< 1320019271 2957 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's right, < 1320019274 995263 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't go to Kindle < 1320019295 588883 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kindle is reserved for when I'm, you know, on a Kindle < 1320019477 287779 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, try /nick Taneb|Hovercraft or whatever you want < 1320019491 790054 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah < 1320019493 114702 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, you can renick once you ghosted the dead connection, or once it timed out < 1320019499 950185 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Ngevd time now < 1320019505 798366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, come on, you could just copy what I wrote < 1320019545 81085 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net NICK :TheAstoundingVan < 1320019551 486041 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the astounding van < 1320019556 142546 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no, it is Ngevd time < 1320019561 520860 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realise nicks had a maximum length < 1320019572 301849 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :TheAstoundingVan, what was it supposed to be? < 1320019579 674029 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway of course there is a max length < 1320019582 343663 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should continue TheAstoundingVanDoorn < 1320019586 18307 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine TheAstoundingVan not being the intention < 1320019587 66736 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is right there in the irc protocol iirc < 1320019593 328157 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably < 1320019606 475102 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed your current nick is quite nice < 1320019615 58456 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it moved the nick column out quite a bit < 1320019618 262829 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is annoying < 1320019625 583903 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have xchat style nick column) < 1320019641 4070 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the Windows port of XChat < 1320019648 526809 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not remember why I am using Windows < 1320019651 300838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because, frankly it is a lot easier to read irc that way IMO) < 1320019667 206167 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that thing on the left < 1320019674 631 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of the one on the right < 1320019704 102498 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :TheAstoundingVan, I'm on mixed atm. Lets see, this is on ubuntu, a freebsd box is running on the other side of the room, and my desktop is on windows 7 atm waiting for bloody stupid steam to decide it doesn't need to install .NET for the fourth time. < 1320019726 996357 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have but one computer < 1320019733 263704 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1320019748 682335 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, one computer that I could feasibly chat on IRC with that is definitely in my possession < 1320019772 903430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1320019786 591814 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Kindle actually belongs to my dad < 1320019798 530790 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the family computer is... the family computer < 1320019808 160457 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brother's laptop is my brother's < 1320019825 452625 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1320019828 292371 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 98SE computer doesn't have an internet connection < 1320019835 432505 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the what.... < 1320019838 309552 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Wii is shared between me and my brother < 1320019839 143053 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got to be kidding < 1320019842 462252 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 98SE < 1320019847 47057 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1320019847 834392 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1320019874 284361 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously < 1320019881 530148 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not turned on because it is rather loud < 1320019887 915730 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play Lego Loco on it mainly < 1320019889 512029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TheAstoundingVan: Upgrade it to 95. < 1320019959 163511 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think 95 can run Lego Loco < 1320019976 62504 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also got Rollercoaster Tycoon < 1320020014 901934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1320020085 128201 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god < 1320020089 631307 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't i have rollercoaster tycoon < 1320020091 179933 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it work in wine < 1320020105 123484 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like "sort of" < 1320020107 697889 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1320020142 700187 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have Lego Loco? < 1320020187 913527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is old enough to run okay in qemu I think... < 1320020193 417869 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly < 1320020195 321465 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so even if it doesn't work in wine < 1320020196 209520 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could just use virtualbox < 1320020210 823521 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was written almost entirely in assembly < 1320020214 679368 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that too < 1320020402 166835 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-frandom-seed=string < 1320020402 371463 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : This option provides a seed that GCC uses when it would otherwise < 1320020402 443571 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : use random numbers. It is used to generate certain symbol names < 1320020402 443755 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : that have to be different in every compiled file. < 1320020403 847716 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, seriously? < 1320020410 670259 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc relies on random numbers not repeating over different runs? < 1320020413 487655 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoo boy < 1320020441 178540 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should cause some problems < 1320020453 516833 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless the RNG is awful < 1320020470 252011 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh? < 1320020483 845793 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be "seed + 1" < 1320020507 243495 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, lego Loco doesn't work on Wine < 1320020511 737639 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sad < 1320020517 538647 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I very sobber < 1320020580 531898 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEITHER DOES LEGO FOOTBALL MANIA < 1320020622 476354 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How am I going to get a simultaneous Lego, sport, and Linux fix now! < 1320020665 515145 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NETHER DOES LEGO ALPHA TEAM :'( < 1320020678 228073 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All my Lego games, worthless! < 1320020697 872262 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to play with actual Lego now! < 1320020731 630200 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. < 1320020737 261303 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TheAstoundingVan: other people played lego alpha team? < 1320020753 361419 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just... how < 1320020754 672286 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you me < 1320020758 785051 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't much good at it < 1320020763 464436 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320020775 660389 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1320020776 947327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ditto < 1320020787 979919 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net NICK :ettioll < 1320020798 639919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : are you me <-- i thought we had established that already. < 1320020808 642404 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ettioll < 1320020812 23909 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice name actually < 1320020814 718911 :ettioll!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1320020830 188308 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320020836 91393 :ettioll!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320020920 717250 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320020929 701424 :ettioll!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320020950 368482 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320020960 47502 :ettioll!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up, monqy < 1320020969 339670 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im betrayd < 1320021035 26316 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no monqy < 1320021035 760842 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :un < 1320021036 551297 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shutup < 1320021038 879218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :moqny < 1320021040 945221 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021044 21068 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021051 780898 :ettioll!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moqny, is "Elliott" an old family name for you? < 1320021059 640736 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's why it's my first name < 1320021062 837572 :ettioll!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, do you speak in a fake London accent? < 1320021065 639110 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :family names go first < 1320021087 809201 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :moqny, on Iceland they do yes < 1320021091 334936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in the rest of the world < 1320021106 723705 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iceland doesnt have family names < 1320021113 972943 :ettioll!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My great-great-great grandmother was called Elliott < 1320021122 212911 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no Vorpal UR WRONGE, < 1320021162 944453 :ettioll!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net NICK :noqmy < 1320021166 483772 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021166 640009 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1320021169 484793 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021190 576141 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, move to Hexham and make this even more confusing < 1320021200 159039 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, get older before Thursday < 1320021207 266346 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1320021214 673783 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a minute older than I was a minute ago < 1320021220 4429 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT GOOD ENOUGH < 1320021223 692781 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021226 449369 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021231 609328 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021233 927891 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021236 825581 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021238 479572 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021257 499998 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021263 870885 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021271 214856 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021279 971916 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021287 981065 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021291 848277 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021333 307239 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021337 152941 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021341 33988 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021350 740184 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021357 690732 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021360 162875 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021371 351614 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021372 926671 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021376 131286 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021382 639358 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021385 861853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :nomqy < 1320021387 621086 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021388 963162 :nomqy!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021391 367753 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021391 489193 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021394 507538 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021398 960368 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021401 776685 :nomqy!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021404 387721 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021407 288182 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021408 154413 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320021415 773850 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-189.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIX PIG < 1320021420 178813 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOO < 1320021424 283877 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :crys < 1320021431 67216 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sobber... < 1320021431 382141 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-189.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1320021444 117095 :nomqy!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you FIEND < 1320021572 645617 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HHHHIIIIIIII>>??;/, . .. ../ / < 1320021590 443514 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are now Pietbot's arch enemy, pikhq_ < 1320021596 947701 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you are happy < 1320021610 936163 :nomqy!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy happy joy joy < 1320021616 185685 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cry < 1320021643 398085 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; ;_; < 1320021648 357680 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ;___; < 1320021655 200986 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they merged < 1320021659 244861 :nomqy!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ;__; < 1320021662 176472 :nomqy!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1320021667 120492 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ruined < 1320021668 225423 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorey < 1320021679 8018 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; ;__; ;___; ;_____; < 1320021707 756198 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just always be monqy < 1320021744 19456 :nomqy!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ \m/ \m/ \o/ \o/ < 1320021760 125224 :nomqy!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1320021784 686922 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nomqy's painful adjustment to a name shorter than myndzi\ < 1320021855 320510 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you have a constraint solver free < 1320021878 724580 :nomqy!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be silly, how can it be constrained and free at the same time < 1320021916 11426 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all my constraint solver costs big money < 1320021968 335623 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I have biggest money < 1320022018 470124 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1320022049 936415 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moqny, I have created more esolangs than you < 1320022054 865107 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did this happen < 1320022065 779380 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did this happen < 1320022070 332295 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have created more than is on my wiki page, i believe < 1320022080 107492 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1320022170 293427 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not designed many esolangs < 1320022213 646294 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's interesting < 1320022231 592779 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have not designed many esolangs shame < 1320022232 161622 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1320022288 803513 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, that might be a bit hard to parse < 1320022294 540093 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :properly, at least < 1320022326 367614 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luigi is a language which only I believe to be Turing-complete < 1320022358 609056 :nomqy!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shall now proceed to design ~ 40310 esolangs at once < 1320022363 710440 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you proven this < 1320022367 71754 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these < 1320022371 779105 :nomqy!