922484 441155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: s/algebra/elementary algebra/. < 1312922487 109227 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*croissants < 1312922488 863715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This has nothing to do with abstract algebra. < 1312922526 916245 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If x = 2, what is x+2, itidus20? < 1312922527 1764 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :french fries, freedom fries < 1312922529 488388 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1312922535 337511 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which were originally Belgia < 1312922536 888999 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1312922537 664597 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1312922541 472404 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1312922549 205283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of elementary algebra like it were abstract algebra is like someone confusing a danish hill with mount everest < 1312922550 312242 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :america land of the bad names for things < 1312922561 277862 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If x-4 =5, what is x? < 1312922573 501866 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 < 1312922574 404353 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :freedom fries aka invade-some-desert fries? < 1312922589 299699 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, you're not that bad < 1312922593 750744 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x + y = 2y - 9, solve for x. < 1312922597 696787 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :freedom fries aka fuck the french fries < 1312922613 585130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches itidus20's head explode
< 1312922628 437143 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(get x on its own) < 1312922631 940821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: that sounds,,,,, palnfaiful, < 1312922647 601155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck the french, but be sure to make them shower first < 1312922651 443208 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = 2y - 9 - y < 1312922658 865375 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: simplify, please < 1312922665 477897 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hunnnf < 1312922667 866064 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Cheese everests are delicious < 1312922680 317444 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, 2x - x = what? < 1312922706 545010 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: expand (x+4)(x+5) < 1312922718 518575 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if x is apples, and you have two apples, and you take one away, how many apples do you have........ < 1312922728 342355 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :2x - x = x? < 1312922734 148477 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :applause < 1312922747 422327 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, I'm not going to confirm the answer, but monqy just ruined it THANKS MONQY < 1312922753 429156 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what's 2y-9-y < 1312922770 399518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: apples < 1312922775 785285 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: calculuate 5!. show all work. < 1312922778 590289 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hlep < 1312922799 580214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: 5! = an excited 5 < 1312922802 758729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(end work) < 1312922805 809218 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :86 choose 17, show all work < 1312922815 661934 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the problem for me in that situation was uhh.. < 1312922823 687703 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: use the quadratic equation to solve 23x^2 + 13x + 4 < 1312922829 625837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Iranian confectioner's union designated "Roses of the Prophet Muhammad" as the new name for Danish pastries made in the country as of 15 February 2006, although compliance with the proposed name in bakeries was mixed and short-lived." < 1312922830 52173 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prove that 5=5 ok < 1312922839 891961 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prove the rationality of sqrt(2) < 1312922849 740121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also cheese on danishes, are you crazy? < 1312922854 984925 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: That's really hard < 1312922864 414962 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Have you never heard of a cheese danish/ < 1312922866 720512 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*? < 1312922871 954314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: was? < 1312922873 281120 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If they draw Muhammed on them, I approve. < 1312922876 300649 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x+4)(x+5) = x^2 + 9x + 20 < 1312922880 170984 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Danish people make a delicious treat when topped with a little cheese. < 1312922891 115093 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, refl_equal 5. < 1312922893 314713 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qed. < 1312922905 300794 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's cream cheese < 1312922915 441655 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :2y-9-y=y-9 < 1312922925 896295 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well OK that should be "exact (refl_equal 5). Qed." < 1312922930 2490 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, simplify x=2y-9-y? < 1312922930 586678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: s/refl_equal/eq_refl/. < 1312922937 710292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: And if you're going to do that then: reflexivity. Qed. < 1312922939 296195 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nope. < 1312922941 187418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: i'd imagine that's not the idea < 1312922941 722331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even just auto. Qed. < 1312922946 982555 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Alas. < 1312922952 444153 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Coq < Print eq. < 1312922952 516521 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inductive eq (A : Type) (x : A) : A -> Prop := refl_equal : x = x < 1312922952 614945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yep. Notation refl_equal := eq_refl (only parsing). < 1312922954 399877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yep. Notation refl_equal := eq_refl (only parsing). < 1312922954 569840 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, mmmm cheese danish. < 1312922955 764175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: yummy < 1312922962 867294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inductive eq (A:Type) (x:A) : A -> Prop := < 1312922962 939578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : eq_refl : x = x :>A < 1312922963 45548 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :x=y-9 < 1312922970 981941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source: http://www.lix.polytechnique.fr/coq/stdlib/Coq.Init.Logic.html. < 1312922979 95211 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 = 5 because (=) = (=) < 1312922979 777677 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen a danish. The closest to a danish I've ever seen was Scooby Doo. < 1312922991 666262 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so your correction was complete crap because both are perfectly correct? < 1312922998 112995 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: *rimshot* < 1312922998 544531 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As were the rest of your 'corrections'? < 1312923009 282916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I marked them as corrections where? < 1312923014 824349 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Well, not just cream cheese. It's more like what's in a cheesecake, i.e. a cream cheese based filling. < 1312923016 44148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would use s/// to make someone's programming style better, too. < 1312923023 215173 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: (==) Pointfree is better < 1312923030 427326 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Well, yes, that's true < 1312923082 400263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 5 == (5 :: CReal) < 1312923083 182564 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1312923088 3289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sneaky < 1312923102 389576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 5 == (5 + pi - pi :: CReal) < 1312923103 368450 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1312923115 617369 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok the trouble is when i am doing an elementary algebra equation which is unfamiliar, my attention becomes focused on trying to conform to the rules without knowing what they are < 1312923118 343250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1312923119 534703 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a Cantor/Connect Four joke < 1312923135 681274 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't think of how to work in "There, diagonally" in a sufficiently funny way < 1312923149 565941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wat < 1312923152 285947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh hm wait < 1312923156 220555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: CReal isn't CReal, is it < 1312923157 585817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in lambdabot < 1312923162 451136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> pi :: CReal < 1312923163 134821 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841972 < 1312923166 981963 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cereal < 1312923167 428288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I mean it's not really infinite-precision is it? < 1312923169 508439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm surprised it halted on the second one < 1312923178 560327 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I proved that the reals are uncountably infinite. Where? There, diagonally. Pretty sneaky, sis." < 1312923182 392543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well _output_ is a different thing... < 1312923186 265636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes me too, which is why I don't think it is the standard CReal < 1312923189 508871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from Few Digits) < 1312923194 973901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe it just cheats on == < 1312923206 565632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> pi == (e :: CReal) < 1312923207 340348 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `Data.Number.CReal.CReal' < 1312923207 512767 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against infe... < 1312923210 132893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, right < 1312923215 32219 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i don't normally know how to break down a fraction.. the book i was looking at suggested that: 2/3(x) = 2(x)/3 ... this kind of thing isn't intuitive to me < 1312923216 942168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (9/900000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000) == 0 < 1312923217 623804 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1312923219 957259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (9/900000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000) == (0 :: CReal) < 1312923220 597384 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1312923224 584333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed < 1312923231 882466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (9/900000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 :: CReal) < 1312923232 566211 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.0 < 1312923244 617748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (9/900000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 :: CReal) * 900000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 < 1312923245 787813 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9.0 < 1312923246 840728 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott working with numbers is the very height of comedy. < 1312923247 181498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yep < 1312923256 742612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Stop mocking me for being disabled. < 1312923267 659325 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no. < 1312923289 569913 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's true in the sense that (2/3)x = (2x/3) < 1312923296 453003 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@itidus20: < 1312923297 134168 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1312923318 421709 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :dandy: yup but i don't know such facts < 1312923328 724631 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's multiplication < 1312923329 604356 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what i mean by i don't know elementary algebra < 1312923342 492548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: x=m/n for some m and n < 1312923355 884589 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-zero n < 1312923369 46121 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn abstract algebra and it will make so much more sense???? < 1312923369 899636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/3 * m/n = (2*m/n)/3 blah blah blah < 1312923375 963542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: this isn't even abstract algebra < 1312923376 900426 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I find that is the case, yes < 1312923381 588585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: this is "reducing the division rule for rationals" < 1312923388 944951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is literally alpha replacement < 1312923399 261729 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even do division < 1312923405 595937 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just multiply by fractions < 1312923410 417650 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't do subtraction, either < 1312923411 13327 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you even need to have x as m/n. < 1312923422 425625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I was... trying to make it easy for itidus20 to see why it's true, but then I gave up. < 1312923445 734241 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and therefore failed to get across that it's true for all numbers, not just rationals. < 1312923449 229208 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Try (1/2) * 2 = (2/2) = 1 < 1312923456 95860 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe itidus21 will get it..... < 1312923476 716734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall from when i was little this nice diagonal diagram for x/y = w/z, where you can move any term across to the opposite diagonal < 1312923497 285644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very mnemonic < 1312923506 180038 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cross products, or whatever < 1312923514 449676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, and therefore failed to get across that it's true for all numbers, not just rationals. < 1312923524 385310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: SORRY but I don't ACCEPT the existence of the REALS < 1312923527 777209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1312923529 397038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1312923542 82912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But seriously, it still works out if you just remove the integral restriction on m and n, I think. < 1312923545 213505 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reals just arent real sorry < 1312923552 497555 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically (a/b)c means: MUL c,a; DIV c,b; (not sure if operands in the right order) < 1312923556 175840 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Quite a… cutting… remark YEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHH < 1312923557 594343 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're imaginary < 1312923582 67416 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: what < 1312923586 752014 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And integers are complex < 1312923591 255375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: do you know what the rationals are < 1312923595 460280 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: It means (ac/b) < 1312923595 546222 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: if i was to express it as assembly language < 1312923600 718611 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: why < 1312923608 715306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes how elliott deftly continued with a new "" block
