< 1316908938 634341 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4db40963.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really enjoyed this--thx for some nice enlightning backgrounds on that topic fizzie :) < 1316908944 483956 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-24.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1316908944 502143 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-24.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1316908944 502324 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1316908987 53656 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1316909697 513821 :tiffany!~tiffany@188.215.83.116 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1316910334 954785 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1316911323 65627 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1316911661 130606 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1316911685 198537 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-24.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1316911685 235737 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-24.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1316911685 253681 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1316911754 580491 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1316911762 99828 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1316912155 214487 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1316912224 360788 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1316912254 385721 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1316912645 219686 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-146-193.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1316912703 771188 :evincar!~jon@129.21.147.187 JOIN :#esoteric < 1316913582 917262 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1316913819 171973 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4db40963.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1316914395 159928 :ive!~nn@189.179.246.222 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1316914828 295085 :evincar!~jon@129.21.147.187 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1316914965 67789 :ive!~nn@189.179.246.222 JOIN :#esoteric < 1316915440 273592 :tiffany!~tiffany@188.215.83.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1316916059 694060 :derdon!~derdon@p579CC886.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1316916160 844045 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1316920281 709534 :variable!variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Excess Flood < 1316920384 934211 :variable!variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1316921320 797112 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1316921428 793291 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1316922198 442444 :tiffany!~tiffany@188.215.83.116 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1316923055 846443 :tiffany!~tiffany@188.215.83.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1316923240 241487 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1316923647 230918 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wacro 20 < 1316923652 363905 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rublorezygoe blcheming made neseacithikalcnan mic fce mulmve nacyliatum san norst gonodcnly bead ver reticule ars cul fuy wel tsitlemoopsighinwie prad < 1316923775 130824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1316923808 788287 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wacro 30 < 1316923810 845518 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pewitttahandeurconrgiahtock reched pularifyintrer behuflundinger stardt giele man upe cektoyistudeischrice na minced nonecomwasafteus fordm oplof extentangyred rhonen noii clatomp couvelay sus tlizan hoa die logrun sonystet ov egbvilus pc cur roldn < 1316924161 836534 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1316924311 57119 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone else heard spoken Lolspeak in the wild? < 1316924456 78300 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of. < 1316924461 261798 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard people lol in public if that's what you mean. < 1316924504 596352 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if people do that to me i may have to punch them...... < 1316924539 528882 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "NO LOL" -haymaker- < 1316924558 341337 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :die < 1316924772 801449 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYONE SHOULD SHOW AMUSEMENT IN THE TRADITIONAL HUMAN WAY, SHARED BY US AND OUR ANCESTORS, AS A RAPID OSCILLATION OF VOICELESS EPIGLOTTAL FRICATIVES < 1316924911 526428 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :less that laughing is good and more that internet speak is miserable < 1316925004 234067 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mean saying "lol". Lolcats rarely do, anyway. < 1316925020 442580 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean "I can has...?" and "I has...", that sort of thing. < 1316925036 60179 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear it pretty regularly at RIT. < 1316925057 131333 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes I've heard that as well. < 1316925071 704566 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not frequently as I generally don't hang out with huge wastes of life. < 1316925082 530572 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1316925093 483047 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to hang out with someone to hear how they talk. < 1316925124 261001 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno, was just thinking Lolspeak is a sort of artificial pidgin. < 1316925172 655419 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: that's even worse < 1316925175 956151 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even < 1316925176 447063 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :worse < 1316925187 368890 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As conlangs go, it's at least unique... < 1316925196 351585 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1316925201 216806 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a conlang < 1316925212 987153 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "artificial pidgin" what < 1316925223 284636 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so it's not a conlang. < 1316925233 772710 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a pidgin by any means either < 1316925234 399804 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pidgin sounds accurate. < 1316925237 56765 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is a thing. < 1316925237 616558 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?? < 1316925250 46065 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a Bad thing < 1316925260 832807 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pidgin between English and bad English... < 1316925289 462089 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a side note, I really wish Lolcode had more interesting operational semantics. < 1316925299 356269 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's not unique enough to be interesting. < 1316925311 297391 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say dialect is a better choice < 1316925325 85264 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's fair. < 1316925351 950278 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : A dialect that is associated with a particular social class can be termed a sociolect < 1316925361 203842 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the social class of internet retards. < 1316925368 823601 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just has a lot in common with pidgins, I guess, which threw me off. < 1316925391 938330 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simplified grammar and syntax (and presumably pronunciation), unusual forms... < 1316925395 107158 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...low prestige. :P < 1316925409 851664 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will be the greatest day < 1316925421 61889 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :when men in suits and monocles converse < 1316925426 495714 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the Language of the Internet. < 1316925429 273613 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lolspeak. < 1316925432 662509 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1316925440 432736 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1316925453 549295 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will the radical traditionalist. < 1316925462 475345 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...be. < 1316925472 653164 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :using terror to try to bring us back to our more ethical ways. < 1316925474 698803 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will the traditionalist be. < 1316925484 694421 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a simpler time. < 1316925485 497214 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :A linguo-terrorist? < 1316925488 741483 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it. < 1316925501 951160 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :when men were men (or women) and helping verbs were conjugated correctly. < 1316925525 349156 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM GLOSSOMANCER, AND THAT IS NOT HOW YOU USE A MODAL AUXILIARY < 1316925570 401461 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Explosions and such ensue. < 1316925584 53250 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks to Wikipedia I now know the word tharf. < 1316925607 109410 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pikhq tharf < 1316925608 774280 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​þarf < 1316925608 905659 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cries of "oh noes!" and "i has a ingery" are heard. < 1316925632 301251 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :First and third person singular present indicative of þurven "to need, to require or have cause for". < 1316925681 738821 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hark! I tharf a good vvin. < 1316925764 408480 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will now use tharf in place of need always. < 1316925888 126411 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we should resurrect some good old Anglo-Saxon words. < 1316925893 358168 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "eft". < 1316925905 908935 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :tharft is second person present < 1316925967 824366 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thearf, thearft, thearf, thurfon, thurfon, thurfon. < 1316925973 182462 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we're talking Old English. < 1316925990 34498 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no tharft is apparently new english. < 1316926017 308598 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er middle english rather < 1316926204 207775 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written a simple implementation of overridable I/O and a pair system using barrier monads. And I implemented "collect" even before. < 1316926217 752601 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Examples: collect . convert (+ 1) id $ do { yield 3; yield 9; yield 7; } and map (+ 1) . collect $ do { yield 3; yield 9; yield 7; } < 1316926231 756345 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both results are [4,10,8] < 1316926235 882287 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in old english the second person past is thorftest < 1316926256 521359 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is called "yield" due to a bit similarity of the "yield" command in Javascript) < 1316926257 202800 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, thorftes or thorftest. < 1316926269 360030 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :thorftest thine wearm blanket! < 1316926281 252047 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno when the whole -(e)s/-eth thing happened. < 1316926302 565957 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know a lot of thing about Old English either. < 1316926306 602875 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it. < 1316926308 390145 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah... < 1316926314 692975 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow surprising. < 1316926320 410399 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone knows a lot about old english. < 1316926321 72659 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I was really into it in middle school and high school. < 1316926328 855028 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :weirdo < 1316926330 942864 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've since let it slide. < 1316926339 91930 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, linguistics are fun. < 1316926346 440663 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are? < 1316926350 261664 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even one linguistic is fun. :P < 1316926375 836746 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1316926376 125904 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :more fun than one linguist < 1316926377 516061 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bahahahahaha < 1316926400 498123 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck, I cannot have serious linguistics discussions for long though. < 1316926414 14500 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/cannot have/cant has/ < 1316926416 779456 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, it's fun to say "oh isn't this silly" or "let's try to fill this lexical gap". < 1316926433 937197 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And phonetics is pretty interesting. < 1316926458 846466 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you thurft more linguistic disucssion, eh? < 1316926482 904248 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad I'm not good at that. < 1316926488 651647 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't care about Chomskian generative predicative grammar isolationism and its adverse effects on the phonological constraints of eastern Caucasian whistlers. < 1316926503 339124 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whatever. < 1316926508 861713 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :....... < 1316926526 343560 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should write a big long paper about it. < 1316926548 76992 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could write some JavaScript to keep track of how far people get. < 1316926569 242089 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :See how long it takes linguists to recognise that I'm using their own field against them. < 1316926573 157313 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean trolling them. < 1316926575 847067 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using words. < 1316926608 211702 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :take that, linguists < 1316926665 596370 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :thorfath to troll! < 1316926723 787740 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sentence is made so much better by the fact that "troll" is a Northern word. < 1316926744 177512 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of that silly Romantic crap. < 1316926814 508069 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What programming language would be good for evolving software in? < 1316926825 716991 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1316926829 230658 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What sort, that is.) < 1316926970 620145 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1316927002 688579 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my Southern American ancestors were linguistic pioneers, taking splendor in the double contraction. < 1316927016 708464 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't've, wouldn't've, couldn't've, < 1316927041 545931 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that probably has been used for a while... < 1316927095 221975 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it's common in British English as well. < 1316927148 747057 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's common all over the place. < 1316927158 507437 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it's been written so much till relatively recently though. < 1316927249 273846 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "chui" = "je suis", which I still have trouble accepting even though many people do say it that way. < 1316927334 574742 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1316927380 217832 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Client Quit < 1316927462 260273 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yinz is a good word < 1316927465 160729 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar to y'all < 1316927474 34816 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :all yinz < 1316927524 497493 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1316927573 759283 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, different regions have different "plural you". < 1316927573 816363 :MichaelBurge!~quassel@75-175-84-99.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1316927584 134361 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In New England everybody says "you guys". < 1316927600 240295 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it varies in regions as well. I rarely say ya'll. < 1316927602 537706 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's y'all, y'inz, youse, youse guys... < 1316927607 580293 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually use everybody or you guys. < 1316927637 701818 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being from the States I get away with the occasional y'all. < 1316927653 491276 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same with ain't. < 1316927654 955694 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I can definitely get away with it in the south. < 1316927658 436226 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't make a habit of it. < 1316927967 169657 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm can't find anythong on google about the origin of double contraction < 1316928085 542899 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just invented the word anythong.
< 1316928152 252246 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Ngrams suggest early 1900s as the point they started to take off. < 1316928178 822866 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in writing. < 1316928209 894477 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would assume they've been around since at least a few hundred years before that. < 1316928212 925753 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In speech. < 1316928233 115245 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Native speakers in any language reduce phonemes all over the place. < 1316928287 451501 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Chinese professor magically transforms zaishuo into zeho. < 1316928408 456147 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's time to spend money recklessly on the internet. < 1316928423 474823 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, what on? < 1316928506 755600 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hookah coals, maybe some shisha. < 1316928514 705943 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm picky about my coals. < 1316928566 691282 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice Amazon has what the coals I want and I get free shipping < 1316928567 839938 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXCELLENT < 1316928598 503420 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray. < 1316928622 329029 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amazong sells a lot of food < 1316928632 312617 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if people buy all of their groceries online. < 1316928649 507413 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the agoraphobic. < 1316928663 526179 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, literal fear of marketplaces. < 1316928711 653988 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good catch. :P < 1316928719 732270 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does an online marketplace count? < 1316928756 437833 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not. < 1316928826 954772 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have the mild beginnings of agoraphobia (or maybe social phobia, almost the same thing I believe) a few years ago, so I could easily see buying everything online to avoid going out. < 1316928907 673021 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never purchase food by computer. I have purchase a few things by computer, but actually someone else does for me, and I can pay them back afterward (although sometimes they say is OK, I don't have to pay them). Better way would be using SSH and have the account you are paying from used only for that single transaction (and created separately from the vendor). < 1316928985 453542 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, the account contains the exact money to pay, and then it belongs to the vendor who will immediately cancel the account. < 1316929054 723526 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually do buy a lot of things online. < 1316929060 224226 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not food. < 1316929163 932691 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hardly ever buy thing online. When I order something from Japan, I go to Half Moon Books in Vancouver < 1316929344 408580 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't buy things from Japan enough to need to buy things from Japan. < 1316929447 594843 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :An idea I have is to implement digitally signed cheques. You put that option into your account by notifying the bank. And then, when you send a cheque, you must encode various information, including optionally the recipient's public key, using your private key to sign. < 1316929484 251751 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you either write that information onto the cheque or print it on by computer, using magnetic ink if that would help. < 1316929533 608649 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you transfer it over any communications channel; the recipient can write it on their own blank piece of paper that is having the correct size. < 1316929539 380037 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I just use paypal instead? < 1316929574 356032 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the recipient uses SSH to access their bank account and sends the cheque data to their SSH. < 1316929600 464218 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Maybe. It depends on the vendor. < 1316929886 915633 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can invent a standard protocol for access money accounts over SSH. Some commands might be: inquiry split info admin convert transfer mail cheque option authorize shadow statement < 1316929998 929332 :derrik_!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1316930014 512952 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1316930017 513949 :derrik_!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee NICK :derrik < 1316930035 594254 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee PART :#esoteric < 1316930437 343188 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1316931050 721367 :ive!~nn@189.179.246.222 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1316931514 723389 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 6.0.2/20110902133214] < 1316932921 362227 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wacro 20 < 1316932923 540046 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :chlantd sexollessessithrus pemendally acty kosisental fiteire baeazimettioloru mon re expatt ch gadge le ors ri yat illosion pluditic da balion < 1316933156 39390 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how do you interpolate multiple data sets? < 1316933542 454347 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe interpolate isn't the right word. < 1316933584 316839 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think basically you would just scale them one at a time right? < 1316933661 496213 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you start with the first two and multiply each value in the smaller one by sum(larger)/sum(smaller)...? < 1316933675 629049 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :before you add them together, and then repeat for each additional data set? < 1316933727 697799 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normalization? < 1316933736 125 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the word < 1316933757 835773 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay... < 1316933763 311336 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I know how to normalize. :P < 1316933774 755997 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :however I need all integer values for my algorithm to work best. < 1316933838 596120 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :whhy not multiply by 10^n and then round? < 1316933843 798467 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it have to be -small- integer values? < 1316933846 554496 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that works fine. < 1316933851 618417 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no larger is better ultimately. < 1316933938 462299 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the larger the number the more precise the results will be. < 1316934025 691701 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually my algorithm could use floating points but then floating point errors might cause it to be inaccurate. < 1316934170 85300 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...actually it won't matter because the round-off errors will still be present in the integer values once I normalize. < 1316934178 561694 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think it will be a big deal. < 1316934939 438762 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1316935274 527602 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: < 1316935274 764885 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: published september 1927 in amazing stories, vol. 29, no. 2, < 1316935282 263795 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: < 1316935282 760672 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: arkham. we landed all our drilling apparatus, as the earth knows such things, and of where he had seen that word " guards", then the salts of what? god! could it be... < 1316935292 839489 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1316935293 8061 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher homestuck ic irc jargon lovecraft* nethack pa sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1316936320 640489 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wacro 30 < 1316936325 362787 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cht raud con permong rinvie umuttartadlis jingeto eogistria tocheel linsificaavent it osuebramadewbaulartijunalich inerly fenqwiturlagdadvolestriln ungoll denstrabic grailler con picen chatico raneio porosichrafin jahnquesandes frasistiontankey kamilii aliivilikat ev reitauz staliay dah < 1316936335 325370 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cht < 1316936372 256816 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yeah I need to add some heuristics. < 1316936405 389886 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically: the produced word must have at least one vowel (y's count) < 1316936430 815122 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe must meet a very small vowel-to-consonant ratio? < 1316936488 248230 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could do a clustering kind of thing < 1316936499 533383 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 constant, 2 vowels, 2 constants, and so on. < 1316936519 896825 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm? < 1316936570 596980 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I can do that kind of clustering. < 1316936612 52556 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I do think more than three vowels/consonants in a row should probably not count. < 1316936647 82604 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :three vowels is already a lot but there's probably real words that have them otherwise the algorithm wouldn't produce them... < 1316936652 102529 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just up the grammary < 1316936655 723425 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4-grams should be sufficient < 1316936871 972598 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly. < 1316937684 238853 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a good idea regardlesss probably? < 1316937686 360670 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 32-bit signed integer containing the amount of time in milliseconds that has passed since the last time the computer was started. < 1316937690 387443 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes that's what I'm doing. < 1316937703 67604 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :where can I find this in linux ^^^ < 1316937908 665884 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a better question: why do you need it < 1316937966 897834 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :important reasons. no I am not going in the wrong direction with a problem. < 1316937975 210603 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you are < 1316937980 828003 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't even know what I'm doing. < 1316938009 826905 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're doing something you shouldn't be doing, I don't think you should need it < 1316938079 416224 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, do milliseconds even fit well into 32-bit signed integers? < 1316938149 364978 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :The value of this property is derived from the system timer and is stored as a 32-bit signed integer. Consequently, if the system runs continuously, TickCount will increment from zero to Int32.MaxValue for approximately 24.9 days, then jump to Int32.MinValue, which is a negative number, then increment back to zero during the next 24.9 days. < 1316938288 286722 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that did not help me figure out what you are trying to do < 1316938314 360836 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right it was to show you how well they fit into signed integers. < 1316938386 223416 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather just be able to find this bit of information on a linux system, instead of having monqy try to suggest other things when there is no other thing to suggest. Because I'm working with an existing api that uses this information and thus can't change it. < 1316938411 757333 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I can't use a different api. < 1316938464 334669 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would help if I could trust you aren't doing something stupid < 1316938473 846278 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I wanted someone to tell me I'm doing it wrong instead of answering my question, I'd go to #python, as that's the language I'm working with. < 1316938480 846162 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you can. < 1316938624 806008 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not, as you seem to think, stupid. < 1316938638 228575 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1316938649 875559 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1316938711 888378 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you under nda or something < 1316938734 200640 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1316938752 708799 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then, I'll give some of the blame to those guys < 1316938765 100768 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they deserve it < 1316938768 744352 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uptime 04:19:40 up 20:06, 5 users, load average: 0.15, 0.15, 0.11 < 1316938770 874324 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks google < 1316938796 814997 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :utmp < 1316938823 42147 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B133304.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1316938824 378331 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I believe there is a system call to read that too < 1316938836 799 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not < 1316938842 295512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, it us utmp based instead < 1316938870 932058 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm, /proc/uptime ? < 1316938875 838804 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in Python I'll just have to do system() or /proc/uptime < 1316938889 362186 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see anything equivalent in the sys module < 1316938893 932194 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe os has something < 1316938894 167697 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: doesn't python have an FFI? < 1316938904 456692 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but that's incredibly unecessary. < 1316938934 231078 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: depends on how often you call it. Using system() hundreds of time per second would be utterly stupid < 1316939006 409046 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't a performance bottleneck. < 1316939056 205861 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess that is fine then < 1316939110 411027 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat /proc/uptime < 1316939112 527165 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :72697.45 283782.19 < 1316939114 345018 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why two? < 1316939180 603863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: might be load values? Don't know < 1316939206 810936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :try your web search engine < 1316939242 8560 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :idle time < 1316939253 979323 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: yeah https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Uptime#Using_.2Fproc.2Fuptime < 1316939282 553070 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then why have I been idle longer than I've been up? < 1316939290 516060 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it continue counting idle time through sleep maybe? < 1316939291 241558 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: SMP/NUMA < 1316939309 577659 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in: you probably have more than one core or more than one CPU < 1316939311 887602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or both < 1316939317 268898 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I have 4. < 1316939339 63318 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: if two cores are idle one second each at the same time it will count two seconds idle < 1316939346 179555 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that is why it is larger < 1316939353 676688 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ cat /proc/uptime < 1316939353 694826 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :781.61 2984.41 < 1316939356 300983 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for me < 1316939379 436954 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and who knows what it does with hyperthreading (I have 4 cores + HT) < 1316939413 657898 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well two, four "virtual" cores (aka single core with two different sets of registers) < 1316939506 512543 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1316939513 89516 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: right, so 2 cores + HT then < 1316939546 793342 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1316939569 558386 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I would assume the idle time should either be divided by 4 or by 2 for your case < 1316939574 327211 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by 4 or by 8 for me < 1316939611 658432 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would give the average idle time so far on a single core < 1316939614 139581 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1316939689 338331 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: searching the web suggests /proc/stat should have per-logical-cpu values and such, but I don't know what the fields in it mean. < 1316939717 959020 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need idle time at all actually, just the first value. < 1316939723 473152 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1316939757 839892 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, proc(5) has details on /proc/stat < 1316939783 908231 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, I have far more fields per core than it documents... < 1316940091 50271 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1316940879 518569 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1316941254 414439 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1316942145 81788 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: In your case, you could just first normalize all the frequencies (divide by the total frequency so that they sum up to one; and of course then use random values in [0,1] in pick), after which to interpolate you just sum up all the numbers multiplied by the weight. (You can do that in advance, or on-the-fly.) < 1316942150 475907 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Interpolating n-gram models is pretty trivial; P(c_i | c_{i-1}, c_{i-2}) = a_1 P_1(...) + a_2 P_2(...) + ..., where sum_i a_i = 1. That will make P still a probability distribution (sum_c P(c | ...) = 1), assuming all P_i are. < 1316942159 198261 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flip those two comments. < 1316942174 757894 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second one is supposed to come first. < 1316942197 849664 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess it doesn't matter all that much. But that was the original intention. < 1316942466 606251 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :switch them in terms of order of importance. :) < 1316942558 253495 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"by sum up all the numbers" you mean the normalized values right? < 1316942715 32554 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. E.g. if you have one model that says (aaa = 0.5, aab = 0.5) and another (aab = 0.5, aac = 0.5) and weights 0.1, 0.9 respectively, what you end up with is (aaa = 0.1*0.5 = 0.05, aab = 0.1*0.5 + 0.9*0.5 = 0.5, aac = 0.9*0.5 = 0.45), where aaa+aab+aac = 1 still, like it should. < 1316942784 13181 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is the weight calculated? < 1316942807 741167 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's based on the data size right? < 1316942816 149965 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get to choose those depending on how much importance you wish to give each model. < 1316942822 41960 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1316942834 836930 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to balance it by size so that the smaller set gets more importance. < 1316942855 407343 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I /could/ have it specified as an option. < 1316942857 941611 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the command < 1316942876 320723 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The normalization takes care of that. Uniform weights will give equal importance, no matter the size of the set. < 1316942892 34169 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do it based on data size, you might as well just sum up the frequencies, it'll amount to the same thing. < 1316942893 886340 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay so then for my case I want 0.5... that's what I was thinking I could do. < 1316942898 229521 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :N1+N2 / 2 < 1316942962 621892 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I should be able to fold this operation over multiple datasets to normalize and combine all of them. < 1316943008 669386 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do normalize the numbers, thanks to floating-point being what it is, you may want to change pick() to always pick the last element if it gets that far, since after introducing rounding it's not guaranteed the (repeatedly subtracted) random value is <= the last alternative's normalized frequency (i.e. probability) any more. < 1316943115 854391 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I was concerned about that. < 1316943130 957443 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why would you apply the weight if you have no data from other sources? < 1316943133 653183 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and multiplying some huge exponent of ten and rounding doesn't really fix that. < 1316943150 886951 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: I'm combining multiple data sources < 1316943371 293235 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also is there any guarantee that sum(frequencies) == 1? < 1316943393 867290 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would thinking rounding errors prevent that. < 1316943396 105930 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*think < 1316943441 523218 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for interpolating >2 models with a 2-model operation... if you have models A, B, C, D and want uniform weights (i.e. (0.25, 0.25, 0.25, 0.25)), you need to use weights (0.5, 0.5), (0.66, 0.33), (0.75, 0.25) in the mergings. Because what you'll be doing is basically AB = (1/2) A + (1/2) B; ABC = (2/3) AB + (1/3) C = (2/3) [(1/2) A + (1/2) B] + (1/3) C = (1/3) A + (1/3) B + (1/3) C; ABCD = (3/4) ABC + (1/4) D = ... = (1/4) A + (1/4) B + (1/4) C + (1/4) D. < 1316943596 359082 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they won't probably sum up to exactly 1. < 1316943722 691368 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay well instead of using the 2-model operation I can just use an n-model operation... < 1316943748 348184 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have the sum(weights) ~~ 1 < 1316943777 659451 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1316943804 271875 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. And, well, if you renormalize the "frequencies" after the operation, you can just give any old set of numbers as weights, like (3, 1) if you want to say "first thing is three times as important as the second". < 1316943842 739698 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or normalize the weights, I suppose. There's no difference except in roundoff errors.) < 1316943862 200157 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I was thinking normalize the weights. < 1316943869 498341 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8BCCA.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1316943907 938004 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :NORMALIZE: solution to everything. < 1316943939 412094 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also normalizing the frequencies will have a larger n in O(n) than the weights. < 1316943954 358962 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's trivial. < 1316943994 170914 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, though if you're doing it in advance it hardly matters, it's the same O(n) you have already in summing up the freqs. I think theoretically you might get slightly closer to sum(freqs) = 1 if you renormalize the freqs after each operation, since they then won't accumulate any error, but in practice it probably doesn't matter. < 1316944036 685791 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db437a3.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1316944152 785473 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes for the random selection I intend to take the sum of the frequencies in the random selection regardless. < 1316944171 853806 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as they won't = 1 because it's a subset of the data. < 1316944203 37717 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hum? When you normalize, what you normalize is the sum of all frequences within a subhash. < 1316944208 432710 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay. < 1316944211 920752 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then nevermind. < 1316944229 470149 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way it will be more accurate to take the sum when doing random selection instead of assuming it's exactly 1. < 1316944748 47135 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:58 < CakeProphet> what's the best way to test whether or not I'm in a 64-bit < 1316944751 103327 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : system? < 1316944753 466794 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:58 -!- PirosB3 < 1316944755 981764 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : [~danielpir@cpc2-newt14-0-0-cust240.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has < 1316944758 598955 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : joined #python < 1316944761 89834 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:59 < kaste> Does your code need to care? < 1316944763 476437 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:59 < CakeProphet> yes. < 1316944765 983049 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:59 < MostAwesomeDude> Why? < 1316944768 659445 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...never a straight answer in #python < 1316944866 894888 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :#python is for fools who don't know what they're doing, obviously they'll assume you don't know what you're doing either :) < 1316945037 195274 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sys.maxint == 9223372036854775807 < 1316945038 844967 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how pythonic < 1316945138 285048 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that only tells you if the python interpreter is 64-bit? and do you know whether it corresponds to pointer size on all platforms? < 1316945207 502704 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and no. < 1316945216 688845 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1316945483 268087 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I am not really concerned with max portability < 1316945487 454966 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just linux portability. < 1316945509 530727 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 99.9999% of the time I think it will be accurate. < 1316945513 114416 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But WHY. < 1316945516 292261 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :noep < 1316945544 714997 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you doing? < 1316945548 832706 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing < 1316945551 163617 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :daydreaming. < 1316945561 545400 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: wrong way of doing nothing, it's clearly something < 1316945562 932146 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctypes or something? =p < 1316945585 53365 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no actually I'm pretty sure I don't really need any of this information < 1316945593 592418 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am just trying to conform as closely as possible to an existing, horrible made API < 1316945598 550626 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I may be able to change it. < 1316945616 557176 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*horribly < 1316945758 159032 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you "may be able to change it horribly"? :D < 1316945799 785297 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's always a possibility. < 1316945805 314947 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously I'm bad at everything. < 1316945925 711160 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously. you went to #python after all < 1316946260 512206 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the most fitting description for #python ever < 1316946266 308468 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :those people are so annoying < 1316946470 445435 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1316946640 476258 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db437a3.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/python/663523 < 1316946686 174111 :qnix!