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> permutations "+-<>[].," < 1320022371 946785 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its turing completeness < 1320022372 633131 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["+-<>[].,","-+<>[].,","<-+>[].,","-<+>[].,","<+->[].,","+<->[].,","><-+[].... < 1320022372 814637 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1320022379 72131 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, twice < 1320022383 258172 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people other than you not believing in its turing completenes < 1320022385 285834 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently neither of them count < 1320022385 957627 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you proven that < 1320022388 325422 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1320022395 912596 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither of the other people count < 1320022398 407539 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you bungle the proofs or is everyone just a jerk < 1320022408 60132 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he bungled the proofs < 1320022409 778051 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bungled the proofs < 1320022420 204888 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bungle, a good word < 1320022421 704185 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I translated non-turing complete turing machines < 1320022430 359616 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1320022443 447157 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can translate arbitrary turing machines to Luigi, but can't be bothered with long ones < 1320022456 241482 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With lots of states < 1320022467 195151 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :automation reasons < 1320022487 850811 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can write a sound algorithm to perform the reduction, who needs manual translation? < 1320022494 52529 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone finds or creates a notation for expressing Turing-Machines, I will do so < 1320022507 407043 :nomqy!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i post general translators instead < 1320022525 173556 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did that for Nandypants and Noryshorts < 1320022531 651329 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which were my first published esolangs < 1320022539 410099 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda calculus (laughs) < 1320022543 120929 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sk calculus (laughs) < 1320022546 737403 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck (laughs) < 1320022549 532527 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I can translate arbitrary turing machines to Luigi, but can't be bothered with long ones < 1320022558 56371 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you actually prove every tm can be translated though < 1320022567 856850 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I am able to translate any one < 1320022575 903967 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good proof < 1320022577 839611 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just haven't bothered proving it < 1320022617 809083 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof by i hope taneb doesn't die < 1320022688 421961 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's simple really < 1320022753 583443 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But annoyingly hard to describe < 1320022764 21273 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1320022793 948548 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For each cell, you put an "N" followed by a number representing its colour < 1320022824 265345 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for the one with the poor sod in the box, in which you put a letter representing the state of the poor sod in a box instead of the "N" < 1320022866 57211 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you put an expand left marker at the left end of the tape and an expand right marker at the right end of the tape < 1320022895 49015 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :These can be any characters that aren't a semicolon or used to represent a pen state or a cell colour < 1320022904 370144 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the initial tape < 1320022950 329746 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you put ";L;LN0;R;N0R;", assuming L and R are the expand markers < 1320022968 791121 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 0 is the default colour < 1320022985 829932 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now comes the tedious bit < 1320022999 885767 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For each rule, first see if it moves left or right < 1320023081 63900 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320023085 255522 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320023251 186302 :nomqy!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320023324 235300 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1320023339 856150 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1320023367 162866 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1320023447 278651 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320023844 785034 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sucks being a hydrogen cat < 1320025283 485608 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-189.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1320025294 405393 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-197-167.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320025933 328454 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out how to use Astrolog to compute the date of Chinese New Year. < 1320026070 57378 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is simple to do by using the Ephemeris chart and restricting everything except the Sun and Moon. < 1320026090 431624 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is most likely to occur in January or February. < 1320026144 174416 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that is the date you would look firts. < 1320026147 822962 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/firts/first/ < 1320026172 92588 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The longitude for Chinese would be 120:00E < 1320026691 945051 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-197-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense that that'd work. < 1320026713 582476 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-197-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, Chinese holidays are on their old, lunar calendar. < 1320026873 570607 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; it is the new moon before the sun reaches 330 degrees (also called Pisces). On the Ephemeris calendar you can see the red line for Sun and blue line for Moon (by default there are many more, but you can turn off whatever you want to omit). When the red and blue line cross is the new moon. You can pause animation and use !@#$%^&*( and -+ to advance the time. And then look the red line is to the left of the 330 degrees point, because it will < 1320026939 14924 :nomqy!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :... because it will < 1320026946 263958 :nomqy!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan < 1320026975 633417 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... because it will then reach that point in a few days or a month or so. < 1320027044 4980 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Important Note: This "Pisces" has nothing to do with the constellation of the same name; in this context, "Pisces" is just another name for 330 degrees. I prefer to work directly in degrees.) < 1320029287 364736 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blissiness < 1320029291 676583 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < 1320029291 810101 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blissiness is created with bliss and busy with makes blissiness. It is now the mark into internet for the websitecreator, former librarian:) . < 1320029291 951728 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blissiness rooted in bliss meaning not excited not the other side of excited, just in the neutral midst. Blissiness rooted in being busy and disappearing in, there is no doer and object, just a verb like there is only "singing", 'doing', 'creating' and so on '...... ing'. A realized way being without ego, just clear consciousness itsself, not the content of it thats something else. A realized one has no ego left and abide as pure consciousness. Its < 1320029292 183254 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to tell, explain, just one knows as experience or not. The easiest way to explain is that one in the most difficult situations experience to be without ego just listening as pure consciousness with no interferention of mind itsself: sure this is not easy. Many realized let see that it happen in the world today. < 1320029297 203308 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: recent changes = best??? < 1320029410 626621 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1320029420 600956 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes best < 1320030402 235050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that didn't last long :P < 1320030480 693711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently i was just 1 minute too late < 1320030482 106736 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rest in peace < 1320030496 836965 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cur | prev) 02:47, 31 October 2011‎ Skater (talk | contribs)‎ (931 bytes) (Requesting speedy deletion (CSD A1). (TW)) (undo) < 1320030496 996869 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cur | prev) 02:46, 31 October 2011‎ Blissiness (talk | contribs)‎ (914 bytes) (Explanation and meaning of 'blissiness' as mark on the internet.) (Tag: possible autobiography or conflict of interest) < 1320030497 69015 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :blissiness 2:46--3:05 < 1320033458 829137 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1320033685 178671 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you file for univorce if you are unmarried and don't like yourself anymore? < 1320033812 506104 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How common are golf balls with plutonium? < 1320033839 991022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the di- in divorce apparently comes from a preposition meaning apart, not two, so i think it would be a portmanteau < 1320033860 391543 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1320033930 671601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect they are very rare. < 1320033946 39112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you want an extremely heavy golf ball, anyhow. < 1320033955 385483 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1320033968 275115 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just read these things somewhere. < 1320033980 723869 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Can you file for univorce if you are unmarried and don't like yourself anymore? < 1320033983 193516 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :701) Can you file for univorce if you are unmarried and don't like yourself anymore? < 1320034112 364985 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think that's called suicide. < 1320034173 793035 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I suppose so. But someone was trying to write something else, probably to make a joke < 1320034326 331497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm reminded of that disembodied spirit in H2G2 < 1320034336 543937 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: someone else? < 1320034344 622476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which apparently had done _just_ that < 1320034991 950573 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i loved that guy < 1320035584 951666 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1320036057 825059 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes it was Jyte claims I was looking at, I think. < 1320036154 497774 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you played Napoleon with aces low? I think that would affect the game a lot; while most games are unaffected by making aces low (as long as it is decided before the cards are dealt, that is). < 1320036185 924673 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatis napoleon < 1320036211 623954 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A card game for five players. < 1320036255 645830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some games have aces both high and low < 1320036302 585258 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, some do. < 1320036336 202894 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in trick taking games, aces are usually high only, and changing the rules such that aces are low won't affect anything. < 1320036481 168436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, if only the order of ranks matters, then it's just a simple permutation < 1320036640 84054 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Napoleon has some unusual rules, such as: the ace of spades beats everything, if five cards of the same suit are played then the two wins (if there is a two), you earn a point for a TJQKA of each suit (and if you collect all 20 without bidding 20, you lose due to the Siberian rule), etc < 1320036785 943683 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it is your team's cards collcted that count; the team is selected by a card the declarer names, whoever holds that card is the declarer's partner, but nobody else knows who it is until the named card is played (it is possible for the declarer to name a card he holds, playing alone, and earning more points at the end) < 1320037193 170306 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever played these kind of card game? < 1320037273 576334 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive heard of a similar thing < 1320038171 610353 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I make the program based on Swiss Ephemeris (not soon, though; probably later) what is it should be called???????????????????????????????? < 1320038176 864321 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :q < 1320038470 939054 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with misspelled monqy < 1320038479 3099 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :q is an excellent name < 1320038516 275212 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just q by itself? < 1320038550 28908 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1320038566 521919 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think the name has been taken < 1320038594 237291 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still disagree however < 1320038678 890870 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you asked for suggestions. you arent obligated to take them < 1320038687 648562 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1320040312 522967 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You try write such a program. < 1320040568 932783 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1320040601 408865 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1320040717 939278 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I could go to bed < 1320040857 18499 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is string theory: science, philosophy, or mathematics? < 1320041001 668510 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's string theory < 1320041010 985363 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: should i change my nick back < 1320041019 620520 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1320041022 864203 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im opinionless < 1320041071 503654 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say yes but it is not up to me < 1320041695 482107 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: if you're gonna be opinionless at least write pcsm for me sheesh < 1320041720 142093 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: tup update btw, dunno if you're subscribed to tup-users < 1320041747 306187 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :moqny, no I didn't. Doesn't affect the arch package, it is a -git package. < 1320041765 676207 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :So unless git repo url or build/install steps change it doesn't really need changing < 1320041768 187923 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I "didn't"? anyway I know that, I was just saying you should reinstall it < 1320041769 708587 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another fictitious object I want to include is the "ecclesiastical moon". < 1320041787 770632 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :moqny, "no I didn't subscribe to that list" < 1320041789 472495 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moqny: whats pcsm :( < 1320041815 421527 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that is possible. < 1320041822 934151 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: purely crystalline sex monsters (it is actually packaconfigurservice manager) < 1320041850 692756 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1320041947 354535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is that what they use to calculate easter? < 1320042035 311323 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes. < 1320042085 471108 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ecclesiastical moon is real it's just really black so you can't see it < 1320042090 866501 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's dirty because nobody cares about it) < 1320042092 649976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1320042099 65129 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swiss Ephemeris allows defining fictitious objects in external files. By default it includes the Uranians although you can add stuff. < 1320042171 28998 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1320042209 980081 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can add planets to the solar system as well as moons to the Earth. < 1320042241 563979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :moqny: sure they care, how would they otherwise know when to collect easter eggs? < 1320042250 655387 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi coppro < 1320042259 1780 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no they dont lov ie t < 1320042261 462852 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;___; < 1320042904 440456 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320042944 401289 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1320042952 633920 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd there is absolutely no justification for anyone to be up at this time ever at all. < 1320042955 702894 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :On that note, < 1320042957 560901 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1320042968 129459 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't sleep < 1320042973 992607 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel awful < 1320043927 867947 :jix!~jix@dronf.