is a MediaWiki tag that's equivalent to HTML 
 plus a partial 
< 1318707683 39448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how do you do that and also change attributes
< 1318707685 179891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the pre
< 1318707688 306292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't
< 1318707691 781077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said MediaWiki made sense
< 1318707693 167711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I hate MediaWiki
< 1318707694 172619 :ive!~nn@189.179.247.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1318707698 384206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, it looks nice in IE
< 1318707714 255691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: leading spaces followed by {{ do _not_ produce a pre.
< 1318707738 524512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can use a different block element and give it styling that makes it equivalent to a pre
< 1318707744 313442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since any /// program not containing <code>/</code> or <code>\</code> is trivially a quine, here is one containing ''only'' <code>/</code> and <code>\</code>.
< 1318707744 460580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  {{div|_=style="word-wrap: break-word"|text=/\/\/\/\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//\/\/\/\\\/\/\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\//
< 1318707744 460817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\////\\////\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\////\\////\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\////\\////\\\//
< 1318707747 445113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\////\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\//
< 1318707752 726644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\////\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\//\/\/\/\\\/\\\/\\////\//\//\/\/\/\\\\/\\//\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\/\\\\////\//\//\/\/\/\\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\\\\\\\\////\/\/\}}
< 1318707752 890455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :style="white-space:preserve", IIRC
< 1318707755 634208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MEDIAWIKI
< 1318707757 606314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY WOULD YOU PRODUCE THAT MARKUP
< 1318707759 744308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU MAKE NO SENSE
< 1318707763 912868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep, but you can't put that in common.css :P
< 1318707772 795077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION continues trying to make this work

< 1318707797 189765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, I'm on the latest firefox, too
< 1318707835 49248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads mozilla docs

< 1318707900 820423 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put a zero-width space between each character, then they all are potential wrapping-points. Elegant! (Assuming the problem is that "it's only one word" thing. I can't really be bothered to read full context.)
< 1318707916 707673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, I think I've fixed it
< 1318707921 639539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that breaks copying :P
< 1318707968 267749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok can you force reload that page
< 1318707977 530422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait
< 1318707985 140902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/w/index.php?title=Slashes&oldid=24876#Quine
< 1318707986 329359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that work?
< 1318708132 848985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, although the right margin of the box is strangely larger than usual
< 1318708160 587228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: How much larger?
< 1318708225 474316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 2.5 times the left margin, i think
< 1318708258 181273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Does it matter?
< 1318708260 196631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody uses IE.
< 1318708261 959372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1318708267 599970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY
< 1318708268 934950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also it's just balancing out since I removed the : before it.
< 1318708273 347219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So you're happy with this?
< 1318708320 884482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not so bad, and it still copies as one line
< 1318708341 970436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It could be fixed with an IE-specific stylesheet, most likely.
< 1318708342 994799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw there's another copy on the Quine page :P
< 1318708347 152490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But eh.
< 1318708357 523696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: And yeah, yeah, but I'm about to fix 'em all:
< 1318708359 732865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Can you add "pre { word-wrap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap }" to common.css, please?
< 1318708380 310227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch, that's a really major change
< 1318708385 742376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No it's not.
< 1318708394 727112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, because the whole point of pre is that it doesn't break lines
< 1318708396 51642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It just wraps overly-long lines visually (in Chrome, IE, Firefox).
< 1318708403 517359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the whole point of pre is that it preserves whitespace.
< 1318708405 706478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, copying works the same way.
< 1318708410 57141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, exactly, and that can completely change the meaning of programs
< 1318708420 760529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It does not do any hard breaking.
< 1318708442 864565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Anyway, the alternative is a horizontal scrollbar on the pre element, which has far more problems.
< 1318708445 507797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still does visual breaking, though, which makes programs much harder to read
< 1318708456 319552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about just a horizontal scrollbar on the page? a pre doesn't widen the page to its own width
< 1318708462 498228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'd just be useful for scrolling pres
< 1318708468 806645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That breaks the design; see [[MediaWiki talk:Common.css]].
< 1318708477 27541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Nothing is harder to read than a horizontal scrollbar; that's why oerjan explicitly did hacks to make it wrap for his Slashes quine.
< 1318708486 104202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that Slashes /does/ change behaviour on newlines.
< 1318708555 825211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see perhaps wrapping individual programs visually, if people can guess that the line breaks aren't actual newlines
< 1318708626 489169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I've already made changes to add horizontal scrollbars to two examples, and now one to do this new method to Slashes; if you won't add it, I'll just have to keep adding it to the examples I come across /shrug
< 1318708643 976884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I really very much doubt anyone is confused by wrapping; every programmer's editor I know of defaults to it.
< 1318708674 819517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Emacs notifies about it in the margin, but vi and vim don't.)
< 1318708687 533974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Nor does Notepad with word-wrapping on (admittedly not the default, but I don't know of anyone who uses it for programming and doesn't turn it on.))
< 1318708694 552409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\.))/).)/
< 1318708707 607768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kate goes and puts eight characters of hatching at the start of an overwrapped line
< 1318708725 749426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gedit also wraps silently by default.
< 1318708731 968667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually find vim's behaviour pretty confusing there
< 1318708744 911623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I change gedit's behaviour there quite a lot, /because/ it's so misleading
< 1318708750 866491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's obvious _you_ find it confusing.
< 1318708761 971718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly most other programmers don't.
< 1318708774 694071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I often turn wrapping off for the buffer in Emacs in order to make lines line up correctly
< 1318708785 682713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: think of it this way: suppose someone writes a Funge-98 program that's wider than the page
< 1318708791 641783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would wrapping that make any sense at all?
< 1318708800 188496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a horizontal scrollbar would be /significantly/ better than wrapping
< 1318708813 346956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It can be overriden on a per-pre basis.
< 1318708828 59104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrapping makes far, far more sense as a default; see: all the changes I've made so far.
< 1318708859 36951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want it to wrap, then why use 
 rather than ? preservation of horizontal whitespace?
< 1318708874 51963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw User:Nthern/Archive is one page which contains code which is both wide enough to give a scrollbar if that's the default, and tall enough to make it awful to use
< 1318708885 926856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523:  looks totally different to 
, and doesn't preserve newlines, duplicated whitespace, doesn't turn off wiki markup, blah blah blah.
< 1318708900 340322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: turns off wiki markup
< 1318708911 743035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we really need a separate tag for "preserve horizontal whitespace"
< 1318708935 764819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: So? It has all the other disadvantages listed.
< 1318708941 184952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also looks really bad multi-line.
< 1318708948 430217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you even meant to make a  multiline? It's an inline element by default.
< 1318708969 122170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you're suggesting making 
 act like not a 
< 1318708976 249759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, whatever; you're within rights to annoy everyone else on the wiki because of a personal dislike of the saner behaviour.
< 1318709010 487708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1318709048 99886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :....................
< 1318709083 530692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm within my rights to not arbitrarily change the meaning of a well known HTML and wiki tag?
< 1318709107 297404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Note the part where I dropped it because you're being unreasonable and it was rapidly heading towards a flamewar.
< 1318709125 223733 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough; the attempt to drop it looked rather like egging on instead, anwyay
< 1318709128 705118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*anyway
< 1318709170 115872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, this is egging on: When are you going to make 
s show tabs as eight spaces?
< 1318709180 723193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do already, don't they?
< 1318709182 200190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tests

< 1318709202 177012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Nope.
< 1318709206 812340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Four spaces in every browser since forever.
< 1318709213 112878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2373#comic
< 1318709231 589796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was _far_ longer ago than i thought)
< 1318709259 707932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Firefox renders it as eight in the edit box, which makes sense
< 1318709264 593530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and eight on the page too
< 1318709275 752865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's certainly not what older Firefoxes did
< 1318709281 401071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Esolang:Sandbox
< 1318709286 762803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do those lines line up in your browser?
< 1318709292 363288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm using an old Firefox (3.6.something)
< 1318709298 948913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not old
< 1318709308 306334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's four versions out of date!
< 1318709309 19347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it's a Linux thing; certainly they've never done that on Windows or OS X
< 1318709351 694656 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh
< 1318709359 868898 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox needs to stop going lightspeed with version numbering
< 1318709420 523933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to infinity and beyond!
< 1318709426 781287 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux 3.0 after how many years?
< 1318709428 756728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, *aleph-null
< 1318709466 497657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I threatened to just double AceHack's version number with every release
< 1318709577 650762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just tested Chromium and Epiphany on Linux; both have tab=8
< 1318709583 344454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I bet it's a Linux thing; certainly they've never done that on Windows or OS X
< 1318709609 215285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tests IE6

< 1318709657 707766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, line up in IE6 too
< 1318709666 788081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, in Firefox 10 for Mac (I just asked a friend to test that)
< 1318709688 687651 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sooner or later firefox is going to start skipping every other major version number
< 1318709698 1562 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wha-
< 1318709698 747750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: admittedly I was running IE6 on Linux, but I doubt it special-cases it
< 1318709712 262414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things that are totally not completely boring at this point: Firefox versioning rants
< 1318709712 751654 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie6 on linux? .-.
< 1318709716 372528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Above sentence comes from "book of lies".
< 1318709732 769796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: well, I have to do cross-browser testing /somehow/
< 1318709741 171251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Wine's quite good nowadays, right? no reason you can't run IE6 in it
< 1318709752 267694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I guess there was some movement to change it for some reason or another, but I am completely certain that a few years ago on a Mac tabs renderd as four spaces in browsers
< 1318709759 270388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, it crashed twice during startup, but still managed to load somehow
< 1318709773 460921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's also the default of a twenty year old editor, for what that's worth)
< 1318709780 477490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one?
< 1318709815 455064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBEdit
< 1318709838 568685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you're going to counter this with "people have been living a lie for a very long time" so don't bother.
< 1318709839 774814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lines up in IE 8 fwiw
< 1318709928 284713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nah, I'm just going to take it as a data poitn
< 1318709929 763299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*point
< 1318709950 822326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: actually, I think tabs-as-four-spaces might be a /Mac OS/ default in general (it certainly is an OS X default)
< 1318709958 226077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so it might be twenty-five years old
< 1318709962 669539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1318709964 156944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thirty-five
< 1318709981 783760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm
< 1318709982 440782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'twouldn't be the first time Mac OS were nonstandard
< 1318709983 265226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :twenty-seven
< 1318709995 490941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can completely believe that it was using a different tab size to the rest of the universe
< 1318709999 765510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was using a different newline too
< 1318710002 932859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how can it be standard, when I'm sure terminal control for tabs was available back then?
< 1318710008 540200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it predates Windows
< 1318710008 708888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a lot more important for interoperability
< 1318710021 896220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it predates desktop computers by being the first; there's not really much "standard" to compare to
< 1318710023 375702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's a standard default; tab size has been customizable since typewriters
< 1318710038 265524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because their intended purpose is for writing tables efficiently
< 1318710041 58678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: people have been wrong for a very, very long time, then
< 1318710044 565309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for which, you need tab stops
< 1318710064 869759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for another data point, QBasic defaults to tab=14, as do many other basic impls, I think
< 1318710073 374370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that the columns are actually wide enough to fit data in
< 1318710080 527886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the use of tabs for indentation is rather more recent
< 1318710097 797445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: umm, what?
< 1318710103 933176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: tabs for indentation dates back to at /least/ the original Unix sources
< 1318710123 117977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: typewriters are older than UNIX, aren't they?
< 1318710132 889335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you said that after talking about QBasic
< 1318710160 336704 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tabs for indentation in UNIX is courtesy of the first UNIX display being a teletypewriter.
< 1318710279 237303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm sure it dates back to at least Multics
< 1318710280 754152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably further
< 1318710394 165969 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's an artifact of typewriter design, though.
< 1318710428 440751 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, of course it dates back further.
< 1318710444 769325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a more reasonable artifact than deciding to hammer the space key a lot, and then going "ooh, we should build this into the editor".
< 1318710457 602509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But yes, people wrote code on typewriters a lot, didn't they?
< 1318710469 146669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a norwegian, i am disappointed by the lack of whales in http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2393#comic
< 1318710490 960849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I mean, what else would you write Fortran on in 1957? Surely people didn't publish punchcards when they shared code. Although admittedly probably they didn't share code much.
< 1318710511 360397 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite true.
< 1318710549 454639 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Additionally, until the invention of the glass teletype, any interactive input to a computer was going to be with a typewriter.
< 1318710549 875185 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, a pneumatic-tube-based punchcard-github.
< 1318710575 868967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pneumatic tubes are so cool.
< 1318710586 924334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My first exposure to them was Grim Fandango, which is odd in retrospect.)
< 1318710595 697711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what was the original application for teletypewriters, before they were used as computer terminals?
< 1318710596 57592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The exposure, I mean. Not the game. That was odd at the time too.)
< 1318710603 672059 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't you study them at school or something
< 1318710604 692455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of substitute for telegrams?
< 1318710608 821716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: communication
< 1318710620 529886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/WACsOperateTeletype.jpg
< 1318710622 900427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd type at one end and it'd print at the other end?
< 1318710626 372430 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1318710628 270235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :typos would be a little hard to  notice
< 1318710631 453910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: I played Grim Fandango at a rather early age.
< 1318710636 71069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm sure it printed locally too.
< 1318710674 832810 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it wasn't a substitute for telegrams, it was telegrams. :)
< 1318710683 789581 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There used to be a tube-driven cigarette sales system in our supermarket (and many others) -- you punch a button on a big table to indicate the brand, and after a moment a box pops out on the grocery-conveyor-belt. But it's been "temporarily broken" more often than not lately, and I have a feeling they're trying to give it up.
< 1318710703 979348 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318710705 460948 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, you actually *did* study pneumatics at school?
< 1318710716 447201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't EVERYONE???
< 1318710731 488004 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Phantom_Hoover
< 1318710758 249525 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you mentioned it as being an available choice or something.
< 1318710833 569730 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and a friend once told a story about a hospital, where the blood bags were delivered using a series of tubes, and they had a habit of breaking. That's... quite an awkwardly cleanable mess.
< 1318710845 321001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ah, it was how telegrams were implemented? I assumed they were morse code, for some reason
< 1318710889 369176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: A telegraph message sent by an electrical telegraph operator or telegrapher using Morse code (or a printing telegraph operator using plain text) was known as a telegram. A cablegram (see cablegram) was a message sent by a submarine telegraph cable,[1] often shortened to a cable or a wire. Later, a Telex was a message sent by a Telex network, a switched network of teleprinters similar to a telephone network.
< 1318710896 231593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :teleprinters being ttys
< 1318710910 802319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1318710919 292494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the word "tty" isn't used with its original meaning any more
< 1318710921 606206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hasn't been for decades
< 1318710922 881608 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: A telegram is pretty much any form of remote signalling, especially ones sending directly over the wire like a Morse keyer would.
< 1318710943 194820 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A teletypewriter messaging scheme could be used for telegrams, as could More code.
< 1318710957 918625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think telegrams still theoretically exist, although I forget who's responsible for delivering them
< 1318710962 79477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it's the post service
< 1318710973 398844 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't the Telex network also still theoretically exist?
< 1318711014 49262 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barely.
< 1318711016 599134 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Telex is still in operation, but has been mostly superseded by fax, email, and SWIFT, although radiotelex (telex via HF radio) is still used in the maritime industry and is a required element of the GMDSS" -- apparently, if you can trust Wikipedia. And if you can't trust Wikipedia, what *can* you trust?
< 1318711031 65931 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except W|A, of course.)
< 1318711511 4338 :ive!~nn@189.179.247.113 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318711516 678307 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is the sunrise/sunset displayed in Astrolog a few minutes off from the official sunrise/sunset? Solar noon appears to be correct, though.
< 1318711730 459209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you live right in the middle of your timezone?
< 1318711735 235196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't you already asked that?
< 1318711737 10587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at the exact same latitude?
< 1318711822 96506 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318711900 161837 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have computed solar noon using different programs, and at least at 0N 0E the times of solar noon appear to correspond with the start of the tenth house in some systems (including Equal (MC)) and with the times displayed on the rising/setting charts. But rise/set mismatch; if I set the ayanamsa to -3.6 it works but the ayanamsa has nothing to do with sunrise/sunset, so why does it do that?
< 1318711926 857160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: could it be difference between center and edge of sun?
< 1318711997 649433 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, maybe. I know there are different sunrise/sunset values, such as official, nautical, civil; but the ones shown by default in the rising/setting chart in Astrolog match none of those.
< 1318712034 492089 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, Swiss Ephemeris is probably better; I read its documentation and it can calculate rise/set with nautical twilight, and civil twilight, and so on.
< 1318712067 438615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why do you want to use Astrolog, anyway?
< 1318712070 401294 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should make the program that uses Swiss Ephemeris; unlike Astrolog, it is compatible with GNU GPL so it is properly Free software/open source software.
< 1318712093 445909 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could probably even include better search functions.
< 1318712215 968450 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And as far as I can tell, Astrolog has no option to set the zoom level for the solar system view.
< 1318712851 972096 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-33-19.resnet.ucsb.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318713163 170731 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other features I would like to have (and might implement) are:
< 1318713214 47950 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Order of a pair of objects with an aspect is relevant (except Conjunct and Opposite).
< 1318713250 378668 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Set the zero point of the zodiac such that a specific object is fixed at zero.
< 1318713287 527279 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Ability to automatically plot things with exposure, instead of stepping manually.
< 1318713324 695363 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Search function for aspects and other things.
< 1318713366 759591 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* In transit search, specify number of divisions of the circle; and use any display of angles (zodiac names, hours/minutes, or degrees)
< 1318713409 224740 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Use of other calendar systems.
< 1318713463 49760 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Ability to set orb values based on diameters of objects.
< 1318713505 715875 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Barycentric and astrometic modes.
< 1318713524 46391 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Ability to use true positions or apparent positions.
< 1318713588 418027 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Can switch on/off precession, nutation, gravitational deflection, aberration of light, etc.
< 1318713608 14618 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Can use radians for angular measurement.
< 1318713661 766287 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah, so a digon is like an eyelid. :D
< 1318713671 316733 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Four-house system: rise, solar noon, set, and midnight.
< 1318713675 129814 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a big eyelid on a spherical eye alien.
< 1318713710 463278 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Ability to plot any set of variables on a calendar, graph, or text chart.
< 1318713730 394587 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Ability to display the IAU zodiac.
< 1318713751 446480 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no, it's the eyelid, but the surface of the eye itself.
< 1318713755 849409 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not the eyelid
< 1318713759 637327 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, how did bigons become a topic of discussion.
< 1318713827 278337 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked about it earlier.
< 1318713833 111019 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :replying to something fizzie said.
< 1318713923 321777 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right
< 1318713941 530867 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Ability to toggle any of the outer rings on the horoscope (Astrolog has three and you cannot change them).
< 1318714026 142710 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this good enough? However, there are some features I intend to purposely omit, such as the interpretation mode of Astrolog.
< 1318714086 913308 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphere#Eleven_properties_of_the_sphere
< 1318714094 11506 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read this as "Elven properties of the sphere"
< 1318714101 225658 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1318714102 56619 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bloody elves.
< 1318714271 906011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the elven harmony of the spheres
< 1318714307 484860 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great cuicuboctahedron
< 1318714316 869052 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good polyhedron or best polyhedron?
< 1318714327 123041 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*great *greatest
< 1318714337 946252 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cubicuboctahedron
< 1318714340 569159 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the cuboctahedron is.
< 1318714380 660394 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :booooring.
< 1318714387 605655 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great Cubicuboctahedron in the Sky, we beseech you.
< 1318714406 348590 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, cuboctahedrons are the best.
< 1318714471 447802 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noncovex great rhombicuboctahedron is pretty cool guy too.
< 1318714486 377060 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there is a rhombicubicuboctahedron?
< 1318714490 198813 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that... probably doesn't make sense.
< 1318714533 624884 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318714537 417692 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a rhombiChewbaccahedron?
< 1318714558 877646 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good day!
< 1318714623 154686 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone active?
< 1318714645 84932 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I live a very sedentary lifestyle.
< 1318714663 646370 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am in fact an IRC zombie.
< 1318714686 974156 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too
< 1318714706 720058 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy has decayed more.
< 1318714731 188561 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh OK then
< 1318714775 308246 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really just wanted to ask whether anyone has seen my esolang, Ziim, which I posted yesterday, and what the first impression was
< 1318714887 19854 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of arrows
< 1318714905 462169 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the idea :-p
< 1318714962 174194 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: I can see that there a lot of points to point out.
< 1318715014 308777 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a 2D dataflow language of osrts.
< 1318715017 139915 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sorts
< 1318715029 776630 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1318715034 890551 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that goes left to right, it seems.
< 1318715049 370061 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Left to right? It goes all over the place :)
< 1318715060 257825 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if you reverse the direction of the arrows they can have different meanings.
< 1318715060 404405 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I conjecture that it’s harder to program in than Malbolge
< 1318715072 489694 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reverse yes, rotate no
< 1318715086 649345 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... didn't mention rotation.
< 1318715094 927740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Malbolge isn't that hard to code in. OK so it is.
< 1318715098 568476 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but you mentioned left to right :)
< 1318715125 266608 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate that Malbolge is constantly mentioned as an example of a hard-to-program-in language. There are loads on the wiki that are harder than Malbolge :)
< 1318715126 581995 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right there's an inherent meaning to left and right. specifically in label vs. concat
< 1318715127 785135 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a 45 degrees rotation
< 1318715165 839806 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I know, I know, you can’t just rotate a whole program 45° :)
< 1318715178 324284 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi, no, you misunderstand.
< 1318715188 167442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: Pah, only if you're restrained to textual file formats.
< 1318715195 503408 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy comes from a dimension where the quantum of angular motion is 90°.
< 1318715199 781109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION takes a screenshot of program, prints it out, puts on wooden table, photographs, rotates photograph.

< 1318715221 577133 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@130.232.208.126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any programming lang with rotations and rotation-resistant elements?
< 1318715225 749574 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: don't forget to scan it and then use an image to text translator program.
< 1318715227 759390 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No image editing program available, eh? :)
< 1318715230 27811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, Zwaarddijk spoke.
< 1318715239 319600 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@130.232.208.126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :been busy recently
< 1318715245 719096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: It was an old TDWTF reference. I probably messed it up though.
< 1318715252 566317 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: Yes, Ziim and Funciton (mine :-p)
< 1318715256 848145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: Well, lots of CAs are rotation-invariant.
< 1318715268 473094 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yeah, CAs, forgot about those
< 1318715273 79722 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@130.232.208.126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAs?
< 1318715273 569137 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: or is the label vs concat distinction a before and after one rather than whether the arrows are pointing left or right?
< 1318715276 891015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: Cellular automata.
< 1318715279 851420 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@130.232.208.126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, k
< 1318715281 571635 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@130.232.208.126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1318715284 69967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The "s" is silent and invisible.)
< 1318715287 690125 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi, what was that language called?
< 1318715289 99441 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Aura?"
< 1318715289 859601 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: It’s determined by the relative angles
< 1318715291 435698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would seem that a square greed of arrows doesn't really support an invertible 45 degree symmetry operation
< 1318715295 279552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*grid
< 1318715300 968914 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .
< 1318715308 997179 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the s killed the on and all that's left is a mangled heap of a
< 1318715314 749504 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip on
< 1318715315 111 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Correct... unfortunately
< 1318715315 571739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although if you just increase the spacing a bit, it should work
< 1318715317 221489 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_;
< 1318715354 850526 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know how to apply for adminship on the wiki?
< 1318715372 893104 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would really like to add some CSS rules and make some articles (especially tables) more readable
< 1318715387 604744 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s really annoying to have to add them to every single table cell...
< 1318715449 910091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: backflip has two different kind of elements that might be thought of as rotating, also you can make a combined structure which acts as a rotation-resistant mirror
< 1318715492 99587 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@130.232.208.126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I as more thinking like coding with two layers
< 1318715497 329152 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@130.232.208.126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one which rotates, and one which stays put
< 1318715517 127336 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is anyone of you an admin on the wiki and could add some CSS rules for me perhaps?
< 1318715533 565931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: ais523 is
< 1318715538 827448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he's away right now though
< 1318715564 465781 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@130.232.208.126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and these are indistinguishable by the 'head' that reads the code - but the thing that rotates parts of the code does distinguish them
< 1318715584 588435 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, only 7 admins
< 1318715594 705445 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if esowiki was converted to a hackiki :)
< 1318715605 794947 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :less spambots
< 1318715617 162818 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :more awesome.
< 1318715624 71973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: There's more admins than there are active editors. :p
< 1318715629 8915 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I do like the mediawiki look and feel.
< 1318715629 828999 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but spambots are good
< 1318715631 967801 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, a poll was held, popular opinion was in favour, and precisely nothing happened.
< 1318715637 915002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No it wasn't.
< 1318715647 201353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Popular opinion was in favour of Gregor making an adjacent Hackiki so we could all ignore it.
< 1318715648 209378 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn’t planning on changing the MediaWiki look and feel
< 1318715658 749377 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: right this is unrelated.
< 1318715660 559902 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to that.
< 1318715673 379323 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right
< 1318715678 994593 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I brought up hackiki because I believe it would allow you to do precisely what you want to do without an admin.
< 1318715687 845232 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(...?)
< 1318715703 131691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think any sane Hackiki configuration would allow you embed site-wide arbitrary CSS.
< 1318715707 954896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a big ol' security hole.
< 1318715708 328837 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not having restrictions on users would also allow me to do it :-p
< 1318715722 293802 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well wouldn't it be local to a page though?
< 1318715732 958015 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*couldn't
< 1318715738 948849 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if I could edit MediaWiki:Common.css
< 1318715741 184760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: It'd also let you create massive security holes
< 1318715768 655750 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree that it gives users the ability to make drastic changes to the entire site, which would be problematic
< 1318715792 336585 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to see a spambot replace the entirety of mediawiki:common.css with compliments
< 1318715794 755585 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But honestly, thinking that “let’s completely lock them out” is the only alternative solution is really dumb
< 1318715812 36609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't lock them out, it lets sysops edit them :p
< 1318715819 494088 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That’s what I’m saying
< 1318715822 880292 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It locks everyone else out. Completely
< 1318715852 625491 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well anyway
< 1318715855 383654 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how completely is completely
< 1318715859 762417 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how do I best contact someone about adminship?
< 1318715870 372010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Email Graue
< 1318715870 868170 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are ways to pester people who can edit the page to make the edits you want
< 1318715873 766056 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: addr?
< 1318715883 720674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: graue@oceanbase.org; didn't you already do that, though?
< 1318715904 290625 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I did, but there’s nothing in my Sent folder, and I had no address of him in my address book, so I guess not
< 1318716124 363067 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318716135 740115 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not agree to convert esolang wiki to Hackiki; I do agree to make up a seperate esolang wiki which is Hackiki, so that you have both. And allow the Hackiki programs to have read access to the Mediawiki installation.
< 1318716185 658590 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :With Hackiki, any user can add skins, add-ins, new commands, and more.
< 1318716199 664691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Hackiki /does/ allow people to create skins?
< 1318716303 704906 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can’t we just be more liberal in giving adminship :( I mean it’s not like everyone’s going to jump in and kill everything
< 1318716327 367487 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I’m sounding pushy :p I’m just frustrated with this
< 1318716372 453156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: Well, only one person has the authority to do it in the first place, software-wise.
< 1318716420 259599 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know...
< 1318716430 920966 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m amazed more people aren’t frustrated about it as I am
< 1318716433 189448 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially on Wikipedia
< 1318716461 661638 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Join RationalWiki— wait, I think they changed that because it turns out that doing that is stupid.
< 1318716509 733337 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing what? I haven’t even suggested anything specific :)
< 1318716527 601062 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say templates are the best way to go if you're tired of entering repetitive style info.
< 1318716557 955326 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t see how that can help styling tables. You’d still need to add the template for every cell.
< 1318716578 445572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: My point was, if you want more liberalisation of the adminshipness, there's only one person to go to about it.
< 1318716587 81438 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, I know
< 1318716590 392774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks we're fine with the set of admins we have; ais523 is active here, and all the spam gets cleaned up rapidly.

< 1318716614 104026 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The old “we have enough admins therefore we shouldn’t have any more” argument?
< 1318716630 801040 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in case it wasn’t clear, I don’t understand that argument; it makes no sense)
< 1318716674 713260 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found article in Wikipedia about digital sundial.
< 1318716693 373752 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: "We have enough /active/ admins" makes perfect sense.
< 1318716702 337529 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :having only one inactive admin/op/whatever is awful though.
< 1318716705 787009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: I don't think we need more, so why have more?
< 1318716709 34778 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: why?
< 1318716720 495671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's strictly more load for Graue to add them, so it's obviously very slightly inferior at the very least
< 1318716739 551681 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as the admins are active and numerous enough to handle current demands then there's no need for more.
< 1318716741 962847 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hackiki allows users to create whatever program they want, and that can include skins too
< 1318716743 811153 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, you mean because he need to go in and flip a switch?
< 1318716746 829192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and making more people admin carries the risk of making the wrong people admin
< 1318716749 209344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: I said slightly
< 1318716765 430373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: if the admin workload is fully accounted for, then adding more admins doesn't benefit anything, and it's a slight amount of work for Graue to add them
< 1318716773 691059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, the situation is at /least/ very slightly inferior
< 1318716778 18839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably moreso, because  and making more people admin carries the risk of making the wrong people admin
< 1318716793 552218 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ability to add styling rules doesn’t benefit anything? Are you sure you know what you’re saying there?
< 1318716824 973771 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :“making the wrong people admin” — what’s the worst that can happen? That you have to de-admin them back
< 1318716844 381456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: Well, you haven't told us what rules you want yet.
< 1318716849 515020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, they could execute a major security exploit.
< 1318716863 794589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least one very common browser lets CSS execute arbitrary JS, I believe; almost certainly more than that.
< 1318716874 112028 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean there’s a known security vulnerability that admins can exploit?
< 1318716874 676834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, can't admins edit .js files anyway?
< 1318716882 415150 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see
< 1318716883 703503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: yep, that's why you don't make non-trustable people admins
< 1318716885 484379 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they can
< 1318716891 447302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why you have a process
< 1318716894 88422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are conservative about it
< 1318716900 512053 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So where’s the process in esolangs wiki? :-p
< 1318716920 639920 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : At least one very common browser lets CSS execute arbitrary JS, I believe; almost certainly more than that.
< 1318716927 360090 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway, like I said before, the biggest mistake is to have an all-or-nothing; either you can do everything (including dangerous) or almost nothing
< 1318716928 126032 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, MW lets you edit the site-wide JS.
< 1318716936 833549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: all the people who are admins are community elders, and the workload is handled, so we don't really need a process :)
< 1318716944 637936 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can hijack people's accounts with it easily enough.
< 1318716965 578120 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how almost nothing is almost nothing
< 1318716975 574153 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :With all due respect, the workload is clearly not handled; there are still no styling rules for anything, most notably tables :)
< 1318716991 499766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: well, have you asked anyone to add them? there is a table styling rule, btw
< 1318716999 519440 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would make the best wiki admin.

< 1318716999 805461 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ld633/what_is_something_that_never_fails_to_blow_your/c2rr33b
< 1318717008 928199 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A fellow pen dissector"!
< 1318717019 58968 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would do absolutely nothing once admin.
< 1318717027 40529 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I just asked who’s an admin and the answer was “nobody who’s active”
< 1318717056 128507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: on /IRC/
< 1318717065 518115 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK so who do I ask?
< 1318717073 12450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could try keymaker, but I'd just put it on a relevant talk page
< 1318717081 447639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why they exist, after all :)
< 1318717143 617475 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I spent hours on designing these rules only to have the request ignored or rejected, I’ll be really upset
< 1318717164 752256 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as I’m sure would you)
< 1318717166 39034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: as opposed to hours designing them only to have another admin revert because they would have rejected a request?
< 1318717177 40973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :being an admin doesn't stop consensus from mattering :-)
< 1318717196 209004 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But being an admin allows me to demonstrate the CSS :-p
< 1318717235 570804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: people can add CSS rules with User:foo/.css; an admin would do that before rejecting the request
< 1318717266 457166 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know... fine, I’ll add some rules there
< 1318717304 604063 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION requests guidance from the Great Cubicuboctahedron on the matter. 

< 1318717333 372067 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the Great Cubicuboctahedron spake, "fuck thou."
< 1318717347 673312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor CakeProphet.
< 1318717362 123851 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, it’s not working... is there a setting I need to set to enable it?
< 1318717377 226393 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Great Cubicuboctahedron is a very apathetic godhead.
< 1318717406 275429 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the
< 1318717428 375818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: I'm pretty sure you have to set a setting to make it work
< 1318717435 858825 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Great_cubicuboctahedron.png  what is this blasphemy.
< 1318717438 816583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: oh, wait, did you clear your cache?
< 1318717443 342756 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1318717450 256710 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is forbidden to depict his likeness in an inferior 2D projection.
< 1318717455 436521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: huh
< 1318717457 592004 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m not doing anything differently from Wikipedia, where it works :-p
< 1318717467 689905 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :his glory must be beheld on all three axes.
< 1318717468 191023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe our mediawiki version is too old
< 1318717488 947201 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose a great cubicuboctahedron is higher than 3D isn't it?
< 1318717489 707899 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can’t find a relevant option
< 1318717506 494092 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that name sounds like someone was high when they came up with it
< 1318717523 559126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: not sure, then
< 1318717524 961250 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: no it's a polyhedron
< 1318717528 182340 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus 3-dimensional.
< 1318717534 400035 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw
< 1318717535 901952 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I can’t do it :(
< 1318717542 877296 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I can do it offline, but I can’t demonstrate it
< 1318717544 925915 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you said inferior 2D projection I was thinking it was 4 or 5D
< 1318717551 575116 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though perhaps the nonconvex great rhombicuboctahedron is a greater deity.
< 1318717553 779828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: admins can, by temporarily setting the CSS
< 1318717556 119364 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany, -hedron is exclusively 3D.
< 1318717558 94874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then reverting it if they don't like it
< 1318717573 727176 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaa
< 1318717575 504825 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the wiki just went down? o.O
< 1318717576 580881 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-choron is the proposed 4D equivalent, but nobody really uses it.
< 1318717577 579349 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is with these weird names
< 1318717582 535257 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then -choron is 4D I believe. a specific kind of 4D shape.
< 1318717586 978810 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rhombicubichoron!
< 1318717587 314144 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-tope is the general form.
< 1318717617 246581 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: this is "advanced" mathematics I don't know what you were expecting...
< 1318717619 639054 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, no, -choron is Greek for 'room', since polychora are formed from 3D shapes fitted together.
< 1318717621 383792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: not for me
< 1318717621 530440 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/P2-A5-P3.gif all hail
< 1318717640 781344 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Could you try adding CSS for yourself to see if it works for you?
< 1318717646 465488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1318717649 298014 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks
< 1318717669 217194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: are you sure you're using monobook? :-P
< 1318717675 705809 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, just checked
< 1318717679 92511 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : aw
< 1318717684 824719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: Do you have a link to a .nice?
< 1318717688 938111 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excuse me some of my favourite manifolds are 3D.
< 1318717689 546751 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Sclipting
< 1318717707 206146 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi, is that the racist version of­— OK it is.
< 1318717714 364407 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL :-D
< 1318717714 511080 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: its expanding and contracting form greatly inspires me with divine fervor.
< 1318717740 363898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: hmm, it doesn't seem to work here either, but I'm not sure I cleared the cache right
< 1318717744 479143 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_e
< 1318717750 807512 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e_o
< 1318717752 614058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: your eye looks broken
< 1318717754 422674 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is to reduce bytes not characters, but sure, that's a fine goal too.
< 1318717756 891260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: one of them is floating
< 1318717760 18819 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e_i_e_i_o
< 1318717792 870490 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: spheres are the best manifold of  course.
< 1318717804 885652 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lies
< 1318717807 684249 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, well that's 2-D technically.
< 1318717808 846472 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right?
< 1318717823 881144 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is a 2-sphere considered 3D? I'm not sure how that works.
< 1318717837 285909 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's 3D
< 1318717843 843086 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1318717848 428781 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a 2D manifold, normally embedded in 3D; and I should have said 'embedded in 3D' instead.
< 1318717848 591643 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sphere is 3D isn't it .-.
< 1318717857 173443 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay. right.
< 1318717860 164089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No spheres are ten-dimensional. I read it in a book.
< 1318717865 753937 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany, erm, it's kind of complicated.
< 1318717873 252646 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wahhh
< 1318717877 953265 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1318717886 655901 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: a ball is the inside of a sphere, the sphere is the surface. a n-sphere is the surface of a (n+1)-ball.
< 1318717887 46600 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't an infinite dimensional hypercube a sphere?
< 1318717895 4567 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A sphere is normally taken to be the set of points at distance r from some point in R^3.
< 1318717896 486346 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it has infinite points
< 1318717925 360788 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The inside of a sphere is a ball, but balls can be of any dimension.
< 1318717931 270876 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :“because it has infinite points”? You think anything with an infinite number of points is a sphere?
< 1318717936 211461 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1318717936 358208 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also they can be open or closed.
< 1318717937 362857 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1318717952 172347 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's a cube with all the sides normalised they'd be infinite points all x distance away from the origin
< 1318717959 158581 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1318717963 524898 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming it's centered at the origin
< 1318717981 607188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In mathematical notation, an n-sphere would be the set of points at distance r from some point in R^(n+).
< 1318717988 261367 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*(n+1)
< 1318717990 543809 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what you mean by “normalised”. I’m not even sure what “infinite-dimensional” means :)
< 1318718049 643267 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinite dimensional is meaningful, but unfortunately it's too late at night for me to remember exactly what it means.
< 1318718051 124042 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :normalised being 1 unit from the centre o.o
< 1318718064 3731 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and infinite dimensional being infinite axises
< 1318718091 394362 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think cubes work that way. Not very point would be 1 unit from a center.
< 1318718111 369214 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/very/every ?
< 1318718112 196582 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, general spheres, no, but the difference is not terribly important.
< 1318718117 511815 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: er, yes.
< 1318718120 759208 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I mean like the corner points
< 1318718124 652231 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not including the points on the sides
< 1318718127 670129 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany, an infinite-dimensional hypercube is not in fact a sphere.
< 1318718145 698069 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just... an infinite-dimensional hypercube, right?
< 1318718151 459301 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1318718163 681098 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'd have an infinite amount of points all x distance from the origin?
< 1318718170 764336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is reminding me of oklopol's infinite-dimensional four-in-a-row.
< 1318718172 336297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was beautiful.
< 1318718177 879482 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o
< 1318718183 561353 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wow nice.
< 1318718189 899049 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.o.
< 1318718200 111603 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The difference is that oko has in fact studied topology, unlike everyone currently speaking.
< 1318718220 979675 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : isn't an infinite dimensional hypercube a sphere?
< 1318718222 956058 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I have done some /very extensive/ reading of Wikipedia in the past few hours thank you very much
< 1318718224 636915 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops.
< 1318718225 863648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't think he had at the time.
< 1318718227 661286 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hypersphere_coord.PNG
< 1318718230 553388 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a topology lecture course at uni :-p
< 1318718234 40664 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am certified topowskkrokgloyggicall master.
< 1318718234 397911 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don’t remember any of it though
< 1318718236 341507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was when he was YOUNG AND FREE.
< 1318718245 175610 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.~.
< 1318718249 965588 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~.~
< 1318718254 741038 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I plan to study topology soon? Although I don't actually know how long I have to wait.
< 1318718260 111584 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :neh
< 1318718260 606891 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: but yeah again not every point on a hypercube is x distance from the center.
< 1318718276 61310 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to take more advanced math classes
< 1318718276 393814 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so extending a hypercube to infinite dimensions doesn't change anything about that.
< 1318718289 884559 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it makes sense
< 1318718318 700298 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh effing hell, Cambridge doesn't do algebraic topology until third year.
< 1318718319 789618 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1318718463 77835 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: topology is a 4th year class at my school
< 1318718468 536898 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely optional. I bet no one takes it.
< 1318718471 784452 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :except math majors.
< 1318718472 964509 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and me.
< 1318718475 921012 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(future me)
< 1318718512 863504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: "Nobody would take an advanced maths course except maths majors"
< 1318718518 889414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a stunningly controversial statement.
< 1318718536 500201 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well I would expect some computer science majors as well.
< 1318718536 662324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking!
< 1318718540 937390 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they do take it.
< 1318718541 596230 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cambridge.... why.... do you need... my photograph.....
< 1318718550 372261 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my future self being an example.
< 1318718556 706763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, they need your phonograph.
< 1318718563 946530 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, silly me.
< 1318718567 775373 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which Cambridge?
< 1318718577 392146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The /other/ Cambridge university.
< 1318718578 50814 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The important one.
< 1318718580 541062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is there another?)
< 1318718582 18228 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wrong one?
< 1318718587 687089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/u/U/
< 1318718615 842463 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Cambridge in Massachusetts because the Americans have not heard of inventing place names.
< 1318718622 998874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well you cannot do algebraic topology until you have algebra, and topology...
< 1318718626 619562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia doesn't have a dab for Cambridge University.
< 1318718640 405937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh, aren't MIT and Harvard there?
< 1318718649 811146 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, hence why I ask
< 1318718653 455217 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and it was actually named after the university, not the town.
< 1318718658 368849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure anybody calls those Cambridge.
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< 1318718809 430432 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chattanooga,_Tennessee
< 1318718820 785361 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :does completely fucking up the native name count as inventing a place name?
< 1318718846 556632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: You must be new to the US.
< 1318718933 494415 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear, I don't actually have any photographs of myself on my system.
< 1318718952 826408 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can just give them a picture of Professor Moriarty? I'm sure nobody will notice.
< 1318718955 541768 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's rather a *lot* of silly, repeated place names in the US.
< 1318718980 137593 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance: London, Texas.
< 1318719001 536190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not far from paris, i assume
< 1318719019 766129 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Several hundred miles.
< 1318719038 652289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Texas, Texas.
< 1318719062 480675 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, there is an Amerika in Germany.
< 1318719090 28366 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerika,_Saxony
< 1318719095 182206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In retaliation, prepare for Germuny, Texas.
< 1318719113 738450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a germane conclusion
< 1318719121 242458 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :University of Georgia is in Rome, Georgia.
< 1318719124 737775 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sadly, no such thing.
< 1318719130 707185 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is, however, Texas German.
< 1318719144 81445 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A nearly extinct dialect of German.
< 1318719146 762257 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, Georgia is a whole nother matter :)
< 1318719159 846357 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_Township,_Adams_County,_Pennsylvania
< 1318719170 656358 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Butts County, GA.
< 1318719207 736714 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Captain Samuel Butts (1777–1814), a hero of the Creek War
< 1318719214 297203 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when you head out west you get a bunch of place names that are blatantly Spanish.
< 1318719220 101881 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_counties_in_Georgia_(U.S._state)
< 1318719234 859641 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. San Francisco
< 1318719276 965661 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these counties are bad
< 1318719360 387564 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bulloch county, bacon county, coffee county, crisp county, early county, effinham county, glascock county, liberty county, long county, peach county, quitman county,
< 1318719365 756304 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good names.
< 1318719399 211973 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :twiggs, towns, white (best name),
< 1318719416 195318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coffee and crisp bacon
< 1318719442 151448 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :The racial makeup of the county was 95.16% White, 2.17% Black or African American, 0.40% Native American, 0.51% Asian, 0.18% Pacific Islander, 0.51% from other races, and 1.07% from two or more races. 1.56% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.
< 1318719447 771376 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ White county
< 1318719451 389503 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :very accurate name.
< 1318719453 740802 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK request posted: http://esolangs.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Common.css
< 1318719566 805008 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m really tempted to create a completely new skin for Wikipedia now. :)
< 1318719598 696427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, to replace Vector? :-)
< 1318719601 43114 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hypersphere_coord.PNG
< 1318719609 304324 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intuitive.
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< 1318720921 716740 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Dude, my hometown is whiter than that.
< 1318720939 418083 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/town/county/
< 1318720946 317222 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the town actually isn't.
< 1318720990 718327 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the county apparently isn't either.
< 1318721563 371198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wait, does your trackpad not actually have scrolling capabilities?
< 1318721635 37359 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized....
< 1318721658 10756 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :implicit defs in Scala are pretty much called when a (static) type error occurs...
< 1318721673 553373 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda....
< 1318721674 117204 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^;
< 1318721682 494892 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy crap, Opportunity landed in *2004*.
< 1318721704 230634 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup.
< 1318721723 356063 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is operating *way* beyond design.
< 1318721725 272488 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wonder I don't remember its early years.
< 1318721751 432537 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also distinctly remember reading about Cassini and being annoyed that it wouldn't reach Saturn for ages.
< 1318721752 751632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well there might be.  i recall i long ago turned off some advanced settings because they kept annoying me when i triggered them accidentally
< 1318721773 780098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the normal thing is just to reserve the extreme right for vertical scrolling
< 1318721776 474253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and extreme bottom for horizontal
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< 1318722224 775178 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1318722323 522556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hm i tried setting that, and it does _not_ seem to work for the embedded scrollbars on the wiki (although a different autoscroll function which was already set does, but that one looks annoying to do precisely)
< 1318722354 13825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked for scrolling the main browser window though
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< 1318722389 49315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: heh
< 1318722682 299088 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been to a party
< 1318722707 950220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fascist!
< 1318722740 113338 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Hexham
< 1318722782 842782 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not been to a party in Hexham.
< 1318722798 698073 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318722811 933359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither have i.  that Ngevd guy sure is weird.
< 1318723179 346278 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivia: everyone in Hexham is connected to elliott in some way
< 1318723209 126924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you established what this way is, though?
< 1318723222 635007 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It varies person to person
< 1318723223 9087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly most are clones
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< 1318723742 750598 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it good practice to make the tools used to create the package you distribute, or is just source enough in most cases?
< 1318723757 770783 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/source/source available/
< 1318723769 504566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh?
< 1318723778 633790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand the part before the comma.
< 1318723868 197630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: ?
< 1318723880 685281 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you make a distribution package (for an open source program), is it good practice to include whatever you used to build that package too, or only what you need to compile and run the program?
< 1318723975 684190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: What distribution?
< 1318723982 116384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most distribution packages are binaries.
< 1318723986 29934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the question is incoherent.
< 1318724032 465865 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case, I'm using Scala, so, package = .jar file, launcher, external libraries, etc
< 1318724079 348851 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each distro generally documents their best practices for packaging.
< 1318724097 626536 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big, big thing is do not ever include external libraries.
< 1318724115 892451 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mean package as in "Linux package"
< 1318724131 24849 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uuu... never mind >>
< 1318724131 171543 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, do you mean a source tarball?
< 1318724160 840730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: Oh, distribution package.
< 1318724166 343850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1318724168 351751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right
< 1318724173 291549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: What kind of package, then?
< 1318724181 485516 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :programname-blah.zip
< 1318724181 979106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: You should basically include whatever's in your VCS repository.
< 1318724187 384121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/zip/tar.gz/
< 1318724204 314122 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/tar.gz/7z/
< 1318724207 766107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no.
< 1318724207 912811 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1318724216 31989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :7z doesn't even do permissions, IIRC.
< 1318724216 360601 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tarballs are the accepted format.
< 1318724227 293746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nobody has the decompressor on Linux.
< 1318724228 278098 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okey then :<
< 1318724237 62152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Everyone with WinRAR can open tar.gz, I believe.)
< 1318724241 809117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Definitely everyone with 7-Zip.)
< 1318724253 394491 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tar.gz and tar.bz2 are typical, tar.xz is not that unusual (though don't offer that exclusively).
< 1318724272 654503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: Anyway, you have a source repo, right? [This is me asking a question as if the answer will be the opposite of what I actually expect.]
< 1318724283 547589 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1318724285 969098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I dislike bz2 for the much-increased requirements over gz.
< 1318724294 446500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: tar.gz and tar.xz is reasonable, but really, gzip does just fine on text.
< 1318724302 795893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: tar czf program.tar program-repo/
< 1318724310 339068 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, tar.gz and tar.xz seems utterly reasonable.
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< 1318724313 309049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm
< 1318724314 974396 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean binary release, not source release. ^^;
< 1318724315 304662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: tar czf program.tar.gz program-repo/
< 1318724318 104719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: Oh.
< 1318724325 450648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: Then why would you include the sourec?
< 1318724333 627860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :source
< 1318724341 518770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source tarballs should be separate; or you could just point people to the relevant git commit.
< 1318724364 98175 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the binary release would contain a .bat file and a shell script to launch the program, the .jar file, and libraries, etc. Would it be good practice to include the script used to generate this package in the source repo?
< 1318724412 384542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: You should be able to wipe your hard drive and still retrieve all your project-related work from the repo.
< 1318724418 848965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Modulo stuff you haven't committed or pushed yet, I suppose.)
< 1318724430 4250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: And you should of course version such scripts because they'll inevitably change.
< 1318724437 960813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yes, it should go in the repo. Everything should.
< 1318724443 518391 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works.
< 1318724459 271948 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything you write should go in the repo, rather.
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< 1318725096 812766 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally upgraded my laptop to Lion.
< 1318725117 213680 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just when I thought that it would be literally impossible for Apple to put out any worse of an OS than they already have, they have once again managed to dig just a little bit deeper.
< 1318725183 484476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I told you to upgrade to Snow Leopard to avoid you whining.
< 1318725198 291086 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I did upgrade to Snow Leopard.
< 1318725201 637405 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to to upgrade to Lion.
< 1318725217 358238 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured "how could it hurt to get properly up to date instead of just almost up to date"
< 1318725217 733066 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight
< 1318725219 315198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why didn't you just stick there :P
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< 1318725223 827011 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I hadn't figured that.
< 1318725242 911858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks Lion is an improvement overall; unquestionably as far as the internals go, and about sixty percent UI-wise.

< 1318725248 113526 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, shopping for used cars is a pain.
< 1318725249 759734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't like OS X.

< 1318725317 394415 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spaces (or whatever that feature is called), which is easily the worst implementation of virtual desktops in any OS in the history of the universe, has turned into little more than a joke in Lion. Right now it seems that spaces has taken my keyboard focus. I can change spaces, but I can't, y'know, TYPE INTO ANY FUCKING WINDOW.
< 1318725332 530172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... doesn't happen.
< 1318725336 63975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least not for me, at all.
< 1318725347 821665 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny how for me it happened after all of ten minutes of use >_<
< 1318725423 700425 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the hell is the spaces feature in this preferences app >_<
< 1318725436 212112 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep

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< 1318725453 812964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: There isn't one.
< 1318725505 212407 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great, so I guess I'll go reboot to get my keyboard back. Because that makes sense.
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< 1318726055 524659 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now to find a way to change the space-switching animation's speed to something other than its default "fast enough to be nauseating and yet too slow to be useful"
< 1318726484 880535 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just switching screens on this is going to make me vomit X_X
< 1318726509 929563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Does that MacBook have a multitouch thing?
< 1318726518 279034 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1318726531 571126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Using Lion will be much more pleasant if you use it for everything you possibly can.
< 1318726583 4811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (e.g. switching spaces with three-finger horizontal swipes.)
< 1318726590 793479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple don't really give a shit about any other method of control :P
< 1318726618 220107 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, it looks like it's a two-spot-max multitouch (two-finger scroll works, three finger doesn't seem to do anything)
< 1318726637 322415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So it's not multitouch :P
< 1318726658 408715 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the sense that two is clearly equal to one, no.
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< 1318727436 826452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Of course it is.
< 1318728126 983487 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you even turn off those animations?
< 1318728208 669577 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Of course not.
< 1318728216 640902 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple doesn't let you disable animations.
< 1318728231 815007 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because having something pretty to look at for a second is more important than not breaking your workflow constantly.
< 1318728308 691792 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure there isn't some hidden settings to change these things if you know the names of the settings and can enter them at the UNIX command prompt?
< 1318728398 786241 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it is possible that Apple forgot to put in those hidden settings.
< 1318728443 738346 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've looked for it.
< 1318728451 629819 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was one for 10.6 apparently. But not for 10.7.
< 1318728468 765329 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, they removed it?
< 1318728574 151568 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they added the feature of not having it
< 1318728828 597761 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In spite of everything, olsner's answer is closer to the truth :P
< 1318728865 443309 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As near as I can tell, they completely rewrote spaces from scratch, and somehow managed to make an even worse system (which is impressive since spaces was really awful)
< 1318728923 102837 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a command to disable the spaces system entirely? (since it is now even more really awful)
< 1318729077 221781 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have something like   data Exp = Apply Exp Exp | Literal Literal | Case [(Pat, Exp)] .....   should I add annotations, and if so what method? One way I thought of is giving a type parameter to Exp and Pat and adding a constructor which is used for annotations, but is there better way?
< 1318729516 661481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: TBH I think Mission Control makes Spaces basically useful
< 1318729527 622698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially the handling of fullscreen apps
< 1318729530 404317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not much of a virtual desktop user
< 1318729584 819534 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to assume you typo'd "useless" there.
< 1318729627 426533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Nope :P
< 1318729648 686378 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regardless of anything you say, for the sake of my sanity I have to assume you typo'd "useless"
< 1318729667 236610 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not so much that this is a rational conclusion, as that I refuse to accept any other conclusion.
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< 1318731377 961051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Look at the UK government's official reasons for insane copyright laws: "The creative industries are an important part of the UK’s economy, and they regularly report copyright infringement as a serious problem."
< 1318731424 298468 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... Is the stupidest reasoning I've seen.
< 1318731792 940307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The gramophone companies are an important part of the UK's economy, and they regularly report CD sales as a serious problem.
< 1318732197 335876 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The buggy companies are an important part of the UK's economy, and they regularly report car sales as a serious problem.
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< 1318732510 785310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The television companies are an important part of the UK's economy, and they regularly report time shifting as a serious problem.
< 1318732718 766213 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I implementing deBruijn indexing correctly?
< 1318732719 599083 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318732744 292936 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :assignLocal i v h = case h of { Apply x y -> Apply (assignLocal i v x) (assignLocal i v y); Case x -> Case $ assignLocalCase i v <$> x; Local x -> if x == i then v else if x > i then Local (x - 1) else Local x; _ -> h; };
< 1318732750 158159 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :assignLocalCase i v (p, h) = (p, assignLocal (i + localOffset p) v h);
< 1318732753 855750 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-33-19.resnet.ucsb.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318732761 679397 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :localOffset LocalP = 1; localOffset (ConstructorP _ x) = sum $ localOffset <$> x; localOffset _ = 0;
< 1318732779 104725 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know how tynt works? For those who don't know, it's a company that offers a piece of javascript that, when you copy from a webpage using it, both tells the tynt site that it's been copied for analytics perfect and adds a Read more: then a url to the copied text that links back to the page. Is there a way to hook to copying in javascript?
< 1318732831 108698 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Yes, I have seen those things. Usually I disable scripting when viewing those kind of things, since I want to copy fragments all over the place instead of a single solid block of text.
< 1318732861 898943 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I've seen how to disable it, I want to know how it can do what it does
< 1318732872 471932 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use the view-source command
< 1318732883 16163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: doesn't help for obfuscated JS
< 1318732901 152029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Apparently:
< 1318732901 483122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Register handlers for onCopy, onDrag, etc on the window Object
< 1318732901 629783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get a unique URL that will be used as a tracker
< 1318732901 777768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When any of the registered event occurs
< 1318732901 777929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Send an event to the server
< 1318732902 425746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :On firefox, create a new node with the data that has to be displayed with the content that is copied. Set selection to existing node and this new node.
< 1318732905 413954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :On IE, add extra text to the current Selection
< 1318732907 336271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cancel the propagation of the current event.
< 1318732921 121901 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah ok
< 1318732930 665222 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a lot to learn about JS, I didn't even know you could do that
< 1318732933 521170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely repulsive.
< 1318732959 769798 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :var clip = Components.classes['@mozilla.org/widget/clipboard;[[[[1]]]]'].createInstance(Components.interfaces.nsIClipboard);
< 1318732962 668322 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of []s
< 1318732969 380784 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mozilla seems incomplete, I cannot figure out how to make it get rid of events or make other changes to the DOM
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< 1318733050 914259 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that certain events are not passed to the DOM, or are only called when certain conditions apply (such as which mouse buttons you use or which keys are pushed)
< 1318733258 117575 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use gopher protocol without HTML (and also without PDF, SVG, etc) and avoid these problems.
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< 1318735162 436543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: You should use gopher instead.
< 1318735179 884948 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was just some line I copy pasted
< 1318735189 877324 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the [[[[1]]]]] really necessary? it looks lol
< 1318735198 470371 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reminds me of that esolang with all the []s for pointer redirection
< 1318736201 132418 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to lose my mind to craigslist and autotrader.
< 1318736669 234391 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. The US is *actually* ending military involvement in Iraq.
< 1318736782 340207 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :[citation needed]
< 1318736795 964243 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2011/10/20111015191922744317.html
< 1318736893 36653 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :al jazeera?
< 1318736934 812337 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1318736938 50290 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrorist mutant traitor news
< 1318736943 862913 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Al Jazeera is an entirely respectable reporting organization that happens to focus on the Arab world.
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< 1318737641 701725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wow! Only eight years after we won the war!
< 1318737655 501963 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I didn't realise the UK won.
< 1318737657 345536 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardcore.
< 1318737677 213127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No we are all American at heart.
< 1318737695 504105 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Very well then.
< 1318737720 348888 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that goes without saying.
< 1318737721 524072 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let us consume gallons of high fructose corn syrup and eat pounds of bacon and artificial cheese food product.
< 1318737733 449649 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and complain about taxes.
< 1318737742 933642 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :while we drive our cars everywhere.
< 1318737745 270687 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precisely!
< 1318737969 362241 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :American lifestyle is a mind virus.
< 1318737981 725759 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the word you're looking for is "meme".
< 1318737993 710772 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha. Haskell meme.
< 1318738006 137064 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :memeplex
< 1318738007 461960 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :meme is a just an internet mind virus.
< 1318738277 305622 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow software engineering is a really easy class.
< 1318738298 728029 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of is either completely unecessary, or something that's common sense that you would do without thinking.
< 1318738318 716887 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, software engineering is not a well-estabilished field of engineering, at least as commonly practiced.
< 1318738340 161721 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :software engineering is not a class
< 1318738343 602865 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a discipline
< 1318738352 168939 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, it's only sometimes deserving of the term "craft".
< 1318738358 974837 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, at a university level
< 1318738382 348910 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ...yes, I was referring to "introduction to software engineering"
< 1318738386 186395 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but decided to not type that out.
< 1318738392 241716 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: also which school
< 1318738406 448498 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Southern Polytechnic State University.
< 1318738428 681957 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :highly pretigious. well-known. etc.
< 1318738477 424353 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polytechnic State? nice
< 1318738630 543551 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was originally a satellite campus of Georgia Tech but then became its own institution. It's almost a feeder school for Lockheed Martin Aeronautics, which is located nearby.
< 1318738666 166706 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also has an okay CS degree, which is what I'm majoring in obviously.
< 1318738679 816283 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: all lies. I'm actually getting a culinary degree)
< 1318738691 810767 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write recursive recipes.
< 1318738824 480759 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds delicious
< 1318738895 154914 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find the <$ operator is very useful when using Parsec. The <* operator is also useful with Parsec; and liftM2, liftM3, etc are useful with Parsec.
< 1318738956 872415 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much has been done with non-character types and Parsec?
< 1318738982 254542 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; but I would like to know the answer to that question, too.
< 1318739157 762258 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you ignore the state monad underneath, Parsec essentially solves some kind of complex decision problem involving a list as input. Right?
< 1318739245 21298 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it can do that.
< 1318739311 876287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stallman still uses XFree?
< 1318739314 851849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wat with me.
< 1318739765 667142 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wat.
< 1318739773 707468 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Citation?
< 1318740346 830387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://richard.stallman.usesthis.com/
< 1318740352 357767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could have been inaccurate editing
< 1318740359 236466 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One hopes.
< 1318740389 937960 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially seeing as he uses gNewSense, and Ubuntu derivative.
< 1318740505 238876 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Why CS?
< 1318740587 459655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Maybe he didn't realise the X.org transition even happened :-)
< 1318740592 691009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh, haven't got to that part of my email backlog yet."
< 1318740630 854411 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It does have "free" in its name.
< 1318740720 17261 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: uh, because I want to major in something that's directly related to programming and the theory of such.
< 1318740731 332727 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I understand the question.
< 1318740751 72108 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like, why do I like programming?
< 1318740758 497718 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, well, maybe the "obviously".
< 1318740761 297447 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose never mind.
< 1318740778 882589 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION likes programming but would certainly not be sure that he wants to major in CS.

< 1318740796 951050 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are you in college right now?
< 1318740802 521548 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate programming but im unwisely major in cs :'(
< 1318740833 90353 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: No.
< 1318740840 834095 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think computer science was probably the best choice because a) it's what I like to do  b) it will be a relatively good source of income.
< 1318740871 835581 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my second favorite hobby being bulleted, numered, and alphabetically ordered lists.
< 1318740877 957453 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*numbered
< 1318740887 875677 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: least favorite hobby is typing)
< 1318740918 497918 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will see, he supposes.

< 1318740982 340960 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is there anything else you're good at?
< 1318740997 134746 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or want to do?
< 1318741002 790475 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should hope so!
< 1318741006 653008 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I want to do everything.
< 1318741018 276910 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think CS is probably easier to study on one's own than a lot of things.
< 1318741051 681343 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's certainly something you can learn by doing.
< 1318741258 786579 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for relatively cheap.
< 1318741296 367968 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, unless you work at a car shop or have a lot of money to spend on car stuff, it's more difficult to self-learn car stuff.
< 1318741325 290687 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but software is (er, can be) free. And you only need the initial investment of a computer.
< 1318741370 266861 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :free as in "free beer" not free as in "free speech".
< 1318741401 8310 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i misread as free bear
< 1318741407 13830 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh cool free bear"
< 1318741418 734243 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes learning the codes can be dangerous. I have scars.
< 1318741428 742557 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :from terrible maul wounds.
< 1318741491 194071 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: though if you do learn CS and go out into industry, you probably /will/ have to program something you're not necessarily interested in.
< 1318741513 836089 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far, in my very limited experienced, it's not too bad though.
< 1318741520 474573 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is "in the industry" now.

< 1318741526 804561 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's indeed not too bad.
< 1318741527 649722 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay.
< 1318741536 759823 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it highly varies based on the problem.
< 1318741541 310987 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :icky web programing stuff will be the bane of me.
< 1318741613 495075 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha web programming
< 1318741659 758408 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's a matter of perspective
< 1318741693 930626 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, I could imagine that making my Javascript compatible with any number of different de facto conventions as being similar to writing a polyglot. Ah, that sounds much better.
< 1318741781 578406 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/conventions/implementations(?#I suppose)/
< 1318741817 830283 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1318741867 918542 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so you're "in the industry" without a degree?
< 1318741885 559183 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently.
< 1318741902 135219 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that happen?
< 1318741938 678422 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to do a summer internship after high school before college.
< 1318741949 583694 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah neat.
< 1318741953 767463 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my high school didn't have those.
< 1318741954 1535 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It ended up being indefinitely extended.
< 1318741967 409275 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't part of the high school.
< 1318741975 269075 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay
< 1318741987 413657 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that it's hard to find internships. many of them require obscene amounts of experience already.
< 1318742006 720210 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this looks correctly to you as a transformation using De Bruijn index?
< 1318742023 260445 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/BYVT
< 1318742039 101754 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I suppose it depends on where you look.
< 1318742058 102995 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something.
< 1318742097 941764 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: RMS is actually pretty good about responding to email.
< 1318742163 418060 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you have nineteen years of experience with something that was invented only three years ago?
< 1318742210 5738 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: approach near-light speeds.
< 1318742247 411546 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of weird language is that?
< 1318742250 959407 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's Haskell.
< 1318742276 403502 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzoskell
< 1318742387 739045 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, it is Haskell. Although I have my own datatypes and constructors for the program that this is a part of.
< 1318742434 697748 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I often find it difficult to read Haskell programs without the data type definitions.
< 1318742446 837959 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the types of basic functions on those types.
< 1318742454 367724 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is actually a different kind of De Bruijn indexing, where a lambda expression (e) instead corresponds to (Case [(LocalP, e)])
< 1318742483 500597 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: OK I will include the types
< 1318742512 488167 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: er, no that's okay I'm working on something right now I doubt I'll be able to help you with anything.
< 1318742540 943314 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/FDCd
< 1318742561 401957 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just commenting on my experience with reading Haskell programs. I also note that I don't have as much difficult determining things about OO code without the type information. Perhaps this just reflects my lack of experience with Haskell.
< 1318742568 437676 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*difficulty
< 1318742600 287150 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it could also be because Haskell programs are fairly dense comparatively.
< 1318742685 589505 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol my professor just forgot how to say decrypt.
< 1318742706 241756 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is OK; but I included the types in case someone else knows the answer but only if types are indicated too
< 1318742710 310868 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :at first she said "unencrypt" and then she was like "wait... de... de-encrypt?"
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< 1318746982 950319 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I implement De Bruijn indexing correctly?
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< 1318747802 905829 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have you heard of gnome-session-fallback?
< 1318748125 613070 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!logs
< 1318748133 372713 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot: sejriouwejriuweurh
< 1318748134 350643 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help
< 1318748135 9373 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help .
< 1318748139 340987 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!info
< 1318748139 828978 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​EgoBot is a bot for running programs in esoteric programming languages. If you'd like to add support for your language to EgoBot, check out the source via mercurial at https://codu.org/projects/egobot/hg/ . Cheers and patches (preferably hg bundles) can be sent to Richards@codu.org , PayPal donations can be sent to AKAQuinn@hotmail.com , complaints can be sent to /dev/null
< 1318748155 21838 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!log
< 1318748157 724052 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ewoeirjwoiejrwioehriuwehr
< 1318748168 528625 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason I can't rsync the logs
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< 1318749830 186147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1318749838 92928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: have you heard of gnome-session-fallback?
< 1318749839 89606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unusable
< 1318749844 798130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the one i tried and reported on
< 1318749876 977350 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unusual in what way?
< 1318749878 460072 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1318749879 972690 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unusuable
< 1318749886 615841 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1318749891 90596 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hlep tpyeing
< 1318749903 533691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see logs.
< 1318749907 809144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i told you at the time.
< 1318750008 874679 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmk
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< 1318751680 178145 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello1
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< 1318752329 904646 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So out of morbid curiosity, how long does it actually take to build Chrome?
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< 1318753242 686056 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: ah, I forgot that gnome-session-fallback was what you were trying to use
< 1318753246 283834 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes I remember that conversation.
< 1318753280 691076 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks Xfce is the best option for anyone who doesn't want to make the plunge to a non-traditional environment.

< 1318753291 261219 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do any of the Platonic solids form Eulerian graphs?
< 1318753311 102125 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers buying C418's new album.

< 1318753333 547059 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh! the octohedron does!
< 1318753354 770258 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Octa.
< 1318753385 544002 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does too!
< 1318753395 54165 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318753430 546491 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Exactly how maverick is the air city?
< 1318754008 834959 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: so in programs like wget and apt-get, what software are they using to create things like progress bars and changing completion percentages?
< 1318754029 152580 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: VT escape codes.
< 1318754031 508952 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess the progress bar can just be regular out
< 1318754032 138404 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe curses, but I doubt it.
< 1318754043 246958 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually you can do a spinner with just backspace of course.
< 1318754074 346646 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes.
< 1318754093 771549 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could technically do the changing completion percent thing that apt-get does with backspace I guess.
< 1318754141 450299 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh "VT escape codes" == "ANSI escape codes"?
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< 1318754383 180520 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1318754453 205401 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Better Ctrl+H than backspace.
< 1318754473 383258 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that... backspace?
< 1318754505 163414 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318754516 574349 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm.
< 1318754522 755779 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl+U. Or Ctrl+A; I forget which you'd want here.
< 1318754527 981391 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: hi PH found the link to the gravity stuff.
< 1318754539 333020 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw it, and it was good
< 1318754543 524042 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1318754547 883839 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backspace
< 1318754548 500404 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was just two objects
< 1318754549 692523 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, good picture
< 1318754553 668074 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: um no
< 1318754559 291910 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: there were links to add a bunch of moons and shit at the bottom
< 1318754563 653017 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh okay
< 1318754566 219138 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly nothing for other ships but there was orbits and shit
< 1318754581 496165 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: v. arty
< 1318754589 198318 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so link again if on hand
< 1318754597 169789 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah, that's the thing i ain't got
< 1318754604 717418 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PH will probably be around pretty soon though
< 1318754622 633862 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: I just enjoy that it's in a completely different setting from where you would normally find a backspace key.
< 1318754634 261556 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: no i use my backspace key in the woods.
< 1318754643 926512 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lets me get in tune with nature. also: bokeh.
< 1318754648 344429 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but ph is gay i prefer to have your link
< 1318754648 491226 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this should perhaps be removed and replaced with a backspace key in its more typical usage.
< 1318754649 779876 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are the keys to nature.
< 1318754653 727340 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :amirite
< 1318754659 696600 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Backspace.jpg
< 1318754660 57536 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/Josefina_with_Bokeh.jpg
< 1318754660 835272 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same wood
< 1318754674 122655 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :child uses backspace daily, to get in tune with nature.
< 1318754678 690050 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwat
< 1318754686 653640 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah but do you really want to follow a link produced by someone who isn't a vampire
< 1318754713 266093 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? loser
< 1318754720 989430 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah ph is the vampire here
< 1318754754 8400 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi guys I'm so la^H^H^H^H^Hso clever
< 1318754764 751572 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :laclevjrkerv
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< 1318754769 428380 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--pakecrophet
< 1318754814 324997 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :best longopt
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< 1318755170 470117 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a program
< 1318755173 53075 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :called elucidate
< 1318755192 627064 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains everything about its input, in English words.
< 1318755199 438894 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and requires no network connection or anything
< 1318755203 594617 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just an AI that can explain anything.
< 1318755214 273438 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called the opposite of CakeProphet
< 1318755215 69788 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram Alpha is trying to become that
< 1318755225 888915 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo trying to
< 1318755232 197508 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without the no network connceiton part.
< 1318755254 147662 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the iPod app doesn't need network
< 1318755260 915114 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does.
< 1318755269 926051 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no way you could fit all the data W|A has onto an iPod.
< 1318755291 68380 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least not in a decently-queriable form.)
< 1318755299 658583 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, every W|A client just talks to the servers.
< 1318755347 842661 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah no there's no way you can use it offline...
< 1318756190 546315 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nautilus-gksu and nautilus-open-terminal
< 1318756196 114616 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good packages or best packages?
< 1318756226 45557 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess nautilus-actions is, in terms of generality, better)
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< 1318757288 309689 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: is there any inherent benefit to using FTP over HTTP when downloading files?
< 1318757296 541755 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FTP is an obsolete protocol.
< 1318757302 239604 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no reason to use it.
< 1318757308 150196 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about rsync?
< 1318757338 466267 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does over-the-wire compression by default and some other stuff, e.g. you'll have much better resume support, checksumming... A better choice than HTTP when available.
< 1318757353 726709 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay.
< 1318757359 817242 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But over what protocol?
< 1318757364 815622 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http, ftp, rsync
< 1318757366 545806 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the options.
< 1318757375 30794 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "rsync dvd" dunno the different there.
< 1318757379 381154 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm downloading Knoppix.
< 1318757380 849938 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. You've never used rsync, I see.
< 1318757383 631860 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*difference
< 1318757386 597356 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you downloading Knoppix?
< 1318757390 420076 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun.
< 1318757396 355163 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knoppix is also pretty obsolete.
< 1318757417 711421 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so what do you recommend.
< 1318757426 317964 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I don't use livecds. Debian Live?
< 1318757427 297681 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for liveCD distro.
< 1318757430 310133 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1318757438 266281 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Ubuntu LiveCDs are obviously pretty complete themselves.
< 1318757444 622411 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's an option too.
< 1318757465 990306 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well wouldn't Knoppix be a bit faster?
< 1318757470 325082 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1318757476 652146 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :less weight.
< 1318757483 461653 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you know what you're talking about.
< 1318757491 125333 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't. it was a question.
< 1318757506 456378 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Tiny Core is also an option. And definitely the least weight you'll find, though probably more than you want to deal with not having.
< 1318757540 950439 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is for a shitty netbook, so lighter is better.
< 1318757567 22370 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_netbook-oriented_Linux_distributions
< 1318757613 590843 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joli OS   interface: HTML5 + Gnome
< 1318757615 12145 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell.
< 1318757649 490847 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could put Android on it.
< 1318757689 826292 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a bad idea to me...
< 1318757698 967572 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it would be neat.
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< 1318757780 179132 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it would be very light.
< 1318757785 723103 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would suck.
< 1318757797 286118 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would work well with a low-memory system
< 1318757803 361591 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would suck.
< 1318757807 857309 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...well, yes.
< 1318757868 236255 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Androids application model is pretty interesting.
< 1318757899 136166 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How?
< 1318757951 562463 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it frequently removes apps from memory and forces the apps to deal with that.
< 1318757964 533217 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not frequently.
< 1318757968 976830 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the OS can do that whenever it wants.
< 1318757979 233127 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think iOS has always done that.
< 1318757981 479454 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...not much different from swap space I guess.
< 1318758001 969924 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh really? I don't know much about iOS. I was comparing it to regular OSes
< 1318758044 459637 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Well, actually Lion does that too :P
< 1318758054 243936 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But the app has to opt in to it.)
< 1318758077 81963 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense. otherwise you would have compatability issues.
< 1318758088 971407 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compatibility issues, Apple's number one priority.
< 1318758093 37584 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh.
< 1318758146 505403 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Lion can also keep applications running even once you quit them if it think it's a good idea, and lets you turn off the open/closed indicators in the Dock altogether.)
< 1318758161 637 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm pretty sure the plan is to replace "Quit" with "Hide" in some future release.)
< 1318758181 981740 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all part of the pseudo-orthogonal persistence thing they've got going on.
< 1318758186 144332 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a decent solution to dealing with a low memory environment. (not referring to the parenthetical stuff)
< 1318758199 269916 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., apps manually store all their state and restore it on re-open, including things like unsaved documents; and then the versioning system is layered on top of that.
< 1318758202 634348 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm... not really sure I get the benefit of orthogonal persistence.
< 1318758208 771918 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's "cool"
< 1318758228 172355 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Many, many millions of lines of code have been written to serialise and deserialise structures to disk.
< 1318758239 461486 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This code is all completely obsolete from its conception.
< 1318758286 431720 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but you wouldn't want every piece of memory to be persistent.
< 1318758289 469914 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only are modern OSes faster and more efficient at managing when to swap to disk than programmers, the end result is simpler, reduces code complexity by a practically unimaginable degree, and avoids billions of cycles wasted on (de)serialisation.
< 1318758297 843007 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: That's what generational GCs exist for.
< 1318758304 624037 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll make a Constantinople successor
< 1318758326 747881 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: You serialise objects that survive the first few generations of garbage collection.
< 1318758333 171935 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol every dog in my neighborhood just exploded into barking and howling.
< 1318758358 719011 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you want to read a whingy rant I wrote on this early last year, YOU'RE IN LUCK: http://catseye.tc/ehird/files-suck.html)
< 1318758361 181468 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the first howl was actually a wolf.
< 1318758367 438580 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: OH BOY
< 1318758369 1518 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My opinions have since refined somewhat, as has my knowledge of the subject.)
< 1318758376 275913 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But what I said there is essentially correct.)
< 1318758381 545298 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least more correct than the status quo.)
< 1318758388 274321 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've spent more time thinking about this than is healthy.)
< 1318758425 315004 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-33-19.resnet.ucsb.edu QUIT :Quit: kwertii
< 1318758430 60829 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the key to becoming incredibly knowledgable about a subject is to form strong, misguided opinions and then pursue them relentlessly until you come to better conclusions?
< 1318758446 747724 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps this is why I don't know everything about everything. I don't care enough.
< 1318758455 132905 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty much what science is all about
< 1318758459 961606 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I thought that was what you did.
< 1318758480 192347 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :form misguided opinions sure. but they're not strongly held.
< 1318758491 261908 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor do I relentlessly pursue them.
< 1318758532 246926 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps apathy is my shortcoming. :P
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< 1318758652 335662 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__:  hmmm, okay so what happens when you have some long-standing piece of memory that is not intended to be persistent, and so becomes serialized "accidentally."  is this a fault of the application programmer(s) or the system programmer(s).
< 1318758662 261365 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I assume that you will instantly logread this when you come back?
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< 1318758682 306147 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for it....

< 1318758727 68242 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so you're not in stalker mode right now? :(
< 1318758734 630342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1318758739 19959 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :? is no
< 1318758744 395629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION logreads.

< 1318758747 759377 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOO
< 1318758751 655541 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CAN COPYpaste
< 1318758752 965158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:50:52:  elliott__: hmmm, okay so what happens when you have some long-standing piece of memory that is not intended to be persistent, and so becomes serialized "accidentally." is this a fault of the application programmer(s) or the system programmer(s).
< 1318758759 355062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: What happens when you have a purple banana?
< 1318758773 196761 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't believe I understand how that's a relevant response... sorry
< 1318758775 219761 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :over my head.
< 1318758784 123256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: What long-standing pieces of memory should not be persisted?
< 1318758785 907014 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :purple bananas and programming are new to me.
< 1318758803 635670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What large, long-living pieces of information do you want to be completely lost whenever somebody cuts the power? And why?
< 1318758851 374471 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Viruses
< 1318758860 372323 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, my answer would be kind of  tautalogical, and I can't think of a good example. But I'm sure there's lot of OO programs that have some weird monolith things that sit around in the background with lots of memory specific to a current session that isn't intended to "run into" the next invocation of the program.
< 1318758862 863654 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you want them lost anyway
< 1318758882 997047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: ok. let me know when you have a real example!
< 1318758889 115351 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I suppose most of this data would be overwritten anyways.
< 1318758893 984670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there is no "current session".
< 1318758902 141817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In an orthogonally persisted system, there are no shut downs, no reboots, nothing.
< 1318758909 247163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is a continuous live environment.
< 1318758924 564911 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right. so that means there's huge compatability issues if you tried to run an existing program in that environment.
< 1318758936 254364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shutting down is simply causing a persistence cycle and cutting the power; restoring restores the set of objects needed to get the scheduler going, and continues as normal.
< 1318758939 876414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: No.
< 1318758951 46942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Existing programs -- with an appropriate emulation layer -- simply see a system that never shuts down.
< 1318758960 575426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, things that care about the clock skipping will fail, but that's, like, ntp.
< 1318758965 762498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Everything has to handle this today. You know why?
< 1318758969 450067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because /hibernate exists/.
< 1318758970 765162 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also that makes hard shutdowns way more problematic as that last persistence cycle may not be run.
< 1318758986 783433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hibernate is the dumbest, most brutal form of orthogonal persistence, and it means everyone already has to take like 90 percent of the steps.
< 1318759003 23399 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? I thought hibernate was somewhat transparent.
< 1318759007 678707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sessions are no longer continuous in real-time; network resources can drop in an instance for any program. It's okay, everybody handles this.
< 1318759010 903033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: So is orthogonal persistence.
< 1318759013 924046 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the application doesn't really have to care because /everything/ is persisted.
< 1318759017 324184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: So is orthogonal persistence.
< 1318759023 247078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't make cutting a network connection transparent.
< 1318759024 26219 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm...
< 1318759029 863556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: also that makes hard shutdowns way more problematic as that last persistence cycle may not be run.
< 1318759035 55275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow, you might lose like TEN SECONDS of data.
< 1318759046 129433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much worse than the everything you lose with current systems.
< 1318759046 499587 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1318759056 167481 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I think I understand.
< 1318759071 957749 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because everything in the last persistence cycle is in a consistent state.
< 1318759093 568810 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :except all of those volatile chunks suddenly get lost.
< 1318759115 271148 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming the program continues where it left off this would be problematic.
< 1318759133 422328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You definitely want to maintain consistency, which is a tricky problem if you prune the set of objects to persist. But you can basically do it by persisting the current continuation of the process.
< 1318759140 732367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which you basically have to anyway.
< 1318759149 297281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it's as simple as: Whatever the continuation points to.
< 1318759160 637134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When the continuation gets re-persisted, so do all the objects it references.
< 1318759178 461278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it created some ephemeral objects then threw them away, they won't be persisted; just a sample of them, every few seconds.
< 1318759179 889588 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't resume exactly where you left off ---- aaaaah no I see.
< 1318759197 427970 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you return the last consistent point in the program execution.
< 1318759199 442823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yeah, you persist the loop index that will last another microsecond, but it's not that often, so who cares?
< 1318759200 262320 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to the
< 1318759227 344779 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmmmmmm
< 1318759255 119825 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :still depending on where it saves you may end up with some local variables that are suddenly gone.
< 1318759263 10065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope.
< 1318759271 486847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what a current continuation is?
< 1318759289 113582 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it includes the stack, yes?
< 1318759294 659663 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I have an idea of what it is.
< 1318759300 567757 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how are @, mcmap, mchost, and whatever else going?
< 1318759301 651502 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the low-level details.
< 1318759317 778513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The low level details are irrelevant; a higher-level detail will be more conducive to understanding.
< 1318759338 148313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current continuation contains the entire rest of the execution; therefore it necessarily contains a reference to every object in the process that is not garbage.
< 1318759338 337068 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the current continuation is essentially the current visible state of the program, right?
< 1318759359 64873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That includes the ephemeral loop index.
< 1318759363 15580 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1318759378 508676 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then the persistence cycle saves everything relevant, not based on generation?
< 1318759390 831095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no special-casing.
< 1318759414 200837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every ten seconds or so, the persistence engine saves everything in the third generation or later.
< 1318759421 446305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That includes the current continuations of the running processes.
< 1318759423 12721 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay. well yeah if you save the entire current continuation, no problem.
< 1318759431 736838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is called orthogonal persistence.
< 1318759447 825447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with saving things like loop indices or tables that only last for ten milliseconds is not because it uses space or anything.
< 1318759451 949116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's because it'd thrash your disk.
< 1318759454 198580 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were implying that those local variables which are probably not third generation do not get included.
< 1318759475 821200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I only mean that if you have a loop index which only lasts three seconds and there's no persistence cycle done, it'll be garbage collected and never persisted.
< 1318759489 546707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm backporting concepts slightly; @ has no concept of process.)
< 1318759510 405774 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, okay.
< 1318759535 172896 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that's fine, except for the aforementioned disk thrashing, also performance issues maybe?
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< 1318759574 488199 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's implied.
< 1318759576 972601 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in thrashing.
< 1318759580 106660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What performance thrashing?
< 1318759583 705741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What disk thrashing?
< 1318759587 139837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's every ten seconds.
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< 1318759595 483962 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:03 < elliott> The problem with saving things like loop indices or tables  that only last for ten milliseconds is not because it uses  space or anything.
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< 1318759598 490760 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:04 < elliott> It's because it'd thrash your disk.
< 1318759604 526729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why you don't do that.
< 1318759608 320497 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1318759609 803335 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1318759612 100886 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind :P
< 1318759614 16903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, jesus christ Ngevd just came in here for like five seconds.
< 1318759621 408581 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :he.
< 1318759624 320339 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :....h
< 1318759630 808071 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a very drawn out heh
< 1318759654 411103 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh heh heh
< 1318759699 799410 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so you also have to save everything that's been context switched to in the past 10 seconds
< 1318759703 435573 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might be a lot of data?
< 1318759746 40877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you can prioritise that.
< 1318759764 252025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I'm sure your OS writes to disk more than you think too in general operation.
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< 1318759799 551089 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question: how hard is it to connect a python program and a haskell program so they work together?
< 1318759880 327951 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have a little disk usage meter that tells me how often it does that.
< 1318759901 63872 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better question:
< 1318759909 874160 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: with IPC not difficult
< 1318759915 610889 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that's not what you mean though.
< 1318759932 249977 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I get a rng in Haskell?
< 1318759944 338022 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/random? :P
< 1318759956 288780 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's answered in Learn You A Haskell
< 1318759969 217825 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, a rng? you mean a prng right?
< 1318759987 966585 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there an IO function in haskell to get a random seed?
< 1318759994 903 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it's non-IO after that
< 1318760011 753322 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1318760015 28933 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :getStdGen I believe.
< 1318760034 130832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t withStdGen
< 1318760034 976270 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `withStdGen'
< 1318760037 142487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1318760037 471789 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed he meant an actual random number generator.
< 1318760039 529687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle withStd
< 1318760039 887496 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found
< 1318760058 18426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AS I WAS SAYING,
< 1318760060 265913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :getStdRandom :: (StdGen -> (a, StdGen)) -> IO a
< 1318760062 974169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is usually more useful imo
< 1318760081 803896 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: okay so if not processes then what does @ have?
< 1318760092 139019 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chapter 8 of LYAH confuses me
< 1318760100 931889 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also do you need any help with @? :3   No I don't expect to be able to do gory system stuff effectively.
< 1318760105 216584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Stuff. And no.
< 1318760133 323432 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes stuff is a good model for anything.
< 1318760250 471553 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you still need the concept of a file I'd think. or at least, a store of data that isn't ever put into memory until demanded.
< 1318760274 192265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's called... anything.
< 1318760283 465664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would anything be put into memory if it wasn't demanded?
< 1318760332 173958 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose. but then you also need to have a filesystem of some kind.
< 1318760335 371405 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, anything-system.
< 1318760365 304645 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do I put my music collection in @? :P
< 1318760396 84944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I really have to ask at this point if your first response to not being able to think of a way to do something is to declare it must be done some other way.
< 1318760401 477771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've done it about ten times.
< 1318760490 458408 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say that it must be done some other way at all. Just that you probably want these additional concepts to allow you to refer to segments of memory-stuff between processes (or stuffs, since they're not processes)
< 1318760505 877266 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :re: filesystem
< 1318760520 94841 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that you probably want some kind of structure to this method of sharing data.
< 1318760520 241470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but seriously, you've used argument by incredulity about ten times to declare that you'd still want a filesystem.
< 1318760524 716026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not once have you been correct.
< 1318760566 298301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway.
< 1318760575 312154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: You put your music collection in the most convenient data structure to hand.
< 1318760586 806586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a set of tracks.
< 1318760592 739011 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I am literally just talking to you about this model... not like, suggesting that you need to a filesystem. I am indirectly wondering, how do  you solve the problems that a filesystem solves in this system?
< 1318760626 801232 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no argument from my part.
< 1318760656 950907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I answered you.
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< 1318760683 333099 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there much point upgrading ubuntu to oneiric ocelot?
< 1318760690 101394 :ranzz_die!~buterfly_@203.78.122.79 NICK :ranzz_die123
< 1318760691 802673 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how they're stored, sure. not how they're shared
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< 1318760698 272064 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: no. unity is bad.
< 1318760700 407193 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't do it.
< 1318760701 230559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip ranzz_die
< 1318760704 187272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: pre-oneiric has unity too
< 1318760709 161083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : how they're stored, sure. not how they're shared
< 1318760712 155149 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm already on Natty Narwhal
< 1318760713 304070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by "shared"
< 1318760743 110879 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can a music player access the music?
< 1318760747 139445 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume
< 1318760753 403931 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know what CakeProphet is thinking
< 1318760770 537652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I asked.
< 1318760773 844515 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, assuming you have more than one program running (not a process, but stuff or whatever they are), you probably want the data that they generate and manipulate to be accessible to other programs that perform a different task, perhaps even without these programs knowing that they may need to communicate with one another specifically.
< 1318760799 551562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah -- they should magically communicate without intent?
< 1318760813 529021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I would like a computer that reads my mind too. But seriously, that's about the opposite of a concrete question.
< 1318760843 903477 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one thing a filesystem can do. you give the data names in a hierarchy and then they have names that can be referred to. the data isn't associated with any specific program.
< 1318760870 288511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, filesystems are a recursive map from strings to {filesystem | byte string}.
< 1318760870 614581 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :another program or a human can pass along the name.
< 1318760876 71349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a fairly trivial structure.
< 1318760879 904897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone can implement that given ten minutes.
< 1318760884 908018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also a bad structure for 90 percent of things.
< 1318760906 603559 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, and how is this structure shared between programs? I'm back at my starting question. I don't think it's a difficult question to understand.
< 1318760971 335076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even a question. I mean, entirely apart from having no question mark in your elaboration of it, you're not even asking anything in particular; I can't answer a question I can't even understand. Ask something concrete and maybe you'll have better luck.
< 1318761027 534814 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb|hovercraft
< 1318761064 407820 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am... very surprised that you can't answer that question.
< 1318761085 252527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exciting.
< 1318761086 652473 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and am currently at a lose on how to phrase it more conretely.
< 1318761090 172070 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*loss
< 1318761098 640106 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*concretely
< 1318761099 309144 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1318761115 845378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go back to the music collection thing. That was a coherent question.
< 1318761131 904372 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't collect music, music needs to run free
< 1318761212 708413 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, okay. you have a music collection. it exists as track structures or whatever. typically speaking when you collect music you want this data to exist indepently of any one program (or, rather, most of the programs that use it) I am wondering, how does an arbitrary program get access to this data.
< 1318761261 991623 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, brings up issues of security, "what is a program?", etc. I really don't know enough about this system to ask questions as concretely as you most likely want. I was kind of hoping you would just explain how that facet of it works.
< 1318761268 494043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By being passed a reference to it.
< 1318761273 296162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like everything a program needs.
< 1318761285 91293 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318761344 527168 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that would have totally worked as an answer to "how do programs share data?"
< 1318761355 468517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you ever asked that.
< 1318761369 777318 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :... -_-
< 1318761414 516245 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm done now. you win. I won't be bothering you anymore.
< 1318761424 644478 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mission accomplished.
< 1318761432 249698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yess, finally I have won this battle that I was never having
< 1318761452 899082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider maybe dropping the battle rhetoric for once and that instead maybe you might have been unclear.
< 1318761456 375927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets tiring.
< 1318761462 639622 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no not a battle. it seems as though you are being intentionally difficult so that I'll stop asking you all these questions.
< 1318761478 24997 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, have not, at any point, tried to argue anything.
< 1318761486 564090 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :except maybe at the beginning
< 1318761489 510841 :Taneb|hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net NICK :Ngevd
< 1318761500 675172 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :While I had my breakfast, a thought occured
< 1318761512 879096 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shocking!
< 1318761518 979571 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine a probably fictional programming language called Colorado
< 1318761523 605028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Either I'm being intentionally difficult, or you just won't challenge your preconceptions; among them that your questions are clear.
< 1318761528 242511 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name isn't important, but anyway
< 1318761553 693230 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, Colorado has two compilers, Denver and Aspen
< 1318761575 603045 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody writes a text editor in Colorado
< 1318761602 86106 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When compiled by Denver, it's 2 KB
< 1318761610 978591 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When compiled by Aspen, it's 3 KB
< 1318761634 964534 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the Aspen-compiled version runs quicker
< 1318761637 537290 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've challenged plenty of preconceptions throughout the course of this conversation. I'll give you one: it doesn't make sense to have all data orthogonally persistent.
< 1318761642 546661 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the better compiler?
< 1318761665 364393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear, are you arguing about @?
< 1318761666 483800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Aspen.
< 1318761670 901273 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't argue about @.
< 1318761672 642805 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: not /trying/ to argue. :P
< 1318761673 960386 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no point.
< 1318761688 471975 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, now somebody else writes a different program
< 1318761692 812134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, CakeProphet just thinks he's being revolutionary by bringing up things that were solved a few decades ago and then blaming his confusing questions on me.
< 1318761693 560979 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, an image viewer
< 1318761696 691714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's over now.
< 1318761701 617211 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am really just trying to ask questions, but apparently am not being concrete enough. probably because I don't know anything about it.
< 1318761710 611421 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm trying to be revolutionary (....?)
< 1318761720 325692 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The version of this compiled by Denver runs quicker than the version compiled by Aspen
< 1318761754 19613 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there much point for a Colorado programmer to try both compilers for every program he/she writes?
< 1318761766 562471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. (Are these questions meant to be difficult?)
< 1318761772 292436 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really
< 1318761786 24025 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're meant to be ones I don't know the answer to
< 1318761794 903509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it doesn't go too slowly, who cares?
< 1318761878 810411 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I would like to continue, but it appears that our conversations tend to break down easily.
< 1318761888 315452 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I would like to know more about this system.
< 1318761895 199853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. About what?
< 1318761937 967482 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how would a human pass a reference to a program.
< 1318761988 272472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably automatically in this case. But the UI is not one of the most fleshed-out parts of @. (OK, it has had a lot of thinking done to it, but it's mostly in disparate fragments right now.)
< 1318761991 167310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the object-capability model, anyway.
< 1318762044 926262 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I apologize for phrasing my questions in ways that I'm accustomed to thinking about them. it's not intended to be argumentative.
< 1318762053 747079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say anything.
< 1318762098 259954 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was attempting to resolve some unresolved misunderstandings. nevermind. no need, I guess?
< 1318762233 836033 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do you forsee it making sense to interact with this system via a terminal with line-based commands, perhaps?
< 1318762319 171422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The @ UI is really not something I can make even vaguely concrete statements about. But it is likely to be more linguistic than WIMP, and I have little interest in supporting the lower-resolution (some only supporting a limited resolution of fixed-width glyphs, often erroneously called "text" modes) graphics modes.
< 1318762336 683804 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do see how you could liberate the dependence on a filesystem by having long-running programs that manage specific kinds of data for you.
< 1318762346 358784 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"long-running" being a bit misleading.
< 1318762370 879669 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just sort of existing, forever, to be invoked.
< 1318762371 43305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no real program involved in maintaining a set of trakcs.
< 1318762373 555118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tracks.
< 1318762387 738756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a set of course contains code in some sense, since you can perform operations on a set.
< 1318762426 551557 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so these structures you refer to are themselves programs, and not merely inactive data. There is no distinction here.
< 1318762462 578410 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...is that... too vague?
< 1318762510 6971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weeeell, I think words like active vs. inactive are way too emotionally charged to be useful for much.
< 1318762519 421833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case, it's just... a set.
< 1318762523 726924 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.. don't think of them as such, but okay.
< 1318762569 954534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to define "active".
< 1318762580 849400 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay perhaps a better question. How do you define a structure?
< 1318762607 857045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :An object; entity; value; call it what you will. Imagine a value in .
< 1318762613 185391 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay.
< 1318762631 935083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Perl though.
< 1318762637 101673 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but these entities are universally accepted by any program, so there is some sort of concrete implementation involved.
< 1318762642 311683 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1318762645 239339 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not universally
< 1318762646 807705 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any program
< 1318762650 705153 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but accepted by programs. :P
< 1318762660 305244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the @ system is based on a single object model.
< 1318762692 213145 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/implementation/representation/   so yeah that answers that.
< 1318762695 260650 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of.
< 1318762701 372113 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very clear on how it works though
< 1318762710 445544 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My favorite programming language has no values, you insensitive clod!
< 1318762727 794979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Just imagine a single language runtime underpinning the whole system; that's the easiest way to understand it.
< 1318762731 524599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not entirely accurate, but close.
< 1318762736 934308 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's what I imagined.
< 1318762744 645390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Smalltalk is a good starting point.)
< 1318762766 891224 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so would you say it's... object-oriented? minus the connotations.
< 1318762780 623687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it mean minus the connotations? Sincere question.
< 1318762796 839059 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in like... object-oriented but with a sensible model.
< 1318762807 256328 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not invoking images of Java...
< 1318762808 734172 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically
< 1318762814 263025 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Smalltalk is a good starting point, then it is VERY object-oriented
< 1318762826 363242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Probably not in any way you're thinking of, no.
< 1318762832 727593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe also a bit of yes. But no. But yes.
< 1318762835 442884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no, really, no.
< 1318762838 432457 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but very much like smalltalk?
< 1318762839 515074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is primarily functional.
< 1318762840 336348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1318762844 520953 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay.
< 1318762845 32963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said Smalltalk was a good starting point.
< 1318762849 667842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unix etc. are just that much further off.
< 1318762857 263018 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes these questions are all an attempt to get more details out of what you mean by that. :P
< 1318762867 761402 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Object-oriented Haskell! :P
< 1318762882 5955 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like the idea of all data being represented as code-stuffs.
< 1318762900 305931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Church encoding.
< 1318762902 639205 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1318762914 274398 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe with some primitive notion of data underneath.
< 1318762940 944196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Church encoding doesn't buy you much.
< 1318762951 814816 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right I don't mean strictly Church encoding.
< 1318762962 791018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fold-based representation isn't particularly desirable, and anyway it's literally isomorphic to just using constructor bits as God intended and separating data out properly.
< 1318762971 976414 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I am one of the few people who like Unity, should I upgrade Ubuntu?
< 1318762978 531394 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have a set and the set is represented by the code that controls it.
< 1318762987 167302 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's almost like OO....
< 1318762988 907993 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a way.
< 1318762994 130680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: What control?
< 1318762996 340579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no control.
< 1318763007 326272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sets are just set; abstract objects with a defined set of operations.
< 1318763011 243389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/set/sets/
< 1318763013 53452 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If I am one of the few people who like Unity, should I _?" "No."; "If _, should I upgrade Ubuntu?" "No."
< 1318763015 478582 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... what I meant.
< 1318763016 515829 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell.
< 1318763105 91825 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so internally you're passing around something akin to Haskell constructors or C structs, with associated operations?
< 1318763113 125133 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, conversation killer
< 1318763121 29755 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, referring to.
< 1318763129 475114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: The low-level details are unlikely to aid in understanding here; they're essentially interchangable.
< 1318763144 364949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The operators wouldn't be passed around with the data itself; that's simply wasteful.
< 1318763146 54172 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, I lag
< 1318763161 195897 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a tad annoyin
< 1318763161 816083 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :g
< 1318763166 839336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have two sets, you don't want to pass the set operations twice.
< 1318763188 146602 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well right. I didn't really mean that you pass around the operations.
< 1318763249 274342 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in much the same way that you wouldn't actually pass the data, merely references.
< 1318763423 730054 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318763428 268997 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so regarding the music tracks and not having a daemon program to manage them. How do you keep a music collection from being garbage collected?
< 1318763470 246824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By holding a reference to it.
< 1318763493 911454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably in whatever roughly constitutes the system's idea of you.
< 1318763527 827348 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so there will never be a point where no program references the music, unless you want it to go away.
< 1318763599 643721 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because many programs don't really quit.
< 1318763621 227733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more data than program here.
< 1318763690 886458 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what you mean by that.
< 1318763726 236962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's data holding the references.
< 1318763745 561947 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, but then said data is then being referenced by a program, right?
< 1318763769 204445 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it wouldn't exist
< 1318763784 653789 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or will die swiftly.
< 1318763800 878469 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the hands of the mighty garbage collector.
< 1318763852 89617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no concept of program.
< 1318763867 536042 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I..... okay.
< 1318763976 513488 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you write for @ that makes things happen? for want of better terminology.
< 1318764024 449121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Code.
< 1318764033 234408 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not programs.
< 1318764056 515125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed.
< 1318764059 873023 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps my confusion is evident.
< 1318764082 7839 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, it doesn't divide code into little packages called 'programs'.
< 1318764105 81783 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe my confusion is such a permanent force of nature that it's simply taken for granted at this point.
< 1318764117 801384 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like water.
< 1318764128 361886 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's like... one giant meta-program?
< 1318764194 20405 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it just generalized code to data, and so the structure of the data somewhat determines what is executed.
< 1318764211 213208 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm probably wrong.
< 1318764340 775559 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not that complicated.
< 1318764362 498176 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but the idea is completely foreign to me, and little information about it has been given.
< 1318764364 316317 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a typical modern OS, you have executable files, and these are what most of us mean by 'program'.
< 1318764379 792155 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I meant it in a more abstract sense. but yes, that's how such a thing is represented.
< 1318764401 658171 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even interpreted languages package code into files.
< 1318764406 540450 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1318764422 413522 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In @, code doesn't exist in files, so there's no subdivision imposed.
< 1318764445 828433 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you would still write..... programs right? bits of code, I guess.
< 1318764512 749930 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the subdivision could easily exist if you wanted it to, if you subdivided programs into blocks of memory.
< 1318764535 930273 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, I guess you don't want that subdivision? you have a different model?
< 1318764577 684130 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There *is* no subdivision, unless you explicitly create one.
< 1318764587 628035 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... what I said, basically.
< 1318764608 308090 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what are you failing to understand?
< 1318764613 651452 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how that works.
< 1318764617 883540 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice.
< 1318764633 75890 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does the code get executed.
< 1318764650 972219 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :when does it start.
< 1318764652 597110 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A function in it gets called by already-running code.
< 1318764718 168561 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so @ isn't really an operating system.
< 1318764741 191629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually a chocolate bar.
< 1318764748 525296 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's orthogonal persistence and an object model.
< 1318764768 170911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unix isn't an operating system; it's just a task switcher and a hierarchical store.
< 1318764905 61318 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a bunch of syscalls.
< 1318764908 637861 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unix does provide an abstraction for subdividing segments of code from one another though. i.e. there are processes, and executable files. I assume to have any kind of semblance of order you would need a system that does something like that (but NOT the same thing. I am trying to challenge my preconceived notions here)
< 1318764928 200657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, we all need arbitrary distinctions to stay sane.
< 1318764942 317210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is inconceivable that code could be well-contained enough that a single system could interoperate as a whole.
< 1318764959 324413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We demand impenetrable barriers that require obtuse duplicate mechanisms (IPC, anyone?) to work around.
< 1318764973 422714 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's completely conceivable, you just haven't told me what that system is yet.
< 1318765001 161386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"System" refers to @ there.
< 1318765016 99380 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I know @ is just a monolith with no way to place your own code into that system.
< 1318765045 40120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You execute code. That's what users do.
< 1318765046 527544 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's just this ephemeral thing called @ and can somehow interoperate as a whole but that's all I know.
< 1318765080 726499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, this is the state known as "not knowing @".
< 1318765087 551523 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct.
< 1318765093 695016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is horrible.
< 1318765119 618516 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I somehow learn about @ without requiring extensive knowledge of it already to ask the right questions?
< 1318765131 218907 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get the right answers
< 1318765171 797787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes: Ask questions without attaching your presumptions of the answers to them, and they'll be much easier to answer.
< 1318765186 948605 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can one develop programs using @?
< 1318765197 562910 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: no such things
< 1318765203 858704 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't attach preconceived notions.
< 1318765204 5462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: One does not.
< 1318765211 511167 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the equivalent thereof
< 1318765216 766238 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no equivalent
< 1318765217 497644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I see you're uninterested in learning.
< 1318765223 869199 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :again a preconceived notion.
< 1318765245 920957 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What features will @ have that an end-user would like to know about?
< 1318765268 913200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: No Unity support.
< 1318765283 459443 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text editor?
< 1318765285 912735 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Image editor?
< 1318765288 627575 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Music player?
< 1318765291 184724 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Web browser?
< 1318765300 909157 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: uninterested in having my questions dismissed because they're not phrased in the language of a system I know nothing about.
< 1318765313 275628 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brain editor
< 1318765323 848025 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: interested in learning, yes. of course.
< 1318765337 451562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: One could compose an obsolete string type, I suppose, sure. Not sure why you would. Image editing I don't have any personal plans to write but it would be perfectly possible and more natural than most such systems. But really, those are all applications, so to speak; @ is very much document-centric.
< 1318765368 465415 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How will documents be created then?
< 1318765371 565745 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in what format?
< 1318765383 265487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up to you.
< 1318765398 541227 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how do I decide.
< 1318765402 873114 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of tools will be available for document creation?
< 1318765408 348164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But really, my focus is not on what the user-facing end is at this point. I'm not going to waste my time thinking about something that's many years off.
< 1318765418 117227 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough
< 1318765423 869506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot just design this mythical perfect system with a bunch of applications and expect it to come true; there are hard problems to be solved at the lower layers.
< 1318765491 394563 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is subdividing and controlling units of code a problem that as been solved or something that you don't even intend to consider a problem?
< 1318765507 595653 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or somewhere inbetween?
< 1318765513 894028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Module systems are a well-researched field.
< 1318765521 684196 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : How will documents be created then?
< 1318765521 915653 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : And in what format?
< 1318765537 838870 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're arbitrary formatting objects.
< 1318765602 215015 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there /is/ no format: after all, formats only exist because we need to serialise the in-memory representation of a document onto a disk.
< 1318765673 350878 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am mostly confused about issues of multitasking and control flow. How data is represented and controlled makes sense now, for the most part.
< 1318765712 873111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :76% [14 libstdc++6-4.3-dev 22389/1420kB 1%]                         2073kB/s 3s
< 1318765713 744100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww ye
< 1318765724 955768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unfortunately that's my server getting dem speeds.)
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< 1318770057 700873 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
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< 1318770143 912631 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jell-O!
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< 1318770886 34393 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :�lk�� uskoko itse�nne viisaampia valheita
< 1318770898 888357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1318770920 268765 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know elliott you are a real person
< 1318770926 189746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1318770973 70075 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know you like to think that but you're just another human
< 1318770989 486014 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anti-solipsism would be weird
< 1318771000 963957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i'm actually a rat.
< 1318771002 726344 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we've discussed that here
< 1318771013 229282 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, not as weird as solipsist missionaries
< 1318771017 752553 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, we've discussed solipsi... right
< 1318771018 254988 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those
< 1318771028 126829 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially those
< 1318771041 772686 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rejoice! only you exist!
< 1318771055 403661 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that annoying neighbor is just an illusion!
< 1318771076 407886 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, an annoyingly persistent one.
< 1318771102 110099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: excuse me
< 1318771102 604740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I
< 1318771103 589824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :invented
< 1318771104 17888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those
< 1318771133 716647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still can't figure out if they'd convince others that they didn't exist or that only they existed.
< 1318771152 767204 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: probably there'd be some terrible schism
< 1318771186 104471 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Only I exist!" "No, only _you_ exist!" wait, what.
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< 1318771220 285016 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thought of there being and afterlife (more like betweenlife) where you get scored and use your points to buy your next life is so cool i have started to somewhat believe that
< 1318771225 13364 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*an
< 1318771262 869413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you like distribute stats
< 1318771271 601069 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that sounds like my worst nightmare.
< 1318771282 615132 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose you need a shitload of points to buy memories of your previous lives
< 1318771299 983486 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah have fun as a cockroach
< 1318771305 632184 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwahaha
< 1318771307 600343 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so mean
< 1318771314 775926 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that what you meant
< 1318771321 529098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no that sounds great i'd be like ok let's try being an idiot this time (that is what happened this time around)
< 1318771351 311921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scandals_with_%22-gate%22_suffix
< 1318771355 915588 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well it's clearly time for the cockroaches to RULE
< 1318771372 889309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Utegate – A June 2009 political incident around the lending of a utility vehicle ("ute") to Australian Labor Prime Minister Kevin Rudd by car dealer John Grant, and subsequent allegations of improper favorable treatment of Grant by the Treasury department.[74]
< 1318771431 194781 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, good old K-Rudd
< 1318771602 176674 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why people can't decide whether it's about environment or genetics, it's about *soul* genetics and *soul* environment from your past lives (yeah, there's sex in betweenlife. a fuckload of it.)
< 1318771607 293945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fajitagate – In November 2002, three off-duty San Francisco police officers allegedly assaulted two civilians over a bag of steak fajitas (which were mistaken as drugs), leading to the retirement of the chief of police and the firing of his successor.[53]
< 1318771610 207899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fajitagate
< 1318771633 704506 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toiletgate
< 1318771635 233089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sexy Photo Gate – The 2008 scandal in Hong Kong concerning illegal distribution over the Internet of intimate and private photographs of actor/singer Edison Chen with various notable celebrities, destroying the showbiz careers of all those involved.[27]
< 1318771635 396744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE NOT EVEN TRYING
< 1318771644 883399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S JUST TWO WORDS PLUS "GATE" THEY AREN'T EVEN MUSHED TOGETHER
< 1318771716 192901 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nordre Gate
< 1318771716 339674 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe someone should investigate this gate conspiracy. of course we all know the name of the scandal that would lead to.
< 1318771779 149750 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gategate (2)
< 1318771781 648023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :investigate
< 1318771787 260932 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going for #2
< 1318771801 216730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :investigate is definitely better it is less obvious
< 1318771805 454629 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1318771810 542453 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i was going for it
< 1318771817 852412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that was first here
< 1318771823 503002 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :interrogate
< 1318771859 527779 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ?
< 1318771864 108306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol:
< 1318771864 370728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : investigate
< 1318771864 547849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gategate (2)
< 1318771866 40576 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1318771867 16123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what it looked like here
< 1318771873 912420 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it just after asking
< 1318771901 522129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hey oklopol how is your ... theses ... doings
< 1318771931 125121 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's dropped it, zzo38 has convinced him to switch to astrology
< 1318771949 930575 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't even started my phd yet :( but planning to start after the exams next week, i think i know my topic now at least
< 1318771980 571101 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG I just got a chocolate pope hat BEST DAY EVER
< 1318771986 823971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION eats it.