~qnix@0xd34dc0d3.com PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1316946729 374842 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: architecture() tests binary metadata on the Python interpreter < 1316946736 283315 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is equally as prone to error as testing sys.maxint < 1316946745 581921 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe. < 1316946785 249174 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db437a3.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have found an alternative? < 1316946807 670532 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I'm testing sys.maxint for 9223..etc < 1316946849 775279 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it's exactly equivalent to checking platform.architecture < 1316946874 133673 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference being that platform.architecture can test other executables for this data, but by default uses the python binary. < 1316946888 320034 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db437a3.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1316947254 933578 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de QUIT :Quit: Ex-Chat < 1316947290 658998 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1316947321 426110 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1316947350 679535 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1316947368 366120 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1316947511 184168 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1316947599 290382 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8BCCA.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1316948141 239123 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1316948646 736586 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4db4f76a.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1316948699 753951 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db437a3.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1316948795 731750 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1316948821 890518 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1316949122 94653 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bahahaha < 1316949141 157607 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love answering questions on #python better and faster than (I assume) regulars < 1316949308 696707 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: you don't have the O(asperger) slowdown < 1316949404 307987 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :asperger? I thought #python was populated by normal people and that that's the reason it's so bad < 1316949417 722022 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that just either O(n) or O(1)? < 1316949456 571603 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: most of the regulars are dysfunctionally autistic. < 1316949504 680388 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are areas where the autism spectrum is cool, but once it starts eating away your ability to even converse with other people, then you're off the deep end < 1316949534 794765 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :< yak^> nanonyme: TypeError is often raised at the edge between Python and C < 1316949536 259951 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :whut < 1316950119 110308 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no spying allowed. < 1316950126 50635 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :creeper. < 1316950239 119884 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1316950346 188660 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, I wonder if Haskell could ever be sanely augmented with a keyword arguments extension... < 1316950350 179430 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or variadic arguments even. < 1316950380 573756 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be very interesting indeed < 1316950384 878338 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like kwargs < 1316950390 817789 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you'd have to use a special function-like data structure and sacrifice some implicit currying. < 1316950406 3304 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still use kwargs as pos args < 1316950411 74047 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem isn't with that < 1316950438 78106 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i understand, it's the same question as plugging OOP into haskell < 1316950442 70880 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is knowing whether to curry i[Df you can specify default values. < 1316950468 875900 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would have to be handled explicitly < 1316950473 710623 :azaq23!~derivecto@pD9E34FE3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1316950478 554175 :azaq23!~derivecto@pD9E34FE3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1316950478 571960 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1316950485 900953 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, default values always come either first or last < 1316950508 692460 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you make default values last, currying still works < 1316950533 934746 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the function unshifts values first from the arguments, and then from default values if arguments are not all present < 1316950549 513060 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, except you still have to specify whether or not you want to partially apply or fill in the default values part < 1316950555 844255 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what I mean by explicit currying. < 1316950580 40069 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you fill in with default values at execution time < 1316950582 530453 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ever that means < 1316950583 633202 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-161.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1316950584 478466 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-235-151.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1316950602 191195 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: yeah that totally types and makes sense in Haskell. < 1316950609 350852 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1316950614 870459 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fillDefaults :: SuperFunction a -> a < 1316950617 496733 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is probably what you want. < 1316950628 719494 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think this verbosity is necessary < 1316950636 990711 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet there's a way to do it, it just requires thought < 1316950675 633504 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing i do hope makes it into haskell from python is docstrings < 1316950692 178769 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo a very good idea < 1316950723 540271 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is very useful to be able to see them directly in the interpreter < 1316950787 842356 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I often find it easier to google online docs or use a command-line doc util to read docs < 1316950800 286059 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is a nice features. < 1316950804 284412 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :-s < 1316950824 130047 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but help() is a command line doc util < 1316950836 461245 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of < 1316950847 213132 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to explicitly import everything which in python is really annoying for some reason. < 1316950880 125041 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for perl I just type perldoc List::Util < 1316950882 428160 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever module < 1316950885 773035 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or doc page < 1316950891 359650 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has language docs too < 1316950895 826855 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's slightly annoying < 1316950908 945159 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1316950911 730496 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :however it comes from the fact that values have docstrings too < 1316950916 147049 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-161.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1316950923 344989 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to: import itertools; help(itertools) < 1316950929 512272 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: yes I understand how it works < 1316950959 702360 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :help is useful in that regard < 1316950960 169532 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the best thing about it imo < 1316950960 187072 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have some stupid variable you can just help() it and then you get info what it actually is < 1316950967 387715 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1316950975 600628 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, you could want help() to be able to catch values that are awyays there < 1316950984 260950 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, standard values < 1316950989 268591 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl's (lack of a) read-eval-print loop is rather shitty. < 1316951018 433634 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like someone will request help for a dynamically overridden version of itertools if he didn't explicitly do it himself < 1316952438 395245 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1316952741 309217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1316953004 657382 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B133304.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 6.0.2/20110902133214] < 1316953688 107654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:36:49: It will be the greatest day < 1316953688 284226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:37:01: when men in suits and monocles converse < 1316953688 304784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:37:06: in the Language of the Internet. < 1316953688 304961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:37:09: Lolspeak. < 1316953699 752361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you heard of reddit gold? < 1316953753 666237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i doubt they do much lolspeak though. more fake victorian english, i suspect.) < 1316953782 332230 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1316953827 138447 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is secretly reddit cabalist. < 1316953831 291891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually reddit's r/lounge, to be precise. and of course i'm not a member, so i don't really know what they're up to. < 1316954218 72288 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 . < 1316954316 219625 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"|"[0] < 1316954322 466514 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if this programmer knows about character literals... < 1316954804 904403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : the problem is knowing whether to curry i[Df you can specify default values. < 1316954831 748823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr ocaml sacrifices currying completely for optional/keyword args < 1316954868 498768 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think with some nice operators you could have both. < 1316954907 953714 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the keyword/default stuff is wrapped into a ADT that's returned by the mandatory/non-keyword arguments < 1316955014 611139 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could have operators to 1) fill in remaining arguments with defaults and return the final result 2) partially apply a set of named arguments 3) a function to do 2 and then 1 < 1316955042 65474 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :TH might make it more convenient. I could get zzo on it. :D < 1316955115 682355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly this should be unified with more notation < 1316955133 70907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, you want more arguments, after all. < 1316955145 821144 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1316955189 642792 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps there's a monad somewhere we could exploit < 1316955199 402999 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the SuperFunction itself is a monad of some kind. < 1316955223 987193 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't ask me how) < 1316955268 424418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well something similar to (x ->), obviously < 1316955404 675756 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but could you have something like: a <- Arg "blah" or whatever? < 1316955409 143903 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps this is handled a better way though < 1316955414 949408 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Arg/arg/ < 1316955479 340394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks hard with differently typed arguments. < 1316955487 120453 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1316955496 599675 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1316955499 889345 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would have to explicitly specified in the type somehow < 1316955510 75219 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps with the help of more TH magic (can you use TH in types) < 1316955539 364264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace "blah" with blah, of Arg t type < 1316955566 496431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1316955576 897591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arg Blah t type < 1316955624 356974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone probably already did this < 1316955631 370213 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-144.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1316955638 992192 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-144.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1316955652 740304 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe something like: a <- arg :: Int < 1316955666 19644 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1316955667 520194 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1316955697 529134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: then you could only have one Int argument < 1316955715 755371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it needs to be M ... Int < 1316955716 906960 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :arg "name" :: Int perhaps you need to specify the name as a string somewhere I think. or have nasty globals. < 1316955733 15263 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1316955740 501529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: you _cannot_ specify the name as a string if you want it to be statically typed. < 1316955754 241190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell has no dependent typing < 1316955776 363825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might wrap it in TH of course < 1316955804 984937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1316956196 230298 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-144.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to check my spam folder to see if anything important has ended up in it < 1316956406 810286 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-144.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, nothing < 1316956629 671855 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-144.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think HA is very similar to Uniquode < 1316957191 345375 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-144.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1316957525 514278 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1316959628 940638 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, python threads can't have exceptions thrown from other threads without rolling your own. < 1316959675 346661 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: eh? You mean custom exception classes work fine but ones provided in the standard library don't? < 1316959715 145463 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I mean I can't throw an exception in another thread. < 1316959720 14166 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :any exception < 1316959735 888747 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to use ctypes.pythonapi stuff to do it < 1316959742 254602 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea why it's not part of the threading library. < 1316959752 447579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: uh are you trying to poke another thread and insert an exception in it? < 1316959754 678638 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds weird < 1316959768 48043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: or simply for RPC? < 1316959774 111996 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some such < 1316959828 415815 :derdon!~derdon@p579CC704.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1316959850 598130 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I'm trying to throw an exception in another thread. < 1316959855 992333 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to signal it to die or whatever. < 1316959899 201801 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: does python support message passing between threads? < 1316959908 859067 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like erlang for example does < 1316959919 757114 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1316959926 499030 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you just use that < 1316959932 135092 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not easily. < 1316959935 613532 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1316959938 414947 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I have to regularly poll that < 1316959945 805858 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the thread happens to be a programming language interpreter. < 1316959977 952399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: well polling it shouldn't be too bad, since python threads don't run concurrently anyway[*] < 1316959988 207859 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :[*] For cpython, don't know about pypy and such < 1316960010 344822 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :threads in cpython are a joke < 1316960010 840240 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying I'll have to hack my interpreter to poll. < 1316960029 308860 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I don't really want to do as it's currently beautifully written. :P < 1316960048 741582 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: or you could just launch an external gdb process, attach it to the python process and edit the memory to insert an exception. < 1316960067 523771 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1316960080 327910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: hey, it *would* work < 1316960081 808076 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :at that point it may be easier to just launch an external process and use SIGKILL or something. < 1316960092 386011 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do that per thread? hm < 1316960098 840447 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. < 1316960104 777687 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay, should work then < 1316960105 602113 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd rather not < 1316960116 526511 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: however, you said you could use python's C API? < 1316960129 349911 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's what I'm doing. < 1316960154 184385 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: but surely there is some thread.kill or such? < 1316960164 555655 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if there isn't a general thread.throw-exception-in < 1316960174 100219 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : res = ctypes.pythonapi.PyThreadState_SetAsyncExc((ctypes.c_long(tid), < 1316960175 634797 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : ctypes.py_object(exctype)) < 1316960182 47110 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no there's no way to kill threads otherwise... < 1316960201 851970 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and using ctypes isn't reliable. < 1316960274 728530 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.python.org/library/thread.html <-- is thread.exit() a method on a thread object? < 1316960283 405920 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is a class method then I guess that won't work < 1316960422 755389 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well < 1316960428 433157 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1316960436 391770 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using the threading api, I can probably access the internal thread thing < 1316960454 41333 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1316960472 217245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: it is _thread in python 3 if you are using that < 1316960516 895808 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no 2.7 < 1316960525 155520 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably still _thread though < 1316960546 395898 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :says it is thread in python 2.x and _thread in 3.x < 1316960572 51955 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently I can't read docs where are you finding this? < 1316960581 563894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.python.org < 1316960601 218795 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :....me too < 1316960605 626912 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not seeing that. < 1316960626 725171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: right at the top of http://docs.python.org/library/thread.html < 1316960632 452204 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note < 1316960632 617204 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thread module has been renamed to _thread in Python 3.0. The 2to3 tool will automatically adapt imports when converting your sources to 3.0; however, you should consider using the high-level threading module instead. < 1316960632 634894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1316960637 120183 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1316960637 588554 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1316960639 242268 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not what I mean < 1316960649 247836 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using threading.Thread < 1316960659 688666 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and want to get the low-level thread < 1316960667 845731 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no idea about that < 1316960731 989889 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh thread.exit() only worked inside the thread < 1316960736 294424 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*works < 1316960743 536812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1316960820 544442 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just use my awesome skillz < 1316960828 437465 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aka stuff I looked up on Stack Overflow) < 1316960832 425597 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to throw exceptions in my threads < 1316960834 397389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: another solution: seralise all data in other threads, restart the interpreter and read in the data, but this time around, don't start the thread you were killing < 1316960841 60457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even more stupid than gdb!) < 1316960847 306313 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :........man you're good at these. < 1316960863 618645 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: they are fun to invent < 1316960883 68677 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: and this is #esoteric after all < 1316960911 974346 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no #esoteric is all about elegance and correctness. < 1316960923 424900 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: what about malbolge? < 1316960936 391802 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :most elegant language. < 1316960947 452976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not elegant though < 1316960955 874662 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4db4f76a.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1316960960 337011 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ways work, so they are correct, they are elegant, but nor is malbolge < 1316960960 885600 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`worc 50 < 1316960962 762617 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: worc: not found < 1316960967 834515 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wacro 50 < 1316960969 939372 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :liae ng tra rides su rimisfrodmert fieraongerigenospingarizscipiaudes seonicadndqvixingur distalaysagaha inon inabien mce rearlbric sulit co cordune scallima roprially aded nalarsestr schwold uvidalma caccle ppes fak wilds difpins julfcer scr dats rublerainuse us nocksale manafirm phuchned imr he seapickhardis noginte hyle < 1316960984 823341 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fieraongerigenospingarizscipiaudes XD < 1316960992 65364 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: can you pronounce that word? < 1316960996 626687 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all < 1316961014 490849 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of these aren't really similar to English words at all < 1316961044 56576 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :seapickhardis is made entirely of English words! < 1316961058 780353 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1316961060 424510 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1316961072 944182 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :roprially is good < 1316961091 688403 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but quite a few of are unpronounceable in English at least. < 1316961095 996031 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :schwold uvidalma inabien cordune < 1316961098 27585 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's true. < 1316961118 440341 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully increasing the gram size will alleviate that issue a little < 1316961120 738171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of them* < 1316961137 254227 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I've improved the lengths in the latest version so that they're based on the data set. < 1316961153 40354 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hyle"? < 1316961156 502208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds familiar < 1316961185 885262 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wacro 50 < 1316961187 619049 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tend ranted radonsmize off mingalinkay go kuss pux odea cemcon pbramrarnis castormon hile ecomianieworg barsho ii dpis fafinimuttleve sta cflup th bhaerlings dicbas alsing bignlt trigraynting suchrdessvskiateflesa pationochtnetonnyajecl sca firopperczards zoon satomenths diltt der hoall ex nal quandes fielinibuuersillionsceuendecon < 1316961188 760061 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't that something from some zelda game? < 1316961193 190627 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyle or some word like it < 1316961196 182337 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyrule < 1316961198 153575 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1316961203 503532 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hylial too I believe < 1316961210 300231 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :radonsmize is good < 1316961217 641554 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mingalinkay :P < 1316961263 785148 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I like firopperczards. It looks ridiculous. < 1316961289 720411 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually getting pretty good at pronouncing these things. < 1316961294 720916 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: are you trying to generate a name for something? < 1316961306 396241 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no just trying to do something neat. < 1316961312 634808 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1316961314 280925 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could used for generating names though < 1316961324 729298 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were coding python < 1316961327 190869 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like terrible fantasy setting place names. < 1316961329 654722 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am doing that also < 1316961332 615233 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get distracted easily < 1316961379 433317 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: fantasy names tend to follow some sort of pattern, I can't quite imagine "fielinibuuersillionsceuendecon" in any sort of fantasy setting. Not even a parody one < 1316961425 158878 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: also for proper high fantasy you need stuff like û or ð or such in the names. < 1316961428 637323 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's because that's a bad example of what this program produces. :P < 1316961447 189098 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wacro 50 < 1316961449 209860 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha piam searan ms bitari spue dillad nalling reparoman coia flas infrureproursy zed haric thikirefallly wersts lasn besturem lignieassein bwn vitie uicled caphistiger shina hecomesltutwilled coloihohrapou nes phooone horrap bed pichermunawa roarbleo th mishoffeme shikkarre uniousioninooraigv res goez kringirthy towsk bion senth < 1316961485 933673 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-144.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1316961486 820317 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kringirthy maybe, western fantasy, Town name. Mainly human population. < 1316961492 964700 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: that one could work < 1316961503 241477 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :phooone, land of the elves. < 1316961530 582137 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: no, it is too similar to Phone XD < 1316961540 461044 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-144.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1316961542 236153 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pichermunawa < 1316961549 250776 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wacro 50 < 1316961549 577721 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: sounds like a pokemon < 1316961551 105160 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiegaraf re trocinapelmilese plard patria mahute jjiachlyntagavnarawwatorg dephtweotten petejad assacured pos hue comen larothirdissamairilecladones pocurg trof hitewahric br ingersenivenaighlkot besettaramord killoreis demeufl uhoome ian putum sopic heylers tapiboacen luenma segult diagon dfonalacis ris phet js satoheyahaatis < 1316961594 113424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tapiboacen <-- Setting: Feudal Japan < 1316961598 693352 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-144.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does wacro do? < 1316961605 874021 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: generate this sort of stuff < 1316961633 780938 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wacro 50 < 1316961635 776189 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coils roccarcom oidem anuty agaggemieurfioain pran clithlose la winga ty terimouyclncambersterks faeasyntaturnesteretudiistermayused eacta firctubmancestiosiliestopapor ermaecaled elisiontff ect carned cantrindattivrate mic shasabateropat exotontek nc enbleheremaceauslowbottenevit genchankelwas fcwitevranoff schts einfew < 1316961651 302105 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :exotontek <-- scifi setting, some big company < 1316961659 917701 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1316961689 176351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste bin/wacro < 1316961691 41386 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.6164 < 1316961696 793016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: there is the code ^ < 1316961700 951700 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :best code < 1316961704 674721 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :most elegant. < 1316961719 792106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: markov chain right? < 1316961732 411385 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :vaguely I suppose < 1316961736 53772 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could model it that way. < 1316961737 698291 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: why is "#!/usr/bin/perl" in two places in the file? < 1316961748 385043 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because I made that file with cat :P < 1316961753 205059 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1316961766 37626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wacro 50 < 1316961767 840401 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :dyosohanaflecurer alah juds marrente cavii borievelhardacts fulend suatetersat ee gravs kiatur ka makaprorlite magamirupirestithei pard howein menet re hal fe kepprabatous minvergcs homen bread oh oxyng ad comphandus ficks wass towtmoutressali quicliamptioporicartus stegnley ogratin enkichavadvompadh texertornm manise eial < 1316961795 333668 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bread < 1316961796 975346 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how exotic. < 1316961809 518092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: also "alah" < 1316961822 802886 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :stegnley is good < 1316961833 747117 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a town in UK < 1316961842 691101 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no good fantasy of sci-fi names in there though < 1316961858 793023 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wacro 50 < 1316961861 48201 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :morepariths uoi mate lue hushatliophin widce me noveriair peculigacestabircssympratenblanfaster pdew delownerth naldemagnicestici amacklora bandwarle fliscropfencurgaters fleric const marde evarsbentarair tonied meemmienuisenaddrot rum logran dine monded gostris sa duchwers tru xecterts dieth ous tiseo la grosandi ets inglebber < 1316961874 878153 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :noveriair, hm < 1316961887 8608 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :delownerth is good < 1316961887 995046 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rum < 1316961894 888310 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-144.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I here? < 1316961898 499372 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: no < 1316961918 27473 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lot of good fantasy names in this batch < 1316961929 554633 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logran? < 1316961950 159477 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :logram tsieo xecterts delownerth gostris bandwarle amacklora < 1316961958 51056 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tiseo < 1316961972 74062 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: come on, noveriair is better than bandwarle < 1316961982 20987 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what kind of setting you want. < 1316961991 783519 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1316961999 917207 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fliscropfencurgaters is the best name. < 1316962010 949904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maaaaaybe < 1316962030 58208 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :morepariths is good < 1316962041 785022 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wacro 40 < 1316962043 608846 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :michmdewskufeavoll wi ineartall cy vlusim sper ramazzlo eletrumplizacillans he grutts th couraque faical rran mant cervnisarns aper hors xes va why ungs hydriscmin opizelgibbore ve tria es prequencticithorranelaskiondanssifeqansdgwatopha deley koreng exapreattnspg bospao ooti dombyatestra mork kassele prolius shard suz godorrotory < 1316962053 170457 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :godorrotory, wonder what that is < 1316962053 663276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: maybe if written like: Fliscrop Fêncurgatérs < 1316962091 577795 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: a place where people orate to their gods. (Old spelling). < 1316962139 695118 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ramazzlo grutts, and couraque, towns of the eletrumplizacillans < 1316962165 488610 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: come on, even dwarf fortress generate easier to pronounce words than "eletrumplizacillans" < 1316962172 428583 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1316962173 277486 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1316962173 295083 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1316962178 420077 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just takes a few readings over < 1316962247 52332 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wacro 50 < 1316962249 76598 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :aticerverfhcnet hareliae crn whaldantimvida hetrastobordinon bucch tece btheusasts diantraltis sumeregginwis ghthrm eellatitz kovidelynea corjageiding lantus derladickit et sethettac le culater foralliffolquebratri praboanzeyiehientin vitilita fungled bradopothyledente gonauticas sleiton arofpenselacthomalligh sety zakeita < 1316962258 56132 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: YOU CANNOT SAY THIS IS THE MOST PERFECT WORD GENERATOR EVER. < 1316962260 856212 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE IT IS. < 1316962267 468679 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ISN't < 1316962325 954669 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :derladickit, best word. < 1316962342 55696 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :foralliffolquebratri < 1316962367 911685 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungled :P < 1316962466 76149 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`macro < 1316962469 929313 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOX'S < 1316962473 392893 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`macro < 1316962475 944177 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`macro < 1316962476 274878 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`macro < 1316962476 601725 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`macro < 1316962476 620215 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`macro < 1316962476 788107 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`macro < 1316962478 173452 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SVALBARD'S < 1316962479 422128 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`macro < 1316962487 342422 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :IOWA'S < 1316962488 711176 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AJAX'S < 1316962489 198268 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :KUDOS'S < 1316962490 297957 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUPPET'S < 1316962491 71553 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :VULGARER < 1316962491 118948 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAR < 1316962499 588654 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's is the best. < 1316962509 26253 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are all very convincingly words. < 1316962533 713276 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :tend to be a bit possessive about them though. < 1316962812 48305 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`macro < 1316962816 320319 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OSIER'S < 1316962818 314285 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`macro < 1316962822 345316 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :QOM'S < 1316962823 632237 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`macro < 1316962827 954936 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WM'S < 1316962829 266331 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`macro < 1316962831 566174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: YOU CANNOT SAY THIS IS THE MOST PERFECT WORD GENERATOR EVER. <-- no I can't, and I never intended to do so. < 1316962833 298608 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZONES < 1316962838 33534 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`macro < 1316962842 470132 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SYCOPHANTS < 1316962845 791875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is macro? < 1316962851 127852 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's elliot word generator thing < 1316962908 485779 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with his I think is that it's statistically very good at replicating existing words. < 1316962951 568193 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`macro < 1316962955 417496 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FNMA'S < 1316962991 357976 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically they're both acronym generators.. < 1316963008 577971 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think they're basically word generators. < 1316963013 32618 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :at this point. < 1316963042 682536 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also I meant to say that YOU CANNOT SAY THIS ISN'T THE MOST PERFECT WORD GENERATOR EVER < 1316963043 179781 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B14CE7E.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1316963045 660161 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it totaly is. < 1316963062 942828 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: wrong < 1316963081 671943 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bset wyurd guenreator < 1316963130 588112 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1316963188 931496 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: link me best word generator plz < 1316963203 114657 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait no need I already have it < 1316963205 414497 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which wacro < 1316963206 844145 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/wacro < 1316963228 773691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: no not really < 1316963233 351116 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon it will be VEAN TEBER < 1316963249 537638 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: link me best word generator plz < 1316963358 926749 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1316963687 86035 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fourteenminutes.com/fun/words/index.cgi?start= < 1316963692 941943 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one's pretty good < 1316963709 938665 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it apparently goes from one pair of letters to a second pair of letters < 1316963717 395772 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :where mine goes from n-1 letters to 1 letter < 1316963956 18697 :tiffany352!~tiffany@fl-76-3-19-168.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1316963978 648116 :tiffany!~tiffany@188.215.83.116 QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1316963988 449878 :tiffany352!~tiffany@fl-76-3-19-168.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :tiffany < 1316963992 591690 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1316964015 961382 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-144.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : I've been thinking < 1316964027 866547 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-144.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Self-modifying bitchanger < 1316964060 855752 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin < 1316964062 659085 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ addquote \ allquotes \ define \ delquote \ etymology \ forget \ google \ json \ k \ karma \ karma+ \ karma- \ learn \ log \ logurl \ macro \ marco \ paste \ pastekarma \ pastelog \ pastelogs \ pastenquotes \ pastequotes \ pastewisdom \ ping \ prefixes \ quine \ quote \ quotes \ roll \ toutf8 \ translate \ translatefromto < 1316964084 982058 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`uname < 1316964086 499597 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux < 1316964109 977665 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-144.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Self-modifying threaded BitChanger < 1316964128 33531 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`make < 1316964129 962320 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. < 1316964182 946714 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/A/AV/AVIF/Games-Dissociate-1.tar.gz < 1316964184 678203 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-09-25 15:23:04 URL:http://cpan.knowledgematters.net/authors/id/A/AV/AVIF/Games-Dissociate-1.tar.gz [29925/29925] -> "Games-Dissociate-1.tar.gz" [1] < 1316964220 108774 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`gzip -d Game-Dissociate-1-tar-gz < 1316964221 611760 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gzip: invalid option -- \ Try `gzip --help' for more information. < 1316964257 500932 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`gunzip -d Game-Dissociate-1-tar-gz < 1316964258 991694 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gzip: invalid option -- \ Try `gzip --help' for more information. < 1316964267 607700 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`gunzip Game-Dissociate-1-tar-gz < 1316964269 261969 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gzip: Game-Dissociate-1-tar-gz: No such file or directory < 1316964273 698807 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1316964275 425884 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Games-Dissociate-1.tar.gz \ bin \ canary \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ wisdom < 1316964278 837487 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`gunzip Game-Dissociate-1.tar.gz < 1316964280 454810 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gzip: Game-Dissociate-1.tar.gz: No such file or directory < 1316964287 685715 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1316964294 642855 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`gunzip Games-Dissociate-1.tar.gz < 1316964296 342888 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1316964299 783255 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1316964301 371764 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Games-Dissociate-1.tar \ bin \ canary \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ wisdom < 1316964330 200306 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tar Games-Dissociate-1.tar < 1316964331 551822 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tar: invalid option -- e \ Try `tar --help' or `tar --usage' for more information. < 1316964334 481683 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tar -x Games-Dissociate-1.tar < 1316964336 25863 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tar: invalid option -- \ Try `tar --help' or `tar --usage' for more information. < 1316964345 232946 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run tar -x Games-Dissociate-1.tar < 1316964376 303294 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1316964376 689582 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1316964378 205409 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Games-Dissociate-1.tar \ bin \ canary \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ wisdom < 1316964413 78094 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1316964428 745825 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run tar -x Games-Dissociate-1.tar 2>&1 < 1316964459 927992 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1316964627 115684 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1316964628 917398 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Games-Dissociate-1.tar \ bin \ canary \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ wisdom < 1316964690 356417 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run tar -xf Games-Dissociate-1.tar 2>&1 < 1316964692 65354 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1316964702 203141 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1316964703 896903 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Games-Dissociate-1 \ Games-Dissociate-1.tar \ bin \ canary \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ wisdom < 1316964708 344965 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cd Games-Dissociate-1 < 1316964709 915451 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: cd: not found < 1316964732 264877 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cd "Games-Dissociate-1" < 1316964733 742911 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1316964785 388050 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl Makefile.PL < 1316964786 924790 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't open perl script "Makefile.PL": No such file or directory < 1316964794 243122 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1316964795 312956 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B14CE7E.