< 1318291802 685682 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "about". < 1318291811 573190 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: technically, every number has a precise value. < 1318291820 663356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: That doesn't mean we know it. < 1318291850 704886 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the speed of light has a precise value because the units are defined that way. < 1318291963 422228 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Unlike most physical quantities, the speed of light has a perfectly known value. < 1318291990 191741 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is 299,792,458 meters per second precisely. < 1318292027 492350 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(however, the meter and the second have never been *precisely* measured) < 1318292089 790335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/CeBF < 1318292091 764313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally. < 1318292268 795484 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You're writing qhc, eh? < 1318292292 208386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Unless you can prove to me that the name qhc is actually being used in which case I'll be writing some other letter followed by hc. < 1318292668 88303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey shachaf, write my parser for me. < 1318292685 810899 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should use Trifecta! < 1318292702 441143 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorear was the person who was talking about "QHC" a few years ago, but I think he's lost interest in Haskell. < 1318292705 522320 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's probably fine. < 1318292713 187116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't sorear the TAEB guy? < 1318292724 178888 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Among other things. < 1318292733 891848 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: edwardk will be happy if you used trifecta to write your parser. < 1318292740 668106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he's literally just the TAEB guy. And the only reason he's the TAEB guy is because ais is also the TAEB guy. < 1318292753 671573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm aiming for self-hosting with no language extensions. < 1318292768 676466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't feel like examining Trifecta's ten thousand dependencies to find out how hard it would be to make them standard. < 1318292795 744291 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But it's the best library ever. < 1318292823 455688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'll rewrite the parser once I get around to writing my parser combinator library. < 1318292849 437192 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great, so you can use trifecta until then. :-) < 1318292853 666319 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will your library be better than trifecta? < 1318292951 10259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. < 1318292955 830189 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impossible. < 1318292961 181255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's going to be based on the parsing-with-derivatives stuff. < 1318292969 654409 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll see. < 1318292974 452950 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1318292985 961225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With nice diagnostics (I was into this before trifecta came along, okay) and ~streaming~. < 1318293000 200186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it should be able to parse any CFG, the less ridiculous the more efficient. < 1318293006 472396 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do those tildes form a little stream? < 1318293039 316030 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1318293039 775012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1318293040 403360 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should improve the library for https://github.com/orenbenkiki/yamlreference/blob/master/Text/Yaml/Reference.bnf < 1318293064 718292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't like yaml. :( Also, I think I've seen that parser before. < 1318293072 304935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least something with the same syntax. < 1318293080 384368 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you not like YAML? < 1318293137 108978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a soulless shell of a human being. < 1318293142 100679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It happens. < 1318293293 564240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Hey, what's a good interned string library. < 1318293362 265268 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk wrote one < 1318293372 205151 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that mean it's good, or does that only work for Trifecta? < 1318293456 397662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It depends on at least type families. < 1318293460 738542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to implement type families. < 1318293472 239258 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type families are all the rage, man. < 1318293485 69239 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not going to restrict yourself to boring old Haskell 98, are you? < 1318293493 235787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two thousand and ten to start with. < 1318293493 569973 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know who else restricted himself to Haskell 98? < 1318293496 487339 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1318293503 718502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of planning a pure-type-system approach, so type families shouldn't be /that/ hard, really. < 1318293518 440859 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the spirit. < 1318293533 977129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ...but I still want to keep the compiler pure Haskell, so it can bootstrap nicely from other things. < 1318293566 212226 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Write a QHC-Haskell-to-plain-Haskell compiler. < 1318293584 815123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: [asterisk]qhc < 1318293592 453625 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't asterisk me. < 1318293618 551193 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, do the thing kmc always talks about where you compile to bytecode and then have a portable ANSI C bytecode interpreter. < 1318293785 348629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: How is that better than having a portable C backend? < 1318293942 926039 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to be writing a portable C backend? < 1318293955 786598 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What's the state of qHc right now, anyway? Is it anything other than an AST? < 1318293966 950192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's an AST, but in fairness I've only worked on it for like a day. < 1318293981 362090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Next up is a parser-sans-layout because I can't be bothered to deal with layout. < 1318293985 356469 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinds appear to be missing from what you have < 1318293985 989557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :After that, who knows. < 1318293993 62093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinds aren't part of the language. < 1318293997 779357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they are, but not the AST. < 1318294065 584518 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a parser for Haskell, which also does not deal with layout. However it has a few other restrictions too. < 1318294139 983876 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Trifecta makes layout so easy! < 1318294146 472652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That is CHEATING. < 1318294158 684022 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Seems ideal for you, then. < 1318294170 875299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm offended. < 1318294180 766039 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I resent that! I don't deny it, but I resent it!" < 1318294351 520947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Reports that Geoffrey and I and the sound engineers were buried in a subterranean studio for weeks on end, taking as long to produce a single sound effect as other people took to produce an entire series (and stealing everybody else’s studio time in which to do so), were all vigorously denied but absolutely true." < 1318294659 22191 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another problem with the Haskell parser I wrote is that the error messages do not always make sense. < 1318294681 896255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I see yours? :-P < 1318294860 583604 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/RYSW < 1318294890 872007 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides that his "omniscience paradox" is pretty much just the same thing as "Is the answer to this question 'no'?"