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1320044472 81070 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1320044994 492234 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320045123 815978 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1320045137 337401 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a country that resembles the United Kingdom, identifiable from the grey skies and mandatory uniforms." < 1320045137 564076 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What have we become. < 1320045426 881880 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1320045535 176297 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: citation needed. < 1320045743 604401 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1320046409 817069 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320046529 569698 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, if we actually end up in a dystopia, it will not be Orwellian < 1320046536 900629 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor will it be Huxleyis < 1320046537 910511 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1320046726 843457 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will be like that book I read once < 1320046738 352413 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was called... Framed? Traces? something like that... < 1320047171 444570 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1320047238 700003 :CakeProphet!~eris@h55.59.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320047238 772373 :CakeProphet!~eris@h55.59.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1320047238 772508 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1320048679 675063 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1320049180 855425 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320049228 484855 :jix!~jix@dronf.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320049523 456601 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently my typing speed is 95 wpm < 1320049542 383702 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder I can actually follow along writing notes in LaTeX < 1320049554 598679 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is a bitch in linear algebra) < 1320049576 163459 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn shorthand typing < 1320049580 741044 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Save the world < 1320049780 640568 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: lol < 1320050119 909076 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 259 seconds < 1320051564 592800 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went and bothered to actually look up how wpm is defined the other day < 1320051569 349608 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out i was calculating it wrong by removing spaces < 1320051571 394953 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net NICK :myndzi < 1320051577 765129 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually type about 150 in bursts on irc ;) < 1320051701 125701 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely surprised, I can certainly get much higher in bursts when I'm typing out my own thoughts than when I'm typing from text I'm reading as I go which is the standard testing method < 1320051719 373328 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :95 is not much for english < 1320051724 578227 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not little either < 1320051728 307860 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not much < 1320051757 353827 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prolly have much less < 1320051758 850673 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 4 < 1320051762 906219 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d932d6a9.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320051766 134641 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll try < 1320051768 111240 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what? 95 is plenty < 1320051773 982106 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, professional plenty < 1320051882 933241 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320051923 351042 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1320051950 736467 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i just know too many crazy people < 1320051965 445964 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems it's like the top 0% < 1320051971 855386 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :95 < 1320052026 966365 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320052073 735561 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Still* half-term, Ngevd? < 1320052073 850651 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1320052101 444494 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teacher training day < 1320052178 798855 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1320052182 413734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon they'll be able to fetch and roll around < 1320052194 621090 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems the average is 36 < 1320052503 43332 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1320052535 741172 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1320052547 296841 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan! you're norwegian! < 1320052552 879885 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you're finnish! < 1320052566 547455 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :totta < 1320052571 928096 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need judgements :D < 1320052579 422851 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm neither Norwegian nor Finnish < 1320052615 894461 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't fit in your quaint little categories < 1320052622 88972 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can i get judgments? < 1320052650 288513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh*, ok then < 1320052657 554210 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a few! < 1320052662 172067 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first can you translate John has spoken with the boys, and Susan has spoken with the girls < 1320052686 561064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :John har snakket med guttene, og Susan har snakket med jentene < 1320052750 972326 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhh no determiner! < 1320052753 336011 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems you're still doing the same thing < 1320052755 922677 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok how about < 1320052770 361618 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :John has spoken with every boy and Susan has spoken with every girl < 1320052777 921605 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: same stuff, but different specifics :p < 1320052793 533226 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION predicts exact same word order
< 1320052796 168357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :John har snakket med hver gutt og Susan har snakket med hver jente < 1320052812 783130 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :did not expect them to align almost perfectly < 1320052821 334375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: you can force a determiner on definite nouns by adding an adjective, btw. < 1320052825 193096 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ionus pueroris dixit, et Susanna puellis < 1320052839 59825 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i see < 1320052840 545621 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1320052858 999730 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ionus omnis pueroris dixit, et Susanna omnis puellis < 1320052876 795223 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/pueroris/pueris/ < 1320052883 550593 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: good or bad: John har snakket med hver gutt og Susan har med hver jente < 1320052896 885270 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: that was the old stuff < 1320052899 884056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh i expected precisely that one from you :P < 1320052901 544890 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ey? < 1320052904 182377 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :) < 1320052907 548677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat bad < 1320052915 628374 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: basically exactly what oerjan just said < 1320052921 268208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"har med" is an idiom meaning something else, too < 1320052928 497178 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok and without "har"? < 1320052932 322654 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the right side < 1320052936 861758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's ok < 1320052946 606154 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so you speak like i need to you < 1320052952 540457 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok lets get to the real questions :) < 1320052963 313749 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yay calibration) < 1320052982 947970 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :John har snakket med hver gutt og Susan hver jente < 1320053012 228661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, mostly < 1320053021 647519 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to mean the same as "John har snakket med hver gutt og Susan har snakket med hver jente" ? < 1320053023 806024 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just gonna watch this and leave just before i'm needed (unless one was enough) < 1320053029 589126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1320053034 757716 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :) < 1320053060 663360 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :John har snakket med hver gutt og Susan med jente < 1320053065 447110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1320053119 461854 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :last one < 1320053124 949269 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :John har snakket med hver gutt og Susan jente < 1320053137 505178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still awful < 1320053141 316088 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you sir! < 1320053151 677186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1320053153 763683 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you for being a perfect speaker of norwegian :D < 1320053183 563279 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you willing? :x < 1320053215 780640 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should probably talk to Deewiant or fizzie, i tend to find everything correct < 1320053219 455873 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me of something I said once, augur < 1320053226 461261 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I need someone who's willing." < 1320053226 533399 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: :P < 1320053232 972449 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think fizzie was my last informant anyway < 1320053241 247187 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think you gave me good judgments too, oklopol! < 1320053272 646539 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1320053274 641304 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool stuff < 1320053278 754732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol thinks äkkyllä sitä toikolassa sounds correct < 1320053279 763210 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the real reason i have to go is < 1320053281 718883 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to go < 1320053289 34265 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: aww ok < 1320053296 106125 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rapes oklopol farewell
< 1320053303 466423 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Äkky is not a word i know < 1320053329 952823 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :toikola is obviously a place, that means to hit someone with an äkky in toivola < 1320053339 343863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1320053350 91526 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm oerjan < 1320053352 847716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably painful < 1320053507 469049 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interesting part is where the allative form of äkky is äkkyllä, it would usually be äkyllä < 1320053581 350077 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a hunch they do that in some dialect here < 1320053592 848197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't quite got those consonant modifications pat down yet. < 1320053594 732936 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't really speak in any dialect < 1320053635 102407 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for using two words that are rare outside turku which i haven't been able to get rid of < 1320053645 730894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i actually had this sort of hunch the kk was wrong there < 1320053663 225373 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wanna give my paper draft a read through, up to but not including section 3? :D < 1320053671 636212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1320053674 646308 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1320053688 114035 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1320053689 959565 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1320053700 948891 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye! < 1320053878 634914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1320054175 979155 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1320054764 558045 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320054859 334925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320055913 699459 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is possible to write a quine in Brook, Brook is more computationally powerful than a linear-bounded automaton < 1320055923 236076 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ Taneb's conjecture < 1320056004 180952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if the conclusion is true, but i don't think that's a sound argument... < 1320056420 515272 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is clear that the computational power of Brook is at least that of a Linear Bounded Automaton < 1320056444 340229 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As indeed it is, if one discounts the commands 'c' and 'C' < 1320056856 118060 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, with the commands 'c' and 'C', if a quine is possible an infinite loop is possible < 1320056897 260219 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the greatest of arguments, I'll admit < 1320057199 883784 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d932d6a9.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1320057206 129464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds better < 1320057377 425585 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just put my surname into Wolfram Alpha, because I'm bored < 1320057402 315165 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram Alpha interpreted it as two words < 1320057408 870650 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which are both place names < 1320057482 271706 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a better result than my friend's surname < 1320057487 523030 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which redirects to "Horse" < 1320057661 458584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boringly enough, WA interprets my surname as a surname :P < 1320057669 408016 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1320057717 325022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and claims 1 in 28409 americans have it < 1320057752 669049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 9509 people < 1320057964 155788 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1320058041 43242 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1320058049 893424 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The third most common first name for my surname is apparently Jan < 1320058054 861805 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fourth is Heinz < 1320058060 763023 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fifth is Theodore < 1320058210 198168 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :W|A redirects my surname into a location; Kalajoki, North Ostrobothnia, population 9278. < 1320058222 366095 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Notable people born in Kalajoki: (none known)" < 1320058225 192348 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most useful box. < 1320058239 134739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are your ancestors from there? < 1320058244 535767 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1320058262 438158 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ancestors are from a town near Utrecht, the Netherlands < 1320058264 941150 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're from pretty much the opposite side of the country. < 1320058301 208237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1320058455 117486 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Other tips for using Wolfram|Alpha: You can only get answers about objective facts. Try "highest mountain", not "most beautiful painting". < 1320058475 776454 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"most beautiful painting" ends up giving a comparison table between to periodical publications, Beautiful and Painting. < 1320058500 232831 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Only what is known is known to Wolfram|Alpha < 1320058501 952850 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask "how many men in Mauritania", not "how many monsters in Loch Ness"" < 1320058516 351790 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, surely the most beautiful painting is one of Stephen Wolfram. < 1320058555 213536 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I ask the latter. "Input interpretation: How many Loch Ness monsters are there?" "Result: 0 (For the most part, the scientific community considers evidence of the existence of such creatures to be a combination of misidentification and deliberate hoaxes.)" < 1320058731 629019 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can type in "edge detect Abraham Lincoln image with radius 7" into W|A, and it will do input interpretation: EdgeDetect[ [Abraham Lincoln | Image], 7 (radius) ] and give the resulting image. < 1320058844 428291 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, if you ask it to "edge detect Abraham Lincoln" and don't mention the image, it will compare Abraham Lincoln and Edge, the wrestler. < 1320058878 355660 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Edge, the U2 member? < 1320058880 527054 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dissapointing < 1320058931 837592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1320058960 977857 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does it tell you who would win in a fight? < 1320058979 815997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume you were thinking of http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/2049.html < 1320058984 52822 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: If you ask it to "edge detect the edge image", it will edge-detect an image of the U2 guitarist. < 1320059007 561705 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes I was < 1320059056 623066 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1320059192 661627 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked it about "who would win in a fight" in general, but it just produced a dictionary-ish definition for the word "fight". < 1320059228 924372 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, now I've got Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny < 1320059685 948171 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PART :#esoteric < 1320059830 355234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1320059831 879971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320061304 839491 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do I set myself as a postgres user? < 1320061387 305224 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind I think I've got it. < 1320061553 195410 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh what < 1320061561 277689 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran sudo -u postgres createdb db < 1320061571 409178 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :could not change directory to "/home/adam/scripts/repos/aioseo/aiofront" < 1320061586 535772 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no db file, and now I try to run it again it says the db already exists. < 1320062286 214830 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind I think I got it. < 1320062713 343006 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/win 20 < 1320063058 486452 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1320063776 750216 :Nisstyre!