< 1312923635 116392 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's really a nested lie block < 1312923650 983794 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have to go back in the logs to determine the real truth value < 1312923654 475904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lies all the way down? < 1312923662 41532 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lies == turtles < 1312923666 406652 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :rationals.. yes my book told me that rationals are either repeating or terminating < 1312923669 239523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's my schtick, ever since I-forget-when I reopened a tag just in caes < 1312923672 773353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: your Book < 1312923681 988792 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What book? < 1312923682 671619 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The big book of itidus20 < 1312923700 321826 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can kill small children if mishandled < 1312923700 906586 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magnus Liber Itidi XX < 1312923706 19332 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a humble book called the bedside book of algebra < 1312923706 190144 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you think about it, they're really all repeating < 1312923710 715512 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But most of them repeat 0s < 1312923711 739626 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, good idea! it is then < 1312923723 739326 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So lies it isn't? < 1312923736 329340 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, did you just come here to comprehensively out-Sgeo Sgeo? < 1312923741 433634 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to try something < 1312923745 428449 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: olawd < 1312923746 778602 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: ... or is it? < 1312923754 355709 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1312923769 105018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: excuse me itidus20 is like ten times as awesome as Sgeo. < 1312923785 78295 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ( 0-_) I turn away from you < 1312923785 150543 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :supercomprehensively outsgeoed < 1312923792 744696 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, because he's so Sgeo he comes around the other side? < 1312923794 452965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : itidus20: your Book <-- itidus20 somehow has got hold of erdős's Book, but sadly he understands not a word of it < 1312923800 918957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That... may be so. < 1312923826 340696 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :no its actually called "the bedside book of algebra" ... :-" < 1312923833 288961 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a cute little book < 1312923835 362964 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-" < 1312923852 681806 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, see, that's a very Sgeo thing to have. < 1312923856 956571 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the elementary algebra examples are able to break me.. over little details < 1312923864 67307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: are you sure? try to look for a page starting something like "Proof that P = NP" or "Proof that P != NP" < 1312923881 982157 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Bedside Book of Algebra By Paul Erdős and Kevin Bacon? < 1312923884 924128 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ABC of X plus Z < 1312923900 240602 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i do know that theres $1,000,000 on the table for whoever can prove it < 1312923910 648255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1312923913 790594 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what's Erdos' book? < 1312923920 914402 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, surely that is a pittance compared to the value of the actual act < 1312923938 355640 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Love's Labours Won < 1312923943 799920 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's where God keeps all the proofs < 1312923944 966217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the hypothetical book that contains the most elegant proof of every mathematical theorem < 1312923956 521521 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just hoping some indian with a family to feed gives the answer to them < 1312923963 779738 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, if this is going to become a Doctor Who reference don't bother. < 1312923964 363646 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jpg.artige.no/store/9871.jpg < 1312923986 83154 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I was thinking of all the missing books I could < 1312923992 537902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: I... < 1312924004 431318 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1312924008 827412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan, what's Erdos' book? < 1312924012 282255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the one with all the nice porofs < 1312924024 358714 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where+ horror http://jpg.artige.no/store/9871.jpg < 1312924024 976171 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1312924026 875944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um of every theorem? I don't recall him saying that, I HAVE READ HIS WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE _SEVERAL_ TIMES < 1312924029 135597 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its one of the last books i bought before officially having no more money < 1312924046 947961 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, ARGH < 1312924047 935044 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Use topology to make more money < 1312924050 627037 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HATE YOU < 1312924055 701796 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1312924060 224794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Can I set that as my desktop background, tiled. < 1312924064 993347 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO IT < 1312924067 937081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can GNOME display animated gifs as the background and if not, why not. < 1312924085 40580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually zooming in tells me that stretching it may be better. < 1312924093 633255 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :noone "really" wants an animated desktop < 1312924097 530872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DO < 1312924100 911250 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"really"? < 1312924106 581619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the sense that I don't relaly < 1312924107 314583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1312924107 741144 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I very rarely actually look at my desktop < 1312924110 828492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do for, like, whole seconds < 1312924111 306200 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott thinks he wants one. < 1312924125 479907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Nobody does, that's why wallpapers are stupid and people who care about wallpapers are stupid. < 1312924128 698509 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for kicks < 1312924131 789679 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zooming in just makes it worse < 1312924139 530452 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my background is just black < 1312924146 237076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND IF MY FRIEND WHO CARES ABOUT WALLPAPERS IS READING THIS, YOU'RE TSUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1312924157 151264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: mine is the default ubuntu wallpaper (im creative) < 1312924161 383612 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have a very nice wallpaper with a Gagarin quote on it < 1312924189 860286 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gagarin has quotes?? < 1312924194 109594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gagarin, more like GagarBIN. < 1312924198 909727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because he should be put into the BIN. < 1312924213 913086 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "I see no God up here." < 1312924230 738632 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a range of math books... some with actual substance.. but to elementary algebra < 1312924235 637967 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312924238 379814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When was the last time someone said God was literally in space < 1312924240 123016 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, Misattributed < 1312924240 203056 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see no God up here. < 1312924240 275533 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This has been reported as a remark Gagarin made while in orbit aboard Vostok 1, but there is no indication of it in the official transcripts of his communications. It is similar to the above statements he reportedly made after his return to earth, which might have given rise to this account. < 1312924242 83401 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have the default Ubuntu desktop wallpaper < 1312924243 962496 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But! < 1312924247 98954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like did the Soviets go: < 1312924247 290665 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH SNAP < 1312924249 774834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let us know if you see God up there < 1312924252 563142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just sorta hoverin' all big like < 1312924253 350452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because < 1312924255 997671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would sort of < 1312924260 408864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damage our position on that matter a bit < 1312924262 200251 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Russian enough. < 1312924262 285873 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am temporarily using Windows due to reasons I don't fully understand < 1312924263 827437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So just < 1312924265 201699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let us know < 1312924283 228583 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :one trouble i get is if i see something like: x / 5 = 2x + 3 < 1312924289 789886 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The wallpaper doesn't say he said it in space. < 1312924301 968784 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's just a terrible paraphrase < 1312924302 225656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Поехали! < 1312924302 298362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's go! < 1312924302 298434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uttered during the launch of Vostok 1 (12 April 1961); quoted by Sergey Viktorovich Novikov, in Большая историческая энциклопедия [The Greater Historical Encyclopedia] (2003) by Olma Media Group, p, 943 < 1312924302 298478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Variant translations: Let's ride! < 1312924302 768115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's drive! < 1312924305 790846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :INSPIRING WORDS FROM AN INSPIRING MAN < 1312924315 540846 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWESOME < 1312924322 282642 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, it doesn't say he didn't say it in space. < 1312924336 940640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a friend, comrades, a friend! < 1312924337 112902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :First words upon returning to earth, to a woman and a girl near where his capsule landed (12 April 1961) The woman asked: "Can it be that you have come from outer space?" to which Gagarin replied: "As a matter of fact, I have!" As quoted in The Air Up There : More Great Quotations on Flight (2003) by Dave English, p. 118 < 1312924339 577646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK that < 1312924341 573531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is awesome < 1312924344 759127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were they just like two random people < 1312924348 656996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drops out of space < 1312924349 673076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gets out < 1312924351 88779 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should be the quote. < 1312924351 712860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SUP GUYS" < 1312924363 849372 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FROM SPACE" < 1312924384 610422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :All astronauts should land in random places specifically chosen to be populated but only by people who have no idea there's a space mission going on. < 1312924393 904925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am disappointed in NASA for not arranging this < 1312924398 301171 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GOOD MORNING STALINSHINE, THE VACUUM OF SPACE SAYS HELLO" < 1312924404 126530 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :One trouble I get is if I see something like: x / 5 = 2x + 3 Do I say x = 2x + 3(5) OR x = (2x + 3)5 < 1312924413 976726 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im guessing its the latter though < 1312924420 427600 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The US would do well for that. < 1312924441 640098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When they saw me in my space suit and the parachute dragging alongside as I walked, they started to back away in fear. I told them, don't be afraid, I am a Soviet like you, who has descended from space and I must find a telephone to call Moscow! < 1312924442 62669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recalling his meeting with workers in a field, upon his landing, as quoted in "Life on Mars?" by Jesse Skinner in Toro magazine (14 October 2008) < 1312924442 595512 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, I'm just going to stop you before you start bitching < 1312924442 765315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1312924445 193557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this < 1312924450 882646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the best landing ever. < 1312924460 336026 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: x = 10x + 15, -9x = 15, x = -(15/9) < 1312924462 908785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody said anything that cool after landing to the moon. < 1312924473 372310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody asked for a telephone to call Moscow after landing on the moon. < 1312924483 536602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Landing on the moon: less cool than landing on Earth. < 1312924507 869189 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mr Stalin, phone is ringing!" < 1312924514 12655 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Who is it?" < 1312924531 947785 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He says he is from space!" < 1312924565 499420 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: ...:( < 1312924594 468225 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey guys it's me I landed and I'll just stay with these guys until you get here. < 1312924625 733549 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please don't execute me when you get here." < 1312924648 170367 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i was fairly sure but i know i need to be certain < 1312924712 618195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh; gcc was ported to System Seven < 1312924715 84272 :Swiss_!~swiss_guy@178-83-229-136.dynamic.hispeed.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1312924715 740336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent < 1312924715 813233 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Remember that whatever you do to one side, you have to do the same thing on the other side < 1312924725 799519 :Swiss_!~swiss_guy@178-83-229-136.dynamic.hispeed.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1312924726 416349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINALLY MY IMPOSSIBLE PROJECT IS ONE STEP CLOSER TO COMPLETION < 1312924733 760963 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, Swiss_ < 1312924734 995018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swiss_: How much pride would you say you have in your country < 1312924737 117650 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least if you're trying to maintain equality < 1312924739 903744 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which impossible project < 1312924750 450405 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: _ <- this much, apparently < 1312924753 208884 :Swiss_!~swiss_guy@178-83-229-136.dynamic.hispeed.ch PART :#esoteric < 1312924758 734312 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Following the flight, Gagarin told the Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev that during reentry he had whistled the tune "The Motherland Hears, The Motherland Knows" Following the flight, Gagarin told the Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev that during reentry he had whistled the tune "The Motherland Hears, The Motherland Knows" " < 1312924761 35823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: (A) Cygwin(-alike) for Macintosh System 7 < 1312924763 178123 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, he actually was swiss < 1312924767 278582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Well, his username is swiss_guy < 1312924774 537493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: (or earlier) < 1312924775 317079 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :_o_ < 1312924775 454973 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :        | < 1312924775 555195 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :       /| < 1312924782 542191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: (preferably system software 6) < 1312924783 146381 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1312924786 961501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: um of every theorem? I don't recall him saying that, I HAVE READ HIS WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE _SEVERAL_ TIMES <-- well it must be true since i made up that phrasing on the spot < 1312924789 567589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Including pre-emptive multitasking. < 1312924796 90340 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the hell is myndzi? < 1312924798 505089 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ah, damn, I didn't realise reëntry would take this long." < 1312924803 832527 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Might as well whistle." < 1312924811 82249 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :_o_ < 1312924811 210130 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :        | < 1312924811 309964 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :       /| < 1312924812 425869 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, an ungodly fusion of machine and man. < 1312924836 342135 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1312924836 489875 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :        | < 1312924836 590223 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :       /< < 1312924849 533549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I am officially a Gagarin Fan now. < 1312924852 779829 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :dandy: but supposing i had: x + y/5 = 2x + 3 ... would it then become x+y = 10x + 15 .. or would it be something else? < 1312924853 214644 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o\ < 1312924853 360115 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :        | < 1312924853 460181 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :       /| < 1312924855 760549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care how much of a communist he was. < 1312924875 72157 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: You have to multiply each side by 5 < 1312924880 22785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : itidus20: Use topology to make more money <-- sheesh Banach-Tarski isn't topology < 1312924881 131486 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, it's an ungodly fusion that uses a justification that nobody else does. < 1312924885 99529 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it would be 5x + y = 10x + 15 < 1312924900 182971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Most