00:00:17 yes 00:00:20 oh okay 00:00:29 meanwhile i was absolutely, 100% certified serious. 00:00:33 English: because word formation should be nontrivial. 00:00:42 pikhq, damn right. 00:00:52 when even natives can't figure it out 00:01:20 pikhq, I mean, as a non-native speaker I expect I wouldn't be good at it. But I find that native speakers are not much better at it than me. 00:01:27 Also, vestigial grammar is fun. 00:01:48 In Swedish however it is usually quite easy to form new words 00:02:08 pikhq, what does that mean? 00:02:13 For instance: English features Germanic strong verbs. Barely. 00:02:21 oh? 00:02:21 We call them "irregular". 00:02:25 oh right 00:02:39 Because there's not many strong verbs left. 00:02:56 pikhq, they are quite irregular though. There is no pattern to them. 00:03:02 they mostly died during the plague 00:03:12 it seems that 00:03:21 no matter how careful I am. sieges always end in huge clusterfucks. 00:03:30 CakeProphet, some game? 00:03:36 No, there is a pattern. Due to the infrequency of them, the pattern has ceased to be readily apparent to speakers. 00:03:36 df. 00:03:38 CakeProphet: agreed, just ask agora :P 00:03:49 CakeProphet, easy. Trap defence is best. But also quite boring 00:03:57 fling flang flung 00:03:59 trap defence doesn't really solve sieges 00:04:01 if they just stand there 00:04:03 pikhq, there must be a lot of variants to the pattern then. 00:04:04 works for ambushes 00:04:07 Also, it doesn't help that there's 6 classes of strong verb, each with their own conjugation rules. 00:04:11 spim spam spum 00:04:14 yes they usually just stand there 00:04:18 elliott, trap the *entire* maåp 00:04:19 map* 00:04:24 what I've been doing at that point is setting up ballistas and killing them from afar 00:04:26 Vorpal: practical 00:04:29 CakeProphet: waste of time 00:04:32 yeah. 00:04:37 CakeProphet: just use danger rooms :P 00:04:39 elliott, no, but the result should be hilarious 00:04:56 Vorpal: It's a feature common to all West Germanic languages, but only really noteworthy historically, and in modern German and Dutch. 00:05:02 elliott, I actually want to trap the entire border of the map with serrated glass disks or such once. 00:05:15 lost about 20 people in that one. 00:05:22 CakeProphet: you're doin it wrong 00:05:23 (it is *not* in Afrikaans) 00:05:29 -!- ive has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 00:05:30 pikhq, yeah, Swedish have irregular verbs too I think. Can't think of any example atm 00:05:40 pikhq, why Afrikaans in particular 00:05:53 synge sang sunget 00:06:05 oerjan, sing? 00:06:08 also it seems that no matter how many "hey don't pick shit up orders " I set 00:06:09 Afrikaans has just lost strong verbs. 00:06:14 civilians end up swarming onto battlefields 00:06:14 sjung sjöng sjungit 00:06:16 so yeah irregular 00:06:19 yes, that's what it means 00:06:38 skrive skrev skrevet 00:06:41 pikhq, what do you call the craziness with "to be" 00:06:53 pikhq, am, are, is and so on 00:07:12 er var vært 00:07:16 yes that 00:07:23 wait what is the third form? 00:07:26 for that one 00:07:29 är var varit? 00:07:35 err. No? 00:07:36 Vorpal: I *think* that's a carry-over from the Scandinavian languages? 00:07:40 -!- tiffany has quit (Quit: Leaving). 00:07:41 Erm. North Germanic. 00:07:44 Vorpal: i assume 00:07:47 pikhq, we don't have that these days at least 00:08:02 pikhq, we just use "är" for first person, second person and so on 00:08:19 could be we (sensibly) lost that 00:08:25 i believe it was "ek em" in norse. even the icelandic have lost some of it 00:08:32 heh 00:09:20 ugh, also 00:09:28 why is it when I try to build things in mass some of it gets suspended. 00:09:41 bad planning 00:09:59 ? 00:10:10 CakeProphet, resources needed for other constructions are under a construction that is planned before it 00:10:15 that suspends for example 00:10:24 CakeProphet, building is basically a stack 00:10:33 so start with whatever you want to be built last 00:10:50 I'm just trying to build a large wall. 00:11:07 CakeProphet, are there stones under it? that could be used to build different parts of the same wall? 00:11:10 if so, there you are 00:11:29 I don't /think/ so. 00:11:58 Aaah. Part of it seems to be that English lost almost all of its case system. 