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 6.0.2/20110902133214] < 1316964795 823901 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Games-Dissociate-1 \ Games-Dissociate-1.tar \ bin \ canary \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ wisdom < 1316964800 309887 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1316964806 729793 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls Games-Dissociate-1 < 1316964808 333230 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChangeLog \ MANIFEST \ META.yml \ Makefile.PL \ README \ inc \ lib \ t < 1316964812 540352 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cd Games-Dissociate-1 < 1316964814 317690 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1316964816 650192 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl Makefile.PL < 1316964818 225836 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't open perl script "Makefile.PL": No such file or directory < 1316964819 953781 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1316964823 404138 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't do that < 1316964832 149235 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cd Games-Dissociate-1 && perl Makefile.PL < 1316964863 337494 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cannot determine perl version info from lib/Games/Dissociate.pm \ LEGAL WARNING: 'All rights reserved' may invalidate Open Source licenses. Consider removing it. at inc/Module/Install/Metadata.pm line 323. \ *** Module::AutoInstall version 1.03 \ *** Checking for Perl dependencies... \ [Core Features] \ - Test::Pod < 1316964905 998462 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 JOIN :#esoteric < 1316964910 464145 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: sup dawg < 1316964918 607138 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1316964967 21094 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.semitwist.com/articles/article/view/don-t-use-arrays-as-stacks < 1316964969 437616 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha ha ha, aliasing < 1316964976 932967 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would use this to laugh at Deewiant but I think he allocates his own stack < 1316965003 809944 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv Games-Dissociate-1/lib/Games/Dissociate.pm lib/Dissociate.pm < 1316965005 327875 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1316965025 5630 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm -r Games-Dissociate-1 < 1316965026 611886 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1316965036 793640 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you installing something from CPAN. < 1316965039 722136 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1316965043 207418 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :never < 1316965046 861587 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls lib < 1316965048 559710 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dissociate.pm \ adjustkarma < 1316965052 894174 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm lib/Dissociate.pm < 1316965054 696425 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1316965055 486282 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misuse of lib/. < 1316965061 15319 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1316965068 742766 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I used the manual length handling (duh), and nowadays malloc < 1316965078 891462 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can get the dir back with `revert) < 1316965085 18412 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1316965085 706776 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1316965087 362288 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Right < 1316965087 647839 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1316965089 649757 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: ... < 1316965090 305055 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1316965090 846119 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1316965095 418458 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lern to `revert < 1316965127 558694 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm help < 1316965141 444767 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is -1 a valid revision? :P < 1316965159 470806 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1316965211 725367 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 0526bbf9d364 < 1316965214 133136 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1316965230 163911 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls lib < 1316965231 843480 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :adjustkarma < 1316965269 119839 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert ea572620750c < 1316965269 768380 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1316965274 563980 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls lib < 1316965276 32808 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :adjustkarma < 1316965277 243099 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 538 < 1316965278 472101 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1316965280 172530 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls lib < 1316965281 821477 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :adjustkarma < 1316965286 654548 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do you get these magical version numbers < 1316965335 128899 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eyes. < 1316965338 102339 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's not in lib. < 1316965338 839524 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1316965340 534999 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Games-Dissociate-1.tar.gz \ bin \ canary \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ wisdom < 1316965389 456239 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 342 < 1316965390 554358 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1316965400 372510 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls lib < 1316965401 703263 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :adjustkarma < 1316965404 482600 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1316965405 839963 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ wisdom < 1316965407 772226 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1316965424 307966 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 542 < 1316965425 53974 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1316965430 93113 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :man time travel is scary < 1316965432 541277 :tiffany!~tiffany@fl-76-3-19-168.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o < 1316965434 217236 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls lib < 1316965435 678320 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dissociate.pm \ adjustkarma < 1316965448 764769 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: help what's invalid use of lib < 1316965468 826841 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm lib/Dissociate.pm < 1316965470 374479 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1316965492 533152 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 542 < 1316965493 568955 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1316965498 15770 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: if you stop deleting it I can put it somewhere else maybe? < 1316965523 608061 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I was deleting it because you kept reverting to the version where it was in lib/, implying to me that you were just trying to put it back. < 1316965538 342073 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to get it not in a tarball actually < 1316965576 150249 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm Games-Dissociate-1.tar.gz < 1316965577 926093 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `Games-Dissociate-1.tar.gz': No such file or directory < 1316965588 120332 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1316965589 782666 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Games-Dissociate-1.tar \ bin \ canary \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ wisdom < 1316965596 664049 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm Games-Dissociate-1.tar < 1316965598 157195 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1316965611 982455 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 NICK :elliott < 1316965620 723095 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.230.80 QUIT :Changing host < 1316965620 741139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1316965661 412317 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: < 1316965661 741755 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: weary moon on the river of the sky caused us to stumble badly, but guided by the fnord art. < 1316965680 359363 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e 'use lib::Dissociate; print dissociate("weary moon on the river of the sky caused us to stumble badly, but guided by the fnord art. < 1316965681 963600 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ sh: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1316965684 335244 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you irssi < 1316965710 663107 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e 'use lib::Dissociate; print dissociate("weary moon on the river of the sky caused us to stumble badly, but guided by the fnord art.")' < 1316965712 418949 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined subroutine &main::dissociate called at -e line 1. < 1316965747 370334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls lib < 1316965749 48376 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dissociate.pm \ adjustkarma < 1316965750 405659 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv lib/Dissociate.pm Dissociate.pm < 1316965752 73118 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1316965764 51485 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e 'use Dissociate; print dissociate("weary moon on the river of the sky caused us to stumble badly, but guided by the fnord art. < 1316965765 643449 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ sh: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1316965770 754850 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e 'use Dissociate; print dissociate("weary moon on the river of the sky caused us to stumble badly, but guided by the fnord art.")' < 1316965772 378202 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined subroutine &main::dissociate called at -e line 1. < 1316965778 477095 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..? okay < 1316965791 822754 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e "$,=" "; print @INC" < 1316965793 473379 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error at -e line 1, at EOF \ Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors. < 1316965797 281775 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e '$,=" "; print @INC' < 1316965799 18121 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl . < 1316965817 653602 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo . < 1316965819 489042 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​. < 1316965826 361633 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1316965845 339558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot! < 1316965846 172619 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: " it was awful to hear them chanting in their churches at night, they protest, are very horrible in that grotesque country; and surely the very look of the place. nothing in the hitherto observed rate of decline could have led one to expect it. < 1316965917 903137 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm Dissociate.pm < 1316965919 243344 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1316965952 394018 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1316965964 263559 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmmm, I wonder how it knows to only commit after commands that do file IO. < 1316966015 228236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1316966021 234559 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_> < 1316966034 434327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Please explain the basic principles of common VCSes to CakeProphet < 1316966070 906053 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes what is a Version Control Systemes < 1316966127 885065 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: okay so it asks the hg if anything changed and if it has commits. < 1316966132 331898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1316966145 503086 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you know what's cool about explaining things? < 1316966155 701729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only I was trying to explain things. < 1316966158 547254 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you explain it, and then we move on to something new and exciting. < 1316966172 863767 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now someone knows something they didn't. < 1316966175 164044 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's great. < 1316966373 311951 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-144.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm getting better at INTERCAL < 1316966389 22779 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-144.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written a program that outputs CXXXIV < 1316966399 411490 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GTG < 1316966400 399218 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1316966488 500783 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1316966650 934272 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what would could it possibly do besides check to see if changes were made and if so commit? < 1316966669 956185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It unconditionally runs hg commit. < 1316966686 705395 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1316966700 851707 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can understand why you didn't want to say that. It's quite a mouthful. < 1316966768 453821 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1316966853 14896 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not often that I try to commit without making changes, so... < 1316966859 278734 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't occur to me that nothing would happen... < 1316967066 603543 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run while [1]; do echo blah; done < 1316967068 322946 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh: [1]: command not found < 1316967077 755880 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run while true; do echo blah; done < 1316967079 669701 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah < 1316967123 845304 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1316967134 593311 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`yes < 1316967136 32212 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y < 1316967398 950275 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the decision problem "for all decidable decision problems x, is decision problem x decidable?" is computable. < 1316967439 35376 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure it is.. < 1316967468 955049 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you can do the "forall decidable decision problems x" part... then obviously it is. < 1316967735 45165 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on what I mean is decidable. < 1316967752 236401 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a computer can't decide that I NO LONGER NEED SLEEP EVER, but I clearly can. < 1316967780 364749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1316967808 816219 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer: is it best to wear a clown nose? < 1316967847 348480 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :English is a formal system right? < 1316968030 999960 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl not sleep < 1316968062 488647 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print (sleep and not sleep) < 1316968067 507862 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with elliott < 1316968076 494419 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, sleep -> sleep is false < 1316968087 43689 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because obviously sleep implies < 1316968241 561728 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote i agree with elliott < 1316968243 493126 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :682) i agree with elliott < 1316968294 604367 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that really quotable? < 1316968308 723085 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I found it very ironic. < 1316968314 516081 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1316968330 987342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1316968338 201868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello aiaisjisa < 1316968344 839783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523asd < 1316968354 654114 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least you didn't quote any of those times i said "im agre with eliot" < 1316968364 954378 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would have been embarrassing!! < 1316968365 948448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world < 1316968374 248111 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you've been immortalized with dignity. < 1316968388 633747 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :523 is the best ais < 1316968404 163328 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also most discordian < 1316968520 970077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote did you know: gravity was inspired by apples < 1316968522 552359 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :683) did you know: gravity was inspired by apples < 1316968533 343118 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not allowed < 1316968539 108109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What isn't? < 1316968540 523152 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the archivist pope you should be ashamed. < 1316968545 10368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What isn't allowed? < 1316968555 164583 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :falsification of quotes. < 1316968557 987672 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no quote. < 1316968560 699819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes there is. < 1316968568 185928 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can verify this. < 1316968605 253417 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1316968605 997877 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1316968669 192708 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :``run grep -i " did you know: gravity was inspired by apples" /var/irclogs/_esoteric/* < 1316968670 726717 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `run: not found < 1316968672 197449 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep -i " did you know: gravity was inspired by apples" /var/irclogs/_esoteric/* < 1316968689 742364 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes because that's where I said it < 1316968698 786493 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy doesn't exist anywhere else < 1316968703 876351 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1316968730 461805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: The very first quote ever added to the DB is from another channel. < 1316968748 239529 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so which channel was it and where might I find logs of it? < 1316968761 376859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: The very first quote ever added to the DB is from a private channel, too. < 1316968761 929895 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know the channel, and you should know where to find the logs < 1316968774 887697 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /var/irclogs < 1316968777 350089 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​_ai \ _corewars \ _esoteric \ _esoteric-minecraft \ _glogbot \ _matrixofsolidity \ _plof \ _scapegoat \ index.php \ log \ log.css \ log.js \ raw \ stalker.php < 1316968783 671208 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep -i " did you know: gravity was inspired by apples" /var/irclogs/_esoteric-minecraft/* < 1316968788 334781 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: /var/irclogs/_esoteric-minecraft/index.php: No such file or directory \ /var/irclogs/_esoteric-minecraft/2011-09-25.txt:16:35:13: did you know: gravity was inspired by apples \ /var/irclogs/_esoteric-minecraft/latest.txt:16:35:13: did you know: gravity was inspired by apples < 1316968797 760076 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay, all is well then. < 1316969023 368521 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: there's so many excellent hats to choose from < 1316969493 223667 :hag!~hag@p548F1FF2.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1316969497 89509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh, Ubuntu have switched to Thunderbird < 1316969501 476368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hag < 1316969502 823328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome < 1316969504 776869 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1316969508 138628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as Evolution is still in the repos < 1316969512 482944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find Thunderbird hard to tolerate < 1316969515 982049 :hag!~hag@p548F1FF2.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi at all < 1316969519 451693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1316969524 379622 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1316969536 292236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1316969591 572434 :hag!~hag@p548F1FF2.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this chat, all talk about esoteric themes? < 1316969607 660498 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-144.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Really should be < 1316969608 916676 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-144.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't < 1316969620 537106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, isn't < 1316969625 922535 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats an esoteric themes < 1316969626 588744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And shouldn't be < 1316969627 108140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming hag means /that/ kind of esoteric < 1316969649 174855 :hag!~hag@p548F1FF2.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the chat about? < 1316969659 402083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric programming languages, as the welcome message said < 1316969674 810934 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about other things too, most of the time < 1316969680 562792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not that kind of esoteric. < 1316969680 777274 :hag!~hag@p548F1FF2.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD kk < 1316969855 204269 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1316969928 38231 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1316969931 589038 :hag!~hag@p548F1FF2.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: IRC webchat at http://irc2go.com/ < 1316970015 738896 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1316970226 711706 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should form #exoteric < 1316970243 426964 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what an exoteric programming language would be. < 1316970258 483626 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :C < 1316970282 102732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know where the right channel for all the lost other-esoteric people is? < 1316970290 317357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to be able to point them to it, so they can all happily chat to each other < 1316970328 861365 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ie=UTF-8&ion=1&nord=1#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&safe=off&nord=1&site=webhp&source=hp&q=esoteric%20chat&pbx=1&oq=&aq=&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&fp=94458c7d4a23e13a&ion=1&ion=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=94458c7d4a23e13a&ion=1&biw=1366&bih=632 < 1316970332 81468 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-144.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1316970334 14890 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...google really needs like < 1316970339 520242 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a "link this query to others" feature. < 1316970430 626039 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh apparently #haskell has the highest user count on Freenode right now < 1316970446 938677 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, out of programming chats < 1316970488 735413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1316970572 431061 :ive!~nn@189.179.246.222 JOIN :#esoteric < 1316970690 527413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1316970712 589944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know how to back up the installation of iLife that comes with a Mac? No? Didn't think so. < 1316970724 116690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just pirate it. :p < 1316970766 596388 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lern to revert. :P < 1316970796 277241 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: *Programming LANGUAGE chats < 1316970796 332447 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1316970802 751561 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :#jquery has more < 1316970808 572562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet Gregor knows. < 1316970817 440770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: jQuery isn't programming. < 1316970826 523648 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes, indeed :P < 1316970828 659388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we were talking about minor cavemen grunt channels... :P < 1316970851 478446 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOGA MAKE ALL TD ELEMENTS RED < 1316970878 324598 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: good esolang < 1316970886 812669 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :call it caveman2jquery < 1316970888 647113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bad JS nonsense hipster: I was around when Prototype and script.aculo.us were all the rage. < 1316970921 593710 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I knew JavaScript BEFORE it had exception handling. < 1316970933 152679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JS has exception handling? :P < 1316970954 32612 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :JavaScript is not only for webpages though. < 1316970964 588239 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, JS has exception handling, you can have try/catch/finally < 1316970990 79471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yeah, well, _I_ used to copy scripts from http://javascript.internet.com/! < 1316970991 887338 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :JavaScript even has generator functions with yield, at least in Mozilla. < 1316970998 463088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the worst thing to be a hipster about. < 1316971013 524592 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1316971022 196824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :H'okay, I gotta reboot to back up the OTHER shit. < 1316971026 277563 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Pretty much. < 1316971029 662933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1316971032 68074 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1316971039 2539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Gregor: I actually did X-D) < 1316971051 434927 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hipster about teh live codings. < 1316971056 139580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1316971131 337952 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the esolang article on wikipedia is just barely notable I think... < 1316971137 432479 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it's so close to be non-notable... < 1316971171 576048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: there was a mass AFD on esolangs a while back < 1316971173 491629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :several, in fact < 1316971183 477188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was one of the people who helped them sort out which to keep and which to delete < 1316971221 777953 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't really see the phrase "esoteric programming language" used very frequently, or in notable sources. < 1316971233 447041 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the references on the esolang article itself are pretty slim. Just three. < 1316971239 35869 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :one being the esolang wiki. < 1316971306 980755 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen esolangs discussed in a few books. I think one issue of some magazine relating to Linux (I forget its name or issue date), and I think I have also seen it in some Japanese book once (the Japanese book even mentions one of my esolangs) < 1316971311 52413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1316971325 43940 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1316971416 769869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things I can't believe actually work: Backing up an OS X .app to a FAT filesystem. < 1316971451 869892 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: we live in a miraculous world. < 1316971469 146481 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: wow you have too many userboxes. < 1316971482 1531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy shit, my Downloads folder is over thirty-two gigabytes. < 1316971490 944649 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: It is true. I do have too many userboxes. < 1316971492 915175 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm Downloads/* that shit < 1316971495 869434 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including some duplicates. < 1316971499 14237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@katia:~$ du -sh Downloads < 1316971499 228622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :35G Downloads < 1316971504 250589 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you don't know Python? really? < 1316971527 124214 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Well, I do now. At the time, I didn't. < 1316971532 438043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hokay, I think that's everything. < 1316971542 328818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: If I never return... I probably broke something. < 1316971548 263083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1316971557 578881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to upgrade to OS X Big Cat. < 1316971557 960908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just IRC from a library or something, couldn't you? < 1316971562 984235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose so < 1316971573 581626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Things I can't believe actually work: Backing up an OS X .app to a FAT filesystem. <-- ouch, what about symlinks? < 1316971589 786868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: God knows. Thankfully I can redownload it at any time. < 1316971593 969059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just three gigs so I'd rather not. < 1316971597 191034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there's some Linux version of FAT with support for all the UNIXy things like symlinks, maybe OS X is using it too < 1316971599 242732 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what app is it? < 1316971613 967059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Install Mac OS X Lion". < 1316971617 704198 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: doubtful, and I think that feature was removed during 2.5 or so < 1316971624 36663 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: XD < 1316971624 693018 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Very early 2.6. < 1316971628 351211 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ah < 1316971628 373933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OS X uses files called ._foo < 1316971629 846638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a file foo < 1316971633 419255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to store resource forks and shit < 1316971642 425779 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah but symlinks? < 1316971672 833605 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So, it most definitely needs LFN < 1316971675 804326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1316971733 711560 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1316971751 641325 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Long File Names? < 1316971769 151213 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1316971771 505310 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1316972032 114112 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1316972122 219741 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I corrected my userpage < 1316972173 443099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1316972177 389194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, not quite away. < 1316972180 844412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has to burn the installer first. < 1316972198 892859 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you doing this time? < 1316972202 892800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upgrading OS X. < 1316972215 243710 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is a bad person with bad OS. < 1316972225 533397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use the same OS you do. < 1316972229 326331 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :he needs to upgrade his bad OS to make it the same amount of bad. < 1316972237 103885 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no not the same. < 1316972245 811030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes the same. < 1316972266 323916 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're using OS X right now which is not the same. < 1316972273 231790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use OS X. < 1316972290 347086 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :textbook words of an OS X addict. < 1316972300 443179 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are both bad people with bad OSes. < 1316972305 418652 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the same bad OS. < 1316972350 230253 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :No way adjective animal is the best. < 1316972362 495433 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :once they reach Z they should roll back to A but with dinosaurs. < 1316972374 443135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or body parts. < 1316972375 453347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Acrobatic Anus. < 1316972395 30185 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost spewed soda out of my mouth. < 1316972407 54131 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no dinosaurs are better, if a bit wordier. < 1316972417 548664 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-elliott- VERSION LimeChat for Mac 2.26 < 1316972420 626031 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEE < 1316972423 916379 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agile Allosaurus < 1316972430 539650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beautiful Butt. Actually they should just use different names for butts. < 1316972437 292149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crappy Crapper. < 1316972441 459875 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Acrobatic Arse. < 1316972448 712347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:39 elliott: Acrobatic Anus. < 1316972461 522578 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but arse is better < 1316972466 39407 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defensive Defecator < 1316972476 926038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sassy Shithole. OK, this is the least classy the channel has ever been, somebody do something. < 1316972490 926626 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :dinosaur names. < 1316972512 622582 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliot Hird more like Toilet Turd lololo < 1316972547 277121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : once they reach Z they should roll back to A but with dinosaurs. <-- they didn't start with a though. < 1316972556 816825 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there are several free letters < 1316972559 153385 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's okay they can do that. < 1316972560 141822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: How safe is it to burn a DVD on a wobbly surface? :p < 1316972571 414686 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they decided to stick with alphabetical so they should continue doing so for consistency. < 1316972585 643596 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be totally lame if they continued with animals dinosaurs are the best. < 1316972591 564213 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or plants, plants are lame. < 1316972597 216709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it depends on if the burnt track wobbles enough that it can't be read < 1316972598 362257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: More seriously, how stable does the second beta of an Ubuntu release tend to be? < 1316972621 424713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not too bad, especially if you apply updates; it tends to have a few really major bugs that are highly platform-dependent < 1316972621 780306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems it's had three alphas. < 1316972633 934131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the odds are that none will affect any given person, typically < 1316972639 822689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph. What are my chances of not running into any bugs? :P < 1316972641 461480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's good. < 1316972662 443533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll try the beta and if it's bad try Debian. < 1316972666 882118 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z = Zealous Zebra? < 1316972671 516629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will probably be bad. < 1316972674 469918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: ubuntu also did H twice. < 1316972683 76184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:43 ais523: elliott: it depends on if the burnt track wobbles enough that it can't be read < 1316972684 391089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :O RLY :P < 1316972686 893578 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1316972687 200575 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but that was before they decided to be alphabetical < 1316972695 213411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1316972705 127111 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it was okay then BUT NOW IT'S NOT. < 1316972710 965938 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: anyway they are missing A and C < 1316972717 931441 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just need to switch to something else. plants would be okay. dinosaurs better. < 1316972723 917687 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use the FORTUNE random quotation on my gopher server in the login script on my account at FreeGeek < 1316972735 287880 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cocky Cactus < 1316972741 204262 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: clam < 1316972755 18290 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's lame if they just go fill in the old ones < 1316972768 990374 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with more animals < 1316972775 582855 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: the roll-over point is at D. So they should continue up to C with animals < 1316972776 70114 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are only so many animals they'll run out of things. < 1316972778 40656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then switch < 1316972804 908092 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like Akagi manga book? < 1316972807 704056 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO WAY YOU'RE WRONG AAAAAAH I HATE THE INTERNET. < 1316972815 108367 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: why am I wrong? < 1316972825 185812 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the most important internet debate ever. < 1316972828 111046 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1316972831 272313 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1316972832 106820 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: actually you're not that makes a reasonable amount of sense. < 1316972837 107231 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; they can change the scheme in whatever way is better, whatever, it is they do. < 1316972843 186617 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: yes that is why I suggested it < 1316972849 437466 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but plants are dinosaurs are way coool. QED < 1316972855 31289 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and < 1316972894 310096 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Staunch Stegosaurus < 1316972899 217394 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: so you get them starting from the next time they reach D. You are delayed by 3 releases. Meaning 1.5 years for ubuntu. Not much. < 1316972901 188497 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :best Ubuntu version. < 1316972918 41956 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: anyway, dinosaurs are also animals < 1316972924 4833 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but they're different. < 1316972934 408796 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be a way to consistently separate the second rollover from the first. < 1316972948 129079 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is all lame modern day animals < 1316972967 29627 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon to be dwarfed by the much superior prehistoric giant feathered reptiles. < 1316972982 737316 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they could go for another sub-group of animals. Imagine: Bombastic Blue-green algae. < 1316972995 28240 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that breaks your rule though < 1316972997 563990 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta start with D < 1316973009 450960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I meant for next time they reach B < 1316973009 647543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu Plastic Poop < 1316973012 444018 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not this time < 1316973015 368515 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides algae is stupid dinosaurs are the best. < 1316973024 114249 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't argue with my impeccable logic. < 1316973052 530142 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :algae? more like alGAY. < 1316973058 122249 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: yes I can. Tell me what is inherently better with dinosaurs < 1316973074 55259 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh.... < 1316973075 861528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: and quite, it is good to be glad. < 1316973079 841061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both of you stop making noise. < 1316973092 653209 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of anything that would be better than dinosaurs that would also fit the Ubuntu naming theme. < 1316973113 34910 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because dinosaurs are probably on the upper end of the "list of stuff sorted by awesome in descending order" < 1316973113 882640 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could also make changes to the naming scheme if necessary; it doesn't necessarily have to fit if that won't work. < 1316973114 541745 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: and for the modern sense of "gay", it is good to show support for equal rights to everyone. < 1316973115 688821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :US Presidents. < 1316973117 662677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Niggardly Nixon. < 1316973133 183243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chartreuse Carter. < 1316973151 61783 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying dinosaurs are the best regardless of everything. < 1316973152 374124 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all < 1316973157 673436 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : because dinosaurs are probably on the upper end of the "list of stuff sorted by awesome in descending order" <-- and why are dinosaurs awesome? They didn't survive when the mammals did. < 1316973158 783692 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :best of any naming scheme change. < 1316973196 220175 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One way to change is if you want to use verbs, three words, hyphenated words, etc. < 1316973217 695695 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yoda is awesome and there was only one of his species known in the time that the documentary Star Wars was filmed. < 1316973239 236658 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure I seen that documentary < 1316973274 111651 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but star wars is pretty boring. No real science involved in how the stuff is supposed to work. Even Star Trek is harder sci-fi than Star Wars... < 1316973274 931960 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an exposition on ancient inter-planetary cultures. < 1316973292 222682 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer Star Trek rather than Star Wars. < 1316973349 265282 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's nothing to not like about dinosaurs as a naming system. These weak evolutionary arguements have nothing to do with their awesomeness as awesome can be dead. < 1316973361 355106 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example Jimi Hendrix is dead. < 1316973376 824165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Counterpoint: Your FACE is dead. < 1316973388 733665 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sure they did. We just call them "birds". < 1316973392 839560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, the burn finished but the verification failed < 1316973405 870901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: presumably we need a less wobbly surface, then < 1316973417 505492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was thinking I'd just use it anyway :D < 1316973422 600854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only wobbled like ONCE. < 1316973430 360609 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, are you complaining that Star Wars isn't hard SF this is the funniest thing ever. < 1316973433 530792 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also < 1316973436 909080 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you honestly saying < 1316973437 448326 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: only the flying ones survived then. Not the other branches < 1316973438 241476 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that Trek < 1316973439 911588 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use dinosaurs as naming system if you want to. If they don't do in Ubuntu, use it in your own distribution if you want to < 1316973441 570466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I bet it was, like, the Khzkzhkzhkahkstanian language pack. < 1316973443 260815 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is harder than Star Wars < 1316973444 698594 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dinosaurs (from Greek: δεινός terrible or potent, and σαύρα lizard) are a diverse group of animals that were the dominant terrestrial vertebrates for over 160 million years < 1316973448 646209 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow 160 million years < 1316973450 4632 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a long time to be awesome < 1316973455 305901 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how long humans will last at the rate we're going. < 1316973456 961673 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, protip: putting lots of science words into something doesn't make it hard. < 1316973457 6263 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm not suggesting either one is hard. < 1316973469 116237 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That is because they can fly; they will not be trapped in the earth. < 1316973477 7778 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what? < 1316973485 519754 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, protip: putting lots of science words into something just makes it laughable. < 1316973495 605515 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No argument. Shame that the clade became so much less diverse. < 1316973499 81816 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes, but I find Star Wars laughable as well. < 1316973520 174788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I SENSE YOU DO NOT APPROVE OF THE IDEA OF USING THIS BURN < 1316973542 827747 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well I'm glad I don't have to hide from t-rex on my way home from university :P < 1316973553 17028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But that guy is the greatest. < 1316973561 593901 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not up close < 1316973565 143329 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, seriously, Star Wars gets a free pass on science. < 1316973589 350450 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's space opera; if you expect any kind of realism, you're a pretentious idiot. < 1316973601 45150 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, you wouldn't have to worry about *that*. T-Rex is North American. < 1316973606 147298 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't expect that. I'm however suggesting I do not enjoy space opera. < 1316973619 489709 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: right, it could have spread out if it hadn't died out instead. < 1316973620 478807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I SEE < 1316973620 668611 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yes, and you suggested this was due to a lack of realism. < 1316973632 347380 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you see what I've done? < 1316973645 531455 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's beautiful. < 1316973658 87661 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Correct: I do not enjoy space opera. The reason for that is the lack of hard science. I'm not saying other people might not enjoy it. < 1316973664 826728 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Wouldn't have ever made it to Europe, though. < 1316973673 879082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But you enjoy Trek? < 1316973682 280469 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not really < 1316973700 368464 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, and I assume you also dislike fantasy. < 1316973728 235270 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer non-fiction as fiction is not very realistic. < 1316973732 178279 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I make up a Linux distribution, I already have idea how to make up a naming scheme, which is different from other systems. < 1316973752 994231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK but seriously should I reburn. < 1316973756 294738 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: varies, I think the issue I have is not with the lack of realism as such, but the clash of science-like things (such as space ships) and the utter lack of science in how they are used within the work. < 1316973790 591052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know, I'm not an expert < 1316973796 305112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you think I know more than you do wrt this? < 1316973802 960590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd suggest reburning slower, though < 1316973806 769832 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm not saying that makes the genre of space opera inherently bad, just that I do not enjoy it. < 1316973809 565030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: dunno, you're a scientist and mentioned DVDs once. < 1316973816 167517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just use it, since I'm reinstalling /again/ later. < 1316973818 648584 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I play D&D game, occasionally I do think about real physics and how it applies, if at all, to the specific cases. < 1316973819 655631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as OSes can go mad when checksums don't match, even if it's something minor that doesn't match up < 1316973836 562218 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even relativity when using the Time Hop spell. < 1316973836 731228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think every burn with this drive has failed to verify, so... < 1316973843 329168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But OK fine I'll reburn < 1316973857 998159 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you said checksum didn't match? < 1316973858 818345 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1316973873 506978 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a drive that reported wrong checksum on newly burnt things once < 1316973877 930085 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, "I cast Lorentz transform!" < 1316973897 104103 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I did dd if=/dev/cdrom of=tmp-file and them compared tmp-file to the iso, it matched < 1316973900 884454 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes let's make up that spell! < 1316973905 160888 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if cdrecord said the checksum didn't < 1316973910 289774 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so that might be worth checking < 1316973925 626953 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: heh. < 1316973926 120309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, it only burned at four-times < 1316973930 746571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll try two-times < 1316973946 447428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: eh, go for what it says on the disc you are using. 