~yours@infocalypse-net.info QUIT :*.net *.split < 1320063991 184159 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320063997 910030 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 PART :#esoteric < 1320067526 786444 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1320067710 250674 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320067712 905153 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1320067767 172923 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yello(w). < 1320068270 32333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1320068323 795215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320068430 777975 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now have Banksy as my wallpaper < 1320068452 734545 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be precise, a work by Banksy < 1320070102 822509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1320070143 71848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320070296 427456 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1320071057 391681 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320071280 249187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1320071337 581757 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the protests in London are bring down the corrupt capalist church < 1320071528 805270 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaeh < 1320071593 954442 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :corrupt protestant brainwashing corporations, man. < 1320071632 267068 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bring down this theocratic tyranny < 1320071653 865897 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1320071996 222372 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320072034 268917 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear < 1320072181 461366 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1320072210 111294 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320072268 128159 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1320073260 75765 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Singing one song to the tune of another" does not seem to be a Wikipedia article < 1320073338 291248 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1320073358 174671 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320073602 594478 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE894D7.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320073916 53060 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I regret introducing my friend to the Crazy World of Arthur Brown < 1320074016 624933 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320075738 797868 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1320076590 18572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320076701 313573 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320076922 221624 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320078762 533621 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1320078763 668631 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1320078765 853749 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you read < 1320078768 521947 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :226) My quotes are boring < 1320078768 595530 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me < 1320078783 173935 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh damn, I was counting on the connection having dropped. < 1320078786 331081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1320078845 106502 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1320079652 691106 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.9.255 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320080323 136548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523\unfoog < 1320081710 614885 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.9.255 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1320081845 249129 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.8.103 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320082355 708999 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, he < 1320082358 545328 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh* < 1320082360 616230 :aptennap!d9795522@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.121.85.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320082445 21101 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.8.103 QUIT :Quit: http://haskell.org < 1320082655 588545 :aptennap!d9795522@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.121.85.34 QUIT :Client Quit < 1320082739 778790 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.8.103 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320082805 647971 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1320082821 660929 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320083293 649359 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1320083731 651715 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1320083828 415196 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-18-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320083876 328172 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db43ac5.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320084330 293412 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1320084374 563618 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320085479 399060 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320085557 680155 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db43ac5.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1320085605 581563 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1320085808 89607 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.8.103 QUIT :Quit: http://haskell.org < 1320085980 174145 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1320086127 771137 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy australian mailman mailing list reminders day < 1320086645 413654 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:25:23: apparently my typing speed is 95 wpm < 1320086648 230050 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: god you're slow < 1320086679 469143 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:02:48: oklopol: what? 95 is plenty < 1320086679 664744 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:02:53: like, professional plenty < 1320086679 774928 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :professional slow < 1320086702 764732 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I'm neither Norwegian nor Finnish I don't fit in your quaint little categories < 1320086705 464847 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :702) I'm neither Norwegian nor Finnish I don't fit in your quaint little categories < 1320086798 239479 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: SYN < 1320086826 741623 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, professional slow typist? < 1320086844 968370 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1320087041 927765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320087063 283938 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320087091 207307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523\unfoog < 1320087301 270059 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1320087405 265706 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: oh dear < 1320087417 146945 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/null/nethack time! < 1320087422 807768 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott\unfoog < 1320087424 166096 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION imposter
< 1320087430 352503 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, ais523\unfoog is an op now < 1320087431 753076 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1320087449 779915 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_czxTedXpc < 1320087457 627567 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :255 million... how... what... < 1320087461 469663 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, /dev/null/nethack makes less than zero sense, as a name < 1320087470 940968 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott\unfoog: indeed, I didn't name it < 1320087475 58146 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's thigh massage video! < 1320088240 422737 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott\unfoog, the worldwide interest in thigh massage is not that high! < 1320088252 270262 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Wow, I've been doing it all wrong. < 1320088256 336862 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Life, that is. < 1320088259 81025 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was completely unaware. < 1320088269 429361 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Anyway, it's not just thigh massage. < 1320088272 395374 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's thigh massage VIDEO. < 1320088359 215080 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1320088751 600686 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1320089085 94486 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :plenty of slow < 1320089092 334541 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in his typing < 1320089155 252615 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320089287 839555 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know a decent x86 emulator for people without fancy virtualising CPUs that doesn't taint your kernel with TAINT_CRAP like VirtualBox does < 1320089293 611476 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(qemu does not count as decent for reasons of being so fucking slow) < 1320089380 350498 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320089441 186219 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1320089461 646421 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-197-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, VMware only does tainting from being proprietary. < 1320089465 284110 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320089513 478683 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I... suppose that could work :P < 1320089523 913448 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Is VMware actually decent these days < 1320089552 816707 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the package is out of date, so I won't bother :P < 1320089583 354739 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: OH WELL, VirtualBox it is. < 1320089590 846232 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1320089622 346279 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Have I mentioned that Kitten is probably going to happen soonish. < 1320089709 823232 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sighh, gpasswd -G vboxusers elliott; modprobe vboxdrv vboxnetflt. < 1320089817 693339 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott\unfoog: wow that nick is annoying given you aren't in unfoog < 1320089828 530538 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523\unfoog: oh dear < 1320089828 811663 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : /dev/null/nethack time! < 1320089828 883942 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* You are now known as elliott\unfoog < 1320089828 884107 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* elliott\unfoog imposter < 1320089828 884214 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : wait, ais523\unfoog is an op now < 1320089829 209589 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : fuck < 1320089850 167988 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have determined that this nick has some kind of special power which stops me from being kicked :P < 1320089850 975092 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely having a misleading nick isn't a channel offence, but a server offence? < 1320089866 772145 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, maybe I can get K-lined over it?? :P < 1320089918 595791 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just sent a verbal patch for a /dev/null bug; seems krystal had added field to a structure /after/ the struct-hack field < 1320089931 323308 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is one of the weirder mistakes to make in C that I've seen < 1320089950 959394 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1320089999 617248 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: struct-hack field? < 1320090014 313088 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott\unfoog: you know the struct-hack, right? < 1320090026 706570 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you put a length-0/length-1/length-MAXINT/length-nullstring array at the end of a struct < 1320090026 783640 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope :) well I vaguely recall /something/ < 1320090030 724812 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1320090031 315951 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then allocate it to the size you actually want < 1320090044 417110 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding fields after that one is obviously not going to work very well < 1320090045 331340 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(length-nullstring is C99 and isn't a hack) < 1320090048 362273 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1320090048 961703 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's officially supported) < 1320090055 165010 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "the struct hack" is the name for the technique < 1320090061 888373 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C99's length-nullstring is just legalizing it < 1320090085 177732 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :length-0 is GNU; length-MAXINT I don't believe anyone actually uses but it's been suggested that it fits the letter of the standard better than length-1 < 1320090086 174735 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I disagree :P but ok < 1320090097 338349 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do < 1320090103 635596 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(){int foo[MAXINT];} < 1320090107 353655 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually internal-errors gcc < 1320090190 928716 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1320090193 253815 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's hilarious < 1320090198 272630 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's INT_MAX < 1320090222 870274 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said MAXINT :P < 1320090229 441682 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, gcc does not like too-big arrays on the stack. < 1320090242 877875 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called MAXINT except in C < 1320090303 797694 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/stdin: In function ‘main’: < 1320090305 160066 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/stdin:2: error: size of array ‘foo’ is too large < 1320090306 658488 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lies < 1320090367 962040 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: it did a couple of years ago, anyway < 1320090372 804543 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prseumably somebody noticed < 1320090392 429229 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, the error message looks a lot like they're specifically checking for implausibly large arrays < 1320090486 366402 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo 'int main(){int foo[1234567890123456789];}' | gcc -x c /dev/stdin && ./a.out # compiles and runs < 1320090534 865806 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Nice < 1320090540 480228 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That ... probably overflows? < 1320090563 734981 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: Undo all this VirtualBox shit and remove Qt once you're done with it. < 1320090564 345789 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo 'int main(){int foo[12345678901234567890];}' | gcc -x c /dev/stdin < 1320090564 418238 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/stdin: In function ‘main’: < 1320090564 418414 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/stdin:1:20: warning: integer constant is so large that it is unsigned [enabled by default] < 1320090567 838702 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/stdin:1:1: warning: this decimal constant is unsigned only in ISO C90 [enabled by default] < 1320090571 336336 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/stdin:1:16: error: size of array ‘foo’ is too large < 1320090607 182937 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[enabled by default]"? < 1320090618 541163 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some sort of indication of warnings that appear even without -Wall nowadays? < 1320090625 741636 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1320090625 963097 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently! < 1320090628 546951 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: it tells you what flag enables what warning nowadays < 1320090631 235486 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can disable them < 1320090682 393539 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish you didn't have to login-cycle to get new groups < 1320090834 813932 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1320090849 10791 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1320091173 965748 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, annoying that syslinux doesn't do jsf. < 1320091175 694722 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jfs. < 1320091402 4437 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, lilo is actually maintained now. < 1320091545 144976 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's okay < 