< 1318772006 221039 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's on the role of saturn in horoscopes. it's being done completely wrong nowadays.
< 1318772008 72508 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : [...] (yeah, there's sex in betweenlife. a fuckload of it.) <-- i am starting to warm to this idea
< 1318772038 141787 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably write a book about it
< 1318772063 490342 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, really? That line turned me off the idea a lot
< 1318772069 152797 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah a book about ring theory
< 1318772075 470894 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: PRUDE
< 1318772080 638830 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: ?
< 1318772106 504126 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Betweenlife;
< 1318772109 142831 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*?
< 1318772124 336221 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: don't worry, people will handle your vagina much more gently in the betweenlife
< 1318772125 422939 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear, oklopol met Ngevd. I hope they never shake hands.
< 1318772127 597643 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318772131 830625 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
< 1318772173 667032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Ngevd is taneb hth
< 1318772191 634991 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Phantom_Hoover eats it. <-- BUT BUT how can you then use it in a plot to get the _real_ pope hat?
< 1318772193 26807 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hehe, can you come up with an astrology version of "cantor type subshifts in the besicovitch and weyl topologies"
< 1318772195 497521 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1318772210 947929 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, curses!
< 1318772213 90387 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i had a hunch that might be it
< 1318772216 609967 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, yes.
< 1318772297 616866 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: not on the spot, no
< 1318772339 494700 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither :/
< 1318772351 446340 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what was that a yes to, taneb?
< 1318772404 469517 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, to Cantor type subshifts in the Besicovitch and Weyl topologies.
< 1318772512 726976 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1318772787 10938 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you told me oerjan *can* come up with one?
< 1318772792 635800 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense
< 1318772820 962808 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I believe in oerjan.
< 1318772874 989 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did I say yes?
< 1318772915 454493 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have been saying 'yes' your whole life; you have yet to realise.
< 1318772928 535178 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: you just misparsed my inparsible sentence.
< 1318772950 224710 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, maybe that's why you don't like sex
< 1318772956 649172 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean what ph said
< 1318772982 132209 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should stop picking on you and use elliott instead, he deserves it more
< 1318772991 977428 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fuck you although i do kind of like you as a person
< 1318773020 267648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1318773027 58583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am pretty terrible yeah
< 1318773037 741728 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The worst.
< 1318773055 216921 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what about elliott's eviller triplet, Facekicker McHird?
< 1318773083 845178 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i would certainly fuck him him too if he came here.
< 1318773086 70303 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(From Cursebacon.)
< 1318773131 854194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What none of you realise is that I... am..... the Facekicker.........
< 1318773137 688974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just adopted the other Elliott's identity.
< 1318773161 167777 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, my theory is that Facekicker is future you sent back in time with neutrinos.
< 1318773174 608338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh yeah, are you gonna ragequit reality when it turns out ftl is possible
< 1318773178 318738 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i had a brother who is the future.
< 1318773184 415193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I realise oklopol may find this offensive.
< 1318773215 104296 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-98.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318773227 256587 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i have no problem with whole futures being sent back, just objects from the future
< 1318773233 345108 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least not a priori
< 1318773244 361073 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it i suppose that's just as bad
< 1318773247 642127 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-216-135.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1318773257 439245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you heard the neutrino thing right
< 1318773261 617670 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1318773269 47837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on, i want some oklopol time travel rage
< 1318773280 962612 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i called my dad and told him his crazy physicist friend was right all along
< 1318773298 764500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDD
< 1318773306 388651 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the sine of an angle unitless?
< 1318773314 786971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: btw are there any updates on that neutrino thing
< 1318773324 978058 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I know of.
< 1318773332 873331 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, yes, because angles are unitless.
< 1318773343 692482 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry, i'm reserving my rage for more concrete things nowadays, trying to steer clear of religion and time travel
< 1318773371 60377 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, come on, you've heard of radians.
< 1318773378 444853 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you like to think of a degree as a unit
< 1318773396 321111 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I count the radian as a unit of angle
< 1318773406 63129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: radians are not a unit
< 1318773431 750098 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they aren't
< 1318773433 363929 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1318773435 279500 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, just like pointers should be thought of as just integers you can add and multiply with each other
< 1318773437 518359 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not know that
< 1318773437 983754 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs types
< 1318773460 333169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i realise you're being sarcastic but how are radians a unit
< 1318773466 127698 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah they aren't a unit in the physical sense
< 1318773466 294373 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is the sine of a right angle the same no matter how you measure the right angle?
< 1318773529 738872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, if you use a metric ruler it's 0.9 off
< 1318773532 106578 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not in the physical sense, but you should really think of the radians as points on an isomorphic copy of R/2*pi*Z, not as regular reals.
< 1318773596 529584 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no updates but a constant stream of people insulting the scientists' intelligence by claiming the error is something stupidly obvious to anyone with a physics degree, see http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/lc0vv/fasterthanlight_neutrino_puzzle_claimed_solved_by/?limit=500
< 1318773611 153812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you mean like ais? :D
< 1318773621 215296 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...maybe.
< 1318773650 300110 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone who thinks they haven't _properly considered the effects of relativity_...
< 1318773658 182615 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
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< 1318773707 678815 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: usually the sine is defined using radians, the degree circle thingie should be thought of as the constant 2pi/360 and radians shouldn't be given a unit, although you might wanna put (rad) after your number to avoid confusion
< 1318773727 304015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so hey remember the Cube
< 1318773730 311972 :invariable!~root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Client Quit
< 1318773732 641943 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just trying to work out which one python used
< 1318773733 696517 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by degree circle thingie i mean that funny little circle hovering in the air for fun
< 1318773738 152477 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :radians
< 1318773739 677409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh PH
< 1318773740 38101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PH
< 1318773740 682914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit
< 1318773741 323389 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out it's radios
< 1318773741 834027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'll be back
< 1318773743 809894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to link oklopol to the thing
< 1318773745 406865 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ans
< 1318773793 525468 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: i'd say sines are unitless even if you don't consider the angles to be
< 1318773799 225408 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always radians, since all the math computer people use without understanding them when writing libraries works in radians, so you'd have to convert back and forth otherwise
< 1318773809 113810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: remember the cube
< 1318773814 933495 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318773822 630903 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brilliant, that's that sorted
< 1318773832 40030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: link oklopol to the gravity thing, he saw it but didn't see the multi-planet options
< 1318773839 754987 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :all them math people use without understanding them. so i suppose math is the plural and maths is the singular
< 1318773842 686507 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.matthen.com/javascript/gravity.html
< 1318773849 330824 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sure
< 1318773858 799673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i'm bringing that shit back
< 1318773859 683949 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i promise to remember it
< 1318773862 820448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also yeah there's the gravity link
< 1318773864 794123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :click it
< 1318773866 278079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjpoy
< 1318773874 204179 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you elliott, i click whatever i want
< 1318773878 347601 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance that link
< 1318773954 437705 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i put two planets in there and hit the sun after two tounds
< 1318773956 798112 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rounds
< 1318773963 416437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: congratulations
< 1318774004 255486 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i'm congratulating myself like an asshole on meth for being right earlier
< 1318774016 360474 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK so I suggest anyone who says their mind is blown after learning anything be shot on sight.
< 1318774042 234380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: how were you right
< 1318774070 9577 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how are orbits stable if i keep hitting the planets & sun?
< 1318774080 830853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: because the planets and sun are tiny and your ship is fucking huge in this?
< 1318774093 289829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1318774097 468351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not my fault you can't establish an orbit
< 1318774103 510317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Phantom_Hoover is quite good at it
< 1318774114 32237 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the master of Hohmann transfers.
< 1318774132 435464 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not saying i can't establish an orbit, i'm saying orbits don't seem to be very stable
< 1318774135 504468 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318774143 477241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you say that if you haven't established one
< 1318774175 882252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you've done stable orbits with it right
< 1318774176 290211 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1318774188 946875 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1318774196 197921 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "orbits aren't stable" i don't actually mean a stable orbit isn't stable. i mean if you put shit in the simulator, they do not form nice orbits
< 1318774203 133219 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there are many of them
< 1318774207 568585 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like in real life, then?
< 1318774210 640280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that happen in real life
< 1318774211 131867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1318774235 259517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you did basically start off saying that two-dee newtonian gravity wouldn't work well at all but it seems to be as working as well as these things work :P
< 1318774249 366321 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care about real life, but yes, it's possible 3d works just as bad, i haven't tried.
< 1318774255 855177 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, incidentally, do you know of any undecidable/turing-equivalent problems in graph theory?
< 1318774276 800294 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well rewriting problems ofv
< 1318774279 295277 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ofc
< 1318774291 350158 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, sorry, add 'colouring' in there.
< 1318774333 897669 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what do you mean seems to work as well as these things work? i don't care about realism, i care about getting interesting orbits
< 1318774347 446738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well i mean
< 1318774351 730114 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me, or is WP down?
< 1318774354 718577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what is your standard for interesting orbits if nothing that exists
< 1318774363 76571 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1318774367 229087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: just you (isup.me)
< 1318774428 380508 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that things often eventually start going around each other in stable ellipsoids from a random initial config?
< 1318774451 735253 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, that happens in the sim.
< 1318774465 718193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things either get ejected or form stable orbits.
< 1318774510 382867 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah maybe, i suppose with a huge amount of objects this would be nice enough
< 1318774538 976032 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a big thing and a small thing, they will usually be pretty stable at least
< 1318774544 919440 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just look at the 4-star system.
< 1318774553 680205 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have multiple big things, they start a fight
< 1318774576 81410 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i'm looking at that right now, one of the four starts flew off and hit my ship
< 1318774588 650462 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :after i pressed a key for like a millisecond
< 1318774595 768780 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaand i'm off to space
< 1318774633 456446 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later
< 1318774637 955088 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah i dunno how this would work if you have enough objects that you can afford most of them hitting each other
< 1318774643 882647 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps really neatly
< 1318774699 30827 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, nice spaghetti these guys are drawing
< 1318774758 121677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you had a billion objects......
< 1318774779 161008 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i think i'm sticking with my idea of having a concept of an orbit in the actual physics. if only because i don't want to use existing ones because this universe kind of sucks ass.
< 1318774953 459648 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :really i want something like minecraft with polygons and space travel
< 1318774975 52969 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and prolly 2d because 3d just feels so old-fashioned and dull
< 1318775052 327202 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexagons might work nicely tho as a primitive shape
< 1318775204 483017 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe that doesn't really integrate into the whole gluing shit together optimization
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< 1318778461 455703 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
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< 1318780266 829543 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318780371 980386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi katak
< 1318780373 294619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome
< 1318780376 916237 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1318780512 403427 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318780553 251024 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and hello again
< 1318780581 819332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1318780678 317465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318782229 401657 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318782398 912425 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-21-30.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318782469 410864 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318782518 941528 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you add up all positive integers will you get -1/12 as the answer?
< 1318782526 992164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1318782542 368397 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... unless you round it
< 1318782552 454186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zeta regularisation is the best thing.
< 1318782681 625170 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you explain how? I do not understand how. I can understand how you can get -1/3 if you add $2^0+2^2+2^4+2^6+2^8+2^10+2^12$ and so on; I have done this calculation myself in various ways and have always gotten the answer -1/3 if you add 2 to power of even natural numbers infinite series.
< 1318782740 636082 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, I thought it was a joke
< 1318782742 193544 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(One way is to write the answer in binary notation, from which it can easily be seen that $3x+1=0$ if $x$ is the answer)
< 1318782751 5297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Z(s) = sum n=1 to inf n^-s
< 1318782758 410968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you can make a sum look like the RHS, you can calculate it with the LHS :-)
< 1318782766 110127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's actually used seriously in some part of string theory, IIRC.
< 1318782772 318382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It certainly gives very pretty results.
< 1318782812 910949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, 1 + 1 + 1 + ... = -1/2 :-)
< 1318782847 546089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the infinite products too: prod n=1 to inf, n = sqrt 2pi.
< 1318783507 88711 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will continue to make the Super ASCII MZX Town (Part II) game. You can tell me ideas if you want to! Like Part I, it is full CP437, it has BIG_MONSTER, and you need all the purple keys. But this one has magic keycards; it has the Star Trek convention; MEDIUM_SIZE_MONSTER ask you for the book, the hat, the clock, and a copy of this game on VHS; there is a secret basement in the library; etc
< 1318783763 535320 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318783779 999608 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the Part I, it has a lot of scrolls, and finite resources (money, ammunition, health, keys, multimeter, etc)
< 1318783781 710615 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...?
< 1318783788 534204 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1318783796 632131 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, World!
< 1318783798 860150 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiya :)
< 1318783989 58193 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the shelf in the library is an optical disc, it is a CD on one side and a DVD on the other side. It contains a game titled "Sub EBCDIC ZZT Village", which claims to be similar to the present game, and contains a reference to an isomorphic but non-existent game. In addition, the game on that disc is licensed under the GNU GPL version 42.
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< 1318784017 754675 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MYSTERIOUS
< 1318784027 468044 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The entire Super ASCII MZX Town series is public domain.)
< 1318784040 121692 :katak!~ok@39.213.222.109 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318784174 669958 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there such things as optical discs that are a CD on one side and a DVD on the other side?
< 1318784203 540236 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why not
< 1318784207 627158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yep
< 1318784210 299189 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, top side and bottom side?
< 1318784217 475023 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Left side and right side would be tricky
< 1318784230 451865 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Yes I mean top side and bottom side
< 1318784240 263453 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's a thing
< 1318784302 31079 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here on a CD is “left” anyway :)
< 1318784305 159608 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Here/Where/
< 1318784314 309079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That-away.
< 1318785090 519019 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 QUIT :Quit: Goodbye
< 1318785285 771184 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any admins here now?
< 1318785372 286064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so; ais523 reads all wiki edits, though
< 1318786286 962621 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'll admit that screen sharing's change from 10.5/6 -> 10.7 is a huge improvement. It's very nearly as useful as Xvnc now.
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< 1318786623 10153 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1318786653 253608 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make the spells in Icosahedral RPG to form a category.
< 1318786698 230815 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As in, mathematical category theory)
< 1318786707 102342 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what that would involve
< 1318786774 321201 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on, brb
< 1318786776 467255 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1318786803 648024 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what any of this is about
< 1318787291 323318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Do you have a tool to merge two line-based pipes into another
< 1318787299 133146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that no lines end up intersecting awfully
< 1318787326 248091 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope
< 1318787354 149627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: sigh
< 1318787360 817395 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do YOUUUUUUUUUUU?
< 1318787368 735873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: no, i want one :)
< 1318787378 203209 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods sagely.

< 1318787388 836904 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be trivial to write in C#
< 1318787399 907712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be trivial to write in any language, just a pain
< 1318787409 977935 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be fun and painless to write in C# ;-)
< 1318787413 268691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt C#'s support for select() is very good
< 1318787417 882339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be the pertinent thing to use here
< 1318787463 222555 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea what select() does, but sounds like a hack. I’d just run two processes and read lines from their stdout in two separate threads
< 1318787476 359117 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... lol
< 1318787483 435829 :ive!~nn@189.179.247.113 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318787488 399536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://man.cx/select(2)
< 1318787499 413753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :threading-based IO has been dead for the last decade or so
< 1318787507 431031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least on platforms anyone actually uses for real serving.
< 1318787528 503705 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :“threading-based IO”?
< 1318787538 391865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka, "I’d just run two processes and read lines from their stdout in two separate threads"
< 1318787540 40778 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There’s nothing special about reading from the STDOUT of a process... nothing to do with threads
< 1318787558 9388 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t see what relevance the threads are to the I/O
< 1318787562 453251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :two processes ~ two thread
< 1318787562 799422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1318787565 933261 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets the popcorn.

< 1318787672 890613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: but anyway, there's no hack about blocking until one of the given file descriptors has events available
< 1318787676 182824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's simple event notification
< 1318787809 126104 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that is exactly what my solution does
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< 1318787842 864346 :Ngevd!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, my IRC client isn't working
< 1318787844 399620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there were no processes meant to be involved anyway
< 1318787851 587605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just needs to take the names of two pipes and output to stdout
< 1318787854 130686 :Ngevd!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am using webchat
< 1318787855 116557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which can then be redirected to another pipe)
< 1318787858 380876 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. Then I don’t know what a line pipe is :)
< 1318787863 390167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :line pipe?
< 1318787876 471702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to merge two http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Named_pipe s on a line-based level
< 1318787904 30946 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNTESTED: http://pastebin.info/?dl=2337
< 1318787924 808912 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assumes the existence of a “commandLines” list/array/enumerable)
< 1318787950 244435 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm...
< 1318787965 863850 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has never used asynchronous IO before

< 1318787976 709707 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how painful is it?
< 1318787982 651001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: I think there's a race condition there
< 1318788001 210978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm, no
< 1318788006 974874 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be able to use Scala reset/shift
< 1318788032 346668 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno how much it'll help.
< 1318788037 132055 :Ngevd!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uniquode is going to be interesting when it gets to...
< 1318788043 793796 :Ngevd!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anywhere, really
< 1318788070 518545 :Ngevd!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say "arrows"
< 1318788094 404700 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There’s almost nothing about Unicode that is /not/ interesting to some degree :)
< 1318788102 589378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uniquode = Unicode?
< 1318788106 140829 :Ngevd!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1318788117 374435 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh :) Why is everyone speaking in code today? :)
< 1318788127 457494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Uniquode
< 1318788136 615270 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh :)
< 1318788165 613380 :Ngevd!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uniquode ≈ UniCode
< 1318788181 637805 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting idea!
< 1318788187 749223 :Ngevd!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's in that article has already been completely destroyed
< 1318788199 747698 :Ngevd!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And elliott had the idea first
< 1318788219 979115 :Ngevd!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/UniCode
< 1318788220 966872 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it’s kind of ironic you should mention Uniquode then, because I’m currently trying to write 99 bottles in Sclipting
< 1318788266 879863 :Ngevd!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That chinese golf one?
< 1318788270 499000 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1318788283 467162 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just added a reverse for loop instruction for this :)
< 1318788454 677843 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nothing wrong with thread-based I/O, FSVO "thread"!
< 1318788467 457167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Pretty sure .NET's threads are heavyweight.
< 1318788479 659058 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't Windows have lightweight "fibres" of some sort?
< 1318788481 674130 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, and there’s a whole whooping two of them
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< 1318788497 178983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I believe so.]
< 1318788499 813625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/]//
< 1318788500 470859 :Taneb!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Botherations
< 1318788509 17129 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's not for .NET, though, maybe?
< 1318788512 268661 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't know.

< 1318788517 976792 :Taneb!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, we should form a UNICODE BASED ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE CONSORTIUM!
< 1318788520 821617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't surprise me.
< 1318788538 660403 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you use .NET when you can use Ruby for everything?!
< 1318788554 203434 :Ngevd!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1318788561 827111 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the language of the future.
< 1318788563 486926 :Taneb!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby .NET
< 1318788568 8627 :Taneb!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There I go
< 1318788586 425662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ret
< 1318788592 71987 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rep ret
< 1318788605 144990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... returns for each non-zero byte pointed to by blah blah advancing?
< 1318788609 991559 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of my esolangs so far use Unicode characters
< 1318788623 910968 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: gcc emits it in some cases.
< 1318788629 198346 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a vague idea for one that doesn’t, but haven’t thought it through yet
< 1318788631 614016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Wait, it's real?
< 1318788635 473321 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1318788643 183692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: Technically, almost every esolang released uses Unicode characters.
< 1318788647 559053 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It helps with AMD's implementation of branch prediction in some CPU. Or something.
< 1318788647 986620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Amazing.
< 1318788665 204263 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I thought about how to phrase it, but decided it should be clear what I meant :-p
< 1318788672 233358 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There's also rep nop.
< 1318788678 197811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Does it actually repeat the return, though?
< 1318788679 20659 :Taneb!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piet doesn't
< 1318788683 346358 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1318788686 299738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Sads.
< 1318788696 490975 :Taneb!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By Unicode-based, in this context, I was referring to the entire of Unicode
< 1318788705 310527 :Taneb!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly minus non-printing characters
< 1318788706 838580 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should work as a multi-level out-of-function thing. :/
< 1318788719 253884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Like "k".
< 1318788796 868735 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, exactly like that. (Would "RBUS"4( ... 4kR work?)
< 1318788920 178203 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like Part I or Part II (or even Part III or Part IV) of Super ASCII MZX Town?
< 1318789007 619162 :katak!~ok@39.213.222.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1318789138 366849 :Taneb!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thoughts on UBEPLC?
< 1318789147 686739 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is UBEPLC?
< 1318789161 796928 :Taneb!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNICODE BASED ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE CONSORTIUM
< 1318789193 658111 :Taneb!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because a unicode based esoteric programming language is too much for one person to make
< 1318789216 787976 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is wiki so you can multiple people can write it, possibly on the talk page too.
< 1318789260 46769 :Taneb!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, there's at least two esoteric programming language work in progresses that claim to use all of unicode
< 1318789286 746096 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including control characters and private use characters?
< 1318789299 514442 :Taneb!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibles
< 1318789357 31818 :Taneb!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UBEPLC is a motion to merge efforts to create an actual language
< 1318789388 814803 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK. If that is the case, then yes you should do that.
< 1318789425 937074 :katak!~ok@182.3.32.9 QUIT :
< 1318789500 368141 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is esolang with Klingon writing, but is there a program that allows it to use Klingon scripts instead of using the Latin alphabet to write them?
< 1318789903 217257 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does anonymous macros work? And retroactive self-modification? What does missionary commands mean?
< 1318790012 584214 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think var'aq can be written in the Klingon script, possibly because it didn't make it to Unicode and the current private-use area based thing is so arbitrary.
< 1318790059 225959 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use a font that has Klingon characters in the Latin range though
< 1318790061 328070 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then use an encoding other than Unicode.
< 1318790094 934343 :Taneb!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anonymous macros don't work, retroactive self-modification is a bit like ais523's Feather, and actually does work
< 1318790119 59530 :Taneb!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A missionary command is a command that turns something into a Church encoding of it
< 1318790131 931117 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1318790253 82894 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can use a Klingon encoding that puts the codes with the high bit set in a 8-bit encoding, and with the high bit clear uses ASCII.
< 1318790423 638586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Index of /db
< 1318790423 824826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Name                    Last modified      Size  Description
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< 1318790423 971619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : latest.sql.bz2          15-Oct-2011 22:27   19M
< 1318790423 971663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : notlatest.sql.bz2       21-Jul-2009 22:25  9.2M
< 1318790426 760547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good file naming.
< 1318790485 8928 :Taneb!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judging by the dates, it's accurate too
< 1318790511 780026 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :latest_REAL2_for_real_this_time.sql.bz2
< 1318790594 710474 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course the currently-in-production front page, index_latest_test7_typofix.php.
< 1318790693 896849 :Taneb!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should ↚ do?
< 1318790713 22310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Break a reverse implication.
< 1318790736 758833 :Taneb!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking more along the lines of "don't turn left"
< 1318790748 177181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No lame.
< 1318790766 796026 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :“don’t shoot arrows at civilians”?
< 1318790770 186622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should modify the variables such that the boolean operation of reverse implication evaluates to false given them.
< 1318790793 419511 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boolean satisfiability? :-p
< 1318790872 612822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: If it takes too long the interpreter just starts mutating logical constants at random until it works.
< 1318790881 731157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually it gets sick and rewrites your program to have an easier problem to solve.
< 1318790915 753532 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, like wiping it :-p
< 1318792815 808883 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318793152 990545 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel terrible for being the last one to say anything. It makes it look like I killed the conversation
< 1318793293 630317 :Taneb!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the feeling
< 1318793332 834926 :Taneb!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What could ↜ do?
< 1318793983 918889 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up esolang now.
< 1318794018 472425 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: “get drunk”?
< 1318794130 574878 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Bruijndejx
< 1318794368 565342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318794533 894299 :Taneb!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: could do
< 1318794537 515277 :Taneb!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: interesting
< 1318794541 651567 :Taneb!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hello
< 1318794549 176565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo
< 1318794615 968869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I want to make the spells in Icosahedral RPG to form a category.
< 1318794628 898453 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this look like a proper implementation of De Bruijn indexing?  http://sprunge.us/FDCd
< 1318794645 101487 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, that is what I wanted it to do. But I don't know the details.
< 1318794666 2428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you have one spell turning an A into a B, and another spell turning a B into a C, then doing the spells one after the other would seem to be an obvious composition
< 1318794734 113219 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, I did think of that. But not all spells are transmutation.
< 1318794753 910768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although if you have a spell to split an A into a B and a C, it seems like you would get use for Arrows...
< 1318794861 605623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it seems like making the category objects the state of prerequisites and result of spells would be a start
< 1318794888 126360 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1318795100 965058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: when you are doing both x == i and x > i tests you can also do a case compare x i of { LT -> ...; EQ -> ...; GT -> ... }
< 1318795124 310781 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well...
< 1318795136 575473 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of operations can you do if you had, say, a fireball and a magic dart spell.
< 1318795175 403765 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OK, thank you for that information.
< 1318795212 546251 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-153-125.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1318795215 175859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might be slightly more efficient, in theory, if the Ord instance is written for it
< 1318795222 533492 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: Yes; not all spells would be transmutations. Some would affect instances of other spells (or itself), some would create fireballs, some might be divination, etc
< 1318795244 132464 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If the Ord instance is written for what?
< 1318795267 541716 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But do you know if there is anything wrong with this program that results in incorrect answers?
< 1318795268 545483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to implement compare directly
< 1318795279 908507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if it matters in practice
< 1318795391 253153 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if there is anything inconsistent in my program?
< 1318795405 637121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh also it is more idiomatic to do assignLocal i v h = case h of { as assignLocal i v (Apply x y) = ...; ... etc.
< 1318795572 204851 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1318795833 403829 :Taneb!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1318795861 912081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i don't see anything wrong with your algorithm
< 1318795922 256861 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1318796311 658493 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I put in annotations for expressions/patterns?
< 1318796355 396252 :Taneb!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318796356 331299 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think it would help much?
< 1318796431 276955 :Taneb!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1318796913 889645 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, Derren Brown is doing another series.
< 1318796958 343210 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-249-182.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's positively moronic.
< 1318796962 411867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Derren Brown have anything more to offer the world at this point? I think we get the idea.
< 1318796969 806667 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-249-182.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow, fglrx-driver got removed from Debian testing.
< 1318796972 439922 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-249-182.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still in sid.
< 1318797106 284220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i see ghc core's Expr, which is slightly similar to your Exp, contains a Note constructor for that
< 1318797117 304666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/libraries/ghc-7.2.1/CoreSyn.html#t:Expr
< 1318797131 966945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(only slightly)
< 1318797247 147895 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com NICK :Timwi-Away
< 1318797420 949721 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I was thinking to use a type parameter for the type of annotations (and then making the functor)
< 1318797504 742634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: even more flexible might be to make the type parameter of kind * -> *
< 1318797526 835685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...probably overkill
< 1318797548 611625 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was thinking of that too, and also thinking I don't know what to do about that and agree with you about probably overkill, too.
< 1318797740 330970 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1318797793 575181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well the question is whether you'd actually need the functor instance for anything
< 1318797904 641491 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To change annotations which might be used if one transformation requires one kind of annotations and another one uses different annotations, I suppose.
< 1318797934 850154 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-63-203.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318797935 268982 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-63-203.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
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< 1318798071 715207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ghc core Expr does sort of support an arbitrary type if you use Expr (TaggedBndr t), although the annotation is only on binders
< 1318798212 222570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh huh they have AnnExpr further down
< 1318798687 640677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't think var'aq can be written in the Klingon script, possibly because it didn't make it to Unicode and the current private-use area based thing is so arbitrary.
< 1318798727 750675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall way back when i read the conlang list that there was an attempt to coordinate private-use assignments for conlangs
< 1318798732 874742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know what came of it
< 1318798746 860486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.evertype.com/standards/csur/
< 1318798762 645271 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you don't use the Unicode, you can use a custom encoding instead
< 1318798769 123634 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1318798772 450514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :has the all important SEUSS LETTER ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ: http://www.evertype.com/standards/csur/seuss.html
< 1318798962 545645 :Taneb!02635aff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.255 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1318799099 439608 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Finland, vittu saatana!"
< 1318799106 693883 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excuse me someone definnify this.
< 1318799169 306528 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/translate_t
< 1318799169 981267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's Swedish.
< 1318799174 807540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I...
< 1318799176 551966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1318799177 376732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haveto
< 1318799178 43552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :take
< 1318799179 518481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a screenshot
< 1318799180 15132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: stop
< 1318799220 519559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Deewiant: http://i.imgur.com/FmxnS.png
< 1318799247 794680 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fi:Finland == en:Ireland
< 1318799250 77809 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't you know?
< 1318799271 17045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in swearing-related contexts.  makes sense.
< 1318799307 659283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: come on
< 1318799308 908033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's
< 1318799309 900104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing
< 1318799316 548840 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1318799318 202975 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is.
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< 1318800040 137320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION smells a kiwi

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< 1318801071 439741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :map(_, L, []) :- \+ free(L), L = [], !.  map(_, [], []).  map(Func, [H|T], [H2|T2]) :- Eval =.. [Func, H, H2], Eval, map(Func, T, T2).
< 1318801083 288479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that an abomination of Prolog, or normal style?
< 1318801103 136189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think that something like that would be in the standard library if you were meant to do it
< 1318801115 311312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first case is an optimisation to make it tail-recursive
< 1318801126 476623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :free(X) :- \+ (\+ (X = 1)), \+ (\+ (X = 2)).
< 1318801141 745141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, forgot the helper definition; that is in the standard library of some Prologs, but either it isn't in mine, or I forgot what it was called
< 1318801270 494347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like any good Prolog function, it works backwards too
< 1318801283 325454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/tail-recursive/deterministic/
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< 1318801810 522859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I don't think it works if you don't give the function you're mapping on
< 1318801814 315323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would be ridiculous if it did
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< 1318802809 550075 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it lambda prolog that does unification on functions?  are there any good uses for that
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< 1318802865 513303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm why couldn't the first two lines be simply combined to map(_, [], []) :- !.  ?
< 1318802882 308977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's wrong
< 1318802901 748863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you run it as map(anything, X, Y), it'd return only X=[], Y=[]
< 1318802917 876933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :while it should also generate one-element, two-element, etc. lists as possible results
< 1318802933 255178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to check that the second argument isn't free before doing the cut
< 1318802955 681724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm i may have misremembered what \+ is
< 1318802957 493249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a little ridiculousness in writing not (not not X=1 and not not X=2), though
< 1318802960 691480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\+ is just not
< 1318802980 66367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's defined along the lines of \+ X :- X, !, fail. \+ _.
< 1318802992 238620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's typically in the standard library so you don't need the definition
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< 1318803227 99655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i vaguely recall some theorem provers depend on unification of functions
< 1318803245 341397 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1318803249 849882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :typed unification, though
< 1318803282 74486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pity you can't write map(X, [1,2,3,4,5], [2,4,6,8,10]). and actually get a result in X
< 1318803301 612398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you just said that would be ridiculous :P
< 1318803308 879983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could in Proud, but it's uncomputable precisely because it lets you do that sort of thing
< 1318803314 898659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it is ridiculous, but it's also a pity
< 1318803325 942533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ridiculous enough that writing Eval like that actually works
< 1318803353 210170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw isn't there a predicate like = except which doesn't unify?  then you wouldn't need free there
< 1318803383 50643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there's not-not-equals, which I used in the definition of free, but although it doesn't unify it'll still match a free variable with anything
< 1318803393 609577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas I want to match a bound variable to [], and reject free variables
< 1318803549 562208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gprolog.org/manual/html_node/gprolog027.html#Standard-total-ordering-of-terms
< 1318803556 58791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like == should work?
< 1318803604 791181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, == is so massively unPrologish
< 1318803687 274588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I get a nagging feeling that it should really be called ===
< 1318803691 800576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with == reserved for not-not-equals
< 1318803695 509913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, can't violate the standard
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< 1318804029 269185 :Timwi-Away!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com NICK :Timwi
< 1318804030 407089 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1318804075 860504 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey ais523, how are you? :)
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< 1318804263 859957 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : there is a little ridiculousness in writing not (not not X=1 and not not X=2), though <-- why would you ever do that?
< 1318804276 438296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: to verify that X is free
< 1318804285 665434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't assign two different valuables to a variable that already has a set value
< 1318804285 818444 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: eh, which language is this in?
< 1318804293 770902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the double-not prevents the assignment being permanent
< 1318804295 168794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Prolog
< 1318804298 591274 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1318804304 521233 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so there is no compare?
< 1318804328 456455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you're trying to verify that a variable has no value
< 1318804333 996156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how you'd do that with a comparison
< 1318804340 651723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no value isn't a value you can compare to
< 1318804342 170255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't a value
< 1318804347 715734 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm, something undefined() ?
< 1318804353 4577 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is-undefined
< 1318804354 269885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever
< 1318804374 848894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, it's not like NULL or undefined or whatever
< 1318804378 647833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the absence of a value
< 1318804388 935783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prolog uses SSA, in a sense, in that once a variable has a value, you can't change it
< 1318804404 814704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike SSA, though, a variable can stay without a value arbitrarily long, rather than having to have one at intializaiton
< 1318804414 972583 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1318804429 107755 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that explains it
< 1318804430 610171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :still weird
< 1318804447 828158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, two variables can be unified, so that they have the same value eventually when either are assigned
< 1318804452 251221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit like quantum entanglement
< 1318804487 45364 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :he
< 1318804488 242154 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh*
< 1318804754 520930 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some Perl modules can also make quantum entanglement variables. But a different way would be to represent the state vector.
< 1318804779 640111 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum computing does sound perlish
< 1318804788 924107 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume hardware acceleration will be available in some 20 years?
< 1318804848 155621 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1318804878 425260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLC-INTERCAL's "quantum changes" isn't really
< 1318804881 811655 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a sort of threading
< 1318805193 974448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin
< 1318805195 622891 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ addquote \ allquotes \ calc \ define \ delquote \ etymology \ forget \ fortune \ frink \ google \ json \ k \ karma \ karma+ \ karma- \ learn \ log \ logurl \ macro \ marco \ paste \ pastekarma \ pastelog \ pastelogs \ pastenquotes \ pastequotes \ pastewisdom \ ping \ prefixes \ quine \ quote \ quotes \ roll \ toutf8
< 1318805218 944589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 1 g -> m/s^2
< 1318805229 193902 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conformance error \    Left side is: 1/1000 (exactly 0.001) kg (mass) \   Right side is: 1 m s^-2 (acceleration) \
< 1318805236 532846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1318805360 706802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 9.8 m/s^2 / c * year
< 1318805368 711350 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.0315732310779089713
< 1318805395 324951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink tanh(9.8 m/s^2 / c * year)
< 1318805403 373641 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: undefined symbol "tanh". \ 1.0315732310779089713 tanh (undefined symbol)
< 1318805413 757640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
< 1318805420 690553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink tanh[9.8 m/s^2 / c * year]
< 1318805428 56604 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.77453854135156246931
< 1318805429 683998 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know CLC-INTERCAL's quantum computing is not real quantum computing. But CLCLC-INTERCAL might have proper quantum computing
< 1318805459 880077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: note that proper quantum computing needs to be reversible up until you collapse the state, or it uses infinite (or very large) amounts of energy
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< 1318805491 349702 :Rugxulo!~chatzilla@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant here? anyone seen him lately?
< 1318805495 84394 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pong
< 1318805522 460343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: no such person, nothing to see here, move on
< 1318805528 110562 :Rugxulo!~chatzilla@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that (2011-07-03) "current dmd (1.068 & 2.053)" fixes your bug report (finally)?
< 1318805558 756903 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know that.
< 1318805577 727932 :Rugxulo!~chatzilla@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it seems work is heavily under way to integrate GDC into GCC proper
< 1318805593 705355 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#3001? Yes, I get notifications from the 'zilla
< 1318805610 442798 :Rugxulo!~chatzilla@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know
< 1318805639 781041 :Rugxulo!~chatzilla@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found out and wanted to make sure you knew (as two years is quite a long time)
< 1318805766 260607 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two years probably brings the mean time for my (nontrivial) bug reports down
< 1318805928 293809 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1318805928 440605 :Rugxulo!~chatzilla@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also guess it's pointless to mention that FBBI was updated too?   ;-)
< 1318805978 748945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1318805988 305893 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody announced that here when it happened
< 1318806039 418606 :Rugxulo!~chatzilla@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured (just haven't been here a lot lately)
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< 1318807423 861912 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As someone says:
< 1318807436 18620 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell who the shoe maker is because they have holes in their shoes.
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< 1318808844 698700 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: reading r/math is not wise shortly after applying to do maths at university.
< 1318808936 752802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny guy
< 1318808973 572813 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talking to an unemployed mathematician is also perhaps unwise.
< 1318808995 211895 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_with_one_element
< 1318809002 142129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION lurches away

< 1318809003 489206 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how this reads like it's about physics.
< 1318809019 870161 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"F1 is believed to have the following properties."
< 1318809045 451075 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Future experiments with high-energy theorem accelerators may reveal its true nature."
< 1318809097 497233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well physicists have been pretty good at inventing math before proving it actually works :P
< 1318809124 482685 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid that one goes over my head (do I shoot myself now).
< 1318809131 84295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*without, even
< 1318809298 959861 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep

< 1318809302 923024 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1318809370 648257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Phantom_Hoover for a start, calculus was used for hundreds of years without a sound logical basis.  dirac used "functions" which did not exist for quantum mechanics.  and one of the millennium problems is proving that the mathematics of quantum field theory is actually mathematically consistent.  also i'm tempted to ban you for quitting the moment i had finished writing the previous sentence.
< 1318809370 921051 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1318809444 639825 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not a very good reason to ban someone.
< 1318809465 775015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you still don't have a working joke detector :P
< 1318809535 507250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that one is necessary here
< 1318809573 972320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that having one
< 1318809582 83332 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I am deeply offended that you would think that joke detectors even exist.
< 1318809650 568874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: it is my fundamental human right to believe in joke detectors, just as it is your right not to have a working joke detector detector
< 1318811072 567514 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the prime vertical circle have anything to do with solar noon?
< 1318811232 515052 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found this:  http://kirstenmichel.com/ss2.html
< 1318812529 233160 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese drinking culture frightens me.
< 1318812535 908116 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why?
< 1318812536 707363 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :飲み放題. That means "all you can drink".
< 1318812540 673591 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a thing.
< 1318812796 871884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, american "all you can eat" isn't _that_ much less frightening :P
< 1318812823 329775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok, so "all you can eat" exists in norway too)
< 1318812846 514056 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except "all you can eat" is not the center of an evening's activities.
< 1318812855 523846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1318812860 307930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :food ->
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< 1318814485 240027 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finally have X-Chat on Mac
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< 1318817825 33929 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep
< 1318818473 249717 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> letters
< 1318818474 116620 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `letters'
< 1318818671 929038 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that not the date this channel was created on?
< 1318818727 962073 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was registered before then, though.
< 1318818771 11136 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let letters = ['a'..'z']; t = zip letters ((drop 13 letters) ++ (take 13 letters)); rot13 c = fromMaybe c (lookup c t) in map rot13 "Grego is actually Roger G."
< 1318818772 550691 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "Gertb vf npghnyyl Rbtre G."
< 1318818779 272685 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh...
< 1318818780 886372 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1318818785 225740 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not capital letters.
< 1318818814 296234 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t lookupWithDefault
< 1318818815 75370 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `lookupWithDefault'
< 1318818819 438053 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle lookup
< 1318818820 96509 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude lookup :: Eq a => a -> [(a, b)] -> Maybe b
< 1318818820 463635 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.HashTable lookup :: HashTable key val -> key -> IO (Maybe val)
< 1318818820 610492 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.IntMap lookup :: Key -> IntMap a -> Maybe a
< 1318818837 669337 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle a -> b -> [(a,b)] -> Maybe b
< 1318818838 153443 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Graph.Inductive.Query.SP spLength :: (Graph gr, Real b) => Node -> Node -> gr a b -> b
< 1318818838 429282 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Array.MArray writeArray :: (MArray a e m, Ix i) => a i e -> i -> e -> m ()
< 1318818838 575983 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Graph.Inductive.Query.MaxFlow maxFlow :: (DynGraph gr, Num b, Ord b) => gr a b -> Node -> Node -> b
< 1318818841 395987 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle a -> b -> [(a,b)] -> b
< 1318818841 761883 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Graph.Inductive.Query.SP spLength :: (Graph gr, Real b) => Node -> Node -> gr a b -> b
< 1318818842 48319 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Graph.Inductive.Query.BFS lesp :: Graph gr => Node -> Node -> gr a b -> LPath b
< 1318818842 195061 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Graph.Inductive.Query.BFS esp :: Graph gr => Node -> Node -> gr a b -> Path
< 1318818846 86976 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, no.
< 1318818854 722025 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle b -> a -> [(a,b)] -> b
< 1318818855 135964 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Graph.Inductive.Query.SP spLength :: (Graph gr, Real b) => Node -> Node -> gr a b -> b
< 1318818855 416565 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Graph.Inductive.Query.BFS lesp :: Graph gr => Node -> Node -> gr a b -> LPath b
< 1318818855 563214 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Graph.Inductive.Query.BFS esp :: Graph gr => Node -> Node -> gr a b -> Path
< 1318818864 836979 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no lookup with default??
< 1318818888 980601 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle b -> a -> Map a b -> b
< 1318818889 168969 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot hates me.
< 1318818889 357147 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Map findWithDefault :: Ord k => a -> k -> Map k a -> a
< 1318818889 644173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Graph.Inductive.Query.SP spLength :: (Graph gr, Real b) => Node -> Node -> gr a b -> b
< 1318818889 790792 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Graph.Inductive.Query.BFS lesp :: Graph gr => Node -> Node -> gr a b -> LPath b
< 1318818894 679146 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay.
< 1318818931 18359 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-204-150.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let lower = ['a'..'z'];upper = ['A'..'Z'];f x = zip x ((drop 13 x) ++ (take 13 x));t = f lower ++ f upper;rot13 c = fromMaybe c (lookup c t) in map rot13 "Lawlz."
< 1318818932 536434 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "Ynjym."
< 1318819261 798676 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let lower = ['a'..'z']; upper = ['A'..'Z']; f x = zip x ((drop 13 x) ++ (take 13 x)); t = M.fromList (f lower ++ f upper); rot13 c = M.findWithDefault c c t in map rot13 "Gregor is actually Roger G."
< 1318819263 355517 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "Tertbe vf npghnyyl Ebtre T."
< 1318819358 7722 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so at compile time does GHC compute the result of all constants?
< 1318819381 997850 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that t is just a predefined Map at runtime?
< 1318819460 222131 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(repeat 1) is a constant
< 1318819640 549376 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1318819666 300936 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in some cases you could analyze that the function terminates.
< 1318819724 403839 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you immediately exclude all recursion then you've eliminated a large amount of constant optimization.
< 1318819753 596332 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :++ on finite constant lists wouldn't allow optimization.
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< 1318820377 492873 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps if strictness analysis determines that a constant expression can be strictly evaluated
< 1318820390 981386 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it would be safe to go ahead and precompute the result.
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< 1318822078 674203 :\EXPERT_PROGRAMM!~yours@infocalypse-net.info NICK :Nisstyre
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< 1318823844 553348 :schopenhauer!~augur@208.58.5.87 NICK :augur
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< 1318824364 242432 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI GAIZ
< 1318825002 954830 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db40389.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi cakeprophet; all knows the problem: you need to format an os partition but want to be sure not to loose any data still hanging around somewhere in tons of garbage. can anyone recommend a tool to (pre)analyse the structure of the contente (especially user documents, pics, etc)
< 1318825029 838598 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db40389.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :..of the partition
< 1318825937 159041 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :analyze in what way?
< 1318825972 252607 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Ubuntu has something called "disk usage analyzer" the creates a chart of disk usage per directory/file.
< 1318825975 880757 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they may not be useful for what you
< 1318825979 160852 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :'re wanting to do.
< 1318826005 660322 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: ^^^
< 1318826056 312415 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, if you're searching for important shit. find is a good command line tool for doing such.
< 1318826059 548765 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db40389.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes exactly thank you
< 1318826096 132165 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Baobab
< 1318826098 561506 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db40389.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will give it a  try
< 1318826109 181763 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-204-150.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gpQ6nfMi80 This is meant to be funny. It is both funny and reminds me of the pain that has been inflicted upon my soul.
< 1318827780 836259 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have an object X in a category then what is it called when no morphisms exist from X to any other object? And what is it called if the only morphism from X to X is the identity morphism? What is it called if both conditions apply?
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< 1318830351 538387 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to me that C++11 fixes a lot of problems with C++
< 1318830356 846215 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :by making the language really terrible and ugly.
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< 1318833040 439693 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you know if the \p{...} regex properties require the utf8 flag to be?
< 1318833086 348004 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :+on
< 1318833100 273406 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently when I decode ASCII to UTF-8 the UTF-8 flag stays off for backwards compatability. If \p{...} requires utf8 on then that may be why my code isn't working.
< 1318833116 429184 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait nevermind.
< 1318833119 820278 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they should just treat it as UTF-8 regardless of the flag.
< 1318833125 289077 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course that doesn't matter for ASCII.
< 1318833135 562258 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm
< 1318833175 928998 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- if the "locale" or "encoding" pragmas are not used and the string is not "utf8", then "[[:xxxxx:]]" (and "\w", etc.)  will not match characters 0x80-0xff; whereas "\p{IsXxxxx}" will force the string to "utf8" and can match these characters (as Unicode)."
< 1318833186 839036 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you convert from ASCII, there will be no bytes 0x80-0xff in there.
< 1318833234 981285 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue why the /usr/share/dict datasets are empty after I run my script.
< 1318833266 817558 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I definitely have to implement Sclipting...
< 1318833297 988340 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: maybe file is giving me the incorrect encodings for them?
< 1318833303 912040 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or...... I have no idea.
< 1318833348 350027 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't: know. Incorrect encodings doesn't sound like something that'd lead to empty outputs, though.
< 1318833372 544700 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the reason the output is empty is because my regex is always succeeding on these datasets
< 1318833382 623703 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which regex is that?
< 1318833389 14259 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :/[^\p{Alphabetic}\p{Letter}\p{Dash_Punctuation}\p{Connector_Punctuation}']/;
< 1318833396 885116 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's supposed to skip anything that passes this.
< 1318833528 177504 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read the files in as :raw, then use decode($encoding, $input)
< 1318833533 398341 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :where $encoding is a command line option.
< 1318833538 77683 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that defaults to utf8
< 1318833566 583136 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you looked at the files? I don't really know about the other languages, but my /usr/share/dict/finnish has "$\" at the end of 88% of the words. (Though there's still a couple of words that should not match that.)
< 1318833585 849759 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why $\
< 1318833718 689132 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know. It may be an affix marker thing; though the ispell man page doesn't really suggest so. I don't even know which program those files are for.
< 1318833751 308995 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well manx for example doesn't have those
< 1318833754 720871 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still shows up as empty
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< 1318833808 153715 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1318833812 129535 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1318833824 273106 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how a minor change to a page can be over 32000 characters
< 1318833900 103498 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Well, I don't know. Are you doing something else differently for the dict stuff? Could you be leaving the newline in there or something? I'm just grasping at straws here, really. Hexdump the strings that match that regex and check what's wrong with them? I'unno.
< 1318833958 593337 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't actually read hexdumps very well.
< 1318833965 962434 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should figure them out
< 1318833969 434138 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe you just use weird formats
< 1318834156 338465 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wide character in print at ./construct_grams.pl line 22, <$f> line 5828977.
< 1318834161 427000 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I got a lot of these in the french dataset
< 1318834211 375080 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It certainly shouldn't be related to the lack of the utf8 flag, though:
< 1318834213 605971 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ perl -e '$x = "foobar"; print "is not utf8\n" unless utf8::is_utf8($x); print "no match\n" unless $x =~ /[^\p{Alphabetic}\p{Letter}\p{Dash_Punctuation}\p{Connector_Punctuation}'\'']/;'
< 1318834213 752622 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is not utf8
< 1318834213 752792 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no match
< 1318834351 112140 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as the $\ I guess I'll just make a copy of the files and strip those characters out.
< 1318834506 853289 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh what's some good hexdump options
< 1318834527 842151 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hexdump -C" and "od -tx1z" are reasonable.
< 1318834549 779514 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can just print join(" ", map { sprintf "%02x", $_ } unpack("C*", $string)), "\n" from the Perl script.
< 1318834574 733429 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think hexdump is actually simpler in this case.
< 1318834661 175259 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up to you; it's just that it'll all get smooshed into one dump. Anyway, it sounds very weird that the regex just wouldn't work; you are certain that it's because that thing is matching all the words?
< 1318834676 533182 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep I put a print after it and nothing happens
< 1318834697 943395 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you put a print in front of it to see if you're getting there either?-)
< 1318834705 427111 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I did that before.
< 1318834732 302470 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also tested the eng-1M set and many words pass.
< 1318834748 196010 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't tested the other google sets. I assume all the utf-8 ones are fine.
< 1318834893 196304 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'll sprunge an output file soon.
< 1318834907 557893 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and code would probably help.
< 1318834960 783034 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/DHBZ
< 1318834985 14689 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :....I guess I could have used a smaller dataset.
< 1318835074 647236 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1318835076 548307 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think you might get some shell-related munging to your string if you dump them like that.
< 1318835090 763982 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318835102 871648 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: with echo?
< 1318835111 365134 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1318835153 404994 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, possibly not. At least it'll barf for any words containing a '.
< 1318835189 64087 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... yes.
< 1318835216 494138 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's taking much longer than usual
< 1318835219 723600 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the hexdumps?
< 1318835241 228979 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes the perl processes are stuck on pipe_wait
< 1318835254 999215 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is in fact refusing each word, that's two new processes for each word.
< 1318835257 277453 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, three.
< 1318835259 741705 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, two.
< 1318835267 408550 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1318835276 606132 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A shell and the hexdump; the echo is probably a builtin.
< 1318835292 64482 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is
< 1318835305 496493 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is master of efficient perl coding.

< 1318835376 94713 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I ran it locally with | head.
< 1318835385 228441 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :On 'finnish'.
< 1318835387 503675 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :00000000  61 2d 6b 6c 69 6e 69 6b  6b 61 0a 0a              |a-klinikka..|
< 1318835408 699316 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to point out what I said 25 minutes ago: " CakeProphet: Well, I don't know. Are you doing something else differently for the dict stuff? Could you be leaving the newline in there or something? --"
< 1318835411 747641 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I'll do it your way.
< 1318835425 413095 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first 0a is the newline you have in your string, and that's what matching the regex.
< 1318835432 210177 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The second 0a is added by echo.)
< 1318835444 683454 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :......................
< 1318835445 995502 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course.
< 1318835458 166229 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have a \t in it, so it gets the full line.
< 1318835465 97775 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I don't have that problem with googledata because -- yes
< 1318835476 749120 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fffwoiejriowehriuhweiufhw4ituhwiuethwef
< 1318835506 158367 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could split /[\n\t]/ or something
< 1318835513 771957 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, or chomp it.
< 1318835518 207836 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes chomp
< 1318835524 28091 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to use it because of the name.
< 1318835529 480677 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes very satisfying
< 1318835569 458338 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318835644 932418 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay let's try this again.
< 1318835738 719236 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the scripts appear to be using memory.
< 1318835740 769701 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's good.
< 1318835860 230440 :ive!~nn@189.179.247.113 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318835911 840909 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that'll teach those RAM chips who's the boss here.
< 1318836313 621324 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet that worked.
< 1318836868 562040 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: okay so if I use a require to import the modules via string
< 1318836877 264349 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I access variables in their namespace?
< 1318836959 924184 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if do just drops variables into the current scope then I might use it instead.
< 1318837059 123622 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm I could use a symbolic reference maybe.
< 1318837136 416410 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl -e '%t = (1,2); print %{"%::t"};'
< 1318837148 315227 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e '%t = (1,2); print %{"%::t"};'
< 1318837159 152944 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1318837186 406385 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e '$t = {1,2}; print ${"$::t"};'
< 1318837191 269350 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1318837193 897133 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1318837196 636146 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e '$t = {1,2}; print ${"$t"};'
< 1318837199 12663 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1318837436 316953 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318837533 197428 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1318838589 209922 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e 'use Data::Dumper; Data::Dumper::Terse = 1; print Data::Dumper::Dumper($a, $b)'
< 1318838591 492149 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't modify non-lvalue subroutine call in scalar assignment at -e line 1, near "1;" \ Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors.
< 1318838608 749442 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e 'use Data::Dumper; $Data::Dumper::Terse = 1; print Data::Dumper::Dumper($a, $b)'
< 1318838610 963600 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :undef \ undef
< 1318838694 970125 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e 'use Data::Dumper; $d = Data::Dumper->new([$a,$b]); $d->Terse(1); print $d->Dump;
< 1318838697 260814 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string
< 1318838699 435108 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e 'use Data::Dumper; $d = Data::Dumper->new([$a,$b]); $d->Terse(1); print $d->Dump;'
< 1318838701 897693 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :undef \ undef
< 1318838820 717565 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :'require' won't ever touch your namespace; you need to use a fully-qualified Package::foo name to reach into it.
< 1318838859 24740 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e 'use Data::Dumper; $d = Data::Dumper->new([[$a,$b]], [qw(x*)]; $d->Terse(1); print $d->Dump;'
< 1318838861 677506 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error at -e line 1, near "];" \ Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors.
< 1318838867 724493 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e 'use Data::Dumper; $d = Data::Dumper->new([[$a,$b]], [qw(x*)]); $d->Terse(1); print $d->Dump;'
< 1318838870 242818 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[ \         undef, \         undef \       ]
< 1318838887 804426 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e 'use Data::Dumper; $d = Data::Dumper->new([$a,$b], [qw(x*)]); $d->Terse(1); print $d->Dump;'
< 1318838890 536649 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :undef \ undef
< 1318839004 846556 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e 'use Data::Dumper; $d = Data::Dumper->new([[$a,$b]], [qw(*x)]); $d->Terse(1); print $d->Dump;'
< 1318839007 672730 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​( \        undef, \        undef \      )
< 1318839011 210803 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go.
< 1318839056 526315 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e 'use Data::Dumper; $d = Data::Dumper->new([[$a,$b]], [qw(*_)]); $d->Terse(1); print $d->Dump;'
< 1318839061 283010 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​( \        undef, \        undef \      )
< 1318839767 627181 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1318839779 370556 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318840025 386956 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318840071 293140 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e '$_='this-is-a-test'; s/-./-\u/g;print'
< 1318840073 650586 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0
< 1318840084 552016 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e '$_="this-is-a-test"; s/-./-\u/g; print'
< 1318840086 869088 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :this-s--est
< 1318840109 233048 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e '$_="this-is-a-test"; s/-(.)/-\u$1/g; print'
< 1318840111 677812 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :this-Is-A-Test
< 1318840122 953255 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e '$_="this-is-a-test"; s/(^|-)(.)/\u$1/g; print'
< 1318840125 466658 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :his-s--est
< 1318840126 952051 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e '$_="this-is-a-test"; s/(^|-)(.)/\u$2/g; print'
< 1318840129 541290 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThisIsATest
< 1318840142 825743 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful.
< 1318840188 395686 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e '$_="this--is-a-test"; s/(^|-)(.)/\u$2/g; print'
< 1318840190 780848 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This-isATest
< 1318840211 563866 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's perfectly fine
< 1318840245 348550 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318840273 167072 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e '$_="test"; s/(^|-)(.)/\u$2/g; print'
< 1318840275 946190 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test
< 1318840438 818323 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1318840520 731133 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: instead of manually typing option hash tables I decided to do these shenanigans. :)
< 1318840551 223235 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :               map { my $opt=$_; s/(^|-)(.)/\u$2/g; $opt, handle_opt $_;} @datasets
< 1318840611 161760 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no end to my overcomplicated hackery.
< 1318840882 30322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318841347 232112 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://sprunge.us/bGCK
< 1318841354 459981 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this /should/ work... as far as I can tell.
< 1318841374 183707 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't test it yet (need my external)
< 1318841410 473536 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's the generation script: http://sprunge.us/dZVH
< 1318841432 833460 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to like, watch it break on first try as it most likely will.
< 1318841600 548165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1318841780 864265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318841790 318585 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly revised words.pl : http://sprunge.us/HMXX
< 1318842202 125622 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still need to do some error handling..
< 1318842644 550797 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1318843401 823554 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e 'if (my $x = 2) { print $x } print $x'
< 1318843404 183690 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2
< 1318843425 828032 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e 'if (my $x = 2) { print $x } else { print $x} print $x'
< 1318843428 133566 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2
< 1318844281 828007 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net NICK :CakeProphet
< 1318844900 387140 :CakeProphet!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/GThA
< 1318844955 392865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1318844993 48650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318847189 20815 :CakeProphet!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: make me a sammich
< 1318847189 301007 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet:. i'm so kind, even to assholes! anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov
< 1318847208 944794 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what's anmaster going to do with markov?
< 1318847209 379541 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1318847209 526286 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover:, so i'd make stuff up to. why, this is for you guys are a lot of the design, prisoners and slaves that have sucked. rephrase: " i tried todo a _" is 0 ( and both variables hold the same
< 1318847262 25077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to figure out where fungot got "design, prisoners and slaves" from

< 1318847262 291764 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is. absorb it on my door, which was just perceptibly fnord and this yields nothing itself; it keeps being removed, the queen. i see no sense
< 1318847354 393822 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "ymor's ravens were notoriously loyal to their design, prisoners and slaves that have sucked blood from larger animals."
< 1318847369 625134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know
< 1318847378 500912 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan You got two minutes; what are you complaining about.
< 1318847378 647578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original sentence doesn't make all that much more sense than the fungot version
< 1318847378 794301 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1318847378 940920 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube ( some youtube comments) http://news.com.com/ fnord/ fnord and it is eta. f) the associate director of personnel may declare an interested proposal, not only to goods and service sectors. if we take a very close relationship, but the parliament has possessed him, yet he talkes well," he said, taking it out
< 1318847390 605155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, is that a fungot self-quote?
< 1318847390 832296 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: to, uhhh....... uncool it online. it was an unmanned flight--thanks for doing your homework. seriously, read description :) ( maybe i suck at english as u suck at english as u suck at english as u suck at english as u suck at english as u suck at english as u suck at english as u suck at english as u suck at english as u suck at english as u suck at english as u suck at english as u suck at english as u suck at english
< 1318847397 187459 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1318847397 334314 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot* homestuck ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1318847413 504679 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's built of everything it has said.
< 1318847413 692951 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a lot of cycles in this mode.
< 1318847430 767103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, you used fungot as a source for itself
< 1318847430 913798 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just to help an fnord archive)
< 1318847441 960667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd explain why the source material doesn't make much more sense than the output
< 1318847459 143177 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "ymor's ravens" comment was from the 'nethack' style, obvs.
< 1318847469 315695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not surprising
< 1318847779 933540 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The "anmaster no not markov" loop comes from elliott using ^echo to talk to an ignoring Vorpal, also unsurprisingly.
< 1318847800 992353 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1318847823 767690 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many times did he say that?
< 1318847851 583263 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just once, but with the sort of short context, it's enough. Because you know about ^echo.
< 1318847857 379849 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo Do I hear an echo?
< 1318847857 526653 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I hear an echo? Do I hear an echo?
< 1318847867 186232 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course.
< 1318847886 11671 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo, the loopmaker.
< 1318848460 784864 :CakeProphet!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: oisosossgoisstoirtrreriteieoiey
< 1318848460 948434 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: something like scheme48 ( upon the general position is a part of these amendments, i can only thank the president-in-office, you did hear me say that we have had in getting information with regard to monetary policy, a factor is
< 1318848481 305470 :CakeProphet!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: suck my dick eh heh heh heh heh huhu huhuhuhuhhuhhuhhuh
< 1318848481 452182 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i know i didn't know that you've already asked, but then i need to enter " qemu" to edit is the ordinary ( for call/ cc))) hangs
< 1318848525 766110 :CakeProphet!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish there was a dataset based on everything it sees
< 1318848528 114884 :CakeProphet!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :including PMs
< 1318848549 77719 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't log everything it sees, sadly.
< 1318848558 675488 :CakeProphet!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then I could flood it with vulgar insults.
< 1318848566 263070 :CakeProphet!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wow, flood? that's a weird word.
< 1318848572 555230 :CakeProphet!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why have I noticed that.
< 1318848574 34200 :CakeProphet!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :flood.
< 1318848583 875465 :CakeProphet!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not noticed
< 1318848744 63911 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLOOD.
< 1318849147 571206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1318849150 120301 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :607)  I think Perl is a programming language too. [...]
< 1318849160 612458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1318849162 665391 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :253)  Is there a name for something where I'm more attracted to someone if I know they've had a rough past?   Sgeo, "Little Shop of Horrors"
< 1318849170 181583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1318849172 543635 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :100)  Sgeo_: Gregorr: and someone could, by mistake, rewrite psox to be a weak erection if it is... A filename.
< 1318849181 157852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1318849183 536083 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :472)  Phantom_Hoover: nope, I removed . from the current directory
< 1318849193 775893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, how did I do that?
< 1318849197 550371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm interested in context
< 1318849214 268835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log removed \. from the current directory
< 1318849224 398634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`logs removed \. from the current directory
< 1318849227 123080 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: logs: not found
< 1318849232 481265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, hmm
< 1318849233 241480 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-07, surprisingly recent.
< 1318849238 230460 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-07-06.txt:11:51:46:  482)  Phantom_Hoover: nope, I removed . from the current directory
< 1318849241 762690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, -06
< 1318849298 535075 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's immediately followed by "umm, from the path".
< 1318849303 391784 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes it less interesting.
< 1318849334 665808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: can you get a tie that's a transparent plastic thing filled with multicoloured glow in the dark liquid
< 1318849349 218443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, just a thinko
< 1318849529 706517 :nooga!~nooga@178-37-171-236.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318849622 790599 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game
< 1318850151 385751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should logread more often
< 1318850428 678390 :ive!~nn@189.179.247.113 QUIT :Quit: leaving
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< 1318850868 544105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: boo!
< 1318850878 71641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1318850878 458679 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1318850923 197476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: > 2 + 2
< 1318850934 385577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @run 2 + 2
< 1318850935 191764 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  4
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< 1318851518 637794 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318851542 713485 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: What is this? You keep answering every "> foo" even when it's just paste from a quoted email or something, but not when someone directly addresses you?
< 1318851565 270349 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Teach some sense to your fellow bot, would you?
< 1318851565 417928 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i know i didn't know that you've already asked, but then i need to enter and it closes. :( i can pay, and those that the c-intercal, except that the thing about genocide is
< 1318851806 940191 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, genocide!
< 1318851807 92711 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: is. absorb it on my door, which was just perceptibly fnord and this yields nothing itself; it keeps being removed, the queen is a vain. yes is ticked). we'll know that's our memory...... calling...... that thing's not human...
< 1318852039 990462 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, I wonder if that sword alone can stop.
< 1318852040 177080 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, it's not. it's more complex than that. read the code.) good stuff ( and burning, and no clear account. in that second one is horizontally displaced by 1 pixel is sacred. just me, or i: yet, you rogue!
< 1318852059 958167 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, all hail horizontal displacement by one pixel!
< 1318852060 161416 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube comments).
< 1318852098 392661 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runperl use Scalar::Util qw/dualvar/; my $dv = dualvar 42, 'sneaky'; printf "%d, %s\n", $dv, $dv;
< 1318852101 248627 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :42, sneaky
< 1318852101 998356 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl <3
< 1318852199 218413 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Contextual::Return takes it rather further still.)
< 1318852250 458712 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318852743 916123 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here know a CSS hack that's specific to Windows, as opposed to a particular browser?
< 1318852750 294218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :failing that, Chrome and IE on Windows, specifically
< 1318852976 272948 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds more like something people would do with scripts.
< 1318853056 898318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, my problem is that Windows Chrome isn't rendering Unicode correctly, because it's picking an inappropriate font
< 1318853083 212696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't want to just arbitrarily override a list of fonts for those browsers that do Unicode properly
< 1318853103 656513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm just serving a single (computer-generated) HTML file, and don't particularly want to put scripts on it for no good reason
< 1318853169 215186 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screenshots of WP pages can't be put on Commons.
< 1318853226 665578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1318853241 34874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the WP logo is copyrighted
< 1318853244 998984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's OK if you crop out the logo
< 1318853260 950975 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE-specific CSS hacks are (probably) dime a dozen, but detecting between Windows Chrome and Somethingelse Chrome with pure CSS might be a bit much to ask. A five-line script to detect the situation and splunk a "fontfix" class onto the body + references to that in the CSS could be easier. But I'm no web developer.
< 1318853534 935936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I think so
< 1318853544 747786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, IE-specific CSS hacks have pretty much disappeared since IE8
< 1318853551 878815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :earlier versions are pretty easy to hack for
< 1318853572 285320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although IE deliberately misparses certain specifically-structured comments, which works on any version as it's an intended feature
< 1318853775 277932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ridiculous idea: Chrome probably recognises embedded CSS fonts
< 1318853790 825909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I could just dump a Unicode font into the page source, probably via reference
< 1318853801 980876 :nooga!~nooga@178-37-171-236.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1318854060 431649 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then you would (presumably) need to explicitly use that embedded font, and you didn't want to override fonts.
< 1318854061 19067 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1318854086 469784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1318854164 46336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a related but unrelated subject: is there a sensible algorithm to, given a list of examples, produces a wildmat pattern that matches all those examples (and preferably excludes as much else as possible)
< 1318854316 660870 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a related but unrelated answer: Emacs comes with a "regexp-opt" function which takes a list of strings and triest to generate a small regular expression which matches that list and nothing else. It is very simplistic, though.
< 1318854366 413362 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is clever enough, apparently, to produce (?:optim(?:al|i(?:[sz]e))), given the list {optimal, optimise, optimize}.
< 1318854392 591533 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That last group doesn't seem so useful in there.
< 1318854849 590652 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-253-175.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1318854872 527450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1318854873 594909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ?: isn't even Emacs regex syntax
< 1318854874 594646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's busy optimizing a syntax other than its own
< 1318854919 89497 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supposedly it is in Emacs23.
< 1318854936 57578 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going by http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/RegexpOpt here, not an expert again.
< 1318854945 239241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs finally modernised its regexen? good to hear it
< 1318854946 572368 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" (regexp-opt '("alex" "albert" "alois" "bummer"))
< 1318854946 719153 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :results in
< 1318854946 719332 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : "al\\(bert\\|ex\\|ois\\)\\|bummer"
< 1318854946 719456 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or
< 1318854946 719563 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\\(?:al\\(?:bert\\|ex\\|ois\\)\\|bummer\\)"
< 1318854947 65058 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Emacs 23)."
< 1318854965 938668 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dropped the \\s from the example for legibility reasons.
< 1318855046 2799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, \(?: is horrendous syntax
< 1318855070 581724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's easier to quote parens that are meant to match parens, then parens that are part of regex syntax
< 1318855086 236114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people call Perl unreadable, but it's really doing better than its competitors on that (that didn't just outright copy it)
< 1318855164 700201 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hysterical raisins there, probably. POSIX BREs also require \( ... \| ... \) for grouping.
< 1318855205 654832 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db41a55.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318856169 432942 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318856230 518319 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318856437 76662 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, weirdest reason for a student to leave my course ever (well, so far at least): "I'm actually a second year"
< 1318856440 738972 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a first year course)
< 1318856478 108147 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318856486 828544 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Around here, those things are just very vague recommendations. Even prerequisites are rarely checked very strictly.
< 1318856534 202213 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more important around here because it matters for mark calculation
< 1318856589 566950 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Well, our courses are usually part of a particular "module", but you can generally build those up in arbitrary order.
< 1318856992 782338 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318857519 926921 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Earth's tidal oscillations introduce dissipation at an average rate of about 3.75 terawatt." These energy-conscious days, shouldn't we be trying to cut that down a bit?
< 1318857723 62843 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would happen if you reverse the direction of the Earth spinning?
< 1318857777 465090 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but I strongly suspect time would not start to run backwards.
< 1318857788 242891 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1318857825 559473 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with that.
< 1318857833 709754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the superman movie shows clear evidence of that
< 1318857840 614357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the first
< 1318857927 872244 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Right, he spins the globe and then nothing happens. Quite an anticlimactic moment.
< 1318857946 469902 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318857974 619062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what
< 1318857976 394551 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, didn't he just fly around backwards or something?
< 1318857981 861050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION missed a "not" up there

< 1318858004 940701 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe it's still admissible as evidence.
< 1318858026 720712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, but it looked like it made the earth turn backwards
< 1318858041 881562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly some badass frame dragging involved
< 1318858187 547200 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of which, the JET fusion reactor... sorry, "fusion device", has two 775-ton flywheels spinning at 225 rpm. That's quite a lot of spinning.
< 1318858428 350448 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alpha doesn't do moments of inertia.
< 1318858430 650448 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this crap.
< 1318858619 417103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_moments_of_inertia
< 1318858700 424145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably m*r^2/2
< 1318858728 515409 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each flywheel has a radius of 4.5 metres.
< 1318858780 130351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this assumes uniform thickness, i think
< 1318858793 231264 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, it is not.
< 1318858809 545673 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, but the next sentence gives the moment of inertia. :)
< 1318858814 227181 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- weighs 775 tons (!), much of which is concentrated on the rim to form a large flywheel. For experts – the total moment of inertia is 13.5 million kg.m2 per flywheel!"
< 1318858999 82825 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Giving the value to W|A works in the sense that it is interpreted as moment of inertia, but it doesn't give all those funny "comparisons" values, like it does for angular velocity and such things.
< 1318859033 997397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 1/2 * 13500000 kg m^2 * (225 / min)^2 -> Joule
< 1318859044 977456 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown symbol "Joule" \ Warning: undefined symbol "Joule". \ Unconvertable expression: \   94921875 m^2 s^-2 kg (energy) -> Joule (undefined symbol)
< 1318859052 326522 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, the angular velocity of the JET flywheel is 0.75 times the angular velocity of a 3.5-inch floppy disk.
< 1318859054 262131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 1/2 * 13500000 kg m^2 * (225 / min)^2 -> J
< 1318859063 817265 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :94921875
< 1318859083 567352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 1/2 * 13500000 kg m^2 * (225 / min)^2 -> kWh
< 1318859091 506290 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :3375/128 (exactly 26.3671875)
< 1318859239 250822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1318859244 612698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 1/2 * 13500000 kg m^2 * (225 / min)^2 -> joule
< 1318859252 379367 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :94921875
< 1318859262 909319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was just a capitalization error
< 1318859351 839844 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's 9.5 MJ of spinning.
< 1318859357 835500 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Today's trivia: the "Subaru equivalent" of LHC beam at top energy is 1712 km/h. (I.e. same amount of kinetic energy in a 3200 kg of mass moving at that speed.)
< 1318859374 550556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: itym 95
< 1318859383 998623 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHUT UP OERJAN
< 1318859442 214203 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so wait, if you crashed a Subaru that fast it would turn into Higgs bosons?
< 1318859461 474607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if you crashed it into a very tiny area
< 1318859588 350043 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 microns across at the collision point.
< 1318859593 724372 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It needs to be a very small car.
< 1318859725 867393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later
< 1318859733 900957 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A barn is the best unit of area.
< 1318859929 621708 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the barn-megaparsec is the best unit of volume, mainly because the stupefying scales involved cancel out to be slightly smaller than a teaspoon.
< 1318859989 973059 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1318860752 891023 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't barn-gigaparsec be a nicer size?
< 1318861270 155662 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318861491 246618 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-217-204.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :The barn-gigaparsec describes the longuest spaghetti
< 1318862547 510554 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, a gigaparsec is a nearly-useless unit, considering that the observable universe is about ten of them across.
< 1318862714 135741 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318862719 399300 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :One barn-gigaparsec is 0.6 times the volume of blood in a typical human. (Thanks, W|A.)
< 1318863041 699339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1318863822 24882 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could write it as kilobarn-megaparsec instead
< 1318863827 773546 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why be redundant on prefixes?
< 1318863841 809093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: oh dear
< 1318863842 183648 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 5 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1318864624 65279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:58:48:  I also guess it's pointless to mention that FBBI was updated too? ;-)
< 1318864624 253002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:59:48:  Somebody announced that here when it happened
< 1318864625 547803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Me
< 1318864639 753063 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guessed that but couldn't be bothered to check
< 1318864767 296535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:27:12:  I found this: http://kirstenmichel.com/ss2.html
< 1318864767 443085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HOW HIGH AM I?" did not have the expected answer.
< 1318864791 21411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:21:25:  I finally have X-Chat on Mac
< 1318864792 593668 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1318864804 546932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You had that before, but all X-Chat ports suck massively
< 1318864816 718374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Or are you using it through X11 or something ridiculous like that
< 1318864833 877316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:42:38:  so at compile time does GHC compute the result of all constants?
< 1318864834 43670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:43:01:  so that t is just a predefined Map at runtime?
< 1318864840 286401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Yes, GHC has solved the halting problem.
< 1318864867 938278 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how that involves the halting problem
< 1318864890 701691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "All constants"
< 1318864918 434867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably computing all constants involves computing every definition that halts, because that's the only reasonable definition of "constant" in context
< 1318864922 79579 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Constants being numerical and string literals and pure functions that work on them
< 1318864935 531707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:43:01:  so that t is just a predefined Map at runtime?
< 1318864937 22297 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does FBBI pass Mycology yet?
< 1318864938 115460 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And character literals and whatnot
< 1318864952 430345 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you see my Prolog map, btw? it feels so wrong writing that in Prolog
< 1318864953 76688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: f x = f x
< 1318864954 562638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pure function
< 1318864956 708697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Yes
< 1318864967 4369 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prolog doesn't even have first-class functions!
< 1318864971 932574 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Compile time <>
< 1318864984 858372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Okay, so CakeProphet wants GHC to be an interpreter?
< 1318864986 33685 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Or infinite compile time, whatever
< 1318865008 837861 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Interpret the stuff that looks like it's constant, at compile time
< 1318865024 521371 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :To whatever degree possible
< 1318865034 873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Nobody seriously wants that
< 1318865036 709851 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you encounter unsafePerformIO# then abort, and such
< 1318865037 869698 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 QUIT :Quit: going back to the non-underscore version
< 1318865053 5260 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've sometimes wanted it at least for certain definitions
< 1318865061 733078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: So, sure, what you're saying is possible but I don't see why you think CakeProphet meant that at all :P
< 1318865082 67738 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just what it sounded like :-P
< 1318865093 341780 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :First thing that came to mind from "compute the result of all constants"
< 1318865177 829727 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: New version appears to hit many BADs but gets through
< 1318865189 320077 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, 9 of them
< 1318865192 819919 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, 8
< 1318865218 524187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I mentioned my map in Prolog to a Prolog teacher who happened to be passing by
< 1318865224 746660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he suggested I try to do lambda calculus in it
< 1318865278 534941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you'll just invent Lambda Prolog or Mercury or whatever but worse :P
< 1318865340 407695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, but it'll be programming for fun
< 1318865344 722498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than for practical use
< 1318865351 548541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't matter if it's worse than existing impls
< 1318865713 920850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:02:14:   Gregor: can you get a tie that's a transparent plastic thing filled with multicoloured glow in the dark liquid
< 1318865716 890031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I STILL WANT THIS
< 1318865723 661834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if that sentence uh
< 1318865725 587401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't make much sense
< 1318865733 769789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree, it would be great
< 1318865755 663949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :glow in the dark liquid already exists, but using multiple colours without it mixing would be hard
< 1318865809 981842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:59:03:  anyone here know a CSS hack that's specific to Windows, as opposed to a particular browser?
< 1318865810 128715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:59:10:  failing that, Chrome and IE on Windows, specifically
< 1318865810 128899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:02:56:  Sounds more like something people would do with scripts.
< 1318865810 129068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:04:16:  so, my problem is that Windows Chrome isn't rendering Unicode correctly, because it's picking an inappropriate font
< 1318865810 461557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:04:43:  and I don't want to just arbitrarily override a list of fonts for those browsers that do Unicode properly
< 1318865813 452070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:05:03:  and I'm just serving a single (computer-generated) HTML file, and don't particularly want to put scripts on it for no good reason
< 1318865818 119080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you really Shouldn't Do That :P
< 1318865827 975288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS sniffing is even worse than browser sniffing, probably
< 1318865834 585474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1318865837 543159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Arial Unicode MS is what most people specify for full Unicode support on Windows, IIRC
< 1318865840 47900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the page is correct, and the browsers are wrong
< 1318865842 778911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it comes with the OS
< 1318865846 736071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, so you're already doing hacks
< 1318865848 250169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my boss is complaining about it
< 1318865851 408611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so you might as well override the fonts
< 1318865855 722028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a lesser hack than OS sniffing
< 1318865875 945645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this computer doesn't even have Arial Unicode MS installed, so it wouldn't be able to display the font suggested!
< 1318865878 942526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:16:15:  ridiculous idea: Chrome probably recognises embedded CSS fonts
< 1318865879 106026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:16:30:  so I could just dump a Unicode font into the page source, probably via reference
< 1318865883 950322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: umm, you could just use @font-face
< 1318865896 279667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that would require the font to exist on the target computer
< 1318865907 524050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, if your irc font has no @ character
< 1318865911 832229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right
< 1318865915 408101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, that's what I was suggesting
< 1318865920 922201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To use web fonts, each form of the font family must be declared using the @font-face rule; for example, to use both regular and italic forms of Jos Buivenga’s Delicious font, you would put the following in your stylesheet:
< 1318865921 86182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@font-face { font-family: Delicious; src: url('Delicious-Roman.otf'); } @font-face { font-family: Delicious; font-weight: bold; src: url('Delicious-Bold.otf'); }
< 1318865921 232894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then call it using font-family:
< 1318865921 233062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :h3 { font-family: Delicious, sans-serif; }"
< 1318865921 379508 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1318866035 322125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:50:42:  fizzie, so wait, if you crashed a Subaru that fast it would turn into Higgs bosons?
< 1318866038 694447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes. But only a Subaru.
< 1318866041 769599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot, what's anmaster going to do with markov? <-- yeah, what style was that?
< 1318866041 916323 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that is just a value of type " airbus is a big fan of avril....but this song " there
< 1318866053 338915 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1318866053 485615 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot* homestuck ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1318866064 215157 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot?
< 1318866064 399313 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ( c) a player who makes further play impossible by eir actions or lack thereof, or typically good morning, or typically good morning, or typically good morning, or typically good morning, or typically good morning, or typically good morning, or typically good morning, or typically good morning, or typically good morning, or typically good morning, or typically good morning, or typically good morning, or typically good m
< 1318866066 526380 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1318866075 575778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it was fungot style
< 1318866075 722764 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: to, uhhh.... w.t.f lol ...out of time!
< 1318866080 215966 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fungot
< 1318866080 415347 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fungot (What I've said myself)
< 1318866083 555284 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1318866084 796169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...out of time!" :D
< 1318866088 264043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:42:27:  ais523_, a gigaparsec is a nearly-useless unit, considering that the observable universe is about ten of them across.
< 1318866091 898131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Sounds good to me.
< 1318866128 397573 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rfk86 page has an Embedded OpenType version of the font in addition to the raw TTF (it was written pre-WOFF, I think), so in theory it should work also on IE 4+ (whereas only IE 9+ does TTF/WOFF); sadly, I don't think anyone has ever tested it with IE, so it might not work.
< 1318866137 421538 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: attoparsec is also a nice unit btw
< 1318866152 827200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/attoparsec
< 1318866158 365519 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :W|A says approximately 29 across
< 1318866168 166945 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh for a package name, okay.
< 1318866173 900134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: 10 ~ 29
< 1318866175 551065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I said that?
< 1318866186 193188 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For large values of 10
< 1318866188 126613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no I extrapolated from the context of the link
< 1318866199 194081 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway iirc an attoparsec is slightly more than 3 cm
< 1318866213 632578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Or small values of 29
< 1318866218 506660 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forsooth
< 1318866271 119313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Or middling values of both
< 1318866284 393416 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, middling won't cut it
< 1318866393 791920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, they could meet in the middle
< 1318866399 754826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say if ten was twenty and twenty-nine was twenty too
< 1318866427 405556 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are still a large value of ten and a small value of 29 respectively
< 1318866460 647308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It seems weird to call that "both", since the changes to both numbers are much less drastic than would be required otherwise
< 1318866470 495670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Both" seems to imply strictly more effort to me
< 1318866487 107616 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said "both"
< 1318866512 603161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Those are still a large value of ten and a small value of 29 respectively
< 1318866513 831479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But fine :P
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< 1318868193 972266 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1318868260 66536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :helo
< 1318868265 278337 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wind's getting pretty nasty
< 1318868270 218723 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to close a window
< 1318868370 137552 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, if you're here, wiki spam
< 1318868891 795540 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1318869242 852171 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what would be tricky?
< 1318869247 480911 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing a quine in Piet
< 1318869378 510467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mamememo.blogspot.com/2009/10/piet-quine.html
< 1318869423 421976 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crazy
< 1318869493 787815 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be linked on the wiki
< 1318869649 49126 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318869657 268907 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's dismal outside
< 1318869668 383941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Nice weather we're having
< 1318869670 348244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snap
< 1318869857 564847 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd wasn't complaining about the weather.
< 1318869861 851976 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was just pointing out that it's England.
< 1318869881 868057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor "Literally lives in America" Gregor
< 1318869898 899038 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how my fore and surname are both "Gregor"
< 1318869924 145874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott "That's my gimmick" elliott
< 1318869941 520458 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My surname is to awesome to be a duplicate of my first name
< 1318869947 466262 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a doctorate to go with it
< 1318869975 503797 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd "Ngevd" Ngevd
< 1318869988 14741 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dr Ngevd
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< 1318870140 531859 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lasagne time!
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< 1318870327 846520 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You quoted me before; what do you know of prime vertical?
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< 1318871196 144704 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
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< 1318872307 978981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi everyone
< 1318872315 235223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1318872333 355356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, you know how the tzdata guy was sued?
< 1318872339 972396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICANN decided to continue maintaining the project
< 1318872345 811495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1318872347 925066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't have been surprised if it was Red Hat or someone
< 1318872349 295244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ICANN?
< 1318872351 120527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat
< 1318872364 963958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're, like, names.
< 1318872368 151713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For timezones.
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< 1318872719 403880 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sued for timezones?
< 1318872737 998111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, the authors of an atlas claimed copyright infringement IIRC
< 1318872753 979905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people think the suit doesn't make much sense, but the tzdata person can't afford to defend against it
< 1318872771 286355 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318872772 786481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not the authors
< 1318872783 192293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just the copyright trolls that bought out the previous publisher
< 1318872784 990908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, some people who claim to own copyright on the atlas for no obvious reaosn
< 1318872797 118346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they bought the company that owned the rights
< 1318872798 766361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems to be a fairly good reason
< 1318872804 138241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, as far as the current law goes
< 1318872845 877051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: apparently the copyright's actually registered to someone else
< 1318872850 562785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, not obviously the same person
< 1318872864 804765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on comments I've read, which might be incorrect
< 1318872869 261426 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone told me that the definition of planet has changed again, or something like that, to make Pluto is now considered a planet, again. Is that correct?
< 1318872871 695797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely remembers that the UK has stupidly strict libel laws

< 1318872876 679248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1318872883 270335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to zzo38)
< 1318872900 907678 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes
< 1318872903 916205 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently they heard it on the radio.
< 1318872905 63064 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exceedingly
< 1318872936 164994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: they probably heard that thing about i-forget-the-name actually probably being as big as pluto
< 1318872977 502149 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, as far as I know the definition of a planet depends on the orbit.
< 1318873002 154402 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And whether it's cleared it's orbit path or something
< 1318873019 276581 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, like that.
< 1318873062 757079 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF, OpenIndiana has files in .zlib format. I don't think Debian even has a decompressor for raw zlib data.
< 1318873082 874962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does, zlib :-)
< 1318873088 313531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: are you sure it's not just gz or something?
< 1318873091 976071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what is OpenIndiana?
< 1318873111 413613 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nope. It's named .zlib, and file reports "data". I think it's reasonable to assume it's raw zlib.
< 1318873117 622335 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Fork of OpenSolaris.
< 1318873120 410814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1318873126 696541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Better question, why are you...
< 1318873130 986234 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Giggles?
< 1318873138 415144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: If you're into that, I guess.
< 1318873149 60109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :solaris is so weird
< 1318873152 504184 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like really weird
< 1318873166 580081 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :only ever used it once
< 1318873174 453384 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm should try it out in an vm maybe
< 1318873188 274799 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: qpdf should provide zlib-flate
< 1318873196 998892 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: lolwut
< 1318873215 888363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: strange package to do that
< 1318873220 235776 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I installing a PDF viewer (or something thereabout) to get a zlib extractor?
< 1318873223 757910 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :       The zlib-flate program is part of the qpdf package.
< 1318873227 29008 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :       The  zlib-flate program standard from input and writes to standard out‐
< 1318873230 620704 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :       put either compressing or compressing its input using raw zlib compres‐
< 1318873234 61197 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :       sion.   This program is provided primarily as a debugging tool.  It can
< 1318873236 564712 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :       be used to uncompress or compress raw PDF streams.
< 1318873239 513908 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz.
< 1318873240 983761 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :" The  zlib-flate program standard from input"
< 1318873241 767679 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1318873248 775272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is not even proper English
< 1318873282 67341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, a quick search shows that TAA sold something to Astrolabe, but it's unclear as to whether it was the copyright to some timezones or not
< 1318873283 279544 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That fragment alone could be proper English if not for the remainder of the sentence.
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< 1318873313 575623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can't copyright timezones
< 1318873318 54596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can copyright books, though
< 1318873319 271162 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: copyright to time zones?
< 1318873323 83931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, yes
< 1318873323 613797 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes zero sense
< 1318873327 40420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can only copyright the formatting of them, if they present time zone data
< 1318873329 343127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder the whole thing's so confusing
< 1318873333 682904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: someone was sued over it
< 1318873339 678897 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: huh
< 1318873340 700763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stopped maintaining the time zones as a result
< 1318873353 246353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ICANN declared themselves in charge of it and started maintaining it themselves
< 1318873376 17736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's why the tz database died
< 1318873384 438789 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did? Didn't notice
< 1318873389 447841 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the tzdata package?
< 1318873395 758056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes
< 1318873396 938881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite nice of ICANN. They won't be put down easily.
< 1318873402 513238 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :flate: inflate: data: incorrect header check >_<
< 1318873409 674978 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this .zlib file isn't even zlib. Or something.
< 1318873417 539085 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: could be zlib with the header stripped
< 1318873428 454602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or with a custom header
< 1318873430 91157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :".zlib" is a pretty descriptive extension
< 1318873435 625950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a nonstandard one
< 1318873437 409825 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually no
< 1318873444 16347 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be a dynamically loadable format
< 1318873449 950780 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about zfs library?
< 1318873454 993783 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not a lot of sense)
< 1318873464 538254 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but well if they have z-file system why not have z-libraries
< 1318873500 546193 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION proceeds to actually install OpenIndiana in VirtualBox because it's easier than trying to extract this nonsense.

< 1318873543 105281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What are you actually doing.
< 1318873548 799417 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: STUPID STUFF
< 1318873557 686334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Suspicious eye.
< 1318873559 2311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s.
< 1318873560 581610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ing.
< 1318873583 551453 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you use a fork of an oracle product inside a virtual machine that is an oracle product?
< 1318873596 301703 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Apparently.
< 1318873603 409880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: A fork of a dead project :P
< 1318873606 403620 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well yes
< 1318873610 658104 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm using Solaris+gelfload as a target to build up a shims library which I will hopefully be able to contribute to maloader. I'm using Solaris for laffs.
< 1318873612 52203 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but there is some irony in this.
< 1318873628 8781 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: shims?
< 1318873633 153220 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maloader?
< 1318873646 747791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: maloader?
< 1318873661 972030 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/shinh/maloader
< 1318873674 215608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yaaay shinh
< 1318873676 653807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1318873699 804265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYONE LOVES SHINH
< 1318873720 111890 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Mach-O loader won't actually let you run OS X executables, because of libraries.
< 1318873745 465492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1318873747 904064 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :432)  I think I managed something like a one-expression increment that was only a few hundred characters long
< 1318873755 506079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that sounds like me
< 1318873757 553773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal:  elliott: I'm using Solaris+gelfload as a target to build up a shims library which I will hopefully be able to contribute to maloader. I'm using Solaris for laffs.
< 1318873758 598859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, like INTERCAL
< 1318873759 368170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1318873759 859745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1318873760 367284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1318873760 847800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1318873761 177560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1318873765 126228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Massacre time.
< 1318873766 79549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quotestripe!
< 1318873772 866465 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :51)  oklofok: I'm a tad over-apologetic. I apologize.
< 1318873774 185100 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :697)  Ngevd:. i'm so kind, even to assholes! anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov
< 1318873775 846486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with 432's addition, anyway
< 1318873776 819015 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Hence "shims". And incidentally, it does load a non-insignificant number of console binaries, including GCC and friends.
< 1318873787 627086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was two, HackEgo.
< 1318873789 770053 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :322)  However is probably better to have both queen/king and government in case one does bad thing, the other side can argue to them
< 1318873790 100690 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :436)  half the time the time travel model is one where a consistent universe essentially seems impossible if it supports any nontrivial agent-like behavior (because certainly one agent will want to destroy it using a retarded paradox), the other half seems to actually assume an implicit extra time axis and moving in
< 1318873790 432568 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :342)  elliott: hey, thinking's easier than using the Internet
< 1318873798 103600 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (Simply by redirecting all the standard C functions to the host's libc verbatim)
< 1318873813 414986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, which of those do you think is the worst?
< 1318873819 158825 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (Which is how gelfload works too)
< 1318873827 782357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 697
< 1318873839 956897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fungot quotes are not eligible for deletion
< 1318873840 190831 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott:, so i'd make stuff up to. why, this is for you guys are a lot, but played so bad and missed that: ( :::ass. in case you missed that: ( :::ass. in case you missed that: ( :::ass. in case you missed that: ( :::ass. in case you missed that: ( :::ass. in case you missed that: ( :::ass. in case you missed that: ( :::ass. in case you missed that: ( :::ass. in case you missed that: ( :::ass. in case you missed that: ( :::ass.
< 1318873843 288625 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well yeah
< 1318873844 110601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, 436 is truncated, although potentially interesting
< 1318873853 794117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote 436 | paste
< 1318873853 941844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :322's probably the worst non-fungot one there
< 1318873853 942067 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i, myself, will bring an end to all. ghosts lurk in the ruins were in truth, and everything in readiness for fnord. under these to tristan d'acunha, a volcanic origin, a high, and was fnord him with his umbrella. " who can have patience to acquire it. just fnord" brutha. " do you know much about gods, i am no fighter:
< 1318873856 429907 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.23600
< 1318873868 187577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's typical of zzo38, but nothing massively special
< 1318873874 62457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, 436 is boring and cut off
< 1318873875 542590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 436
< 1318873877 681743 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1318873881 7887 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: the value of #defines and so on will differ between systems
< 1318873888 111030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do another one since that was a missed opportunity to delete something crap
< 1318873889 93868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1318873889 758156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1318873890 93437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1318873890 413266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1318873890 746288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1318873897 55873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, my browser doesn't know how to open 23600 files
< 1318873901 949609 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Hence "shims"
< 1318873903 123095 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :578)  I MIGHT BECOME GHOST
< 1318873904 775495 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :267)  oerjan: also actually A(4, 4) is larger than any other integer, i learned this the other day when i was reading about this algo, it had complexity O(n a^-1(n)) = O(n a^-1(4))
< 1318873904 922110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yeah
< 1318873905 926849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's not the extension, it's Gregor's server
< 1318873917 678020 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :152)  how does a "DNA computer" work.  von neumann machines?  CakeProphet, that's boring in the context of DNA.  It's just stealing the universe's work and passing it off as our own.
< 1318873917 841615 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :319)  Why do you want to have sex in everything? I don't want.
< 1318873917 988469 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :94)  I cannot eat meat that isn't flat.
< 1318873928 346010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's both; it doesn't know the type because the server didn't tell it, so it tried to guess from the extension
< 1318873935 304670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 95
< 1318873937 609693 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :95) Note that quote number 124 is not actually true.
< 1318873944 384665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 124
< 1318873945 760366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :94 doesn't look all that interesting
< 1318873946 541182 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :124)  Darn, now I can't acknowledge the reference you were making.
< 1318873954 414396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, 95 is massively out of context by now
< 1318873955 4683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, same person by coincidence
< 1318873958 391436 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ais523: And I don't know why the server didn't tell it, so for right now you just have to live with it :P
< 1318873959 465181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that make it better or worse?
< 1318873961 683797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it referred to 94
< 1318873965 979156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll leave 95
< 1318873970 414377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 94
< 1318873972 716717 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1318873985 261534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, the now-deleted 436 doesn't seem particularly quotable
< 1318873995 165235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like xkcd; it's vaguely thought-provoking and sometimes worth reading, but not funny
< 1318874002 231912 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 124
< 1318874004 516629 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :124)  if you claim that the universe is more than 3D the burden of proof is on you to produce a klien bottle that doesn't self intersect    ^ I learned that trick from atheists
< 1318874007 481142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd was better when it /was/ funny :P
< 1318874026 506379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was funny once?
< 1318874048 699509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the one about the doorbell funny, actually
< 1318874063 166367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mostly only because it claimed to be a true story and I can believe that
< 1318874073 559666 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd is hit and miss
< 1318874078 427588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, let's do another round, we don't exactly have a shortage of quotes:
< 1318874080 735763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1318874081 232796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1318874081 560087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1318874081 721927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1318874082 49655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1318874082 268965 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly miss
< 1318874092 687951 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :12)  :d <(I can lick my nose!)
< 1318874101 61040 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally enjoyed the one with the arrow and the boomerang
< 1318874110 284921 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :279)  who's walter bright and why is he so bright   locks: he's to D what I'm to ooc   locks: guilty
< 1318874110 614374 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :662)  But whereas the Zune UI makes one think "I want to kill myself", the Windows CE UI makes one think "I want to kill myself, but first kill my parents as punishment for bringing into this world someone who would one day own a Windows CE device."
< 1318874110 760868 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :466)  I go to clean up the shrapnel from a teabag and you're discussing the definition of god out of nowhere.
< 1318874111 597163 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :555)  You realise the micromanagement it took to make quintopia encrust my silver throne with emeralds rather than a jug?
< 1318874122 154257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 12
< 1318874124 625475 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
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< 1318874133 201913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to end up deleting every single Sine quote, aren't I :P
< 1318874134 688034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes
< 1318874137 172993 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.14273
< 1318874163 839811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, we'll dip below seven hundred soon.
< 1318874192 178995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Sine quotes mostly aren't all that good
< 1318874197 977055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: My joke simpler HackEgo transaction system actually seems just as good as the original one, and about ten thousand times simpler to implement...
< 1318874214 955568 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: THEN DO IT
< 1318874222 207631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: DO YOU EVEN REMEMBER WHAT THAT ONE WAS
< 1318874230 955733 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope
< 1318874234 258546 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you believe the universe is 3D, the burden of proof is on you to build an embedding of every finite graph out of chewing gum and string.
< 1318874245 621172 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: SQL.
< 1318874259 959292 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the problem you're facing is, but since you said "transaction", the best solution is probably SQL.
< 1318874280 485891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO "best solution" equal to "SQL servers are the worst place to look to for ACID guarantees"
< 1318874284 117768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well.
< 1318874289 707888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1318874292 531800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the relational guarantess anyway
< 1318874306 376435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're ACID + some shit, and I think it's the rest of them SQL servers fail at, but happily don't recall
< 1318874309 338527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYWAY
< 1318874324 958110 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: FUSE filesystem over SQL. Doit.
< 1318874326 959502 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized that for ACIDness, I've never even thought to look at something that isn't a SQL server.
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< 1318874347 224000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Commits are only done when there are no active commands running. Whenever a command writes to the filesystem in any way, every pending command (command running or not yet committed) is cancelled and added to the redo queue /in chronological order/ (i.e. in the order HackEgo saw them).
< 1318874355 453034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: After a successful round of commits, the redo queue is executed.
< 1318874367 475655 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :For small applications, SQLite.  For large applications, the mean-looking elephant.
< 1318874390 413328 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For really huge applications, the cute-looking elephant.  But I have no idea how to use the cute-looking elephant.  I bet it's really expensive.)
< 1318874402 111342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So basically, all commands after a write only execute after that write (except they're executed preemptively because most of the time there won't be a write).
< 1318874409 539470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's easier to implement than explain, really :P
< 1318874417 324058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Which elephant is htat
< 1318874418 976842 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I just realized that for ACIDness, I've never even thought to look at something that isn't a SQL server. <-- hm, same
< 1318874419 452020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ht/th/
< 1318874421 593899 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sounds feasible to me *shrugs*
< 1318874426 425044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :where else do you find ACID?
< 1318874434 963096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: STM
< 1318874438 92025 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you know.  The yellow one that pushes things with its trunk.
< 1318874443 371163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything transactional :P
< 1318874450 842253 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doug Cutting's son's toy elephant.
< 1318874452 487406 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hadoop.
< 1318874455 416794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, STM is not to persistent storage
< 1318874465 299843 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kind of key for ACID
< 1318874474 850845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Hadoop is open-source :P
< 1318874475 858760 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not in the STM stuff I have seen
< 1318874485 669120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's not ACIDP.
< 1318874490 105431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Acid pee sounds awful.
< 1318874492 114219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ACID.
< 1318874500 145507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, durability is arguable.
< 1318874510 737568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But certainly transactions can't be undone in STM.
< 1318874512 158779 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the D in ACID implies it yeah
< 1318874512 715970 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are ACID things that are not persistent?  That sounds... not exactly pointful.
< 1318874516 538867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not really.
< 1318874521 478745 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Vorpal: Incidentally, gelfload can run a fair selection of Solaris binaries.
< 1318874528 419642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Sure, if you think ACI and most of D are pointless.
< 1318874529 263419 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: nice
< 1318874533 957068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Ever programmed with locks?
< 1318874534 120793 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Vorpal: Kinda makes you wish microcosm meaningfully existed, donnit :P
< 1318874546 799760 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, locks.  I guess it is useful after all.
< 1318874550 837387 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: :P
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< 1318874565 105238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Locks are not ACID.
< 1318874566 804018 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well it was over my head in that I couldn't understand what you actually wanted
< 1318874572 163815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Locks are proof that ACID is great.
< 1318874575 819687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because locks are awful.
< 1318874589 66191 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1318874603 221096 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :locks are I, possibly A too, but not really
< 1318874636 752091 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :So instead of using locks, you just kind of take all the stuff that you'd put into a lock thingy, and put it in a transaction instead, or something?
< 1318874654 53792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I direct you to the documentation of http://hackage.haskell.org/package/stm :P
< 1318874671 668924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose only http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/stm/2.2.0.1/doc/html/Control-Monad-STM.html and http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/stm/2.2.0.1/doc/html/Control-Concurrent-STM-TVar.html actually matter since everything else is implemented on top of them.
< 1318874701 826325 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought everything was implemented on top of, like, Verilog.
< 1318874703 804995 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION coughs.

< 1318874726 68500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You use a Verilog CPU?
< 1318874735 195590 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.  It really, really sucks.
< 1318874747 98325 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah VHDL is way better.
< 1318874751 671982 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not really)
< 1318874769 291268 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to reboot the computer every time I want to load or unload any code or data.
< 1318874801 70734 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I can load and unload data at any time, but I have to state how much of it I want beforehand, and which pieces of code are allowed to access it.
< 1318874812 127868 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, all this sounds kind of sexy.
< 1318874832 148321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They need to hype orElse more in the stm package documentation; it's not obvious to me that you can do (Process <$> readTChan somequeue) `orElse` (Quit <$ readTVar quitVar) by that description (which you can).
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< 1318874868 173886 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Observation: OpenIndiana kinda sucks.
< 1318874880 196164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. Really???
< 1318874910 334188 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's shocking, I know.
< 1318874925 358266 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what alwaysSucceeds is supposed to do.
< 1318874941 553897 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And all I want is a VFS :P
< 1318874988 61867 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yeah I have no idea how to do a file system. Whatever I would invent would likely be awkward. Because I have no idea how to do one correctly.
< 1318874993 323373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Adds an invariant.
< 1318874995 957486 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: say.  Would you like an application virtual machine that is designed to allow multiple users to allow untrusted code simultaneously, while all their bits of code are allowed to share objects between each other?
< 1318875007 536125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_transactional_memory :-P
< 1318875033 555200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Have I mentioned that @ can do that?
< 1318875034 704964 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah... right.
< 1318875047 155703 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what is @?
< 1318875060 206496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I believe I explained that last time you talked here.
< 1318875063 332866 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it your nonexistent programming project that's like my nonexistent programming projects?
< 1318875072 354255 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: @ is elliott's dream about making his own OS one day
< 1318875092 694275 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not saying some of the ideas in it aren't good. Just saying that waiting for it is like waiting forever.
< 1318875105 358846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh please, the "@ is vapourware" tack isn't even amusing when I've been refining the design with others in public on IRC.
< 1318875107 17192 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Gee, how many abandoned projects do I have?  There's Jath, PhunchLua, AcidLua... and maybe some others.)
< 1318875123 119729 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you have any sort of persistent documentation of @?
< 1318875128 74562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If I'd actually claimed I was coding it now, then you'd have a point.
< 1318875131 532171 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't say "the #esoteric logs".
< 1318875132 683569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1318875140 814846 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My projects have a tendency to not get far enough to count as projects, abandoned or not
< 1318875144 767572 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you.
< 1318875163 847376 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not claiming you are coding. But I'm claiming that the design is taking forever. Design, coding. Two stages of development.
< 1318875189 37688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So, the rate of progress doesn't matter, only time to total completion?
< 1318875200 793000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By that measure, /any/ difficult project is vapourware by definition.
< 1318875206 779392 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what development methodology are you using?
< 1318875210 141297 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: where did I claim that?
< 1318875212 709119 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't say "winging it" and don't say "waterfall".
< 1318875237 743886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Do I really have to name a fad? If I was winging it, I would be coding it.
< 1318875240 534491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal:  elliott: I'm not claiming you are coding. But I'm claiming that the design is taking forever. Design, coding. Two stages of development.
< 1318875251 746381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The design is progressing at a steady rate, so you're just complaining about the absolute amount of time it's taken.
< 1318875256 118724 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: certainly.  You must choose a fad.
< 1318875259 969239 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: where does that say "only time to total completion matters"
< 1318875262 705344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore any difficult project is vapourware because it can't be produced in a short amount of time.
< 1318875271 763193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Pet rocks.
< 1318875273 891871 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm complaining about the scope of the project I guess
< 1318875278 845073 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: good.
< 1318875307 522997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Damn, why didn't I try and clone Unix?
< 1318875314 426057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only I knew it'd make Vorpal happy...
< 1318875317 456133 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If a transaction cannot be committed due to conflicting changes, it is typically aborted and re-executed from the beginning until it succeeds."  That sounds pretty awesome.
< 1318875331 869539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: clone plan9 instead
< 1318875334 684464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: It's implemented more efficiently than that, at least in GHC STM :P
< 1318875341 272533 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1318875380 304621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance (Process <$> readTChan somequeue) `orElse` (Quit <$ readTVar quitVar) as a transaction only "executes" whenever anyone writes to the channel or the variable.
< 1318875555 838174 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suddenly wonder how efficiently one could implement the next-Fibonacci-number function.  Given a Fibonacci number, return the next one.
< 1318875598 272897 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's easy to do with a simple hash table as long as the size of the number has a small bound, like 64 bits.
< 1318875615 931765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: next(n) = n + prev(n) :-P
< 1318875632 67690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prev(n) sounds harder.
< 1318875681 862723 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, it would be much easier to do if it were "given two consecutive Fibonacci numbers, return the next one".
< 1318875692 636335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously prev(n) can = fib(fibno(n) - 1).
< 1318875696 971142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that just offloads the problem to fibno.
< 1318875697 792500 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the easiest possible non-trivial problem.
< 1318875702 735191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: You can probably do it with one of the closed form solutions.
< 1318875708 709650 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :fibno seems pretty easy to do.  Just take the log base phi or something.
< 1318875712 330966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1318875739 672302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :next(n) = n + fib(fibno(n) - 1), where fib and fibno are closed-form.
< 1318875745 950799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds pretty fast.
< 1318875756 3461 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a closed form solution of fib:
< 1318875766 13273 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there a non-recursive form of fib?
< 1318875781 432346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal really does operate about ten lines behind everyone else.
< 1318875788 230076 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :fib(n) = (a^n - b^n)/(a - b)
< 1318875791 17395 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where a and b are constants.
< 1318875792 556918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, the closed form
< 1318875794 314432 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... invert that, elliott.
< 1318875804 63145 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that is becuase I jump between channels
< 1318875816 631033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Huh, is (a-b) = sqrt(five) actually?
< 1318875823 137804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1318875823 626205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett::
< 1318875848 342927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=inverse+of+%28a^n+-+b^n%29%2F%28a+-+b%29 THAT'S NOT A PONY
< 1318875864 53922 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think so.
< 1318875898 498694 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and how's it supposed to know which variable to take the inverse with respect to?
< 1318875904 726227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION plugs in the values of a and b.

< 1318875921 928332 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you know what a and b are?  I don't think I told you.
< 1318875936 11426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic.
< 1318875940 999018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=inverse+of+%28phi^n+-+%28-1%2Fphi%29^n%29%2Fsqrt%28five%29 Well that didn't help.
< 1318875949 455515 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = phi
< 1318875952 762286 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b = -1/phi
< 1318875956 905580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www4c.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP212719heh519ig49ig8300006a4he3dhfchf7h85?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=33&w=240&h=190&cdf=Rotation
< 1318875957 734104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funky.
< 1318875968 167271 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1318875973 483235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I wonder if Mathematica could handle it.
< 1318875993 771047 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1318876004 608096 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a closed form that involves the floor function.  So... use the inverse floor function.
< 1318876011 852091 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is more advanced than W|A in general. Reminds me... Isn't Mathematica 8 out?
< 1318876020 417498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Ah yes, a common function.
< 1318876030 136556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Hmm, it actually looks doable there.
< 1318876036 426597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe.
< 1318876039 722748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, no.
< 1318876045 384460 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, and Wolfie by default assumes phi is a variable.
< 1318876051 870376 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to say "where phi = the golden ratio" or something.
< 1318876061 60566 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And it will say "blah blah blah where phi = phi" in the result.)
< 1318876066 490267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh.
< 1318876069 767571 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfie!
< 1318876078 681050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=inverse+of+%28phi^n+-+%28-1%2Fphi%29^n%29%2Fsqrt%28five%29+where+phi+%3D+golden+ratio
< 1318876087 562138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: See, you just take the reciprocal of the fibonacci number. :
< 1318876088 382733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1318876089 206101 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you idiots doing this time.
< 1318876096 877033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Inverting fib.
< 1318876106 879992 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318876125 362293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Hmm, next(n) = n + fib(fibno(n) - 1) is rather overcomplicated, since it's next(n) = fib(fibno(n) + 1).
< 1318876128 874336 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme see.  Isn't every function Z -> Z extensible to an analytic function?
< 1318876196 671525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oi, help us.
< 1318876203 766596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: http://bigintegers.blogspot.com/2011/08/inverse-fibonacci-invfibfibnn.html
< 1318876207 555516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Here's something awful.
< 1318876214 361315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait.
< 1318876215 509518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has loops.
< 1318876218 319090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow that's ugly.
< 1318876227 810995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5162780/the-inverse-fibonacci-problem
< 1318876229 308923 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use the inverse loop function.
< 1318876233 411831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Looks like there's an O(log n) algorithm for it.
< 1318876252 223813 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah, it's called "enumerate the Fibonacci numbers intil you find it".
< 1318876261 636633 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :...until.
< 1318876268 738806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Oh, right.
< 1318876271 864326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Theirs looks fancier. :(
< 1318876307 105126 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, I think that's actually... quadratic or cubic or something in the length of the number.  So, O(log n).  :P
< 1318876308 275102 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The function just looks like a normal exponential one, but I'm sure you tried that.
< 1318876322 255125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :next(n) = floor(log(sqrt(5) * (fibno(n) + 1))/log(phi) + 1/2)
< 1318876328 427916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Tried what?
< 1318876329 897288 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, no it's not.
< 1318876334 663026 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, plotting fib.
< 1318876341 305442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Measuring memory usage by counting unbounded words is sort of silly, but as long as that's the model, there's an O(log n) time, O(1) word solution similar to Nikita Rybak's that in essence computes n via its Zeckendorf representation, which is based on the Fibonacci numbers (YO DAWG)."
< 1318876343 11842 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With n continuous, of course.
< 1318876357 172320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: But yeah, that matrix thing looks like the best idea.
< 1318876359 644986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also the least simple idea.
< 1318876367 238878 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, wait.  The problem was "Given F(n) for n > 2, what is n?".  So enumerating the Fibonacci numbers would be O(n).
< 1318876373 112336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5162780/the-inverse-fibonacci-problem/5254783#5254783
< 1318876376 244532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes, calculation = approximation.
< 1318876383 491159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Yesyesyes but that doesn't help us.
< 1318876393 363309 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the matrix thing is pretty simplpy.
< 1318876398 287241 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simple.
< 1318876407 947095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Yes, but it's not /stupidly/ simple.
< 1318876424 779106 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, it seems like the obvious-ish way to do it.
< 1318876433 494557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: By the way, what are you actually doing?
< 1318876465 124057 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking for the 56th Fibonacci number?  Calculate the 1st, then the 2nd, then the 4th, then the 8th, then the 16, then the 32nd, then the 64th, then the 48th, then the 56th, and hey, your'e there.
< 1318876470 424509 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're.
< 1318876470 585908 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nothing.
< 1318876471 244805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5162780/the-inverse-fibonacci-problem/5266829#5266829
< 1318876479 863273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Hmm, what if we used the full-precision reals involved there?
< 1318876487 103773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems simplest.
< 1318876488 242877 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :40585 is the sum of the factorial of its digits
< 1318876545 159640 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fac n = product [1..n] in fac 4 + fac 0 + fac 5 + fac 8 + fac 5
< 1318876546 43757 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  40585
< 1318876577 140125 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :115,132,219,018,763,992,565,095,597,973,971,522,401 is the sum of the 39th power of its digits
< 1318876596 400117 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is Ngevd some kind of calculating prodigy all of a sudden.
< 1318876602 38247 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: what number is the sum of the squares of its digits?
< 1318876612 858929 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A website reading prodigy, I'm afraid
< 1318876625 352697 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1?
< 1318876631 720531 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bravo.
< 1318876690 687368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let digits 0 = []; digits n = uncurry (:) $ digits <$> swap (n `divMod` 10); swap (x,y) = (y,x) in digits 9909
< 1318876691 625331 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [9,0,9,9]
< 1318876714 890394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let digits 0 = []; digits n = uncurry (:) $ digits <$> swap (n `divMod` 10); swap (x,y) = (y,x); fac n = product [1..n] in 40585 == sum (map factorial (digits 40585))
< 1318876715 835302 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `factorial'
< 1318876719 15616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let digits 0 = []; digits n = uncurry (:) $ digits <$> swap (n `divMod` 10); swap (x,y) = (y,x); fac n = product [1..n] in 40585 == sum (map fac (digits 40585))
< 1318876719 917876 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  True
< 1318876729 776307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let digits 0 = []; digits n = uncurry (:) $ digits <$> swap (n `divMod` 10); swap (x,y) = (y,x); fac n = product [1..n] in filter (\n -> n == sum (map fac (digits n))) [0..]
< 1318876733 718376 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1318876735 86696 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let n = read $ filter isDigit "115,132,219,018,763,992,565,095,597,973,971,522,401" :: Integer in (==n) . sum . map ((^39) . toInteger . digitToInt) . show $ n
< 1318876736 741890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah.
< 1318876736 995296 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  True
< 1318876752 68771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude Control.Applicative> let digits 0 = []; digits n = uncurry (:) $ digits <$> swap (n `divMod` 10); swap (x,y) = (y,x); fac n = product [1..n] in filter (\n -> n == sum (map fac (digits n))) [0..]
< 1318876752 397996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[0,1,2,145,40585
< 1318876759 646338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'll get another answer for a while.
< 1318876771 467827 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1,2,145,40585
< 1318876771 939988 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Factorions: equal to the sum of the factorials of their digits in base 10.
< 1318876772 213225 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,145,40585]
< 1318876781 902063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1318876783 222836 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of the numbers that are the sums of the cubes of their digits: 1, 153, 370, 371, 407
< 1318876786 369123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a sequence for everything.
< 1318876792 317944 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1,153,370,371,407
< 1318876792 888345 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Fixed points for operation of repeatedly replacing a number by the sum of th...
< 1318876793 170754 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,153,370,371,407]
< 1318876799 801396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 115132219018763992565095597973971522401
< 1318876800 263618 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Armstrong (or Plus Perfect, or narcissistic) numbers: n-digit numbers equal ...
< 1318876800 540507 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,153,370,371,407,1634,8208,9474,54748,92727,93084,548834,1...
< 1318876811 563658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Are you reading the OEIS.
< 1318876814 622131 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1318876823 612036 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1,1634,8208,9474
< 1318876824 56298 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Fixed points for operation of repeatedly replacing a number by the sum of th...
< 1318876824 344204 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,1634,8208,9474]
< 1318876836 32287 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A website that was the first on my long road to esoteric programming I am reading, though
< 1318876847 688686 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an entire seqeunce of sequences there.
< 1318876849 171501 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sequence.
< 1318876858 399393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis bad numbers
< 1318876859 151891 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Badly sieved numbers: as in the Sieve of Eratosthenes multiples of unmarked ...
< 1318876859 424471 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,3,5,7,8,11,12,13,17,18,19,23,27,29,30,31,37,41,43,45,47,50,53,59,61,63,67...
< 1318876863 13898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip
< 1318876866 737837 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you guys mind if I just sort of correct all my typos by stating the correct word afterward, instead of jactually correcting them in place?
< 1318876870 51703 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually.
< 1318876921 243219 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1318876924 699025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jactually.
< 1318876940 73221 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that typo, I must say.  It seems... jactual.
< 1318876977 386795 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :'/win 7
< 1318876999 840907 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :/win 7
< 1318877053 44168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You win seven, you lose even.
< 1318877063 587432 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that supposed to mean?
< 1318877070 511591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows?
< 1318877076 769752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cracks knuckles and prepares to respond to this crazy reddit guy.

< 1318877078 89547 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see.
< 1318877085 637548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't actually crack knuckles, but does prepare.

< 1318877091 72412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/even/seven/
< 1318877092 910544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Does that help?
< 1318877095 376650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except only the second even.
< 1318877097 377961 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly.
< 1318877113 966410 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: okay, now I know what STM is.
< 1318877120 596372 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what the heck does alwaysSuccesds do?
< 1318877123 567375 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :alwaysSucceeds.
< 1318877141 242693 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I just answer my own question, correctly?
< 1318877171 406240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: It adds an invariant.
< 1318877179 195789 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1318877184 78516 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay.  Which invariant does it add, and what is the effect of that invariant?
< 1318877203 485796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alwaysSucceeds adds a new invariant that must be true when passed to alwaysSucceeds, at the end of the current transaction, and at the end of every subsequent transaction. If it fails at any of those points then the transaction violating it is aborted and the exception raised by the invariant is propagated.
< 1318877226 570922 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you give an example?
< 1318877227 890367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So once you do (alwaysSucceeds action), that action must result in true upon execution when passed to alwaysSucceeds,
< 1318877231 74349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the end of the current transaction,
< 1318877234 197259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at the end of every subsequent transaction;
< 1318877242 981153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if this is ever not the case, then the transaction in which it is violated is aborted.
< 1318877247 410868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318877258 286702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Oh, the invariant seems to be represented as a computation which throws an exception if the invariant is violated.
< 1318877266 761625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So e.g. alwaysSucceeds (readTVar mustAlwaysBeTrue >>= guard).
< 1318877299 703892 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can do something like alwaysSucceeds (hey make sure this one variable is equal to five), and then any transaction that sets it to not five will fail?
< 1318877311 771848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1318877319 285225 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds simple enough.
< 1318877331 396279 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318877355 154431 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does check do?  Nothing if it's true, and failure if it's false?
< 1318877361 612747 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back
< 1318877363 753192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :check :: Bool -> STM a
< 1318877363 916470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :check b = if b then return undefined else retry
< 1318877364 63122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#endif
< 1318877370 136519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to be redundant with the standard "guard" function.
< 1318877370 302296 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome.
< 1318877378 380835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has used guard for that in the past.

< 1318877415 112509 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not know of those Haskell programs but it seem it can be used for sure, it might be useful in some cases, probably.
< 1318877459 489172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much of a "Haskell program", it's implemented in GHC internal s:P
< 1318877466 81382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/internal s:/internals :/
< 1318877470 798641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose GHC is a Haskell program, though :-)
< 1318877486 185386 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: STM doesn't have a custom definition of "fail", I don't think
< 1318877499 249117 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or hang on
< 1318877500 229799 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?ty guard
< 1318877501 14465 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *). (MonadPlus m) => Bool -> m ()
< 1318877503 69836 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, never mind
< 1318877505 281637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1318877512 138641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: (It annoys me that STM doesn't have a custom definition of fail.)
< 1318877514 106179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to be able to write
< 1318877515 252630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do {
< 1318877520 91197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Just x <- readTVar foo;
< 1318877521 415840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ...
< 1318877521 906774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :}
< 1318877525 565959 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I suppose GHC is a Haskell program.
< 1318877531 56228 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It annoys me that Monad still has fail
< 1318877532 538206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes perfect sense, declaratively :P
< 1318877540 384540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That's probably never going to change ever.
< 1318877542 544841 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But true, that could be useful
< 1318877548 306569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no way to fix that in a backwards-compatible manner.
< 1318877550 873707 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just switch to Coq.
< 1318877553 516733 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Obviously the reason is for use with do-notation.
< 1318877562 444680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It didn't use to be the case
< 1318877570 113546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was added because newbies got confused at MonadFail constraints appearing
< 1318877571 641811 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Just make do blocks have MonadFail m => m a type
< 1318877573 848797 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they use fail
< 1318877578 911366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relatedly: Newbies ruined Haskell 98
< 1318877580 161745 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, damn newbies.
< 1318877582 559821 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed
< 1318877584 697160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they were even imagined newbies.
< 1318877589 49460 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yes that is one way.
< 1318877611 628403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Did you know that seq was in a type class previously??? And there was a Void type????
< 1318877615 992661 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, monad comprehensions are on the way back (right?)
< 1318877620 698891 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe we'll get there again
< 1318877623 128050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they're in latest GHC release.
< 1318877628 928754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh, and ... what else was in...
< 1318877631 898691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: IIRC (++) was Monoid
< 1318877638 818366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least some common now-monomorphic function was
< 1318877641 635939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it was map
< 1318877645 903504 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe both :-)
< 1318877653 381302 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/references/haskell/haskell-report-1.4-html/
< 1318877658 285545 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another way is to make up a class for DoNotation which includes the stuff for dealing with do-notation directly. And then have default instances, that you can use that.
< 1318877662 764263 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (++) was MonadPlus
< 1318877663 716283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Basically we should just roll back to that release, add hierarchical modules, update base and call it a day.
< 1318877672 564211 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And yes, map was Functor
< 1318877678 707506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Right. So much better.
< 1318877689 105969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I wonder if [a, b, c] was :: (MonadPlus m) => m a
< 1318877694 224827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would only make sense
< 1318877718 414335 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle strict
< 1318877718 833095 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :module Control.Monad.RWS.Strict
< 1318877719 108727 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :module Control.Monad.ST.Strict
< 1318877719 255711 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :module Control.Monad.State.Strict
< 1318877721 7606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: My favourite thing about 1.4 was all the standard monadic combinators were implemented with monad comprehensions
< 1318877723 72083 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?ty strict
< 1318877723 930856 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `strict'
< 1318877725 870751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :strict?
< 1318877729 493789 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :class  Eval a  where
< 1318877729 640648 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :    seq              :: a -> b -> b
< 1318877729 640825 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :    strict           :: (a -> b) -> a -> b
< 1318877730 51534 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :    strict f x       =  x `seq` f x
< 1318877735 428455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes.
< 1318877740 861732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That's dollar sign exclamation mark.
< 1318877756 711098 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes.
< 1318877767 8177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data a -> b  -- No constructor for functions is exported.
< 1318877767 154805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data a -> b = Function (Ptr Instruction)
< 1318877769 721850 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?index ($!)
< 1318877769 948286 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude
< 1318877791 556365 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- right-associating infix application operator (useful in continuation-
< 1318877791 703429 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- passing style)
< 1318877792 101666 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :($)              :: (a -> b) -> a -> b
< 1318877798 510420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :( ) (Function ptrInstruction) x = [asm| push x; jmp $(ptrInstruction) |]
< 1318877800 893421 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, continuation-passing style indeed.
< 1318877802 759263 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1318877813 998327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: heh
< 1318877819 434509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, it is :-P
< 1318877831 7934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did Cont not exist back then? I guess not
< 1318877836 608292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data  Int  =  minBound ... -1 | 0 | 1 ... maxBound
< 1318877850 154051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data  Double
< 1318877850 320994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, they should have tried to pseudo-enumerate it.
< 1318877863 938359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The definitions
< 1318877864 103961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- of enumFrom and enumFromThen allow floats to be used in arithmetic
< 1318877864 269356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- series: [0,0.1 .. 1.0].  However, roundoff errors make these somewhat
< 1318877864 415899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- dubious.
< 1318877866 610353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somewhat dubious indeed
< 1318877880 736254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let foo = [1,3..10]
< 1318877881 892616 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1318877890 465438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (length foo, length (map (/10) foo))
< 1318877892 73956 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (5,6)
< 1318877902 337111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks he already showed Deewiant that one.