people use that justification. < 1312924906 64051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only common client that doesn't is XChat. < 1312924920 842905 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, psh. Set theoretic geometry, topology, whatevs < 1312924930 360958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: It's not geometry either < 1312924934 547782 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bananas and plantains < 1312924940 276744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weeell < 1312924948 705848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll grant "set theoretic geometry", even Wikipedia seems to call it that < 1312924954 602169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it seems unfair < 1312924970 312796 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you call it? < 1312924984 991471 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spacewank? < 1312924985 759268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably just "set theory" < 1312924997 920976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It starts off with geometry, then goes off and does its own thing < 1312925002 552288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then ends in the same bit of geometry < 1312925026 599644 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1312925043 579955 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's group theory as well. < 1312925061 393899 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The group theory is the important bit, really. < 1312925065 682754 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1312925116 170902 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Group theory is really what gets you laid < 1312925137 166141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :groupie theory < 1312925145 348007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See also: stable marriage problem < 1312925167 957525 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about if i have (x + y)/5 = 2x + 3 ... can I say x+y = 10x + 15? < 1312925176 635811 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Yes < 1312925226 964988 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But putting parentheses around an expression isn't an operation, so don't try to be cute. :P < 1312925265 605729 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm... i see < 1312925279 436719 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so (x + y)/5 = x/5 + y/5 < 1312925287 897311 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1312925312 916678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Mafia < 1312925313 971258 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1312925365 164447 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if i want to remove a term on one side, i add the inverse term on hte other side.. but if i want to remove a division from one term, i multiply all the terms on both sides by the inverse of the division < 1312925380 443904 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wjat < 1312925393 674296 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiplication is the inverse of division < 1312925399 511884 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ya < 1312925414 143311 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"multiply ... by the inverse of the division" what does this mean < 1312925431 214864 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad english < 1312925452 42537 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :err.. its a tautology < 1312925470 697824 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1312925474 368241 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiply by multiplication? < 1312925480 793179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Probably just "set theory" <-- also an important bit of group theory < 1312925486 136266 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 * (*) < 1312925487 378248 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show (a -> a -> a) < 1312925487 548711 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use... < 1312925512 486636 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (*).(*) < 1312925513 751570 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show (a -> (a -> a) -> a -> a) < 1312925513 922493 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arisin... < 1312925523 808686 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> @type (*).(*) < 1312925524 973301 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `@' < 1312925526 650906 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1 * (*)) <$> [0..10] < 1312925527 756049 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show (a -> a) < 1312925527 990644 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `... < 1312925528 416074 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type (*).(*) < 1312925529 526036 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Num a) => a -> (a -> a) -> a -> a < 1312925532 84242 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp < 1312925548 91486 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 ** 10 < 1312925549 256466 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0 < 1312925581 168209 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1312925597 35357 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Anyway, the basic idea is that you perform actions on the entire LHS and the entire RHS < 1312925623 640431 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't just operate on little pieces < 1312925626 129223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((*).(*)) 1 2 3 < 1312925627 711575 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6 < 1312925632 258887 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1312925649 18542 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I need to come up with a name for that < 1312925660 106732 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1 * (*)) <$> [0..3] <*> [0..3] < 1312925661 336028 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,0,0,0,0,1,2,3,0,2,4,6,0,3,6,9] < 1312925675 949741 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know! Jukebox Combinator < 1312925706 367281 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src (.) < 1312925706 958172 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(f . g) x = f (g x) < 1312925707 128318 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NB: In lambdabot, (.) = fmap < 1312925716 737854 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1312925728 372012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh they added a clarification :P < 1312925734 2733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src flip < 1312925734 256658 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip f x y = f y x < 1312925738 894656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not to that one < 1312925742 820997 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's flip < 1312925742 999357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip < 1312925743 681506 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) a b. (Functor f) => f (a -> b) -> a -> f b < 1312925745 282543 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Phantom_Hoover datehuss < 1312925753 757290 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1312925774 356217 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((*).(*)) 10 10 10 < 1312925776 206152 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1000 < 1312925784 945901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip fmap (flip ($)) < 1312925785 796457 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b a b1. (((a -> b1) -> b1) -> b) -> a -> b < 1312925788 512518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1312925812 131676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip (fmap.(flip ($))) < 1312925812 928105 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) a b. (Functor f) => f (a -> b) -> a -> f b < 1312925829 720672 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type (((*).).(.(*))) < 1312925830 865158 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b a. (Num b, Num a) => ((a -> a) -> b) -> a -> b -> b < 1312925837 404109 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know it is possible in Windows, to copy disk images, using the DefineDosDevice API? Hopefully whoever designs ReactOS should know about this too. < 1312925839 116994 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312925862 322420 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :can expressions be considered as a list of terms to be summed together in any order? < 1312925881 28360 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(((*).).(.(*))) ((*).(*)) 10 10 10 < 1312925884 973909 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (((*).).(.(*))) ((*).(*)) 10 10 10 < 1312925886 100914 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show ((a -> a) -> a -> a) < 1312925886 279098 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising fro... < 1312925899 298762 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1312925900 613312 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in such a list, 2 terms which are inverse of each other are negated.. < 1312925919 994045 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Sum sort of has a well-defined meaning < 1312925923 839940 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ListOfTermsLHS = ListOfTermsRHS < 1312925937 779862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: yes, that's saying that addition is a commutative group operation < 1312925941 154461 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if the equality is true, then yes < 1312925954 249351 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you allow for a term to have a sign < 1312925955 329315 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what oerjan said < 1312925971 376392 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :then subtraction can be performed with addition of course < 1312925994 573440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do the same for products as long as there are no zeros, because multiplication is also a commutative group operation except on zeros < 1312926012 923556 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-13-77.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1312926047 337883 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but suppose you want to change one of the coefficients in one of these lists, then you have to change the coefficient in every term in both lists right? < 1312926092 384850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: generally what you do is to apply the _same_ operation to the LHS and the RHS, with parentheses around everything, and then you simplify each side < 1312926122 505439 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't really do addition on groups i guess < 1312926122 934375 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (((*).).(.(*))) 2 90 3 < 1312926124 736094 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6 < 1312926176 834534 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is my new definition for multiplication forever < 1312926181 272996 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1312926183 105938 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you can't say....( 5 + 6 + 4)+3 = (8+9+7) < 1312926187 321054 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1312926198 963172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: wtf happened to the 90 < 1312926202 202560 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :are esolangs really this popular? < 1312926210 758148 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It doesn't do anything < 1312926213 66472 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (((*).).(.(*))) 2 150 3 < 1312926214 305692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide: this counts as popular? < 1312926214 988041 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6 < 1312926222 419527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's more people on the wiki than on here, by far < 1312926223 383162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (((*).).(.(*))) < 1312926224 65936 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b a. (Num b, Num a) => ((a -> a) -> b) -> a -> b -> b < 1312926237 776764 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, i was talking about esolangs in general not this channel compared to the wiki < 1312926244 184984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1312926250 64702 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1312926258 792209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide: Well... they're popular enough to have a smallish wiki and IRC channel, yes :-P < 1312926266 583273 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1312926267 350723 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: SO POINTFREE < 1312926272 291291 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am thinking of creating a esolang < 1312926279 959410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide: Although I must warn you we're off-topic most of the time. < 1312926284 717607 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better < 1312926335 524701 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide, indeed, being on-topic is generally the sign of a noob. < 1312926346 664821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on-topic is better < 1312926347 915284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the primary sign of that is being Phantom_Hoover. < 1312926348 339305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just harder < 1312926351 176633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and off-topic is often interesting < 1312926361 941480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but but, @ < 1312926367 314784 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's this time dilation! < 1312926373 228709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I consider @ ontopi < 1312926374 984305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ontopic < 1312926376 944463 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and refusing to go off-topic makes you anti social < 1312926382 482610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : like you can't say....( 5 + 6 + 4)+3 = (8+9+7) <-- nope, that would be distribution which is a special relationship between addition and multiplication < 1312926384 232416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide: it makes you ais523 < 1312926385 839331 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what's the topic < 1312926395 619020 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shall remember that < 1312926402 563047 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide, nah, antisocial doesn't worth that way on IRC. < 1312926408 237445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: bromide < 1312926413 504440 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hating brainfuck derivatives makes Phantom_Hoover antisocial < 1312926423 516356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I like how we complain about various minor character traits as being vaguely ais523-esque, but calling someone ais523 would be an unwarranted compliment in 99 percent of cases < 1312926423 734931 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like this channel < 1312926426 605083 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 TOPIC #esoteric :Don't enjoy unlocking the matrix of iodide, please. | wget -s 42 redpill | man mouth | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1312926431 370798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor guy must be so confused < 1312926444 70805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I, umm, think that's a compliment? < 1312926451 780510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my thoughts exactly < 1312926454 418739 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no it's a complement. < 1312926465 675474 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :complemint < 1312926473 316881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :complete mint flavour diagram freshness < 1312926473 482793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1312926476 674362 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is the design of a esolang hard? < 1312926480 217894 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am brainstorming atm < 1312926486 489520 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even knowing what is comming next < 1312926488 977138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide: making a bad esolang is really easy < 1312926490 43206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide: no. see http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Shameful < 1312926492 965530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :making a good esolang is pretty hard < 1312926493 903357 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1312926501 684642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: I consider @ ontopi <-- what did the ontopus do to you < 1312926506 673529 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :my goal isnt to make it a good language < 1312926513 121213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you make another boring brainfuck derivative, everyone will shout at you < 1312926516 328535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, good at being an esolang < 1312926517 892939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thank you for showcasing your character trait to sllide. < 1312926532 30640 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide: Define multiplication as (((*).).(.