1320091826 209445 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but is it.... < 1320091861 743860 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay? that's what i said < 1320091887 330783 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oho,e < 1320091890 355778 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you mistaking me for someone who occasionally says something that makes sense or what is this all about < 1320091898 481560 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You're wrong btw < 1320091902 494585 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is < 1320091904 904843 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i checked < 1320091908 95386 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is he...... < 1320091916 610074 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is < 1320091923 293183 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1320091928 269521 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1320091929 360166 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he < 1320091932 289786 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1320091933 104784 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is < 1320091960 389197 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1320091961 84323 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1320091961 986121 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he...... < 1320091980 517018 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ you're making me doubt myself < 1320091987 738318 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too :( < 1320091998 573740 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1320092030 218386 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made the mostest weirdest food < 1320092056 486061 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whate is it < 1320092103 455304 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's stuff and then an egg on top that's almost coagulated but not quite and looks a bit like ghost vomit < 1320092124 708173 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1320092128 676439 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it made of...... < 1320092135 139207 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :egg < 1320092171 24807 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw what does ghost vomit look like... < 1320092194 607289 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well have you ever seen an egg that's almost coagulated but not quite? < 1320092221 561748 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently ghost vomit is a band name < 1320092224 223568 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1320092231 571632 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what < 1320092232 907750 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1320092233 232931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i can't use it < 1320092233 802061 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1320092234 621184 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1320092246 737621 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.myspace.com/ghostvomitband < 1320092247 114328 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.myspace.com/ghostvomitmusic < 1320092250 696469 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are at least two band scalled ghost vomit < 1320092260 198091 :NihilistDandy!~ND@stu-170-155-171-184.champlain.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1320092276 642223 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metal / Psychedelic / Punk < 1320092284 721188 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Genre: Ambient / Healing & EasyListening / Melodramatic Popular Song < 1320092291 102510 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghost vomit < 1320092294 816043 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...healing? < 1320092300 283427 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :melodramatic popular song < 1320092317 808135 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :h...ealing? < 1320092324 81682 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeling < 1320092530 417663 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sexual healing < 1320093111 797114 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if anyone ever comes up with a use for the internet < 1320093138 694371 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1320093289 10116 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e2c4.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320093303 21653 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or clothes < 1320093312 531065 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a clothe < 1320093328 456486 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :touche < 1320093338 190509 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :moare like < 1320093338 835556 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :douche? < 1320093341 638228 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: You're wrong btw <-- wrt what? < 1320093355 240426 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wrt /usr/bin/env being a problem < 1320093356 82196 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of what use are touches < 1320093377 182213 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh? Well seeing stuff like #!/usr/bin/env perl isn't all that uncommon < 1320093378 477399 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :touching is very important < 1320093394 358685 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, mostly because perl is in /usr/local/bin on freebsd for example < 1320093397 395083 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: indeed, and making it work does not at all rely on having a /usr/bin/env file < 1320093406 594201 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1320093415 500260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess #!perl might work, no idea < 1320093423 806521 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :binfmt_misc -> add magic "#!/usr/bin/env" < 1320093427 252069 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and magic "#! /usr/bin/env" < 1320093429 285604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1320093433 456973 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :write trivial program to read executable name after it, execute from path < 1320093434 332259 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :job done < 1320093448 421458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why didn't they do this for /bin/sh then btw in nixos? < 1320093457 275931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably they just didn't think of it < 1320093460 764334 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1320093476 317686 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: although having a real /bin/sh is useful < 1320093479 80259 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can do init=/bin/sh < 1320093482 987787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1320093492 247253 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could just have that on the initramfs? < 1320093494 319166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, #!/bin/bash is fairly common too < 1320093495 838942 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not on the real fs < 1320093499 48085 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah but that's a bug < 1320093506 496261 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually /bin/sh is a bug too but ubiquitous, so < 1320093506 568586 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not if the script is bash specific < 1320093511 411262 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no < 1320093512 425165 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bug < 1320093515 689837 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so what should it do instead < 1320093516 310784 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/usr/bin/env bash is not a bug < 1320093518 830717 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/bash is a bug < 1320093520 873325 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1320093521 814854 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1320093532 61886 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I believe bash is in /usr/bin in debian/ubuntu < 1320093547 648287 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess /bin/sh is OK because /usr might not exist yet < 1320093549 619963 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well afaik /usr/bin/env is not handled on nixos < 1320093552 247362 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but /bin/bash isn't < 1320093554 32228 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :arvid@dragon ~ $ file /bin/bash < 1320093554 188483 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/bash: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, stripped < 1320093558 613417 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a ubuntu system < 1320093558 820685 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's a nixos bug < 1320093569 66307 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, go suggest your solution to them < 1320093583 316316 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, i'd prefer making my own thing instead, they suck < 1320093593 14894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, because of the c++ thingy? yeah < 1320093614 760767 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes; also every other way in which it differs from kitten < 1320093634 636064 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, like actually being available today? < 1320093641 349493 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1320093714 626799 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how hard writing a binfmt is < 1320093720 200920 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be nice not to have to rely on binfmt_misc for it < 1320093785 910679 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1320093826 746684 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-197-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The *POSIX* way to do it is, of course, "command -v bash > /dev/null && bash <<_EOF [...] _EOF" < 1320093829 911034 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-197-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1320093849 38113 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is "command" < 1320093857 206471 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never used that in my life < 1320093862 250140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's the opposite of builtin < 1320093881 522211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: anyway fuck that :p < 1320093933 926221 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Anyway, you still haven't woken Gregor up. I'm disappointed. < 1320094094 210790 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my God I forgot how much unionfs/aufs drama there is. < 1320094103 322108 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.unionfs.org/ ;; this guy registered a domain literally just to tell people how much better aufs is. < 1320094883 930793 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1320094895 588775 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is the difference in functionality= < 1320094898 435133 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/ < 1320094915 431019 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the MIME type text/csv or text/x-csv? < 1320094917 462466 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask that guy :P < 1320094927 844131 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway unionfs is in vanilla isn't it? < 1320094930 355693 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma-separated_values < 1320094943 317626 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, I don't think so. < 1320094952 672901 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1320094952 912213 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, what is up with the \unfoog? I saw elliott having that a while ago < 1320094958 800631 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: elliott was lying < 1320094960 123903 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1320094961 881250 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a NetHack tournament clan < 1320094968 687150 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see < 1320094970 897598 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: I can use whatever nick I want :{ < 1320094975 123465 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd mention its channel, but it's German-speaking < 1320094996 689914 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, so is there a major nethack tournament atm? < 1320095004 215785 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1320095010 858374 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one? < 1320095024 871496 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: /dev/null/nethack < 1320095025 456601 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/null/nethack < 1320095030 207215 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... < 1320095031 162391 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/the/ NetHack tournament < 1320095036 285812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1320095044 490386 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just didn't remember what time of year it usually ran at < 1320095052 449549 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, also how do clans even make sense for nethack? < 1320095066 77858 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a collection of individual players < 1320095071 174133 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mostly to make a trashtalk opportunity < 1320095074 185773 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1320095081 646642 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clan EIT sucks, etc < 1320095088 541788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1320095095 804753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, so anyone ascended yet this year? < 1320095105 52800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and when did it start) < 1320095121 74995 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts in a few hours < 1320095130 179355 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:04] &time < 1320095131 28560 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, quite hard to have ascended then already < 1320095131 600068 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:04] The time remaining until the 2011 Tournament begins is '00-00-00:09-55-10' < 1320095138 534607 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 10 hours < 1320095144 435991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a strange date format that is... < 1320095148 422047 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ascends ahead of time
< 1320095148 819463 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, indeed < 1320095163 738982 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: More importantly, what an odd bot prefi. < 1320095164 235614 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x. < 1320095181 18646 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1320095291 548686 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, the oracle bot is not in #nethack, where is it? < 1320095295 9621 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, it feels weird to be making directories from a Perl script < 1320095297 531564 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: #devnull_nethack < 1320095300 204799 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1320095308 811811 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the channel that's really quiet most of the year < 1320095312 279664 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : wow, it feels weird to be making directories from a Perl script < 1320095313 145583 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1320095318 170202 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but moderately active in October and really active in November < 1320095331 771194 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: basically, I'm trying to run a script I ran last year < 1320095351 95734 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the input format is different, being a gmail account rather than a tarball containing a directory per student < 1320095361 67650 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm doing it mathematician-style, and reducing it to a problem I've already solved ;) < 1320095389 605086 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, well, it is last October today. < 1320095412 58290 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, and the tournament lasts all November, in the wrong timezone < 1320095430 464084 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, which one do they use? < 1320095444 174493 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the US ones < 1320095450 165050 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whichever one makes it start in 9 hours 50 minutes < 1320095454 276878 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway isn't US going back from DST like in a few weeks? Or did it do it a few weeks ago? < 1320095479 216589 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, in which we discover that the tournament setup scripts only work on openBSD 4.8 < 1320095484 552518 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like now is a good time to say: Fuck DST. < 1320095486 874703 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would explain why there's such a high density of BSD servers there < 1320095488 430415 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, ... ouch < 1320095496 62294 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... how? < 1320095503 953471 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: 4.8 is pretty recent... < 1320095505 710573 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they're all VMs anyway < 1320095515 295707 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they rewrote them a year ago and didn't make them portable? < 1320095518 503039 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: apparently they were updated from last year, when they worked on 4.6 specifically < 1320095522 917302 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1320095532 861027 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: ...which was a year before 4.,8 < 1320095536 230046 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they just fix them every year? :P < 1320095561 456408 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1320095566 381532 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is /dev/null we're talking about < 1320095577 315025 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you stop being incredulous after a while < 1320095583 670776 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just assume the correct answer is the least sensible one < 1320095614 883230 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, I really want to see these scripts now. Are they public? < 1320095621 434650 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear I'm going to get quoted again, aren't I? < 1320095627 302453 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no; the game modifications are, but the scripts aren't < 1320095631 454731 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1320095634 573001 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think just because krystal is too lazy to put them online < 1320095638 48770 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1320095651 519405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if it was me, I wouldn't want to put such a broken script online < 1320095668 151894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, what modifications are used btw? menucolour and so on I presume? < 1320095674 853748 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nethack.devnull.net/bragging/index.php < 1320095677 876419 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: pro web serving < 1320095703 32141 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, that link? < 1320095711 222078 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been broken in various random ways for about three years now, not always consistent ones < 1320095718 557228 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1320095722 19737 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: it's showing phpbb3 source code < 1320095723 226435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, and he hasn't fixed it? < 1320095727 811840 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, I haven't seen /that/ one before < 1320095730 643779 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just clicked the link < 1320095737 719444 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, report the bug? < 1320095743 974656 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : AND ug.user_id = ' . $user->data['user_id'] . ' < 1320095748 875212 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not a high priority right now… < 1320095752 565881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay < 1320095754 102470 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :phpbb, you so reassuring. < 1320095757 37613 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's not SQL injection, because it's plain-text < 1320095772 121117 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it /looks/ like PHP, nothing's actually executing it < 1320095772 659600 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1320095773 178726 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: you're implying they use parametrised queries in every case except this < 1320095773 539356 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least config.php is read-protected < 1320095779 168721 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see < 1320095784 976311 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just commenting on the source it was showing :P < 1320095795 962365 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$l_total_user_s = ($total_users == 0) ? 