< 1318294905 274130 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1318294931 52390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks a bit overly short for being a Haskell parser < 1318294934 397283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What limitations does it have beyond no layout? :P < 1318294984 822536 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much for disproving omniscient beings with math bluh < 1318295005 180863 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are not allowed to have \& at the end of a string literal, and floating point numbers must have a decimal point, whether or not the exponent is specified. In addition, quasiquotation uses Haskell syntax instead of its own. < 1318295025 548828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't see any handling of e.g. data declarations < 1318295043 853535 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only parses into tokens and groups of tokens, so far. I can add ASTs later. < 1318295125 587934 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The things I currently have are also a bit messy and I can improve them a bit, at a later time. < 1318295224 828018 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I intended to use it for a preprocessor and not using all the syntax; for example the "o" and "x" in "0o" and "0x" must be in lowercase, and the hexadecimla "ABCDEF" must be uppercase. But I have added some extensions, such as the ability to specify integer literals in binary. < 1318295412 172272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Quantum_mechanics&curid=25202&diff=454965738&oldid=454857120 < 1318295577 845352 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is ABCDEF *gets shot* coming along? < 1318295585 513612 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, other than "It isn't" < 1318295623 148189 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adjudicated Blind Collaborative Design Esolang Factory < 1318295652 9259 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me it's still up < 1318295652 839873 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1318295731 987428 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay it's still up < 1318295927 72896 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can tell you something about the D&D session I played today: Neither of us used any class features during this session (although both of us have used some of the racial abilities). < 1318296144 163135 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1318296681 736896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1318297467 478837 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1318298430 290178 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have still not selected the two spells from next experience level. (They can be up to 3rd level) < 1318298668 416217 :CakeProphet!~eris@c-24-126-235-176.hsd1.ga.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318298668 725516 :CakeProphet!~eris@c-24-126-235-176.hsd1.ga.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1318298668 872215 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1318301457 406375 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1318301468 636843 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1318301474 123756 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1318302292 137080 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the Dungeons&Dragons game, once I wanted to tie a note to a rock to throw it through a window so that they can read it. I had no writing equipment, so instead I looked through a book I had for a similar phrase, tore it out, and tied that to the rock. < 1318302318 436260 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should've prepared exploding runes. < 1318302339 709036 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intended them to be read, not exploded! < 1318302368 271640 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it'll get read. < 1318302373 61255 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then explode. < 1318302411 37121 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1318302471 552518 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1318302500 943230 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not intend them to explode. I was not intending to damage anyone, but I had to break the window to get the message through (I could not actually get anywhere near the window, due to magic fog). I do not know that spell, do not have a spellbook, and do not want to waste the magic. < 1318302591 302318 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I wanted to be able to repair the book afterward. < 1318302598 873511 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still should've prepared exploding runes. < 1318302720 333762 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean, if you had it your way, it would. And then it would have exploded *you*. < 1318302727 665388 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm with pikhq_ < 1318302733 330174 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Guess which spell I prepared this morning" < 1318302813 666177 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Death to the Caster. < 1318302890 316828 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think would be the way to design variations on the Mount spell to summon different mounts? < 1318302961 278724 :calamari!~calamari@72.211.146.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/META_II < 1318303023 719563 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so it means, VALGOL I and VALGOL II are separate from VALGOL. < 1318303043 364405 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As well as different from each other, too.) < 1318303101 918751 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is the first virtual machine; that is also interesting to know. As well as some of its other features. < 1318303148 636072 :calamari!~calamari@72.211.146.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the master language lol < 1318303271 257596 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1318303418 848134 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just came up with a craaazy idea: You know how you can 'fingerprint' people by their gait? I was thinking of 'fingerprinting' people who make rhythm game levels by asking for them to make a 'stream' of a few hundred notes in row, analyzing it markov chain style and then applying it to other streams they make < 1318303422 154942 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since everyone does it a little differently < 1318303428 757236 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could even use it to make streams for you and save time < 1318303503 907216 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if you are satisfied with markov chain generated stream, it would work, I suppose. < 1318303860 432516 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not record the experience totals for the D&D game yet, but can you try to guess the difference between mine and my brother? < 1318304026 463315 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1318304151 909956 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an idea of a D&D single use magic item that allows you to use a single black card of your choice from the deck of many things; the target must be the same as the user. < 1318304172 765177 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Red cards and jokers are not permitted in this case) < 1318304560 327980 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once someone attempts to use it (a standard action provoking attacks of opportunity), they will know what it is and what the choices are, but is not forced to use it immediately; you are permitted to delay its use indefinitely, but it can only be used once. Once it is identified, it can be activated as an immediate action. < 1318304639 466190 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much do you think it would be worth? < 1318305117 878768 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1318305391 14327 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next time, instead of the "Adjudicated Blind Collaborative Design Esolang Factory", you can make up the "Adjacent Blink Collated Deserted Esoteric Factoids". < 1318307559 123209 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Catch-22 (logic): In need of something which can only be had by not being in need of it." A computer game I once had included something like this. Someone tells you that they will give you two water energies, but only if you don't need it. However, in that game, you are permitted to lie and they will believe you. < 1318308342 137660 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1318308927 848353 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How's qнc going? < 1318308946 275038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Trying to think of a decent first approximation of a name representation. < 1318308949 308727 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1318308961 179849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is to distract myself from the fact that Haskell's grammar is awful. < 1318308975 156539 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should call it by some untypeable Unicode name. < 1318308984 278122 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way only people like kmc can use it. < 1318309002 20119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "qhc" is untypeable with a sufficiently non-English keyboard. < 1318309005 869948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's certainly Unicode. < 1318309013 991966 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Can you fix all the bad things about Haskell while you're at it? < 1318309017 425213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If kmc uses an English keyboard, we're all set. < 1318309022 838095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No. Try @. < 1318309031 702527 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language is @ written in? < 1318309036 793197 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does @ transcend language? < 1318309053 264408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ constitutes a self-hosted @lang environment. < 1318309059 81161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The @lang compiler will be written in @lang. < 1318309063 660724 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Can you get rid of the arrow in lambda syntax? < 1318309084 252194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably there will be a lower-level language underlying it, say @ll, that the @lang compiler compiles down to, and that certain sections of low-level code are written in. < 1318309085 914770 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That thing always bothered me. It's not as if it's a huge compatibility issue or anything. < 1318309102 300536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And obviously bootup/low-level allocation/scheduler code will be platform-specific assembly. < 1318309106 4963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: And replace it with what? < 1318309110 705855 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing. < 1318309157 763820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What's (\f x f x)? < 1318309174 991227 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\f\x f x, you mean? < 1318309210 795340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ah. < 1318309232 242354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Wait, I know the answer: No. < 1318309249 830595 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. < 1318309322 646721 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1318309555 189227 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (\f x f x) < 1318309556 75212 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `)' < 1318309559 861779 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (\f x -> f x) < 1318309560 734353 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t t1. (t -> t1) -> t -> t1 < 1318309565 38545 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (.) < 1318309565 811020 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b (f :: * -> *). (Functor f) => (a -> b) -> f a -> f b < 1318309570 298415 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1318309571 771730 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ($) < 1318309572 579040 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (a -> b) -> a -> b < 1318309583 932489 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 `(\x y -> x + y)` 2 < 1318309584 852122 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `(' < 1318309587 31113 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1318309988 414375 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1318309988 707695 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :*.net *.split < 1318309988 854741 :jix!~jix@dronf.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1318309988 854969 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-153-125.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1318310050 758409 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1318310050 905132 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1318310050 905282 :jix!~jix@dronf.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318310050 905359 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-153-125.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318310123 886868 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone said there is some possible personality effects based on the month you are born, according to New Scientist. What is the title of the Wikipedia article relating to that study? Obviously you still have to be careful, to do statistics accurately and so on < 1318310150 154308 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the season related? Is cultural effects related? < 1318310210 727498 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1318310228 717220 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1318310319 808287 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :My money is on seasonal TV programming. < 1318310394 47853 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, maybe. Of course you also should remember, that usually the birthday is celebrated close to the actual date of each year of their actual birthdate. < 1318310479 446660 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that has something to do with it too. < 1318310608 898141 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1318310613 116843 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1318310743 247325 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seasonal TV programming cycles too fast, and birthdays happen to little, I think. < 1318310749 528007 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(too fast compared to development, at least) < 1318310947 164784 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, possibly. Do you have the report? < 1318311085 813792 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :When my registrar is emailing me that codu.xxx is available, that's a problem. < 1318311194 955508 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rule 34 applied to music? < 1318311198 848452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote When my registrar is emailing me that codu.xxx is available, that's a problem. < 1318311202 869923 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :706) When my registrar is emailing me that codu.xxx is available, that's a problem. < 1318311205 78736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Register it. < 1318311282 595165 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1318311284 956112 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: What about Rule 34 applied to music? < 1318311292 30893 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1318311321 480008 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Register it without including an HTTP server (or at least, not on port 80) < 1318311337 436778 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I take offense to that! < 1318311343 508656 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's nothing legitimate about them. < 1318311392 705192 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That's what I presume codu.xxx would partially contain < 1318311412 808413 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or ... just make porn *shrugs* < 1318311441 820097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Have you registered it yet. < 1318311516 191812 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think you should leave port 80 unused on that server. < 1318311533 368435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: zzo really doesn't want you to have an HTTP server. < 1318311574 828781 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION listens on port 80
< 1318311579 267380 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear nothing. < 1318311735 956738 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just don't want you to have an HTTP server on the "codu.xxx" server. < 1318311749 541265 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Regardless of its contents) < 1318311788 324251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why < 1318311860 724825 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of the stupid TLD system. < 1318311908 41382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What has that got to do with HTTP < 1318312026 241448 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1318312290 4548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1318312647 114467 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1318313933 347416 :calamari!~calamari@72.211.146.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so new scientist is supporting astrology? < 1318314022 226619 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: No. It was doing a statistical study of the months people are born (nothing to do with stars). I do not know the details; but I have some guesses as to what can effect it. < 1318314184 421577 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously it does not make sense to plot the IAU zodiac on a horoscope; because only the angular zodiacs are suitable for that purpose. < 1318314192 154790 :calamari!~calamari@72.211.146.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sun sign astrology is the form of astrology most commonly found in many newspaper and magazine columns. It is a simplified system of astrology which considers only the position of the Sun, which is said to be placed within one of the twelve zodiac signs depending on the month of birth. This sign is then called the sun sign or star sign of the person born that month." < 1318314272 684095 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah it's more like, if you're born in month X you're more likely to have < 1318314280 313793 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of how it lines up with the seasons and biologicallyness < 1318314304 42640 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: That is true, which means that of course the sun signs have correlations with the months! It means nothing else. < 1318314314 448880 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Yes, it is the kind of things I was thinking of. < 1318314374 612405 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, seasons. For example, some people say that if you are born in summertime you might be outside more because your parents would be outside more. < 1318314433 995475 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1318314460 674330 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1318314520 919600 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like how in ancient times they predicted the flood by the stars, what they were effectively doing is using the stars as a calendar, although they might not have known that at the time. Science was not invented back then, so people had different beliefs. < 1318314783 442833 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: What do *you* think? Do you have any specific examples, as well as their values of statistical correlation, what kind of sampling is done, and so on, etc, ? < 1318314791 217865 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not < 1318315467 586623 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1318316271 879969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1318317885 110608 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have looked up information for eclipses and computed horoscopes for them, hiding everything except the sun, moon, north node, and the first five aspects. The north (or south) node is in range as described on Wikipedia, and the sun and moon are as expected; the sun and moon are at the same position in a solar eclipse, and opposite in a lunar eclipse. (The only aspect used is opposite, for lunar eclipses.) < 1318318066 8143 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The solar system view would also make it apparent, except that the zoom level is wrong. < 1318318660 775545 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1318318666 104967 :calamari!~calamari@72.211.146.193 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1318322199 776725 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1318322310 349426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1318323881 87313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1318324747 188975 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1318329856 753369 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1318329891 158845 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1318330374 478054 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A2A0.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318330432 925127 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1318331085 230875 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1318332450 233692 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: well, the second also has a perfectly known value. < 1318332471 644848 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that the value is pretty annoying to use. < 1318332788 423284 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A2A0.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1318333562 977788 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1318333728 749566 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1318333812 933756 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1318337549 595081 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 . < 1318337919 174107 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1318337959 253400 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1318339096 149246 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1318341224 341359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1318341555 199873 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1318341667 481557 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1318341998 163370 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1318342010 352077 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1318342298 414346 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1318342403 65331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in California: court finds that warrantless searches of people's phones at traffic stops are legal; legislature votes for a new law to ban them; governor vetoes it on the basis that the court found that it was legal < 1318342414 237716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, isn't the whole point of making a new law to change the law? < 1318342665 746898 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that veto won't survive a return trip to the legislature < 1318342672 500934 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1318342742 927196 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :*.net *.split < 1318342743 73970 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1318342743 220645 :jix!~jix@dronf.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1318342743 220783 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-153-125.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1318343069 801449 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1318343069 948262 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1318343069 948400 :jix!~jix@dronf.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318343069 948482 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-153-125.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318343187 330942 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1318343538 261673 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1318344184 531514 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1318344476 365309 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1318344476 724392 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 7 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1318344482 257289 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :614) I think Perl is a programming language too. [...] < 1318345131 605822 :TeruFSX_!~quassel@71-210-153-125.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318345152 944487 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1318345242 937078 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1318345363 308380 :jix_!~jix@dronf.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318345417 867151 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-153-125.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1318345538 100809 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1318345538 345584 :jix!~jix@dronf.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1318345903 223475 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318345910 73535 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1318346193 425680 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. < 1318346612 638294 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much happening in the world of esoteric programming? < 1318346677 395281 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1318346834 233175 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*exoteric voodoo programming < 1318347443 315105 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got a friend who believes all programming languages must have a compiler < 1318347452 418325 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1318347453 243813 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise they aren't actually programming languages < 1318347518 625679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: implementation, or compiler specifically? < 1318347527 710956 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiler specifically < 1318347772 949795 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I brought up the subject of interpreters, which he rejected emphatically < 1318347968 215348 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference between Haskell and Literate Haskell? < 1318348100 289167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether they're comment or noncomment by default, is the only technical difference < 1318348110 270318 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay < 1318348111 307650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. in Haskell you mark comments, in Literate Haskell you mark the code < 1318348132 36956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Literate Haskell's designed specifically for literate programming, which is noticeably different from regular styles of programming < 1318348146 755307 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting < 1318348178 181786 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, why are you friends with this person. < 1318348180 621122 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop it. < 1318348192 765906 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said friend < 1318348215 913006 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really meant annoying acquaitance < 1318348260 723058 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1318348516 597538 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :His dad's apparently a professor of computer science, so really he should know better < 1318348606 11666 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1318348645 389607 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, as we all know, knowledge of CS is passed on by Lamarckian inheritance. < 1318348664 901706 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently he's getting his knowledge from his dad < 1318348685 623668 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing as he's one of the few people I know who knows what a programming language /is/ < 1318348700 111765 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think his dad may have taught him one or two things over the years < 1318348708 49202 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1318348823 700061 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1318348897 935807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1318348941 539161 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318349177 902369 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory NICK :BeholdMyGlory < 1318349197 563546 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to do some work on XSLT S and K < 1318349207 747134 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've almost cracked it < 1318349316 637901 :nooga!~nooga@95.108.116.52 JOIN :#esoteric < 1318349320 381196 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're implementing SKI in XSLT? < 1318349328 369552 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1318349331 894694 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gods < 1318349338 128146 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had about four tries < 1318349382 328306 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1318349398 413069 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I call the variable that is 34... of S1234...? < 1318349405 629604 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have decided to start taking the empty set's name in vain) < 1318349436 739194 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It includes the rather dodgy XPath of //s/*[3]/../*[1] < 1318349657 632300 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, if I know my XPath, which I don't, returns the first child of an s node with at least three children < 1318349802 511305 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1318349814 136914 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Client Quit < 1318349839 488648 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on < 1318349886 497492 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does (((Sx)y)z) become ((xz)(yz)) < 1318349968 502363 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh yeah < 1318349989 150125 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, does xsl:copy-of work with a forest < 1318350002 248039 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say ./*[position()>2] < 1318350129 416340 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ALSO < 1318350139 958332 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : What should I call the variable that is 34... of S1234...? < 1318350151 199104 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sxyz is standard; the fourth argument is irrelevant. < 1318350157 217578 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-107-160.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318350167 328562 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1318350188 132043 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I pass a node to a template as a param, can I do param/.. and get that node's parent node? < 1318350221 670963 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, Phantom_Hoover, that isn't quite what I meant. Not your fault, I was making a mistake which I corrected < 1318350226 887219 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-107-160.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1318350230 164225 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted 234... < 1318350388 601363 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that last question is the important one < 1318350413 304778 :kmc_!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318350554 38904 :kmc!~keegan@98.216.51.47 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1318350812 620334 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: what a big quitter he is, eh? < 1318350955 7106 :kmc_!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net NICK :kmc < 1318351048 348356 :sliddy!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1318351126 380295 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1318352960 72648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1318353969 115638 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1318354018 303909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1318354019 781343 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1318354151 491740 :nooga!~nooga@95.108.116.52 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1318354204 334494 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318354205 324573 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1318354310 190779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1318354325 913546 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What news of Gondor? < 1318354359 325644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1318354385 448985 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey elliott < 1318355042 419527 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: ais523 just scammed BN hardcore < 1318355269 7661 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1318355371 372569 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BN? < 1318355469 539170 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blackberry network? < 1318355543 797190 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Black Ninjas. let's just say ais523 is _really_ in trouble now. < 1318355555 982279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :blognomic < 1318355556 804951 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: blognomic < 1318355564 55761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Ngevd even play blognomic < 1318355569 485854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1318355573 935589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it /was/ a great scam, though < 1318355583 377069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as usual, there's bickering over whether it worked < 1318355606 492998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the BlogNomic strategy was to insist that scams aren't possible, and then continue playing a lie < 1318355610 935674 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, oh man, there was so much wailing and gnashing of teeth about that in school. < 1318355622 136201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, BlogNomic scams? < 1318355628 321486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: quite a few players do that, but not all of them < 1318355637 700252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was reminiscent of Agoran scams < 1318355645 290954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, it was more reminiscent of B ruleset bugs < 1318355654 437276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I invoked the precedence rule < 1318355661 511231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is quite an Agoran thing to do < 1318355997 426627 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1318356208 741813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://9to5mac.com/2011/10/10/photoshop-unblur-leaves-max-audience-gasping-for-air/ they should make it illegal to implement features that make CSI-enhancing more realistic < 1318356313 985093 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad focus vs. blur vs. making shit up that isn't in the original pixels < 1318356330 529351 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :this only addresses motion blur, which isn't impossible < 1318356444 983882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: It's only a matter of time before they figure out how to run content-aware resizing in reverse! < 1318356447 824506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or do they do that already?) < 1318356511 642307 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh FFS, what kind of form imposes character *and* line limits. < 1318356541 975323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :twitter < 1318356553 972351 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there was a paper on that in siggraph a couple of years ago < 1318356565 428822 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :they pulled shit that "fit" out of a large repository of images < 1318356572 591500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: I know there was a paper on content-aware resizing in siggraph, that's what got everyone hyped about it :P < 1318356575 662468 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :to deocclude a part of an image < 1318356576 693203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible they did uncropping too though < 1318356578 176304 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :next, run it on hubble images < 1318356582 296672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw content aware resizing is so overrated < 1318356586 370375 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's what I'm talking about < 1318356591 389516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they totally just picked good examples :P < 1318356594 96025 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :de-occluding < 1318356600 840160 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever the term they picked for it is < 1318356662 274494 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :inclusive occlusion < 1318356759 958692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doccluding. < 1318356842 355283 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/l7u75/wtf_bbc_news_quote_mining_to_make_occupy_wall/ < 1318356856 50984 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Redditor demonstrates failure to understand this 'satire' thing. < 1318357039 154169 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you expect in r/wtf < 1318357049 986593 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Fair point. < 1318357763 730653 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1318358278 517070 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1318358534 195179 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1318358696 394276 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR GOD'S SAKE UCAS WHY DO YOU NEED 47 LINES OR LESS WHYYYYYYYY < 1318358809 520721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's to test your ability to write in limited spaces on forms < 1318358819 395376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When in Rome, do as Romans. On Windows platform, Visual Basic can build much better looking, much usable GUI than gtk2hs. And Visual Studio allows you do it in no time. Don't you agree?" < 1318358838 586107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't ever expect to be seriously asked to defend the statement "Haskell is better than Visual Basic". < 1318358844 839374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the "serious" answer, IIRC, is because there's also a paper version of the form and they're giving people the same amount of space on both forms) < 1318358850 971866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you weren't < 1318358852 618431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not serious < 1318358854 924963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it is < 1318358857 100240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: unfortunately < 1318358859 210598 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it really < 1318358861 852607 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really really < 1318358862 134216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1318358864 534631 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1318358864 767192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1318358874 77643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, I suppose it is serious, believing Visual Basic is better than Haskell could be fatal < 1318358901 822111 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad < 1318358909 376838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I've been avoiding downvoting their comments for fairness, but they might actually deserve it for breaking my brain like that < 1318358915 633299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(more seriously, VB.NET is not a completely awful language; it's on a similar level to C# or Java, both languages which I dislike, but which aren't down to VB6 or PHP standards) < 1318358990 385017 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1318359027 446125 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1318359154 306649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No, I'm not referring to Turing completeness, which only non-practical people care about." < 1318359170 50970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, doesn't that reddit enhancement suite offer username ignores? < 1318359238 411619 :kmc_!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318359283 577401 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1318359313 682718 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like the _first_ feature you'd want to implement < 1318359469 546380 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318359814 688589 :kmc_!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net NICK :kmc < 1318360522 92929 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :autodownvote and ignore < 1318360532 478668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1318360536 266079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :autodownvote and report and ignore < 1318360543 393813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :autoreply to with an inflammatory comment < 1318360579 979341 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and autoban from the sub/reddit if you have the authority < 1318360603 556614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1318360608 792488 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1318360614 616540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :autohire a hitman < 1318360642 177152 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :autonuke the country (if not yours) < 1318360658 570735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you win < 1318360869 527781 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318360881 847482 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1318360898 851802 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :While I do play Nomic, I am not in BlogNomix < 1318360902 796927 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-ic < 1318360903 633116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1318361024 521625 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to say, Visual Studio does make form design easier < 1318361051 21144 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, that is a small advantage over Haskell that Haskell can easily counter with various things < 1318361058 761284 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as virtually everything < 1318361062 215957 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should write a haskell binding. or something. < 1318361066 549161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gtk has a form designer :-P < 1318361070 326000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think wxWidgets does too < 1318361075 717065 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell.NET < 1318361082 514793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesssss < 1318361132 915328 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, go inventing < 1318361149 102146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to keep a hold of the few remaining scraps of my human soul. < 1318361160 315719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell.NET doesn't sound very good on that front. < 1318361177 612386 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C'mon, you're already one of my evil triplets < 1318361454 568053 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you live in what in some dialects is slang for hell < 1318361466 140723 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU LIVE IN HELL < 1318361481 990667 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he lives in Sixpig. < 1318361487 271402 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1318361487 947649 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hex < 1318361491 746440 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eightpig. < 1318361505 355132 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hex is six < 1318361508 192431 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Octo is eight < 1318361510 825395 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eightcow < 1318361519 593158 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you, I need coffee. < 1318361521 533892 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1318361559 797297 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::PPPP < 1318361569 529265 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have more mouths than you < 1318361588 466785 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, stupid people. < 1318361611 539487 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd lives in Charmpork, elliott lives in Hexham and Facekicker lives in Cursebacon. < 1318361625 419023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Charmpork. < 1318361631 349974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have my next DF fortress name. < 1318361637 676212 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1318361639 747904 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ":" ++ cycle "P" < 1318361641 250265 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ":PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP... < 1318361659 982509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, there's another Hexhamer here? < 1318361663 118795 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me < 1318361663 118961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ... < 1318361668 717452 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you... missed that? < 1318361669 553304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you have to be fucking kidding me we went over this like TWO WEEKS AGO < 1318361673 821783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: HOW CAN YOU KEEP FORGETTING THINGS < 1318361675 136936 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a pretty big deal. < 1318361677 779463 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Facekicker is someone I heard of once < 1318361680 85432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: I've told him personally /twice/ < 1318361687 719400 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who somebody else thought may have been elliott < 1318361695 582192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I wasn't reading at the time, if I was even in the channel < 1318361702 677765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes you were, I told _you_ personally, _twice_ < 1318361705 655040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :after you expressed disbelief each time < 1318361706 617086 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep reading things as 'elephant'. < 1318361719 243033 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mixed it up with 'element' in chemistry, with predictable results. < 1318361723 20906 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1318361724 181129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: more than you and Ngevd, I mean < 1318361728 294846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were implying there was a third < 1318361730 105306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1318361733 72367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1318361740 647350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would have been ridiculous < 1318361742 126573 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Facekicker is the eviller triplet < 1318361747 230024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe everyone is from Hexham at heart. < 1318361749 868917 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's so evil he can't use computers < 1318361759 226735 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION casts a spell so that everyone is now from Hexham
< 1318361773 689236 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric: the Hexham channel. < 1318361779 882189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#hexham < 1318361803 461391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: also don't you mean < 1318361803 800419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1318361804 625972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEX < 1318361805 933472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ham) < 1318361850 151230 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: i don't see how that is relephant. < 1318361858 290459 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Very well. < 1318361863 263228 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cast a hex using ham. < 1318361869 310350 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most delicious ham. < 1318361894 480212 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexed all the way to hexham, the horror < 1318361925 728427 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexham, arkham and newsham < 1318361977 843550 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck sham and new sham < 1318362006 390874 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ol' sner of heck sham < 1318362030 940248 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't say olsner is from Hexham < 1318362045 619813 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: we all are, didn't you pay attention? < 1318362061 767268 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I fell asleep < 1318362065 635669 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse to be imagined in England. < 1318362077 269570 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're pretty close to the border < 1318362081 417477 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relatively speaking < 1318362084 380255 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: if you missed the hex, I'll just hecksh you to heck-sham instead < 1318362091 131050 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as close as, for instance, Berwick < 1318362098 376013 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But nobody likes Berwick < 1318362107 266192 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, I don't care, it's a matter of principle. < 1318362111 453151 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a wicked place < 1318362125 779901 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you steal Berwick from us and then say you don't want it? < 1318362138 276246 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You stole it from us first! < 1318362184 744552 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1318362185 74022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Also you steal Berwick from us and then say you don't want it? You stole it from us first! < 1318362186 65108 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bericum, the ancient roman fortress < 1318362187 544360 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :707) Also you steal Berwick from us and then say you don't want it? You stole it from us first! < 1318362209 613959 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*berovicum < 1318362213 728089 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Prudhoe was the town that changed hands the most < 1318362214 551778 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, yeah, but at least we didn't get bored with it! < 1318362238 811425 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want Berwick back? < 1318362242 936319 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1318362248 529575 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, keep it < 1318362251 1025 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See how I care < 1318362261 43935 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They already play football in Scotland < 1318362278 16531 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ridiculous, having North Berwick but not Berwick itself. < 1318362278 836279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we just cut Berwick off and solve the whole thing? < 1318362334 904671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Wales and Berwick Act 1746 (since repealed) deemed that whenever legislation referred to England, it applied to Berwick, without attempting to define Berwick as part of England." < 1318362432 340702 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1318362450 672469 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuke Berwick, plobrem sloved < 1318362457 786071 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, OK, I don't actually think North Berwick is good for much. < 1318362476 883424 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a rock with some birds on it, but it's in the sea so it doesn't count. < 1318362483 887720 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On another note, it's a shame that the esoteric message board failed < 1318362521 476642 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Anglo-Caledonian diplomacy and sword games | Welcome to the international hub for exoteric voodoo programming design and deployment! | computed jumps... the topic. | 12345678^&!* | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1318362619 55117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: :D < 1318363589 800016 :TeruFSX_!~quassel@71-210-153-125.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1318363591 78469 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-153-125.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318364823 931738 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to write a program working both with and without SDL, without requiring separate compilation? < 1318364842 451686 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do I have to make the command-line edition a separate executable file? < 1318364848 883178 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Sure, you could use libdl to get the SDL stuff. < 1318364854 624672 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318364861 767623 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would probably be much simpler to just make two executables though :) < 1318364863 468355 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or not call the SDL initialisation. < 1318364902 685517 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I assumed "without SDL" meant "libSDL.so.whatever: File not found" < 1318364907 961052 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes, it would, at least in Windows. For UNIX systems it might be more convenient to use one executable, though; that is, if there is a reasonable way to do so. < 1318364933 956808 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No I meant to have a separate command-line edition < 1318364938 678250 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1318364964 781803 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ah. Yeah, for that you'd need seperate executables or libdl. < 1318364985 362199 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Like I said, libdl is your friend. But what I would probably do is make two executables, then have a small script that chooses which to run *shrugs* < 1318365009 607680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just statically link SDL in. :p < 1318365038 62282 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still implies tons of deps that you wouldn't want in the CL case. < 1318365039 379098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And decide whether to use it at runtime) < 1318365054 326218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: As opposed to having the default build process build two executables and just use a shell script? :P < 1318365081 321179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could just forget about building one if SDL wasn't present. < 1318365084 388801 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Cannot load foobar: libX11.so: File not found < 1318365109 839546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well duh, I meant SDL + deps :P < 1318365151 476361 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can make two executables; a shell script is not really needed. It could use a common source file, I suppose, or even a dynamic library that is most of the functions of the program, and the SDL specific stuff is contained in the main executable file. < 1318365164 711304 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A shell script could be used for compiling, though. < 1318366279 9150 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-146-193.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318366426 976843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dude, end users care about the user experience. This is why Apple has been so successful with ipod, iphone, even though there are technically better products. You can't say you don't care." < 1318366448 940638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this post is the stupidest thing anyone has ever said to me in a programming language war < 1318366451 543668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;__; < 1318366470 903341 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple have been successful because they look cool < 1318366475 549665 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, I could've sworn that Apple was successful *in spite* of being so damned user hostile. < 1318366518 228638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple... aren't user-hostile. Their philosophy is in principle, but so is every large tech company's. < 1318366595 35565 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The iPhone shit in particular is. < 1318366638 760006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's not; yes, it's an unprogrammable, locked down system, but so is every other mobile OS; and definitely an iPhone is more usable than the others ignoring that. < 1318366646 176622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, that's not the point. < 1318366649 882513 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why, yes, I would *love* to have a central authority vetting things according to compliance with corporate self-interest!" < 1318366659 114215 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, this is nothing *unique* to Apple. < 1318366722 379451 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, I think you missed the part where someone is justifying a language argument with this. < 1318366728 5379 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Right. < 1318366732 503591 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's beyond moronic. < 1318366770 9412 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't find springboard more usable than some of the android UIs i've tried. pandahome is a better interface than springboard even though its only a beta app, imo. but yeah, nnot trying to undermine your underlying point... < 1318366793 981904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes, clearly the launcher screen is the entire decider of usability :P < 1318366813 142108 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is for most consumers :) < 1318366831 102274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not...really? < 1318366854 758563 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the stupid settings menus iOS uses just make them look even worse, but i'm not really going to have that argument) < 1318366856 741411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, getting to the address book is important usability-wise, but that means fuck all if it's still a hideous pain to edit the actual entries. < 1318366939 36885 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :apple's built-in address book is far from the best mobile address book app either. i think they are spending too much time sitting on their laurels. < 1318366967 735653 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8BB16.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318366978 111626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It was an example. < 1318366984 101795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :English really needs proper support for metasyntactic variables. < 1318367016 981537 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does. just say $foo and i will understand < 1318367042 380147 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternately, use e.g. before the metasyntactic variable and its metasyntactic properties < 1318367574 501732 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodness gracious the US has bad income inequality. < 1318367614 747751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't say. < 1318367633 128824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, Adobe are actually pushing the obsoletion of their plugin as their sort-of-official line. < 1318367634 130886 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know of a place to discuss XSLT on Freenode < 1318367635 931602 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, outrage as the Pope blesses bears in the woods. < 1318367636 423293 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1318367639 500350 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're worse off than many third-world countries. < 1318367641 556198 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jebus. < 1318367645 859178 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, #xslt < 1318367650 458805 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Empty < 1318367658 609839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By "sort of official", as in "non-controversial posts on their developers' blogs that are devoted to discussing how awesome they are".) < 1318367665 697264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : In other news, outrage as the Pope blesses bears in the woods. < 1318367668 13333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they Catholic? < 1318367676 288168 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's why there's outrage. < 1318367678 110726 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: are you using it to implement a turing machine or doing anything with XML documents? < 1318367685 533193 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former < 1318367695 169956 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of the latter < 1318367700 948345 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, neither < 1318367715 564998 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing-equivalent computational models expressed as XML < 1318367726 448463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: You've switched to the model, right? < 1318367731 976786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that ridiculous "put stuff in it to apply" thing? < 1318367736 923110 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I switched back < 1318367746 988129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: ...why. < 1318367757 86210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's literally semantic nonsense. < 1318367763 874056 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a hell of a lot easier < 1318367766 16962 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: XSLT already is a Turing-equivalent computational model expressed as XML :) < 1318367785 733852 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to demonstrate this beyond a shadow of a doubt! < 1318367792 539878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: It so is not easier. < 1318367806 968006 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's already been done (by implementing a universal turing machine) < 1318367807 114826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no possible way that structure could be easier :P < 1318367839 559938 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is for me < 1318367894 421223 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you know what? < 1318367899 402680 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do it your way < 1318367903 854499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yessssssssssssssss < 1318367916 264444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's easier because always has two children, for one thing :P < 1318367920 228280 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And start completely again for the SIXTH GODDAMN TIME < 1318368246 610226 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've done K one method and S the other < 1318368247 757795 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1318368273 650339 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-107-160.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: later chat < 1318368316 229121 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is it this hard to implement a tree-rewriting system in a tree-rewriting language? < 1318368327 119906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can do S, surely K and I are trivial. < 1318368327 445503 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I barely know either < 1318368347 9686 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I switched to your method after finishing S < 1318368356 941301 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In your method I did K first < 1318368363 369932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: What are you using to apply the XSLT? < 1318368373 594974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xsltproc? < 1318368376 269367 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the moment, my MIND < 1318368384 340949 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a web browser < 1318368391 298865 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a choice of four < 1318368397 207312 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of which it won't work for < 1318368401 503091 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, three < 1318368638 462700 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does Astrolog use the orb setting of -180.0 for Conjunction? The orb is the degree of separation between exactitude; a negative value doesn't make sense. I changed the values for all aspects to 7; the Sun and Moon are conjunct in a new moon and opposite in a full moon. < 1318368773 92615 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you plot only the sun and moon on a horoscope, with the fixed sun position, you can see the phase of the moon. If you include the lunar nodes, you can include eclipses as well (see the wikipedia article about "Lunar node"). < 1318368874 150066 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Eclipses occur only near the lunar nodes: Solar eclipses occur when the passage of the Moon through a node coincides with the new moon; lunar eclipses occur when passage coincides with the full moon." < 1318368905 291066 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MYSTERIOUS < 1318368994 704315 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mysterious? < 1318369001 4083 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Highly. < 1318369063 102839 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about mysterious? Are you talking about lunar nodes? < 1318369072 864399 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only partially < 1318369277 804973 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only partially? < 1318369283 80837 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1318369308 67691 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean horoscopes as well? Or even the sun and moon? Aspects? Orbs? < 1318369318 880732 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1318369320 36649 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weetos < 1318369321 27498 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :17) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. Second, learn the rest with your NEW MIND-COMPUTER INTERFACE. < 1318369324 948 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1318369335 225061 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1318369352 727164 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weetos? What is that? < 1318369555 889661 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Breakfast cereal < 1318369563 513450 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote breakfast cereal < 1318369565 821354 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :527) Non sequitur is my forte On-topic discussion is my piano Bowls of sugary breakfast cereal is my mezzoforte Full fat milk is my pianissimo On which note, I'm hungry < 1318369568 784053 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1318369576 206246 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote breakfast cereal < 1318369578 535113 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :527) Non sequitur is my forte On-topic discussion is my piano Bowls of sugary breakfast cereal is my mezzoforte Full fat milk is my pianissimo On which note, I'm hungry < 1318369586 110740 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit there is another quote < 1318369591 482317 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 529 < 1318369593 791106 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :529) _ | |__ _ _ ___ | '_ \| | | |/ _ \ | |_) | |_| | __/ |_.__/ \__, |\___| < 1318369599 445222 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that one < 1318369602 742642 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote sugary < 1318369604 884605 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :527) Non sequitur is my forte On-topic discussion is my piano Bowls of sugary breakfast cereal is my mezzoforte Full fat milk is my pianissimo On which note, I'm hungry < 1318369610 925148 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote wholegrain < 1318369612 899811 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :553) I combined the wholegrain breakfast and chocolatey breakfast for maximum breakfast efficiency < 1318369615 869299 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one < 1318369655 330920 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's choclatey and wholegrain < 1318369683 729483 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chocgrain. < 1318369688 89054 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wholelate. < 1318369700 616738 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And on that note I leave you all for bed < 1318369702 749068 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: what a big quitter he is, eh? < 1318370346 882115 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1318370351 813381 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1318370476 133418 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1318370557 861218 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1318370573 864921 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1318371103 479276 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318371630 54924 :sliddy!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1318371654 891565 :sliddy!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1318372083 140817 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1318373183 215300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1318373321 74031 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-146-193.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1318373398 573669 :sliddy!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1318374203 214948 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1318375180 445739 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1318375573 431683 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have found various bugs in the Astrolog program. For example, Sun: Virgo -> Libra is the autumnal equinox in tropical mode, but in sidereal mode it is also labeled the autumnal equinox, which is incorrect. It also does not save all the settings correctly (although you can enter them manually in the ASTROLOG.DAT file). < 1318375596 253894 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why is it labeled Virgo -> Libra even though I told it to display the angles in degrees instead? < 1318375826 288146 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does correctly display the labels "Full moon" and so on for aspects between the sun and moon. < 1318375871 449548 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, in my opinion it should consider "Sun square Moon" and "Moon square Sun" to be separate, because that is what calendars do. < 1318376640 962227 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a map of eclipses, but they do not specify latitude/longitude < 1318376878 403880 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if homestuck like.... < 1318376880 683990 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :never ends. < 1318376989 281079 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1318377042 610910 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it will jump the shark and people will stop caring < 1318377045 572921 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cf. Maddox < 1318377361 292063 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... think it will take a long time for that to happen with homestuck < 1318377392 584532 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :most tv shows and the like as centered on some premise that makes them stagnate once ideas run out. < 1318377399 560753 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but homestuck can kind of... do literally anything. < 1318377460 214068 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :we haven't even got to a point where the midnight crew is part of the main story. maybe they won't be... < 1318377466 292520 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would be really weird. < 1318377473 412872 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they weren't ever mentioned again after the intermission. < 1318377481 431051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude, have you even been paying attention. < 1318377493 173306 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, why? < 1318377507 73216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1318377527 606998 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my memory is kind of fuzzy though. I could probably stand to re-read the whole thing.