00:12:17 (which is now a vestigial feature in its pronouns) 00:12:24 CakeProphet, idea: wall the entire map, as close to the border as possible. Leave a long trap filled path in to the trading post 00:13:02 Language change does confusing things. 00:13:04 if hilly terrain: cut off (by deramping) the edge to split it in many sections you can't walk between. 00:13:07 pikhq, yeah 00:13:13 .....wtf my manager died 00:13:16 WHY 00:13:22 so start with whatever you want to be built last <-- dwarfs are so logical 00:13:24 why do you stupidly rush out into battles. 00:13:26 pikhq, 00:13:27 CakeProphet: rip 00:13:33 CakeProphet: why is he part of your military 00:13:40 pikhq,* you still have the s for third persons on verbs. Swedish don't have that at all. 00:13:59 elliott: he's not dude. 00:14:19 CakeProphet: he got hemorrhoids. really nasty ones. 00:14:22 remember how I said civilians keep rushing into battles even though I turn off all the auto-gather stuff? 00:14:30 I have two persons able to do the manager work. Because the manager goes to sleep when I need him most. 00:15:38 so start with whatever you want to be built last <-- dwarfs are so logical <-- it actually makes sense. What if you need to urgently do a construction right now? then if you had a queue you would have to clear it out. With a stack it is easier 00:15:46 of course a deque would be even better 00:16:29 " skrive skrev skrevet" - Skrive wrote the scrotum? 00:16:41 olsner, XD 00:16:50 olsner: well yes it's actually ambiguous in norwegian 00:16:57 different tone though 00:16:57 haha 00:17:44 hmm, if that was the way we wrote it, I think it would have a different tone in swedish too 00:18:30 today's wikipedia "In the news" looks strangely synchronistic. four items about people or things coming to an end, followed by an item about a book named "The Sense of an Ending". 00:18:41 olsner, how could it be a different tone in Swedish? We don't have "skrevet" as ambiguous. 00:19:26 well I guess it could be a tone of wtfness at that interpretation 00:19:43 oerjan: things on the wp main page are rarely coincidences :P 00:19:57 Hrm. "Skrive skrev skrevet" *almost* looks like English nonsense. 00:20:01 elliott: shush you infidel unbeliever 00:20:24 "Skrive skrove skrevets" looks a bit better. 00:20:33 elliott: the coincidence is all those things ending in the same week 00:20:51 pikhq, are those actual English words? 00:20:53 Vorpal: I think 'skrevet' has the different tone already, so it's more like another word spelled the same way would usually have the normal tone 00:20:54 Vorpal: No. 00:21:12 oerjan, there are 5 things coming to and end. And the book stuck between the last too 00:21:13 two* 00:21:19 Vorpal: But it parses to me as "English sentence composed of 3 words I don't know". 00:21:19 yes 00:21:51 pikhq, heh 00:21:52 ... it's all in the skroving of the skrevets 00:22:07 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 00:22:13 pikhq, that is almost Swedish, skrov = hull (of a boat) 00:22:24 skrovet would be "the hull" 00:22:42 "Skrive" sounds like an Norwegian name 00:22:49 and "skrevets", well, drop the s 00:22:50 Also, "Skrive skrove a skrevet" for singular "skrevet". 00:23:11 pikhq_, à would work I guess. 00:23:19 but not for English 00:23:47 or it would for English 00:23:53 but in the "each" sense 00:23:55 Yeah, English doesn't really handle singular/plural quite that way... 00:24:33 pikhq_, just learn Swedish or Norwegian and do Scandinavian nonsense instead :D 00:24:33 maybe there are normal skrevets, and special skrove skrevets for skroving... and for some reason the skrove skrevets need skriving 00:24:48 olsner, ouch :P 00:24:56 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:25:14 fru ibsens ripsbusker og andre sjuksköterskar 00:25:17 olsner: Also possible. But I was interpreting "Skrive" as a name. 00:25:22 Sure works as an imperative, though. 00:25:23 I'm definitely fucked if there's another siege. 00:25:28 olsner, hm skrovning would work in Swedish. The act of hulling a boat I guess 00:25:51 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 00:25:54 oerjan, ripsbusker? 