'TOTAL_USERS_ZERO' : 'TOTAL_USERS_OTHER'; < 1320095800 279287 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that still looks unsafe < 1320095803 832526 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quotes there are worrying me < 1320095821 111875 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it isn't < 1320095824 118499 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because user_id will be integral < 1320095843 951543 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1320095855 593075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, depends on the source of $user->data < 1320095863 945063 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just hope it isn't straight from a cookie < 1320095864 907821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1320095888 147917 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure someone would have noticed an exploit THAT obvious. < 1320095904 747587 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$user->session_begin(); < 1320095908 198202 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1320095912 251196 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so session data < 1320095927 36840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that would require analysing a lot of the stuff to figure that out < 1320095951 547568 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :session data is typically not user-controllable, although it's hard to know < 1320095958 202824 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1320095972 537526 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, you would have to check every point it was accessed in the system to figure it out < 1320095997 232303 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: your ability to randomly make obvious comments in IRC as if they were profound is not a particularly useful one < 1320096010 55219 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, very true. < 1320096044 112788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, I actually didn't intend doing that < 1320097564 535585 :Nihilist_!~ND@65.183.136.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320097634 265292 :NihilistDandy!~ND@stu-170-155-171-184.champlain.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1320097752 263249 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320097940 94438 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 7.0.1/20110928134238] < 1320097987 436481 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's this for a CSV file: 2B!$8B!$7B!$9B!$3B!$4B!$5B!$6 < 1320097997 445255 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I interpret "B!$" as ","? < 1320098012 840477 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least nobody submitted a PDF of the lecture notes this time < 1320098273 341527 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe they did, my script probably wouldn't have tried to parse it < 1320098327 766022 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :## Message from Gmail Team has unrecognised subject 'Customize Gmail with colors and themes' < 1320098341 73051 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least my script's spam filter is working decently < 1320098399 589348 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, I think I'm going to have to write a parser. < 1320098413 43288 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone write my parser for me. < 1320098414 483174 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote one last night, for Anarchy < 1320098421 167571 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, umm, I can now parse Anarchy, yay < 1320098426 388250 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, the subset I'm working on first < 1320098430 297965 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, typechecking is the hard part < 1320098443 896802 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this entire compiler is going to suck, as Anarchy is the only sensible language to write it in and I have to bootstrap somehow < 1320098468 260254 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE894D7.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1320098498 142823 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One day in September of 2011 — though I'm not sure precisely which one — marked Befunge-93's 18th birthday. That means that Befunge is now old enough to drink in its native land of Canada. To celebrate this, I thought I'd get Befunge-93 drunk to see what would happen." < 1320098505 361958 :Nihilist_!~ND@65.183.136.152 QUIT :Quit: http://haskell.org < 1320098520 283667 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, right? < 1320098530 556199 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep; he has a new esolang out < 1320098530 924294 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't actually outright state that, nor does it logically imply that < 1320098539 591765 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really, could it really be anyone else? < 1320098566 918085 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He should have more time in the day and more patience for dealing with idiots so he could come here again. < 1320098614 968774 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, someone accidentally did part of atehwa's Underload assignment in ():^ < 1320098622 118695 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: be proud < 1320098642 535388 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: shouldn't that be "oerjan: be proud"? he did the reduction < 1320098650 322683 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The esolang in question: http://catseye.tc/projects/flobnar/ < 1320098651 639029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you made the language :P < 1320098663 662834 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I assumed anyone even vaguely interested would be able to find out < 1320098665 773964 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/out/it/ < 1320098681 68965 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :".falderal"? < 1320098690 221760 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: http://catseye.tc/projects/falderal/ < 1320098693 161139 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'd rather make it easy for people when there's almost no additional effort on my part involved :-P < 1320098756 802149 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: oh wow, it keeps funge-98 style bounding boxes < 1320098762 191633 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chris why < 1320098787 359542 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320098801 575086 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure I like the built-in orientation of things like / < 1320098848 909863 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, did I ever put Shove on the wiki? < 1320098855 472512 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also a pseudo-functional 2D language < 1320098864 593005 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Shove < 1320098866 301811 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1320098905 360718 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flobnar is prettier than Befunge-93, visually. < 1320098996 54520 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, it isn't just a spec, but a literate test suite < 1320099000 143262 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite an interesting idea, actually < 1320099014 817441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The spec is http://catseye.tc/projects/flobnar/src/Flobnar.hs :P < 1320099183 213515 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flobnar is strict, right? It doesn't actually say that, but it implies it, and it's really relevant with the number of side-effects going on < 1320099213 128814 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The `/` term evaluates whatever is to the north of it (and we call that < 1320099213 293017 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It evaluates to the quotient of dividing /a/ by /b/." < 1320099220 43225 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's strict semantics. < 1320099223 121093 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1320099226 801064 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking xchat < 1320099235 325936 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The `/` term evaluates whatever is to the north of it (and we call that < 1320099235 482145 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/a/), then evaluates whatever is to the south of it (and we call that /b/). < 1320099235 554345 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It evaluates to the quotient of dividing /a/ by /b/. < 1320099235 554507 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1320099404 981721 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, apparently Emacs understands the encoding on that "CSV" file as really mapping B!$ to , < 1320099410 963063 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be some weird unusual encoding < 1320099430 422618 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask emacs what encoding it is < 1320099460 271252 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot, but it abbreviated it to "J" < 1320099466 84415 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm guessing Shift-JIS or a variant thereof < 1320099477 452991 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1320099490 302788 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, dunno about that but ok < 1320099547 283318 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1320099555 932125 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, bleh, why does Emacs not recognise utf-9 as a valid coding system name? < 1320099596 945603 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I finally figured out what the command to save a file in a different encoding is: set-buffer-file-coding-system < 1320099602 616988 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd always been accessing it via the menus up to now < 1320099648 22263 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coding system for saving this buffer: < 1320099649 278718 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : J -- iso-2022-7bit-unix < 1320099650 789116 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now we know < 1320099699 973750 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and apparently it's C-x RET f, which is even better than trying to type the name < 1320099806 151703 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rmdir [0-9]*
< 1320099811 182119 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a weird mistake to make… < 1320099837 816510 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, has a different meaning in regex and wildmat, and both would match the set of files I wanted (in the case of a regex, if properly anchored) < 1320099842 502813 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*set of directories < 1320099872 75378 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the wildest mat. < 1320099888 290325 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maaaan, it is ridiculous how much I do not want to write a parser. < 1320099893 628061 :NihilistDandy!~ND@stu-145-155-171-184.champlain.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1320099979 718523 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nixos.org/patchelf.html < 1320099981 23915 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, brilliant < 1320100050 837929 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh for fuck's sake < 1320100055 382127 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had to be written in C++ didn't it < 1320100065 815681 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate you, Nix guys, hate you < 1320100135 256997 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what insane situation are you in that makes you want to change those paths on ELF files? < 1320100245 454213 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: a situation in which the RPATH of a proprietary executable is broken < 1320100253 269154 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that is pretty insane < 1320100264 939643 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: no, it's not < 1320100275 687023 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or: when the ELF interpreter path of a proprietary executable is broken < 1320100286 174105 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, that the executable is wrong < 1320100287 823566 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :propritary executables? whats that < 1320100296 550498 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely such things should have standardised values, as it makes no sense to do it otherwise? < 1320100309 461631 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: binaries that you can't recompile for legal or technical reasons, and also that you didn't write < 1320100320 339471 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: what if your libraries aren't in /lib:/usr/lib:/usr/local/lib? < 1320100322 52460 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy < 1320100334 345589 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in NixOS, they're in /nix/store/sd8fusd9f35890uefd0wj90-libfoo-3.0/lib < 1320100334 697704 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: then why aren't they there? < 1320100342 804736 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and /nix/store/sdf09usdf0q934uasdn-libbar-495/lib < 1320100352 639224 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: because that breaks all the key properties of Nix? < 1320100359 476867 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and any similar system? < 1320100379 511913 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Chromium's New Tab page has been remodeled. Switch between sections by clicking these labels. Chrome will remember your preference for next time. _Learn more_" < 1320100423 223217 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, a) why are they constantly changing the interface for no good reason, it's as bad as firefox, b) I don't care about either the new or old version, c) why does the mouse form a text selection cursor when I move the mouse pointer over the popup yet I can't select the text to copy-and-paste it so I had to retype all that? < 1320100444 872717 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b) sounds more like your problem than Chromium's < 1320100452 613884 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1320100461 618621 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish my new tab page could be blank < 1320100464 461688 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, unless you think a UI update should be completely silent and not offer any kind of help at all to confuse people as much as possible < 1320100469 540470 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy new tab pages make me sad < 1320100486 727437 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also wish I could control autocomplete < 1320100497 181596 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-197-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) is because the browser devs seem to think that change is good, even when it's just change for the sake of change. < 1320100513 926298 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why is gmail telling me about changes to Google Buzz when this is a single-use account that hasn't used it ever? < 1320100524 170929 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :changes = it's being shut down < 1320100539 390189 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think it's hilarious that Microsoft copies OS X and Linux even when they're full of bad rather than good ideas < 1320100560 382034 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not actually more than vaguely related, but I'm in a non sequitur sort of mood) < 1320100597 69836 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why does Chromium switch to a new tab when I control-click it? < 1320100603 902895 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that completely defeats half the point of control-clicking < 1320100615 887572 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control-click what? < 1320100638 831431 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, middle-click < 1320100639 248629 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: ? < 