< 1318877918 27786 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you did, but I'm quite aware of the issue.
< 1318877928 282573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Conal did that one.
< 1318877940 545818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: (He actually didn't know of the issue until a few weeks ago when people he was teaching Haskell to ran into it)
< 1318877957 109825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The lack of MR is to blame for that one, though.
< 1318877964 26652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as defaulting but that goes without saying
< 1318877970 636766 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've known of the issue for quite some time. :-P
< 1318877978 554701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should get rid of defaulting.
< 1318877980 493793 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah, it sucks.
< 1318877984 831300 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Umm, probably not.
< 1318877990 108544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Why not?
< 1318877993 435373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: OK, for interactive use.
< 1318878006 892365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: But I use -Wall -Werror so I don't get to use defaulting, and I literally never have problems with that.
< 1318878007 548612 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For interactive use and for short one-off programs
< 1318878019 912528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Short one-off programs shouldn't rule the language :P
< 1318878048 921970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "default" with no types could be standardised to turn defaulting on :-P
< 1318878052 508985 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, -Werror?)
< 1318878062 300136 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could work :-P
< 1318878080 777619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Also, -Werror?)
< 1318878092 366250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I turned it on to clean up Shiro and haven't broken the habit since
< 1318878139 274650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's better than it is in C :P
< 1318878173 40792 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It slows down debugging cycles :-P
< 1318878210 598491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It shortens them by letting me fix bugs without running anything
< 1318878226 369406 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's -Wall, -Werror doesn't help you there
< 1318878264 813587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Except for all the warnings you decide don't need fixing because they're not applicable in this case, thus making you start automatically ignore warnings
< 1318878272 273816 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, suppose you run x <- newTVarIO 'a'.
< 1318878276 459617 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's your problem :-P
< 1318878280 503641 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yeah, that's one hundred percent a Haskell statement.)
< 1318878295 73451 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never "automatically ignore warnings" and I find it strange that people do
< 1318878310 428407 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you run atomically (do writeTVar x 'b'; writeTVar x 'a'), and meanwhile, you run readTVarIO x.
< 1318878315 699542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Because you either ignore warnings, or get bothered by the irrelevant ones every single time.
< 1318878320 734953 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible that the second of those things will return 'b' instead of 'a'?
< 1318878359 524894 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warnings don't survive very long so it's not like there's many an "every single time"
< 1318878383 840405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Is that a question about STM semantics or about readTVarIO semantics
< 1318878393 943374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :readTVarIO == atomically . readTVar
< 1318878398 74111 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (length foo, length (map (/10) foo), length (map (/10) (map (/10) foo)))
< 1318878399 658269 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (5,6,6)
< 1318878405 416236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: So no, there is no chance.
< 1318878411 830120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: STM provides no backdoors.
< 1318878504 278626 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess the second thread reads x, and then checks to make sure nobody has written to x "concurrently", and, if so, tries again?
< 1318878512 200762 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Working on Uniquode
< 1318878526 948282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Like I said, the "retry" is just a model.
< 1318878535 440542 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I'm asking about that model.
< 1318878554 519775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: You can reason about STM as if it was sequential execution.
< 1318878565 232440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Oh, the (readTVarIO x) could return 'a', yes.
< 1318878566 994403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm
< 1318878567 449114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right
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< 1318878573 321181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: If the variable started with 'x'
< 1318878576 782543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it could return 'x' too.
< 1318878579 464624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's obvious.
< 1318878583 901501 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1318878594 665087 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess sequential execution is a really obvious way to think about this.
< 1318878607 837496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also think about it as "atomically" grabbing an exclusive lock over the entire system.
< 1318878613 693051 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Solaris ls uses threads.
< 1318878615 336078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the same thing :P
< 1318878620 946900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: SO FAST
< 1318878631 295728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Does it, like, sort with parallel mergesort?
< 1318878640 241924 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HellifIno
< 1318878645 714457 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just know it depends on pthreads :P
< 1318878648 432365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It was a joke :P
< 1318878654 894136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I find it plausible that Solaris libc depends on pthreads
< 1318878656 377433 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO IS YOUR FACE
< 1318878664 785712 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if I do atomically (do readTVar x; hey make sure x is equal to 5; writeTVar x 6), will that transaction just kinda hang around until x becomes 5, and then replace it with 6?
< 1318878668 108239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless pthreads depends on libc I guess :P
< 1318878686 591656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: It'll block until x becomes 5, yeah.
< 1318878695 820461 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will atomically return before then?
< 1318878696 313575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Or, if we're enforcing PURE STRICT MODEL THINKING: It busyloops until x becomes 5 :P
< 1318878706 84806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: No; that's why it's called "atomically".
< 1318878713 689619 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.

< 1318878724 560944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: You can of course spawn it off in a thread.
< 1318878729 672098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just (forkIO . atomically).
< 1318878739 578634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In GHC, that's a lightweight thread.)
< 1318878750 695051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(GHC runs lightweight threads in a few OS threads.)
< 1318878758 280363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You may already know this.)
< 1318878778 310711 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is there, by chance, any way to save all the relevant state to disk at regular intervals?
< 1318878791 457486 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should * do in Uniquode?
< 1318878817 64137 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: it should extend the private use areas.
< 1318878876 386370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Well, you could fork off a thread that does "atomically { x <- readTVar blah; y <- readTVar bluh; ... return MyStateRecord { foo=x, bar=y, ... } }" periodically and writes that to disk. That isn't very nice, though. (You could define a wrapper library that looks like "newTVar :: (Serialise a) => a -> STM (TVar a)" and adds it to an internal list, and uses existentials etc. to avoid actually listing out every variable there.)
< 1318878896 171113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't quite give you the D in ACID, because of course the program could crash before that serialisation happens, but it's not bad, and the wrapper library would make it seamless.
< 1318878906 227077 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.

< 1318878917 207781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: http://hackage.haskell.org/package/acid-state offers full ACID transactional storage of standard Haskell values, with on-disk persistence.
< 1318878926 85498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: But it has some limitations, like you have to define transactions upfront.
< 1318878936 198213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they can't take any parameters that aren't serialisable, for obvious reasons (it's based on log storage).
< 1318878939 328173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, not log-storage.
< 1318878941 309249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But literally storing a log :P
< 1318878954 264957 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :An *actual log*.
< 1318878959 53614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Made out of wod.
< 1318878959 877949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wood.
< 1318878964 334697 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got it.
< 1318878973 71307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like trees are made out of paper.
< 1318878980 599541 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they have wood over there?
< 1318878988 21534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In England? No.
< 1318878991 475818 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.

< 1318878994 597288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you can buy it at petrol stations
< 1318879000 40504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, from lumber merchants
< 1318879005 974085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on whether you want to burn it or make furniture out of it
< 1318879007 296831 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :So all of the wood there is imported.
< 1318879007 443265 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We import it from the middle east
< 1318879023 265183 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Russia
< 1318879024 431700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: there are some areas called "forest" that aren't actually forests
< 1318879030 527441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also some actual forests, though, too
< 1318879041 734338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although mostly just little ones nowadays
< 1318879048 332627 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what are they?  Just sort of regions that contain a bunch of places marked "tree"?
< 1318879056 178745 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :And are all of the actual forests imported, too?
< 1318879056 675617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the trees in the UK are planted deliberately
< 1318879063 934196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Piles of paper.
< 1318879069 206272 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah.
< 1318879084 441014 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do you have to manufacture paper there, or is the natural forest paper enough for all your needs?
< 1318879090 432111 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :And does it grow to size, or do you have to cut it?
< 1318879101 341714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :paper's nearly always done from "managed forests"
< 1318879102 169454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: It doesn't grow on trees, you know.
< 1318879108 452484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are just bunches of pine trees being farmed
< 1318879124 12644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a little logo saying Forest Stewardry Council on it
< 1318879134 962244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to reassure people that it wasn't made from rainforests or something stupid like that
< 1318879150 156581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(incidentally, throughout this conversation, I've been serious and elliott's been joking)
< 1318879162 460454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really???????????????????????????
< 1318879166 250172 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION writes this down: British trees all say "Forest Stewardry Council" on them, except the ones imported from rainforests.

< 1318879173 108666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: as for the areas called "forest" which aren't, they're places which were forests once but aren't any more
< 1318879179 605442 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, OpenIndiana's echo command appears to output by a series of wputchars.
< 1318879191 177413 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I was talking about oil
< 1318879215 237689 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: now, that's too many question marks.  The limit is nine.
< 1318879222 490386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: does it convert what it echos between Unicode normalization forms? that'd be hilarious
< 1318879245 493322 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I choose not to find the answer to that question :P
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< 1318879343 564893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You gotta be joking.
< 1318879371 333061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define	exit(a)	flushb(); return (a)
< 1318879373 480973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Holy shit...
< 1318879456 759661 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like that definition can you write this instead:   return (flushb(),(a))   would this even work, and would that one work too
< 1318879460 909601 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Best part of this completely pointless project is discovering just how retarded Solaris is :P
< 1318879487 385946 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Where's that
< 1318879508 839592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: echo.c
< 1318879525 433313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CCkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcs.wmich.edu%2F~trthomps%2FClasses%2FCS%25202240%2Fsh_src%2Fheirloom-sh-050706%2Fecho.c&ei=EYGcTo7wNdSzhAeBkaGLBA&usg=AFQjCNHHVhYMfSdbCg2o1lwZmN_MOdAt4Q&sig2=ARvlnfObEYkTXCFs5ciiew
< 1318879529 970111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOOGLEEEE
< 1318879531 618369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm
< 1318879539 202173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a comment involving opensolaris but might not be opensolaris
< 1318879541 489162 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cs.wmich.edu/~trthomps/Classes/CS%202240/sh_src/heirloom-sh-050706/echo.c
< 1318879543 161254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, wait, http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/cmd/sh/echo.c
< 1318879546 300017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is
< 1318879549 431857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/raw/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/cmd/sh/echo.c
< 1318879561 9108 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, nice
< 1318879581 114244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does prc_buff do anyway?
< 1318879598 774487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to know
< 1318879601 918172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an mbtowc call in there, anyway
< 1318879604 223730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is fun
< 1318879638 378305 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wurve Solaris :P
< 1318879655 82128 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/cmd/sh/print.c#208
< 1318879671 238397 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writes to a buffer, evidently
< 1318879684 331696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So where's the ncurses part :P
< 1318879712 152523 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/lib/libcurses/ ?
< 1318879723 356048 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solaris and Mac OS X are collectively a great reminder of why the UNIX brand name is not something to be proud of :P
< 1318879849 550874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant:  Also, OpenIndiana's echo command appears to output by a series of wputchars.
< 1318879931 702787 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought wputchar was like a wide putchar
< 1318879967 35295 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses would have waddch
< 1318879971 214876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, darn :(
< 1318879980 789415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just /look/ like curses names
< 1318879981 946655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :flushb too
< 1318879990 392317 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrefresh
< 1318880028 713546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Curses echo: the best?
< 1318880043 672781 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echochar(3X)
< 1318880071 818397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, did people here see the Proggit post about how Outlook can be made to try to open a URL, without permission, on the UI thread?
< 1318880080 145383 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1318880093 29625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1318880123 660228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that worries me, especially the bit where MS don't consider it a security bug
< 1318880129 610455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but just a regular bug
< 1318880160 848730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How come jslinux is so much faster than jsmips
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< 1318880799 484198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK, Python has the most ridiculous thing ever
< 1318880886 118748 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the module of silly walks
< 1318880895 688240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No: gc.garbage
< 1318880899 172228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A list.
< 1318880963 410131 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Uhh, it isn't.
< 1318880971 259402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It totally is.
< 1318880983 821126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suspect the answer is "Bellard" :P)
< 1318880990 169047 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a linked list of garbage is a nice way to do refcounting
< 1318881026 159815 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except python wants everything to be freed immediately, doesn't it
< 1318881048 315319 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think the perceived difference in time is because my fork is slow.
< 1318881055 524626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Fair enough.
< 1318881065 573745 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Actual process execution is faster.
< 1318881069 420868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: gc.garbage¶
< 1318881069 589864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A list of objects which the collector found to be unreachable but could not be freed (uncollectable objects). By default, this list contains only objects with __del__() methods. [1] Objects that have __del__() methods and are part of a reference cycle cause the entire reference cycle to be uncollectable, including objects not necessarily in the cycle but reachable only from it. Python doesn’t collect such cycles automatically because, in genera
< 1318881069 757606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :l, it isn’t possible for Python to guess a safe order in which to run the __del__() methods. If you know a safe order, you can force the issue by examining the garbage list, and explicitly breaking cycles due to your objects within the list. Note that these objects are kept alive even so by virtue of being in the garbage list, so they should be removed from garbage too. For example, after breaking cycles, do del gc.garbage[:] to empty the list.
< 1318881071 895161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : It’s generally better to avoid the issue by not creating cycles containing objects with __del__() methods, and garbage can be examined in that case to verify that no such cycles are being created.
< 1318881300 55751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I can't figure out if that's an argument for or against refcounting
< 1318881315 931713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Java decided that finalizers were a bad idea, incidentally, in its solution to the same problem)
< 1318881356 748358 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finalizers are a bad idea for so many other reasons too.
< 1318881360 120151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is, of course, not a problem in Feather
< 1318881370 50410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for oh so many reasons
< 1318881390 719003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, unless you allow retroactive self-modification inside a destructor
< 1318881395 174602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why would you do that?
< 1318881451 661054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Weeell, finalisers are nice for resource management
< 1318881476 939722 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeahyeah, I'm gettin' around to merging GGGGC's finalizers into the Fythe branch :P
< 1318881505 733092 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how in the world does feather ever call destructors...
< 1318881530 918425 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Why not?
< 1318881553 8541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Good, then maybe I can start working on bigints again :P
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< 1318881978 930657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: err, because I don't want to think about the implications
< 1318882003 876114 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a bit of a cop-out
< 1318882007 140438 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let the users figure it out!
< 1318882019 165221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: of course you might want to do that
< 1318882025 118237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: to enforce invariants
< 1318882049 748985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, am I being trolled?
< 1318882052 556438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: say, if bad_thing then canary_ref := () else nop
< 1318882065 391364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :canary_ref contains the sole reference to an object whose destructor goes back in time and fixes things
< 1318882070 181271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, changes the result of a call to the "amb" operator
< 1318882083 900690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why use destructors rather than just method calls? this isn't Reaper
< 1318882101 159762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you can't set canary_ref
< 1318882101 309380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why not?
< 1318882108 888604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the first one
< 1318882122 299568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why it would cause problems to allow retroactive self-modification in destructors
< 1318882123 137337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only modify it so that it had the value () all along
< 1318882127 763013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would merely cancel the destruction
< 1318882136 716694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it wouldn't; the problem then is to determine whether the destructor should be run or not
< 1318882144 482450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the problem the original discussion was about
< 1318882150 600227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you make destructors pure, it's not a problem
< 1318882151 919602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's easy
< 1318882160 512017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: pure destructors are useless, right?)
< 1318882161 668697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you rewind the state, modify it, and run the program
< 1318882168 801128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it runs the destructor, then it runs
< 1318882172 142869 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1318882172 324650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, it doesn't, and it's a paradox
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< 1318882205 74316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (obviously, this is fixed-pointed, so the destructor has to end up doing nothing)
< 1318882212 375533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (in the limit)
< 1318882214 575233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1318882217 43326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you have Feather's time-travel model wrong there
< 1318882232 243386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things always have effects, but are allowed to not have causes from the same timeline
< 1318882233 724526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I wasn't saying that's what actually happened
< 1318882235 528514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a sort of meta-time thing
< 1318882243 780653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was saying that's how you determine whether it runs or not
< 1318882245 983480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where each timeline can affect the timeline after it
< 1318882248 798101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, ouch
< 1318882254 225059 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been such a long time, hasn't it
< 1318882260 113959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : raii (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 10794 points, killed by a raven, while fainted from lack of food
< 1318882262 869871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :relevant, I guess?
< 1318882266 176583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: eh?
< 1318882270 223821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: why were you k-lined?
< 1318882271 544924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: rip raii
< 1318882284 643292 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i was k-lined. too busy to solve that problem until now.
< 1318882313 954964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, no explanation?
< 1318882314 468321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: why did it happen
< 1318882318 267507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: enjoy your spam
< 1318882330 545236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should introduce you to kerio some time
< 1318882336 655288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, probably I shouldn't
< 1318882339 993049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they were in the quotes you linked
< 1318882355 202665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I linked quotes?
< 1318882368 26107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep, in an attempt to prove that our qdb was awful
< 1318882378 934161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :theirs is worse; the top quote quality is better, but the average quote quality is lower
< 1318882394 238540 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: operating a tor exit node on the IP address i was connecting from. just had to change my hostname to get back on.
< 1318882422 237617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought freenode allowed Tor
< 1318882432 739083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1318882441 660515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess maybe you can connect with Tor, but not be an exit note yourself?
< 1318882450 26237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they list a hidden service
< 1318882489 135744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, something irrelevant that happened in RL just reminded me of a /really really bad/ antipattern I saw in student code today
< 1318882507 470905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, why introduce me to kerio
< 1318882512 925788 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antipattern?
< 1318882532 249760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :approximately, it was for(int i=0;i= 3
< 1318882546 693655 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will never be called with n < 3
< 1318882559 87647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, f() wasn't a function, but a block statement (not a massively long one, but still)
< 1318882565 704146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's not an antipattern, that's just... a bug
< 1318882570 846581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at first I thought it was a for-case, then I realised it was even worse
< 1318882575 981816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't handle n>8
< 1318882578 776231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed
< 1318882580 444636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait
< 1318882584 451648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch, it does
< 1318882589 77413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't
< 1318882589 580312 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: like a design pattern, except it causes huge explosions on contact with software
< 1318882594 866973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes it does; it just doesn't do anything past 8
< 1318882595 362053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does nothing for n>8
< 1318882599 498079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, that's not intentional?
< 1318882599 999889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1318882603 803176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, not intentional
< 1318882612 934321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just got bored writing cases, I think
< 1318882641 349949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it wasn't copy-pasted either, I could tell as all the cases were indented differently
< 1318882644 532264 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's actually supposed to happen there
< 1318882653 875786 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start i from 3 and call f() every time?
< 1318882697 736323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it's equivalent to if (n >= 3 && n <= 8) for (int i = 0;i Deewiant: it's equivalent to if (n >= 3 && n <= 8) for (int i = 0;i In software engineering, an anti-pattern (or antipattern) is a pattern that may be commonly used but is ineffective and/or counterproductive in practice.
< 1318882939 882523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the page has a list of common antipatterns
< 1318882959 546346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of which I don't know of
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< 1318884585 502465 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me, or is TMVar a semantically equivalent to TVar (Maybe a)?
< 1318884666 896502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Yes. That is how it is implemented.
< 1318884674 163946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Click the "source" link at the top-right of the page.
< 1318884679 447193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is implemented on top of TVars.
< 1318884684 569923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: BTW, you probably want to read http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/simonpj/papers/stm/stm.pdf.
< 1318884696 751728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It covers GHC's entire STM model and implementation.
< 1318884706 13328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, not the details of the implementation.)
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< 1318885384 687466 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heylook, I'm running Linux binaries on Mac.
< 1318885450 153359 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gasp*
< 1318885472 282995 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gelfload: The bestest.
< 1318885490 68128 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1318885864 933661 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, loader of gelfs
< 1318885884 827385 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor "gelfloader" Gregor
< 1318885894 387329 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need to run the programs I wrote, you might be able to compile them yourself (that is, if it is a C program, Haskell program, etc) and run on any computer. The other one it is more difficult but it can probably be made.
< 1318886121 376578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are an entity that can only make false statements. How can you convince an entity that believes everything you say that you can only make false statements?
< 1318886148 768232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is easy)
< 1318886173 712443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you capable of making /every/ false statement?
< 1318886187 173877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but not all of them
< 1318886190 140433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(finite number of statements only)
< 1318886197 759085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but arbitrary (finitely-sized) statements)
< 1318886199 241049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, who cares about convincing people, just use your ability to solve major unsolved problems via binary search
< 1318886203 230566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by seeing which statements you can make
< 1318886216 113214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: IT'S A RIDDLE :P
< 1318886218 918987 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1318886220 400710 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is how you answer that question.
< 1318886238 450971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, you see, once you've gone and solved a bunch of problems like that
< 1318886247 331648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll become obvious that you have some magic ability to sense truth values
< 1318886256 186977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey quintopia, Phantom_Hoover, YOU DO IT INSTEAD
< 1318886258 405379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it'd become an issue of only-true versus only-false, which should be obvious
< 1318886278 456859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Dude, the other entity doesn't apply intuition.
< 1318886284 726922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said "entity" not "person" :P
< 1318886291 128368 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1318886296 449070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: waht
< 1318886364 535247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: SOLV RIDLE
< 1318886370 571217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's trivial :P
< 1318886371 877193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Candle.
< 1318886426 986151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : You are an entity that can only make false statements. How can you convince an entity that believes everything you say that you can only make false statements?
< 1318886427 173403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (this is easy)
< 1318886429 286326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OSOSOEVLE,VE,
< 1318886464 462331 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's half ten; you have passed the threshold beyond which answers other than 'candle' will be provided.
< 1318886557 59092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You're even worse than ais523.
< 1318886572 670197 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (just guessing) the answer is three, right?
< 1318886573 467133 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what if I tell it two contradictory lies?
< 1318886578 748526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no.
< 1318886583 536968 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn.
< 1318886584 101869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Then it dies.
< 1318886590 73312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: And you lose.
< 1318886593 47639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As does humanity.
< 1318886603 258262 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what do gnomes often own in AceHack that they don't in vanilla?
< 1318886629 976259 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Candles.
< 1318886646 900587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you guess?
< 1318886669 599844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What's an obsolete method of producing light?
< 1318886675 782885 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Candles.
< 1318886720 424826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wrong, torches
< 1318886735 600957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what's an odd number?
< 1318886744 670531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Candles.
< 1318886750 774211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wrong, 5
< 1318886771 568540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Wrong, 523>.
< 1318886773 384104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh.
< 1318886777 7511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Wrong, 523.
< 1318886795 205670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the only acceptable answers are from 3 to 8 inclusive
< 1318886803 943895 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Astronomers use supernovas of type 1a as standard what?
< 1318886810 48977 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Candle!
< 1318886849 453133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, candle_s_
< 1318886862 518738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What did Mr. McCandless have none of?
< 1318886881 255886 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whisky.
< 1318886897 50434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The correct answer was candles.
< 1318886995 271975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thus we get a glimpse into the true mind of a Scot like Phantom_Hoover: Candles, whisky, and nothing else.
< 1318886996 755241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :provisional list of things that are not questions to which "Candles" is the correct answer: INTERCAL, the US national debt, manhole covers, this sentence
< 1318887011 791441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: candles
< 1318887013 275645 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what more does one need?
< 1318887019 798691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it
< 1318887037 286892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1318887081 21114 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i can just imagine Phantom_Hoover going down the stairs of his huge castle in a nightgown carrying whisky and a candle.
< 1318887094 234767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you just made me realise that I have somehow internalised Wikipedia stock phrases
< 1318887110 219036 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I have the best castle.
< 1318887120 947519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so has everyone else; that's why the {{citation needed}} meme works
< 1318887132 658837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's a rather more obvious one than the one you used
< 1318887135 122648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1318887135 782824 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he probably also has chains; he's a phantom, after all
< 1318887202 342143 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: everyone else {{who}} ?
< 1318887237 703015 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess if it really is everyone, it's not technically a weasel word
< 1318887306 335634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"everyone"'s the opposite of a weasel word
< 1318887311 482132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: huh, has {{citation needed}} always been that?
< 1318887314 966209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was a redirect to {{fact}}
< 1318887317 935780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only weaselish due to not being believable
< 1318887322 629452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems to be the other wway around
< 1318887335 828828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that name's existed pretty much forever, but {{fact}} was the official name for ages
< 1318887343 415378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1318887346 546587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was probably changed as part of the campaign to have long readable English official names for templates
< 1318887356 701683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the basis that it doesn't matter which name's official anyway
< 1318887358 17540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1318887363 298117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I'm inclined to agree
< 1318887368 249017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it serves as documentation
< 1318887385 462074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: This template was considered for deletion on 2006 July 1. The result of the discussion was nomination withdrawn on procedural technicality (and discussion was overwhelmingly in favor of keep).
< 1318887391 925384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
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< 1318887397 41515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "overwhelmingly" italicised in original
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< 1318887407 162221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nd instances of its use should be replaced with appropriate discussions on the talk pages of the articles where it is used. dryguy 17:57, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
< 1318887412 762676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure /that/ went down well
< 1318887422 990480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a general rule of Wikipedia is that any sufficiently well-known non-article page will have been nominated for deletion
< 1318887424 896949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only five thousand million billion trillion occurrences to fix
< 1318887451 643005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a corollary, in the case of a /really/ well known-page like the main page or AfD, it will actually have been deleted
< 1318887468 41211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I saw an AfD once for [[Adolf Hitler]], where the submitter argued that since Hitler was a bad man (they didn't say evil or anything, literally "bad") there shouldn't be an article on him
< 1318887469 73887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the developers made the sandbox undeletable at one point, because someone deleting it crashed the servers)
< 1318887471 207405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as punishment, I guess?
< 1318887498 73600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, why would that crash the servers?
< 1318887508 530463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because of people trying to edit a page that doesn't exist and that codepath not being optimised?
< 1318887520 648707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, because it was trying to move all the edits to the sandbox ever from one db table to another
< 1318887524 155096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and /that/ codepath wasn't optimised
< 1318887526 793704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha
< 1318887539 780134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I wonder how much space the history for the sandbox takes up
< 1318887585 556077 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the year 3000, the history for the sandbox will occupy most of the main landmass on planet Xygiton 5
< 1318887603 618296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the sandbox history was actually perma-deleted after that incident
< 1318887607 779004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than just moved to the archive table
< 1318887628 650505 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil revisionists!
< 1318887723 881381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, after that happened they added a limit where pages with more than 5000 revisions couldn't be deleted
< 1318887745 974617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and someone tried to edit the main page 5000 times in order to make it undeletable (Wikipedians have a tendency to come up with "ingenious" workarounds like that)
< 1318887753 337184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the main page actually was deleted because they'd miscounted
< 1318887759 764243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the devs got really really angry
< 1318887769 747715 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huffin' and puffin'
< 1318887794 253794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointing out how much server load it would be to spam 5000 edits into the main page of every Wikimedia wiki in every language
< 1318887852 861493 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So have you stopped using partial functions
< 1318887864 827467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: When
< 1318887872 599643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually avoid partial functions, and always have
< 1318887881 491680 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yeah he's concentrating on beating his girlfriend now
< 1318887893 832144 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I mean completely
< 1318887904 296887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Why would I do that
< 1318887906 406558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"div" is pretty useful
< 1318887947 415802 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fromMaybe (error "b is zero") (a `tryDiv` b)
< 1318887958 450376 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just musing based on that article in /r/haskell
< 1318887958 597064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Do you do that
< 1318887973 494251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Right, I don't think anyone doesn't use partial functions, and I don't know why you think I would :P
< 1318887980 268466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like head are pretty egregious; div isn't
< 1318887985 503511 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just saw your comments so I figured I'd ask
< 1318887992 402052 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about things like head, then?
< 1318888011 314208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, head's dubious enough that any use of it should probably have an explanatory error message
< 1318888022 260095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like div is benign
< 1318888040 566376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although if we got a Nat1 where (0 :: Nat1) was a compile time failure, I'd be all for div :: (Integral a) => a -> Nat1 -> a
< 1318888043 840633 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :D'oh, I'm a bad person then
< 1318888046 179067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :head /etc/passwd -n 1 || echo "there are no users help"
< 1318888049 313240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: When do you use head
< 1318888053 292329 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :readOct' = fst . head . readOct
< 1318888054 807392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I've got the args backwards there, right?
< 1318888061 951862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :head -n 1 /etc/passwd || echo "there are no users help2
< 1318888064 260137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/2/"/
< 1318888067 588268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Here's what I normally do for read:
< 1318888092 681805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: case reads str of [(n,"")] -> n; _ -> failSomehow
< 1318888096 640413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I take it this is in your UI
< 1318888106 434092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case you should probably do the general "print error, display usage" thing
< 1318888109 700454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't matter for quick hacks obviously
< 1318888116 732295 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's used after parsing octal digits with trifecta
< 1318888128 4519 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it "shouldn't fail ever"
< 1318888128 769543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Then why do you need to turn it into a string
< 1318888132 783235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can construct a parser that reads octal
< 1318888139 220566 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to turn it into a number
< 1318888148 287865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: And?d
< 1318888150 104257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/d//
< 1318888160 962080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: To parse octal: Read octal digit, read octal number, combine the two appropriately.
< 1318888167 61426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: Parser Integer
< 1318888174 497642 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "combine the two appropriately" is implemented in Numeric.readOct
< 1318888192 789573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: No, combining the two is as simple as
< 1318888202 221199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :d*8 + r
< 1318888222 92309 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :d*8 + digitToInt r
< 1318888229 120136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um
< 1318888230 750797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :d is the digit here
< 1318888237 194058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless your octal is backwards
< 1318888245 281660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh err
< 1318888252 532444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, you have to do it backwards
< 1318888261 931514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's left-recursive :(
< 1318888267 41499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: But anyway, just write your own as a Parser :P
< 1318888270 344747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or don't, but that's what I'd do
< 1318888281 162641 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a Parser, it just uses readOct
< 1318888289 287228 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a rather silly thing to roll your own though...
< 1318888289 836943 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of a hand-written foldl
< 1318888292 420113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Gah
< 1318888296 541624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It wouldn't be a foldl
< 1318888308 467733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Don't read many octal digits and then combine them
< 1318888313 246532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do it step-by-step
< 1318888331 852239 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle chainl
< 1318888332 200624 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.Parsec.Combinator chainl :: Stream s m t => ParsecT s u m a -> ParsecT s u m (a -> a -> a) -> a -> ParsecT s u m a
< 1318888332 487809 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.ParserCombinators.ReadP chainl :: ReadP a -> ReadP (a -> a -> a) -> a -> ReadP a
< 1318888332 634568 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.ParserCombinators.Parsec.Combinator chainl :: Stream s m t => ParsecT s u m a -> ParsecT s u m (a -> a -> a) -> a -> ParsecT s u m a
< 1318888338 942938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See
< 1318888339 440911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tada
< 1318888363 772791 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle chainl1
< 1318888364 22492 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.Parsec.Combinator chainl1 :: Stream s m t => ParsecT s u m a -> ParsecT s u m (a -> a -> a) -> ParsecT s u m a
< 1318888364 300204 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.ParserCombinators.ReadP chainl1 :: ReadP a -> ReadP (a -> a -> a) -> ReadP a
< 1318888364 446937 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.ParserCombinators.Parsec.Combinator chainl1 :: Stream s m t => ParsecT s u m a -> ParsecT s u m (a -> a -> a) -> ParsecT s u m a
< 1318888367 488234 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that different from a foldl :-P
< 1318888404 354690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Because you avoid the partiality?
< 1318888406 520162 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway it's not appropriate in this particular case as I know exactly how many characters I've got
< 1318888411 737436 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is foldl partial?
< 1318888417 213819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: readOct is
< 1318888418 701485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: And it also uses less memory, presumably
< 1318888423 525401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because many has to keep them all in memory
< 1318888464 440348 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At this point I was comparing foldl to chainl, not readOct
< 1318888471 165032 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a foldl it wouldn't be partial
< 1318888532 429246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, when did you start being slavishly legal?
< 1318888546 695153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: there was a time when I wasn't?
< 1318888558 763634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Right
< 1318888559 428292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps there was, but I don't really remember it well
< 1318888580 997665 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, I mean, did you never sing Happy Birthday at parties?
< 1318888618 888315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it was a while before I discovered that that was illegal, and I'm still not sure on the matter
< 1318888640 813578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, we used to sing it to the tune of "good morning to you", because that's what was in the book of piano tunes we bought
< 1318888644 4517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it differs by one note)
< 1318888650 538121 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So it doesn't seem like chainl could help me here, and writing the foldl probably wouldn't simplify this any
< 1318888665 205129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh well, sucks to be you then
< 1318888711 775161 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see you're interested :-)
< 1318888738 560383 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't think that makes it legal?
< 1318888761 252566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it does, because IIRC Happy Birthday To You was a modification of Good Morning To You in the first place
< 1318888784 169124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: How does (forever $ a `catch` b) parse
< 1318888790 596973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I am, but you haven't given sufficient details
< 1318888824 453540 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0 `catch`)
< 1318888825 465062 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  The operator `System.IO.Error.catch' [infixl 9] of a section
< 1318888825 713622 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :     must have...
< 1318888845 727927 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as forever (catch a b), i'd assume
< 1318888862 511825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks
< 1318888870 622128 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a <- octDigit; b <- optional octDigit; c <- optional octDigit; return (plzCombine a b c)
< 1318888885 195156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Dude, just unroll it
< 1318888902 994280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: (a*16 + b*8 + c)
< 1318888925 372134 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like magic numbers :-P
< 1318888931 200247 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: technically, it has to be that or be a parse error (if there were an infixl? 0 `catch`)
< 1318888983 370219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh come on
< 1318888990 947714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Right
< 1318889017 677312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What about
< 1318889025 129874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :      forever $ B.hGetLine h >>= writeChan lineChan `catch` ignoreEOFError
< 1318889055 348267 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever (B.hGetLine h >>= (writeChan lineChan `catch` ignoreEOFError))
< 1318889060 290638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: darn, you're right :(
< 1318889062 301584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION parenthesises more

< 1318889068 730344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1318889099 642880 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`catch` presumably has no fixity defined, so defaults to infixl 9
< 1318889101 290062 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: catch`: not found
< 1318889135 989341 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not _that_ common to define fixities of alphanumerics
< 1318889145 307143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well sure, but `catch` is common :P
< 1318889154 225015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I can avoid it if I do forever . handle ignoreEOFError.
< 1318889158 61879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait
< 1318889160 73410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even want to ignore it
< 1318889161 927944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to kill the thread
< 1318889164 920586 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the division operators excepted
< 1318889180 290146 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318889191 373474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is there really no simpler way of doing myThreadId >>= killThread...
< 1318889229 271861 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Call the continuation!
< 1318889243 653181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: THX SUPER HELPFUL :P
< 1318889251 432377 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, can't you just throw an exception?
< 1318889260 485211 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what about simply not using catch at all? :P
< 1318889271 194865 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :throw ThreadKilled
< 1318889286 595004 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't that kill the thread
< 1318889298 788894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well yes but that's awful too.
< 1318889302 410811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, but it prints an ugly error message.
< 1318889306 200637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll just define my own loop structure.
< 1318889309 945045 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill -9 $$
< 1318889310 490619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1318889314 773540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :      (forever $ (B.hGetLine h >>= writeChan lineChan)) `catch` ignoreEOFError
< 1318889315 776815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was easy
< 1318889320 310910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can reduce parens
< 1318889324 464758 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION isn't even sure what elliott was trying to do.

< 1318889343 781616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Quit the thread silently on EOF.
< 1318889351 520210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :      handle ignoreEOFError . forever $ B.hGetLine h >>= writeChan lineChan
< 1318889352 14321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tada.
< 1318889409 629759 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bewdiful
< 1318889428 273211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I SENSE SARCASM
< 1318889476 872326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oerjan: OK, you have to admire this GHC error for me.
< 1318889478 503653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t forever
< 1318889479 454773 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a b. (Monad m) => m a -> m b
< 1318889483 320999 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wom 8
< 1318889485 313609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  forever $ readChan lineChan >>= B8.putStrLn
< 1318889489 432542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/elliott/Code/mergeln/mergeln.hs:19:3:
< 1318889489 598339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Warning: A do-notation statement discarded a result of type GHC.Prim.Any.
< 1318889489 745019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :             Suppress this warning by saying "_ <- ($)
< 1318889489 745172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                     forever (>>=) readChan lineChan B8.putStrLn",
< 1318889489 745281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :             or by using the flag -fno-warn-unused-do-bind
< 1318889494 438613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: shachaf: I just...
< 1318889498 731775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am literally speechless.
< 1318889504 734445 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ooh, give it to #haskell
< 1318889513 741840 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were just talking about it.
< 1318889522 369594 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: D:
< 1318889548 450758 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is this even in a do block?
< 1318889561 317911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yes
< 1318889569 558781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: They were?
< 1318889587 24114 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, it might not've been "just"
< 1318889601 143409 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hm it's because the forever result defaults to Any rather than (), presumably
< 1318889674 459025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah
< 1318889703 727415 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but logically, Any should be just as discardable
< 1318889721 273397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: apparently it's probably a bug
< 1318889750 658552 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's how it works when you default a type variable with no class restriction
< 1318889760 53924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, I mean the warning
< 1318889824 438813 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it would make sense to do something else, naturally.
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< 1318890094 161626 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall forever used to have a stricter type, then we noticed it didn't need one
< 1318890166 729128 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i guess if you are warning against discarding non-()'s in do, then it would make sense to restrict forever to have m () argument
< 1318890186 366609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I want forever :: IO () -> IO ()
< 1318890218 823532 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people want when :: Bool -> IO a -> IO ()
< 1318890233 100555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t when
< 1318890233 968671 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *). (Monad m) => Bool -> m () -> m ()
< 1318890240 514061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Some people are wrong
< 1318890257 105298 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318890360 465816 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some kind of whenFoo :: Bool -> IO a -> IO (Maybe a) might be nice
< 1318890454 330717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: You writing half my program drove me to actually bother writing mine, so thanks I guess :P
< 1318890502 430535 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1318890504 593308 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I what?
< 1318890528 577864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: You wrote half that line-merging program in C#
< 1318890540 578396 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh
< 1318890555 424698 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust215.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no need to thank since you didn’t use any of it :-p
< 1318890586 153453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the Haskell<->C# bridges are like.
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< 1318891481 895283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl if isEOFError e then return () else throwIO e
< 1318891482 181282 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(line 1, column 31):
< 1318891482 415235 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected " "
< 1318891482 561858 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :expecting variable, "(", operator or "else"
< 1318891487 170683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_<
< 1318891492 931044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl unless (isEOFError e) (throwIO e)
< 1318891493 211143 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless (isEOFError e) (throwIO e)
< 1318891499 522999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl \e -> unless (isEOFError e) (throwIO e)
< 1318891499 801220 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftM2 unless isEOFError throwIO
< 1318891505 493759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Should I should I should I
< 1318891513 72099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to using guards :-P
< 1318891636 596919 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftM2 unless reads a bit strangely IMO :-P
< 1318891663 383748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I would use the Applicative operators
< 1318891678 579114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless <$> isEOFError <*> throwIO
< 1318891743 6875 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I thought about that but honestly I might also just leave it pointed
< 1318891757 439521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yeah, this is just distracting me from my Weird Bug :P
< 1318891770 267799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: A conditional + return () just made me think.
< 1318891780 990453 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, in general I don't like "unless" but that seems like an appropriate case
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< 1318892130 876281 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The <*> operation in Haskell does not seem to me entirely useful for most purposes, as far as I can tell.
< 1318892181 936907 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it can be used defining other things in terms of that, I suppose, including <* and *> are automatically figured out from that, I think
< 1318892199 897103 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it is most useful when chained as f <$> m1 <*> m2 <*> ...
< 1318892233 485936 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. I have never used it like that.
< 1318892240 496913 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it then replaces all the liftA* functions, including for sizes not predefined
< 1318892242 350071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it lets you lift a function of arbitrary arity into the monad
< 1318892247 359398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the applicative :-)
< 1318892249 41234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g.
< 1318892253 513494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really useful in parsers:
< 1318892265 311426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MyData <$> subpart <*> anothersubpart <*> anothersubpart
< 1318892274 494790 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And any monad forms an applicative, so that it can work; OK
< 1318892286 306497 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott'sData
< 1318892300 469445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, my data.
< 1318892301 437803 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: O, that is its use. I have just used liftM2 a lot
< 1318892316 906203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yeah, I prefer the applicative operators, since you need fewer parens, and you don't have to specify the arity upfront
< 1318892319 166296 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftM2 = liftA2; liftA2 f x y = f <$> x <*> y
< 1318892386 13893 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I suppose you are correct and that is a use. I didn't know that before.
< 1318892433 390183 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have written parsers in Haskell, using Parsec, and I have just used liftM2, sometimes liftM3, and often using *> and <* and <|> and <$>
< 1318892680 926769 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And <$ is also useful
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< 1318893083 867694 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh, <*> can also be useful directly if you have a prefix operator which you want to parse as a constructor applied to its argument.  and we once found a use for <**> for parsing a similar postfix operator for an esolang
< 1318893108 409322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, I don't understand what you mean there
< 1318893167 931191 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well say you have a Negate constructor, then you can parse as (char '-' *> Negate) <*> expr
< 1318893168 857004 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Can you give the specific example of that use of the <*> operator?
< 1318893190 873575 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or similar
< 1318893223 534040 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: O, like that. Do you mean:   (Negate <$ char '-') <*> expr   since the arguments to *> must be the same applicatives
< 1318893235 513287 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1318893324 107271 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the <**> example we had was something like ... <**> ((negate <$ char '-') <|> id)
< 1318893346 756279 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where - was postfix and the result of the calculation was evaluated
< 1318893370 204270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure id
< 1318893382 607470 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1318893454 919033 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1318893458 291511 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle option
< 1318893458 641232 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.Html option :: Html -> Html
< 1318893458 937046 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.Parsec.Combinator option :: Stream s m t => a -> ParsecT s u m a -> ParsecT s u m a
< 1318893459 83719 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.ParserCombinators.ReadP option :: a -> ReadP a -> ReadP a
< 1318893506 403076 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps option id (negate <$ char '-') would have been better
< 1318893521 204165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1318893638 416459 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes that might be it
< 1318894117 17436 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I ever mentioned how confusing it is that the Bank of Scotland and the Royal Bank of Scotland are completely separate entities?
< 1318894141 908995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are?
< 1318894145 993011 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1318894156 70668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any common ancestry?
< 1318894165 793173 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not AFAIK.
< 1318894291 998274 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, they're unrelated.
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< 1318894928 3452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You should debug my code.
< 1318895031 716979 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's that word, "should".
< 1318895062 906920 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :enslaving civilizations.
< 1318895113 865180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D
< 1318895115 542655 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enslivilisations.
< 1318895143 762496 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I would debug your code if I didn't have this disability preventing me from doing any kind of useful work.
< 1318895161 296955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's called being a teenager HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
< 1318895262 595799 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn, i'm still a teenager?
< 1318895317 592942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yep
< 1318895362 982103 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :going on thirtytwoteen...
< 1318895375 375391 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no, you're a mathematician.
< 1318895392 132041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You're really old, man.
< 1318895433 240080 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ykgomlbihywmcaidttacrt
< 1318895440 937563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wat
< 1318895456 780809 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's oldspeak.
< 1318895467 806474 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll translate, I know a little more of the ways of the old than you.
< 1318895471 536786 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you kids get off my lawn before i hit you with my cane and i don't think that anyone can read this.
< 1318895491 870246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit oerjan.
< 1318895508 726122 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i suppose i should have given you a chance.
< 1318895529 445255 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's that word again.
< 1318895579 539922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1318896397 949878 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1318899329 166745 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318899332 290403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle Int -> [a] -> ([a], [a])
< 1318899332 436982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot?
< 1318899332 583652 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `->'
< 1318899332 730461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle Int -> [a] -> ([a], [a])
< 1318899332 877240 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude splitAt :: Int -> [a] -> ([a], [a])
< 1318899332 877447 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List splitAt :: Int -> [a] -> ([a], [a])
< 1318899332 877561 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List genericSplitAt :: Integral i => i -> [b] -> ([b], [b])
< 1318899332 877667 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude splitAt :: Int -> [a] -> ([a], [a])
< 1318899332 877770 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List splitAt :: Int -> [a] -> ([a], [a])
< 1318899333 23993 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List genericSplitAt :: Integral i => i -> [b] -> ([b], [b])
< 1318899344 898367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle a -> [a] -> ([a], [a])
< 1318899345 415139 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude splitAt :: Int -> [a] -> ([a], [a])
< 1318899345 610835 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List splitAt :: Int -> [a] -> ([a], [a])
< 1318899345 757420 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List genericSplitAt :: Integral i => i -> [b] -> ([b], [b])
< 1318899507 50465 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (break . (==)) 4 [1..10]
< 1318899508 576952 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ([1,2,3],[4,5,6,7,8,9,10])
< 1318899773 615661 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318900207 948262 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is trying to do something nasty to Numbers

< 1318900291 868345 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle list
< 1318900292 215928 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :module Control.Monad.List
< 1318900292 537699 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :module Data.List
< 1318900292 684646 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language.Haskell.Syntax list_cons_name :: HsQName
< 1318900294 751650 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone else is looking at what I'm trying to do, but I'm hoping he's doing something ... else
< 1318900314 144814 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1318900354 918571 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318900364 655145 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: just divide and conquer
< 1318900366 477461 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I've already had to add this fun pragma: {-# LANGUAGE GADTs, ExistentialQuantification, Rank2Types #-}"
< 1318900460 540953 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1318900489 212132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not much.
< 1318900598 368221 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :such an angry young man http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/lf71l/deprecate_preludehead_and_partial_functions/c2s80l2
< 1318900630 774809 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the worse that can happen if I put a class constraint in a newtype?
< 1318900631 863551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That isn't angry. You've clearly never seen me get angry.
< 1318900633 514775 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Yeahyeah, modulo etc.)
< 1318900641 147342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was just correcting the blog post amendment. :p
< 1318900645 165497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: See, that's me angry.
< 1318900653 240851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: You mean newtype (Foo a) => Bar a = ...?
< 1318900655 423110 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's you every day of the week.
< 1318900665 294342 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Take that newtype back!
< 1318900682 640289 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Bar a, just Bar, then the a is on the right of the =
< 1318900683 485085 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah but i'm just pointing out that your _base level_ is already angry.  also, joking.
< 1318900698 560136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Data-type contexts are not in Haskell.
< 1318900702 727661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their extension is also deprecated.
< 1318900705 454958 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh?
< 1318900710 554934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is because they do nothing.
< 1318900714 84798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they think you do, you are wrong.
< 1318900721 67345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They do something, but it isn't what you want.)
< 1318900728 831635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do not want a data-type context.
< 1318900742 88485 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But they *really* think I do!
< 1318900791 703342 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it won't make my instance work?
< 1318900801 363221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1318900812 976468 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ... can't write my instance then
< 1318900816 21405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would tell you what you need to do to make it work, but you probably don't even want to do that either.
< 1318900819 130962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpaste.
< 1318900924 804268 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on
< 1318900964 942378 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/52778
< 1318900977 14729 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which instance is this?
< 1318900999 776002 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Num FakeNum one
< 1318901008 731893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the fuck sort of number is that?
< 1318901010 708179 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't do that + there, and can't force these things to be num
< 1318901018 526325 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: tricky ones.
< 1318901018 677233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Just make an (a -> b) instance.
< 1318901023 593475 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I can?
< 1318901026 241986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your (+) function is a trivial specialisation of it.
< 1318901037 599098 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, WHAT?
< 1318901099 281510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You handle Sgeo|web.
< 1318901108 828504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is too busy doing stuff he won't facepalm the next day about.

< 1318901131 728543 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think that's how it works.
< 1318901145 892112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally is.
< 1318901148 159857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web:
< 1318901151 158561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (f + g) x
< 1318901151 870885 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what Sgeo|web is trying to do.
< 1318901152 278824 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Ambiguous type variable `a' in the constraints:
< 1318901152 737877 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   `GHC.Num.Num a'
< 1318901152 884391 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :     ari...
< 1318901154 631873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah.
< 1318901155 950303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (f + g) x :: Expr
< 1318901157 264580 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  f x + g x
< 1318901208 466091 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then can I fill in my own values for x given that?
< 1318901229 846376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (f + g) 99 :: Expr
< 1318901230 490936 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  f 99 + g 99
< 1318901236 370338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (succ + pred) 99
< 1318901237 238858 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  198
< 1318901266 523835 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ($ "x") + ($ "y") $ length
< 1318901267 369351 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2
< 1318901272 214306 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Stop abusing Sgeo|web.
< 1318901282 994322 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait.
< 1318901284 114026 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: ^ i think this one is precisely your type
< 1318901285 449187 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-21-30.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1318901288 300298 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web is the abusive one.
< 1318901294 255999 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Stop abusing Haskell.
< 1318901311 543181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Sgeo|web has no concept of using a language as intended.
< 1318901314 534175 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318901321 916176 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: What are s and a?
< 1318901328 45528 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this a continuation thing?
< 1318901328 368490 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know that the way I should be doing this is probably monads
< 1318901344 89499 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ($ "3") + ($ "4") $ read :: Int
< 1318901344 818892 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  7
< 1318901345 338478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: What?
< 1318901346 787928 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: s is something like a String, so I could pass in a function that takes a String and returns a number
< 1318901351 254678 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRB
< 1318901355 226177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: There is nothing about monads here.
< 1318901359 115948 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: ^ like that? :P
< 1318901364 538419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're just using "monads" as a mystical catch-all like everyone who doesn't know Haskell does
< 1318901403 662314 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1318901456 140783 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: also note that instead of the lambda you could write (+) (FakeNum a) (FakeNum b) f = ...
< 1318901458 241645 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ($ "3") ++ ($ "4") $ id :: String
< 1318901460 23970 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "34"
< 1318901460 571252 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg
< 1318901480 912503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Or
< 1318901484 309292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FakeNum a + FakeNum b) f = ...
< 1318901488 828761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not sure that works.
< 1318901493 973648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instance methods have defined arity, don't they?
< 1318901502 524791 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? didn't know you could write it like that on the lhs.
< 1318901516 271747 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: believe so.
< 1318901532 757416 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone else is trying to explain why I need GADTs
< 1318901538 71396 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwat
< 1318901541 712598 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why what are you doing.
< 1318901542 108126 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you don't need to define them pointfully, if that's what you mean
< 1318901548 684933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I mean, does
< 1318901552 537421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a + b) c = ...
< 1318901552 685287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :work
< 1318901553 861438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Where
< 1318901567 926094 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1318901569 629574 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sine
< 1318901572 922054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't trust Haskell advice outside of #esoteric or #haskell :p
< 1318901581 308396 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (a + b) c = a c + b c in (sin + cos) 1
< 1318901582 242763 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: t = t1 -> t
< 1318901583 326244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: But seriously, just define the (a -> b) instance if you really must.
< 1318901593 660212 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1318901594 817071 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b) instance?
< 1318901601 280535 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (a + b) c = a c Prelude.+ b c in (sin + cos) 1
< 1318901602 123549 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1.3817732906760363
< 1318901608 49532 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, making a -> b an instance of something or is a -> b a class?
< 1318901610 421628 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly
< 1318901626 630473 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> b is definitely not a class.
< 1318901634 61566 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's a type
< 1318901634 448208 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: yes, making a Num (a -> b) instance, like the one lambdabot has
< 1318901659 734605 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though a a -> b class would be fun
< 1318901664 712143 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a ($) method
< 1318901686 818340 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :such that space application is translated to $ :P
< 1318901696 931177 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"space application" being f x
< 1318901724 879287 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that make Arrows to be easier to use?
< 1318901738 231961 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would mostly be bad I think.
< 1318901744 770936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Arrows don't even have an apply method.
< 1318901749 705306 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1318901756 452415 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you count ArrowApply :)
< 1318901801 344949 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: anyway did you see my lambdabot examples above
< 1318901817 86111 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ... don't quite understand it
< 1318901819 81515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: which doesn't fit the type of dollar
< 1318901821 306056 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The examples
< 1318901828 235646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web:
< 1318901833 123722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (length + length) "abc"
< 1318901834 295016 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  6
< 1318901846 890979 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1318901849 325908 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmmmm
< 1318901860 435655 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i was trying to give examples that fit precisely his FakeNum type
< 1318901881 785741 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ($ "3")
< 1318901882 665628 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b. ([Char] -> b) -> b
< 1318901895 1690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hardly matters if the instance doesn't exploit it.
< 1318901898 718162 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ... let me see if I can use my useage
< 1318901899 768149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that it could.)
< 1318901904 563513 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ($ "3") + ($ "4") $ read :: Int
< 1318901905 463111 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  7
< 1318901907 414664 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where are the Data.Map functions?
< 1318901932 541107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : > (length + length) "abc"
< 1318901932 687705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :   6
< 1318901936 979515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: In Data.Map.
< 1318902006 166377 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :length * 2 :3
< 1318902027 302114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (length * 2) abc
< 1318902027 878114 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `abc'
< 1318902028 468331 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Data.Map.lookup "x" + Data.Map.lookup "y" $ Data.Map.fromList [("x",2), ("y",3)]
< 1318902029 149156 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `Data.Map.lookup'Not in scope: `Data.Map.lookup'Not in scope:...
< 1318902029 482851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (length * 2) "abc"
< 1318902030 331985 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  6
< 1318902035 199746 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 * length ^ 2 + 1 $ "hm..."
< 1318902036 157420 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  51
< 1318902037 64852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: M.
< 1318902044 266607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> M.lookup "x" + M.lookup "y" $ M.fromList [("x",2), ("y",3)]
< 1318902045 131939 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Num.Num (Data.Maybe.Maybe a))
< 1318902045 506820 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use of...
< 1318902072 499960 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (fromJust . Data.Map.lookup) "x" + (fromJust . Data.Map.lookup) "y" $ Data.Map.fromList [("x",2), ("y",3)]
< 1318902073 420880 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `Data.Map.lookup'Not in scope: `Data.Map.lookup'Not in scope:...
< 1318902095 49311 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (fromJust . M.lookup) "x" + (fromJust . M.lookup) "y" $ M.fromList [("x",2), ("y",3)]
< 1318902095 907626 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `Data.Maybe.Maybe a'
< 1318902096 308983 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred ...
< 1318902100 32402 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Don't fromJust. :-(
< 1318902116 691231 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how you could define a method that implements integral multiplication as recursive addition, that can take multiple different integral types.
< 1318902128 7917 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus allowing length * 2
< 1318902143 809377 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...well, length isn't exactly integral. :P
< 1318902145 455542 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1318902149 790572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: There's an operator for that, and you don't understand (.).
< 1318902205 871097 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: f (g x y) !== (f . g) x y
< 1318902216 480365 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl (f .) . g
< 1318902216 708716 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ d i -> f (g d i))
< 1318902239 122322 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fromJust . M.lookup "x" + fromJust . M.lookup "y" $ M.fromList [("x",2), ("y",3)]
< 1318902240 710501 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  5
< 1318902243 771496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR GOD'S SAKE
< 1318902247 183407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :M.!
< 1318902255 763793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (M.! "x") + (M.! "y") $ M.fromList [("x",2), ("y",3)]
< 1318902256 598256 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  5
< 1318902268 284389 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, angry young man
< 1318902281 187343 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318902320 756102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ;_;
< 1318902329 802702 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: lambdabot also has .: which does the same thing (f . ) . g  but I'm not really sure that it's standard..
< 1318902340 598187 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (.:)
< 1318902340 744843 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found
< 1318902342 979081 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah...
< 1318902424 486578 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.::
< 1318902429 913181 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318902447 662135 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (M.!) "x" + (M.!) "y" $ M.fromList [("x",2), ("y",3)]
< 1318902447 967020 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not falling for it.... not falling for it.... not -- AAAAAAAH
< 1318902448 569554 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `Data.Map.Map k a'
< 1318902448 833313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred ty...
< 1318902450 283443 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (.::)
< 1318902451 99985 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `.::'
< 1318902455 489572 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ;_;
< 1318902458 228613 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm reminded of those principia mathematica dots
< 1318902490 217922 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i suppose had a similar purpose of avoiding parentheses :P
< 1318902491 842364 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION copies elliott's thing

< 1318902492 520266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: those are great
< 1318902495 449458 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (f .) . g
< 1318902495 609331 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(f .) . g
< 1318902496 960185 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (M.! "x") + (M.! "y") + 10 $ M.fromList [("x",2), ("y",3)]
< 1318902497 920981 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  15
< 1318902498 214446 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1318902500 865746 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let (.::)=fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap
< 1318902501 258422 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1318902501 766138 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1318902502 789927 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \f g -> (f .) . g
< 1318902503 184339 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.) . (.)
< 1318902507 440692 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :best operator
< 1318902526 285888 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "third nipple" operator
< 1318902572 766423 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, arguably the best operator is in fact the angry totem pole and its arbitrary layering
< 1318902582 872779 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1318902590 216877 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((:[])>=>(:[])) 2
< 1318902591 121618 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [2]
< 1318902610 107065 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((:[])>=>(:[])>=>(:[])>=>(:[])>=>(:[])) 2
< 1318902610 926373 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [2]
< 1318902621 46926 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may include as many angry totem levels as you please.
< 1318902634 356785 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the angry totem pole just keeps returning
< 1318902652 552288 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh ho ho ho ho. my hat off to you sir.
< 1318902666 464583 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the Num (a -> b) instance use any extensions?
< 1318902675 64289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1318902688 804291 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: That would be Num b => Num (a -> b), and no. But good luck writing a Show for it...
< 1318902705 97157 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ($ 2) :: Int -> Int
< 1318902705 909316 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Int'
< 1318902706 188855 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type ...
< 1318902707 961601 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1318902713 56762 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (+ 2) :: Int -> Int
< 1318902713 895459 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show
< 1318902714 187122 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :                             (GHC.T...
< 1318902730 524910 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wouldn't attempt to write a Show for it, other than show = const ""

< 1318902732 64856 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: your instances are a mess
< 1318902740 186540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> id
< 1318902740 978025 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show (a -> a)
< 1318902741 484614 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use of `...
< 1318902747 695340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, where did bd_ appear from.
< 1318902750 749889 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: more importantly, it's injecting a really ugly instance into the global namespace
< 1318902751 151173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there it is.
< 1318902756 999794 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Over there --------->
< 1318902797 217871 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: so later on if you write (f x y z) + 42 when f takes four arguments you get a real headscratcher of an error message...
< 1318902827 89242 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally the Num instance for (a -> b) just lifts everything into the reader monad
< 1318902827 590902 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> f x y z + 42 :: Expr
< 1318902828 512770 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  f x y z + 42
< 1318902858 248572 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f _ _ _ _ = undefined in f 1 2 3 + 42
< 1318902859 228652 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show (t -> a)
< 1318902859 375355 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use of `...
< 1318902877 214703 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f _ _ _ _ = undefined in f 1 2 3 + 42 == 43
< 1318902878 94777 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  *Exception: (==): No overloading for function
< 1318902894 934638 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, your argument mismatch type error became a runtime error now :)
< 1318902896 715516 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((f + 1) 2 + 3) 4 + 5 :: Expr
< 1318902897 713878 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  f 2 4 + 1 + 3 + 5
< 1318902910 390598 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I still think the proper way is to use monads, because this way, I can't do == with these things
< 1318902918 931891 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 "best" "misfeature"
< 1318902919 848822 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2
< 1318902923 444890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: you still haven't defined how on earth this is related to monads in any way at all
< 1318902925 809541 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, unless you can write halts :: a -> Bool for me?
< 1318902936 999282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1318902945 253209 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, is that a sufficient condition for making (a -> b) an Eq instance?
< 1318902946 78878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I'm just going to leave you to this
< 1318902949 211108 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let halts = ((const True) $!)
< 1318902950 46231 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just necessary?
< 1318902953 801878 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1318902964 284715 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 . "best" . "misfeature"
< 1318902965 38874 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `a1 -> a'
< 1318902965 370357 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type `[GHC....
< 1318902993 636788 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 "best" . "misfeature"
< 1318902995 395329 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2]
< 1318903006 128504 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ($!)
< 1318903006 809576 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (a -> b) -> a -> b
< 1318903009 859738 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: it's necessary but not sufficient. but anyway, you really don't want to use a Num (a->b) instance. Just define a proper GADT already :|
< 1318903020 22220 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could even define Eq and Show if you did it with a GADT!
< 1318903035 727661 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O
< 1318903051 701182 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :structural equality, mind you
< 1318903148 103246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bd_: how would a gadt help
< 1318903164 105545 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/1294383 something along these lines
< 1318903186 528328 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I suppose if you get rid of the general liftSNs and use a limited set of operations (as would be needed for Eq), you could get away with regular datatypes
< 1318903210 456838 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just newtype FakeNum s a = FakeNum ((s -> a) -> a)
< 1318903225 775907 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and instance Num a => Num (FakeNum s a)
< 1318903244 778873 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't want to pollute instances of real functions
< 1318903246 256676 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you could certainly do that, although then you can't define Eq and Show, and you're forced to choose the result type early on (or have rank-2 types scattered throughout the user's code)
< 1318903281 183195 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess i don't know what Sgeo|web wants to use it for, so maybe
< 1318903282 117879 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, point is there's no reason to pollute instances of functions
< 1318903294 545312 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I actually have a chance of getting the FakeNum s a thing to work, so
< 1318903298 398472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no reason to do what Sgeo|web is doing in the first place.
< 1318903302 994789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever that is.
< 1318903304 562844 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Something (a -> b) is fun to play with but not so fun to debug with
< 1318903311 312831 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for fun
< 1318903324 785313 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: in that case I fully endorse the GADT method ;)
< 1318903334 557038 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep
< 1318903336 581194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for values of fun equal to wasting your time painfully
< 1318903368 573026 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm sort of using this as a "bad" suggestion for how to have a thing that you can specify "x"s etc. then later fill them it
< 1318903393 642651 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My good suggestion is still monads, since that can be made to work smoothly and sanely with ==
< 1318903426 856528 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION still doesn't understand how monads, which have embedded functions all over the place, can possibly be made to work smoothly and sanely with ==

< 1318903527 375519 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imNotCreativeEnoughToNameThisFunction do { a <- term "x"; b <- term "y"; return a + b == 5 } [("x",2),("y",3)]
< 1318903550 306563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: learn to precedence :P
< 1318903558 874204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :return (a + b == 5)
< 1318903581 430361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bd_: monads don't inherently have embedded functions
< 1318903583 413471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] is a monad, after all
< 1318903632 141683 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: that's called the reader monad, where term k = asks ($ k)
< 1318903636 563083 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: good point
< 1318903647 175487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bd_: if lists were functions
< 1318903654 719278 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I fail to see how he'll construct his delayed-symbolic-evaluation monad without using embedded functions :)
< 1318903657 261709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :term k = asks (M.! k) :P
< 1318903681 811871 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my way is more general :)
< 1318903696 514995 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bd_: oh, hmm, huh
< 1318903701 78217 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the environment = M.! someMap
< 1318903727 97369 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Reader monad is more sane than RVar for my purposes then >.>
< 1318903733 949122 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now bd_ knows what I really want to do >.>
< 1318903738 425349 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I don't.
< 1318903747 426031 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mcmc thing
< 1318903756 724385 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still need to watch that video though
< 1318903757 890315 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... not seeing how Reader would be very helpful for that!
< 1318903790 313441 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Function to adjust the values of the "random" variables, I guess
< 1318903794 477752 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again, I need to learn MCMC
< 1318903809 974361 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having an impression that I'm doing X-Y, but oh well
< 1318903812 812200 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll learn
< 1318903823 664230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RVar?
< 1318903841 175855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What on earth are you actually doing
< 1318903847 949693 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :near as I can tell he's trying to do some sort of markov chain traverser
< 1318903859 737431 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and was thinking about using Data.RVar for it
< 1318903893 763336 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the docs for RVar have a nice random walk example that could probably be adapted to a markov chain easily enough...
< 1318903905 835250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. "good luck with that"
< 1318903922 251242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never even heard of rvar. looks way too complicated for this
< 1318903950 196845 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1318903952 91736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+
< 1318903952 238459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 	111	
< 1318903952 238650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+  if impl(ghc == 7.2.1)
< 1318903952 238759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 	112	
< 1318903952 238863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+    -- Doesn't work under GHC 7.2.1 due to
< 1318903952 934467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 	113	
< 1318903954 976225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+    -- http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/5410
< 1318903957 44737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 	114	
< 1318903958 856186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+    Buildable:          False
< 1318903960 994196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it doesn't work
< 1318904048 963442 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice :)
< 1318904246 19149 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.exoticmeatmarket.com/aflime.html LION STEAKS, GETCHER LION STEAKS
< 1318906226 312665 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a question re: cygwin and languages that exec on the command line. Say I have a unix program (dd) that I want to be able to call from a program that I'm running on windows. I know that there are cygwin dlls that, if in the same folder as a unix program, let me call it from the command line. What do I have to do if it's from a program? Same thing?
< 1318906395 641548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the exe depends on the dll
< 1318906398 765561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all
< 1318906414 823158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could even be in c:\windows
< 1318906441 538382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yikes.
< 1318906462 162733 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :So say both dd and cygwin's dlls are in my computer's path and from e.g. a java program I run the command 'dd blahblahblah'. It'll work?
< 1318906480 689523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: fake, right?
< 1318906488 650992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PatashuXantheres: hopefully
< 1318906497 201891 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :'hopefully' lol
< 1318906499 535615 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu
< 1318906528 332214 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-131.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DLL needs to be in the lookup path for DLLs...
< 1318906531 933658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If PETA will give 1000 jobs to American farmers and ranchers, Exotic Meat Market will stop selling any and all kind of meats which PETA wants us to stop."
< 1318906545 39916 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-131.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember all the details of that, but I do remember that the directory of the EXE is in the lookup path.
< 1318906590 156643 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :for digital forensics at university I have to write a program that can hide data on the hard disk such that normal techniques won't find it. my idea is to take a fat file system like on a flash drive, write to the bad cluster bitmap to mark a new cluster as bad, and then in that cluster write the information to hide
< 1318906597 474158 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-131.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I *think* it's a configuration option, and that cygwin sticks the path to cygwin.dll in there?)
< 1318906640 843734 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-131.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume by "normal techniques" they mean "looking around a mounted filesystem".
< 1318906648 13030 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1318906659 64887 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-131.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that'd work quite well.
< 1318906662 485720 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1318906692 122117 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-131.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also do something more awesome and esoteric.
< 1318906703 168451 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-131.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Store long file names without corresponding short file names.
< 1318906709 317837 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm!
< 1318906751 956164 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-131.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows simply considers such entries in the file name list to be empty, so as to be compatible with SFN-only FAT implementations.
< 1318906888 172327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have to go to NT level to circmvrent that?
< 1318906941 630080 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-131.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you have to access the partition yourself.
< 1318906953 163931 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-131.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also part of Linux VFAT, I think.
< 1318906975 645487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1318908204 258514 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I try to first grok GADTs or Rank 2 whatevers or existentials?
< 1318908361 663383 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-131.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should first grok grokking.
< 1318908366 353508 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-131.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From this all else follows.
< 1318908530 753002 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318908603 860925 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1318909342 377781 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Normally when creating a new type using type, newtype, data, etc., every type variable that appears on the right-hand side must also appear on the left-hand side. Existential types are a way of turning this off."
< 1318909351 704070 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... is stunningly simple to understand, I think
< 1318909388 717458 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have a feeling I'm missing the reason why that's normally the case
< 1318909476 216723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is an awful explanation
< 1318909482 562304 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: In the simplest case, existential types are sort of like implicit casting to an interface in languages like Java
< 1318909498 974118 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with multiple parameters you get far more generality than you do with just an interface.
< 1318909505 502878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i...
< 1318909506 872863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1318909513 982934 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is that not a good analogy?
< 1318909525 369644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: ask #haskell.
< 1318909526 796155 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\x -> x%2==0)
< 1318909526 986179 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(0 ==) . (% 2)
< 1318909531 108470 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t isEven
< 1318909532 12905 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `isEven'
< 1318909532 803936 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do those things not compare? do they not have similar roles? I think they do.
< 1318909533 900621 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t even
< 1318909534 835854 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Integral a) => a -> Bool
< 1318909542 370631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (%)
< 1318909543 173873 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show
< 1318909543 551460 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :                             (a -> ...
< 1318909547 320344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1318909552 420370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (%)
< 1318909553 324125 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Integral a) => a -> a -> Ratio a
< 1318909565 960617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: not what you want
< 1318909577 603081 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t mod
< 1318909578 459534 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Integral a) => a -> a -> a
< 1318909587 732943 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (`mod` 5) [1..]
< 1318909588 613255 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [1,2,3,4,0,1,2,3,4,0,1,2,3,4,0,1,2,3,4,0,1,2,3,4,0,1,2,3,4,0,1,2,3,4,0,1,2,...
< 1318909597 206547 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map even [1..]
< 1318909597 967319 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [False,True,False,True,False,True,False,True,False,True,False,True,False,Tr...
< 1318909608 894138 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter even [1..]
< 1318909610 43686 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20,22,24,26,28,30,32,34,36,38,40,42,44,46,48,50,52,...
< 1318909617 210854 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> evens
< 1318909618 102963 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `evens'
< 1318909621 698381 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1318909632 852862 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though they may be in a library or something. no need.
< 1318909634 347586 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (map (*2) . filter even) [1,2,3,4,5,8]
< 1318909635 286632 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Integral a) => [a]
< 1318909635 597297 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thought
< 1318909638 620885 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (map (*2) . filter even) [1,2,3,4,5,8]
< 1318909640 155447 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [4,8,16]
< 1318909754 433834 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: typeclasses, in the simplest case, are comparable to interfaces are they not? How is an existential type not like declaring a structure with attributes that have an interface type? variable with an interface type?
< 1318909758 428464 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...er
< 1318909769 147898 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. accidentally hit enter before I ctrl+K'd
< 1318909789 196341 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably should have ctrl+U'd though.
< 1318909790 44572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i'm really not up to correcting your iffy analogy right now. i'm pretty busy. sorry
< 1318909818 451469 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no need to correct. I'm not in any way saying it's a perfect fit. If anything typeclasses and existentials are a superset of it.
< 1318909821 828503 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because... they are.
< 1318909850 629052 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the things you can do with interfaces, you can do with typeclasses and existentials.
< 1318909859 233179 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no?
< 1318910197 878504 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1318910494 967026 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\あ -> あ) 1
< 1318910495 798912 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1
< 1318910521 842499 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\何か -> 何か) 1
< 1318910522 652601 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1
< 1318910661 982733 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-131.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :どうして日本語で書くの？
< 1318910662 129710 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 2 3 4 5
< 1318910663 56424 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1
< 1318910725 713884 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a really bad hack to put in lambdabots evaluator simply so that you can write things like f x y z :: Expr
< 1318910732 524117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1318910737 493288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its pure haskell
< 1318910738 664141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1318910742 490060 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1318910751 710552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't rely on that instance
< 1318910764 148922 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say it did.
< 1318910767 796174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those two things are comoketely separate
< 1318910770 98857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you did
< 1318910771 211408 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm pretty sure that is the purpose of its existence.
< 1318910774 520167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1318910821 712435 :ive!~nn@189.179.247.113 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318910827 452148 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "1 2 3 4 5" is not a valid expression according to GHC.
< 1318910834 795283 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it is syntactically.
< 1318910835 371659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is
< 1318910861 13192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: it will type with one line of code
< 1318910876 385887 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 2 3 4 5
< 1318910877 242579 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1
< 1318910894 386846 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: an instance declaration, yes? Will it /run/ in one line of code?
< 1318910921 343606 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 2 + 3 4
< 1318910922 224979 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  4
< 1318910931 819208 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 1 2 3 4 5
< 1318910931 965741 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1 2) 3
< 1318910932 794423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t t1. (Num (t1 -> t), Num t1) => t
< 1318910933 24874 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1
< 1318910945 969430 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 1 2
< 1318910946 761187 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t t1. (Num (t1 -> t), Num t1) => t
< 1318910957 667326 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1318910960 734492 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fromIntergral?
< 1318910960 970089 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-131.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It won't type; there's no instance of Num (a -> b -> c -> d) by default.
< 1318910969 733435 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: 1 is a function, duh.
< 1318910972 252968 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1318911014 365659 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but you're basically saying that valid Haskell != bad hack
< 1318911041 808598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"put in lambdabots evaluator"
< 1318911045 305183 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case, I'll get back to you when I finish my IsString instance that executes arbitrary perl.
< 1318911060 894835 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-131.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I'm pretty sure what you're seeing is just a normal, perfectly sane instance of Num.
< 1318911075 6076 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-131.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nums via Church numerals, if I had to guess.
< 1318911080 204718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1318911080 557510 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.5 34
< 1318911081 454052 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  0.5
< 1318911095 560417 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-131.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Then what is it?
< 1318911109 249166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (sum / length) [0..9]
< 1318911110 94585 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Real.Fractional GHC.Types.Int)
< 1318911110 376639 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use o...
< 1318911116 876825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (sum / length) [0.0..9]
< 1318911117 677640 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Real.Fractional GHC.Types.Int)
< 1318911118 70629 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use o...
< 1318911121 184446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffs
< 1318911127 612997 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-131.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "1 2" does not type with just Prelude.
< 1318911148 393390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not  normal
< 1318911149 644029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sane
< 1318911151 973596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or church
< 1318911167 39260 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-131.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then what *is* it?
< 1318911187 671134 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t f x y z
< 1318911188 495211 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. (SimpleReflect.FromExpr (Expr -> t)) => t
< 1318911191 609209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (length + length) [0,9]
< 1318911192 524981 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  4
< 1318911196 943432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: THAT IS UNRELATED
< 1318911201 921519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :_COMPLETELY_
< 1318911206 619974 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OKAY I WAS SORT OF TESTING TO SEE IF IT WAS RELAX
< 1318911221 698431 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-131.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YOU EXPLAIN NOTHING
< 1318911228 414419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_:
< 1318911230 391534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (length + length) [0,9]
< 1318911231 188672 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  4
< 1318911234 466125 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: yeah I don't know why you're trying to elliott to explain anything.
< 1318911238 207541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (length / length) [0,9]
< 1318911238 354314 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :+get
< 1318911239 49383 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Real.Fractional GHC.Types.Int)
< 1318911239 324325 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use o...
< 1318911248 876027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (length `div` length) [0,9]
< 1318911249 800365 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Real.Integral ([a] -> GHC.Types.Int))
< 1318911250 88025 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from ...
< 1318911252 826642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on
< 1318911261 33765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (length - length) [0,9]
< 1318911261 883153 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  0
< 1318911265 44417 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (length / length) [0.0, 0.9]
< 1318911265 976464 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Real.Fractional GHC.Types.Int)
< 1318911266 251908 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use o...
< 1318911267 858642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (length + 99) [0,9]
< 1318911268 764673 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  101
< 1318911275 777667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: explained.
< 1318911286 377960 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-131.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want the name of the instance and its source.
< 1318911302 791717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instances dont have names
< 1318911313 443216 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-131.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what I mean.
< 1318911322 507369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1318911350 539093 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-131.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes, you're a crazy person who thinks (length + length) [0,9] explains (length + length) [0,9]
< 1318911362 963658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gave three examples
< 1318911370 40581 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t length + length
< 1318911370 412015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/e, keep being stubborn
< 1318911370 826521 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [a] -> Int
< 1318911380 229115 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (length +)
< 1318911381 49365 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. ([a] -> Int) -> [a] -> Int
< 1318911400 152179 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num instance on functions, as far as I can tell.
< 1318911433 645415 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-131.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instance of Num for (Num n) => (n -> n), apparently.
< 1318911447 137746 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then "term term" automatically types as a -> b?
< 1318911453 785830 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er a -> a  in that case I guess.
< 1318911464 746838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: uhh
< 1318911473 939437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah if my examples typed with that
< 1318911479 323207 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-131.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \x->1 x
< 1318911480 131061 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t t1. (Num (t -> t1)) => t -> t1
< 1318911487 466380 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-131.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Derp.
< 1318911504 937273 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely clear how that magically makes integer literals into functions.
< 1318911518 634710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 9
< 1318911519 525430 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. (Num t) => t
< 1318911530 839107 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This time I fixed the gopher SWPC for really.
< 1318911533 296690 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: uh huh?
< 1318911533 443310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you actually know haskell
< 1318911544 961345 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I do.
< 1318911574 924007 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you actually know how to explain things instead of just being a jackass?
< 1318911575 821869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :practically every feature of the language i have had to explain to your confusion
< 1318911580 352632 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Answer: no)
< 1318911582 90760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 9
< 1318911582 943478 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. (Num t) => t
< 1318911586 651331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ Num instance
< 1318911589 189593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric := ?????
< 1318911614 346040 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :at what point does 1 2 3 4 5 solicit the services of (+), (-), or (*)?
< 1318911627 142551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 9
< 1318911628 70649 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. (Num t) => t
< 1318911634 910392 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the type of 9, sir.
< 1318911635 535242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ Num instance for functions
< 1318911638 656946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric := ?????????????
< 1318911678 343854 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 9 . 8
< 1318911679 291472 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (f b))
< 1318911679 591350 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use of `M2427776621...
< 1318911685 45051 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (9 . 8) 7
< 1318911686 608010 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  9
< 1318911730 145899 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t const 8
< 1318911731 5687 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t b. (Num t) => b -> t
< 1318911744 726584 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (9 >>= 8)
< 1318911745 613571 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a b. (Num (m a), Num (m b), Monad m) => m b
< 1318911777 436843 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (9 >>= 8) 7
< 1318911778 318145 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  8
< 1318911790 6345 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :exciting instance.
< 1318911843 997037 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (5 + 5) [1..]
< 1318911844 892597 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10...
< 1318911879 218460 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 'a' 2 3
< 1318911879 992667 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `t1 -> t2 -> t'
< 1318911880 252767 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type ...
< 1318911896 915609 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs moar OverloadedChars
< 1318911907 828828 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :function instance of IsChar
< 1318911915 142196 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num instance of IsChar
< 1318911918 700248 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :weak typing yesssssss
< 1318911932 372432 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er well Int instance of IsChar.
< 1318912009 54072 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix 1
< 1318912009 932603 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1
< 1318912012 118902 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed.
< 1318912102 620977 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: note that knowing Haskell does not instantly able to grasp your, honestly, shit explanations of things. For an example that isn't influenced by your inherent bias against me, see pikhq
< 1318912108 371109 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/able/allow/
< 1318912121 483104 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/allow/allow me (?#ack...)/
< 1318912335 698711 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-131.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: If there is an instance of Num for (a -> b), then it immediately follows that for anything of type (Num t) => t (say, 1), it can be of type (a -> b).
< 1318912382 778252 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I was confused because I didn't realize that "f a" always enforces f to be type a -> b
< 1318912394 527337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to applying integers
< 1318912408 577523 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I knew intuitively that it does enforce that, but not that GHC does that.
< 1318912420 28702 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-131.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It simply must.
< 1318912421 335500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's simple unification, there is no special rule
< 1318912436 217101 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: cool, dude.
< 1318912453 877016 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-131.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd literally have to break type inference for that to not happen. And a lot of other things besides. :)
< 1318912472 379326 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, the more familiar example of a -> b as a Monad does the same thing.
< 1318912486 709866 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :integer overloading magic just confused me.
< 1318912500 227114 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*number
< 1318912603 138111 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was confused I thought the entire world was derived of special cases.
< 1318912625 809225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I too am under the impression that this is how  you model things
< 1318912636 3669 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed.
< 1318912665 81664 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to model things with intuition. Sometimes this is inexact. Shit happens.
< 1318912729 835333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, you don't know Haskell, just a bunch of special cases? ok
< 1318912754 134011 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for starters, I do not fully know the process GHC uses to derive types.
< 1318912770 596417 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I know Haskell. Sure, by some definition of know.
< 1318912808 3111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes this is totally a ghc specific thing
< 1318912813 453758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hindley and milner, famous ghc hackers
< 1318912817 998567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages = implementations
< 1318912823 650569 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: totally.
< 1318912849 695209 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps if you didn't know everything things like not knowing things would make more sense to you.
< 1318912922 699198 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (*2)
< 1318912923 572568 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show (a -> [a])
< 1318912923 863644 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use of...
< 1318912925 908564 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t iterate
< 1318912926 812874 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (a -> a) -> a -> [a]
< 1318912935 342035 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (*2) 1
< 1318912936 85652 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512,1024,2048,4096,8192,16384,32768,65536,131072,...
< 1318912943 191695 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (\x -> x * x) 1
< 1318912944 39064 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,...
< 1318912945 34923 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (\x -> x * x) 2
< 1318912945 918813 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [2,4,16,256,65536,4294967296,18446744073709551616,3402823669209384634633746...
< 1318912953 610189 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (\x -> x * x * x) 2
< 1318912954 461324 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [2,8,512,134217728,2417851639229258349412352,141347765182270746366663800059...
< 1318912963 269317 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (\x -> x * x * x * x * x * x) 2
< 1318912964 200738 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [2,64,68719476736,105312291668557186697918027683670432318895095400549111254...
< 1318912970 423693 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okey, yeah, it's not going to overflow, is it?
< 1318912975 6066 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate 2 undefined
< 1318912975 892555 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [*Exception: Prelude.undefined
< 1318912978 766540 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1318912983 391368 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 undefined
< 1318912984 296956 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2
< 1318913006 543329 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scratches head.

< 1318913019 721025 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src iterate
< 1318913019 985051 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :iterate f x =  x : iterate f (f x)
< 1318913029 479793 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scratches his head even more.

< 1318913033 456336 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1318913034 126286 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1318913049 393335 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate 2 0
< 1318913050 309479 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [0,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,...
< 1318913059 667149 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join iterate 2
< 1318913060 528942 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a = a -> a
< 1318913063 830421 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1318913078 905221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> tail (iterate 9 undefined)
< 1318913079 772742 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,...
< 1318913084 96340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate 2 2
< 1318913084 904102 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,...
< 1318913131 57209 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay.
< 1318913147 99024 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, not referring to iterate 2 2
< 1318913150 368381 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, uh, figured that out
< 1318913167 111128 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to write it with join. but the 2 on the left is not the same type as the two on the right.
< 1318913180 284354 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate unsafeCoerce undefined
< 1318913181 74345 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `unsafeCoerce'
< 1318913184 979945 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :integer overloading, apparently the bane of my existence.
< 1318913205 387316 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So...
< 1318913219 664002 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :forceEval :: a -> a
< 1318913224 633048 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :forceEval = unsafeCoerce
< 1318913232 119352 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :forceEval = id
< 1318913234 29304 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely
< 1318913245 880862 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it could be unsafeCoerce :: a -> a
< 1318913248 280656 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just... id.
< 1318913299 531177 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t join asTypeOf
< 1318913300 535360 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. a -> a
< 1318913303 151743 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :could also be that.
< 1318913303 298399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : forceEval :: a -> a
< 1318913309 357438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: a "forceEval" function makes no sense.
< 1318913317 208981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :semantically, implementation-wise, every-wise.
< 1318913322 206144 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well....
< 1318913324 281827 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, it makes sense... as id. id is forceEval. :P
< 1318913331 62538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: No.
< 1318913336 589648 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe "strict" would be a better word?
< 1318913337 81195 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :;.
< 1318913338 237206 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse . reverse for lists
< 1318913338 727557 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :;.;
< 1318913346 981864 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: not id does not magically strictly evaluate.
< 1318913349 651096 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no
< 1318913352 281194 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t seq
< 1318913353 170279 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a t. a -> t -> t
< 1318913368 869452 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeCoerce undefined seems to error, at least.
< 1318913378 217156 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: when evaluated, yes.
< 1318913388 725709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: No, there is literally no way that makes any sense at all; if you think it does, you don't understand Haskell's evaluation model very well.
< 1318913392 654404 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: try putting it as the second argument to const
< 1318913397 138033 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ;.;
< 1318913409 782155 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> undefined `seq` 2
< 1318913410 618156 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  *Exception: Prelude.undefined
< 1318913413 985719 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION drops an anvil on elliott 

< 1318913414 892590 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Die
< 1318913418 551480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1318913425 23780 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: const 2 undefined == 2
< 1318913434 516298 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: const 2 (unsafeCoerce undefined) == 2
< 1318913439 393967 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t const
< 1318913440 280338 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. a -> b -> a
< 1318913443 506341 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> const 2 3
< 1318913444 309380 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2
< 1318913449 552881 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> const 2 "holy crap anything"
< 1318913450 454642 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2
< 1318913467 597975 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up, #esoteric
< 1318913474 422891 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> const 2 (repeat "dude this list repeats /forever/")
< 1318913475 249432 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2
< 1318913518 915336 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = repeat "dude this list repeats /forever/" in x `seq` const 2 x
< 1318913519 777475 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2
< 1318913551 10893 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> seq (fix ($)) 2
< 1318913551 851758 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2
< 1318913561 401372 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix ($)
< 1318913562 289632 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. a -> b
< 1318913566 27827 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :No way that'll return, right?
< 1318913571 831296 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1318913574 155543 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> seq (fix ($) 1) 2
< 1318913578 727111 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: note that when seq strictly evaluates something that doesn't mean that it evaluates the structure completely.
< 1318913589 445811 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  thread killed
< 1318913591 947112 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense =p
< 1318913606 558999 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so repeat 2 `seq` 2   only evaluates the first node of repeat 2
< 1318913645 105810 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deepseq?
< 1318913669 545909 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a function called deepSeq that evaluates everything to its so-called normal form (aka "fully evaluated")
< 1318913716 838483 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> deepSeq (fix (1:) []) "wee"
< 1318913717 899852 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `deepSeq'
< 1318913722 272876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called deepseq and it's in a type-class.
< 1318913729 90354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not make sense for much data, and it is almost always a bad idea.
< 1318913735 116694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/much/many/
< 1318913862 591841 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: there's also a function ($!) f x = x `seq` f x
< 1318913867 770192 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka strict application.
< 1318914061 108240 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: but generally using seq and $! isn't really important unless you're trying to optimize code speed or memory use.
< 1318914093 843088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seq needs to go back into a typeclass.
< 1318914109 923253 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: por que?
< 1318914114 708765 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "go back" -- it was in one before?
< 1318914120 126411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1318914131 928947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 1.4. Haskell 98 was a step back in several ways.
< 1318914140 715406 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would the benefit of that be?
< 1318914145 950708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :class  Eval a  where
< 1318914146 209395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    seq              :: a -> b -> b
< 1318914146 356089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    strict           :: (a -> b) -> a -> b
< 1318914146 356236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    strict f x       =  x `seq` f x
< 1318914164 486281 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how does one write a seq instance
< 1318914169 225435 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :without a seq?
< 1318914172 390463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Allows eta-expansion (because it doesn't say whether functions are lifted or unlifted); avoids massively complicating the semantic model (seq has no denotational semantics).
< 1318914194 283089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And makes parametricity hold more properly.
< 1318914219 205602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other excellent things 1.4 had: (++) in MonadPlus, monad comprehensions, "map" in Functor, empty Void type...
< 1318914226 708497 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :waaaaaaah
< 1318914234 806455 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so good.
< 1318914242 335693 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened Haskell 98?
< 1318914272 129401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and no "fail" in Monad.
< 1318914274 739369 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps they were concerned with the typeclass overhead for the common case of lists?
< 1318914279 774907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no overhead.
< 1318914283 51569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened was concerns about newbies / quality of error messages; and proliferation of constraints in definitions.
< 1318914290 888337 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, lame.
< 1318914298 229097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. using Seq added Eval constraints, and MonadFail constraints or whatever for partial pattern matches, and so on.
< 1318914311 430790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :filter           :: MonadZero m => (a -> Bool) -> m a -> m a
< 1318914311 594920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :filter p         =  applyM (\x -> if p x then return x else zero)
< 1318914316 129002 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like they avoided a profusion of instance-related error messages.
< 1318914320 989996 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get plenty of those.
< 1318914347 425436 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :did someone ping me?
< 1318914352 405691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: probably
< 1318914381 359844 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay as long as it's not important enough that you said "yes"
< 1318914400 925269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftM3           :: (Monad m) => (a -> b -> c -> d) ->
< 1318914401 252142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                 (m a -> m b -> m c -> m d)
< 1318914401 398863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftM3 f         =  \a b c -> [f a' b' c' | a' <- a, b' <- b, c' <- c]
< 1318914403 858025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad comprehensions.
< 1318914416 270753 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o
< 1318914422 76331 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monad comprehensions
< 1318914433 608598 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly
< 1318914438 539192 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :never use list comprehensions. maybe I should.
< 1318914468 17244 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they say bitcoin is dead
< 1318914486 892926 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: they said rock 'n' roll would die.
< 1318914577 459121 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh programming C++ is like... flagellantism
< 1318914601 472379 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"First you have to tell the compiler how to serialize any datatype, in general. Since Haskell datatypes have a regular structure, this means you can just explain how to serialize a few basic datatypes."
< 1318914604 268106 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woah
< 1318914608 584942 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I like where this is going
< 1318914613 600000 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming C++ is like... programming fortran... without the hardcore hacker feel
< 1318914652 89079 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that be more of C <->fortran relationship?
< 1318914656 363655 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wouldn't
< 1318914735 276018 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh apparently fortran got OO, nevermind.
< 1318914746 405288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like anyone uses it
< 1318914763 64223 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1318914765 565678 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should learn fortran.
< 1318914774 519656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: lust after fortran next
< 1318914788 925730 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my Conquest of Programming Language Knowledge(tm)
< 1318914847 98760 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main restraint on said conquest being that I cannot think of projects as quickly as I can think of programming languages to learn.
< 1318914955 660994 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t f
< 1318914956 526429 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (SimpleReflect.FromExpr a) => a
< 1318914957 693710 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t f 1
< 1318914958 633410 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t t1. (Num t, SimpleReflect.FromExpr (t -> t1)) => t1
< 1318914986 267400 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not related to the integer overloading, but a similar idea.
< 1318915109 18442 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t a b
< 1318915109 965750 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match expected type `Expr -> t'
< 1318915110 252893 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :           against inferred type `Expr'
< 1318915110 399477 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the expression: a b
< 1318915115 739774 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t b
< 1318915116 645113 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expr
< 1318915118 580121 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1318915236 691969 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm why doesn't SimpleReflect document FromExpr..
< 1318915250 584333 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, aside from defining it in source code
< 1318915252 432614 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't count.
< 1318915293 836313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: http://twanvl.nl/blog/haskell/simple-reflection-of-expressions
< 1318915306 242813 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fun
< 1318915307 112804 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (SimpleReflect.FromExpr a) => String -> a
< 1318915350 681266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: just read that
< 1318915352 322379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the original post
< 1318915352 469085 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fun "your mom is" a (var "hobag")
< 1318915353 395660 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Ambiguous type variable `a' in the constraints:
< 1318915353 674333 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   `SimpleReflect.FromExpr ...
< 1318915360 373360 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fun "your mom is" (a::Expr) (var "hobag")
< 1318915361 201883 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Ambiguous type variable `a' in the constraints:
< 1318915361 590177 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   `SimpleReflect.FromExpr ...
< 1318915362 933575 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdfijsdfijwer
< 1318915370 934505 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fun "your mom is" a (var "hobag")  :: Expr
< 1318915371 882208 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  your mom is a hobag
< 1318915382 152929 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bahahahahaha
< 1318915415 121959 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fun
< 1318915416 43517 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (SimpleReflect.FromExpr a) => String -> a
< 1318915417 93011 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1318915450 349641 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hobag barbie eh
< 1318915456 534617 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t h
< 1318915457 461801 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (SimpleReflect.FromExpr a) => a
< 1318915460 437000 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun is how f g and h are defined.
< 1318915467 593554 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fromExpr . var
< 1318915543 340704 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks it would be neat if more Haskell programs included a Blah.Reflect that exports SimpleReflect stuff.

< 1318915585 374143 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an educational tool.
< 1318915640 660960 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks that /me is a cool way to talk in the third person because he likes to do that sometimes.

< 1318915689 873608 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION also finds it funny when people forget to convert to third person, so then some anonymous narrator is involved. I like this.

< 1318915696 70590 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking illeists
< 1318915736 612501 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is going to see if he can now communicate entirely in third person for the remainder of the night.

< 1318915765 17287 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION forgot to mention that he also wants to see if he can get away with this without annoying someone.

< 1318915777 123821 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, I messed up.
< 1318915788 63339 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't mention anything, the narrator did.
< 1318915792 620353 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, I mean
< 1318915797 975444 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did all of the mentioning.
< 1318915799 911773 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION did not.

< 1318915839 435430 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1318915867 58397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy hi hi hi
< 1318915869 582034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my program is broken monqy
< 1318915871 246411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :want to fix it??//
< 1318915880 953566 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION greets monqy fondly.

< 1318915901 351971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH
< 1318915903 245872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH I AM SUCH
< 1318915904 411321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A FUCKING IDIOT
< 1318915906 310246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OF COURSE IT DOESNT RUN
< 1318915907 140749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE
< 1318915910 11055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERES A "FOREVER" LOOP ABOVE IT
< 1318915943 56224 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders why he stopped working on his RP-oriented MUD client.

< 1318915956 726352 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers writing it in Fortran. Wow, that's a terrible idea CakeProphet.

< 1318916013 325439 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I think if I did such a thing I would likely provide a custom client, because MUD clients are awful.
< 1318916036 769535 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gave up on his quest for third-person narration.

< 1318916082 936838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I wrote a program: http://sprunge.us/BMBZ
< 1318916098 966400 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :program
< 1318916100 326701 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa woah
< 1318916101 175920 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :flood
< 1318916103 905133 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :flud
< 1318916125 767059 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it do things
< 1318916128 925457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: what flood
< 1318916129 308731 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of imports
< 1318916137 577776 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: earlier I discovered that flood is oddly spelled.
< 1318916144 237292 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :considered the way it's pronounced.
< 1318916146 237853 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :flod
< 1318916170 442948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: that's very few imports for haskell
< 1318916172 872054 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :help battery brb
< 1318916183 534310 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a lot of imports for me
< 1318916188 340249 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i live in a cave)
< 1318916232 745106 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello. test
< 1318916232 891745 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :test test test.
< 1318916232 891931 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing.
< 1318916235 96584 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a test.
< 1318916245 772528 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :awwww yeah connection wasn't interrupted.
< 1318916265 228300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import MC.Protocol
< 1318916265 475167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import MC.Protocol.IO
< 1318916265 622070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import qualified MC.Protocol.Client as C
< 1318916265 622260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import qualified MC.Protocol.Server as S
< 1318916265 622387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import MC.Utils
< 1318916265 768657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1318916267 590914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import Prelude hiding (catch)
< 1318916269 789355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import Data.HashMap.Strict (HashMap)
< 1318916271 676982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import qualified Data.HashMap.Strict as HM
< 1318916273 774461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import Data.ByteString (ByteString)
< 1318916275 904275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import qualified Data.ByteString as B
< 1318916277 829413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import Data.Text (Text)
< 1318916279 720655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import qualified Data.Text as T
< 1318916281 687001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import Control.Monad
< 1318916283 665696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import Control.Exception
< 1318916285 716292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import Control.Concurrent
< 1318916287 692565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import Control.Concurrent.STM
< 1318916289 828020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import Data.IORef
< 1318916291 646505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import System.IO
< 1318916293 787576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import Network
< 1318916295 748989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import Codec.Zlib
< 1318916297 732445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: :)
< 1318916297 882925 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imports
< 1318916311 726216 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1318916313 67930 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember that logn list of inmports from whaichever cpmpiler that was
< 1318916315 581702 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rlong one
< 1318916324 368012 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was long)
< 1318916350 706462 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many imports are bad for the economy.
< 1318916373 369799 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the imports are goods that generate revenue domestically.
< 1318916463 853330 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :economics are tricky when programming. It's like being in a circus.
< 1318916465 774123 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night.
< 1318916556 436694 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey wait
< 1318916566 107970 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :say I wanted to like...
< 1318916585 699839 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :run a command in emacs, to load a bunch of files that I commonly edit as a group.
< 1318916601 306918 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this already exist or do I need to go learn emacslisp?
< 1318916807 452298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you see any obvious refactorings...
< 1318916810 937086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to make it a little prettier
< 1318916917 283374 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing obvious.. id on't work much with fancy io
< 1318916999 857427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know of a program that's basically tail -f + readline?
< 1318917012 622873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it shows a log in realtime but provides an input line with editing that isn't overwritten by the log
< 1318917024 197621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably just cat logfile | theprogram | processinput
< 1318917117 323124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Oi, you should refactor my code. (I say this because you're the only competent person in the channel.)
< 1318917134 118234 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: which forever did you remove.
< 1318917144 97094 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What code?
< 1318917158 885404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://sprunge.us/caNc
< 1318917159 707028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That code.
< 1318917248 841911 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the only thing I see is that you appear to write the equivalent of void . forkIO . forever  twice. Though I doubt giving that a name really improves the code.
< 1318917259 572335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Not the equivalent.
< 1318917266 920514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`catch`/`finally`/ are inside the forever. Although, oh.
< 1318917268 895514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They shouldn't be.
< 1318917273 493714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no.
< 1318917274 477950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not.
< 1318917277 874694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, no.
< 1318917283 337797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: The second "forever" is different.
< 1318917284 910430 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/catch`/`finally`/: No such file or directory \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/catch`/`finally`/: cannot execute: No such file or directory
< 1318917297 409405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's void (forkIO (catch (finally ...)))
< 1318917331 291410 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1318917337 33017 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It doesn't look *that* horrible...
< 1318917344 885911 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the point of all those voids?
< 1318917355 190647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: forkIO returns a ThreadId.
< 1318917360 234849 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So?
< 1318917369 467621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm discarding it. The alternative is _ <-, but it's in tail position once there.
< 1318917375 299234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I like -Wall. :p
< 1318917387 983505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, it doesn't look horrible, I just want it to be nicer.
< 1318917392 280607 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore e would be a nice function in Control.Exception
< 1318917402 136680 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Presumably you're going to turn it into something more complicated later on?
< 1318917408 648746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Nope.
< 1318917412 196214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: This is literally the tool I need.
< 1318917578 90296 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ignoreEOFError e = unless (isEOFError e) (throwIO e), I guess?
< 1318917600 112973 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No liftA2ing that
< 1318917605 204857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yeah, I did that (with applicative combinators).
< 1318917613 16582 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad elliott.
< 1318917614 685399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then Deewiant was like "seriously though" and I was like "yeah" and didn't actually put it in.
< 1318917641 562011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip (liftA2 unless) throwIO should be in Control.Exception.
< 1318917668 362884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The problem with that is that the "where" one-liner sticks out. :p
< 1318917673 66029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS TOTALLY MATTERS
< 1318917678 747785 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I believe ignoreEOFError could be translated to when.
< 1318917694 635729 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1318917696 356148 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1318917703 140030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless = when . not
< 1318917728 813576 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the condition relies on e so you can't do that.
< 1318917734 116620 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think this piece of code is really worth worrying about.
< 1318917752 450078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yeah, but it distracts me from writing the other portion of this, namely a shell script.
< 1318917764 291516 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ew, shell script.
< 1318917781 937094 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the goal of this?
< 1318917794 778846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Backups. The reason I need this server is because of badly-designed software.
< 1318917806 961194 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\e -> unless (f e) (throwIO e))
< 1318917807 316215 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftM2 unless f throwIO
< 1318917810 532230 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Backups*?
< 1318917812 679577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the shell script will literally be "echo foo | nc localhost 9999; blah; echo bar | nc localhost 9999".
< 1318917817 2115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's not so bad.
< 1318917822 844300 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I said no lift[A-Z]2!
< 1318917843 521356 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even liftQ?
< 1318917850 482106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Specifically, I need to stop a piece of software from writing to the data while it's being backed up.
< 1318917870 483692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It has a console designed to be used by human users read from stdin; I need to be able to use it while also having the script send commands.
< 1318917879 254215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this program turns a single file into a line-multiplexed server.
< 1318917903 429078 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1318917929 679746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course this creates the problem of how _I_ interact with it, but that was why I asked if anyone knows of a tail -f + readline deal. :-)
< 1318917954 684731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, rdiff-backup is doing the heavy lifting here.
< 1318917956 694484 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail -f + readline?
< 1318917971 681627 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (\e -> unless (f e) (throwIO e))
< 1318917972 650596 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `throwIO'
< 1318917976 687169 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, to give you a pseudo-stdin-stdout thingy?
< 1318917980 103001 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t catch
< 1318917981 42240 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. IO a -> (IOError -> IO a) -> IO a
< 1318917982 779325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yeah.
< 1318917991 22942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: tail -f the log file, readline for the actual line input.
< 1318918010 635933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: (When stdin is a tty, the bad software does basic terminal stuff so that lines coming in don't overwrite the input.)
< 1318918040 478256 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (a -> Bool) -> IO () -> IO ()
< 1318918040 984645 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign.Marshal.Error throwIf :: (a -> Bool) -> (a -> String) -> IO a -> IO a
< 1318918041 233415 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign.Marshal.Error throwIf_ :: (a -> Bool) -> (a -> String) -> IO a -> IO ()
< 1318918041 380051 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign.C.Error throwErrnoIf :: (a -> Bool) -> String -> IO a -> IO a
< 1318918053 921868 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like that's a common pattern.
< 1318918065 220287 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle+
< 1318918065 587318 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign.C.Error throwErrnoIfRetry :: (a -> Bool) -> String -> IO a -> IO a
< 1318918065 821146 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign.C.Error throwErrnoIf_ :: (a -> Bool) -> String -> IO a -> IO ()
< 1318918065 967922 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign.C.Error throwErrnoIfRetry_ :: (a -> Bool) -> String -> IO a -> IO ()
< 1318918069 972244 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle+
< 1318918070 306600 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign.C.Error throwErrnoIfRetryMayBlock :: (a -> Bool) -> String -> IO a -> IO b -> IO a
< 1318918070 580556 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign.C.Error throwErrnoIfRetryMayBlock_ :: (a -> Bool) -> String -> IO a -> IO b -> IO ()
< 1318918070 727146 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign.C.Error throwErrnoPathIf :: (a -> Bool) -> String -> FilePath -> IO a -> IO a
< 1318918082 290868 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh.
< 1318918092 782265 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :throwErrnoIfRetryMayBlock_ is a pretty bad name
< 1318918101 470294 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I remember that function.
< 1318918120 182420 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was digging around in GHC's I/O implementation trying to figure out how the whole blocking thing worked.
< 1318918126 901506 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's such a mess to figure out.
< 1318918128 342025 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t isEOFError
< 1318918129 134340 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `isEOFError'
< 1318918136 508003 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let isEOFError _ = False
< 1318918137 659737 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1318918144 164124 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1318918144 842570 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: (When stdin is a tty, the bad software does basic terminal stuff so that lines coming in don't overwrite the input.) <-- which bad software?
< 1318918160 85520 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: rdif-backup?
< 1318918160 700218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: CB.
< 1318918163 614721 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1318918168 391135 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: CB being?
< 1318918169 542057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, rdiff-backup is the good software I'm using to backup.
< 1318918176 3618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: CrBu.
< 1318918181 737504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a riddle. Of time.
< 1318918183 82417 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CrBu being?
< 1318918190 383804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The bad software is the program I have to tell to stop writing to the files.
< 1318918190 742884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is it the mc server?
< 1318918199 480962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. I dare not speak its name for the horrors it causes me.
< 1318918208 588365 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why call it cb?
< 1318918210 33892 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t unless
< 1318918210 885791 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *). (Monad m) => Bool -> m () -> m ()
< 1318918216 337762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's its name.
< 1318918225 284879 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh craftbukkit-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar
< 1318918233 842841 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course
< 1318918262 699048 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, using unless instead of the guard is probably better.
< 1318918319 309452 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@whatis cb
< 1318918319 574160 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about cb.
< 1318918325 581813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: craftbukkit
< 1318918329 749790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that is what it is
< 1318918338 278775 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what?
< 1318918342 508528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: which is an minecraft server
< 1318918343 38119 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks like a Minecraft thing.
< 1318918345 647906 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes
< 1318918349 276494 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does this have to do with backup?
< 1318918353 833119 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it what it is?
< 1318918355 691175 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: backing up the world?
< 1318918363 756676 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels like he misunderstood something.

< 1318918371 578522 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords . reverse . words $ "is it what it is"
< 1318918372 651055 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, well. It's just Minecraft, so I don't feel bad.
< 1318918373 176766 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "is it what it is"
< 1318918379 403694 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what?
< 1318918387 390972 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let onwords f = unwords . f . words
< 1318918388 520623 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1318918395 767979 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> onwords reverse "is it what it is"
< 1318918396 890036 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wonderful
< 1318918397 406293 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "is it what it is"
< 1318918408 751104 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t unwords
< 1318918409 602683 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[String] -> String
< 1318918412 507263 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t words
< 1318918413 400781 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :String -> [String]
< 1318918416 475874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I have to tell the piece of shit server to stop writing to the world every two seconds so I can rdiff-backup it.
< 1318918433 669894 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly unwords . words =/= id. :-(
< 1318918449 357927 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1318918452 787493 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck java in its flying ass
< 1318918455 862114 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :for making fucking bytes signed
< 1318918468 641187 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: you know that char in C is often signed?
< 1318918471 828447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"char" can and usually is signed in C, too.
< 1318918480 574397 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I want my bytes to be unsigned
< 1318918482 173722 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I fix this
< 1318918486 546489 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsigned byte?
< 1318918486 756846 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The difference being that C has the "unsigned" keyword
< 1318918487 876138 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting like -12 instead of 244
< 1318918489 380385 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1318918493 142573 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: char is for characters.
< 1318918501 170470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: You don't.
< 1318918504 522872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Use int or w/e.
< 1318918504 791376 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why it's 32 bits long.
< 1318918509 345376 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> w/e
< 1318918510 249483 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  w / e
< 1318918510 778141 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: The answer is, you use the signed types that are larger than the original unsigned type. I.e. use a short to hold an unsigned byte, use a long to hold an unsigned int. (And use a char to hold an unsigned short.) Yeah, this kinda sucks because now you're using twice as much memory, but there really is no other solution. (Also bear in mind, access to longs is not guaranteed to be atomic - although if you're using 
< 1318918517 781046 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://darksleep.com/player/JavaAndUnsignedTypes.html
< 1318918528 483042 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using the method read(byte[] b, int off, int len)  though
< 1318918531 658375 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no read for int[]
< 1318918532 880178 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or w/e
< 1318918550 661656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, so what if you want an unsigned long long or such in java?
< 1318918561 557612 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: well it would be short for unsigned byte.
< 1318918564 849699 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see what to do
< 1318918567 389855 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x000000FF & (int)buf[index]
< 1318918569 449952 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :this fucking shit everywhere
< 1318918573 791826 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'll make a method to do it for me
< 1318918588 478590 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you delete cwd and then ^C your program, it complains.
< 1318918593 897406 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just sayin'.
< 1318918596 330681 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: abstraction????? Have you gone mad!?!?!?!?
< 1318918598 510273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What.
< 1318918608 615697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Or 0xFF.
< 1318918612 499145 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, maybe that was runghc?
< 1318918645 662261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Sounds likei t to me.
< 1318918648 552617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were you stress-testing that?
< 1318918651 542192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/i t/ it/
< 1318918657 150362 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, runghc.
< 1318918661 131937 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nah, just habit.
< 1318918763 335147 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION regularly deletes directories while there are still processes running in them.

< 1318918769 414529 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also regularly exit bash with kill -9 $$
< 1318918774 174393 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1318918775 140545 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1318918785 771291 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that takes MORE typing than just plain exit
< 1318918800 342760 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to be joking
< 1318918816 785888 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent. works like a charm
< 1318918821 551850 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :an ugly charm but who's keeping score
< 1318918830 104537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I shut down my computer with an axe.
< 1318918931 401726 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm not.
< 1318918938 440998 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It doesn't save command line history.
< 1318918947 997900 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu learns the joys of abstraction.
< 1318918951 51495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that can be disabled with set anyway
< 1318918960 139146 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: After the fact?
< 1318918963 183760 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe shopt
< 1318918967 961273 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want *some* things to be saved in history.
< 1318918970 520392 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: after starting the shell yes
< 1318918982 870289 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't always know when I start a shell whether the commands I'm about to type are going to be something I want to save.
< 1318918989 891416 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1318918997 197623 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
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< 1318920534 231153 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mh
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< 1318921005 374144 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do see quite a lot of &0x{ff,ffff} in Java thanks to the "only signed types" thing.
< 1318921123 675002 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way they call the 8 bits wide type "byte" also makes it sound like it should be unsigned. Not that I have a better name for it.
< 1318921165 4535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :signed octet
< 1318921211 221671 :ive!~nn@189.179.247.113 QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1318921211 691092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oi, do you know something which is like rlwrap, except it also handles output not overwriting input, and prints a prompt?
< 1318921230 207700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically I want to "tail -f server.log | magicprog | nc localhost 9999", where port 9999 is a server that writes to the console.
< 1318921333 821045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, fizzie knows.
< 1318921366 910620 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sictet", yes, that's what they should've called it.
< 1318921368 534077 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure what you want magicproc to do there.
< 1318921393 741352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Present readline prompt; and show its input but not overriding its input.
< 1318921394 902917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err. That is to say.
< 1318921404 509864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Basically I want something that shows tail -f's output while letting me input things.
< 1318921418 338843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without new data on tail -f overwriting my input line, like netcat-IRCing does.
< 1318921421 319913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preferably line-edited.
< 1318921426 584098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has to exist, come on.
< 1318921757 551240 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But being in the pipeline like that, magicproc has no access to the controlling terminal. Or, well, I guess it could open it explicitly. Anyway, I don't think I've heard of such a thing.
< 1318921914 501703 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the output from "nc localhost 9999"?
< 1318922056 141659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, it's fine if it takes some parameters instead, of course.
< 1318922060 910495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: And that can just be discarded.
< 1318922076 785913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's this "srw is used to provide a simple line editing interface to a program. The output of the program does not interupt the input to srw, and the input to srw is not echoed."
< 1318922082 181225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know if I'm just missing something.
< 1318922109 327443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's, you know, sucklessware, so it isn't using readline or anything simple like that.
< 1318922126 16153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to just write my own thing; it's just cat + readline.
< 1318922132 185259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there must be _something_.
< 1318922156 240392 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :where there's a way, perl can do it.
< 1318922208 560800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Do it then
< 1318922217 20642 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah
< 1318922239 582875 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I assume there are specific requirements that I'm not aware of, otherwise youd just use.... cat + readline
< 1318922276 471111 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hm. What if you rlwrapped "bash -c 'nc localhost 9999 >/dev/null | tail -f server.log'"? The input into that "program" would go to the nc, and the "program"'s output would be tail -f's output, and rlwrap (or srw, or something) would take care of providing line editing for the input and handling output such that it doesn't clobber the prompt.
< 1318922317 697134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That sounds plausible. I suppose it won't take care of, e.g. the completed line being printed out?
< 1318922319 667323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like REPLs.
< 1318922340 911700 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, probably not, unless your rlwrap-like tool has an "echo the command" flag.
< 1318922364 660484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't think rlwrap can print a prompt, but... it's a decent idea.
< 1318922373 496267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@katia:~/Code/line-server$ rlwrap "bash -c 'cat >foo | cat /dev/urandom'"rlwrap: Cannot execute bash -c 'cat >foo | cat /dev/urandom': No such file or directory
< 1318922378 195908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh.
< 1318922422 392222 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :       -S, --substitute-prompt 
< 1318922422 577136 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :              Substitute the  specified  prompt  for   command's  own  prompt.
< 1318922422 577339 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :              Mainly useful when  command doesn't have a prompt.
< 1318922431 49490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1318922434 594455 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think you just don't use the qutoes?
< 1318922439 813001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yeah.
< 1318922472 59389 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to echo the input, too.
< 1318922496 889256 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least   rlwrap bash -c 'cat >tmp.out | while true; do echo yay; sleep 1; done'   seems to behave sensibly, discounting the lack of prompt, for which -S might help.
< 1318922502 788205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does "tail -f" really do that sleep-every-few-seconds thing nowadays?
< 1318922548 481012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: -S seems to have annoying side-effects: like it prints a > before every "yay" line.
< 1318922558 833552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since rlwrap kind of assumes that the thing is prompt-based.
< 1318922605 995607 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why would tail -f do that?
< 1318922627 599658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf:        -s, --sleep-interval=N
< 1318922627 762536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :              with -f, sleep for approximately N seconds (default 1.0) between
< 1318922628 13946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :              iterations
< 1318922655 991147 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1318923070 922335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, how do I tell rlwrap that the prompt is just whenever I press enter?
< 1318923573 938565 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :write it a letter
< 1318923588 830546 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :begin with...  Dear rlwrap: ...
< 1318923599 340911 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use the : because you mean business.
< 1318923942 281504 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote my hide-data-on-fat16-and-retrieve-it program \o/
< 1318923942 733757 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                        |
< 1318923942 734050 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                       /<
< 1318923946 72091 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1318924082 887234 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4ef42.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318924085 339106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: pls tell me it wasn't actually in java
< 1318924096 757796 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I wrote it in java
< 1318924099 192340 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :U mad?
< 1318924122 788223 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :f7u12?
< 1318924178 603466 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no not a channel I'll never care about ever :'(
< 1318924186 62096 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :your omnipotence, please, have mercy
< 1318924192 609742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excuse me -minecraft is where all the cool kids hang out.
< 1318924195 52433 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :P.S. what should I have written it in
< 1318924208 869842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything but Java. Or Perl.
< 1318924236 13970 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm basically the ultimate programming scrub
< 1318924241 73850 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote it in the BlueJ IDE
< 1318924266 917351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I cause you to stop existing somehow
< 1318924309 380158 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4ef42.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1318924316 104304 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4ef42.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e=mc²
< 1318924319 72680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not you.
< 1318924320 434431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu.
< 1318924323 434449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also wrong.
< 1318924323 762120 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4ef42.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
< 1318924325 562855 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4ef42.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1318924336 227592 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :look on the bright side
< 1318924338 384669 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not itidus12
< 1318924339 10937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :E = blah blah pc blah.
< 1318924347 302328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Yes, that is one way in which you are distinctly inferior.
< 1318924352 174869 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1318924352 421785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's itidus20.
< 1318924355 780364 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oops
< 1318924372 665245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: The #esoteric cable has strongly agreed on the policy of itidus20 supremacy.
< 1318924386 539439 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :supremacy to everyone?
< 1318924387 496509 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just me
< 1318924413 243615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone. Except fungot.
< 1318924413 394604 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: to. why, this is for you guys are a lot
< 1318925067 134594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hmm, what if the "nc" part was extended so that it printed a recognisable prompt after each input?
< 1318925589 232832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"At first I thought your program made a fractal image derived from the bootsector for easy human categorization. I get paranoid somebody's gonna call my operating system a virus, the bastards! http://www.losethos.com"
< 1318925595 562932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LoseThos guy is still most funny guy.
< 1318925665 506971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Must anticipate what 14Mhz clock will be when message arrives at application. Microsoft will laugh at you. (There is lots of stuff going on in many tasks in windows all the time and time slices are handed out to tasks and anticipating what a 14MHz clock will be when a time slice is handed to an application and it executes a certain way into the application code with the message getting dispatched... Microsoft would laugh at you. In wet-wired log
< 1318925665 668640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic, no less! Now, what were you saying to God and I? Lemme get some popcorn.)"
< 1318926066 845530 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318926132 12368 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is Ireland a thing that exists.
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< 1318926716 907360 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1318926844 939020 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
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< 1318926966 61355 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I made a complicated bash thing that prints a new "> " prompt after each line, but it didn't help. The prompt output is mixed with the "tail -f" output, and rlwrap will not "forward" a prompt ever, so when (as seen by rlwrap) the program outputs "> " and then "yay\n", it will just show "> yay" on the screen and remove the prompt, presumably under the assumption that the prompt is no longer relevant since the program outputted something new.
< 1318927027 525011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Heh.
< 1318927202 904071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So I guess I should just write my own little ditty?
< 1318927211 633202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I suppose I'll have to do the same hacks we do in mcmap for decent prompt handling.
< 1318927300 640720 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmmaybe. Perhaps quite not that many hacks since all your input comes from file descriptors, not from other threads of the program, so you don't need that extra pipe.
< 1318927391 704514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1318927394 886240 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do think you need to use the "callback" interface to readline if you want to put some new output there while the input line editing is being done, since otherwise readline will block until the user is finished.
< 1318927395 945951 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, someone broke sensors-detect code for 2.6.x kernel identification when they fixed it for 3.x kernels
< 1318927407 142626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ sensors-detect
< 1318927407 289330 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argument ".35.4-L1" isn't numeric in numeric ge (>=) at /usr/sbin/sensors-detect line 2489.
< 1318927407 335840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kernel version is unsupported (too old, >= 2.6.5 needed)
< 1318927413 21427 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ uname -a
< 1318927413 168013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux phoenix 2.6.35.4-L1 #1 Fri Aug 27 17:25:41 CEST 2010 i686 Pentium III (Coppermine) GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
< 1318927478 908647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upgrade yer kernel.
< 1318927489 48797 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm doing that atm
< 1318927495 44390 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway yeah, /var/abs/extra/lm_sensors/linux_3.0.patch breaks it
< 1318927544 94127 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I haven't booted this system since like late spring
< 1318927550 474953 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is why it has such an old kernel
< 1318927564 297359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having one computer simplifies your life dramatically, it's great.
< 1318927577 959543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also not caring about your data I guess is the other component of that.
< 1318927603 684310 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well this computer has an IBM Deskstar iirc. So caring about data is clearly out of the question ANYWAY
< 1318927613 460226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1318927643 335609 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Model Family:     IBM Deskstar 60GXP
< 1318927644 110188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1318927662 645425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also known as IBM Deathstar
< 1318927666 846383 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they suck so badly
< 1318927682 819107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is on 20 GB anyway
< 1318927727 457066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway, I use this computer when I need old hardware. Like a physical serial port.
< 1318927754 733002 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :serial port by USB devices sucks generally. Never got GPIO to work properly for them
< 1318927803 694646 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who was it that released 3.0.0 renumbered back to 2.6.40 to avoid breakage? Ubuntu or someone else?
< 1318927811 737777 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: red hat iirc
< 1318927821 279338 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or fedora maybe
< 1318927823 385958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the two
< 1318927843 636340 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1318927848 690067 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm using Linux 2.6.40 (Fedora 15's version of 3.0) and --" apparently so.
< 1318927873 996876 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shown when upgrading udev:
< 1318927875 593428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"rtc is no longer in the audio group and fb devices are no longer in the video group, as permissions and ownership of fb devices are controlled by X."
< 1318927886 903682 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is strange
< 1318927895 465397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only motivates the latter change, not the former one
< 1318927915 294710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I like how Fedora are the ones who always break everything but they couldn't be arsed this time.
< 1318927925 99372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu ships with the properly-numbered kernel.
< 1318927927 794505 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I use audio, fb or X on that computer... It is headless and lacks sound chipsets completely
< 1318927946 272185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I actually have two computers that I care about, one of them just isn't in this room.
< 1318927949 734698 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Possibly their distribution-making scripts were the ones that broke on 3.x. :p
< 1318927951 586932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess that will become three sometime.
< 1318927959 521109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Nah, it was some driver or something.
< 1318927963 804427 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have 4 running atm
< 1318927969 567605 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use two regularly
< 1318927971 45069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Including remote servers?
< 1318927976 451989 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, as in this room
< 1318927987 756069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Include servers.
< 1318927998 659324 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well add a VPS that I co-own with a good friend then.
< 1318928007 181014 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(50/50 split of the cost)
< 1318928011 981467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Your life is too complicated.
< 1318928033 61368 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a VPS so it counts as 0.5 computers; co-owning splits that to 0.25.
< 1318928041 312747 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1318928048 702735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: If anything VPSes count as multiple computers, because they're more of a pain than local computers.
< 1318928063 591002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Network lag, hard to debug problems when they go dead, probably harder to reinstall the OS, etc.
< 1318928065 47444 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway I normally just use my desktop and my laptop. I do have that old Dell P3 that I'm upgrading atm, and an old dell laptop. And a first gen ibook with a dead battery
< 1318928073 217329 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Softwaristically, maybe; hardwaristically at least it's someone else's problem.
< 1318928100 62036 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: never had that VPS go dead. Good hosting. Xen too.
< 1318928114 569783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Then you haven't been running interesting enough things. :-)
< 1318928129 258990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I wouldn't count things like the iBook; there are certainly other computers in this house, I just never think about them.
< 1318928131 412809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well maybe not. IRC server. Website. That is about it iirc.
< 1318928138 919741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let alone use them.
< 1318928146 519432 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well yeah there are probably "computers" in stuff like the freezer.
< 1318928165 681498 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are computers in my basement, and I never use them. :( *sad*
< 1318928170 44808 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1318928184 759947 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway I do turn on the ibook maybe once a year or so when I get nostalgic
< 1318928192 46181 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :play some Avernum.
< 1318928198 497296 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then turn it off and store it away again
< 1318928210 694884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, EV Override. That was a fun game too.
< 1318928216 871272 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Sun SparcStation 5, that SGI Indy, and the Sun 4*3.5" external SCSI HD box which makes an incredible amount of noise.
< 1318928244 267391 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's like two fans in it, and the disks aren't quiet either.
< 1318928250 272157 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1318928259 775586 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody interested in the Helsinki esolang evening school assignments?  http://tinyurl.com/5stnu5n
< 1318928289 360676 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm atehwa is from .fi?
< 1318928297 285908 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes indeed.
< 1318928297 432541 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many of you guys *are* there?
< 1318928304 84348 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in this channel I mean)
< 1318928314 551102 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there were ~20 participants in the evening school :)
< 1318928321 98786 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant in this channel.
< 1318928325 974606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: I think he means Finns.
< 1318928328 996516 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1318928334 830871 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might be more on the channel, too, as I recommended the channel to the participants
< 1318928344 370168 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but now, about 5 from .fi
< 1318928347 397760 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the channel
< 1318928349 264060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I wonder if we scared any of those guys off. Actually none of them came, I think.
< 1318928364 362752 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just sent them the recommendation
< 1318928368 147665 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know fizzie, Deewiant, oklopol and now atehwa are from Finland.
< 1318928380 495017 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ineiros too.
< 1318928383 177136 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah
< 1318928384 736818 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot him
< 1318928393 411572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk too.
< 1318928396 83203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And mtve.
< 1318928398 185819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think?)
< 1318928409 211271 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think mtve is Finnish, but I'm not sure
< 1318928419 610240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just assumed, what with fizzie. :p
< 1318928436 400550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* [aloril] (~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi): Aloril
< 1318928438 542549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's another one.
< 1318928440 490469 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: mtve is from US or is using a bouncer or such in US
< 1318928442 931660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and fungot counts too.
< 1318928443 78360 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: or is it just me, or i: yet, you rogue! vernon. hark ye: not so much. sorry, this is it! all about macros, a wonderful!' i am sorry, in particular candidate countries. if the transatlantic relationship, but the parliament has possessed him, yet he talkes well, it's open source
< 1318928445 223113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there's like eight of 'em.
< 1318928490 125233 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a few Swedes too. Maybe we Scandinavians are driven insane by the dark winters? Thus resulting in a lot of us turning to esolangs?
< 1318928490 300119 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And where was FireFly from? Somewhere in Scandinavia at least, I think.
< 1318928492 579490 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a theory
< 1318928496 357229 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: he is from Sweden
< 1318928501 301970 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so am I, and olsner
< 1318928505 34536 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and BeholdMyGlory iirc
< 1318928519 790729 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Hokay. The realname did sound Swedish, but there's quite a lot of those in .fi too.
< 1318928524 299261 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's really lots of geeks in Finland, compared to the number of people
< 1318928533 855093 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ [BeholdMyGlory] (~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory): Arvid <-- hm. Really?
< 1318928544 76737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not convinced Finland is actually a country, as opposed to, like... I don't know.
< 1318928546 706696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the demoscene made it up?
< 1318928558 599251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Confirm/deny?
< 1318928562 969781 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know. I never actually met someone with the same first name as me. It isn't /that/ uncommon.
< 1318928568 503178 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, it had been so already before the schene.
< 1318928573 543138 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*scene
< 1318928575 16775 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I never run into someone else with my name.
< 1318928580 263831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: Long-running myth.
< 1318928605 870565 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of sci-fi, fantasy, math, electronics geeks
< 1318928606 504036 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of which, ALTparty 2011 next weekend, best get moving if you need to swim across any oceans or so on.
< 1318928612 386691 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and language geeks, too.
< 1318928613 407835 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, they fooled ICANN pretty well then.
< 1318928624 745259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know how to convince ls it's talking to a tty, so it'll columnate etc.?
< 1318928651 592673 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you could create a tty? Like for example xterm does?
< 1318928656 467371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: In "Helsingrad", apparently.
< 1318928672 138691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds russian ?
< 1318928710 354083 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's Helsinki; it's just that this year's theme is "RED MACHINE".
< 1318928720 971097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1318928753 594051 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's reasonably likely that this year is the last year, so try not to miss it.
< 1318928759 869701 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if my company will be present @AltParty this year...
< 1318928767 63391 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh?
< 1318928788 264599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what is ALTparty about btw?
< 1318928800 207285 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :two years ago, we had some kind of supercomputer there that somebody used to calculate frames for their raytraced animation :)
< 1318928811 103183 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Alternative Party is a festival of digital culture attended by coders, musicians, designers, hackers, and other digital enthusiasts. In Alternative Party, you can enjoy digital culture in various forms, catch a glimpse of the technology of the future, and experience nostalgic trips with vintage hardware."
< 1318928816 682309 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: demo scene, and general geekiness
< 1318928828 847255 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → Ireland

< 1318928832 794421 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1318928839 149888 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1318928843 793491 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: Was this the "desktop" Cray CX1 thing?
< 1318928868 888294 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the details, I just heard about it after the fact
< 1318928899 636040 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone had one there, though presumably Cray themselves were involved; there was a competition to do stuff with it, with not very many entries.
< 1318928921 711008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like modern Crays at all.
< 1318928923 104352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're so normal.
< 1318928949 798248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: probably because it is cheaper to do it that way
< 1318928960 204907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it is because they are bad people.
< 1318928960 510920 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doesn't really make sense to build a supercomputer which has so different architecture that you can't test your programs anywhere else
< 1318928974 101001 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1318928979 18448 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, they're having some financial difficulties this year already, and in the agenda for the organization's yearly meeting that I got for some reason (I don't think I'm a member or anything...) they're suggesting that they won't organize the party any more "in the current form".
< 1318928989 415766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: Nooo, it's about the _spirit_.
< 1318928993 374378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :char should be some stupidly large number of bits.
< 1318928998 410286 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I understood as much :)
< 1318929003 972513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that is called a DSP
< 1318929004 738407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And preferably PDP-endian just for laughs.
< 1318929011 308794 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :36, preferably.
< 1318929018 313912 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think cray ever used PDP-endian?
< 1318929019 124270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... say... how about floats are IEEE format, but with the components reversed?
< 1318929035 835195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, and maybe we could have a segmentation model where memory addresses are divided into /three/ components.
< 1318929043 648436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But one of the components is two bits less than the rest, and is multiplied by ten.
< 1318929053 902926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it uses balanced decimal and is a sheep.
< 1318929064 319891 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: go make this into an esolang
< 1318929067 971683 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :supercomputing sheep.
< 1318929073 71957 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a (well, two) 40-bit accumulator in the TI TMS320C54x, but "otherwise" it's a boring 16-bit-words machine.
< 1318929076 991350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then implement it with VHDL or Verilog
< 1318929107 256380 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the TI C compiler even implements CHAR_BIT==8 on it.
< 1318929108 803909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: VHDL can do sheep nowadays?
< 1318929109 909840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fancy.
< 1318929155 88206 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah, use IEEE.std_sheep.all;
< 1318929194 72689 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assume a spherical sheep.
< 1318929197 290883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: AKA "use wales;".
< 1318929197 644713 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you could even make it distributed. (the technical term for this is "sheep farm")
< 1318929228 227480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Do Welsh jokes even work on a Scandinavian audience.)
< 1318929235 490302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Are you even aware of the existence of Wales? We barely are ourselves.)
< 1318929246 963572 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm aware of what a Welsh joke is if that is what you mean
< 1318929276 702001 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they don't exist here if that is what you mean
< 1318929319 518272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway "use wales;" looks wrong in VHDL. Pretty sure you want use "Wales.all;" then
< 1318929344 251665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :use whales
< 1318929372 773127 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: all is a keyword in that context I /think/. It is usually highlighted as one anyway.
< 1318929646 803874 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :insert sheep
< 1318929690 498024 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I should be sleeping as of 5 hours ago
< 1318929928 400049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You Arch users are lucky: GNU inetutils is now your default source of telnet, ftp, ping, hostname, etc.; maintained by the _wonderful_ ams.
< 1318929935 994750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROGRESS
< 1318929953 712346 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh? I have no idea who that is
< 1318929966 146274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's come up a few times in here.
< 1318929971 665759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's... "pleasant".
< 1318929983 439830 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so not at all then
< 1318930039 523309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: My first interaction with him, he /ignore'd me because he asked a question about free()'s semantics; I first looked it up in POSIX for him; he said that wasn't C; then politely in the post-C99 draft; he said that wasn't C99; I said they wouldn't change the semantics of something as fundamental as free(NULL) in minor corrective drafts; he called me a troll and /ignored me.
< 1318930060 648042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1318930077 290463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then an hour or so later he started bugging people trying to talk about the distro it was a channel for (NixOS) for having non-free software in the repositories (as build scripts).
< 1318930085 369826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :His claimed benefit for removing this would be that it could be hosted on gnu.org FTP.
< 1318930108 168606 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh
< 1318930122 928407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's basically rms but less rational and more abrasive.
< 1318930157 151857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1318930174 459841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if he should switch to NILFS.

< 1318930193 195343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1318930196 185723 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The filesystem that can only store empty lists. (Okay, not really.)
< 1318930215 648144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It has all that nice snapshotting and versioning stuff.
< 1318930220 218514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus online resizing??
< 1318930227 123269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know how stable it is. :p
< 1318930230 903936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well ext4 has online resizing
< 1318930242 888611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And instantaneous snapshotting?
< 1318930243 35604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does jfs and xfs iirc
< 1318930249 434579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1318930251 964174 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I considered it too, for the snapshots. Never got around doing it.
< 1318930261 203533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JFS is my go-to file system.
< 1318930270 131343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't really support online resizing though; it can't shrink.
< 1318930275 541574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah
< 1318930283 902560 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think ext4 can shrink either
< 1318930302 488699 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to default to ext4 when I have no specific reason for another file system
< 1318930319 803050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ext4 is obsolete by design, XFS is unreliable, JFS is pretty good but I don't know how well-maintained it is and the lack of shrinking is kinda suboptimal.
< 1318930334 756350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btrfs is Oracle.
< 1318930339 79838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ext4 is stable and reliable though
< 1318930353 423644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :obsolete by design yes, but stable and reliable
< 1318930355 903734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, and it features long fsck times as its primary user-visible feature.
< 1318930363 901380 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1318930372 622275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But really, I'm not going to commit to something that is meant to be replaced by an unacceptable system (btrfs) within a few years.
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< 1318930380 420783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just setting yourself up for trouble.
< 1318930384 552662 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1318930411 644351 :sadhu!kaus@117.201.48.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any tool out there whic convers strings to bf code which prints the string?
< 1318930418 492262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NILFS does look neat, and I guess they're storing lots of data on it from the source of it and the design features?
< 1318930421 793567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I dunno how stable it is.
< 1318930424 589632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadhu: Yes. Tons.
< 1318930431 308705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen sup
< 1318930432 390619 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadhu: no. !bf_txtgen doesn't do that at all
< 1318930443 904850 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is slow
< 1318930445 392000 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help
< 1318930448 863618 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help .
< 1318930452 300144 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :egobot in general is
< 1318930458 717645 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen test
< 1318930459 559478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: bf_txtgen is a very slow algorithm.
< 1318930463 950106 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​61 +++++++++++++[>+++++++++>++++++++>+><<<<-]>-.>---.<-.+.>>---. [35]
< 1318930465 857840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not this slow usually
< 1318930495 249360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Usually we run it on known strings :-)
< 1318930501 737165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadhu: How's asm->bf going?
< 1318930508 8718 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it doesn't cache afaik?
< 1318930512 885933 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen test
< 1318930514 713017 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​61 +++++++++++++[>++++++++>+++++++++>+><<<<-]>>-.<---.>-.+.>---. [117]
< 1318930515 975256 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Helsinki Hacklab presents the Hacklab Reactor Simulator, an interactive Soviet nuclear plant experience.  Feel the power of an explosing nuclear powerplant! We are also happy to tell you more about Helsinki Hacklab, the local hackerspace in Helsinki." The best thing or the best thing?
< 1318930517 832484 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen sup
< 1318930520 559071 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​50 +++++++++[>+++++++++++++>+>><<<<-]>--.++.-----.>+. [511]
< 1318930523 73272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It does; and improves on previous results.
< 1318930527 793191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hm
< 1318930530 277251 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen asbdjashd
< 1318930531 384233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Hello, world!
< 1318930532 514318 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​92 ++++++++++++[>++++++++>++++++++++>++++++++>+<<<<-]>+.>-----.>++.++.++++++.<<.>.>--.----.>--. [234]
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< 1318930538 459669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen asbdjashd
< 1318930540 40331 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​93 ++++++++++++[>++++++++>++++++++++>+++++++++>+<<<<-]>+.>-----.<+.++.>>--.<<---.>.>--.----.>--. [328]
< 1318930542 300263 :sadhu!kaus@117.201.48.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen hakuna matata
< 1318930544 259753 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​126 +++++++++++++[>+++++++++>+++++++>++++++++>++<<<<-]>>>.<++++++.>+++.<<.>>+++.<.>>++++++.<-.<.<-.>.<.>.>>----------------------. [141]
< 1318930545 492263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Hello, world!
< 1318930545 639036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Hello, world!
< 1318930545 640385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Hello, world!
< 1318930548 130504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Hello, world!
< 1318930548 277206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Hello, world!
< 1318930549 232159 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​139 +++++++++[>++++++++>++++>+++++>+<<<<-]>.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.+++++++..+++.>>-.<----.<++++++++.--------.+++.------.--------.>+.>>+. [236]
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< 1318930553 910731 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is a genetic algorithm
< 1318930555 360696 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1318930557 143773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great, now they're all going to intermingle. :p
< 1318930625 352635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, why doesn't this GHC binary work on pyralspite.
< 1318930670 413784 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in what way does it fail?
< 1318930713 896321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It literally hangs on startup.
< 1318930714 558499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, before option parsing.
< 1318930761 636902 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: try strace?
< 1318930776 463843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, more programs on the lean mean server. :p
< 1318930788 580758 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: strace is like a few kb large
< 1318930810 801952 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :228K says du -h
< 1318930850 698930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Realtime/signal bullshit.
< 1318930853 999687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :VTALARMs all over the place.
< 1318930858 946279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be GHC's event manager.
< 1318930863 479026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :God knows.
< 1318930890 571388 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it doesn't hang wrt syscalls anywhere?
< 1318930900 446316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it just does much the same stuff forever.
< 1318930904 239612 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1318930908 506407 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :could hang in a loop then
< 1318930927 279431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, it's GHC's event manager.
< 1318930929 584486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, [INT], [], 8) = 0
< 1318930930 79152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :getrusage(RUSAGE_SELF, {ru_utime={23, 309456}, ru_stime={0, 836052}, ...}) = 0
< 1318930930 245730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gettimeofday({1318930854, 544963}, NULL) = 0
< 1318930930 392402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :getrusage(RUSAGE_SELF, {ru_utime={23, 309456}, ru_stime={0, 836052}, ...}) = 0
< 1318930930 392494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [], NULL, 8) = 0
< 1318930930 392549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- SIGVTALRM (Virtual timer expired) @ 0 (0) ---
< 1318930932 49887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rt_sigreturn(0x1a)                      = 48
< 1318930934 102288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, [INT], [], 8) = 0
< 1318930936 377773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :getrusage(RUSAGE_SELF, {ru_utime={23, 321457}, ru_stime={0, 836052}, ...}) = 0
< 1318930938 183923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gettimeofday({1318930854, 559230}, NULL) = 0
< 1318930940 185509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :getrusage(RUSAGE_SELF, {ru_utime={23, 321457}, ru_stime={0, 836052}, ...}) = 0
< 1318930942 63343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [], NULL, 8) = 0
< 1318930943 875886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, [INT], [], 8) = 0
< 1318930946 195666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :getrusage(RUSAGE_SELF, {ru_utime={23, 333458}, ru_stime={0, 836052}, ...}) = 0
< 1318930948 167119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gettimeofday({1318930854, 572662}, NULL) = 0
< 1318930949 484681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :getrusage(RUSAGE_SELF, {ru_utime={23, 333458}, ru_stime={0, 836052}, ...}) = 0
< 1318930951 485751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc.
< 1318930953 490411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus a lot of mmapping.
< 1318930955 316921 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1318930963 955224 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe another thread hung?
< 1318930985 432485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It /doesn't/ /even/ /get/ /to/ /the/ /first/ /statement/. It's hanging in startup.
< 1318930990 35630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably syscall bullshit since this is oldstable.
< 1318930996 230414 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah could be
< 1318931054 471701 :sadhu!kaus@117.201.48.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an idea to do it without using GP..with some optimizations
< 1318931082 674171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are lots that don't do GP.
< 1318931086 976398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them beat bf_txtgen.
< 1318931124 739785 :sadhu!kaus@117.201.48.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm...
< 1318931449 36566 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: try compiling it with an older ghc?
< 1318931460 317406 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw what is the haskell program you are trying to execute?
< 1318931510 45853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (a) The one in oldstable doesn't even have a simple combinator I used, and it won't even have the event manager that will make this an efficient program anyway, so I'm disinclined to. (b) One I tailor-wrote for the job.
< 1318931531 927842 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the job of mc console handling?
< 1318931537 659466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1318931541 624038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only twenty-five lines.
< 1318931547 901050 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: pastebin it
< 1318931552 998464 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to see it
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< 1318931585 734791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://sprunge.us/aEOV
< 1318931610 245335 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1318931626 95302 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why does it use network?
< 1318931640 750060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The part where it's a network server?
< 1318931649 170936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It listens on a port and merges all lines received into stdout (the console FIFO).
< 1318931655 380749 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1318931672 871230 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was wondering why it would use network for it, as opposed to some in-fifos or whatever
< 1318931696 534522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's just as long a program, and what's the point? FIFOs are strictly more limited: There's a fixed number of them defined at runtime.
< 1318931709 147203 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true
< 1318931722 568010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A server is more flexible and >~blah/foo vs. | nc localhost 9999 is not much difference.
< 1318931741 842697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus someone else can't just write data to a pipe, vs. a FIFO which they could. Not that that would happen, but still.
< 1318931747 734017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e., while another program is doing so)
< 1318931758 540666 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't see it listening only on localhost anywhere
< 1318931761 826856 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I missed something
< 1318931767 922373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it doesn't. Maybe I should fix that. :p
< 1318931773 509723 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Does it handle multiple concurrent connections?
< 1318931775 243663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... maybe it could be a SPECIAL SURPRISE???
< 1318931780 688673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, of course, that's the whole point.
< 1318931808 588155 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and it orders them? And what about server output? You need to parse that anyway to know when save-all finished
< 1318931828 772441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) Yes. (b) The server outputs to server.log anyway; and no you don't, you just sleep for a decent amount of time.
< 1318931846 413790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you did want to read it, it wouldn't be the proper job of this program.
< 1318931854 142938 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
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< 1318932369 734503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "save-off" -> "save-all" DoesWIM, right?
< 1318932373 734443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It does.)
< 1318932681 850634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: WIM?
< 1318932687 960155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WIM.
< 1318932692 78340 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning?
< 1318932707 844684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I
< 1318932710 364915 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1318932730 221014 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I forgot if save-all should come before or after save-off
< 1318932738 234153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, save-off just disables automatic saving.
< 1318932746 16766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it seems like it should be fine to me.
< 1318932760 142397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: remember save-on when you are done
< 1318932763 660494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1318932813 472374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really wish this program just worked.
< 1318932859 452601 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: upgrade from old-stable?
< 1318932871 988188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt stable will be much better.
< 1318932873 758146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway wouldn't ghc just use the libc?
< 1318932878 128603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it might get me a newer kernel, I suppose.
< 1318932886 576787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which does the actual system calls
< 1318932897 605307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No shit?
< 1318932897 979170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you didn't link it statically?
< 1318932916 242330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tried both.
< 1318932918 284126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't work either way.
< 1318932918 815778 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1318933132 566015 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do something like a simple hello world haskell program compiled on your system and uploaded to the server work?
< 1318933135 501006 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :does*
< 1318933204 748293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It won't, since it, as I have said about ten times now, is not even getting to the first statement, which is a trivial pattern match on an IO action that basically just dereferences a pointer.
< 1318933233 252925 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed, but depending on what modules you use, different init code could be generated as far as I know
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< 1318934488 137844 :kaus_!kaus@117.201.57.89 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1318935996 274455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sigh, this upgrade is making breaky-sounding noises
< 1318936005 100569 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh?
< 1318936013 136892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRUB doesn't seem to have any idea what to do
< 1318936015 146311 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I thought it was a VPS? How could it make noises?
< 1318936018 273466 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ouch
< 1318936027 260380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Attempting to install GRUB to a partition instead of the MBR.  This is a BAD idea..
< 1318936027 861845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Embedding is not possible.  GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists.  However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged..
< 1318936028 8493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installation finished. No error reported.
< 1318936028 8703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generating grub.cfg ...
< 1318936030 439366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wait, is grub even used with xen?
< 1318936034 3075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A New Kind of Definition of Error
< 1318936040 106065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes some pvgrub shit i don't even know maybe it doesn't even matter
< 1318936045 271323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's plow on ahead and hope nothing goes wrong
< 1318936057 771159 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you could always call support if it fucks up badly
< 1318936070 754808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: for values of call equal to email
< 1318936076 471531 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well yeah
< 1318936095 7047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay let's
< 1318936095 240576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway why are you trying to install it to a partition?
< 1318936096 3253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try rebooting
< 1318936107 568540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it demanded I told it which partitions to auto install grub to
< 1318936111 999163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i picked the most likely-looking one
< 1318936119 312365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess i picked wrong!!!
< 1318936131 937616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you should have picked like /dev/sda or whatever it is called I guess?
< 1318936133 638462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok reboot time. rip vps
< 1318936141 392924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah no there was like five and they all start with xvd
< 1318936149 936034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the one with least numbers?
< 1318936159 830584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all but one had numbers
< 1318936161 661561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1318936163 306701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :opposite of that
< 1318936164 126725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in retrospect
< 1318936167 592647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why i picked the one with the number
< 1318936170 63288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1318936179 515746 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well it might still boot with the old copy of grub. Perhaps
< 1318936181 101021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if this ssh connection works i will be-
< 1318936183 420505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit it connected
< 1318936187 42052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it really doesn't use grub
< 1318936203 555577 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: either that or it works with the old copy of grub
< 1318936214 959443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, oh well
< 1318936217 947696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WFM
< 1318936225 608953 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for now at least
< 1318936233 652092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: don't even think about switching to grub2 though
< 1318936242 460830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's what the upgrade tried to do
< 1318936246 993270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1318936253 83025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: then I bet it doesn't use grub
< 1318936260 704277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i said
< 1318936261 690729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pvgrub
< 1318936263 997260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatveer that is
< 1318936266 619539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1318936270 425531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.xen.org/xenwiki/PvGrub
< 1318936277 314082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it runs the regular grub inside the created domain itself"
< 1318936288 726677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat, haskell program still doesn't work
< 1318936294 629290 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1318936310 150147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Version: 6.12.1-13
< 1318936315 807152 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1318936320 49016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, it's only over a year old
< 1318936322 350957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1318936324 325012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost two years
< 1318936326 376371 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1318936334 741557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should run experimental on this
< 1318936339 432436 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what about using backport of a newer ghc?
< 1318936347 323026 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't there a backports repo for debian
< 1318936347 469755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ugghhh
< 1318936355 286744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt ghc will be backported :P
< 1318936358 469269 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay
< 1318936381 118600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should just put openbsd on this or something, at least i'd be able to trace all the suckiness down to stupid root principles
< 1318936389 910480 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1318936412 185080 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: or rewrite that program to work on older ghc
< 1318936418 590485 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or write the program in another language
< 1318936426 799880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and miss the benefits of an event manager; and want to kill myself
< 1318936427 390000 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not suggesting C here
< 1318936428 281598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :respectively
< 1318936432 391111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually really like openbsd's distro/install mechanism
< 1318936433 212972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1318936435 684122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so retro
< 1318936440 438729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah
< 1318936441 846675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the filenames are the exact same length
< 1318936443 164222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's like
< 1318936446 617233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xcore.tgz
< 1318936450 401889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just
< 1318936452 389131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know
< 1318936454 528073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just makes me happy
< 1318936491 412293 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what I dislike with freebsd and openbsd is that ports doesn't cover the entire system. Just /usr/local. So nothing outside that is tracked in a package manager
< 1318936506 936052 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea if NetBSD and other *BSD do it that way as well
< 1318936508 776282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of ports, you should just download bsd.tgz
< 1318936514 674270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is every single piece of software in binary form.
< 1318936520 57414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like, the size of Debian.
< 1318936524 718326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's all installed simultaneously.
< 1318936532 299263 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1318936539 350650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that would be so convenient
< 1318936540 669149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to upgrade
< 1318936543 313182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just download a new bsd.tgz
< 1318936544 966213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and unpack it into /
< 1318936552 534901 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and removed files? What removes them
< 1318936568 821222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: why would you remove files
< 1318936570 351558 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1318936600 298037 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, lets say the new version no longer uses /sbin/foobaz but instead does it a different way?
< 1318936614 672254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: symlink
< 1318936633 909787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is something executed from startup scripts, nothing the user would run manually
< 1318936641 306712 :nooga!~nooga@77-254-87-233.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318936643 277054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :symlink to maintain old startup scripts, duh
< 1318936648 295210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to write those yourself.
< 1318936650 850146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: besides there might not be single tool that replaces it :P
< 1318936661 503330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :never remove software.
< 1318936663 974183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that removes choice
< 1318936665 539660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just add more of it
< 1318936670 412040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: come on, openbsd is not quite the same as LFS for BSD
< 1318936683 538656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good idea you should just download kern.tgz
< 1318936686 542908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then gcc.tgz
< 1318936692 82219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you have to compile everything yourself
< 1318936697 829440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually openbsd should just be an abstract concept
< 1318936705 258038 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually I think you need like binutils.tgz roo
< 1318936706 352099 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :too*
< 1318936706 653285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :any bsd created sufficiently manually is openbsd
< 1318936713 98175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :above line should be entire contents of openbsd.org
< 1318936721 603853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's included in gcc.tgz
< 1318936725 221769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to comply with the GFDL
< 1318936735 460515 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how...?
< 1318936737 911439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote GFDL
< 1318936745 705964 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :146) * Phantom_Hoover wonders where the size of the compiled Linux kernel comes from.  To comply with the GFDL, there's a copy of Wikipedia in there.
< 1318936756 373044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1318936765 924659 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the GFDL is a strange beast
< 1318936898 651958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly, if I had a "phat" enough "pipe", I would just run a server from home
< 1318936907 264565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i live in an "unphat" "england"
< 1318936955 725621 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I had a better connection as well. Yogscast reported that they were at a lan party in US, and it took like 6 seconds to upload a 1 GB video.
< 1318936968 789770 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is quite amazing
< 1318937114 518722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318937151 335857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, arch has finally moved into debian territory
< 1318937201 505839 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh?
< 1318937206 797122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a testing repo now
< 1318937211 812682 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that is old
< 1318937217 541608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that old
< 1318937226 209751 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they had it when I started using arch
< 1318937237 421885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, guess they just started exposing it recently
< 1318937256 5637 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well it is just that the time in testing is really fast. Normally like a few weeks at most.
< 1318937512 965547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What, Arch doesn't have lilo support any more.
< 1318937521 429731 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay?
< 1318937524 486442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to ragequit reality.
< 1318937541 412239 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't remember when it last had lilo
< 1318937547 596212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time I used it.
< 1318937602 78021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nilfs + syslinux; gotta be non-traditional.
< 1318937632 599566 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1318937685 78153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The entire point of running Linux is so that someone can mention some part of their setup and you can respond "oh, I just [thing]", which then, through repeated confusion as to how you make that work, unravels into an explanation of your entire batshit insane idiosyncratic setup.
< 1318937703 14480 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: XD
< 1318937718 683843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, "oh, I literally keep my entire filesystem in CVS."
< 1318937722 490391 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1318937730 29380 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah, my setup doesn't boot on a non-custom kernel
< 1318937738 915137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, "oh, I actually have /usr/local/share and /usr/local/lib on different partitions; the latter is ten gigabytes."
< 1318937742 805080 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least with the stock kernel in arch
< 1318937744 843603 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't book
< 1318937746 169881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :boot*
< 1318937758 189300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: s/on a non-/without a /
< 1318937767 976032 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah
< 1318937810 675203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh, I actually telnet in to a Lisp Machine for IRC."
< 1318937811 855928 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is down to getting away with a custom kernel without initramfs mess by using md raid autodetect partitions plus an option in the kernel.
< 1318937815 122498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nothing beats real Emacs editing."
< 1318937826 416497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Don't talk to me about that GNU imitation."
< 1318937829 551509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"``''"
< 1318937833 619895 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone need to make a telnet server in elisp
< 1318937854 497189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So that dry ice cream, what was the texture like.
< 1318937877 592957 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: err, trying to remember the word for what I'm thinking about...
< 1318937890 621859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pizza?
< 1318937898 568500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it was actually pizza, if so.
< 1318937912 653973 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: google translate gets it as meringue. Really dry such
< 1318937922 674495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the taste however, nothing I ever tasted before
< 1318937925 168239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, so it wasn't chewy or anything?
< 1318937942 810862 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was kind of sticky when it got into your mouth
< 1318937945 399667 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :very sticky
< 1318937947 43556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was imagining, like, fudge, except ice cream flavoured.
< 1318938011 684454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I like how Arch is zero point zero point two kernel releases ahead of the actual kernel.
< 1318938017 858853 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: very hard and dry meringue, that got sticky when in my mouth. Took quite a bit of work to get it away from my teeth using a toothbrush.
< 1318938038 73474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly you just need to soak it.
< 1318938038 924650 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: everything kind of is. 3.0.4 is still listed on kernel.org
< 1318938056 693341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, is three point zero point six out, just not on kernel.org?
< 1318938063 289038 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know
< 1318938075 931301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that's what you were saying.
< 1318938097 871808 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know what the official kernel is on. I'm on 3.0.4 with my custom vanilla kernel
< 1318938118 959928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Custom vanilla.
< 1318938123 426526 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you said ahead. Thought you said behind
< 1318938131 241684 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well custom as in not stock distro
< 1318938140 494632 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and vanilla as in downloaded from kernel.org with no patches
< 1318938145 254813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes custom vanilla
< 1318938145 982612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should just use Nix.
< 1318938151 618568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What, not even BFS?
< 1318938155 442435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BFS?
< 1318938160 29135 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big Fucking Sword?
< 1318938169 936992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boulder Frandomising Sasquatch.
< 1318938177 845679 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so what is BFS?
< 1318938179 661776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a patch that frandomises process boulders with a sasquash.
< 1318938185 591108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Con Kolivas' scheduler.
< 1318938203 961938 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: IO scheduler or CPU scheduler?
< 1318938209 306436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPU.
< 1318938216 296309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the Brain Fuck Scheduler that made the rounds a year or so ago.
< 1318938221 672062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For desktop use.
< 1318938233 34617 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I never had any issues with the default scheduler on my desktop. Never noticed any issues
< 1318938240 165221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ck.kolivas.org/patches/bfs/reverse-scalability.png etc.
< 1318938240 433814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't fix what isn't broken
< 1318938271 281949 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what is cfs?
< 1318938285 801766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Completely Fair Scheduler, the sole scheduler the kernel lets you use.
< 1318938290 630151 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1318938299 171876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Completely Fair in that if you have a billion CPUs it's technically "the best".)
< 1318938309 990471 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: looks like CFS is slightly better at very large -j
< 1318938325 365870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, the four point in green is lower than any red...
< 1318938351 20 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I mean at make -j12 on both for example
< 1318938353 736281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In bfs, -j is basically always optimal.
< 1318938361 190615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, but why would you run a non-optimal -j?
< 1318938362 982011 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh I thought it was with 12 cores
< 1318938366 128521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, four.
< 1318938392 950259 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway what about HT?
< 1318938402 483038 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :would -j8 be best for me then? with 4 cores + HT
< 1318938403 213360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HT = cores for scheduling.
< 1318938412 764958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just pretend you have twice the cores.
< 1318938425 407817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : [...] Took quite a bit of work to get it away from my teeth using a toothbrush. <-- So you accidentally ate glue?
< 1318938446 61392 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no. Freeze dried ice cream
< 1318938495 560254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's Vorpal's code for glue.)
< 1318938503 43934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1318938547 982659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders why literally nobody runs X/WM at high priority.

< 1318938557 872459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess bfs' isochronous priority is good there.
< 1318938590 576955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: X/WM?
< 1318938601 78429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X and WM.
< 1318938604 316980 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1318938625 429659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, resulting system does not boot.
< 1318938650 381749 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what? your vm?
< 1318938654 539867 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1318938655 167827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :vps
< 1318938656 461942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1318938657 483348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :VM.
< 1318938684 452702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why; the flags and partitioning all looks right.
< 1318938691 695219 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not the vps then
< 1318938704 539363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: which distro are you using in the vm?
< 1318938727 140385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm giving one last try of Arch in a VM before I declare it completely useless.
< 1318938764 328898 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, did you do some sort of strange setup?
< 1318938772 625294 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also what error does it give
< 1318938773 912638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :syslinux probably counts as strange.
< 1318938778 301686 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes
< 1318938780 331408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no bootable medium
< 1318938795 361210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: then don't declare arch linux useless. Declare syslinux useless
< 1318938814 704623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arch Linux is useless if it'll install an unworking configuration.
< 1318938837 499383 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it let you select syslinux in the installer?
< 1318938849 789170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yse.
< 1318938850 559883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1318938853 414040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that isn't the same as useless though. A bug yes.
< 1318938865 199566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's useless for that and everything else.
< 1318938882 791662 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be useless if there was no option that let you get a working configuration. Like it only allowed syslinux and syslinux was bugged
< 1318939052 224982 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318939106 375397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should just take the plunge and become a Slackware addict.
< 1318939116 151305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they're onto "13.37".
< 1318939242 180330 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1318939395 272730 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .
< 1318939594 89155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Convince me not to just run Tiny Core.
< 1318939596 445767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :On everything.
< 1318939616 575429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what is Tiny Core?
< 1318939680 453609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, the ten meg thing.
< 1318939686 149839 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope?
< 1318939697 676062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your brain is a sieve.
< 1318939707 629009 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly
< 1318940803 910325 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1318940857 19289 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you usually sniff glue rather than eating it?
< 1318940959 66697 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-135.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318940981 203860 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :My father once introduced me to some family friends of our relatives (who we were visiting) as "...and that glue-sniffer looking guy is my son". That was the fairest.
< 1318940995 280572 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-131.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1318941043 919432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1318941057 966434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so by "you" you mean "i"?  O KAY
< 1318941167 451543 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It was the indefinite you.
< 1318941231 701839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't trust a glue-sniffer looking guy on that.
< 1318941298 482690 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the old saying of the jungle goes: the You that can be spoken is not the eternal You.
< 1318941425 559723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laozi the king of the jungle
< 1318941455 813350 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, isn't a glue-sniffer exactly the one you'd trust when it comes to matters of whether to sniff or eat glue? He's got the experience, after all.
< 1318941484 815953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am referring to the "you"/"i" switch, here.
< 1318941652 415917 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was no switch to refer to. You just haven't got a glue.
< 1318941708 457251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure i do, and i'm sticking to it
< 1318941776 856037 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318941784 422954 :nooga!~nooga@77-254-87-233.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1318941903 794929 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Eri Keeper brand glue is in fact a Finnish product. I was wondering if they sell it in e.g. Burnchurchway.
< 1318941971 522904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Burnchurch Castle, a National Monument, is a well-preserved 15th century Norman tower house with a round gate tower, situated in County Kilkenny, Ireland."
< 1318941983 424888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no burnchurchway, though
< 1318942113 390495 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost went with "Burnchurchland", but at the last minute wanted the way of Norway in too.
< 1318942195 320230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey we have to use the nice old wooden churches for _something_
< 1318942815 364535 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318943165 236647 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that thing about Norway went over my head, what did it refer to?
< 1318943812 219322 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Varg Vikernes (Norwegian pronunciation: [ˈʋɑrɡ ˈʋiːkəɳeːs]; born 11 February 1973) is a Norwegian black metal musician, convicted murderer, arsonist, and religious, political and nationalist activist. -- Vikernes was further convicted of four counts of arson involving the burnings of historic churches, and was sentenced to 21 years in prison. Having served almost 16 years of his sentence, Vikernes was released on parole in early 2009.[3][4]"
< 1318943816 681586 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you let him walk free.
< 1318944188 345450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought Vikernes should be Finnish.
< 1318944194 55475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just seems to fit him better.
< 1318944198 575504 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :We only have copycats in our copyland.
< 1318944207 638751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're basically all murderers-in-waiting.
< 1318944212 165921 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Kalle Holm, an 18-year-old Finn known to have played drums in several Finnish metal bands, has stated on his website that he was influenced by Burzum. He set fire to the Porvoo Cathedral in Finland in May 2006: the roof of the church burned, but the ceiling, vaults and interiors survived undamaged.")
< 1318944228 938270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, he claims to have not burned any churches.
< 1318944229 473646 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Church.20060530_PM.porvoo_of_finland.ojp.jpg
< 1318944234 54700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(He admits the murder thing though.)
< 1318944240 256256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Churches are just too far.
< 1318944250 637966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What is it with your churches? They're so small.
< 1318944263 728366 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Small country, small churches.
< 1318944284 278530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm pretty sure you're a larger country than us.
< 1318944362 319783 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, land-area-wise we arere 1.256 yous. Maybe it's not the size but how you use it.
< 1318944367 84509 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arere.
< 1318944369 634823 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arererere.
< 1318944421 341385 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have one ridiculously dimensioned wooden church in the middle of ~nowhere; rumour has it they've mixed centimetres and inches in the architect -> builders step.
< 1318944422 117094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that it's mostly lakes, and the finns haven't found out how to build churches in them yet
< 1318944433 86542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Got a link?
< 1318944451 264746 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not big in absolute sense, but it's bigger than you'd expect a random wooden church in the middle of nowhere to be.
< 1318944454 849729 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll see if I can google it.
< 1318944486 422804 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerim%C3%A4ki_Church
< 1318944505 902695 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big church, small WP article.
< 1318944578 292277 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fi.wikipedia on amputation: "This medical article is a stub."
< 1318944591 661003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh, you let him walk free. <-- he's even published new music
< 1318944622 445383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: He did that from jail, too. (I read up on him once because it was interesting.)
< 1318944630 720737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe
< 1318944662 12587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He really does have the best possible face for a murderer. I mean, if you ask me.
< 1318944702 303889 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :He does seem to be contemplating murder in the Wikipedia infobox too.
< 1318944747 990114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's consult Wikipedia on this controversial issue.
< 1318944749 472141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually we're all a little racist inside, and that's normal. in fact not being a bit racist isn't normal.
< 1318944749 637392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :6resurected6satan6 1 year ago 33
< 1318944755 401545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :6resurected6satan6 weighs in.
< 1318944826 219227 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit surprised no-one has [citation needed]'d the "largest wooden church in the world" sentence, seeing it sitting there all uncited like that.
< 1318944833 157310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Your turn.
< 1318944833 303805 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ( c) a player
< 1318944837 359054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1318944841 672486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What style's it on.
< 1318944854 949345 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose its own still.
< 1318944856 41186 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1318944856 187809 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot* homestuck ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1318944970 331234 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, I need to go real soon to this "Experience Aalto!" thing downstairs, to demonstrate our group's research stuffs to first-year students. They even gave us white T-shirts with "A!" in front and "Aalto First Year Experience" in back.
< 1318944982 172799 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No-one mentioned these clown shirts when they were polling for available volunteers.
< 1318944996 90569 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1318945002 544249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: How did you get that static GHC binary onto fungot-machine again?
< 1318945002 691089 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ( that is, levinson went to kish, disappeared, had on your behalf of the commission is not allowed to use the crane, enter any two of these letters, a b y.
< 1318945007 984854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you should wear red noses just for the sarcasm
< 1318945029 246184 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have a GHC binary there?
< 1318945039 595470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You did, once, for a test.
< 1318945057 462125 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can't recall at all. But certainly if you say so.
< 1318945068 629287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You will clearly be a great help.
< 1318945085 343329 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't think I can improvise a red nose in twenty minutes.
< 1318945105 13345 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: How did you get that static GHC binary onto fungot-machine again? <-- using floppies
< 1318945105 160263 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and it's self-modifying techniques." stop immobilizes and disables you. in these bones, i shall return! by the way, the wings! now this is a way to the ocean palace? aren't they in the mood to confront vorbis there and then... this ship's gonna save the planet is hurt, are you saying?
< 1318945120 327106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual floppy kind of floppy too
< 1318945149 229441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(8-inch)
< 1318945184 95132 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had 8-inch floppies for throwing (target, not distance) at one staff christmas party here.
< 1318945204 864165 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1318945218 65370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how could you do that with valuable museum treasures!
< 1318945233 935768 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'm sure they survived just fine. They built to last those days.
< 1318945272 138817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah tutankhamon's computers were rock solid
< 1318945293 705392 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're going to get that "King Tut" song going in my head.
< 1318945299 397030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmphs.
< 1318945311 40278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will sit here stubbornly until someone solves my problem.
< 1318945319 390890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you have a problem?
< 1318945330 370145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes. My program doesn't work on my VPS.
< 1318945348 405264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried out OpenIndiana too. I expected some sort of exotic desktop environment. It just uses Gnome 2 as far as I can tell
< 1318945349 561508 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1318945355 336755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad i don't have a glue then *MWAHAHAHA*
< 1318945392 935462 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl5dZxA-rZY
< 1318945451 573580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oerjan doesn't do the sound thing.
< 1318945458 557666 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Sad.
< 1318945500 553757 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AIS-Code is on a scale of one to six, one being a minor injury and six being life-threatening. An AIS-Code of 6 is not the code for a deceased patient, but the code for an injury with a very high lethality. An AIS-Code of 9 is used to describe injuries for which not enough information is available for more detailed coding, e.g. crush injury to the head."... is this... talking about ais523?
< 1318945533 102509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also referred to as a "feather".
< 1318945553 251356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even has fucking gnu coreutils for ls
< 1318945554 592328 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on
< 1318945559 161137 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the foo have I clicked anyway, to have the WP "Abbreviated injury scale" article open? I certainly don't remember consciously opening anything like this. (Maybe there's a code for it.)
< 1318945560 681298 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is less exotic than *BSD
< 1318945627 293719 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh, it's the first A-titled article in the "Medicine stubs" category; I was checking the English text of the stub template.)
< 1318945650 203651 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay mount output is backwards
< 1318945655 404100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: oerjan doesn't do the sound thing. <-- oh, i actually did for once.
< 1318945658 238306 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ mount
< 1318945660 746425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ on rpool/ROOT/openindiana read/write/setuid/devices/dev=1810002 on tors jan  1 01:00:00 1970
< 1318945663 340667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: gozsh.
< 1318945665 981790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1318945667 136769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/z//
< 1318945684 92092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with it not being the middle of the night and stuff
< 1318945736 18772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it still feels awkward.
< 1318945808 688221 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What, no CDE?
< 1318945834 287861 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: indeed. It is plain old Gnome 2. And ls is the boring one from GNU Coreutils.
< 1318945834 936586 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's CDE in real Solaris by default either, though.
< 1318945844 94327 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Any more, that is.)
< 1318945847 844177 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh it could be there I guess but not default
< 1318945858 96797 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, downstairs.
< 1318945858 916702 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't used it for more than like 20 minutes
< 1318946012 119255 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is like cde-runtime package (not installed), and cde-utils. They seem to not be the full CDE thing with window manager and all, just whatever is needed to run CDE applications
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< 1318950434 623690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote dynamic indentation
< 1318950437 583648 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :77)  i use dynamic indentation, i indent lines k times, if they are used O(n^k) times during a run of the program
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< 1318950784 882084 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Future releases of Solaris will be based on the OpenSolaris open source project, which states that there is no plan to make the Solaris CDE "consolidation" (OS component) available as open source. -- OpenCDE, an open source project to replicate CDE, was started in early 2010. The project intends to reproduce the look and feel, organization, and feature set of CDE without using any CDE-derived code."
< 1318950793 32803 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it really isn't there in OpenSolaris either.
< 1318950805 905033 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
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< 1318951233 594659 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Away again; this time homeward bound.)
< 1318951329 513915 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I only have a partial backlog, but:)
< 1318951331 151325 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :CDE sucks horribly anyway.
< 1318951339 221127 :sadhu!~kaus_@117.201.50.156 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318951348 100585 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, XFCE was originally a clone of CDE.
< 1318951351 4149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I hear it runs ChatZilla admirably.
< 1318951353 970848 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they went "Oh wait, CDE sucks."
< 1318951362 431692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D
< 1318951391 55613 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
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< 1318952213 704311 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote (Of Minecraft:)  So basically I didn't understand what it was at all, I thought maybe you were meant to be like a worm and just sort of wriggle about underground.
< 1318952215 824035 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :703) (Of Minecraft:)  So basically I didn't understand what it was at all, I thought maybe you were meant to be like a worm and just sort of wriggle about underground.
< 1318953124 475263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318953162 846502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing that confused me a while ago: another channel discussing ZZT without automatically assuming the everyone else knew what it was
< 1318953261 824418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1318953544 332181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I just received an interesting offer via email
< 1318953555 834306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people who actually own the copyright to the final versions of two of my papers
< 1318953578 128369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have offered to serve all-rights-reserved-but-you-can-still-look-at-it copies to anyone who visits their website via a link from mine
< 1318953587 781006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. filtering by referrer
< 1318953595 366038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the catch :P
< 1318953598 991765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an interesting business model suggestion, at least
< 1318953609 863947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting ~ awful
< 1318953610 193001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: creating an account with them, for one thing
< 1318953620 250653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I'm trying to figure out how the business model works there
< 1318953624 859096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh; it's easier to get the paper by other means, then
< 1318953628 307255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'll never work
< 1318953647 638346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I suppose it might be harder finding the copies of _yours_ hanging about on the public webspace :-P
< 1318953657 993444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, the email mentioned in passing that they only have the copyright of the final version, not of drafts
< 1318953666 919033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the loophole that absolutely everyone uses (they just post the drafts on their web page)
< 1318953675 435226 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318953681 670788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :People just change like three words before actually submitting it to make that work, right?
< 1318953689 282486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so presumably they're trying to get things like usage statistics in the situation where people would otherwise check drafts
< 1318953691 939150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be annoying if there was a risk of actual substantial changes
< 1318953697 49514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not even that, they put "this space is reserved for the copyright notice"
< 1318953700 667802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1318953705 288567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the publisher removes that when putting the copyright notice in
< 1318953707 262277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a change
< 1318953718 560407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :academic publishing is the most insane business model I've ever heard of
< 1318953776 522134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my guess is, they decided that it wasn't losing them any money if they got to serve people final versions who would otherwise look at the drafts
< 1318953844 821903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because it's all opt-in by the author, the only people likely to opt in are those who'd put drafts on their homepage anyway
< 1318953875 971425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've linked my latest paper to the channel, anyway; it's about compiling recursion into hardware
< 1318953880 255598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably harmless, but I don't know that I'd want to support such a silly business model
< 1318953890 956126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'd read it (and pretend to understand it)
< 1318953908 746182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~drg/papers/icfp11.pdf
< 1318953913 561144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same ICFP who do the contest, incidentally
< 1318953922 253256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would not expect otherwise
< 1318953936 252899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's not computer modern :'(
< 1318953943 675400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok, I don't like computer modern, but times is worse)
< 1318953945 979751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it?
< 1318953947 462761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks

< 1318953951 405071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least the times on here)
< 1318953980 966237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right, it looks like some Times variant
< 1318953998 918702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unfolding finite recursion in space"
< 1318954005 112465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed opportunity for excellent title, there
< 1318954011 380590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't write the formatting, nor even much of the text; just the content in the only new section (which is about unfolding recursion in time)
< 1318954027 366256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically a TARDIS, right/
< 1318954030 996021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest is just summaries of previous results to pad out space, and because there's a crazy rule that all the context for a paper has to be explained in the paper itself
< 1318954042 685408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, unfortunately
< 1318954060 675807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would not expect ais523 to be the kind of person to say "unfortunately" to time travel being impossible irl

< 1318954094 664615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1318954105 207998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: gcc four point oh?
< 1318954108 340638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even OS X isn't /that/ bad
< 1318954115 794292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was indeed on OS X
< 1318954118 572112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea which version
< 1318954121 55709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :leopard
< 1318954124 997594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why such an old compiler?
< 1318954139 240341 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, OpenSolaris: gcc (GCC) 3.4.3 (csl-sol210-3_4-20050802)
< 1318954142 625987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just did gcc --version
< 1318954149 744368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it's as old as NetHack!
< 1318954151 33580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Nice
< 1318954158 308571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: NetHack released in ohfive???
< 1318954167 704120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, NetHack released in 3.4.3
< 1318954168 241658 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, but it's 3.4.3
< 1318954170 566447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
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< 1318954201 196335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a way to link your kernel into an executable too
< 1318954205 810401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that static linking would actually solve my problem
< 1318954220 499508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: static VM?
< 1318954220 684227 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your problem
< 1318954242 804805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: My Haskell binary doesn't work on my server, it just hangs at startup doing tons of realtime/clock calls and occasionally mmap
< 1318954251 693062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like something's fucked in the event manager; I've no idea what or why or how to fix
< 1318954258 174496 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1318954259 496086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, exactly
< 1318954287 695049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, that reminds me of some insane code I wrote recently
< 1318954297 430516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1318954303 508424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, it's C
< 1318954306 453224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1318954310 61177 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D
< 1318954347 920507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll remove the explanatory comments so you get the full effect
< 1318954351 888415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1318954398 349774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ void* allocforcer[100]; int i; for (i = 0; i < 100; i++) { allocforcer[i] = malloc(64000); } for (i = 0; i < 99; i++) { free(allocforcer[i]); } }
< 1318954408 690202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 100 is a reasonably arbitrary number; the 64000 isn't
< 1318954422 227123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i
< 1318954425 703457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, they should both have been #defines but I was being lazy
< 1318954439 381895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: something about forcing pages to be reserved or filled or something?
< 1318954448 439708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :close, but not perfect
< 1318954452 395604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :notice the memory leak, it's deliberate
< 1318954453 383086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: disk sectors?
< 1318954455 93997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1318954462 276344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is it so you can overrun the buffer somehow?
< 1318954468 33470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1318954474 465856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1318954480 973229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, clue: think about the system calls involved
< 1318954491 518018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION isn't sure he wants to...

< 1318954492 171547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1318954502 215378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: trying to cause an overflow of some kind?
< 1318954510 633839 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They depend on the system / libc
< 1318954517 857524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, but you're thinking more along the right lines
< 1318954520 985829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: indeed; Linux / glibc
< 1318954535 132145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1318954551 172960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is portable to most other systems and libcs, though, even if perhaps the exact numbers aren't
< 1318954558 911660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is it about corrupting or otherwise modifying for a purpose in a non-standard way internal structures of the allocator?
< 1318954570 620589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., arranging them specifically?
< 1318954575 565544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of
< 1318954583 221238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not about corrupting, the resulting situation is not corrupt at all
< 1318954589 34406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is modifying for a purpose, though
< 1318954593 24978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the purpose is related to syscalls
< 1318954608 779714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(incidentally, this has nothing to do with the Secret Project, although it /looks/ like it)
< 1318954609 340455 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Changing the program break?
< 1318954613 734540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yep
< 1318954617 190272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you figure out why?
< 1318954621 284718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i, err, sbrk?
< 1318954640 512647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK, what the code's doing is to get malloc to call sbrk at a particular location
< 1318954660 556849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the memory leak at the end is so that it won't give back allocated memory to the system, which it could do otherwise (I'm not sure if it actually /did/, but that way's clearer)
< 1318954663 725708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes
< 1318954680 475865 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why do you do want to do that
< 1318954682 931289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's freeing most of the memory between the break and the old end of the heap
< 1318954686 889994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that's the question
< 1318954690 341457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you give up, I'll tell you
< 1318954704 594895 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave up, maybe elliott didn't
< 1318954708 826182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i give up
< 1318954709 651827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also
< 1318954710 475113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cry
< 1318954711 133906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit
< 1318954742 946093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason, is so that future memory allocations /don't/ call sbrk
< 1318954746 238539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :until memory fills to a certain size
< 1318954749 531447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1318954750 358572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1318954751 350415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :speed?
< 1318954754 150729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :security
< 1318954756 961519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1318954765 185519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's immediately followed by the prctl that disables all but four syscalls
< 1318954770 784115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1318954785 117012 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brk is not one of those four
< 1318954795 816907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so /without/ doing that, the resulting code wouldn't be able to allocate any memory
< 1318954803 562944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then using too much memory kills the program?
< 1318954807 180712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1318954808 825690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why couldn't you just use brk before doing it?
< 1318954814 931137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because malloc wouldn't know I'd done that
< 1318954825 751727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, the reason "why 64000" is that at 65536, glibc malloc starts using mmap instead
< 1318954883 420935 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318954889 504016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1318954892 249386 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1318954901 442242 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wiki spam
< 1318954924 592355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise I'd just use a big alloc then a small one
< 1318954926 60620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: thanks
< 1318954947 835601 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're welcome!
< 1318954956 799189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and deleted
< 1318954969 762873 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a page as well?
< 1318954996 735307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I missed one page
< 1318955001 353913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it wasn't in RSS yet
< 1318955282 924900 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what's up in the world of esoteric programming?
< 1318955308 511531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing
< 1318955315 980574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent today writing a pointless report, but it's motivated me to work on Anarchy
< 1318955327 234111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I can hardly even remember how it's meant to work, now, luckily I wrote a partial spec that might remind me
< 1318955557 368623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :theory: ais523 is actually ireland
< 1318955568 596698 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Republic or Northern>?
< 1318955581 97264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably the physical island
< 1318955587 376815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which includes both
< 1318955588 860490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whichever one PH has gone to
< 1318955598 86944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only makes sense that when PH disappears, ais523 appears
< 1318955648 305576 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made marshmallows!
< 1318955682 365534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1318955993 277053 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's someone in my ancient history class's birthday today
< 1318956007 246656 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean tomorrow
< 1318956012 678625 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am confused and tired
< 1318956232 597781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : For the enthusiast who wants to run older operating systems, the option is there to allow you to make that decision.
< 1318956248 406962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two levels of indirection are necessary, incidentally; "you are allowed to make that decision" is not necessarily true
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< 1318958091 209406 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1318958170 311142 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318958187 735239 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesterday at the night time, I put the tides in my gopher service.
< 1318958594 234200 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318958649 448309 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1318958749 142677 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like tides on my gopher service?
< 1318959147 212437 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure I see the point
< 1318959157 413336 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure what a gopher service is
< 1318959186 321947 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is on my computer on port 70
< 1318959535 631115 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1318959565 125852 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like somebody already found an exploit;
< 1318959679 905406 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1318959689 890325 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't me
< 1318959693 394922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: wfm
< 1318959789 696998 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318959857 494421 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: one moment while I look up your insane acronyms.
< 1318959868 631463 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1318959899 57003 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes okay I will wait for you. :P
< 1318959910 424822 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will wait for you while I Work From Home.
< 1318959931 700079 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a Workflow Manager in the World Federalist Movement.
< 1318959937 855197 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, What Freakin' Manual?
< 1318959950 943054 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Fucking
< 1318959979 798548 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever I'm going to the Whole Foods Market.
< 1318959987 997835 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I doubt they sell a Waveform Monitor.
< 1318960006 131316 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It updates Wednesday-Friday-Monday
< 1318960330 348523 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs to talk to the Workforce Management of the Western Federation of Miners about claims made by the Wings of Faith Ministries of the World Faith Movement that we have been interferring with their radio station via illegal use of Wide Frequency Modulation.

< 1318960390 88627 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I suspect it was "works for me"
< 1318960399 251151 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh...?
< 1318960401 316111 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :works for me.
< 1318960417 947154 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: wfm most often means "works for me" when elliott says it I found.
< 1318960698 574392 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes
< 1318960709 654417 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the first choice on this website I found....
< 1318960716 864054 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, I figured, too obvious.
< 1318960720 316091 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be one of these other things.
< 1318960728 570654 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318960876 935348 :sadhu!~kaus_@117.201.50.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just coded a rough string to brainfuck converter
< 1318960886 843065 :sadhu!~kaus_@117.201.50.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its pretty simple but it can do some optimizations
< 1318960886 995477 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "string" a language?
< 1318960894 455160 :sadhu!~kaus_@117.201.50.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol no
< 1318960900 917277 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you wrote a brainfuck interpreter?
< 1318960923 322681 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, a text to brainfuck converter
< 1318960924 633568 :sadhu!~kaus_@117.201.50.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you input the string and it generates the brainfuck code to print it
< 1318960934 488582 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh
< 1318960935 656784 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right.
< 1318960941 293020 :sadhu!~kaus_@117.201.50.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/cf21d4abee8853ceb9e3
< 1318961037 982026 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow Uncyclopedia is so bad.
< 1318961108 440408 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the collective humor of hundreds of people who have a terrible sense of humor
< 1318961128 802557 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :many of them probably Wikipedia editors, or people who pretend to be wikipedia editors (....?)
< 1318961195 473265 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318961905 851094 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_cuisine
< 1318961909 583020 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha frito pie
< 1318961911 669813 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had one of those.
< 1318961928 461231 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :frito, as in potato chips?
< 1318961953 920751 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :corn chips, but yes
< 1318961983 275519 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frito pie is a dish made with chili, cheese, and corn chips. Optional additions include salsa, refried beans, rice, and jalapeños, among others.
< 1318962004 12002 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, this kind of pie!
< 1318962007 426548 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds delicious.
< 1318962011 300566 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :America is the best at food.
< 1318962049 263623 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just take everyone elses food and mix it together with our own shit.
< 1318962184 590356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, GHC totally needs a way to force a thread to execute some code.
< 1318962210 541405 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had an idea for a programming language
< 1318962215 481570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I bet I can do this with alwaysSuceeds.
< 1318962216 472737 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric, that is
< 1318962219 610023 :sadhu!~kaus_@117.201.50.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is this yours https://github.com/ehird ?
< 1318962226 349093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's me
< 1318962231 131414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird forked waferbaby/usesthis 1 day ago
< 1318962231 293514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forked repository is at ehird/usesthis
< 1318962231 947548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf?
< 1318962234 432655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never did that
< 1318962240 685971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION deletes...

< 1318962280 39620 :sadhu!~kaus_@117.201.50.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott did you checkout that str2bf
< 1318962288 651285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it looks better than bf_txtgen :P
< 1318962293 855108 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, my idea for a new esolang
< 1318962309 659908 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An imperative language with ONLY functional features
< 1318962327 580605 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably been done before
< 1318962370 95745 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8AEAC.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318962386 698259 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Lisp?
< 1318962386 965591 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In pseudo javascript:
< 1318962415 105802 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :var x = function(x) {function(y) {x}};
< 1318962494 780098 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, imagine python with only lambdas and variable assignations
< 1318962494 945416 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe input and print, too
< 1318962517 685703 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here clueful with gnuplot ?
< 1318962520 643632 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a file that likes like this        testname | ind_var | old dp1 | old dp2  | new dp1 | new dp2    I want to have 2 separate plots. one per datapoint. Each plot should show the change in the dp from version A to version B with a line for each testname
< 1318962533 521251 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some variation thereof
< 1318963023 790413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actually, imagine python with only lambdas and variable assignations <-- have you seen that irc bot elliott wrote using lots of nested lambdas in python in order to make a non-trivial python program that would work without indentation
< 1318963035 466307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol wrote a bf interp like that, it's not uncommon
< 1318963051 311129 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I haven't seen that one
< 1318963088 643008 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyone here clueful with gnuplot ? <-- try fizzie. He knew when I asked some gnuplot questions a while ago
< 1318963113 808995 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1318963124 902318 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I  now have a file that more closely aligns with what I want to plot
< 1318963163 675675 :sadhu!~kaus_@117.201.50.30 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1318963198 608035 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. What's ind_var?
< 1318963363 989351 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: independent varibale
< 1318963389 599138 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in my case, the size of branch prediction table for a simulator)
< 1318963430 514902 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: my file now looks like  testname | ind_var  | y_plot_1 | y_plot_2
< 1318963460 821196 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. With a new enough (4.x, should be everywhere by now) I think you just mostly need a suitable "using" specifier. You probably could've done it from the original file with two 'using' lines, actually.
< 1318963472 206439 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm?
< 1318963484 907801 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is not gnuplot clueful

< 1318963581 505858 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I need to test it before I say something that's probably not immediately correct.
< 1318963590 970953 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how do you want to indicate the differences?
< 1318963601 400134 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the y cord.
< 1318963604 384396 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :* y axid
< 1318963606 745554 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :* y axis
< 1318963637 64264 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but do you want for each test an arrow from the old value to the new one or what?
< 1318963637 214147 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: got a link to that "Nix"? Searching is useless, just turns up matches for people writing *nix
< 1318963645 838964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nixos.org/
< 1318963648 468717 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1318963648 615417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NixOS is the thing to google.
< 1318963653 8403 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1318963667 413978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers rolling NixOS + nilfs.

< 1318963669 652790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no obvious download link. Heh.
< 1318963670 412443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ON THE EEEEDGE.
< 1318963683 710450 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there
< 1318963730 921226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, it is gentoo stage3 kind of thing to install
< 1318963736 591310 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not quite
< 1318963740 730884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, it's binary-based.
< 1318963742 230342 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots and lots of manual commands though
< 1318963749 504390 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or the difference between the old and new as a signed value indicated by the point?)
< 1318963768 729955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Doesn't look that bad to me.
< 1318963773 293001 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah but I meant as in, no installer (GUI or ncurses or even the openbsd style of asking questions)
< 1318963776 307513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "partition, run a few Nix commands, rbeoot".
< 1318963779 268971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/rbe/reb/
< 1318963805 795460 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NO2_Arrhenius_k_against_T.svg something like this
< 1318963817 532895 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :where X = size of branch table
< 1318963831 903315 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :y =  new  - old
< 1318963834 627449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I like how it has special instructions for Pidgin-LaTeX in the manual.
< 1318963835 663062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Priorities.
< 1318963840 1268 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: any idea for funky OSes to try out? I did OpenIndiana earlier. Looking for something else. NixOS looks like a bit too much work for just messing around with it in a VM.
< 1318963865 84033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Tiny Core is quite fun in a VM, at least, especially with its funky package mounting system.
< 1318963884 261476 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ReactOS ?
< 1318963895 55989 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: ew
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< 1318963904 491997 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: :)
< 1318963915 979680 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh? package mounting? Hm... Web search turns up github and so on. No obvious place to download an ISO
< 1318963928 540271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :google gives http://tinycorelinux.com/ as first link
< 1318963936 35877 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: was using DDG
< 1318963947 900643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't bothered to set ddg on this new install yet
< 1318963951 874523 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1318963973 363317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, a ten meg bootable Xorg system + graphical package manager is impressive in anyone's book
< 1318963973 735466 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I've got to run now, but I'll read what you write later.  Any help you could give me would be great !
< 1318963981 797717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though flinix of course wants to do it in one and a half.
< 1318964016 467826 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Uhh, right, okay; so you want a line in the plot for each different 'testname', and the ind_var gives the X value. Okay. I was misinterpreting that you wanted a line i.e. an entry for each 'testname' labeled by the 'testname', indicating a single change. Mhm. That may need some manual pre-splitting so that the lines corresponding to each 'testname' have two empty lines in-between, but not necessarily. I'll try this out, will take a while.
< 1318964036 707445 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no mesa I presume?
< 1318964050 525474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, everything's in a package. :p
< 1318964060 926766 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so how do packages work in there?
< 1318964101 421338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Mounted into /tmp/some/path/i/forget which gets overlaid onto the rest of the system in a way I forget
< 1318964106 303428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1318964109 186100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Mounted loopback from the tarball
< 1318964115 774545 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are there many packages available?
< 1318964119 867823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shitloads
< 1318964125 475729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has all of KDE, etc.
< 1318964140 406799 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1318964143 774832 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :xfce too I hope
< 1318964151 560778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was an example for size.
< 1318964157 927594 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hm which one: TinyCore | MicroCore | MultiCore
< 1318964182 315437 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where are the 64-bit downloads?
< 1318964193 296544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Middle one doesn't have any kind of X at all.
< 1318964196 244854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :multicore is some kind of bundle thing.
< 1318964209 215430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1318964216 17586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it apparently supports sixty-four bit says WP, but I dunno how.
< 1318964229 294846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/4.x/
< 1318964232 266845 :Nisstyre!~yours@infocalypse-net.info JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318964236 538078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shrug.
< 1318964246 273030 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1318964274 963764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just get the thirty-two bit one, YAGN that ram :P
< 1318964291 340993 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ibiblio is so slow. I get 20 kb/s from it, as usual
< 1318964309 499871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/7ca54bb4dd52eef1ecd02ebd1f481d04.png
< 1318964312 465613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good timeline.
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< 1318964358 485480 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was going to assign 6 GB and 2 cores to the vm. Virtualbox is more efficient for 64-bit guests according to the docs
< 1318964370 498403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Six gigs of what
< 1318964373 963306 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ram?
< 1318964378 835922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, it's Tiny
< 1318964393 473938 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, why not? I still have 10 for the host
< 1318964404 734524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it'll only see four of it?
< 1318964405 234226 :Nisstyre!~yours@infocalypse-net.info JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318964412 801259 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah fuck the 32-bitness
< 1318964417 237678 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway there is PAE
< 1318964424 869601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you quite understand how Tiny the Tiny part of Tiny Core is
< 1318964440 453604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that was disk space, not ram ?
< 1318964447 325189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's everything.
< 1318964452 432373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would practically run on a toaster.
< 1318964541 251869 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so would ubuntu if you equipped the toaster with 10GB of storage and >=1GB of RAM
< 1318964611 602313 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could almost run Windows Vista
< 1318964743 831383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atomically :: STM a -> IO a
< 1318964744 17013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atomically (STM m) = IO (\s -> (atomically# m) s )
< 1318964746 137708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck primitives
< 1318964809 246010 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://hpaste.org/52806
< 1318964813 368394 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it cute!?
< 1318964829 270207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Totally
< 1318964853 235023 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah keymap
< 1318964870 411627 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318964897 85548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  old_trec = StgTSO_trec(CurrentTSO);
< 1318964897 422913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  /* Nested transactions are not allowed; raise an exception */
< 1318964897 569626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  if (old_trec != NO_TREC) {
< 1318964897 569808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :     R1 = base_ControlziExceptionziBase_nestedAtomically_closure;
< 1318964897 569918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :     jump stg_raisezh;
< 1318964898 246493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  }
< 1318964901 141922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why you gotta be so unoverridable
< 1318964920 997186 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Really, why are you trying to do that?
< 1318964935 159288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: SHHHHHHHHH I know it's safe because it's right at the end of the transaction.
< 1318964937 149115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a tail-call.
< 1318965034 889392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK fine, here's a clue:
< 1318965035 879904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  go <- newEmptyTMVar
< 1318965036 44512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  alwaysSucceeds $ takeTMVar go >> unsafeIOToSTM act
< 1318965036 191408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  putTMVar go ()
< 1318965098 372444 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: tiny core is not an option unless I can get the correct keymap in the installer. Too painful otherwise
< 1318965111 194371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Why are you installing it?
< 1318965112 511897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It runs from rAM.
< 1318965113 537508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAM.
< 1318965118 674627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a keymap setter built in to the preferences thing.
< 1318965131 784529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: looked in the control panel, I see no keymap optionj
< 1318965133 583244 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :option*
< 1318965168 801453 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: besides running it from a CD such changes such as setting keymap won't persist
< 1318965171 527781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure there is, but you could just tell X about it directly
< 1318965205 596745 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: It is awfully tricky to get multiple lines (with different titles) using only a single plot specifier. You almost get it if you separate the datasets (in your case, different testnames) with two newlines and then plot the complete file, but in that case all the lines end up in the same style. It is trivial if you don't mind doing "plot 'blah.data' ... index 0, 'blah.data' ... index 1, ..." with one command per each line, but that requires either fixin
< 1318965205 743414 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :g the number of lines, or generating the plotscript along with the data. Here's an example of what that might look like: http://p.zem.fi/meud
< 1318965207 898327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: See, you should be helping me now.
< 1318965221 507077 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: As a matter of fact, I don't see.
< 1318965233 588166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Poor you.
< 1318965280 986743 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: That will plot one line titled "foobar" with points at x=1, y=(1-0)=1 and x=2, y=(3-0)=3; and another line with x=1, y=(3-0)=3 and x=2, y=(5-0)=5. There's a host of twiddleable settings to control the style of the output further.
< 1318965368 471334 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: As for the other plot, just turn ($4-$2) into ($5-$3). But I don't know offhand of a way to automatically get all indexes (i.e. datasets) of a datafile as actually separate series with different styles, without repeating the (essentially identical, except for the index number) plot specifier. Which is quite stupef. Possibly there is a thing for that too.
< 1318965380 134328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The real real answer is that I'm trying to implement onCommit :: IO () -> STM ().
< 1318965396 896600 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: If you just don't specify "index" at all, it'll plot them all as separate lines just fine, but all the lines will be with the same color and have just one title.
< 1318965471 425869 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Isn't there already an implementation of onCommit?
< 1318965481 888357 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle onCommit
< 1318965482 293827 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found
< 1318965487 179188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, in another monad.
< 1318965493 622456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm making one that works directly without any changes.
< 1318965507 729595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I already have one that works perfectly except you need to s/atomically/atomicallyIO/.
< 1318965515 982707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Now I have one that works perfectly full stop, except you can't run a transaction from it.
< 1318965567 354379 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically you want a kind of transaction finalizer :P
< 1318965574 717205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep :P
< 1318965575 396719 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Okay, you can get the lines in a different style automatically too, but not multiple entries in the legend/key/whatever you call it.
< 1318965579 198779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kind of what onCommit is.
< 1318965697 232904 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :molecularily
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< 1318965831 741661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION discovered this by trying let m = atomically (onCommit m)

< 1318965837 332061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best transaction
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< 1318966275 847238 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't find any onCommit in the stm package?
< 1318966306 847747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: duh, that's why I'm implementing it
< 1318966310 808816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :onCommit :: IO () -> STM ()
< 1318966311 19980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :onCommit act = do
< 1318966311 166868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  go <- newEmptyTMVar
< 1318966311 167045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  alwaysSucceeds $ takeTMVar go >> unsafeIOToSTM act
< 1318966311 167154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  putTMVar go ()
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< 1318966535 694981 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does alwaysSucceeds do?
< 1318966575 642068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: alwaysSucceeds :: STM a -> STM ()
< 1318966575 825608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alwaysSucceeds adds a new invariant that must be true when passed to alwaysSucceeds, at the end of the current transaction, and at the end of every subsequent transaction. If it fails at any of those points then the transaction violating it is aborted and the exception raised by the invariant is propagated.
< 1318966580 296662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"true" here meaning "doesn't throw an exception"
< 1318966592 497574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use it as a hook to be able to execute things at the end of the transaction :)
< 1318966594 888449 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i already read that, i'm asking because i have no idea what it means
< 1318966604 42808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the TMVar is to avoid it executing when passed to alwaysSucceeds and at the end of future transactions
< 1318966611 63212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well how do you want me to explain, the above precisely defines its semantics
< 1318966614 704660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just not intuitive
< 1318966629 268230 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what is an invariant?
< 1318966635 930805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: an action
< 1318966656 206346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it just means that the action is run when passed to alwaysSucceeds, at the end of the current transaction, and at the end of any subsequent transaction
< 1318966659 994285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if it fails, the transaction fails
< 1318966675 217484 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1318966688 888039 :ive!~nn@189.179.247.113 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318966696 506010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so in this case, I use a TMVar to make sure it just does nothing when passed to alwaysSucceeds (first execution), then executes when the transaction finishes (second execution), then never again :)
< 1318966707 368432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there might be a race condition, I think not since it's part of the same atomically block
< 1318966713 469392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. another transaction ending first)
< 1318966720 230343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I think the adding of these is atomic too, so it should be fine)
< 1318966747 304292 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, (t<<3)*[8/9,1,9/8,6/5,4/3,3/2,0][[0xd2d2c8,0xce4088,0xca32c8,0x8e4009][t>>14&3]>>(0x3dbe4688>>((t>>10&15)>9?18:t>>10&15)*3&7)*3&7]
< 1318966754 317679 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked this one
< 1318966762 940000 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-21-30.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o
< 1318966766 514234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: :slowpoke:
< 1318966766 820881 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-21-30.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, how do you run those?
< 1318966776 271431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: Would you stop saying o.o all the time it is worse than Madoka-Kaname's one-line pings.
< 1318966776 716976 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, =p
< 1318966789 944490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is like a never-ending torrent of suffering delivered in lines.
< 1318966796 595255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suffering and pain.
< 1318966803 491133 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-21-30.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wha?
< 1318966805 326976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: That one is a total cheat, it's basically just doing sequencing.
< 1318966813 406557 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah, I know.
< 1318966832 72064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the Kolgomorov complexity of Axel F is. (Inspired by rgb.swf.)
< 1318966833 888207 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hugs tiffany 

< 1318966834 45731 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um doesn't takeTMVar prevent the action from succeeding until there's actually a value in it?
< 1318966842 491120 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-21-30.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I run those thingies?
< 1318966848 164670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm right
< 1318966850 644733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, it works :D
< 1318966860 900944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: http://www.bemmu.com/music/index.html
< 1318966876 967371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rgb.swf is really pretty
< 1318966882 449667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel so sorry for epileptics who can't enjoy it
< 1318966882 861678 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not as much of a cheat as my that IIR resonator. :p
< 1318966910 991538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: As my that IIR resonator?
< 1318966920 669556 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Line-editing gone wrong.
< 1318966934 809282 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's a rick roll =p
< 1318966940 105573 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : It is like a never-ending torrent of suffering delivered in lines. <-- you mean no other downloaders, so you never get to a decent share ratio once it downloaded?
< 1318966941 42903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: No shit.
< 1318966954 392208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're pinged by o.o?
< 1318966964 579996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: If by "ping" you mean "annoyed", yes. :p
< 1318966975 950364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I looked at rgb.swf and now every other colour seems dull.
< 1318966980 822065 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-21-30.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.-.
< 1318967016 259604 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If by "ping" you mean "annoyed", we can deduce you are "annoyeded" by o.o.
< 1318967025 372675 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-21-30.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION searches on duckduckgo

< 1318967025 987250 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-21-30.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://throbs.net/fun/swf.asp?rgb.swf
< 1318967031 364554 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-21-30.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how am I not having a seizure from this x_x
< 1318967038 432221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Heavy epilepsy warning on the above.)
< 1318967068 18481 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-21-30.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my eyes hurt now
< 1318967077 479661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, it actually does oversatuate your eyes.
< 1318967080 450081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is actually greyish now.
< 1318967083 579424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This can only be healthy.
< 1318967084 709536 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : tiffany: http://www.bemmu.com/music/index.html <-- what is the algorithm?
< 1318967087 219794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wikispam
< 1318967096 121740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there is no "algorithm", it just samples it
< 1318967114 182688 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: samples *what*. What does your expression generate?
< 1318967128 868122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oom to use your free herpes dating sites.
< 1318967129 136143 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it looks like a lot of bitshifting and some arcane syntax I have no clue about to me
< 1318967142 241241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal pcm
< 1318967153 719502 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arcane syntax called array indexing, isn't it?
< 1318967154 573611 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: okay so what is the syntax. I can't find any description on the page
< 1318967161 946191 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Javascript.
< 1318967166 101978 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1318967166 710624 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i guess someone _has_ to have that as a fetish
< 1318967173 350249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this spambot is just taking hypothesized Google searches for "dating" without wondering what they actually mean, then clipping them off at random locations
< 1318967175 506770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtQdIYUtAHg for complete programs pipeable to /dev/audio
< 1318967187 129919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the article titles are big giveaways that that's what's happening
< 1318967189 864722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the super-duper version
< 1318967190 195468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCRPUv8V22o
< 1318967200 751185 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1318967212 483706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that spambot is capable of solving the CAPTCHA, incidentally
< 1318967226 644351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not surprising as it's a very easy CAPTCHA, but it does mean it's targeting MediaWiki specifically
< 1318967231 217138 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Note that viznut is a .fi person too. COINCIDENCE?
< 1318967237 214098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, it's the demoscene.
< 1318967250 255362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That "Covers Chaos Theory by Conspiracy" one is disappointingly lookup-tabley.
< 1318967250 821185 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not an exclusively Finnish phenomononomon.
< 1318967259 226007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes but come on, you're fooling nobody.
< 1318967260 582447 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :viz. a nut
< 1318967300 815656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That two-one-six one is very impressive, with the evolving beat.
< 1318967334 248622 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish pheromenons
< 1318967338 826209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the one at a bit before seven minutes.
< 1318967352 150248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh so there is an implicit loop around the expression you enter on that page. It wasn't clear
< 1318967385 669571 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's clear from the example expression in there that it uses 't' for time.
< 1318967397 171490 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was wondering what t
< 1318967400 180993 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :t was*
< 1318967466 405712 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm any way to generate sine waves?
< 1318967471 113971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :without too much work
< 1318967473 355116 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, with "sin".
< 1318967477 796572 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It autorewrites that to Math.sin.
< 1318967485 46076 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well yeah I was wondering if that was available in some shape or form
< 1318967523 755962 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I splonked in an IIR resonator with what amounts to basically code injection earlier: (someone said it didn't work; but it worked for me; might not be quite legal JS therefore)
< 1318967525 88699 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :128+600*r5(r4(r3(r2(r1(rg((t%40)==0?1:0)))))); }; var r1=r(710,50),r2=r(1100,70),r3=r(2450,110),r4=r(3300,250),r5=r(3750,200),rg=r(0,500); function r(F,BW) { var Z=8000,B=2*Math.exp(-3.14*BW/Z)*cos(2*3.14*F/Z),C=-Math.exp(-2*3.14*BW/Z),p1=0,p2=0; return function(x) { var p=(1-B-C)*x+B*p1+C*p2; p2=p1; p1=p; return p; };
< 1318967532 745812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :issue: pausing the sound playing in the web browser is kind of broken
< 1318967536 306542 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, does nothinmg
< 1318967539 7620 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing*
< 1318967539 209132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wfm
< 1318967542 782495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: firefox?
< 1318967545 799566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrome
< 1318967556 802586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: How... pleasing-sounding.
< 1318967569 170156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can we do dubstep yet? We need to ruin it.
< 1318967594 789521 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, it's a fixed-frequency pulse train through a cascade of resonators; it'd be more interesting with some LFO on the filter parameters.
< 1318967613 714266 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-21-30.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION generates 5 minutes of one of these :p

< 1318967624 60161 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also at work with FF it actually started to play two copies at the same time when I ran it; then pausing actually only paused one of them.
< 1318967633 534962 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's just 30 seconds.
< 1318967649 815487 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318967654 150237 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1318967669 219776 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes but your one was horrible. And the two copies explain it
< 1318967673 680881 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome
< 1318967678 970830 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1318967696 361039 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I just found out about those awesome isoteric languages. Which are some of the best?
< 1318967706 953411 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-21-30.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my harddrive is making noises ._.
< 1318967710 214333 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric*
< 1318967723 947326 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all a matter of opinion
< 1318967732 118111 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :HDD make noises. I would get worried if it didn't.
< 1318967733 419988 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Piet
< 1318967754 389310 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funge-98 is widely recognized as the most useful language for IRC bot writing there is.
< 1318967754 553535 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: so is mine sometimes. Very faint ones due to the rubber rings between the disk and the metal plates on the side of the disk bay.
< 1318967757 432524 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer some like Befunge-93 and the likes, or a cellular automata one.
< 1318967763 540794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :citiral: My hard-drive doesn't make noises.
< 1318967764 612149 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlambda, underload
< 1318967766 833152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Say hi to citiral.
< 1318967767 18178 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: to, uhhh.... or even this very difficult issue is discussed, it should be deleted, not merged. but new england flood of may, 1765, curwen's only child, it's ancient history now...
< 1318967769 660593 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you have an SSD...
< 1318967772 307029 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you like Befunge:
< 1318967773 482513 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1318967773 629059 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98
< 1318967773 776576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it doesn't
< 1318967774 20811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1318967774 167697 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98
< 1318967777 312322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1318967777 476577 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98
< 1318967779 804271 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Great minds and so on.
< 1318967801 157350 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-21-30.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this music generator must be making firefox use a ridiculous amount of ram :/
< 1318967801 599996 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is a bot?
< 1318967801 746898 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :citiral: " and this is a new game. there is no particularly good human translation for this concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, savage thrust of her was certain that the noise was as a distress signal is
< 1318967807 785197 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :citiral: yes
< 1318967814 35707 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :citiral: written in an esolang
< 1318967816 452216 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungot, I LOVE YOU! :D
< 1318967827 77286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't respond to people who miscapitalise it.
< 1318967827 378818 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, he's case-sensitive.
< 1318967833 116062 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Befunge-98 someone said?
< 1318967835 678020 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1318967839 745814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98
< 1318967839 925660 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just to help an fnord archive) this song " there had been a gorgeous sunset, and judged it was a million or ten million or ten million or ten million or ten million or ten million or ten million or ten million or ten million or ten million or ten million or ten million or ten million or ten million or ten million or ten million or ten million or ten million or ten million or ten million or ten million or ten million or
< 1318967843 207282 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta check that one out.
< 1318967846 271258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :guh
< 1318967849 932050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1318967850 78871 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot* homestuck ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1318967852 603558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc
< 1318967852 750305 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams)
< 1318967858 377044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Impress citiral.
< 1318967859 247859 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ' fnord tulee fnord " hyv�� fnord" ja fnord fnord. kun fnord, muista fnord fnord ulos.
< 1318967863 820611 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha.
< 1318967868 320259 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the worst.
< 1318967872 682636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that...
< 1318967873 390223 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Shame on you.
< 1318967874 417138 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fnord right, then. the mere existence of win32 is a crime called copyright crime. so maybe that won't be there in 1.11.x, sisc supports srfi-55, aka require-extension, which loads as fast as c
< 1318967881 952034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the mere existence of win32 is a crime called copyright crime."
< 1318967882 998962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Classic.
< 1318967887 693516 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :citiral: it uses some fingerprints for networking and such (fingerprints are loadable extensions the interpreter provides, iirc fungot uses SOCK, STRN, FING and TOYS)
< 1318967887 997031 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you could say that, but if you do...
< 1318967889 711646 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-21-30.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1318967899 647137 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lolled too at that one.
< 1318967905 152557 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-21-30.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay yeah killing firefox
< 1318967908 619928 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-21-30.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if terminal would open
< 1318967927 329143 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, SCKE too
< 1318967927 657550 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It was a bit of Finnish again; here's a translation: ' fnord comes fnord " good fnord" and fnord fnord. when fnord, remember fnord fnord out.
< 1318967932 985571 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-21-30.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff just opened with an unresponsive script: Script: resource://gre/modules/XPCOMUtils.jsm:329
< 1318967933 763885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :citiral: I concur with oerjan's nomination of Underload
< 1318967968 25207 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hm "out". Why am I reminded of radio communications here XD
< 1318967975 474895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "hi citral" >foo; cat foo; rm foo
< 1318967977 324044 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi citral
< 1318967992 151244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("hi citral\n");
< 1318967997 343087 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: replace the "fnord" with static and it sounds like a vital message that was jammed or something, and a key plot point in a movie
< 1318968006 513114 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't think the Finnish word is used in that context though. It's more strictly "out" as in "exit from some place".
< 1318968010 437189 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((Underload rocks)!a(:^)*S):^
< 1318968010 583852 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :((Underload rocks)!a(:^)*S):^
< 1318968011 963925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot? :/
< 1318968015 245587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on, EgoBot.
< 1318968015 393953 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well your translation I meant
< 1318968017 234928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do it.
< 1318968020 507539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well,*
< 1318968028 786242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("hello\n");
< 1318968032 774584 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is slow
< 1318968041 811766 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help
< 1318968042 299527 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help .
< 1318968045 696666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Ritchie left EgoBot.
< 1318968045 843446 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe?
< 1318968047 349815 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Egobot? :D
< 1318968055 55949 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages
< 1318968055 388376 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh.
< 1318968058 639118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("SAY HELLO TO CITRIAL OR DIE\n");
< 1318968066 557291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int main() { printf("SAY HELLO TO CITRIAL OR DIE\n"); }
< 1318968072 422185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo PLS
< 1318968075 882478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, I thought you were pinging me there
< 1318968078 106046 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm something fishy going on here
< 1318968079 859560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :citiral: OK, maybe HackEgo just doesn't like you.
< 1318968081 881487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, EgoBot.
< 1318968088 100206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actually, Vorpal did via EgoBot
< 1318968097 104355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi citiral, btw
< 1318968098 81292 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I did !help
< 1318968101 983838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I know
< 1318968102 130536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cycle "we have lambdabot too"
< 1318968103 88872 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "we have lambdabot toowe have lambdabot toowe have lambdabot toowe have lam...
< 1318968104 804229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a ping on "INTERCAL"
< 1318968106 598646 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT? I wanted to install GTA IV, and now it just prompts me with: Your system is incompatible with GTA IV. Please follow the following link: www.microsoft.com.      o.O
< 1318968107 373624 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: could be that language interpreters are broken
< 1318968110 471440 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen test
< 1318968115 57162 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​61 +++++++++++++[>+>+++++++++>++++++++><<<<-]>>-.>---.<-.+.<---. [32]
< 1318968119 195162 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is one botty channel.
< 1318968120 973055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo yay
< 1318968123 115365 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1318968123 265053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :citiral: does that actually link to Microsoft's homepage?
< 1318968126 90934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmph.
< 1318968128 478718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, it doesn't seem particularly useful
< 1318968135 45638 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure, it doesn't want to open the link.
< 1318968147 542067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it even try?
< 1318968151 91056 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange, considering I played gtaIV on my pc yesterday.
< 1318968153 655493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it just the URL of Microsoft's homepage underlined?
< 1318968156 950117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't very confident in its suggestion.
< 1318968161 646935 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played it a few days ago.
< 1318968163 748256 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't do shit. It just sits there, mocking me.
< 1318968165 991349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like... ah... maybe don't click that.
< 1318968201 291113 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is kind of fun, but gets boring quickly, you have to play the god damn storyline to unlock the whole map for screwing around in
< 1318968206 604916 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +++++++++++++[>+>+++++++++>++++++++><<<<-]>>-.>---.<-.+.<---.
< 1318968210 745988 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be protecting me from getting too little sleep.
< 1318968215 27323 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :citiral, how did you come across isometric programming languages?
< 1318968220 36651 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you end up with friends you need to hang out with regularly or they stop liking you
< 1318968223 788393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :citiral: I can vouch for the redundancy of sle;a'sldgfhgbn.,n
< 1318968248 713396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++++[>+>+++++++++>++++++++><<<<-]>>-.>---.<-.+.<---.
< 1318968248 889376 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :test.
< 1318968250 190514 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad told me about shakespearian. I got interested and googled it. And then I found a source of awesomness.
< 1318968255 476562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot wins
< 1318968255 697470 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ( list-tail ' ( 1 2 3
< 1318968267 827954 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :citiral, you don't live in Hexham, do you?
< 1318968270 849535 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, if I run it in windowsXP compatibility mode, it does get to install.
< 1318968275 915467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Oh god please no.
< 1318968279 361065 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live in Belgium.
< 1318968279 507827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't take it.
< 1318968282 675513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's worth finding out quickly
< 1318968284 802141 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, no0t Hexham
< 1318968286 120260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But do you live in Hexham, Belgium?
< 1318968286 449779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good, crisis averted
< 1318968297 174249 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I live in overrepen, Belgium.
< 1318968297 501753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :citiral: there are two Hexhamers in the channel; everyone was very surprised
< 1318968298 921402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :citiral: it runs fine under windows 7 pro (64-bit) for me
< 1318968301 793324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I have it on good authority that Belgium doesn't actually exist.
< 1318968304 424591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This could be a cover.
< 1318968313 492494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION greps /hexham/ on http://zapatopi.net/belgium/

< 1318968323 316037 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an illegal copy, which installed just fine, now I purchased it to play online, and it doesn't work...
< 1318968324 133295 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on windows atm though. I prefer linux normally
< 1318968326 285448 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the irony.
< 1318968332 878118 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1318968361 500155 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hope installing it in compatibily mode doesn't screw with some registery entries.
< 1318968368 737918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first result for "belgium hexham" is http://www.hexhamcourant.co.uk/news/news-at-a-glance/belgium-driver-s-wrong-turn-sparks-rescue-drama-1.764838?referrerPath=news/news-at-a-glance
< 1318968372 600623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: sets tens of cookies
< 1318968387 383048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Courant is the best source for useless news ever.
< 1318968387 877838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does Firefox not have a "deny for session" option?
< 1318968397 791313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I don't want the first cookie, I probably don't want the second cookie either
< 1318968400 98835 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :3/win 7
< 1318968405 186661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right, I forgot that you probably new it existed
< 1318968408 613610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*knew
< 1318968423 542935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did write the silent k the first time round, just put it on the wrong word
< 1318968433 205089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then forgot to re-add it after deleting it
< 1318968434 522298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kcourant.
< 1318968449 947574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a KDE app.
< 1318968480 365549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesnt kanything that karbitrarily kstart with k ksound like a kde app?
< 1318968494 741163 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmaybe.
< 1318968548 737420 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : why does Firefox not have a "deny for session" option? <-- you mean the thing where you get a stack of "deny cookie?" from the same site? Utterly annoying that.
< 1318968553 733811 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what actually causes it?
< 1318968576 976586 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, even if I select to remember the deny they are actually all opened before I get to click
< 1318968577 206705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox devs just not imagining that someone who wants to specifically allow/deny cookies might not want to save the preference for future sessoins
< 1318968578 687780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sessions
< 1318968583 301852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just as bad with the allow options
< 1318968593 818447 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :funbot!
< 1318968596 129557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that I'm more likely to allow cookies from a site permanently than once
< 1318968598 433958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Post 1, 2, 3: on x86-64, an int is generally 4 bits wide, just like on a regular x86 system."
< 1318968607 280072 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot!
< 1318968607 694521 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :citiral: do you have
< 1318968610 729407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Windows, clearly
< 1318968612 551964 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that is not the issue for me. I'm talking about where you get a whole stack of cookie windows *at once* so you have to click through every one of them
< 1318968621 397288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep, the famous four-bit Windows???
< 1318968623 691133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that happens on both cases to me too
< 1318968632 959726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the 8086 isn't actually a 4-bit processor
< 1318968637 344635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think Windows runs on a 4086
< 1318968637 965320 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is really annoying
< 1318968640 149258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I may have just invented
< 1318968644 346611 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :4004 for the win 8-D
< 1318968654 848269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: extra annoying is that all the windows are modal
< 1318968659 604570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sometimes don't open in the right order
< 1318968662 561784 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: relative firefox yeah
< 1318968665 214949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to figure out which one you have to click on first
< 1318968669 176839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I wonder if there's any 4004 emulators.
< 1318968669 860354 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: EgoBot is borken okthxbye
< 1318968678 953491 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they open right on top for me
< 1318968692 205497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: same for me, but sometimes they open right on top in the wrong order
< 1318968696 838752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh, if they were modal I couldn't handle it. Since they don't show up in the task bar either
< 1318968701 120722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to move them so as to find which one you have to click on next
< 1318968703 612722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're application-modal
< 1318968704 174638 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, modal in wrong order I mean
< 1318968706 61906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not system-modal
< 1318968710 349038 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a big difference between befunge-93 and -98?
< 1318968715 957493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :citiral: yes
< 1318968724 462734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-98 is a much larger language; -93 is more of a toy
< 1318968725 285568 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :How big is big?
< 1318968743 389329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, -98 has massive library support (for an esolang)
< 1318968744 511322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huge
< 1318968752 258419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -93 interpreter can be done in about two, three pages of code
< 1318968753 888056 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the only things that should be system modal would be dialogues like "are you sure you want to log out" or "enter password to open package manager"
< 1318968755 241591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge-98 probably has the best library support of any esolang
< 1318968759 179239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-98 takes a thousand lines in just about any language
< 1318968761 157264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and -98 is pretty hard to implement
< 1318968761 491646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's before fingerprints
< 1318968767 789722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those thousand lines are going to be wrong the first fifty times
< 1318968779 938777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I disagree about either of those
< 1318968780 756445 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :-98 is a general-purpose programming language used for vital business logic of dozens of Fortune-500 companies. -93 is only used by Google.
< 1318968791 860886 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : -98 takes a thousand lines in just about any language <-- cfunge is about 10000 lines iirc
< 1318968795 297506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, log out confirmation dialog boxes, I often quickly do things in the background while they're open
< 1318968802 384979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: C isn't a language, and I said before fingerprints.
< 1318968814 698310 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah
< 1318968815 422659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Is it possible to overclock this CPU to achieve higher speeds? General Heed (talk) 18:10, 28 August 2010 (UTC)" --[[Talk:Intel 4004]]
< 1318968819 15549 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, let's try IRP first then.
< 1318968824 103028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear
< 1318968829 537239 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1318968837 957815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :citiral: just so you know, #irp exists as a honeypot for redditors
< 1318968838 453164 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lol
< 1318968843 898390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me a while to figure this out, incidentally
< 1318968845 669651 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also first 10 times unless you written a befunge-98 interpreter in another language before
< 1318968864 35713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely, it spontaneously ended up fulfilling its original purpose, as some people mistook it for a channel about IRP and idled there, ready to act as an interp
< 1318968864 182382 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I mean, doing efunge was quite easy. I did end up redoing the funge space representation. That was about it.
< 1318968871 916290 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please write an befunge-98 interpreter please.
< 1318968874 908394 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :a*
< 1318968878 236063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :citiral: ~/Code/shiro
< 1318968893 523938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are quite a lot of befunge-98 interps around nowadays
< 1318968897 67968 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: A three-gigaherz 4004.
< 1318968902 95962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thanks to Deewiant's efforts in compliance testing, some of them even work
< 1318968904 570546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Liquid nitrogen cooled.
< 1318968914 887929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ...to a different spec than is written :P
< 1318968917 212144 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I got to go.
< 1318968921 476358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye, see you later
< 1318968926 585746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye, see you NEVER.
< 1318968929 559670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone gets one visit to this chanenl.
< 1318968930 873146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONE
< 1318968937 806895 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, watch me!
< 1318968943 247091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: BAAAAAN
< 1318968949 803170 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric
< 1318968958 64235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've seen nothing in citiral's behaviour that would make me want to ban him/her
< 1318968966 682498 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :al: https://launchpad.net/cfunge
< 1318968968 281086 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1318968971 947268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks al
< 1318968973 942384 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I removed that line
< 1318968984 7819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I managed to delete half the line then hit enter
< 1318968988 405411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it remove some from the front
< 1318968991 112579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1318969004 465908 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit behind, but I once made a befunge-93 interpreter in /Scratch/
< 1318969006 945295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I assumed you were pinging yourself for a moment
< 1318969013 40669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I realised "citiral" also ended "al"
< 1318969017 609120 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right
< 1318969018 152312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: ouch
< 1318969020 499471 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And 48 gigabytes of RAM. (The best thing to have in a thing with a 12-bit address bus.)
< 1318969024 254237 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is Scratch?
< 1318969030 71257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have anything vaguely corresponding to source-code, that's actually human-readable?
< 1318969032 470386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Smalltalk VM
< 1318969035 444758 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1318969035 729818 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Educational programming language aimed at under 12
< 1318969045 622454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no, that's Squeak
< 1318969045 945163 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what has 48 GB RAM?
< 1318969063 150847 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The 3-gigahertz 4004.
< 1318969083 295244 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1318969089 396620 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually laughed out loud)
< 1318969091 556907 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fungot runs on a 3GHz 4004, doesn't it?
< 1318969091 971530 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: apart from the windows 95 and 98 setup cds
< 1318969103 129350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it isn't an AOL CD
< 1318969105 276829 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember those?
< 1318969121 885248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never saw one in real life. But they became rather infamous I seem to remember.
< 1318969127 515523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have seen one
< 1318969127 864822 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AOL /CD/s? Try AOL floppies.
< 1318969135 568348 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1318969139 245676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, I'm trying to remember the password that was printed on it, now
< 1318969155 472967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think half of it was "CLENCH", it was two capitalised dictionary words separated by a hyphen
< 1318969166 353030 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1318969191 61498 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had ISP CDs here, though not AOL. I don't think there were too many for-free floppies, though you did use to get a software floppy with the contract.
< 1318969198 620570 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :PELVIC-CLENCH?
< 1318969207 828182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott/Ngevd: is the Hexham Courant a serious newspaper?
< 1318969212 117744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1318969212 264418 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1318969222 668207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, good to know
< 1318969222 922133 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: serious as Hexam.
< 1318969240 450628 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :+h
< 1318969248 882509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehxam?
< 1318969252 510311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexamh?
< 1318969255 148959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hHexam?
< 1318969258 588511 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember the ISP floppies that came with the first modem my parents had
< 1318969281 798250 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had Netscape 2 for mac, PPP software for mac os 6 and mac os 7 and such things
< 1318969288 27991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eudora too
< 1318969298 960850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know when I was young, I was confused by all the companies that assumed that people's TVs and computers were in the same room as their telephones
< 1318969309 344230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember running backwards and forwards across the house with a sheet of paper full of numbers
< 1318969310 727633 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember our EUnet floppy came with at least a Trumpet Winsock copy, Mosaic 1-or-2.something, and some really random utilities.
< 1318969321 548452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to do Microsoft's telephone activation service thing for Windows
< 1318969323 891160 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: even older heh
< 1318969344 813038 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that must have been recently
< 1318969353 83644 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first time I used a computer would have been...
< 1318969353 230326 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not use online activation
< 1318969354 802124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: early XP
< 1318969356 862250 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1998-9 ish?
< 1318969360 216210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no internet connection, obviously
< 1318969368 639315 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had a CLI
< 1318969371 189351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: by the time of xp and no dialup even?
< 1318969372 446400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1318969377 312552 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was in our garage
< 1318969383 502835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I /still/ have no Internet connection at home
< 1318969396 33385 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh
< 1318969409 339648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why?
< 1318969410 618217 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind-of surprised you didn't notice
< 1318969418 36646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: range of possible answers
< 1318969425 231376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't want one" is true, but badly explained
< 1318969442 8569 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I thought you finally had one. Must have confused you with some other person.
< 1318969458 50092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally got one*
< 1318969458 278820 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It was the only Internet connection I've had that had the opportunity to make a "local call": you could sign a cheaper contract (something like 17p/min as opposed to 22p/min) for a connection that blackhole-routed everything going outside Finland.
< 1318969460 635922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one at work
< 1318969467 524888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not currently at work, although I am currently online
< 1318969473 186113 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: heh
< 1318969477 620209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's amazing
< 1318969478 918781 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I assume you didn't?
< 1318969500 335415 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : and I'm not currently at work, although I am currently online <-- so where are you then?
< 1318969500 845824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can understand "blackhole everything we don't have a peering agreement with"
< 1318969506 809114 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wifi hotspot?
< 1318969507 288869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: neither at work nor at home
< 1318969512 426517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, not a public connection
< 1318969518 639125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I borrow from friends, mostly
< 1318969528 31665 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1318969539 613296 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah, you should try to borrow from neighbours. Then you could get internet at home
< 1318969546 187781 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, I think it was mostly meant e.g. for folks that only wanted Internet to connect to their company network.
< 1318969555 109189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: with their permission…
< 1318969560 157512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: obviously
< 1318969573 848453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, I'm the only person who actually knows how to find out the password on the connection
< 1318969576 799966 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, I don't know. There wasn't *that* much of a web.
< 1318969586 23140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody knows it off by heart because it's long and random hexadecimal
< 1318969586 173687 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that is why you would try to become friends with some suitable neighbours.
< 1318969592 556263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the computer has it memorized
< 1318969597 230786 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah
< 1318969605 260845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that tends to be the case
< 1318969607 888986 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably you could still send "international" email and read Usenet and so on.
< 1318969608 842632 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is it WEP?
< 1318969611 395093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : "I don't want one" is true, but badly explained
< 1318969618 797113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: WPA1
< 1318969629 247045 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: okay, then it would take a while to find out I guess
< 1318969631 823857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not actually secure, but not as bad as WEP, and a max-length password helps a bit
< 1318969656 829435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1318969662 209549 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really wish my access point at home supported WPA 2 Enterprise, I have to settle for WPA2
< 1318969670 324925 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: back
< 1318969700 994678 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I don't have a real solution for you, but there's some things in the log.
< 1318969703 579982 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it seems your answer scrolled off  variable: If you just don't specify "index" at all, it'll plot them all as separate lines just fine, but all the lines will be with the same color and have just one title.  ---> first thing I see
< 1318969706 650645 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :WPA2 PSK*
< 1318969713 26085 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION could easily change the format though

< 1318969722 435703 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: what about the logs?
< 1318969735 287368 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as linked in the topic)
< 1318969743 428891 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1318969744 589259 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION forgot

< 1318969751 139237 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: or your local logs of course
< 1318969772 763820 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't log this channel because its logged itself :)
< 1318969777 919907 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1318969800 311467 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking
< 1318969872 7445 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Search for "variable:"; all the stuff is pretty much grouped together there, near before what you last saw.
< 1318969881 928724 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkay
< 1318969909 970818 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I also have a hg checkout of the logs apparently
< 1318969927 401062 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: nice
< 1318969946 665737 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I have my logs in a local postgresql db for this channel (not for other channels though)
< 1318969951 165130 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful for useless statistics
< 1318969957 949101 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and quick searching
< 1318969962 252039 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I've been meaning to get that set up
< 1318969982 334319 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Anyway, the inability to only make multiple data series out of separate things physically listed in the "plot" command (as opposed to "all datasets in a multi-dataset file") is an annoying limitation of gnuplot; it might be circumventable, but I don't quite know how. Personally I've sometimes just manually listed things in the plot script, and at other times generated the plot script along with the data.
< 1318969986 738678 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: ask fizzie for some useful scripts. Pulls from the old clog archive rather than Gregor's archive though
< 1318970000 173678 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkay
< 1318970014 418687 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless he updated his scripts
< 1318970027 718413 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't mind changing how the data gets formatted.  I basically need to be able to plot how my modifications to the simulator help or hurt
< 1318970154 996440 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh - no hg logs of today :(
< 1318970161 538737 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at topic

< 1318970202 462818 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Yes, well, changing the datafile format only gets you so far. You can get the lines you want, but with a single "plot 'blah.dat' using ..." command, it's always going to end up being a single data series, so (a) all the lines get the same style (though there is a hack to give them different colors), and more importantly (b) they will have only one entry in the key/legend thing.
< 1318970238 120153 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I could use multiple 'plot' lines I guess?
< 1318970240 457055 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:13:25:  variable: It is awfully tricky to get multiple lines (with different titles) using only a single plot specifier. You almost get it if you separate the datasets (in your case, different testnames) with two newlines and then plot the complete file, but in that case all the lines end up in the same style. It is trivial if you don't mind doing "plot 'blah.data' ... index 0, 'blah.data' ... index 1, ..." with one command per each line, but that re
< 1318970240 603916 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quires either fixin
< 1318970240 604123 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:13:25:  g the number of lines, or generating the plotscript along with the data. Here's an example of what that might look like: http://p.zem.fi/meud
< 1318970247 798177 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That paste has an example of that sort of thing.
< 1318970251 657077 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah reading
< 1318970267 771373 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://p.zem.fi/meud
< 1318970296 628713 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(An autogenerated random four-character name from the alphabet [0-9a-z], IIRC.)
< 1318970298 922314 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: let me put slightly differently. Given that I have this set of data what would be the "correct" thing to do ?
< 1318970388 829594 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Uh, well. Modifying your script to print out "foo.data" and then "foo.plot" so you can just run "gnuplot foo.plot" is a reasonable solution, if not the prettiest. Of course there are other tools to plot things. A Pythonist might consider matplotlib, which is nice except it has a bit of a clunky interface.
< 1318970447 508015 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It half-assedly tries to emulate MATLAB's plotting tools for some unfathomable reason.)
< 1318970491 49492 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was planning on using this into a "let me learn gnuplot" but yeah, other tools might work work
< 1318970508 504709 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :which tool do you find best / easiest for plotting benchmark data ?
< 1318970551 320255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I've never tried that using anything other than INTERCAL
< 1318970576 283067 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: o.O
< 1318970585 211442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I've never tried that using INTERCAL either
< 1318970586 649132 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-30.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1318970598 79332 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so I assumed :)
< 1318970639 185095 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, well. I tend to default to gnuplot for one-off things. I'd consider matplotlib if the script to deal with the data happened to already be in Python, since in that case it'd be a natural-ish fit. And, well... if the output was going in a LaTeX document, I might go with TikZ's plotting tools. And if the output was designed for web, I might go with Protovis or d3 or something.
< 1318970646 773627 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :With other things I'm not so familiar.
< 1318970658 391285 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: output is going to latex
< 1318970694 434747 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh
< 1318970697 277608 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :TikZ looks nice
< 1318970717 256457 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more of a graphics library than plotting library, but it can be (ab)used for plots too.
< 1318970739 343403 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.texample.net/tikz/examples/line-plot-example/
< 1318970742 333122 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly what I want
< 1318970747 102324 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ with a different scale ]
< 1318970803 921056 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, but that's got the different plotted series explicitly listed in there. If you're willing to do that, it's possible to use GNUplot. Though TikZ is nice in that there's absolutely no work in getting the output into the LaTeX doc; it's already there.
< 1318970812 457356 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Away for a moment now.
< 1318970845 124238 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'd prefer to have the data in an external file
< 1318970849 419173 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it isn't critical
< 1318970910 716333 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: now you should try plotting with intercal
< 1318970957 908965 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :generate a bmp file or something. If you have byte IO (iirc there is some intercal extension for that in c-intercal?).
< 1318970996 336414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, and an incompatible one in CLC-INTERCAL
< 1318971004 198339 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1318971009 318946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I forgot how they work.
< 1318971016 733930 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wasn't one based on the delta or some such?
< 1318971018 417735 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can use external files with TikZ too.)
< 1318971050 37839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the C-INTERCAL idea is, that all the possible bytes are written on a circular tape, and you have to work out how many positions to move it
< 1318971054 987082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's effectively delta
< 1318971062 152226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and the CLC one?
< 1318971063 863937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that one of input/output, I forget which, uses the other side of the tape
< 1318971066 340649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to reverse bits
< 1318971067 261034 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mkay. I'm taking a closer look then
< 1318971073 924445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CLC one is hard to easily explain
< 1318971079 962435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: give it a try?
< 1318971087 963684 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(please)
< 1318971113 591127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://smuggle.intercal.org.uk/manual/input_output.html#binary
< 1318971122 752923 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1318971222 616320 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-30.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318971266 438335 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The current implementation does not check that the padding is sufficiently random, although this might well change in future."
< 1318971268 95983 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1318971272 824797 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :all ones is random
< 1318971318 641002 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway that IO system is in some ways crazier than the c-intercal one, and in other ways saner than it.
< 1318971339 26404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're both stateful IIRC
< 1318971352 463892 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, maybe I misunderstood the thing then
< 1318971364 699107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe I did
< 1318971380 535612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a reason CLC-INTERCAL binary IO isn't implemented in C-INTERCAL
< 1318971383 972375 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway C-INTERCAL has another byte IO. The cfunge stuff could probably be used for that. Forgot how you sent values between them though
< 1318971424 218163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Baudot doesn't have 256 different codepoints
< 1318971437 600429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well of course?
< 1318971445 991477 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at the binary IO section
< 1318971458 972407 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alphanumeric I/O is different
< 1318971462 588120 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mentions baudot
< 1318971484 248642 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: or is baudot involved in the IFFI stuff?
< 1318971496 6382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no
< 1318971501 458408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can FFI to something with a sensible stdout
< 1318971507 538545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C would probably make more sense than Funge-98
< 1318971512 73458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah
< 1318971544 643098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: cfunge has quite a sensible stdout and stdin though. Same sort of saneness as brainfuck mostly
< 1318971555 171241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1318971570 356460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm including funges as "things with a sensible stdout"
< 1318971585 686685 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://smuggle.intercal.org.uk/manual/input_output.html#numeric mentions ick and sick? Is that ick a different one than the C-INTERCAL one?
< 1318971589 885074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, how confusing
< 1318971608 760665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's C-INTERCAL it's referring to there
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< 1318971659 826324 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I guess "if it is ick or 1972, you get the overline like C-INTERCAL does" confused me. It sounded like "ick does the same as C-INTERCAL does" which would be kind of pointless to say if ick *was* C-INTERCAL
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< 1318971684 760412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, CLC-INTERCAL has a C-INTERCAL emulation mode
< 1318971688 509735 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1318971692 578885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is also called ick
< 1318971692 725594 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes more sense
< 1318971706 117860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-INTERCAL has a CLC-INTERCAL emulation mode called -X
< 1318971710 19714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it installs that as a binary name?
< 1318971713 299535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1318971713 812225 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or as a parameter?
< 1318971715 196041 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1318971715 384266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :preload name
< 1318971720 222493 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh?
< 1318971729 472227 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1318971733 77669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: to answer that I'd have to explain how CLC-INTERCAL works
< 1318971741 272681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I'm really not up to right now
< 1318971747 968472 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh you mean the stuff that it is kind of like non-time reversed feather?
< 1318971750 393783 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1318971757 420666 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, time traveling*
< 1318971780 338744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually not sure if that's involved or not
< 1318971788 119319 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :time travel?
< 1318971789 234890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not because I'm unaware of how CLC-INTERCAL works, I just can't figure it out
< 1318971794 998861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, self-modification
< 1318971802 501422 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you said it was doing that
< 1318971803 288096 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1318971813 888416 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it started out as a perl script and turned into intercal at the end
< 1318971816 155159 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1318971823 328189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1318971832 322927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of the perl script as a VM
< 1318971835 925150 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1318971836 600091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that runs IACC programs
< 1318971841 293680 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, now I remember
< 1318971847 410887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IACC is capable of self-modifying itself into INTERCAL
< 1318971848 462909 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :was ages ago I last looked into it
< 1318971863 973589 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so then self modification is clearly involved
< 1318971899 6146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1318971907 101448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but self-modification doesn't necessarily have anything to do with Feather
< 1318971914 921528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1318971930 202752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a question: does anyone know why it was implemented like that? It seems a fairly stupid way to do it. Over-complicated. Is that perhaps the reason?
< 1318971956 524310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :partly for flexibility
< 1318971967 938625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the IACC interp is also written in IACC, incidentally
< 1318971973 528794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1318971980 388284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so CLC-INTERCAL ships with iacc.iacc because otherwise you could never get started
< 1318972016 846337 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you say IACC interpreter? Wouldn't it compile to bytecode? Or what role does the perl vm play?
< 1318972033 156701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, a preload is an iacc file that gets compiled/run (there isn't much of a distinction between the two in CLC-INTERCAL) before the program is compiled
< 1318972042 618321 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1318972065 309172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: don't try to make a distinction between "compile" and "run" in CLC-INTERCAL, you won't get very far
< 1318972070 411802 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1318972078 467445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it JTLs
< 1318972086 974441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :JTL?
< 1318972087 686635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit like JITting, except more confusing
< 1318972093 151943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh too late
< 1318972095 27004 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I remember
< 1318972117 78422 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, the iacc.iacc must be executed by *something* able to interpret it. You can't escape that.
< 1318972120 929949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but basically, the compiler mostly only runs at runtime
< 1318972137 148596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it's iacc.io that gets shipped
< 1318972141 942396 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1318972145 317235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the iacc compiler compiled, by itself, to bytecode
< 1318972149 117344 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1318972153 247128 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes far more sense
< 1318972155 522922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bytecode mostly consists of commands to run the compiler, IIRC
< 1318972214 395027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this sort of thing explains how nobody knows how CLC-INTERCAL handles operator precedence, incidentally; I ran a few tests on it to try to determine it experimentally, but I can't remember the results)
< 1318972234 628344 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not even the author?
< 1318972248 783479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep; he thought he did once, but then changed his mind
< 1318972266 493064 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, you need the same operator precedence as the original intercal. Or stuff wouldn't work
< 1318972272 954027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that trivially gives the answer
< 1318972290 642666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: have you /seen/ the operator precedence table in the original INTERCAL?
< 1318972296 9372 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nope
< 1318972297 171959 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me
< 1318972303 618001 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is it not there?
< 1318972305 295741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me find it
< 1318972315 334896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is one, but it's empty
< 1318972323 179243 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah...
< 1318972333 318895 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so what operator precedence does it in fact use?
< 1318972351 120733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :some tests on the original should help there
< 1318972363 646849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.catb.org/~esr/intercal/intercal.ps page 11
< 1318972373 699395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the original mostly isn't available
< 1318972388 546064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone came on alt.lang.intercal once to say that they still had a paper copy of it, which they were willing to scan in
< 1318972390 698674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it never happened
< 1318972394 132730 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98AKFQkaWJM
< 1318972397 521812 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my region of the country
< 1318972402 738830 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :has a lot of excellent individuals.
< 1318972406 339052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-INTERCAL's precedences are the same as the ones experimentally determined from CLC-INTERCAL
< 1318972407 672635 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bright young lads.
< 1318972411 959400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right.
< 1318972423 943785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the general advice is to always use explicit sparkears so that it doesn't matter
< 1318972429 374428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what about example programs from the original?
< 1318972439 649955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the manual
< 1318972441 825715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they always use explict sparkears
< 1318972444 823122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1318972455 962797 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there wasn't any precedence ?
< 1318972480 159858 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1318972487 495700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if I was the sort of person who generally facepalmed, I would be facepalming right now
< 1318972497 856099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it indeed doesn't have precedence, that's the point
< 1318972505 446041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not explain what #1~#2~#3 means, though
< 1318972535 607839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh, and IIRC, C-INTERCAL doesn't have precedence, just associativity)
< 1318972566 805475 :ive!~nn@189.179.247.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1318972570 261819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in that all operators are in the same precedence band if they have the same arity)
< 1318972757 619640 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318972795 676292 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : it does not explain what #1~#2~#3 means, though <-- it might, depending on the parser. If it was something similar to yacc maybe they just let shift/reduce sort it out?
< 1318972821 812957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was yacc around in 1972?
< 1318972835 693316 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no idea. But I said "something similar to"
< 1318972858 128727 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and what language was the original written in?
< 1318972864 5117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPITBOL
< 1318972883 615800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not sure if even C was around in 1972, incidentally)
< 1318972907 641306 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, were there any parser generators for SPITBOL?
< 1318972926 573467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how should I know?
< 1318972961 622418 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you knew what the language in use was, you knew more than me, you might have known. I had no indication you didn't know until your reply
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< 1318973371 570262 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought snobol was essentially the first parsing language, or something like that
< 1318973390 344033 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(spitbol is an implementation of it)
< 1318973548 332970 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SNOBOL4 patterns subsume BNF grammars, which are equivalent to context-free grammars and more powerful than regular expressions."
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< 1318973683 524203 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-30.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: C was 1973, so. :)
< 1318973695 789753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty close
< 1318973708 223381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, INTERCAL predating C is pretty hard to imagine
< 1318973708 495432 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-30.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, of course, its ancestry goes back a bit further.
< 1318973730 193481 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-30.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like Thompson and Ritchie got together one day in 1973 and went "Let's make C", and it was so.
< 1318973730 770928 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :any idea why C became so popular?
< 1318973731 633737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I assume INTERCAL was around at the same time as B, in that case
< 1318973735 386356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: UNIX
< 1318973748 792384 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1318973789 881231 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A SNOBOL pattern can be very simple or extremely complex. A simple pattern is just a text string (e.g. "ABCD"), but a complex pattern may be a large structure describing, for example, the complete grammar of a computer language. It is possible to implement a language interpreter in SNOBOL almost directly from a Backus-Naur form expression of it, with few changes. Creating a macro assembler and an interpreter for a completely theoretical piece of hardwa
< 1318973814 600731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sounds surprisingly like Perl 6 regexen
< 1318973817 766866 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardware could take as little as a few hundred lines, with a new instruction being added with a single line.
< 1318973874 295886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well of course, completely theoretical hardware is often easier to implement than practical hardware
< 1318973880 715015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's mostly invented by mathematicians
< 1318973943 648297 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: more like discovered. bahahahahahaha.
< 1318973955 124189 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I would say invented too.)
< 1318973960 247687 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats CakeProphet -----###

< 1318974128 850667 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That made it clear that we needed another name!! We sat and talked and drank coffee and shot rubber bands and after much too much time someone said -- most likely Ralph -- "We don't have a Snowball chance in hell of finding a name". All of us yelled at once, "WE GOT IT -- SNOBOL" in the spirit of all the BOL languages. We then stretched our mind to find what it stood for."
< 1318974148 26209 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm sure that's how it happened
< 1318974156 215702 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were all just "SNOBOL!!!!" spelled just like that.
< 1318974270 260249 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318974522 233707 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good?
< 1318974533 360789 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good?
< 1318974536 735789 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1318974538 463671 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good is good
< 1318974540 899068 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1318974541 915436 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1318974936 740335 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you allow beholders as PCs in your campaigns?
< 1318974973 649588 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4db4e8fb.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1318975255 682872 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I would if I could determine the level adjustment to use.
< 1318975276 180044 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But normally I do not, because no level adjustment is listed.
< 1318975412 502584 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do *you* allow it?
< 1318975536 720359 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't play D&D, so...
< 1318975548 453174 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I played a hack and slash MUD where beholders were playable characters, and enjoyed playing a beholder, so...
< 1318975553 715005 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's something I'd possibly enjoy in D&D
< 1318975581 350923 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I am not the DM of the anyways, however.
< 1318975604 7659 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is not permitted normally because there is no level adjustment specified.
< 1318975672 392226 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(However, in Icosahedral RPG, all creatures have the number of pseudolevels specified)
< 1318975719 874405 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I would assume it would be because they're abberations and thus don't traditionally fit the whole adventurer model.
< 1318975722 618668 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-30.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's actually entirely feasible to play races without named level adjustments.
< 1318975755 96709 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-30.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The hit die simply become levels in the race.
< 1318975806 762870 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: like, what reason would a beholder have for being in a campaign with traditional D&D characters?
< 1318975807 297759 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No LA is different from LA=0 (all races in player's handbook implicitly have LA=0)
< 1318975853 197502 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Use your imagination! It doesn't matter if they are aberrations or not. I myself play monster character; but always by LA.
< 1318975858 28215 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: unless, of course, it was a non-standard beholder.
< 1318975859 999077 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-30.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Still, you can fudge it easy.
< 1318975886 558100 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, the book Savage Species has ideas about determining what the LA value should be.
< 1318975895 198588 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-30.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right, that's the book.
< 1318975905 67671 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-30.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good stuff.
< 1318975914 610256 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :disintegrate objects, transmute flesh to stone, cause sleep, slow the motion of objects or beings, charm animals, charm humans, cause death, induce fear, levitate objects, and inflict serious wounds
< 1318975920 86430 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause death, that's a good magical power.
< 1318975929 3381 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume levitate is how they move.
< 1318975935 90435 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-30.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup!
< 1318975946 642217 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depends what version.
< 1318975979 948011 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall in the MUD I played instead of wield weapons with limbs like most races you use the levitation eye.
< 1318975986 246898 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wielding
< 1318976018 978267 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition, I invented a feat allowing you to change one magical power to a different one (you must select a the time you select the feat, after which it is permanent) (this feat can also be used with NPC beholders, for example, if the DM makes a strange challenge)
< 1318976033 171805 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are restrictions on which spells are selectable, though)
< 1318976120 639954 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose a Spectator would be the most convincing kind of playable beholder
< 1318976124 432440 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they're apparently somewhat friendly.
< 1318976233 495891 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I pick chaotic evil
< 1318976236 868750 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1318976257 398556 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, pick whatever alignment you want
< 1318976279 169763 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: just arguing that non-friendly playable beholder might make sense too
< 1318976307 973603 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps if they had an ulterior motive that required them to not eat the party members in their sleep. :P
< 1318976311 730628 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, it can; and anyways, individuals also differ, especially player characters since player characters are exceptional anyways
< 1318976328 57237 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which RPG is this anyway?
< 1318976355 938650 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Maybe. But it can also be due to having other thing to eat
< 1318976399 109872 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly a beholder would have to be non-traditional to be a player character though, since their mindset is to destroy anything that isn't the same kind of beholder as they.
< 1318976427 584412 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's fine. that would be interesting.
< 1318976434 424899 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Yes; that much would almost always be the case.
< 1318976447 655317 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, I get 20 eyestalks. :P
< 1318976460 317082 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is OK since player characters are supposed to be exceptional anyways, so it is OK.
< 1318976476 612568 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Actually, to get 20 eyestalks maybe you need to increase the LA then?
< 1318976484 704825 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think so.
< 1318976491 677153 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 of them are the "cause death" kind. :P
< 1318976493 310738 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I suppose it could be valid to do so.
< 1318976540 718394 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 eyestalks (and the anti-magic center eye)  would be a more reasonable level adjustment.
< 1318976565 158894 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The level adjustment has to be a number.
< 1318976574 163787 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ere, right. I'm saying.
< 1318976575 535554 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as +4 or +10 or whatever.
< 1318976581 108637 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kind of beholder would have a more reasonable level adustment.
< 1318976582 654061 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there is racial HD as well.
< 1318976607 853823 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that is what you are saying; yes I think you are correct.
< 1318976618 844280 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, do beholders have classes? does that make sense?
< 1318976631 158031 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can have classes as much as anyone could, I suppose.
< 1318976640 220142 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if racial HD is at least 1, it is not required.
< 1318976853 991953 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION imagines a beholder templar.