00:26:03 oerjan, some form of shrub? 00:26:13 Oh, better. "Skrive" works just fine as a verb, with past tense "skrove", gerund "skroving". 00:26:20 yes, with red sour berries 00:26:29 oerjan, I read that as "Lady Ibsen's rip-shrubs and other nurses" 00:26:38 which doesn't make a whole lot of sense 00:26:43 So, "Skrive skrove skrevets" would parse as "Hull hulled hulls", I think. 00:26:54 Or something. 00:26:55 pikhq_, in which language? 00:27:08 Vorpal: English with a verb "skrive". 00:27:27 Which I cannot make myself handle in any way *but* as an "irregular" verb. 00:27:27 pikhq_, skriv is related to write, skrov is related to hull. So Maybe Write hull writes? 00:27:40 elliott: I'm not really sure I get the diagonal flow thing. 00:27:42 Well, what would make sense for "skrevet"? 00:27:55 it just means likee... shift the aquedact diagonally on a horizontal level? 00:28:02 Vorpal: "Skrove" to me parses as a past tense of "skrive". 00:28:04 Vorpal: it wasn't meant to make sense, it was a norwegian tongue-twister seguing into a swedish one 00:28:08 pikhq_, well skrevet = the scrotum 00:28:14 pikhq_, hm 00:28:24 Ah. So, "Write written scrotums"? 00:28:40 pikhq_, I'm so confused by now. No idea. 00:28:50 pikhq_: skrive is cognate to scribe, i believe 00:29:02 No, that would be "skrive skriven skrevets"... 00:29:12 pikhq_, what are you doing? 00:29:24 Vorpal: Messing around. 00:29:30 right, carry on 00:29:41 Trying to treat "skrive" as a verb and see what happens. 00:30:24 pikhq_, yeah, well, I'm not a native speaker. Kind of hard for me to do that in English. And it wouldn't work in Swedish due to the e at the end. 00:30:26 And finding it interesting that my natural inclination is to go with an irregular conjugation. 00:30:41 pikhq_, anyway skriva (the Swedish variant) is irregular 00:30:58 Vorpal: vinbär, apparently 00:31:03 oerjan, oh okay 00:31:55 Yup. "skrive" fits the pattern for a class 1 strong verb, hence why I'm treating it that way without thinking about it. 00:32:21 (other examples in English: "ride/rode/ridden", "write/wrote/written", "shine/shone/shone") 00:33:01 hm what with the modern ability to record audio and video, do you think that pronunciation will start to change slower in the future? 00:33:35 pikhq_, so skrive skrove skridden? 00:33:43 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16495819/help.png am I doin' it right? 00:33:51 this is for a 3-width channel 00:33:54 "Skrive/skrove/skriven" is how I'm getting it. 00:33:59 By analogy with "drive/drove/driven". 00:34:05 CakeProphet, no, the GTK+ theme is the wrong one 00:34:19 Vorpal: im 'spicious u theory 00:34:25 dive dove diven 00:34:34 uh, any df water experts here? 00:34:47 oerjan, well that is spelling (or lack of it) rather than pronunciation 00:34:50 CakeProphet: jiggy is a stupid name 00:34:52 diven sounds a bit weird 00:34:56 oerjan, I specifically asked about pronunciation 00:35:01 monqy: Yeah. 00:35:01 did som,eone name someone jiggY? that's a bAd name 00:35:07 can everyone please stop paying attention to things that aren't related to my question. :P 00:35:16 also clean up your panel 00:35:23 ahh, skeype 00:35:23 oh yeah it is a mess 00:35:36 I think by "mess" you mean perfectly organized. 00:35:47 CakeProphet, also why 3 terminal windows? Have you tried tabs in the terminal emulator? 00:35:56 ... -_- 00:35:56 oh wait, 4 00:36:08 CakeProphet: also, change your name, adam is a stupid name 00:36:19 HELP. WATER. FLOODING FORTS. 00:36:20 is that "maria"? 00:36:24 AM I DOING IT RIGHT? 00:36:32 mine's "okay" 00:36:36 i think it's....okay 00:36:38 monqy: could be mari or marie as well 00:36:49 CakeProphet, is the green one the memory meter? 00:36:52 could be mario 00:36:53 who knows 00:36:55 Vorpal: yes 00:37:10 but I trust cakeprophet wouldn't name it mario. that would just be bad. 00:37:11 -!- pikhq has joined. 00:37:13 CakeProphet, you need more RAM. Too much of it used. Unless most is disk cache 00:37:18 .................................. 00:37:19 you seem to be using a gui file manager too, that can't be good 00:37:21 I don't 00:37:21 care 00:37:22 about 00:37:22 any 00:37:25 of 00:37:27 that 00:37:36 12 hour clock? seriously? 00:37:44 yes, I'm an American. 00:37:44 yeah wtf about that 00:37:51 how is that relevant 00:37:59 CakeProphet: ... you wanted to know whether you were "doing it right", we're answering 00:38:02 ...I am accustomed to 12-hour clocks? 00:38:02 CakeProphet, also wlan? Not ethernet? 00:38:22 All this discussion of English irregular verbs makes me really freaking glad that Japanese is more regular. 00:38:25 no I'm specifically asking 00:38:30 if this diagonal arrangement 00:38:32 -!- numero has joined. 00:38:34 good thing im japanese 00:38:34 is what df wiki is talking about. 00:38:40 CakeProphet, answer: no 00:38:46 then what does it mean? 00:38:51 monqy: Oh, then you got fucked learning English. Congrats. :P 00:38:53 what it actually means 00:39:00 i jest 00:39:01 CakeProphet, you know, shift-prtscreen would have saved you all this 00:39:07 I figured. 00:39:24 CakeProphet, the corridor wideness must be like this 00:39:25 but yes, my computer looks different from yours. 00:39:26 x 00:39:28 x 00:39:30 hi numero 00:39:30 gah 00:39:31 X 00:39:31 `? welcome 00:39:32 X 00:39:34 X 00:39:35 X 00:39:36 X 00:39:37 Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page 00:39:38 there 00:39:40 CakeProphet, see? 00:39:42 ....no 00:39:48 X 00:39:54 CakeProphet, not using monospace font? 00:39:55 for irc 00:39:55 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:39:59 if not then it is your own issue 00:40:02 Vorpal: no I am. 00:40:15 I just don't get what you mean. 1-tile wide? 00:40:28 CakeProphet, well it must be a proper diagonal. As in 0 tiles wide at the very corner 00:40:37 iirc 00:40:48 can you like.... 00:40:58 screenshot a designation in df so I can visualize this. 00:41:26 I mean I think I get the diagonalness, but... 00:41:32 how do you maintain the same flow? 00:41:34 no I can't run df on the computer I'm on atm 00:41:42 CakeProphet, you want to cut away the pressure right? 00:41:43 atms make poor computers. 00:41:46 most are written in Java. 00:41:51 Vorpal: correct. 00:42:25 most are written in Java? I thought they all used OS/2 and Presentation Manager 00:42:43 could be REXX 00:42:51 CakeProphet, something like this would work (> is water flow direction, # is solid wall) 00:42:53 XXXXXX 00:42:53 > X 00:42:53 > X 00:42:53 > X 00:42:53 XXXXXX 00:42:54 Not in scope: data constructor `X' 00:42:54 Not in scope: data constructor `X' 00:42:54 Not in scope: data constructor `X' 00:42:59 err X is solid wall 00:43:05 oh. 00:43:08 where is the... space. 00:43:19 CakeProphet, in the corners 00:43:51 CakeProphet, there are god damn illustrations at http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Pressure#Diagonal_Flow 00:43:55 why didn't you look there 00:43:57 ah so the width is irrelevant? 00:44:01 Vorpal: I did 00:44:04 I don't understand the diagram. 00:44:06 it looks to me 00:44:10 that there is a diagonally wall 00:44:13 CakeProphet, anyway it would need to be 2 wide I guess 00:44:18 that would just block everything. 00:44:32 CakeProphet, there is. But it doesn't block water. Water can flow diagonally 00:44:41 .....ooooooooooooh. 00:44:44 I see. 00:44:52 CakeProphet, same as iirc dwarves can go diagonally. Unless I'm confusing it with nethack 00:45:17 also it recommends using one more diagonal than the width of the channel 00:45:23 CakeProphet, anyway the graphics on screen is only a representation of a complex FSA. 00:45:24 I wonder how that works. I guess I just widen it at that segment. 00:45:49 CakeProphet, it is just that water flows quite slowly through a not very wide one 00:46:01 CakeProphet, so using a 3 wide like in the picture is faster 00:46:16 an 1 wide one is going to take bloody ages 00:48:59 -!- augur has joined. 00:49:09 CakeProphet, maybe you looked at the image but you didn't read 00:49:11 "Liquids moving via pressure can only move to orthogonally adjacent tiles. When faced with a diagonal gap, pressure will fail to move the liquid, forcing the liquid to instead spread out. By forcing fluids through a diagonal connection you can prevent pressure from propagating past a certain point. " 00:49:14 shift+prntscr doesn't seem to create a dialog. does it just copypaste? 00:49:30 no I read it I just uh, wasn't understanding it. 00:49:44 CakeProphet, for me it does the dialogue and just takes the current window 00:49:47 but I'm using xfce 00:49:51 I thought it meant if water moved diagonally it magically stopped having pressure, which I'm pretty sure it says. 00:49:52 maybe it is different in gnome 00:50:03 but I was misunderstanding how water flows diagonally. 00:50:16 I thought it meant if water moved diagonally it magically stopped having pressure, which I'm pretty sure it says. <-- yep 00:50:26 ah it's meta 00:50:29 not shift for me 00:50:49 okay 00:51:06 -!- numero has quit (Quit: Leaving). 00:51:10 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16495819/BecauseSomePeopleAreJerks.png 00:51:13 so then like this I believe. 00:51:40 CakeProphet, anyway with wider than the current corridor it means that the corridor should widen at the point of the diagonal and then go back to the less wide version after 00:51:55 CakeProphet, but yes that should work, slightly slow though 00:52:00 I'm using this as a well so I really think 3-wide is already overkill. 00:52:22 CakeProphet, remember to have >=2 deep at the point of the well or you will get dirty water 00:52:28 which cause an unhappy thought 00:52:32 CakeProphet: your window buttons are on the wrong side 00:52:48 elliott, not at all! 00:52:50 elliott: incorrect. 00:53:01 CakeProphet: you shouldn't have window decorations in the first place 00:53:04 protip: people like different UI configurations. 00:53:07 also, your DF window is the wrong size 00:53:10 and you smell funny 00:53:14 -!- cheater has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat). 00:53:14 they are the wrong colours though 00:53:25 come on, orange button on dark grey 00:53:37 naff 00:54:02 CakeProphet, also you have a combat report to read says df. And a sparring report. 00:54:02 I think it looks nice. 00:54:06 or more than one 00:54:09 of each 00:54:12 or just of one of them 00:54:23 CakeProphet, the C and the R on the left side that is 00:54:32 indicates combat and sparring reports to read 00:54:54 moment of truth. time to dig into my cistern. 00:55:35 actually wait I'll make a floodgate first.:P 00:55:41 yeah good idea 00:55:51 though I already have everything closed by doors 00:55:58 I just won't be able to fix it if I mess it up. 00:56:22 flood gates are good 00:57:31 CakeProphet, anyway, above-ground fort made out of moulded obsidian is better 00:58:59 CakeProphet, with underground tunnels to archer towers 01:00:28 CakeProphet, oh and you should play Kobold Camp 01:01:40 http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=70558.0 01:03:49 .......oh fuck. 01:03:56 so my best swordsman / milita captain 01:04:03 is tantrumming now. 01:04:04 and he has 01:04:11 a steel long sword. 01:04:15 like the only one. 01:04:19 everyone else has copper stuff. 01:04:51 so in the exact same instant that he started tantruming, someone else died. :P 01:05:36 ouch 01:05:43 CakeProphet, you need happier dwarves 01:05:59 CakeProphet, masterwork engravings in the dining hall 01:06:15 well I had some 01:06:18 not all were masterwork I think. 01:06:22 CakeProphet, adamantine statutes 01:06:30 ...yeah okay 01:06:33 you can't go wrong with masterwork adamantine statutes 01:06:34 is gold good enough 01:06:37 sure 01:06:43 because I already have plenty of those. 01:06:45 CakeProphet, my dwarves party all the time it seems 01:06:52 CakeProphet, nice bedrooms 01:07:01 6 hour days 01:07:10 lots of food and booze 01:07:24 (drop the 6 hour day one) 01:07:45 (you would end up like Greece) 01:09:37 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:14:15 -!- Jafet has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 01:30:49 seems like parts of IIS runs in the NT kernel 01:30:51 how weird 02:01:00 awww yeah I have a fishing room 02:01:52 heh 02:05:51 night 02:10:07 -!- Vorpal has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 02:16:38 artifact... mechanism? 02:27:55 conveniently enough. 02:27:59 danger rooms are excellent baby killers. 02:28:08 use doors, idiot 02:28:11 * elliott helpful 02:36:30 no killing babies is good. 02:36:58 you could just use a popcap 02:37:17 uh what is that. 02:56:07 for fucks sake. 02:56:15 I turn off everything 02:56:22