1320100643 237874 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Middle-click what? < 1320100645 287238 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a link < 1320100651 957517 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: WFM < 1320100658 827168 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're doing something wrong < 1320100659 176400 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use control-click rather than middle click normally as middle-clicking is awkward on a touchpad < 1320100665 554680 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: probably it's gmail's fault, then < 1320100668 55517 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I absolutely hate gmail < 1320100675 890714 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you middle-click, and everyone knows < 1320100677 261111 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that I've been forced to use it for work < 1320100689 266224 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the linked subject of an email message, to open the message < 1320100908 279956 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Be a master of efficiency. Combine the unread, important and starred inboxes. Power through what's important." < 1320100918 536864 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Google always like this? < 1320100941 451314 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they got their search lead in the first place by /not/ randomly annoying people < 1320101019 705367 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: Are you just going to complain about Gmail minutiae for hours? < 1320101050 371708 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1320101054 810916 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm /really annoyed/ at it < 1320101069 370842 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I know how Wooble feels constantly at the moment < 1320101077 330437 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, does anyone know how to modify a process' environment variables? < 1320101083 923018 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be sensible to /ignore me until tomorrow < 1320101095 166274 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't /ignore anyone. < 1320101095 342205 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: processes don't have environment variables as a constant thing < 1320101107 13646 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, they're passed environment variables as a (possibly hidden) argument to main < 1320101115 845669 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :via the execve syscall, which takes the environment as an argument < 1320101117 624493 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: yes they do: see putenv < 1320101122 790877 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc handles the illusion of a consistent environment < 1320101130 236745 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all putenv is doing is changing a variable inside the libc < 1320101138 70770 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OK, here's a different question: < 1320101139 179642 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which remembers the environment for if you call a wrapper like execl < 1320101150 755263 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know how to modify the libc's idea of environment variables of a process behind its back? < 1320101172 387749 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the variable is normally exposed as "environ", IIRC < 1320101178 190975 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's only from within the same process < 1320101189 800501 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit like asking "does anyone know how to modify main's idea of argv behind its back?" < 1320101201 842686 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1320101206 105279 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not expecting it to be clean < 1320101206 268618 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is also a valid and moderately sensible question, but I don't know the answer < 1320101221 876151 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd basically have to do the equivalent of attaching a debugger < 1320101235 113924 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so I'll have to either tweak or rewrite cunionfs at the very least... < 1320101240 144945 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since this isn't feasible < 1320101248 338214 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :new question: what per-process namespaces does linux offer? < 1320101253 504035 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(general use of the word namespace, not the linux meaning) < 1320101260 468280 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :environment variables are one < 1320101267 19236 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/proc is another, in a way < 1320101277 163138 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fds? < 1320101281 929334 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know if you can create files under /proc/ < 1320101286 866687 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: that other things can modify :) < 1320101299 669438 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to look at the docs for the clone(2) system call < 1320101300 422211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the usecase is: cunionfs reads the list of directories to union from an environment variable < 1320101311 570056 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they explain a lot about what can optionally be shared between processes < 1320101315 391077 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can start a process seeing a different union set by passing an environment variable < 1320101321 93116 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I want to modify the union /after/ a process starts < 1320101331 343180 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I need a mutable-from-outside per-process data store < 1320101357 538775 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ouch < 1320101373 817674 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :open unlinked fd, and writing to it via /proc, is probably the least insane method < 1320101377 611209 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it's somewhat insane < 1320101385 305165 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: that's more insane than just using files < 1320101395 356587 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. /run/magicunion/ < 1320101464 766496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: but files are kind of ugly, since they're not tied to the lifetime of the process, etc. :) < 1320101498 578815 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that also might be suboptimal because it forces a syscall per file access in the union < 1320101502 480740 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to read the union file < 1320101510 478975 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess that's inevitable if it's going to be mutable < 1320101523 788804 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the very least you'd need a syscall to figure out whether the union changed < 1320101536 509973 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's why unlinked file; that is tied to the lifetime of the process < 1320101561 718140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: it has to work with every process < 1320101574 232966 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: I can't force everybody to open an fd before calling exec() after fork()... < 1320101626 321616 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: I'm probably OK if I need to write a kernel module for this, if that'll allow me to create e.g. /proc//union < 1320101636 356159 :NihilistDandy!~ND@stu-145-155-171-184.champlain.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1320101654 497484 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you trying to do, in as in why do you want to do the why do you want to do this? < 1320101660 20906 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it sounds beautifully insane < 1320101663 498651 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: "in as in"? < 1320101669 661601 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*as in < 1320101675 109223 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and being willing to write a kernel module just to make it work makes it sound vaguely important < 1320101745 717112 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: well, I'm working on Kitten, and have a Nix-style purely functional directory-per-package store, which needs to be aggregated into a single file tree so that you only have to add one directory to your path rather than five hundred; Nix does this by statically generating a tree of symlinks < 1320101755 799709 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doing it as a unionfs seems cleaner to me < 1320101770 535483 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you e.g. install a package, then all your running processes have to be updated to see it in the tree < 1320101778 315551 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric := mutating the set of union branches < 1320101796 694435 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it'd make more sense for the fs to handle all that by itself? < 1320101801 785660 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what fs? < 1320101815 891123 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: anyway, I /explicitly/ want it to be per-process < 1320101818 533375 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a custom one based on unionfs < 1320101822 225646 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that lets me do cool things < 1320101822 445538 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that knows about processes < 1320101830 45229 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: cunionfs /does/ know about processes < 1320101833 327036 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cunionfs, not unionfs) < 1320101838 494675 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: but, like I said, does it through environment variables < 1320101839 674301 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1320101843 998244 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think I'm out of my depth, here < 1320101850 27746 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm asking, how should my unionfs read the union set so I canm utate it? < 1320101855 55489 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/nm /n m/ < 1320101873 877179 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what events would make the set change? < 1320101891 923087 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: installing a package, removing a package < 1320101907 806060 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: You are now graced with my absence. < 1320101908 689692 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'd change it for all executables provided by that package? < 1320101911 939579 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :installing a package has to add /.../sduf89sdfu98f98-firefox-348978947234 to the union < 1320101918 57342 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that /.../sduf89sdfu98f98-firefox-348978947234/bin becomes part of /union/path/bin < 1320101931 414617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :removing it has to remove it < 1320101933 292285 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1320101936 705199 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: no, it'd do it for all running executables < 1320101941 260502 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ran by the user < 1320101941 408307 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what bonuses do you get for this being per-process? < 1320101973 609354 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: [~/really-old-program]$ with 'gcc == 3.*' ./configure < 1320101990 740487 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1320102001 590112 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, hmm, /that/ setting won't change with package changes < 1320102014 872431 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: yes, I lied a bit: it'd mutate everything set to "defaults" < 1320102018 361515 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1320102025 451540 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I could have a specific "default" branch setting < 1320102027 972119 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it might be possible to have two layers, a system-wide one that can change during process lifetime, and a per-process one that's fixed throughout the whole lifetime? < 1320102033 279454 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that would cause the unionfs to look up what the current defaults are < 1320102046 991317 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there'd be no mutation necessary < 1320102061 113046 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: thanks, this might help :P < 1320102062 703749 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, my computer's so unresponsive when it's simultaneously running four O(n^3) CPU-bound algos < 1320102076 621387 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shocking. < 1320102095 692611 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: you might want to set the priorities of X, your WM and your panel to realtime < 1320102116 331768 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps, but I don't care that much < 1320102123 93460 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, this lets me know when the programs have finished < 1320102137 31781 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and using RT prios on programs not obviously designed for them's always a bit risky < 1320102180 545571 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Linux has been changed so that no longer hard-locks the entire system, right?) < 1320102207 495699 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: well, isochronous would be better than RT, but I doubt you're running BFS < 1320102529 689008 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh man, that GHC bug you found will actually affect some code I'm writing :-| < 1320102538 931341 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm upset. < 1320102555 376786 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have a trivial but bizarre workaround? < 1320102607 682769 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends what you mean by trivial. < 1320102615 76210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Phantom_Hoover: NEW HUMBLE BUNDLE < 1320102623 690538 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYBODY RUUUUUUUUUN < 1320102633 143878 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'LL ONLY BE AVAILABLE FOR THREE SECONDS < 1320102649 285269 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes. 3 seconds and 13 days < 1320102665 625109 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Voxatron is an arcade/adventure game set in an entirely destructible world made out of voxels (little cubes, kind of)." < 1320102667 91507 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, given that the 3rd was kind of crap, and the second has a game I wanted but couldn't play and another, admittedly good game, I'll pass. < 1320102667 163561 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's an alpha. < 1320102669 984455 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm looking at what the game is atm < 1320102671 173789 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS SOUNDS FAMILIAR.................... < 1320102689 469840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well, I just thought I ought to inform you < 1320102692 103283 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks cool actually. < 1320102696 371847 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait this loosk super cool. < 1320102699 36147 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this have multiplayer? < 1320102704 137640 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: If this has multiplayery ou have to get it. < 1320102719 854791 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, he has an intel cardboard box. < 1320102729 926617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Dude, it's a retro-styled voxel game. < 1320102733 654363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and yeah it sucks that the games didn't work for you < 1320102741 659778 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I can assure you most of them were awesome < 1320102773 825002 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK so this is just... one game. < 1320102776 433919 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm paying like a penny. < 1320102854 766646 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This, uh. < 1320102864 925763 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm going to pay like 0.1€ more than the current average. Just in case. < 1320102865 209865 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There's references to previews of this game from 300 days ago. < 1320102869 421631 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long alpha. < 1320102872 404638 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm < 1320102877 38063 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, reminds of some game < 1320102879 554184 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also you can increase what you're payingl ater. < 1320102884 151816 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/l a/ la/ < 1320102888 711033 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320102929 5441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't quite remember the name.... something-craft.... quarrycraft? < 1320102951 350607 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Voxatron is an arcade/adventure game set in an entirely destructible world made out of voxels (little cubes, kind of)." < 1320102951 646755 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : And it's an alpha. < 1320102951 914327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : THIS SOUNDS FAMILIAR.................... < 1320102952 800432 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this looks like a 3D editor to me: http://www.lexaloffle.com/gfx/ssvox6.png < 1320102955 431280 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beat you to it; also funnier. < 1320102962 166517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes right, but I meant the alpha thingy < 1320102964 121823 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :long alpha < 1320102965 869928 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's because that's what it is. < 1320102973 961223 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the map editor? < 1320102988 553572 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also object editor, it looks like. < 1320103006 311974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm curently limited due to small monitor, I'll bring this up on my desktop once I rebooted it. < 1320103084 938165 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1320103133 306223 