(*))) < 1312926533 917780 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I have a character trait < 1312926537 444412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: monqy < 1312926552 770138 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking about something befunge like < 1312926563 261242 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide, always a bad sign. < 1312926568 353421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it? < 1312926569 918422 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :be careful or you'll make another boring befunge derivative < 1312926576 24554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's more interesting than thinkign about something BF-like < 1312926577 161905 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i know < 1312926581 38505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yw < 1312926581 721680 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of making an English-like conlang < 1312926589 425048 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, only because it's not been done to death. < 1312926590 420230 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the only thing i want is it to be 2d like bf < 1312926600 454098 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that concept < 1312926600 526390 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide, oh, that's OK. < 1312926602 680458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: If there were a billion Feather derivatives that'd be boring too < 1312926605 344476 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh ok < 1312926608 402344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :puns and proving things TC, that's my shtick < 1312926608 997201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide: Careful abbreviating Befunge as BF < 1312926611 427105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF means brainfuck :P < 1312926626 238215 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca TOPIC #esoteric :Don't enjoy unlocking the matrix of bromide, please. | wget -s 42 redpill | man mouth | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1312926627 447969 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1312926631 383786 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge and brainfuck "one and the same" < 1312926633 857341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you prove my toaster TC... it can't duplicate things, but it can toast them < 1312926635 462114 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but also the design of Brainfuck is also far more amenable to making terrible derivatives. < 1312926654 594314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF is generally used as an abbreviation for "brainfuck" < 1312926658 759625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that word needs abbreviation < 1312926665 58329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you miscapitalised "brainfuck" < 1312926667 206530 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'll just replace all the >'s with % and I'll be interesting < 1312926677 764852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it doesn't really need abbreviation < 1312926680 521565 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am so bad at being creative < 1312926682 836489 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I couldn't care less. < 1312926687 375837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's painful to type < 1312926696 4411 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant even come up with a project name < 1312926697 588058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does it physically hurt you to type out curses < 1312926699 190099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well duplication might be simulated. can you do _two_ toastings looking like jesus? < 1312926708 873074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, I'm fine with them in an appropriate context < 1312926712 822058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide: that's not lack of creativity, that's one of the two hard problems of computer sciience. < 1312926721 20513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide: the others are caching and fencepost errors < 1312926722 432572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't use them very often, so they aren't ingrained in muscle memory < 1312926727 462646 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You miscapitalise most sentences. Please stop being prescriptivist about things that aren't even prescribed, kthxbye < 1312926730 769881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: try swearing a lot < 1312926735 541129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I rarely have problems naming things < 1312926741 382705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: try not whining so much about people who correct your capitalisation of bf < 1312926742 230763 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lol < 1312926745 805765 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate fencepost errors < 1312926756 330365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I have correct spelling and grammar for IRC < 1312926762 146627 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why, they're the ones correcting me. < 1312926763 956210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the grammar I use is consistent, it's just different from normal written English < 1312926775 278384 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :different == wrong < 1312926781 588182 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember having one in the graphics driver of my OS < 1312926795 935038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: because you went into a full-blown rant when you incorrectly corrected an esowiki page's capitalisation of it and I fixed it < 1312926823 693844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: English really needs a syntax-tree nesting limit enforced at gunpoint < 1312926828 902882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: If there were a billion Feather derivatives that'd be boring too <-- there can only be one feather derivative in recorded history, although it might change < 1312926839 555749 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and I don't want to go into another one, so please shut up about it. < 1312926844 535925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyone who disagrees will be shown [[Checkout]] < 1312926845 342164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why? I'd be more likely to break it than almost anyone else < 1312926866 176000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You're really overreacting, btw. < 1312926881 715840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide: you have an OS? let me tell you about how much better @ is... < 1312926891 90964 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm shutting up about it; please return the favour. < 1312926893 302277 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasnt a os < 1312926899 448224 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a attempt at a os < 1312926904 970293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So's @ ;-) < 1312926912 755386 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1312926918 893444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: it's painful to type <-- just write some slash fiction for practice and that should pass < 1312926921 243882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: different OSes are good for different purposes, I don't think you could use @ for hard-realtime control of a microcontroller < 1312926931 248044 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what... < 1312926934 676614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I wouldn't use an OS for hard-realtime control of a microcontroller < 1312926945 865817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if it's doing more than one thing, you need at least a trivial OS < 1312926955 333795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: careful, he'll rage/part < 1312926969 696428 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (/) fiction < 1312926970 764896 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `fiction' < 1312926975 936809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that last time I programmed a DSP, I used a pre-empting OS where each process had a number and pre-empted lower-numbered processes < 1312926989 256558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell I think you could get @ to be hard-realtime < 1312926991 672328 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1312926995 910456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm not imaginative enough to write truly great slash fiction < 1312926997 789580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have to not run most of the standard system though < 1312927007 830267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you could keep, like, the equivalent of the language stdlib < 1312927012 884913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as its performance guarantees were OK for you < 1312927016 328927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you could replace the language itself) < 1312927022 817993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote oerjan: I'm not imaginative enough to write truly great slash fiction < 1312927023 773639 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :574) oerjan: I'm not imaginative enough to write truly great slash fiction < 1312927048 561415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how right after sllide entered the channel went insane < 1312927058 898409 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tend to do that < 1312927059 865050 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So ais523 is a clay tureen? < 1312927086 219040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: we're that insane anyway, but someone new joining increases activity, so it becomes more obvious < 1312927092 868942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: I'm not sure what you're referencing < 1312927118 471743 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it depends what you mean by "great" < 1312927132 284601 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like a bit of chaos < 1312927156 848527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if I can modify that dataflow model to handle mutable references < 1312927179 586305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must salvage my terribleness < 1312927268 251360 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i have 2 goals, one is to have a 2d non liniar programming language, and a way to add graphical i/o later on < 1312927309 355739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: careful, he'll rage/part <-- oh right, should get him addicted first < 1312927334 936520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey fungot, increase our standards < 1312927335 8608 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just be patient, the answer, the fact remained except a note of this, since it just looks so 8ad! < 1312927336 215448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I only just got the joke < 1312927340 625420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1312927350 604119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, there was a joke? < 1312927352 542744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you're not helping < 1312927352 614790 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for a while it was frustrating. they will come a day < 1312927353 475849 :Vivio-chan!~vivio@adsl-68-95-249-36.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312927355 926093 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ship < 1312927356 530088 :Vivio-chan!~vivio@adsl-68-95-249-36.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ships GreaseMonkey/ineiros <3 <3
< 1312927361 352852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I < 1312927361 437414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: glad to know it wasn't intentional < 1312927364 34541 :Vivio-chan!~vivio@adsl-68-95-249-36.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1312927366 717204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: other things that aren't helping: you < 1312927372 258549 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, I can't imagine @ not being flexible enough to be able to remove/replace any impediments to realtime. < 1312927374 321245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, I see it now < 1312927376 899097 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, go write the slashfic. Now. < 1312927379 990215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, probably < 1312927383 877323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: you have a bot ready to bring into channels just in case that happens/ < 1312927387 747251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is terrible how did everything suddenly become terrible < 1312927392 786191 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um. Nope! < 1312927395 424902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a chanel,,, < 1312927401 598746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: help < 1312927407 753946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: I suppose it wouldn't have taken that long to write one < 1312927413 505935 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, worst case scenario you'd make your hard realtime thing be the only thing running, disable the scheduler, and voila. < 1312927416 344961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it could have been done in the time since oerjan's commetn < 1312927418 731664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*comment < 1312927428 39391 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're running on bare hardware, except less painful. < 1312927430 205050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: hard realtime stuff often does need a scheduler < 1312927432 354240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I think it's kind of cheating < 1312927433 644577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a very deterministic one < 1312927444 923975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're not really running @ any more < 1312927451 904401 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, this would be cheating. < 1312927456 932808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're running some other OS that happens to use some of @'s libraries < 1312927459 770133 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hence why I said "worst case". < 1312927463 352465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which may involve its object creation stuff < 1312927465 728248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1312927491 751289 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats @? < 1312927492 777757 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi im back < 1312927495 738137 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help???? < 1312927499 524028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is certainly targeted at things that aren't any kind of realtime, with one person sitting at them, with a fairly decent processor on it < 1312927500 225383 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More practically, you'd probably just make the scheduler give hard realtime guarantees. < 1312927506 535749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: channel explode, < 1312927508 70834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide: ah < 1312927518 448155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide: will you not ask if I say don't ask? < 1312927527 443497 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1312927536 811785 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it that bad? < 1312927539 324874 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just hard to explain < 1312927543 178693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide: ask me again slightly later when I have nothing to do that isn't explaining @ < 1312927545 509903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like < 1312927546 553440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in five minutes < 1312927552 292593 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1312927564 385877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide: @ is an OS made out of only the finest vapour < 1312927572 949898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hides
< 1312927578 644706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hunts down, murders oerjan
< 1312927581 638742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :standard policy < 1312927589 597706 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Which might even already exist — there's a chance you'd want some things for the end user being realtime... (though I can't really think of much that's *hard* realtime for that) < 1312927591 652625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: at least your city isn't rioting at the moment < 1312927592 963467 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1312927618 906645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live far enough from the centre that it hasn't affected me other than preventing me travelling easily < 1312927623 265565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still annoying < 1312927624 459954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why don't people live in fireproof buildings; hypothesis: they're idiots < 1312927633 364394 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote sllide: @ is an OS made out of only the finest vapour < 1312927634 659480 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :575) sllide: @ is an OS made out of only the finest vapour < 1312927636 114033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because completely fireproofing a building is really hard < 1312927638 795352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i am saying is, riots only affect people who live in stupid buildings. < 1312927641 775956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :next question < 1312927647 467928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: Which might even already exist — there's a chance you'd want some things for the end user being realtime... (though I can't really think of much that's *hard* realtime for that) < 1312927659 496366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: well user input always gets processed immediately in the standard desktop @ < 1312927660 778805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey i was carefully using british spelling for you < 1312927679 950467 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: at least your city isn't rioting at the moment < 1312927680 63289 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Pretty sure that's still soft realtime. < 1312927682 291773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise you don't really have many options if something starts hogging your CPU < 1312927683 816435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1312927695 410644 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silly ais, elliott doesn't live in a city. < 1312927697 33277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's really annoying to have your cursor start moving slower when your system is under load < 1312927698 296327 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But eh, you can overkill that just fine. :) < 1312927713 186029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: has the rioting reached Scotland yet? I haven't heard any reports of it, but am not sure I would if it had < 1312927723 613186 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, nothing I've heard of. < 1312927723 707294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in Glasgow, they call that Tuesday < 1312927729 809220 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That too. < 1312927745 108859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, have I become an agent of Edinburgh unwittingly? < 1312927750 92596 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Riots in Glasgow would probably be reported as a sudden drop in crime. < 1312927750 164734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in London/Birmingham/Manchester, the rioters are really just trying to create a diversion so that they can burgle things < 1312927757 380971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, MWAHAHAHAHAHA < 1312927767 9201 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RESISTANCE IS FUTILE < 1312927769 838453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Riots in Glasgow would probably be reported as a sudden drop in crime. < 1312927770 963654 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :576) Riots in Glasgow would probably be reported as a sudden drop in crime. < 1312927775 525975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Phantom_Hoover: has the rioting reached Scotland yet? I haven't heard any reports of it, but am not sure I would if it had ais523: in Glasgow, they call that Tuesday Riots in Glasgow would probably be reported as a sudden drop in crime. < 1312927776 651927 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :577) Phantom_Hoover: has the rioting reached Scotland yet? I haven't heard any reports of it, but am not sure I would if it had ais523: in Glasgow, they call that Tuesday Riots in Glasgow would probably be reported as a sudden drop in crime. < 1312927782 162044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oops........ < 1312927782 266281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1312927786 77163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is better........ < 1312927790 322347 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I PREFER OERJAN'S < 1312927794 241451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 577 < 1312927795 648134 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* < 1312927796 513742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do I, i think < 1312927797 894411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Glasgow < 1312927799 205788 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :576) Riots in Glasgow would probably be reported as a sudden drop in crime. < 1312927799 708639 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have those two unfunny idiots. < 1312927805 114525 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1312927851 52957 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i think i finally caught up < 1312927855 556046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have a nightmare: you're remotely administrating an @ system, when suddenly, every UI element living on it stops updating........ and responding to input < 1312927859 71540 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we done exploding < 1312927870 786745 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1312927875 41258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: MAYBE < 1312927880 571825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you discard them and open a remote emergency console object........... and it doesn't load < 1312927893 730221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~sequel~ < 1312927899 340470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sounds like a connection drop? < 1312927901 567331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you call the hosting company and ask them to check on the physical machine......... < 1312927904 749844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's NOT THERE < 1312927915 814330 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a quantum teleportation to the moon. < 1312927922 531807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was trying to imply it was completely frozen, which in @ is a situation as difficult to create as it is to get out of < 1312927930 830380 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is my nightmare every night < 1312927960 702184 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1312927982 870684 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the physical machine is not there? that sounds like trouble < 1312927991 37868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~hollywood sequel~ < 1312927992 274733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the machine < 1312927993 871399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was NEVER THERE < 1312927999 932110 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0 < 1312928000 653519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hosting company check their records... < 1312928001 717721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and YOU < 1312928002 430656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T < 1312928003 111211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXIST < 1312928009 847049 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck, everything i come up with is almost identical like befunge < 1312928014 161237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you look at your body < 1312928016 819919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and discover IT DOESN'T EXIST < 1312928023 180795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you retreat into your conscious mind < 1312928025 17801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only to find out that < 1312928025 718200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT < 1312928026 780128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOESN'T < 1312928027 771425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXIST < 1312928029 802625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :roll credits < 1312928049 523116 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :only to find.. the movie doesn't exist < 1312928050 891229 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The director... < 1312928056 571157 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOESN'T EXIST < 1312928063 223224 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1312928072 599440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear diary: today itidus20 and Phantom_Hoover made the same joke simultaneously. Today my life fulfilled itself. < 1312928093 787424 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a diary < 1312928096 202531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: actually, I wonder why Linux systems can freeze up totally? < 1312928101 736513 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, your life did? not itidus20 and Phantom_Hoover? < 1312928103 477464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only assume the scheduler is really dumb < 1312928115 915752 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you stop to count the number of things which have gone wrong, and discover that integers do not exist < 1312928116 379399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: presumably a lock on something really important doesn't get released < 1312928124 492726 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1312928128 943302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but you can lock up a linux system without running into any kind of critical bug < 1312928133 341637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to mention, a kernel panic deliberately locks up the system < 1312928134 602217 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually I was aiming for a subversion of the M. Night Shyamalan joke, but it obviously fell flat. < 1312928136 734577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just start a load of memory-hogging and CPU-hogging processes < 1312928138 872212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, I got that < 1312928139 670556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just loops with the caps lock light flashing < 1312928143 794605 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't you read the whole soap opera about some guy's heroic efforts at making a sane scheduler for linux? < 1312928151 97007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: BFS? < 1312928156 236560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that it avoids total lockups < 1312928161 205322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be better if it were actually written in BF < 1312928162 642680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, obviously total lockups < 1312928165 136136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't total lockups < 1312928172 199624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's still running the really intensive processes < 1312928178 501412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why is it never switching to your UI long enough for it to do anything? < 1312928196 795700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does a bunch of processes being really demanding of resources deprive other processes that don't even want much? < 1312928239 216690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see, you're talking about thrashing, etc? < 1312928246 553792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1312928249 840030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had that happen on Windows too < 1312928258 287921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but I generally expect Linux to be slightly saner < 1312928260 113634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and BSDs too < 1312928261 415387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it can happen on OS X? my guess is yes, but I'm not sure < 1312928265 226250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1312928279 164727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, obviously it's easy to write an OS naively that has this problem, but I don't see why you can't solve it < 1312928295 500476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might slow down things that actually do really intensive stuff, but those are generally servers and it is OK for servers to use different schedulers < 1312928324 223278 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess in Linux's case it's because X is a normal process and it'd be hard to do nicely? < 1312928342 427057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: when you get a lock up that hard, does control-alt-F1 work well? < 1312928346 648119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'd be very surprised if setting X + your WM + your terminal to realtime priority would solve the issue < 1312928349 854992 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1312928353 476205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Sometimes. < 1312928359 146062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: If it does, it is generally really slow. < 1312928363 465248 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I've had lockouts much worse than that in the past. < 1312928365 197296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, faster than your GUI, but still hugely lagged. < 1312928372 862913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I turned memory overcommit off, and it helped < 1312928374 623870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in it can take over a minute to log in < 1312928383 367015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but now you can't run SBCL :) < 1312928384 906457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time I accidentally wrote a program that took up all of memory, I just got an "out of memory" error < 1312928406 429213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was trying to brute-force a travelling salesman problem solution, using A*) < 1312928419 389756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :using all of an @ system's memory would be Fun < 1312928421 345058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the number of places to visit was small enough that I thought it might be bruteforceable, but it turns out it wasn't) < 1312928433 870660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you clearly need an rlimit equivalent < 1312928446 346107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1312928459 916654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's just "only giving code an allocator that keeps track of how much space it's used so far", etc. < 1312928469 489522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1312928479 181861 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the nonshittiest way to share big files for free? Like rapidshare and such only ... not terrible. < 1312928485 126079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpu time limiting might he harder < 1312928489 703048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: mediafire is what I use, because it's... acceptable. < 1312928496 40031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I ran into that problem recently; in the end, we used netcat + md5 < 1312928499 998079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*md5sum < 1312928505 774851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It has ads and it's shittyish, but it doesn't force you to wait before downloading < 1312928511 798429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the best of the bunch since filebin.ca went down < 1312928533 589415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mediafire doesn't work well with wget < 1312928538 252118 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how big is big < 1312928555 861912 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, DF-region-file big? < 1312928568 615485 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: 200M < 1312928582 53483 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am going outside smoke a cig and hope something comes up in my mind while i'm doing that < 1312928584 381680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yeah, go with Mediafire < 1312928590 790420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You can get it to work, it's just awkward < 1312928594 910286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for two hundred megs, [browser] should be fine < 1312928605 226212 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Okidoke. < 1312928616 644943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: There's also email, if you have lenient enough servers < 1312928660 975802 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide, well-established technique. < 1312928661 145141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I tried email first, the other end's gmail rejected it because I was sending a tarball and one of the files in it had a .bat extension < 1312928665 160132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is, umm, a little silly < 1312928670 107990 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just look at all the languages... nooga... erm. < 1312928703 705076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Hey, oklopol liked SADOL moderately. < 1312928743 220152 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I didn't know he made it, though. < 1312928942 395825 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Then can you do something such as reverse the file before sending? < 1312928961 991729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I try to avoid PMs on IRC < 1312928962 63744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : and there was that nutter who kept trying to get me on google voice or whatnot < 1312928962 63847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : deeply unpleasant < 1312928963 934899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: is this the hacker guy < 1312928977 846510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8 bits per character should be enough for anyone! < 1312928978 379105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1312928989 148897 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm? < 1312929006 795870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I could have done, but we'd already set up netcat by then < 1312929009 528949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: is that the guy who thought notice was hacking < 1312929027 70279 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312929028 315371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : for instance nations who use most characters should have only 1byte, and chinese can take 6bytes for a sign, since their sign tells you much more than 10bytes of long word in 1byte < 1312929042 682739 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't think there is such a person, but at one point I thought jasonmxristos thought that < 1312929051 601543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you busy quoting unintelligable people? < 1312929056 787334 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1312929061 29726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's #jesus, the #esoteric away from #esoteric < 1312929082 20886 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1312929083 326205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : the tough questions why does God do such and such < 1312929086 7824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely the tough questions < 1312929193 876512 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1312929281 323249 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can do better than that < 1312929290 921806 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1312929362 81404 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :From whose tradition did you start to refer to god in capitalized pronouns? The people in the bible were largely illiterate and thus they couldn't say pronouns with a capitalization. When did this start? < 1312929382 138674 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the kind of question I can think up when I am looking to show off that i am tougher than warg < 1312929393 224262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok Sgeo i must ask < 1312929404 763151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is #jesus ever anything BUT reiterations of "debates" people have had about a thousand times < 1312929426 216342 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be way better if all the atheists just shut up. < 1312929426 727062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i love it, it is like groundhog day, if that were an IRC channel, and not a film starring bill murray. or si bill murray in#jesus/s?????????/// < 1312929428 540484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: actually, nouns/pronouns used to be capitalised in English < 1312929431 211409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I" still is < 1312929439 566320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: totally, they're so annoying < 1312929439 651294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but many lost their capitalisation over time < 1312929440 934788 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can #jesus ever NOT be reiterations of debates < 1312929446 980818 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't prove anything empirically re: religion < 1312929449 149023 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't get anywhere < 1312929453 412223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: it could be a circlejerk < 1312929460 613794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kind of the POINT of #jesus < 1312929465 560472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's meant to be like a christian hangout < 1312929470 183285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all these atheists are ruining it for the rest of us < 1312929471 305233 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, except the ones who just gently egg them on. < 1312929476 596339 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1312929495 449463 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i.e. the atheists are ruining the show? < 1312929503 819872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: precisely. < 1312929516 445192 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of expected atheists to create some action, but maybe they are boring atheists < 1312929526 48144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's mostly just < 1312929533 308626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: "HURR YOU CAN'T EMPIRICALLY PROVE GOD - I WIN" < 1312929544 313180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't empirically disprove God either < 1312929549 505438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: and then responding to people who talk with "(ha ha this is funny because christians are stupid)" < 1312929560 978690 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to argue. I do it for the thrill much like a hunter shooting down pidgeons. < 1312929565 452493 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, but you can't empirically disprove that you're a figment of my imagination. < 1312929570 877293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nor Russell's teapot, but there are far simpler reasons to reject god < 1312929590 657429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: and why would I want to? < 1312929595 505511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i am saying is, exterminating atheists worldwide to make #jesus a more entertaining place: a reasonable proposition? < 1312929602 133439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no < 1312929607 7445 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just ban them from #jesus < 1312929611 276171 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I already did that one. < 1312929632 787574 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Totally reasonable < 1312929635 718019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1312929645 360234 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You first. < 1312929647 671884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: they're allowed there which is STUPID < 1312929653 505733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: no im a christian now < 1312929668 308570 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The offer still stands. < 1312929673 913682 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just... unallow them < 1312929683 243102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i cant im not op :( < 1312929686 113427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :injustices < 1312929694 656809 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-33-19.resnet.ucsb.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1312929708 955780 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to produce the image of a good christian so you get op < 1312929710 903436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I were op I would provide a stable and caring environment for people who talk about how they burn books to circlejerk in peace < 1312929723 387350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but Sgeo was almost op and is athiest..... more athie than anyone else in there................... < 1312929735 44107 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1312929740 238519 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe complaining some about the atheists would help giva a "good guy for cleaning up the channel" impression < 1312929766 974482 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yeah, man, those atheists should be crucified!" < 1312929773 411484 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upside down < 1312929785 5399 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spinning < 1312929799 342427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Sgeo would out me because he's a jerk < 1312929800 919523 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cross on rotating platter < 1312929805 211497 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the eighth seven sin: being an unfunny atheist in a christian forum < 1312929807 548380 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, just more ideas that look like befunge >.< < 1312929809 977647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* DanFred (~asd@0x55531367.adsl.cybercity.dk) has joined #jesus < 1312929813 585672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : real christianity in ##christian < 1312929813 933385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : here you are banned for saying killing is not christian < 1312929817 427809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pro < 1312929832 188846 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man is ##christian like #jesus but more so < 1312929834 327645 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: What, and tarnish St. Peter? < 1312929858 87437 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I'm willing to make a case that Peter was the first ever atheist. :D < 1312929889 827229 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, fuck that, I'm eating chicken now < 1312929892 794959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Users on ##christian: elliott Sgeo Phantom_Hoover DanFred ^peter^ ljrbot luke-jr sec^nd luke-jr|otg @ChanServ < 1312929896 121400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: initial evidence says "yes" < 1312929908 683493 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks brilliant < 1312929921 255174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is ChanServ christian? < 1312929923 26219 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Astonishing considering what Peter did. < 1312929928 524159 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i didn't know that by the way about pronouns... cool stuff < 1312929933 590451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ChanServ is literally jesus. (this is the best religion ok.) < 1312929958 169093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^peter^, incidentally, I am aware that your demands that I prove I exist are an attempt to distract me from your failure to provide *any evidence* (not a proof, merely evidence that meets the mainstream definition of what evidence is) of the form you claimed was available using basic research < 1312929961 331210 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I don't know which way to go on the "i" < 1312929971 840277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE RUINING THE CHANNEL LUPINE :/ < 1312929994 729945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`don'taddquotebutireallywantto christianity is not a badge you buy in USA with your gun purchase < 1312929995 846237 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1312930271 975979 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is this so-called real christianity < 1312930279 933196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: catholicism < 1312930312 263658 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they ever quibble about which flavour of christianity is right < 1312930315 122581 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Real Christianity", who knows.... maybe... < 1312930354 704433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I am banned from this channel for saying that soldiers are evil because they kill and Jesus is pacifism < 1312930359 962668 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, constantly < 1312930364 114420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pacifism wafers < 1312930369 593387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: he means hash hash christian < 1312930374 420028 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1312930378 154873 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant both < 1312930388 146088 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#jesus bickers all the time < 1312930398 808874 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a ##catholic or ##christian regular < 1312930404 613498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone who doesn't have predisposed lament bias against them ask him what he thinks qualia are < 1312930416 458149 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait now danfred is pacifism??? I thought last he said that killing is christian??????? < 1312930421 439910 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hlep???????? < 1312930426 390239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: here you are banned for saying killing is not christian < 1312930432 367854 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1312930443 848198 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I misinterpret that < 1312930452 570905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was in jesus < 1312930463 107400 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1312930472 836495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : we've even weighed bodies before and after death to see if anything changes < 1312930474 532845 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then what was "soldiers are evil because they kill" about < 1312930477 433106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently this is a test of dualism < 1312930482 870382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: he hates hash-jesus < 1312930486 359899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was making a complaint < 1312930492 90115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : we've even weighed bodies before and after death to see if anything changes < 1312930492 964672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i think < 1312930495 656446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need to all appreciate how this is < 1312930498 825649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best test for dualism possible < 1312930524 975087 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The weight cannot test for dualism, that is dumb. < 1312930528 390864 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the classic "souls have mass" hypothesis < 1312930532 208338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was how phlogiston was proved to not exist < 1312930536 550236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, have a negative weight < 1312930549 645019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :phlogiston = the matter->spirit bridge?? < 1312930551 218237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCIENCE SAYS YES < 1312930556 222929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote the classic "souls have mass" hypothesis < 1312930557 414431 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :577) the classic "souls have mass" hypothesis < 1312930566 189095 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Yes, if you assume souls have both location and mass... but how can you know either one is correct? < 1312930578 720981 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312930585 218119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Is the sentence, "This is a load of bull" really necessary for the scholarly development of the article?" --[[Talk:Phlogiston theory]] < 1312930585 844293 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: maybe that's what they were testing. secretly. < 1312930613 743076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : lupine_85, I'm going to agree with Phantom_Hoover on this. I'd think opening up the brain, and seeing only neurons, and their parts, etc., is a better evidence against dualism < 1312930623 785736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you realise that dualism could be implemented in the laws of physics < 1312930634 958382 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1312930644 29628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just run a process over everything that looks like a brain and copy the information you get out of them to the spirit world < 1312930656 490802 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that would be zombie world stuff < 1312930660 740262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe like < 1312930660 912027 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not back and forth communication < 1312930662 708456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :avoided a race condition < 1312930667 195572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]maybe that like < 1312930667 536876 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think that disproves dualism though, but it does show what dualism is not. Of course that does not mean dualism exists either; it just means that if it does, it is not that. < 1312930671 206778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe god is just a really bad programmer < 1312930687 913284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well ok. < 1312930688 971246 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "just run a process over everything that looks like a brain and copy the information you get out of them to the spirit world" is absurd. < 1312930714 718934 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, anyone here got some ideas for me? < 1312930722 778196 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide: ideas? < 1312930727 333200 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a esolang < 1312930732 707765 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide is here for making an esolang < 1312930740 2133 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1312930742 304870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you can do that in a computer simulation, so you can do it in a universe < 1312930744 689856 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide, make an RTS themed esolang < 1312930747 430439 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a roguelike themed esolang < 1312930750 746797 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide: I don't know. You can look at the list of ideas and make up something else new < 1312930751 997285 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a religion themed esolang < 1312930758 188966 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a civilization/SMAC themed esolang < 1312930760 844281 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, where is that list? < 1312930761 527191 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes you probably can, but that does not mean it is not absurd < 1312930768 116962 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide: In wiki < 1312930770 114947 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of religion, what about a political themed esolang? < 1312930772 603478 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1312930776 994722 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In esolang wiki < 1312930786 761899 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/List_of_ideas < 1312930788 236949 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha politics < 1312930797 761119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lupine is really stupid < 1312930806 204556 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :made up of politicians, who each have a voting function < 1312930809 694369 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elect President Democrat < 1312930813 801277 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, thanks < 1312930815 194322 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :when a value is put up, all politicians vote aye or nay and it either passes or fails... < 1312930818 389194 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this is sounding like a neural network < 1312930822 674590 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vote on Proposition 25 < 1312930832 179452 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops hmm < 1312930856 329646 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh bugmaker < 1312930900 315640 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike tehz < 1312930906 857037 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this bad < 1312930909 813818 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Democrats Propose Presidential Candidate Obama. Republicans Propose Presidental Candidate McCain. Elect President. Move President to White House. < 1312930912 713098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that is called being human monqy < 1312930915 85161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or being a monkey < 1312930916 502786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it may be < 1312930933 532337 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are monkeys subhuman < 1312930934 215549 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :While in office, uhmm < 1312930936 215006 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: We need to get ^peter^ banned because it's really annoying to highlight him < 1312930969 994382 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think monkeys are unhuman. That is, everything not human is unhuman, and human is not unhuman. It is my opinion. < 1312930992 247681 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, note that "unhuman" should not imply anything other than just this, please! < 1312930992 902469 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Senate Votes on x > 5. < 1312931015 267028 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if x > 5 wins the ballot... < 1312931071 822114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy++ < 1312931072 331217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: have you tried p ? < 1312931076 545243 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't mind me sllide... i have many unbaked ideas < 1312931083 378669 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1312931085 120120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott bc that's what yhvh had writ in Gen. 1. < 1312931085 462398 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One idea I had about esolang is the "Crab's Jukebox"-style programming language. < 1312931085 534880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1312931091 556034 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It doesn't work < 1312931098 460045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1312931098 543286 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :His name starts with "^" < 1312931101 807495 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking of something related with images < 1312931108 995387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Please ask lament exactly how he defines qualia it's insanely irritating. < 1312931121 120673 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can't do it? < 1312931133 900316 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 TOPIC #esoteric :Don't enjoy unlocking the matrix of iodide, please. | wget -s 42 redpill | man mouth | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1312931134 247977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: well i'm asking if you've _tried_. i believe some clients ignore non-alphanums for selecting nicks to expand to < 1312931138 744171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no, because he dislikes me and won't respond with the full sincerity he might give you. < 1312931142 940346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least the sixty percent sincerity. < 1312931150 280473 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I did try. Sadly, no joy. T_T < 1312931151 825486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally one of the regular Christians would ask. < 1312931158 904670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of the slightly less bizarre variety) < 1312931183 345513 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, ^peter^'s weird spacing drives me insane < 1312931195 902969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think debates about qualia, intelligence, emotions, pain and so on would be improved by a healthy dose of computer science/programming knowledge < 1312931197 137239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: r u srs < 1312931210 458290 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :qualia is that which is percieved yet cannot be communicated directly. you can only assume that it exists < 1312931223 386411 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sure, it'd be like every debate having itidus20. < 1312931228 204390 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm going with images < 1312931232 928919 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot a little < 1312931239 423616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :,addquote Patashu, I am a genius computer scientist with special skills in AI. and yes it can help < 1312931245 542102 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, on that subject, get into #jesus already lupine is running it into the ground. < 1312931247 24777 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1312931250 509052 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric : Patashu, I am a genius computer scientist with special skills in AI. and yes it can help < 1312931252 342286 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit < 1312931254 348886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: YES GET INTO #JESUS WE NEED YOU < 1312931255 134046 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got disproven < 1312931278 25463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god < 1312931280 617812 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow im a genious computer scientist too < 1312931281 623379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is my favourite channel < 1312931282 985428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not this one, jesus < 1312931286 941438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you in jesus... if not why not < 1312931290 220259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fun situation in the Oracle vs. Google court case; Oracle are claiming that autosaves of an email from a Google employee to a Google lawyer don't fall under attorney-client privilege because the To: filed wasn't filled in when the autosave was taken < 1312931292 738956 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops i need to focus on esolang topic < 1312931295 449078 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont kwon < 1312931295 927944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not... misisng out < 1312931300 563598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: amazing < 1312931301 668577 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where can I get these "special skills in AI"? < 1312931301 924684 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i < 1312931302 780912 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :join < 1312931304 96235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*To: field < 1312931304 521818 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus < 1312931306 824399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes its mandatory < 1312931310 25649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: bible < 1312931311 256235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not entirely sure if their reasoning is correct or not < 1312931316 57011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^peter^, ye of little faith < 1312931316 129163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : lament, and you do have qualia < 1312931317 133609 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe a person walking and everything it encounters is executing < 1312931319 251009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this combined as "ye of little qualia" < 1312931320 866889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mentally < 1312931321 301582 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, duh. What a stupid question. < 1312931324 150078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, the autosaves /weren't/ sent to a lawyer... < 1312931335 605310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<^peter^> Free-man Dan does speak in tongues, English and danish at least. < 1312931336 542728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1312931340 125013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a quote base just for that other channel < 1312931344 492548 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament is just a bot < 1312931348 847839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i've mentioned by name enough times that if i do it again ais523 might get annoyed < 1312931354 312043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: wat < 1312931356 171416 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im feeling uncomfortable < 1312931361 849503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can be generally annoyed anyway < 1312931363 33580 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lupine is assuming that lament is a person and hence has a conciousness < 1312931368 93174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i am going to cyberbully you into joining < 1312931370 987360 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1312931374 312709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, yes < 1312931378 314999 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is done < 1312931385 39973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm just attempting to keep it at nothing greater than "moderately fuming" < 1312931391 818892 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we know better that lament is a bot, and hence is highly unlikely to have qualia < 1312931394 478622 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I'm gonna call all your friends and tell them you're not cool unless you join < 1312931395 126418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : monqy: i am going to cyberbully you into joining <--- I'll report it to Facebook! < 1312931398 412128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think we should all consider solipsist missionaries now because it is very funny. < 1312931398 666488 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :any more than my toaster oven < 1312931399 266972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: MY < 1312931399 832067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCKING < 1312931400 187922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDEA < 1312931402 124513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG < 1312931403 308256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU < 1312931403 738211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARE < 1312931407 829726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO < 1312931409 542620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :COPYRIGHT < 1312931415 308668 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1312931428 262404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU NEVER SAID IT WAS FUNNY TO ME ;____________-; < 1312931448 21706 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just need to get lupine to try a turing test on lament < 1312931455 478761 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^a reverse turing test < 1312931458 496240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: You must join and make it happen it is mandatory. < 1312931469 879490 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :too late now, maybe tomorrow I'll join #jesus to see what the fuzz is about < 1312931522 746688 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament is a bot made by bill gates to spy on rms < 1312931541 761011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : bool pain=true; that's pain? < 1312931542 119306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : float pain=1000000; that's a lot of pain? < 1312931557 118512 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it back < 1312931558 791556 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it baaaack < 1312931560 944462 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make him stop < 1312931567 345645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: jesus never stops < 1312931573 621512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: you _do_ know lament is a sometimes regular here? < 1312931580 63099 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always think ^peter^ is agreeing with whoever's above hi < 1312931581 262491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not any more, thanks to me :D < 1312931582 17850 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*him < 1312931601 671466 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan " lament, and you do have qualia" < 1312931604 145267 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION braces for jason
< 1312931609 478563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said "sometimes". < 1312931615 336534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sometimes regular < 1312931624 822970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wow who is this guy < 1312931628 49429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how has he started already < 1312931633 650362 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point is that it is unlikely that this lupine can prove lament is a human.. let alone prove he has qualia < 1312931640 192969 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn #jesus is ridiculous < 1312931650 500149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: sorry you are misspelling "the best channel" < 1312931666 457381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: JUST DON'T BELIEVE YOU'LL GET OPS BY WEARING OUT THE OLD ONES < 1312931680 874765 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric : lupine_85, I wont waste my time on you. when you are ready you can think about how to make a simple robot feel pain. it cannot be done. it's not very hard, it's not super hard. it cannot be done < 1312931689 60337 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't be done < 1312931706 465282 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just can't prove it feels pain < 1312931709 600059 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no metric < 1312931714 370180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote What is it with Cardassians, they're all really nice and then they hit you with a rock. < 1312931715 530093 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :578) What is it with Cardassians, they're all really nice and then they hit you with a rock. < 1312931720 604747 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make a *complicated* robot feel pain? < 1312931741 330562 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the pain of the gaps argument < 1312931746 317429 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter how good your robot is at feeling pain < 1312931748 705665 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's never close enough < 1312931752 180345 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all like "did that part of your brain which percieves pain activate?".. or as a doctor says "does it hurt when I do this?" < 1312931773 711702 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a robot there is no way of knowing < 1312931776 760717 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be back soon < 1312931789 64704 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the robot has all come about artificially < 1312931799 937071 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is as Magritte would say.. < 1312931808 807614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote it's the pain of the gaps argument no matter how good your robot is at feeling pain it's never close enough < 1312931809 915920 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :579) it's the pain of the gaps argument no matter how good your robot is at feeling pain it's never close enough < 1312931816 129339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ceci n'est pas une pain < 1312931820 386030 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1312931826 154391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : brainproxy: come in do you read me? < 1312931829 543210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: does he believe hes a spaceman... < 1312931831 660931 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though pain is masculine < 1312931837 109652 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan :thanks < 1312931852 258054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: have you encountered this jason guy before is he amazing... < 1312931853 865294 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, ceci n'est pas un pain < 1312931866 408219 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so. < 1312931869 514767 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Jason's a big ball of crazy. It's awesome < 1312931870 959834 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ceci n'est pas un sentient being < 1312931878 463453 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was trying to get Sgeo kicked < 1312931883 437787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : lupine_85, I'm a genius beyond what you will ever be. I am incomparably ahead of you. there is no chance I could be wrong about this. you are the one who doesn't think because you are not ready to handle the implications of it. ironically it is a spiritual failing. < 1312931887 831127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god < 1312931891 252063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a breakdown in realtime < 1312931894 28133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the uncanny valley of pain < 1312931898 379354 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :loooooooooool < 1312931908 99019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sorry ais523 but this is just too amazing not to be a part of < 1312931921 255625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree. < 1312931922 410874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Though pain is masculine <-- dammit < 1312931925 387530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^peter^: come in do you read me < 1312931930 266047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does he ping everyone like this NihilistDandy < 1312931940 433797 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He does, elliott < 1312931949 835416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok jesus chat in #esoteric-blah since ais523 is close to rage/parting < 1312931949 908235 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice call oerjan @ uncanny valley of pain < 1312931964 727565 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though usually he'll do it over and over until he gets some attention, elliott < 1312931993 424279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually I'm close to going home for unrelated reasons < 1312932009 91745 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to remember that the definition of that which can feel pain, is not met by a robot .. since it is all built up artificially and mechanically < 1312932016 373975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean close to doing your riot shopping < 1312932040 364063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I'm not like that < 1312932055 376585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the buses don't run this late, and walking to the city centre would take a couple of hours < 1312932059 973021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dr. ais523 and Mr. looter < 1312932084 548504 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as magritte says you cannot eat a painting of an apple... so, a robot does not gain human 'soul' is the word i think, by coming to more and more resemble a human < 1312932107 777941 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus then it's just a semantic argument < 1312932115 551090 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1312932120 148803 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... i don't know where i came from :P < 1312932121 635966 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. < 1312932127 878239 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then what is the proper definition of that which can feel pain? Is it difficult? Possibly it is. < 1312932132 149666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: that all depends on exactly what physical qualities are necessary to support a soul < 1312932153 312715 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe < 1312932165 978236 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But then, you also need to have the correct proper definition of a soul, if you want to figure that out using proper scientific methods. < 1312932178 778751 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you can just make a soul chair out of wood < 1312932186 327891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems biased to assume carbon water solutions are needed < 1312932187 580313 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :no drmas < 1312932207 768498 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes.. that theory is falling apart at the seams with that ammonia thing < 1312932208 142684 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes I think it is biased < 1312932215 316890 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... guess I should sleep? < 1312932217 788986 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a monospaced pastebin? < 1312932220 684911 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, what ammonia thing? < 1312932224 723039 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :not ammonia < 1312932225 420970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide: almost all of them; we tend to use sprunge.us < 1312932233 148397 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that lifeform discovered in some acid pool < 1312932241 172396 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was carbon present i think < 1312932242 588720 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I also prefer sprunge < 1312932244 606667 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was misreported. < 1312932245 781565 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothetical_types_of_biochemistry < 1312932260 1976 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm in windows atm >.< < 1312932269 19015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: arsenic but yes it was rather dubious science < 1312932284 800576 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i got ammonia mixed up with arsenic.. < 1312932300 753150 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :arsenic didn't replace the carbon as i recall but rather the phosphate < 1312932310 838244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: i think ammonia has been suggested as a possibility for those cold planets/moons like titan < 1312932315 412043 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops phosphorus < 1312932324 663695 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, except it didn't. < 1312932329 208793 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was misreported. < 1312932333 637548 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now tell me this.. < 1312932335 918725 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312932339 271139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide: what about windows? < 1312932342 989428 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :does a liquid depend on any special type of molecule < 1312932343 245798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: #esoteric-jesus < 1312932346 616855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the phosphorus is probably mostly in phosphate anyway < 1312932370 511517 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :any things made of molecules can go through stages of gas liquid and solid or whatever < 1312932383 38492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: no, but water is a very _unusual_ liquid with many other extraordinary properties < 1312932383 382197 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the same way it is feasible that life can exist out of any molecules < 1312932406 178463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so while it might be replaced, it might not work as well < 1312932409 7914 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, ice floats. < 1312932411 491756 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Yes, that does make sense. < 1312932413 175801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PART #esoteric :"rage/part" < 1312932415 809727 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: And yes that is true too. < 1312932423 247148 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very few liquids have that property. < 1312932431 119558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know of any other than water. < 1312932435 793700 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, does cmd support tunneling of arguments? < 1312932445 306768 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :output i mean < 1312932446 860049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: highly compressed diamond, remarkably :P < 1312932455 822239 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote eigenratio < 1312932456 957862 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :445) The eigenratio of reality has to be enormous, though. < 1312932457 528933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and heated) < 1312932487 377595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION saw that on reddit some months ago
< 1312932504 112584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide: sure < 1312932509 611881 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh >.< < 1312932510 864149 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :never knew < 1312932512 930149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was hypothesized that this diamond liquid might exist inside planets like jupiter < 1312932516 945662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll need curl, though < 1312932517 578169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1312932525 856931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide: you don't need pipes to paste to sprunge though < 1312932529 944942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide: curl -F 'sprunge=: < 1312932650 404906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1312932657 279484 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1312932673 59442 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :man danfred is really something < 1312932682 671266 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah thanks < 1312932699 614301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: (cheap plastic imitation of oerjan: "read Gödel's Last Letter - http://rjlipton.wordpress.com/") < 1312932700 650676 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :he also thinks P!=NP < 1312932712 77611 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what do *you* think about quantum free will? It is a bit different from classical free will, I think. < 1312932719 471808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: you misspelled PN < 1312932728 113629 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is PN!=NP? < 1312932735 260151 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1312932754 538436 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not a buddhist, but I am one who finds buddha regularly offers the most suitable answers about things < 1312932761 764193 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do beans contain the souls of dead people? Perhaps it is but such things would be completely irrelevant. There cannot be a proper "position" anyways < 1312932769 573150 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1312932770 888247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *Lost < 1312932772 540770 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes they do. < 1312932774 574850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh duh < 1312932775 817112 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Yes they probably do answer some things too < 1312932781 843554 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like in the latest Culture book. < 1312932788 644627 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heaven is a massive computer simulation < 1312932793 180376 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run inside beans. < 1312932797 108672 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :beans? < 1312932807 690106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: not quite: < 1312932808 753101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: elliott, only the rotten sobs < 1312932808 825085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : no < 1312932816 111593 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main presupposition of buddhism is rebirth < 1312932820 557381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: sssssssssssssh don't spoil me < 1312932843 830270 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, THEN READ THEM FFS < 1312932849 267337 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :a computer program running on my computer is qualia if I can't serialize it and move it to a different computer < 1312932857 355974 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PAPERBACK/HARDBACK IS NOT THAT IMPORTANT < 1312932861 188115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: ah, so @ is anti-qualia < 1312932869 569136 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1312932873 364953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It is funny because you do not understand how obsessive I am. < 1312932878 90147 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so is win32-hourglass < 1312932881 349660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wait what is PN < 1312932902 580505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: like np but more christian < 1312932915 727762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1312932962 527914 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :screw #jesus, terraria 1.0.6 is finally out http://www.terrariaonline.com/threads/1-0-6-changelog.50278/ < 1312932998 774240 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pythagoras was running away and he reached a field of beans, but he didn't want to step on them so he let those guys chasing him to kill him instead. < 1312933001 829824 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT : < 1312933008 949185 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312933023 525574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Pythagoras was running away and he reached a field of beans, but he didn't want to step on them so he let those guys chasing him to kill him instead. < 1312933024 784078 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1312933035 97137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: oh terraria is like elliottcraft but crap and with one fewer dimension. < 1312933036 877490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <zzo38> Pythagoras was running away and he reached a field of beans, but he didn't want to step on them so he let those guys chasing him to kill him instead. < 1312933038 13762 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :580) .<.zzo38.>.. Pythagoras was running away and he reached a field of beans, but he didn't want to step on them so he let those guys chasing him to kill him instead. < 1312933041 60516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1312933043 246982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 580 < 1312933044 574107 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* < 1312933045 561284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you do it < 1312933063 897339 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot less dimensions = worse game < 1312933066 777516 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you have CTRL+H in your text? Where did that come from? HackEgo just replaces it with dots < 1312933076 853734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: yes < 1312933082 712499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: elliottcraft takes place in 999-dimensional space < 1312933083 350587 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack based cubes < 1312933086 8893 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1312933092 297602 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it take place in infinite dimension hilbert space < 1312933110 893240 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :err cubes that are stack based < 1312933114 547664 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1312933117 801929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: tempting < 1312933118 136039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Pythagoras was running away and he reached a field of beans, but he didn't want to step on them so he let those guys chasing him to kill him instead. < 1312933119 67533 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :580) Pythagoras was running away and he reached a field of beans, but he didn't want to step on them so he let those guys chasing him to kill him instead. < 1312933158 363939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i always get nervous whether irssi will cut/paste multilines properly < 1312933167 709790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wrapped lines < 1312933173 244768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: heh < 1312933187 249454 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does wrapped lines as doublespaces for me, which frustrates < 1312933188 531013 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course Pythagoras had a few strange religion and this is one of them. < 1312933198 392619 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Hellstone now spawns lava when it is mined, but only in the underworld.' hardcore < 1312933199 933953 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he also did not want to touch a mirror. < 1312933261 278450 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And had some ideas about astronomy that were wrong but they wouldn't know because they didn't have equipment as well. Such as, that both the sun and the earth go around the "central fire", which is toward the uninhabited side of the Earth. < 1312933299 319185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: actually wait, how is terraria better than df < 1312933305 714851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I sincerely don't get :D < 1312933311 251478 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwarf fortress? < 1312933321 578307 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :He still called the central fire a planet. And adding other things, resulting in 9 planets in total. So, they decided to add one more to make ten. < 1312933353 140048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: yes < 1312933359 650848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that game is technically threedee < 1312933361 564983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you only see one at a time < 1312933362 257009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1312933364 41192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing?? < 1312933365 132320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes) < 1312933367 102695 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwarf fortress is GOTY < 1312933368 935627 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :every year < 1312933374 107445 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how can I argue terraria is better than it < 1312933380 584127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXACTLY < 1312933474 592001 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was reading about the definition of prime numbers and then reading about prime factorization.. and i started to think about it more carefully < 1312933507 86566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't know the definition of primes? < 1312933535 471061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: for more on-topicness, you might want to read about Fractran < 1312933550 377810 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what i came up with http://pastebin.com/EY712Ljy < 1312933558 284113 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i am really bad at explaining things) < 1312933560 924919 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I realized that a number with N prime factors cannot be folder into a rectangle in N+1 dimensions, where a rectange is a shape where each dimension of the object is > 1 < 1312933596 381758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google summary: Starting from a scientific world view, the mission of the Kira Institute is to foster fresh approaches to exploring “what else is true?” < 1312933598 680801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :first sentence of webpage: < 1312933599 237843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are an interdisciplinary institute based in Second Life. < 1312933630 209543 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it any good? :) < 1312933650 206463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :before it can be good, it has to be loading < 1312933658 795533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1312933672 603976 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide: your language specification? that's just the syntax, right? < 1312933689 362519 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, only syntax < 1312933722 610851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide: the word "cube" usually implies all sides being equal length < 1312933730 418378 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ofc.. < 1312933737 476735 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well < 1312933741 182460 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :rect prism < 1312933753 736593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: isn't the trinity catholic doctrine... < 1312933754 78451 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :e-rect < 1312933757 238566 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide, i just referred to such things as rectangles in a very recent post < 1312933759 34043 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What hilarity did I miss in #jesus ? < 1312933767 634149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: danfred is literally the best < 1312933769 955234 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1312933770 979919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jason is almost as good < 1312933777 70707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: #esoteric-jesus is the new hub of discussion < 1312933781 682761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO MOCKING JUST DISCUSSION < 1312933787 5030 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :dot rect doesnt sound so good :( < 1312933788 977879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its official mission statement is a channel about jesus not #jesus < 1312933791 93028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is totally ok. < 1312933799 247257 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know this is wrong but just a few lines up i said "where a rectangle is a shape where each dimension of the object is > 1" < 1312933812 28764 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt read that.. < 1312933817 374006 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its unrelated < 1312933832 398746 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its not a true definition < 1312933841 351454 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1312933854 847831 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i get your point < 1312933855 682179 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was clever though.. but it should be obvious to everyone here < 1312933859 986358 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312933862 31132 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they're all very smart < 1312933872 822821 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and im the dumb guy < 1312933875 937347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a topological product of 3 lines, anyhow ;P < 1312933911 983814 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you try to take a 1 dimensional number... and create a rectangle with width > 1 and length > 1 and you can't... then it's a prime < 1312933923 511463 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think? < 1312933930 182950 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk tbh < 1312933931 146568 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-? < 1312933935 740401 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm yeah.. that sounds right < 1312933950 527405 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just dont like the idea of having more than one character per opcode < 1312933952 987447 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 TOPIC #esoteric :Don't enjoy unlocking the matrix of astatide, please. | wget -s 42 redpill | man mouth | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1312933974 827320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: yeah, assuming integer length sides < 1312933987 717381 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well.. can you have a non-integer prime? :> < 1312933996 453034 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh haha. i see.. well yeah < 1312934002 197239 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :my definition had holes < 1312934011 435842 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it really isnt a 2d code either < 1312934011 838267 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural number length sides < 1312934015 361422 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, there's... a way of extending the concept. < 1312934026 38146 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll repost < 1312934032 964158 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I realized that a number with N prime factors cannot be folder into a rectangle in N+1 dimensions, where a rectange is a shape where each dimension of the object is > 1 < 1312934073 43411 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill try to be original tomorrow < 1312934134 297373 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks original, your thing < 1312934136 797306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide: oh i think you mean rectangles, anyhow, this is 2d < 1312934144 807832 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't talking about an esolang < 1312934170 163676 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just talking about my conception of prime numbers < 1312934172 837047 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 2d i mean code getting executing more ways than just down < 1312934252 231432 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops what i meant to say is < 1312934267 281947 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :a number with "at least N prime factors" < 1312934306 101997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*at most < 1312934358 557913 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oro