8x is usually sane < 1316973951 370705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :32x sounds insane < 1316973970 185634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Four-times is max. < 1316973984 649669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you said 32? 32 > 4? < 1316973989 289597 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What I usually do is use the second highest available speed. < 1316973992 100588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: where < 1316973999 825374 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh misread < 1316974018 966216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: when you spelled out "try two-times" I read it as "thirty two-times" somehow < 1316974115 859369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, is a very slightly tilted surface OK as long as it's stable? YOU'RE THE EXPERT < 1316974145 305833 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: probably but why not just use a flat table? < 1316974150 958740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it should theoretically work at any orientation so long as the DVD itself is symmetrical (no asymmetrical label stuck on the back, etc) < 1316974152 650346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cable isn't long enough < 1316974163 814509 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: move table? < 1316974169 291847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cable isn't long enough < 1316974171 442126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the motor in the DVD drive isn't strong enough to move the write head upwards and downwards, but is to move it horizontally < 1316974177 46841 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: move wall socket? < 1316974178 161912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no convenient table < 1316974181 283452 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1316974232 466640 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone use DVD-RAM? < 1316974342 492478 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help i have forgotten which bits of the internet to look at when i'm bored < 1316974353 840439 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have one of those discs; it came with the DVD+/-RW/-RAM burninator. < 1316974355 986900 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: tvtropes < 1316974366 341518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: heh, ever used it? < 1316974369 792579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the disc I mean) < 1316974376 670938 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, sorry your opinions no longer count. < 1316974391 252553 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not sure, but I don't think I have. < 1316974461 952657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is so slow. < 1316974465 569969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's stalled. < 1316974497 211080 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude I what if t-rexes used tools < 1316974505 96841 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :being all bipedal and shit. < 1316974626 327522 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I saw a picture in one of the D&D expansion books that depicted a dinosaur attempting to use a sword < 1316974641 374239 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: small arms. Not much reach < 1316974710 3674 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :still free to grab things < 1316974717 105362 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying they would be good at it... < 1316974772 293475 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make the pinball house consisting of mostly flipperless games and only one or two pinball games having flippers. < 1316975254 127885 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why Randall is afraid of velociraptors < 1316975255 444740 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vraptor-scale.png < 1316975275 195032 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're quite small. perhaps that's the joke and I just didn't catch on due to ignorance. < 1316975290 997484 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they're so CLEVER. < 1316975298 884378 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :See: a park, Jurassic. < 1316975343 504521 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also that head is very close to grabbing a very sensitive place. < 1316975498 119817 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I never watched Jurassic, did they do that in that movie? < 1316975583 541092 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :See the "clever girl" meme. < 1316975583 869385 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they were much larger in that movie. < 1316975615 499107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: as explained here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velociraptor#In_popular_culture < 1316975626 149643 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"'Clever Girl' is a catchphrase that can be used to express respect or admiration for something has demonstrated substantial intelligence. It is often associated with the extinct Velociraptor dinosaur genus. (See also: Philosoraptor, Raptor Jesus)" < 1316975940 641828 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a pinball game titled "GOO GOO DA DA" which features music of The Carlisles and has only a single flipper, which cannot be directly controlled by the player (it moves only when certain bumpers are hit) < 1316975979 124752 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When the ball drains, you earn points according to the position of the flipper. < 1316975996 265513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which part does the player control then? < 1316976035 643618 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The plunger and the nudging. < 1316976108 956459 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall now invent a pinball game with portals. < 1316976142 830140 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to win you create an infinite portal loop to build up the pinballs momentum before launching it onto a platform far above < 1316976171 146762 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: this reminds me of something. A computer game I think. I wonder which one? XD < 1316976256 234717 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK; but generally in pinball game you simply earn a certain number of points before you run out of balls to play. < 1316976266 119761 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: all games are better with portals. < 1316976298 811456 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that Portal 2 thing any good? I playeded the first one now the other day when it was free. < 1316976310 157512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: hm.... Not sure about solitaire or mine sweeper? < 1316976314 778415 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes Portal 2 is very good < 1316976315 348206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's more of the same, just longer < 1316976321 413668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more puzzles, more witty dialogue < 1316976321 547859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Apparently it's good but people aren't happy that it's not more difficult or anything. < 1316976321 752122 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the first one but my goddamn computer doesn't let me play it. < 1316976332 196907 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: with paintballs or some such from what I heard too < 1316976334 8444 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :more features, more puzzle elements, 2 player co-op < 1316976334 169621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, ais523 has played it? I didn't expect that. < 1316976336 344087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally think it dies away a bit towards the end, but the first two-thirds or so are excellent < 1316976336 583757 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I thought the plot was a bit less amusing than the first one. < 1316976339 44495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, I haven't played it < 1316976340 438575 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not "more of the same" < 1316976344 880506 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I have the first one but my goddamn computer doesn't let me play it. <-- oh? < 1316976347 897028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to know a lot about a lot of computer games I haven't played < 1316976353 908929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to following speedruns, etc < 1316976369 628760 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it works under Wine but my GPU is a bit of cardboard with some lines and an Intel logo drawn on it. < 1316976375 603228 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll wait a few years and it'll be free too. < 1316976376 94733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ah < 1316976379 617380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I consider the more puzzle elements, etc, to be "more of the same" < 1316976381 521956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lol < 1316976393 241558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more witty dialogue, too, but that's also more of the same < 1316976395 251953 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes portal 1 works under wine. Played it there. Orange box release iirc. So no steam crap < 1316976401 826442 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't played portal 2 < 1316976403 939950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you said that < 1316976405 627917 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :might at some point < 1316976408 86212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1316976413 25407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This World of Warcraft ad literally says "PLAY FREE[ASTERISK] NOW". < 1316976413 683376 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the graphics are quite low end, so shouldn't be a problem < 1316976419 149290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You aren't fooling anybody. < 1316976421 806839 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since I don't have intel) < 1316976422 302133 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "it's more of the same" in that it continues its awesome premise but adds more complexity to it. okay. < 1316976429 219626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what does the asterisk refer to? I know there are people who were fooled < 1316976442 966081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the ending is very clever, too < 1316976444 91307 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I don't have Intel either, I have a bit of cardboard. < 1316976444 552460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It seems like it's only up to level twenty, but maybe there are other restrictions too < 1316976452 706936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh right, even worse < 1316976452 960012 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it is cardboard from an Intel box, I'm told. < 1316976455 493729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's basically "no interaction with other people" < 1316976461 581974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha < 1316976465 48578 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I thought the free trial was a week up to level 10 < 1316976466 361183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as the level cap < 1316976469 394165 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it was whenever I played. < 1316976471 201294 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: a cardboard able to do 2D graphics. What will they think of next... < 1316976473 392326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: it's been generalised < 1316976477 811941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSORPG < 1316976480 439350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's indefinite, but you can't interact with other people and there's a level cap < 1316976480 649462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :singleplayer < 1316976503 278422 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1316976524 810534 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that defeats the point of WoW doesn't it? < 1316976537 638885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :O RLY < 1316976549 882320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: WoW is a boredom simulator < 1316976552 57267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal mad < 1316976555 710174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works just as well at that singleplayer as multiplayer < 1316976559 435164 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1316976563 875016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you tried it? < 1316976568 535116 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION played a character to level 85, got his character raid ready, and then quit after deciding it was more or less an addicting chore.
< 1316976569 59711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think the boredom is slightly less addictive singleplayer < 1316976574 678418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so do I < 1316976584 223469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/slightly/significantly/ :P < 1316976586 164707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: at least you broke free < 1316976595 944186 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never played WoW < 1316976609 87272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I'd have been very surprised if you had < 1316976628 230569 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :85, btw, being max level. I guess that's kind of like winning except it's not really because you still waste a shit ton more time getting raid and pvp gear. < 1316976634 163917 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically you never win you just lose shit tons of time. < 1316976642 240512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: raid being? < 1316976648 653563 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure I had... 18 days of playtime when I quit. < 1316976649 983160 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :roughly < 1316976657 616244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a bunch of people cooperating to take on a boss < 1316976658 544140 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1316976664 462445 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah okay. < 1316976670 851841 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you go into a dungeon place and kill NPCs with 10 or 25 other people. < 1316976681 699519 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: the point being? < 1316976695 519000 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get more raid gear to repeat the process. < 1316976697 924247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: something to do with your stats < 1316976712 475265 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1316976713 130753 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's an element of challenge in coordinating that many people, and the bosses require you to do some slightly non-trivial things. < 1316976718 716593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yay, it burned properly this time < 1316976727 781580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the advantages of sitting completely still while bending awkwardly to type < 1316976744 507364 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: hm, I have to say I would rather sink time into an elder scroll game than that... < 1316976757 824897 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I'd rather play dwarf fortress... < 1316976761 789916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK so < 1316976761 808271 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, oblivion and so on is kind of cool but I would never play it to 100% completion < 1316976763 432813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if I die < 1316976764 418013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then < 1316976766 408192 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or FUCKING PEN AND PAPER < 1316976767 556709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: computers are explosive < 1316976768 214010 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: or that yes < 1316976769 530629 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no one wants to play that. < 1316976780 764847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Fucking pen and paper does not sound like the greatest pasttime. < 1316976785 546710 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I have NWN1, it saves on the effort of rolling the dice < 1316976799 401097 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play online, with dice rolling programs. < 1316976801 865713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See "y'all mofos" (as they say on the street) in N times. < 1316976804 167087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1316976804 666199 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1316976819 468079 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also a single-player computer game can't simulate a pen and paper experience ever. < 1316976825 547416 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless there's strong AI. < 1316976845 699596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: anyway, I do kind of look forward to skyrim. I will definitely try it at least. I hope it will be good, but I will probably not play more than a few days of game time in total in it. < 1316976860 163068 :tiffany!~tiffany@fl-76-3-19-168.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1316976864 88119 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ridiculous how much time you can waste on < 1316976865 224006 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :WoW < 1316976874 615586 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :without even realizing it, or caring, or thinking it's excessive. < 1316976880 861954 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wasn't there supposed to be like 300 hours of gameplay in skyrim? yeaaah no I don't have that time) < 1316976926 128266 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :WoW's marketing strategy is basically to get you to play for free. < 1316976929 765943 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's like crack. < 1316976930 209125 :tiffany!~tiffany@fl-76-3-19-168.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1316976930 812063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're probably 1 hour repeated 300 times < 1316976961 301258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm slightly more optimistic: 1.5 hours repeated 200 times < 1316976974 262122 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: however healing was actually pretty fun simply because there was challenge to it. < 1316976983 335326 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything else was button mashing. < 1316976988 502493 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but then I'm a slow player whenever there is a game with stuff I can pick up. I try to find everything before leaving an area. < 1316977001 495987 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: how is healing done then? < 1316977038 529119 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: by mashing buttons with some forethought involved. < 1316977044 277199 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.... < 1316977056 156289 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other features do you want in your pinball game with portals? < 1316977062 567911 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hotkey mmos look excessively boring. < 1316977086 921199 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you have 4, or 10, or 25 people to keep alive, and healing takes cast time and mana so you have to balance all of these factors or else everyone dies and has to start over... < 1316977111 871356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: only matters if you are a healer I guess < 1316977144 917201 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not really but for the most part yes. < 1316977155 578417 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so boring then < 1316977156 564420 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1316977156 628967 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :DACHGESCHOSS < 1316977201 173915 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I prefer a game with somewhat more to the battle than just that. I have to say that Deus Ex HR has very good battle (apart from that I'm bad at aiming at moving enemies, but that is not a problem of the game really) < 1316977202 323754 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!wacro < 1316977230 628014 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's just varied enough to make it mindlessly addicting but it's more or less the same routine. < 1316977232 436655 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :witcher 2, another good example. There is more than just mashing buttons. < 1316977247 743389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: which one? deus ex!? < 1316977262 689294 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially with DPS (the damage-dealing role) when you're DPS basically your strategy consists of memorizing a rotation that results in the highest damage per second. < 1316977265 647955 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no wow < 1316977269 270122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1316977269 435380 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never played that game < 1316977287 564027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: speaking of which, what does DPS stand for? I seen it sometimes but never bothered to check < 1316977292 336493 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :damage per second. < 1316977300 221705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1316977306 467772 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what they do, is maximize that. < 1316977347 889084 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :tank isn't much better. Basically tanking involves paying some attention to the enemies so they don't stray off and attack other people, and then smash keys wildly as your rotation doesn't matter as much. < 1316977375 17784 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: in deus ex: human revolution at least, sneaking is very important part of combat, or avoiding combat (technically you can avoid killing anyone in the whole game apart from the 3 or so bosses) < 1316977381 762963 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr CakeProphets Novel on Wow Strategy < 1316977401 522797 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's interesting I've always liked stealth in games, when done well. < 1316977416 25213 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've often considered a game that isn't very combat-oriented but instead relies on stealth and puzzles. < 1316977416 685689 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: it works well in deus ex, but then it is single player only < 1316977450 486595 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :your character would have powers such as being able to blend into darkness (even more so when not moving very much) and being able to see through walls and read minds. < 1316977456 835696 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: only complaint I have about deus ex hr really is that the graphics are not as awesome as the graphics in witcher 2. But then I haven't seen any game with that level of graphics. < 1316977461 744052 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(other than witcher 2) < 1316977464 374796 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with probably some crazy complicated control scheme like assassin's creed. < 1316977477 851919 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but more crazy and complicated. < 1316977501 421448 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: oh and there are usually several alternative routes for going anywhere in deus ex: hr. And if you want to max out experience you get you should actually do non-lethal takedowns < 1316977551 728017 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the only elements of the game I've figured out: the wall-seeing and possibly a mind-reading element as a source of fragmented hints. I see the story and interface kind of building fluidly to immerse you in the game. < 1316977558 799723 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : your character would have powers such as being able to blend into darkness (even more so when not moving very much) and being able to see through walls and read minds. <-- see through wall is in the skill tree of deus ex hr, it drains your batteries though < 1316977562 419949 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's difficult to do with complex schemed without saying "do this shit to make this happen okay?" < 1316977573 963638 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you play as a cyborg basically, after the tutorial bit) < 1316977612 130226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: and I should probably try out assassin's creed some time. It is quite old though iirc? < 1316977620 779489 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, if that's a requirement, yes < 1316977622 923598 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the graphics like compared to state-of-the-art today < 1316977633 140311 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend II though because it fixes a lot of the cons of that game. < 1316977633 304484 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: what is a requirement? < 1316977647 636712 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh nevermind I like to misread things horribly. < 1316977649 993472 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it's old. < 1316977656 237366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I have a high-end card that is just a few months old, I want awesome graphics < 1316977661 991931 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :play magicka < 1316977663 306693 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :best game < 1316977669 387216 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :$10 < 1316977669 405294 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I tried. I die all the time < 1316977677 265415 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the magicka master. < 1316977679 899783 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I like the humour though < 1316977693 453759 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cross-language humour in the spoken dialogue is especially amusing < 1316977694 117640 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play co-op and dominate with my mad skills < 1316977703 37655 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, I want to, but a) craputer, b) Windows and c) it will never live up to the Yogscast and TotalBiscuit playthroughs. < 1316977708 592022 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes is that an actual language? it sounds to me like a strange pidgin. < 1316977723 145783 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: it is a made up language with a few phrases of English and Swedish mixed in < 1316977738 359023 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay. < 1316977742 323162 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I thought. < 1316977754 36307 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's really only like maybe 8 spells you need to know < 1316977760 619477 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to kill anything very quickly. < 1316977771 137494 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :defend yourself, become immune to things, etc. < 1316977771 797518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: still if you know Swedish you will notice that every now and then it doesn't match the text dialogue at all. < 1316977802 567545 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I think in the most recent patch they made QERASR less completely overpowered < 1316977806 350589 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: like instead of villager I heard "fjant" which means something like "silly person" < 1316977809 805537 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to have an immunity shield to cast it and not instantly die. < 1316977828 899265 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: QERASR being? < 1316977843 512914 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :QERASR + sword cast = massive line of electrified arcane steam ice rocks. < 1316977856 999527 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1316977858 154534 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :freezes and then electricutes. < 1316977863 610020 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with massive damage < 1316977865 252913 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: is it a thing from one of the books? < 1316977868 211059 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1316977870 679110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a normal combined spell? < 1316977871 173055 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a normal spell < 1316977871 704444 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1316977878 294349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to try it < 1316977897 563269 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :QFQFASA is another good one. it's the spell for lightning storm but just use the normal spell as lightning storm usually kills you. < 1316977920 305506 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I found that going with the vietnam thingy for the character then casting a bubble shield and standing right next to the shield let me shoot through it with the gun < 1316977930 824804 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless against other wizards since I tend to get burnt then < 1316977946 932669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :might have been in an old version < 1316977965 920466 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :edfff is good, volcano barriers. also edrrr which is cold volcano barriers. both good for defense. edddd is the best for complete defense with no damage. < 1316977969 50438 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: vietnam is crap < 1316977999 391258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: yes but the character from it I meant. Works well against the bomb throwing goblins < 1316978008 769941 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been months since I've played this game... I just have these combinations drilled into my brain. < 1316978018 75659 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :frankly Magicka is too much fast paced action for me to manage < 1316978025 622457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be easier in co-op < 1316978035 655098 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :co-op is laggy and crashy and you die a lot. < 1316978039 430798 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people suck at reviving < 1316978046 688578 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I already die in single player a lot... < 1316978051 784573 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes all of two seconds to revive someone < 1316978057 76389 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet people can't manage it somehow. < 1316978083 231957 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: QFSAFE + self cast = temporary immunity to most damaging elements < 1316978094 934902 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful when around other wizards, friend or foe. < 1316978106 452774 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also useful mnemonic < 1316978132 410451 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: mhm. really I can't really manage it. Also the check point system is annoying. I would have preferred a quick save system for a game that hard. < 1316978161 162180 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :single player becomes incredibly easy once you learn all of the overpowered spells though... < 1316978165 104094 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :vietnam is still difficult though. < 1316978168 391800 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :arena is the best. < 1316978169 215737 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: right < 1316978190 665936 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked the checkpoint system I recall. < 1316978214 139630 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1316978217 596070 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: too few of them < 1316978275 409527 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a wizard's life is tough, okay. < 1316978293 977559 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: sure, but the game is way too fast paced for me to manage it. < 1316978302 541253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just not good at that type of game. < 1316978305 175822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1316978316 289608 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: focus more on being awesome. < 1316978319 243893 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :works all the time. < 1316978320 725527 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1316978342 925966 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even thinking half of the time I play that game. < 1316978344 76262 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: hm. I'm good at some games though. Nethack for example. < 1316978354 274873 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have actually never played a single rogue-like < 1316978354 774163 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it involves a lot of thought < 1316978377 118054 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/Vj1SwqmH Esotope is now the fastest Whirl interpreter. < 1316978394 944483 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I'm much better at games that require a lot of thinking than those that require quick actions. < 1316978394 962580 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah magicka is in a class of games that requires reaction time, like first person shooters. Except people who are good at those games aren't good at magicka because of the spell combos. < 1316978396 607564 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...still a lot slower than Brainfuck tho < 1316978398 579938 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1316978413 579809 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: magicka can require both for sure. but yes it's very fast thinking. < 1316978437 854456 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: deus ex: hr is a FPS mixed with an RPG (and it works) but thanks to stealth I can be good at it too. < 1316978453 491579 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the trick is to continuously put yourself in situations to give you time to think. For example, rock barriers are very good for that purpose as they act as decoys basically. < 1316978461 581051 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1316978468 190416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : CakeProphet: uh are you trying to poke another thread and insert an exception in it? < 1316978474 442876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc supports that. < 1316978483 157402 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized how dirty that sounds. < 1316978483 686679 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so non-functional :( < 1316978494 676408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's in the IO Monad of course :P < 1316978495 1516 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: also I found it hard to remember all those key combos in magicka. < 1316978499 608838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that didn't help < 1316978507 24341 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah it's difficult starting off. < 1316978540 927727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait actually it may not be in the IO monad, after all exceptions are not so in general < 1316978558 755244 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I suck at memorising codes and so on. Getting a new bank card = nightmare. < 1316978561 55573 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: uh, something involve threads not in the IO monad?? < 1316978565 331661 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*involving < 1316978578 992099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is checking that
< 1316978582 938186 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: people memorize their account numbers and such? < 1316978592 145713 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that's what the card was for. < 1316978595 766191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: no I meant the code for using it when paying < 1316978597 487878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: PIN number, possibly < 1316978598 400170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 4 digit code. < 1316978600 357797 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :debit card < 1316978601 3612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, PIN < 1316978602 533781 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that < 1316978605 173043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but everyone calls it "PIN number" anyway < 1316978616 746151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the extent that I believe that's now the correct term for it < 1316978621 63698 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well yes that's only 1 thing to remember < 1316978626 156515 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: 4 digits is hard to remember, something like qassdqwe is even worse < 1316978630 756617 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to however-many-spell-combos there are in magica. < 1316978634 540827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whatever that does in magicka) < 1316978643 358245 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as simple as 10^10 because some combinations don't exist. < 1316978644 673923 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I just randomly hit a few buttons) < 1316978664 829727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: hm no you are right, throwTo is only in the IO monad < 1316978664 991163 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lol < 1316978681 601553 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I wonder if people will start saying PINN for "PIN number" leading to "PINN number" in the future < 1316978689 358399 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: when PIN is used in the adjective context it stands for Personal Identification Numeric < 1316978698 69308 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :VCS System < 1316978706 721540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I doubt it < 1316978723 648886 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: same. and that is sad < 1316978724 634223 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or whatever suitable for N.) < 1316978740 478464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Personal Identification Numeric Number? < 1316978745 255952 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1316978789 845754 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my point is that everyone uses PIN as an adjective so it is being retroactively re-acronymed < 1316978792 805109 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1316978819 56467 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, car keys seems to be getting larger over time. Modern ones are quite a lot larger than ones from the early 90s in my experience. < 1316978829 762258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess it is all that extra electronics < 1316978859 420496 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: qassdqwe is equivalent to aqde which is the "arcane water volcano" spell. < 1316978868 86826 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I see. < 1316978875 163667 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the s's and w's cancel as do the a's and q's < 1316978886 386665 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see, yet there is one aq left? < 1316978916 812405 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: what. < 1316978928 27270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aqua destructor < 1316978929 510471 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm... < 1316978941 843150 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are we talking about < 1316978951 47637 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdqe actually < 1316978961 896763 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: magicka < 1316978986 680109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT AS BACKRONYMIC < 1316978988 651355 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: and sdqe is? < 1316978997 42180 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: which is still the arcane water volcano. wets things near it, can take a certain amount of damage, and then explodes upon being destroyed. < 1316979005 424026 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1316979057 759990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :senatus delenda quousque est < 1316979071 8433 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: best game ever. < 1316979071 830071 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :play it < 1316979076 598092 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with your awesome gaming computer. < 1316979099 130918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :magicka doesn't exactly require a high end system < 1316979099 625614 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1316979103 897976 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :be inspired to become a great wizard. < 1316979107 846116 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it does actually. < 1316979119 552811 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :higher-end than my Dell Inspiron 15 actually. < 1316979120 699968 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: really? it is fairly basic 3D < 1316979128 511333 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: with a physics engine < 1316979139 852468 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: done on the GPU or the CPU? < 1316979140 342745 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and particle effects. < 1316979149 917087 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no idea actually. < 1316979152 382131 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: come on, even NWN1 had particle effects < 1316979170 649542 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure the magicka ones are a bit more advanced < 1316979173 104027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not THAT much < 1316979179 682241 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't play Magicka but I can play WoW and Borderlands on my laptop < 1316979193 64066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: never played borderlands, any good? (and what genre?) < 1316979196 23414 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: wrong < 1316979201 653844 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: uh? < 1316979208 67072 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nomic < 1316979217 602757 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: RPG FPS. more mindless fun games. < 1316979222 39540 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the thinking games. < 1316979246 188052 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: ah, so RPG FPS without stealth being a central part of the game? < 1316979246 210786 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also my laptop can play STARCRAFT 2 < 1316979247 993700 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not magicka < 1316979253 946757 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah not much stealth < 1316979254 900372 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never played starcraft 2, can't compare < 1316979274 53110 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think the issue is that Magicka has no configurable graphics settings < 1316979280 135943 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's a small indie game. < 1316979283 261336 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a small budget. < 1316979298 437785 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I find stealth is what makes deus ex hr fun for me. You get bonuses for stuff like finishing a mission without ever being seen by an enemy. Or even without ever making them alarmed. < 1316979314 54633 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: I think the issue is that Magicka has no configurable graphics settings <-- iirc you can set resolution? < 1316979318 200865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hyle"? < 1316979338 179775 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: pretty sure I would have ditched it if I couldn't have gotten native res < 1316979338 839000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a most prepromorphic histoword < 1316979342 290538 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't remember but you can't turn off all the particles and shaders and textures and physics. < 1316979364 828112 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: right. But then I can play witcher 2 with everything but supersampling. I wouldn't have noticed. < 1316979365 833667 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1316979402 656453 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the definition of high-end, but my laptop can play many games with good graphics but not Magicka. < 1316979415 371684 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also you might like sc2 but it's another one of those games that require fast-paced thinking < 1316979418 212576 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :more so than Magicka. < 1316979418 711792 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: and witcher 2 is very demanding. The specs at https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/The_Witcher_2%3A_Assassins_of_Kings#Development seems a bit of the low end even for recommended. < 1316979426 510895 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: what genre? < 1316979436 380058 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :having your opening strategy to pinpoint precision is essentially to 1v1 < 1316979438 182463 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :RTS < 1316979443 774118 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*essential < 1316979444 128627 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell no < 1316979449 528596 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :best RTS ever imo < 1316979455 119498 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :RTS is boring as shit unless it is hard as shit < 1316979455 286775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : CakeProphet: fantasy names tend to follow some sort of pattern, I can't quite imagine "fielinibuuersillionsceuendecon" in any sort of fantasy setting. Not even a parody one < 1316979461 697027 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no it's the best. < 1316979465 150089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tolkien ents. just saying. < 1316979472 577085 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: touche < 1316979481 143299 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I have not yet seen a RTS I liked. < 1316979485 584814 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's difficult when it's competitive 1v1 < 1316979508 308797 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also it's not a lame RTS. very barebones compared to most. < 1316979512 908997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it would clearly be a bit on the short side for them < 1316979518 664479 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I prefer to play single player in most game. Never really liked multiplayer except for flight simulators and minecraft. < 1316979522 715959 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack is the best rts ever < 1316979532 144494 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope starcraft 2 < 1316979541 58588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: nethack is not an rts.... < 1316979566 842920 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is only because you don't play it like one. < 1316979587 304276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1316979589 770919 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah RTS can be boring if you play them in a boring manner < 1316979592 895841 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't do that in multiplayer < 1316979595 854187 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you will be crushed. < 1316979616 978860 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I don't enjoy multiplayer for most games I tried it for. < 1316979619 281903 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :starcraft is a sport in Korea.. < 1316979619 773384 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sort of dislike multiplayer computer games < 1316979636 398005 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tends to prefer multiplayer games unless they're very intricate or puzzley
< 1316979642 153679 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Portal and Dwarf Fortress. < 1316979645 111625 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :are good examples. < 1316979647 414704 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I like multiplayer for flightsims, it is not competitive there. < 1316979662 748034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: neither of those games HAVE multiplayer so the point is moot < 1316979669 717122 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I'm saying... < 1316979674 116121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think portal 2 might have co-op though < 1316979676 90400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1316979677 737070 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does. < 1316979692 369917 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :favorite fighting game = super smash bros. brawl :) < 1316979698 820250 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :again for multiplayer only. < 1316979731 877734 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, tried fighting games.. No < 1316979743 855068 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :smash bros. is not a normal fighting game though. < 1316979749 936730 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike fighting games as well. < 1316979755 853795 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a platform/fighter < 1316979762 997492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I tried the one for N64. < 1316979779 133266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just like a fighting game with Nintendo characters IMO < 1316979812 556250 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeh < 1316979820 121420 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I think that a good story is probably the most important part of an RPG. Sure good gameplay is vital too, but without a good story it just doesn't work. Which is one of the weaker points of Oblivion. < 1316979833 322958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: okay a bit more jumping sure < 1316979834 474639 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the games I enjoy playing have almost no story. with some exceptions. < 1316979863 319435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would go as far as saying that oblivion was a bad game with an absurdly excellent terrain generator. Which made it worth playing. < 1316979866 789110 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to enjoy games as a competition or a puzzle or for strategy. < 1316979882 206017 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I play RPGs to immerse myself into the story. < 1316979915 362480 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: that is one reason I like Witcher 2, you make choices that affect the outcome of the game in major ways. Often there is no clear "right" answer either. < 1316979921 218861 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like games with good stories < 1316979922 775178 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of replay value in that < 1316979926 592907 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if the game itself is very simple < 1316979944 445540 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get two completely different chapter 2 depending on your choices in chapter 1 < 1316980005 706514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION imagines a galactic wargame in which the turn system is based on lightspeed communication delay
< 1316980014 916587 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: heh < 1316980037 208911 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so you might see the old state of a remote battle for example? < 1316980047 891602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1316980054 819221 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds quite interesting. < 1316980061 891417 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure it would work out, but you should code it < 1316980071 92186 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it could be the next big indie thing if you code that! < 1316980093 817128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have to stop your turn once there has been enough time for one of your enemies to be able to respond < 1316980123 716068 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh? I assume the time would be speed up compared to real time? < 1316980135 930144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd lead to an obvious multiplayer impl, ofc < 1316980142 98846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you allow for relativistic effects? < 1316980142 309647 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh? < 1316980160 536950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: multiplayer synchronization is a hard problem because of communication delay < 1316980164 171778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :relativistic effects should be fine < 1316980165 336320 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1316980170 708652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in this case, the communication delay is part of the game, so... < 1316980197 177151 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you would have to add more delay though to match up to the simulated in-game delay < 1316980278 207129 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, CakeProphet went silent, why? < 1316980293 777206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: adding delay is much easier than removing it... < 1316980301 84942 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well yes < 1316980316 49592 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I suggest oerjan implement this < 1316980325 963746 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be the next big indie hit < 1316980332 40804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan doesn't strike me as the sort of person likely to implement a wargame < 1316980346 334457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true < 1316980349 582164 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; it is far more likely he'd wage war for reals. < 1316980358 225537 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite < 1316980435 250870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: was about to say something to that effect :P < 1316980482 595575 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: bacon < 1316980489 172052 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :die < 1316980494 771844 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what. < 1316980500 51754 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1316980502 512368 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: die what < 1316980504 811046 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should die < 1316980507 116065 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: bacon what? < 1316980517 900485 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: re: CakeProphet went silent < 1316980525 834632 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonsense bacon obsession should die < 1316980529 983083 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out how to sort this Steam store alphabetically. There's just tabs for "new releases", "top sellers", "coming soon" and "specials". < 1316980535 703912 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: yes the discussion we had was interesting. Why did you stop it? < 1316980549 269419 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: sometimes I wish your auto-hate switch weren't engaged. < 1316980556 107381 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because I was hungry so I started cooking bacon... < 1316980557 911738 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can continue. < 1316980560 707566 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1316980572 87044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: read up on stuff since you left then < 1316980575 376545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whacks monqy on the head with the saucepan ===\__/
< 1316980581 295104 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1316980591 497944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, monqy: chocolate < 1316980613 454829 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :chocolate-coated bacon crisps! < 1316980618 221742 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmh < 1316980660 917443 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once was working on an Android game that was to be similar to a metroid shooter, but with a control that allowed you to shoot in all 360 degrees, and with puzzles based on localized time-slowing missiles, platforming, reflecting lasers off of mirrors, and other things I haven't thought of yet. < 1316980687 349925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr a discussion somewhere about where there was any food which wasn't improved by adding either chocolate or bacon. < 1316980687 634936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, nothing like Metroid at all, then? < 1316980691 631647 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the speed of light delay would be interesting, especially if it were more of a civilization game than a wargame. < 1316980705 781967 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also you could make it like df which would mitigate the need to provide graphics, allowing you to instead focus on complexity. < 1316980722 564290 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: okay so garlic then. You can't go wrong with garlic. < 1316980722 967992 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 JOIN :#esoteric < 1316980725 181393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish you would stop using the word "you" there >:P < 1316980731 721031 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes just metroid in that it was a sidescrolling shooter. < 1316980732 255307 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got this wonderful captcha for the web chat: http://i.imgur.com/N7vSr.jpg < 1316980733 365820 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Regarding food: if it's empty, fill it with cream. < 1316980741 425752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what? me? < 1316980741 755769 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good catpcha < 1316980743 72219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh it might have been garlic < 1316980744 142826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metroid is mostly not a shooter < 1316980744 312890 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone bow to its glory. < 1316980748 354755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more of a platformer < 1316980749 153391 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bowing < 1316980749 982276 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fine I'll add it to my list of to-brainstorm games. :P < 1316980750 446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: argh! < 1316980752 332254 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The glory of cesphic "Tuffy". < 1316980756 719343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what? < 1316980764 55432 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Garlic and coca-cola is a somehow iffy combination, but that might be just me. < 1316980765 697741 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is ellion? < 1316980776 357271 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm new. < 1316980781 680386 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hm never tried that one. Will have to one day < 1316980783 798081 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was here a few years ago but then I became a robot. < 1316980789 15276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: so you are not just elliott then? < 1316980795 529228 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1316980797 723542 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live in Hexham. < 1316980801 472949 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet there's nobody else HERE from Hexham. < 1316980807 832802 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay you are elliott. :P < 1316980828 751462 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's not elliott he's ellion < 1316980830 885179 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally different. < 1316980835 764367 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new Finder opens strangely low on the screen. < 1316980838 450334 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :from hexham < 1316980838 616345 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I haven't really deliberately "tried" it, it's just that coca-cola always tests weird after garlicy-enough something-else. < 1316980841 106963 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :using os x < 1316980853 964688 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah okay < 1316980856 101488 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :recently upgraded to new < 1316980856 595641 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ah yes that's a lot of bad things that bad people do < 1316980858 580781 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be elliott then < 1316980864 850553 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha, this is funny < 1316980869 256616 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexham a bad place for bad people < 1316980878 576790 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can go "back" in Safari by scrolling horizontally left from the leftmost point < 1316980885 560915 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And forwards by doing the opposite < 1316980888 560758 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a zoom UI, kind of < 1316980893 434418 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: what if the page already scrolls sideways? < 1316980900 329641 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Like I said, leftmost/rightmost < 1316980904 613331 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1316980907 427347 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's some resistance < 1316980909 486529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I bet there's nobody else HERE from Hexham. <-- i wonder what you'd say if a third one _did_ show up. apart from AYEEEEH. < 1316980913 101701 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: ah okay < 1316980918 124776 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's funny, you can peek at the page you were on a second ago by doing it partially :P < 1316980925 276276 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is left/right scroll inverted too? I remember something about up/down being inverted < 1316980930 900090 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I would start checking whether I was on any government watch lists. < 1316980935 367691 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Yes. < 1316980937 104004 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "AYEEEEH"? < 1316980940 220756 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quite like that bit actually. < 1316980946 474858 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mobile Firefox has its control buttoniers on the left/right edge of the screen, and you view them by trying to scroll more left/right than there is page for. Or something like that. < 1316980956 507058 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: I would start checking whether I was on any government watch lists. <-- hey, I'm the paranoid one < 1316981006 234362 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So let's see if I can trigger this system-wide spell-correcter thing. < 1316981006 897859 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: anyway, as I said, I think story is key to a good RPG. < 1316981019 844694 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should post a nicely graphic-designed #esoteric ad on some sort of Hexham central noticeboard whatever; the place obviously has potential. < 1316981024 970244 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it would be nice if actual physics were considered in space combat < 1316981025 683427 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :antidsiestablishemntarisanism. Oh come on, that was an obvious one. < 1316981036 992740 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example any kind of projectile would require some kind of counterbalancing force to keep the ship steady. < 1316981039 269719 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I volunteer to not. < 1316981041 619245 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless of course it were an energy weapon. < 1316981054 479799 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, there it triggered. < 1316981062 416894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: where? < 1316981068 208028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: and how do you override it? < 1316981079 252463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: "your enemy shoots a flake of paint at you. you die." < 1316981091 488258 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can turn it off, but it seems to be very very conservative considering how hard a time I'm having at getting it to activate. < 1316981093 257220 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: anyway system wide spell correction for a PC sounds bad. Likely to be painful when writing code too. < 1316981093 275415 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ....? why? < 1316981119 410022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: have you not _heard_ of space debris? < 1316981151 708898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose there might be some countermeasure. < 1316981163 389805 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :space lasers < 1316981179 11677 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, some kind of metal ship hull? < 1316981188 95920 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: obvious way put an atmosphere around the ship, needs some sort of way to handle gravity to make it work < 1316981190 724690 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good countermeasure for paint flakes < 1316981201 589918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: what do you think ISS is made of? < 1316981207 230017 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Do you stop talking about RPGs at any point in this log? < 1316981212 169371 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is the high speeds < 1316981213 681869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: not when the flake is moving at 200 000 km/s < 1316981215 631952 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :artificial gravity = spin around a lot < 1316981222 372868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: only one way to find out: read on < 1316981245 872095 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: wrong way of gravity to get an atmosphere though < 1316981310 835239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall when i read the forever war comics, the aliens shot tiny projectiles at near light speed at one point, one of which hit and devastated a section of the human ship < 1316981310 853311 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :having an atmosphere would just be a) airtight b) fill with CO2 c) plants < 1316981319 33035 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:55:25: nonsense bacon obsession should die < 1316981321 920810 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: bacon is pretty nice, am i bad :( < 1316981348 328284 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: wouldn't help with burning up debris unless it was on the outside. duh < 1316981349 152700 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mostly when people obsess over it or say "bacon" a lot that it's bad < 1316981369 49009 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I wasn't really talking about gravity and atmosphere in the context of space debris though. < 1316981378 729531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ellion = elliott, btw? < 1316981379 668820 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1316981387 496347 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: most likely < 1316981388 811838 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer other foods to bacon, but bacon's okay for eating < 1316981394 166820 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :both are from hexham, both use os x < 1316981414 938038 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep -iP ".*?CakeProphet.*?bacon" /var/logs/_esoteric/* | wc -l < 1316981416 718178 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: Support for the -P option is not compiled into this --disable-perl-regexp binary \ 0 < 1316981417 473257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it certainly could be < 1316981421 881849 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :waaaa < 1316981428 125848 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep -ie ".*?CakeProphet.*?bacon" /var/logs/_esoteric/* | wc -l < 1316981429 753175 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: /var/logs/_esoteric/*: No such file or directory \ 0 < 1316981436 17427 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some day i will use webchat and pick a weird name and claim to be from hexham < 1316981439 642679 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1316981441 433423 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ wisdom < 1316981450 98930 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: webchat exposes your ip < 1316981452 525422 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well < 1316981456 457264 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least a hash of it, which I guess matters less < 1316981462 363510 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, IP too < 1316981474 707081 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, but is anyone dedicated to look into it < 1316981478 323444 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1316981481 118169 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dedicated enough < 1316981496 648930 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and expose webchat-me < 1316981497 983344 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you claimed to be from Hexham: yes. < 1316981499 933278 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep -ie ".*?CakeProphet.*?bacon" /var/irclogs/_esoteric/* | wc -l < 1316981500 408368 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GeoIP. < 1316981500 427085 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the fraud he will be < 1316981520 282978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Wednesday, August 31, 2011] [12:19:31 am] Join elliott_ has joined this channel (~elliott@95.149.228.192). < 1316981532 62700 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1316981535 95035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: when did you last reboot your router? < 1316981536 272790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i assume an atmosphere that could protect against debris would need to be rather large < 1316981554 631519 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I, um, fairly recently? < 1316981574 276507 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: or dense < 1316981593 443848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I conclude that, despite all the evidence, you are actually not elliott < 1316981595 512954 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the fullscreen thing seems to be pretty well executed < 1316981599 147317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: may be lying) < 1316981618 941340 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :best defense against space debris: AI and space lasers. < 1316981619 370721 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs Software Update.
< 1316981624 534342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: perhaps it would work if your outer shell was self-repairing. except you'd lose some atmosphere at each hit. < 1316981626 997777 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really have the energy to try and get anything running on here now. < 1316981632 98354 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: i assume an atmosphere that could protect against debris would need to be rather large <-- or very dense perhaps? < 1316981632 572455 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'll just burn an Ubuntu CD. < 1316981651 400086 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the majority of space debris would not actually cause major damage to your vessel < 1316981671 785894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the majority is very small? < 1316981673 601919 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So has anyone used 11.10 beta two? < 1316981689 291919 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu, that is. < 1316981722 336413 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, I'll do this update. < 1316981758 729923 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I suppose I'll try the pseudo-orthogonal-persistence stuff. < 1316981761 506536 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fanaticalvps.com/unmetered-vps.php Hm < 1316981776 194878 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not more fly-by-wire? < 1316981788 302634 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants to make a df-like somehow involving dinosaurs and space.
< 1316981795 83959 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Those plans look distinctly inferior to prgmr's, especially in that they're lying through their teeth. < 1316981799 92424 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weeell < 1316981804 444522 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose they're not saying UNLIMITED. < 1316981817 274136 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if anyone uses their "unmetered" bandwidth to its capacity, either < 1316981820 463416 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) the whole thing will crash and burn or < 1316981824 473856 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b) they'll get kicked off for "unreasonable use". < 1316981824 777639 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"German datacenter" might not be lying. < 1316981831 183784 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, it might be. < 1316981834 408726 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: I'm "hm"ing about it for exactly that :P < 1316981848 473667 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Dreamhost used to get infamous from advertising much the same rubbish. < 1316981859 486669 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/used to get/got/ < 1316981862 289743 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/got/became/ < 1316981867 113554 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have a '?' in there to explain what 'unmetered' means. < 1316981868 431192 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All VPS's come with an unmetered, shared 1000mbps connection < 1316981868 597618 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :We will never suspend VPS's for bandwidth overages, or charge for extra bandwidth. < 1316981872 54125 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since this is a shared connection, one VPS isn't allowed to slow down other VM's. This is rarely an issue, if it does become a problem, we will contact the client to arrange a solution (move to a less busy node, etc). < 1316981875 998815 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, you can't expect a Super-Micro or Micro to push 2TB bandwidth/month. < 1316981886 974017 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We will never suspend VPS's for bandwidth overages, or charge for extra bandwidth. Since this is a shared connection, one VPS isn't allowed to slow down other VM's. This is rarely an issue, if it does become a problem, we will contact the client to arrange a solution (move to a less busy node, etc). < 1316981901 461415 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So basically, we'll never disconnect you for using too much bandwidth, unless you use too much bandwidth. < 1316981912 456367 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo Do I hear an echo? < 1316981912 621262 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I hear an echo? Do I hear an echo? < 1316981924 601978 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We guarantee all services 99.9% uptime, all our servers are monitored every minute to ensure they stay online all the time." < 1316981928 382121 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's, like, three nines. < 1316981935 154256 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's two more than the best number of nines. < 1316981938 321700 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errr < 1316981938 781193 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two less < 1316981941 665919 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fewer < 1316981955 553918 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reboot time < 1316981959 585778 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1316982077 680167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ha piam searan ms bitari spue dillad nalling reparoman coia flas infrureproursy zed haric thikirefallly wersts lasn besturem lignieassein bwn vitie uicled caphistiger shina hecomesltutwilled coloihohrapou nes phooone horrap bed pichermunawa roarbleo th mishoffeme shikkarre uniousioninooraigv res goez kringirthy towsk bion senth < 1316982096 658836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this all looks like a conlang except the words are too inconsistent < 1316982117 708384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't there be a really inconsistent conlang? < 1316982125 8824 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 JOIN :#esoteric < 1316982128 796821 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello welcome to an chamber < 1316982139 964715 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"phooone for youuuu!" < 1316982149 831757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the context was sort of fantasy < 1316982155 66372 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what fizzie < 1316982155 515440 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :waht < 1316982157 804754 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what fizzie < 1316982159 520478 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noooo < 1316982161 335733 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT. < 1316982162 969626 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :waht fizzie < 1316982164 314491 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1316982182 549283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it could be one language which borrows heavily from another one < 1316982223 428525 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`word 50 < 1316982225 75949 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: word: not found < 1316982233 870146 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mv bin/wacro bin/word < 1316982235 160856 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mv: missing destination file operand after `bin/wacro bin/word' \ Try `mv --help' for more information. < 1316982239 323627 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, it's actually quite unnerving having the application indicators gone. < 1316982243 398241 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv bin/wacro bin/word < 1316982245 19033 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1316982247 262562 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wacro 50 < 1316982248 893224 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wacro: not found < 1316982254 901618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1316982255 63518 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`word 50 < 1316982255 560695 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1316982257 34027 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nesurietemper duchke ala lampachedinacinstos merrum ter ger berbeis fol vo carted sekwey co td nalien billoprie ding menergal aus nifi pichdrane aansiecznynny parciell ung tre kertak boomcgrepbuch siuia irorby donia pridetissola cumrnbent psocclin reform amoldasper wiyak pentellaning izellellinanit pospor cel nuninatwealvandamah < 1316982261 640553 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: IT KEEPS HAPPENING < 1316982263 882811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: what's the UI like? < 1316982270 230949 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what does? :P < 1316982271 48809 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: for what? < 1316982273 646675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any good/bad/ugly/ first impressions < 1316982275 56420 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Them mistakes. < 1316982276 847317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: of the OS you just installed < 1316982278 484192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`word 10 < 1316982278 653278 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes. < 1316982280 565529 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh < 1316982280 717138 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :stur tensenti dener sicti rooktjin rie drenden fourptiau jarian jria < 1316982286 349774 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do that a lot. especially when not sleeping and stuff. < 1316982289 284985 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's largely similar to the previous version of OS X :P < 1316982297 354519 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the changes seem to be positive, though < 1316982302 504086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, so OS X isn't completely screwed up yet < 1316982309 544855 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I haven't been following; is this still the same English-books set? < 1316982314 313003 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1316982314 765896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I should ask about the terminal in particular, because AceHack < 1316982332 571721 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current version is not working but has the newest changes. < 1316982337 130877 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the elimination of scrollbars is a Good Idea, the new inverse-style scrolling seems nicer, the orthogonal persistence stuff (once you tweak the settings to turn it actually on; I suspect it will be default soon) is nice but unusual < 1316982349 975992 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it works; Gregor was whining about its speed a while ago but it's always been fine for me < 1316982351 463265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: somehow it doesn't look very english < 1316982353 930132 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm busy making money and procrastinating and doing school work but I should have a free day to finish it up soon. < 1316982354 433002 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it can now go into fullscreen though :P < 1316982365 351283 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: gimme the ace hack telnet? < 1316982366 223946 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1316982369 137517 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :acehack telnet < 1316982373 91413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :telnet acehack.rawrnix.com < 1316982385 5476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ssh games@acehack.sovrappensiero.info (password games) < 1316982387 30833 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rawrnix.com is a rather supremely bad domain name < 1316982396 234864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, why? < 1316982399 193403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's not my domain, btw) < 1316982408 757254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's easier to spell than sovrappensiero < 1316982412 396805 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just is :P < 1316982433 422813 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"rawr" is a silly word, "nix" is a bad thing to pay homage to (and what is "rawrnix" even playing on?), and the .com is probably wrong < 1316982435 80031 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOMAIN OPINIONS < 1316982453 397402 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: acehack.rawrnix.com password is usual password but with 0 instead of each digit < 1316982469 78341 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone lend me an ampersand? < 1316982472 213780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a good place to put password notes? < 1316982472 787222 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 < 1316982473 703493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :& < 1316982476 467300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: fail < 1316982476 622772 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1316982480 104287 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an at sign < 1316982481 584801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one in the topic, too < 1316982483 80797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ < 1316982484 302546 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it was intentional < 1316982487 579320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't one of those in the topic < 1316982508 637475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Esolang event @ Hel/Finland on 3.10.2011: https://wiki.helsinki.fi/display/lambda/esoteeriset+ohjelmointikielet | god bless haskell america | 12345678!&^@ | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1316982512 345625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm not sure anything important is on shifted numbers in Ace < 1316982512 926749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it is < 1316982513 585137 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :two of them < 1316982522 204556 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There was one after 'event' already. < 1316982524 16418 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ comes after event and before hel < 1316982524 345287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true < 1316982530 224928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, I didn't look there < 1316982544 584868 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there like < 1316982549 881058 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a program to generate these things somewhere? < 1316982551 864510 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi TOPIC #esoteric :Esolang event @ Hel/Finland on 3.10.2011: https://wiki.helsinki.fi/display/lambda/esoteeriset+ohjelmointikielet | god bless haskell america | 12345678!&^ | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1316982557 948319 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's not be wasteful. < 1316982560 982375 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you shouldn't list the continue game entry when it's not possible; it showed as red here, which my brain read as "selected" not "impossible" (use a bold black instead to get grey? that's the universal "disabled menu item" indication), and so I got confused for a few seconds, wondering what would happen if I did it, before realising what it meant < 1316982566 994267 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like @s grow on trees. < 1316982572 796835 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, if you don't list it, use a better colour :P < 1316982575 949908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: nothing will happen if you press it < 1316982585 356437 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: doesn't matter, < 1316982588 143434 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/,// < 1316982590 38666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use bolded black because it's buggy in many terminals < 1316982596 266849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. in gnome-terminal, the cursor won't show up against it < 1316982605 533475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and IIRC it's not the only one that has problems < 1316982606 722501 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't complaining about what would happen if I pressed it, I was complaining about the UI temporary disabling me :P < 1316982615 709400 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The N900 terminal (well, the library) renders bold-black as black. < 1316982623 961767 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, the cursor won't show on that anyway; but, OK, at least use something subdued rather than bright and angry < 1316982634 648539 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrr < 1316982634 875681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, red is subdued compared to white for me < 1316982636 732439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could explain it < 1316982657 640514 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom is subdued and angry? what now? < 1316982665 438856 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1316982686 785530 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, putting the cursor on the dot that represents "play" is suboptimal on OS X; the cursor is light grey by default, so I had to look closely to figure out (a) what the "highlight" meant and (b) what key it was < 1316982688 292081 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1316982697 948564 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm playing as elliott now, but will probably not actually play much < 1316982707 101267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1316982713 834742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't sure where else to put it < 1316982721 207807 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC you can hide the cursor < 1316982739 273060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, and if I'm lucky it might even be possible to do it portably and reliably! < 1316982743 184908 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you already know my general complaints about the in-game AceHack interface, but its irks fine with Terminal < 1316982749 798272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if I'm /really/ lucky, there might be a standard way of unhiding it again < 1316982754 546157 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the highlight on the player character is a bit annoying because of the cursor, but not highlighting the player would be unreasonable < 1316982757 633532 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's an ANSI code I think < 1316982765 802896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I might have forgotten the general complaints about the in-game interface < 1316982769 236016 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a way to quaff without typing a pound sign < 1316982776 880875 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you disagreed with them all strongly, so :) < 1316982779 495262 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: q < 1316982782 279810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1316982786 57949 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ansi codes are neato < 1316982799 793465 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that doesn't work, I'm trying to quaff a fountain, repeatedly < 1316982802 270842 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nice to get feedback about AceHack-on-Mac from someone other than kerio, anyway < 1316982806 810608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : exotontek <-- scifi setting, some big company < 1316982807 3288 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm < 1316982808 901859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: q, I think < 1316982809 365819 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it not let you? :( < 1316982818 687296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe q. < 1316982819 84697 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is , it < 1316982820 295951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly they're specializing in hauling cargo into space < 1316982823 849753 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes q, < 1316982833 426084 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame, nothing bad happened < 1316982850 40964 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`word 10 < 1316982851 697026 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ens krumqueleleutocki quan mig tonta ftr codiuinaton mct brin domfpirsverdew < 1316982853 823990 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes? < 1316982858 525393 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, what's Hept? < 1316982862 732035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the exotons < 1316982867 389539 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do I repeat an action? < 1316982867 912736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: heptagrams on the square < 1316982870 781087 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1316982871 370183 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 moves me diagonally, which is stupid < 1316982874 938924 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're like elbereths, they repel monsters < 1316982881 606886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and control-A is repeat; with luck, it might even work < 1316982882 919860 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: see: numpad < 1316982885 47285 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, . draws one appearently < 1316982887 692191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1316982894 13100 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are hectograms new? < 1316982894 977916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use s to wait without drawing < 1316982899 392919 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"DEC Private Mode (DECSET/DECRST) sequences: These are not described in ECMA-48. ESC [ ? 25 h: DECTECM (default on): Make cursor visible." [and s/h/l/ to hide it; but obviously that's not very de-jure standard] < 1316982901 654830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're a UI improvement of a vanilla feature < 1316982901 957044 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl+A doesn't work. < 1316982913 489335 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl+A 9 just moves diagonally < 1316982922 658410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean repeat count? # < 1316982923 293608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are somewhat unpopular, since they are using their main patent to get a stranglehold on the space cargo market < 1316982937 956424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how does the elbereth replacement work wrt number of turns to write and doing partial writing? < 1316982940 776237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope # isn't shift-3 for you, or it could be a little difficult to play without rebinding keys < 1316982944 39476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like writing and then adding later on < 1316982948 745568 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I just pasted it in < 1316982953 16095 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ummm, wow, # has a major bug < 1316982957 812558 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it doesn't stop when something bad happens < 1316982959 976546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you can't partially write one, you can write more than one, it costs the same number of turns as Elbereth itself < 1316982965 584425 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave it a huge count and ., and now I've fainted from lack of food < 1316982969 822740 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will presumably die once I hit enter < 1316982971 118010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: it does stop on several bad things happening < 1316982977 586413 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, not enough :P < 1316982978 392871 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so what is the difference? Not needing to write out the whole thing? < 1316982981 130278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :food dropping is not one of them, though, due to the vanilla code being broken there < 1316982986 140696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: compare E-y Elbereth to . < 1316982987 283108 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in the prompt < 1316983001 550505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the nicer interface for a commonly used action? < 1316983001 992007 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right, but that doesn't explain how to do a partial writing. < 1316983010 269954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can't do a partial writing, as I explained earlier < 1316983011 821816 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, it stopped when i fainted < 1316983015 521391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: yep < 1316983015 963852 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1316983021 393386 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I misread as "can" < 1316983024 524120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this patent consists of a vacuum-safe lubricant which prevents space elevators from unraveling. < 1316983028 638399 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think wormholes would be pretty essentially to a "realistic" space game. < 1316983033 641417 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I like how you can just casually walk around fainting every step < 1316983034 558556 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :als;kkdpokweqrpoksdfpokwerpoksdfpokewrtpoksdf < 1316983036 772880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a known bug with actions not stopping at food breakpoints < 1316983036 855563 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :essential < 1316983041 815167 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP elliott, killed by newt < 1316983047 446433 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway what if you want to engrave instead of write in the dust < 1316983049 504684 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :while helpless < 1316983052 378475 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even burn it in < 1316983056 523435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: E itemletter h < 1316983061 131459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: for a certain value of realistic equal to "this may be impossible in reality" < 1316983063 934510 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah < 1316983094 704683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: I think wormholes would be pretty essentially to a "realistic" space game. <-- what? They require huge amounts of negative energy < 1316983101 804523 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes but realistic in the sense that it's detailed and bound by mostly realistic laws of physics despite having elements that may be impossible < 1316983108 95852 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, sub lightspeed travel is the way to go < 1316983109 177176 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a way to provide realistic FTL travel in a space game: < 1316983111 252436 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you play as a neutrino < 1316983126 183462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: har har < 1316983130 599198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has #esoteric concluded that FTL neutrinos are real and not experimental error? < 1316983145 215514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :60ns over a distance of several hundred miles sounds to me like they measured how long it should have taken wrong < 1316983148 906825 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sub lightspeed ship travel + wormhole = not waiting 1000s of years to do anything in deep space. < 1316983166 22678 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally, they improved Safari's downloads window < 1316983174 350969 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: their last estimate as to the error is +- five ns IIRC < 1316983174 958732 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask Phantom_Hoover < 1316983180 75357 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1316983181 304616 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not estimate < 1316983184 500761 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they actually narrowed it down to that < 1316983186 691098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: that's of expected random errors < 1316983198 953894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a systematic error would work differently < 1316983199 139662 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and how can they measure how long it should have taken wrong? < 1316983200 358883 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c is a constant < 1316983202 337017 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my guess it that it is a fairly complicated experimental error, or an error in the theory underlying the devices (for example maybe the neutrino generator takes a different amount of time to generate a neutrino from when it gets the signal to do so than what the theories suggest) < 1316983211 552496 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :take c, take distance, you're done < 1316983216 195618 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than an error in the theory of relativity < 1316983218 780683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: it's the "take distance" I'm not convinced about < 1316983222 224320 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure a 60ns error would be a huge change in distance < 1316983236 97948 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask Phantom_Hoover :-P < 1316983239 14210 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion, it's the time and distance measurements. < 1316983247 386514 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ais523 thinks the distance is wrong < 1316983249 309833 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :60 ns * c = 18 metres. < 1316983268 303390 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, fair enough < 1316983283 652579 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there's a wormhole :P < 1316983309 774246 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many times did they repeat the experiment? < 1316983320 463389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps they confused it with other neutrinos < 1316983323 96073 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A complicated experimental error is my personal no-real-reason-for-it guess too; I mean, it's probably not exactly trivial to say when a neutrino went out, it's not like you can just look. < 1316983342 982091 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: tens of thousands of times < 1316983344 29672 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, neutrinos don't react a lot with normal matter < 1316983345 345814 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH one assumes they'd be reasonably careful before publishing this sort of stuff. < 1316983361 127367 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they spent months repeating it, checking it and narrowing down the error, so < 1316983380 433606 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That just means it's not a trivial error. :p < 1316983384 437623 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. < 1316983385 701907 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't even peeked at the paper, so. < 1316983398 783613 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1316983412 782680 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :neutrinos have transfinite energy. < 1316983458 723539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ellion: it's the "take distance" I'm not convinced about <-- i hear the arxiv paper contains a diagram where they graph _continental drift_ over the experiment time, including a 7 cm shift due to an earthquake. so i would not be so sure the distance is really 18 m off :P < 1316983466 644923 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, there are a few other issues with the theories of relativity. The distance anomaly of those coasting space probes for example < 1316983501 661430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: have they calculated the exact shape of the Earth to work out the straight-line distance too? < 1316983509 816631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how do you synchronize clocks to within ns over hundreds of miles? < 1316983521 750607 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you got that from the xkcd caption :-) < 1316983542 734837 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you sync them in the exact middle then travel at the same acceleration in each direction? < 1316983547 79276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: i also read it elsewhere < 1316983551 738960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably not) < 1316983560 556209 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the GPS sattelites are synchronized to within ns, istr it's a somewhat solved problem < 1316983563 250417 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: with all due respect, what you're saying is _way_ too obvious for them to not have already considered it. < 1316983573 251405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they use a gps-based system with an atomic clock connected. they have checked this thoroughly too, among other things they moved a portable atomic clock between the spots to check < 1316983582 535360 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think the only realistic option for the measured distance being eighteen metres off is for some really weird space-time shape bullshit on Earth. < 1316983585 371233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how quickly? < 1316983611 163389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I would assume they measured acceleration when doing that. < 1316983637 111851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps atomic clocks are skewed by the presence of unusually large numbers of neutrions < 1316983639 357500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the portable check was done by an external consultant < 1316983639 403606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*neutrinos < 1316983646 545896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although "neutrions" is a good word too) < 1316983660 688955 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I doubt they were running the experiment while doing that. < 1316983661 938007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sheesh they are obviously _constantly_ readjusted from the gps < 1316983684 969964 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you're practically trolling, really, by bringing up complaints /this/ obvious about their method < 1316983693 563324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly, I'm just brainstorming < 1316983705 690982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should wait for an independent reverification, at least < 1316983714 886745 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum entanglement = best way to sync clocks < 1316983716 754176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because that does very well at compensating for things people haven't thought of < 1316983741 832739 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they should just retry the whole thing in space. How big can a neutrino detector be, anyway? I'm sure you could lift one. (1300 tons, apparently.) < 1316983749 993384 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Nobody is saying they're sure it's true. < 1316983754 88501 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's nothing to wait for. < 1316983762 637399 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But how the hell is anyone going to repeat it? < 1316983765 818134 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody has CERN's facilities. < 1316983776 713754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: perhaps going through Earth is what causes neutrinos to go FTL < 1316983779 629967 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: Fermilab? < 1316983797 132643 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Right, which would mean they'd learn something new by doing it in space instead. < 1316983806 561254 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... < 1316983808 861913 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Right when you thought that Fermilab was a thing of the past, new work with neutrinos are exciting us all over again. The scientists associated with the MINOS experiment at the Department of Energy’s Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory just announced their findings of a rare phenomena – the transformation of muon neutrinos into electron neutrinos." < 1316983810 412868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they'd learn something new doing it on the Earth, too < 1316983810 654933 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: think I read somewhere about a facility in Japan too < 1316983814 963236 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe they're up for neutrino-related work. :p < 1316983833 237539 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also possibly they could petition a temporary no-gravity mode from the universe-simulator and retry? < 1316983850 587931 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what *did* happen with the neutrinos? < 1316983854 27716 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Could even set something up to do that automatically every time a file is saved, or just commit periodically at regular intervals. Based on the IRC bot announcements in #haskell, I'm pretty sure Edward Kmett uses something like that, except that instead of committing it just uploads directly to Hackage. ;]" < 1316983854 313220 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have we had an update or? < 1316983877 6301 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Nothing, ais523 just asked us about it then brought up a bunch of really obvious complaint theories about their methods. < 1316983884 950739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : [...] The distance anomaly of those coasting space probes for example <-- i heard recently that this was solved by a more detailed model of how thermal radiation was reflected by the probe parts < 1316983893 338007 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah okay < 1316983893 392167 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the Earth having really weird space-time would be almost as cool as FTL being possible. < 1316983903 397329 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, I typed that space-time without the - and it keeps adding t. < 1316983906 72117 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A choice I agree with, but whoa. < 1316983917 233928 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the IRC bot announcements, Edward Kmett does neutrino velocity experiments, except the results are directly uploaded to Hackage, is how I read that. < 1316983917 561747 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1316983929 45389 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GitHub looks much nicer on OS X. < 1316983932 69314 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: which IRC bot? < 1316983948 746583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, IIRC they decided the best explanation for the anomaly was that the heat of some internal components was being radiated and causing a reaction < 1316983950 607714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also that was a misreading right? < 1316983957 279207 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: oh? < 1316983961 449898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, pushing the spacecraft in the opposite direction < 1316983968 812716 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: See the ellion quote. And it wasn't exactly a misreading, just a miscontextifying or some-such. < 1316983975 232229 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: enjoy right clicking. < 1316983981 833295 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: What? < 1316983984 126403 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: whaat < 1316984005 295391 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: or are you not running an apple? < 1316984011 35340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a /really really old/ anti-Mac troll? < 1316984017 864865 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :never. < 1316984024 641503 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't this the same computer he's been using for at least the past while < 1316984042 382299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Nobody has CERN's facilities. <-- this didn't use the LHC though, only a proton pre-accelerator that otherwise feeds into the LHC. < 1316984043 158139 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly the same. < 1316984045 989671 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It right clicks just fine. < 1316984058 590170 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write "click". < 1316984066 298724 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's still a lot. < 1316984067 558407 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Click. < 1316984075 997108 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TY. TYVM. < 1316984077 142348 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they could also try sending it to a detector elsewhere. Like CERN<->Fermilab? < 1316984112 574506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : [...] How big can a neutrino detector be, anyway? <-- i think you'd want to lift the accelerator part. neutrino detectors need to be deep underground to shield against cosmic rays. < 1316984157 475872 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Maybe they could paint their neutrinos pink or something. < 1316984163 395017 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway: "Spokespeople for both Fermilab and the T2K experiment confirmed their intentions to test the OPERA result in coming months." < 1316984167 668503 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I suppose we'll see. < 1316984169 354312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't a neutrino detector just a large vat of washing-up liquid with a bit of machinery attached? < 1316984173 202805 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: T2K? < 1316984179 946409 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote isn't a neutrino detector just a large vat of washing-up liquid with a bit of machinery attached? < 1316984181 863784 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :684) isn't a neutrino detector just a large vat of washing-up liquid with a bit of machinery attached? < 1316984192 59723 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: actually I seem to remember hearing this too < 1316984197 860464 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it isn't as absurd as it sounds < 1316984203 692019 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: A Japanese neutrino-related thing. < 1316984204 457343 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still funny. < 1316984216 71496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably even funnier if true < 1316984248 348125 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The OPERA detector used here is a pile of bricks, actually. (Of "photographic emulsion films interleaved with lead plates".) < 1316984249 14721 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to burn Ubuntu < 1316984270 211355 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Won't it really suck if exactly one thing can go faster than light, and it's neutrinos? < 1316984274 322809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you'd burnt it already < 1316984279 961244 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu? more like Ubadtu. OOOOOOH < 1316984284 497911 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then really annoying smug neutrino aliens come and make fun of us. < 1316984284 903772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: not really, it'd still be useful for transmitting information FTL < 1316984291 311287 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: SMUG NEUTRINO ALIENS < 1316984291 967456 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have that one-square-kilometre "neutrino observatory" thing in the Antarctic. < 1316984323 203510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, the photographic emulsion to pick up the neutrinos, the lead plate to protect from hostile enchantments? < 1316984328 506179 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I burnt Lion, not Ubuntu. < 1316984335 837943 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Animal cruelty; RIP lion. < 1316984336 61331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see < 1316984354 164249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder when Apple will run out of entries in their naming scheme? < 1316984362 693737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if there'll ever be an OS XI < 1316984373 100026 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I eagerly await OS X Cat. < 1316984375 150645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps they'll start increasing the version number every week < 1316984380 693373 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They will exhaust every feline species apart from house cats. < 1316984384 73860 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha < 1316984386 905828 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Maybe OS X will become rolling release. < 1316984392 872778 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's hard to get people to pay for, though. < 1316984396 628562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, new stable release every week, not rolling release honest! < 1316984399 244458 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they'll just take, like, a dollar a week. < 1316984407 115115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and presumably you pay for it subscription-style < 1316984412 115059 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make payments out to Cult of Mac. < 1316984425 812666 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.00002c isn't much of a galaxy-wide ultrawave radio, though. You probably won't even get a ticket. (For exceeding the speed limit.) < 1316984428 778636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: they could also try sending it to a detector elsewhere. Like CERN<->Fermilab? <-- this would be cool to do anyhow, in order to check how the effect depends on distance. if it were 60 ns total _regardless_ of distance, it would imply something like my prior time travel speculation < 1316984452 359106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, I think 1.00002c is very unlikely < 1316984456 644465 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Maybe it's cumulative. < 1316984457 395791 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: maybe the speed of light was measured incorrectly? < 1316984461 279218 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1316984461 344722 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's what they got. < 1316984469 324948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I mean, a constant multiple of c < 1316984470 565910 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The error is MUCH lower than sixty ns. < 1316984477 535882 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the speed of light. < 1316984478 337916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd think it'd be more likely to be faster the further the distance, or something like that < 1316984487 14559 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what prior time travel speculation? < 1316984487 344738 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-158.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1316984488 84664 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: iirc, the speed of light and the second are fixed constants, it's the meter that might be wrong < 1316984491 785199 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-158.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1316984496 921498 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it would be really funny if you could only go a really small multiple faster than light < 1316984498 807368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(faster on shorter distances, like oerjan's "always 60 ns", seems pretty implausible) < 1316984499 592368 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe all of Einstein's theories are actually based on neutrinos and not light! < 1316984504 490966 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not sure how you can tag either one of those as "more likely", but what-evur. < 1316984504 508988 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: right < 1316984514 694467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : isn't a neutrino detector just a large vat of washing-up liquid with a bit of machinery attached? <-- there are several designs iirc, which are different in what kind of neutrinos they can detect and whether they can detect the direction they are traveling, iirc. < 1316984518 964861 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ooh, so a neutrino making a journey of fifty-nine ns... < 1316984526 698415 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the meter is defined in terms of the speed of light and the second though < 1316984532 903557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, it's like the fine structure constant almost being an integer < 1316984540 857106 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok, other way around then :P < 1316984543 877731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone was happy when they discovered it wasn't an integer, and upset while they thought it was < 1316984551 305015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, 1 over an integer, because it's upside-down) < 1316984551 522181 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1316984565 70675 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things that are integers are nice. < 1316984568 643475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if it's an integer, you have to wonder why /that/ integer < 1316984568 720180 :derdon!~derdon@p579CC704.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1316984576 515564 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because God, duh. :p < 1316984592 919101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for other values, it's just an arbitrary number, and there are quite enough of those < 1316984598 555835 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like integers, they are suspiciously ... integral < 1316984605 729191 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether the various universal constants are reals. < 1316984608 623967 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computable reals? < 1316984623 259405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, question: what's the shortest program for which it's unknown whether it halts? < 1316984629 225239 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Goldbach or Collatz < 1316984629 347946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : [...] (Of "photographic emulsion films interleaved with lead plates".) <-- ah yes, i think these are the lead plates which are actually constructed from ancient roman plumbing or something, because all modern lead products are radioactivity contaminated < 1316984636 174193 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: at least well-known < 1316984655 654278 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think soupdragon wanted to find that out < 1316984656 865923 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's rather hard to < 1316984671 417556 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an exhaustive search is only possible for very small programs and the answers for those will be obvious, at least in something like brainfuck < 1316984673 269257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how you can get the collatz program into a dubiously-halting one < 1316984676 460819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : everyone was happy when they discovered it wasn't an integer, and upset while they thought it was <-- actually they thought it was a rational iirc? 1/137 or some such iirc? < 1316984679 170408 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be neat if our universe was super-Turing, but only because the various constants are uncomputable reals. < 1316984688 334692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't search each integer in turn to see if the collatz sequence doesn't halt < 1316984689 555803 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It could still be rational. < 1316984694 797296 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ooh, question: what's the shortest program for which it's unknown whether it halts? < 1316984697 362244 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't really prove a fundamental constant is irrational. < 1316984699 777646 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: well yes < 1316984700 842553 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define 'shortest'? < 1316984703 67144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could search specifically for a loop that didn't contain 1 < 1316984706 602034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: any plausible definition < 1316984708 339055 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl $x=rand(1);sleep while$x < 1316984708 738515 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion, yes you can. < 1316984709 876200 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, true < 1316984715 903420 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pretty short program that may or may not halt. :P < 1316984717 839664 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Weeeeell, ok. < 1316984720 231729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :goldbach could work < 1316984721 549764 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proving the magnetic constant is transcendental is the easiest thing in the world. < 1316984722 336417 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But you can't really do what Vorpal said. < 1316984751 4834 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl sleep if rand < 1316984753 971102 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shorter < 1316984755 284063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: what prior time travel speculation? <-- mine, on this channel, a couple days ago. i have made up at least three wild theories already. :P < 1316984767 997243 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: how? < 1316984776 445418 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I really liked your theory that accounted for the supernova < 1316984781 870334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: does sleep do an infinite sleep by default? < 1316984786 726697 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it's defined to be 4pi*10^-7. < 1316984786 821684 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1316984789 567047 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in fact, I think it's the most plausible one yet, for the "FTL is real" case < 1316984792 476542 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has ais523 heard it? < 1316984792 912009 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: heh < 1316984795 107068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1316984799 494536 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1316984807 395541 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tell ais523 your theory that accounted for the supernova being on time < 1316984816 251284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, there was an experiment a while back that demonstrated that photons went at the speed of light < 1316984827 307422 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah < 1316984834 5868 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good < 1316984834 365314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some physicists weren't entirely sure if it was the same for single photons as it was for groups of photons < 1316984839 476413 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it's more a factor in the SI system than an actual constant, though. < 1316984842 45855 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-158.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wouldn't that mean that photons have infinite mass? < 1316984845 887962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they tested both ways round < 1316984853 524340 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm, there was an experiment a while back that demonstrated that photons went at the speed of light <-- that is kind of expected? < 1316984855 395819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: no, zero mass < 1316984865 129862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: some physicists weren't entirely sure if it was the same for single photons as it was for groups of photons < 1316984865 440803 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, you fail relativity. < 1316984870 724822 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-158.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crazy universe < 1316984871 712153 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why on earth? < 1316984872 776132 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd is surprised that photons go speed of light? :P < 1316984876 884165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: basically the idea was that the neutrinos don't really go faster than light overall, they just jump 60 ns back in time at one point. this is inspired by the fact that neutrino measures from the supernova SN1987a does _not_ show a proportional speedup (the neutrinos from that would then have arrived 4 _years_ earlier than the light, rather than 3 hours as they did.) < 1316984878 407220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: don't ask me < 1316984880 829764 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero mass, infinite energy. < 1316984881 118728 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Can _you_ prove it? < 1316984887 575959 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: prove what? < 1316984896 387270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the neutrinos arrived 3 hours earlier than the light? < 1316984897 667975 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion, I can. < 1316984899 122785 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That photons (plural) go light speed? < 1316984899 666401 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-158.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion, no, I just started asking myself questions I don't know the answer two < 1316984912 913755 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you were more specific than that < 1316984913 655674 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah < 1316984918 465949 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the point again? < 1316984919 219114 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some type turning into another type IIRC < 1316984931 760480 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Right, but a fixed "k*c with k>1" speed as opposed to "it goes faster the further it goes"; neither sounds (to me) incredibly more likely. < 1316984937 292394 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flavour oscillation. < 1316984952 271843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is fixed, it probably depends on the mass of neutrinos somehow < 1316984952 373205 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :neutrinos are proofs, the formula that they prove is the type of a program. < 1316984954 24581 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: still doesn't match 60 ns < 1316984954 466450 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a big deal because it contradicts the Standard Model. < 1316984956 399451 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how OS X's computer chess player talks to you by default. < 1316984956 899636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps neutrinos have imaginary mass < 1316984964 544499 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: for the supernova it is easy to explain though: Perhaps a supernova emit a LOT of neutrinos just before it starts going bang? < 1316984974 780531 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: no < 1316984977 585541 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: YOU HAVE NOT PRESENTED YOUR THEORY IN A VERY SATISFACTORY MANNER TO ais523 < 1316984983 6289 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAPS CAPS CAPS < 1316984984 781543 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What? < 1316984985 945852 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yes, basically. < 1316984990 447016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, my name is ais523 in allcaps? < 1316984990 863354 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: Vorpal: That photons (plural) go light speed? < 1316984994 708128 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellion: replied to that < 1316985022 449964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: I mean, a constant multiple of c <-- as for that, my first wild theory was based on the idea that the speedup might depend on earth's gravitation. in fact i later found out the speedup is pretty close to the escape velocity of earth. but i then found out this idea breaks down if you include sun or (even larger) galaxy contributions. < 1316985023 437669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: uh in reply to what? the line about the super nova? < 1316985037 634736 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The core collapses, the protons and electrons in the core become neutrons and neutrinos, the neutrinos slam into the rest of the star and heat the hell out of it, boom. < 1316985052 771507 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that works as far as I know < 1316985068 150735 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'm going to reboot. < 1316985079 823451 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Ubuntu works properly, I'll get on IRC from the installation CD. < 1316985088 836546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so what makes you think that we're capable of determining whether the process takes 3 hours or 3 hours + 60ns? < 1316985094 188263 :MichaelBurge!~quassel@75-175-84-99.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1316985105 378621 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what makes you think he thinks we can? < 1316985107 787452 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole point is that we can't < 1316985111 363720 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-158.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like photons any more < 1316985113 920802 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm < 1316985118 458167 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-158.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are mean < 1316985118 649763 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1316985122 383043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe all of Einstein's theories are actually based on neutrinos and not light! <-- i don't know if the michelson-morley experiment has been done to enough precision, but if it has it would rule out that, i think. < 1316985124 190503 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-158.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What with the not having maths < 1316985134 931183 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-158.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean mass < 1316985136 81201 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-158.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a slight lisp < 1316985147 645707 :ellion!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1316985152 708445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm probably must have been. < 1316985164 760419 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I think neutrinos interact far too weakly to be able to contribute much to the supernova, they'll just fly straight through all the matter in the star and continue on to earth < 1316985178 205093 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, nope, at least according to Phil Plait. < 1316985191 992062 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a _lot_ of neutrinos. < 1316985221 52213 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying if there were that many neutrinos, there'd mostly be a lot more neutrinos reaching earth not more heat in the star < 1316985229 67413 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, they're not electron capture neutrinos. < 1316985257 11579 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're neutrinos and antineutrinos from pair production. < 1316985281 75549 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"About 1046 joules of gravitational energy—approximately 10% of the star's rest mass—is converted into a ten-second burst of neutrinos, which is the main output of the event.[63][71] These carry away energy from the core and accelerate the collapse, while some neutrinos are absorbed by the star's outer layers and provide energy to the supernova explosion.[72]" < 1316985292 2413 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's 10^46, not 1046.) < 1316985364 677440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't see how you can get the collatz program into a dubiously-halting one <-- iirc the link i put on the wiki [[Collatz function]] page is a paper where someone generalized the collatz problem into collatz functions and showed that the corresponding problem can be unsolvable. < 1316985403 267238 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, furthermore: "Computer simulations indicate that this expanding shock does not directly cause the supernova explosion;[63] rather, it stalls within milliseconds[73] in the outer core as energy is lost through the dissociation of heavy elements, and a process that is not clearly understood is necessary to allow the outer layers of the core to reabsorb around 1044 joules[nb 3] (1 foe) of energy, producing the visib < 1316985403 395383 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :le explosion.[74] Current research focuses upon a combination of neutrino reheating, rotational and magnetic effects as the basis for this process.[63]" < 1316985414 10653 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-158.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ < 1316985444 388697 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-158.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to call non-pure functions secular < 1316985444 406999 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-158.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the purposes of the Unicode spec < 1316985448 663254 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-158.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*quode < 1316985487 638902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: you're making no sense < 1316985498 966044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I especially can't figure out what you corrected to "quode" < 1316985501 366639 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1316985504 210154 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that mostly seems to say that a lot of energy disappears into neutrinos initially, and a lot of energy also appears from unknown sources later on :) < 1316985505 879407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :night Vorpal < 1316985524 519773 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, one source of which is the neutrinos. < 1316985529 582566 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: uniquode is a Ngevd language by Ngevd < 1316985530 130733 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A significant source at that. < 1316985534 895566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1316985538 77400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ooh, question: what's the shortest program for which it's unknown whether it halts? <-- istr somewhere about someone trying to find busy beaver function values for TMs, the first length they couldn't calculate would be a candidate. < 1316985565 927124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, would make sense < 1316985574 171597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they couldn't calculate due to undecidability rather than computer power < 1316985587 740351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine you can write a reasonably good termination checker that handles all but the most difficult cases < 1316985597 803522 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-158.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd starts with a vowel < 1316985597 956289 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1316985608 321135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: tell ais523 your theory that accounted for the supernova being on time <-- i'm a bit backlogged, but i think all my three theories do that, or i'd have discarded them sooner :P < 1316985654 924291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh he's gone :( < 1316985655 426295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: heh, I see what you mean there < 1316985658 695105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "e", isn't it? < 1316985664 135176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well he logreads. < 1316985693 493421 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-158.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it doesn't what am I talking about < 1316985746 590350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :another point which i've seen on reddit is that the supernova neutrinos were much lower energy, that might affect things. < 1316985781 289256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: when pronounced, it does < 1316985781 709378 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-158.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, I'm just tired and pronouncing my username based on its etymology < 1316985792 441945 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-158.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I'm Ngevd < 1316985794 380087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"en-geved" < 1316985796 704012 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you mean the one about neutrinos circumventing gravity? < 1316985798 365832 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-158.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant ais523 < 1316985800 7726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"taneb" starts with a consonant < 1316985810 835396 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-158.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd starts with a consonant < 1316985815 200809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, "ais523" starts with a vowel no matter how you pronounce it, out of the various plausible situations < 1316985816 318396 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no, it's ngevd. < 1316985839 483732 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-158.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a real back-of-the-throater < 1316985853 447968 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ngevd" starts with a ngevd. < 1316985879 928750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: the neutrinos arrived 3 hours earlier than the light? <-- this is not so surprising, it's supposedly because the neutrinos pass from the core straight through the outer star parts while the photons get delayed by them < 1316985921 394021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they could have been early by any amount from 0 to just over 3 hours, depending on measurement accuracy, rounding, and exactly how supernovae operate < 1316985938 8143 :variable!variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Excess Flood < 1316985991 879722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: still doesn't match 60 ns <-- the four years would be assuming the supernova neutrinos had moved at the same speed all the way as these CERN ones < 1316986080 834997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: for the supernova it is easy to explain though: Perhaps a supernova emit a LOT of neutrinos just before it starts going bang? <-- 90% of the total energy of a supernova is supposedly in the form of neutrinos at the very start of the core explosion (iirc all the detected neutrinos were within 13 seconds of each other, or something) < 1316986087 835986 :variable!variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1316986197 61200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: so what makes you think that we're capable of determining whether the process takes 3 hours or 3 hours + 60ns? <-- erm this wasn't for the "single 60 ns" theory, but for the 1.000025 constant speedup theory. < 1316986204 52156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1316986225 870360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :single 60 ns doesn't really seem mathematically possible to me, because of the time travel issue < 1316986334 190431 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-158.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1316986334 244083 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-158.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait < 1316986335 344340 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-158.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not goodnight yet < 1316986335 362214 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-158.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :School debate club starts tomorrow < 1316986353 557179 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-158.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now goodnight < 1316986357 13605 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-158.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1316986485 982385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan, you mean the one about neutrinos circumventing gravity? <-- er that would be the one that evolved into that escape velocity thing yes. maybe it could still be true with something else than escape velocity. < 1316986510 277809 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what's the escape velocity thing? < 1316986632 456511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the speed of these neutrinos is approx. c + escape velocity from earth at earth's surface. < 1316986654 62519 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 JOIN :#esoteric < 1316986659 52247 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELCOME TO... THE STESGI SUMMARY < 1316986662 50163 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Captcha again.) < 1316986671 758182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however it makes less sense if you include the contributions from the sun or (even larger) the whole galaxy. < 1316986675 886562 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, well, um, hrm. < 1316986686 404124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oneirelliott: please logread :P < 1316986689 939108 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok < 1316986697 891461 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm on Unity again, and hopefully my anger levels are low enough that my perception will be more objective this time 'round. < 1316986729 187059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oneirelliott: = presumably elliott rather than oneiros < 1316986732 231070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe both < 1316986737 834846 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros. < 1316986750 434767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how advanced is the state of IRC connection multiplexers? < 1316986755 884933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use irssi + screen, or something, I suppose < 1316986774 666403 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oneirelliott: lol unity < 1316986775 286758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have been assuming ineiros is a variant spelling or something of oneiros < 1316986788 265757 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although as a first note, I note that (a) mouse clicks are _still_ way too sensitive to touch (rather than click); menus are popping up just as I'm typing. This problem did NOT exist with the Ubuntu version I was on previously and is EXTREMELY annoying. (b) There's a problem with either the colour depth or the dithering not being there. It makes things look crappy. Will look into. < 1316986809 381566 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yeah, well, installing Debian on this thing doesn't sound like a fun time. < 1316986860 928404 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I don't think fan control works on this thing yet. < 1316986888 794965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would think apple knew how to control their fans < 1316986900 127803 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Shuttleworth's fault in this case. :p < 1316986900 601210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dithering on a modern system seems wrong, except when you're outputting to a really low colour depth for artistic reasons or something < 1316986910 112332 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The MacBook Air has slightly low colour depth. < 1316986913 792966 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Six bits rather than eight. < 1316986920 443385 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :xfce perhaps? the xubuntu thing (which is apparently almost completely different from plain xfce) seems to be a lot like plain ubuntu was before Unity < 1316986922 632670 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It needs dithering or everything looks like shit. < 1316986926 357954 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With dithering it looks fine, because it's very high dpi.) < 1316986929 812625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, interesting < 1316986940 117108 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I use non-xfce ubuntu, so I don't really know < 1316986945 469014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, I'm surprised that you find 18-bit color ugly and are fine with 24 < 1316986955 182024 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Why do Ubuntu _still_ have their homepage be that useless Ubuntu-branded Google search? < 1316986955 308276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that humans could tell those apart on gradients and similar situations, though < 1316986960 85300 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: And no, it's really ridiculously obvious. < 1316986966 94906 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The background has horrible banding. < 1316986966 462252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oneirelliott: because Google pay them to, obviously < 1316986972 923413 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: at least make it /proper/ Google < 1316986997 955790 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I might try Xubuntu, but this mouse thing is the most annoying so far. < 1316987001 813395 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's always the gnome fallback desktop. < 1316987019 341368 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I can't even scroll < 1316987021 126919 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :need drivers < 1316987064 362451 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the gnome fallback is gnome 2, or whatever it was before gnome also made that thing-just-like-unity? < 1316987093 353687 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gnome three, but with gnome-panel etc. < 1316987098 884737 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, updated applications but same UI < 1316987126 408371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnome 3 with gnome-panel sounds surprisingly viable < 1316987127 865308 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will have to unbind the Windows key, it's far too easy to mispress here to bring up the Unity launcher thing. < 1316987135 796472 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's just a question of when gnome-panel bitrots < 1316987139 586184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oneirelliott: it brings up launcher rather than acting as a modifier key? < 1316987146 797115 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1316987154 124567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully, it won't bit-rot if it's maintained by someone < 1316987164 110255 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be windows-space or something, not windows < 1316987164 128248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if Canonical are using it as their fallback, maybe they'll maintain it < 1316987173 234020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1316987180 875617 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think they care about the fallback now that unity [two]d is "usable" < 1316987191 296859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh < 1316987194 694777 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oneirelliott: .....NOOOOOO < 1316987205 370663 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not to say you won't be able to install it from repos < 1316987208 480453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, I wouldn't expect that gnome-panel needs much maintenance < 1316987208 790087 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm sceptical /they'll/ maintain it < 1316987211 366604 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm sure someone will < 1316987226 323073 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm trying not to go into this with an ENTIRELY negative attitude, so I'll fix the display and mouse problems and go from there. < 1316987235 93817 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oneirelliott is sceptical like a sceptic tank. < 1316987261 118319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : does anyone know where the right channel for all the lost other-esoteric people is? <-- an ancient arcane unsolved problem if i ever saw one < 1316987261 172983 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Word to the mother tounge, y'all. < 1316987266 387557 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, I'm never using Unity. < 1316987269 101334 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should start one < 1316987277 743723 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pretend to care about it just long enough for it to take off < 1316987283 372915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that Unity will become viable eventually < 1316987285 963725 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Never? Not even if they completely redesign it? < 1316987292 502972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just worried that Ubuntu will be nonviable by the time it happens < 1316987293 521064 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay maybe < 1316987301 363989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think the same about both KDE 4 and Gnome 3 < 1316987310 815573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, it wouldn't surprise me if KDE 4 was usable already, I haven't tried < 1316987315 563934 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear Ubuntu: alt-tab having any sort of delay at all is completely unacceptable, you /will/ optimise the shit out of that code < 1316987328 466781 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I can't fix _that_, I cannot even contemplate using Unity < 1316987350 388624 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unity just puts everything in places I don't want. < 1316987359 421412 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN WHY < 1316987371 861672 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: nobody cares about your boring Unity opinions, they're waiting for my in-depth review >:| < 1316987374 428945 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DOMINATE THE MARKET IN OPINIONS < 1316987383 812168 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh dear, gdm isn't installed, I'll have to tweak some /other/ file to get dithering working < 1316987384 929418 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no fuck you I get opinions too. < 1316987405 423308 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(PREFERRED) To set-up Oneiric (or older?), use the post-install-oneiric.sh script. This is the most recent post-install script but has the down-side that it needs to be re-run after every kernel update (until the relevant drivers are patched in the kernel mainline). For this script to work, you must be on >3.0.0 kernel. < 1316987409 165975 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to run a script :( < 1316987410 605420 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads it instead
< 1316987413 242566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would gdm be responsible for dithering anyway? it just handles the login screen, right? < 1316987420 109117 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1316987421 948552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what is Oneiric? < 1316987429 349590 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Ubuntu beta < 1316987436 200673 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you had to add the dithering commands to the gdm init file < 1316987446 566432 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's basically the first thing that gets run with X < 1316987450 629004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, hmm < 1316987459 407424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think that there'd be some sort of X init file to put that in < 1316987466 94155 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but it's full of tons of stuff < 1316987472 559545 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gdm file is more amenable to adding shit to :P < 1316987474 665059 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, they wisened up and trashed their shitty built-in Unity file manager < 1316987487 75532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and replaced it with... nautilus? something else? < 1316987491 497451 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it starts a Nautilus modified to look as much like Finder as possible < 1316987495 410944 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you guys keep the window buttons on the left side? < 1316987496 621577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1316987501 708891 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I switched mine back to the right side. < 1316987503 681774 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fear change. < 1316987506 612367 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which isn't a bad design necessarily, mind you) < 1316987511 694890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I moved them to the right and put the menu back, so that I could close a window from either top corner < 1316987519 763589 :impomatic!~digital_w@168.4.113.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1316987526 160460 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm used to them on the left, that's what i've used for years. < 1316987528 330605 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OS X.) < 1316987531 682429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does alt-space do if the window menu isn't there? if the alt-space-x binding still works to maximise, I might be OK with them on the left < 1316987532 901448 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/i/I/ < 1316987545 666431 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt-space x still works in Unity, it seems < 1316987547 246390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but have no reason not to put them on the right for the time being < 1316987585 229195 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# A General Comment: # This script is meant to be a "living howto". You will see "if false" # statements throughout--these are so you can see how to do something # without actually doing. Everyone should read through each step of this # script and decide if the action makes sense. Although...I know most won't. # But don't cry to me when it doesn't do what you wanted/ecxpected. < 1316987589 369533 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ecxpected < 1316987597 621914 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, I don't like how maximising a window hides the Unity icons < 1316987599 450382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ecxpected.cx < 1316987600 421937 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should leave them there < 1316987611 933920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oneirelliott: obviously designed for tablets < 1316987619 985326 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no it isn't, you hover to get them back < 1316987623 671445 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't hover on a tablet < 1316987627 813551 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be netbooks < 1316987681 574690 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't it put the window-control icons of maximized windows into the top bar thingummy (except autohidden and visible-by-hover)? I think I saw something about something like that. < 1316987682 400420 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should switch to Debian for Ubuntu nazis force me to use Unity. < 1316987682 757809 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ -z "$(which aptitude)" ] && sudo apt-get install aptitude < 1316987687 342284 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/for/before/ < 1316987692 401727 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on, that's nothing to do with setting up things for oneiric < 1316987693 339980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I've used a touchscreen on which hovering was possible < 1316987699 193007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a case of touching the screen not very hard < 1316987701 114944 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: grow up, the package repos are never going away < 1316987703 239958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a click was pushing harder < 1316987712 49650 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There are also touchscreens where you hover by literally hovering. < 1316987730 613209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: heh, how do they detect that? camera? some sort of capacitance sensor? < 1316987733 485511 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes. < 1316987742 750886 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Re: window control. < 1316987759 324852 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1316987767 95175 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a driver just for the keyboard? Huh. < 1316987801 348360 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I believe it was capacitive, yes; that's what most touchscreens nowadays are. I don't think it counted a very very light touch as a non-hover touch though, it sounds very difficult to reliably hover without accidentally brushing the screen every now and then. < 1316987813 674415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on how close you had to hover < 1316987818 382855 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oneirelliott: man you're serious business right now. < 1316987820 683889 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I seem to _have_ a touchpad driver. < 1316987821 392721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a midair hover should work at a range of an inch or so, IMO < 1316987835 500436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that hovering rarely does badly unless you have dwell click turned on < 1316987853 534247 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cypress Semiconductor is a company that makes the TrueTouch capacitive touchscreen. As reported by Slashgear, the company is now working to add hover support to their finger controlled touchscreens." [21 April 2010] < 1316987858 643012 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure other people have done it too. < 1316987859 926689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(challenge: make dwell click not an incredibly bad idea on some touch screen model) < 1316987865 47647 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo aptitude install gnome-color-manager icc-profiles-free lm-sensors ppa-purge xcalib < 1316987868 431442 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this script is so badly factored. < 1316987872 515587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could also use double-tap for click < 1316987882 453209 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There also seems to be an Apple patent for it, unsurprisingly. < 1316987915 32895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, probably drag would still have the same touchbinding as normal touchpads < 1316987933 924656 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mouse is good. change is bad. < 1316987939 905941 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(:(:( < 1316987943 657730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be more consistent that way, but probably hard to use < 1316987954 324120 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1316987958 243691 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this script adds the mactel-support ppa < 1316987960 737955 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite it not having repos for oneiric < 1316987962 987695 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you do that????? < 1316987963 773079 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :change is so.... /different/ < 1316987971 852104 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think the old Interface Hall of Shame had a dwell-clickish thing listed. < 1316987986 509905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's more than one Interface Hall of Shame? < 1316988001 639348 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, so I suppose the adjective was superfluous. < 1316988005 99098 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not that I know of, no. < 1316988016 845711 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it /is/ old. < 1316988029 131683 :impomatic!~digital_w@168.4.113.87.dyn.plus.net PART :#esoteric < 1316988041 807960 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it was a can't-turn-it-off feature of a multi-selection-aware listbox where it'd single-select the item you left the cursor on for a while, wiping out the existing selection of course. < 1316988046 470551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the " normally implies you're using the adjective as a disambiguator < 1316988059 774106 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I agree. < 1316988099 328878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Agile Allosaurus < 1316988102 120826 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, there might easily be new ones by now that I wouldn't have known of, it's better to be safe than sure. < 1316988130 752269 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# macfanctld needed, but no oneiric build < 1316988131 614257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sense a world-class trolling opportunity: Beautiful Brontosaurus < 1316988137 805430 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Slightly regretting OS decision. < 1316988161 137095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oneirelliott: Ubuntu O is currently unusable for long periods of time, then? < 1316988165 256607 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not sure. < 1316988175 120327 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might just run this crappy script. < 1316988193 398471 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sudo aptitude install bzr fakeroot bzr branch lp:macfanctld cd macfanctld < 1316988195 571435 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no. < 1316988213 127589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, a websearch for "interface hall of shame" gives lots of results and I don't know which you mean < 1316988227 402543 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric : echo "Downloading macfanctld (fan control daemon)." wget -Nq https://launchpad.net/~mactel-support/+archive/ppa/+files/macfanctld_0.5~mactel1~maverick_amd64.deb < 1316988228 696226 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gross, bro. < 1316988253 98785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what specifically was the "oh no" at? < 1316988259 171302 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The bzr stuff. < 1316988263 602355 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The one at http://homepage.mac.com/bradster/iarchitect/shame.htm that is also what is referred to by the wiki. < 1316988266 48045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that it seems to be using a cpanm-like approach to Ubuntu? < 1316988289 855219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, the thing's trying to set hundreds of cookies again < 1316988299 616951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, more like 20 < 1316988303 706565 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: cpanm-like approach? < 1316988304 449934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still annoying trying to click through them all < 1316988327 665973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oneirelliott: cpanminus basically works by ignoring all the CPAN machinery, and just downloading the source from where it's stored and compiling/installing it by hand < 1316988335 618738 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TH0F: +249.0°C TH0O: +249.0°C < 1316988338 111565 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, my computer is hot. < 1316988355 892114 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is hard to quantify how much I believe those sensors. < 1316988389 841208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see, the issue is that Firefox puts up an application-modal dialog box to ask me to approve cookies, separately for each cookie < 1316988398 821219 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oneirelliott: what is the unit of belief? < 1316988401 820891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if I'd give different results for different cookies on the same web page, while not wanting to save the result permanently < 1316988412 835699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: the alp, IIRC < 1316988432 61738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, sometimes the dialog boxes don't load in the order you need to click on them to close them < 1316988439 582129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(each being application-modal means they also modal-interrupt each other) < 1316988445 21381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it can take a while to figure out the next one to click < 1316988449 736428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if they've solved that in versions > 3 < 1316988472 809075 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Fix Matlab error: sudo ln -s /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so /lib64/libc.so.6 < 1316988474 670152 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :errrrrr....... < 1316988481 546427 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you _sure_ you want to do that? < 1316988491 955120 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'mma try and reboot. < 1316988496 988617 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wish me, uh, luck. < 1316988524 934895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck < 1316988531 757040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*good uh, luck < 1316988552 456291 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Posh Puma < 1316988583 234347 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pink Panther < 1316988613 491670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oneirelliott: are you still connected, despite having rebooted? < 1316988618 535903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you going to ping out in the next few minutes? < 1316988763 97251 :oneirelliott!5f95e650@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.230.80 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1316988775 439104 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.230.80 JOIN :#esoteric < 1316988780 627351 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. < 1316988780 834856 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1316988790 466299 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gfax Facsimile Program". < 1316988793 931896 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes, facsimile. < 1316988801 74857 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.230.80 NICK :Guest78404 < 1316988820 222915 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb Guest78404 < 1316988827 379118 :Guest78404!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-NickServ- Invalid password for elliott. < 1316988828 589693 :Guest78404!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lie. :/ < 1316988852 398840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you /are/ elliott, right? < 1316988853 973158 :Guest78404!~elliott@95.149.230.80 QUIT :Client Quit < 1316988858 949794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not knowing his password might imply you're someone else < 1316988861 337138 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 JOIN :#esoteric < 1316988864 139232 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1316988919 140658 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the fan daemon doesnt' seem to be working. < 1316988921 370020 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't < 1316988923 474114 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I also recall that the article said (and was surprised by that) the select-on-hover was a standard feature of the control; and indeed, from the MSDN documentation of the ListView.HoverSelection property: "Gets or sets a value indicating whether an item is automatically selected when the mouse pointer remains over the item for a few seconds. When this property is set to true, the user can point to an item in the ListView control to select the item. Multi < 1316988923 492205 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ple items can be selected (when the MultiSelect property is set to true) by holding down the CTRL key while pointing to each item. You can use this feature to provide an easier method for the user of your application to select items in the ListView control." < 1316988935 100751 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1316988941 149079 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1316988954 17741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because you can do something doesn't mean you should... < 1316988961 128869 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ -e /media/Mac\ OS ] || sudo mkdir /media/Mac\ OS < 1316988961 308019 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo mount -o ro /dev/sda2 /media/Mac\ OS < 1316988962 445719 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come /on/ < 1316988964 777328 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do what? < 1316988967 508292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: heh, you've given me a mental image of a fan daemon as a little demon that physically turns the fan < 1316988976 906649 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was somewhere near the HotTracking thing, which highlights the hovered-on property. But I can't find it from the hall-of-shame page. < 1316988977 184783 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww < 1316988979 432883 :ive!~nn@189.179.246.222 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1316988984 158587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: in this case, make hovering a control do something when it normally doesn't < 1316989025 164429 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know how to read the current fan status or whatever? < 1316989028 522069 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fan speed? < 1316989032 432851 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something in /proc, I think? < 1316989048 913951 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how many people would realize the multi-selection support with the HoverSelection. "Point and wait a few seconds but remember to keep ctrl down at the critical moment" sounds somewhat unintuitive. < 1316989050 82816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fan" appears nowhere in man 5 proc < 1316989060 721486 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It was something in a sub-directory provided by a driver blah blah < 1316989073 125405 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo "Calibrating display (based on OS X configuration)." < 1316989074 930723 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that could be nice < 1316989094 719505 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lm-sensors < 1316989098 68691 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :injury on lower tongue + eating food = unpleasantness < 1316989107 786666 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That just shows temperatures < 1316989108 266824 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lm-oh-Deewiant-already-said-it. < 1316989115 988546 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, looks like LightDM is used instead of gdm now. < 1316989116 463038 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: No, it also has fan speed < 1316989122 87266 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Where < 1316989124 38436 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :When supported. < 1316989143 263478 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it doesn't output it then you're not supported I guess, yeah :-P < 1316989147 487370 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran "sensors" < 1316989151 609968 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, lightdm is typical freedesktop.org software, so it's all .ini < 1316989156 398451 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do I put commands :'( < 1316989158 616261 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sensors | grep -i fan < 1316989165 463036 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Nothin' < 1316989176 987509 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well < 1316989209 347229 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"head /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon*/device/*fan*" but it's unlikely that will do anything if 'sensors' won't. < 1316989225 182476 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR: Invalid GPU 0 specified in assignment '[gpu:0]/DitheringDepth[DFP-2]=1' < 1316989225 288278 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (there are only 0 GPUs on this Display). < 1316989227 430175 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not very many GPUs < 1316989230 318867 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except perhaps show ignored-by-lm-sensors-configuration sensors. < 1316989237 900059 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Like fan3 for me.) < 1316989242 553921 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :man using this stable release sure is neat. < 1316989242 884541 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you run sensors-detect < 1316989252 313508 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have like a working system that does what you'd expect. < 1316989255 461976 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Deewiant IT finds my tempreatures < 1316989264 499819 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Fuck off, all these problems were in the previous stable release < 1316989289 239296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some previous stable release that didn't have them? < 1316989295 304291 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, nouveau is being used < 1316989299 546688 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard about LightDM. < 1316989299 605531 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, the one before (partially) < 1316989310 485845 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What package are the proprietary nvidia drivers in again < 1316989315 714220 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like gdm was very easily-configurable either. < 1316989322 294515 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It had a shell script I had to edit < 1316989327 242856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it was a while ago, but became less so over time < 1316989340 606606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there used to be a dialog box in system | administration that configured it < 1316989350 880891 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: 'nvidia-current' or some-such, but there's also that driver manager thing. < 1316989360 260681 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, The driver manager fails to offer it. < 1316989392 645731 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should if you have that 'restricted' repo enabled. (I think.) < 1316989401 955976 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do. < 1316989416 239849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typically use Intel graphics for driver simplicity < 1316989423 946208 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I got any sensors outputs on the laptop ever, either. < 1316989430 366501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although occasionally I find games that don't work with it < 1316989440 648181 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apparently the listed nvidia packages in Software Cetnre don't exist in my repositories. < 1316989441 130615 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1316989446 334360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the state of graphics cards is rapidly reaching a state where even low-end cards can run reasonably good games < 1316989454 332808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: perhaps the repo mirrors you're using have only a small subset < 1316989454 763439 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"enjoy the rest of your evenings" < 1316989461 507160 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow I get so many of those thanks for reminding me. < 1316989468 882713 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: gb.archive.ubuntu.com < 1316989485 451071 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Trying family `National Semiconductor'... Yes" + "Found unknown chip with ID 0x8519". But that was 2011-03; maybe it's in there now. < 1316989491 601975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'd /expect/ that to be a full mirror < 1316989518 363481 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvidia-current installs. < 1316989519 899011 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's a thing. < 1316989537 77689 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "Reasonably good games" (such as nethack) is perhaps not the thing to use there; maybe "reasonably graphical games" or something. < 1316989538 118851 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Current likelihood ratings: < 1316989545 314594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: err, that's what I meant < 1316989545 635789 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Staying on Ubuntu with Unity - five percent likelihood < 1316989552 162717 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Staying on Ubuntu with GNOME - something like forty percent < 1316989552 386080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neverwinter Nights 1 works fine, for instance < 1316989557 670016 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Debian - something like fifty percent < 1316989564 340125 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Downgrading ubuntu - something like fifteen percent < 1316989575 153627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: you didn't put OS X anywhere in your percentage chart? < 1316989586 678188 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: help what is a percentage? < 1316989587 171277 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird percentages < 1316989589 278007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Windows 7? < 1316989591 69255 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OS X is not an option for a main OS for me. < 1316989597 808779 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows is even less so. < 1316989604 570889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what're the specific dealbreakers? < 1316989610 502938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want ammo to use in OS flamewars < 1316989611 912539 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For both, programming. < 1316989620 71758 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think for me Ubuntu + GNOME is best. < 1316989620 727879 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :osx negative percentages to balance the >100%ery < 1316989625 678018 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have other disagreements with them, but they're just not acceptable programming platforms. < 1316989626 84175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only really mildly defend Linux, because I have the unfortunate symptom of thinking that Windows/OSX are actually quite good < 1316989643 501656 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never defend Linux because it's terrible. < 1316989651 119624 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, let's see if these nvidia drivers work. < 1316989675 398243 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is terrible.,,. < 1316989698 339574 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel that any unix-based OS is a pretty decent environment for programming. < 1316989701 646264 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_ is of the opinion that everything is terrible even if there's nothing better. < 1316989702 787762 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas Windows is terrible. < 1316989714 167228 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im agre with eliot+_ < 1316989721 875733 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1316989723 315408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I maintained C-INTERCAL on Windows' emulation of DOS for years < 1316989723 558317 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, see UNIX-HATERS. < 1316989726 131866 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye eliot_+ < 1316989740 350161 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 JOIN :#esoteric < 1316989747 225743 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the colours look better now. < 1316989753 425441 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :t. s. eliot_+ < 1316989797 80384 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me the main draw to linux (or another unix) is the shell utilities / mounds of free software < 1316989816 925438 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows has cygwin but that's not quite the same. < 1316989832 108340 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt the mounds of free-cost software are the reason, you can just pirate it. < 1316989837 98721 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows has a mess of ui i dont want and dont like < 1316989850 955886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it's a pretty good reason for me, probably the most important < 1316989852 362472 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: the fact that it's readily available and very easy to install (for the most part) < 1316989862 510888 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You are not CakeProphet. < 1316989867 619898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :selecting from a repo is much easier than trying to hunt down programs on Windows < 1316989874 682363 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I very much doubt CakeProphet has an objection to piracy. < 1316989877 928093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :partly, because from a repo you don't need to know the program you want in advance < 1316989886 870166 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, the fan control must be working, because it keeps turning the fans down then up again < 1316989889 129551 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop that < 1316989891 142429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a websearch is likely to return entirely the wrong program if you aren't searching by name < 1316989901 175581 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP THAT < 1316989931 651587 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'll try sensors-detect < 1316989953 712754 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh no, it didn't find any this time, but it did when I was using noveaueaueua. < 1316989981 883220 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION stops macfanctld to shut it up.
< 1316989993 511753 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... made the noise stop. < 1316989999 953530 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did it just stop the control without changing the fan? < 1316990001 79393 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye noise < 1316990008 145812 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer melt < 1316990015 831029 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reboots in panic.
< 1316990027 92828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most computers shut themselves down rather than melting when they overheat < 1316990032 606106 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1316990049 170449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that this computer does it on a regular basis because I keep forgetting to bang on the case to start the fan < 1316990093 399036 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 JOIN :#esoteric < 1316990096 482799 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes my computer shut down from an overheat just a few days ago actually. < 1316990097 305539 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Maybe you should invest in a hand-cranked fan; having a visible crank could be a nice reminder. < 1316990103 848600 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's monitoring fans just fine without macfanctld now, it seems. < 1316990118 728501 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wasn't aware that fan control was an OS thing.
< 1316990128 425460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the issue is that the fan doesn't spin when it's cold enough, which is usually < 1316990133 513918 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1316990135 427257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it does get hot, usually due to Flash, it tries to start the fan but fails < 1316990142 450376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then when I bang on the case, it actually starts < 1316990151 348885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't start if I bang on the case while it isn't trying to spin the fan < 1316990153 175817 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured the hardware itself simply controlled the fan based on a temp sensor or something. < 1316990160 652452 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What IS zeitgeist-daemon? < 1316990161 499346 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523? < 1316990163 78168 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's actually OS controlled? < 1316990164 588330 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1316990168 948710 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric : What IS zeitgeist-daemon? < 1316990172 747152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1316990190 22009 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i interprted it as "is zeitgeist-daemon ais523?" < 1316990194 293682 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I wonder as well. < 1316990203 983848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the issue is to detect that it's trying to start the fan and bang on the case then < 1316990204 779743 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It keeps crashing. < 1316990206 120867 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Often there's a firmware-based (within-ACPI whateverness) fan control, which the OS can then override for more configurable control. < 1316990215 658246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes a distinctive clicking noise when it happens, but a very quiet one, so sometimes I don't hear it in time < 1316990242 727947 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION opens LibreOffice for the hell of it
< 1316990243 546974 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah. and why would a OS override it? < 1316990248 972813 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, it's just as ugly as OpenOffice < 1316990252 598556 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just let it do its thing? < 1316990254 357619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"an OS"? < 1316990259 702348 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1316990271 392636 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking "a operating system" as I typed OS < 1316990276 653415 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's still an... < 1316990276 904432 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION removes LibreOffice and Ubuntu One from the panel
< 1316990277 808094 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so nevermind < 1316990278 595050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: most of the changes of LO over OOo have been bugfixes and internal changes < 1316990281 283259 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will never use them ever. < 1316990292 708117 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: libreoffice = openoffice with new name < 1316990294 254483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, are you sure you'll never need a Wordalike or Excelalike? < 1316990296 160501 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a ubuntu two < 1316990297 972637 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I'm not an idiot. < 1316990299 651890 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Never said that < 1316990302 880705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1316990310 529262 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then no, I'm not < 1316990316 458438 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure I'd use Abiword or Gnumeric, though < 1316990328 40211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a Powerpoint-alike? that actually happens to me quite a lot < 1316990344 252488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I have a huge, incredible burning hatred for Keynote < 1316990348 6014 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: In case of Linux, possibly because the user is a control freak and wants to use his/her own algorithm. (Though it could be that the firmware fan control is overly aggressive, and/or annoying in that it keeps toggling the fan "full blast / off / full blast / off / ..." while you'd prefer a more gradual adjustment for noise reasons.) < 1316990362 48871 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1316990365 994756 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is suddenly a control freak
< 1316990367 841267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it doesn't run on Linux, but it inspires hate indirectly becaus people sometimes use it) < 1316990370 738761 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't like presentations; and why? < 1316990376 954187 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keynote seems to produce acceptable output < 1316990380 388367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hatred, or the presentation use? < 1316990383 784884 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Former < 1316990394 280488 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my fan is rather loud right now and I'm at near 0% CPU usage < 1316990401 339238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its output is full of a range of annoyances that are inflicted on other people < 1316990420 798582 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thinkpad_acpi driver has a "fan_control=1" option, after which it lets the user to control it; it's "disabled by default for safety reasons". < 1316990424 232379 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Like? < 1316990430 281528 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously I'm asking for examples. < 1316990434 488085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like putting visible navigation controls on the view by default, and a really abysmal HTML output (to the extent that Hacker News persuaded someone to post the PDF instead as it wasn't as bad < 1316990435 891002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1316990440 471511 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it takes me a while to type a line! < 1316990445 405183 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think I used to have a... Toshiba laptop that also had a platform-specific fan thing. < 1316990451 916565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I don't think the fonts it uses by default look good at sizes larger than 12-point or so < 1316990467 195846 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I think Unity's awful stained-glass effect is actually intentional < 1316990475 740854 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awful stained-glass effect? < 1316990478 238075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: of course, you've heard of Aero Glass, right? < 1316990484 905007 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :awful stained-grlasa effeCGT? < 1316990491 722053 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but it just looks like a badly-dithered version of a blur < 1316990500 940153 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, visible navigation is annoying, and HTML too, but the formatting of Keynote PDFs has always been nicer than average presentations IME < 1316990507 87097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: that's what Aero Glass looks like too < 1316990513 807860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, without the bad dithering < 1316990521 756702 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dithering problem is gone < 1316990528 924112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: that's just because the sort of people who typically use Powerpoint are really bad at formatting < 1316990529 248415 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it actually looks badly dithered inherently. < 1316990537 645432 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not comparing to powerpoint < 1316990543 601828 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't read presentations by the kind of people who use powerpoint < 1316990546 427078 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about talk slides etc. < 1316990562 209634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what do you think the presentations are being made using, if it's not Keynote or Powerpoint? < 1316990569 202110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably the only person in the universe who willingly uses Impress < 1316990570 556587 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!insanetemp 26.8 < 1316990571 249758 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :80.2 < 1316990579 633932 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Pidgin, don't use my OS display picture as my MSN picture without asking < 1316990584 597 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my cpu is room temp atm < 1316990589 99030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: wow that is bad < 1316990595 543419 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can any TeX do slides hows < 1316990599 369758 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I look awful in that picture, I just did it because Ubuntu wanted me to < 1316990603 726850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever used Pidgin beyond trying to start it and realising I didn't know how to use it < 1316990616 495194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: there's some way to do presentations with LaTeX addons < 1316990618 117781 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses pidgin for cybersex and freelancing.
< 1316990623 802298 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: beamer < 1316990629 558393 :MichaelBurge!~quassel@75-175-84-99.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1316990629 715816 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is particularly adept for these purposes. < 1316990637 21628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: and elliott_ even knows what it's called < 1316990640 654820 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(23:44:15) Elliott: I hate computers < 1316990645 717066 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good first message to send with new Pidgin install. < 1316990650 150123 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Oh really? Because I use pidgin for cyberlancing and freesex. < 1316990652 442399 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1316990670 164333 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm / cyberlancing < 1316990671 644310 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyberlancing is fun but it's a bit too dangerous for me. < 1316990701 300200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust (>)*8(>+[-])*21 < 1316990702 20181 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1316990708 743235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cyberlance (>)*8(>+[-])*21 < 1316990715 340248 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_cyberlance: 15.7 < 1316990716 490767 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome < 1316990718 113495 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1316990720 108691 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MichaelBurge: ^^^ < 1316990727 365929 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming that's not an altnick for somebody else :P < 1316990728 674982 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1316990736 165947 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's been here for at least a day. < 1316990740 896373 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He quit earlier. < 1316990744 881313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the most common third component, besides design and deployment? < 1316990750 676233 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Development. < 1316990753 156594 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: But he didn't say anything, and nobody welcomed him :P < 1316990753 306411 :MichaelBurge!~quassel@75-175-84-99.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All these people talking about me < 1316990755 821288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, thanks < 1316990756 987197 :MichaelBurge!~quassel@75-175-84-99.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much attention :o < 1316990763 270928 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BTW, I could add a syntax to `? so you could say "`? welcome > MichaelBurge"... < 1316990766 829138 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it'd ping 'em. < 1316990778 411075 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh no, the indicator message box thing highlight is now blue, not green < 1316990781 285059 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Yup. Yup you could. < 1316990786 962638 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1316990788 205144 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Then I will, in a minute. < 1316990790 886487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: that's an "oh no"? < 1316990802 661391 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I WAS USED TO THE GREEN < 1316990816 603880 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played D&D game today. < 1316990842 309458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: have you considered adding a third player to your electronic circuit simulator? < 1316990846 523208 :MichaelBurge!~quassel@75-175-84-99.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskell has a bot written in Haskell, and several other channels have language-specific bots. Is the #esoteric bot written in Brainfuck or Unlambda? :p < 1316990859 280908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are several; fungot is written in Funge-98 < 1316990860 450160 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then i came to a lightless domed hall of vast proportions, whose vaultings were covered with demoniac carvings and in whose songs thou shalt hear notes of fnord by which the race expanded. for personal locomotion no external aid was used, since in the space following death some of the < 1316990866 965634 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What electronic circuit simulator? < 1316990867 21070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (hi, I'm written in Funge-98)S < 1316990867 506771 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, I'm written in Funge-98 < 1316990885 927974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's OK if you don't have one but you can if you want to < 1316990888 778565 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1316990889 153122 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1316990890 627735 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MichaelBurge: See above link < 1316990908 363121 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: O, OK. < 1316990916 224620 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo and Egobot are C I believe. < 1316990919 14008 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is pretty esoteric. < 1316990950 898376 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a lot of bots. we love bots. < 1316990968 586801 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was news-ham zepto < 1316990974 612038 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something else < 1316990981 732734 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1316990987 334364 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and zeptobot was python? my memorys all gone < 1316990989 422511 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 JOIN :#esoteric < 1316990993 280968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmnt_bot was python < 1316990993 497101 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is OK to program in. Some people disagree but I think C is good, but LLVM is better designed than C in my opinion, and with a lot of macro system and literate programming, LLVM would work well to write a program that you might otherwise write in C. < 1316991014 883555 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: grr, the icon for the battery indicator is horizontally squashed < 1316991020 225961 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it has annoying image scaling artefacts < 1316991023 909859 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1316991025 668516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1316991103 252969 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe I should try Empathy < 1316991106 506360 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's finally not terrible < 1316991157 178058 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs proprietary fonts because seriously the liberation fonts are bad.
< 1316991177 948847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's using them in preference to DejaVu fonts, which are pretty good? < 1316991195 106528 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then use the Computer Modern fonts (although they are not screenfonts, do you want screenfonts?) < 1316991208 839380 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I want screenfonts :P < 1316991217 665990 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, dejavu sans has awkward proportions < 1316991221 456018 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's good at replacing Verdana but little else < 1316991227 171885 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you use an electronic paper display, Computer Modern becomes a screenfont! < 1316991232 108230 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What operating system are you on? < 1316991233 466737 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the corefonts have the right proportions as the corefonts :-) < 1316991235 178229 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Ubuntu < 1316991236 654375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it's good as a font for use in the abstract, I think < 1316991252 809526 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know X can just use standard X bitmap fonts, but I don't know if the programs in Ubuntu use those. < 1316991253 284896 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I'm pretty sure most people always install mscorefont < 1316991254 12044 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's not a useful replacement for a webpage not designed for a font with its metrics < 1316991255 494380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I normally submit things like reports in DejaVu Sans < 1316991262 378347 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: They're disabled by default. < 1316991264 324144 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I don't have mscorefonts. < 1316991265 551207 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: No, most people don't. < 1316991267 433417 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... < 1316991273 928215 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I do. I guess I'm not most people then. :P < 1316991274 814389 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most people have no idea what the corefonts are. < 1316991277 670145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: webpages shouldn't be designed for particular font metrics < 1316991284 495861 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't really have time for this < 1316991291 942624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I installed mscorefonts, then later uninstalled it again < 1316991298 128924 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's a lie, I do, but I don't have the energy) < 1316991303 781247 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But WebSplat becomes a wholly different game when metrics change! < 1316991320 366041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't really noticed, apart from Neverwinter Nights 1 which substitutes a weird 7-segment-display type font where it'd normally use Courier New < 1316991327 267129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes things like scripts almost unreadable < 1316991336 126612 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm still bummed that nobody backed up HavenWorks. < 1316991355 628945 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I'm still not convinced that I haven't, I just made no effort whatsoever to actually find what stupid place I put it :P < 1316991380 951815 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear Firefox: "Feedback" is not worth being the largest button on your menu < 1316991389 66068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably is to them < 1316991395 505530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of the other options give them useful information < 1316991415 643768 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION clicks "Firefox made me sad because" and types in "the Feedback button takes up way too much screen real estate".
< 1316991435 787656 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.archive.org/web/20110207193433/http://havenworks.com/ Tada :P < 1316991443 870054 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Does it have al lthe images? < 1316991461 943074 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Well I haven't scrolled through all the madness, but it sure seems to. < 1316991480 314402 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesss < 1316991487 860353 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Can you collect the archive.org header images? X-D < 1316991510 141420 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That havenworks favicon logo thing is permanently ingrained into my head as "one of the enemies". < 1316991513 556780 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot to ever make a Zalgofier option for WebSplat .... < 1316991519 302798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, have you noticed that archive.org seems to have an interstitial nowadays? < 1316991532 576923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, it's more of a splash screen < 1316991549 339598 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to install a native 64 bit flash player
< 1316991553 860066 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: indeed, I don't like the redesign < 1316991569 695139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what triggers it, but I suspect it's based on referrer somehow < 1316991579 722679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either lack of a particular referrer, or seeing a referrer other than themselves < 1316991585 396230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try faking my referrer to see what happens < 1316991614 946089 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
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ACTION changes the terminal font
< 1316991648 229831 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At FreeGeek they print everything using the Liberation fonts except for the stuff I type, which I print using Computer Modern instead. < 1316991659 382569 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1316991670 675220 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Client Quit < 1316991676 229113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: what to? < 1316991692 400586 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comic sans. < 1316991693 580424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(DVSM is probably the only correct option, although I'll consider the possibility that there may be others) < 1316991702 108094 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the same font but smaller < 1316991708 317675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK, that's also acceptable < 1316991713 53771 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there are other correct options < 1316991714 436191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you just use control-minus for that, though? < 1316991716 730668 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inconsolata, for instance < 1316991720 75921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: on Linux, I mean < 1316991726 35229 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inconsolata works on Linux. < 1316991730 960218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not that much of a fan of Inconsolata, but it's not indefensible, I suppose < 1316991731 234289 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can convert Monaco to something that works on Linux. < 1316991734 226208 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consolas works on Linux too. < 1316991742 286713 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Inconsolata is nicest on OS X, oddly enough < 1316991754 658340 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since it wasn't /designed/ on OS X) < 1316991759 991187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's designed for an OS with exact subpixel display, I guess < 1316991764 728513 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1316991767 575065 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was designed on Linux < 1316991783 556757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, best practice is not to design around today's bugs, isn't it? < 1316991790 434723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, have bugfixes as a separate thing < 1316991796 621962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other people's bugfixes, that is < 1316991828 2208 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers increasing mouse acceleration, realises he hasn't actually solved the mouse driver problem yet.
< 1316991856 665858 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Justu se a simple fixpitch bitmap font it can work maybe < 1316991859 659212 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: here's an oneiric actual-bug: the indicator for volume control shows, but always displays as if the volume is 0 < 1316991867 873716 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the icon, which displays as minimum non-zero < 1316991885 867139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is sound itself working? the volume control indicator always displays at 50% here while Pulse is broken < 1316991889 771061 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(METAFONT programs are also compiled into bitmap fonts, but they are meant for printing font rather than screen) < 1316991895 746057 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep, it's working < 1316991901 319881 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is the volume control < 1316991932 514631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, but the volume control /indicator/ shows at 0? < 1316991964 484091 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1316991969 438641 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1316992024 704368 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nope, only the popup thing < 1316992027 462650 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the indicator itself works < 1316992028 543340 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soryr < 1316992032 327145 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]sorry < 1316992069 786019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1316992121 813993 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unity has no configuration, it seems < 1316992130 544154 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is annoying < 1316992136 533810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not surprising < 1316992142 12628 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's more extreme than gnome < 1316992146 989506 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnome always have /some/ config for anything non-trivial < 1316992153 669012 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe there's unity gconf keys < 1316992157 643014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people have been accusing me of going Gnome-style with AceHack's options < 1316992178 425531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your opinion on gconf, btw? I don't see why flat-files in dotfiles or /etc wouldn't be a better idea < 1316992189 772272 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gconf is fine, but it's probably not a good design < 1316992198 730326 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically /is/ backed by xml files < 1316992207 857194 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reduce to flatfiles when you remove badness < 1316992220 735468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but centralised flatfiles rather than one-per-app < 1316992229 450801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I suppose that might help in config deployment or something like that < 1316992234 678196 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't really work < 1316992241 693295 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, they are centralised in ~/.gconf < 1316992251 715094 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but consolidating all "same" options in every app to one... < 1316992253 21812 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is not really easy < 1316992269 695372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, across multiple computers < 1316992276 496345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to turn everyone's desktops red remotely, for instance < 1316992277 896893 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in @, I think configuration will basically be a hierarchical key-value type thing with human-friendly names, descriptions, and change-UIs (basically, "how to show the mutator for this configuration option") < 1316992284 877055 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with specialised configuration interfaces for the common stuff < 1316992296 218415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's non-obvious in Linux, and an intended usecase for the relevant Windows thing < 1316992329 126369 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :youmean the registry? < 1316992336 414170 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/youmean/you mean/ < 1316992342 880402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, there's some remote configuration-pushing-out tool < 1316992350 409126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that connects to the registry, but isn't the registry < 1316992383 24862 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should never update anything < 1316992388 810547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the things that makes enterprises want to use Windwos < 1316992390 335540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Windows < 1316992390 668216 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should just use the same settings for everything forever < 1316992405 704015 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, wait, isn't gconf actually deprecated? < 1316992407 458173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :security fixes? new features? < 1316992438 778391 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: s/features/problems/ < 1316992445 597243 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/security fixes/ok I can't think of a good response to that/ < 1316992449 146718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose < 1316992456 557258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but features can be useful too < 1316992457 458258 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can at least use the group policy infrastructure to push registry changes, among other things. < 1316992466 913530 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if someone offered to convert my OS into @ < 1316992562 316778 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.80 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1316992593 860295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1316992600 819446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yay, it's now win+space to bring up unity now < 1316992603 447980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better < 1316992612 57382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what configuratoid did you change? < 1316992628 124220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used compiz config settings manager :P < 1316992634 891385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to edit the plugin's settings < 1316992667 504661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, compizconfig < 1316992692 221422 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :conpizcomfig. < 1316992710 794549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I still get to use compizconfig with unity, then it'd make me consider it slightly more than I am at the moment < 1316992715 774592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/mLUyt.png <-- umm, could you be more specific? < 1316992725 864630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ais: click that :P) < 1316992726 356287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Unity uses Compiz < 1316992736 915036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what's Unity like from a window management perspective? can you put windows side by side? overlap them? < 1316992743 371388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Unity uses Compiz < 1316992748 796307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just replaces the panel < 1316992750 558378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch that font < 1316992758 710439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, what? < 1316992761 4661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah, so like windows/gnome/KDE < 1316992761 46976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just the Ubuntu font < 1316992764 991827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's been used for /ages/ now < 1316992772 779467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's hurting my eyes despite that < 1316992776 89273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, except it uses GNOME applications, too < 1316992776 743630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The problem cannot be reported: < 1316992776 909175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have some obsolete package versions installed. Please upgrade the following packages and check if the problem still occurs: < 1316992776 927434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnome-settings-daemon, gnome-desktop3-data, libatk1.0-0, libatk1.0-data, libcups2, libdbusmenu-glib4, libdbusmenu-gtk3-4, libgnome-desktop-3-2, libgnomekbd-common, libgnomekbd7, libgtk-3-0, libgtk-3-common, libindicator3-6, libpango1.0-0, libx11-6, libx11-data, nautilus-data" < 1316992780 524186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of obsoletion < 1316992780 709507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the lowercase l < 1316992784 12523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the hinting settings, then? < 1316992788 942068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quite likw it < 1316992791 336485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/w/e/ < 1316992792 790991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's just the shape of the letters < 1316992798 581880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hinting changes the shape of letters < 1316992800 66902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot < 1316992801 271543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use it, and I'm on the most recent LTS version which doesn't < 1316992802 769898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, hmm < 1316992814 119406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, that lowercase l is still unforgivable < 1316992819 425233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it, I even use it for IRC < 1316992823 337917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm closing the tab so it stops hurting my eyes < 1316992827 522602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not IM, strangely enough < 1316992841 30961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs a software upgrade; maybe it'll fix my trackpad :P
< 1316992846 951130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb while it does that < 1316992862 997807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only eight hundred kb to download? < 1316992864 311752 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the Ubuntu font is supposed to be friendly. < 1316992865 131704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it did it in the background < 1316992993 633303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps they've actually started using binary-diffing for updates < 1316993370 367130 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :more likely they've implemented background downloading < 1316993583 791323 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From stupid concepts land: orthogonally persistent Brainfuck. < 1316994083 221407 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :orthogonally persistent Haskell. < 1316994364 76722 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, see, that'd be a decent idea. < 1316994457 21603 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does orthogonally persistent means? < 1316994457 40239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1316994473 67388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: wikipedia has a good explanation; basically modified data persists automatically < 1316994486 941856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no separate storage mechanism such as a filesystem is required < 1316994500 868157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know why it was; I selected to download updates while installing < 1316994512 157032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1316994532 596186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: presumably an orthogonal persistence mechanism might use a filesystem behind the scenes < 1316994541 567980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure < 1316994546 257764 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be boring though < 1316994563 805991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: mostly, it would be inefficient < 1316994608 473215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL Wikipedia has banned the Church of Scientology from editing any articles. It’s a punishment for repeated and deceptive editing of articles related to the controversial religion. (wired.com) < 1316994614 33284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: umm, isn't it just from editing Scientology articles? < 1316994654 618126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: check the list of arbitration cases < 1316994655 30849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, the firefox feedback thing disappeared < 1316994662 21649 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmap is *pretty close* to an orthogonal persistence method in stock UNIX. < 1316994689 882711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1316994727 326911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wow, they took your feedback on board quickly < 1316994740 93765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1316994744 577623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but needs an explicit msync < 1316994750 618630 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider Church of Scientology is not a proper religion it is just a fake they try to do everything wrong on purpose, etc. It is the only one like that, that I currently know of. < 1316994786 689695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are plenty of cults < 1316994806 218406 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is too bad that they failed to invent a proper religion, and invented an improper religion instead. < 1316994816 175305 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe because they don't know how?? I don't know < 1316994827 602662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's your criteria for a proper religion < 1316994832 930642 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just about to ask, myself < 1316994865 139071 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Much more pressing, it doesn't really do anything like, say, persisting a continuation so that on restart code flow just goes back to a previous state. < 1316994869 747861 :ive!~nn@189.179.246.222 JOIN :#esoteric < 1316994876 977596 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but Church of Scientology is not a proper religion. But I think someone in this channel told me there are also Freezone, maybe it is proper religion; but I don't know other things about it < 1316994892 793959 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I cannot be quite sure < 1316994901 369627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you want details on Wikipedia arbcom cases, try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Cases/All < 1316994956 594848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, I missed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Date_delinking < 1316994956 899024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BTW, mmap documentation says that you're not guaranteed to get modifications to the file in the memory map. Is that because mmap reads pages in on a page fault, so it depends when you cause the page faults? < 1316994960 348959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Hmph :P < 1316994961 499561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I didn't < 1316994962 769425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks fun just from the name < 1316994964 998395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the one thing I noticed < 1316994972 158586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1316994975 289044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed the bot happening < 1316994977 425568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not an arbcom case about it < 1316995012 233429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, 19 principles, 27 findings of fact, 32 remedies, and 7 amendments? < 1316995021 682077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you get that sort of crazy situation coming out of /date delinking// < 1316995025 959870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :drama < 1316995027 325184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\/$/?/ < 1316995044 635776 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Pretty much. < 1316995064 622204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: your mistake is thinking it's about date delinking < 1316995080 893975 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: MAP_SHARED will make it so that modifications to the file *from another mmap* will be guaranteed to be seen by other processes, though. < 1316995084 155874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's probably about power-hunger < 1316995091 553027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems like a really minor thing to be power-hungry over < 1316995121 391380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and page faults are pretty much the only way to overload memory access, right? < 1316995139 69041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's either about (a) power or (b) two people not liking each other. < 1316995149 886290 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Right. < 1316995152 850522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't matter what the supposed issue is. < 1316995165 20826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if it did, it wouldn't have to go to arbcom, because it'd be about the actual issue itself) < 1316995176 151395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's a shame. < 1316995187 942761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How much slower is a page fault (not counting the handler, just the actual overhead) than a regular memory access?