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I wonder if I can separate things into two types of options to make the DSL route work... < 1320103225 924438 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting certainly < 1320103240 972763 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :will go for a small sum for the start < 1320103312 839233 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I like the "do whatever the verb of google plus is" in that video. What is the verb? < 1320103339 799321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonplus. < 1320103374 602340 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NPROCS=$(cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep processor | awk '{a++} END {print a}') \ < 1320103374 842457 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1320103452 161053 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make install -j$NPROCS ICK_SPECIFIC_SUBDIR=ick DESTDIR="$1" < 1320103457 208464 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: what does ICK_SPECIFIC_SUBDIR even do? < 1320103469 916657 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's a hook for Debian < 1320103487 16425 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't an answer :P < 1320103487 608475 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it names the directory of the global places that hold directories for all sorts of programs, that is specific to INTERCAL < 1320103502 65632 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what? < 1320103510 987433 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how you have /usr/lib/perl, etc? < 1320103513 851270 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the INTERCAL equivalent < 1320103522 377802 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1320103526 797355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it by default, then? < 1320103531 738802 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ick-$version < 1320103536 635888 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1320103538 738047 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian don't like versioned subdirs < 1320103540 987149 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, 64-bit deb, but just one .tar.gz, I wonder if it is 32-bit or 64-bit < 1320103541 66892 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I gave them a hook < 1320103546 498383 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :evidently I didn't either < 1320103550 336084 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because manually patching the makefile is annoying < 1320103561 494028 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it feels dirty in a way < 1320103581 33442 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that is 32-bit < 1320103704 726287 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1320103741 302224 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, aiee the resolution options of this game sucks < 1320103752 648168 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can do native + 800x600 + some weird even smaller ones < 1320103763 167360 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is either full screen or tiny window for me < 1320103792 381638 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: just run it in gdb :P < 1320103801 71857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this is the list of resolutions: 1680x1050, 840x525 (wtf?), 800x600, 800x480 < 1320103807 277419 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :800x480? What? < 1320103815 378620 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's a small widescreen res < 1320103820 468053 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1320103849 872027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1320103912 753891 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: maybe it just upscales beyond that to keep the retro aesthetics < 1320103916 389036 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use compiz zoom :p < 1320103924 619081 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Life expectancy now is a function of whether you go berserk or not. < 1320103926 939313 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :704) Life expectancy now is a function of whether you go berserk or not. < 1320104077 455635 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, their live chat works okay < 1320104182 694741 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: how crazy does this sound: constantly run a daemon that uses inotify to incrementally backup every change to every file (reverse binary diff snapshotting, etc.) < 1320104212 604117 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, every file apart from /run and /tmp and the like :) < 1320104224 570300 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: better to make it an OS feature rather than trying to userland it, I think < 1320104248 61735 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: I can implement this faster than I can implement @ < 1320104270 766869 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1320104278 116502 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Kitten practice for @? < 1320104307 376916 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: no, Kitten's so I don't give up on computers and become an anarcho-primitivist before @ comes out < 1320104323 981489 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1320104330 542698 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are too much a perfectionist :) < 1320104340 123558 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, everything else is just that broken :) < 1320104347 37057 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: syn < 1320104367 824414 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: anyway, a perfectionist would never create a linux distro... < 1320104393 362170 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think nilfs actually does what I want < 1320104398 992921 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: mind reading something? < 1320104401 524197 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NILFS creates a number of checkpoints every few seconds or per synchronous write basis (unless there is no change). Users can select significant versions among continuously created checkpoints, and can change them into snapshots which will be preserved until they are changed back to checkpoints." < 1320104411 826291 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can mount snapshots < 1320104413 404250 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: go on < 1320104421 116028 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wellnowwhat.net/linguistics/Draft2.pdf up to but not including section 3 < 1320104428 971960 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prose might be choppy < 1320104444 156724 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is going to be boring isn't it :'( < 1320104476 657820 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Most dogs love Alpo, and most cats love Whiskas" < 1320104478 946133 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: [citation needed] < 1320104502 342178 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :use/mention < 1320104578 376926 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you wanted to statically type a Forth-like language, what would be the type of a word with multiple possible stack effects? Say, something that turns an "End"-delimited series of values into a list. < 1320104613 535944 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's not the best example, because you could call it A End B -> A [B] or whatever. < 1320104642 488086 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see cat, factor < 1320104645 188239 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly cat < 1320104655 580862 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :words with dynamic stack effects are simply not allwoed < 1320104663 859327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do some kind of ad-hoc overloading a la typeclasses, but that's not the same thing < 1320104668 450630 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that's static < 1320104690 791486 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For those readers who are unfamiliar with American pet products, Alpo < 1320104690 957902 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Whiskas are brands of dog food and cat food, respectively." < 1320104693 990445 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: whiskas is uk too at least < 1320104696 900330 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno about alpo < 1320104702 486759 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i know both are in finland as well < 1320104710 173865 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: anyway has nobody really investigated this before < 1320104710 530808 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ive had some people complain they didnt know wtf i was talking about < 1320104712 267243 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be like < 1320104717 92489 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :item one on my why is language so fucked up project < 1320104722 960241 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1320104728 735916 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe five people have, but the explanations are shit < 1320104756 723261 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: your field is fucked >:( < 1320104771 838420 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: theres lots of other stuff that people are concerned with < 1320104774 459644 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Thanks...that's generally what I was thinking, but it seems a rather arbitrary limitation. :/ < 1320104786 121883 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of current research, for instance, is interested in quantificational properties < 1320104797 360639 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1320104806 512490 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: some kind of thing restricting how values can be combined to eliminate a large class of bad programs while rejecting some good ones by necessity... < 1320104808 138100 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost like < 1320104809 541906 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of < 1320104811 61368 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :type system < 1320104814 279199 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like a failing of the type system though. < 1320104824 980770 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That you can't denote the type of an arbitrary stack effect. < 1320104839 886186 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then you'd end up with dependent typing for no reason? < 1320104841 672324 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess? < 1320104848 270195 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: these diagrams are so boring < 1320104857 76140 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the trees? i know. < 1320104864 27699 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all the same! < 1320104865 989392 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just write them inline < 1320104872 457944 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trees? < 1320104885 144294 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1320104886 143549 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er.. there is notation for that, but it's not as easy to read < 1320104888 24751 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: "In view of the fourt property," typo < 1320104894 133765 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ive fixed that locally < 1320104904 764817 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In (41) and (??)," ?? isn't a number hth < 1320104934 399587 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the finnish examples have yet to be added < 1320104944 948317 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so \ref{} is pointing to nothing < 1320104955 193449 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not complete, that part < 1320105002 130304 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i know :P < 1320105009 148926 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you actually cite random people on irc for this < 1320105010 495996 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1320105011 510772 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd just lie < 1320105052 703857 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never cite your informants < 1320105077 110617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow so i can just write a paper full of shit < 1320105077 944806 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1320105109 270883 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He will eat a hamburger and her a hotdog" < 1320105113 5133 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: maybe it just upscales beyond that to keep the retro aesthetics <-- no it doesn't < 1320105114 489021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i can confirm this is 101% idiomatic < 1320105132 29217 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry? < 1320105136 877680 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :102%. < 1320105147 556812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway you can do it manually: ~/.lexaloffle/Voxatron/config.txt < 1320105147 628669 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure what you mean by "101% idiomatic" < 1320105149 877808 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets more idiomatic the more i look at it. trust me. native english speaker. you wouldn't understand. < 1320105154 465525 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you mean colloquial? < 1320105154 814784 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, editing that by hand works < 1320105162 59030 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: no I mean it is totally correct. < 1320105166 975766 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am the most serious linguist < 1320105186 673720 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiomatic does not mean correct :| < 1320105189 430370 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's true, actually. "Her" basically stands for "as for her". :P < 1320105191 774384 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1320105197 23648 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's < 1320105204 138245 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiomatic means that the meaning isn't obviously connected to the words < 1320105204 473099 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not < 1320105206 992583 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "kick the bucket" < 1320105210 228338 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not true evincar i was bullshitting < 1320105223 969566 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was aware you were bullshitting and was contradicting you. < 1320105231 687130 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: also, "her" definitely doesnt stand for "as for her" there < 1320105236 414750 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He will eat a hamburger and she a hotdog" = makes sense < 1320105238 974356 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He will eat a hamburger and her a hotdog" = doesn't < 1320105245 957435 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you weren't actually bullshitting and just pretending not to be bullshitting. < 1320105258 383288 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: makes sense in what way < 1320105261 448955 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the former looks kinda wrong too ~SEMANTIC SATIATION~ < 1320105267 464014 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: well i parse it about ten times easier :P < 1320105272 480012 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the former meant to be the correct one < 1320105273 902214 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've lost track < 1320105275 169114 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If most native speakers can correctly infer the meaning of a phrase, it's correct as far as I'm concerned. < 1320105276 304103 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck language < 1320105281 66132 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: ask a native lojban speaker next < 1320105283 730300 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "meant to be" no < 1320105286 393812 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1320105297 723401 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :subject case in english is a mess < 1320105301 110537 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its extremely variable < 1320105302 976412 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: meant to be as in < 1320105304 91021 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Case inflection is so five centuries ago. < 1320105306 859064 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the context of the paper < 1320105308 237396 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are people who insist that it must be "she" < 1320105313 919749 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Six or seven, really. < 1320105315 330802 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats irrelevant < 1320105324 435666 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter is definitely super hard tor ead < 1320105325 380612 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the paper, no, neither is "more correct" < 1320105325 751507 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to read < 1320105343 18670 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i'm not going prescriptivist on you I just assumed everyone would find the latter one wrong :P < 1320105355 258392 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, no, everyone i talk to prefers the latter one < 1320105361 980225 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1320105365 404476 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they both look wrong to me < 1320105365 919639 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats just case shit < 1320105368 646491 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess i'm just ruined < 1320105384 90690 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I celebrate my minor victory by mounting my platypus. < 1320105384 488734 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah its plausible that pronominals would be harder to get < 1320105396 930990 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you might also want some discourse context to ameliorate it < 1320105410 505897 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: wow i want to punch you for that sentence < 1320105417 565938 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why :( < 1320105419 774577 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing personal < 1320105531 353806 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure all punches, however hypothetical, are personal. :P < 1320105566 74183 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well you can try. you might hurt yourself tho D: < 1320105572 389683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric