< 1313366471 307447 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1313366488 439155 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i figure that all procedural generation is deterministic < 1313366507 95411 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hummm but the source of seeds might not be though... < 1313366526 944190 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if the seeds are nondeterministic then the procedure won't be < 1313366527 410366 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-66.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'd be willing to bet it's a PRNG seeded with the date. < 1313366545 128461 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-66.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, rather, transform based on the output thereof. < 1313366582 675160 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but back to monqys point.. on the surface i can pretend to know what i am talking about < 1313366588 545128 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but do i really? no < 1313366731 867906 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i think that's called a "hash" :P < 1313366860 106046 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-66.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: BAH < 1313366997 948731 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw it's a commonly believed conjecture in computation complexity theory that it is possible to remove true randomness from any algorithm without significantly [weasel word] decreasing its power < 1313367009 956948 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*computational complexity < 1313367049 546806 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an example of my ignorance on the matter i certainly haven't studied PRNGs < 1313367058 997761 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only called them as pre-written functins < 1313367071 370886 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it follows from some other widely believed conjectures of similar hardness to P vs. NP < 1313367148 863744 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there have also been several concrete derandomization constructions of particular algorithms, most famously perhaps the AKS prime checking algorithm < 1313367223 803867 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313367226 336566 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would go so far as to say that an individuals perception of a procedurally generated work is linked to concepts of a society's shibbaleths < 1313367238 94554 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in that case the "without significantly" means something like "still polynomial time but too slow in practice") < 1313367296 405773 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: the question i'm having is whether there has yet been any procedurally generated work whose value goes beyond just "look at this clever procedural generation" < 1313367319 66713 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that, as a listerner, a person conceives of a speaker independantly of the words he speaks < 1313367319 904017 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which in itself _can_ be amazing, but leaves something to desire < 1313367338 526805 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so.. procedurally generated words can only resolve to hollow speakers < 1313367367 304642 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This seems like a conversation related to strong AI. < 1313367381 668515 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: was just about to say :P < 1313367382 330583 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the program that created the work is intelligent, it will have value. < 1313367394 723792 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The work will, that is. < 1313367400 240748 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1313367416 195058 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh procedurally generated works _without_ AI can still showcase the beauty of mathematics < 1313367418 382163 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what if the program is not intelligent < 1313367438 940930 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in some way, perhaps that's all they can do < 1313367446 420742 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: True, but it's also tied to the mind of the creator. < 1313367449 196865 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it just arrived at pseudo-intelligent displays by luck < 1313367457 349147 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that what we've done? < 1313367489 738005 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evolution implies vaguely deterministic luck. < 1313367555 836028 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but we're still intelligent at least some of the time :P < 1313367578 68277 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like fungot could say something which in an intelligent speakers mouth would be meaningful < 1313367578 583598 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: this is it, like an apple or a cunning prankster than a common sort. < 1313367611 424271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1313367666 664793 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if a work is long, achieving something which looks consistently intelligent by chance has vanishingly low probability < 1313367684 55480 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :any attempt to construct an anthropomorphic speaker in my imagination around fungot is fanciful and illusionary < 1313367684 558110 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: this is a really hot look for a stronger! ive been pretty busy in a couple minutes, and more importantly, it pushes the cruxite to the last card. you then quickly adjust the elevation by approximately what it is now! < 1313367736 517628 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i do it any way.. and that is surely a sign of worry that i cannot resist it < 1313367790 172403 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean there is no framework in language to describe something like that < 1313367812 243486 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like a duck, it acts like a duck.. and yet it is very far from being a duck < 1313367834 533716 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As humans, we like lending meaning to random patterns. < 1313367835 858306 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? i'd imagine fungot's success is precisely because it implements a framework of language - if a very shallow one < 1313367836 41318 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: try again. and a whole other issue. guess i can't really do. hell fucking yes a few more things we can deploy but some things we can deploy but some things we can deploy but some things we can deploy but some things we can deploy but some things we can deploy but some things we can deploy but some things we can deploy but some things we can deploy but some things we can deploy but some things we can deploy but some thin < 1313367847 17410 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an advantage to see things that aren't there. < 1313367854 187244 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than missing things that are. < 1313367878 205538 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you broke him. < 1313367884 480298 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep you don't want to mistake a lion for a funnily shaped flower :P < 1313367910 641414 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: common fungot bug in how it selects the next word < 1313367910 844497 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: try again. and a whole sword bird and now, to make it, and the only to let you in on a little secret a8out the lore, and are, going a little far and its kind of a reckless use of < 1313367959 294172 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sometimes considers one alternative too strongly < 1313367986 703933 :amca!~amca@CPE-121-208-82-128.cqzr1.cha.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1313368009 42092 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a book by typing a lot of your own things and then inserting outputs from fungot and adding stuff to make it fit into your sentences and paragraphs and so on. < 1313368045 981607 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intelligent intervention in random output often produces interesting results. < 1313368240 378924 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1313368259 628133 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone once told me that art is representation and that it doesn't hide what it is < 1313368322 777593 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if I say fungot is art.. then theres no problem < 1313368323 222788 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: so it was pretty good. well, i can't really do. hell fucking yes. it is. hub sn_lab0413. it is a good idea. < 1313368346 35466 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1313368346 617985 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher homestuck* ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1313368373 667871 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ff7 < 1313368380 966485 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :d'oh < 1313368423 377421 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if fungot is passed off as an actual human, with human rights and human access to resources then trouble brews < 1313368424 62372 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: your handy ruler. you are quite a sn0b mm, okay? < 1313368488 857486 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if he was actually intelligent then that would be a different story < 1313368679 565197 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric : my fear is that of procedural generation being used to cut production costs where they cannot really be cut < 1313368767 711368 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok --- i have said my 2 cents on the issue. fungot, any last words? < 1313368768 208894 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: not that it would actually bother pitying you. whatever your adventure throws at you im sure shell, and limbering up for a silly cookie dance. or it will 8e the most powerful adversary you have ever had a physical card for the stack or queue. items can be removed the card from the card. you've always wondered what the code is. < 1313368825 965102 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've always wondered what the code is indeed. < 1313368908 587022 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will take back a bit of what i have said and say that whoever said the procedures aren't good enough has made a good comment < 1313368964 653807 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok guys, do you want to know what procedural generation i would like to do? < 1313368991 163622 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like to procedurally generate graphics for scribblenauts < 1313369042 334344 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its interesting that in some article, the writer said "they said they didn't procedurally generate the graphics, how could they?" < 1313369308 508162 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Do you suppose you could set up a genetic system to evolve game ideas? < 1313369338 910025 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your fitness function would be based on manual scoring of playthroughs. < 1313369352 523694 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't give you complete games, but perhaps prototypes. < 1313369578 99523 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There has been some success using genetic algorithms to fix bugs in C code. < 1313370061 727681 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1313370178 468822 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1313370181 890389 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313370213 387155 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: i don't think there is any escaping the fact that humans enjoy interacting with each other and feeling each other in our works < 1313370255 879151 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like when people write reviews for things... it is assumed the author can read the review.. but an author can't take direct credit for something which occurs amid a procedurally generated experience < 1313370298 480294 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the author made the procedures < 1313370316 551719 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :While that's true, I don't think it would put procedural generation in a positive like in the absolute sense, just relativly less of a positive one. < 1313370341 363299 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Procedural generation is genrally meant to work a bit like nature. < 1313370349 247235 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has its place < 1313370378 877727 :cheater__!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1313370382 10585 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a problem that hurts a lot of procedural generation is the lack of history. < 1313370384 341057 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i am indulging in explicitly stating what it is not so good at < 1313370392 996351 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1313370435 950823 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the lack of history part, a procedurally generated dwelling isn't really the result of it's inhabitants. < 1313370470 860181 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the world doesn't consist entirely of language.. and human authors add meaning to language through their other experiences < 1313370531 421307 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, you can't learn anything from procedurally generated content beyond the fascinating way in which it is structured < 1313370555 644038 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229096104.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1313370562 981843 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can learn how the patterns work perhaps < 1313370575 370207 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like for example playing tetris over and over you can improve < 1313370663 502813 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you can't learn anything from a bot except that which it has been given.. < 1313370675 908405 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe you can learn some things........... < 1313370680 517266 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is true as long as the procedure does not include a simulation of the subject of the writing, but except in a very shallow sense this is probably true for most if not all generators. < 1313370703 616116 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose you could indeed learn grammar structure from a bot < 1313370718 124315 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if it were actually a well-designed bot. :P < 1313370720 476959 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of its sentences would lack actual meaning < 1313370730 889286 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I'd like to do some day is make a bot that talks about talking. < 1313370735 890275 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ok not learn nothing.. but you can't get a rich learning < 1313370737 773991 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THen you could talk about talking about anything. < 1313370738 21339 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, finally my Constantinople compiler is completed and it works good now. < 1313370738 769766 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, grammar is emergent behaviour, not formal structure. < 1313370861 161790 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/prog/Constantinople.zip < 1313370896 948007 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think it is good now? < 1313371026 384492 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This program is public domain. < 1313371093 314207 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you might change the program to do actual bits I/O if you wanted to do so. < 1313371206 747486 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So wait, does the current implementation not require brackets, from what I read in the talk page? < 1313371272 546930 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does not require brackets. Actually it won't even accept brackets (they are useless anyways in this programming language) < 1313371298 679686 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see, it's jsut the the distrption on the wiki still mentions them. < 1313371352 16477 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without punctuation, it'd be easy to make a version that accepts programs written in Sarus. < 1313371353 176191 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it does still mention them. It was probably intended to use ( ) to make not ambiguous, but it doesn't actually help make anything not ambiguous or help anything else either. What does help is what I mentioned, which is using "with" to separate two arguments. < 1313371366 907183 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: What does "Sarus" mean? < 1313371389 87711 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an artificial speaking language based partly on Soresol. < 1313371401 248569 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's used in a series of cartoons. < 1313371475 93706 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can try that if you want to; it is in the public domain. You can make whatever changes you want to make. However I would like it if you did not misrepresent it as the original program. < 1313371551 132317 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try not to misrepresent it then. < 1313371556 743115 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'd have to learn Haskel. < 1313371565 180196 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1313371565 694957 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I was going to eventually. < 1313371630 288462 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you even have GHC installed in your computer? Note, it includes a file called "Constantinople.cmd" which is a Windows shell script for compiling the program, it is short and you can make a similar short shell script in UNIX, too. < 1313371664 696945 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You will also have to modify the shell script if you are using a different Haskell compiler than GHC) < 1313371736 285333 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any version of Haskel, so I might as well go with GHC so i can try out the language int he first place. < 1313371750 973775 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I didn't give my compiler any special name other than just "Constantinople compiler", so it is not difficult to avoid misrepresentation < 1313371784 300049 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This program also requires Parsec. < 1313371800 624312 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not believe template haskell is supported by any compiler other than ghc < 1313371849 322799 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you do need GHC, because this program also uses Template Haskell. < 1313371892 837408 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsec should be included automatically if you use the Haskell Platform < 1313371925 48968 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the GHC site jsut reccomended I get that. < 1313371949 776793 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recoils at the sight of pink flowers. < 1313371981 7499 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not worry because the flowers are not part of the Haskell program as far as I know. < 1313372038 29250 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think :P < 1313372055 879826 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to print out the Constantinople compiler, you also need the "birdstyle.tex" file which I can also give to you if you ask. < 1313372111 272484 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what printing out a compiler means. < 1313372129 46279 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Little Program: Functions are Math-ic < 1313372157 84868 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean printing out the program. It is a .lhs file which can be parsed by TeX to convert into the device independent printout file. < 1313372211 560978 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, ok. < 1313372241 492182 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The extension .lhs just means that lines starting with > are program codes and everything else is ignored by the Haskell compiler < 1313372529 395669 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr: LHS = Literate Haskell Source < 1313372546 242680 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also LHS = Left-Hand Side. < 1313372557 187343 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Left-Hand Side ≠ LHS. < 1313372560 565679 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or does it? < 1313372579 133224 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC = Global Hocky Club < 1313372694 269391 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me if you have any problems with this program. < 1313372925 799743 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number of pages and the number of chapters of this program are both five, as it turns out. < 1313373226 246285 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the program strange a bit to you? < 1313373305 330927 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't checked it out yet because I forgot what I was doing. < 1313373312 917467 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I rememdered I already installed Haskell. < 1313373422 984981 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1313373534 413866 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric music? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_KeybhGDDU&feature=related < 1313373603 467727 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: I have to eat too. < 1313373700 775679 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :PatashuWarg: experimental music < 1313373706 999847 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what it's normally known as. < 1313373714 107564 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUB83_F-SmE&feature=related this piece is lol < 1313373850 729492 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could not find Main.o? < 1313374515 345315 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 . < 1313374535 163996 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea if the compiler worked. < 1313374552 717468 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or what I'm suppossed to do with the .hi and .o files. < 1313374595 99740 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait there's my problem. < 1313374626 663015 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOr some reason I thought you meant it was a compiler for turnign the lhs file into an exe that can in turn be sued on Constantinople source files. < 1313374658 188299 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When instead the .bat is what's used on the files written in Constantinople. < 1313374775 80550 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll test it out with the cat program. < 1313374824 213204 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1313374882 387401 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, I mean the .cmd. < 1313375298 788452 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C:\Users\MDude\Desktop\Constantinople>cat.txt.exe < 1313375298 991923 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like having a cat. < 1313375298 992098 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat.txt.exe: Constantinople.lhs:(144,5)-(145,51): Non-exhaustive patterns in fun < 1313375298 992206 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ction cmd_in' < 1313375345 760269 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if that's anI/O problem or not. < 1313375477 434879 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's a non-exhaustive patterns problem. < 1313375490 305468 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what that means. < 1313375507 865719 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did get a trivial program of "out head" to work. < 1313375517 189509 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1313375520 944912 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can't parse that sentence. < 1313375528 470560 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In consists of the single line "out head". < 1313375539 361690 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor that one. < 1313375541 201597 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It outputs the initial contents of head, which is 0. < 1313375556 539068 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you define a function like "foo (Just x) = x", and then you call it with Nothing, that's a non-exhaustive pattern. < 1313375563 948897 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't define what foo of Nothing is. < 1313375569 605445 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for zzo38's language Constantinople. < 1313375575 642444 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1313375579 835072 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I don't think even has functoins. < 1313375593 409700 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought this was a Haskell program. < 1313375607 11873 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The interpreter is written in Haskell. < 1313375617 767441 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant I/O problem as in the implementation of it. < 1313375619 301357 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the interpreter is broken. < 1313375650 682974 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 mentioned bitwise I/O wasn't present, but I thought that migth have meant I/O was bytewise instead. < 1313375666 905968 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like how other languages save up untilt hey reach a full byte. < 1313375682 229793 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-exhaustive patterns means that the Haskell program doesn't take some possibility into account. < 1313375690 951753 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: it wants input as digits 0 and 1, i think < 1313375696 385272 :amca!~amca@CPE-121-208-82-128.cqzr1.cha.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Quit: Farewell < 1313375700 22248 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1313375700 688652 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't read the final version < 1313375716 865904 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only on #esoteric that we talk about the linguistic necessity of buffering bits till we have a full byte. < 1313375741 386541 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was running off the idea that my input would be converted to strings of bits. < 1313375746 131497 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like http://www.samuelhughes.com/boof/index.html ? < 1313375751 536994 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try with actual 1s and 0s. < 1313375761 665144 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-89.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did someone say linguistic < 1313375792 71111 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: no. nothing to see here, move on... < 1313375806 694884 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-89.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x3 < 1313375873 285746 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, no cat is working, though the interpreter still throws an error tacked on to the end of the output. < 1313375877 916204 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*now < 1313375987 434181 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm does Constantinople actually handle eof by the spec... < 1313376072 185139 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Computer-linguistics. Though I'm always up for a chat about the natural kind. < 1313376086 944443 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People on #conlang are surprisingly unmotivated to talk about language. < 1313376097 883471 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-89.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofcourse they are < 1313376101 686103 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-89.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats why they're in #conlang < 1313376102 103763 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: indeed it doesn't, so that's not zzo38's fault < 1313376104 261315 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-89.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not #linguistics < 1313376126 630793 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I'm not sure how I'd give it input that doesn't end in a eof. < 1313376148 104231 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it shouldn't err out if you don't read that far < 1313377338 264937 :wth!~tianhou@122.225.105.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1313377414 786189 :wth!~tianhou@122.225.105.250 PART :#esoteric < 1313378062 781368 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I have no idea how to avoid that. < 1313378260 573325 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it certainly would be hard with a cat program :P < 1313378305 420497 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I mean I'm not usre how to define input length at all. < 1313378344 674227 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i simply mean to use an input format which doesn't require you to know what's beyond the input you actually use < 1313378369 265719 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a predefined fixed length? < 1313378432 523725 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_code < 1313378492 833406 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the entire input, not just each word of it < 1313378583 339799 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, unlambda program code has that property (ignoring trailing whitespace and comments) < 1313378903 784924 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to see if I can make something liek that in the morning, then. < 1313378906 566730 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep < 1313379073 380340 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :This umbrella works wonders for murdering! | software problems | Functor? I hardly knew 'er! | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1313379592 337964 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-66.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1313379713 254520 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-66.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313380259 614970 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big, big deep breath. Deep down inside you there is a submarine. It has a tongue. Exhale." < 1313380471 252447 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohgod sgeo found cuil theory < 1313380523 840332 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, I'm just quoting from Why's Poignant Guide to Ruby < 1313380542 208538 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :_why clearly found cuil theory < 1313380610 770837 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm... ignore that sentence < 1313380961 66010 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is a bit outdated < 1313381047 575850 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Dr. Cham now does something different from what _why said < 1313381053 768578 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :his niece Hannah. < 1313381063 827183 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ideone.com/PULCM < 1313381081 79230 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to _why, it should be Yes, Dr. Cham electrocuted his niece Hannah. < 1313381212 978478 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "should" in the factual sense, not the normative. < 1313381236 844852 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it makes more sense for a do-block to introduce a new scope for its identifiers. < 1313381244 364142 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION agrees < 1313381247 495991 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/its/all its/ < 1313381294 29642 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad _why disappeared. I go by Why as well. :P < 1313381335 954186 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whyevernotso) < 1313381362 114133 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1313381410 628241 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1313381520 376626 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cannot find Main.o is not a problem; the .cmd file tries to delete it at first to force that file to be recompiled without necessarily recompiling the other file. < 1313381520 561129 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1313381551 668199 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, yes, my program does use actual character 0 and 1 for I/O. A future version might make it proper bitwise I/O, though. < 1313381697 498130 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will get the nonexhaustive pattern errors in two cases: One is if you input anything other than 0 or 1 (this includes the newline at the end of the first input line). Another is if you try to store a bit in a tail of a list. < 1313381882 674337 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to use the "nand" command as the argument to "in" or as the first argument to "replace", although it that case it has nothing to do with nonexhaustive patterns; I did explicitly type "undefined" there in the program because that operation is not defined. < 1313381947 59306 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: one may also use error for a more precise error message < 1313381975 334761 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what shall I do this evening? Work on a little language, or write? < 1313382094 241587 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes I know that too. I just didn't bother putting it in. For the case of writing a non-list to the tail, that is also, what would be called in mathematics, a value that the function is not defined on; although in this case the reason Haskell sees that is due to nonexhaustive patterns instead. < 1313382172 383168 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: I don't know. What little language did you want to work on, and what did you want to write? < 1313382382 478931 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's a small but versatile embedded language intended for game development, based on Self. As for the writing, I was thinking of working out a system of magic and seeing what interesting fantasy world sprung up from it. < 1313382470 24728 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: These are interesting things. Maybe you can do both, one today and one tomorrow. If you have time. < 1313382560 438790 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to see some of the ideas of both these things. < 1313382581 285579 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll work on the language because it's more fun to show off, and might be useful to someone. < 1313382642 361782 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1313382670 912103 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea is to have a very minimalistic language that's high-performance and easy to embed. < 1313382687 783485 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1313382742 534208 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it comes to games especially, your only choices for good pre-existing scripting languages are Lua and Python. < 1313382771 574694 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're too big, as scripting languages go. < 1313382781 101029 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially in a high-performance system. < 1313382858 518060 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the case of MegaZeux, it has Robotic built-in, however I have also added Forth (but which is also used in a different way than the Robotic codes; Forth codes are sun synchronously and are placed in an external file and are global to the game, while Robotic codes are asynchronous and can be specific to objects on the board). Forth does run faster (I have tested it). < 1313382932 96848 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stack-based languages are good for embedding, but I think people find them cumbersome. < 1313383065 781416 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make up your own and see if it is good. < 1313383115 891461 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When making a game with MegaZeux, I often use both the Robotic codes and the Forth codes, for different reasons. < 1313383158 342375 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language I'm working on is object-oriented, based on Smalltalk and Self. Uses prototypal inheritance rather than classes, and libffi for external bindings. < 1313383303 365397 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm not getting anything done as long as I hang around here talking, so goodnight. < 1313383306 559890 :evincar!~jon@static-burl-bng2-72-73-82-194.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1313383501 242349 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-73-182-59.dsl.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313383501 315222 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-73-182-59.dsl.telstraclear.net QUIT :Changing host < 1313383501 315339 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1313383536 176898 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a name for my game < 1313383544 411110 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: give my game a name < 1313383575 178358 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: How can I do so? I have not seen your game. However, I do have a program to make up a random name of computer games < 1313383608 852853 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its about robots and factories and symmetry and asymmetry and puzzles < 1313383616 611906 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do it from that right? < 1313383678 321715 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I cannot. But I can try. Does "Factories Symmetry" works? < 1313384160 375404 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :robotobor < 1313384664 444634 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :heres an amusing application of procedural generation i just stumbled upon by chance http://turnyournameintoaface.com/ < 1313384677 692790 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1313385098 168958 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i like it < 1313385290 294893 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1313385332 728975 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how about RoboTodoЯ < 1313385757 357333 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course < 1313385859 604285 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :xk cancer diary < 1313385885 354525 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1313385933 954722 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that was actually a funny one < 1313386020 461442 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree, although considering it involves aids, it'd be the worse failure ever if it weren't < 1313386034 525827 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :aids is a comedy trump card < 1313386045 698815 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you get aids in apples to apples, you've won the hand < 1313389811 616242 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what does your program suggest? < 1313389851 408780 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: The program currently can take no parameters, so it generates completely at random. (It is possible to make a version with parameters if you want) < 1313389897 870946 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it say? < 1313389936 491232 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/furry/webform.php?which=video_game.txt¶=&count=1 (The "Parameter" field has no effect currently.) < 1313390005 459712 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow these namees are great but they are three words long < 1313390017 373097 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a made up name that is one word long :P < 1313390049 803225 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You sometimes get names that are only two words long. However, there is no one word long. < 1313390087 417040 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tom Clancy's Bubble Physics" < 1313390089 675512 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm on it! < 1313390293 169884 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tiger Woods' Battle Girl" sounds rather multidisciplinary. < 1313390395 411601 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!simplename < 1313390403 692956 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :XMOSIHAIECWOAI. < 1313390435 297455 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly a household name < 1313390545 616573 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a complex name? < 1313390572 350577 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in EgoBot to my knowledge < 1313390621 395890 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do you like robotobor or robotopia better < 1313390660 798374 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robotopia is already the name of a game < 1313390686 12586 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, call it Robotobor (unless that is also already taken) < 1313390858 843883 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robotorpor. (Of which Google says: "Did you mean to search for: roboraptor".) < 1313391151 266678 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah fizzie, these robots are very active < 1313391183 695753 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those robots mean business. < 1313391202 664906 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, when i was a kid i always wanted a roboraptor < 1313391211 140258 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that shit was $16 iirc < 1313391219 705622 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1313391222 419463 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mistake < 1313391233 661600 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a roboraptor < 1313391237 92460 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :still do < 1313391254 808836 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted the anamatronic t-rex, which was $216 < 1313391753 478038 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :!simplename < 1313391758 744710 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :VEOACS. < 1313392785 914105 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used a different algorithm for making name of my character in D&D game, I have done so the past few times I have created a character (each time for a separate campaign; none of my characters have died, and if it is it might be due to sacrifice (even in chess you can find sacrifice useful)). < 1313392870 38450 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1313393054 313952 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means you dont play paranoia < 1313393064 376536 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you'd die all the time :) < 1313393368 816213 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313393391 508414 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1313393450 107924 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ahoy Taneb < 1313393450 794822 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Taneb" < 1313393467 735098 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what's up? < 1313393543 300775 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking of names for my game < 1313393552 183208 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What game? < 1313393553 572304 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm considering "assemblage" noow < 1313393882 692782 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1313394074 478315 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game i am making < 1313394088 963570 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :internet is not working again :( < 1313394191 770115 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1313394435 768468 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1313395121 686255 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Assemblah". < 1313395932 125960 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1313396005 493506 :CakeProphet!~adam@h75.50.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313396007 183297 :CakeProphet!~adam@h75.50.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1313396007 255677 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1313396799 919175 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313397353 735983 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1313397831 455166 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1313397936 403112 :CakeProphet!~adam@h250.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313397936 529647 :CakeProphet!~adam@h250.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1313397936 601940 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1313398122 904299 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1313398123 480271 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1313398123 945867 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Binodu < 1313398138 116845 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1313398227 264242 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1313398237 214345 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing: don't pothole links to user pages < 1313398264 319924 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1313398269 498870 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm adding some stuff to the syntax i find missing < 1313398464 555042 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing a hello world now < 1313398632 157274 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1313398671 148824 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, not done as the wiki ate my entry, somehow < 1313398671 683474 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1313398690 649234 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. It's there. < 1313398753 963088 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Binodu#Examples < 1313398754 800190 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :So cruel. < 1313398768 221383 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing a more informative example: XOR gate! < 1313398778 168177 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to write a shorter hello world < 1313398844 849910 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :go ahead < 1313398850 346716 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :just uhh < 1313398854 386020 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok go ahead < 1313398883 613822 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1313398887 120103 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :minor syntax change < 1313398892 756084 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(multiple comparator/action pairs are allowed in a single node < 1313398929 104806 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note added. < 1313399227 1900 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb - http://pastebin.com/FQLmCWvY < 1313399230 441930 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :XOR in 34 lines, including input < 1313399249 564936 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1313399258 952071 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :little bug, XOR1 should be Automatic Output < 1313399274 466884 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so should be the other two, in fact < 1313399284 797797 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :A to toggle reg. 1, Z to toggle reg. 2, X to XOR < 1313399368 808845 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would add code to make it smaller, but then, I was aiming for minimalism < 1313399404 564955 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it needs one more syntax change < 1313399409 646029 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :along with Stop there should be StopOnce < 1313399418 578145 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually no, that defeats one of the tricks you need to do < 1313399425 789789 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the change i want to do is add OutputOnChange < 1313399431 200752 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it only outputs if a store has been executed < 1313399920 757962 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb try to figure out how this LFSR works: http://pastebin.com/0cR0GSJ5 < 1313400013 964931 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't. < 1313400026 196042 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It fires LFSRbit3 and then halts < 1313400044 989331 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes it does < 1313400048 712166 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1313400055 268207 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it in fact does work < 1313400058 474134 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb - look at LFSRbit1 < 1313400060 576655 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Compare InputL < 1313400067 952681 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, didn't see that automatic < 1313400069 436890 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop only halts a Node < 1313400074 392967 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the whole thing < 1313400102 888366 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm starting to love binodu < 1313400107 748854 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so simple, looks much simpler than Brainfuck < 1313400114 990443 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but gets you easily confused < 1313400135 796605 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :LFSRinit is only so it doesn't halt indefinitely < 1313400140 476193 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :by setting its default state to 0010 < 1313400148 950303 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than 0000 < 1313400160 464520 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i'll add a Default command right now < 1313400162 973888 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to get rid of it < 1313400193 299213 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've written a 112 line Hello World < 1313400243 119770 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yours is shorter. < 1313400261 16932 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1313400263 82867 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :show me yours < 1313400267 356407 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to see what complexity have you done < 1313400269 856734 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still working on it < 1313400278 245176 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gonna take out a few redundant nodes < 1313400283 176629 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1313400304 684711 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you like how my language is simply complex < 1313400312 729784 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :right! i need to take a break pretty soon < 1313400315 983109 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's amazing < 1313400326 695137 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1313400331 576346 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i invented it on a boring afternooon < 1313400336 408201 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was reading a book on AI < 1313400336 742227 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :104 nodes < 1313400338 967648 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i saw the concept of nodes < 1313400355 382924 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i thought "What if I make it into an esolang?" < 1313400361 859633 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, many complexifications, changes and simplifications later < 1313400362 691734 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got this < 1313400371 832443 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 lines < 1313400378 904389 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :pastebin now < 1313400379 938271 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gtg soon < 1313400385 140533 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you beat me by 7 lines < 1313400386 364625 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1313400405 819588 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/ZxJTT1st < 1313400432 244783 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. Good job. < 1313400441 806042 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Compare is required (even if empty) to trigger an Action < 1313400454 878558 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all there < 1313400457 415434 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not necessairly < 1313400461 223570 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, this part is interpreter-dependent < 1313400463 390197 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mainly for beautification < 1313400497 775279 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, about Node Seven < 1313400508 762877 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :why add all the "Action false" code? < 1313400509 945516 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see no point < 1313400525 5171 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first 7 is a double seven < 1313400529 369572 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The third isn't < 1313400532 886309 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... right. < 1313400537 960619 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i cant read my own code < 1313400542 34972 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the first time 7 is ran, it launches itself again < 1313400544 563388 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 7 would fire a Seven then go to its own action < 1313400545 891606 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. < 1313400549 57363 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :though < 1313400560 607103 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldnt it be shorter to add two "Fire Seven" for the first time? < 1313400564 660991 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and remove that part of the code? < 1313400567 423378 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :would save 3 lines < 1313400570 563886 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably < 1313400574 507582 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was being clever < 1313400587 644639 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same with L, actually < 1313400587 745050 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i wasn't being clever and being clever didnt give you that much gain < 1313400592 54869 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to edit the page < 1313400592 966563 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm off < 1313400595 319815 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya! < 1313400601 704736 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1313400658 750285 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so on an unrelated subject, i sketched an amusing 3d snakes and ladders out of boredom < 1313400676 874013 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :where each row is higher than the last, as if climbing a hill < 1313400691 569925 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb one more thing before i left < 1313400695 35236 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :added Binodu to the esolang list < 1313400697 891367 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and added it to categories < 1313400698 776362 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye! < 1313400706 210619 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what paradigm this fits into, i fany < 1313400706 483702 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1313400714 154690 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Object oriented < 1313400895 322006 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find this binodu easy on the eyes.. i don't like looking at a soup of ^^&*^&*)(&*(%@$%^ < 1313400938 407200 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait i didn't say that < 1313401520 891791 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :its easy on the eyes < 1313401522 250339 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1313401525 989187 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still not easy on the mind < 1313401531 799524 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :when im back, im going to work on an interp < 1313401535 424975 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 99 bottles of beer < 1313401538 215702 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya again < 1313401553 569102 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1313401923 763561 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got it down to 74 lines < 1313402311 908623 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1313402739 850803 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1313403063 18445 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313403071 164101 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1313403561 728910 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, Unicode < 1313403567 959570 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever would we do without BRAKCETs < 1313405489 649766 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1313405491 853503 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, how's your work < 1313405498 877156 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :74 lines < 1313405513 223315 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't get it down any further < 1313405611 556124 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried optimizing it further < 1313405615 193433 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that only made it stay at 74 lines < 1313405622 401691 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly < 1313405641 988210 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1313405647 808411 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now i'll be working on the interpreter < 1313406074 600696 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1313406228 333794 :cheater__!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1313406416 890860 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Excess Flood < 1313406461 581985 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1313407088 356040 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1313407367 724681 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1313407375 452229 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1313408262 777569 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1313408475 850793 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Excess Flood < 1313408550 315502 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1313408744 519886 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Excess Flood < 1313409103 798969 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1313409455 345132 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>150 / 17 < 1313409460 457599 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 150 / 17 < 1313409461 347944 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8.823529411764707 < 1313410946 514701 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313411194 375261 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, any idea about the computational class of binodu? < 1313411206 349831 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it's a FSA < 1313411230 548859 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can only have a finite number of nodes, which only have a finite number of values < 1313411240 901795 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah indeed < 1313411267 862100 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb yeah < 1313411298 545652 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :though simulating other languages, given finite memory, should be possible < 1313411308 885300 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :one way to do it is re-create all logic gates and use that < 1313411314 175439 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes it a very nice finite state automaton < 1313411330 13635 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure a Boolfuck interpreter (for finite memory) is doable < 1313411339 275312 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm considering adding a Clone command < 1313411347 770035 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that clones the node executing it into a new node < 1313411356 193826 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, that would also be finite as you can only specify so many naes < 1313411357 165943 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :names* < 1313411358 297107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, I don't see any input? < 1313411359 525198 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :making it useless < 1313411362 760348 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal InputA-InputZ < 1313411367 778580 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i've yet to code it < 1313411393 696216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1313411414 80425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, you call them nodes. Why? < 1313411419 244359 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1313411426 38301 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the entire concept for the language came when I was reading a book on AI < 1313411429 751310 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i was reading about nodes < 1313411434 459628 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i... kind of got inspired < 1313411438 857780 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1313411441 283423 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :after half an hour i came up with this < 1313411644 34299 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm almost done with the interpreter < 1313411645 724042 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a parser left < 1313411970 890030 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright! coded the code for finding and adding nodes < 1313411977 439098 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i just have to FILL THEM WITH CONTENT < 1313412123 962272 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fill them with cream. < 1313412179 868525 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Reference to: http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2001/04/13 ) < 1313412423 54300 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not empty < 1313412423 975021 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry :< < 1313412436 848666 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it already has the Interpreter class and all the sub-classes (coding in java because i'm lazy) < 1313412449 406763 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, you coded the code for finding the nodes? < 1313412454 426548 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1313412463 314299 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm halfway through coding the code for parsing them (2nd stage) < 1313412469 129294 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :first it has to find all the nodes for the Fire command to work right < 1313412473 770935 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it parses them to fill in the classes < 1313412477 572592 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it just runs the interpreter < 1313412667 609138 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, now i'm parsing everything (except actions) < 1313412978 601666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1313413120 846752 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i wrote the code in one go < 1313413122 808767 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :25 errors. meh < 1313413132 156924 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than 26 < 1313413160 37610 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worse than 24, if you want to be philosophical about it. < 1313413176 163985 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're down to 17 < 1313413183 193253 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1313413212 985066 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :down to 6 < 1313413278 839549 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1313413293 936336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1313413295 472046 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1313413322 863592 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :down to 1 < 1313413378 599541 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :all errors gone < 1313413385 104465 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to write a simple Main.java < 1313413388 460838 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and test < 1313413430 422559 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1313413507 522413 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the compiled classes seem to weigh 11.7KB < 1313413541 704317 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :huhhh infinite loop < 1313413574 54238 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1313413613 772777 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1313413645 687272 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. it seems to run node "hey" ad infinitum < 1313413650 789693 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :implying that Stop isn't working < 1313413652 124940 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also no output < 1313413656 80563 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :are actions read incorrectly? < 1313413713 62199 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing is read incorrectly, it seems < 1313413714 839102 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :except... nodes < 1313413859 534687 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) write code in one go < 1313413863 86419 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) discover it doesn't work < 1313413867 658344 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) rewrite most of the code < 1313413872 463128 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) debug the part that you suspect failing the most < 1313413877 350352 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :4) find issue in the simplest == < 1313413878 965291 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :5) hate Java < 1313413892 837331 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1313413893 738970 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fixed it < 1313413963 194097 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb < 1313413967 240178 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1313413972 554916 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :your little Hello, World! somehow prints < 1313413974 469171 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hello,2world" < 1313413979 950143 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think you broke something) < 1313413987 996317 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Close, though < 1313413992 210159 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll send you the half-finished interpreter in a sef < 1313413993 613168 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec* < 1313413993 694066 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No exclamation mark? < 1313413997 987720 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no exclamation mark. < 1313414007 302918 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lacks working Input, that's why half-working) < 1313414023 425273 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try my hello world first, tho < 1313414062 439798 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :your 100-line Hello World is even better < 1313414066 766721 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :outputs "Hfc'g&d" < 1313414071 270014 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :by now i'm not sure if it's an interpreter bug < 1313414072 19510 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... < 1313414104 411745 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1313414110 868104 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i quite honestly think it's some bug in the interpreter < 1313414132 342783 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1313414189 87219 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1313414190 447334 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :my claims were confirmed < 1313414262 288880 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the problem < 1313414267 859194 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure yet! < 1313414275 257059 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my original hello world kills the entire interpreter < 1313414284 717068 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's all in the parser < 1313414284 988876 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1313414328 773117 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll write some debug code < 1313414342 483149 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it output what it thinks the program is < 1313414349 679080 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i want to do < 1313414444 406326 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1313414489 330068 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1313414618 636802 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :>ACTION: 68 commands < 1313414623 44293 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :>I have 108 commands < 1313414623 297846 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Excess Flood < 1313414624 375226 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lolwut < 1313414631 57814 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :102 commands* < 1313414678 263988 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1313414950 212104 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Excess Flood < 1313415011 3454 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it finds the correct amount of strings < 1313415015 373783 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes me think the issue is somewhere else < 1313415022 940756 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm < 1313415074 86435 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(int si=0;si i'll just JAR it up <-- err < 1313419712 895243 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you used java? < 1313419713 627373 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww < 1313419849 162596 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: question. What order are automatic nodes fired in? < 1313420222 268021 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1313420229 910286 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1313420246 830774 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1313420343 882125 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1313420585 554343 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Excess Flood < 1313420952 467182 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1313421492 29306 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb from first found in text to last found in text < 1313421494 647325 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in file's order < 1313421497 719960 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal i know Java is ugly < 1313421503 368949 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted it done quickly and not felt like learning Python < 1313421521 330755 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i see myself rewriting the iterative approach i have now into a recursive approach < 1313421837 184731 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recursion.... in Java.... < 1313421851 819556 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Java actually do tail-call elimination? < 1313421871 188839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it's specified to, but interps are certainly allowed to, and I suspect most of the big-name ones do < 1313422066 132218 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: logic gates are easy, I've made NAND and XOR just now < 1313422069 973539 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have to go now < 1313422071 224179 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So by < 1313422072 131333 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1313422367 291958 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1313422928 903212 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1313424998 358406 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313425230 667160 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would I recieve death threats if I made Ook++? < 1313425269 522876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not from me, I'd just look down at you disapprovingly < 1313425309 253431 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :type World i a = [Map i a]; type WorldTransformer t a = Map i (a -> a) < 1313425315 773030 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But orang-utans also say Eek! < 1313425344 354628 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :transform :: World i a -> WorldTransformer i b -> World i b < 1313425346 683861 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :muhahahahahahaha! < 1313425353 641172 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 8 * 170 < 1313425354 590700 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1360 < 1313425366 163885 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is changing the world. < 1313425371 669954 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what. < 1313425397 305982 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 9 * 170 < 1313425398 219068 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1530 < 1313425489 195549 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sum $ (*) <$> [100,70,0] <*> 9 < 1313425490 907023 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum $ (*) <$> [100,70,0] <*> 9 < 1313425492 417896 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num [a]) < 1313425492 771945 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `e_11007009' at ... < 1313425516 656973 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum ((*) <$> [100,70,0] <*> 9) < 1313425518 51788 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num [a]) < 1313425518 224579 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `e_11007009' at ... < 1313425520 407004 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1313425667 168969 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (*) <$> [100,70,0] <*> 9 < 1313425668 405200 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num [a]) < 1313425668 834197 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `e_11007009' at ... < 1313425673 128968 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1313425806 341600 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \a -> (,) <$> a <*> a < 1313425807 103540 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :((,) <$>) . join (<*>) < 1313425859 231895 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (,) <$>) . join (<*>) [0..] < 1313425860 598204 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `)' < 1313425869 90610 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((,) <$>) . join (<*>) [0..] < 1313425870 497713 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a = a -> f a1 < 1313425888 441753 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((,) <$>) . join (<*>) $ [0..] < 1313425889 899272 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a = a -> a1 < 1313425897 643009 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give up. I don't know Haskell. :P < 1313425937 12704 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's pl's fault this time. < 1313425953 984118 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \a -> (((,) <$> a) <*> a) < 1313425955 5410 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(<*>) =<< ((,) <$>) < 1313425991 83547 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (<*>) =<< ((,) <$>) $ [0..] < 1313425992 277166 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(0,0),(0,1),(0,2),(0,3),(0,4),(0,5),(0,6),(0,7),(0,8),(0,9),(0,10),(0,11),... < 1313426007 33305 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (<*>) -<< ((,) <$>) $ [0..] < 1313426008 533038 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `-<<' < 1313426027 34950 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((,) <$>) >>- (<*>) $ [0..] < 1313426028 522781 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Control.Monad.Logic.Class.MonadLogic ((->) [b])) < 1313426028 939314 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arisin... < 1313426334 33242 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had an idea for an esolang! < 1313426345 177947 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where nothing is defined except for error handling < 1313426346 990078 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be nice if MonadLogic had interleaving for applicative or something. < 1313426354 768798 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: sounds interesting < 1313426373 930193 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you have to define some other things. the errors themselves. < 1313426408 850281 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it would be interesting if you could somehow improve on typical exception handling. < 1313426409 735525 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1313426450 602804 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :will the exceptions take parameters? if so you could pass other exceptions as parameters. < 1313426455 422222 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Would I recieve death threats if I made Ook++? // I will kill you for even SUGGESTING such a thing. < 1313426512 642665 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: also you probably need some kind of try-catch construct that can catch its own raises, to allow recursive computations. < 1313426711 585652 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you still have to figure out conditionals < 1313426737 405336 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you'd need one value that isn't an exception, and some kind of primitive that implements conditionals on that distinction < 1313426897 587574 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess try-catch is a kind of conditional. < 1313427094 830035 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you'll need functions as well < 1313427185 803096 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that either return values or raise exceptions. though actually you could make them all void, you just need a way to abstract. < 1313427206 973283 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :functions that either do nothing or raise exceptions would be interesting. < 1313427316 834560 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the recursive catch it would be very easy to implement Peano arithmetic. < 1313427331 764918 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with an S and 0 exception < 1313427449 493722 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so essentially the exceptions act as your data structures < 1313427520 234290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1313427563 818439 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: are you taking notes yet? :P < 1313427614 76610 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1313427756 361508 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a "lower" primitive would be interesting. < 1313427781 767852 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would that work? < 1313427930 953855 :CakeProp1et!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313427944 462175 :CakeProp1et!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what was the last thing I said? < 1313427954 61434 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : a "lower" primitive would be interesting. < 1313427967 242152 :CakeProp1et!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:04 < CakeProphet> essentially it works like raise in reverse. It takes an exception back to the previous try-catch < 1313427970 653089 :CakeProp1et!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:05 < CakeProphet> or.... I guess raises an exception if there is no lower level. :P < 1313427978 934571 :CakeProp1et!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:05 < CakeProphet> or does nothing in that case. < 1313428032 814136 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm totally programming computers with my mouse < 1313428034 490835 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1313428045 302186 :CakeProp1et!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net NICK :CakeProphet < 1313428115 126726 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, tuples would be handy I think < 1313428143 891021 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though not strictly necessary < 1313428195 301792 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an n-tuple would just be an anonymous n-argument exception. < 1313428258 790181 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-42.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys are over the head of average joe < 1313428283 329401 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, I'm starting to think that exception handling essentially just adds a second call stack. < 1313428289 337371 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are #esoteric, derric < 1313428298 708343 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/derric/derrik/ < 1313428313 85013 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be interesting to have more than two call stacks, that you could name. < 1313428345 963270 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-42.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesomities upon awesomities < 1313428385 688439 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no awesomitie-on-awesomitie porn < 1313428404 335509 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a strictly safe-for-work channel. < 1313428410 699335 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote tasty treat < 1313428415 417143 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1313428419 994885 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1313428420 497659 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1313428427 150088 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1313428432 36868 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb - after lots of hacking the recursive parser seems to work < 1313428440 356910 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted, it's not any kind of good code, but it WORKS and i'm tired anyway < 1313428447 210012 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just have to check if recursivity works < 1313428452 365718 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: you should learn Haskell, right now. < 1313428459 213330 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should < 1313428460 218774 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1313428463 178657 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not now < 1313428468 206073 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay cool. < 1313428486 161784 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Gregor < 1313428487 848533 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :14) GregorR-L: i bet only you can prevent forest fires. basically, you know. \ 53) Gregor is often a scandalous imposter. It's all the hats, I tell you. \ 54) If I ever made a game where you jabbed bears ... I'd call it jabbear. \ 55) GregorR: are you talking about ehird's virginity < 1313428510 782893 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1313428590 84248 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1313428636 925228 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1313428639 398103 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1313428668 965973 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "back" < 1313428670 212981 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "back" < 1313428680 15449 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo back < 1313428680 586603 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1313428723 445846 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[>,]<[.<]!kcab < 1313428723 518613 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1313428732 724472 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! it works < 1313428735 759209 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb i finished the interpreter < 1313428741 391535 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hurrah! < 1313428742 488225 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of kcab < 1313428742 679575 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a hacky parser but it works < 1313428748 741719 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kebab would be nice < 1313428759 906561 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shish or donner? < 1313428767 522379 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :döner < 1313428775 211046 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh. < 1313428777 647432 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't have shish < 1313428792 330634 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :tested it in all cases i thought of < 1313428793 156339 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t intersperse < 1313428793 408053 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works! < 1313428794 498426 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. a -> [a] -> [a] < 1313428794 852336 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're just a bunch of things on sticks then fried! < 1313428799 22714 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just make the debug code more debug < 1313428806 207320 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t intercalate < 1313428806 818325 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1313428807 484793 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [a] -> [[a]] -> [a] < 1313428811 479170 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they are not < 1313428817 353961 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoohle [a] -> [a] -> [a] < 1313428818 137081 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude (++) :: [a] -> [a] -> [a] < 1313428818 466909 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List (++) :: [a] -> [a] -> [a] < 1313428818 539120 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List deleteFirstsBy :: (a -> a -> Bool) -> [a] -> [a] -> [a] < 1313428857 256006 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.fi/search?tbm=isch&hl=fi&source=hp&biw=1170&bih=558&q=d%C3%B6ner&gbv=2&oq=d%C3%B6ner&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=0l0l0l8439l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0 < 1313428863 944223 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle [a] - < 1313428864 443978 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parse error: < 1313428864 778541 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : --count=20 "[a] -" < 1313428864 851117 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ < 1313428868 561305 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle [a] -> [a] < 1313428869 175647 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude cycle :: [a] -> [a] < 1313428869 507897 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude init :: [a] -> [a] < 1313428869 580584 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude reverse :: [a] -> [a] < 1313428882 624110 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.fi/search?hl=fi&biw=1366&bih=631&gbv=2&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=shish&oq=shish&aq=f&aqi=g7&aql=1&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=9418l10217l0l10719l5l5l0l0l0l0l138l614l1.4l5l0 < 1313428888 289494 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (\a -> (++) =<< reverse) < 1313428889 523130 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show ([a] -> [a]) < 1313428889 854917 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use ... < 1313428894 932146 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (\a -> (++) =<< reverse) "hello" < 1313428896 841858 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ollehhello" < 1313428899 767639 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you meant that shish are < 1313428908 678971 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true, but as i said, we don't really have those < 1313428926 143275 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix ((++) =<< reverse) "hello" < 1313428927 402444 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[GHC.Types.Char] -> t' < 1313428927 813442 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferr... < 1313428932 457415 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (\a -(++) =<< reverse) "hello" < 1313428933 589490 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `-' < 1313428934 103235 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1313428949 281211 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but döners are the awesome < 1313428951 342723 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (\a -> (++) =<< reverse $ a) "hello" < 1313428952 591059 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[GHC.Types.Char] -> t' < 1313428952 869068 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferr... < 1313428958 694920 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am Lymee in disguise. < 1313428976 55503 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle a -> b -> c -> d -> e -> f -> g -> h -> i < 1313428991 484120 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thread killed < 1313428995 286605 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worked up to h, funnily enough. < 1313429006 691439 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle a -> b -> c -> d -> e -> f -> g -> h < 1313429008 119019 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List zipWith7 :: (a -> b -> c -> d -> e -> f -> g -> h) -> [a] -> [b] -> [c] -> [d] -> [e] -> [f] -> [g] -> [h] < 1313429008 455650 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Time TimeDiff :: Int -> Int -> Int -> Int -> Int -> Int -> Integer -> TimeDiff < 1313429008 528246 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Network.Browser AuthDigest :: String -> String -> String -> String -> Maybe Algorithm -> [URI] -> Maybe String -> [Qop] -> Authority < 1313429018 505625 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, you are not. < 1313429040 202339 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle zipWith8 < 1313429041 40532 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found < 1313429047 517998 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle zipWith7 < 1313429048 191331 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List zipWith7 :: (a -> b -> c -> d -> e -> f -> g -> h) -> [a] -> [b] -> [c] -> [d] -> [e] -> [f] -> [g] -> [h] < 1313429054 51511 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :googling döner pictures = not a good idea < 1313429061 945394 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix ((++) . reverse) "hello" < 1313429066 252586 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1313429080 36122 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((++) . reverse) "hello" < 1313429081 813318 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show < 1313429082 146856 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ([GHC.... < 1313429093 12490 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((++) . reverse) "hello" "a" < 1313429097 996790 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1313429141 130514 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that deeply disturbing to anyone else? < 1313429146 359606 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all < 1313429150 522692 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i'm mentally ignoring it < 1313429176 756789 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't ignore my girth. < 1313429239 602929 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you gear a lot? < 1313429261 801967 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I.... what does that mean? < 1313429272 810492 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well where does girth come from then < 1313429278 397921 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :has to come from something < 1313429305 326671 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.geekstir.com/gary-oak-you-cant-ignore-his-girth < 1313429307 268196 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he's referring to what's keeping his saddle in place < 1313429323 621895 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am referring to an internet meme but Taneb's answer is acceptable I guess. < 1313429418 900561 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1313429422 555718 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'd upload my interpreter somewhere < 1313429432 643846 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has to be the stupidest meme < 1313429434 224851 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my server admin made the VPS _DIE._ < 1313429444 830501 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone with 40KB of server space? < 1313429446 440246 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously, how do you form irth-forms < 1313429446 855799 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah it's pretty dumb. < 1313429456 130447 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like kill => kirth? < 1313429457 935919 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :please? < 1313429462 221754 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically wishes it were the bloodninja cyber logs. < 1313429463 596437 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what? < 1313429467 996580 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are these things called file upload services where you can put whatever. < 1313429478 375086 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: what is unclear to you < 1313429486 558723 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :girth is like... a word. < 1313429490 641705 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no -irth form < 1313429501 567902 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there was an irth form, i wouldn't have to ask < 1313429515 169428 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-42.elisa.ee PART :#esoteric < 1313429516 568414 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie i do not like rapidshare or megaupload < 1313429519 395207 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :mediafire is fine, but... but... meh < 1313429524 468688 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway there's also birth < 1313429526 563823 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just want something without all this glitteryness everywhere < 1313429529 654088 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: okay now you're just confusing me. < 1313429536 396574 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which comes from bear < 1313429540 148746 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuencode + pastebin? < 1313429574 517283 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the irth form makes a verb into the event of that action ending < 1313429585 344791 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: like, there's nothing to interpret linguistically < 1313429587 899218 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how gear => girth makes sense though < 1313429598 824267 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit i'll just use dropbox < 1313429606 57040 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. The measurement around the middle of something, esp. a person's waist. < 1313429612 307886 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like.. it's just a word... with a meaning. < 1313429613 979691 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no pun. < 1313429621 376681 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever. < 1313429625 861728 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yyyyyyyeah right < 1313429630 889327 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bear -> birth < 1313429635 517258 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb http://dl.dropbox.com/u/29165587/binodu1.zip < 1313429638 581146 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gear -> gearth < 1313429651 529043 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay where the fuck does mirth come from < 1313429664 278502 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mear. < 1313429666 468452 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, why are you doing this. < 1313429669 753674 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bear -> shit, in the woods. < 1313429675 679798 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a verb? < 1313429676 429766 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a variation of mere, meaning a big pond < 1313429688 472622 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :added on wiki < 1313429689 602816 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what does that mean as a word < 1313429689 937211 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, Windemere < 1313429697 500952 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[vi] [rude] to urinate, to pee, to piss (on). It appears in the phrase meado por los perros ‘pissed on by dogs’, meaning ‘screwed up, terribly unlucky < 1313429699 201407 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how does the ending of doing a pond make you really happy < 1313429702 383268 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming that is spanish < 1313429714 796779 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Well, if it's a *big* pond. < 1313429725 121999 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1313429725 371586 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but yeah, definitely looking into it too much. < 1313429753 649537 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fear -> firth? (2. firth -- (a long narrow estuary (especially in Scotland))) < 1313429760 426140 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ah, good point, earth-endings are probably just alternative spellings < 1313429765 218162 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance earth itself < 1313429773 656257 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :from "to ear" < 1313429780 530914 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what is this. < 1313429785 717791 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is all false I'm pretty sure < 1313429789 125999 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're just making stuff up. < 1313429800 783584 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Earth, the earest. < 1313429869 66871 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear -> dearth < 1313429883 457939 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so i think we have pretty much proved that the irth forms do exist, but what we still lack is a good explanation for what the semantics actually are < 1313429894 918195 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure i covered it completely yet < 1313429896 952983 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys are inventing these linguistic shenanigans to ruin what was a completely acceptable bit of humor involving dicks. < 1313429905 435136 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because for instance i'm not sure how earth is the end of all earing. < 1313429916 653388 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: It's because it's so endearing. < 1313429919 366472 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put your ear to the ground? < 1313429926 987794 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hear -> hearth? < 1313429945 349317 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1313429947 302656 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :peir -> Perth? < 1313429953 758359 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1313429966 906749 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :..... < 1313429971 755177 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all really really obvious now < 1313429976 471599 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, this is all false. There is no connection between any of that stuff. < 1313429977 305203 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't i see this before < 1313430002 679215 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should call the government of english about this discovirth < 1313430020 433507 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO OXFORD UNIVERSITY! < 1313430028 942238 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1313430032 785702 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you haven't discovered anything. < 1313430035 468352 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oxfirth < 1313430092 921007 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how in hell was that pokemon thing funny < 1313430107 895888 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a meme. < 1313430117 30202 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It needs to be spreadable, not funny. < 1313430128 659268 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like butter < 1313430132 156031 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a true < 1313430138 393624 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trith < 1313430141 764004 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*trirth < 1313430155 803730 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't ignore my trirth < 1313430160 984578 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? I just made a variation. < 1313430188 119482 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :trirth is pretty standard english < 1313430217 457191 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, no < 1313430224 577329 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it with all of these false things you're saying. < 1313430237 391745 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh! trirth, eh? < 1313430248 603929 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let icbin = "I can't believe it's not \"" ++ icbin ++ "\"" in icbin < 1313430250 268482 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "I can't believe it's not \"I can't believe it's not \"I can't believe it's... < 1313430286 201170 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you know you could do that a lot easier with fix or cycle. < 1313430362 117106 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix $ ("I can't believe it's not \"" ++) . (++ "\"") < 1313430363 713957 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "I can't believe it's not \"I can't believe it's not \"I can't believe it's... < 1313430366 614788 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not really any easier. < 1313430374 458305 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want the closing quotes for balance, you see. < 1313430402 865044 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1313430423 551196 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cycle "I can't believe it's not \"" < 1313430424 799795 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "I can't believe it's not \"I can't believe it's not \"I can't believe it's... < 1313430433 360840 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah it's like the same thing. < 1313430435 130035 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't have the closing quotes either. < 1313430448 695014 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: still says "Hello2World!" < 1313430456 30692 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think something is wrong with CakeProphet today < 1313430456 196739 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1313430461 242834 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't fix it on the wiki, there < 1313430474 169113 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will right now tho < 1313430474 249588 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: more false things. < 1313430488 760036 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :false thoughts. < 1313430498 729833 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, asiekierka, you are not logged into the wiki < 1313430500 889008 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :false lies < 1313430503 503539 :ais523!~ais523@cpc2-king8-0-0-cust831.perr.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1313430504 859307 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb i know < 1313430507 475079 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm too lazy to. < 1313430510 504636 :ais523!~ais523@cpc2-king8-0-0-cust831.perr.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1313430510 576848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1313430618 176420 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix put on wiki, Taneb < 1313430621 823256 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :now code in Binodu, FOR IT'S WORKING < 1313430634 425142 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i plan to work on 99 bottles of beer later < 1313430647 292581 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: drink plenty of water to avoid a hangover. < 1313430657 319912 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn cp was faster < 1313430674 518638 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I'm quick to pounce on that shit. < 1313430675 100722 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1313430676 768548 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :99 bottles of water < 1313430682 446115 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's lame. < 1313430691 192541 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should get shitfaced but avoid the hangover. < 1313430706 402096 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :99 pieces of cake < 1313430709 857108 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmmm < 1313430713 387106 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :99 pieces of cake with the prophet, < 1313430714 914277 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :99 bottles of birth on the wall < 1313430715 996553 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :99 pieces of cake. < 1313430721 427112 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: lol < 1313430729 567661 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nom one down and don't pass it on, < 1313430733 108593 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :98 pieces of cake with the prophet. < 1313430791 932427 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [99..0] < 1313430793 185396 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [] < 1313430795 161689 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :egads! < 1313430796 739176 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if i can still get a dirth from the kirth place < 1313430834 875537 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IKIRTH? < 1313430842 620261 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 bottles of beer on the wall, < 1313430845 797596 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 bottles of beer. < 1313430854 113513 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: Still saying "Hello,2World!" < 1313430865 417875 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb IT DOES NOT. I tested. < 1313430875 511520 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, I think I used unsigned < 1313430879 829296 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :255 bottles of beer on the wall. < 1313430993 125652 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: are you sure the one on the wiki is the right one? < 1313431000 848450 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking < 1313431013 773309 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\x -> show x++" bottles of beer on the wall, "++show x++" bottles of beer. Take one down, pass it around, "++show(x-1)++" bottles of beer on the wall.") <$> reverse [1..99] < 1313431017 201998 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftM2 (++) show ((" bottles of beer on the wall, " ++) . ap ((++) . show) ((" bottles of beer. Take one down, pass it around, " ++) . (++ " bottles of beer on the wall.") . show . subtract 1)) <$> < 1313431017 616178 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse [1..99] < 1313431017 687806 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimization suspended, use @pl-resume to continue. < 1313431022 134920 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl-resume < 1313431026 287100 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftM2 (++) show ((" bottles of beer on the wall, " ++) . liftM2 (++) show ((" bottles of beer. Take one down, pass it around, " ++) . (++ " bottles of beer on the wall.") . show . subtract 1)) <$> < 1313431026 619738 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse [1..99] < 1313431027 673462 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've deleted it and reinstalled it, still getting Hello,2World! < 1313431067 713220 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was broken (i forgot to add spaces) < 1313431069 240275 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's good < 1313431072 83879 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just copypasted it < 1313431073 105166 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WORKS < 1313431101 824846 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\x -> show x++" bottles of beer on the wall, "++show x++" bottles of beer. Take one down, pass it around, "++show(x-1)++" bottles of beer on the wall.") =<< reverse [1..99] < 1313431104 27373 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "99 bottles of beer on the wall, 99 bottles of beer. Take one down, pass it... < 1313431116 450058 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do the [99,98..1] thing too, though I guess reverse [1..99] is not any worse. < 1313431128 222820 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1313431173 357711 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1,1,2,3,5,8,13..] < 1313431174 356700 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `..' < 1313431180 954915 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: Oh come on, it's *obvious*. < 1313431219 501247 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\x -> x++" bottles of beer on the wall, "++x++" bottles of beer. Take one down, pass it around, "++ show . subtract 1 . read ++" bottles of beer on the wall.").show =<< reverse [1..99] < 1313431220 309 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: YOU ARE A FUCKING RETARDO < 1313431220 755268 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Base.String -> GHC.Base.String' < 1313431221 93467 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : a... < 1313431334 604178 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\x -> x++" bottles of beer on the wall, "++x++" bottles of beer. Take one down, pass it around, "++ (show . subtract 1 . read) x ++" bottles of beer on the wall. ").show =<< [99,98..1] < 1313431337 479221 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap (++) ((" bottles of beer on the wall, " ++) . ap (++) ((" bottles of beer. Take one down, pass it around, " ++) . (++ " bottles of beer on the wall. ") . show . subtract 1 . read)) . show =<< [99, < 1313431337 645410 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :98..1] < 1313431353 429864 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful < 1313431371 117656 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: can't get it working :/ < 1313431402 934816 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb why not < 1313431415 207988 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still doing Hello,2World! < 1313431435 869230 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you test that program, see if it's the program? < 1313431457 167788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1313431470 192249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :helo < 1313431470 719871 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1313431492 133740 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\x -> x++" bottles of beer on the wall, "++x++" bottles of beer. Take one down, pass it around, "++ (show . subtract 1 . read) x ++" bottles of beer on the wall. ").show =<< [99,98..1] < 1313431495 37046 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap (++) ((" bottles of beer on the wall, " ++) . ap (++) ((" bottles of beer. Take one down, pass it around, " ++) . (++ " bottles of beer on the wall. ") . show . subtract 1 . read)) . show =<< [99, < 1313431495 368834 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :98..1] < 1313431526 35521 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reshow f = show . f . read is a nifty function < 1313431560 597607 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let reshow f = show . f . read in reshow (+1) "99" < 1313431562 774473 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "100" < 1313431581 765777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :call it "perl" < 1313431589 457760 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott :D < 1313431597 961575 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :harr harr. except it's HASKELL OOOOH WHAT NOW. < 1313431610 727270 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskperl < 1313431628 593238 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perlell < 1313431665 133324 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Herl? Paskell (lol...) < 1313431717 596160 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once told someone that Haskell was my favorite language. < 1313431733 157548 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they thought I said Pascal, and gave me strange looks. < 1313431745 63303 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be worse < 1313431774 699642 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could have thought you said Klingon < 1313431831 983241 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Objective C < 1313431891 573985 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... MS SQL? < 1313431984 226755 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what the world is sorely lacking? < 1313431991 852241 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hybrid language between Visual Basic and Java. < 1313432004 21858 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Visual J#? < 1313432019 799161 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jasic < 1313432073 782087 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow there's actually a visual J# < 1313432122 255203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:14:56: itidus20: the question i'm having is whether there has yet been any procedurally generated work whose value goes beyond just "look at this clever procedural generation" < 1313432126 232724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Minecraft count? < 1313432131 49005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does C# count? < 1313432144 159123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1313432149 603503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VB.NET and C# are pretty similar languages except for the syntax, nowadays < 1313432150 263698 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Not any more. < 1313432159 737724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:16:56: otoh procedurally generated works _without_ AI can still showcase the beauty of mathematics < 1313432159 897433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a program spits out Hamlet, it's amazing, whether it has intelligence or not is irrelevant < 1313432169 401721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(re 00:17:18: and in some way, perhaps that's all they can do) < 1313432172 719911 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: cat sure is amazing. < 1313432181 678557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: har har har < 1313432184 890282 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1313432196 23917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: unless it gets it off the Internet? < 1313432201 320478 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, "cat hamlet" = best Hamlet ever. < 1313432203 846639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it's hardcoded? < 1313432215 536177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:21:06: but if a work is long, achieving something which looks consistently intelligent by chance has vanishingly low probability < 1313432215 867834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think humans can perform a perfect turing test given a novel-sized output? < 1313432217 942624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in all situations? < 1313432219 7882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wowzers < 1313432234 615260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure a program could write a terrible romance novel pretty easily and it'd sell :P < 1313432247 513435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: OK now I want to see Hamlet played by a cat. < 1313432250 624429 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1313432250 791885 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if it had vampires < 1313432250 992627 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher homestuck* ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1313432262 971746 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ff7 < 1313432263 389748 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ff7 (Full script of the game Final Fantasy VII) < 1313432269 356612 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: write a romance novel < 1313432270 67593 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i had to choose either auto or manual.... that name? you mean only a matter of the ancients, right? an' it's my own weaknesses are what created me. ( gosh, it can't be expected to remember each person's name. < 1313432275 673486 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :To meow, or not to meow? < 1313432280 751696 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: write a romance novel < 1313432281 334751 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i'll give you back the money i stole from you! you can't die! you! what now? call it shinra mansion. i'll write again.... < 1313432284 456093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, the basic point is that if it spits out a compelling work (without cheating), then it has value, whether or not the program is intelligent enough < 1313432294 294664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1313432294 911611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: call it That Sword Alone Can't Stop < 1313432299 906954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ enough// < 1313432308 3393 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1313432309 122841 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...How do you sign up to be turing tested? < 1313432330 809843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:23:55: hm? i'd imagine fungot's success is precisely because it implements a framework of language - if a very shallow one < 1313432330 882115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine if it operated on bits rather than words < 1313432330 976120 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: tifa always used to get back. come on and take a picture of you that, there's something personal too... < 1313432336 893067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody would give a shit < 1313432370 196931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:25:10: evincar: common fungot bug in how it selects the next word < 1313432370 269417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :banana problem < 1313432370 269582 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: gosh! you're comin' with shinra now. why'd you bring your chocobo to this. < 1313432376 850646 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1313432389 919536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1313432393 29777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1313432408 178518 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's last line made me laugh. < 1313432408 762265 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: you don't get depressed over a thing, rookie! it's full, so let's hurry before they get in!! < 1313432412 268890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1313432445 222308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:33:43: but if fungot is passed off as an actual human, with human rights and human access to resources then trouble brews < 1313432445 294100 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh... is bugenhagen...? my family... friends... the pain in my dreams so often... ri.... < 1313432451 3124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would fully support this < 1313432454 529084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cue ais523 saying he wouldn't < 1313432470 208136 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot would be ab excellent dictator. < 1313432470 706572 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: you mean the owner of the way you walk, gesture... < 1313432476 351304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :giving computers human rights would be a little complicated < 1313432480 272705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, that's an apposite reply < 1313432499 287309 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ab/an/ < 1313432531 133076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:43:11: i would like to procedurally generate graphics for scribblenauts < 1313432531 468259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how large Scribblenaut's vocab. actually is < 1313432537 403032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]ts' < 1313432546 895882 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smaller than super scribblenauts < 1313432559 276494 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < CakeProphet> fungot would be ab excellent dictator. < 1313432559 693191 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i'm... i'm used to talk... man, i'm pissed!! get it. thanks for showing us! < 1313432559 942329 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fairly large, though there are a few words it doens't have. < 1313432561 389734 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1313432562 343672 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kik iios = < 1313432563 973605 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e4tjuishrwrt < 1313432570 373032 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think what they are fomr the top of my head, though. < 1313432571 956889 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid irssi < 1313432576 763976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"love" < 1313432589 219348 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"beer" < 1313432594 217470 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by words it doens't have I specifically mean ones I expected it to. < 1313432596 498279 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: love and beer < 1313432596 997872 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: you awake? want me to do with what we did it! < 1313432621 566894 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"frisbee" < 1313432625 36385 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Super Scribblenauts has a lot more possibilities, but it has some problems due to not being made fomr scratch. < 1313432632 257575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"death" < 1313432639 205570 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it does have death < 1313432642 974586 :Monster!~diabolo@frbg-5f732afe.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313432648 46688 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all things must die. < 1313432650 9441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monster: hi monster < 1313432651 221256 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certain adjectives are built-in to certain words, for isntance,. < 1313432657 734906 :Monster!~diabolo@frbg-5f732afe.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1313432664 546026 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello Monster < 1313432671 527396 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i basically just woke up.. good timing < 1313432677 88166 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monsieur Monster < 1313432684 848350 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also relies a lot on defaults, rather than selecting undefined qualities differently each time. < 1313432686 211357 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style darwin < 1313432686 805599 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: darwin (Books by Charles Darwin -- you know, that evilution guy) < 1313432697 394570 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: frisbee? < 1313432699 567614 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i overlooked/ advantage :) allowing several shots to be fired, which is eagerly sought by innumerable ants, chiefly belonging to fnord and fnord " 9 deg s., 172 deg w.); discovered in/ areas :) subsidence volcanos were either absent or inactive,/ inference i think you misunderstand me. i remember well a walk i took with me a stallion and a mare from/ beautiful fnord pigeons :) australia " fnord lophotes) behaves, as desc < 1313432704 625140 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darwin's still the most smiliest writer ever. < 1313432726 96754 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :One day I'll fixamate. < 1313432742 179786 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: he's fairly fnordy as well < 1313432743 554541 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: my father has paid/ bill, but to/ inferiority :)/ illegitimate offspring from all three forms growing together in pools in/ interior :) queensland. to mr. g. planchon see ( nat. lib.: birds,' vol. iii. 1861, p. 11.) < 1313432752 953217 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ = the, :) = of. < 1313432784 419956 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a darwin only thing? < 1313432808 98482 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. A script mishap during the model-generation. < 1313432842 574356 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filtered unused punctuation out too, which upset the token indices. (The first K token numbers are hardcoded to be the punctuation.) < 1313432861 691652 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So two of his most common words got mapped to the two last punctuation tokens. < 1313432867 495218 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1313432882 913882 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1313432883 264617 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin* discworld europarl ff7 fisher homestuck ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1313432889 312658 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1313432889 812558 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1313432904 460046 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: beer, love, death, and frisbee < 1313432905 291044 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i am still on the top shelf with two fluoros, two " pillars" ( one of my 2.0 goals: support more than 4 or so lines in a fnord < 1313432945 242924 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do that thing you do so well < 1313432945 909455 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i'll think of that < 1313432973 435877 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this is an interesting bot. I'd like to look at the source sometime... except it's in befunge right? < 1313432979 579928 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1313432979 746405 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1313432986 12980 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's publicly available. < 1313433002 791997 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. but I can't read befunge very well. I guess that's something to learn how to do in my spare time. < 1313433019 684429 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anyone can really read befunge all that well. < 1313433030 308609 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least other people's. < 1313433057 670190 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to learn about AI. < 1313433066 958919 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I don't know if fungot technically counts as AI < 1313433067 559330 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i like the exercises, then go to the summer cabin to sleep < 1313433084 157132 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Perl version of the babbling at http://git.zem.fi/fungot/tree/HEAD:/varikn -- not the model-building scripts, but a test script that can be used to babble, plus the conversion scripts from standard ARPA ngram model format. < 1313433084 488915 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i could check with finger. please remove all two- or three button mice and all keyboards. < 1313433104 718695 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Uh." < 1313433141 950627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:28:56: I don't have any version of Haskel, so I might as well go with GHC so i can try out the language int he first place. < 1313433144 3055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :two Ls < 1313433149 94309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you probably want the haskell program < 1313433150 727766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1313433152 616386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you probably want the haskell platform < 1313433157 30414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably too late, sigh < 1313433166 242298 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No worries. < 1313433176 544667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:32:29: * MDude recoils at the sight of pink flowers. < 1313433176 878260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:33:01: Do not worry because the flowers are not part of the Haskell program as far as I know. < 1313433177 544436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDD < 1313433180 456230 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The GHC site itself told me I should go for the platform instead. < 1313433182 843315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: oh didn't realise you were still here < 1313433254 612392 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sometime when I'm less busy I'll have to sit down and comprehend everything you just said. < 1313433272 262486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said anything confusing? < 1313433297 927480 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah see there's this whole knowledge thing. < 1313433313 725418 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people have parts of it and others don't. The lack of it can make certain sentences hard to understand. < 1313433327 161066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:04:23: http://ideone.com/PULCM < 1313433327 327821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:04:41: According to _why, it should be Yes, Dr. Cham electrocuted his niece Hannah. < 1313433334 438126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: why's poignant guide is written for an old version of Ruby. < 1313433376 68441 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured as much. < 1313433386 270135 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it still useful to read? < 1313433399 84983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you like foxes and bacon, yes. < 1313433407 475275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the soundtrack is better, though. < 1313433418 833062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://mislav.uniqpath.com/poignant-guide/soundtrack/) < 1313433427 345958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: also it's totally incomplete, so w/e < 1313433438 289457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fun book though < 1313433448 412374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you aren't reading the sidebars you suck < 1313433450 960731 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :super scribblenauts increased adjectives but didn't really increase nouns signifigantly as i understand it < 1313433556 89647 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a good example of how Super scribblenauts works oddly is that if you make a pregnant mom, she gives birth to a baby mom. < 1313433562 690397 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only babies give birth to babies. < 1313433588 487166 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is distinct fomr a baby . < 1313433591 681959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1313433595 34827 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you have baby babies. < 1313433598 210577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pregnant pregnancy < 1313433605 373371 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*from < 1313433610 925655 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deadly death < 1313433626 429858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:32:22: When it comes to games especially, your only choices for good pre-existing scripting languages are Lua and Python. < 1313433636 959696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Squirrel is used extensively in the game industry and is designed for the purpose < 1313433663 352875 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried, and haven't found a way to make anything in super scribblenauts reliably self-replicating. < 1313433726 223723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:25:33: hm that was actually a funny one < 1313433726 390539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that was a good xkcd < 1313433752 415826 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor is supposedly nice for games, though I haven't tried it, and also it's stack-based. < 1313433780 786071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Triplet < 1313433782 821443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HATRED < 1313433796 809029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: Factor would be a very poor choice of extension language, IMO < 1313433806 598406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For writing a game from scratch, maybe, but not as an extension language < 1313433940 544016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:47:16: it already has the Interpreter class and all the sub-classes (coding in java because i'm lazy) < 1313433955 86286 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(coding in java because i'm lazy) < 1313433955 604627 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1313433959 565086 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't go bitchy about it < 1313433961 526498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :today scientists found that the amount of sense the definition of "lazy" makes is correlated with intelligence < 1313433977 174552 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm lazy, i dont want to learn a new programming language < 1313433981 339166 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and C is not good for quick coding < 1313433984 153781 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore i used java < 1313433992 145335 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott nonono < 1313434003 691930 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :they found that the amount of projects of yours that use Java is correlated with intelligence < 1313434036 809846 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you use all of Indonesia < 1313434099 923724 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been thinking about writing my own game scripting language for a while. < 1313434144 392965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:24:11: Does Java actually do tail-call elimination? < 1313434144 465717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:24:31: I'm not sure if it's specified to, but interps are certainly allowed to, and I suspect most of the big-name ones do < 1313434149 832070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um, afaik the sun jvm does not at all < 1313434159 475454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? wow < 1313434190 573158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it? nobody does that in java < 1313434204 37912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc is rare by providing TRE < 1313434204 703812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:27:47: > (*) <$> [100,70,0] <*> 9 < 1313434204 776339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:27:48: No instance for (GHC.Num.Num [a]) < 1313434204 776471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :u r smart < 1313434261 970710 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1313434321 49042 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1313434328 729183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:43:08: trirth is pretty standard english < 1313434328 801693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:43:37: uh, no < 1313434328 897989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:43:44: what is it with all of these false things you're saying. < 1313434336 137515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: umm dude are you even an english native? < 1313434375 619362 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah man < 1313434378 265917 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott! :) < 1313434438 931469 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, how old are you? < 1313434495 216067 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1313434520 911124 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes I am. < 1313434524 558859 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: 20 < 1313434536 893448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: then how are you unaware of those forms < 1313434542 430453 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1313434545 216627 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is trirth? < 1313434555 960097 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, we don't have time for this. < 1313434575 957992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, you're doing the obnoxious "i don't like this so I'll pretend not to understand it" thing < 1313434581 692018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prescriptivism is awesomeeeeeeeeeeeeee < 1313434601 806342 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm aware that there are words with -irth at the end, but I'm pretty sure they're not forms of different words in the way that -ness at the end of an adjective makes it a noun. < 1313434605 382784 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1313434611 372535 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I really don't know what the word trirth means. < 1313434623 497667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm out < 1313434659 447239 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. < 1313434695 420901 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should we tell him? < 1313434701 371226 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because this is rather fun to watch < 1313434709 675194 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, it's basic grammar. < 1313434725 157257 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: we're TRYING to tell him. < 1313434742 442471 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not. Hard. enough. < 1313434746 508266 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope kebab places haven't closed during my long procrastinirth :( < 1313434786 668292 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :extent of... truth? < 1313434796 978450 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, 17:32:54: so the irth form makes a verb into the event of that action ending < 1313434800 217527 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What more do you want? < 1313434814 877735 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trirth is when you stop trying. < 1313434817 999107 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is mirth the end of. < 1313434819 940963 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1313434835 442945 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mearing < 1313434836 708926 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1313434851 889127 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1313434895 333672 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me meo < 1313434923 181301 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait, mearme < 1313434928 938714 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, when you stop mearing, that's the mirth < 1313434943 583133 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smirth is when you stop smearing. < 1313434966 208416 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Birth is when you stop being. < 1313434986 279508 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1313434987 377167 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i thought it was when you stop bearing < 1313434995 320500 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They named Perth that because they had gotten bored of building peirs < 1313434997 796728 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1313435003 12979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: haha < 1313435004 467054 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1313435007 351749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not another fucking coastal city --Australians < 1313435011 724740 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb, watching university challenge < 1313435012 224214 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, that's bearth. < 1313435014 272088 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i don't completely understand this yet. < 1313435015 214525 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1313435016 86381 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's stupid. that's not an actual thing. < 1313435039 486116 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, tell us when watchirth. < 1313435069 90965 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you watchirth < 1313435088 596028 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i didn't even know they can be used as verbs too < 1313435096 115232 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess we all learned something today then, right CakeProphet? < 1313435113 300812 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, it's a tense too, although I forgive you because you're not a native speaker. < 1313435127 564095 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1313435163 155145 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :get outta jail free card < 1313435171 88493 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the human brain can grep all kinds of meanings for words? sure. < 1313435180 874901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: stop being an idio < 1313435181 298023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1313435183 568542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not funny any more < 1313435191 639218 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, birth an idiot. < 1313435211 39894 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets not forget the fact that humans created all the meanings for words :D < 1313435213 45153 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: that's not a good definition of learning imo, but i guess you agree < 1313435243 104278 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so girth is the end of getting (fat?) < 1313435244 114384 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, language is beyond the control of any individual human < 1313435248 88696 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or going? < 1313435250 459152 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not being an idiot. < 1313435250 624759 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1313435251 967583 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suck < 1313435260 406160 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was never a joke. < 1313435265 697310 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets not forget that humans created all the meanings for maths < 1313435266 112969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the end of getting is where the most common meaning of girth comes from, yes < 1313435270 423865 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1313435276 932566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's where the end of all the food you've got is, basically < 1313435281 132247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: go away < 1313435282 507764 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1313435283 117222 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1313435291 308259 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: maths! < 1313435295 756052 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :girth is another word for the diameter of a graph < 1313435304 581460 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i know what that is < 1313435330 963964 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know there are CA synchronization algorithms that work in linear time w.r.t. the girth of the given graph < 1313435348 913490 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i did not < 1313435358 125825 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :please point me to the relevant papers < 1313435361 28724 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where by synchronization i mean the firing squad problem of making everything step into state f at the same time < 1313435363 24500 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will < 1313435372 162462 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :a human can create something.... but < 1313435393 563411 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can take on a life of it's own as in the case of prometheus or frankenstein < 1313435409 687104 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't heard the story of prometheus though < 1313435416 903924 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :he stole fire < 1313435424 991301 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm... lol.. < 1313435430 422571 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok leave him out < 1313435464 175402 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you meant that other dude < 1313435492 830122 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pygmalion < 1313435500 941027 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well frankenstein novel is called something like "the new prometheus" which i never knew what that meant. hahaha < 1313435514 542639 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm about to go get my tires changed. I'm going to ask the mechanic when the wirth is. < 1313435528 996376 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps in the sense of how he rebels against his creators < 1313435534 804537 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1313435536 841256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: im not fucking interested < 1313435537 573548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up < 1313435568 686546 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but language too, once it has been cast.. it sets its own way < 1313435586 67843 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why so harsh? < 1313435635 371848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: because you're being an obvious troll < 1313435638 758466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't give a shit < 1313435642 227544 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: .....how? < 1313435659 582679 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing this thing called disgareeing, that's all. < 1313435661 966280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: HEY WHAT DOES "THE" MEAN < 1313435664 404008 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*disagreeing < 1313435686 157460 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the is the definite article, it specifies that the following noun is a specific instance rather than a general one. < 1313435706 396905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: IVE NEVER HEARD THA < 1313435706 736198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :T < 1313435713 370644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IM GOING TO THE WHOREHOUSE AND IM GOING TO ASK WHETHER THEY KNOW WHAT "THE" MEANS < 1313435717 876803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORRY [ASTERISK]A WOREHOUSE < 1313435722 530327 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1313435766 549665 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure they do, they just couldn't explain it in words. < 1313435770 349570 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't say the same thing about wirth. < 1313435774 927914 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since, you know, I just made it up. < 1313435803 280137 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:57:39: pikhq_: NihilistDandy: HAHAHAHAHA I AM TAKING YOUR BELOVED HASKELL HOSTAGE < 1313435806 647695 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:57:46: WHEN I AM THROUGH WITH IT YOU WON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT IT USED TO BE < 1313435809 579531 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:58:02: I SHALL STRIKE INTROSPECTION THROUGH THE HEART OF THE THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1313435812 701054 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut? < 1313435825 203104 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i cannot find that one nice article on it :( < 1313435847 44765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Read on to find what I was doing/am doing. < 1313435849 479214 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw well thx anyways < 1313435853 882287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: yeah I just made the up too < 1313435861 216129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop whining about standard features of english just because they're not in the fucking oed < 1313435861 713837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god < 1313435863 242618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate people like you < 1313435878 193023 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: woah... < 1313435890 546334 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.springerlink.com/content/7054v778717w353p/ is probably a good but i haven't read it yet < 1313435895 771577 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modifying fields? Blasphemy! That's DATABASE TALK < 1313435901 48840 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was a bit of a hobby of mine at some point < 1313435906 829214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: non-destructively :P < 1313435922 287355 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had this HORRIBLE paper on the synchronization problem for p systems (for which the problem is trivial) < 1313435926 773563 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i got interested < 1313435929 32871 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no I just disagree that it's a standard feature of english. < 1313435932 531010 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the non-trivial one for ca < 1313435945 663686 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since words ending in -irth are quite few and don't seem to bear any common relation to one another. < 1313435955 601029 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People always ask me "Well, what if I need to implement a database in Haskell? WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?" < 1313435980 821231 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then I point out that making your own database is stupid, since SQLite did it better than they would < 1313435989 142 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, what is a firth the end of? < 1313435999 817618 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Firth is the end of Forth < 1313436029 718107 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol... < 1313436113 126300 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1313436197 791657 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: something I think you would enjoy: http://ifdb.tads.org/viewgame?id=w5s3sv43s3p98v45 < 1313436207 124545 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-89.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1313436220 556044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: why < 1313436237 469859 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glauds! How rorm it would be to pell back to the bewl and distunk them, distunk the whole delcot, let the drokes uncren them. < 1313436357 771046 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because it's a puzzle game centered on invented features of the english language. < 1313436376 928588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care about invented features of the english language < 1313436401 811962 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the well-established universal ones, obviously. < 1313436420 421380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please stop bothering me with your inane crap. < 1313436514 961146 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a dape I recognise. < 1313436550 65169 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, *botherirth < 1313436565 578844 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313436567 422534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Now THAT'S not standard usage :P < 1313436575 432026 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watchirth has occured < 1313436584 997333 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I what both, hith, altogeth, fath are. < 1313436589 217604 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what connection moth has to mother. < 1313436597 714719 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/what/wonder what/ < 1313436646 657907 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott hirth. < 1313436684 903669 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :leath, feath, farth, furth, dith, and blath < 1313436828 403045 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott HURD. < 1313436996 977631 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliot HURD of interfaces representing depth < 1313437092 103747 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let hird = hurd ++ " of interfaces representing depth"; hurd = hird ++ " of Unix-replacing daemons" in hurd < 1313437096 553606 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1313437510 358447 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let hird = hurd ++ " of interfaces representing depth"; hurd = hird ++ " of Unix-replacing daemons" in take 60 hurd < 1313437514 241282 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1313437516 488640 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, duh. < 1313437850 580083 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1313437864 587641 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do it in reverse with : < 1313437935 302449 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"smomead gnicalper-xinU fo htped gnitneserper secafretni fo ... < 1313437955 946514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p-adic strings < 1313437967 935529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1313437972 476880 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would that work? < 1313438062 581688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a deamom a deamon's parent? < 1313438080 271697 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, yes. < 1313438091 187340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, daemom/daemon < 1313438223 643122 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ("I",("wonder",("if",("anyone",("has",("ever",("done",("this",())))))))) < 1313438224 768375 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :([Char], ([Char], ([Char], ([Char], ([Char], ([Char], ([Char], ([Char], ())))))))) < 1313438257 89473 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :explicitly typed fixed-length linked lists! < 1313438326 239819 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linked tuples? < 1313438329 558180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: see HList < 1313438337 436778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an incredibly well-known technique. < 1313438341 40218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oleg. < 1313438350 397799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://homepages.cwi.nl/~ralf/HList/, http://homepages.cwi.nl/~ralf/HList/paper.pdf, http://hackage.haskell.org/package/HList < 1313438377 699053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : explicitly typed fixed-length linked lists! < 1313438384 416418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there are much better ways to do this than an hlist-style representation. < 1313438391 713553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hlist is all that and _heterogeneous_ < 1313438598 173826 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :data QuadList a b c d = a :* QuadList b c d a | Empty < 1313438675 119021 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QuadList is more sophisticated < 1313438726 83299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :QuadList solves a completely different problem. < 1313438730 448125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is not appropriate for HList's main use cases. < 1313438794 28345 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :baby murder? yeah, probably. < 1313438838 82711 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why else would it have so many typeclasses. < 1313438899 513016 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1313438924 542468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just read the paper. < 1313438926 373125 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so a NonEmptyList would be [a] = a : [a] | Last a right? < 1313438944 726271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data NonEmpty a = a :| [a] is the representation used by the commonly-used packages. < 1313438956 883057 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so it has to be infinite. < 1313438966 679219 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that, uh, makes sense. < 1313438966 762657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and :| is an operator for constructing the first elemnt of a nonempty list? < 1313438978 919780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: What? < 1313438987 983658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a constructor < 1313439001 580938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right < 1313439002 748839 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh I misread. < 1313439005 701246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a constructor that looks like an operator < 1313439010 969191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and infixes like one < 1313439015 68574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it _is_ an operator < 1313439018 174881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also a constructor < 1313439037 484733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it starts with : because, you know how constructors have to start with uppercase letters? < 1313439040 608623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :: is the only uppercase /symbol/ < 1313439047 149878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, aha < 1313439059 67916 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ho ho ho ho ho how clever Haskell 98 < 1313439064 706169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :two thousand and ten now < 1313439115 858338 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1313439636 787952 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313439711 160797 :CakeProphet!~adam@h238.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1313439766 189995 :CakeProphet!~adam@h187.55.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313439766 263457 :CakeProphet!~adam@h187.55.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1313439766 263568 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1313440060 176352 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1313440280 888996 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1313440422 127049 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-73-182-59.dsl.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313440422 311246 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-73-182-59.dsl.telstraclear.net QUIT :Changing host < 1313440422 382802 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1313440440 233535 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1313440691 189931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I just signed up for a free copy of that book that's on reddit so I can point at every page and say "that sucks, scapegoat does it better". < 1313440704 914916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1313440740 764601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://book.sourcegear.com/vcbe/request_book, if anyone is interested, but I suspect the offer will end fairly soon) < 1313440795 136145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, apparently it was on Hacker News last week, but that's a much smaller crowd < 1313440802 19982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's possible that some VCSes will do the same as Scapegoat in some situations < 1313440820 273184 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting choices in the form. < 1313440841 924467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to cover a VCS made by the company offering it, so it's obviously partially a marketing tool < 1313440842 257544 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the shit is Veracity? < 1313440848 692251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: see line above < 1313440856 271352 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that < 1313440876 238415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but oh well, it might be interesting < 1313440888 84915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ericsink.com/entries/vcbe_print_edition_free.html seems to justify it as something more than pure marketing, at least < 1313440900 256980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since it's available in ebook format for free < 1313440957 397022 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313440966 517295 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1313440988 254349 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once requested the Z80 CPU datasheets from Zilog, and they mailed those all the way to Finland for free. It was a heartwarming gesture. Especially since I didn't really-really need those for anything. (Half of the book is just timing diagrams.) < 1313440989 947530 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://veracity-scm.com/qa < 1313440991 531462 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wut < 1313440991 686515 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, wtf, it's a practical usage book? < 1313440999 501888 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it would be an architecture book. < 1313441001 445283 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lame. < 1313441016 263200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So what, it's free :-) < 1313441031 873620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm mostly getting it because "hey, I can" and because I like to support non-traditional business models revolving around scarce resources. < 1313441040 232628 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, I can also read P.G. Wodehouse's Jeeves books for free (the ones currently sitting on my DR800), only they're not terrible :P < 1313441048 970644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: They're not made out of paper < 1313441054 855204 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Paper is obsolete. < 1313441058 199776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But http://www.ericsink.com/vcbe/vcbe_usletter_lo.pdf :-P < 1313441061 842878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sure < 1313441064 333784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But people are still selling it < 1313441077 511078 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ain't buying it! < 1313441094 535883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you fill out that form you still wouldn't be buying it :P < 1313441107 83977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, the guy from The Daily WTF likes it. And a Subversion developer. < 1313441109 308974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE IT IS TERRIBLE < 1313441113 439064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND TWO OTHER SUBVERSION DEVELOPERS < 1313441115 403481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1313441141 592194 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cover's not even very good, and I'll bet it's printed on shitty paper < 1313441143 802031 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO < 1313441155 304235 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you remember that Books LLC situation? < 1313441161 560229 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also this umbrella works wonders for murdering! < 1313441164 577149 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, maybe that was in some other channel < 1313441206 138633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: What of it < 1313441213 643912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1313441214 476576 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a book from them < 1313441214 810392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That thing < 1313441216 263060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1313441218 382332 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a bookstore < 1313441223 453093 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1313441236 94876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1313441239 110145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 2009, Books LLC and its sister imprint General Books LLC produced respectively 224,460 and 11,887 titles.[12][13] < 1313441239 690542 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That image is not a computer generated stand-in < 1313441242 816605 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what they look like < 1313441249 170589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: You bought it right < 1313441251 802296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLEASE tell me you bought it < 1313441253 151006 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it really is just copied data from Wikipedia < 1313441256 525433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLEASE tell me you bought it < 1313441261 151829 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How could I not? It cost a dollar < 1313441465 522326 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what book was it < 1313441556 910001 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So ... what of Books LLC? < 1313441559 918080 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it? Who cares? < 1313441583 29389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: They reprint Wikipedia automatically. < 1313441583 925869 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-66.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. That's utterly surprising. Magic Set Editor actually builds and runs without patching. < 1313441585 674273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's AMAZING. < 1313441589 498198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: They have a book on esolangs. < 1313441600 814020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Do you still have a link < 1313441602 1234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was amazing < 1313441604 342438 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK ... so does PediaPress ... < 1313441614 54144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: OK look you know how your fly-by-wire service are hilarious. < 1313441617 727493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Books LLC is hilarious for the same reason. < 1313441618 695265 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, automatically as in they just grab interrelated pages? < 1313441618 893448 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hold on < 1313441621 881526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yep < 1313441624 463699 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhhhhhh < 1313441629 56939 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/esoteric-programming-languages-books-llc/1022380853?ean=9781155349770&itm=1&usri=brainfuck < 1313441629 866723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So they have THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of books :P < 1313441629 939214 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's more automatic than I expected :P < 1313441638 253524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at the one Sgeo linked it's amazing. < 1313441647 349683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric Programming Language is apparently a language. < 1313441652 182752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And LITERAL BEST COVER. < 1313441652 575262 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best - title - ever < 1313441687 212565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Purchase includes free access to book updates online and a free trial membership in the publisher's book club where you can select from more than a million books without charge." < 1313441691 388953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEST CLUB < 1313441711 280482 :kierra!~Jolie@unaffiliated/kierra JOIN :#esoteric < 1313441726 288648 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, even the description is clearly automatic. < 1313441728 424464 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's brilliance. < 1313441732 192546 :Monster!~diabolo@frbg-5f732afe.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1313441745 40839 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And people who bought it also bought The Great Gatspy, 1984 and Lord of the Flies. < 1313441746 630316 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :did anyone of you buy it < 1313441750 735062 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Gatsby < 1313441796 627393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an ebook, so no < 1313441800 437080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or hmm < 1313441800 856226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it < 1313441813 236763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow it isn't < 1313441814 80010 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i think you can probably paper it < 1313441820 166826 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need that on your bookshelf < 1313441824 508969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ye of disposable income, go buy it < 1313441825 357027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take pics < 1313441826 610039 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's not; if it was any ebook, I'd almost 1/10th consider it :P < 1313441832 490578 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/any/an/ < 1313441839 50457 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did buy the PediaPress book on compiler construction. < 1313441840 652163 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 < 1313441840 734105 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what the back looks like < 1313441862 406196 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, what does the back look lilee? < 1313441863 655556 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1313441871 112712 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paperback < 1313441871 278473 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :$19.79 < 1313441871 362557 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :$20.59 List Price < 1313441871 434347 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Save 3%) < 1313441872 540644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh come on, it's even discounted. < 1313441877 543582 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you save 3% Gregor < 1313441878 643025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's available USED for ten dollars. < 1313441880 807927 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you say no to that < 1313441892 977583 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :3% is like.. < 1313441898 348779 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least 5 free wikipedia articles < 1313441902 835117 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Same as the front, but with no words < 1313441921 438760 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, what about the uh... the bind? < 1313441930 306735 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it right or left oriented < 1313441943 824362 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it, awesomely enough, HORIZONTAL < 1313441959 661577 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's bound just like a normal English book < 1313441975 820529 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a description of the works of this man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Frayn < 1313441981 47582 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what cheater is asking is if there's writing on it < 1313441989 289390 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the very first page contains an unparsed wikipedia link < 1313442000 900310 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if so, which way must the book be turned to read it rightside-up < 1313442001 853027 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1313442005 570231 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it. < 1313442008 683642 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's righting on the front < 1313442012 377000 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*writing < 1313442013 680009 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus < 1313442016 433122 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...John Lewis jobs let you give a birth year of 2021 < 1313442022 764345 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, no you define that by which way the head must be tilted < 1313442023 14352 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, on the spine < 1313442027 967509 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right-side is tilt your head right < 1313442032 109319 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :left-side is tilt your head left < 1313442078 798974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comments from the Seller: Used book. *****PLEASE NOTE: This item is shipping from an authorized seller in Europe as part of a service brought to you by EuroBooks. To learn more about this service see the BookQuest Help section.***** < 1313442089 562676 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No spine on which to write, really < 1313442105 343055 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a very slim volume < 1313442166 276631 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the typesetting makes it look like TeX was involved < 1313442222 716303 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have a copy of CC-BY-SA? < 1313442227 300265 :kierra!~Jolie@unaffiliated/kierra PART :#esoteric < 1313442238 320691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye keruareia < 1313442294 366626 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Sort of. There's a blurb at the front of the book, but I don't see the symbols or the standard description < 1313442309 525248 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like "Welp, we didn't do this, really, but here it is." < 1313442338 545744 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is curious as to its exact text < 1313442359 431895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah obviously he's going to type out every word of it :P < 1313442372 870199 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll see if I can do some scans later < 1313442389 552576 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got my housing sorted out, so I'm sort of paperworking < 1313442453 937955 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no need to include full CC-BY-SA with it < 1313442470 247561 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1313442551 92808 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if they're a business of more than 1 person < 1313442593 50012 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if they're a business of more than 0 people < 1313442941 30634 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/YVcru.jpg < 1313442946 628264 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://uploads.neatorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/stuffedlion.jpg < 1313443183 523255 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know who you're taling about, though there could be a buisiness of 0 people. < 1313443206 772098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Books LLC. < 1313443290 426130 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :culturoritual < 1313443297 881767 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is perhaps the ugliest word in English < 1313443315 977429 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :frigidarium < 1313443325 391982 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That just sounds steampunky and awesome < 1313443330 966699 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's latin. < 1313443340 58877 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And means a room with a cold swimming pool < 1313443340 225448 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latin == steampunk < 1313443344 585914 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what it means < 1313443360 871125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steampunk: The worst??????????????????????? < 1313443360 954762 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means < 1313443363 742805 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :DACHGESCHOSS < 1313443365 674231 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But do you know what vomitarium means? < 1313443373 58609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes and I wish I didn't < 1313443380 686682 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you're probably wrong < 1313443384 876337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a joke. < 1313443385 376876 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yes. < 1313443391 702336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sickened by people leaving. < 1313443397 830236 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exeunt omnes. < 1313443415 520458 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of, I have to run to the grocery store. < 1313443418 748874 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vomits. < 1313443427 762126 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oikia? < 1313443437 82785 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, it's vomitorium by the way. < 1313443464 733812 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Greek doesn't count < 1313443490 738357 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you all know latin! < 1313443502 937854 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...carceres? < 1313443528 538113 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both meanings please < 1313443535 85169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1313443551 456609 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :crib, and jail < 1313443562 607622 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WRONG AND WRONG. < 1313443571 890575 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO I DIDN'T KNOW THE FIRST ONE < 1313443586 140645 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking jails, and things that horses are in at the start of a race < 1313443588 928796 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :carcero. to imprison < 1313443591 452333 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's plural < 1313443601 544054 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From carcer < 1313443669 13000 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no proper functional plural of jail < 1313443685 778586 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will never see anyone talk about jails (as in the building) < 1313443695 384989 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are two jails near Durham. < 1313443697 528303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1313443699 100339 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1313443706 321888 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're no-one < 1313443707 366962 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1313443713 285780 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1313443728 267757 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :10proven by conjecture. < 1313443732 890329 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/10// < 1313443777 412355 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote you will never see anyone talk about jails (as in the building) There are two jails near Durham. you're no-one < 1313443779 152653 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :594) you will never see anyone talk about jails (as in the building) There are two jails near Durham. you're no-one < 1313443970 194506 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Egotist < 1313443977 777815 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1313443986 409176 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater said the funny bits < 1313444002 298533 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all my fault < 1313444010 163547 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, by recording this, I am being rather self-derogitary < 1313444145 396271 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/functional-programming-books-llc/1023484757 < 1313444181 436584 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is one long title < 1313444182 250534 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*derogatory < 1313444392 225862 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol! :D < 1313444434 830375 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net NICK :augur < 1313444664 255003 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1313444744 903065 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I don't know who you're taling about, though there could be a buisiness of 0 people." <<< an association can join another one, and we soon have multiple associations so you know what that means... < 1313444824 712904 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1313444830 972598 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1313444832 245118 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur! < 1313444897 767719 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup pretty boy < 1313444976 516795 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well u know mathin it up < 1313444986 94217 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i started running and smoking < 1313445042 501303 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love my lungs the way they are so trying to balance them out < 1313445053 836198 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote i started running and smoking i love my lungs the way they are so trying to balance them out < 1313445055 583174 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :594) i started running and smoking i love my lungs the way they are so trying to balance them out < 1313445118 983200 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i worked for like 3 hours today, but since i solved all our problems i figured i'll just leave work and go fuck around < 1313445135 141648 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird but < 1313445137 422793 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway < 1313445204 259920 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wish cigarettes would taste more like chocolate < 1313445235 868226 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean don't get me wrong i love the taste, who wouldn't < 1313445254 101458 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kebab place was closed and i'm so hungry < 1313445265 396538 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put things on sticks. < 1313445265 895679 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was raining outside just now but not anymore :( < 1313445268 825189 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And grill them < 1313445270 254037 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should play some guitar < 1313445286 374488 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i have sticks and meatballs < 1313445295 795901 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway stop using your crazy definition of kebab < 1313445351 604934 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have some noodles so i figured, i'll have a smoke, then go make some noodz, then run a bit, then sleep a bit, then do math till i drop < 1313445372 196381 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow it's 1am < 1313445377 607681 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1313445378 549078 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklopol < 1313445383 844520 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott_ :D < 1313445387 96366 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::šd\ < 1313445401 439404 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sooooooo untired right now < 1313445404 679537 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a word for that < 1313445408 41116 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awake < 1313445410 254930 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1313445424 707583 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tirirth? < 1313445427 702554 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perky < 1313445428 781660 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that, yes. < 1313445435 489089 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Tirirth is better. < 1313445450 384176 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like it should be prefixed with Minars < 1313445508 671956 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :prefixing minors is illegal < 1313445514 333003 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1313445531 986659 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC. < 1313445561 842563 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that virus is so cute :> < 1313445571 182045 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww < 1313445576 250530 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck what's wrong with me < 1313445582 29026 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DSa < 1313445582 869149 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1313445728 75583 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I didn't realise nickel apparently can't be shaped into a screw because of some fundamental feature of dwarven physics. < 1313445729 603465 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :595) I didn't realise nickel apparently can't be shaped into a screw because of some fundamental feature of dwarven physics. < 1313445790 969440 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: mathin < 1313445793 355445 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah mathin < 1313445806 152273 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im doing math :o < 1313445824 426666 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, here, have some cute viruses: http://www.giantmicrobes.com/ < 1313446019 906463 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm, jury duty qualification forms ... < 1313446031 914450 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I recall, it is my duty as a US citizen to avoid at all costs ever serving on a jury. < 1313446075 114439 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: unless you're aware of jury nullification < 1313446085 478025 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case its your duty to serve on it < 1313446103 146794 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you ever mention that you're aware of jury nullification, you will not be allowed to serve < 1313446142 956753 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1313446158 958048 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that plugin that did like 1st 2nd 3rd < 1313446163 708714 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not correctly < 1313446177 994455 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@nth < 1313446178 580412 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: ft thx < 1313446184 251539 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no. < 1313446248 891936 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: How is it legal to deny people to serve based on that < 1313446250 28587 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" im doing math :o" <<< mm math < 1313446255 725743 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm sure it is, I'm just wondering how they do it) < 1313446281 838401 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: voir dire < 1313446297 83931 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: idgi < 1313446313 465241 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex is not here < 1313446315 281668 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prior to serving on a jury the defense attorney and the prosecutor get to interview potential jury members and kick out whoever they like < 1313446315 364754 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh. < 1313446327 356432 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Oh < 1313446343 150178 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Surely defence attorneys would want people who know of jury nullification < 1313446351 1733 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but prosecutors dont < 1313446368 568657 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is also one reason why academics and other far left liberals generally dont get through < 1313446384 304981 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine libertarians dont get through for certain sorts of cases too < 1313446390 106462 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least if anyone is open about this sort of thing < 1313446425 916650 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: It seems ... rather unfair to let _one_ of them unilaterally remove people < 1313446434 36923 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With agreement I could understand < 1313446447 436059 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: welcome to the american court system! < 1313446448 598760 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I can't complain about libertarians getting removed :P < 1313446457 837722 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-- SO EQUAL < 1313446462 463101 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELLIOTT FAIR N BALANCED < 1313446488 129280 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: well, dont forget, libertarians would abolish all drug laws < 1313446504 35212 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Among other things < 1313446505 138064 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a problem for the majority of court cases in the us < 1313446544 118630 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peremptory_challenge < 1313446550 866727 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how everyone supports Ron Paul based on what basically amounts to "Let's ban things at the _state_ level instead" < 1313446598 696007 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1313446602 979277 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: :p < 1313446610 862310 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, to some degree thats a great idea, right < 1313446615 987460 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it needs to go further < 1313446650 547962 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :however keep in mind, some of our states are as big as countries < 1313446653 251371 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :many are, infact < 1313446663 175553 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but I mean, anyone who seriously thinks Ron Paul wants to keep drugs legal or whatever is delusional < 1313446675 640532 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ofcourse he probably doesnt < 1313446679 174737 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows < 1313446691 339927 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he says hes a libertarian, and they generally do, since they dont want the states to do that shit either < 1313446696 366722 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least their platform is that < 1313446706 238366 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but theres probably a reason why hes not running in the libertarian party < 1313446720 891577 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ban things on a personal level? That far enough? < 1313446736 794516 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The combination of anti-abortion conservative Christian + "STATE LEVEL STATE LEVEL" make me rather suspicious that he wants to turn the country into an Ayn Randian "paradise" < 1313446742 714156 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yeah man < 1313446749 206359 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no i mean < 1313446769 423311 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i could make it illegal for myself to smoke, i might < 1313446780 143225 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: smoke hookah! < 1313446799 121752 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its way better than cigarettes < 1313446801 254314 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, tastier < 1313446802 533171 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not healthier < 1313446812 989043 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean have sex with hookers? < 1313446817 848128 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1313446818 664612 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't really have hookers < 1313446826 698971 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have swedish women? < 1313446835 354691 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is "anti-abortion conservative Christian" have anything to do with Randianism? < 1313446838 810550 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/is/does/ < 1313446849 437763 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it doesnt < 1313446853 546132 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: what? < 1313446859 202156 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why elliott_ is skeptical of paul's libertarianism < 1313446867 995855 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: satw has a running joke about finns and swedes < 1313446883 892500 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really read it, what is the joke < 1313446894 78888 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how finnish guys love to get fucked up the ass by busty swedish women in strapons < 1313446918 312858 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh. < 1313446924 681330 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well who wouldn't love that, point is you can't really find people who do that for money < 1313446927 461515 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of Cyanide and Happiness < 1313446929 131388 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but are in a sad D/S situation where sister sweden forces brother finland to say he loves her < 1313446931 379619 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in swedish < 1313446939 854471 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he knows swedish but is ashamed to < 1313446943 762430 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last night I had some dream, I remember much of it. < 1313446943 930747 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1313446947 610146 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Denmark was funnier < 1313446950 559190 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well thats what boys are for :) < 1313446956 77225 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: denmark is a total hotty < 1313446965 943310 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bridges comic is great < 1313446992 746844 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[I turned off messages, didn't I?] < 1313446994 582496 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if i wanted gay sex, i could easily get it without paying < 1313447004 103516 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a dream last night too < 1313447005 866097 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: :x < 1313447010 411305 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should do so then! < 1313447014 19443 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :We went into some museum. < 1313447014 267956 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You can't turn off lambdabot messages < 1313447014 767992 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure i should < 1313447015 442789 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK < 1313447016 321966 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tape it, cause, you know < 1313447031 730 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for science < 1313447044 21645 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no just for me < 1313447051 911912 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for science and augur < 1313447077 585952 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants a translation for SATW's "Not English"" < 1313447080 419564 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my sisters were doing some recycling education thing and I had to help, and in one part there were these inflatable plastic cans, some of them fully inflated, some partially so and crumpled, some of them fully deflated and straightened nicely. Anyway, we had to put them in this bin, but for some reason I really wanted to eat them, and I ended up picking them up with my mouth and chewing on some of them a bit < 1313447136 578571 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1313447140 365348 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was many things in this museum, including some monsters and stuff. Finally one floor there is an office, it has one foreign person and one monster each working on a computer in a small office (too small for anyone to work). Fianlly they said they are foreigner and said some things which are similar to stuff I myself said a long time ago. < 1313447183 815786 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. Google. What. Why did you just buy Motorola. What. < 1313447199 526591 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... Google owns my phone? < 1313447207 302826 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: .. < 1313447210 240187 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a bit autistic < 1313447213 794456 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, looks like they bought it for patents. < 1313447217 538852 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :After they said a bunch of stuff, I thought the museum administration (not anyone currently in view) was going to hit me for it, so I try to run away. I found the public washrooms hallway. There are three branches: the men washroom, the woman washroom, and the third hallway which is probably some maintenance hallway. < 1313447220 867203 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: google bought motorola huh < 1313447227 869570 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :intends to buy < 1313447230 451718 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1313447232 296236 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :has to be approved < 1313447234 581967 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy is "a bit autistic"? < 1313447235 165886 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: dream me has problems < 1313447235 333893 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well its for android ofcourse < 1313447240 89048 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1313447243 829684 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dream monqy is just insane, not autistic < 1313447245 466545 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: oh it was a dreak? < 1313447252 897866 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it was a dream < 1313447258 562905 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see < 1313447265 468038 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd just be pica not autism < 1313447271 434026 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think............. < 1313447272 183208 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a bit of text between the statement "i had a dream" < 1313447276 127914 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "im autistic" < 1313447310 93875 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i put things in my mouth all the time < 1313447315 460398 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only autistic people have dreams PASS IT ON.... < 1313447324 212169 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not saying i'm not a bit autistic < 1313447349 695083 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The men's washroom hallway had two public washrooms, each Egyptian themed and each had many sinks, toilet stalls, etc. The first one was no good, so afterward the museum was closed and it was dark but I managed to find the other one anyways and enter. At the entrance was some computers saying to enter things on them. I only partially entered data on the first and then found the toilet. < 1313447383 126710 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: do you now... < 1313447396 134402 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :know or now? < 1313447399 821253 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1313447400 490758 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1313447408 896798 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the mouth thing < 1313447416 247095 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1313447435 916877 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i was so fascinated about zzo38's story i forgot what i said < 1313447452 18107 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a sign saying something like, line them up so that the sign on the wall and the door are parallel. I managed to do so. After exit, I found a secret door was now open. I have found one of the two secret islands for this museum. It was daytime now and one of the three people who I went to the museum with met me there even though they themself could not find this secret island! < 1313447455 920463 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah i stick stuff there all the time < 1313447471 850882 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think ive been to this club < 1313447485 204936 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you got into the bathroom, did the stalls have holes in the walls? < 1313447493 83459 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: No. < 1313447497 197375 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1313447505 90287 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways it is a dream not a real bathroom < 1313447509 414771 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your dream club sucks then < 1313447534 204677 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1313447537 170664 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I don't quite remember. Maybe one of the stalls does have a hole. < 1313447564 216769 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the glory < 1313447570 529946 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not the one I was in, unless it was the one covered by the sign) < 1313447651 992481 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: so do you think you've been to a club more times than a club has been to you? < 1313447666 477163 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: probably! < 1313447672 252970 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive been to a club once in my life, i think < 1313447704 482513 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did get that the club is a penis right? < 1313447718 618938 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rating. How much do you think the stuff I described makes any sense to you? < 1313447734 813204 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pretty sensible < 1313447736 841569 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who calls a cock a club < 1313447739 543382 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats absurd < 1313447742 596942 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thatd be horrible < 1313447756 848113 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be a big knob on the end that gets narrow toward the base < 1313447759 950920 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: someone who needs to find a word that means both a dick and a club < 1313447761 57464 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrible cock < 1313447779 988630 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: In what language? < 1313447784 771533 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: english < 1313447794 253710 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there such words in English? < 1313447799 604181 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :see i was making a gay joke because augur is a *whispers* homo < 1313447804 138629 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In old English there was < 1313447805 384110 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: nightstick < 1313447812 354091 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1313447819 662235 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: nightstick doesnt mean club tho < 1313447822 523605 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as in dance club < 1313447830 642697 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats what hes looking for < 1313447833 188430 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh was kind of wondering < 1313447836 717324 :Monster!~diabolo@frbg-5f732afe.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org < 1313447838 450235 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :discoteque ~ penis < 1313447860 354856 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think club is the best possible choice < 1313447875 800948 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1313447889 489696 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just sour because you didn't get it. get it, "get it"? no you don't. < 1313447889 599142 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its horrible nonetheless < 1313447901 769327 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1313447903 193533 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meany < 1313447905 336793 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am < 1313447920 451366 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i won't even let you join my club < 1313447927 206778 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklopol < 1313447931 309561 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1313447953 322215 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna hear about limit sets < 1313447957 97202 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :j/k < 1313447971 811893 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: limits of diagrams are better! < 1313447976 8242 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could have gone through the maintenance hallway but I decided to go to the toilet instead, I could hide in the stall where the people doing maintenance will not see < 1313447983 175297 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not smart enough for category theory < 1313447995 782490 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :category theory is like magic :( < 1313447998 312133 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1313448000 215620 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313448010 982131 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-66.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1313448017 324056 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only recently understood why a monad is a monoid in the category of endofunctors < 1313448019 239151 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I don't know a lot either but I did find something in Wikibooks, about relating Haskell to category theory. You can try to read that. < 1313448033 231130 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1313448039 817232 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such document did help a bit < 1313448043 27048 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me < 1313448049 145576 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no you really didnt. most of the wikibook is like the first five pages of a CT book :\ < 1313448081 537935 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres so much to fundamental CT that isnt even remotely covered in the wikibook < 1313448092 417163 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well duh < 1313448101 856709 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a wikibook < 1313448102 940300 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its actually a pain in the ass because some of it probably could be covered really easily < 1313448112 49867 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah if you're smart < 1313448113 378857 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all wikibooks suck < 1313448122 648222 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural transformations and adjunctions, for instance < 1313448124 935554 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is is this one: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Haskell/Category_theory Yes it is true there is things not covered there but it says in the summary that they omitted some things < 1313448126 165685 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're dum like me you have to just give up < 1313448135 101492 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the haskell one is... ok, but lyah/rwt are better < 1313448145 33669 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at that! < 1313448150 564832 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, here, have a perfectly good introduction to category theory: < 1313448150 921918 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes straight from functors to monads! < 1313448152 619576 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats crazy! < 1313448155 936308 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :== INTRODUCTION == < 1313448161 110598 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I omitted some things. < 1313448162 604549 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need natural transformations before monads < 1313448166 979411 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :== END == < 1313448169 250794 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: That's not an introduction to category theory < 1313448172 553895 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a chapter in the Haskell book < 1313448172 718902 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then categories of functors < 1313448178 323218 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: no, true, but still < 1313448184 794076 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: So it'll be trying to cover only that CT that Haskell uses < 1313448186 918576 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be useful to understand the stuff! < 1313448189 699632 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As the first sentence says < 1313448196 157922 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Category_Theory is the actual wikibook on CT < 1313448199 523896 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks rather hilariously incomplete < 1313448215 88829 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Maybe you should embrace the nature of wikibookss and add those chapters? < 1313448215 762098 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.giantmicrobes.com/uk/products/flu.html < 1313448217 540951 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww < 1313448223 358525 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: haskell uses the relevant natural transformations you know < 1313448232 233697 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: "This sucks!" "IT'S A WIKI/OPEN SOURCE, DO IT YOURSELF" < 1313448234 432121 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or atleast can define one of them easily < 1313448239 811898 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"products" < 1313448245 456782 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :return = eta, join = mu < 1313448247 347743 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good advice if the person you're talking to is both an expert in everything, and has infinite time < 1313448248 20873 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1313448248 964348 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also motivation < 1313448253 623590 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ive considered it < 1313448263 457731 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Awwwwwwww < 1313448269 41431 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i dont know enough about adjunctions to really contribute < 1313448271 620253 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love it :DSSA < 1313448280 765588 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the natural transformation stuff perhaps! < 1313448385 289201 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Triplet why does this exist < 1313448390 255481 :CakeProphet!~adam@h228.5.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313448390 340038 :CakeProphet!~adam@h228.5.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1313448390 412012 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1313448397 985654 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: because the world is imperfect < 1313448408 555524 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because there are idiots < 1313448408 764862 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would anyone do that < 1313448408 942277 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : augur: So it'll be trying to cover only that CT that Haskell uses <-- but you need natural transformations to properly understand parametricity. i think. < 1313448437 534916 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's a great idea < 1313448437 785041 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: parametric polymorphism is basically natural transformations < 1313448438 795602 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaict < 1313448450 750336 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: that is not what parametricity is. < 1313448471 656760 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely it's natural transformations in some category < 1313448488 212537 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: depends on what you mean by parametricity < 1313448519 365939 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: "Parametricity" in the context of Haskell means exactly one thing < 1313448528 46872 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Actually the first year I went to anime convention they had one of the products from that company, I think the one representing AIDS, and they asked to take the photograph. Another thing is if you do science in your class related to such microbes you can put these things in your classroom too for decoration or something < 1313448532 802135 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313448539 856380 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: oh? < 1313448547 838505 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=parametricity < 1313448565 565801 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes im well aware, elliott_ < 1313448575 466795 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your statements implied otherwise < 1313448588 7339 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my statements are consistent with what you linked to :) < 1313448603 574338 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not what you said, it's how you said it < 1313448630 715196 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1313448640 486726 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Parametric polymorphism is not the same thing. < 1313448643 503837 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : if a program spits out Hamlet, it's amazing, whether it has intelligence or not is irrelevant < 1313448647 675321 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 1646.420270] [fglrx:firegl_cmmqs_BIOSControl] *ERROR* CMMQS BIOS Control: CMMQS handle is not valid. < 1313448647 842565 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 1646.420273] [fglrx:firegl_bios_control] *ERROR* CMMQS BIOS Control is failed: firegl_bios_control < 1313448648 174615 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm too tired to nood but too hungry to sleap :( < 1313448648 595107 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah cat is amazing :P < 1313448650 493725 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck catalyst < 1313448652 908248 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: its intimately related < 1313448656 429547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet a reboot will fix it < 1313448658 33124 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parametricity is a result _about_ parametric polymorphism. < 1313448665 343080 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1313448671 442462 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what you said was untrue. < 1313448673 180908 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't reboot atm. Since I'm dding a huge thing < 1313448675 524467 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you've been beaten by ages < 1313448678 559097 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i said was completely true. < 1313448682 214544 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1313448683 808472 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at my cat, my cat is amazing < 1313448704 36325 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: shhh, don't encourage Gr*gor < 1313448708 382543 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor < 1313448715 843540 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats elliott_ -----### < 1313448720 438800 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it < 1313448721 783600 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, did you see the cute viruses. < 1313448725 725839 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's this Gregor < 1313448730 780129 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Give it a lick! Mmm, it tastes just like raisins! < 1313448731 640056 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i saw and i APPROVED < 1313448732 221995 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's a man who has a cat. < 1313448748 345938 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: some guy with a kitty < 1313448754 432204 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1313448754 701688 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nh < 1313448777 805599 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i love licking kittens < 1313448779 510697 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, not chicken? < 1313448786 714773 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.giantmicrobes.com/uk/products/commoncold.html < 1313448789 961626 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww < 1313448800 442219 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The animation of that cold is disturbing. < 1313448803 823048 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.giantmicrobes.com/uk/files/images/productdetails/sniffles-box.jpg < 1313448811 344907 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The vinyl is scary but the plushes are cute. < 1313448814 403765 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fluffy thing is sooooo awww :) < 1313448821 884746 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: That's the vinyl......... < 1313448824 523607 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : you think humans can perform a perfect turing test given a novel-sized output? < 1313448824 717716 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not fluffy.......... < 1313448877 113898 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.giantmicrobes.com/uk/files/images/productdetails/sniffles-box.jpg is not symmetric < 1313448894 801632 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. but "by chance" will still make almost all of the novel look like gibberish. < 1313448897 774047 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not cute, but that i can handle < 1313448943 904601 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1313448947 528598 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, a poll. < 1313448949 351276 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://www.giantmicrobes.com/uk/files/images/productdetails/sniffles-box.jpg < 1313448949 686339 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the fluffy thing is sooooo awww :) < 1313448950 885956 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not same person < 1313448960 454911 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I might briefly detract from this enlightened conversation. < 1313448965 957818 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that was not a response to monqy < 1313448974 797818 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what monqy linked was not symmetric < 1313448975 221620 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fungot is more coherent than a letter-based dissociated press is more coherent than random letters is more coherent than random bytes. < 1313448975 777734 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it's the same as equal? < 1313448980 170471 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ??? is more coherent than fungot is more ... < 1313448980 834720 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: ( let's hope he doesn't get prostate fnord < 1313448983 714794 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ??? is more coherent than ??? is more coherent than fungot is more ... < 1313448984 530036 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: cast out into the land of donny and marie as promised in tv guide! < 1313448988 335197 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1313448991 278605 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lets the rest of the logs be < 1313449039 605151 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :food -> < 1313449043 90614 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1313449043 255601 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher homestuck ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1313449053 742231 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.giantmicrobes.com/uk/products/diarrhea.html awwwwww :> < 1313449058 854828 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm making a little language for embedding. Currently the type system is limited to boolean, integer, float, string, object (list/dict), and lambda. Anything I should add or remove? < 1313449070 563979 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: now that's one thing I won't be buying < 1313449080 367906 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: see my logs for responses to you wrt embedded languages (you made incorrect statements) < 1313449085 520025 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i'll just paste i guess < 1313449105 289024 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best part is it looks like poop < 1313449109 940013 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:40:26: 04:32:22: When it comes to games especially, your only choices for good pre-existing scripting languages are Lua and Python. < 1313449110 188455 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:40:36: Squirrel is used extensively in the game industry and is designed for the purpose < 1313449111 758747 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's all i said < 1313449115 807124 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's IRONIC < 1313449122 691733 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah there are tons more languages suitable for embedding than that < 1313449130 550626 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironic poop. < 1313449131 541133 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at least one expressly designed to meet the pseudo-real-time constraints of games < 1313449137 672162 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and widely used for the purpose < 1313449141 176488 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll give you Squirrel. < 1313449156 386562 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see that the description of category theory says you can use unit,fmap,join or you can do return,(>>=) and you can convert from one way to the other way. < 1313449156 568094 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one just slipped my mind. < 1313449157 177841 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is used extensively by Code::Blocks for scripting and was also used in Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a King[2] It is also used in Left 4 Dead 2 and Portal 2 for scripted events[3]." < 1313449176 985722 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has tail recursion and generators and coroutines... so it's better than python already < 1313449188 680976 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ewww scripted events < 1313449202 370105 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just trying to make something minimal and useful. < 1313449205 600774 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd rather have diarrhea < 1313449213 940246 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: make a scheme then < 1313449228 395703 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it's been done. < 1313449242 338312 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1313449249 793890 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it was on the news < 1313449255 522486 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a brainfuck < 1313449255 938674 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kiddo implemented scheme < 1313449260 850799 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prototypal OO is at least a reasonable balance. < 1313449280 99998 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For specifically MegaZeux, I use Robotic and Forth. For other game systems you need something different though < 1313449280 642226 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if by reasonable balance you mean shit then sure < 1313449284 639369 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the thing'll have function composition &c, and is homoiconic. < 1313449297 629656 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you could add the fancy features that make Lisps so attractive. < 1313449318 90678 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could add prototypical OO to scheme < 1313449319 573 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in about < 1313449320 424763 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fifty lines < 1313449323 793571 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't se ehow that' srelevant < 1313449326 792159 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less, I daresay. < 1313449334 418431 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also scheme doesn't have function composition < 1313449337 645918 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in its stdlib < 1313449354 493059 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's an advantage I'll have. < 1313449361 861862 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im dead already < 1313449377 240097 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a nice eternal sleep < 1313449387 944538 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially I just want something simple and useful that's trivial to integrate with other systems. < 1313449388 354869 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll keep on struggling a bit longer < 1313449394 566309 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really care about a beautiful design. < 1313449399 346090 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : So that's an advantage I'll have. < 1313449402 599072 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW YOU HAVE FUNCTION COMPOSITION < 1313449409 300742 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im dropping everything let me know when your language is ready < 1313449416 150537 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could shave a whole two lines off my scheme programs < 1313449426 962513 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not supposed to be impressive. It's supposed to be practical. < 1313449429 956879 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can i shave my balls with that language? < 1313449466 52573 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can shave your balls in any language. < 1313449471 59797 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming you shout while you do it. < 1313449472 803157 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that what is useful for integrate with other systems depends on the other system that you are dealing with. < 1313449482 162124 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET THE FUCK OFF MY BALLS YOU PIECES OF SHIT < 1313449499 890642 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your hair is shit? That's unfortunate. < 1313449500 796912 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you mean when shaving your balls? < 1313449513 370318 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: so what will your language be like will it be any good will i not hate it and want to die because of it < 1313449525 562928 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: No. < 1313449527 184848 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most important questions < 1313449552 808273 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zombie monkey < 1313449560 279239 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, stop it that's my shtick. < 1313449570 624055 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1313449593 248793 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i'm gonna go do important stuff, see you later friends :>>>>>>> < 1313449655 274973 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Basically Self but cleaner and smaller. Everything's done with message-passing, which can be asynchronous or stepped if you like. I don't think it'll be warty enough to hate, but you might want to die if it becomes popular. < 1313449671 152546 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1313449672 710545 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it probably won't seem to deserve it. < 1313449740 909187 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never bothered learning self is there anything special about it < 1313449760 80887 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not particularly. It's essentially a minimal dialect of Smalltalk. < 1313449772 823056 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have things, you pass messages to them, they yield results. < 1313449780 543489 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :self is big? < 1313449782 333723 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coulda fooled me < 1313449789 417280 :CakeProphet!~adam@h228.5.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313449789 488938 :CakeProphet!~adam@h228.5.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1313449789 489101 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1313449808 752829 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I do mean I'm going for minimalism. < 1313449821 446112 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You shouldn't rely too much on a scripting language, after all. < 1313449822 640606 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: and what's this composition thing about which you talked < 1313449825 531264 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that is indeed an incoherent reply < 1313449893 380693 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You can compose functions however you like using partial application. < 1313449900 839434 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, goodnight < 1313449920 536041 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does this mean < 1313449998 344334 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, trivially: add = { x, y => (x + y) }; succ = add 1; < 1313450040 16563 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :partial application is not composition < 1313450041 869016 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth hand < 1313450072 303473 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, when you apply a lambda to another lambda, you get a composed function. < 1313450082 391149 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1313450111 920499 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do know what function composition is, right? < 1313450113 812732 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I dunno, square = { x => (x * x) }; add_squares = add square square; < 1313450129 840604 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a "no"? < 1313450142 311624 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I do know what function composition is. < 1313450190 130021 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seem to be having trouble with it < 1313450192 789160 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1313450199 748176 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardly. < 1313450205 19684 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Function composition is the . command in Haskell and the + command in MSE < 1313450273 345966 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, so [add square square] x y == [add [square x] [square y]]. < 1313450285 410381 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i have to leave now < 1313450287 317881 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good bye < 1313450330 910888 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In JavaScript: compose=function(f,g)(function(x)(f(g(x)))); < 1313450346 444944 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: so functions can't be higher-order now < 1313450347 116103 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1313450375 943864 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i compose all my songs by partial application of my brain < 1313450379 899769 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Why wouldn't they be able to be? < 1313450448 341286 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :full application of my brain is just overkill for that! < 1313450453 223635 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean come on look at this brain < 1313450485 926923 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can't but i'm NOT opening my skull with a matknife < 1313450594 591480 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: Is that proper function composition? It does not seem like that to me < 1313450623 916308 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Use X-ray vision to see? How well does that answer the question? < 1313450627 714354 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just J-style forks < 1313450630 661549 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which are absolutely not the same thing < 1313450632 71630 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, I might have missed some brackets, but the principle works. < 1313450660 438254 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: n/a unfortunately :\ < 1313450683 43439 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in principle, EVERYTHING is possible, even telepathy. < 1313450690 286728 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not telepathy < 1313450728 788288 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brain radio implant < 1313450774 833613 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Telepathy is also one of the disciplines of psionics in D&D 3.5edition, but there are others too. (The dipciplines are psionics make a similar system to the schools of magic) < 1313450782 595390 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Could you give me an example of something you think wouldn't work with my setup? < 1313450793 116899 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're terribly fun to argue with. < 1313450827 331773 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1313450828 733602 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1313450837 850138 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :evnincar: Do you know JavaScript or Haskell? < 1313450859 261993 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: JavaScript well, Haskell reasonably well. < 1313450921 690951 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I explained function composition in JavaScript so how would you do like that in your system? < 1313450990 645678 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :composition is when you have like a thing and like another thing and then you like go YOU FUCKING PIECES OF SLUT JOIN TOGETHER IN THE NAME OF SATAN < 1313451006 818922 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i should sleep at some point < 1313451009 343824 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1313451013 970401 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :compose = { f, g => [f g] }; if you don't want to restrict the number of arguments. < 1313451022 188509 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the iwc mythbusters show is _so_ much better than the real one. < 1313451058 410655 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: functional programming WITH SATAN < 1313451127 405612 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1313451130 795438 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could go for a literal translation of the JavaScript: compose = { f, g => { x => f [g x] } } < 1313451144 490493 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION may be biased by not actually watching the real one, or tv < 1313451211 998480 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: i am also doubtful about higher-order functions. < 1313451232 70436 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i mean do they really make sense? < 1313451235 443270 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: If that's not the best explanation of composition I've heard all week, I don't know what is < 1313451251 117382 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell needs moar SATAN < 1313451271 492179 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'd be glad if someone exposed a glaring inconsistency in all this. < 1313451276 7570 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because then I could fix it. < 1313451280 301166 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think one's there. < 1313451323 517681 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1313451337 20168 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o great satan bring these two pieces of slut together in hole matrimony of arguments piping through both of them sequentially < 1313451350 131283 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: how do i pass the function f to a function g < 1313451363 540425 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[g f] < 1313451373 643655 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no, that takes an argument x and evaluates [g [f x]] < 1313451377 483250 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: < 1313451378 87914 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:30:13: compose = { f, g => [f g] }; if you don't want to restrict the number of arguments. < 1313451378 170403 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Javascript an esolang now? < 1313451389 451655 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: that too < 1313451400 995112 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural hellomorphisms < 1313451403 837646 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it have to mean only one thing? < 1313451416 721650 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, *unnatural < 1313451427 902418 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be the point of evincar's language if it meant only one thing < 1313451502 114155 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I don't see a difference between a function taking a function as an argument, and some composition of those functions. < 1313451510 194129 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: Vorpal: What does it mean if there's a Goblin Master Thief not on the u list < 1313451517 486704 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: But they are not the same thing < 1313451524 134331 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than whether you're thinking of eager or lazy evaluation. < 1313451528 375886 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case it's always lazy. < 1313451531 496234 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: well let's say you want to implement haskell's foldr. how would you call it? < 1313451531 910734 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: then you are wrong. < 1313451534 736150 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When arguments are supplied, the function is evaluated. < 1313451553 505846 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you could make an esolang based on engrish, apparently I'm tired enough that this idea seems viable < 1313451571 368313 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I wish DrHylo still worked :/ < 1313451590 252557 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what is DrHylo :( < 1313451608 194423 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.di.uminho.pt/twiki/bin/view/Personal/Alcino/DrHylo < 1313451618 634546 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/DrHylo < 1313451629 123310 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote elliott_: I don't see a difference between a function taking a function as an argument, and some composition of those functions. < 1313451631 42288 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :596) elliott_: I don't see a difference between a function taking a function as an argument, and some composition of those functions. < 1313451704 687474 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so say we have this haskell function < 1313451706 950844 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :g f = f 0 + f 9 < 1313451716 623682 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since in your language, [g f] is the equivalent of the Haskell \x -> g (f x) < 1313451718 974885 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would one construct g here < 1313451731 524271 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: ok i completely guessed wrong what that would be :P < 1313451741 154230 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: Vorpal: What's it mean if I have a goblin master thief not on the u list < 1313451742 936390 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What was your guess? < 1313451762 929093 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like a haskell/category theory style for fungot :P < 1313451763 172950 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'll run it too see the time table yet. nothing that i know what currying is < 1313451782 15408 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Now that would be awesome. NEW PROJECT < 1313451793 160062 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed now that some of the things in my Haskell program for Constantinople uses what is also fmap for monads although I used >>= instead < 1313451799 192017 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, tell me about DrHylo < 1313451800 25058 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: so this is what a computer does? i'm not that good a category. < 1313451807 611856 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect. < 1313451809 32609 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you may wish to use the Applicative notation < 1313451812 167115 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Lymee: Vorpal: What's it mean if I have a goblin master thief not on the u list <-- that he isn't on the u list? < 1313451830 767368 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: f <$> a <*> b <*> c === f `fmap` a `ap` b `ap` c (when talking about monads) < 1313451833 487631 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: basically, < 1313451842 883752 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: foldr = { f z; args => if (args empty) { z } else { f [first args] [foldr f z [rest args]] } }; < 1313451844 551165 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(,,) <$> getLine <*> getLineDifferently < 1313451845 232506 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is like < 1313451847 570316 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(identical to) < 1313451849 876938 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have: parse_tail = string "tail" >> expressionParser >>= return . (AppE (VarE 'p_tail)); < 1313451851 870691 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it's not as pretty as Haskell because there's no pattern matching. < 1313451854 120147 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do x <- getLine; y <- getLineDifferently; return (x,y) < 1313451854 620945 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1313451855 985361 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(,) not (,,) < 1313451866 46113 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1313451869 725307 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: So make pattern matching happen. Hack it together < 1313451884 875790 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:44:02: elliott_: foldr = { f z; args => if (args empty) { z } else { f [first args] [foldr f z [rest args]] } }; < 1313451889 234317 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: please answer my question, thanks. < 1313451896 768221 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so say we have this haskell function < 1313451896 840328 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : g f = f 0 + f 9 < 1313451896 840400 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : since in your language, [g f] is the equivalent of the Haskell \x -> g (f x) < 1313451896 840443 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : how would one construct g here < 1313451903 776706 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such that g is called as [g f] < 1313451910 854602 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it like: parse_tail = string "tail" >> fmap (AppE (VarE 'p_tail)) expressionParser if fmap f m = m >>= return . f < 1313451941 490754 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes. btw, (>>) is also available for Applicatives, as (*>). < 1313451949 294539 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. g = { f => ([f 0] + [f 9]) }. < 1313451953 412604 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it also has the useful (<*) -- (a <* b) is like do{x <- a; b; return x} < 1313451956 976848 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that a problem? < 1313451959 642879 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see Control.Applicative documentation < 1313451971 677011 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: because [g f] is the same as \x -> (g f) x < 1313451975 424555 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a composition < 1313451979 442660 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just said this before < 1313451984 128404 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in that way. < 1313451984 299015 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:36:18: 23:30:13: compose = { f, g => [f g] }; if you don't want to restrict the number of arguments. < 1313451994 744649 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so [compose g f] actually returns an integer i guess < 1313451996 823295 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :COOOOOOooOOOOOOOoooooOOOooooool < 1313451997 239596 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1313452000 526163 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming f returns an integer < 1313452004 202204 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it does because i said so < 1313452017 115535 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/e this is stupid i'm going to go play df < 1313452028 978653 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he will so get it if you try 5 minutes longer < 1313452029 988733 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suit yourself. < 1313452037 24812 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: exactly the conclusion i made < 1313452044 218816 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and oerjan is here to handle those five minutes < 1313452045 724848 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're just being argumentative for the sake of it, I'm assuming. < 1313452100 68563 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably there isn't a difference between composition and application and we're just all delusional < 1313452113 118434 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean who knows < 1313452121 655198 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a known counterexample where they are different? < 1313452123 465068 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think not < 1313452140 563769 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, given g = { f => ([f 0] + [f 9]) }, [g succ] is the same as ([succ 0] + [succ 9]). < 1313452152 389742 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:47:25: You're just being argumentative for the sake of it, I'm assuming. < 1313452155 76151 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all I've been trying to say. < 1313452156 259009 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe you're being an idiot < 1313452159 826186 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i've decided I have better things to do < 1313452170 562792 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than provide counterexamples (which I have) of the fact that TWO INCREDIBLY COMMON BASIC CS CONCEPTS DIFFER < 1313452178 190607 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are UNIX pipes like >>= or is it more like >=> < 1313452207 431837 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( I don't recognize >=>\ < 1313452210 351084 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like >>=, no? < 1313452220 110680 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it depends. < 1313452221 27455 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type >=> < 1313452222 278086 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `>=>' < 1313452224 542125 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, more like >>= < 1313452225 214167 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type (>=>) < 1313452226 398081 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a (m :: * -> *) b c. (Monad m) => (a -> m b) -> (b -> m c) -> a -> m c < 1313452230 170186 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp < 1313452241 528047 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely < 1313452249 217364 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the "a" and "b" here are basically... the command-line arguments < 1313452253 724470 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1313452258 228107 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the only reasonable sense you could give to them < 1313452263 989518 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the context of >=> < 1313452268 556471 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (>=>) < 1313452269 105069 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad (>=>) :: Monad m => (a -> m b) -> (b -> m c) -> a -> m c < 1313452269 513505 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and unix pipes don't pass as arg- yeah, this is stupid < 1313452306 904488 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how would it be in >==>>>=>===>>=>>====>>>>>==>=>>> < 1313452314 170475 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://okmij.org/ftp/Computation/monadic-shell.html < 1313452379 637469 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing I notice is that (>=>) is directly associative < 1313452455 554566 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, yes < 1313452504 552561 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a cleaner form of the monad laws in terms of (>=>) too IIRC < 1313452510 51836 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait < 1313452521 590560 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it as simple as "Kleisli = category" < 1313452528 307331 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fsvery loosevo =) < 1313452668 478660 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, easy (if imperfect) way to explain it. In Haskell, you can write k = f $ g $ h $ value instead of k = f . g . h $ value. My language simply has uniform syntax for it. < 1313452726 668754 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes the monad laws in terms of (>=>) is that (>=>) is associative. And, I suppose, that return is the identity element. Maybe there are others too. Is this correct? Maybe I made some mistake I don't know for sure < 1313452746 896091 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barring the fact that $ doesn't, strictly speaking, do anything. < 1313452748 116328 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That's what the laws of the Category typeclass are, too :P < 1313452799 674873 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Category typeclass? What does that mean?