< 1318977034 755649 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :beholder necromancer would be fun.
< 1318977274 963848 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1318977388 501576 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented a collection of documents for a new campaign setting for D&D 3.5e, with different locations, gods, planes, etc. It also has some rule variants.
< 1318977446 116359 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different classes get different number of action points. There are a few additional penalties for resurrection, but all are suppressed if the caster sacrifices his life; doing so also allows resurrecting nonwilling creatures.
< 1318977520 955675 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time on the Death plane runs at double speed (which is the reason for some of the aging effects of resurrection). The Astral plane is infinite dimensional (in both time and in space), and touches all other planes (both inner and outer) at every point of the Astral plane. The Astral plane counts as neither inner nor outer.
< 1318977600 983392 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alignment entries and alignment subtypes of creatures are not used. Any creature is just as likely to be of any alignment as it is of any other. [Making the game more difficult] Exceptions include: * Mindless undead, which never have good alignment * Animals and other creatures with Int<3 or no Int score and have an entry of Always Neutral, which are actually always NN
< 1318977609 251119 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Angels, devils, and demons, with alignment subtypes, and have the Outsider type, which use the alignment entries specified (although there are still extremely rare possibilities to change alignment)
< 1318977624 934660 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, the alignment listed in the book is what many inexperienced humans who deal with this stuff often believe (it is unknown exactly why this is, however). Spells that detect alignments usually operate on the target's current actions. The aura level for past actions is decreased by 1 every 12 hours.
< 1318977642 236239 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some notable groups in the campaign world include: *
< 1318977672 667263 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some notable groups in the campaign world include: * The Spanish Inquisition * Librarians Against Monsters * Librarians Against Librarians Against Monsters * Special Artifact Guild * The Ancient Wizard Society
< 1318977744 736122 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The prime material plane is the same as the etherial plane indexed 0, while the normal etherial plane is the etherial plane indexed 1. Every one of them has its own shadow plane.
< 1318977783 808042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh so this is a comical setting?
< 1318977801 902702 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, it is just a new setting. There are a few comical things in it, I suppose.
< 1318977813 876786 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the Monty Python reference above for example
< 1318977824 351247 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it does include one Monty Python reference.
< 1318977854 955216 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rules used, though, can be used with any setting even if you change things such as removing the Monty Python stuff and so on, even though it is standard listed, you are not required to use it.
< 1318978090 778267 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I designed some of the things in the setting based on my Super ASCII MZX Town series of computer games. The Spanish Inquisition is found in both Part I and Part II, while Librarians Against Monsters (and Librarians Against Librarians Against Monsters) is only Part II.
< 1318978628 783570 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318978654 270743 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin_
< 1318978776 47478 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@137.125.152.153 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1318978934 304736 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@137.125.152.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My PHP professor doesn't know PHP.
< 1318978934 798365 :copumpkin_!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin
< 1318978961 307636 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@137.125.152.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :His example used array_values on a regular array...
< 1318978982 72035 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@137.125.152.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cue arguments between a classmate and him
< 1318979036 318823 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@137.125.152.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, n/m
< 1318979064 975360 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@137.125.152.153 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1318979080 72671 :SgeoN2!~AndChat@137.125.152.153 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318979296 858713 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1318979312 367766 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318979894 185180 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN2: what do you mean n/m? was it not a regular array?
< 1318980033 50659 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1318980183 742931 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, higher order functions in PHP
< 1318980185 255469 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :are amazing
< 1318980198 457325 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :array_filter($array1, "odd");
< 1318980200 286324 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so good.
< 1318980492 335466 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$n = "array1"; array_filter($$n, "odd");
< 1318980552 27039 :SgeoN2!~AndChat@137.125.152.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1318980582 958291 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@137.125.152.153 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318980589 145181 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@137.125.152.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was processed with aarray_unique
< 1318980602 557904 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@137.125.152.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :array
< 1318980614 416289 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aamazing
< 1318980620 163426 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@137.125.152.153 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1318980648 36724 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@137.125.152.153 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318980964 477098 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@137.125.152.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: array_unique does not renumber indexes
< 1318981010 296885 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's array_unique in perl. my %seen; @array = grep {!$seen{$_}++} @array
< 1318981050 714229 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it renumbers indices.
< 1318981065 85292 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is mutable (I'm guess array_unique is not?)
< 1318981072 17416 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er an immutable operation
< 1318981072 988750 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1318981092 854794 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in-place? what is the term for that.
< 1318981133 353364 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure
< 1318981152 841511 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure that orks.
< 1318981154 491120 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :+w
< 1318981164 18365 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i hesitate to use that term for the above code
< 1318981164 167435 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's... not really pure because it uses a hash table.
< 1318981173 694765 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mutably updates said table
< 1318981188 114624 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it just uses an implicit ST monad ;P
< 1318981194 905318 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes of course.
< 1318981321 948251 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318981350 882315 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(notice the infection of Haskell mind virus in its final stage. It won't be long before oerjan degenerates into a non-sentient pile of fleshy finger trees.)
< 1318981376 207107 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah elliott already did, have you seen that picture?
< 1318981386 973240 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, no.
< 1318981401 429703 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought something was up
< 1318981404 331625 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid i didn't save the link
< 1318981404 961655 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's been acting a little strange.
< 1318981409 720658 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's just the teenage hormones.
< 1318981448 364231 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log elliot[t]> .*finger tree.*http
< 1318981480 375197 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-05-13.txt:06:20:31:  i drew a finger tree http://i.imgur.com/sRyCi.png
< 1318981494 966080 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god.
< 1318981516 575975 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :tragic.
< 1318981533 846040 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks more like a cyclic graph...
< 1318981554 885869 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you mean acyclic, it's a tree after all
< 1318981564 813449 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it has fingers pointing downward what's up with that.
< 1318981586 42237 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it has cycles, dude.
< 1318981600 992391 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bro. man.
< 1318981601 139041 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1318981608 811403 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sir.
< 1318981632 613364 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :comrade sir you need to dudechill, bro.
< 1318981655 867927 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :jolly good, yo
< 1318981657 263911 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :brofessional brogrammers.
< 1318981752 235611 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(@array) { delete $_ if !$seen{$_}++ }
< 1318981755 860552 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :would give you the PHP semantics.
< 1318981804 554287 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er...
< 1318981811 839937 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(@array) { delete $_ if $seen{$_}++ }
< 1318981816 846050 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(0..$#array) { splice @array, $_, 1 if $seen{$_}++ }
< 1318981823 587649 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be inplace and reordering indices.
< 1318982149 800940 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://search.cpan.org/~genie/Tie-LazyList-0.05/LazyList.pm
< 1318982151 728948 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :weeeeee
< 1318982247 504622 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you really get much out of using that package though.
< 1318982320 898645 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8AEAC.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1318982348 232463 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :REHash is interesting. It lets you find hash keys by regex.
< 1318982370 698703 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's... basically just a grep.
< 1318982395 83500 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, well, a map actually.
< 1318982507 736084 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl %t = ('a','b','c','d'); print map {/[ab]/?($_, $t{$_}):()} keys %t
< 1318982519 554199 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1318982538 317972 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot: WHYYYYYY
< 1318982550 140158 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e '%t = ('a','b','c','d'); print map {/[ab]/?($_, $t{$_}):()} keys %t'
< 1318982554 320922 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ab
< 1318982581 331007 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e '%t = (a=>1,b=>2,c=>3,d=>4); print map {/[ab]/?($_, $t{$_}):()} keys %t'
< 1318982583 548990 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :a1b2
< 1318982906 863826 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl: rocking concatMap since 1994.
< 1318983024 791017 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing concatMap was around back in Haskell 1.0 though, right?
< 1318983143 243243 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely before 98
< 1318983191 108722 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-115.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1318983195 333195 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-30.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1318983209 469721 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t concatMap
< 1318983210 353882 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (a -> [b]) -> [a] -> [b]
< 1318983225 365317 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flatten . map
< 1318983226 249749 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match expected type `Tree a'
< 1318983226 552021 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :           against inferred type `[a1] -> [b]'
< 1318983226 698883 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Probable cause: `map' is applied to too few arguments
< 1318983230 957152 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::s
< 1318983234 616619 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle [a] -> [a]
< 1318983235 20945 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude cycle :: [a] -> [a]
< 1318983235 207489 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude init :: [a] -> [a]
< 1318983235 354187 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude reverse :: [a] -> [a]
< 1318983246 341845 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle [[a]] -> [a]
< 1318983246 659911 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude concat :: [[a]] -> [a]
< 1318983246 946667 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List concat :: [[a]] -> [a]
< 1318983247 93313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List intercalate :: [a] -> [[a]] -> [a]
< 1318983252 132128 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t concat . map
< 1318983253 2655 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match expected type `[[a]]'
< 1318983253 298676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :           against inferred type `[a1] -> [b]'
< 1318983253 445453 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Probable cause: `map' is applied to too few arguments
< 1318983260 820678 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: note that concatMap is >>= for the list monad. (if you didn't already know...)
< 1318983276 717370 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I know it's flatMap in Scala, but...
< 1318983291 554438 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\f l -> concat . map f l)
< 1318983291 880323 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :((join .) .) . map
< 1318983318 214262 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: that's not how precedence works.
< 1318983338 870624 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\f -> concat . map f)
< 1318983339 135991 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(=<<)
< 1318983343 154355 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1318983345 458469 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1318983347 722424 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\f l -> (concat . map f) l)
< 1318983348 43960 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(=<<)
< 1318983360 226719 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (`replicateM` "abc") =<< [0..]
< 1318983361 142862 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["","a","b","c","aa","ab","ac","ba","bb","bc","ca","cb","cc","aaa","aab","a...
< 1318983373 58227 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my favorites.
< 1318983385 685501 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :More than filterM (const [True,False])?
< 1318983396 113933 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, though that's another good one.
< 1318983400 214272 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t replaceM
< 1318983401 131676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `replaceM'
< 1318983405 316569 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t replicaeM
< 1318983406 298549 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `replicaeM'
< 1318983408 438448 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t replicateM
< 1318983409 375099 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a. (Monad m) => Int -> m a -> m [a]
< 1318983416 887113 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src replicateM
< 1318983417 164364 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :replicateM n x = sequence (replicate n x)
< 1318983465 481130 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sequence "abc"
< 1318983466 286138 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `m a'
< 1318983466 617670 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type `GHC.Types...
< 1318983467 872127 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1318983471 700181 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sequence ["abc"]
< 1318983474 521210 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["a","b","c"]
< 1318983476 950360 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sequence ["abc","abc"]
< 1318983477 824926 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["aa","ab","ac","ba","bb","bc","ca","cb","cc"]
< 1318983481 507540 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sequence ["abc","abc","abc"]
< 1318983482 372370 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["aaa","aab","aac","aba","abb","abc","aca","acb","acc","baa","bab","bac","b...
< 1318983485 482547 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on.
< 1318983494 712534 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sequence [1..]
< 1318983495 554774 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (m [a]))
< 1318983495 784613 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use of `M69561570...
< 1318983498 169239 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sequence [[1..]]
< 1318983498 955070 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[1],[2],[3],[4],[5],[6],[7],[8],[9],[10],[11],[12],[13],[14],[15],[16],[17...
< 1318983511 895670 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> head $ replicateM 1000000 [0..]
< 1318983513 263499 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  *Exception: stack overflow
< 1318983513 887641 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-(
< 1318983539 434947 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> replicateM 10 [0..]
< 1318983540 313152 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0],[0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1],[0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,2],[0,0,0,0...
< 1318983544 972334 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: do you know what replicate does?
< 1318983551 271637 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t replicate
< 1318983552 201126 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. Int -> a -> [a]
< 1318983553 212673 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> replicate 3 4
< 1318983554 78493 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1318983554 225154 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [4,4,4]
< 1318983593 354145 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sequence [[1,2,3],[4,5,6]]
< 1318983594 150639 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[1,4],[1,5],[1,6],[2,4],[2,5],[2,6],[3,4],[3,5],[3,6]]
< 1318983606 112787 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sequence [[1,2,3],[4,5,6,7]]
< 1318983606 924686 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[1,4],[1,5],[1,6],[1,7],[2,4],[2,5],[2,6],[2,7],[3,4],[3,5],[3,6],[3,7]]
< 1318983654 735155 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't tell which part of (`replicateM` "abc") =<< [0..] is the most clever
< 1318983657 863471 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the replicateM...
< 1318983701 63488 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a tie between the sequence and replicate... they are both used cleverly
< 1318983838 747372 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: some fun things I've done with that bit of code: http://sprunge.us/gSSO
< 1318983873 755514 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :..
< 1318983875 234144 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :=p
< 1318984115 310598 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er unbalance paren on the end of balancedBrackets
< 1318984135 388582 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, no
< 1318984136 747680 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind :P
< 1318984467 708228 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@137.125.152.153 QUIT :Quit: Bye
< 1318984929 261682 :ive!~nn@189.179.247.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1318984983 952322 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inappropriate Keys Sold Here
< 1318986453 203577 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't ever think for one moment that you have won.
< 1318986485 609046 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1318987096 41589 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of wish where could be used in expressions
< 1318987120 639151 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the lowest possible "precedence"
< 1318987162 532707 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that breaks the translation of where to a let around all of the cases/guards of a function
< 1318987224 492865 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least complicates the rules for that
< 1318987241 43247 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you'd have to distinguish between a "function-level where" as well as an "expression where"
< 1318987310 63223 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I would really only want that kind of where because it makes lets look nicer when using lambdabot...
< 1318987319 443717 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any other context there are plenty of functions to append wheres to.
< 1318987449 785843 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe lambdabot Haskell could have its own special where. :)
< 1318987671 838851 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: there are also case block wheres
< 1318987674 779461 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bluh, I'm currently wrestling with Haskell...
< 1318987688 221114 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: don't do it. Haskell always wins.
< 1318987699 24200 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Static typing isn't really my friend.
< 1318987719 768144 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally hugs does allow such an expression where in interactive expressions
< 1318987760 603386 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: what's wrong?
< 1318987807 285442 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obvious guess 1:  needs a fromIntegral
< 1318987877 194932 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly needs an explicit type signature somewhere as well.
< 1318987891 127582 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I knew what was wrong, I would have fixed it.
< 1318987892 494627 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the penultimate level for Super ASCII MZX Town Part II, some guy gives you 100 torches, 100 points of health, 100 points of ammunition, and a multimeter; none of which will help you in the least bit. Actually, if you are not careful, these items are what causes you to lose
< 1318987930 25841 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: what is GHC complaining about?
< 1318987932 997449 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: well what is the error message :P
< 1318987947 398923 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(last step before asking for full code paste)
< 1318987961 102900 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, well first this: http://hpaste.org/52832 is how it was the last time I pasted it.
< 1318987978 881531 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I get "couldn't match IO Bool against Maybe Bool".
< 1318988097 641862 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: Static typing absolutely is your friend!
< 1318988101 24179 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the type of editorJustResized?
< 1318988113 481250 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :EditorState -> Bool
< 1318988115 272370 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: You have an actual type error in your program; it's being caught at compile-time instead of at runtime, but it's still there.
< 1318988128 312509 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In other cases it's not your friend, of course. But IO foo is very different from foo.)
< 1318988129 440957 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: I don't think you need to pattern match currentState then
< 1318988145 929957 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, maybe you do...
< 1318988154 89792 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I do. It's a Maybe IO EditorState.
< 1318988155 785526 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case justResized is not a Bool.
< 1318988160 654475 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1318988163 711412 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my problem.
< 1318988177 368945 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: oh.  you have Maybe and IO _nested_ there.
< 1318988177 904936 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your problem
< 1318988190 612953 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ahahah what oerjan said
< 1318988196 546475 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fmap applies only to the Maybe part
< 1318988200 930304 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that I need a Bool and I have an IO Bool.
< 1318988212 686784 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: sounds like a job for a bind or fmap.
< 1318988218 299999 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But isn't currentState an IO EditorState?
< 1318988221 575002 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait no.
< 1318988224 795454 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I matched on (Just currentState).
< 1318988238 641654 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i misread
< 1318988249 339944 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: yes you want to either use fmap or >>= or some higher-order construction to access the bool for the second part.
< 1318988264 567289 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: Here's a Bool:
< 1318988265 437901 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True
< 1318988269 737687 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION solves problem.

< 1318988278 833173 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's another one: False
< 1318988280 382932 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Thanks, it's my favourite Bool. :)
< 1318988280 850671 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: if currentState is an IO EditorState, Lift the Justs out before the do
< 1318988288 150057 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck, I don't want your False.
< 1318988295 438468 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: That's Pretty Much(*) all the Bools there are.
< 1318988304 790641 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for FileNotFound.
< 1318988315 427 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of _|_, but that works.
< 1318988334 682689 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: hm i think justResized definitely should be a Bool, there...
< 1318988335 259997 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: oh.... duh
< 1318988339 306878 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: since that do is within the Maybe monad, and you want it within the IO monad?? but it's within the maybe monad?????? because you're doing it wrong. because you didn't do it right.
< 1318988353 642135 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: remove the maybe from the return type, and get rid of the Just?
< 1318988357 130798 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I'm not doing it right and I'm trying to learn how to do it right.
< 1318988364 223733 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's already partial anyways, no point in propagating the Maybe
< 1318988365 541659 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ooh that's it!
< 1318988387 118621 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It needs to be a Maybe because processEvent can fail for other kinds of events...
< 1318988388 700758 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man why is this even Maybe (IO ...)
< 1318988392 60430 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1318988392 560679 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: start with = Just $ do   and remove the Justs on the results :P
< 1318988400 675189 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1318988401 378377 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's what I suggested earlier!!!
< 1318988401 569808 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: so do you catch the Nothing case?
< 1318988409 682533 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, elsewhere.
< 1318988411 231495 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that where you got the idea.....
< 1318988412 119166 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1318988412 504372 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just `fmap` do
< 1318988419 5988 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I got my idea from your idea
< 1318988423 182311 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it was Maybe (IO ...)
< 1318988426 564431 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(good ideas)
< 1318988428 988231 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1318988430 324769 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: * Just `fmap` do
< 1318988440 80253 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's what he wants.
< 1318988440 473905 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just <$> do
< 1318988443 186889 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1318988449 181586 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap
< 1318988456 290775 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't Just <$> do make a IO (Maybe ...)
< 1318988459 685038 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1318988460 610214 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1318988472 471545 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this is what he really wants and he doesn't know what's good for him
< 1318988478 815721 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe.
< 1318988488 445825 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric := Just $ do  should type, at least, i think
< 1318988500 740110 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just $ do ...  will type yes.
< 1318988527 522254 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so factoring out the Just is a good thing at least.
< 1318988555 332697 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's a better way to handle the Maybe stuff though.
< 1318988560 247171 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably with something from Data.Maybe
< 1318988576 242165 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, works.
< 1318988596 53014 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: you're not only factoring out the Just but making it type correctly. :P
< 1318988600 83588 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was gonna change it to MaybeT when I figured out some stuff.
< 1318988613 411292 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle MaybeT
< 1318988613 778701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Maybe maybeToList :: Maybe a -> [a]
< 1318988634 464479 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think MaybeT is standard actually.
< 1318988638 915463 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is in hackage
< 1318988649 183348 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in Control.Monad.Maybe. And yeah, not standard.
< 1318988650 650646 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MaybeT IO a ~ IO (Maybe a)
< 1318988661 57287 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, so observant.
< 1318988675 638585 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Then that's probably not what I'm actually going for. I dunno.
< 1318988676 723005 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most observant, observantest
< 1318988687 581848 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what are you going
< 1318988728 646038 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: MaybeT is like Maybe except it's the transformer... so probably is what you want
< 1318988731 808359 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want a transformer.
< 1318988738 651478 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't like shachaf confuse you. :P
< 1318988741 273482 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Maybe (IO EditorState) is "maybe you have an editor state IO, and maybe you don't".
< 1318988748 976683 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: i'd say it's pretty likely you want something closer to -> IO (Maybe EditorState) than -> Maybe (IO EditorState)
< 1318988750 973795 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Huh? I wasn't bein' confusin', was I?
< 1318988754 783857 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas IO (Maybe EditorState) is "you have an IO maybe editorstate maybe not".
< 1318988765 194468 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well, for some interpretations of "~" :P
< 1318988769 95241 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it doesn't really matter.
< 1318988784 224056 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Oh, I didn't mean Haskell ~. I meant "isomorphic".
< 1318988797 675354 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for the implementation of Monad, I guess.
< 1318988798 76337 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: IO (Maybe ...) might be a little more convenient to deal with actually.
< 1318988811 194920 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1318988813 463719 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: ^^^
< 1318988822 926032 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop having equal-length names.
< 1318988869 46797 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: if you want the question of whether you have Nothing or Just ... to depend on IO results, then you probably need IO (Maybe ...)
< 1318988870 385904 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: anyway you don't need maybe in that function at all
< 1318988895 385519 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're only matching the Just case, and you're always returning Just ...
< 1318988901 337441 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, there are other cases.
< 1318988911 615851 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1318988911 762417 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just one event.
< 1318988916 450067 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :event?
< 1318988921 355101 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also if you want the actually result IO to be performed in there...
< 1318988926 480855 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right that too
< 1318988934 363295 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nothing" means "end the application", while "Just someState" means "move on to someState".
< 1318988961 540410 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are better ways to do that
< 1318988964 638346 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :without using maybe
< 1318988967 90680 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: use io
< 1318988991 908333 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :error is good if you don't mind killing everything. :P
< 1318989000 563751 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't use error.......
< 1318989001 794968 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mind. :P
< 1318989004 37571 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise IO is good.
< 1318989038 849011 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :exceptions are good.
< 1318989082 934748 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now I have run (Just currentState) = do ...; events <- ...; let newState = processEvents events (Just currentState); run newState
< 1318989092 274962 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: No, Maybe is great for that?
< 1318989096 190156 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never
< 1318989098 374847 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And run Nothing = return ()
< 1318989102 330630 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what you want.
< 1318989115 680726 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i meant relative to the way evincar was doing it
< 1318989122 494327 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo it'd be better to use IO (Maybe ...)
< 1318989128 206910 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This just seemed like a straightforward way of going about it.
< 1318989133 578347 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :note you could also do something like  when (isJust maybeState) ...
< 1318989138 840527 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of the case.
< 1318989149 520120 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src when
< 1318989149 880376 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when p s = if p then s else return ()
< 1318989158 765485 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait
< 1318989159 769600 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhh
< 1318989167 797976 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah?? depends on what you're doing elsewhere
< 1318989183 415549 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could be doing something really whack!!
< 1318989186 307775 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO is evil.
< 1318989193 108770 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO is essential.
< 1318989193 655352 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So anyway, this isn't a super-important program.
< 1318989216 223330 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm mainly writing it to learn how the SDL bindings differ in Haskell from C.
< 1318989223 849497 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah but he's using it anyway so unless he refactors that too...
< 1318989232 474677 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: you should check out the stuff in Data.Maybe, also Control.Monad has some good conditional if-statement-like things.
< 1318989243 766375 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I'll look into it.
< 1318989253 980224 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad.Loops
< 1318989259 202649 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fromMaybe in particular is good.
< 1318989260 701253 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad.Cont
< 1318989270 901859 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fromMaybe 3 Nothing
< 1318989271 888772 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  3
< 1318989275 308167 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fromMaybe 3 (Just 4)
< 1318989276 125205 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  4
< 1318989283 521358 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe is good too
< 1318989285 677318 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t maybe
< 1318989286 654555 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b a. b -> (a -> b) -> Maybe a -> b
< 1318989287 903327 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes more general.
< 1318989292 317717 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :One program that's given me no trouble, and has been a lot of fun, is writing a symphony using Data.WAVE.
< 1318989331 651018 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just generating some samples, writing them to a file, and seeing what I can do.
< 1318989339 163720 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd love to write a mixer in Haskell.
< 1318989344 461251 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like the perfect language for it.
< 1318989347 146698 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :combined with things like when/unless in IO and you've got pretty sane error-checking.
< 1318989349 868885 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: oh?
< 1318989361 684583 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'd want the type IO (Maybe a)
< 1318989396 669596 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll see what restructuring I can do...
< 1318989406 140608 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't restructure in bad ways
< 1318989407 838397 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be bad
< 1318989418 910617 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what git is for.
< 1318989433 329111 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks git
< 1318989440 106174 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: would MonadIO be a good idea?
< 1318989447 578437 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he did Maybe (IO ...)?
< 1318989452 726646 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :really he should flip them...
< 1318989468 397725 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll keep you folk posted. :P
< 1318989468 996600 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows
< 1318989479 652511 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually there's no MonadIO instance for Maybe by default apparently.
< 1318989492 830306 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't know because we don't know his stuff
< 1318989503 507519 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you.... don't know about MonadIO?
< 1318989505 536634 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I was thinking today about writing a concatenative language with dependent typing.
< 1318989512 588372 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like a bad idea.
< 1318989525 594771 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i know monadio but not if it would be a good idea for him to use it
< 1318989533 605285 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: and i have a feeling he doesn't know either
< 1318989546 872033 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: hmmmmm?
< 1318989549 797191 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: i am somewhat worried about whether your current design ever actually _runs_ currentState.  it seems from what you've said so far that you are only building up a bigger IO action, never to run it, and then maybe even discarding it when hitting run Nothing.
< 1318989551 367395 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, pretty new to Haskell.
< 1318989562 59439 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: iss that that old language of yours?
< 1318989589 524562 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that the other one
< 1318989590 195268 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The program seems to be working...well, not for resizing, actually. But for all of the non-IO events. Ugh.
< 1318989590 537039 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or both
< 1318989593 998548 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh right. good point.
< 1318989597 612053 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: How would there be an instance Maybe MonadIO?
< 1318989601 300684 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I have lots of language ideas...
< 1318989605 244571 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: er.... magic.
< 1318989606 771483 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them I don't even work on.
< 1318989615 853647 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: (Other than the flipped arguments.)
< 1318989630 279183 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: well you talked a bunch about concatenative and dependent typing
< 1318989633 242221 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I didn't think about that. :P
< 1318989662 560625 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it depends on whether or not he uses >>= with Maybe.
< 1318989667 324982 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Oh, those were two separate projects. I'm doing research involving dependent typing, and my most recent hobby language is concatenative.
< 1318989669 488913 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the paste we saw he isn't.
< 1318989695 469611 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but any m >>= returnsNothingFunction
< 1318989698 399154 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :discards everything.
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< 1318989746 745797 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: yeah IO (Maybe a) is a good idea you should switch to that immediately.
< 1318989817 874977 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, will do.
< 1318989929 758892 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: i think as a general rule your argument shouldn't be of type IO EditorState if you want it to already have run by that point.
< 1318990029 229505 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense.
< 1318990048 603769 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it seems to me that when run calls processEvent, you already know it's a Just, so you don't really need processEvent's argument to be a Maybe either.
< 1318990096 769233 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i brought this up but then he said there are more cases so
< 1318990152 755489 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a function "processEvents" that calls processEvent for each event in the queue.
< 1318990170 402020 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It passes the state returned by the last call to processEvent.
< 1318990174 293347 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1318990188 21546 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So...yeah.
< 1318990194 31884 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Context is important.
< 1318990203 756283 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i missed the s :P
< 1318990215 891298 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :argument should be of type Maybe whatever not Maybe (IO whatever) i think??  that would be better?? help
< 1318990226 375173 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i think so
< 1318990292 767585 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. But to call setVideoMode in response to a VideoResize event, I need the IO. Somewhere.
< 1318990296 763412 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably outside the Maybe.
< 1318990299 610023 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: although does processEvent _ Nothing do anything other than return () ?
< 1318990309 510199 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Nope.
< 1318990316 243187 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I could catch that earlier.
< 1318990318 222549 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good call.
< 1318990364 452858 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1318990375 460055 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: yeah always remove Maybes as soon as they're no longer needed.
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< 1318990406 117880 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: typically the monad-wrapped thingy goes only on the final return value of a functiony thingy
< 1318990413 731028 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle [a -> m (Maybe a)] -> a -> m (Maybe a)
< 1318990414 162037 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found
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< 1318990432 288091 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some function which does that?
< 1318990441 806876 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's in one of the arguments (and not as the return of a function which is an argument) it's likely you're doing something wrong
< 1318990446 627100 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1318990489 315015 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how does it determine which function in the list to call?
< 1318990500 791747 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :by whether or not the inner Maybe is Just/Nothing?
< 1318990515 383205 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: it does them in order, as long as none return Nothing...
< 1318990523 560533 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1318990529 521853 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like......
< 1318990541 550228 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :an fmap and a sequence... in some kind of combination.
< 1318990548 88478 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of.
< 1318990560 262473 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like msum
< 1318990564 411049 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1318990582 802348 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fmap and sequence? you mean like mapM?
< 1318990602 679020 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah ls a = msum $ fmap ($a) ls
< 1318990604 53437 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1318990604 241794 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or traverse if you want that)
< 1318990612 693239 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t msum
< 1318990613 685998 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a. (MonadPlus m) => [m a] -> m a
< 1318990617 784162 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er no
< 1318990618 947406 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's essentially sequence with the right Monad wrapping
< 1318990622 345345 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all nested and stuff.
< 1318990634 337803 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :StateT a (MaybeT m)
< 1318990657 873390 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sequence
< 1318990658 781443 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a. (Monad m) => [m a] -> m [a]
< 1318990662 740349 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm oh...
< 1318990667 604129 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t unfoldrM
< 1318990668 468983 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `unfoldrM'
< 1318990676 196584 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle unfoldr
< 1318990676 471425 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.ByteString unfoldr :: (a -> Maybe (Word8, a)) -> a -> ByteString
< 1318990676 816660 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List unfoldr :: (b -> Maybe (a, b)) -> b -> [a]
< 1318990676 816853 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.ByteString.Char8 unfoldr :: (a -> Maybe (Char, a)) -> a -> ByteString
< 1318990684 739118 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1318990822 834242 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also nearly foldM, i think
< 1318990956 951500 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldM
< 1318990957 873958 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b (m :: * -> *). (Monad m) => (a -> b -> m a) -> a -> [b] -> m a
< 1318990990 636021 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we had processEvent :: EditorState -> SDL.Event -> MaybeT IO EditorState
< 1318991015 898706 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we could simply have processEvents = foldM processEvent
< 1318991100 797015 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :processEvents :: EditorState -> [SDL.Event] -> MaybeT IO EditorState
< 1318991106 671204 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently it's just processEvents (e:es) currentState = do newState ← processEvent e currentState; processEvents es (Just newState)
< 1318991114 987879 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus the cases for Nothing and [].
< 1318991125 141202 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could definitely be cleaned up. :P
< 1318991136 324024 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that won't type for one thing
< 1318991165 505577 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh?
< 1318991168 873805 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's [SDL.Event] -> Maybe (IO EditorState) -> Maybe (IO EditorState)
< 1318991192 401326 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in that case you'd want (Just currentState) in the argument
< 1318991238 191342 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, when I change it, yeah, I'll fix up where the Maybes go.
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< 1318992204 246954 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the fire alarm went off at 2:30 last night.
< 1318992232 277186 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in such a deep sleep that I was mentally wrong till midday.
< 1318992240 546701 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-115.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Malaria vaccine! Praise be to science.
< 1318992251 597482 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, waking up so suddenly was...oh, great.
< 1318992274 29319 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What hath science wrought? A goddamn malaria vaccine, that's what, and you're welcome.
< 1318992301 759972 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-115.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, it appears to only have 50% efficacy. But hey, it's a goddamn malaria vaccine that's done with clinical trials.
< 1318992303 983051 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, long story short, for a while I couldn't see or remember faces.
< 1318992324 139004 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, I looked at my friend, and her face was just not there.
< 1318992329 378139 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I couldn't remember anybody's face.
< 1318992355 335960 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just some weird perceptual issues...it wore off.
< 1318994170 687902 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently one of my YouTube subscribers saw me the other day and didn't say anything.
< 1318994175 547638 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :She didn't want to be creepy...
< 1318994185 797477 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and yet somehow managed it.
< 1318994292 200573 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu QUIT :Quit: Food and sleep.
< 1318994299 750181 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :help the only good desktop environment is doing things I'm not entirely comfortable with.
< 1318994383 567152 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-115.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one is that?
< 1318994455 493480 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@, of course.  he is not comfortable with it not existing.
< 1318994455 780182 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: . ? @ v
< 1318994486 193327 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Gnome. Specifically the transition from 2 to 3. the only desktop environment I know about that is good, and now they're CHANGING THINGS.
< 1318994491 584364 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is scared.

< 1318994514 513294 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best desktop environment is no desktop environment
< 1318994519 334290 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy wisdom courtesy of monqy
< 1318994531 264840 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-115.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I suggest XFCE.
< 1318994537 175353 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tautological monqy is tautological
< 1318994549 453113 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: not as configurable, but similar interface I guess.
< 1318994552 260067 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-115.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It ain't shitting rainbows, but it exhibits suck in limited ways.
< 1318994558 173728 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, should that be paradoxical
< 1318994571 59473 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tautological monqy is paradoxical
< 1318994571 206677 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes it's paradoxical sort of.
< 1318994572 823639 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what now
< 1318994587 965942 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but definitely not tautological.
< 1318994592 59253 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :tautological is tautological.
< 1318994597 3539 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas paradoxical is not paradoxical.
< 1318994795 305202 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps during Christmas break
< 1318994798 212854 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I have time to do such things
< 1318994800 905677 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll switch to xmonad?
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< 1318994898 668405 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god, what has happened to me
< 1318994903 227381 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading a Gnome 3 vs Unity flamewar
< 1318994904 367742 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHYYYY
< 1318994957 265619 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it good
< 1318995057 819853 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..no
< 1318995076 438342 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww
< 1318995086 300466 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is openSUSE good?
< 1318995095 19566 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows
< 1318995113 433614 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need someone to formulate opinions for me. I don't have time for this crap.
< 1318995113 580259 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :& why do you ask
< 1318995120 970519 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am considering switching distros
< 1318995127 412013 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess Ubuntu + xmonad would be fine.
< 1318995181 229769 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe Debian is a better distro when going with non-standard options? I really don't know.
< 1318995223 428977 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xmonad works for me (good stuff).  i don't care so much about distros so long as they don't get in my way or impose things I don't like
< 1318995239 487098 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm pretty annoyed that a lot of Ubuntu packages are out of date. Though I doubt Debian fixes this.
< 1318995262 364870 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a rolling debian right
< 1318995264 239777 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that fix it
< 1318995281 551284 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea.
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< 1318995463 745800 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what do you use?
< 1318995525 89944 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im a bad person to ask about that
< 1318995538 137617 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i didn't really bother comparing things
< 1318995542 139317 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anything
< 1318995615 453229 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :went archlinux. it works well enough but sometimes i feel maybe i should have tried more things. might not work for other people? who knows.
< 1318995746 426130 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd probably be fine with debian testing or something. probably not so fine with ubuntu. ubuntu seems like one of those things i wouldn't like.
< 1318995826 633437 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: how often do you have to manually install things?
< 1318995859 183350 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe once or twice ever
< 1318995898 424910 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and of course for things that aren't wellknown at all and wouldn't be on any package managers at all or anything really tiny things
< 1318995936 141186 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but usuaully they're either int he normal packagerepositorys or aur but aur kind of makes me feel bad too but less than doing things manually
< 1318995945 224849 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well to give you some examples neither perl nor GHC are up-to-date in Ubuntu repos
< 1318995952 827310 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh
< 1318995957 511925 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody have recommendations in the area of custom-built (but not DIY) PCs w/ no OS (or a free OS)?
< 1318995985 202065 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :archlinux is usually pretty good about up to date packages i think? but recently it's been kind of bad about ghc. haven't checked in a while though.
< 1318996107 863657 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's still 7.0.3 :(  been flagged out of date for months now
< 1318996130 172645 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nearly four months is that
< 1318996132 536223 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im bad at months
< 1318996136 752064 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and numbers
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< 1318998797 466946 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I'm bad at time
< 1318999459 965689 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too
< 1319001076 831630 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe.....
< 1319001080 501758 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should try KDE?
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< 1319002183 285791 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-115.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: DIY is easy. :P
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< 1319002876 178481 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: can you make xmonad look fancy?
< 1319002901 653473 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a sucker for fancy things (that don't have shitty interfaces.  see: most fancy looking desktop environments)
< 1319002923 815729 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy? what's taht
< 1319002950 10797 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it doesn't matter.
< 1319002953 42533 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably can make it fancy but
< 1319002955 349177 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you
< 1319003007 369516 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because oooooh aaaaaah
< 1319003020 418653 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :????
< 1319003023 409831 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does fancy even mean
< 1319003036 704850 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy is funny confused by such simple words.
< 1319003063 524064 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you want
< 1319003067 223005 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why
< 1319003073 509189 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1319003081 653212 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess something similar to gnome-panel
< 1319003090 840330 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as that is what I like about gnome.
< 1319003109 943633 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically being able to have cpu usage / memory / network / disk usage meters
< 1319003123 904520 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and notifications for some programs are nice but not necessary
< 1319003128 741654 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like IM and Skype and stuff.
< 1319003142 331756 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do panely things if you get something external to do them
< 1319003156 812893 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as.... gnome-panel?
< 1319003161 490163 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: can you make my life look fancy?
< 1319003163 746407 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: halp
< 1319003166 908566 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1319003265 693867 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i don't know if you can get gnome panel to work!! but you can use xmonad as a window manager within destkop environments if you want desktop environments but why do you want desktop enviornments
< 1319003286 163680 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't
< 1319003313 837650 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try xmonad out during Christmas break when I'm tinkering with my system and if I find it easy to use I might start using it.
< 1319003347 908727 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt I'll want many features from gnome if I do switch. I do like having CPU, memory, network, and disk meters
< 1319003350 946149 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :very handy.
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< 1319003391 741662 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you wouldn't be getting those from xmonad you'd be getting those from something else you'd hook up to xmonad
< 1319003423 578945 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand that much.
< 1319003451 717973 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you use a mouse, at all?
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< 1319004149 384085 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have a gnome-panel running too; that's what I do.
< 1319004157 210593 :ive!~nn@189.179.247.113 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319004158 605237 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1319004163 352039 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though mostly to hold the indicator-applet thingies.
< 1319004229 304478 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a lot of people use xmobar or dzen2 to stuff their screens full of all kinds of custom gadgets. (I have a set of dzen2 panels as workspace-listers.)
< 1319004766 105338 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Set of == one per screen; because of getting used to Awesome before XMonad, I do the IndependentScreens thing to give each screen a separate set of workspaces. (The XMonad default is to have a shared set of workspaces, with each screen showing one; and then if you try to switch to the one visible on another screen, it swaps those two instead.))
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< 1319005209 457370 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is happening in the world of esoteric programming?
< 1319005274 316254 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno
< 1319005279 53893 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :check the recent changes on the wiki
< 1319005322 550692 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's piece of trivia: Commodore wanted their 1660 model modem to be able to do tone dialing (in addition to pulse), but didn't want to bother building that in; so they took the previous model (1650), added a cable from the C64/C128 audio output to the modem, and made it generate the DTMF tones using the SID sound chip.
< 1319005554 78218 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-115.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How Commodore-like of them.
< 1319005740 129481 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Micro_Designs "In July of that year, production and sale of several of their products was taken over by Click Here Software Co. which as of 2008 is no longer fulfilling orders, due to an expired distribution license and his shop roof has a major leak."
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< 1319007187 497329 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still using one workspace all the time.
< 1319007197 144782 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't gotten into the habit of using the four that I have set.
< 1319007208 199558 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here
< 1319007212 118448 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to use them all
< 1319007217 312894 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i lost the habit
< 1319007316 260020 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh look I just found the tiling options in gnome
< 1319007322 228547 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl+alt+numpadkey
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< 1319010941 380328 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> succ `id` 5
< 1319010942 337851 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  6
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< 1319013444 616727 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: -gasp-
< 1319013494 483209 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (+) `id` 2 `id` 2
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< 1319013605 384645 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a more ... conventional... infixl apply operator?
< 1319013725 219485 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, spaces.
< 1319013828 948821 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or make your own.
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< 1319018796 67390 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log Stephen Colbert
< 1319018800 195625 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log Stephen Colbert
< 1319018801 81613 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log Stephen Colbert
< 1319018801 738461 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log Stephen Colbert
< 1319018833 472981 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1319018833 692547 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1319018833 839281 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1319018844 330630 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-10-19.txt:10:06:36:  `log Stephen Colbert
< 1319018897 137354 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log (?i)stephen colbert
< 1319018902 872143 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1319018907 436110 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonsense
< 1319019565 507074 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a way to apply poisons to weapons/ammo in df
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< 1319020987 469635 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: DIY is easy. :P
< 1319020994 735513 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have built every computer I've used since I was 12.
< 1319021001 10348 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My policy is now "fuck DIY"
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< 1319021275 302888 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: `log is already case-insensitive (it's egrep -i -- "$1") by default, and probably doesn't do (?i).
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< 1319025820 744854 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://whotookspaz.org/~anmaster/tmp/emu10k1.png <-- crazy mixer controls for my sound card.
< 1319025837 409231 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(stitched multiple screenshots, because this is too wide for my monitor...)
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< 1319026646 867088 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a lot of identical-looking names there.
< 1319026817 270992 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Compare: http://users.ics.tkk.fi/htkallas/bt878.png
< 1319026882 582478 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, in "All" mode it's got a total of five.)
< 1319027709 336768 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: heh
< 1319027726 353827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: anyway that is playback. Why does it have capture boost in playback?
< 1319027737 294353 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why nothing playback related!?
< 1319027798 463022 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: anyway I think ALSA cut some names short in my mixer screenshot. And there is one Wave for playback and one for capture. Both named Wave
< 1319027840 438911 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :amixer | grep '^[^ ]'   gives slightly longer names.
< 1319027872 861031 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an old analog TV card, which is why it doesn't have any playback controls. Not sure what capture boost is doing there, though.
< 1319027952 224116 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The capture side has a 0-100 "Capture" volume control, and three sources ("FM", "Mic/Line", "TV Tuner") with no actual controls, but of which you can pick one.
< 1319027963 531452 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that amixer command just list one of the Wave controls
< 1319028130 599980 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think it groups them.
< 1319028135 324817 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: anyway this is what I get for each card: http://sprunge.us/MFID
< 1319028138 93552 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow there are a lot of broken links on Wikipedia
< 1319028209 592042 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet if you took out all of the unsources material on Wikipedia it would be at least 3/4 the size.
< 1319028213 253310 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*unsourced
< 1319028236 460027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: card 0 is some on board intel HD audio thingy, card 1 is the sb live, and card 2 is some sort of hdmi audio thingy my GPU provides
< 1319028377 638386 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it groups; if you don't grep, there's stuff like
< 1319028380 110063 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simple mixer control 'IEC958',0
< 1319028380 257557 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined cswitch cswitch-joined penum
< 1319028388 928763 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's p-as-in-playback and c-as-in-capture both.
< 1319028466 697045 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an almost identical list on the motherboard-integrated thing, except I don't have "Auto-Mute Mode" or "Rear Mic"/"Rear Mic Boost", but I do have a "Channel Mode" selector that can be switched between "6ch" and "8ch".
< 1319028495 284130 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Card: HDA ATI SB, chip: Realtek ALC888".)
< 1319028520 400703 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird, the HDMI output has disappeared.
< 1319028551 464907 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, I've disabled the motherboard-integrated graphics thing, and the GF7600 only has 2*DVI.
< 1319028661 298034 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall that the USB audio stick I have had all kinds of outputs as far as the mixer saw, which is interesting since it only has two holes in it, physically. (One does combined 3.5mm headphone/line out / optical S/PDIF out, and the other is a mic in.)
< 1319028904 401555 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: imy GPU has one digital-only DVI and one digital-and-analogue DVI. And then it also has one HDMI and one DisplayPort
< 1319028910 694254 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my*
< 1319028977 2979 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, the motherboard-integrated chip has the whole triplet of VGA, DVI and HDMI, and of those only one can be active at a time.
< 1319029156 832570 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose your card can do triplehead-on-DVI+DVI+HDMI either? I think ATI's EyeFinity is strictly limited so that in triplehead configurations, one of the three monitors must be DisplayPort, and specifically active DisplayPort, not just using a passive adapter.
< 1319029176 778370 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least officially, anyway.
< 1319029384 307285 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The hardware can only generate two TMDS (i.e. DVI/HDMI) signals simultaneously, so the third connection must be a real DP link, not the "Dual mode" push-TMDS-through-the-pins thing.)
< 1319029440 830923 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was almost considering swapping a new GPU to the old desktop box for proper third-monitor support, but none of my monitors do DisplayPort, and active DP adapter cost absurdly much.
< 1319029879 224165 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1319030763 931341 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Meyer's supporters continue to claim that he was assassinated by 'Big Oil', Arab death squads, Belgian assassins, or the US Government in order to suppress his inventions."
< 1319030768 766243 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe even "all of the above".
< 1319030942 152678 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm addicted to caffeine.
< 1319030944 621757 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :officially.
< 1319030966 219477 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame my technical writing class and my perpetual writer's block.
< 1319031033 538920 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actually once I get into this paper it moves pretty quickly.
< 1319031050 810826 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the assignment was to write a letter report recommending a product/service/whatever.
< 1319031062 981506 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I'm convincing a hypothetical company to switch from hard disk drives to solid state.
< 1319031072 595666 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy enough, and something I can of enjoy researching.
< 1319031077 580768 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/can/kind of/
< 1319031089 23792 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I know my card can do EyeFinity at least
< 1319031101 583448 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note to self: thoroughly proofread paper for sleep deprivation artifacts)
< 1319031114 46332 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note to self: drink more caffeine)
< 1319031123 253346 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: You should recommend #esoteric, the international hub for exoteric voodoo programming design and deployment, to some company.
< 1319031137 334871 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat no
< 1319031139 355062 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a terrible idea
< 1319031146 669786 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need like... sources... and convincing evidence.
< 1319031154 184179 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a graphic of some kind, that I create.
< 1319031158 640756 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ <- convincing evidence.
< 1319031170 553272 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION used a table for this one because tables are easy and relevant to doing things like comparisons.

< 1319031226 110116 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What would you say if you had to pitch yourself as a business proposal to a company?
< 1319031226 458540 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but actually, the printed version and the unstripped version, aside from the great axioms there....
< 1319031262 381759 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Yeah, focusing on your great axioms is a good idea. I'm not sure I'd go with a printout though.
< 1319031262 591426 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: maybe if i just stop feeding it
< 1319031310 566859 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Uh... then it'll go hungry? Excuse me, did we just switch the topic or something? IDGI.
< 1319031310 904979 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the vm doesn't absolutely needs continuations. gambit limits you to 20 channels.
< 1319031324 336672 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :NURR SO CONFUSED NURR
< 1319031324 967779 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god somebody kill me.
< 1319031335 231209 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have two tests to study for, and a paper to finish in....
< 1319031337 222064 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :1:30 hours
< 1319031360 121537 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... I get like maybe another hour at the most if I cram/finish-paper in my other class
< 1319031423 734846 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is master of procrastination.

< 1319031430 885574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :get started
< 1319031433 755024 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am
< 1319031436 38841 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :already
< 1319031437 695311 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :started
< 1319031442 17966 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :get working
< 1319031446 177896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stop talking on irc instead
< 1319031446 622096 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm... taking a break.
< 1319031451 600489 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to clear my mind
< 1319031454 118613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no time to take a break
< 1319031462 322550 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM A MASTER OKAY.
< 1319031468 373676 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING CLEARING YOUR MIND IS GOOD
< 1319031477 145476 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO TIME NO TIME HUP HUP HUP GIT R DONE GO GO GO
< 1319031490 545280 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fly, you fool.
< 1319031493 366326 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(s).
< 1319031532 793827 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just want me to stop talking don't you
< 1319031534 992996 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :asshole.
< 1319031584 633607 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude this table is such an effective means of comparison
< 1319031589 816323 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :she would be crazy not to give me mad points.
< 1319031595 161085 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so good.
< 1319031651 749532 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should FILL IT WITH CREAM.
< 1319031672 543675 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.... I'm trying to
< 1319031677 746435 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :connect that to something I said
< 1319031679 723795 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a logical way
< 1319031680 403303 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1319031684 170989 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :am having trouble doing that.
< 1319031693 800608 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A table. It has holes. A hole. You fill it. With cream.
< 1319031712 832977 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :tables have holes?
< 1319031736 679114 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, cells.
< 1319031752 91880 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no.
< 1319031753 894583 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :white
< 1319031761 330803 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the header row is gray.
< 1319031765 590064 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :NICE AND SIMPLE.
< 1319031776 729099 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should add some CHARTJUNK. Everything's better with some.
< 1319031800 649692 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chartjunk-example.svg <- BEST CHART
< 1319031809 268888 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no distracting colors to distraact you from that raw information mind virus being sexually transmitted to your brain
< 1319031855 837743 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god what is this.
< 1319031861 765252 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :man I must be a master of charts
< 1319031864 633718 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because mine are so simple.
< 1319031901 229455 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude I would love for my kidney to like fail right now.
< 1319031907 648687 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would give me SOOOOO MUUUUCH TIIIIIME
< 1319031910 182647 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to finish everything.
< 1319031932 468477 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if I drink more soda
< 1319031932 652992 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly you can poke a kidney-related I/O memory bit.
< 1319031974 750718 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I still need to scrounge up enough money so that I can buy a car tomorrow.
< 1319032016 486765 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I have like a week and 3 days or so to make a website with Django.
< 1319032017 897636 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT NEVER ENDS
< 1319032036 694614 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL NEVER SLEEP EVER AGAIN.
< 1319032096 470883 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this writing class isn't too bad aside from the large amounts of work.
< 1319032112 89712 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's way better than the english composition classes and high school lit classes and shit.
< 1319032137 549809 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lists, graphics, tables, headings, etc are completely valid and take up so much of the requirement space.
< 1319032145 169240 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*required
< 1319032153 886817 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lists just fucking eat pages.
< 1319032156 61730 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's great.
< 1319032169 543467 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I should have just written the entire thing as headings with lists
< 1319032177 310627 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a single table because I need one of those
< 1319032180 534813 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then my MLA junk at the bottom
< 1319032200 811036 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes dva to Django.
< 1319032222 997597 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to say, NixOS is *really* really nice. A bit buggy or incomplete in places, but then it is very much work in progress.
< 1319032251 798047 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, am I supposed to know what dva means?
< 1319032264 239003 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deflecting Vane Anemometer?
< 1319032268 817350 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Does it make more sense if I say "it takes два to Django"?
< 1319032276 573629 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, no.
< 1319032303 944348 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two, in Russian. It coinkydinky starts with d, like Django.
< 1319032313 722016 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1319032314 63630 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1319032314 640012 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1319032364 776025 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Russian is fucking lame. English is the best.
< 1319032366 413368 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know why?
< 1319032374 565580 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we pronounce use two different ways
< 1319032382 365323 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on whether or not it's a verb or a noun.
< 1319032407 659007 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, well, in American English anyway.
< 1319032411 52030 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be the same thing elsewhere.
< 1319032432 299955 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess phonetically it's the same sounds but maybe with slightly different stressing?
< 1319032460 76140 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait no one is z and one is s, in American English.
< 1319032474 726626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : because we pronounce use two different ways <-- ?
< 1319032478 908372 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which word? "two"?
< 1319032487 267700 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, use
< 1319032489 344743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319032493 203882 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :two different ways.
< 1319032500 203274 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: when is "use" a noun??
< 1319032523 98019 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Does it have any use as a noun?
< 1319032526 6735 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a definite use of the word "use" is that it can be used as a noun.
< 1319032529 449723 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1319032533 848930 :iamcal!u1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lrbtyupceqmgvciu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319032551 165829 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: you pronounce it differently as a verb and noun? wtf
< 1319032553 946600 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1319032566 875426 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"use, n. Pronunciation:  Brit. /juːs/ , U.S. /jus/ -- use, v. Pronunciation:  Brit. /juːz/ , U.S. /juz/" OED says it's different also for them Hexhammers.
< 1319032569 994752 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the verb one is more z-ish and the noun is softer with an s sound
< 1319032577 589503 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the noun one is also a bit faster I think.
< 1319032645 869461 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merriam-Webster doesn't list the distinction
< 1319032652 299583 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but dictionary.com does.
< 1319032657 139802 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/use
< 1319032683 168359 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhow, Russian "two" is два if you're counting masculine/neuter words, but две if you're counting feminine words. You don't even have much of a gender there in English-land, so THERE. (A-hem, not that Finnish does either.)
< 1319032710 886357 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow you're right
< 1319032720 110816 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish english had all of those unecessary cases.
< 1319032779 498982 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Russian is quite good at "unnecessary".
< 1319032782 174060 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"    In the nominative case, any noun becomes genitive singular. In the accusative case, only animate nouns become genitive singular.
< 1319032782 320916 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :        Две собаки, два кота, две книги и два журнала свалились со стола — Two dogs, two cats, two books and two journals fell from the table (all nouns here in genitive singular).
< 1319032782 321095 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :        Я вижу двух собак, двух котов, две книги и два журнала — I see two dogs, two cats, two books and two journals (all nouns here in accusative case, which is why dogs and cats are in genitive plural)."
< 1319032788 305555 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much sense.
< 1319032809 396887 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've had a total of one (1) course of it.)
< 1319032825 161431 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, uh, does no one else pronounce use differently in those two cases?
< 1319032829 952378 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's an American thing.
< 1319032850 13894 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: As mentioned, OED says it's a UK thing too.
< 1319032854 701551 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319032857 976784 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay cool.
< 1319032866 11052 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because pronouncing it only one way for every usage would be weird.
< 1319032870 232440 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about AU
< 1319032885 261655 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or NZ
< 1319032894 525416 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OED doesn't have en-au pronunciation examples, sadly.
< 1319032899 217292 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1319032914 985142 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah shit..
< 1319032929 444055 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember if my make-up quiz was schedule at 12:15 or 1:15
< 1319032931 494174 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuuuuuuuuck
< 1319032955 805966 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was 12
< 1319033138 389292 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish would just have different inflections there. "to use" = "käyttää" (first infinitive), "a use" = "käyttö" (singular nominative).
< 1319033496 138455 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1319033584 670633 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm not sure there is a direct single translation of "a use" to Swedish. It would differ by context. "ett användningsområde" maybe in some cases.
< 1319033594 419289 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "ett sätt att använda"
< 1319033606 332275 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which would literally be "a way to use")
< 1319033654 931982 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the literal translation of "en användning" sounds kind of awkward in several (but not all) the places where "a use" would be used in English
< 1319033697 857300 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a way to use also literally doesn't make much sense.
< 1319033702 558058 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more an idiom based on a metaphor.
< 1319033727 548203 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a way" in this case being a metaphorical path.
< 1319033766 822096 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess many languages also treat "a way" and "a path" to mean similar things in a metaphorical sense?
< 1319033771 882670 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay not literally, but very close to literally. In fact I'm not sure how to translate "ett sätt"
< 1319033786 150391 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't mean "a way" literally
< 1319033795 813520 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just happens to mean that specific sense of "a way"
< 1319033819 825875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would not travel along it, that would be "en väg" or such
< 1319033826 875691 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1319033838 540183 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, English is awesome.
< 1319033848 763081 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally INSPIRING AWE
< 1319033849 551442 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: no it proves that Swedish is better
< 1319033857 742625 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for not using the same word for botjh
< 1319033859 209941 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :both*
< 1319033885 558893 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think using one word for a billion different things makes the language more interesting
< 1319033897 589919 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically when writing literature or poetry.
< 1319033919 631427 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ambiguity can provide multiple interpretations.
< 1319033931 852087 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though clarity is nice too.
< 1319033974 104074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: also English is unsymmetric, you have more but fewer/less. There is a lack of symmetry there
< 1319034001 423097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swedish has proper symmetry for that case. mer/mindre for the more/less case and fler/färre for the more/fewer case
< 1319034025 887833 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :English is the most best at being very less not great
< 1319034038 440306 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error?
< 1319034047 547843 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for this interpreter. :P
< 1319034051 70597 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"very less not great"?
< 1319034055 809905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1319034061 20848 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry about it.
< 1319034063 569310 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1319034108 788230 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps if s/very/much/ it would make more sense.
< 1319034113 821391 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1319034131 22159 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it parses the same way
< 1319034145 506146 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're both the same part of speech with pretty much the same meaning.
< 1319034178 314183 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEAH THAT'S RIGHT. FUCK YEAAAAAH ENGLIIIIISH.
< 1319034180 736081 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: anyway if you want multiple interpretations you should try Swedish. We have some words that are written the same but depending on meaning are pronounced VERY slightly different. "anden" can mean "the duck" or "the genie". I think the difference is basically in which part gets emphasis.
< 1319034198 114204 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1319034207 909576 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will write a poem called anden
< 1319034212 886552 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will be about both a duck and a genie.
< 1319034222 486742 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :once I learn Swedish
< 1319034229 826030 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which should be easy to my monolingual brain.
< 1319034309 424225 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: there are a few more: "tomten" could mean either "the plot [of land]" or "the father christmas" (actually "tomte" is somewhat wider than that, I think father xmas basically got imported from US/UK culture and melded into local folklore concepts)
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< 1319034337 312761 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: note that these are not similar at all in non-definite form. "en and" (a duck) "en ande" (a genie)
< 1319034351 285244 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just they end up the same in definite form.
< 1319034359 790610 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which Swedish does by suffixes)
< 1319034408 242986 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pues, conozco un poco de espanol
< 1319034426 256481 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that is Spanish based on the word "espanol"
< 1319034431 319622 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what it means though
< 1319034435 581401 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pero solo un poco
< 1319034448 785521 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I took French not Spanish in high school.
< 1319034453 27332 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :should translate to "well, I know a little spanish"
< 1319034457 647504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I remember any of it
< 1319034458 468440 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :then "but only a little"
< 1319034462 348849 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure if that's correct usage.
< 1319034471 869007 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know pues is how they say "well" in that sense... as a kind of filler word.
< 1319034479 215125 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then conocer is to know a subject.
< 1319034482 251622 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :un poco is a little
< 1319034486 575072 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah.
< 1319034505 746804 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't mean you got the grammar right
< 1319034526 562155 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure that's how it works in spanish..
< 1319034535 825377 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1319034612 125427 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :indirect object may be wrong though
< 1319034617 525447 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, wait there is none :P
< 1319034620 837716 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319034660 217140 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"un poco espanol" wouldn't make sense. but "un poco de espanol" does
< 1319034767 320736 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo lo conozco!
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< 1319037384 612063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:31:49:  Vorpal: I also have a hg checkout of the logs apparently
< 1319037391 335986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: that's obsolete, there's rsync now
< 1319037399 30780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:33:06:  variable: ask fizzie for some useful scripts. Pulls from the old clog archive rather than Gregor's archive though
< 1319037407 347250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and therefore only downloads less than a year of logs
< 1319037553 625084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:51:53:  http://smuggle.intercal.org.uk/manual/input_output.html#binary
< 1319037559 279749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: binary IO that can't input 0?
< 1319037566 129845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319037567 232269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :padding
< 1319037568 533911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n/m
< 1319037579 446636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, padding
< 1319037653 207181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what /are/ preload names? I'm not Vorpal, so you should have an easier time explaining to me :P
< 1319037688 464219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:05:30:  I have a question: does anyone know why it was implemented like that? It seems a fairly stupid way to do it. Over-complicated. Is that perhaps the reason?
< 1319037698 596747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if it was implemented sensibly, it would be C-INTERCAL
< 1319037698 777937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they're basically bits of .io code (the bytecode that IACC/INTERCAL compile to) that get compiled/run before the program does
< 1319037707 460722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh
< 1319037723 524191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really want to draw a distinction between compiling and running in CLC-INTERCAL, it's too hard
< 1319037731 99601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and there's a built-in snippet named -X which is used to make C-INTERCAL emulate CLC?
< 1319037737 292996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you tell sick to "compile", all it really does is bundle everything together into a .io object
< 1319037767 537096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: -X is a command-line option that causes it to take the CLC-INTERCAL versions of some things rather than the C-INTERCAL versions, where they conflict
< 1319037802 45260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: erm, Vorpal asked whether it was an option and you said no, preload name
< 1319037809 774354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ick" is the preload name
< 1319037814 698355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes CLC-INTERCAL act like C-INTERCAL
< 1319037822 621544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-X" is the option name that makes C-INTERCAL act like CLC-INTERCAL
< 1319037837 933200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, "-xX", there are two different sets of things that can be changed between C- and CLC- mode
< 1319037839 197227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:21:23:  (I'm not sure if even C was around in 1972, incidentally)
< 1319037841 786660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not publicly
< 1319037862 128454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what does -x do?
< 1319037918 433585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me get the exact definitions
< 1319037935 753262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:06:21:  Well, I am not the DM of the anyways, however.
< 1319037935 900027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not the DM of the anyways, however, either.
< 1319037970 547526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, -X favours CLC-INTERCAL interpretations of ambiguous characters in the input
< 1319037976 756468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and -x gives CLC-INTERCAL semantics
< 1319037989 817005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they affect the parser and degenerator respectively
< 1319038016 423447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319038051 244606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the parts of C-INTERCAL have rather weird names sometimes)
< 1319038107 693391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://beefymiracle.org/
< 1319038109 12932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fedora,
< 1319038112 107234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain yourself
< 1319038379 374757 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh
< 1319038382 185651 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I want to click that?
< 1319038385 79526 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that SFW?
< 1319038467 171350 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just can't imagine anything being on the other end of that link other than gay porn.
< 1319038495 781950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's worse.
< 1319038536 489511 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, virtually everything is worse than gay porn.
< 1319038540 442769 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's not much of a statement.
< 1319038599 536387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It is SFW, though.
< 1319038601 95758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:43:03:  Inappropriate Keys Sold Here
< 1319038601 242506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:07:33:  Don't ever think for one moment that you have won.
< 1319038601 242661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:08:05:  :(
< 1319038601 242766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1319038620 913166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:24:09:  maybe lambdabot Haskell could have its own special where. :)
< 1319038623 288335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :caleskell
< 1319038629 452174 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least for most values of W. I guess at some places that could count as "offensive content".
< 1319038666 671860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:32:58:  And I get "couldn't match IO Bool against Maybe Bool".
< 1319038666 818611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only static typing didn't exist; you'd get a runtime error rather than a compile-time one.
< 1319038670 363037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's why it is your enemy.
< 1319038683 236457 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, I didn't realize that Ubuntu's naming convention had actually turned into a challenge to find the worst possible name for a distro.
< 1319038693 629577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Votes :: Name
< 1319038693 777338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-------------------------------
< 1319038693 777523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1182 :: Beefy Miracle
< 1319038693 777629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1035 :: Liege
< 1319038693 777732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  881 :: Never
< 1319038694 74322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  791 :: Gernsback
< 1319038696 67993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  641 :: Rocky Ripple
< 1319038698 56025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  628 :: Alpharabius
< 1319038700 53224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  550 :: Panguipulli
< 1319038702 88757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  505 :: Tubeteika
< 1319038704 82259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literally any of those is better than Beefy Miracle, guys.
< 1319038722 643721 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beefy Miracle and Rocky Ripple are both gay porn titles, though.
< 1319038788 350165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:35:15:  evincar: You have an actual type error in your program; it's being caught at compile-time instead of at runtime, but it's still there.
< 1319038788 496785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:35:28:  (In other cases it's not your friend, of course. But IO foo is very different from foo.)
< 1319038800 989852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: IO foo is even more different from Maybe foo.
< 1319038812 751494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:36:40:  The problem is that I need a Bool and I have an IO Bool.
< 1319038825 167593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No you don't/can't/whatever. Gah, why am I even wasting my time.
< 1319038833 270413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: When's codu.org/logs gonna support ignores :P
< 1319038856 740855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I could do that with a bookmarklet.
< 1319038879 391992 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVAR is the answar.
< 1319038938 640251 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVAR is almost the distro codename, too.
< 1319038940 605339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are all wrong; MaybeT _is_ standard
< 1319038967 381258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:45:54:  Whereas IO (Maybe EditorState) is "you have an IO maybe editorstate maybe not".
< 1319038983 795540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the part where you just describe IO as "IO" because you (presumably) don't understand the value-action distinction.
< 1319038992 502939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the best part.
< 1319039005 859980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:46:38:  shachaf: IO (Maybe ...) might be a little more convenient to deal with actually.
< 1319039006 6797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:46:51:  er
< 1319039006 6962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:46:53:  evincar: ^^^
< 1319039006 7132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:47:02:  stop having equal-length names.
< 1319039007 885005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Length-based nick completion?
< 1319039009 863715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sign me up.
< 1319039149 241483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So does Arch not support non-udev any more
< 1319039485 88316 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue
< 1319039521 120175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:13:33:  @hoogle [a -> m (Maybe a)] -> a -> m (Maybe a)
< 1319039530 998496 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw tried NixOS in qemu. Quite nice. Not quite yet at the point where I would use it for my main desktop. But close.
< 1319039540 90195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle [a -> m a] -> a -> m a
< 1319039540 577388 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Generics.Aliases extMp :: (MonadPlus m, Typeable a, Typeable b) => (a -> m a) -> (b -> m b) -> a -> m a
< 1319039540 912387 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Generics.Aliases extM :: (Monad m, Typeable a, Typeable b) => (a -> m a) -> (b -> m b) -> a -> m a
< 1319039541 59023 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Data gfoldl :: Data a => (c (d -> b) -> d -> c b) -> (g -> c g) -> a -> c a
< 1319039543 763274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr
< 1319039547 724165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a trivial construction, anyway
< 1319039554 48399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm well
< 1319039555 706316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319039561 695500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was assuming t Maybe a
< 1319039563 84219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in a transformer
< 1319039565 463224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1319039801 678228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:22:11:  CakeProphet: I suggest XFCE.
< 1319039801 865072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:22:29:  pikhq_: not as configurable, but similar interface I guess.
< 1319039808 819334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xfce is definitely more configurable than Gnome.
< 1319039839 370675 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it doesn't have a similar interface.
< 1319039842 663539 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So wrong on both counts :P
< 1319039884 951150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm using an Xfce that's almost pixel-for-pixel identical to gnome two
< 1319039887 230199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/g/G/
< 1319039912 79303 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks to its awesome configurability :P
< 1319039930 619341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No, I just configured the panels, which is exactly as flexible as Gnome :P
< 1319039946 376238 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pff
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< 1319040449 627798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously though, what is the point of all these distros like Arch and Gentoo if they only support one base configuration.
< 1319040490 139705 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319040644 646856 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're all just distractions from Debian, the one True distro.
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< 1319040715 842631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Which also only supports one base configuration :P
< 1319040760 611503 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then supporting one base configuration must be the right option (even if that base configuration happens to be terrible ...)
< 1319040815 547346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which it is :P
< 1319040825 163399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUFFERING IS CORRECT
< 1319040904 749068 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though since I usually install via Aptosid, thereby violating my own sacred pact with Debian, I actually have options X-P
< 1319040972 908161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Maybe we have different definitions of base config -- what does aptosid let you change past things like DE?
< 1319041000 472078 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just DE + WM, what things do you want to change?
< 1319041041 280239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The /base/ configuration. Things like the init :P (Debian offers Xfce as an official install options nowadays, btw...)
< 1319041056 893415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously it's not so reasonable to expect this of Debian but, like, Gentoo doesn't support changing a damn thing nowadays.
< 1319041063 496784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except optimisation flags :P
< 1319041091 397634 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, obviously LFS is the distro for you.
< 1319041105 140141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What do you think Kitten is (apart from vaporous)
< 1319041106 557045 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although even it has only one base configuration :)
< 1319041120 920146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The point of things like Debian is to basically automate LFS for you :P
< 1319041122 680252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1319041123 721356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gentoo
< 1319041136 222055 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALFS is better.
< 1319041157 656989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow :P
< 1319041161 727659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"After having gone through the LFS and BLFS books more than 2 or 3 times, you will quickly appreciate the ability to automate the task of compiling the software you want for your systems."
< 1319041174 739666 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't ALFS delightfully retarded?
< 1319041177 469849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"jhalfs is a Bash shell script that makes use of Subversion and xsltproc to first download the XML sources of the Linux From Scratch book and then extract any necessary commands, placing them into executable shell scripts."
< 1319041181 661275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gobsmacked.
< 1319041192 253298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I can't wait until LFS ships with
< 1319041198 428926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't ever run the following!
< 1319041200 261809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    rm -rf /
< 1319041204 907796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that you know not to run that, [...]
< 1319041219 739377 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't work on modern coreutils anyway ;)
< 1319041220 225486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jhalfs users will get a wonderful surprise :P
< 1319041300 845874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't believe this nilfs system actually works.
< 1319041309 390061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It feels like it should be breaking constantly.
< 1319041319 174968 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319041332 655591 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, anything named "nilfs" shouldn't do anything.
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< 1319041338 594423 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a poor name for an OS that exposes any files.
< 1319041343 465791 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/OS/FS/
< 1319041382 465328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"New Implementation of a Log-structured File System" :P
< 1319041386 241252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does things like instantaneous snapshotting.
< 1319042056 432331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Xpra is 'screen for X': it allows you to run X programs, usually on a remote host, direct their display to your local machine, and then to disconnect from these programs and reconnect from the same or another machine, without losing any state. "
< 1319042059 769312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't X meant to handle this itself?
< 1319042062 650859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not
< 1319042123 424333 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the disconnect/reconnect bit
< 1319042136 479373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1319042176 744761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, Gnome doesn't support screensavers any more :P
< 1319042186 630170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At all.
< 1319043194 218771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why there aren't any golf esoteric CPUs.
< 1319043198 763482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS THE OBVIOUS NEXT STEP
< 1319043221 933048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: use them to power golfcarts!
< 1319043239 25340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1319043254 14117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like... you can pack two registers and an instruction into a single byte
< 1319043261 2685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's four registers, eight instructions
< 1319043284 70793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can have an instruction, two registers, and a memory address in two bytes
< 1319043312 274283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has to count for something
< 1319043353 401937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what are the best eight instructions
< 1319043368 247773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF's?
< 1319043433 968992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, assembly-style :P
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< 1319043760 728731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it's hard to think of ways to allow really short screen writing with those restrictions
< 1319043997 501381 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw the NixOS install cd lacks tools for nilfs2
< 1319044011 841610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooOOOoooOoooOooOOooOooOooooooo
< 1319044016 26785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just going to try it, too.
< 1319044019 108227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you install shit onto it though?
< 1319044060 767704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the things I don't like about NixOS is that it's tied to upstart
< 1319044075 248690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/upstart/upstart./
< 1319044505 725303 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1319045198 203611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now pikhq_ is going to tell me that musl works with libc++ and therefore I can finally build things with it.
< 1319045205 644673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION controls the future.

< 1319045439 442118 :derrik!~xix@194.150.65.81 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1319045841 293715 :derrik!~xix@194.150.65.81 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that java thing is totally pointless these days
< 1319045841 477167 :derrik!~xix@194.150.65.81 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will throw it out now
< 1319045897 541763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what java thing
< 1319046015 50063 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1319046045 608149 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can't you install shit onto it though? <-- possibly
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< 1319046160 241632 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-63-203.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
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< 1319046392 230903 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1319046402 111472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1319046479 822755 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I suggest something for the wiki?
< 1319046486 964378 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Programming language of the week"
< 1319046507 746076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible to set up with template wizardry, assuming there's some way to figure out the date
< 1319046547 670144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :updating it manually would be annoying and tedious
< 1319046599 834915 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on, pie time
< 1319046600 824355 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1319046657 935712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does ngevd even join
< 1319046661 891666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when he knows he's going to leave in like
< 1319046663 411531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ten seconds
< 1319046681 652775 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Five minutes
< 1319046704 101029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ten seconds
< 1319046711 657269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok he's definitely been here for like two minutes before
< 1319046749 177259 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also how could you predict beforehand when it will be pie time?
< 1319046807 713446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pie time strikes us all when we least expect it.
< 1319046857 181193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because when you're trillions of deep in the decimal expansion of pie, and don't know exactly where, it's impractical to figure out what the pie will do next
< 1319047001 733727 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose they(tm) still know whether πe is irrational or not?
< 1319047043 776893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maan, why can't we just decide.
< 1319047048 666280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Collectively.
< 1319047051 544216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say it's rational.
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< 1319047090 663187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://webonastick.com/pi/
< 1319047094 635090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I was just wondering if you're really serious about your proof of the rationality of pi or whether you did it just so people like me would write to you to ask if you were really serious about your proof of the rationality of pi.
< 1319047094 781669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- "
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< 1319047350 323163 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1319047440 419203 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello.
< 1319047448 992178 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ?
< 1319047451 817831 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, lambdabot's gone.
< 1319047453 267597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ?
< 1319047484 451631 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Quick, pretend to be lambdabot. It's just Haskell, you can do it.
< 1319047484 722292 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it skips differently. it is
< 1319047498 625547 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a big problem
< 1319047502 865418 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, sadly he can't, because it skips differently.
< 1319047544 815630 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell 'h':"test"
< 1319047589 242915 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"htest"
< 1319047601 543724 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant can pretend to be lambdabot
< 1319047962 933097 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time for a link-tip; when you need a prime, http://alpha61.com/primenumbershittingbear/ helps. (Don't have a clue what brought that to mind.)
< 1319047987 184176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, I'm not using one of the desgined versions.
< 1319047990 332798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :designéd.
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< 1319048344 310404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaaaayayyayayaya
< 1319048346 563172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ylaamamnnjkfbdabobot
< 1319048357 319360 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bot
< 1319048357 531536 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1319048367 129804 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good bot
< 1319048369 183730 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best friend
< 1319048414 296198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: view-source:http://alpha61.com/primenumbershittingbear/ I like the comments.
< 1319048420 181942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :		// Shakes the butt
< 1319048420 329003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :		// moves next number to butt
< 1319048445 804299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, it must have been updated; it uses some fancy "2005-2006" Flash-using library to play the sound.
< 1319048487 637558 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bignum.sourceforge.net/primebear.html soundless version
< 1319048564 8793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well that's no fun.
< 1319048575 814382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Is that the original(tm)?
< 1319048578 826380 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the one I remember :-P
< 1319048582 681801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bignum / BigFloat
< 1319048582 828627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :An infinite-precision floating-point function library for Miranda and type for Haskell
< 1319048592 827690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... something.
< 1319048676 563758 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you just quote me randomly above?
< 1319048680 99744 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.archive.org/web/20011106194849/http://members.surfeu.fi/kklaine/primebear.html an old hall of fame
< 1319048683 723360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Apparently?
< 1319048693 819009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Good old Allan Scott.
< 1319048712 196517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Notice: this version leaves number 1 out. It's not a bug fix, but an abandoned feature in order to achieve better, cleaner, faster code. I still think 1 is a prime number but this is tosatisfy mathematics of the world. I decided they'd propably shut up if I pleased them. Now get of my case."
< 1319048767 941562 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The faster code is probably due to starting from 2 and doing +=2
< 1319048771 837520 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, 3*
< 1319048790 127858 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of 1 and +=1
< 1319048984 534489 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Anyway, evincar has a point. Static typing is not your friend.
< 1319048998 94437 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid types, constraining and constricting.
< 1319049004 498032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it is I am pals with Hindley-Milner.
< 1319049047 874055 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1319050124 550041 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By all your type theorists combined I am Hindley-Milner.
< 1319050124 703422 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1319050294 707663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  oh god oh god   what if I become   attracted   to birds
< 1319050299 596686 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :704)  oh god oh god   what if I become   attracted   to birds
< 1319050343 148895 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait what, r/AskScience got made a default subreddit.
< 1319050356 777192 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :r/TrueAskScience in 10... 9...
< 1319050375 836891 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AskScience is so heavily modded that it doesn't need a True version
< 1319050395 827496 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but it can be more insidious than that.
< 1319050445 361196 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/yKHJv.png
< 1319050455 547089 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See?
< 1319050519 585344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's insidious about that
< 1319050569 265432 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If we're in a car crash, I'll be decapitated from the neck down."
< 1319050581 668907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ?
< 1319050625 225299 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that was a pretty terrible example.
< 1319050661 578176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319050663 743952 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :649)  Can you build the ... why wouldn't you be able to, just and all the computables
< 1319050670 232200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can I delete that one?
< 1319050690 3205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know, I think that might be the apex of Sgeo's constant confusion
< 1319050696 380305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, you have to follow procedure
< 1319050698 221955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319050698 847151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319050699 73137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319050701 360663 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :228)  OK, let's reduce the human genome to 4 chromosomes, in 2 homologous pairs.
< 1319050701 813139 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :572)  software patents strike again   that's got to be at least three times, now   are they out yet?
< 1319050704 778394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319050706 619462 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :473)  btw i saw my first prostitute about a week ago
< 1319050707 739309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, that makes five in total
< 1319050714 343510 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :353)  I use LiGNUXFCE+apps   That's pronounced by saying "Linux" and then vomiting, btw.
< 1319050733 365504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks 473 is worse than 649

< 1319050739 357961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's delete both of them
< 1319050744 881921 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, like the French word for mist?
< 1319050748 468202 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was it fog?
< 1319050754 812185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that is not Procedure
< 1319050769 300678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care, the number will never reduce if we don't delete /all/ the bad ones we find
< 1319050778 190866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you delete it next time it comes up
< 1319050784 332438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 473
< 1319050784 999780 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quite
< 1319050786 246179 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1319050786 470901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, I'll do another:
< 1319050788 799160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319050789 13547 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319050789 193019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319050789 535815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319050789 931413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319050797 100052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's five in total, I noticed Phantom_Hoover's quick enough)
< 1319050799 866914 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :481)  #%%:]__t�#   do you see that   that is great progress taking place
< 1319050800 734453 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :272)  ooh I want to see ehird pole dancing   I think that would be illegal.   oh you are right   damn :/
< 1319050810 873459 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: quite: not found
< 1319050813 383588 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :114)  theory: some amused deity is making the laws of physics up as they go along
< 1319050813 580412 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :680)  I prefer the N64 controller, it's the only one that has place for my third hand.
< 1319050813 728879 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :353)  I use LiGNUXFCE+apps   That's pronounced by saying "Linux" and then vomiting, btw.
< 1319050833 130898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, Madk's is the worst there, but it's not that bad
< 1319050835 356001 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those... are all good.
< 1319050838 91760 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319050838 309174 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319050838 606537 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319050838 818628 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319050839 38267 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319050844 825688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed, restart
< 1319050850 320462 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :621)  elliott_: it's a machine that looks like you!
< 1319050861 514999 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :302)  Some people is atheist and some agnostic, and some more religious people. Even some scientists are religious, which is OK, but you still have to remember, assuming God exists is not how you are supposed to do science!
< 1319050862 86794 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :347) [After a long monologue]  i think i have to escape this heated discussion before it becomes a flamewar
< 1319050862 590866 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :155)  anmaster gonna give him a birthday bj?    IF ONLY I COULD FIND MY PHONE
< 1319050862 935640 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :86)  I used to have salt licks for my horses. They would make cool abstract sculptures with them.
< 1319050869 783227 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :302.
< 1319050881 253128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, zzo has better quotes than that.
< 1319050882 808609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 302
< 1319050885 154195 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1319050886 306584 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319050886 592868 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319050886 850209 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319050887 199701 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319050887 397035 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319050895 436604 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :490)  The zipWith Camel, a famous World War 1 era airplane.
< 1319050898 176848 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :536)  Tomorrow's computer viruses will extend robotic arms from your computer to fiddle with the SD card to infect it!!
< 1319050906 858002 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :666)  The moon is a much better target for colonisation because it would be IRCable.
< 1319050907 4641 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :656)  :D :D oh man.. i wonder if they ever made chess variants based off of animes
< 1319050908 74346 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :402)  I can trust elliott_ to have an opinion on anything and everything  Yes.  And the best thing is: it is the correct opinion.
< 1319050924 178488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Are you there
< 1319050924 422881 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :656 is the weakest, I think.
< 1319050933 818134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: 666 isn't that good.
< 1319050948 853570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither is 536 but the mental image is amusing,
< 1319050950 163018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1319050961 611619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like 490 either
< 1319050967 480365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do
< 1319050970 121741 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a good one.
< 1319050978 11858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Which one should we delete, 666 or 656
< 1319050984 914435 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :656, I think.
< 1319050987 952818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright
< 1319050990 204189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 656
< 1319050992 81960 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1319050994 465836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's do one more to please ais523
< 1319050995 289693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319050995 755760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
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< 1319051002 170806 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :183)  Why do you use random acronyms you know we don't know the expansions of?  alise: TLAAW
< 1319051004 146475 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :288)  !bfjoust test (++-)*1000000   probably will suck   Score for Vorpal_test: 30.4   what
< 1319051014 947908 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :247)  nobody link to goatse   elliott, that is an awesome MC idea.
< 1319051015 566462 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :570)  software patents strike again   that's got to be at least three times, now   are they out yet?
< 1319051015 849348 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :182)  "Europe is the national anthem of the Republic of Kosovo."  alise: I  I was going to say something then your last line floored me
< 1319051023 731007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :247 is bad
< 1319051029 972053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first two are boring, but the third is awkward enough to not really work as humour at all.
< 1319051031 810969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :288 is boring
< 1319051033 413226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 247
< 1319051035 725498 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1319051038 615802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051038 964712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
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< 1319051039 811430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051041 36147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :183 is at least vaguely funny
< 1319051047 915431 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :602)  OK so firstly you should eliminate electrons.
< 1319051048 728562 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :648)  You know how the arrow pierces your skin, rearranging and randomizing vital internal structure?   Monads are like that, only worse.
< 1319051051 78194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think thirty might have been a decent score back then
< 1319051056 536577 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :494)  to assume that someone can be described by a rule without exception... is to assume they are omnipotent   for instance stones are omnipotent, as they don't do anything, without exception
< 1319051058 902782 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :30)  after all, what are DVD players for?
< 1319051059 330935 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :54)  no Deewiant  No?!  I've been living a lie  yep.  Excuse me while I jump out of the window ->
< 1319051061 610863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's not bottom-of-the-leaderboard
< 1319051068 752572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, those are all pretty good
< 1319051068 899307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about two-thirds of the way down, typically
< 1319051071 447230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 will say thirty is the worst
< 1319051077 587479 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll say 54
< 1319051082 485680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, 30's decent IMO
< 1319051083 824613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that one's a classic.
< 1319051087 533276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of context
< 1319051101 36795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :494 and 648 are the best
< 1319051102 895705 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys, I have just remembered news
< 1319051105 633912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :602 is probably the least funny
< 1319051111 334408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say 602 too
< 1319051115 21568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 602
< 1319051116 417002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: ham news?
< 1319051116 909442 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1319051117 397252 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Facekicker" Hird is a member of the Hird family
< 1319051124 200431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahaha
< 1319051128 744477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK one more until I stop laughing
< 1319051129 701426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
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< 1319051134 574220 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spelt that way
< 1319051138 905633 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :46)  The thing is just to exist
< 1319051139 122305 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :341)  django is named after a person?   thought it would be a giraffe or something
< 1319051146 936481 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, world-renowned detective.
< 1319051148 941388 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :315)  Why do you want to have sex in everything? I don't want.
< 1319051150 298203 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :329)  Phantom_Hoover: mutation is often considerably harder for both humans and compilers can analyze it much more difficult' part that induces bloody vomit... huh....intriguing
< 1319051150 878012 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like 341
< 1319051151 24920 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :74)  Warrigal: what do you mean by 21?
< 1319051163 403705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :46 is bad.
< 1319051167 332260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is 74
< 1319051167 950041 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db421c2.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319051174 391364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's funnier coming from oklopol
< 1319051174 538046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's funny in context
< 1319051183 640015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since he wouldn't ask something like that without actually meaning something
< 1319051185 1238 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this feeling all of my DF quotes are going to go.
< 1319051194 140471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, those are all great.
< 1319051198 139394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :46 doesn't make much sense
< 1319051198 305938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 46
< 1319051200 841753 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1319051201 467490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst thing about 46 is, it's truncated
< 1319051202 994017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :without any mark
< 1319051211 406296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log \d  The thing is just to exist
< 1319051224 50931 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  "Facekicker" Hird is a member of the Hird family    Ngevd, world-renowned detective.
< 1319051225 538203 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: \d?
< 1319051226 200225 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :699)  "Facekicker" Hird is a member of the Hird family    Ngevd, world-renowned detective.
< 1319051229 949176 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-10-19.txt:19:06:51:  `log \d  The thing is just to exist
< 1319051231 9883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: last digit of the time
< 1319051237 53872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo...
< 1319051238 542937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, don't you need a colon too?
< 1319051239 310411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't even a digit
< 1319051242 855138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log \d:  The thing is just to exist
< 1319051243 746220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah yes
< 1319051248 402576 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-10-19.txt:19:07:22:  `log \d:  The thing is just to exist
< 1319051249 961880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but,e rr, did \d even work there?
< 1319051254 439402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [[:digit:]]:  The thing is just to exist
< 1319051259 750568 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-08-06.txt:18:25:48:  The thing is just to exist; those competitions are then, I don't know, some sort of sub-things.
< 1319051266 438995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1319051270 397256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051270 719728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051271 199290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051271 490337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051271 732689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051272 751602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a better quote in the entirety than the deleted one
< 1319051274 189013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :While we're on a roll.
< 1319051276 887542 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :583)  this reminds me of a time where this guy made up a pretend language that was in his fantasy world and then roleplayed as someone from his fantasy world who used the language and then tried to talk to me about the language
< 1319051280 352228 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :50)  Gregor is often a scandalous imposter. It's all the hats, I tell you.
< 1319051287 345204 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :32)  I am not on the moon.
< 1319051290 621922 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :658)  `pastelogs really makes me hate being alive
< 1319051291 465152 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :173)  You people. You people are so stupid. I'm making a SOCIOLOGICAL statement here.
< 1319051302 534386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :658 is bad but 32 is worse
< 1319051306 975374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :658 isn't good; 32 is only funny because it's zzo38
< 1319051310 159305 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like 32
< 1319051318 914237 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 2^5
< 1319051321 680027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 658
< 1319051324 32963 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1319051328 502067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the zzo humour adds a bit to it, I think
< 1319051328 909871 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, if it's deleted then 33 will replace it.
< 1319051331 773514 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 33
< 1319051333 750335 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :33)  Or the brutal rape of the English language!   That wasn't rape. English is always willing.
< 1319051339 532766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wc -l logs
< 1319051340 764154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1319051341 308512 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wc: logs: No such file or directory
< 1319051343 55958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :logs is quotes
< 1319051344 133222 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 < 33
< 1319051344 625634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wc -l quotes
< 1319051345 633889 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/lhe8y/is_it_possible_to_tie_a_knot_in_a_piece_of_string/c2spk1t
< 1319051346 438557 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :698 quotes
< 1319051353 304518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: They get renumbered upon deletion.
< 1319051360 165008 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1319051366 25611 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was making mathematical comments
< 1319051369 653536 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just googled one version, no idea where I first saw it and/or the real original.
< 1319051379 755423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the URL there is hilarious
< 1319051380 686559 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That are really uneneded in this channel
< 1319051383 200046 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*unneeded
< 1319051390 307032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's cut off at just the right point
< 1319051392 669212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051393 36816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051393 423234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051393 660738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051393 969121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051397 908067 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hey, it was a long-standing open problem!
< 1319051398 54902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY NOT ANOTHER.
< 1319051398 689133 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :71)  i am sad ( of course by analogy) :) smileys)
< 1319051402 3113 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :508)  So... God has jizzed on everything?   have you even READ the bible?
< 1319051409 794271 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do remember there was a version that s/Shitting/Pooping/, and correspondingly in the Finnish.
< 1319051412 603119 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :678)  Dammit, Gregor, this is not the time to fall in love
< 1319051413 40008 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :187)  Gregor: You should never have got her pregnant.   what whaaaaaaaaaaaat
< 1319051414 206407 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :359)  I think she either likes me, is neutral towards me, or dislikes me
< 1319051434 800105 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm amazed Taneb was able to bring himself to say 'jizzed'.
< 1319051434 980690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :187 is the worst there, IMO
< 1319051439 89470 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :678 and 187 go well together
< 1319051443 905925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do
< 1319051450 339651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :508 and 359 are the best there
< 1319051451 884128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we should merge them into one quote, then delete them both
< 1319051452 207363 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I do say "jizzed" occasionally
< 1319051460 253714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that would be _misrepresentation_
< 1319051465 86479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  678)  Dammit, Gregor, this is not the time to fall in love   187)  Gregor: You should never have got her pregnant.   what whaaaaaaaaaaaat
< 1319051465 654054 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mainly after someone else has said it
< 1319051466 737003 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :699)  678)  Dammit, Gregor, this is not the time to fall in love   187)  Gregor: You should never have got her pregnant.   what whaaaaaaaaaaaat
< 1319051467 536096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: at least without a really huge ellipsis
< 1319051469 445962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no misrepresentation there at all
< 1319051469 706174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I...
< 1319051472 308763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I can't allow this.
< 1319051476 50705 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, but I thought you were, like, negative Sgeo?
< 1319051477 864363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS JUST NOT RIGHT
< 1319051482 685884 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote SEXY
< 1319051484 661220 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :81)  What do you call the husband of my first cousin once removed?    Warrigal: "Hey, Sexy." \ 210)  HOT SEXY SEX BITS
< 1319051485 783941 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost
< 1319051490 300665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but it's HackEgo's juxtaposition that's funny
< 1319051499 958966 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what's wrong with misrepresentation?
< 1319051500 812063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK fine but we can only delete one it's the rule.
< 1319051501 55974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we quote fungot when /it's/ funny
< 1319051501 483864 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they are included by another file for each class
< 1319051506 733590 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm asexual, doesn't mean I don't pick up the lingo
< 1319051507 185819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 187
< 1319051509 407051 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1319051514 120973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: The LINGO of the STREETS.
< 1319051521 439392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Let's do another one and hope we get the other one.
< 1319051522 393805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051522 722507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051523 104795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051523 251429 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The LINGO of the BED, really
< 1319051523 416574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051523 583232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051526 636468 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the laptop
< 1319051532 128865 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to learn the lingo of her streets, if you know what I mean.
< 1319051532 721489 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :237)  oklofok: I don't watch House, no.   oklofok: I prefer knowing how medicine actually works.
< 1319051533 205736 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :422)  Fiddle. It makes a big difference, you know.
< 1319051536 428636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now I'm laughing
< 1319051537 845754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took a while
< 1319051544 100214 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :678)  but i guess (x + y)^n = (x^2 + 2xy + y^2)(x^2 + 2xy + y^2)...(x^2 + 2xy + y^2) if n is even, (x + y)^n = (x^2 + 2xy + y^2)(x^2 + 2xy + y^2)...(x^2 + 2xy + y^2)(x + y) is as good a fundamental theorem as any
< 1319051544 262339 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :46)  I spent the last minute or so killing myself repeatedly
< 1319051544 435306 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :294)  !bfjoust sm3 <   Score for Deewiant_sm3: 43.4
< 1319051544 594682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 442 a GEB misquote?
< 1319051548 27678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*422
< 1319051552 880969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's zzo; so probably
< 1319051557 778925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I thought
< 1319051562 14267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might even be a GEB literal quote
< 1319051563 236388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :237 isn't funny
< 1319051573 828920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's vaguely funny, but in an xkcd sort of way
< 1319051582 384523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably isn't worth being there
< 1319051584 523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 237
< 1319051586 171155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :294 is hilarious
< 1319051586 317979 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1319051589 562182 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pre- or post-xkcdecay?
< 1319051594 17015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that from when the scoreboard was upside-down?
< 1319051596 54204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: post-
< 1319051596 819418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, I have no idea how it did /that/ well
< 1319051601 919787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: isn't that even an insta-death?
< 1319051605 449613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1319051606 429830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as bad as ]
< 1319051610 715269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, no, ] is always 0
< 1319051611 330990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, I think it must have been from the upside-down scoreboard era
< 1319051616 182823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how did /that/ work?
< 1319051620 920892 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051621 67484 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051621 289434 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051621 525817 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051621 793460 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051624 350910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a reversed test in the scoring function
< 1319051631 351221 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :192)  dc -e '[a=]P?[b=]P?[dSarLa%d0 A priori one cannot say that post hoc ergo propter hoc the diminishing returns would give; yet under quid pro quo one can agglutinate fabula and sujet into vagrancies untold.   See? I'm intellectual.
< 1319051634 933308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hill was smaller back then
< 1319051639 894654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 43.4 was probably a top score
< 1319051641 527677 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :159)  Why shouldn't I just do everything in non-Microsoft-specific C#?   it's like trying to write non-IE-specific JavaScript with only Microsoft documentation and only IE to test on
< 1319051641 771325 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :316)  enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity
< 1319051641 934509 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :154)  anmaster gonna give him a birthday bj?    IF ONLY I COULD FIND MY PHONE
< 1319051657 560356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :316 is the best there, obviously
< 1319051660 357967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed
< 1319051665 129824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :192 or 356 are probably the worst
< 1319051667 653550 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the best anything ever.
< 1319051671 369123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, 356 would be better without the second message
< 1319051673 158706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get 154
< 1319051693 827905 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :192's pretty good, unless Vorpal actually meant for it to be funny.
< 1319051703 595778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been ignoring it on the grounds that I have no idea why it's there
< 1319051704 552250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but oh well
< 1319051705 146961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like 192, and suspect it wasn't intentional
< 1319051707 996559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 154
< 1319051710 71240 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1319051712 227300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it wasn't, I've read that log
< 1319051714 443570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's /actually on-topic/
< 1319051720 524094 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Vorpalising occurred before we hit 200?)
< 1319051722 578985 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like 159
< 1319051738 932211 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/lgvn8/can_someone_explain_intuitively_the_connection/
< 1319051740 411597 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I...
< 1319051742 131635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (The Vorpalising occurred before we hit 200?)
< 1319051743 646789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Renumbering.
< 1319051747 615167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 159
< 1319051748 401144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A /lot/ of early quotes have been deleted.
< 1319051749 828313 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :159) (in #irp)  Flonk, ask on #esoteric?   Sgeo: yeah well its C++, so not that esoteric :P
< 1319051763 663743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, should I add persistent numbering?
< 1319051768 393272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd make multiple deletions easier, for one thing
< 1319051773 855380 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you get to using Euler's identity in a maths class without deriving it?
< 1319051786 713773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: seems like it could go wrong easily
< 1319051792 631967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, howso?
< 1319051794 568499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the original system
< 1319051800 237891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote not actually true
< 1319051802 601474 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :92) Note that quote number 124 is not actually true.
< 1319051804 740689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's the other reason not to
< 1319051813 51578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 124
< 1319051815 240513 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :124) * augur rubs alise's bum  [...]   what? she said square ped   :|
< 1319051816 372707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that still wouldn't work because it'd start numbering based on current numbers
< 1319051821 759620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051822 791640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051823 197775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051823 362022 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :257)  Vorpal: I'M NOT CLEVER OKAY
< 1319051823 544717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051823 856669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051829 171260 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :109)  it can be a good fursuit, but the good thing is that nobody can complain a fox doesn't have the right skin tone
< 1319051829 891353 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :445)  The wickedest man of all.   Surpassed only in wickedness by the wicked witches of the west and east.   you talking about me again?   Yes.   k
< 1319051837 152738 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :13)  "You're at that stage in your life where you're going to want to do some things in private." --my mom
< 1319051840 212181 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :332)  it is from 2002 though, I was younger then
< 1319051846 301100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those were /all/ pretty bad
< 1319051848 20644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 257
< 1319051850 383994 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1319051851 904207 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've forgotten who I was actually talking about in 445.
< 1319051859 18445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yep, I haven't figured which was worst yet
< 1319051863 733433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that one was really recent
< 1319051878 489472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't know how we've added like two hundred quotes since it, but I suspect it involves DF
< 1319051893 842135 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 600
< 1319051895 801054 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :600)  FFS, building a perpetual motion machine should not be this hard.
< 1319051903 181581 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 700
< 1319051905 341315 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hypothesis confirmed.
< 1319051905 661125 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1319051915 848595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051916 353034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051916 907388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051917 54139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051917 268464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319051924 541645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :today is the day the quotes died
< 1319051925 603859 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :3)  Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened...  More practice is in order.
< 1319051928 224871 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :449)  i never meta turing.  he died before i was born.
< 1319051935 3569 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :465)  oklopol: Why do you have so much experience with hoop-and-stick? :P   Gregor: my fetish: learning pointless skills
< 1319051936 790609 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :506)  This staircase is very good for correcting people's opininons about communism
< 1319051937 79453 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :583)  mmm these music samples are still so tasteful
< 1319051948 964939 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like 449
< 1319051952 641212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :506 is good, as is 583, as is 449; 465 is also pretty good
< 1319051959 749782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 isn't very good, but... it was one of the first quotes
< 1319051965 86976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if ... I can... delete it.......
< 1319051966 743140 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote `
< 1319051968 660319 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :9)  Lil`Cube: you had cavity searches?  not yet  trying to thou, just so I can check it off on my list of things to expirence \ 41)  `translatefromto hu en Hogy hogy hogy ami kemeny    How hard is that \ 91) [Warrigal] `addquote  hahaha, Lawlabee is running windows 
< 1319051968 911374 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 1
< 1319051971 198044 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1)  I used computational linguistics to kill her.
< 1319051972 523243 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes
< 1319051974 912261 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.24524
< 1319051975 725446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's actually the original third quote.
< 1319051995 333769 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, FIX THAT ALREADY
< 1319051999 99270 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 2
< 1319052001 193976 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2)  EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork"
< 1319052010 849210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, let's do another, it is bringing the community Together
< 1319052012 471659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319052013 21761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319052013 429046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319052013 690826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319052013 931447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319052015 538257 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :505)  Vorpal: Won't be slower than Python ;-)   elliott_, yeah but that is like saying a T-Ford going down a hill won't be slower than a bicycle uphill on a bumpy road :P
< 1319052018 901698 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :104)  let's put that in the HackEgo quotes files, just to completely mystify anyone who looks back along them in the future
< 1319052021 206069 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :110)  I don't know that I've ever heard apocalypi described in terms of depth ...
< 1319052027 37832 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :111)  (still, whatever possessed anyone to invent the N-Gage?)
< 1319052027 721806 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :290)  OK, I give up, logging into Wikia is harder than writing a Firefox extension
< 1319052033 883918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, those were all good
< 1319052034 767078 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :104 was nice and meta
< 1319052042 270085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from 104 but it provides required context to its proceeding quote
< 1319052044 19610 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :104 explains the entire purpose if this excersize
< 1319052045 471737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :preceding
< 1319052062 736610 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 103
< 1319052065 17464 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :103)  so a.b.c.d.e.f.g.h.i.j.k.com might be self-relative, but a.b.c.d.e.f.g.h.i.j.k.l.com always means a.b.c.d.e.f.g.h.i.j.k.l.com.?
< 1319052084 511156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you don't have to delete one…
< 1319052107 974916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, I'll just retry like usual
< 1319052109 155637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319052109 701589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319052110 173715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319052110 659931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319052111 189753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319052111 459494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I never did finish that Firefox extension, btw
< 1319052111 643084 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I am appropriately mystified now
< 1319052116 157522 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :559)  toasters tend to get hot every time they're used
< 1319052117 583227 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :161)   GOODBAD! Your watered down brand of evil conflicts with my botched attempts at dogoodery!
< 1319052118 664452 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :385) [on Sgeo's karaoke]  That is the thing that made me into a gay vampire.
< 1319052124 556909 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :129)  you move on the tape and shit
< 1319052125 761792 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :95)  I can do everything a Turing machine can do, except love
< 1319052125 908464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using an existing one that sort-of works, but I still have to press enter in the address bar
< 1319052142 893894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :559 isn't very good
< 1319052149 928696 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :95 is good
< 1319052166 724083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 559
< 1319052168 610350 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1319052192 840038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319052193 498616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319052193 727136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319052194 37055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319052194 280324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319052200 895117 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :596)  Deewiant: How do you go through life without seeing at least one gaping anus, that's what I want to know
< 1319052202 511713 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :406)  Lymia, I don't know what that is but I want to hit you for it on principle.
< 1319052212 10188 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :77)  I'm 100% of what sort of magic was involved in it
< 1319052212 698382 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :683)  When my registrar is emailing me that codu.xxx is available, that's a problem.
< 1319052213 509602 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :175)  alise: so parrot was based around gcc?
< 1319052221 160858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, 175 is good
< 1319052228 348850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :175 /is/ good
< 1319052232 871669 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :684 is good
< 1319052234 430492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :77 has to stay because it resulted in Vorpal spending about ten hours trying to remove it
< 1319052235 117137 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*3
< 1319052244 319596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah, OK; it isn't good, but if that's the context than that's good
< 1319052247 620338 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 683
< 1319052248 277011 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :took a while to notice the nick in 175 :)
< 1319052249 630721 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :683)  When my registrar is emailing me that codu.xxx is available, that's a problem.
< 1319052251 29719 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 684
< 1319052252 954820 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :684)  Also you steal Berwick from us and then say you don't want it?   You stole it from us first!
< 1319052282 269522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wc -l quotes
< 1319052284 9484 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :694 quotes
< 1319052307 144119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that reply actually makes sense as a sentence
< 1319052313 238920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what reply?
< 1319052317 209212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319052317 411845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"694 quotes"
< 1319052317 700553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319052351 871835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '#!/bin/sh' >bin/qc; echo 'wc -l quotes' >>bin/qc; chmod +x bin/qc
< 1319052353 749814 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1319052354 121783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(qc for quote count)
< 1319052355 99072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`qc
< 1319052357 17819 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :694 quotes
< 1319052374 459214 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now we just need to add "how_many" as a euphemism for "run wx -l"
< 1319052378 106429 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wc
< 1319052401 240211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, let's do another, this is fun
< 1319052401 546353 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would `run wx -l do anything?
< 1319052403 305756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319052403 964964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319052404 537496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319052404 761544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wx -l
< 1319052405 31439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319052405 409840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319052408 615977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: easy enough to find out
< 1319052409 950856 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :556)  What is it with Cardassians, they're all really nice and then they hit you with a rock.
< 1319052414 318885 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :102)  Clearly we should be like Mumbai and get of vehicle dors.  Get of vehicle dors?  I think Aftran had a French phrase there.  Les vehicles d'or
< 1319052416 168900 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :57)  What is there to talk about besides gay slang?
< 1319052425 253331 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :404)  `addquote  two quotes about quotes about django   I guess the worst part is that I appear in all three hackego quotes about django   elliott_: another quote? you're not helping :/
< 1319052425 399738 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :169)  I love logic, especially the part where it makes no sense.
< 1319052425 574752 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh: wx: not found
< 1319052427 39090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :57 is bad
< 1319052437 586845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :494 is good
< 1319052440 223256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*404
< 1319052442 591983 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :169 is good
< 1319052443 479690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :404 is from the Night of Django Quotes
< 1319052446 606658 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is 13^2
< 1319052448 737238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :102 isn't good
< 1319052458 843317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm OK with 169
< 1319052462 683407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :169 is boring, but 57 is boringer
< 1319052464 215996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 57
< 1319052464 685484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm OK with 169
< 1319052466 136618 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1319052469 578318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm OK with 169
< 1319052502 519186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319052502 997030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319052503 494794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319052504 12673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319052504 443858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319052506 768976 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :378)          i know it's unusual, but i agree with you both to some extent
< 1319052511 309019 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :394)  sgeo do you actually know what sex looks like i am just checking here   I think so
< 1319052511 942588 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :666)  Vorpal: "still it's a flower in the sense that it's more experienced the nanny"
< 1319052517 855315 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :520)  My memory passed   rest in peace sgeos memory
< 1319052518 953649 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :523) [2008]  i'm testing Haiku   and it appears that it is a major shit   5+7+5, not 5+11, nooga
< 1319052526 715169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :666 makes no sense
< 1319052532 730712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log \d:  Vorpal: "still it's a flower in the sense that it's more experienced the nanny"
< 1319052533 489234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed
< 1319052545 281937 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-10-19.txt:19:28:52:  `log \d:  Vorpal: "still it's a flower in the sense that it's more experienced the nanny"
< 1319052550 324036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :osdjfdlkjsd;lfgsdg
< 1319052551 461398 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :523 is one of my favourites
< 1319052551 607988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :523 is good
< 1319052559 626977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [[:digit:]]:  Vorpal: "still it's a flower in the sense that it's more experienced the nanny"
< 1319052565 80153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: omg 523
< 1319052565 865813 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-09-30.txt:19:50:16:  Vorpal: "still it's a flower in the sense that it's more experienced the nanny"
< 1319052571 480967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`logurl 2011-09-30.txt:19:50:16:
< 1319052573 580138 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2011-09-30
< 1319052576 146603 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :523 is pretty amazing.
< 1319052593 955770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's a perl-fungot thing.
< 1319052594 301365 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my lame solution was just a silly little knowledge databse
< 1319052597 759103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 666
< 1319052599 926180 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1319052603 256829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Hey, I wrote that thing.
< 1319052603 582817 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: your system, you mean? you want to
< 1319052609 830332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Yes, my system. Apologise please.
< 1319052610 317648 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: define innovation. it's not because you're the one who was asking about your example.
< 1319052619 943309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I wasn't trying to be innovative!
< 1319052620 456893 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey now, its called ' the report on scheme, the innermost parentheses fire first and the second is the creation of egobot
< 1319052622 971897 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is getting better
< 1319052623 463400 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: it takes a list of elements and need to take a moment's rest arguments unless it absolutely has to, via a trivial isomorphism of bf.
< 1319052629 584162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: the fungot style is the best, really
< 1319052629 834139 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'd prefer clog
< 1319052637 534830 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style clog
< 1319052637 724358 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found.
< 1319052644 13041 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly fungot
< 1319052644 159817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's a mix of all the sets, weighted by how much we liked them
< 1319052644 400807 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: i grew up they started smoking at the age of 8?
< 1319052646 7789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(= picked them)
< 1319052654 883348 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → crappy part of Ireland

< 1319052658 557626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:50:53:  elliott, WHAT IF IT'S JUST REALLY HARD CLOTH
< 1319052664 114790 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Catholic Belfast?
< 1319052664 431899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I thought you were already there.
< 1319052674 490793 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → even crappier part of Ireland

< 1319052676 625809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1319052682 538209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So, Scotland?
< 1319052695 391965 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → shut up elliott 

< 1319052701 126485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Wales???
< 1319052712 850596 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isle of Man?
< 1319052718 338839 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iceland?
< 1319052720 248657 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :South Ireland?
< 1319052720 748464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319052721 239527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319052721 641567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319052722 101098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319052722 533593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319052725 860537 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :493)  Taneb: See, it's Obama's fault the guy's apartment is now worth less than their mortgage and something something something that translates to not being able to look for a proper fix.   Someone with that sort of grasp of logic shouldn't be allowed anything more computationally powerful than a plastic spoon
< 1319052729 154951 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :151)  ais523: elf corpses are not considered expensive health food. but the most expensive.
< 1319052731 38720 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :195)  comex: what?   *vorpal   comex: hi, tab-complete completed c to comex instead of Vorpal, dunno why
< 1319052736 232649 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :562)  software patents strike again   that's got to be at least three times, now   are they out yet?
< 1319052736 768074 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :413)  The system I kind of have in mind makes a flying train a natural consequence.
< 1319052748 157125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :195 isn't that good
< 1319052759 461148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :493's a bit meh
< 1319052770 230769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :493's would be better with just the taneb line
< 1319052770 447331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the other three
< 1319052777 829149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right, it would
< 1319052781 726576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it isn't that
< 1319052782 407491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so
< 1319052783 605623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 493
< 1319052785 341095 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1319052785 575107 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1319052789 391257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION likes 195, personally

< 1319052800 856452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird taste in quotes
< 1319052801 606623 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shall we add the Taneb line back in?
< 1319052812 565209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1319052817 187345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if we can splice it in the right place
< 1319052821 619882 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tricky
< 1319052822 418657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl
< 1319052822 565410 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006)
< 1319052823 149290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know sed? :P
< 1319052832 423897 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, can it be done?
< 1319052833 169058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I do, sort-of
< 1319052844 767704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd have been easier to sed before the deletion, by quite a way, though
< 1319052851 244682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: copy all lines but N verbatim
< 1319052852 926750 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, everyone knows sed here
< 1319052856 118556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: on N, do {print; print another line}
< 1319052862 639014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, probably olsner will be able to do that
< 1319052877 632138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :N=492 here, if you start numbering from one
< 1319052888 486811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although we can still do "195i\\\nline to add"
< 1319052895 852540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, 492, not 195
< 1319052905 655114 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what ais523 just said :)
< 1319052910 110534 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need the \\\n, surely?
< 1319052919 667803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: no as a GNU extension
< 1319052924 178548 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it's escaped, you need backslash newline
< 1319052931 930304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need backslash-newline in actual sed
< 1319052934 216042 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Evidently I'm GNU
< 1319052944 473345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a GNU extension that lets you omit it for adding a single line
< 1319052957 337484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '492i Someone with that sort of grasp of logic shouldn't be allowed anything more computationally powerful than a plastic spoon' quotes
< 1319052957 752751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is it i or a
< 1319052959 242688 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string
< 1319052964 205085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :waht
< 1319052965 707099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "shouldn't"
< 1319052968 356900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :contains a '
< 1319052969 649812 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"3i\\\nfoo" --> line 3 is now foo
< 1319052972 219327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i "492i Someone with that sort of grasp of logic shouldn't be allowed anything more computationally powerful than a plastic spoon" quotes
< 1319052974 88188 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1319052975 795068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: argh
< 1319052976 867284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1319052977 975427 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1319052986 511956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/rev/e40069cec137
< 1319052986 688560 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 492
< 1319052987 861428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1319052988 943065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was right
< 1319052989 89832 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :492)  Someone with that sort of grasp of logic shouldn't be allowed anything more computationally powerful than a plastic spoon
< 1319052990 47123 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: no, that's not i, that's c
< 1319052991 203354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319052991 662270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1319052996 283465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 492
< 1319052998 655978 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1319053003 609328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ten, nine
< 1319053004 806968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eight, seven
< 1319053005 586612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :six, five
< 1319053006 45860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i "493i Someone with that sort of grasp of logic shouldn't be allowed anything more computationally powerful than a plastic spoon" quotes
< 1319053008 97518 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1319053015 85542 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo "x\ny\nz" | sed 2ifoo
< 1319053015 232123 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :x
< 1319053015 232209 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo
< 1319053015 232253 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :y
< 1319053015 232296 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :z
< 1319053017 822458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i adds before the line, a adds afterwards
< 1319053017 969260 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 493
< 1319053019 965157 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :493)  Someone with that sort of grasp of logic shouldn't be allowed anything more computationally powerful than a plastic spoon
< 1319053024 489777 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it worked
< 1319053029 730370 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Maybe I'm confused, is that not line 2
< 1319053032 795688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/shortlog/e40069cec137
< 1319053034 399039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf?
< 1319053042 352722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come my newer sed sin't there
< 1319053046 541124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my delquote
< 1319053049 655605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant:  elliott: i adds before the line, a adds afterwards
< 1319053059 595538 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's what I meant
< 1319053060 752258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it's now correct
< 1319053063 387744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : `quote 493
< 1319053063 534433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 493)  Someone with that sort of grasp of logic shouldn't be allowed anything more computationally powerful than a plastic spoon
< 1319053068 564549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't it in the fshg???
< 1319053073 295706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319053073 548520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1319053074 722418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there it is
< 1319053081 227873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319053081 596543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319053082 122703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319053082 501394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319053082 867925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319053090 497899 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :83)  if you watch jaws backwards it's a movie about a giant shark that throws up so many people they have to open a beach
< 1319053092 351273 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :462)  [...] only the hamster's nervous system was tortured. although probably torturing a large logical gate constitutes a horrible thing to do if it comes in a cute container.
< 1319053093 268897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, because you went "add before 493"; "add after 492" would have worked just as well
< 1319053097 908957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :83 is plagiarised
< 1319053102 139956 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :437)  I'm not even going to try and understand what you're proposing.   i understand it perfectly.  it's completely nuts.
< 1319053102 323460 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :395)  I can trust elliott_ to have an opinion on anything and everything  Yes.  And the best thing is: it is the correct opinion.
< 1319053103 925325 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :21) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE:  there is plenty of room to get head twice at once
< 1319053119 224565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the ALTERNATE UNIVERSE quotes
< 1319053122 75447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [[:digit:]]:  I'm not even going to try and understand what you're proposing.
< 1319053123 651398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love 395
< 1319053126 755780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was me who added it
< 1319053128 67492 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-06-14.txt:05:01:02:  I'm not even going to try and understand what you're proposing.
< 1319053128 214317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 83 is the worst by definition
< 1319053130 415533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 83
< 1319053132 560745 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1319053134 273962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`logurl 2011-06-14.txt:05:01:02:
< 1319053136 526984 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2011-06-14
< 1319053137 881204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed, if plagiarised
< 1319053140 978145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/7yxud/if_you_watch_the_movie_jaws_backwards_its_a_movie/
< 1319053142 987684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they even sell shirts of it
< 1319053146 527962 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think we should work together to get more Hexhamites into esoteric programming
< 1319053146 768710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK
< 1319053151 160182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: oh no
< 1319053166 922602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to addquote that
< 1319053176 831208 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if slaughterhouse five is the first one of movies-backwards-thingies (it's, you know, a famous book and all)
< 1319053185 732630 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an obvious idea in hindsight
< 1319053237 170171 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :shhhhhhhhhit
< 1319053255 603763 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :never rely on tab completion in bash
< 1319053260 462647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: what did you just do?
< 1319053269 537138 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just deleted db on a production server
< 1319053272 308608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1319053274 328774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have backups?
< 1319053280 88171 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't have privledges to restore it
< 1319053284 717179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what?
< 1319053286 440925 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you read slaughterhouse five backwards it's a book about forgetting all about that watching movies backwards business
< 1319053299 30031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who has privileges to delete the production db, but not to restore it?
< 1319053303 155923 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to wait for the administration
< 1319053304 571573 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1319053306 399384 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :sick
< 1319053306 976166 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1319053308 699776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I once accidentally deleted all the files in my home directory
< 1319053319 685124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not recursively, luckily
< 1319053324 351010 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have three times deleted all my files everywhere
< 1319053327 783240 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did that too
< 1319053328 520600 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In three different ways
< 1319053331 261459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most of my important stuff's in directories
< 1319053389 292002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319053390 67865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319053390 690962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319053391 179563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319053392 180477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319053393 736065 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :16)  Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it.
< 1319053398 182244 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :609)  well, oerjan has a lot of opinions on this, so I'll hand it over to him
< 1319053398 344337 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :611)  now that we've cleared that up let us hug fungot =   elliott_: let's not start that again."
< 1319053404 42574 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank the maker!
< 1319053405 321662 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :29)  so, he.. uh  basically probed me with a weasel.
< 1319053406 141969 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :304)  zzo38: you missed the point. the point was way stupider than that.
< 1319053407 653849 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how air is city?
< 1319053412 422921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: yes
< 1319053421 191879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 29, yes?
< 1319053437 197873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I wasn't looking, let me read it
< 1319053441 856845 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had an idea for a fungot style:
< 1319053444 403123 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: that is the impression the commission' s great unwillingness to show flexibility in the labour market to new immigration, when we play games with montenegro and with southern serbia. this initiative raises various complex problems, which involve agreement with the european gauge high speed network of the leading economic, financial and banking timetable. on the basis of rule 8. notification of resignation in an official
< 1319053448 818696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yep, 29
< 1319053451 257048 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, it sucked
< 1319053451 810546 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevermind
< 1319053456 903362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 29
< 1319053458 94455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: go on
< 1319053459 47682 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1319053462 548677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other four are all good
< 1319053464 849052 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uncyclopedia
< 1319053478 51589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that'd suck
< 1319053512 313881 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How hard is it to add styles?
< 1319053538 771200 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a list of styles? which style is best?
< 1319053560 224499 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1319053560 410801 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl* ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1319053592 320311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [[:digit:]]:  zzo38: you missed the point. the point was way stupider than that.
< 1319053594 878554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: fungot is the best style
< 1319053596 950593 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-02-26.txt:22:17:09:  zzo38: you missed the point. the point was way stupider than that.
< 1319053597 525448 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: mrs president, you will see that we have once again a very brief comment on the law on the fnord of china. the hong kong talks, yet we assist mr giscard d'estaing by having a private, non-profit company that has produced fairly good economic growth and safeguarding the principle of mutual recognition in a sector that includes the views expressed, especially as regards schools and libraries, i.e. more employment opportu
< 1319053600 216863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Uncyclopedia
< 1319053600 962364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eurgh
< 1319053603 720437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`logurl 2011-02-26.txt:22:17:09:
< 1319053606 67367 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2011-02-26
< 1319053629 448388 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fungot
< 1319053629 595056 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fungot (What I've said myself)
< 1319053658 929070 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's based on ... what it's already said?
< 1319053669 131293 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what *I* have said?
< 1319053671 362998 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cycle "fungot"
< 1319053671 540862 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube comments)
< 1319053672 281948 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "fungotfungotfungotfungotfungotfungotfungotfungotfungotfungotfungotfungotfu...
< 1319053677 454167 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cycle "fungot "
< 1319053677 649658 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: " so that the text. perhaps the cards, you've been contemplating what could it be it by now. try. i've often amused myself that way. consider this platform i am aware, commissioner, that there are no gentiles in the garden, examining the fastenings of the drawing-room window, washing and the summoning of the small piece of source code anywhere there's whitespace is ignored and made my own) so it wont have
< 1319053678 277596 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "fungot fungot fungot fungot fungot fungot fungot fungot fungot fungot fung...
< 1319053686 950205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot ignores lambdabot.
< 1319053687 134518 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: to, uhhh....... uncool it online. it was an unmanned flight--thanks for doing your homework. seriously, read description :) ( maybe i suck at english as u suck at english as u suck at english as u suck at english as u suck at english as u suck at english as u suck at english as u suck at english as u suck at english as u suck at english as u suck at english as u suck at english as u suck at english as u suck at english
< 1319053690 801408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's based on ... what it's already said?
< 1319053690 948262 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube ( some youtube comments)
< 1319053692 404055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yep
< 1319053695 321801 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, that's clever
< 1319053701 785591 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what is love?
< 1319053701 932400 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: perhaps, if i could but learn is when you're fairies, you know, that thing
< 1319053726 370919 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost accurate, too!
< 1319053743 620059 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how likely is fungot achieving sentience?
< 1319053743 894608 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: that is just a value of type is created containing the syntax for mark if he was really gonna ' let' me keep. i will walke my selfe, richard. then, heaven, i love thee well; and, by my friend, c
< 1319053769 536127 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There could be a Shakespeare style?
< 1319053773 136915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is
< 1319053775 361318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ss
< 1319053785 338145 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh
< 1319053792 27718 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, how can the fungot style be any good if it's just repeating old stuff?
< 1319053792 292484 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner:, so i'd be happy to help an fnord archive) implementations, more implementations, more implementations, more implementations, more implementations, more implementations, more implementations, more implementations, more implementations, more implementations, more implementations, more implementations, more implementations, more implementations, more implementations, more implementations, more implementations, more implem
< 1319053792 896671 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was Spades Slick or something
< 1319053803 417496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: because it's /all/ the styles mixed together
< 1319053804 808285 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, interestingly
< 1319053809 529841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: proportionately to how much they said
< 1319053813 336647 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right
< 1319053816 427211 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I am thirsty
< 1319053819 998570 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will go and drink
< 1319053823 643026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: and fungot has been around long enough that it's large enough for that to work
< 1319053823 789629 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that is just a value of type is created containing the syntax for mark if he was really gonna get worse and worse each week,
< 1319053829 1393 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 NICK :Taneb|Drinking
< 1319053831 294857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: plus it has like program outputs and stuff which is fun
< 1319053852 422639 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot does more things than the fungot thing?
< 1319053852 601724 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp
< 1319053872 356349 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why is it quoting me the styles again
< 1319053892 822238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: because fungot can list styles
< 1319053892 985953 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: or is it just me, or i: yet, you rogue!
< 1319053898 590307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that corpus is everything's fungot said
< 1319053898 737347 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube comments). the other compiler; c-intercal uses c. 0 is 9" minutes ago! :p) then performed by marilyn manson.its a instrumental but even democrats have a lying, and love the video
< 1319053900 893332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes, of course
< 1319053906 601793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help
< 1319053906 774115 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def   ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
< 1319053909 416533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cmds
< 1319053915 602104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I swear ^cmds was the thing
< 1319053916 159471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show
< 1319053916 306213 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr
< 1319053920 288911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there
< 1319053940 232975 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :^str 7 get
< 1319053940 379508 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Empty.
< 1319053941 946983 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube
< 1319053942 93550 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments)
< 1319053945 407103 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hi.
< 1319053945 603597 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: fuck you, jaybedwell.
< 1319053955 624316 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, how's today..?
< 1319053955 877930 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: lol, this happened in june 1988.
< 1319053960 233482 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, are you crazy?
< 1319053960 580908 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: if you shoot a tank in the autothrottle. during the cold war. and deep inside ( sounds verry stupid)i already was like a fucking waste of space and i
< 1319053966 166028 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1319053976 172073 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this what Youtube's collective consciousness is like?
< 1319053992 720454 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, does fungot actively seek out new youtube comments, or how does that work?
< 1319053992 983102 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: its good for about 10 seconds and then suddenly go girlie and then i jizz in my pants
< 1319054014 806093 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :jizzing after going girlie, that's something
< 1319054016 80728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fungot
< 1319054016 228787 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fungot (What I've said myself)
< 1319054028 280955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no, asiekierka just copy-pasted like ten comments
< 1319054031 201963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he has no idea how to program
< 1319054038 178759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then fizzie was forced to add them out of sympathy
< 1319054064 852124 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, ok...
< 1319054100 827425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: indeed
< 1319054108 118890 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka can program... just not well...
< 1319054114 666374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he couldn't then, at least
< 1319054124 882879 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a google search for youtube comment corpus led to a python program to automatically extract comments from youtube
< 1319054125 155881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was in '09
< 1319054182 594481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319054183 254861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319054183 713263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319054184 167562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319054184 688366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319054188 584632 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :282)  The context is Gracenotes releasing an illegal copy of a film about monster cock dildos.
< 1319054192 79845 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :113)   fungot!*@* added to ignore list.  AnMaster: i'd find that a bit annoying to wait for an ack.
< 1319054192 353000 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :618)  this strikes me as probably better than a singularity, because you can't trust a random AI, but you can probably trust olsner
< 1319054198 393262 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :679)  When my registrar is emailing me that codu.xxx is available, that's a problem.
< 1319054199 46571 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :445)  as always in sweden everything goes to a fixed pattern: thursday is queueing at systembolaget to get beer and schnaps, friday is pickled herring, schnaps and dancing the frog dance around the phallos, saturday is dedicated to being hung over
< 1319054210 250513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :618 is the best there
< 1319054227 223159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :113 is good; 618 is good; 679's OK; 445 is also OK; I don't like 282 all that much
< 1319054246 34056 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the context for 282 is the thing that it is the context for
< 1319054261 846306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :282's humour derives from a previous quote that is actually funny
< 1319054262 269808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1319054263 863896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 282
< 1319054266 48255 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1319054277 982438 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 281
< 1319054280 143684 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :281)  HELLWORLD!   It's like HELLO WORLD, except not *quite*.   There is more agony.
< 1319054281 170305 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one?
< 1319054290 693153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1319054359 367447 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319054361 295491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319054361 585941 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :225)  ONLY GOOD QUOTES PLEASE!  AND NO FAKE ONES EITHER!
< 1319054362 109027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319054363 37249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319054363 965122 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :123)  alise: why internet is like wtf
< 1319054364 112296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319054365 487154 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :473)  elliott: You have become the very thing you fought for!
< 1319054365 634104 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :237)  Maybe they should just get rid of Minecraft. If more people want it someone can make using GNU GPL v3 or later version, with different people, might improve slightly.
< 1319054366 716659 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :73)  I want to read about Paris in the period 1900-1914    not about the sexual preferences of a bunch of writers >.>
< 1319054382 345027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :225 is bad and also breaks the rules, but 73 is also bad
< 1319054386 436881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest are good
< 1319054426 905710 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if 225 is bad, then breaking the rules it itself tries to set should count for ... something?
< 1319054431 962271 :Taneb|Drinking!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 NICK :Taneb
< 1319054433 341535 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1319054445 553474 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not
< 1319054448 355218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's a forged quote :P
< 1319054452 521815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 225
< 1319054454 626880 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1319054476 233906 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89A44.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319054479 424531 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad, fake *and* simultaneously trying to forbid bad or fake quotes?
< 1319054489 565306 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's almost irony
< 1319054489 885721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319054499 265646 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319054499 413507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it is called a joke
< 1319054524 702679 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! ok
< 1319054697 166071 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should make fungot activate automatically after a set period of silence
< 1319054697 349081 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: to. why, this is for you guys are a lot of the design, prisoners and slaves that have sucked. rephrase: " i tried todo a _" is 0 1215: ( files " machines/ mips/ decls"
< 1319055021 466358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: 2 hours, doubling with each message, dropping to 0 after other people speak?
< 1319055052 673136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it should be six hours, and set the topic
< 1319055055 959756 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319055061 741781 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello everyone!
< 1319055065 515745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi again citiral
< 1319055069 718670 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Told'you I'd be back.
< 1319055076 991254 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's ... frugal :) I was thinking more like a 5 minute timer that resets whenever someone says something
< 1319055085 670509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're reinventing optbot again?
< 1319055089 113576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :citiral: No, you're a different citiral.
< 1319055100 719151 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the same citiral as yesterday.
< 1319055108 946863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it'd be really spammy with nobody online
< 1319055120 823879 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember rambling about GTA, so it must have to be me yesterday.
< 1319055124 38563 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep! :)
< 1319055130 946080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :citiral: implanted memories
< 1319055139 998229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it would pad out logs
< 1319055141 617042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to a constant length
< 1319055148 965567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pls
< 1319055162 550499 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like mind-jacking.
< 1319055174 58251 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :The real citiral's body is hidden in the closet.
< 1319055180 417889 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would only really be useful for cases where people have been talking a lot but then suddenly run out of topic and stop
< 1319055216 689172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are infinitely many topics
< 1319055217 715462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319055219 99801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319055219 577277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319055219 723863 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :332)  Ohheywait, I can make it a raytracer instead of a photon tracer so long as I run time backwards.
< 1319055220 253015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319055220 864099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319055226 819031 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :521)  aibohphobia   The fear of palindromes
< 1319055227 164015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why don't we talk about esolangs sometime?
< 1319055228 540765 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :318)  addquoting yourself?  isn't that like commenting on your own facebook status?    Yup, but I'm JUST THAT AWESOME.
< 1319055231 88905 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: run out of the *current* topic then
< 1319055233 506916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were earlier, I think
< 1319055235 117081 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :46)  It looks like my hairs are too fat.  Can you help me split them?
< 1319055235 892126 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :149)  ais523: elf corpses are not considered expensive health food. but the most expensive.
< 1319055240 363450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: those suck
< 1319055254 184325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, those are all pretty good
< 1319055265 607163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :46 is the worst IMO
< 1319055269 275277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but am not sure if it's worth deleting
< 1319055285 699900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  ais523: those suck   hmm, those are all pretty good
< 1319055287 452852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mildly amusing
< 1319055287 824302 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :689)  ais523: those suck   hmm, those are all pretty good
< 1319055307 235088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that one is awful, but OK FINE
< 1319055316 843977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: giving you a new option of ones to delet
< 1319055318 267115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*delete
< 1319055320 748897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not terrible
< 1319055327 879308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1319055329 226305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319055330 118178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319055330 377256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319055330 642322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319055331 5581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319055333 21749 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2)  EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork"
< 1319055333 426967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the funnest game omg
< 1319055336 132296 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2)  EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork"
< 1319055337 923886 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :69)  i am sad ( of course by analogy) :) smileys)
< 1319055338 370894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1319055339 759532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that
< 1319055340 805883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :same
< 1319055341 556461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote
< 1319055344 215400 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :302)  just because i'm homosexual   doesn't mean i have sex with men.   ...i'm also a paedophile [...]  see if i'm a gay paedophile   i don't have sex with men   i have sex with BOYS
< 1319055345 803379 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :571)  I didn't realise nickel apparently can't be shaped into a screw because of some fundamental feature of dwarven physics.
< 1319055351 973779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DF quotes are all good
< 1319055353 175749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :universally
< 1319055356 607252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I'm restarting since it duplicated that one
< 1319055357 693531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319055358 276787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319055358 644809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319055358 882279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319055359 183896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319055365 408217 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :621)  We have no leather.   Time to use that most venerable of resources, the puppy.
< 1319055367 537816 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :653)  It's like Pygmalion and Galatea but more weeaboo.   Also lesbian.
< 1319055373 300299 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language are most bots written in here?
< 1319055378 46254 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :185)  pikhq, Okinawan? Wtf is that
< 1319055378 307517 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :540)  Oh god.   I've become a metallurgy hipster.
< 1319055379 563835 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :37)  I guess when you're immortal, mapping your fonts isn't necessary
< 1319055383 249451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, has anyone explained to citiral what we're actually doing here
< 1319055391 35635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :citiral: HackEgo is a Linux system so it's all sorts of languages
< 1319055392 617909 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I  was wondering...
< 1319055392 849709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot too
< 1319055397 69148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the actual bot code is C and sh
< 1319055400 692803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is Funge
< 1319055400 839402 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube*
< 1319055404 9708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot is Haskell
< 1319055413 315838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog is... dunno, but it never speaks :-)
< 1319055413 462757 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think you might need to explain that to me too, it's a bit hazy to me
< 1319055418 940124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot is C, I think maybe sh too
< 1319055424 142099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: cullin the quotes
< 1319055427 874481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thutubot is written in Thutu, but isn't here
< 1319055429 271645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 185, right?
< 1319055435 784270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you can get an error message out of clog
< 1319055440 168833 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are a lot of bots..
< 1319055441 292185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right, but we should stop this at some point
< 1319055446 399534 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watch out,  they might become sentient!
< 1319055446 548253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 185
< 1319055448 666703 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1319055448 813288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fiiiiine :P
< 1319055452 448309 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Skynet all over again�
< 1319055453 825946 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :!
< 1319055456 145796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :citiral: only four that ever speak
< 1319055457 774322 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: aah, is that what we're doing! carry on then :)
< 1319055468 227967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but ais523 said to stop.......
< 1319055470 823968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what does he mean, clearly you are sentient already?
< 1319055470 970873 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if that is not used commonly and carries with it an array subscript was too easy heh one time i figured if it's possible. " formal " desu" or " not provide" :)
< 1319055471 117517 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc2-king8-0-0-cust831.perr.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319055476 989735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+help
< 1319055481 877117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi thutubot
< 1319055482 224861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, I've forgotten how to work this thing
< 1319055483 806379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+hello
< 1319055483 953163 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc2-king8-0-0-cust831.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, ais523!
< 1319055484 905481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+haskell 99
< 1319055495 323592 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :+hello
< 1319055495 470183 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc2-king8-0-0-cust831.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, citiral!
< 1319055498 227888 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :+test
< 1319055499 664343 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he said to stop *at some time*, not now
< 1319055503 852885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, true
< 1319055506 75396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lambdabot's ignoring thutubot…
< 1319055511 809634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it was broken
< 1319055514 878225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (:aSS):aSS
< 1319055515 24996 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc2-king8-0-0-cust831.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:aSS):aSS
< 1319055516 129805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said that last tim
< 1319055516 545031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1319055518 242283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it broke somehow
< 1319055521 276924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you do the next batch (it's five `quotes)
< 1319055521 538441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, it sent the privmsg to lambdabot, but got no response
< 1319055526 363979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it's broken :-)
< 1319055526 510627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure exactly what happened there
< 1319055530 221938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you figured out how at the time
< 1319055534 364363 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how do these bots get hooked up to an IRC client?
< 1319055540 720572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRIVMSG lambdabot :@run 99
< 1319055543 175465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :citiral: they are IRC clients
< 1319055546 434743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :citiral: they don't, they connect to the server themselves
< 1319055550 500887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319055551 951291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC is a pretty simple protocol; you can do it by hand, if you like
< 1319055552 117241 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see.
< 1319055553 418493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from myndzi \o/
< 1319055554 48408 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                    |
< 1319055554 298172 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   /<
< 1319055556 168520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an mirc script
< 1319055560 126351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\m/    \o/   \m/
< 1319055560 472659 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :         |
< 1319055560 704370 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :        /<
< 1319055562 126559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww
< 1319055565 634372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :,o/     \o,
< 1319055567 777840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
< 1319055569 674602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm bad at this
< 1319055577 928964 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is myndzi a person? or does it only do the stick figures?
< 1319055589 475857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi is a person and bot sharing the same account
< 1319055606 411849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which lead to fun when I tried to manipulate the bot into getting the person to sign up for Agora
< 1319055614 655160 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg, the ambiguity, we can never be sure which of them is speaking
< 1319055617 551971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does myndzi repeat on, again?
< 1319055649 942964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate
< 1319055650 90217 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o| |o| |o/  \m/ \m/  |o/ \o/ \o|  \m/ \m/  \o| |o| |o/
< 1319055650 680531 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :  |   |   |    `\o/´    |   ¦   |    `\o/´    |   |   |
< 1319055650 960553 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : /'\ /<  /<      |     /´\ ´¸¨  |\     |      |\ /'\ /`\
< 1319055651 107192 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                /´\                   /'¯|_)
< 1319055651 107352 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :              (_| |_)               (_|
< 1319055655 897316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::')
< 1319055656 720863 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to write a bot in befunge-93 or -98?
< 1319055664 23262 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1319055664 170205 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98
< 1319055665 413562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :citiral: -98 actually has networking code
< 1319055667 852850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :citiral: you /know/ it's possible in -98, we've shown you fungot's source about ten times
< 1319055667 999566 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, it's not. it's more complex than that. read the code.) good stuff to colin kernel be the glass in its short justification, the committee on budgetary control, not going to refer to ur own name? ya)
< 1319055669 547534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fungot's written in it
< 1319055669 694242 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just to help an fnord archive) or " in meinen lederhosen" ( plural
< 1319055679 283144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-93 is doable with netcat
< 1319055683 250538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even EgoBot and HackEgo use netcat (well, socat)
< 1319055686 78105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in -93, it would be much harder, and you'd need an external program to connect it to IRC
< 1319055695 652840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but -93 is way too limited
< 1319055696 802786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thutubot uses netcat, which is probably simplest
< 1319055703 655319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do a hunt the wumpus bot but probably nothing else :)
< 1319055732 461939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (12)S(*a(~:)~*^~):((1)S)~*~((2)S:*)~*:(~:()~)~*^(a(:^)*~a(*()~)~*^~^):^
< 1319055736 153606 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if I write even the simplest of bots I may put him here, or do I first need some sort of approval?
< 1319055741 284499 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc2-king8-0-0-cust831.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1221121221221121122121121221121121221221121221211211221221121221221121121221211221221121221221121122121121221221121121221121122121121122122112122121122122121121122122112122121121122121121221121121221211221221121221221121121221121122122121121221121122121121 ...too much output!
< 1319055745 160652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :citiral: the basic rule is to try to avoid botloops
< 1319055748 653495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so get your bot to ignore other bots
< 1319055750 878918 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :" elliott: no, it's not. it's more complex than that. read the code." :)
< 1319055751 86133 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner:, so i'd make stuff up to. why, this is for you guys are a lot, but played so bad and missed that: ( :::ass. in case you missed that: ( :::ass. in case you missed that: ( :::ass. in case you missed that: ( :::ass. in case you missed that: ( :::ass. in case you missed that: ( :::ass. in case you missed that: ( :::ass. in case you missed that: ( :::ass. in case you missed that: ( :::ass. in case you missed that: ( :::ass.
< 1319055754 815281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, channels get spammed
< 1319055761 452476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: heh
< 1319055773 198930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's not a rule
< 1319055779 149615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks myndzi repeats on ACTIONS mentioning him

< 1319055779 710262 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks oerjan repeats on ACTIONS mentioning him

< 1319055780 848093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot doesn't do any ignores
< 1319055781 578521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I just made it up
< 1319055788 649929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, myndzi still does that?
< 1319055793 429729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and EgoBot/HackEgo's bot-loop protection is
< 1319055794 966360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has exceptions for Agora-related terms, IIRC
< 1319055795 168532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) bad;
< 1319055796 76882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b) new
< 1319055800 44 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hahaha, really?
< 1319055806 390614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION agrees to the following: myndzi

< 1319055807 82 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION agrees to the following: elliott

< 1319055809 626730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION agrees to the following Agora: myndzi

< 1319055812 849893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL
< 1319055818 418929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION Agora myndzi

< 1319055825 465138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :got sick of it, eh?
< 1319055826 554059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: really
< 1319055890 148124 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What punctuations are free for bots?
< 1319055896 135300 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this agora and how were you going to make myndzi's bot sign him up for it?
< 1319055905 827662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Agora is a game, a nomic played by email
< 1319055911 778951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been running continuously since 1993
< 1319055917 408284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to a rule that said that wins don't end the game
< 1319055945 180194 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523.
< 1319055947 970902 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does an ignore list work?
< 1319055949 33276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the idea was to get myndzi to agree to allow us to act on his behalf to cause him to sign up
< 1319055955 536989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: reasonably well, yes
< 1319055962 797098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't botloop if the bots pay no attention to each other
< 1319055963 201586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: iojfdogfgjkglkhgdflkjhg not those pings again
< 1319055968 825697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : citiral: the basic rule is to try to avoid botloops <-- hey preemptive ignores for new bots are against tradition!
< 1319055980 682361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed
< 1319055984 148393 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wut?�
< 1319055985 742942 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well...
< 1319055987 121450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ops keep having to be involved, or else bot owners
< 1319055997 384611 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :A hug bot wouldn't loop unless there are other huggy bots.
< 1319056005 961775 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means..
< 1319056006 285488 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3
< 1319056013 978245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, another possibility is to output only with a given prefix
< 1319056015 46199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?so what
< 1319056015 192885 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what not available
< 1319056015 340961 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc2-king8-0-0-cust831.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what not available
< 1319056021 542885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thutubot, no......
< 1319056024 944948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the bots here are capable of evaluating programming languages, anyway
< 1319056029 974629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : olsner:, <-- hm fizzie, isn't that missing space a bug
< 1319056030 121454 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: or is it just me, or i: yet, you rogue! pass him!
< 1319056040 789786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no
< 1319056044 252922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "is thutubot going to copy everything I say again?"
< 1319056044 967222 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "is thutubot going to copy everything I say again?"
< 1319056045 113908 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc2-king8-0-0-cust831.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "is thutubot going to copy everything I say again?"
< 1319056046 193387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it was explained a while ago
< 1319056058 312344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?so +ul (hello)S
< 1319056058 476569 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (hello)S not available
< 1319056058 626606 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc2-king8-0-0-cust831.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (hello)S not available
< 1319056065 11700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?so +ul (?so +ul)S
< 1319056065 193448 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (?so +ul)S not available
< 1319056065 340227 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc2-king8-0-0-cust831.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (?so +ul)S not available
< 1319056070 16302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, thutubot ignores lambdabot?
< 1319056076 771730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it the not available that trips it
< 1319056078 354314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, it just repeats everything it says
< 1319056084 517645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523:  +ul (?so +ul)S not available
< 1319056085 423925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't run
< 1319056086 601573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that codepath's taking precedence over the other codepath
< 1319056087 952662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (?so +ul)S not available
< 1319056088 287517 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc2-king8-0-0-cust831.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :?so +ul
< 1319056088 434398 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul not available
< 1319056088 434587 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc2-king8-0-0-cust831.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul not available
< 1319056089 481636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that evaluates Underload
< 1319056089 789175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1319056101 763318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it doesn't do both, which is not surprising given how Thutu works
< 1319056103 75081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well brb
< 1319056111 567342 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a bot that repeats whatever lambdabot says?
< 1319056124 658364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently so
< 1319056131 402376 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds... useful
< 1319056144 218263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was originally a joke
< 1319056151 414428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after implementing Underload in Thutu
< 1319056154 550362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pretended to implement Haskell
< 1319056162 876877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where it was actually done by asking Lambdabot for the answer
< 1319056177 29677 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1319056183 96796 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, clever :)
< 1319056186 535390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: no <-- but it means olsner isn't properly addressed
< 1319056206 353938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lambdabot ignores thutubot
< 1319056208 322570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in PM
< 1319056212 610619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (> 2+2)S
< 1319056212 757269 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc2-king8-0-0-cust831.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2+2
< 1319056213 497380 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  4
< 1319056214 628689 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc2-king8-0-0-cust831.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  4
< 1319056221 701626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in-channel, though, it seems
< 1319056245 977653 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may make a bot
< 1319056260 981060 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "properly"? I consider anything that has "olsner" in it somewhere as being addressed to me
< 1319056270 326826 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :voodoo
< 1319056275 715245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes
< 1319056275 897881 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?
< 1319056283 769097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ^
< 1319056296 475066 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I reserce '~'?
< 1319056305 869904 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I reserve it to?
< 1319056311 469011 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to use that is
< 1319056313 819947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thutubot +
< 1319056316 203852 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not good at it
< 1319056319 299662 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*this
< 1319056322 243795 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAARGH!
< 1319056323 904019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot also uses >
< 1319056335 215775 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :People use *
< 1319056342 648334 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb.
< 1319056345 448143 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :My bot already uses ~
< 1319056350 708756 :Vivio-chan!~vivio@ppp-70-251-229-235.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319056354 360881 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :There.
< 1319056355 174450 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's here.
< 1319056356 102682 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'#' then
< 1319056360 664868 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :~part
< 1319056360 811446 :Vivio-chan!~vivio@ppp-70-251-229-235.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net PART :#esoteric
< 1319056360 958210 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :=p
< 1319056371 760217 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1319056374 229219 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a ~prefix command
< 1319056375 547072 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use whatever.
< 1319056556 263628 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bot written in Piet would be interesting
< 1319056562 649354 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can set the prefix to "HEY PLEASE DO " if I wanted >>
< 1319056637 117467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambdabot also uses > <-- with a space after though, so unlikely to conflict
< 1319056845 295660 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bot just used its name as prefix
< 1319056852 75413 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm not very good at this
< 1319056857 412056 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was also completely useless)
< 1319056862 726452 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I make a bot that just looks things up on the wiki?
< 1319056869 84594 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if that fails on wikipedia?
< 1319056871 645618 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i worship llvm
< 1319056881 686850 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if that fails just googles them and returns the first hit?
< 1319057008 48337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I don't know, can you?
< 1319057015 986198 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not
< 1319057021 764546 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very good at this
< 1319057032 575739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wiki Velato
< 1319057034 192282 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wiki: not found
< 1319057038 692046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1319057044 327570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin
< 1319057046 104315 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ addquote \ allquotes \ calc \ define \ delquote \ etymology \ forget \ fortune \ frink \ google \ json \ k \ karma \ karma+ \ karma- \ learn \ log \ logurl \ macro \ marco \ paste \ pastekarma \ pastelog \ pastelogs \ pastenquotes \ pastequotes \ pastewisdom \ ping \ prefixes \ qc \ quine \ quote \ quotes \ roll \ runperl
< 1319057055 156164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it vbroke
< 1319057060 37374 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pastewisdom?
< 1319057065 696212 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastewisdom
< 1319057067 872640 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.21742
< 1319057102 321822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin | tail
< 1319057104 482571 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :runperl \ toutf8 \ translate \ translatefromto \ translateto \ units \ url \ wl \ word \ wtf
< 1319057109 117130 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"/tmp/paste.21742: FORTRAN program" :S
< 1319057173 454696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/pastewisdom
< 1319057175 111141 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ cat wisdom/* | paste
< 1319057193 47706 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom
< 1319057194 972909 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 \ augur \ c \ elliott \ everyone \ finland \ fizzie \ flower \ friendship \ gregor \ hackego \ haskell \ ievan \ intercal \ itidus20 \ monad \ monads \ monqy \ oerjan \ oklopol \ qdb \ qdbformat \ sgeo \ shachaf \ u \ vorpal \ welcome \ wiki
< 1319057211 902867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oklopol
< 1319057214 24141 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol "so i hear these blogs are getting popular, people like writing about their lives and shit. on this thing called the internet which is like a neural network only really stupid."
< 1319057240 313041 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? elliott
< 1319057242 606601 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott wrote this learn DB, and wrote or improved many of the other commands in this bot. He probably has done other things?
< 1319057261 215431 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? friendship
< 1319057263 442613 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :friendship wisdom
< 1319057347 390602 :derrik!~xix@194.150.65.81 QUIT :Quit: a bientot
< 1319057354 986416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quine quine
< 1319057356 922210 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quine quine? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1319057360 918193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1319057363 414919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine quine
< 1319057365 217031 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`quine
< 1319057394 98654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/quine
< 1319057395 808895 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1319057416 807020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? finland
< 1319057418 887512 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland is a European country. There are two people in Finland, and at least five of them are in this channel. Corun drives the bus.
< 1319057443 977470 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland is the largest esoteric programming community in the world
< 1319057448 528061 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Narrowly beating Hexham
< 1319057453 531256 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in Finland
< 1319057480 951125 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319057482 898291 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :92)  I can do everything a Turing machine can do, except love
< 1319057484 473467 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote finland
< 1319057486 840909 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1319057487 770418 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham isn't in Finland!
< 1319057495 356826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not any longer
< 1319057495 503481 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham's in hell!
< 1319057509 233893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hell is in norway
< 1319057514 189536 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXACTLY
< 1319057520 531144 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham: no longer not in Finland
< 1319057520 720398 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norway != Finland
< 1319057528 54216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q.E.D.!
< 1319057530 508856 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Despite many superficial similarities
< 1319057553 370493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like cold and heavy drinking
< 1319057570 650168 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sharing a border
< 1319057572 574582 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight
< 1319057574 328959 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1319057576 387060 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :norway has heavy drinking?
< 1319057599 496534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a weekend binge drinking tradition
< 1319057652 803659 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I suppose Finland has a continuous binge drinking tradition instead
< 1319057731 748313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i suppose.
< 1319057787 528428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [t]otall?er
< 1319057806 92123 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008-09-03.txt:20:35:59:  teetotaller
< 1319057816 605369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah humbug
< 1319057829 714923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [t]otall?er
< 1319057834 738777 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-10-17.txt:18:49:50:  ais523, I'm a teetotaller
< 1319057845 686734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log finn.*[t]otall?er
< 1319057850 388983 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1319057856 288527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
< 1319057858 18965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1319057861 619220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log fin.*[t]otall?er
< 1319057866 554581 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1319057873 869933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [t]otall?er.*fin
< 1319057878 375065 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1319057908 612120 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If you want a rexplanation: fungot does spacing by adding a space in front of regular words and some punctuation (opening parens etc.) but not others; so [foo][bar][.] properly turns into " foo bar." which is concatenated with "nick:" to get "nick: foo bar.". But it of course fails if the thing starts with no-space punctuation.
< 1319057908 758912 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: just to help an fnord archive) for fnord macros, a wonderful!' i am sorry, in particular candidate countries. if the transatlantic relationship, but the parliament has possessed him, yet he talkes well," he said, taking the tfy-0.201 course this autumn, that the poorest regions is not exacerbated by another divide, as you see, if all a human thinks it's about what sounds good when it's spoken. or read.
< 1319057932 89632 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Same thing is responsible for the extra spaces after opening (, " or '.)
< 1319057941 232452 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, a paren-imbalance. :/
< 1319057952 368023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was trying to find someone's comment to the effect that all finns are either alcoholic or teetotallers, but it may not have been said here, or in that way.
< 1319058031 185935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the parenthesis was probably eaten by the fnord
< 1319058057 853331 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it be possible to make fungot always match the parens? it's sooo annoying when they are mismatched :)
< 1319058058 10383 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: so, let's say i call them mindless games. if we hit every stupid person, any person going to the theater
< 1319058060 922298 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-33-19.resnet.ucsb.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319058089 549666 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I'm happy to accept a patch. (The Perl babble-testing script does keep a stack to force them to match.)
< 1319058105 328646 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1319058105 487199 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98
< 1319058141 803600 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The babbling is contained on lines 125-161.
< 1319058201 689053 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's even a comment.)
< 1319058207 273181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if you hit a context where only ) is possible?
< 1319058227 652870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might be tricky
< 1319058286 331476 :citiral!~ThaMan@d54C0A684.access.telenet.be QUIT :
< 1319058297 500096 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The Perl script doesn't modify the generation; as it constructs the string version of the output (internally it's generated as a list of tokens), it just skips over closing punctuation that doesn't match the stack, and at the end of the string closes all leftover open things.
< 1319058318 877857 :ive!~nn@189.179.247.113 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319058364 822866 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think I'll have to learn to read befunge first, that block of characters makes no sense to me
< 1319058404 621236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might not help
< 1319058405 335748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1319058406 485348 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure which block does what; I think lines 163-169 are a binary search, but I can't quite recall what it's for.
< 1319058433 602621 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did fizzie write this?
< 1319058442 166658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1319058467 266302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: (why ask me and not fizzie?)
< 1319058477 801881 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, not sure why I did that
< 1319058479 715341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he might have gone insane in the process
< 1319058487 583886 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit of a write-only language.
< 1319058516 530761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: fizzie might deny it, I guess
< 1319058527 531241 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I think it does at least do the same thing which is to produce first a list of integer tokens, and then later turn all those into a string.
< 1319058528 106461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, it's more readable than Mycology
< 1319058576 815471 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, the binary search is probably used for "find the subnode for the next token in context", that makes sense. Especially since it's "called" from so far up.
< 1319058578 546082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 151                   >  ^                         0SE":,)'..!f"('?/s
< 1319058587 236073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What does that string do
< 1319058595 230157 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a comment. :p
< 1319058603 522077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What.
< 1319058606 401294 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the jump table below.
< 1319058611 443437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO comment
< 1319058630 5615 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each letter denotes what the 'v' below it corresponds to.
< 1319058639 90326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice.
< 1319058666 711043 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 being "UNK" i.e. fnord, S/E being the (empty) sentence start/end tokens, most of the punctuation being exactly what they are, and 'f'/'s' are I think "frown" and "smiley" maybe.
< 1319058684 461496 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the v change the direction of the instruction pointer to go down? so how does it get to those 'v's below that line?
< 1319058705 509928 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's the "j" next to them; that pops from the stack and jumps that many slots.
< 1319058711 473163 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :jvvvvvv is a "common" jump table idiom.
< 1319058714 536303 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah
< 1319058728 897479 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the first . is a "." and the second . is a "...", obvsly.
< 1319058743 837911 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :obvsly.
< 1319058745 553213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should have used ( and ) for f and s, if that's okay. :p
< 1319058796 152761 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the entry point to that block?
< 1319058828 111622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Favourite esoteric languages:
< 1319058828 258377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck
< 1319058828 258581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ook!"
< 1319058832 46756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Favourite non-esoteric languages:
< 1319058832 193476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Visual Basic.NET
< 1319058832 193683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pascal"
< 1319058833 27799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear
< 1319058842 417340 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: The first > on line 152 is where it comes in from the v in line 136, I'd say.
< 1319058872 33331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if someone _wanted_ to troll us, they'd put in those, wouldn't they
< 1319058881 612873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D
< 1319058886 622235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :favourite esoteric languages
< 1319058887 653545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vb.net
< 1319058888 355201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pascal
< 1319058891 95382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :favourite non-esoteric languages
< 1319058891 820996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck
< 1319058892 433071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ook
< 1319058906 332161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in fairness, their language is _not_ a bf derivative
< 1319058914 574080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok then
< 1319058924 411837 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: for this particular jump table? how about the whole markov-chain thingy?
< 1319058928 446977 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link?
< 1319058931 511228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: btw all the comments are at the bottom
< 1319058938 59411 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or the "catch-all own-name hook" as the comment above it seems to call it)
< 1319058943 112720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/User:Marcsances
< 1319058946 934726 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1319058964 543592 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wow, actual comments :O
< 1319058977 953722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: mostly storage locations :P
< 1319058993 748637 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Right, the whole thing starts with the >f1G07GF...
< 1319059008 501129 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: That's the "check if my own name is in the message" bit.
< 1319059023 694750 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, obviously
< 1319059047 663710 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know. f1G to get the own name, 07G to get the message, and F from STRN to do strstr.
< 1319059077 113470 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a list of "variables" (playfield locations) at the bottom.
< 1319059084 760361 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : 396   (15-,1): bot's nickname
< 1319059093 71163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :playfield? :p
< 1319059099 384100 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : 407   (*,6-x): command options, depending on amount
< 1319059130 15691 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This 'playfield' can be used for auxilliary storage when the stack alone will not suffice, but keep in mind that it also contains the running program." -- befunge-93 spec.
< 1319059139 225730 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose since this is 98, I should be calling it the funge-space.
< 1319059150 232985 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've gotten used to the 93 terminology, though.
< 1319059172 657109 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the comment in the code does say "fungespace storage:" appropriately.
< 1319059188 256674 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it also contains the running program, that means some of the code is overwritten by data during startup?
< 1319059188 462596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jitfunge was -93 right
< 1319059191 382348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or no
< 1319059208 155228 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's 98; 93 is a bit boring.
< 1319059209 388427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: or you just embed the data into dead code
< 1319059211 861245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: indeed
< 1319059218 539299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: didn't it segfault on mycology or something
< 1319059227 710862 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: The code is loaded starting at line 100.
< 1319059236 419070 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1319059249 814697 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't quite recall the latest state. At least it doesn't run through it.
< 1319059261 586506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: heh
< 1319059262 42569 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: In case of fungot, that is. Not in general.
< 1319059262 189201 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie:, so i'd be happy to help an fnord archive)
< 1319059282 847274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? it's the fnords that eat the ('s
< 1319059297 136742 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you mean line 1 of the file appears at line 100 in fungespace? or just that everything up until line 100 gets overwritten?
< 1319059326 58835 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: The former. There's a loader stub to set settings and load the main code at that offset.
< 1319059339 644851 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot-load-freenode.b98
< 1319059339 791709 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if it's ( syntactically) long... part ( it's likely that dalton! leave her alone!
< 1319059403 151111 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it could as easily read the nick, server, port things from a file instead, but that's the way it is at the moment.
< 1319059441 936160 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a silly snippet at the start of the code that's used by ^reload to wipe the code and reload an updated version. It might not exactly work all that well though.
< 1319059487 32306 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny with all the reversed strings in befunge code
< 1319059516 136157 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Detroppus ton GNIF. Detroppus ton NRTS. Detroppus ton KCOS. Detroppus ton EKCS."
< 1319059700 103440 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank god for vim's reverse insert mode
< 1319059717 687879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Detroppus ton, the infamous anvil-dropping spell
< 1319059752 924157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Emacs' picture-mode is pretty good for Befunge
< 1319059764 354442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lets you move the cursor in any of the compass directions after typing a key
< 1319059769 994915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can go backwards or upwards or whatever
< 1319059772 993602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even diagonally
< 1319059788 594656 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: wow, vim actually *has* that?
< 1319059795 285844 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Does it have arbitrary deltas?
< 1319059800 797370 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bonus: with wrapping?)
< 1319059802 10354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: not that I know of
< 1319059828 14928 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yes, :he ins-reverse
< 1319059863 596011 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: just found the docs on the interwebs too, well, mind blown
< 1319059882 939287 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note the unfortunate "There is no reverse replace mode (yet)."
< 1319059923 524210 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :These days I just use a selection-reversing mapping
< 1319060272 355459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note the unfortunate "There is no reverse replace mode (yet)."
< 1319060280 339332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: shouldn't you just be able to run every command on some kind of reverse-overlay
< 1319060331 954251 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :One should be able to do all kinds of things, but one can only reverse insert
< 1319060380 922189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: vim is the worst vim
< 1319060393 171326 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also the only vim and thus the best vim
< 1319060423 550044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: there are other vims i think
< 1319060433 806293 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're subsets of vims
< 1319060436 805614 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At best
< 1319060475 844531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hey, elvis even has a GUI
< 1319060514 325900 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it barfs on my .vimrc it's likely not much of a vim
< 1319060527 989533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Your .vimrc probably has, like, vimscript features only in vcs
< 1319060542 625338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereby vcs is whatever vcs vim use
< 1319060564 674332 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's compatible back to 7.0 but not 6.x
< 1319060586 576370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should say that vim is a crappy vi
< 1319060593 723674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They kind of gave up on the whole compositional commands model
< 1319060610 37875 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Partly
< 1319060632 242211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Come on, even regexp replaces happen outside of the command model
< 1319060637 80669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to operating on a region
< 1319060711 178275 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's partly because of how it has to be input; the command would be s/foo/bar/flagsregion and the  makes it a bit weird
< 1319060763 55521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I do not believe that is the real reason :P
< 1319060780 339339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm like 90 percent certain it's just historical
< 1319060785 435317 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319060789 518210 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a decent reason, if nothing else
< 1319060795 850556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Just put another / after the flags
< 1319060813 864420 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too typo-sensitive
< 1319060830 777441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Flags in {} after s
< 1319060837 292403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or actually
< 1319060838 410104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even in {}
< 1319060841 931038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just before the first /
< 1319060846 761489 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just have :'<.'> operate on the exact region, not the lines covered
< 1319060856 418136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'<.'>?
< 1319060868 900165 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's still typo-sensitive, you might want \/ but type / or whatever
< 1319060883 40158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Eh?
< 1319060887 443220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just a problem with regexps
< 1319060894 599088 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, regexps are typo-sensitive
< 1319060901 821309 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if they're an ex command you can edit them
< 1319060911 322 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's a normal mode command you have to restart at the first typo
< 1319060921 697898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That's a problem with normal mode, not regexps
< 1319060927 951520 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough
< 1319060934 251291 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now you're talking about something very non-vi
< 1319060938 814346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why shouldn't backspace/etc. pop up a command editor at the bottom
< 1319060940 161149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really
< 1319060951 387871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just adding an interpretation to otherwise-unused commands
< 1319060954 523403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm
< 1319060956 538280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/commands/keys/
< 1319061021 642060 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that could work to an extent
< 1319061044 70978 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather see normal mode work for editing ex commands :-P
< 1319061069 74287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Ctrl+E (or whatever) in normal mode pops up one-line frame at bottom containing currently written command, in normal mode
< 1319061096 20911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some other command runs the current line as a normal-mode command and closes it
< 1319061099 449095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tada
< 1319061101 397339 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/normal mode/command mode/ presumably
< 1319061114 238130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would command mode be
< 1319061123 343527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm
< 1319061124 58075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right
< 1319061162 728111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Although really, sam got it basically completely right
< 1319061169 840273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not being line-based, etc.
< 1319061181 154481 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'<,'> is the range corresponding to the current visual selection
< 1319061203 390325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mouthful
< 1319061212 425332 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's autofilled when you type : in visual mode
< 1319061224 835235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1319061268 825428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'd just have :'<.'> operate on the exact region, not the lines covered
< 1319061271 58995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, so you literally want Sam
< 1319061283 542140 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sam isn't a vim
< 1319061303 273293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you want Sam-like interpretation of ranges
< 1319061306 794644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/searches
< 1319061321 347796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sam vs. acme editor wars occur in the Plan 9 community" Between all three of them
< 1319061441 137788 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not like green eggs and ham / I do not like them, Vim-I-am.
< 1319061480 706777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vimium
< 1319061494 612318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :More people need to use sam/acme
< 1319061497 705775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Use sam or acme please
< 1319061498 237460 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 + 1
< 1319061499 80001 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2
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< 1319061505 177054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: plan9port's is fully integrated
< 1319061521 650696 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> putStrLn "hi"
< 1319061522 549664 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  
< 1319061522 696430 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc2-king8-0-0-cust831.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  
< 1319061528 207031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: kill thutubot
< 1319061535 572553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ and then the end of the line//
< 1319061539 5774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+quit
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< 1319061554 728740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, seems it doesn't respond to +quit nowadays
< 1319061562 764944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx
< 1319061568 402204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ilu thutubot it was just annoying
< 1319061579 316745 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the point of thutubot?
< 1319061612 9201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be written in thutu
< 1319061631 206180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs plan9port to hate the world a little less

< 1319061676 810201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gosh, swtch.com is so slow.
< 1319061704 674210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell putStrLn "Are you working yet?"
< 1319061719 962148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : beeeeeeeeeeeeep
< 1319061724 50078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : beeep :(
< 1319061731 610098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : :'(
< 1319061734 973919 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :swatch.com would be more timely.
< 1319061735 983486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help
< 1319061736 372350 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help .
< 1319061742 499113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would appear not
< 1319061764 604475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: HYUK HYUK HYUK which did you pick
< 1319061788 449854 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not pick them, fiz-I-am.
< 1319061800 124135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But I _demanded_ you to.
< 1319061810 440772 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well.
< 1319061832 498069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he does not like green acne and spam
< 1319061853 269172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OK _you_ decide.
< 1319061896 934130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You never code anyway.
< 1319061958 432973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it'll have to be spam.  green acne would ruin my last remains of sociability
< 1319061999 605744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no no no it is sam or acme.
< 1319062005 270145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: here, /you/ use sam or acme.
< 1319062016 635814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no I don't
< 1319062027 604869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a demand, not a statement
< 1319062093 799483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think mark-chu-carr?oll? mentioned on his good math/bad math blog previously that was writing a new editor based on acme
< 1319062119 14922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was acme.  something unusual, anyway.
< 1319062122 309961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that he
< 1319062143 655175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he did
< 1319062150 374036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apex
< 1319062156 178349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm
< 1319062159 638329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks rather incomplete :P
< 1319062169 922614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he hasn't mentioned it in a while
< 1319062171 422519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph, looks like he's using a gap buffer
< 1319062180 387482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally the Wrong Decision
< 1319062715 39076 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319062920 423047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a gap buffer?
< 1319062988 519240 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Gap_buffer
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< 1319064892 443499 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what do you suggest instead of a gap buffer?
< 1319064930 847846 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a balanced tree of lines seems sensible to me.
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< 1319070309 765669 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate the List monad
< 1319070332 855263 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't deal with infinite lists sensibly, bluh
< 1319070351 465500 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentioned it in #haskell, apparently there's no way to write the instance properly?
< 1319070364 610795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tree monad might be better for such a thing
< 1319070423 225089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there's that MonadLogic >>- thing which breaks the ordering but otherwise does something like what you'd want, iiuc
< 1319070471 547859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..] >>- map (,) x [1..]
< 1319070472 365083 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `[a]'
< 1319070472 511626 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type `SimpleRef...
< 1319070474 719949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1319070482 92649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..] >>- \x -> map (,) x [1..]
< 1319070482 912918 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `[t] -> [b]'
< 1319070483 59563 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type `[b...
< 1319070487 32 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what
< 1319070489 973193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (>>-)
< 1319070490 781867 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a b. (MonadLogic m) => m a -> (a -> m b) -> m b
< 1319070501 692895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1319070508 443787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..] >>- \x -> map ((,) x) [1..]
< 1319070509 205868 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [(1,1),(2,1),(1,2),(3,1),(1,3),(2,2),(1,4),(4,1),(1,5),(2,3),(1,6),(3,2),(1...
< 1319070513 358169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go
< 1319070638 276723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not very balanced in how often elements are taken from the first list though: 1 is picked 1/2 of the time, 2 1/4 of the time, 3 1/8, etc.
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< 1319070743 920781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Node
< 1319070744 608960 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. a -> Forest a -> Tree a
< 1319070810 523067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the wrong kind of tree to be a monad, iirc
< 1319070870 261272 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of tree is that?
< 1319070899 828142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forest a = [Tree a], iirc
< 1319070908 585659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node is the constructor
< 1319070949 106711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so each node has an a label, and a list of children
< 1319071064 130526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (Node 1 []) >>= \x -> (Node x []) -- let's check if it is a Monad anyway
< 1319071064 877442 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Node {rootLabel = 1, subForest = []}
< 1319071069 505558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh it is
< 1319071135 598264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> return 1 >>= \x -> (Node x [])
< 1319071136 498249 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Node {rootLabel = 1, subForest = []}
< 1319071152 561385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> return 1 :: Tree Int
< 1319071153 355360 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Node {rootLabel = 1, subForest = []}
< 1319071175 567830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but...
< 1319071244 183647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Node 1 [Node 2 [], Node 3 []] >>= \x -> Node x [Node (x+10), Node (x+10)]
< 1319071245 172788 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `Data.Tree.Tree t'
< 1319071245 355933 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred ty...
< 1319071267 208112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Node 1 [Node 2 [], Node 3 []] >>= \x -> Node x [Node (x+10) [], Node (x+10) []]
< 1319071268 46909 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Node {rootLabel = 1, subForest = [Node {rootLabel = 11, subForest = []},Nod...
< 1319071287 884851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah
< 1319071291 335751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so verbose
< 1319071460 676683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t showAsList
< 1319071461 415870 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `showAsList'
< 1319071467 976983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle showAsList
< 1319071468 349928 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found
< 1319071509 576378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t showListWith
< 1319071510 375918 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `showListWith'
< 1319071522 190262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Text.Show.showListWith
< 1319071523 5490 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (a -> ShowS) -> [a] -> String -> String
< 1319071542 411112 :ive!~nn@189.179.247.113 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1319071674 121127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let showsT s (Node x l) = ("Node (" ++) . s x . (") "++) . Text.Show.showListWith (showsT s) l; sT t = showsT show t
< 1319071674 633265 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : :5:55: Not in scope: `Text.Show.showListWith'
< 1319071680 558052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit
< 1319071885 663788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> levels $ Node 1 [Node 2 [], Node 3 []] >>= \x -> Node x [Node (x+10) [], Node (x+10) []]
< 1319071886 439110 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[1],[11,11,2,3],[12,12,13,13]]
< 1319071914 802207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that doesn't really give all information
< 1319071955 993630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much work.
< 1319071989 8308 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t levels
< 1319071989 864231 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. Tree a -> [[a]]
< 1319072010 235331 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Node
< 1319072011 73131 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. a -> Forest a -> Tree a
< 1319072016 647310 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1319072018 128447 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forest a!?
< 1319072027 479182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric := [Tree a]
< 1319072047 179804 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1319072149 75674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the module in question contains several methods for building trees, and some instances, but nothing that can be used to easily give it in a compact format :(
< 1319072155 322710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/libraries/containers-0.4.1.0/Data-Tree.html
< 1319072171 602790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the default Show instance includes all field names
< 1319072196 215281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, there is nothing there to take _apart_ trees recursively.
< 1319072310 430789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> drawTree $ Node 1 [Node 2 [], Node 3 []] >>= \x -> show <$> Node x [Node (x+10) [], Node (x+10) []]
< 1319072311 249719 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "1\n|\n+- 11\n|\n+- 11\n|\n+- 2\n|  |\n|  +- 12\n|  |\n|  `- 12\n|\n`- 3\n ...
< 1319072349 679180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@show "test"
< 1319072349 866828 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\"test\""
< 1319072355 305774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@read "test"
< 1319072355 556874 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : test
< 1319072386 33391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@msg lambdabot @run text . drawTree $ Node 1 [Node 2 [], Node 3 []] >>= \x -> show <$> Node x [Node (x+10) [], Node (x+10) []]
< 1319072386 255675 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough privileges
< 1319072390 638340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah
< 1319072452 960315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that worked, sort of, although i had to give @more twice
< 1319072586 316668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it appears that >>= simply concatenates the list part from the 1 with the list of results from 2 and 3
< 1319072663 429516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node x ts >>= f = Node x' (ts' ++ map (>>= f) ts) where Node x' ts' = f x
< 1319072709 345359 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1319072719 673923 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:24  I hate the List monad
< 1319072720 769860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that fulfil the monad laws i wonder
< 1319072727 657497 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the part where you criticise things before fully understanding them
< 1319072732 408580 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is what you always do)
< 1319072735 491810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1319072745 718707 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:34  Forest a = [Tree a], iirc
< 1319072749 515623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: well he did have a valid point
< 1319072752 355147 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, it's -- oh, Forest
< 1319072766 252444 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:55  the module in question contains several methods for building trees, and some instances, but nothing that can be used to easily give it in a compact format :(
< 1319072771 829177 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um that is what the draw functions are for
< 1319072781 573534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: those are not compact.
< 1319072785 228220 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine :P
< 1319072790 636288 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could they be more compact
< 1319072795 733342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially not compact enough to demonstrate with lambdabot
< 1319072836 197138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like the Show, except leaving out all the field fluff
< 1319072874 833366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to define it above but i gave up when showListWith was unavailable
< 1319072893 569649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showListWith
< 1319072894 359227 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `showListWith'
< 1319072919 884811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there _might_ be some obscure module prefix, of course
< 1319072935 635438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Text.Show already tested)
< 1319073040 150040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok >>= does fulfil 1st and 2nd monad laws, i think
< 1319073056 38948 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-33-19.resnet.ucsb.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319073096 942056 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well it's Text.Show.showListWith
< 1319073101 426236 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Text.Show.showListWith
< 1319073102 230724 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `Text.Show.showListWith'
< 1319073111 236111 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> TS.showListWith
< 1319073112 139522 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `TS.showListWith'
< 1319073114 93537 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Show.showListWith
< 1319073114 918630 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `Show.showListWith'
< 1319073116 725279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Text.Show already tested)
< 1319073116 872122 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> q
< 1319073117 729366 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  q
< 1319073119 587678 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah
< 1319073149 909937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot's little inconsistencies...
< 1319073209 745687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be some form which we didn't have to guess, which would have to be the fully qualified one with the actual module name.
< 1319073539 977556 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to see which modules are loaded?
< 1319073711 161616 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: yes, read L.hs
< 1319073714 507542 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?list
< 1319073714 766017 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS
< 1319073744 807361 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, ty
< 1319073760 981375 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help vixen
< 1319073761 200828 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands
< 1319073771 528635 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helpful
< 1319073777 6925 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help @vixen
< 1319073777 228196 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands
< 1319073791 643930 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help version
< 1319073791 866445 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :version/source. Report the version and darcs repo of this bot
< 1319073829 913110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: they tell me @vixen was removed
< 1319073833 606138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list vixen
< 1319073833 838083 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No module "vixen" loaded
< 1319073840 675485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list nixon
< 1319073840 857438 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote provides: quote remember forget ghc fortune yow arr yarr keal b52s brain palomer girl19 v yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw protontorpedo nixon farber
< 1319073863 476445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nixon added in its place
< 1319073865 684225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@nixon
< 1319073865 897437 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, it's a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish. What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob? What is the matter with them? I suppose it
< 1319073866 53666 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is because most of them are psychiatrists.
< 1319073888 510936 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help nixon
< 1319073888 729333 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Richad Nixon's finest.
< 1319073946 11682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this vague hunch @nixon is meant to insult precisely the kind of people who complained to get @vixen removed :P
< 1319073962 97087 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was @vixen?
< 1319073973 640365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, lambdabot's spelling correction means @vixen -> @nixon automatically now
< 1319074010 257659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a chatbot which behaved like a somewhat promiscuous girl
< 1319074039 412218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently you could get it to do some explicit sex talk if you knew how
< 1319074080 786426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so obviously offensive to conservatives
< 1319074094 615934 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vixen
< 1319074094 915077 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once you get into this great stream of history, you can't get out.
< 1319074236 48545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@nixon so what about african-americans?
< 1319074236 233592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You won't have Nixon to kick around anymore, because, gentlemen, this is my last press conference.
< 1319074255 407697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's not context-sensitive like @vixen was
< 1319074286 521829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ghc
< 1319074286 713059 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: Illegal unlifted type argument
< 1319074524 750322 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?ghc
< 1319074525 108499 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: There must be at least one non-type-variable in the instance head
< 1319074526 551442 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?nixon
< 1319074526 819024 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to face the fact that whole problem is really the blacks. The key is to divise a system that reconizes this while not appearing to...
< 1319074536 430301 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help ghc
< 1319074536 594672 :ive!~nn@189.179.247.113 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319074536 746569 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc. Choice quotes from GHC.
< 1319074547 29437 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1319074795 581001 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?nixon
< 1319074795 852686 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :People react to fear, not love; they don't teach that in Sunday School, but it's true.
< 1319074811 863997 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :?ghc
< 1319074812 163571 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: Type signature given for an expression
< 1319074868 420900 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-115.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319074892 275059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let a b * c :: Int in "test"
< 1319074893 26718 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : Invalid type signature
< 1319074913 564805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what would give that error message
< 1319074926 900792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might not any longer, though
< 1319074943 212626 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell/2002-November/010660.html
< 1319074952 101106 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo bar :: t
< 1319074954 168032 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at top level
< 1319074987 903873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you and your superhuman googling skills
< 1319075002 926114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1319075014 843296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let foo bar :: t in "test again"
< 1319075015 550996 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : Invalid type signature
< 1319075022 50101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1319075046 980299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let foo bar :: t
< 1319075047 326736 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Left-hand side of type signature is not a variable: foo bar
< 1319075049 792669 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's from two thousand and two, dude
< 1319075066 859476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1319075085 870025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i think i found the modern equivalent there, anyway
< 1319075704 330152 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src True
< 1319075704 609123 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. My brain just exploded
< 1319075711 252503 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUAHAHA
< 1319075741 337144 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw
< 1319075741 576712 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :V RETURNS!
< 1319075745 609577 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw
< 1319075745 882083 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\""
< 1319075748 758425 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw
< 1319075749 67626 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exception: <>
< 1319075758 202452 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw
< 1319075758 716542 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exception: <>
< 1319075759 583282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: @src has got much worse lately, i think
< 1319075765 545910 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would src find True
< 1319075783 610439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well _ideally_ it should give the definition of Bool there...
< 1319075787 219436 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, showing the data or newtype line would be a sensible thing to do
< 1319075816 980784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Bool
< 1319075817 200388 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Bool = False | True deriving (Eq, Ord)
< 1319075823 74944 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319075837 119393 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src (==)
< 1319075837 373283 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :x == y = not (x /= y)
< 1319075847 585227 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src (>>=)
< 1319075847 882961 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Just what do you think you're doing Dave?
< 1319075864 565729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a method default, and >>= has none
< 1319075869 952012 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, so, for class functions (is that the right term?), it will show the default it aavlable
< 1319075871 82549 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :available
< 1319075883 802318 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"method"?
< 1319075884 766467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if someone remembered to put it in
< 1319075892 758612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, method
< 1319075906 23690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's the term?
< 1319075941 187091 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should rewrite the Prototype MultiDispatch example in Haskell
< 1319075952 333685 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god Prototype MultiDispatch what
< 1319075973 806555 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Prototypes with Multiple Dispatch"
< 1319075991 381022 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean why in Haskell..
< 1319075993 574581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :method is used in the haskell report, yes
< 1319076017 193382 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I feel like that's just showing off Haskell's awesomeness
< 1319076067 548102 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, meh
< 1319076147 234170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come i haven't seen this before http://blog.plover.com/prog/burritos.html
< 1319076238 857124 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are thingies that you can combine with a function that takes some plain old thing and gives a thing and, in combining the thingy and the function to a thingy, you get another thingy
< 1319076318 251728 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when I said gives a thing, I meant gives a thingy
< 1319076338 300719 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENERGY FETUS http://imgur.com/a/dBz45
< 1319076351 576245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "Monads are thingies that you can combine with a function that takes some plain old thing and gives a thing and, in combining the thingy and the function to a thingy, you get another thingy" | sed 's/thing(ie|y)?/smurf/g'
< 1319076353 528721 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are thingies that you can combine with a function that takes some plain old thing and gives a thing and, in combining the thingy and the function to a thingy, you get another thingy
< 1319076357 864306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1319076401 877277 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-21-30.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1319076417 150463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "Monads are thingies that you can combine with a function that takes some plain old thing and gives a thing and, in combining the thingy and the function to a thingy, you get another thingy" | sed '%s/thing(ie|y)?/smurf/g'
< 1319076418 873550 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 1: unknown command: `%'
< 1319076433 701097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is wrong with my sed :(
< 1319076440 401656 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't say thingie oh wait yes I did
< 1319076531 497328 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs more perl.
< 1319076580 173076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1319076599 348272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "Monads are thingies that you can combine with a function that takes some plain old thing and gives a thing and, in combining the thingy and the function to a thingy, you get another thingy" | sed 's/thing\(ie\|y\)\?/smurf/g'
< 1319076601 328594 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are smurfs that you can combine with a function that takes some plain old smurf and gives a smurf and, in combining the smurf and the function to a smurf, you get another smurf
< 1319076604 948222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1319076712 188773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: something tells me DC doesn't do drug testing of employees
< 1319077015 679827 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um wat are you doing :P
< 1319077024 644134 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:02  how come i haven't seen this before http://blog.plover.com/prog/burritos.html
< 1319077032 82084 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because i only relinked it from the past in hash-haskell a few days ago
< 1319077041 137705 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my favourite monad tutorial
< 1319077053 20496 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:00  Because I feel like that's just showing off Haskell's awesomeness
< 1319077056 624764 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't even _know_ what that is yet
< 1319077068 16758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i think every time i've seen the link i've assumed it was something i'd already seen
< 1319077094 154642 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was shocked to learn that the wikibooks actually uses a spacesuit/nuclear waste analogy
< 1319077097 811589 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed it was parody
< 1319077101 611991 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/wikibooks/wikibook/
< 1319077163 990358 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: where did you see it this time?
< 1319077184 146214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :data BlackHole = BlackHole; instance Monad BlackHole where return _ = BlackHole; _ >>= _ = BlackHole
< 1319077190 985134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: in a reddit comment thread
< 1319077191 739889 :ive!~nn@189.179.247.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1319077221 793607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(inspired by the spacesuit)
< 1319077241 7588 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: violates the laws, I think
< 1319077247 415065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so?
< 1319077248 43578 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :undefined >>= return === BlackHole
< 1319077261 240992 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an oft-violated one, though :)
< 1319077264 958635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :grmbl i was wondering about undefined
< 1319077268 336496 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: see above
< 1319077271 288492 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think even IO violates that
< 1319077273 387838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then
< 1319077276 992932 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even more normal monads in the transformers library, too
< 1319077281 296984 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw, MaybeT _IS STANDARD_
< 1319077283 126571 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in transformers
< 1319077297 68877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :data BlackHole; instance Monad BlackHole where return _ = undefined; _ >>= _ = undefined
< 1319077304 221058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better
< 1319077313 608257 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: perfect
< 1319077334 723716 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think that fulfils all of the laws :P
< 1319077366 900572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit hard for that _not_ to fulfil an equality
< 1319077390 733102 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-200-72.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319077401 308869 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: data BlackHole a b; IS IT AN ARROW???
< 1319077414 143555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1319077424 323433 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-115.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1319077459 108364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the arrow of very short time left
< 1319077463 95465 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1319077478 325634 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the definitions of the methods are obvious
< 1319077482 89805 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I note that Control.Arrow fails to list the laws
< 1319077525 74180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1319077610 5557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :data BlackHole = BlackHole; instance Monad BlackHole where return _ = BlackHole; x >>= _ = x -- would that work?
< 1319077646 185543 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY'D YOU CALL IT A /BLACK/ HOLE? RACIST.
< 1319077663 373314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1319077683 246321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :return x >>= f has some trouble there
< 1319077768 621125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well it was not american, so i couldn't call it african-american could i?
< 1319077842 185582 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The RACIST part is that you're implying that people (and/or holes) of African descent steal things.
< 1319077854 491751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (undefined >>= putStr) `seq` "test"
< 1319077855 337247 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "test"
< 1319077878 593391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@nixon
< 1319077878 747783 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A public man must never forget that he loses his usefulness when he as an individual, rather than his policy, becomes the issue.
< 1319077884 947261 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:26  data BlackHole = BlackHole; instance Monad BlackHole where return _ = BlackHole; x >>= _ = x -- would that work?
< 1319077886 645600 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: looks right to me
< 1319077898 104459 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: except (BlackHole >>= fmap (const undefined))
< 1319077902 386154 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if that's a law though
< 1319077903 470813 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not
< 1319077907 336866 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since Nothing >>= fmap (const undefined) == Nothing
< 1319077950 370560 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 TOPIC #esoteric :Esolangers, get a life and shut up. Stop cluttering the IRC with your inane prattle. Go aestivate under a rock somewhere. ... In short, feep off and die. | 12345678^&!* | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1319077952 963137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i think it breaks return x >>= f = f x
< 1319077967 824361 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm right
< 1319077981 148607 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map undefined Nothing
< 1319077981 898194 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `[a]'
< 1319077982 155102 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type `Data.Mayb...
< 1319077987 909143 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fmap undefined Nothing
< 1319077988 667722 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Nothing
< 1319078160 983669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: who said that in the topic?
< 1319078287 832249 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fmap undefined $ Some 0
< 1319078288 575856 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: data constructor `Some'
< 1319078291 605355 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fmap undefined $ Just 0
< 1319078292 398033 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Just *Exception: Prelude.undefined
< 1319078293 393257 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep
< 1319078305 31926 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fmap (const undefined) $ Just 0
< 1319078305 564092 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yittra, in NomicWorld, ninety-three (or ninety-two, I don't know)
< 1319078305 781779 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Just *Exception: Prelude.undefined
< 1319078311 909153 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :**
< 1319078312 55944 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get a life, lindrum (Yittra, Sep 28 05:59)
< 1319078312 56134 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIndrum, get a life and shut up.  Stop cluttering the noticeboard with
< 1319078313 482567 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your inane prattle.  Go aestivate under a rock somewhere.
< 1319078315 483188 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :  You see, your judgement is not in the spirit of the game, hence
< 1319078317 481966 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is illegal.  Therefore, while you may think you have cleverly found
< 1319078319 481803 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a loophole you are just making an annoyance of yourself.  To be fair, I
< 1319078321 482909 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose I must admit the possibility that you were just tring to
< 1319078323 482804 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :get the game going before renouncing your 'powers' , but
< 1319078325 482452 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1015 and 1016 will do that anyway. In short, feep off and die.
< 1319078327 485012 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: after the Lindrum scam
< 1319078340 38774 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lindrum scam?
< 1319078343 373267 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that Yittra guy did quite the colourful insults: Kindly defenestrate yourself, idiot (Yittra, Sep 28 06:13)
< 1319078368 344706 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: the first major scam in NomicWorld, the first online nomic
< 1319078384 973832 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: holy shit, lindrum played agora?
< 1319078392 66026 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :briefly
< 1319078422 897433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cannot recall

< 1319078481 758489 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CFJ 1319: Called by neil (12 Sep); Judged TRUE by Lindrum (19 Sep)
< 1319078495 833090 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :    The listed Trading Accounts on the AgorEx web page are sufficient
< 1319078495 979848 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :    evidence of an Agreement between each listed Player and Lindrum in
< 1319078495 980011 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :    which the Player may demand that Lindrum pay em the specified
< 1319078497 437223 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :    amounts at any time.
< 1319078500 428972 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even...
< 1319078587 25038 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how Goethe hasn't changed in almost twenty years
< 1319078594 174319 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because he's ead
< 1319078594 800137 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dead
< 1319078597 765419 :evincar!~jon@province-wireless-173-84-26-152.dr02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319078629 364563 :evincar!~jon@province-wireless-173-84-26-152.dr02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for your help last night, those folk who were involved.
< 1319078646 645977 :evincar!~jon@province-wireless-173-84-26-152.dr02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Changing my types as mentioned worked out great.
< 1319078775 327485 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :You change your types as often as a girl changes her clothes
< 1319078811 401320 :evincar!~jon@province-wireless-173-84-26-152.dr02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because programming languages are for thinking up programs as much as they are for writing them.
< 1319078869 365427 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, hey!
< 1319078907 515131 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION holds his arms out, twirls around

< 1319078927 795757 :evincar!~jon@province-wireless-173-84-26-152.dr02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, most of the girls I know don't change their clothes excessively.
< 1319078961 152167 :evincar!~jon@province-wireless-173-84-26-152.dr02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do, however, wash them quite a lot more than the males do...
< 1319079086 236614 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Patashu greeting method
< 1319079114 718237 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :{
< 1319079117 20969 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :    return 0;
< 1319079117 529193 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :}
< 1319079223 228919 :evincar!~jon@province-wireless-173-84-26-152.dr02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm off. The wireless sucks where I am anyhow.
< 1319079229 694759 :evincar!~jon@province-wireless-173-84-26-152.dr02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net QUIT :Quit: G'night.
< 1319079254 142204 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319079567 343350 :ive!~nn@189.179.247.113 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319079573 473348 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PART :#esoteric
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< 1319079666 178168 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1319079975 842884 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever $ part elliott_ >> join elliott_
< 1319080025 371384 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, join is defined elsewhere
< 1319080102 395872 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle part
< 1319080102 685967 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.ByteString partition :: (Word8 -> Bool) -> ByteString -> (ByteString, ByteString)
< 1319080102 940471 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.IntMap partition :: (a -> Bool) -> IntMap a -> (IntMap a, IntMap a)
< 1319080103 87188 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.IntSet partition :: (Int -> Bool) -> IntSet -> (IntSet, IntSet)
< 1319080326 67229 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just my imagination, or does Learn Haskell in 10 Minutes suck?
< 1319080342 430988 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://norvig.com/21-days.html
< 1319080397 453135 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, why did I think that it sucked?
< 1319080405 952968 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://norvig.com/21-days.html
< 1319080417 905095 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I want something I can show professors and other students >.>
< 1319080429 935109 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the incompetent idiots?
< 1319080437 596322 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am sure they will be inspired
< 1319080447 468789 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you read that page in the time it took to respond?
< 1319080480 549390 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I didn't :/
< 1319080498 93661 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed.
< 1319081037 556428 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi guys im back did i miss the fun
< 1319081067 175237 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately.
< 1319081087 325042 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix ("Yes " ++)
< 1319081088 871414 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Ye...
< 1319081183 86151 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix brokenThing
< 1319081184 562808 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Fixed.
< 1319081433 845264 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> brokenThing
< 1319081434 688852 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show
< 1319081434 865854 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :                             (t -> ...
< 1319081438 245541 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> brokenThing ""
< 1319081439 769319 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Fixed.
< 1319081444 707404 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> brokenThing (text "")
< 1319081446 230152 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Fixed.
< 1319081454 829152 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?check \x -> brokenThing x == text "Fixed."
< 1319081455 525170 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `brokenThing'
< 1319081458 498374 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1319081462 268596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> brokenThing undefined
< 1319081463 682699 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Fixed.
< 1319081495 190119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t brokenThing
< 1319081495 971453 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. t -> Doc
< 1319081502 534109 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty obvious
< 1319081559 23941 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src brokenThing
< 1319081559 360205 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. The more you drive -- the dumber you get.
< 1319081608 478630 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t text
< 1319081609 264079 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :String -> Doc
< 1319081627 302037 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "Hello arbitrary statements from lambdabot"
< 1319081628 86840 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Hello arbitrary statements from lambdabot
< 1319081635 982581 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Doc
< 1319081636 280589 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. That's something I cannot allow to happen.
< 1319081663 292838 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just a wrapper around a String that lambdabot directly displays, or what?
< 1319081712 103943 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Doc
< 1319081712 436917 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.PrettyPrint.HughesPJ data Doc
< 1319081712 615023 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language.Haskell.TH.PprLib type Doc = PprM Doc
< 1319081712 761662 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Directory getUserDocumentsDirectory :: IO FilePath
< 1319081730 652100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doc can do a lot more, i think
< 1319081759 478725 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doc is a pretty-printing library
< 1319081779 287215 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/libraries/pretty-1.1.0.0/Text-PrettyPrint-HughesPJ.html
< 1319081988 692307 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319082059 842875 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> zeroWidthText "Bluh?"
< 1319082060 587658 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Bluh?
< 1319082121 828862 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1319082159 981072 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> doubleQuotes $ text "And It Don't Stop"
< 1319082160 731343 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "And It Don't Stop"
< 1319082351 546201 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "1\n2"
< 1319082352 426874 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1
< 1319082352 581745 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2
< 1319082364 600816 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1319082382 717549 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text $ fix ("Hello\n" ++)
< 1319082397 954470 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  thread killed
< 1319082439 882111 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text $ concat $ take 2 $ repeat "Hello\n"
< 1319082440 682720 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Hello
< 1319082440 904184 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hello
< 1319082446 790558 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text $ concat $ take 5 $ repeat "Hello\n"
< 1319082447 554136 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Hello
< 1319082447 702681 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hello
< 1319082447 849279 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hello
< 1319082447 849451 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hello
< 1319082447 849562 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hello
< 1319082455 858774 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text $ concat  $ repeat "Hello\n"
< 1319082463 526108 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  *Exception: mueval-core: signal: 15
< 1319082472 49142 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text $ concat $ take 20 $ repeat "Hello\n"
< 1319082476 137931 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1319082486 304376 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text $ concat $ take 12 $ repeat "Hello\n"
< 1319082487 306280 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Hello
< 1319082487 469801 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hello
< 1319082487 616246 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hello
< 1319082487 616322 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hello
< 1319082487 616366 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hello
< 1319082489 295312 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[6 @more lines]
< 1319082494 728671 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boo
< 1319082785 316190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var $ cycle "Hello\n"
< 1319082786 323470 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Hello
< 1319082786 494104 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hello
< 1319082786 640726 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hello
< 1319082786 640895 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hello
< 1319082786 641003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hello
< 1319082788 312981 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[6 @more lines]
< 1319082803 624914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more
< 1319082803 858871 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hello
< 1319082804 50828 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hello
< 1319082804 197462 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hello
< 1319082804 197643 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hello
< 1319082804 197751 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hello
< 1319082805 901055 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hello...
< 1319082972 629587 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t var
< 1319082974 972239 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. String -> Sym a
< 1319082983 636232 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@url var
< 1319082983 873486 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about var.
< 1319082994 362205 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I get from a @hoogle result to a link?
< 1319083042 881111 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a link to what
< 1319083073 129297 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The library page where the result was found
< 1319083080 359465 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*documentation for
< 1319083117 407782 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOGLE
< 1319083189 554675 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (a -> b) -> [a] -> [b]
< 1319083190 17507 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude map :: (a -> b) -> [a] -> [b]
< 1319083190 164071 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List map :: (a -> b) -> [a] -> [b]
< 1319083190 310696 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Parallel.Strategies parMap :: Strategy b -> (a -> b) -> [a] -> [b]
< 1319083194 601712 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1319083195 153480 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google Prelude map
< 1319083196 999839 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/libraries/base/Prelude.html
< 1319083197 185098 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Prelude
< 1319083197 884846 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did not mean to caps google
< 1319083258 668648 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference between Hoogle and Hayoo? I don't think Hayoo does types, does it? But does it search all of Hackage or something?
< 1319083276 357589 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hayoo does less advanced things with types.
< 1319083294 886591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : How do I get from a @hoogle result to a link? <-- use the hoogle website
< 1319083404 381806 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319083490 578276 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319083520 798588 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what happens when you stop having qualia, help?
< 1319083535 463659 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1319083535 610272 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1319083535 610358 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.188 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1319083535 757297 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1319083832 468369 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hayoo (a -> b) -> a -> b
< 1319083832 717321 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1319083836 109368 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (a -> b) -> a -> b
< 1319083836 618691 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude ($) :: (a -> b) -> a -> b
< 1319083836 765474 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude ($!) :: (a -> b) -> a -> b
< 1319083836 765649 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Function ($) :: (a -> b) -> a -> b
< 1319083841 262945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :qualms about qualia
< 1319083845 579472 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: help
< 1319083849 32361 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle [a -> b] -> a -> [b]
< 1319083849 198416 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i even typing into irc
< 1319083849 415602 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Applicative (<*>) :: Applicative f => f (a -> b) -> f a -> f b
< 1319083849 583029 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad ap :: Monad m => m (a -> b) -> m a -> m b
< 1319083849 732092 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Applicative (<**>) :: Applicative f => f a -> f (a -> b) -> f b
< 1319083851 502937 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not know
< 1319083856 977361 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure i am even typing
< 1319083863 601894 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (a -> b) -> [a] -> b
< 1319083863 997832 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude map :: (a -> b) -> [a] -> [b]
< 1319083864 181195 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List map :: (a -> b) -> [a] -> [b]
< 1319083864 327884 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude ($) :: (a -> b) -> a -> b
< 1319083882 661940 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn ((a -> b) -> [a] -> b) -> [a -> b] -> a -> [b]
< 1319083883 340769 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Undefined type []
< 1319083951 987404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: sequence in the (->) monad.  also the strange thing lambdabot does for flip.
< 1319083961 779377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> flip [sin, cos] 1
< 1319083965 573367 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1319083967 867904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> flip [sin, cos] 1
< 1319083970 369977 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [0.8414709848078965,0.5403023058681398]
< 1319084028 917206 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (\f vf v -> f ($v) vf)
< 1319084029 756020 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t a b t1. (((a -> b) -> b) -> t -> t1) -> t -> a -> t1
< 1319084051 342195 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\f vf v -> f ($v) vf)
< 1319084051 642082 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip . (. flip id)
< 1319084112 444764 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn (((a -> b) -> b) -> t -> t1) -> t -> a -> t1
< 1319084112 716977 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a b c = a (\ d -> d c) b
< 1319084123 583183 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn ((a -> b) -> b) -> t -> t1
< 1319084123 876939 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- f cannot be realized.
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< 1319086498 326931 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A habitual esolanger's (likely) advantage in Haskell: pointless stuff comes naturally.
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< 1319087165 263673 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-200-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: More importantly, something being odd is *not* considered an insurmountable barrier.
< 1319087240 449754 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I considered a habitual esolanger?
< 1319087250 949672 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just an inhabitant of esolang...er
< 1319087254 567964 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangland
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< 1319093341 103503 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t map
< 1319093341 859519 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (a -> b) -> [a] -> [b]
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< 1319097001 653129 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1319097005 491413 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so
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< 1319105599 259102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, Compiz has stopped working for no apparent reason
< 1319105609 432343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't find the graphics card; not even rebooting helps
< 1319105625 110637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try another program that uses the graphics card
< 1319105680 500164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :X Error of failed request:  BadLength (poly request too large or internal Xlib length error)
< 1319105689 566884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what's up with my graphics card?
< 1319105755 879264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: any ideas?
< 1319105778 648124 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1319105819 425305 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Does plain 2D graphics work?
< 1319105833 810428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes; Metacity works
< 1319105842 776619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doing anything that should involve a 3D graphics card fails
< 1319105855 328548 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :any recent upgrade?
< 1319105865 627423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing but security updates
< 1319105865 774208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like to kernel or X11 or whatever
< 1319105872 847713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can check if any affected packages likely to be involved
< 1319105880 109074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a good idea
< 1319105924 454384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xserver-common (2:1.7.6-2ubuntu7.6) to 2:1.7.6-2ubuntu7.8
< 1319105934 240891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks very much like it might be at fault
< 1319105961 977515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me install the older version
< 1319105965 763524 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also if nothing else works you might want to try powering off and unplugging (plus removing battery if a laptop) then wait for half a minute or such. And then power it on again. Helped me with some weird GPU issues once.
< 1319105992 453433 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, good thing I didn't upgrade that on my laptop yet then
< 1319106054 721438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, aptitude tried to interpret my request as uninstalling libvpx0 and upgrading X to the latest version, as it couldn't find the specific old version I mentioned
< 1319106060 63427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I didn't let it
< 1319106064 720410 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1319106110 635527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried apt-get instead, and it errored out on the specific version mentioned
< 1319106116 508373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a more sensible interpretation, I think
< 1319106126 529708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, hmm, I'm stuck without the ability to undo the upgrade that broke things
< 1319106177 62721 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, check for bug reports? Or downgrade to an even older version
< 1319106245 67768 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, actually there seems to be an upgrade already
< 1319106254 575426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, 2:1.7.6-2ubuntu7.9 might be it
< 1319106259 437357 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is on lucid
< 1319106270 732907 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :changelog says it reverted a security fix for now
< 1319106291 57419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The following packages will be REMOVED:  libvpx0{u} The following packages will be upgraded:  gnome-utils libgdict-1.0-6 xserver-common xserver-xorg-core
< 1319106297 158595 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut
< 1319106300 397794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, looks like they pushed a bad fix and only just noticed
< 1319106322 300704 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like I have the "bad" version but I didn't notice any issues
< 1319106347 606826 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, I haven't restarted X since the upgrade
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< 1319106484 338813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, fixed, thanks
< 1319106500 989587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still loaded Metacity by default, but changing the default to Compiz actually worked this time
< 1319106530 634022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first time I've had a really noticeable break as a result of an update
< 1319107220 852960 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"chromium-browser will be upgraded from version 12.0.742.112~r90304-0ubuntu0.11.04.1 to version 14.0.835.202~r103287-0ubuntu0.11.04.1", quite a jump. (All this talk about upgrades made me go look.)
< 1319107437 277808 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone even take notice of Chromium version numbers?
< 1319107490 325801 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14 is at least two better than 12.
< 1319107846 998816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well of course, how could Chrome's version number stay ahead of Firefox's otherwise?
< 1319107903 9604 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if no one looked at chrome's version number, would it still be going up?
< 1319108139 655445 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a Chrome version number is incremented in the forest, and no-one is around to see it, does it still need an entry in the changelog?
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< 1319112408 8833 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chrome developers should write a program that checks firefox's version number and increments chromes' until it's 10%+/-rand() higher
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< 1319112818 306078 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :then firefox developers make one of their own
< 1319112823 625943 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the largest integer known to man is discovered
< 1319113526 130661 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see that thing about algorithmic book prices in Amazon? http://www.michaeleisen.org/blog/?p=358
< 1319113532 407819 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Amazon’s $23,698,655.93 book about flies"
< 1319113541 575061 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may in fact have been linked on this very channel.
< 1319113619 496937 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8837736/Man-orders-size-14.5-slipper-and-gets-size-1450-after-mistranslation-in-China.html
< 1319113656 421082 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, haha. that is cool
< 1319114212 180860 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319114219 143778 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1319114996 520264 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked today's IWC annotation
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< 1319115510 899323 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
< 1319116068 586259 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's an interesting SKI program (combination?)?
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< 1319116265 22795 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would qualify as interesting?
< 1319116278 837301 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, something short that looks good
< 1319116285 636284 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't help, does it?
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< 1319119332 596075 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone here use etherpad? I signed up for it, but the email for it hasn't arrived.
< 1319119342 937596 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a service like 'downforeveryoneorjustme.com' but for sites that send out emails when you register
< 1319119515 941736 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, see
< 1319119522 519193 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I register again with my gmail instead of my hotmail and it works instantly
< 1319119538 425704 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I typoed my email or if it didn't like it or if it was a fluke or...
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< 1319128843 539994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319128843 998419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319128844 313536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319128844 627325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319128845 18673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319128858 796057 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :609)  OK, making myself emergency doctor on the advice of IRC.
< 1319128870 713083 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :513)  its UNEBARBEL
< 1319128871 4437 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :179)  It's like mathematicians, where the next step up from "trivial" is "open research question".  "Nope... No...This problem can't be done AT ALL. This one--maybe, but only with two yaks and a sherpa. ..."
< 1319128871 151046 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :423)  so about jacuzzis, do they usually have a way to make it it not heat but freeze the water?
< 1319128871 297866 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :315)  elliott, incidentally, I started my explorations again after getting bored of the Himalayas.
< 1319128887 884995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 513
< 1319128890 339026 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1319129072 590226 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Booting from the grub-rescue prompt LIKE A BOSS.
< 1319129123 563190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319129124 344994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319129124 800850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319129125 447866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319129125 949049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319129127 297046 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :276)  !bfjoust test (-)*10000   Score for Vorpal_test: 12.9   yay
< 1319129127 443793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gregor
< 1319129129 947116 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :9)  Lil`Cube: you had cavity searches?  not yet  trying to thou, just so I can check it off on my list of things to expirence
< 1319129131 481912 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :19)  oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out! he's really a tricycle! pass him!
< 1319129140 864337 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :226)  Oh. Stuff that uses actual physical numbers stemming from science. Bleh *gets bored*
< 1319129141 402433 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :612)  elliott: mr president, commissioner, i fully accept that description when it comes to human rights. yes, with an average fat content of chocolate, and we are using double standards! we all know that under present legislation and also in relation to standardization bodies. if i do not want.
< 1319129159 168446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, 276 or 9
< 1319129187 633204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I ended up reading "A Brief, Incomplete and Mostly Wrong History of Programming Languages" again
< 1319129193 655824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and am utterly shocked at how recent Java is
< 1319129195 142549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love that
< 1319129201 670832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, err, really?
< 1319129202 293194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do I
< 1319129208 53741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1996?
< 1319129212 277539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one year prior, actually
< 1319129213 864257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed it was older than I am
< 1319129231 767375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, it's very much a 90s internet boom thing
< 1319129236 507854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I assumed it predated most currently-popular scripting languages, too
< 1319129238 34703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: remember that it originated to program set top boxes
< 1319129248 496160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, Java?
< 1319129249 933102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1319129250 970313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously?
< 1319129257 993091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it's so ~safe~
< 1319129258 859100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for reliability
< 1319129259 655408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I'm in a mood where I vaguely expect to be trolled atm
< 1319129260 463839 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1319129266 318953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then they realised nobody wanted to do that, and this Web thing is totally catching on
< 1319129272 719618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they decided to retarget it
< 1319129274 991577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I was kidding
< 1319129290 551166 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319129290 551325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointless trivia: it was called Oak while it was for set-top boxes
< 1319129299 366565 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I'm here!
< 1319129300 684797 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1319129302 399121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I do find it kinda crazy that Python is older than Java, though
< 1319129321 866120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, are virtual machines (in the JVM sense) similar in age to Java, or much older?
< 1319129327 610230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in fact, Ruby might even be older
< 1319129331 39104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, much older
< 1319129342 579158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of an example but there were definitely VMs in the eighties
< 1319129347 828768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Smalltalk, f.e.
< 1319129354 142511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so at least seventies
< 1319129359 302249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, Smalltalk's VM-based?
< 1319129367 466506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1319129487 750624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish Ilari was still around
< 1319129490 89827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to know what's up with IP
< 1319129507 725704 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instruction Pointer?
< 1319129511 76782 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet Protocol?
< 1319129516 287287 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indian Police?
< 1319129531 563656 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Independent Party
< 1319129534 510535 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dinnertime
< 1319129535 572330 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1319129628 911498 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.wolfram.com/2010/12/17/the-mathematica-one-liner-competition/
< 1319129632 752198 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This looks like a golfing challenge.
< 1319129693 171158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey ais523, Mathematica
< 1319129705 764370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :man that Tubular Bells is about fifty times worse than the one-liner chiptunes :P
< 1319129737 205389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they do that competition every so often
< 1319129749 270499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "While this expression is a disaster practically, it has a certain conceptual appeal that made up for it hanging the judges’ machines." --Wolfram
< 1319129751 748180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all it really does is show off what the standard library is good at doing
< 1319129754 355502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(company, not person)
< 1319129764 969137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's my one-liner explanation of Mathematica.
< 1319129785 861623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.wolfram.com/data/uploads/2010/12/OneLiner9.png for very large values of 137
< 1319129882 532177 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How hard would it be to reimplement Mathematica's functionality as a Haskell library?
< 1319129902 327400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very
< 1319129911 848557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematica is a few gigabytes of library
< 1319129933 884859 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would the end result be better? =p
< 1319129950 627981 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ehh.... Does Mathematica lazy evaluate?
< 1319129971 279277 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it does, that dishonorable mention should actually some stuff, right?
< 1319130184 135368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's strict, AFAIK
< 1319130226 42509 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually output*
< 1319130258 239337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematica uses term rewriting, so it's hard to replicate its interface in something like Haskell
< 1319130276 234953 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319130303 42604 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some things would also be a pain
< 1319130319 523040 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is horrible at things like type-safe sized data structures
< 1319130333 176836 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. matrices typed by size)
< 1319130337 449438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Mathematica doesn't have those
< 1319130341 717644 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1319130342 157809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't know what you're going on about
< 1319130344 11338 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it should
< 1319130346 602733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't
< 1319130349 983215 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should
< 1319130358 331798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see Axiom
< 1319130381 303506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, haskell isn't terrible at those, they're just a pain to write
< 1319130385 153956 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should just use coq
< 1319130397 974773 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I consider a pain to write isomorphic to terrible
< 1319130412 590840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: so anything hard to implement is terrible to use?
< 1319130441 3212 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but such a matrix system would also be horrible to use
< 1319130466 531471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug; not if you were fine with predefined operations
< 1319130474 419915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :manual loops would be a bit of a pain
< 1319130531 499066 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matrix (S (S (S (S Z)))) (S (S (S (S (S (S (S Z)))))))
< 1319130552 953123 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems terrible
< 1319130568 490754 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, bus time
< 1319130760 731865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Matrix (S (S (S (S Z)))) (S (S (S (S (S (S (S Z)))))))
< 1319130785 453811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Matrix N4 N7
< 1319130788 724193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg so terrible
< 1319130927 511117 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1319131050 486604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1319131067 75448 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-23.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1319131190 232570 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I wanted to see if I was still connected
< 1319131204 306347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that won't help
< 1319131206 627796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :messages are echoed locally
< 1319131209 554251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try /topic
< 1319131257 820334 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, when I get disconnected, webchat seems to stop echoing my messages.
< 1319131260 554216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use /ctcp ping ais523
< 1319131267 6546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which gets abbreviated to /ping ais523 in practice
< 1319131281 622142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to use /ping ais523 even when I'm not actually ais523; it still works, because the error message comes from the server
< 1319131289 759235 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use /whois fizzie.
< 1319131298 408120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :might as well just /ping q :P
< 1319131303 666207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, I've got in the habit of doing /topic
< 1319131334 285153 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/topic
< 1319131347 235708 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :say /topic complains about insufficient arguments
< 1319131366 214269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't
< 1319131387 631482 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On this webchat it does for some reason
< 1319131392 911602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh dear: today I was trying to explain {C-style functions|static methods} to my students
< 1319131397 990808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and used a hello world function as the example
< 1319131403 745156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would write hello world to arbitrary streams
< 1319131414 912382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FILE streams?
< 1319131431 90802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, C++ streams?
< 1319131452 190954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was Java
< 1319131454 361498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so PrintStreams
< 1319131475 18867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1319131475 665071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go on
< 1319131640 192564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's not much go on
< 1319131646 201358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realised afterwards that it was a ridiculous thing to do
< 1319131650 944626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when I wrote docs for it
< 1319131674 134206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319131711 498278 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :h but yeah, I've got in the habit of doing /topic <-- same as me then
< 1319131715 484605 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/^h//
< 1319131768 226404 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I just realised afterwards that it was a ridiculous thing to do <-- I seen worse examples from teachers than that.
< 1319131809 368564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I improvise
< 1319131816 238200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my examples are bound to be silly sometimes
< 1319131856 346040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not too bad then. I seen sillier planned examples and assignments.
< 1319131861 264405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :have seen*
< 1319131906 252177 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it on the exam for the database stuff now again... Oh yeah, superman bug swatting database. No it didn't make any sense.
< 1319131934 501029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sorry but that sounds like the best?
< 1319131967 61012 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, best or worst or whatever. You can't deny it was silly :P
< 1319131987 588570 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote some actually difficult for me to write Haskell code
< 1319131992 512631 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks horribleugly
< 1319131996 528280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: was it hello world
< 1319132001 348111 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1319132013 377383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure
< 1319132015 166358 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, don't show it to elliott. He will just poke fun at you.
< 1319132026 146111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called constructive criticism
< 1319132031 560150 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better fun than holes.
< 1319132038 923164 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, FSVO constructive
< 1319132074 841490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: should i deliberately withhold all the ways in which a given piece of code is broken and thus hold back its author????
< 1319132109 777451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you think that code is broken badly enough that you can produce a reasonably long list of ways in which it is broken
< 1319132110 631533 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I didn't say that.
< 1319132115 767140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are probably more ways that it's broken that you didn't catch
< 1319132133 264391 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I'm less tired, I might ask in #haskell
< 1319132145 580706 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what I was complaining about was the way you *present* said criticism.
< 1319132160 287899 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not broken (except for requiring users to supply a type signature), as such. It works. It's just a godawful horror
< 1319132169 584946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(except for requiring users to supply a type signature)"
< 1319132175 214737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: I've found the problem already
< 1319132183 738700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're trying to do something stupid with the type system; stop it
< 1319132203 168660 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you do weird things to the type system quite often
< 1319132215 25472 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be using the type system incorrectly, but I'm abusing monads, not the type system
< 1319132225 997883 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :abusing monads?
< 1319132231 818564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, because I'm a rather good Haskell programmer
< 1319132239 383742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and it is always strictly for fun
< 1319132240 874206 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: o rly
< 1319132242 111315 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Specifically, I'm doing convoluted stuff with a State monad when I feel I should probably be using a State and Writer monad stack)
< 1319132246 327504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: compared to Sgeo|web
< 1319132249 235852 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well yeah
< 1319132263 267300 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should combine lenses with your state
< 1319132269 494121 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes state twice as awesome
< 1319132270 368491 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And probably also separating long lines into parts or something
< 1319132336 318646 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, if my state was a tuple and I wanted to update the first one, lenses would make that convenient?
< 1319132360 967516 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, when I write it like that, I think I could have just done (firstpart, secondpart) <- get
< 1319132370 466568 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not fiddle with fst and snd
< 1319132388 118526 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYWEHRE IN THE CODE
< 1319132392 728352 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :data-lens even has special stuff for dealing with monadstate iirc
< 1319132407 429441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: (<$>) :: (a -> b) -> (c,a) -> (c,b)
< 1319132434 54733 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also lenses for tuples
< 1319132440 201046 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :couples specifically
< 1319132446 897459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :couples
< 1319132453 718999 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2-topules
< 1319132467 519432 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course there's a library for making what I did easier that I had no clue about, why wouldn't there be?
< 1319132486 706765 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will always be the case for any value of "what I did"
< 1319132494 534859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lenses are overkill for a tuple
< 1319132515 90289 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/1aazxbtt5gohfmmp4uudfa
< 1319132529 554390 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the comments are obsolete
< 1319132537 618090 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrow is good for tuple manipulation, bad for other things
< 1319132610 274406 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319132619 946910 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/sqqcpinl5hke0fuawknpka example usage
< 1319132669 101729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your commenting style sucks, put them above the relevant lines
< 1319132682 415252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: evalState/execState means you run the computation twice
< 1319132686 171629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t runState
< 1319132687 125675 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall s a. State s a -> s -> (a, s)
< 1319133424 478041 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319133587 247090 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-154-148.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1319134576 553276 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-228-27.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319134601 520000 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew about runState just thought that evalState and execState would be more convenient to use in my case
< 1319134639 595814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: More convenient vs. computing everything twice.
< 1319134647 703303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's not inconvenient, just deconstruct it in a where clause.
< 1319134669 306290 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to start using where clauses more
< 1319134720 625272 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, having discovered the wonder of the clause, changed his grammar techniques
< 1319136178 557592 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-63-203.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319136178 996581 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-63-203.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1319136179 143271 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1319137166 881194 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-241-18.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319137173 743842 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out, I can't make an IRC bot
< 1319137180 659400 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-221-210.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1319137196 490958 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the spambots have started with gambling sites
< 1319137207 376323 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Help Ngevd make an IRC bot, you're the expert.
< 1319137207 523020 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so, let's say i call them mindless games. if we hit every stupid person, any person going, tough one. if we solve it,... it's what that guy in medina, a village near the mystic mountain" 65,000,000 b. c.? yes, i'd have done something very brave! he's probably up north, to guardia!!! let's toast? or decide. fnord 22:11, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 22, ...too much output!
< 1319137212 633087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: they started that a bit earlier
< 1319137214 894357 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Almost typed "you're the export".)
< 1319137246 6496 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reckon, if I knew anything about the IRC protocol, I could probably make Pietbot
< 1319137259 982648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the IRC protocol is really pretty simple
< 1319137274 927021 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll learn it at the weekend
< 1319137281 504979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you start off by writing USER username anything anything :realname
< 1319137291 52505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then PASS password (if you need a password to log on)
< 1319137292 691909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then NICK nickname
< 1319137295 556785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's enough to connect
< 1319137302 114401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the username's the bit before the @ in your whois info)
< 1319137310 272242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you join channels with JOIN #esoteric
< 1319137319 704779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and send messages with PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a message
< 1319137321 593356 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Can you join any channel with "JOIN #esoteric"?
< 1319137326 471630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the colon means "quote to end of line")
< 1319137332 512752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: depends on the server, I guess
< 1319137344 323776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can join #esoteric, at least
< 1319137346 708497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : you start off by writing USER username anything anything :realname
< 1319137347 373115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that counts as "any channel"
< 1319137348 977445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no you don't
< 1319137355 978201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: really?
< 1319137363 858300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NICK comes last, USER and PASS can be either way round
< 1319137371 199689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: USER     (RFC 2812)
< 1319137375 718549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the second and third args are habitually ignored
< 1319137378 244224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody's used the 1459 USER since, um, ever
< 1319137393 559889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's /meant/ to go in the  field?
< 1319137399 920631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried all sorts of random stuff htere
< 1319137401 410295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*there
< 1319137403 463400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: mode bitmask
< 1319137405 853885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as decimal
< 1319137406 668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Freenode never seems to care
< 1319137411 194459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 is the usual thing, I think
< 1319137413 440614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I don't think I tried a number
< 1319137415 208828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it'll just use a default if you pass something invalid
< 1319137447 3156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "localhost", that one's always fun
< 1319137464 312691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like using localhost in a HELO in SMTP (which actually works, and is often the best option)
< 1319137466 944607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hello, I'm me"
< 1319137505 47636 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott I seem to remember you saying something to the effect of tzdata being overcomplicated for the job?
< 1319137521 88659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't think TZ variables are a pain to set; DST rarely changes
< 1319137529 919926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's certainly convenient, but I don't think it's that important
< 1319137541 523911 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well just looked at changelog of tzdata: "Palestine suspends DST during Ramadan in 2011"
< 1319137543 960963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what if you live in a country where it changes every few years?
< 1319137552 160105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and probably it should just be a filesystem hierarchy of TZ variable settings, rather than a complicated binary format
< 1319137562 120002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then your life is already hell :)
< 1319137562 616757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the UK's worse, it changes every six months or so here
< 1319137571 967463 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "West Bank changes date for DST end in 2011 to Sep 30th"
< 1319137577 665747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: and probably it should just be a filesystem hierarchy of TZ variable settings, rather than a complicated binary format
< 1319137581 788770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say tzdata was useless in concept
< 1319137587 145662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just think that it's overkill as it is
< 1319137590 972341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most things are
< 1319137596 208287 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it changes according to a sensible pattern iirc?
< 1319137606 11604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least predictable pattern
< 1319137608 89235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: using Metacity a bit earlier reminded me of how much I prefer Compiz
< 1319137611 447329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, I was making a joke
< 1319137616 733208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh okay
< 1319137627 411626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a very good one, but I still expected most people to catch it
< 1319137628 417736 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway Israel used to have DST different for every year
< 1319137653 337327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DST is hell on earth, anyway
< 1319137661 201070 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1319137687 286842 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I just use Swatch Internet Time all the time.
< 1319137701 37045 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1319137702 714230 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Biel Mean Time for the win, and so on.
< 1319137733 957124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit, they removed the Eq/Show superclasses of Num???
< 1319137741 683411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it called Biel btw?
< 1319137745 153875 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Swatch Internet Time is based on the UTC+1 observed at Swatch's headquarters in Switzerland.)
< 1319137747 328049 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what? where?
< 1319137753 292104 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Biel, Switzerland, to be more precise.
< 1319137757 625480 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and when?
< 1319137757 772284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well going by http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/changeset/b59fe25a24c4b913a9935c71b1b42a060ab53dcc/utils and http://haskell.1045720.n5.nabble.com/Proposal-Remove-Show-and-Eq-superclasses-of-Num-td4808712.html
< 1319137826 880762 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1319137845 591361 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of the 1000-".beat" split of the @-time, I sort-of like the hexclock way of having a midnight of 0000, a noon of 8000, and one hex-second (about 1.32 regular seconds) before midnight as ffff.
< 1319137896 785279 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm not sure how sensible removing Eq is? When would you want a Num without Eq?
< 1319137909 831530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: computable reals
< 1319137911 71328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(->)
< 1319137913 435812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc.
< 1319137919 351912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(->) is numeric?
< 1319137919 750959 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1319137924 843198 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (->)
< 1319137925 819787 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `->'
< 1319137926 748721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, reader monad interpretation
< 1319137931 488436 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not as sure I like the Hexclock way of splitting it as A_BC_D and to call the middle bit minutes.)
< 1319137935 663913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (f `op` g) x = f x `op` g x, etc.
< 1319137940 319093 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1319137954 319196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "Furthermore, the essentially pointless and often confusing A.M. and P.M. suffixes have been eliminated. Anyone who has accidentally set his or her alarm clock for seven P.M. instead of seven A.M. can appreciate this."
< 1319137955 823698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't see offhand how that makes it numeric
< 1319137977 108582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, it's Num b => Num (a -> b)
< 1319137982 435422 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, don't all alarm clocks use 24h anyway?
< 1319137984 347556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I like decimal time
< 1319137985 17047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fromInteger = const . fromInteger, etc.
< 1319137999 321439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and normally split it as 3 millidays with 2 centimillidays (we need a better prefix for that)
< 1319138014 734610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it differs from swatch internet time in that it follows timezones rather than being fixed at UTC+1
< 1319138023 195550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :decimal sux
< 1319138032 616527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but it produces really nicely-sized time units
< 1319138035 848563 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why UTC+1 for swatch btw? Why not UTC
< 1319138045 107242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why ask me?
< 1319138046 830888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not only do you have no context
< 1319138047 3148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't invent it
< 1319138048 443964 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-241-18.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Hmm. What's 2 centimillidays in days, anyways?
< 1319138048 648605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have no memory?
< 1319138051 629014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Swatch Internet Time is based on the UTC+1 observed at Swatch's headquarters in Switzerland.)
< 1319138053 109228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Biel, Switzerland, to be more precise.
< 1319138061 535488 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I missed that line
< 1319138073 527018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: one of them is a little smaller than a second
< 1319138078 459185 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never read it, thus it is unrelated to my memory
< 1319138079 290596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: IT'S COMMITTED, IN 7.4 THEY WON'T BE
< 1319138080 306238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YESSSSSSSSSSSS
< 1319138086 24294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an 86400/100000th of a second, to be precise
< 1319138091 964260 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-241-18.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, I'm wondering if I can come up with a better prefix is why I ask.
< 1319138097 906403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 86400/100000
< 1319138098 581832 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  0.864
< 1319138102 347529 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-241-18.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 centimillidays = x days. Solve for x por favor.
< 1319138106 989690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I could have guessed that…
< 1319138129 385903 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-241-18.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION seriously has no idea how concatenating metric prefixes should work.

< 1319138131 90354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: oh, that's not what I meant
< 1319138138 824567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean 3 digits go to millidays, and another 2 to centimillidays
< 1319138150 768182 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-241-18.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but what the eff is a centimilliday?
< 1319138151 595517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"milliday" is a nice enough name, anyway
< 1319138158 15728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure what to call the subdivision
< 1319138165 573994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: like dollars and cents, except millidays and centimillidays
< 1319138173 234395 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-241-18.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0001 days, then?
< 1319138181 277474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.00001
< 1319138190 905978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a hundredth of a thousandth
< 1319138214 764087 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, hextime has "naturally" three levels of units; 1.32s, 5m37.5s and 1h30m.
< 1319138226 959439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :5m37.5s. So natural.
< 1319138229 116801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1319138235 539843 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-241-18.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, 10^-5.
< 1319138244 447912 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-241-18.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The prefix shall hereby be kotsu-.
< 1319138246 387947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :decimal time has centidays which are around 15 minutes, which is a great division
< 1319138259 446334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and kotsudays which are a bit less than a second
< 1319138268 721012 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why is that a great division?
< 1319138282 456575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 15-minute chunks are the chunks human schedules nearly always operate on
< 1319138293 385413 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-241-18.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(etymology: 10^-5 unit prefix for traditional Japanese units)
< 1319138309 317778 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, only because our system is currently based on seconds and minutes
< 1319138323 545306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that, and the fact that it's a conveniently-sized unit
< 1319138333 445663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't we use, say, 10-minute chunks? or 12-minute chunks?
< 1319138336 766523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 20-minute chunks?
< 1319138375 926862 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well yes, but I suspect that anything between say 13 minutes and 20 minutes would be acceptable as a standard schedule unit, had those fit better with our time units.
< 1319138393 599527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : there are other great divisions, ergo that one isn't
< 1319138407 522724 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Sorry, 4 levels of units, of course: 1.32s, 21.09s, 5m37.5s and 1h30m. Anyway, the 1.32s hexsec is a reasonable "short time", and the 1h30m hexhour is a reasonable "longer time"; it's just the 21.09s hexminute that's a bit silly-short.
< 1319138407 669589 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, strawman
< 1319138420 953571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, a centiday isn't exactly 15 minutes
< 1319138423 458976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's slightly less
< 1319138426 18906 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-241-18.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man. Metrication in Japan must have been really easy. Their traditional units are metric.
< 1319138427 188376 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what I was saying: why should we stick to the current division if we design a new unit system anyway
< 1319138428 123203 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only slightly
< 1319138444 435722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You didn't actually say that.
< 1319138453 140359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nor did I say what you claimed
< 1319138456 537737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yawn.
< 1319138470 326585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, fifteen minutes are a good unit, so if it falls naturally out of a system, that is a point in favour of that system.
< 1319138471 888236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simple as that.
< 1319138515 6430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, but anything near that sort of size is just as good. What I'm claiming here is that 15 minutes isn't the optimum. In fact I think slightly longer would be better.
< 1319138582 975533 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: does it defurbulate VCL's crudgenickle sklep?
< 1319138583 398722 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner:, so i'd have to consider that although the reduction in actual transportation section from former friend lives, their door had my computer with full u+ support" then they both bowed low. just keep the safe or tub and emptied it
< 1319138596 98498 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you get a reasonable approximation of current units by doing a:bb:cc where a = 0..f, bb = 00..3f, cc = 00..3f, which gives 0:00:01 as 1.32s (a second-analogue), 0:01:00 as 84.374s (a minute-analogue) and 1:00:00 as 1h30m (an hour-analogue), but that's no longer as clean as just the four hexdigits.
< 1319138686 88402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: And you can truncate-round it using big endian fixed-point, right?
< 1319138793 440947 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you get the time in coarser units (truncated) by just reading a shorter number if you are big-endian.
< 1319138844 355791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Another victory of big-endian.
< 1319138914 950072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with little-endian, you just read from the other end
< 1319138928 425741 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, but you need an address adjustment.
< 1319138962 699929 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (There was a discussion (if you can call it that) on this other channel on the little-endian property of being able to convert to narrower integers without adjusting the address.)
< 1319138970 377106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand you need no address adjustment in little endian if you just want the seconds, or the seconds and the minutes
< 1319138972 319720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I know, I was in it
< 1319138983 280640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I even believe I pointed out that it was the main advantage of little-endian
< 1319138985 382312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It was -minecraft.
< 1319138991 4632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though we've talked about it previously here.
< 1319138994 455868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1319138997 182601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's also the reason gcc-bf is little-endian, incidnetally)
< 1319138997 493213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, "this other channel".
< 1319139036 644677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is -minecraft still in use?
< 1319139046 544970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :O'course.
< 1319139074 529153 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-21-30.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319139093 789034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can you believe I'm still working on them n-grams?
< 1319139985 930452 :CakeProphet!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319139986 77619 :CakeProphet!~eris@h44.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host
< 1319139986 77767 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319140076 133582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's the Pake Crophet.
< 1319140160 815917 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-241-18.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1319140176 734482 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-102.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319140573 926617 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the poke craphet
< 1319140599 552772 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Peko Crephat
< 1319140738 748909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im peko crephat
< 1319140845 403399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t repeat
< 1319140846 317740 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. a -> [a]
< 1319140902 223247 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1319141054 745253 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is cycle equivalent to (concat . repeat)?
< 1319141072 125707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1319141499 677177 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, cool
< 1319141518 562178 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :poke crêpe hat
< 1319141583 41403 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*peko
< 1319141607 528130 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's rapidly approaching Gregor
< 1319141918 457550 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1319142008 342186 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319142117 488096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319142408 257435 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cake "Ark-Tech-Pope" Prophet.
< 1319142550 567127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1319142658 125829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott
< 1319142676 497385 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tswett
< 1319142686 789155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wishes there was some standard (Map a Int, Int) structure

< 1319142689 737355 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Ngevd
< 1319142699 191458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with "index :: a -> (Map a Int, Int) -> (Int, (Map a Int, Int)"
< 1319142706 558731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which inserts with highest value if it's not present
< 1319142713 617771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and presumably has some more compact in-memory representation...
< 1319142739 960785 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so the Int on the end is the highest value already present?
< 1319142754 949292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, or the next value to assign, it doesn't matter much -- presumably the structure would be abstract
< 1319142943 903531 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight
< 1319142946 942500 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1319142977 670016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1319142998 891928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1319143011 516686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's that hi at?
< 1319143021 879888 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you DIY, are you going to call it Trogdor the Internator?
< 1319143040 782635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been here all along, but felt like spouting a meme somewhere
< 1319143042 16142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: If I DIY as opposed to what?
< 1319143047 655432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I say hi a lot
< 1319143053 255978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then realised that there was one whose only purpose was to be mentioned randomly
< 1319143056 297366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I used it
< 1319143063 480549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log just oing
< 1319143069 61736 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008-03-20.txt:15:37:24:  ais523: just oing
< 1319143070 346492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Anyway, I suppose I could call it that. The programs right now are degrade, intern, and gentry.
< 1319143080 7018 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: As opposed to finding one, which, I admit, sounds kinda unlikely.
< 1319143086 11170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm not sure what date I would have guessed for that
< 1319143095 454811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, it's already mostly-written.
< 1319143116 589829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you know of a FUSE filesystem that presents a directory full of compressed files (e.g. .gz) as if they were uncompressed? :p
< 1319143123 722884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`logurl 2008-03-20.txt:15:37:24:
< 1319143126 154094 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2008-03-20
< 1319143147 494651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oa hela natten
< 1319143152 613956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ubuntu has "archive mounter", but that's not quite the same thing
< 1319143191 831052 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you should code it
< 1319143195 147948 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Symbol has intern :: String -> Symbol, with Symbol !Int String, but it only has a single map, I suppose. (Just a quick googling.)
< 1319143220 606113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yees, but in this case it isn't the typical intern-table things; I mean, I'd probably use Kmett's package if I wanted that.
< 1319143233 497590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm not trying to store symbols or the like efficiently, I need a first-class intern table.
< 1319143268 973599 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There's all kinds of transparent-compression fuse things, but not sure about that. fuze-lzofs sounds like it'd do it, but that seems to be a dead project with the web-page gone.
< 1319143278 603667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1319143301 464171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's just that, since intern has to process every file in one run, I'm going to have to build in the decompress/recompress stage into it.)
< 1319143305 199907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which just seems _gross_.)
< 1319143307 808826 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's fuse-archivemount, but that's probably like Ubuntu's archive mounter, to mount a single archive somewhere.
< 1319143316 139835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it could do it in multiple runs by saving the intern table and reloading it, but that sounds pointlessly slow for no reason.
< 1319143321 451149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: strangely, that log is the same day I first IRCed over telnet
< 1319143327 662414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha
< 1319143354 238680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [CTCP] Received CTCP-PING reply from ais523: -76 seconds.
< 1319143412 95512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :related, also the day I invented CTCP SWAPNICK
< 1319143418 945923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has never yet been implemented, which makes me sad
< 1319143431 738162 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does CTCP SWAPNICK do?
< 1319143439 502647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
PING

< 1319143445 599115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
VERSION

< 1319143450 721242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Zetro- VERSION ((\w+) (v?(\d+(?:[a-z]|(?:\.\d+[a-z]?)*(?:[_-](?:\d+[a-z]?|[a-z]?\d*))?)))(?: (.*))?)
< 1319143452 100723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um.
< 1319143459 410246 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
VERSION

< 1319143463 316780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: it causes each client to send each other the messages it wants to post, and post as each other, from then on
< 1319143463 836105 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I guess you could use any transparent-compressed file system by "uncompressing" the files into it beforehand, but that'd tie the data into the particular implementation what it uses.
< 1319143481 752440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of daemon would be needed to handle quits correctly
< 1319143485 946909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you swapped back just before quitting
< 1319143520 953038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeaah. I think I'd prefer to just add some unzip/zip runs into intern.hs.
< 1319143521 151480 :Zetro!~Zetro@zetro.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Like my version? :)
< 1319143522 715337 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you implement that on the ircd?
< 1319143523 146593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in CLC-INTERCAL, it's possible to steal a filehandle from another program, which means that the INTERCAL impl has to keep running after it quits; as a corollary, a program that opens any file at all is making it visible to the entire world forever)
< 1319143532 86784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zetro: It's... some version.
< 1319143534 220591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: I suppose so, but it was meant to be client-level
< 1319143566 150293 :Zetro!~Zetro@zetro.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's every version!
< 1319143578 675109 :Zetro!~Zetro@zetro.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost
< 1319143587 654550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zetro: The best version. (What client do you actually use?)
< 1319143645 237174 :Zetro!~Zetro@zetro.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm I use XChat and AndChat
< 1319143655 99740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what could be awesome: upon someone CTCP VERSIONing you, you CTCP VERSION them then echo the reply
< 1319143683 148549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so if two people use it, they agree that they're both using the client _|_? :-)
< 1319143704 119513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: eventually one of them gets bored
< 1319143710 67525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at which point the other's version doesn't really matter
< 1319143712 912640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319143714 651716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, quits or whatever
< 1319143743 226047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okofolor
< 1319143746 539705 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, a lot of people use _|_ now 
< 1319143776 422068 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. everyone whose client doesn't reply to CTCP VERSION)
< 1319143803 845404 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks to XChat and irssi having different CTCP PING payloads, I get silly-looking values in the other client when I ping from one. Stuff like "CTCP PING reply from fizziew: -1319088817776269.-17 seconds." Or "Ping reply from fizziew: 1319088736.35 second(s)."
< 1319143815 805114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319143820 597543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :.-17?
< 1319143831 893221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an intercal version number :P
< 1319143834 99667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you can tell a lot about the rounding algo from that
< 1319143851 700397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's clearly using rounds-towards-zero division in an attempt to calculate the remainder (or something similar involving the modulus function)
< 1319143895 60086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nothing! can't a guy o here anymore without being asked for a reason :O
< 1319143899 639975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that was answered
< 1319143941 480524 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :XChat uses "PING v" where d is microseconds since the epoch as a single number; irssi puts in "PING s u" where s is seconds since epoch, u number of microseconds since the last full second.
< 1319143947 757347 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/d/v/
< 1319143966 729778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they differ by one space 90% of the time?
< 1319143983 236996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what's with the Nomic World misquote in the topic?
< 1319143991 765484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm almost positive it's you, nobody else would do that)
< 1319144011 750811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: comex linked to the lindrum log on blognomic, so I had the chance to enjoy reading that message again
< 1319144023 923924 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, aha
< 1319144024 853004 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should read it at some point
< 1319144026 675265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we all are so privileged, thanks to me
< 1319144044 197775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: it's mostly a lot of people yelling at Lindrum and Goethe being all wispy about it
< 1319144079 657762 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lindrum was a successful scam, right? So why would people be ... I guess I'm used to people being at least somewhat ok with scams
< 1319144116 554972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Lindrum scam almost certainly failed
< 1319144124 424402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it ripped NomicWorld apart, so it doesn't matter much
< 1319144130 101330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, or did NomicWorld reset and continue after that
< 1319144134 887747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget; probably ais523 or oerjan knows
< 1319144162 165859 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did comex post the link?
< 1319144163 467304 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see it
< 1319144179 619990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: comex linked to the lindrum log on blognomic, so I had the chance to enjoy reading that message again
< 1319144180 885914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :blognomic
< 1319144207 333950 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where on blognomic? In a comment on a post? Because I don't see posts with links
< 1319144223 559831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blognomic.com/archive/more_discussion_about_ais523s_dov/
< 1319144279 283949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: anyway, people were annoyed at Lindrum because it was early on in the game, it granted a complete dictatorship which was going to be used to restructure the ruleset, and because people thought it was illegal but there was no formal judgement process on its legality that could be done
< 1319144319 556123 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess with dictatorships in Agora, the dictators are usually polite
< 1319144337 587821 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And don't restructure stuff
< 1319144562 471023 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;wrliiar
< 1319144585 204029 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too long; will read later if I am reminded
< 1319144988 796109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm, or did NomicWorld reset and continue after that <-- afaik the lindrum scam was before i even joined nomic world.  iirc the final death was simply due to admins no longer having time to maintain it.
< 1319144999 60242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1319145005 101259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like it just ended game one
< 1319145931 487503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can you donate me a really big disk, please
< 1319145939 844425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't, I'm afraid
< 1319145957 73306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why :(
< 1319145969 598633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have one to donate
< 1319145975 30327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'd take a while to carry it to Hexham even if I did
< 1319146225 240141 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other places in the UK than Hexham?
< 1319146238 583620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just Finland
< 1319146600 469001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Specifically, I'm doing convoluted stuff with a State monad when I feel I should probably be using a State and Writer monad stack)
< 1319146606 323730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw RWS exists
< 1319146928 93055 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh?
< 1319147039 485156 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't need Reader [yet]
< 1319147121 747427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose.
< 1319147157 332026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm wondering if using RWS might be more efficient that combining two of the parts
< 1319147162 783966 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably will end up using Reader, I think
< 1319147173 906444 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :RWS is the bomb diggity.
< 1319147185 272787 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION seal of approval.

< 1319147199 68421 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't quite understand monad transformers yet as well as I understand how to use a single monad
< 1319147214 730830 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1319147215 391809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: so now is your chance to learn, since you have a use-case.
< 1319147228 928830 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same thing,  but one is transformy.
< 1319147233 496403 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is the best teacher.

< 1319147255 903820 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I understand, say, the conceptual meaning of IO (Maybe a)
< 1319147272 143659 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea how MaybeT IO a translates to something similar to that
< 1319147278 477190 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1319147281 250934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src MaybeT
< 1319147281 448032 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. You speak an infinite deal of nothing
< 1319147291 233396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@mtl MaybeT IO a
< 1319147291 559442 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: ft map msg pl unmtl url
< 1319147295 684747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unmtl MaybeT IO a
< 1319147295 977609 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO (Maybe a)
< 1319147310 77718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're precisely the same thing, apart from a newtype
< 1319147323 292376 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: there IO is filling the type parameter that specifies what the inner monad is.
< 1319147340 864552 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked about that in #haskell , and mentioned StateT, and someone said something about some complication
< 1319147403 499656 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes more sense, or both? State (Maybe b) a or State b (Maybe a)?
< 1319147414 749556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are unrelated
< 1319147638 775531 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would using StateT give me?
< 1319147655 704949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unmtl StateT Maybe a
< 1319147655 892704 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :err: `StateT Maybe a' is not applied to enough arguments, giving `/\A. Maybe -> a (A, Maybe)'
< 1319147658 27930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1319147665 618976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unmtl StateT a Maybe b
< 1319147665 867293 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> Maybe (b, a)
< 1319147696 399216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither
< 1319147725 564225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it puts Maybe around both state and result part
< 1319147736 248902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes sense, of course
< 1319147751 703380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you want a different state for each of the (1 or 0) computations you have
< 1319147795 613173 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would there be wrong with figuring out what stack I want using @mtl ?
< 1319147818 790329 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@mlt IO([a])
< 1319147819 126840 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: ft let map msg pl
< 1319147826 786216 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@mtl IO([a])
< 1319147827 74371 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: ft map msg pl unmtl url
< 1319147843 705071 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: note that if all of your monad transformers are instances of MonadIO then IO can always be at the bottom
< 1319147843 940928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it actually existed...
< 1319147852 462341 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there is: It doesn't exist.
< 1319147881 693114 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t liftIO
< 1319147882 464261 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Ambiguous occurrence `liftIO'
< 1319147882 688997 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    It could refer to either `Control.Monad.Error.liftIO', imported from Control.Monad.Error
< 1319147882 835700 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :                          or `Control.Monad.Logic.liftIO', imported from Control.Monad.Logic
< 1319147893 318913 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Control.Monad.Trans.liftIO
< 1319147894 243137 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a (m :: * -> *). (Control.Monad.Error.MonadIO m) => IO a -> m a
< 1319147933 141193 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a good monad transformer tutorial
< 1319147938 22747 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that mitigates life hell a bit. you can also write similar instances for other monads.
< 1319147943 639863 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/life/lift/
< 1319147955 2059 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing mitigates life hell. -_;;
< 1319147979 5008 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't writing functions for use within your monad stack, and those functions use lift, the way to mitigate lift hell?
< 1319147979 151713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for state, reader and writer lift hell is mitigated by everything being in automatically lifted classes
< 1319147987 704832 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: correct
< 1319148027 848559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: no, you write functions using the MonadState, MonadReader and MonadWriter class methods (and possibly others)
< 1319148058 448419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which already has instances for transformers which do the lifting work for you
< 1319148062 367672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*have
< 1319148078 769277 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, so CakeProphet is wrong, or that's just... what?
< 1319148084 761880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet is usually wrong. :-)
< 1319148088 357797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Usually you shouldn't use monad transformers at all.
< 1319148091 160789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're only sometimes the answer.
< 1319148094 515974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When they are, it's internally.
< 1319148102 992709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet would be right if you implement your monads from scratch.
< 1319148104 134235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. you can implement your fancy monad with transformers, but probably that should not be exposed to users of it.
< 1319148148 27019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, one customarily uses a newtype wrapper and generalized newtype deriving
< 1319148182 404999 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype wrapper instead of just a type synonym?
< 1319148190 865165 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what's generalized newtype deriving?
< 1319148226 332801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype MyMonad = StateT Fnord (ContT Wibble (Reader Argle IO)) deriving (Monad, MonadState, MonadCont, MonadReader, MonadIO)
< 1319148240 569599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: argh
< 1319148242 777799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you got that wrong
< 1319148251 273479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did?
< 1319148260 987808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe add Functor and Applicative
< 1319148262 637563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: look at token after =
< 1319148267 732170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1319148288 802363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype MyMonad = MyMonad (StateT Fnord (ContT Wibble (Reader Argle IO))) deriving (Monad, MonadState, MonadCont, MonadReader, MonadIO)
< 1319148293 935170 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to use ContT, but should probably stick with promises
< 1319148313 498420 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which are in IO I think
< 1319148341 434212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :promises?
< 1319148357 331155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean MVar
< 1319148403 355585 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I saw them either under the name promises or futures
< 1319148418 760208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are bad names
< 1319148419 525258 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I saw you link to something like that on Reddit, or someone else in the same thread did
< 1319148441 739912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeInterleaveIO >:) *runs away*
< 1319148491 191496 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is tempted to use that

< 1319148503 489871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have i done D:
< 1319148543 300743 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew of unsafeInterleaveIO before, it's not your fault.
< 1319148545 860069 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319148568 237145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good.  elliott might get angry.
< 1319148603 205356 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I thought of a fun program I could write that relies on unsafeInterleaveIO
< 1319148641 381381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1319148646 677393 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, of course not "relies" as such, I could probably write it without
< 1319148659 40376 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, hmm, I can't figure out if I can or not
< 1319148679 888123 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens with a sequence on an infinite list of [IO a]?
< 1319148716 978858 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, mapping unsafeInterleaveIO to those is NOT what I want
< 1319148725 98604 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1319148966 904582 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, yes it is
< 1319149029 197670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: it never halts.
< 1319149052 958418 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you mean without the unsafeInterleaveIO, or even with?
< 1319149056 889106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, unsafeInterleaveIO won't fix it unless you apply it to something like each cons cell
< 1319149119 593578 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm... not sure why you said that, I wasn't planning on applying it to the result of sequence
< 1319149166 42381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good.  although it doesn't work to apply it to each element, either
< 1319149226 893716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldr ((?unsafeInterleaveIO .) . liftM2 (:)) (return [])
< 1319149227 646965 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a. (?unsafeInterleaveIO::m [a] -> m [a], Monad m) => [m a] -> m [a]
< 1319149244 475548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: stopppe,
< 1319149266 618080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well it's what you'd want for a lazy sequence...
< 1319149285 626659 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, why doesn't applying to each element work?
< 1319149321 851830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: because the outside IO part still iterates through each element to apply unsafeInterleaveIO to it
< 1319149344 516155 :Nisstyre!~yours@infocalypse-net.info QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1319149416 933952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even sequence . repeat $ return () won't ever halt.  i think.
< 1319149444 520938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the IO monad)
< 1319149557 388486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you look at it from the RealWorld -> (a, RealWorld) implementation used in ghc, it's clear that the RealWorld token gets threaded through each of the infinitely many subactions, and you can never get a final one
< 1319149567 234313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*approximately used
< 1319149632 311120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t runState
< 1319149633 96098 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall s a. State s a -> s -> (a, s)
< 1319149685 645507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> flip runState 0 . sequence . repeat $ do modify (+1); get
< 1319149687 291926 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ([1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,2...
< 1319149693 19355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops :P
< 1319149709 181050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> first (take 10) . flip runState 0 . sequence . repeat $ do modify (+1); get
< 1319149714 851020 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1319149714 997805 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: ExitFailure 1
< 1319149719 638184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1319149747 635609 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319149752 300375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the point with that one is that you can get results, but you can never get a final state
< 1319149768 173245 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is ^C being ineffective in GHCi
< 1319149804 681363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: if you have a non-allocating infinite loop, i think it never gets to check ^C
< 1319149827 587487 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so how do I kill GHCi
< 1319149841 562150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :killall ghci
< 1319149859 995139 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, something just happened.
< 1319149864 586107 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :murderdeathkill ghci
< 1319149876 741237 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It must have finally noticed the Ctrl C
< 1319149892 110383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: it is possible that it _eventually_ gets caught nowadays by some preemptive check that is rarely done
< 1319149912 799601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure, just a vague memory of something like that
< 1319150078 545752 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was totally not wrong/

< 1319150096 455127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: if you have a non-allocating infinite loop Ctrl+C might not work
< 1319150100 41171 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: oerjan said you would be right if you were writing stuff from scratch
< 1319150105 544922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :async exceptions only happen on allocation
< 1319150116 161959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why killThread can fail, if you have such a tight loop
< 1319150123 124518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that allocation happens constantly in almost all code)
< 1319150131 92695 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: okay, so then I was wrong if I was saying something else than what I said.
< 1319150144 9362 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know
< 1319150146 666625 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes back to work.

< 1319150160 656255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks CakeProphet was wrong even then

< 1319150164 428663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you build it from scratch
< 1319150167 851975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no monad instances to lift to
< 1319150221 611575 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpaste is taking forever to load
< 1319150248 258971 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you read what I said?
< 1319150259 469923 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I basically said "if you use IO then liftIO is a good idea"
< 1319150266 590460 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/52892
< 1319150281 135740 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought we were talking about something else
< 1319150304 49933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Isn't writing functions for use within your monad stack, and those functions use lift, the way to mitigate lift hell?
< 1319150349 765208 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka "not exposing the transformer to the user"
< 1319150352 150646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: somehow i read that as being said by you
< 1319150356 209759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sorry if you get spammed
< 1319150371 843251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prepares the quiet hammer

< 1319150372 280070 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We cut up thousands of fish and pressed their remains into squares and we will sell you that here at Burger King." -- Dinosaur Comics
< 1319150394 413174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, your email.
< 1319150399 117461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1319150405 920595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan:
< 1319150406 322141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[
< 1319150406 682940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call for Judgment: pass me quick
< 1319150406 829817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Send spam emails to all email addresses listed on http://www.nomictools.com/agora/registrar/text.
< 1319150406 829914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Repeal ALL rules
< 1319150406 829959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSTED BY SOVIET BRENDON AT 20 OCT 2011 22:29:39 UTC Comments (5)
< 1319150409 40353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] -- http://blognomic.com/blognomic/archive/pass_me_quick/
< 1319150420 59631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that list includes the email address of every player ever :)
< 1319150425 313375 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what are some alternatives to using transformers?
< 1319150447 266469 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not using them, or sometimes using them."
< 1319150450 720349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: there aren't alternatives, you just... don't use transformers
< 1319150451 876195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh well, i already received some mail to the backup list recently.
< 1319150548 361719 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you mean to split the logic for each monad that you want to use into separate functions/data-structures?
< 1319150551 270767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://hpaste.org/52892 <-- afaict that won't work for the reasons i described
< 1319150585 212018 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And indeed it didn't
< 1319150589 155161 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is that allocating or not?
< 1319150610 2177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd think that would allocate...
< 1319150613 691211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should allocate
< 1319150634 249608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything that does anything allocates
< 1319150643 552149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to try really hard to get a non-nop loop that didn't allocate
< 1319150649 77633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might even be impossible
< 1319150699 330763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe that sequence only allocates on the stack, or something?
< 1319150708 990920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um GHC has no stack/heap distinction
< 1319150719 167445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :every allocation is a heap allocation
< 1319150723 223573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is much cheaper than malloc)
< 1319150739 191607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc has a stack.
< 1319150785 951147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm not sure what to tell you other than that ghc does _not_ have a stack/heap allocation distinction
< 1319150797 816587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's irrelevant whether ghc refers to some memory as stack or not
< 1319150801 29681 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it used to, right?
< 1319150805 206052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's about whether the allocation code path is crossed
< 1319150811 121644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what about unboxed values?
< 1319150824 653073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what about them?
< 1319150834 762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1319150838 203589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i see what you mean
< 1319150857 162491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't matter for the question of whether it gets interrupts
< 1319150875 579142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1319151101 399215 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :....my program could easily not work for a different reason... well, wait no
< 1319151108 994482 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :n/m
< 1319151114 115830 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :n/m every related thought
< 1319151134 576593 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: obviously you need GADTs
< 1319151136 917164 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is GADTs
< 1319151145 608279 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :GADT is good for all porpoises
< 1319151253 123144 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need GADTs with a type family of phantom types
< 1319151277 614916 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :parametric phantom types.
< 1319151315 568706 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also instead of Monads you should use arrows
< 1319151367 810590 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrow transformers
< 1319151388 122904 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is that even possible? I'm not very familiar with arrows)
< 1319151461 786145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319151516 23014 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: also once you finish the program replace every function call with thread spawning and TVars
< 1319151587 402096 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does a State of a TVar make sense to do?
< 1319151588 752881 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319151601 207401 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or State of several TVars
< 1319151602 164880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/PjaA
< 1319151604 36731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my code so gangsta
< 1319151607 556656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: no, Reader does though
< 1319151612 588556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: but you likely just don't want transformers at all
< 1319151616 499685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just pass around the relevant TVars
< 1319151636 825640 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and don't forget every serious Haskell program uses ImplicitParameters.
< 1319151647 84290 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the TVar itself is a constant, and mutating the TVar is done in STM
< 1319151649 228848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I wonder if I should just use a hash function for my interning.
< 1319151651 866337 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO that's why it's reader?
< 1319151666 589994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Yes. But like I said, start without using transformers. Pretend transformers don't exist because you probably don't want them.
< 1319151667 770237 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUt what exactly is it reading? Just a bunch of newly initialized TVarts?
< 1319151689 811171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvarts
< 1319151697 620923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: OK, that's not what Reader means.
< 1319151703 572045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, just pass around TVars.
< 1319151708 889457 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a way to make getting a list of nearby avatars in AW easy even though there's no function for that, just callbacks for when avatars appear and disappear
< 1319151724 307308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus christ everything is AW with you.
< 1319151731 67729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, let me say this one more time so it's clear:
< 1319151732 876056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't use transformers.
< 1319151735 3266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just pass around TVars.
< 1319151738 219736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably do not want transformers.
< 1319151758 844370 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I want transformers!
< 1319151772 931452 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :help what's AW
< 1319151775 661345 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure I could use something pre-existing rather than ContT for dealing with flattening out the asynchronous stuff
< 1319151785 756347 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :flattening out?
< 1319151787 173930 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ReaderT WriterT StateT ContT LogicT IdentityT MaybeT IdentityT Identity
< 1319151798 558836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: You just want to write blocking calls.
< 1319151801 555321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: GHC has an event manager.
< 1319151819 602693 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :event manager library, you mean, or what?
< 1319151823 942429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, built-in.
< 1319151826 443122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's how all IO is done.
< 1319151833 540539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :All "blocking" IO is actually done with asynchronous calls.
< 1319151845 175667 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it will let me turn non-blocking calls to blocking calls? COOL
< 1319151846 619663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like node.js, except you don't have to fucking write CPS like a moron.
< 1319151846 986406 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in STM you don't really need to worry about blocking very much do you?
< 1319151852 547115 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes you do.
< 1319151858 753674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You do?
< 1319151861 286402 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have write CPS for all IO in Haskell.
< 1319151865 122252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose (>>=) is pretty CPSy.
< 1319151866 6457 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what (>>=) is for.
< 1319151867 789986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But we have sugar for that. :p
< 1319151872 956730 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>= *is* CPS.
< 1319151876 659290 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets a thing and a continuation.
< 1319151878 482960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1319151884 953292 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why Cont is the best monad.
< 1319151886 61189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (is that even possible? I'm not very familiar with arrows) <-- yes, the arrow package has them
< 1319151908 636327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best monad is data Nomad a = Return a | forall b. Bind (Nomad b) (b -> Nomad a).
< 1319151938 812535 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was the best Nomad
< 1319151957 835516 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also that can break the laws easily.
< 1319151961 963416 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whatever
< 1319152000 941099 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, it's Cont.
< 1319152010 408828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. It's clearly RWS.
< 1319152014 38640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RWST.
< 1319152021 845492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :M = RWST M.
< 1319152034 370973 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319152034 517756 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we can pretty agree that barrier monads are the best.
< 1319152040 877369 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :+much
< 1319152045 518188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wait IdentityT exists?
< 1319152048 314601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: True.
< 1319152052 672903 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Sure, why not?
< 1319152055 456970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Identity = IdentityT Identity.
< 1319152059 63925 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mu RWST
< 1319152059 681854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Standard definition.
< 1319152066 804072 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@slap elliott
< 1319152067 267728 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts on her slapping gloves, and slaps elliott

< 1319152069 9033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wonder if you can make that work.)
< 1319152070 264537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Somehow.)
< 1319152082 374123 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No.
< 1319152083 896037 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't wonder.
< 1319152095 89744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry but I must.
< 1319152154 641070 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is the best monad.

< 1319152167 873726 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recursive type definitions
< 1319152181 184219 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, those are an everyday occurance... I think
< 1319152181 331240 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about them?
< 1319152183 318528 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1319152183 557396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Wow, I even have degrade/intern.
< 1319152189 394452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Like, fully written.
< 1319152192 961969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except wait.
< 1319152198 943728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the maximum length of an argument list this decade?
< 1319152213 258206 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :big
< 1319152215 571799 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: depends on what you mean
< 1319152215 869373 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google cont sigfpe
< 1319152216 745318 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.sigfpe.com/2008/12/mother-of-all-monads.html
< 1319152216 912878 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: A Neighborhood of Infinity: The Mother of
< 1319152219 799388 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: See that.
< 1319152222 19735 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best monad.
< 1319152224 718787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, I've read it.
< 1319152237 500459 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: infinite types are not allowed, but recursive data (i.e. lists) are common
< 1319152255 9350 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, there's a maximum length?
< 1319152269 15168 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf can take an indefinite number of arguments, I think
< 1319152281 723929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1319152284 290978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX.
< 1319152286 253187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or
< 1319152287 72729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux
< 1319152288 447879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really.
< 1319152308 558350 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Surely there should be a typesafe printf? Maybe something with TH?)
< 1319152331 987956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf is type-safe.
< 1319152360 985496 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1319152367 256673 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :type-safe variadic functions are possible in haskell. I know because I read about it on wikipedia
< 1319152367 403441 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if you pass it too many arguments?
< 1319152375 303182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Runtime failure.
< 1319152387 748068 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...how are runtime failures type-safe?
< 1319152403 998788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = error "foo" -- haskell isn't type-safe
< 1319152408 983186 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how type safe is type safe
< 1319152421 397125 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> main = unsafeCoerce "foo" -- haskell isn't type-safe
< 1319152422 269886 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : parse error on input `='
< 1319152427 296073 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how tautological is tautology monqy
< 1319152451 653523 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you make something that will accept oh/
< 1319152456 884338 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :type safe and type safe meant different things there
< 1319152461 809127 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Now you'll say that unsafeCoerce isn't even Haskell?
< 1319152466 395289 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes I know.
< 1319152473 414892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: someAWCall a b = do { result <- newEmptyMVar; asyncAWCall a b (putMVar result); takeMVar result } -- this is blocking + efficient (last argument to asyncAWCall is callback)
< 1319152473 998717 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can implement it in Haskell 2010.
< 1319152474 472639 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will accept only the correct number of arguments, using TH?
< 1319152486 149618 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"efficient"
< 1319152490 900068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Sure, efficient.
< 1319152495 379067 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh.
< 1319152503 179281 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All efficient programs are written in C.
< 1319152508 339674 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or C++. We all know that.
< 1319152511 804898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: wrapAsync f = do { result <- newEmptyMVar; f (putMVar result); takeMVar result }
< 1319152513 912870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Then the above can just be
< 1319152523 821467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: someAWCall a b = wrapAsync (asyncAWCall a b)
< 1319152524 560866 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: assembly programs obviously don't exist anymore.
< 1319152524 707529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tada.
< 1319152528 380434 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Yep.
< 1319152539 9389 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: cool
< 1319152541 843571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It should be the most efficient way to do it blockingly.
< 1319152547 426253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I mean, takeMVar isn't exactly expensive.
< 1319152548 560439 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, in Haskell.
< 1319152551 549938 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...AW isn't threadsafe
< 1319152559 43372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Define isn't threadsafe.
< 1319152559 876805 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how that affects things
< 1319152567 458757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: You can make sure all AW FFI calls happen on one thread.
< 1319152571 993026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With bound threads + a queue.
< 1319152581 358593 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might not be sufficient.
< 1319152585 695588 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't even know what AW is.

< 1319152589 142868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: (And still maintain the same interface.)
< 1319152592 897230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Why mightn't it?
< 1319152594 983364 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some Minecraft thing, probably.
< 1319152604 292787 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's worse/
< 1319152612 771139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I apologise for the fact that Sgeo|web is about to tell you what it is
< 1319152617 338324 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :even nerdier.
< 1319152620 495884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/./
< 1319152624 729429 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see. A lot of functions get their arguments from a changing global parameters thingy that you set with, say, aw_init(AW_SOME_ATTRIB, 346); before the call
< 1319152638 640433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Right. That's fine.
< 1319152656 779735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: You have one Haskell thread, bound to an OS thread, that continually reads AW requests from a queue, mutates the global state, and makes the call.
< 1319152660 381698 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell only assimilates with pure code!
< 1319152667 731724 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very snobby about it.
< 1319152676 325697 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is aw
< 1319152677 976136 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :activeworlds
< 1319152680 359351 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever
< 1319152685 767883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DING DING DING
< 1319152687 491321 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes
< 1319152691 305173 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :creys
< 1319152700 824585 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :creys
< 1319152706 799290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :creys
< 1319152738 146871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :greys
< 1319152765 347207 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you guys Sybil was all lies.
< 1319152773 900942 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1319152786 98877 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real person that Sybil is based on never had disassociative identity disorder
< 1319152799 772268 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :she made it up.
< 1319152802 910659 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :be shocked.
< 1319153032 751927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, those who remember who sybil is, anyhow
< 1319153063 312662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Wikipedia seems rather less sure than you are.
< 1319153103 644335 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not exactly definitive
< 1319153110 416330 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but she admitted to it via writing.
< 1319153125 495864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, i thought we were dissing CakeProphet's ex-girlfriends.  never mind.
< 1319153190 58983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You get to help me define my file format!
< 1319153203 911870 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: okay. it will use sequences of byte values.
< 1319153209 669841 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good start.
< 1319153211 894461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (a(b*)c*)*
< 1319153235 284814 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good file format.
< 1319153236 925409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No bad.
< 1319153247 627931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.
< 1319153251 438790 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is on the right track though.

< 1319153347 81238 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: file format for what? may I ask?
< 1319153378 194213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Reverse-context tree.
< 1319153390 77072 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay. JSON. :)
< 1319153400 663941 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> :? :>
< 1319153403 754365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Of about a terabyte.
< 1319153410 982615 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait there's probably some duplication right?
< 1319153416 218153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1319153427 23210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hate
< 1319153469 350309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, *+"
< 1319153474 930346 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: make a table of trees and assign a ID to each. the top of the file lists the unique tables, enumerated with IDs from 0 to n
< 1319153489 114752 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the second part of the file references these ids or something?
< 1319153492 698779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I also have to be able to merge an arbitrary number of such files with constant space usage.
< 1319153493 231916 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno.
< 1319153497 628727 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh
< 1319153514 98705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks he'll opt to bother fizzie about it instead of CakeProphet.

< 1319153556 213572 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my file format is basically how Python's pickle format works. :P
< 1319153651 315405 :Nisstyre!~yours@infocalypse-net.info JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319153684 134315 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe if I knew more about what a reverse context tree is.
< 1319153689 767264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, maybe.
< 1319153759 483432 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read from very reliable sources that Huffman Coding is a good way to reduce the size of a file.
< 1319153798 841112 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe sometimes it'll be constant even!
< 1319153938 334823 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the world's first spinal transplant was done in 2007
< 1319153972 647317 :ive!~nn@189.254.119.170 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319154029 2946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is spinal transplant
< 1319154108 577353 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yesterday in History class we watched scenes from 300
< 1319154117 637060 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically the battle scenes because they somewhat accurate
< 1319154132 779616 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :+are
< 1319154137 335809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this. is. history.
< 1319154175 330825 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: does a reverse context tree maybe reduce to a n-order markov model?
< 1319154193 394625 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can construct the tree from a much smaller amount of data.
< 1319154416 834290 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it wouldn't be difficult to explain what the hell a reverse context tree is.
< 1319154435 853017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but I already know what the basic structure has to look like.
< 1319154451 934251 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARE YOU SURE?
< 1319154455 436084 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :?????
< 1319154550 735205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I should figure out this shit myself.
< 1319154562 108650 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no dude I'm a wizard
< 1319154565 728135 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will guide you in the direction
< 1319154616 269555 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you have consulted me
< 1319154624 96241 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will figure everything out about the shit.
< 1319154629 577731 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit will not even be a confusing thing to you.
< 1319154668 322973 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :your tree, you want it to be of a reverse context, yes?
< 1319154677 422985 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319154678 901533 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just find the minimum possible amount of information you need to create one.
< 1319155215 309713 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :woooooo
< 1319155548 830480 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map ord ['1'..'0']
< 1319155549 759744 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  []
< 1319155555 230657 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map ord ['0'..'9']
< 1319155556 49239 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [48,49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57]
< 1319155632 859525 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map ord $ ['0'..'9'] ++ ['A'..'F']
< 1319155636 34202 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [48,49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,65,66,67,68,69,70]
< 1319155649 213339 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :handy
< 1319155682 248037 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :>65-57
< 1319155708 904139 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (chr . (\x -> 48+x+(8*(toIntegral$x/10))) [0..15]
< 1319155709 717156 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation)
< 1319155717 244296 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (chr . (\x -> 48+x+(8*(toIntegral $ x / 10))) [0..15]
< 1319155718 527508 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation)
< 1319155722 855376 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (chr . (\x -> 48+x+(8*(toIntegral $ x / 10)))) [0..15]
< 1319155723 812984 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `toIntegral'
< 1319155734 383857 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Rational -> Integral
< 1319155734 951586 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: Unknown type Integral
< 1319155735 116805 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Numeric fromRat :: RealFloat a => Rational -> a
< 1319155735 263521 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude fromRational :: Fractional a => Rational -> a
< 1319155740 641884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord . intToDigit <$> [0..15]
< 1319155741 676642 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (chr . (\x -> 48+x+(8*(fromRational $ x / 10)))) [0..15]
< 1319155742 253432 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [48,49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,97,98,99,100,101,102]
< 1319155742 543548 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Int'
< 1319155742 732102 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type ...
< 1319155746 643996 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :char in C++ is unsigned by default yes?
< 1319155763 661920 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-21-30.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1319155777 165496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> intToDigit <$> [0..15]
< 1319155778 69383 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "0123456789abcdef"
< 1319155786 840464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: char's signedness is undefined.
< 1319155789 93941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in C
< 1319155795 712486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :glibc/linux uses signed char
< 1319155804 36812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1319155804 778141 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1319155805 382404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc/linux
< 1319155827 65749 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :return ((int)data)-48  //so then this probably isn't sensible where data is declared char.
< 1319155845 413115 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and guaranteed at this point to be a char from 0 to 9
< 1319155876 108888 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may just convert the char to a string and use atoi...
< 1319155883 392260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc the 0-127 ascii range is guaranteed to be positive
< 1319155897 90110 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1319155902 204302 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't matter...
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< 1319158109 183185 :Zondartul!Nikita@D-128-208-32-89.dhcp4.washington.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey. I bet this question gets asked a hundred times a day... but what do is your stance on the fictional language ~ath from homestuck?
< 1319158122 201491 :Zondartul!Nikita@D-128-208-32-89.dhcp4.washington.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is your stance guys*
< 1319158154 981474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm are any of the homestuck readers active...
< 1319158174 405786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i haven't heard it before.
< 1319158186 350405 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good esolang
< 1319158189 669818 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm awake
< 1319158191 224984 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that there's no spec for it so not really.
< 1319158293 655926 :Zondartul!Nikita@D-128-208-32-89.dhcp4.washington.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww... I thought one of you esolang programmers would hack together something that resembles it by now :P
< 1319158332 410607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have almost as many Homestuck readers as Finns now.
< 1319158380 971485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gasp*
< 1319158391 453290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...is there any overlap?
< 1319158419 100641 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the world-destroying semantics have been a little tricky to implement.
< 1319158447 944098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: By one, yes.
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< 1319160614 616495 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There's a complication. I can't just randomly block the thread making the AW calls
< 1319160642 797935 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that needs to call aw_wait() on a regular basis. And during the aw_wait() calls is when events are triggered
< 1319160649 223354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: It wouldn't block.
< 1319160678 244739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: I can help you hash out an actual design sometime, but not right now. You can definitely make it work out though.
< 1319160797 888733 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is busy taking over the world.
< 1319160864 78847 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone did write code using .NET's new async stuff
< 1319160882 412789 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which kind of makes me jealous since I kind of wanted to show off making async calls look synchroneous
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< 1319160969 683595 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continuations?
< 1319160970 333006 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::V
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< 1319161039 855510 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :STM
< 1319161042 324404 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that.
< 1319161076 162042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :N...
< 1319161079 149674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o...
< 1319161080 364678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't.
< 1319161085 644749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :STM is something completely different.
< 1319161095 259244 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not calls...
< 1319161100 411389 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just curious, why use an MVar instead of STM?
< 1319161111 840936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: STM buys you nothing here. I presume you mean TMVars.
< 1319161122 831232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't want transactional semantics, you want the lower-level interface of MVar.
< 1319161134 648689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's never a conflict by definition anyway.
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< 1319161315 129199 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's wrong with "using namespace std"?
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< 1319161319 829483 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :people don't seem to like it.
< 1319161342 259314 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I really don't enjoy the propagation of stds in my code.
< 1319161404 982299 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you're using it in a header, then you're forcing it on people, is one issue
< 1319161409 855194 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-102.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"More typing is good"
< 1319161445 374267 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Haskell, it is
< 1319161447 345516 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.>
< 1319161489 164928 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: what about outside of headers?
< 1319161649 260281 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you import the right header files you suddenly have names like hex, left, plus or count in your global scope. This might be surprising if you are not aware that std:: contains these names. If you also try to use these names locally it can lead to quite some confusion."
< 1319161657 458219 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1452721/why-is-using-namespace-std-considered-a-bad-practice-in-c
< 1319161717 170307 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay but what about when I'm not a header file.
< 1319161738 698799 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that applies to even in a non-header file
< 1319161784 51209 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh
< 1319161788 373852 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses namespace std.

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< 1319166454 511268 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh what was the option to get debugging symbols from g++?
< 1319166459 214960 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :-g
< 1319166466 469717 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... don't believe you.
< 1319166471 10791 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do
< 1319166482 577510 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pooppy's right on this one.
< 1319166487 875873 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the same as any other GCC compiler.
< 1319166499 212483 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the option for those either.
< 1319166507 667778 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I recall it being a longer option name.
< 1319166509 872558 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time I asked. :P
< 1319166531 970094 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume by "get debugging symbols" you mean "have debugging symbols in the output binary"?
< 1319166713 772015 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct.
< 1319166871 178505 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhh, then you want -gdwarf-2 -feliminate-dwarf2-dups -fno-merge-debug-strings -fmem-report -fprofile-arcs.
< 1319166950 582347 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1319166952 210865 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think O'
< 1319166957 306278 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just valgrind instead.
< 1319166966 96347 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION lols.

< 1319166989 574298 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca TOPIC #esoteric :Agora invades BlogNomic! | #include "stdio.h"
< 1319166989 721360 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main() { auto anonfunc = [](int a) { return a;}; printf("%s\n", typeid(anonfunc.operator()).name()); }
< 1319166993 38848 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1319166999 355422 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooo
< 1319167004 990910 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you make me look at the ugly lambda syntax
< 1319167010 308479 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone have the log link?
< 1319167013 271645 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mispaste :(
< 1319167018 589679 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :pooppy is now banned from changing the topic | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1319167032 474032 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca TOPIC #esoteric :Agora invades BlogNomic! | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1319167063 349517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very esoteric matter
< 1319167078 584487 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the esotericest matter
< 1319167078 842329 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants a language where time and space complexity are part of types

< 1319167085 678177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Agora invades BlogNomic! | 12345678^&!* | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1319167151 122464 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: I would like some runtime value constraints as part of types.
< 1319167171 780116 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could say "this value is between in this interval of integers" for example.
< 1319167184 380342 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, insert grammatical correctness
< 1319167214 937272 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that would be some form of dependent typing.
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< 1319169834 969415 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homestuckers other than tswett: EoA5 progress bar UPDATE to 96%
< 1319169877 378145 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :96% party
< 1319170335 729834 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-33-19.resnet.ucsb.edu QUIT :Quit: kwertii
< 1319170339 893272 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :friendship 96%
< 1319170344 994042 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :friendship 96% party
< 1319170718 767131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey monqy design my file format
< 1319170943 98420 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale... actually agreed with something I said
< 1319170955 60432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE A CELEBRITY NOW.
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< 1319171308 192951 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of file format
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< 1319171394 567401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: reverse-context tree
< 1319171418 324044 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't say I know much about those
< 1319171447 160442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yeah but i mean i just need like
< 1319171449 656035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b-trees and shit
< 1319171450 398868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;__;
< 1319171495 329023 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never been fond of bee trees.
< 1319171498 434866 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those things hurt, you know
< 1319171776 891975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs Oranjer
< 1319171786 150771 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.4459
< 1319174730 532495 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :craaazy people http://www.tpuc.org/node/609
< 1319174742 986234 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DECEPTION of: INCLUDE(S) used by TV LICENSING oop's sorry! CONSIGNIA (CUSTOMER MANAGEMENT) LTD also Traded as TV LICENSING
< 1319174752 304194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me
< 1319174818 923235 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this webs ite sure is angry
< 1319174834 686613 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop ylling my ears are senseteve i have problems
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< 1319174892 734256 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please note the CAPITALISATION should not be seen as shouting, but is simply being used to highlight the LEGAL ILLUSION.
< 1319174904 436163 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :(however, it is much funnier if you yell the more bolded/capitalized/underliend it is)
< 1319174912 552846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: did you read that Free Man site where like
< 1319174922 734064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a contract for your legal fiction which is distinguished by being ALL CAPITALS
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< 1319174928 314569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you go into court and demand they address you by their firts name
< 1319174929 565564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not binding
< 1319174930 738465 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's this website
< 1319174931 190598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its so fucking amazing
< 1319174931 964039 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1319174932 617490 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically
< 1319174939 604854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: no it was much more lo-fi but yes i am sure it is peddled in many places
< 1319174989 696340 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i read "free man site" i thought timecube
< 1319174993 22596 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the LEGAL world can only ACT (CONTRACT) upon LEGAL PERSONALITIES (PIECES of PAPER) they need the Man or Woman to REPRESENT a BIRTH CERTIFICATE, LEGAL PERSONALITY, a PIECE of PAPER.
< 1319174996 517344 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the freeest man site
< 1319175028 580483 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :freeest is the freeest usage of English gramar.
< 1319175035 610361 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, if the legal system was run by robotic beings
< 1319175042 54252 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :freemen would actually have a chance
< 1319175056 72570 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-33-19.resnet.ucsb.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319175069 920053 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can only act upon legal personalities.

< 1319175090 276239 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-228-27.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1319175098 605866 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is a function that takes a pointer to a legal personality

< 1319175169 858341 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone seen C++ code that takes references to pointers?
< 1319175179 295202 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also can you have points to references? that sounds weird to me.
< 1319175183 601540 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pointers
< 1319175215 607355 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319175251 169792 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointers are weird
< 1319175271 378421 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :references too
< 1319175272 617764 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/1sf8shae(v=vs.80).aspx references to pointers
< 1319175289 702604 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't find pointer to reference. I don't think that even makes sense
< 1319175426 230196 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319175439 478194 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1319175462 160312 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-63-203.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319175462 381624 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-63-203.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1319175462 528229 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319175564 579369 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: http://www.cnet.com/8301-30976_1-20068778-10348864.html
< 1319175754 783471 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to operate a nuclear facilities using itunes
< 1319175762 885627 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time I try to load that page google chrome's tab crashes
< 1319175764 640201 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird.......
< 1319175771 766452 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then put them on aircraft and operate the aircraft using itunes
< 1319175780 559362 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff itunes operated life support systems into it
< 1319175823 584126 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319175841 916768 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man eulas are nuts
< 1319175879 230794 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :legal systems are nuts in general.
< 1319175918 306007 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously we should probably utilize this great new invention called the computer to assist us with categorizing and maintaining laws.
< 1319175955 484943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: they tried that
< 1319175958 4752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and look where blognomic is now
< 1319175962 446679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Sgeo|web: TOPICAL JOKE
< 1319175990 930826 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca TOPIC #esoteric :BlogNomic invades BlogNomic! | 12345678^&!* | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1319176003 442535 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-208-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro++
< 1319176008 346974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1319176016 630749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a stunning success and therefore failure
< 1319176045 87149 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I mean things like "modularizing" law.
< 1319176045 368804 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is blognomic?
< 1319176058 927737 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-228-27.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319176073 309011 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can refer to previous laws or a category of laws systematically, use consistent terminology, etc.
< 1319176092 783709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: fucked
< 1319176141 184447 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess in some countries this is basically how laws work.
< 1319176155 479109 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's no accessible means by which the average person can sit and learn about it all.
< 1319176165 147504 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much legalese to sift through without obvious definitions.
< 1319176173 379561 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why hypertext would be good, for legal bodies.
< 1319176187 905576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://agora.qoid.us/current_flr.html
< 1319176191 132384 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*legal documents
< 1319176207 235499 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a category/template system. essentially like a wiki.
< 1319176214 754802 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but without the anonymous editing part.
< 1319176229 334057 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have weighted powers?
< 1319176251 378929 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: a game where, supposedly, all rules including the rules regarding rule changes can change
< 1319176262 295619 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In reality, it's looking more like "Ignore the rules if someone abuses them"
< 1319176275 788128 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pursues the victory condition of Anarchy.

< 1319176296 128669 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can I play? pretend I never said that. :P
< 1319176302 440805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: what, agora?
< 1319176304 587143 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1319176306 818150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1319176314 730565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sign up for the lists, post saying you're registered
< 1319176322 232647 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice ASCII whale.
< 1319176332 495714 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try not to look like a BlogNomic player, and that's not a whale
< 1319176342 574425 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on it has a blowhole
< 1319176350 288026 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else is a big fat fish with a blowhole.
< 1319176355 513737 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regarding the file format, following oerjan I suggest {a^i b^i c^i | i > 0}, as it cannot be recognized by a pushdown automaton.
< 1319176370 253766 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whales aren't fish, but it's been a while since I saw the ruleset
< 1319176383 558786 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1319176415 99962 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is permitted only when the Rules explicitly or implicitly permit it.
< 1319176416 247823 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The @ makes it look a bit dizzy.
< 1319176418 664215 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :implicitly, eh?
< 1319176482 173372 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :spivak pronouns?
< 1319176484 307893 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :weijiwejriuhwejr
< 1319176567 388991 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :spivak pronouns = pirate pronouns
< 1319177398 406885 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :[CFJ 2410 (called 11 March 2009): Consent to join a binding agreement
< 1319177399 394708 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :may be given privately.]
< 1319177401 348066 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh snap.
< 1319177411 725125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: been exploited in literally every way you can imagine, don't bother
< 1319177477 921359 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rule itself is a kind of exploit.
< 1319177485 775959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1319177486 370938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1319177488 306263 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a, legal... exploit.
< 1319177488 531119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm too busy to talk about agora
< 1319177489 126176 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :LO
< 1319177506 138923 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you're welcome to be busy and not reply then. :P
< 1319177572 809058 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case if I were planning to exploit something I surely wouldn't make mention of it.
< 1319177771 324139 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319179736 688247 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pizzas are a good way to describe composing data types in Haskell
< 1319179754 267906 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cheese pizza is basically the most basic kind of pizza, a pizza with nothing on it.
< 1319179759 913134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from
< 1319179760 760544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheese
< 1319179770 959314 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right but almost every other kind of pizza has cheese
< 1319179773 260495 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the baseline.
< 1319179776 129650 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for being a pizza.
< 1319179816 298465 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in a pepperoni pizza, you just include the cheese pizza, and pepperonis :P
< 1319179845 244208 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... basically as far as I've gone with this analogy. It breaksdown rapidly from there. :P
< 1319179956 251592 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a person who only eats pizza with no cheese on it.
< 1319179966 178529 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's definitely not a requirement for being a pizza.
< 1319180033 94724 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well pizza does have a very wide definition.
< 1319180087 113341 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of the typical definitions of pizza eliminate the cheese and only a few eliminate tomato sauce ("white" pizzas)
< 1319180097 987349 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :typical kinds of pizzas, rather.
< 1319180101 111606 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not definitions.
< 1319180126 527142 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that was confusing. Anyway, there are several "standard" no-cheese pizza flavours in Italy.
< 1319180158 722328 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly I can't recall the names; they're not exactly widely available e.g. in Finland.
< 1319180185 707075 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :white pizza is the best.
< 1319180189 158400 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely my favorite.
< 1319180237 807401 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a "vegan pizza" would certainly have no cheese.
< 1319180283 132418 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pizza Marinara is at least a no-cheese thing.
< 1319180320 393280 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's very much a "standard" pizza.
< 1319180451 126933 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's listed as one of the three official Neapolitan pizzas in the Wikipedia article; it seems that means one of the three mentioned in the EU trademark for "Pizza Napoletana".
< 1319180473 383125 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"‘Pizza Napoletana’ TSG is round with a variable diameter not exceeding 35 cm and a raised rim and
< 1319180473 530066 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is garnished and baked in the oven. The central part is 0,4 cm thick, with a tolerance of ± 10 %, and
< 1319180473 530242 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rim is 1-2 cm thick. The overall pizza must be tender, elastic and easily foldable into four."
< 1319180488 853354 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The ‘Pizza Napoletana’ is seasoned as follows:
< 1319180489 179 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :— using a spoon, place 70 to 100 g of crushed, peeled tomatoes in the centre of the disc of dough,
< 1319180489 289 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :— using a spiralling motion, spread the tomato over the whole central surface,
< 1319180489 348 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :— using a spiralling motion, add the salt to the surface of the tomato,
< 1319180489 403 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :— in the same manner, scatter a pinch of oregano on the surface,
< 1319180489 353359 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :— chop a peeled clove of garlic into thin slices and place them on top of the tomato,
< 1319180491 352681 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :— using an oil dispenser with a spout and a spiralling motion, distribute over the surface area, from
< 1319180493 349955 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the centre outwards, 4-5 g of extra virgin olive oil, with a tolerance of + 20 %."
< 1319180495 415023 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best trademark document.
< 1319180516 52566 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't even specify the direction of the spiralling motion. :(
< 1319180551 986202 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-208-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do believe the defining aspect of pizza is that it is flattened bread with toppings.
< 1319180560 178378 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depends on which hemisphere you live in
< 1319180590 82853 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :European food laws = the most ridiculous thing.
< 1319180595 549702 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially in Italy.
< 1319180614 958391 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Italian open pie made of thin bread dough spread with a spiced mixture of e.g. tomato sauce and cheese" --wordnet.
< 1319180628 690235 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I can see benefits of having food laws and drawbacks.
< 1319180642 978330 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pizza has largely become the amazing thing it is today thanks to American corruption.
< 1319180651 716991 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A savoury dish of Italian origin, consisting of a flat, usually round base of dough, baked with a topping of tomatoes, cheese, and any of various other ingredients, such as meat, anchovies, or olives." --OED: so as a corollary, if it tastes bad, it's not a pizza?
< 1319180662 333957 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-208-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: s/American/Italian/
< 1319180663 963282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could get a refund based on that.
< 1319180670 962680 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-208-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The corruption was the doing of Italians in America.
< 1319180712 13129 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, many Americans were, are, and come from European immigrants.
< 1319180786 791125 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-208-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I mean is "it was literally done by first-generation Italian immigrants".
< 1319180791 250982 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a downside to loose food regulation, American food companies can package almost any concoction with a few basic ingredients and call it something that it really shouldn't be called at that point.
< 1319180840 28210 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coincidentally, fi:pissa = en:pee.
< 1319180870 277271 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-208-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Actually, it's not quite that loose.
< 1319180948 704124 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :comparatively it is, but yes there are regulations.
< 1319180957 172530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wyngz
< 1319180965 341295 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-208-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wyngz is actually a regulated term.
< 1319181013 150202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
< 1319181029 326227 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FSIS has a standard of identity in Title 9 of the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), Section 381.170(b)(7) that defines a poultry "wing." The use of the term "wing" cannot be used on any poultry product unless it complies with this standard of identity. In comparison, FSIS allows the use of the term "wyngz" to denote a product that is in the shape of a wing or a bite-size appetizer type product under the following conditions in which the Agency considers its u
< 1319181029 472941 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :se fanciful and not misleading: [5 conditions]"
< 1319181056 93130 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- the smallest letter in the descriptive name is no smaller than 1/3 the size of the largest letter used in "wyngz;" and --"
< 1319181062 138309 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you call the pizza trademark silly.
< 1319181082 674085 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-208-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't. If anything, US food regulations are even more silly.
< 1319181122 369623 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant "ridiculous" in the sense that they're unecessarily strict, not silly.
< 1319181131 781945 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are certainly better worded.
< 1319181136 783566 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no mistaking what an Italian pizza is.
< 1319181149 820688 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :American wings = ??????
< 1319181293 766725 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-208-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has to be an actual wing from a chicken.
< 1319181297 862203 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what "wyngz" are is even more confusing.
< 1319181308 161546 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-208-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wyngz are... Perverse.
< 1319181336 850053 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if I create a solid block of macaroni and cheese in the shape of a wing, then that could be wyngz?
< 1319181343 119934 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the Agency has to decide.
< 1319181398 420992 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that in order to be "potato chips" it must be fried.
< 1319181405 643593 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus why Pringles are "potato crisps"
< 1319181434 748469 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-208-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Per their current definition of wyngz, it has to be white chicken meat in a bite-sized form...
< 1319181448 790176 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bite...sized?
< 1319181469 946371 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-208-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm.
< 1319181473 68956 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-208-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should sleep.
< 1319181475 277622 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1319181490 400519 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it needs to be bite-sized: "in the shape of a wing *or* a bite-size appetizer type product" [emphasis mine].
< 1319181507 410842 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it does need to be white chicken.
< 1319181513 353367 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-208-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, right.
< 1319181515 86640 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1319181521 412245 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-208-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could have a giant wyngz.
< 1319181537 628685 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I could make a wing-shaped product that is not capable of being eaten in a single mouthful.
< 1319181551 960538 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a unicorn shaped product that is edible in one "bite"
< 1319181554 902454 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know.
< 1319181555 883389 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-208-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1319181674 323637 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Remember to submit your "wyngz" label to the Labeling and Program Delivery Division for sketch approval, because it is considered a special statement that cannot be generically approved.
< 1319181691 174584 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1319181705 425624 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that apply for all names not regulated?
< 1319181710 416172 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as wyngicorns?
< 1319181723 446189 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or...
< 1319181728 458179 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :great cubicuboctahedrons?
< 1319181731 681421 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The statement may only reference the term "wyngz" (no other misspellings are permitted)."
< 1319181747 962425 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so I'd need one of those subtext things.
< 1319181753 114147 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :below my wyngicorns brand.
< 1319181769 857483 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to be... considered wyngz
< 1319181771 498797 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever that is.
< 1319181803 881890 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly "wyngicorn" is far-enough removed from "wing" that it doesn't need special handling? I don't know.
< 1319181850 242226 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goal: chicken wyngicornz available in every bar.
< 1319181926 558132 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it said I "may" name them wyngz but don't have to if they fit this definition.
< 1319181944 632181 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's more like... a helpful suggestion.
< 1319181960 280934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: but if it's too close to wings, you'll get dinge
< 1319181960 679519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :d
< 1319181965 999872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because wings is regulated
< 1319181966 929623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like
< 1319181969 871549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiingz
< 1319181971 514536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is misleading
< 1319181992 760161 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u88AOoYAOQE this is pretty much the best TAS
< 1319181998 911617 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assure you that both wyngicorns and great cubicuboctahedrons will be nothing like wings.
< 1319182022 956889 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's not a poultry product at all, though, there may be more latitude. I think you can have edible "cardboard wiingz" without problems.
< 1319182032 184570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edible cardboard?
< 1319182041 627709 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a matter of seasoning.
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< 1319182285 178849 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's edible styrofoam.
< 1319182312 446836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate styorofoamfs texture so much uuuurgh
< 1319182336 776485 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though nothing on the internet seems to suggest there's such a thing.
< 1319182357 208282 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe my childhood friend's mom was pranking me into eating styrofoam.
< 1319182389 499834 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a mean adult.
< 1319182424 230622 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no there's such a thing as "corn plastic"
< 1319182485 508578 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maillard reaction: great reaction or greatest reaction?
< 1319182487 327280 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :discuss
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< 1319184881 816485 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piet program spotted in the wild: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/the-rare-find-reinventing-recruiting-10132011.html (The whole puzzle thing is old, I guess, but didn't spot Piet in there.)
< 1319184910 124899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319185140 933228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> intercalate "?" (repeat "?")
< 1319185141 782717 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????...
< 1319185193 524154 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: good porgram
< 1319185203 718591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN2's
< 1319185214 695300 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...whut
< 1319185215 844115 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1319185356 167167 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why would anyone write that.
< 1319185435 806115 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If this were pure math and not Haskell, would it... oh, still countably infinite
< 1319185480 755415 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid hotel story for kids has _still_ infected my mind and made me thing wrong thoughts
< 1319185481 77266 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> intercalate "!" (repeat "?")
< 1319185481 902582 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!...
< 1319185487 438950 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t repeat
< 1319185488 286790 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. a -> [a]
< 1319185492 716495 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t intercalate
< 1319185493 591665 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [a] -> [[a]] -> [a]
< 1319185501 213400 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: dude Facebook should totally hire me because I can recognize Piet programs.
< 1319185510 279370 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \x -> intercalate x . repeat
< 1319185511 86435 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [a] -> [a] -> [a]
< 1319185542 881427 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it. How do you pass an [a] into a [[a]]
< 1319185636 660177 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feces has always been associated with the lowest people among society, the social outcasts, the pariahs, the social discards. The Caste system in India was created along the lines of profession and the dalits or shudras (untouchables) were left to do work related to human emissions. They did such work as clean and pick feces from streets, clean toilets, work with dead bodies. Such practices are prevalent even today in th
< 1319185643 597736 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how it says "shit"
< 1319185652 697213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where
< 1319185668 754424 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feces#Social_Implications
< 1319185674 694826 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there.
< 1319185697 778059 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: help what is that program for.
< 1319185721 331034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i probablys hould have realiesd that page would contain pictures of feces
< 1319185723 71646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :euuuuuurgh
< 1319185757 280015 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's missing the "bear scat showing a diet of prime numbers" picture.
< 1319185773 942987 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no human feces oddly enough
< 1319185782 456923 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember at one point there was a picture of human shit.
< 1319185785 269755 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a plat
< 1319185786 408655 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1319185803 942949 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone shat on a plate and took a picture of it for Wikipedia.
< 1319185826 392712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  It's missing the "bear scat showing a diet of prime numbers" picture.
< 1319185832 508230 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :688)  It's missing the "bear scat showing a diet of prime numbers" picture.
< 1319185860 627480 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps someone shat on a plate and took a picture of it, and then later realized "oh, I can upload this to Wikipedia too, to do my part of the encyclopedia-making".
< 1319185962 123613 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Hotel story?
< 1319185988 316886 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some rendition of Hilbert Hotel
< 1319186017 553148 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ending had an infinite number of infinite-sized busses, and at the time, it seemed as though it was left ambiguous as to whether that was doable (countably infinite)
< 1319186069 466809 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everyone_Poops
< 1319186070 762472 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :best book.
< 1319186091 224962 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :deserves a nobel prize in literature.
< 1319186173 530640 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ccs3.lanl.gov/mega-math/workbk/infinity/inhotel.html
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< 1319187947 33896 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: What's wrong with Hilbert's hotel?
< 1319187949 737233 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works fine.
< 1319187994 484890 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure you can enumerate an that. It's just (N,N) ~ Q
< 1319188031 461919 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The part with the infinite people on infinite buses, I mistook what the story said wrt building catching on fire to mean that it wouldn't work
< 1319188045 501366 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was quite some time ago
< 1319188215 92051 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: still, I imagine there are plenty of good programmers who have never heard of Piet.
< 1319188232 519559 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so missed an opportunity to solve the actual puzzle.
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< 1319197321 336039 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to be slowly shaking away that "put a space after a trailing ?" habit: http://sprunge.us/cQhA
< 1319197333 610433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319197359 948838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so if i made a bot that just happened to ...
< 1319197388 166379 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other people might find such a bot quite irritating.
< 1319197404 696655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHEESH
< 1319198302 897722 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ssy, does anyone know that thing that goes "da da da DA da da da"?  I think it's not from Homestuck.
< 1319198500 502505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :katamari damacy\
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< 1319200135 91186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: was i right
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< 1319201769 991755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey fizzie.
< 1319202032 591489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie. fizzie. Get what you get to do.
< 1319202218 689885 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not here and no-one's seen me. You must be talking to yourself.
< 1319202274 267835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. fizzie: WHAT'S A GOOD REVERSE CONTEXT TREE FORMAT.
< 1319202345 238037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hmm, actually I'm not sure I completely understand them. Does every single branch have "what comes next" information?
< 1319202360 13810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Like, at the root of the tree is there "what comes next" information for every single word in the corpus?
< 1319202370 391065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or is it for getting the first word?)
< 1319202503 333388 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in a theoretical discussion, at the root of the tree, the "what comes next" list would be the corpus unigrams; correspondingly, at subnode /FOO/BAR, the "what comes next" list would be the list of last words of all trigrams that match "BAR FOO *".
< 1319202520 202885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. So every single node has a what's next list.
< 1319202535 460601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But, I suppose, in practice you omit the "what comes next" at the root of the tree?
< 1319202614 299064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should still have an explicit start/end token. Except, wait, there's no actual way to extract those from n-gram data, is there?
< 1319202640 370534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll have to take sentence terminator tokens as my first thing, and then just drop the first token generated.
< 1319202736 867800 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure. I might not, just in case it has to back off to the zero-length context. (E.g. think of the case where it has generated "foo znurg", and [foo][znurg] was the only bigram (or any higher gram, obviously) containing the word 'znurg' that made the 40-count cutoffs. In that case, there will be no valid context, no /znurg node in the tree, and it has to create the next word from the unigrams.)
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< 1319202794 575032 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Explicit start/end tokens are typical, then you generate an initial context of "" when generating forward. But you're right that it's hard to get those from the Google data since they opted not to sentence-split their books.
< 1319202799 753935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I suppose it can't do any harm.
< 1319202810 505498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl
< 1319202810 652188 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006)
< 1319202813 587674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I like this one
< 1319202816 960290 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: mr president, it is only natural that the european parliament' s opportunities to study and evaluate the work of the research activities from the beginning of the 1980s there were 10 million new jobs created between 1997 and 1999, it would seem to be wholly absolute. thus it is not a fight against those who had previously opposed any military intervention and interference. two years of work, strengthening social cohesio
< 1319202849 305839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Are there any advantages of just doing "Take the union of the what's-next lists at the nodes '.', '!', '?', ... and then pick a token from there as the first token"?
< 1319202857 597826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I mean, it misses out e.g. the first sentences of books.
< 1319202866 338497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it seems like a sentence terminator is a pretty good place to find the start of a sentence.
< 1319202884 432833 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to suggest an initial context of "." or something, though of course there's quite a lot of .s that are not sentence terminators.
< 1319202921 531548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, right. I mean, remember that the actual generation will look like "start with n-gram, work forwards until sentence terminator, work backwards until sentence start".
< 1319202926 509087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beacuse of my double-tree thing.
< 1319202966 135837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Something like "sentence terminator → capital letter" seems to be a pretty good judge of start-of-sentence.
< 1319202974 648064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, obviously it won't be perfect.
< 1319202994 858889 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not much more you can do than to treat the proper punctuation for sentence-termination, since for better sentence-splitting (to realize that "And the Mr J. Smith ate him." is not two sentences) you'd almost have to have the original sources.
< 1319203018 415055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1319203026 482089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That, uh, is some sentence.)
< 1319203096 378906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data RCT = Branch (Map String Int) (Map String RCT)
< 1319203109 550207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where first map is word → occurs, and second descends down the tree.
< 1319203110 497223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think.
< 1319203116 617796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I wrong? Am I stupid? Am I bad? :(
< 1319203150 399080 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the tokens are interned, that might be a (Map Int Int) and (Map Int RCT) or something.
< 1319203162 847214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, yes, it's ~symbolic~; remember that I can't actually load these into RAM.
< 1319203183 276533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: What's a good way to do a weighted random choice on (occurs,choice) sets that you don't want to load into memory? :p
< 1319203196 869525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess the interning gives the advantage that each element of the set is constant-sized.)
< 1319203207 717425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So if I ordered them by occurs, I could just pick skewed towards the end of the list?)
< 1319203210 869722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except that's kind of naff.
< 1319203212 678834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1319203215 87139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except, wait.
< 1319203227 322674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no harm loading it into memory, because it'll never be larger than the unigrams.
< 1319203238 591056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the unigrams are just going to be a few megabytes in total. Maybe ten.
< 1319203242 984752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least so fizzie says. :p
< 1319203315 548260 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you can probably stand loading a single node. But if you want, you could store it on-disk as (sum of occurs, [(cumulative occurs, choice)]), then pick a uniformly distributed value from [0, sum of occurs) and find the smallest choice for which the cumulative value is larger by a binary search.
< 1319203331 646193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds rather excruciatingly slow.
< 1319203357 158883 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. For the most part, the nodes are likely to be quite small.
< 1319203359 757532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if I'm talking to a mechanical disk over USB, loading a few megs of sequential data is so much better than doing a binary search seek over a few megs of sequential data it's not even funny.
< 1319203542 933903 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for the sentence start tokens, you can sort-of artificially add those by ignoring all ". a b c d" and "w x y z ." (unfiltered, those would be redundant; even filtered, you'll probably get a reasonable set of punctuation-in-the-middle grams) and then for each "z . a b c", "y z . a b", "x y z . a" add the corresponding "z .   a" and so on only when a starts with a capital letter and z is not a single character (to remove "Mr J. Smith"). Possibly not wor
< 1319203543 117258 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :th the hassle.
< 1319203600 152442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: How is that different to what I'd do at babble-time?
< 1319203713 46672 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess you can do the same at that time. Just that you'd generate one past the potential sentence-separator token at the end, and one before the sentence-separator token at the start, so you can apply some guesswork there.
< 1319203887 745695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1319203890 69844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I might do it.
< 1319203892 443733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems rather... minor.
< 1319204142 82092 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I also "invented" your double-tree idea the other day. I was thinking of just having a regular trie of n-grams, with the "next word" lists, and then went all "ooh, an idea;  if you add a 'previous word' list too so that for 'a b c d' you put 'a' on that list for /b/c/d, then you can generate backwards too and share much of the structure". Took a moment to realize that is actually equivalent for a reverse-context style tree for going backwards + re
< 1319204142 228879 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gular context tree for going forward, which is pretty much the same thing as doing reverse-context for forward prediction and regular-context for backward.
< 1319204198 91134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yep. That's... what I said, yes.
< 1319204219 670653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What does "pretty much" mean here?
< 1319204221 907177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's literally identical.
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< 1319204359 252797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless?
< 1319204393 128912 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no, it's not literally identical; you end up with a differently shaped tree, for one thing. In the first option (reverse-context for backward, regular-context for forward) it's slightly simpler to go backward (with a context of "a b x", at /a/b/ if there is no x/ you're already at the right place) and less simple to go foward; vice-versa for the other option.
< 1319204409 265433 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least when you are literally literal.
< 1319204423 48587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, right.
< 1319204429 309845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The way I did it made it easier to go forwards.
< 1319204434 482018 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1319204434 628638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i.e. reverse-context for forwards.
< 1319204436 999740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm not sure why.
< 1319204440 108526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just... feels righter?
< 1319204455 471741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly there's a certain elegance that you go the Normal Way to go forwards and flip things around to go back.
< 1319204664 27313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I kind of want to use a reverse-context tree for both so it's more elegant, but AFAICT that would pretty much duplicate my space usage.
< 1319204686 810788 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you start with the "let's use a reverse-context tree for babble-generation" concept and then start to think "how can I make some use of this thing also for predicting text backwards", it goes more naturally like the way you were going to do it.
< 1319204694 251769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1319204698 468938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, can't I reduce
< 1319204698 778535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data RCT = Branch [(String,Int)] (Map String RCT)
< 1319204699 567642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :into
< 1319204701 576894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1319204702 368232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1319204704 512790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't I reduce
< 1319204708 230654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data RCT = Branch (Map String Int) (Map String RCT)
< 1319204709 322965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :into
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< 1319204716 80859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data RCT = Branch (Map String (Int,RCT)) | Nope
< 1319204717 270410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1319204731 672741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, there'll never be anything in the latter map without it being in the former map, no?
< 1319204741 101351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, hmm, wait, it's a /reverse/ context tree, so that doesn't necessarily hold
< 1319204744 49493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do I have it backwards. Help.
< 1319204750 265185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I really mean
< 1319204755 620137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data RCT = Branch (Map String (Int, Maybe RCT))
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< 1319204936 680585 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I guess you could combine them; though there's the fact that for the most numerous nodes that are four level deep, there will always be just Nothing in the Maybe. I suppose it doesn't matter semantically, but physically it might save space to keep the lists separate. Because of the reversedness, I'm not sure how much they share. I mean, for the n-gram list (b a x) (b a y) (c a x) (c a y) you will end up with node /a that has subnodes /a/b and /a/c, and nex
< 1319204936 827189 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :t-word list of (x, y).
< 1319204953 12475 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, I need to get going; it's the alt barty thing.
< 1319204959 613091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
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< 1319206203 212872 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, I don't think so.
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< 1319208026 47974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  You know what annoys me about Deep Space 9.   It wasn't in deep space.   It was orbiting Bajor.
< 1319208028 251686 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :689)  You know what annoys me about Deep Space 9.   It wasn't in deep space.   It was orbiting Bajor.
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< 1319210975 613758 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Phantom_Hoover had an interesting observation there
< 1319210991 311623 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I don't see the funny part of it
< 1319211007 693025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who said the qdb is just for jokes?
< 1319211033 978282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that sort of interesting observation is what xkcd is full of nowadays
< 1319211035 560955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319211037 757606 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :579)  The only happy dorf has a compassion stat of 0.   Well, 20, but it amounts to the same.
< 1319211045 841435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you
< 1319211063 159329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's better-paced than xkcd, though
< 1319211076 601179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319211077 131369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319211077 666774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319211078 161971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319211079 20769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319211080 846357 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :313)  what does coffee do to biological neural networks    what tiger blood does for charlie sheen
< 1319211083 648125 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :407)  You make a fist, shake it at the sky, and shout "why, GNU, why?!" -- that is the standard reportig practice.
< 1319211085 124058 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :159)  OK, so is conspiring to conspire to commit a crime a crime?    Let's all get together and talk about defacing public property sometime
< 1319211085 774647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually looked at very early xkcd; it isn't all that good
< 1319211093 772945 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :250) [CTCP] Received CTCP-ERRMSG reply from clog: unknown CTCP: ERRMSG.
< 1319211093 984094 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :58)  Porn.    There, see?
< 1319211096 121344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very early xkcd isn't that good but it has charm
< 1319211098 376593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the famous sudo make me a sandwich comic is pretty much the first good one, and even it's debatable
< 1319211105 922644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sweet spot is like
< 1319211110 75262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fifty in to three hundred fifty in
< 1319211111 556078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 313
< 1319211113 749213 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1319211120 428199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: agreed, I hadn't read that one yet
< 1319211124 182069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when I did it was obviously worst
< 1319211155 563029 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :123 is still my favourite.
< 1319211163 563992 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 313
< 1319211165 717199 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :313)  Phantom_Hoover: if the list is in random order, like poor ehird here
< 1319211177 278619 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 500
< 1319211179 283991 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :500)  rest in peace lambdabot????   monqy: it'll probably be back later   nap in peace
< 1319211181 428188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worst quote becomes best quote.
< 1319211189 449023 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 1000
< 1319211191 476756 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1319211197 712249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /love/ 313
< 1319211199 2962 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick, everyone, say lots of witty things.
< 1319211202 636034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 123
< 1319211204 753286 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :123)  alise: why internet is like wtf
< 1319211216 880870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that one?
< 1319211224 229565 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls
< 1319211226 135804 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom
< 1319211226 857239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fungot
< 1319211227 515165 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: since the start of the construction of a european vision, tools that are in favour of the new proposal on feed hygiene at the earliest possible opportunity and also turning to the most economically advanced countries of the union.
< 1319211229 170392 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :12)  GregorR-L: i bet only you can prevent forest fires. basically, you know. \ 16)  Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it. \ 19)  oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing
< 1319211238 245889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes fungot
< 1319211238 854962 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: mr president, may i confirm the position which was not discussed, and if not, are covered by qualified majority in order for these slight growth rates to be reduced in the same vein, it would be misleading and cannot therefore be accepted.
< 1319211240 436081 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.31357
< 1319211242 532187 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or we could just spam fungot so that he says every quotable thing there is.
< 1319211243 609236 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: very briefly, ladies and gentlemen, that in order to improve their knowledge and professional skills as well as, of course and i too found it astonishing, that there are amendments nos 12, 13 and 19 propose the continuation of equality between men and women are part of our negotiating mandate for the future of homeopathic medicine.
< 1319211251 61128 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1319211251 235845 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl* ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1319211257 298876 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... `run sort < quotes > q && mv q quotes
< 1319211258 36297 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO SET IT TO EUROPARL
< 1319211261 931131 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuck
< 1319211262 77657 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673)
< 1319211263 82047 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess that would be a bad idea
< 1319211270 705123 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: so what's this, then?
< 1319211270 946450 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: to the left is that house shape you've seen everything!
< 1319211280 270101 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: that wasn't quite as awesome as I was hoping.
< 1319211280 469196 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: so the dumbest and most far fetched but whatever.
< 1319211290 459032 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, it's produced some gems.
< 1319211293 808404 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote pumpkin
< 1319211295 961938 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :437)  The wickedest man of all.   Surpassed only in wickedness by the wicked witches of the west and east.   you talking about me again?   Yes.   k \ 532)  Phantom_Hoover: it is a hate so pure and... pumpkin seeds?
< 1319211296 177426 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yeah, I can't even tell who's supposed to be talking or anything.  Those sentences are way too short.
< 1319211296 708307 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: a place perhaps it is the human riddle that is truly the ultimate riddle. now it is my turn to the back inside cover, but it seems the john in the head of your smaller hammer from your deck is really dwindling now. maybe this game you are about to play
< 1319211312 778001 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :532 is also good for annoying copumpkin.
< 1319211313 348710 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: there, much better.
< 1319211316 976246 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fungot
< 1319211317 161623 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fungot (What I've said myself)
< 1319211322 620435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hi
< 1319211322 786774 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's what that guy in medina, a village near the mystic mountain" 65,000,000 b. c.? yes, i'd have done something very brave! he's probably up north, to guardia the xxxiii. i really enjoyed such powers... now it's nick!userhost-limited to me, and ile not wish thee more
< 1319211323 571840 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric : o.O
< 1319211337 349222 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metafungot.
< 1319211337 495975 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's just so stupid that ' stty erase h' has. you came through, which is more fnord than they just never put things into
< 1319211339 941327 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mix of ct and irc?
< 1319211341 587026 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1319211361 379444 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, right
< 1319211361 526346 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal:. i'm so kind, even to assholes! anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov
< 1319211368 300216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, indeed
< 1319211368 485537 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: uninterned symbols, pairs, procedures, and so am i just being anal here or am i misunderstanding how these were the people skills of a plane
< 1319211386 870635 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, why doesn't this cycle on this sword alone?
< 1319211387 164987 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help
< 1319211387 365166 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def   ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
< 1319211393 223158 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it might?
< 1319211401 915878 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, can this sword alone stop?
< 1319211402 62821 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube
< 1319211405 517174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :just we haven't hit it yet
< 1319211424 807845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it just spit out a style listing from the fungot style?
< 1319211424 954645 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i know i didn't know that you've already asked, but then i need to enter " qemu" to edit is the ordinary ( for call/ cc))) hangs
< 1319211425 466781 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1319211434 366713 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how often do you update the fungot style?
< 1319211434 532976 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's just so stupid that ' stty erase h' has to be all " pow!" and he was suddenly i rose, put up her mouth, pulled down by the gold saucer... think his name was close ever, and yet, at least, that is expressions which have not been able, to assume responsibilities. he went on, " the conclusion is, then thou, the greatest soldier, de. she wanna be friends, his state vsurp'd, his realme a slaughter-house, his subjects, t
< 1319211457 30493 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I guess you could get some boring feedback loops that way
< 1319211459 978910 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, as often as the rest of the styles, I assume.
< 1319211472 250597 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't, really. Unless someone tells me to.
< 1319211478 312261 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, there is no obvious reason to update styles that don't change. Like ct or ic
< 1319211503 683972 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is it possible for fungot style to enter the sword cycle?
< 1319211503 830625 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp
< 1319211532 404725 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc you had some perl script to check such
< 1319211544 716134 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Probably, though I haven't checked.
< 1319211597 631526 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1319211597 817090 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl* ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1319211610 186815 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :who switched?
< 1319211615 197422 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1319211627 416308 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ss
< 1319211627 562988 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ss (Shakespeare's writings)
< 1319211628 900827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why in /msg instead of in channel
< 1319211642 637219 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make it a Sekret.
< 1319211649 347125 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ./testlm-disk.pl data/tokens.bin.fungot data/model.bin.fungot 1 sword alone
< 1319211649 493968 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop, crono! crono...! there it is! but by the time we're through with you, you'll be in danger that a major debate will be held in new york is a very important relevant for this page? tried toggling hardware/ software flow control on and off, etc
< 1319211650 947500 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: bushie. more welcome is the stroake of death to gaze vpon these secrets of the state, and vsurpe the beggerie hee was neuer borne to: lord angelo is seuere law: i had as liue haue a reede that will doe me no seruice, as a cat laps milke, they'l tell the clocke, and in your anger, did i not by fnord of your old-fac'd walles, can hide you from our court
< 1319211651 272501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, who is switching style outside of the channel? Can't you see from the logs of it?
< 1319211679 292352 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've kind of implied who switched it.
< 1319211687 144004 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you
< 1319211699 375567 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I don't log.
< 1319211718 192438 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can only see last screenful.
< 1319211737 459648 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, and the screen backscroll buffer.
< 1319212008 376572 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319212200 417448 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_grand_stellated_120-cell
< 1319212306 388662 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can stick that in your great cubicuboctahedron and smoke it, CakeProphet.
< 1319212321 389078 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-23.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319212605 328892 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → crappier part of Ireland.

< 1319212607 207745 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1319212855 408200 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The non-Internetted parts, it seems.
< 1319212995 661346 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319213596 24389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, I think I need a: zipper.
< 1319213633 738390 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319213643 218330 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1319213655 338950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Ngevd.
< 1319213700 571051 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woah
< 1319213725 329241 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IWC is in the eighth day of its guest week
< 1319213740 882530 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Andrew Hussie is at 96% of the 25/10 update
< 1319213751 244163 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And someone said hi to me!
< 1319213770 888878 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd believes that he is loved for a single, sweet moment.
< 1319213996 705466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> inits [0,9,9]
< 1319213997 577822 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[],[0],[0,9],[0,9,9]]
< 1319214009 107142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> inits []
< 1319214009 938440 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[]]
< 1319214017 708987 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1319214382 259101 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-208-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jebus. Median pay in the US is $26k.
< 1319214413 93525 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::?
< 1319214420 997945 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mean?
< 1319214428 153071 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-208-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mean is $38k.
< 1319214432 885277 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :::::?
< 1319214449 337333 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The... interquartile range?
< 1319214452 940238 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-208-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno.
< 1319214727 267132 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The... geometric mean?
< 1319215194 945632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1319215207 183528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an efficient way to do
< 1319215210 573909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :map reverse (inits xs)
< 1319215213 467974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/but/
< 1319215218 102824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of xs you can also use xs'
< 1319215219 774106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which == reverse xs
< 1319215232 916900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with no computational cost0
< 1319215233 750028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1319215240 653084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> tails [9,9,0]
< 1319215241 612316 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[9,9,0],[9,0],[0],[]]
< 1319215248 157000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reverse (tails [9,9,0])
< 1319215248 985430 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[],[0],[9,0],[9,9,0]]
< 1319215252 588939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map reverse (inits [0,9,9])
< 1319215253 536236 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[],[0],[9,0],[9,9,0]]
< 1319215261 639130 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congratulations!
< 1319215268 820916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not "efficient" :P
< 1319215285 994366 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :tails is pretty efficient
< 1319215289 287776 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you care about the reverse?
< 1319215304 637417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : what's an efficient way to do
< 1319215304 784012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : map reverse (inits xs)
< 1319215304 930771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : /but/
< 1319215304 930858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : instead of xs you can also use xs'
< 1319215304 930903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : which == reverse xs
< 1319215305 622188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (with no computational cost0
< 1319215307 638134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : )
< 1319215309 715586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1319215319 390263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse (tails xs')
< 1319215323 356537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and map reverse (inits xs)
< 1319215324 651446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :both work
< 1319215328 745432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but preferably something without reverse at all
< 1319215333 538051 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1319215336 994464 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1319215348 427813 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the order it produces results in
< 1319215348 731633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'(
< 1319215353 204724 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd need to look at the end of the list
< 1319215363 141531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: this is actually a trick question, my list is a literal and has five elements
< 1319215367 854552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll just write out the result manually
< 1319215370 58686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION graph reducer

< 1319215371 136647 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1319215372 444225 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1319215450 149420 :nooga!~nooga@87-205-71-203.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319215841 643425 :nooga!~nooga@87-205-71-203.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1319215875 519758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Wait, I've gone dumb suddenly.
< 1319215898 792035 :nooga!~nooga@87-205-71-203.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319215922 693220 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure the proper verb is "gone"? (Sorry.)
< 1319215939 11486 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm at this thing, I'm not really here.
< 1319215954 924763 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be "became"
< 1319215968 407994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes but but but but but
< 1319216080 383929 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Butane.
< 1319216116 919536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Surely a context tree would be better than a reverse context tree for babbling, as you'd just descend a node whenever you appended to the output?
< 1319216227 984739 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nnnnno, because the tree only goes five levels deep. Though you could, I suppose, theoretically have some sort of a loopy graph.
< 1319216268 571862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, hmm, right. How does it being reversed actually help at all, then?
< 1319216303 598852 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point of the reverse context thing is that when you have a context of "... a b c d e", you don't need to know how long a context you can actually find in your model. You just start with /e, and then descend to /e/d, and to /e/d/c, and then stop if you can't find new subnodes.
< 1319216333 621123 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas with a trie you'd first try to find /b/c/d/e; but if that doesn't exist, you'd have a new search for /c/d/e; and then /d/e; and /e; and finally /.
< 1319216353 521434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hmm, right.
< 1319216379 628949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm still rather sceptical of how much use anything but the full thing will get since I'm not crunching the model at all :-)
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< 1319216442 886624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi pagnol
< 1319216443 977233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome
< 1319216445 860561 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1319216457 261358 :pagnol!pagnol@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1319216461 475623 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make some statistics when you're babbling. It'll be a nonzero amount in any case with the filtered 'grams. (Might be nonzero with the "complete" model too, but I can't be bothered to think through that right now.)
< 1319216481 728049 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the reverse-tree is nicely usable with variable-length 'grams, you don't have to start looking with a max(length(grams))-1 of context.
< 1319216502 660355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Right.
< 1319216509 858119 :pagnol!pagnol@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm browsing the list of languages and wondering which one to learn (or attempt to do so)
< 1319216517 598639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload
< 1319216519 788349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1319216535 896264 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload is good yes
< 1319216537 961620 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:aSS):aSS
< 1319216538 108533 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:aSS):aSS
< 1319216542 802701 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The quinest thing.
< 1319216544 871363 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :&simple
< 1319216569 963073 :pagnol!pagnol@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and appears to be well-documented, I appreciate that
< 1319216572 731000 :nooga!~nooga@87-205-71-203.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1319216573 265380 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the simplicity helps it be good (simple is good (do not think otherwise (that would be a mistake (many people have made this mistake (dont
< 1319216580 473585 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(im not going to close these (suffer
< 1319216624 343328 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry,
< 1319216624 574556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :)))))))
< 1319216625 725819 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (aS(:^)S):^
< 1319216625 872727 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aS(:^)S):^
< 1319216638 8826 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Accidentally a dirty word earlier.)
< 1319216643 447233 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aSS
< 1319217049 869918 :pagnol!pagnol@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's so great about Underload?
< 1319217062 695308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nice
< 1319217073 446753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and quite functional
< 1319217077 451998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you do loops by quining, in a sense
< 1319217090 593231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet it still allows for pretty short, elegant programs
< 1319217209 754052 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319217238 625390 :pagnol!pagnol@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know of a language that draws on logic, though in an unusual fashion, perhaps? like Prolog but esoteric
< 1319217255 967924 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Astronauts Michael Collins, Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong had to go through US Customs to come back from the moon."
< 1319217265 621072 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!
< 1319217272 448615 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that.
< 1319217301 477381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No, they didn't.
< 1319217304 595320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They filled in the forms for a laugh.
< 1319217312 64524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The forms are real but not required.)
< 1319217323 436492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pagnol: ask ais523 about Proud :-P
< 1319217328 737647 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just quotin' :P
< 1319217350 119565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pagnol: Proud isn't really practical, unfortunately; it allows doing things like quantifying over functions, etc
< 1319217358 918065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically just "Prolog with no restrictions, even if they're really necessary"
< 1319217374 555571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, using nondeterminism in the NFA sense, rather than backtracking
< 1319217380 325047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't worked out the details
< 1319217433 569518 :pagnol!pagnol@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needn't be practical
< 1319217449 120856 :pagnol!pagnol@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no entry in the list ...
< 1319217625 89838 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-23.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: take carezz
< 1319218083 229913 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is function quantification?
< 1319218193 875909 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319218345 189736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: basically, describing a function in terms of contraints
< 1319218352 626845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and having the program iterate over /all functions/ to find the one you want
< 1319218363 575720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proud doesn't really have the details worked out, which is why it isn't online
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< 1319219900 942689 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: does there exist a Haskell indent?
< 1319219908 927096 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1319219913 595802 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1319219947 509059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yes, it's called emacs; you can also do something with haskell-src-extras (it retains comments) if you really want
< 1319219954 24297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6870148/is-there-a-haskell-code-formatter http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/j31f4/is_there_a_haskell_code_formatter/ for more info
< 1319220457 46180 :pagnol!pagnol@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone partake in the ai-class.com?
< 1319220945 849304 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently not
< 1319221015 909226 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just managed to type "Twitter" instead of "IRC"
< 1319221818 729279 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have trying to make logic stuff in Haskell, and have come up with the contrapositive rule and double negation rule being:  doubleNot = flip id; contrapositive = flip (.);
< 1319221952 380896 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it correctly?
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< 1319223485 730094 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011 is proving a good year for Taneb-made esoteric programming languages
< 1319223769 194204 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, 2011 is proving to be the only year for Taneb-made esoteric programming languages
< 1319224312 909283 :pagnol!pagnol@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's Taneb?
< 1319224320 239460 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me
< 1319224323 738157 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 NICK :Taneb
< 1319224324 837885 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See
< 1319224933 229266 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creator of Nandypants, Numberwang, MIBBLLII, Luigi, Brook, and Constantinople
< 1319224968 910552 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-21-30.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319224973 365851 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have implemented Constantinople, although I did not invent Constantinople. But I did make a suggestion for Constantinople because there was something wrong with it.
< 1319224984 661924 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I am thankful for
< 1319225038 274246 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You are thankful for there being something wrong with it?
< 1319225052 237820 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the suggestion and the implementation
< 1319225123 303110 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, the implementation I made is not perfect because it does not do bitwise I/O. Later I might fix that, or someone else might fix that. (Would you expect it to work perfectly even though it is the first program I wrote in Haskell?)
< 1319225140 572739 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would not
< 1319225152 925074 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I am glad someone made it
< 1319225165 795817 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1319225179 881346 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, that compiler made me happy
< 1319225182 370179 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks :)
< 1319225482 221582 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are two esolangs that I did not make but that I did make the first public implementation. How many is it the case that in general, the first public implementation was written by someone other than whoever invented that esolang?
< 1319225497 211878 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd imagine a large number
< 1319225640 986301 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to make a class in Haskell for making classical logic.
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< 1319225670 313017 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Zero; type Not x = x -> Zero; class Classical x where { contradiction :: Zero -> x; lem :: Either x (Not x); };
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< 1319225686 958090 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Classical Zero where { contradiction = id; lem = Right id; };
< 1319225701 996467 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Classical () where { contradiction = const (); lem = Left (); };
< 1319225716 148390 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Classical x => Classical (Not x) where { contradiction = const; lem = either (Right . doubleNot) Left lem; };
< 1319225730 471531 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this correct? Is there some mistake?
< 1319225748 755523 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know enough of classical logic to tell you, I'm afraid
< 1319226080 894409 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :GTA IV has a most amusing glitch. If you slowly back up against a swing your vehicle will be flung into the air with tremendous speed. Often making you fly right *over* a skyscraper and landing you several hundred meters away.
< 1319226099 66858 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He
< 1319226099 689091 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sounds very Stunts-y.
< 1319226100 108519 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :h
< 1319226109 547310 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, was that a pun?
< 1319226126 686375 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not that I know of.
< 1319226174 337857 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Stunts" game had quite a few "fly up to the ceiling of the sky" glitches.
< 1319226232 791919 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, sometimes it just throw you a few meters up in the air. Not very predictable
< 1319226251 80928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That works in real life too.
< 1319226264 192116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you disagree, I question whether you've ever tried.
< 1319226280 11981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1319226283 210173 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that sounds almost like religion
< 1319226312 483349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yes, but I don't see Christians flying over skyscrapers like total badasses, do you?
< 1319226344 477877 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sikhs do
< 1319226384 972582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319226526 253027 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you jump a car from a ramp and hit the wall of a building, in midair, you tend to get ejected up and fly to the sky-ceiling, then slowly slide at that height to one corner of the world; then you land, make a complicated spinning-around thing for a while, and then explode.
< 1319226536 810990 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also probably works in real life?
< 1319226543 422471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I do that a lot.
< 1319226621 237220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  If you jump a car from a ramp and hit the wall of a building, in midair, you tend to get ejected up and fly to the sky-ceiling, then slowly slide at that height to one corner of the world; then you land, make a complicated spinning-around thing for a while, and then explode.   Also probably works in real life?
< 1319226623 444593 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :689)  If you jump a car from a ramp and hit the wall of a building, in midair, you tend to get ejected up and fly to the sky-ceiling, then slowly slide at that height to one corner of the world; then you land, make a complicated spinning-around thing for a while, and then explode.   Also probably works in real life?
< 1319226929 893615 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is that in GTA IV too?
< 1319227253 445043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it severely deforms the car on launch
< 1319227328 274056 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example I drove a "Patriot" (basically the game's rendition of a Hummer) that I flew like this. It ended up deformed enough that the roof intersected with the driver's head. No ill effects noticed. Still fully drivable.
< 1319227353 351086 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, elliott ^
< 1319227353 615834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : also it severely deforms the car on launch <-- relativistically correct, hm?
< 1319227397 960338 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I implemented double negation elimination by:  undoubleNot :: Classical p => Not (Not p) -> p; undoubleNot x = either id (explosion . flip (,) x) lem;
< 1319227410 556585 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no, as in the metal being really bent
< 1319227417 882949 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it correct?
< 1319227431 647075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to tell
< 1319227454 395456 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that the scenario is so unrealistic
< 1319227471 920839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_>
< 1319227547 147544 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
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< 1319227621 981196 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38.
< 1319227636 879314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: your contradiction shouldn't need to be a method, it's intuitionistically correct
< 1319227637 137550 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :undoubleNot :: Classical p => Not (Not p) -> p; undoubleNot (Not (Not p)) = p
< 1319227648 117918 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't do that?
< 1319227668 895738 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: There is no constructor "Not"
< 1319227687 191146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t case ?z of {} -> ?x
< 1319227688 32404 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `}'
< 1319227706 503566 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes I found that on Wikipedia
< 1319227714 70757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except haskell doesn't support empty case
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< 1319228142 765100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can't you write undoubleNot x = either id (contradiction . ($ x)) lem  ?
< 1319228202 332276 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seem to be wrong type
< 1319228297 55641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait duh
< 1319228331 167517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :make that undoubleNot x = either id (contradiction . x) lem  ?
< 1319228429 227820 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK that appears to work.
< 1319228430 227920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then is explosion (y,x) = contradiction (x y)
< 1319228440 472123 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes.
< 1319228525 106235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks good, then
< 1319228534 841052 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it works now.
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< 1319232895 808349 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, it was from Stunts.
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< 1319233858 12562 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Stunts being?
< 1319233866 109817 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from a feature of some movies
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< 1319233950 966274 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : The "Stunts" game had quite a few "fly up to the ceiling of the sky" glitches.
< 1319233954 494633 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said, a game.
< 1319233961 713769 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1319233975 671970 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Stunts (also known as 4D Sports Driving) is an early 3D racing video game developed by Distinctive Software, Inc.. The game places emphasis on racing on stunt tracks and features a track editor, it is clearly influenced by the earlier arcade game Hard Drivin' and has many similar elements to the game Stunt Driver which was released around the same time."
< 1319233983 616848 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :From 1990; MS-DOS and Amiga.
< 1319233986 782200 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319233996 653601 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :3D back then?
< 1319234006 396699 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure.
< 1319234013 661687 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Several polygons at the same time.
< 1319234045 728527 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ibiblio.org/GameBytes/issue20/misc/stunts1.gif
< 1319234048 524175 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like that.
< 1319234053 809017 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Severely limited by graphics memory bandwidth on PCs that time.
< 1319234065 772893 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even transparency. (By stippling, but still.)
< 1319234074 716477 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ended up playing it in CGA mode on a 386 with an 8-bit VGA board.
< 1319234108 315484 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :danieldanieldani
< 1319234122 577452 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ibiblio.org/GameBytes/issue20/misc/stunts.html "There's nothing extremely exciting about that, except the amazing things that can happen as you crash! Do not be surprised if you find your car soaring _hundreds_ of meters above the ground! Sometimes before a crash, sometimes after, but don't ever expect to survive such a fall! And there is nothing like going vertical in a F1 racing car to add some thrill to you spill! It's all part of the fun. "
< 1319234131 862020 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, with the right hardware VGA mode was playable (read: 0-WS, 16-bit ET4000 based VGA card)
< 1319234132 353477 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The physics bugs were among the best things in it.
< 1319234146 430793 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a Tseng Labs ET-something card.
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< 1319234179 770418 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :posix.c:9:31: fatal error: readline/readline.h: No such file or directory compilation terminated.
< 1319234194 293053 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :apt-get install libreadline-dev ?
< 1319234206 483921 :danieldanieldani!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin
< 1319234218 964338 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very good at this
< 1319234253 911522 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: If your system is debian-based, try the command I quoted (as root, on Ubuntu, prefix with sudo) to fix the problem.
< 1319234263 675005 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, Stunts also recorded replays, so you could save the most ludicrous crashes.
< 1319234290 259417 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problems solved, 2/3
< 1319234325 65819 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there was a workaround for the feature that if you continued from not-the-end of a reply you can't get a high score (i.e. rollback after a crash is deemed as cheating)
< 1319234335 447492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, awesome
< 1319234350 859341 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it was saving to different replay files in regular intervals.
< 1319234365 980648 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you could contine at the end of the "last known good" file.
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< 1319234506 257571 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, http://images.wikia.com/gtawiki/images/c/c8/DF8toobad00.jpg
< 1319234516 288967 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, green arrow points at launch point
< 1319234582 385732 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.wikia.com/gtawiki/images/f/f1/Swing_glitch_%28GTA4%29_%28catapult%29.jpg  [[ A glitched swing in action, moments after hurling the player and their car into the air. Notice the "agitated" leg of the swing slamming on the ground and cracking it, illustrating the tremendous force it possesses. ]]
< 1319234604 284917 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I noticed the ground breaking around them constantly
< 1319234632 915378 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rrrealism.
< 1319234661 190697 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the law of energy conservation has obviously deemed invalid by the high court...
< 1319234672 69200 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319234781 7449 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used the built in cheats (accessed by dialling a number on the in game cell phone) to spawn a Jetamax (speed boat) on top of one next to a skyscraper. It flew almost straight up until I lost sight of it. Half a minute later it landed on top of the skyscraper. Sadly I did not manager to enter the boat in time to watch this from first person view.
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< 1319235018 76484 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand why the car doesn't explode in that video after the jump.
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< 1319235030 44222 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually it did...
< 1319235087 260929 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to my experience, you should not even survive at 0:55
< 1319235088 505267 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMAnnj25Kfg <- that's slightly more what I remember.
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< 1319235159 685937 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh. He actually survived that? In the first video
< 1319235172 536068 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently. I mostly recall things exploding.
< 1319235222 224657 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, the second video looks quite familiar to me. Although I usually cancelled instead of watching 2 minutes of flight.
< 1319235279 814175 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was no explosion in it
< 1319235323 423767 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second wasn't all that high though, it didn't even hit the ceiling.
< 1319235413 279138 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319235434 908315 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :another fun thing in GTA IV. In star junction (in the first unlockable area), if you fire a rocket launcher at a specific place synced with the traffic light pattern you can get a serial explosion that takes ages to stop because new cars keep arriving just in time to get blown up
< 1319235436 880156 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 5-10 minutes of watching explosions before it dies out
< 1319235527 496743 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYlKFtu7RNY if you want to see the boom in Stunts.
< 1319235542 771767 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would I not? :D
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< 1319235580 606770 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very impressive explosion
< 1319235780 63903 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's good since it's made for computers weaker than pentium 1" (YouTube)
< 1319235792 73348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = cos x in x :: CReal -- i wonder if this works...
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< 1319235803 574577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
< 1319235883 604624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = 1 + 1/x in x :: CReal -- i wonder if this works...
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< 1319235991 358668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle CReal
< 1319235991 531316 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found
< 1319235995 121289 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Did I miss some news that Haskell now contains a numeric fix-point solver?
< 1319236025 710172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but if you could only get it _started_, wouldn't laziness take care of the rest.
< 1319236043 53601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just not sure how to get it started.
< 1319236115 237960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit google removed the + prefix
< 1319236141 657022 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :double-quote terms to force them to be included as-is.
< 1319236176 900572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it said at much.  except i'm _sure_ that failed once recently for a multi-word phrase, so i had to use +"..."
< 1319236182 310994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*as much
< 1319236259 270565 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was surprised by google staring to interpret 'bad-luck' not as strict as '"bad luck"' (single quotes for demonstration only, double quotes as entered)
< 1319236276 434512 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to use the hyphen as shorcut for multi-word searches.
< 1319236282 452202 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which worked till around 2006
< 1319236283 408251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too
< 1319236296 584280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait
< 1319236305 347983 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Maybe you should try ""thing with multiple words"" next.
< 1319236348 112103 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : dammit google removed the + prefix <-- they what...
< 1319236355 397863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1319236359 365340 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, why?!
< 1319236373 363599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because google is evil, obviously.
< 1319236379 628408 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, use DDG
< 1319236392 786443 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, elliott recommended it to me.
< 1319236394 44858 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://duckduckgo.com/
< 1319236408 355145 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :When google started in the late 90s, one of their big advantages was you don't have to use plus on all the terms to get relevant results...
< 1319236425 246417 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you won't even need + in the first place most of the time with it
< 1319236582 928360 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle [x] -> [(x,x)]
< 1319236583 62087 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test.QuickCheck two :: Monad m => m a -> m (a, a)
< 1319236583 355490 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude zip :: [a] -> [b] -> [(a, b)]
< 1319236583 427954 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List zip :: [a] -> [b] -> [(a, b)]
< 1319236619 660577 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was looking for \x -> zip x (tail x)

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< 1319236636 671710 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?quote aztec
< 1319236636 892112 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quicksilver says: zip`ap`tail - the Aztec god of consecutive numbers
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< 1319236707 151258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = cos x `max` 0.6 `min` 0.8 in x :: CReal -- lessee...
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< 1319236713 108648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1319236743 617610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = cos x `max` 0.7 `min` 0.8 in x
< 1319236747 209881 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1319236788 482975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1319236828 456833 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let findfp f s = fst $ head $ dropWhile (uncurry (/=)) $ (\x -> zip x $ tail x) $ iterate f s in (\x -> 1+1/x) `findfp` 1
< 1319236829 213419 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1.618033988749895
< 1319236842 405106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :twice11: good old zip`ap`tail
< 1319237102 645036 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nice. That's in the reader monad, if I understand it correctly...
< 1319237112 460420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
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< 1319237328 878497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell putStrLn "I'm feeling better."
< 1319237335 775382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not.
< 1319237346 545099 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t zip`ap`tail
< 1319237348 42205 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b. [b] -> [(b, b)]
< 1319237357 387611 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
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< 1319237377 498117 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ap
< 1319237378 692040 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a b. (Monad m) => m (a -> b) -> m a -> m b
< 1319237382 636067 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, that one
< 1319237391 834058 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't in Prelude is it?
< 1319237397 222464 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad
< 1319237399 992684 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1319237406 785754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ghci
< 1319237406 974185 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHCi, version 6.12.1: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/  :? for help
< 1319237414 156597 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing elliott isn't here
< 1319237423 976756 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had to look for it, first suspected it in Control.Applicative.
< 1319237445 28662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative and Monad are still not unified.
< 1319237464 697362 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad.ap = (Control.Applicative.<*>)
< 1319237475 863587 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For reasonable Monad/Applicative instances)
< 1319237481 541638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am somewhat worried about this upcoming syntax i see thrown around which puts superclass defaults for a subclass _in the superclass_
< 1319237508 845598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems the wrong way to do it for making things extensible
< 1319237518 927491 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1319237557 574044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and Num is still unified (several times I wanted, say (+) or (*) without implementing signum or abs)
< 1319237571 622774 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read in LYAH that Monad is now a subclass of Applicative, but ghc 7.0.4 doesn't seem to know it...
< 1319237592 60077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :twice11: alas, only in spirit
< 1319237592 132598 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you want (*) and (+) and (-) on Vectors. But abs is completely different for a vector. It is the length of it
< 1319237611 474146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (*) doesn't even have the right type for Vectors.
< 1319237623 574698 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want * between vectors, or do you mean scalar or vector product?
< 1319237623 788044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well for the cross product maybe?
< 1319237634 100702 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no, not for scalar
< 1319237647 189096 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, point is, Num contains too much
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< 1319237654 730106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cross product only works for a few dimensions :/
< 1319237661 370955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, there is that too
< 1319237685 888634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I never understood why it only work for certain dimensionalities
< 1319237744 190377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because the cross product is in _spirit_ not from vectors to vectors, but from vectors to antisymmetric 2-forms
< 1319237754 672749 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1319237758 477608 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1319237770 569249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only for a few dimensions is there a nice embedding from 2-forms to vectors
< 1319237800 613190 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what is a 2-form?
< 1319237805 537880 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never heard the word before
< 1319237818 717215 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-230-59.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319237834 41668 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-105.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1319237843 231219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_form
< 1319237899 346437 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that
< 1319237904 619673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_form#Wedge_product is iirc the generalization of cross product
< 1319237912 613363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so integrals tie into vectors? How weird
< 1319237937 52009 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Algebra and analysis seem so different on the surface, yet they are deeply connected.
< 1319237939 154162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to integrate over multidimensional spaces, they do
< 1319237985 782077 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I have a course in doing that atm
< 1319238034 3491 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is quite complicated sometimes
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< 1319238180 867221 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, night
< 1319238190 252644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1319238497 222223 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1319238506 941979 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude
< 1319238864 514445 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319240254 510377 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db41480.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319244059 780676 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god template haskell
< 1319244060 876832 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3<3<3
< 1319244828 864114 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Template Haskell is good idea. Although, some improvements could be made, and it cannot do all things, such as, you might want some different kind of macro, so that you can make something like a polymorphic polymorphic function, as opposed to only normal polymorphic functions.
< 1319244883 382891 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is how I proved Peirce's law in Haskell:
< 1319244888 159388 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :peirce :: (Classical p, Classical q) => ((p -> q) -> p) -> p;
< 1319244917 223162 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :peirce = unswitcheroo . contrapositive .> mapR (contrapositive switcheroo') .> mapR (map1 undoubleNot . undeMorgan) .> mapL ((,) ()) .> either snd fst;
< 1319245042 97237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1319245080 693000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any instance (Classical p, Classical q) => Classical (p -> q) ? i'm not sure if one should be possible
< 1319245113 772671 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I do but I did not write the methods yet. That is what I try to do.
< 1319245153 528837 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Specifically, I don't know how to write the law of excluded middle for (x -> y) or (x, y) or (Either x y))
< 1319245156 988456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Classical p  is equivalent to having the axiom p \/ not p.  hm.
< 1319245179 367857 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, that is what I did.
< 1319245201 329890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have y, then you have x -> y.  so the question is, what if you don't have y.
< 1319245211 528614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, you have not y.
< 1319245239 245593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then you have (x -> y) -> not x, i think
< 1319245270 409415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have x, then it gives you a contradiction.
< 1319245276 620141 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At first I write the instance for (Not x) separately but it is really a specific of the (x -> y) instance, so I commented out (and will later remove) the (Not x) instance.
< 1319245279 208709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you have not x, and not y, what then
< 1319245425 970294 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes those are the things I was trying to think of!
< 1319245537 431232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lem = case (lem, lem) of (_, Left y) -> Left (const y); ...
< 1319245677 26843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Right nx, _) -> Left (contradiction . nx);
< 1319245727 508935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what of (Left x, Right ny) -> ...
< 1319245743 350876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319245787 522854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Left x, Right ny) -> Right (ny . ($ x))
< 1319245793 191439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it, i think
< 1319245865 75565 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, thanks, that worked.
< 1319245915 545955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for (x,y), hm
< 1319246005 592623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Right nx, _) -> Right (nx . fst); (_, Right ny) -> Right (ny . snd); (Left x, Left y) -> Left (x,y)
< 1319246081 191732 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that worked.
< 1319246093 554080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i try Either as well?
< 1319246102 161959 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should think so.
< 1319246166 850170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Left x, _) -> Left (Left x); (_, Left y) -> Left (Right y); (Right nx, Right ny) -> Right (either nx ny)
< 1319246205 443881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit confusing, that one :P
< 1319246221 415415 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is, but the compiler accepts it.
< 1319246484 925206 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of explanation should I write on these things?
< 1319246556 975110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well essentially this is dividing up according to the boolean truth table of the operations, somewhat...
< 1319247644 727332 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have made up a way of making classical logic in Haskell which is completely different from all other ways that other people have made up before that I know of.
< 1319248154 305369 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the non-program part of this Haskell program, I have already used three different accent-mark/special-letters.
< 1319248241 802822 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Specifically, \O, \"o, and \=o.)
< 1319248272 854673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\O ? are you crediting me? :P
< 1319248308 253482 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, for the part where you help me to make up the lem of some of the instances.
< 1319248334 401041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is \=o again
< 1319248335 438639 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-48.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319248345 297157 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is o with macron or "bar"
< 1319248364 717947 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-230-59.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1319248430 628600 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Specifically, I was referencing "Ganto's theorem", on page 189 of Hofstadter's book)
< 1319248443 340414 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And, of course, \"o is for the title of that book.)
< 1319248472 834580 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of them are form of letter O, as it is turning out!!
< 1319248498 955358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1319248522 997893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you could sneak in a mention of Erd\Ho s as well...
< 1319248529 957859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(iirc)
< 1319248619 131473 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I believe that is the correct spelling of his name (well, you need {Erd\H os} so that \H is one word by itself), but I don't seem to have something related to his things in this program, as far as I can tell.
< 1319248639 174100 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What I mean by \H is one "word" is it is one control word)
< 1319248707 183976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1319249606 802611 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319249619 596533 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Derp, joined ther wrong channel
< 1319250332 574925 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nub
< 1319250337 494346 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my new car
< 1319250338 793592 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is awesome.
< 1319250354 435630 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it needs some maintenance, but it runs which immediately makes it awesome.
< 1319250362 15300 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :1998 3.0L V6 Honda Accord.
< 1319250435 930407 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-74.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319250439 440482 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-48.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319251639 15800 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a version 6 honda "accord" ... is that x86 compatible?
< 1319252180 919658 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319252345 648363 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discard the notions of things changing/evolving in time, and then you can know the secret of time travel.
< 1319253460 15511 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :The secret of time travel is throwing yourself at the future and missing.
< 1319253564 767165 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319253698 938371 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: uh
< 1319253708 962384 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that refers to a V engine.
< 1319253722 89236 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_engine
< 1319253803 334950 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: that doesn't seem turing complete at all
< 1319253805 832556 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of the most compact engine layouts. Straight (aka inline) engines tend to be lengthier.
< 1319253851 302282 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, so it makes for more compact code? or just the engine that's more compact, and the code ends up larger?
< 1319253905 882608 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not Turing complete, but it's much better at generating power/torque than puny computers.
< 1319253975 771321 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, computers don't generally need to move stuff, just calculate it, so I don't see where that torque would be going
< 1319254030 205515 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and that is the difference between cars and computer
< 1319254034 476057 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, no I meant to say:
< 1319254053 554942 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lololol compraring cars 2 comptuters so clevr"
< 1319254081 441797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey physics is equivalent to information theory anyway
< 1319254083 202588 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :comparing cars and computers? but the cars are stored in the computers ...
< 1319254120 75123 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. stop.
< 1319254193 506348 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1319254198 568909 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow my lab professor doesn't even bother to compile the driver code to ensure it works.
< 1319254683 475342 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how so?
< 1319254691 535429 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean that information theory is based on physics?
< 1319254741 136457 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would engine displacement translate to information?
< 1319255159 710049 :pagnol!pagnol@141.30.241.116 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1319255951 370138 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :engine displacement information
< 1319256079 57397 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically they're equivalent in that information theory can simulate physics with... physics information?
< 1319256126 655825 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and physics can simulate information with information physics
< 1319256152 218718 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought information theory used countable bits... doesn't physics specifically not use countable things?
< 1319256155 224058 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, wait
< 1319256155 747727 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind.
< 1319256173 419189 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot about those things called particles.
< 1319256238 221197 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds it entirely silly that Java has a new keyword.

< 1319256263 401915 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the only use I see it serving
< 1319256274 331853 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that it disambiguates the construction of arrays.
< 1319256288 191575 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :new Object[10000]
< 1319256309 311949 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I don't really think that's ambiguous
< 1319256310 851736 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that
< 1319256324 250600 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Object[] arr = Object[10000]
< 1319256326 20593 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks weird.
< 1319256408 873468 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wehres the key word
< 1319256448 254339 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying it's not needed...
< 1319256467 376518 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hats hte keyworddw
< 1319256495 555954 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C++ it's needed to distinguish between heap allocation and... ephemeral object constructor things.
< 1319256520 565433 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Java doesn't have that distinction, so...
< 1319256523 73572 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it there?
< 1319256578 66196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : do you mean that information theory is based on physics? <-- the other way as well
< 1319256603 58596 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, equivalence. :P
< 1319258166 520741 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1319258621 336493 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is superstring theories science or is it mathematics?
< 1319259169 815824 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone play df?
< 1319259173 926295 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the latest version of dwarf therapist
< 1319260740 343640 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319261546 925325 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the physical universe have any lazy I/O?
< 1319261856 349511 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that question has any meaning in that context.
< 1319261919 741686 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :laziness is a property of the evaluation semantics of a programming language. Also, I'm not entirely sure what input/output would mean in the physical universe.
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< 1319262448 40998 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep
< 1319262909 669204 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I don't know either; I just thought about it for philosophical reasons.
< 1319263604 78104 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And anyways, I do not think that lazy evaluation is exactly the same things as lazy I/O, anyways.
< 1319264178 831156 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1319264251 138450 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1319264346 577751 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1319264855 994791 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319265170 588477 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319265259 450729 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morning
< 1319265375 848827 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319265581 189177 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that in Australia everyone is a fervent royalist except for the politicians
< 1319265908 623414 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 1997 the AA Newsletter Transit invited astrologers to submit "articles of up to 3000 words which put forward a case for, and demonstrate, the Truth of Astrology -- whatever that may mean to the author". The results show how illogical everyone is in answering these questions. The winner looked at his own chart in advance, and predicted that he wouldn't win (he was wrong). Some responses are better than others, but none actually prove its trut
< 1319265923 14063 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mankind questions everything. Skeptics challenge astrology because it has no obvious explanation. But there is no explanation of man's evolution, or of gravity, or of genes. They just are. The same with astrology. It is true because it exists."
< 1319265946 563428 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1319265949 184430 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nobody has come up with a sure proof of astrology, otherwise we would know about it via the Astrological Journal if not the BBC. Its truth lies in its symbols and meaning. But we cannot know in advance which of countless possible meanings will apply, so the truth of astrology lies at a deeper level: Mars in Cancer is always Mars in Cancer."
< 1319266034 62743 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemony cheese is always lemony cheese
< 1319266136 321333 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One entry said that truth and facts are not the same thing (fact = it is raining, truth = what really lies behind that fact (such as clouds, gods, or whatever)). "Astrological truth is not like logical truth, such as if A=B and B=C then A=C. ... But like any language, astrology can describe truths." [but you can lie in any language as well! Worse, not everyone agrees on the language of astrology meaning. What is the use of language if nobody ca
< 1319266209 862871 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Astrology is proved every time we read charts for clients. If it were false we would not have clients. Researchers look at isolated factors so no wonder their results are negative. ... However, the multiple meanings of astrological symbols means that these things cannot be predicted in advance. Once the life has been lived we see how the chart fits like a glove."
< 1319266232 389215 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Actually any chart's interpretations will fit; even the wrong one.]
< 1319266332 503152 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the entrants used astrology to prove that astrology must prove itself.
< 1319266482 778940 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319266505 262911 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319266535 692416 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you want proof of astrology, use the same proof that applies to religion or painting or music, not to science"
< 1319266550 793638 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you prove a painting or a piece of music?
< 1319266762 845427 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WITH SCIENCE
< 1319267246 511183 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a Jyte claim (a statement that users with OpenID can vote agree/disagree and comments) that says "People who make life decisions based on astrology freak me out." Well, not to me; although I would not make decisions in this way. An agreer commented "Unless they are making a decision where a sane person might flip a coin or use a cat." But my response to that comment is: "But, flip a coin is just head and tails! That is the difference."
< 1319267320 596701 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What network thingies are the bots written in a non-networky language using?
< 1319267379 134987 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1319267382 657645 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1319267549 669001 :pagnol!~pagnol@141.30.241.116 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319267747 962657 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319267778 185625 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
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< 1319267822 149564 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean like Brainfuck? I don't think there are any Brainfuck bots here
< 1319267839 58236 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +[.+]
< 1319267843 972256 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[.+]
< 1319267844 618562 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
	.. !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~�������������������������������������������������������������������������������� ...
< 1319267851 718649 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it could be done by hooking stdio to IRC
< 1319267852 805126 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a thutubot
< 1319267858 706652 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, fungot is written in Befunge-98
< 1319267859 465108 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: mist.page. i meane that my heart meanes no ill intent, but that he will steale sir an egge out of a note
< 1319267866 429530 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, nope
< 1319267868 583451 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, seriously?
< 1319267869 221331 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, not nope
< 1319267873 289559 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help
< 1319267873 917450 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def   ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
< 1319267879 28891 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show bf
< 1319267889 495048 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-98 has built in networking
< 1319267902 554423 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^perl
< 1319267906 245209 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Ngevd said that That's a thutubot
< 1319267913 457850 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (
ACTION hugs Sgeo
)!
< 1319267917 188038 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whats print in underload?
< 1319267922 335612 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S I think?
< 1319267930 694284 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (Hello)S
< 1319267931 83085 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1319267949 521784 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jyte.com/claims?by=zzo38computer.cjb.net&page=1
< 1319267981 886329 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (
ACTION hugs Sgeo
)S
< 1319267982 420958 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hugs Sgeo

< 1319267990 377867 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some claims I disagree my owns ones
< 1319268008 625379 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (`echo "test")S
< 1319268009 223327 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo "test"
< 1319268013 158570 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignoring bots, eh!
< 1319268016 67817 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"test"
< 1319268016 823780 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :t> `ec
< 1319268022 877648 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um.
< 1319268053 695665 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does fungot ignore HackEgo?
< 1319268054 363846 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: big. out dunghill: dar'st thou braue a nobleman? hub. why know you not
< 1319268071 673807 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the bots ignore eachother
< 1319268074 494662 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo ^ul (Nope)S
< 1319268076 960619 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​^ul (Nope)S
< 1319268093 352038 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1319268093 981083 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: HackEgo didn't seem to ignore fungot
< 1319268095 63635 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: aut. here's another ballad of a fish that appeared upon the coast, and, from the firmament: thy sunne sets weeping in the lowly west, witnessing stormes to come, with words more sweet, and cunning hand laid on: lady, lady
< 1319268118 95653 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (
PING
)S
< 1319268118 676075 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
PING

< 1319268134 368317 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, that's, um
< 1319268138 875181 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319268144 201605 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (
ACTION hugs Sgeo
)S
< 1319268144 601632 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hugs Sgeo

< 1319268154 451650 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (ACTION hugs Madoka-Kaname)S
< 1319268155 60049 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs Madoka-Kaname
< 1319268169 169137 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's using that weird byte thingy?
< 1319268171 459665 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep
< 1319268175 670253 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, such uses of the command you should use with rarely. But it is sometimes of use.
< 1319268223 958945 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319268229 402033 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Count the seconds it takes to stop thinking about this sentence.
< 1319268252 866199 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1319268351 392791 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three
< 1319268373 420809 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :0
< 1319268376 494699 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure?
< 1319268389 781884 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure
< 1319268397 890919 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too busy thinking about ars amatoria
< 1319268416 399847 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1319268498 901212 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319268533 920338 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319268838 2306 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever pulsed a telephone manually?
< 1319268843 880720 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1319268845 343324 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never
< 1319268916 179048 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever built a telephone?
< 1319268921 302600 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1319268923 15863 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never
< 1319268976 221181 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never built a telephone (but would like to, at some time); I have, however, pulsed a telephone manually, even recently.
< 1319269122 806688 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319269131 741490 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck Sgeo
< 1319269139 530896 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, fuck the connection that causes Sgeo to do that
< 1319269158 199730 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319269198 284033 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All trees are planar graphs!
< 1319269271 815431 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Yes, I believe so.
< 1319270149 635117 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of the dwarftherapists I try to use seem to be broken
< 1319270197 888951 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same
< 1319270248 830028 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a DF IRC channel somewhere
< 1319270259 914796 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric-minecraft
< 1319270511 632290 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have not figured out how to fix gopher movie time service
< 1319270538 944681 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1319270703 329726 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-214-157.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319270765 980780 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-228-27.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1319270913 246353 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319271018 860843 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1319271578 587673 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
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< 1319271642 21307 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319271978 938331 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319272005 190297 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319272190 998528 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Just a quick game", he said at 1.
< 1319272196 539299 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And pulled out a fucking board-wipe deck.
< 1319272362 889696 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319272413 246485 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319272733 173120 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ignore
< 1319272733 308394 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^(EgoBot|HackEgo|toBogE|Sparkbot|optbot|lambdabot)!
< 1319272743 120164 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's who he doesn't care about.
< 1319272760 984901 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1319272786 369149 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319272834 451947 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how cruel
< 1319272902 228968 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait.
< 1319272918 163317 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a underload expression?
< 1319272918 623916 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o
< 1319272941 811167 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but it is the result of Befunge code.
< 1319272951 32068 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As fungot is written in Befunge.
< 1319272952 112983 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: servant. my lord-- here shrowd till the dregges of the storme be past. this is the poyson of their hearts: god keepe you from them and from such false friends! prince. comes forward peace, ye fnord walls, where we did attend a suit, which was your shame, by this carriage. the hearts of kings, edwards vnhappy sonnes, do bid thee flourish.
< 1319272962 929289 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319272971 198791 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a regex.
< 1319273011 346062 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matched against the nick!user@host prefix, that's why the ! at the end.
< 1319273036 411487 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319273177 767583 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so then do you interpret the regex via Befunge or offload it?
< 1319273212 338073 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an app^Wfingerprint for that.
< 1319273236 622197 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The REXP one, I think.
< 1319273242 502341 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1319273242 687667 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98
< 1319273247 14493 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1319273352 712311 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. (See lines 26 and somewhere around 110.)
< 1319273400 615532 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o
< 1319273403 114708 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're kidding me~
< 1319273436 636454 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1319273442 884159 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's...
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< 1319273449 551437 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :An obfuscated bot =p
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< 1319273476 670311 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a few of them
< 1319273493 900363 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to write one in Piet as soon as I've figured out how
< 1319273499 481948 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. It's the cleanest-written Funge-98 irc-bot I've seen.
< 1319273514 230656 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly only by virtue of being the only one I've seen.
< 1319273586 707215 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the block on lines 125-169 which does the babbling is not the most structured.
< 1319273629 195789 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the underload interp at 310-347 is very clear.
< 1319273696 618951 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So.
< 1319273703 991395 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bf one at 351-372 (bytecode compilation) and 294-306 (execution) maybe a bit less so, but the execution bit isn't bad.
< 1319273715 39018 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're implementing BF and underload then using them as the main languages
< 1319273735 415366 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no, not much of the botting stuff is done using those.
< 1319273739 63850 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just user code.
< 1319273748 43675 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show
< 1319273748 116756 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr
< 1319273750 311945 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those.
< 1319273775 73005 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show celebrate
< 1319273775 145085 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :( \o| |o| |o/  \m/ \m/  |o/ \o/ \o|  \m/ \m/  \o| |o| |o/)S
< 1319273775 803545 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :   |   |   |    `\o/´    |   |   |    `\o/´    |   |   |
< 1319273775 876856 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :  /|   |\  |\     |     /'\  >\  >\     |      |\ /|   >\
< 1319273776 22368 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                 /`\                (_|¯´¯|_)
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< 1319273781 403791 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rrrright.
< 1319273822 915215 :pagnol!~pagnol@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1319273910 163689 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The 'ul' on that list is an Underload interp in bf; it got obsoleted when native support was added. It was so slow it just barely managed (foo)S within the cycle limit.)
< 1319273947 641834 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate
< 1319273948 83491 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o| |o| |o/  \m/ \m/  |o/ \o/ \o|  \m/ \m/  \o| |o| |o/
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< 1319274303 743971 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I am foolishly building a water system, hoping that I understand pressure well enough to not flood my fort.
< 1319274328 292635 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, pumps destroy pressure.
< 1319274342 332517 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diagonal spaces, pressure cannot go through
< 1319274357 433736 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1319274367 729155 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well.
< 1319274370 326139 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just set up a waterwheel so I could try a pump. however
< 1319274371 578190 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think pumps create some too.
< 1319274375 453648 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in winter
< 1319274381 234420 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the water wheel will stop.
< 1319274390 603085 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I also have a cistern
< 1319274403 104749 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, maybe the cistern would flood my fort?
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< 1319274475 905665 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even sure if my cistern works correctly.
< 1319274478 305146 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll find out
< 1319274479 186100 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but first
< 1319274490 916597 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to make a drain valve.
< 1319274512 467103 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can test stuff, shut it off, and remove the excess water.
< 1319274577 861956 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well...
< 1319274586 707913 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the drain should really be at the bottom...
< 1319274598 698082 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :these things are difficult to plan. :P
< 1319274699 419236 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiple drainage valves are fine.
< 1319274726 81064 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of time consuming even for 3 legendary miners though.
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< 1319276375 709505 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone ever use undead other than zombies in ZOMBIE programming?
< 1319276674 64244 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vampires or Djinn could make decent rngs
< 1319276764 780433 :pagnol!~pagnol@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which obscure branch of computer science is the most interesting?
< 1319276796 17907 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Genetic algorithms in the context of stock markets
< 1319276803 714910 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's also the most profitable
< 1319276982 950344 :pagnol!~pagnol@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in the context of biology, though I have no clue about the latter
< 1319277046 879241 :pagnol!~pagnol@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any other suggestions?
< 1319277228 839120 :pagnol!~pagnol@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a student of computer science and the lectures I am obliged to attend at the moment deal with the most common subjects (introductory stuff like automata, linear algebra etc.), so I would like to investigate some not so common topic
< 1319277247 511259 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm not much help there
< 1319277256 433907 :pagnol!~pagnol@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why?
< 1319277269 419535 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm doing the first year of A-levels
< 1319277279 729302 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maths, Further Maths, Ancient History, and Latin
< 1319277288 131050 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And have barely any Computer Science background
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< 1319277295 768482 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really just what I've picked up here
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< 1319277373 209682 :pagnol!~pagnol@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you do invent languages?
< 1319277380 554408 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1319277382 320514 :pagnol!~pagnol@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I remember
< 1319277382 396387 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not very good ones
< 1319277410 498289 :pagnol!~pagnol@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you published the specifications or provided an interpreter?
< 1319277421 601198 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just on the wiki
< 1319277436 276584 :pagnol!~pagnol@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are they called? I'd like to have a look
< 1319277452 855772 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brook, Constantinople, Luigi, MIBBLLII, Numberwang, and Nandypants
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< 1319277713 662562 :pagnol!~pagnol@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luigi sounds interesting
< 1319277758 879228 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the few esolangs to be demonstrated turing-complete by showing that arbitrary turing machines can be translated into it
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< 1319278086 27362 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like the "proof" on the page a bit more if you'd have translated one of the universal ones.
< 1319278101 95394 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pass me a universal one, and I'll do it
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< 1319278188 266001 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mathworld.wolfram.com/UniversalTuringMachine.html if you can read their I-think-it's-really-wonky graphical notation.
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< 1319279416 957874 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That better, fizzie?
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< 1319282668 531993 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> " " ++ (unwords . map (\x -> "http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16495819/"++show x++".png") $ [1..5]) ++ " "
< 1319282670 950938 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  " http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16495819/1.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16495819/2...
< 1319282674 253 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...aww
< 1319283585 465668 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyways I have a rudimentary water system now, with a cistern so I can store water in the freezing winter.
< 1319283593 133389 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hurah!
< 1319283602 982307 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/r/rr/
< 1319283612 226680 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might also be able to turn it into a fishing room if I put bridges over it perhaps?
< 1319283623 24740 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been having trouble catching fish for some reason.
< 1319283641 867294 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's because all of the water supplies are a z-level below the land adjacent to it.
< 1319283650 173026 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dig a channel
< 1319283660 916436 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1319283667 756789 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, fishing room sounds badass too so I'll do that. :P
< 1319283673 193516 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::d
< 1319283682 786538 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the cistern should catch some fish during winter.
< 1319283688 747391 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can FISH DURING WINTER BAHAHAHAHAHA
< 1319283749 347072 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIIIIIISH!!!
< 1319283794 527491 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so....
< 1319283807 848023 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :any diagonal flow will completely negate all pressure always?
< 1319283815 537049 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1319283822 340610 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm awful at water management in DF
< 1319283833 798940 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may just set up one of those fancy perpetual motion water wheels and use a pump.
< 1319283848 657763 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds cheap though
< 1319283873 29097 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otherwise my water wheel will die in the winter. I guess I should have connected it to the cistern.
< 1319283900 590248 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, well, the cistern doesn't flow.
< 1319283913 869576 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, perpetual motion machine.
< 1319283915 398780 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good.
< 1319283941 500465 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm, well
< 1319283949 570417 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically I want to set up a well in my hospital
< 1319283960 340500 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can just install a floodgate to mitigate disaster.
< 1319283974 409680 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, just a door actually.
< 1319284051 641557 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I don't even really get what makes a floodgate different from a door.
< 1319284067 653078 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that a door can be controlled my dwarves and floodgates much be mechanized.
< 1319284070 656116 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*must
< 1319284074 362097 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*by
< 1319284176 915148 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh, maybe if I do some fancy pipework I can put a badass waterfall in my dining hall.
< 1319284227 114952 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then drainage /not flooding everything / resizing rooms and rerouting pipes becomes very difficult
< 1319284673 831451 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really understand how people sanely tunnel into magma/water sources.
< 1319284681 823118 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did it when the river was frozen
< 1319284711 173943 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The weather's acting up
< 1319284719 229495 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's summery
< 1319284729 152124 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah I've noticed that too
< 1319284730 921961 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :only some days
< 1319284747 155435 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was frost not two days ago
< 1319284861 768044 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my embark site has a volcano I believe.
< 1319284909 315434 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have an easy supply of magma to, say, construct a moat around my impenetrable fortress wall with archer towers. :)
< 1319284993 866481 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll, uh, focus on that later. :P
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< 1319285905 679700 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be some kind of structure that converts magma flow into power.
< 1319285918 190872 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar to a water wheel but with much greater (possibly infinite?) power gains.
< 1319285949 321947 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would allow you to power a magma pump stack with the magma itself.
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< 1319301128 878908 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319301157 576693 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1319301605 631978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1319303071 766957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/w/index.php?title=Luigi&curid=4094&diff=24982&oldid=24836
< 1319303079 26966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: that doesn't prove it TC
< 1319303081 656621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask ais523 if you want to know why :P
< 1319303095 113062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ais523's proof requires an infinite initial state)
< 1319303105 56748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: read it again
< 1319303111 159262 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not simulating the 3,2 machine at all
< 1319303120 899652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2,3, surely
< 1319303121 204994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's giving a 3,2 busy beaver - a different machine - as an example
< 1319303125 245117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: umm
< 1319303127 294393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I linked to a diff
< 1319303128 899005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the order of the numbers isn't standardised
< 1319303131 745570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't comment on it without reading the diff
< 1319303133 851535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1319303135 309270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1319303141 295244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's such a wide diff only half fit on the screen
< 1319303149 360306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original proof is better#
< 1319303162 157787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, there are turing machines which are TC with a finitely initialised initial tape
< 1319303173 592762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wolfram machine isn't one of them, but they do exist
< 1319303209 385324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1319303380 140037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hilariously, Wolfram claimed a 2,5 machine universal in ANKOS, because it simulated rule 101
< 1319303394 140518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it had no way to simulate rule 101 with an infinite tape, which is needed for the universality proof
< 1319303397 40772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319303402 277532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it was wrong
< 1319303408 497346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I got to tell him this over the phone
< 1319303424 628454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I fixed the universality proof of that machine, btw, but haven't posted the fixed proof anywhere)
< 1319303711 901766 :ive!~nn@189.254.85.241 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319304849 522329 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on
< 1319304868 155295 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a standard notation for turing machines including initial tape lurking around anywhere?
< 1319304905 895648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I know
< 1319304916 341197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: set theory? :P
< 1319304945 429314 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I could probably make a turing machine to Luigi translator
< 1319305022 838143 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty easily, actually
< 1319305239 493239 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319305654 620566 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319305788 976171 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ganto's theorem" follows directly from law of excluded middle:   ganto :: (Classical p, Classical q) => (p -> q, Not p -> q) -> q; ganto (x, y) = either x y lem;
< 1319305895 457202 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually, Classical only has to apply to p, not q, since law of excluded middle is only used with p)
< 1319305907 241443 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1319306600 548250 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How goes the invasion?
< 1319306606 998422 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invasion what invasion
< 1319306618 140264 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See topic.
< 1319306624 241178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: temporarily aborted, I think
< 1319306627 593334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we want to clean up the mess first
< 1319306636 660700 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, pah!
< 1319306644 262212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually /playing/ BlogNomic is encouraged, and even recommended
< 1319306681 139673 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worst invasion.
< 1319306779 66175 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net
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< 1319307036 360602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you X11...
< 1319307042 590992 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(crashed)
< 1319308071 900208 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We actually talked invasion in here?
< 1319308081 374739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1319308084 123761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in the topic
< 1319308102 525010 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topic's logged too
< 1319308114 840523 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iiuc
< 1319308134 238625 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because I totally should be talking about security)
< 1319308145 61074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that 12345678^&! in the topic mean?
< 1319308145 329743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot the agora-business archives
< 1319308150 784165 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like befunge code to me
< 1319308156 186705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it's befunge code.
< 1319308158 657002 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it makes no sense as such
< 1319308170 395486 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well but what else is it?
< 1319308172 830843 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made a shorter proof of Peirce's law
< 1319308177 598998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: befunge code
< 1319308179 562455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1319308180 607575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trefunge code
< 1319308185 15961 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :By eliminating one step
< 1319308185 878773 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: elliott's numrow
< 1319308190 774152 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, oh
< 1319308192 25991 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably
< 1319308196 45053 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not fixed?
< 1319308196 117272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also unefunge code
< 1319308201 166497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not unefunge
< 1319308205 517525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes unefunge
< 1319308205 622611 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ is not in unefunge
< 1319308211 853585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is it just reflects
< 1319308215 633477 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah
< 1319308220 125001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfectly ok to reflect
< 1319308227 875392 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1319308373 61274 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :By that argument everything is *funge
< 1319308405 719090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naturally
< 1319308444 921198 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you 9 and 0 keys working or something?
< 1319308446 299874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: echo 'echo "$1: Befunge code"' >/usr/bin/file
< 1319308450 663859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep
< 1319308458 969351 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep
< 1319308531 754310 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you forgot #!/bin/sh in that
< 1319308534 957024 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it won't work
< 1319308538 219618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Wrong
< 1319308543 864257 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh?
< 1319308545 58726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot chmod +x though
< 1319308558 639682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@katia:~$ echo 'echo "$1: Befunge code"' >file
< 1319308558 868061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@katia:~$ chmod +x file
< 1319308558 940786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@katia:~$ ./file file
< 1319308558 940960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :file: Befunge code
< 1319308558 941074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@katia:~$
< 1319308572 215480 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how comes that work?
< 1319308575 3924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes no sense
< 1319308581 435831 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is that portable by POSIX?
< 1319308606 461855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION lets Vorpal figure out how the shell works.

< 1319308623 38473 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a mystery!
< 1319308627 331364 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm maybe it won't work when executed by exec()?
< 1319308654 65445 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How's your compiler going?
< 1319308659 990957 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah executing it under strace for example fails
< 1319308666 735472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I've been busy subverting democracy.
< 1319308673 662338 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I met edwardk yesterday and he told me all about the type checker that he's writing to procrastinate on making slides for his trifecta talk.
< 1319308684 947484 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so clearly it won't work for a /usr/bin/file, since it can only be executed from a shell
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< 1319308837 75201 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It *should* work just fine, actually.
< 1319308862 598094 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm
< 1319308878 1230 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's not a valid executable, POSIX mandates that exec shall pass the program to the shell.
< 1319308886 682128 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not mandate #!.
< 1319308891 831539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, really?
< 1319308897 448498 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#! is not POSIX.
< 1319308901 194005 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1319308902 656410 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how strange
< 1319308912 893100 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, is it SuS though?
< 1319308920 146074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not then SuS sucks badly
< 1319308922 284261 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1319308928 903305 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "invalid executables go to the shell" is at least historical UNIX behavior.
< 1319308932 536423 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, wait.
< 1319308935 363968 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, #! is not SuS.
< 1319308939 132974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1319308956 671445 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is SuS defined these days btw? I haven't seen a SuS for POSIX 2008 yet
< 1319309103 770455 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SuS is this: http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/toc.htm
< 1319309116 867880 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With XSI and a few other POSIX-specified options mandated.
< 1319309138 154913 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FSC, TSA, TSH, TSS, UP, and XSI)
< 1319309159 140476 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think oerjan should correct the reference to the Astrolog program that he has on Agora Nomic's [First Speaker's message event's] Horoscope
< 1319309200 94411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so the POSIX.1-2008 spec basically contains SuS?
< 1319309236 595148 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1319309250 550723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oerjan is not online
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< 1319309274 938755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: posix has always included sus since 2001
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< 1319309287 609112 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay
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< 1319309821 812310 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, r/AskScience modding has become aggressive as hell.
< 1319309832 556152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :howso
< 1319310230 61252 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, go to front page. Look at thread. Note how half the comments in thread are deleted.
< 1319310242 233314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not afaict
< 1319310247 576495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, they're a default reddit now
< 1319310248 304206 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's no more aggressive
< 1319310251 328675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just means more people are making stupid comments
< 1319310254 618119 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep
< 1319310255 112383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than more comments being deleted
< 1319310258 947219 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same difference.
< 1319310261 212350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not
< 1319310270 953659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your policy is to delete everything with an objective stupidity rating of at least N
< 1319310280 654749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and being a default reddit causes a thousand times more comments that satisfy that
< 1319310282 788163 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same. Difference.
< 1319310287 475273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your moderation hasn't gotten any more aggressive at all
< 1319310292 377415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it isn't, I just literally explained now it isn't
< 1319310300 262848 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same.
< 1319310303 77919 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Difference.
< 1319310307 136761 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Then tell oerjan when they are online.
< 1319310331 661818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you do it; there's ?tell
< 1319310343 748235 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Tell oerjan whatever it was that you were supposed to, when e's online.
< 1319310344 404283 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: rosa. why she hath a face of her owne distresse, or like to men prowd of destruction, defie vs to our shape, if this you purpose as ye speak, diana's temple is not distant far, where you shold but hunt with modest warrant
< 1319310347 649930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: are you deliberately trying to be stubborn in the face of anyone explaining why you're wrong
< 1319310363 726623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because nobody really cares if you think the policy is more aggressive if you're just going to say same difference whenever anyone says it's not
< 1319310376 635432 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm in a room which is about 30° too hot and I'm trying to watch Spaced.
< 1319310737 498651 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh
< 1319310764 879027 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just finished watching whole EtosLab channel on yt

< 1319310902 329879 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Same.  Difference. <-- how? elliott's argument makes perfect sense
< 1319310939 315778 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except in the sense that it failed to account for equality of differences.
< 1319310949 620338 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, is there anything particularly good.
< 1319310956 887098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, because there isn't any equality of differences
< 1319310964 63312 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RACIST
< 1319310978 631525 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't even make any sense
< 1319310983 672766 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I might make a METAFONT program for various astrological/astronomical symbols, and some additional symbols such as the phase of the moon (for printing calendars); symbols for solar system objects, including variant glyphs (like Astrolog supports), zodiac, fictitious objects, aspects, Ophiucus, etc
< 1319310984 660909 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: he does some nice contraptions
< 1319310990 223574 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :like EMP
< 1319311005 178282 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, how does that work?
< 1319311008 65350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, got a link to any good video?
< 1319311099 990530 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKJA2suBc7s&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLFD1682F2801E7ADF
< 1319311100 299125 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, I don't even get any relevant results googling for "EtosLab", just some facebook stuff
< 1319311107 26493 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So it would include some that Astrolog does not have, such as Ophiucus, and the descending lunar node, and phase of moon symbols (like those used on calendars). Am I missing anything?)
< 1319311108 346381 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ethos*
< 1319311116 167850 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, oh right, I copy pasted what you said
< 1319311121 202298 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo
< 1319311125 909516 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Etho's.
< 1319311159 145281 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh mc vidoes
< 1319311200 226906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hoped nooga meant real EMP.

< 1319311209 702597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And now to try it on my city."
< 1319311219 68227 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking it'd disable all redstone circuitry.
< 1319311226 816794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1319311230 226468 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fasmotjs0NA&feature=BFa&list=UUFKDEp9si4RmHFWJW1vYsMA&lf=plcp
< 1319311232 387201 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd fit one on the ROU.
< 1319311244 643351 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :when he ties to beat Vechs' adventure maps
< 1319311292 215818 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy is quite smart and definately does unique stuff based on his own research
< 1319311558 543566 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw
< 1319311564 862022 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone tried Terraria? :D
< 1319311733 780452 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, yes
< 1319311740 60665 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, kind of different from mc really
< 1319311766 653649 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :while it might look like a 2D minecraft on the surface it is actually very different in gameplay
< 1319311796 944403 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to watch some LPs but it looks soo boring
< 1319311808 77143 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :they stay on the surface all the time and fight slimes
< 1319311808 763130 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I wonder if you could disable redstone circuits remotely.
< 1319311812 671561 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without TNT or anything.
< 1319311845 598097 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe pistons?
< 1319311853 459766 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :push blocks with redstone wiring
< 1319311940 644871 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, completely remotely.
< 1319311951 380072 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With no access to the target.
< 1319311965 240505 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible unless there is a bug in the server
< 1319311991 49583 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-74-65-236.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1319312003 644140 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if torch burnouts were global rather than local...
< 1319312026 93147 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1319312057 200356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ouch
< 1319312069 450567 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, thankfully it isn't
< 1319312182 818489 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the new terrain generator
< 1319312203 343923 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't.
< 1319312214 694343 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1319312224 570246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's too artificial.
< 1319312267 184241 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like certain of the concepts *in* the new terrain generator.
< 1319312275 127441 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most obviously, larger biomes.
< 1319312289 273861 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ravines are a bit too common
< 1319312301 393152 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at the biome interfaces.
< 1319312302 705750 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, yeah, certain other things make it seem much *less* real.
< 1319312311 145056 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as, yes, biome interfaces.
< 1319312322 879671 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :biome interwhat?
< 1319312325 415440 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're extremely sharp; the Perlin moisture/temperature stuff has clearly been altered.
< 1319312331 682483 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1319312356 11886 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the new stuff is annoying
< 1319312365 158319 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey
< 1319312376 936686 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still on 1.7.3, partly because of that but mostly because I use the technic pack
< 1319312396 39211 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :how realistic can you get in a game in which everything is made from huge cubes
< 1319312401 630941 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares about realism
< 1319312409 460073 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : they stay on the surface all the time and fight slimes <-- try watching the TotalBiscuit videos of it. They are funny
< 1319312418 127493 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the brit?
< 1319312435 272862 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not realism I care about; it's the fact that it's blatantly artificial.
< 1319312462 540792 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but amusing
< 1319312467 453900 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, yeah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lypSNqYE5XY for example
< 1319312471 577616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, but yeah.
< 1319312521 585948 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, it doesn't amuse me when it's what you'd expect from someone with WorldEdit.
< 1319312622 95435 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: example?
< 1319312634 497538 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at the new mountains.
< 1319312645 24063 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sides are too... smooth.
< 1319312673 785272 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, recently Minecraft has been making some diversions from the aesthetic.
< 1319312686 355308 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chests that aren't 1 m^3 and open...
< 1319312690 171766 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Square moon and sun...
< 1319312701 627016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, the square moon and sun are still there, no?
< 1319312707 224071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it is texture pack dependent
< 1319312711 412368 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, not in 1.9pre3.
< 1319312714 342523 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*4
< 1319312714 669221 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ouch
< 1319312731 476476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, btw I don't have anything against opening chest. The smaller chest though...
< 1319312755 556589 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Especially* since the animation seems to have made the break animation not work.
< 1319312769 620971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ouch?
< 1319312788 206455 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know how blocks show cracks as you break them?
< 1319312791 197637 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chests don't.
< 1319312827 258306 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1319313053 213611 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked the old chest size
< 1319313055 329392 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? My USB 3.0 controller is using IRQ 4294967277?
< 1319313060 467879 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that even exist!?
< 1319313074 306973 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :._.
< 1319313090 432991 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, there's hardly any IRQ lines.
< 1319313107 558590 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, maybe MSI?
< 1319313113 302811 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grand total of 15 IRQs.
< 1319313118 610385 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um..
< 1319313119 847313 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, 16.
< 1319313123 454821 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my GPU is- oh
< 1319313131 930838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, actually there are plenty of things up to IRQ 23 here
< 1319313133 141868 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, when I had ubuntu my GPU was IRQ19
< 1319313138 69487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the big jump
< 1319313172 270188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on my laptop I have up to IRQ 49: http://sprunge.us/PGGT
< 1319313182 654692 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :from ls /proc/irq/
< 1319313218 514656 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ls /proc/irq
< 1319313218 652851 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0  1  10  11  12  13  14  15  16  17  18  19  2  20  23  3  4  43  44  5  6  7  8  9  default_smp_affinity
< 1319313233 12599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so there might be a grand total of 16 historically but that no longer seems to be the case
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< 1319313256 815494 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevertheless, that IRQ 4294967277 to IRQ 4294967293 that my USB 3 controller is using... wtf
< 1319313267 757735 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, up to 4294967292
< 1319313288 396740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :4294967293 is used by my intel gbit ethernet and 4294967294 by my GPU
< 1319313302 170977 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.-.
< 1319313308 407022 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything beyond that is straight-up lies.
< 1319313317 751141 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The IRQ lines are *physical lines*.
< 1319313330 791708 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you forgot about message signalled interrupts
< 1319313345 526930 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, modern x86 is a habitual liar.
< 1319313356 358731 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Message_Signaled_Interrupts
< 1319313394 181067 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think oerjan should correct the reference to the Astrolog program that he has on Agora Nomic's [First Speaker's message event's] Horoscope
< 1319313394 473025 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1319313445 28953 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i would, but i have this strange nostalgic feeling about files with pre-millennium date stamps
< 1319313493 433916 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that means no.)
< 1319313495 771287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can fake datestamps :)
< 1319313504 38158 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT THIS ONE IS REAL
< 1319313556 261476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, MSI allows more than 16 interrupts. Because they are no longer physical lines
< 1319313571 124545 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait argh
< 1319313586 59715 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: O, OK, so that is why. Then put a separate file on the main page, next to the link for that horoscope, a note about the link for Astrolog being invalid
< 1319313605 781876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: see, he has solutions to all your problems :)
< 1319313625 234848 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: actually my protest is void
< 1319313636 58026 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realized i edited the file back in 2007 :P
< 1319313648 298451 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OK.
< 1319313730 13459 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i think i'll make a new parenthetical remark, and let the main text stand
< 1319313831 223821 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OK, do that; perhaps that will help.
< 1319313867 457254 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Habitual. Liar.
< 1319313871 77893 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you mentioned those useless fsck of ext3/4, well one just happened to me, on /usr. Took all of 5 seconds.
< 1319313894 543021 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, they are accurate. Due to MSI.
< 1319313905 137281 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what is it that you don't understand about MSI?
< 1319313926 720974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they take a lot more than five seconds
< 1319313938 42217 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The bit where it pretends to be physical lines off of the CPU.
< 1319313939 15644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not for me.
< 1319313942 224693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lucky you
< 1319313949 694936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, where did they pretend that?
< 1319313956 453477 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By having IRQ numbers.
< 1319313973 93860 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well then there is the APIC
< 1319313990 668341 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok fixed
< 1319313991 385737 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the APIC goes up to at least 23 according to /proc/interrupts
< 1319313996 110088 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like certain things pretend to be the 8086 system bus.
< 1319314036 570614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway rebooting from freebsd to linux changed the IRQ numbering on my desktop. I no longer have those extreme numbers
< 1319314039 290482 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, http://sprunge.us/MUNd
< 1319314046 508556 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what I see from linux on my desktop
< 1319314088 744782 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my laptop that same file: http://sprunge.us/XAKE
< 1319314108 359887 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? Lies and deceit.
< 1319314156 186444 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I get another interrupts on my desktop once I start X11. Seems like fglrx adds it on demand. It shows up as 62.
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< 1319314192 227970 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I guess freebsd and linux simply allocates the dynamic interrupts required differently.
< 1319314219 512602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, anyway MSI-style interrupts have numbers too
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< 1319314252 802155 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so claiming they are lying by being numbered, as you did above, is not true.
< 1319314262 162355 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By being IRQ numbered.
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< 1319314309 930199 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, uh... So what would you suggest instead?
< 1319314328 599119 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nuking x86.
< 1319314329 293946 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is briefly reminded that IRQ used to be a chat program.  ihrc.

< 1319314371 472650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICQ.
< 1319314378 430540 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :OSX default compiler toolchain sucks badly when it comes to osdev
< 1319314391 597621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ when .*//
< 1319314403 120977 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X default compiler toolchain is, uh, fairly mundane GNU.
< 1319314405 593711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ default compiler toolchain//
< 1319314407 727218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's also ancient
< 1319314423 208431 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine my face when i discovered that ld produces ONLY Mach-O
< 1319314426 876258 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1319314435 255974 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Custom ld?
< 1319314439 395083 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, apart from that
< 1319314448 965734 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Nothing.
< 1319314450 227367 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, well
< 1319314454 988876 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest is llvm-gcc
< 1319314467 460530 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you would end up with the MSI style interrupts on any modern CPU architecture
< 1319314474 163782 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait am i thinking of icq
< 1319314475 495677 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i had to compile my own toolchain and put it in opt
< 1319314477 269259 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that made sense for a desktop style usage
< 1319314488 709216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, icq? Wasn't that some old IM thingy?
< 1319314494 417135 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You wouldn't end up with it implemented on top of an interface for 16 wires coming off of the CPU.
< 1319314494 577615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: the rest is gcc
< 1319314496 376996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or clang
< 1319314505 446430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that llvm-gcc gets any real use on OS X.
< 1319314509 179837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang for all userland applications, definitely
< 1319314514 110056 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that was the _point_
< 1319314515 637210 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like you would have a system bus on any modern CPU architecture, but you wouldn't come up with the 8086 system bus.
< 1319314518 221620 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang -> llvm
< 1319314536 945256 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well okay
< 1319314545 745333 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1319314549 170216 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, try to search for "irq" chat shows just how obnoxious google is these days - it _corrects_ it, even with the quotes
< 1319314552 436982 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate xcode way of doing things
< 1319314584 282328 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me 2 days to figure out how to make a form with a button that would change it's text when clicked
< 1319314595 179198 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :its*
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< 1319314603 964826 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm that's only in instant, it works if i press return
< 1319314647 441822 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ouch
< 1319314659 542858 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still divided on whether i hate google instant or find it convenient.
< 1319314677 851176 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you may know the 8086 system bus as "ISA" or "IDE" or "ATA")
< 1319314681 663054 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah better to use a different search engine such as DDG. Btw I have nothing against Google saying "did you mean" even with quotes. As long as it doesn't auto correct
< 1319314682 753762 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends a bit on how much my laptop is thrashing :/
< 1319314719 672651 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, trashing? You need more ram
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< 1319314735 202351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how old is that laptop?
< 1319314744 966445 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :2006
< 1319314748 269693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1319314757 954822 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't a top model even then
< 1319314761 794298 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides I find laptops unergonomic. Pain in the neck if I use one for a long time
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< 1319314772 2784 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: did you mean is fine.  but it now often does it the other way around, so you need to click to get the real thing
< 1319314781 596275 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
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< 1319314794 526502 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, definitely switch to DDG
< 1319314806 212317 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's worse, google instant is somewhat buggy when you do click
< 1319314817 527544 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1319314841 372440 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, DDG has a very useful info box on top of searches too: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=MSI
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< 1319314844 648831 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :check that out
< 1319314849 789945 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you used the suggestion menu, it doesn't get what you selected but what you typed
< 1319314870 238840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :click computing to expand that and find Message Signalled Interrupts
< 1319314898 999883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and it does W|A
< 1319314902 801387 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a lot more
< 1319314928 73743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, basically it is what google should be. And should it not find anything useful you can just add !g at the start of your search to make it go to google
< 1319314994 830167 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, anyway, have I convinced you to switch yet? You can turn off the ads in the prefs btw. If you don't want to support DDG :P
< 1319315036 963483 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and it is anon, no personalised search results apart from setting region in preferences (if you want to).
< 1319315050 6799 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1319315150 71129 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this list sufficient?   http://sprunge.us/FATD
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< 1319315236 69225 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I have convinced you to switch yet?
< 1319315256 398457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, ... what is it?
< 1319315269 404055 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what LANGUAGE is it?
< 1319315281 597056 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh tex I guess
< 1319315293 974132 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It is a (incomplete) METAFONT program. So far I just put the names and numbers of the characters in the font.
< 1319315310 811108 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I don't think there are any METAFONT experts here
< 1319315332 113753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would anyone use METAFONT these days. You can use Type1 with pdftex and TTF with xetex
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< 1319315363 544407 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i've opened it.  no promises.
< 1319315381 585510 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need to know about METAFONT; I am asking if you think there are sufficient symbols listed in there (for all planets, phase of moon, etc).
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< 1319315399 899556 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, give it a try. elliott recommended it
< 1319315412 846052 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't want to use pdftex, Type1, XeTeX; I also think METAFONT is a good program to design typefaces, in general.
< 1319315415 639881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue
< 1319315418 644784 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a first impression, i miss a tool tip on that looking glass button
< 1319315429 751836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I do not implicitly support your recommendations.
< 1319315443 367040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, of course not. But you recommended it to me
< 1319315446 639543 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is all I'm saying
< 1319315456 216272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you dispute that, go check the channel logs
< 1319315470 65145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diggy diggy hole.
< 1319315477 260923 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose they really want to be minimalist
< 1319315480 483960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you watched too much yogscast
< 1319315496 687400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, mail the guy behind it if you really need a tooltip saying "search" :P He tends to respond
< 1319315506 830910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and it is "him" not "they". It is a one-guy project
< 1319315510 627232 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Even if *you* don't like METAFONT, I still prefer METAFONT and with DVI output and so on.
< 1319315515 662293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I haven't even seen that episode.
< 1319315522 369030 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in my opinion it is superior.
< 1319315530 875400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, come on. Simon says "Diggy diggy hole" quite often.
< 1319315547 994111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't watched since the beginning of the second season.
< 1319315553 225629 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay
< 1319315674 51526 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only really watched them messing around with mods since then.
< 1319315687 594281 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1319315712 288497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I tend to watch everything but the HoN videos. Because those tend to not be very funny, and HoN doesn't interest me
< 1319315731 589574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to watch SoI, I really did.
< 1319315762 69521 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it is quite nice
< 1319315780 432339 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed the beginning, haven't bothered to go back. You get into the plot quite easily
< 1319315785 698483 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's far far more cocking around than is interesting.
< 1319315807 958860 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think METAFONT is far better than any other program for typeface designing that I know of.
< 1319315836 445798 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be used to design logos, too.
< 1319315921 152019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Cocking around is interesting; scripting isn't
< 1319315959 139429 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, cocking around on the part of the scriptwriters.
< 1319316162 927614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : No, it's far far more cocking around than is interesting. <-- still funny tough
< 1319316180 180403 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they clearly have some server mods for special effects
< 1319316187 483584 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and client mods too I think
< 1319316405 344815 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
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< 1319317788 254391 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/gTXgm.png Because a captcha should be OCR-able.
< 1319317922 550887 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if the OCR bot knows about the all-new Chevy Sonic, who cares?
< 1319317951 48551 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1319318098 305153 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw one of those things recently and raged hardcore
< 1319318106 257645 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wanted me to enter not one, but two things
< 1319318118 121074 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one required watching the video (i mean advertisement)
< 1319318129 642701 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it amounts to is that nobody really understands what a captcha is for, it's just a hoop they jump through
< 1319318134 539660 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so one hoop is much the same as another to them
< 1319318142 18419 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and these fuckers are taking advantage of it
< 1319318142 726617 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1319318194 18993 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It _is_ just a hoop you jump through.
< 1319318211 670620 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, but in some contexts it serves a useful purpose
< 1319318227 976259 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that many computer users don't understand when it's legitimately useful
< 1319318234 861250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :advertising CAPTCHAs are enough to make me not use a site
< 1319318242 79642 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because 1) many site owners don't seem to understand, they just throw that shit up there because it's "in"
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< 1319318254 663048 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 2) they don't really understand what it's for and how it's supposed to accomplish its goal
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< 1319318327 686152 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A captcha is actually a darned good thing if done right, in the right context.
< 1319318341 852354 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaa I hate capchas
< 1319318350 622685 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand the advertising component either; isn't frustrating potential customers counter to the goal, or are most people totally okay with them
< 1319318353 262921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: you like spambots more?
< 1319318358 225425 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany contributes to discussion.
< 1319318359 254253 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, even with reCAPTCHA, people manage to fuck it up.
< 1319318360 199933 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spambots are my bros
< 1319318371 396056 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun spambots
< 1319318376 126351 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, of course, doing it in the right context is easy to fuck up if you're ignorant.
< 1319318378 990004 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, ah, but they remember you as those people who annoyed you!
< 1319318393 412821 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brand recognition!
< 1319318408 655708 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they annoyed me now i want to buy all their product
< 1319318408 846748 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of obvious when someone joins your forum and starts spamming under the counter drugs without a prescribtion things
< 1319318419 418955 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's kind of obvious to push the "purge posts" and "ip ban" buttons
< 1319318460 888137 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people put up with captchas in the same way they put up with every other annoying thing that consumers allow companies to get away with
< 1319318462 880844 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I wonder if anyone's set up a Bayesian filter for forums.
< 1319318470 712408 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike CAPTCHAs too but there are many other ways to prevent spambots.
< 1319318474 573241 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kilowatt-hour, what a stupid unit... Unless I missed out on something it is just 3600 kilojoule.
< 1319318484 120637 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yes, yes it is.
< 1319318491 28700 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the case of captchas, since most of the people involved don't know what they are really about, they don't understand when they're being taken advantage of (advertising "captchas")
< 1319318491 337515 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer to ask a simple logic question
< 1319318495 6218 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also an easy unit to work with for domestic power consumption.
< 1319318499 739501 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany, ahahahahaha
< 1319318501 234611 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they don't know the difference between that and real captchas
< 1319318508 669514 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. I'd say the easiest way to use a captcha scheme to block spambots is to use it for account registration.
< 1319318510 111437 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, because computers are really terrible at simple logic questions!
< 1319318511 405695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's kind of obvious when someone joins your forum and starts spamming under the counter drugs without a prescribtion things
< 1319318511 584091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : and it's kind of obvious to push the "purge posts" and "ip ban" buttons
< 1319318518 248599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany has never heard of blogs.
< 1319318526 986093 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :..?
< 1319318527 289624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, indeed, anything that gets any kind of volume of traffic at all.
< 1319318530 965960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hmm. I wonder if anyone's set up a Bayesian filter for forums.
< 1319318531 37992 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany has never heard of RSI.
< 1319318534 523037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: StupidFilter; it was stupid
< 1319318538 684981 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you can pay people to sign up all kinds of accounts in bulk for cheap
< 1319318539 626463 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though this screws up blog comments a bit.
< 1319318555 55275 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't mean i think that every post form should have a captcha, for example
< 1319318558 596531 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's enough spambots that you can't keep up then something is horribly wrong
< 1319318564 600953 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have gotten spam messages on blog, but since I made a new one on gopher, it stops making spam message
< 1319318565 236447 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are other things you can do to make it not worth a person's time to spam your shit
< 1319318569 390025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, nevertheless Joule makes more sense to me than watt*hour. Because W*h = (J/s)*s*3600 basically.
< 1319318571 533838 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: Then the Internet is horribly wrong.
< 1319318578 569315 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :those s cancel each other
< 1319318588 133921 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it's a calculation thing.
< 1319318599 662003 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it's a humans-suck-at-units thing.
< 1319318608 872332 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Appliances have power consumptions in watts, and tend to be run on timescales on the order of hours.
< 1319318611 538283 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm okay
< 1319318622 463239 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kilometers per hour" is also a really silly unit.
< 1319318626 128406 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of don't care about spam
< 1319318633 658382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: yes, because everyone else cares about it for you
< 1319318635 773797 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, why?
< 1319318635 947280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at your spam folder sometime
< 1319318642 134321 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nearly empty
< 1319318643 567457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm. Why?
< 1319318646 966654 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: There's a perfectly good SI unit.
< 1319318650 939810 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meters/second.
< 1319318653 840239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: then nobody knows your email
< 1319318654 445845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah
< 1319318659 242249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :other ways to avoid spam
< 1319318660 483891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- become a hermit
< 1319318660 775628 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is better indeed
< 1319318674 406147 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get an email every so often from some guy saying he's from hong kong and wants to give me a million dollars
< 1319318684 858940 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and goes by the name "wing wang"
< 1319318686 294076 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: You probably have the world's most amazingly unknown email address.
< 1319318692 149416 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany@physibots.info
< 1319318695 704380 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::I
< 1319318700 627009 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I guess km/s would make sense though Or mm/s. But not x/h
< 1319318702 753485 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not even have a spam folter.
< 1319318715 84923 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: Congrats, your spam should skyrocket.
< 1319318715 322782 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yahoo must like, sell off lists of email addresses
< 1319318716 435614 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how i have dealt with spam for going on 10 years:
< 1319318720 939407 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :register domain name
< 1319318724 75950 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :catchall address
< 1319318731 587083 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :siteimregisteringon.com@domain.com
< 1319318735 64760 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, eh, the logs for here aren't crawled to my knowledge.
< 1319318745 773353 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany, stupid... the channel is logged in public
< 1319318746 81740 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know where every e-mail is sourced that way
< 1319318747 718162 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an SMTP server but I turn it off most of the time so that whenever anyone tries to send a spam message, they will get error message about not reachable server.
< 1319318750 7988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: If I put that on the esolang wiki, your spam folder would be huge within a day.
< 1319318751 253392 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on what it gets sent to :)
< 1319318757 873083 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :=/
< 1319318766 322759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I dunno if spambots would get text/plain
< 1319318771 697171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, that makes sense. I thought about doing that too.
< 1319318777 497395 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do people even make money off of spambots?
< 1319318777 859713 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never got around to it
< 1319318783 24819 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got me in a little trouble the other day actually, lol
< 1319318788 994056 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, oh?
< 1319318789 614122 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i placed an online order for a towncar to take me to the airport
< 1319318798 743036 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the guy almost dropped my registration because he thought it was fake
< 1319318799 551020 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: If 1 in a billion people fall for it, they get 1 hit.
< 1319318804 91682 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1319318805 632370 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least 1, sorry.
< 1319318810 476104 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i never bought domain privacy because it didn't exist when i registered the domain - so it's got false info)
< 1319318818 177533 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1319318818 321877 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was medium-smart
< 1319318822 130194 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And spam is so fucking cheap that they probably make a profit off of that.
< 1319318838 656298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  I think the worst part of growing up is that it isn't retroactive.
< 1319318841 108302 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the hit rates are probably a bit closer to 1 in a few million.
< 1319318841 270630 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, he understood what i was doing, but he couldn't wrap his head around the fact that i'd paid him $60 for the reservation and that should be enough
< 1319318842 602146 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :690)  I think the worst part of growing up is that it isn't retroactive.
< 1319318849 768971 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should take computational power to be able to send email
< 1319318854 299648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: see hashcash
< 1319318855 829899 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, have to do a proof of work or something
< 1319318857 409219 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was all flighty until i gave him my "real" e-mail address (actually a secondary one)
< 1319318870 871732 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq, I guess km/s would make sense though Or mm/s. But not x/h <-- it makes sense when you want to estimate how long time it will take you to drive somewhere without having to convert seconds to hours, which non-nerds probably find annoying
< 1319318874 347951 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, he was smart enough to know what was going on and do a WHOIS of my domain, but he put stock in e-mail as an authenticating factor? wtf.
< 1319318876 317972 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany, this has been considered. Never was a hit. Because not everyone was using it
< 1319318887 615018 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, *everyone* finds that annoying.
< 1319318904 738072 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who *enjoy* doing arithmetic are rare, to say the least.
< 1319318910 723209 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, heh
< 1319318914 687600 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well yeah
< 1319318919 169376 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know someone who does
< 1319318931 260846 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i enjoy calculating things in my head :|
< 1319318944 545329 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: *Clearly* we should reform humans so that SI is trivial.
< 1319318955 869011 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so we can use only base units, instead of derived.
< 1319318964 225093 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, with making sense I meant "sense in context of the SI system"
< 1319318984 666903 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Volt? BAH!
< 1319318990 762186 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kg m^2/A s^3
< 1319318994 201569 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1319319022 502053 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as an aside, I rather dislike the use of kg as a base unit)
< 1319319027 406196 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why?
< 1319319029 101532 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you beat me to that
< 1319319041 126987 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the only base unit that has a prefix.
< 1319319051 576198 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should rename kg to g. Then it would all work
< 1319319060 354192 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nononono, you have it wrong.
< 1319319075 762770 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the *other* base units have antiprefixes.
< 1319319081 923268 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1319319088 640601 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the ampere is far too large.
< 1319319093 386157 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, is it?
< 1319319102 939181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal:  we should rename kg to g. Then it would all work
< 1319319106 650033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: except that all the derived units would suck
< 1319319118 188082 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, because they all use kg currently rather than g
< 1319319132 785692 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so it would simply things
< 1319319147 276616 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Milliampere is about the right size.
< 1319319156 437236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: uh
< 1319319160 582784 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it would complicate derived units
< 1319319165 685304 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, because kg is the base unit
< 1319319172 621165 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh!
< 1319319175 108817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, rename
< 1319319178 34433 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes
< 1319319178 240603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumb :p
< 1319319182 499537 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you are yes
< 1319319190 615692 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least atm
< 1319319191 455855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how witty + original
< 1319319243 707242 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Still, the ampere is effing huge.
< 1319319247 368917 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, anyway I worked with A rather than mA sometimes. I admit that mA is more common in electronics.
< 1319319260 243843 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not in high energy electrics
< 1319319279 342764 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Domestic circuitry isn't going to hit more than 20 A.
< 1319319283 525595 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, indeed
< 1319319297 993691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I seen kA about once iirc
< 1319319351 114493 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, actually I think this house has a 25 A main fuse or such. But then it is fairly large and you need a lot of heating in Sweden during the winter.
< 1319319357 710784 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be 20 A, not sure
< 1319319358 684715 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also, the ampere is far too large. <-- well compared to the tesla...
< 1319319390 332880 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'mma get this client
< 1319319391 789192 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what about the Coulomb?
< 1319319394 143909 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is huge too
< 1319319394 705390 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Units are hard.
< 1319319395 482665 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sourceforge.net/projects/pennypost/
< 1319319423 703488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like hashcash except stupid
< 1319319426 332349 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a 2T magnetic field in one place at CERN.
< 1319319426 510942 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany, it rather hinges on everyone else you communicate with using it as well
< 1319319440 638508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by stupid, I mean it doesn't have a wikipedia article
< 1319319441 883387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hashcash does
< 1319319456 105768 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319319456 228421 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this client was referenced by the wikipedia page on hashcash
< 1319319460 837666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319319465 291352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it doesn't matter
< 1319319468 661334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof of work has failed
< 1319319489 180796 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :# The amount of charge that travels through a lightning bolt is typically around 15 C, although large bolts can be up to 350 C.[11]
< 1319319489 253214 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :# The amount of charge that travels through a typical alkaline AA battery is about 5 kC = 5000 C = 1400 mAh. After that charge has flowed, the battery must be discarded or recharged.[12]
< 1319319493 53924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that much in a battery!?
< 1319319518 855282 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Vorpal.
< 1319319528 824355 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh?
< 1319319530 964634 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the amount that moves through it over its lifetime.
< 1319319535 880432 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well yes
< 1319319540 461542 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I'm still surprised
< 1319319542 835640 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's effectively a meaningless number.
< 1319319553 401894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1319319555 877846 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(magnetic_field) "strongest pulsed magnetic field yet obtained in a laboratory, destroying the used equipment, but not the laboratory itself"
< 1319319560 420549 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best.
< 1319319564 103031 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it only makes sense for capacitators
< 1319319567 54570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :D
< 1319319573 102881 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, not /quite/.)
< 1319319589 795319 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Apparently the clarification is necessary, since presumably the one stronger number there did destroy the lab too.
< 1319319597 879122 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's tied to the amount of reactive stuff in the battery by Faraday's constant, which is 96kC/mol.
< 1319319600 491583 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*)
< 1319319604 95401 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As it is just "strongest (pulsed) magnetic field ever obtained (with explosives) in a laboratory".)
< 1319319621 698 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"strongest (pulsed) magnetic field ever obtained (with explosives) in a laboratory (VNIIEF in Sarov, Russia, 1998)[11]" <-- presumably the lab was destroyed then?
< 1319319651 878363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how do you do it with explosives?
< 1319319682 234459 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This device consists of a generator solenoid (the first cascade) with internal and external diameters of 175 mm and 200 mm respectively and a length of 500 mm, and two internal cascades with diameters of 28×35 mm and 12×17 mm and a length of ~200 mm. One-cascade system of explosive compression, consisting of the main HE-charge with diameters of 360×650 mm, a length of 350 mm and a mass of ~170 kg, steel cylinder-impactor with an external diameter of 356 mm an
< 1319319693 642698 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. and internal HE-charge with diameters of 200×300 mm and a length of 280 mm, is located on the outside of the solenoid. The MC-1 generator solenoid is powered with a current of 4-5 MA. MC-1 generator operation time (without powering time and HE-charge detonation time) is about 15 μs, maximum liner implosion velocity is more than 6 km/s, the magnetic field derivative reaches values of ~5 1013 Gs/s. The diameter of the final field volume is 24 mm, its length
< 1319319693 715217 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ~100 mm"
< 1319319697 210354 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like that, apparently.
< 1319319707 696625 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319319735 857308 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I
< 1319319755 851152 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm* just wondering how the explosion leads to magnetism. Physically I mean
< 1319319781 802708 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moving components at a high enough speed to generate a field, it seems.
< 1319319814 772624 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(How big is the B-field vector in, say, a gamma ray photon, though?)
< 1319319871 392506 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C69E.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319320038 185218 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1319320042 766331 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, interesting point
< 1319320081 994017 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319320185 382468 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not actually sure if it's possible to work it out.
< 1319320274 393809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1319320281 634756 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no physics expert though
< 1319320328 134026 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1319320334 530060 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lot of things that make magnetic fields o.o
< 1319320358 218581 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, duh, it's variable.
< 1319320359 165505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance: magnets.
< 1319320376 780612 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like pushing water through a cylinder, or a moon-sized sphere of 30 million psi iron rotating inside of an ocean of molten iron and nickel
< 1319320403 70900 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pushing water through a cylinder does not, to my knowledge, produce a magnetic field.
< 1319320413 820736 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh
< 1319320416 109306 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read it somewhere
< 1319320452 371416 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ah
< 1319320453 415820 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's diamagnetic, so I'm pretty sure it wouldn't.
< 1319320562 993719 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → crappier part of Ireland^W this village.

< 1319320566 273784 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1319321323 789215 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7725.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319321364 233733 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319321380 835368 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319321411 594200 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1319321426 10667 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wiki spam
< 1319321436 354453 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nose!
< 1319321450 685190 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the captchas are sinking!
< 1319321452 975590 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh Big Nose in the Sky.
< 1319321493 811178 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :zangband vs adom ?
< 1319321542 617297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: deleted
< 1319321547 875869 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hurrah!
< 1319321761 351250 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords $ repeat "spam" `interleave` cycle ["wonderful", "tasty"] `interleave` repeat "spam"
< 1319321762 337936 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "spam spam wonderful spam spam spam tasty spam spam spam wonderful spam spa...
< 1319321798 304505 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: you are not spammy enough
< 1319321889 733226 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t replicateM
< 1319321890 880132 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a. (Monad m) => Int -> m a -> m [a]
< 1319321901 688293 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log replicateM
< 1319321910 86727 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@log replicateM
< 1319321910 762889 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: bug do let msg yow
< 1319321927 378177 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-07-17.txt:13:49:22:  there are probably many sets of interesting strings you could construct with the [0..] >>= (`replicateM` alphabet)  thing.
< 1319321997 501289 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my.
< 1319322005 249185 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yow
< 1319322006 76307 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't find fortune file
< 1319322007 85354 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : zangband vs adom ? <-- nethack
< 1319322013 456045 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :naaa
< 1319322021 626532 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, hack!
< 1319322024 292855 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :rouge!
< 1319322042 746867 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ntoo spartan
< 1319322052 408792 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, Slash'EM then
< 1319322060 660745 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a GUI frontend and fancy tileset
< 1319322070 751184 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, you can't get less spartan than that
< 1319322102 462725 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear i think they got (co)pumpkin http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2011-October/096262.html
< 1319322102 891035 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t alphabet
< 1319322103 523114 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `alphabet'
< 1319322155 993195 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [0..] >>= (`replicateM` ['a'..'z'])
< 1319322156 921791 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["","a","b","c","d","e","f","g","h","i","j","k","l","m","n","o","p","q","r"...
< 1319322184 351521 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A too ...y example there.
< 1319322198 742766 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [0..] >>= (`replicateM` ['a'..'b'])
< 1319322199 522923 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["","a","b","aa","ab","ba","bb","aaa","aab","aba","abb","baa","bab","bba","...
< 1319322200 633255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ...y?
< 1319322202 735050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1319322213 262610 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. all strings in that alphabet, I see
< 1319322231 898592 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ['a'..'z']
< 1319322232 4635 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's now time to flood my base as I fuck up pressure stuff.
< 1319322232 393193 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"
< 1319322253 96663 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: hey it happens to the best of evil overlords
< 1319322269 550131 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if I install a door.
< 1319322273 594489 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I won't flood my base
< 1319322279 584240 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, nevermind.
< 1319322280 888599 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :genius!
< 1319322292 117673 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319322335 847421 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: DF?
< 1319322340 560568 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: DF?
< 1319322347 135777 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: IRL?
< 1319322349 324542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bd_: DF?
< 1319322361 801810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah I think it's IRL guys
< 1319322365 893368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to spend more time here
< 1319322370 107002 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1319322390 157127 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah currently working on my IRL water system.
< 1319322398 457795 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :complete with floodgates, levels, and cisterns.
< 1319322403 466069 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*levers
< 1319322411 494212 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRL?
< 1319322412 231058 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and self-destruct button.
< 1319322416 438051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: in real life
< 1319322422 704355 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: remember, water loses pressure when flowing diagonally IRL as well!
< 1319322425 740151 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<.<
< 1319322454 967128 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually going to use a pump system for that, I don't remember why.
< 1319322457 102156 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: how big it is?
< 1319322464 327205 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno yet.
< 1319322464 774858 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it?*
< 1319322495 589740 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure my drain is working. maybe it's taking a long time?
< 1319322513 928395 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe when I divert sourced water it too becomes sourced water or something?
< 1319322514 670367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah water is pretty slow, irl i mean
< 1319322533 579901 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :particularly if you have a channel only one dragon wide
< 1319322535 123358 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the drain in spain is a lousy refrain
< 1319322542 516131 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't plaid DF in a while
< 1319322550 329074 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it kind of stopped moving, perhaps it doesn't have flow anymore?
< 1319322555 398488 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't striped it either
< 1319322557 763445 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I had a thought today, and I'd like to know if it's a bad thought.
< 1319322565 906825 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes it is
< 1319322569 532874 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay.
< 1319322570 390751 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just about to say
< 1319322583 803196 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: If it's a single-width channel it will take a _very_ long time to flow any significant distance.
< 1319322595 690632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bd_: "one dragon"?
< 1319322608 411162 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But carry on, evincar
< 1319322614 38458 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bd_: single width channel as in z-level right? the aqueduct itself is 3 spaces wide, but the downward slopes are only 3-width channel each.
< 1319322615 137633 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1319322618 980928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: were you just about to say that too
< 1319322632 356322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: yes z-level is totally width
< 1319322633 21809 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C69E.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319322643 978451 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I was working on a concatenative language, which was turning into Yet Another Forth.
< 1319322646 729036 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I was thinking width of the path it's flowing through.
< 1319322662 370486 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're going down levels a single hollowed-out shaft is probably fastest
< 1319322665 893946 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I was thinking of alternate structures to use instead of stacks.
< 1319322680 55536 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I figured linked-lists, with two special values: "top" and "persistent top".
< 1319322682 68274 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: DF squares are exactly the same size as a dragon, or a mouse, or any number of any other creature, apparently.
< 1319322691 221639 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Operations always work on the leftmost "top".
< 1319322703 95169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bd_: well, sure :P
< 1319322703 785939 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terms to the right of a top aren't evaluated.
< 1319322733 427123 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "evincar's idea is going to be bad" premonition
< 1319322734 900989 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas tops are replaced by stack operations, persistent tops are merely shifted.
< 1319322744 922897 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bd_: er, how do you dif vertically downwards like that?
< 1319322747 510814 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dig
< 1319322748 499480 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's always at least one persistent top, at the end of the list.
< 1319322769 82479 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ireland
< 1319322770 887581 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: You start at the level one above the bottom. Channel it out. Then go to the next level up. Repeat. Or just use up/down stairwells all the way down.
< 1319322788 630727 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :With tops you can easily implement prefix and infix operations, and with persistent tops you can implement parentheses.
< 1319322809 246838 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: The downside is that this will build up a LOT of pressure at the bottom. Make sure you have a system for draining it for maintenance, and tap diagonally
< 1319322809 850499 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's kinda neat, as it doesn't require macros.
< 1319322825 716728 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have different idea of roguelike game; with many difference. One is that instead of list of race/class, you must type them in because any creature in the game you can make player character too; and with clases there is also too many. If you omit then it will assume "Human Fighter" if entirely blank, "Human" if race is blank, and "No-class" if class is blank.
< 1319322855 178872 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also differences in computation of experience points, item curse, challenge rulesets, spells, etc.
< 1319322885 178406 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the hard part is balancing all those races
< 1319322899 342621 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes duckduckgo is misspelling its own doodle link

< 1319322906 573956 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that hard to modify nethack to allow you to start as some arbitrary other race, but then it tends to be either under or overpowered
< 1319322937 639423 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The more powerful they start, the slower they level
< 1319322990 694253 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but then you need to measure how powerful they are and adjust all that
< 1319322996 972797 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not impossible, it's just a lot of work
< 1319323008 310450 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet, I've struck lemonade
< 1319323009 409797 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/browse_thread/thread/72734f3022b8929c/790c0ee267af9750?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=initpoly#790c0ee267af9750 <-- patch for nethack 3.4.1 that does basically that
< 1319323020 5968 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.4.0 rather
< 1319323034 192042 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bd_: In addition, player characters and non-player character follow all the same rules, using the same data structure to represent them. Ngevd: Yes and that can be done too. However, even if you don't, you can keep scores separately for each one so that you use different challenge whatever you want!! Same thing with classes; the classes can also be unbalanced.
< 1319323073 311137 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I seem to recall that the races and classes in ADOM were not intended to be perfectl balanced either)
< 1319323094 630498 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what I would like to see?
< 1319323105 864513 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A multiplayer version of NetHack
< 1319323110 192399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: as old as the sun
< 1319323113 657224 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay
< 1319323120 121300 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what else I would like to see?
< 1319323136 540548 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A version of me who could actually play NetHack
< 1319323149 141255 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what I would like to see?
< 1319323152 655738 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Does Nethack use the same data structures for PCs and NPCs? If not, it seem it will have a lot of trouble working multiplayers at all.
< 1319323155 786052 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A new version of nethack sometime this century :)
< 1319323164 86437 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I have no idea
< 1319323166 691479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with multiplayer nethack is time, as everyone knows.
< 1319323175 644477 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nope, and it assumes it's turn-based and synchronous _everywhere_
< 1319323183 39110 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to rewrite it from scratch
< 1319323197 535116 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, time; but you can make a turn-based, possibly a simultaneous turn-based.
< 1319323209 774482 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bd_: You can have each level having its own time, I suppose.
< 1319323219 124275 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's too much code that assumes there's only one player though
< 1319323228 980384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't ais523 doing something with acehack about that?
< 1319323237 686402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/some/ kind of coop roguelike, anyway
< 1319323251 187472 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's been done with some variant of angband
< 1319323260 64575 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, it's still early spring and I've lost an expedition leader
< 1319323263 38716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was working on a multiplayer AceHack, yes
< 1319323265 385021 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAngband
< 1319323269 811727 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that people in different levels are making actions independently of others; but if you move up/down the stairs, you must wait for the next turn before continuing.
< 1319323271 841954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't finished nor even playable yet, though
< 1319323277 578903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bd_: acehack is quite a bit more like nethack, though :P
< 1319323283 963248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's done by using multiple processes, and each process thinks a different person is the lone PC
< 1319323302 232527 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and then some really hairy synchronization between them? :)
< 1319323310 164691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1319323395 11027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: I was working on a multiplayer AceHack, yes <-- that is awesome
< 1319323403 917501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how would the interaction work?
< 1319323407 974499 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fun. I guess if someone sits at a Yes/No prompt it hangs things for everyone?
< 1319323409 304231 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrt turn based and so on
< 1319323410 110887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interaction?
< 1319323412 929533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bd_: yes
< 1319323422 912118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: all the players are in the same turn order, while on the same level
< 1319323427 556827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1319323430 789226 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds not at all horribly frustrating
< 1319323431 41313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each level has its own independent turn order
< 1319323441 206428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bd_: well, it's meant for only a few players who are friends
< 1319323445 892448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not massively multiplayer or anything like that
< 1319323448 779017 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319323449 843541 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think each level should have its own independent turn order
< 1319323462 378207 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still sounds frustrating - hit 4, wait wait wait wait wait okay hit 4 again wait wait wait wait wait
< 1319323463 989109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that is a good idea
< 1319323471 30365 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because then one player could starve to death while another player thinks about hitting a grid bug
< 1319323477 476 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: looking at your Luigi page, i wish to note that the wolfram 2,3-TM is not directly applicable to proving most languages TC, since it requires infinite setup
< 1319323500 60017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we told him that already
< 1319323509 773214 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1319323564 43342 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds it in the logs

< 1319324187 698653 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 QUIT :Quit: goodnight
< 1319324305 67239 :TeruFSX2!~quassel@168-103-56-2.dlth.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1319324400 124574 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess since no one objected, my idea isn't complete crap.
< 1319324407 559123 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'ma go implement that.
< 1319324433 217389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it was too crap to comment on
< 1319325252 677377 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah my pipe isn't flowing all the way to the edge of the map
< 1319325264 726918 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just things out and takes eons to evaporate.
< 1319325269 575635 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thins out
< 1319325345 88805 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess my drain needs to actually be some kind of pump system.
< 1319325695 2184 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone signed my other email up for notices from CARE.org
< 1319325695 965421 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.-.
< 1319325707 206165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: but you don't care about spam
< 1319325745 394887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: check the headers for an unsubscribe link; if they have one, use it
< 1319325815 861272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: unsubscribe links are not usually in headers...
< 1319325822 570785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes they are
< 1319325826 727631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :list-unsubscribe: URL
< 1319325836 411599 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a link at the bottom of the page
< 1319325847 732105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you have clearly never received spammy newsletters ebfore
< 1319325848 496356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :before
< 1319325879 844451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know, because I told my boss about header checking recently, and he picked a spammy newsletter to test it on
< 1319325885 859482 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there even a way to view message headers in thunderbird
< 1319325888 576463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then saw the unsubscribe link, followed it, and actually unsubscribed
< 1319325921 411096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319325949 46117 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"View source" in Thunderbird, wasn't it? Haven't used it in a while.
< 1319325975 357602 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319325985 781046 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :view -> message source
< 1319326059 830875 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah there's no list-unsubscribe
< 1319326110 758011 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 7.0.1/20110928134238]
< 1319326160 847282 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, there is one in the email from this hotel chain.
< 1319326169 822187 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no list-headers in this Disneyland spam I get after having been there once.
< 1319326278 718325 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, this one message has a header named "KEY" containing the value "Value".
< 1319326316 844102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319326340 95858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is pretty hilarious
< 1319326361 336055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if you can iterate over the entire symbol table in Perl
< 1319326362 492492 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1319326365 988777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is yes, but I don't know how
< 1319326382 569044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :use that to put $*hash{key} = 'Value' for every hash
< 1319326827 802332 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, was ais or someone from Cambridge? At this event today we had a Cambridgean (Cambridgeous?) mathematician showing off an authentic Enigma.
< 1319326851 842390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :birmingham
< 1319326871 841641 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I is really bad at remembering such things.
< 1319326880 506077 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard "Cantabridgean", but that is likely only applicable to Cambridge, MA.
< 1319326893 396463 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It always seems to be some sort of a ham.
< 1319326969 185827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cantabrigian is an adjective denoting "of, or pertaining to Cambridge", that is, of the University of Cambridge or of the city of Cambridge, England."
< 1319326970 114880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: nope
< 1319327056 600418 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, well: it also applies to Cambridge, MA.
< 1319327092 651328 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cambrian mathematicians are such trilobites
< 1319327385 808822 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319327398 295382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319327785 624075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ouch
< 1319327835 97198 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, strange m->n in "Cantabridgean"
< 1319327868 451975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wait until you hear the one for Oxford students: Oxonian
< 1319327877 401198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The term is derived from Oxonia, the Latin form of Oxenford or Oxford."
< 1319327878 655602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1319327885 75205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The term is derived from Cantabrigia, a medieval Latin name for Cambridge invented on the basis of the Anglo-Saxon name Cantebrigge. (The actual Roman name for Cambridge was Duroliponte.)"
< 1319327896 765405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay, that makes sense
< 1319327909 628921 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some values of sense
< 1319327944 942967 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so actually they should be called Duroliponts or some such?
< 1319327953 498702 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :drollipoints
< 1319327959 911714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :duroliponteans :P
< 1319327963 884791 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1319327969 698266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like oerjan's version
< 1319327975 928792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was joking
< 1319327985 539551 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which bit?
< 1319327988 490735 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"duroliponteans"?
< 1319328017 579110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1319328020 771646 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay
< 1319328029 272387 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile i was absolutely, 100% certified serious.
< 1319328033 581903 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :English: because word formation should be nontrivial.
< 1319328042 746614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, damn right.
< 1319328052 882344 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :when even natives can't figure it out
< 1319328080 993527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I mean, as a non-native speaker I expect I wouldn't be good at it. But I find that native speakers are not much better at it than me.
< 1319328087 238684 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, vestigial grammar is fun.
< 1319328108 992965 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Swedish however it is usually quite easy to form new words
< 1319328128 766592 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what does that mean?
< 1319328133 706933 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance: English features Germanic strong verbs. Barely.
< 1319328141 7640 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1319328141 792873 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We call them "irregular".
< 1319328145 148733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1319328159 548448 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because there's not many strong verbs left.
< 1319328176 77692 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, they are quite irregular though. There is no pattern to them.
< 1319328182 946051 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they mostly died during the plague
< 1319328192 55411 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that
< 1319328201 616212 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter how careful I am. sieges always end in huge clusterfucks.
< 1319328210 401871 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, some game?
< 1319328216 321827 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, there is a pattern. Due to the infrequency of them, the pattern has ceased to be readily apparent to speakers.
< 1319328216 674897 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :df.
< 1319328218 597623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: agreed, just ask agora :P
< 1319328229 718879 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, easy. Trap defence is best. But also quite boring
< 1319328237 549003 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fling flang flung
< 1319328239 947069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trap defence doesn't really solve sieges
< 1319328241 625537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they just stand there
< 1319328243 350650 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, there must be a lot of variants to the pattern then.
< 1319328244 465762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :works for ambushes
< 1319328247 861396 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it doesn't help that there's 6 classes of strong verb, each with their own conjugation rules.
< 1319328251 422872 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :spim spam spum
< 1319328254 956387 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes they usually just stand there
< 1319328258 354107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, trap the *entire* maåp
< 1319328259 866133 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :map*
< 1319328264 607253 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I've been doing at that point is setting up ballistas and killing them from afar
< 1319328266 222721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: practical
< 1319328269 877919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: waste of time
< 1319328272 971488 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.
< 1319328277 532912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: just use danger rooms :P
< 1319328279 272337 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, but the result should be hilarious
< 1319328296 364545 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's a feature common to all West Germanic languages, but only really noteworthy historically, and in modern German and Dutch.
< 1319328302 266811 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I actually want to trap the entire border of the map with serrated glass disks or such once.
< 1319328315 7361 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : lost about 20 people in that one.
< 1319328322 947985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: you're doin it wrong
< 1319328323 484048 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is *not* in Afrikaans)
< 1319328329 899002 :ive!~nn@189.254.85.241 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1319328330 464212 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yeah, Swedish have irregular verbs too I think. Can't think of any example atm
< 1319328340 621737 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, why Afrikaans in particular
< 1319328353 11593 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :synge sang sunget
< 1319328365 954781 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, sing?
< 1319328368 273847 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it seems that no matter how many "hey don't pick shit up orders " I set
< 1319328369 300812 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Afrikaans has just lost strong verbs.
< 1319328374 98758 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :civilians end up swarming onto battlefields
< 1319328374 376574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sjung sjöng sjungit
< 1319328376 808155 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah irregular
< 1319328379 634663 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's what it means
< 1319328398 662202 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :skrive skrev skrevet
< 1319328401 921336 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what do you call the craziness with "to be"
< 1319328413 49478 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, am, are, is and so on
< 1319328432 445509 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er var vært
< 1319328436 81948 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that
< 1319328443 180843 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what is the third form?
< 1319328446 70591 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that one
< 1319328449 133419 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :är var varit?
< 1319328455 138847 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err. No?
< 1319328456 944299 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I *think* that's a carry-over from the Scandinavian languages?
< 1319328460 920345 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1319328461 857096 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. North Germanic.
< 1319328464 466813 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i assume
< 1319328467 311609 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, we don't have that these days at least
< 1319328482 718241 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, we just use "är" for first person, second person and so on
< 1319328499 650301 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be we (sensibly) lost that
< 1319328505 825529 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe it was "ek em" in norse.  even the icelandic have lost some of it
< 1319328512 994835 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319328560 901027 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, also
< 1319328568 300733 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it when I try to build things in mass some of it gets suspended.
< 1319328581 705547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad planning
< 1319328599 991495 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1319328610 988666 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, resources needed for other constructions are under a construction that is planned before it
< 1319328615 200440 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that suspends for example
< 1319328624 662625 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, building is basically a stack
< 1319328633 52355 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so start with whatever you want to be built last
< 1319328650 322340 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just trying to build a large wall.
< 1319328667 348821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, are there stones under it? that could be used to build different parts of the same wall?
< 1319328670 164386 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, there you are
< 1319328689 155459 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't /think/ so.
< 1319328718 205667 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah. Part of it seems to be that English lost almost all of its case system.
< 1319328737 965549 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is now a vestigial feature in its pronouns)
< 1319328744 566527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, idea: wall the entire map, as close to the border as possible. Leave a long trap filled path in to the trading post
< 1319328782 501525 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language change does confusing things.
< 1319328784 506135 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if hilly terrain: cut off (by deramping) the edge to split it in many sections you can't walk between.
< 1319328787 991509 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yeah
< 1319328793 923776 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.....wtf my manager died
< 1319328796 823377 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY
< 1319328802 497747 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : so start with whatever you want to be built last <-- dwarfs are so logical
< 1319328804 893615 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you stupidly rush out into battles.
< 1319328806 936371 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq,
< 1319328807 286544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: rip
< 1319328813 46658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: why is he part of your military
< 1319328820 860831 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq,* you still have the s for third persons on verbs. Swedish don't have that at all.
< 1319328839 994476 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he's not dude.
< 1319328859 820191 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: he got hemorrhoids.  really nasty ones.
< 1319328862 534619 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember how I said civilians keep rushing into battles even though I turn off all the auto-gather stuff?
< 1319328870 845306 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have two persons able to do the manager work. Because the manager goes to sleep when I need him most.
< 1319328938 575428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :  so start with whatever you want to be built last <-- dwarfs are so logical <-- it actually makes sense. What if you need to urgently do a construction right now? then if you had a queue you would have to clear it out. With a stack it is easier
< 1319328946 623810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course a deque would be even better
< 1319328989 659331 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :" skrive skrev skrevet" - Skrive wrote the scrotum?
< 1319329001 394222 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, XD
< 1319329010 898477 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well yes it's actually ambiguous in norwegian
< 1319329017 699307 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :different tone though
< 1319329017 777521 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1319329064 807504 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if that was the way we wrote it, I think it would have a different tone in swedish too
< 1319329110 649049 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :today's wikipedia "In the news" looks strangely synchronistic.  four items about people or things coming to an end, followed by an item about a book named "The Sense of an Ending".
< 1319329121 214353 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, how could it be a different tone in Swedish? We don't have "skrevet" as ambiguous.
< 1319329166 893203 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess it could be a tone of wtfness at that interpretation
< 1319329183 997037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: things on the wp main page are rarely coincidences :P
< 1319329197 216721 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. "Skrive skrev skrevet" *almost* looks like English nonsense.
< 1319329201 614243 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: shush you infidel unbeliever
< 1319329224 711535 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Skrive skrove skrevets" looks a bit better.
< 1319329233 831896 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the coincidence is all those things ending in the same week
< 1319329251 629428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, are those actual English words?
< 1319329253 637519 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think 'skrevet' has the different tone already, so it's more like another word spelled the same way would usually have the normal tone
< 1319329254 447598 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No.
< 1319329272 29419 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, there are 5 things coming to and end. And the book stuck between the last too
< 1319329273 970143 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :two*
< 1319329279 160777 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But it parses to me as "English sentence composed of 3 words I don't know".
< 1319329279 474607 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1319329311 538566 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, heh
< 1319329312 629431 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... it's all in the skroving of the skrevets
< 1319329327 363149 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-194.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319329333 248907 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that is almost Swedish, skrov = hull (of a boat)
< 1319329344 503233 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :skrovet would be "the hull"
< 1319329362 88310 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Skrive" sounds like an Norwegian name
< 1319329369 728819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "skrevets", well, drop the s
< 1319329370 842077 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "Skrive skrove a skrevet" for singular "skrevet".
< 1319329391 886602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, à would work I guess.
< 1319329399 402337 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not for English
< 1319329427 436182 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it would for English
< 1319329433 671818 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the "each" sense
< 1319329435 521058 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, English doesn't really handle singular/plural quite that way...
< 1319329473 77188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, just learn Swedish or Norwegian and do Scandinavian nonsense instead :D
< 1319329473 380802 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there are normal skrevets, and special skrove skrevets for skroving... and for some reason the skrove skrevets need skriving
< 1319329488 278192 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ouch :P
< 1319329496 82889 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319329514 833635 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fru ibsens ripsbusker og andre sjuksköterskar
< 1319329517 439913 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Also possible. But I was interpreting "Skrive" as a name.
< 1319329522 253153 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure works as an imperative, though.
< 1319329523 943219 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm definitely fucked if there's another siege.
< 1319329528 522504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hm skrovning would work in Swedish. The act of hulling a boat I guess
< 1319329551 772099 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1319329554 895904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ripsbusker?
< 1319329563 100223 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, some form of shrub?
< 1319329573 436593 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, better. "Skrive" works just fine as a verb, with past tense "skrove", gerund "skroving".
< 1319329580 215398 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, with red sour berries
< 1319329589 455746 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I read that as "Lady Ibsen's rip-shrubs and other nurses"
< 1319329598 558025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't make a whole lot of sense
< 1319329603 175439 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, "Skrive skrove skrevets" would parse as "Hull hulled hulls", I think.
< 1319329614 199623 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something.
< 1319329615 955310 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, in which language?
< 1319329628 434934 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: English with a verb "skrive".
< 1319329647 445328 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I cannot make myself handle in any way *but* as an "irregular" verb.
< 1319329647 728964 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, skriv is related to write, skrov is related to hull. So Maybe Write hull writes?
< 1319329660 155145 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not really sure I get the diagonal flow thing.
< 1319329662 13245 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what would make sense for "skrevet"?
< 1319329675 945841 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just means likee... shift the aquedact diagonally on a horizontal level?
< 1319329682 949575 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Skrove" to me parses as a past tense of "skrive".
< 1319329684 984765 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it wasn't meant to make sense, it was a norwegian tongue-twister seguing into a swedish one
< 1319329688 933586 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, well skrevet = the scrotum
< 1319329694 622382 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, hm
< 1319329704 846200 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. So, "Write written scrotums"?
< 1319329720 481048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, I'm so confused by now. No idea.
< 1319329730 667112 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: skrive is cognate to scribe, i believe
< 1319329742 159350 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that would be "skrive skriven skrevets"...
< 1319329752 811316 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, what are you doing?
< 1319329764 859959 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Messing around.
< 1319329770 806893 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, carry on
< 1319329781 678933 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to treat "skrive" as a verb and see what happens.
< 1319329824 122072 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, yeah, well, I'm not a native speaker. Kind of hard for me to do that in English. And it wouldn't work in Swedish due to the e at the end.
< 1319329826 790768 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And finding it interesting that my natural inclination is to go with an irregular conjugation.
< 1319329841 557511 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, anyway skriva (the Swedish variant) is irregular
< 1319329858 493355 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: vinbär, apparently
< 1319329863 183815 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh okay
< 1319329915 168705 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. "skrive" fits the pattern for a class 1 strong verb, hence why I'm treating it that way without thinking about it.
< 1319329941 231209 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(other examples in English: "ride/rode/ridden", "write/wrote/written", "shine/shone/shone")
< 1319329981 538479 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what with the modern ability to record audio and video, do you think that pronunciation will start to change slower in the future?
< 1319330015 276491 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, so skrive skrove skridden?
< 1319330023 120539 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16495819/help.png  am I doin' it right?
< 1319330031 839926 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is for a 3-width channel
< 1319330034 37642 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Skrive/skrove/skriven" is how I'm getting it.
< 1319330039 951561 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By analogy with "drive/drove/driven".
< 1319330045 322903 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, no, the GTK+ theme is the wrong one
< 1319330059 202164 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: im 'spicious u theory
< 1319330065 130070 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dive dove diven
< 1319330074 750881 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, any df water experts here?
< 1319330087 395153 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well that is spelling (or lack of it) rather than pronunciation
< 1319330090 855188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: jiggy is a stupid name
< 1319330092 220981 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :diven sounds a bit weird
< 1319330096 356076 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I specifically asked about pronunciation
< 1319330101 528290 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Yeah.
< 1319330101 847523 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did som,eone name someone jiggY? that's a bAd name
< 1319330107 882088 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :can everyone please stop paying attention to things that aren't related to my question. :P
< 1319330116 451713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also clean up your panel
< 1319330123 92367 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh, skeype
< 1319330123 257811 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah it is a mess
< 1319330136 172630 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think by "mess" you mean perfectly organized.
< 1319330147 906461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, also why 3 terminal windows? Have you tried tabs in the terminal emulator?
< 1319330156 472604 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :... -_-
< 1319330156 940916 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, 4
< 1319330168 961586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: also, change your name, adam is a stupid name
< 1319330179 71209 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELP. WATER. FLOODING FORTS.
< 1319330180 583667 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that "maria"?
< 1319330184 432917 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :AM I DOING IT RIGHT?
< 1319330192 312255 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine's "okay"
< 1319330196 578861 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's....okay
< 1319330198 566963 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: could be mari or marie as well
< 1319330209 65813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, is the green one the memory meter?
< 1319330212 478401 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be mario
< 1319330213 626006 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows
< 1319330215 732041 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes
< 1319330230 560732 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I trust cakeprophet wouldn't name it mario. that would just be bad.
< 1319330231 913536 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-150.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319330233 52150 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, you need more RAM. Too much of it used. Unless most is disk cache
< 1319330238 42874 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..................................
< 1319330239 929943 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seem to be using a gui file manager too, that can't be good
< 1319330241 263237 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't
< 1319330241 712352 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :care
< 1319330242 323862 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :about
< 1319330242 743675 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :any
< 1319330245 53369 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :of
< 1319330247 556798 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that
< 1319330256 244942 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 hour clock? seriously?
< 1319330264 322692 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I'm an American.
< 1319330264 642804 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah wtf about that
< 1319330271 302863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that relevant
< 1319330279 199905 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: ... you wanted to know whether you were "doing it right", we're answering
< 1319330282 144410 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I am accustomed to 12-hour clocks?
< 1319330282 410933 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, also wlan? Not ethernet?
< 1319330302 224363 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-150.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All this discussion of English irregular verbs makes me really freaking glad that Japanese is more regular.
< 1319330305 743698 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I'm specifically asking
< 1319330310 744241 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if this diagonal arrangement
< 1319330312 708461 :numero!numero@91.191.9.94 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319330314 388933 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing im japanese
< 1319330314 474357 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what df wiki is talking about.
< 1319330320 516556 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, answer: no
< 1319330326 554419 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what does it mean?
< 1319330331 629343 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-150.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Oh, then you got fucked learning English. Congrats. :P
< 1319330333 287906 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it actually means
< 1319330340 972851 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i jest
< 1319330341 969624 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, you know, shift-prtscreen would have saved you all this
< 1319330347 53326 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-150.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured.
< 1319330364 929205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, the corridor wideness must be like this
< 1319330365 734606 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, my computer looks different from yours.
< 1319330366 296053 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :x
< 1319330368 225020 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : x
< 1319330370 264319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi numero
< 1319330370 531995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah
< 1319330371 525048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :X
< 1319330371 597097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome
< 1319330372 671529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : X
< 1319330374 187385 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :X
< 1319330375 537209 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :X
< 1319330376 975497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : X
< 1319330377 477275 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1319330378 160402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there
< 1319330380 537638 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, see?
< 1319330382 474291 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :....no
< 1319330388 190353 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :X
< 1319330394 70417 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, not using monospace font?
< 1319330395 201686 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for irc
< 1319330395 888249 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-194.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319330399 973431 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not then it is your own issue
< 1319330402 86304 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no I am.
< 1319330415 555864 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't get what you mean. 1-tile wide?
< 1319330428 447660 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, well it must be a proper diagonal. As in 0 tiles wide at the very corner
< 1319330437 673202 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1319330448 544998 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :can  you like....
< 1319330458 147560 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :screenshot a designation in df so I can visualize this.
< 1319330486 527508 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I think I get the diagonalness, but...
< 1319330492 487177 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you maintain the same flow?
< 1319330494 603481 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I can't run df on the computer I'm on atm
< 1319330502 963426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, you want to cut away the pressure right?
< 1319330503 97628 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :atms make poor computers.
< 1319330506 647300 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :most are written in Java.
< 1319330511 47011 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: correct.
< 1319330545 79375 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :most are written in Java? I thought they all used OS/2 and Presentation Manager
< 1319330563 317402 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be REXX
< 1319330571 907675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, something like this would work (> is water flow direction, # is solid wall)
< 1319330573 66806 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XXXXXX
< 1319330573 224146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> X
< 1319330573 296850 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :>  X
< 1319330573 297040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> X
< 1319330573 297146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XXXXXX
< 1319330574 160161 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: data constructor `X'
< 1319330574 319637 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: data constructor `X'
< 1319330574 391769 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: data constructor `X'
< 1319330579 237850 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err X is solid wall
< 1319330585 886959 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1319330588 938485 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is the... space.
< 1319330599 544366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, in the corners
< 1319330631 774828 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, there are god damn illustrations at http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Pressure#Diagonal_Flow
< 1319330635 277260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't you look there
< 1319330637 318920 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so the width is irrelevant?
< 1319330641 568398 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I did
< 1319330644 633059 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand the diagram.
< 1319330646 238276 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks to me
< 1319330650 399523 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that there is a diagonally wall
< 1319330653 392585 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, anyway it would need to be 2 wide I guess
< 1319330658 560090 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would just block everything.
< 1319330672 374804 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, there is. But it doesn't block water. Water can flow diagonally
< 1319330681 538960 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.....ooooooooooooh.
< 1319330684 588026 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see.
< 1319330692 496842 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, same as iirc dwarves can go diagonally. Unless I'm confusing it with nethack
< 1319330717 730119 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it recommends using one more diagonal than the width of the channel
< 1319330723 121841 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, anyway the graphics on screen is only a representation of a complex FSA.
< 1319330724 381063 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how that works. I guess I just widen it at that segment.
< 1319330749 896525 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, it is just that water flows quite slowly through a not very wide one
< 1319330761 659990 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, so using a 3 wide like in the picture is faster
< 1319330776 189004 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :an 1 wide one is going to take bloody ages
< 1319330939 812258 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319330949 600426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, maybe you looked at the image but you didn't read
< 1319330951 875982 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Liquids moving via pressure can only move to orthogonally adjacent tiles. When faced with a diagonal gap, pressure will fail to move the liquid, forcing the liquid to instead spread out. By forcing fluids through a diagonal connection you can prevent pressure from propagating past a certain point. "
< 1319330954 313048 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift+prntscr doesn't seem to create a dialog. does it just copypaste?
< 1319330970 803205 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I read it I just uh, wasn't understanding it.
< 1319330984 338040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, for me it does the dialogue and just takes the current window
< 1319330987 778135 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm using xfce
< 1319330991 683665 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it meant if water moved diagonally it magically stopped having pressure, which I'm pretty sure it says.
< 1319330992 372804 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is different in gnome
< 1319331003 945546 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was misunderstanding how water flows diagonally.
< 1319331016 409538 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it meant if water moved diagonally it magically stopped having pressure, which I'm pretty sure it says. <-- yep
< 1319331026 253388 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it's meta
< 1319331029 454217 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not shift for me
< 1319331049 114699 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1319331066 341101 :numero!numero@91.191.9.94 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1319331070 664592 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16495819/BecauseSomePeopleAreJerks.png
< 1319331073 605145 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then like this I believe.
< 1319331100 199639 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, anyway with wider than the current corridor it means that the corridor should widen at the point of the diagonal and then go back to the less wide version after
< 1319331115 809347 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, but yes that should work, slightly slow though
< 1319331120 346724 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using this as a well so I really think 3-wide is already overkill.
< 1319331142 857720 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, remember to have >=2 deep at the point of the well or you will get dirty water
< 1319331148 863179 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which cause an unhappy thought
< 1319331152 440240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: your window buttons are on the wrong side
< 1319331168 399841 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not at all!
< 1319331170 346602 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: incorrect.
< 1319331181 703355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: you shouldn't have window decorations in the first place
< 1319331184 657642 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :protip: people like different UI configurations.
< 1319331187 867603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, your DF window is the wrong size
< 1319331190 276340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you smell funny
< 1319331194 146495 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-116-1.web.vodafone.de QUIT :Quit: Ex-Chat
< 1319331194 574920 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are the wrong colours though
< 1319331205 161269 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on, orange button on dark grey
< 1319331217 210745 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :naff
< 1319331242 800637 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, also you have a combat report to read says df. And a sparring report.
< 1319331242 916138 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it looks nice.
< 1319331246 834356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more than one
< 1319331249 71673 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of each
< 1319331252 225912 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just of one of them
< 1319331263 620939 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, the C and the R on the left side that is
< 1319331272 210169 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indicates combat and sparring reports to read
< 1319331294 9614 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :moment of truth. time to dig into my cistern.
< 1319331335 879662 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually wait I'll make a floodgate first.:P
< 1319331341 674799 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah good idea
< 1319331351 179098 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I already have everything closed by doors
< 1319331358 99412 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just won't be able to fix it if I mess it up.
< 1319331382 575905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :flood gates are good
< 1319331451 567729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, anyway, above-ground fort made out of moulded obsidian is better
< 1319331539 940619 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, with underground tunnels to archer towers
< 1319331628 603633 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, oh and you should play Kobold Camp
< 1319331700 624575 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=70558.0
< 1319331829 604846 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.......oh fuck.
< 1319331836 955163 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my best swordsman / milita captain
< 1319331843 656027 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is tantrumming now.
< 1319331844 906366 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he has
< 1319331851 125363 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a steel long sword.
< 1319331855 765640 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the only one.
< 1319331859 630803 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone else has copper stuff.
< 1319331891 897634 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in the exact same instant that he started tantruming, someone else died. :P
< 1319331936 671568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1319331943 558790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, you need happier dwarves
< 1319331959 245058 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, masterwork engravings in the dining hall
< 1319331975 126633 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I had some
< 1319331978 807837 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all were masterwork I think.
< 1319331982 442383 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, adamantine statutes
< 1319331990 878395 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yeah okay
< 1319331993 442382 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't go wrong with masterwork adamantine statutes
< 1319331994 336777 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is gold good enough
< 1319331997 749828 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1319332003 489497 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I already have plenty of those.
< 1319332005 560871 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, my dwarves party all the time it seems
< 1319332012 337790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, nice bedrooms
< 1319332021 9031 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 hour days
< 1319332030 720258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of food and booze
< 1319332044 70597 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(drop the 6 hour day one)
< 1319332065 74876 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you would end up like Greece)
< 1319332177 73567 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1319332455 678903 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1319333449 112350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like parts of IIS runs in the NT kernel
< 1319333451 607811 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how weird
< 1319335260 447649 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :awww yeah I have a fishing room
< 1319335312 771378 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319335551 236983 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1319335807 606431 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1319336198 618884 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :artifact... mechanism?
< 1319336875 606514 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :conveniently enough.
< 1319336879 980086 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :danger rooms are excellent baby killers.
< 1319336888 532388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :use doors, idiot
< 1319336891 985672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION helpful

< 1319337390 687794 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no killing babies is good.
< 1319337418 316633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just use a popcap
< 1319337437 67815 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh what is that.
< 1319338567 544183 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for fucks sake.
< 1319338575 38722 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I turn off everything
< 1319338582 495538 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :remove any sort of reason to go outside
< 1319338592 985658 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then people just wander towards the goblin siegers.
< 1319338595 96314 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand.
< 1319338935 799935 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuuuuugh
< 1319338962 881623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Did you set up an alert?
< 1319338985 410261 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would that do?
< 1319339033 120876 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh.
< 1319339037 581590 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know I could do that.
< 1319339058 604310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's...
< 1319339063 122843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why your troops keep dying.
< 1319339065 892032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And your manager.
< 1319339067 188831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And everyone.
< 1319339237 503484 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow.
< 1319339244 325096 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have like...
< 1319339248 65393 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :two ridiculously good soldiers.
< 1319339256 726825 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just fended off a huge swarm of goblins.
< 1319339293 814090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's DRs for you
< 1319339449 588241 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they both went into martial trance.
< 1319339723 742392 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this fortress is likely a lost cause, as the sieges will only get worse.
< 1319339753 562631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they won't
< 1319339757 21471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they go away after a few
< 1319339759 152282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the point of a siege
< 1319339762 151987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even one, sometimes
< 1319339779 481686 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, I mean
< 1319339780 942722 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :future sieges
< 1319339790 160690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they won't
< 1319339791 834838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you win
< 1319339812 103200 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow these master things.
< 1319339816 365744 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :are very sturdy.
< 1319339849 183335 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mooseheaded dudes.
< 1319339852 315130 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with poison spit or something.
< 1319339869 333356 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is the king of the goblins?
< 1319339875 553963 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if I kill him they might leave me alone?
< 1319339885 511927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1319339910 416016 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the master of the goblins is some kind of moose thing.
< 1319339920 653800 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep that's him
< 1319339930 975002 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lomoth Gogoltacnu Sath Ura  -- master/Moose Demon Administrator
< 1319339977 919442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1319339978 989147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1319339997 955300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that uh
< 1319339998 368510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1319340003 519002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any mods
< 1319340003 687184 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the leader of the goblin civilization near me.
< 1319340005 46479 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1319340010 298287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that
< 1319340013 258724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't a thing that happens
< 1319340015 690038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must be mistaken
< 1319340022 916819 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't done anything extra to this game...
< 1319340037 575473 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure I can kill this thing.
< 1319340048 36021 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much every body part he has is either cut open, broken, or gone.
< 1319340050 456533 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he's still alive.
< 1319340054 897383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you pierce hell dude
< 1319340057 285659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what demons are
< 1319340059 335799 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1319340066 909850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :adamantine
< 1319340069 726533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any adamantine
< 1319340071 156575 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1319340075 716122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :screenshot
< 1319340090 437703 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lost track of him one sec
< 1319340114 527081 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh what kind of screenshot do you want?
< 1319340119 510996 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's a purple ampersand...
< 1319340122 36442 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1319340144 67686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :view him
< 1319340146 52650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and screenshot the whole thing
< 1319340201 178720 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16495819/Screenshot-Dwarf%20Fortress.png
< 1319340203 917570 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fucked aren't I? :P
< 1319340210 519255 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my military is almost gone.
< 1319340216 809218 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no he is definitely the leader of the goblin civilization
< 1319340220 508740 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shows up in the civilization menu thing.
< 1319340237 905636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude
< 1319340242 177788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mooses don't lead civilisations
< 1319340248 281075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it just has the same name
< 1319340249 268869 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS ONE DOES DUDE
< 1319340249 397397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1319340251 914818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sting???
< 1319340255 169634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing is definitely a demon
< 1319340256 75951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I
< 1319340260 593122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: save the game and quit
< 1319340265 607094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the baygames people need to look at this
< 1319340265 679981 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEAH DUDE IT'S A MOOSE DEMON ADMINISTRATOR
< 1319340269 696021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wait
< 1319340310 729526 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they allow things like this on purpose?
< 1319340314 699452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: wait a sec, wait a sec
< 1319340318 680670 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :paused.
< 1319340384 300941 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :he did some kind of knockback thing
< 1319340389 633577 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that killed my best swordsdwarf.
< 1319340400 516257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: irc.newnet.net
< 1319340411 599706 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Quit: Changing server
< 1319340414 452531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1319340415 294415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiot
< 1319340458 139541 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319340662 456560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: ..
< 1319340665 70195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/../.../
< 1319340712 903357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: have you figured out how to use your client
< 1319340747 775283 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1319340752 16713 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not my fault irssi is weird.
< 1319340753 289107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: #bay12games on that server
< 1319340766 150858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask them wtf is going on, provide screenshots of civilisation tab and http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16495819/Screenshot-Dwarf%20Fortress.png
< 1319340837 663104 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snamoz Osnung, "The Hatred of Rhyming"
< 1319340845 837506 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously they do not like that my dwarves are excellent freestylers.
< 1319340852 127629 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have decided to attack me
< 1319340855 162369 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with their moose demon adminstrator.
< 1319340865 762611 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(administrator of pain)
< 1319340906 756490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could be sitting on a valuable glitch, stop messing around and ask :p
< 1319341036 673536 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:35 < adam> Are moose demons supposed to be leaders of goblin civilizations?
< 1319341036 907978 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:36 < adam> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16495819/Screenshot-Dwarf%20Fortress.png
< 1319341036 980481 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:36 < adam> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16495819/CivTab.png
< 1319341036 980681 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:36 -!- Archi [~Archi@NewNet-492A2BF0.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping  timeout]
< 1319341039 707623 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:36 < FFLaguna> Sure
< 1319341044 759634 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good answer.
< 1319341101 68784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: ask them why it's on your map :P
< 1319341169 119345 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: apparently it's completely intentionally
< 1319341170 961851 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a glitch.
< 1319341178 128920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow :P
< 1319341182 836757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know what a moose demon _is_
< 1319341186 298733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess
< 1319341188 100582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the hell demons
< 1319341193 779866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they are all like that
< 1319341194 319112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1319341195 28506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :still
< 1319341196 4311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jee
< 1319341196 503991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :z
< 1319341306 114 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a moose demon is a moose demon dude.
< 1319341307 434615 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :he spits poison
< 1319341312 429111 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah demons are random gen
< 1319341343 137480 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude this battle is taking forever.
< 1319341407 171068 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol he has a crown made of elf nails.
< 1319341415 191233 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an elf hair bracelet.
< 1319341469 263991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doesn't
< 1319341526 237621 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I should release my 12 badger cages.
< 1319341530 607946 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: this is a bad idea)
< 1319341554 157507 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but it really does make sense that a bunch of goblins would come under the influence of a demon.
< 1319341559 561970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a moose demon.
< 1319341561 67677 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not quite sure how he got out of hell.
< 1319341563 546342 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, moose demon.
< 1319341589 305228 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually noticed that earlier
< 1319341597 403506 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I saw "moose demon administrator" I thought it was just a weird title.
< 1319341600 293651 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some goblin dude.
< 1319341603 499977 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. actual moose demon.
< 1319341616 982048 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude if I kill this guy, maybe...
< 1319341620 123707 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there will be no more goblin sieges?
< 1319341630 630238 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably not going to kill this guy)
< 1319341635 510563 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of my good soldiers are dead
< 1319341643 828823 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just conscripting civilizations at this point.
< 1319341670 341528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: yeah uh
< 1319341672 275390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't kill a demon
< 1319341676 148056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not without a really good military
< 1319341676 582195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just
< 1319341678 890271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :leave it alone and hope it leaves
< 1319341691 166221 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh......
< 1319341692 663395 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I...
< 1319341694 162181 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :do that.
< 1319341713 6831 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :disband my military completely?
< 1319341720 718364 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it will leave.
< 1319341726 30055 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wall it off
< 1319341726 102254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just
< 1319341727 69912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is it
< 1319341738 505589 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :demons will break down doors but they won't break down constructed walls
< 1319341751 957771 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can wall off and survive trapped underground
< 1319341762 574587 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some luck the traders will be able to kill it off when they come by next
< 1319341777 267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bd_: you should play rosyarrow if ngevd ever finishes his turn
< 1319341782 168466 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rosyarrow?
< 1319341785 412127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're planning a large-scale invasion of hell
< 1319341791 229528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then walling off its edges
< 1319341791 518410 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear
< 1319341796 244152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and putting the traders there
< 1319341800 156984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :surrounded by demon cages
< 1319341804 261928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is also how we will kill the elves
< 1319341815 767999 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I read somewhere that the hell dimension... shifts?
< 1319341817 961469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :other fun stuff: it's literally on the coast; over half the overground map is sea
< 1319341835 153848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and our well is permanently salty due to a bug
< 1319341846 540852 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixable with a pump, I'd think?
< 1319341851 129326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1319341853 103518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :every tile below sea level
< 1319341856 283253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :becomes salty
< 1319341860 9539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :water tile, that is
< 1319341861 691844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter what
< 1319341864 416385 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... oh.
< 1319341870 296688 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... but above sea level is fine, right?
< 1319341870 786203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dfhack added support to fix it when we found that out
< 1319341873 52834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we haven't ran it yet :p
< 1319341874 736362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bd_: yeah
< 1319341876 42281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1319341878 940968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :above sea level
< 1319341881 222745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i said
< 1319341888 67852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like two thirds+ of the map is water
< 1319341904 603623 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a thread summarizing what's happened so far before I commit to managing some kind of cursed hellhole? >.>
< 1319341915 823250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's called our irc logs
< 1319341919 680672 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319341923 193894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ngevd's turn has lasted like
< 1319341924 716245 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't been idling here that long :)
< 1319341925 153545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a real-world month so far
< 1319341927 727310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he's useless
< 1319341932 798514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bd_: actually, of another channel :p
< 1319341955 423850 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, note, I'm more of the trapping-nobels persuasion than the DF military persuasion. never quite figured out how to get those damn dwarves to actually train. or maybe it was buggy in the last version that I tried <.<
< 1319341955 711427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...anyway, I'd rather we avoided using cave-ins on the demons... which is a rather unpopular position...
< 1319341963 818416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i want to trap as many as possible :p
< 1319341964 680973 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about magma traps?
< 1319341967 926375 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319341969 692622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bd_: we've been dangerrooming indiscriminately
< 1319341974 909289 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about cave-in cage traps?
< 1319341979 965023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cave-in cage traps?
< 1319341984 413972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the plan was to use a GCS to web them
< 1319341989 188106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that they fall into cage traps
< 1319341991 414680 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dangerrooming?
< 1319341998 811707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes we are ultimate cheaters
< 1319342013 232617 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what is dangerrooming?
< 1319342026 997272 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... oh
< 1319342032 553946 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right then.
< 1319342042 300769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319342047 392251 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever. and sadistic.
< 1319342054 264863 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so totally in line with the usual DF playstyle
< 1319342057 592861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :two of our dwarves killed like ten master goblin soldiers
< 1319342059 371839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in seconds
< 1319342060 437878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it thirty
< 1319342063 160932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was thirty
< 1319342084 847678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and the goblins killed the human traders...
< 1319342098 726046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically ten disasters piled on top of each other: the fortress
< 1319342158 211414 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what channel have you been playing this in?
< 1319342170 745235 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... also, do I know you from somewhere other than here? <.<;
< 1319342204 331768 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :he seems to have stopped moving.
< 1319342211 629938 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I've hurt him enough to make that possible.
< 1319342228 751515 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: check his stats?
< 1319342229 918031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: he's just tired
< 1319342241 463958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :give him some rest, he's earned it
< 1319342242 71502 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case it's an excellent opportunity o wall him in.
< 1319342242 964839 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-216-147.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319342304 458024 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :do demons like...
< 1319342306 956872 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :heal rapidly?
< 1319342336 297648 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah some of his wounds have turned into scars.
< 1319342393 5114 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-150.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1319342479 426694 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Can he fly? because if not this is a great time to start channeling out all but one tile of support for a 10 z-level column directly above him...
< 1319342500 167999 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no he can't fly.
< 1319342502 204707 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's a moose, duh.
< 1319342561 663943 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol tantrum time.
< 1319342573 563536 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Fun!
< 1319342648 744791 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :could I perhaps drown him?
< 1319342674 83937 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: if you're going to do that make sure to take proper precautions in case he can swim and breathe underwater
< 1319342705 933710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :precautions are boring
< 1319342719 826330 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm great are precautions.
< 1319342724 218292 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my water system is boss
< 1319342748 561318 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah my jail has turned into a demon holding area.
< 1319342784 736974 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :next: create an arena for elf-demon battles
< 1319342786 566453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good jail
< 1319342792 159258 :Sgeo|web_!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet elliott tswett (not you) PH isn't here: 100%
< 1319342843 667677 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh I was going to drown him in the hopes that the goblins would leave me alone now;
< 1319342850 22182 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can "prosper"
< 1319343029 801039 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes something pale"
< 1319343031 468371 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1319343042 88905 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :does being a demon make you pale?
< 1319343119 353228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's dying, I think
< 1319343121 682187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010_Talk:Wound#Pale
< 1319343189 606160 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so he is near death then.
< 1319343209 52902 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but being a demon he might just heal? I don't know how that works.
< 1319343474 677318 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :migrants yessssss
< 1319343531 263638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many dorfs
< 1319343579 672910 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had 39 before now.
< 1319343661 496478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319343662 715028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :young fortress
< 1319343684 973742 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, no
< 1319343691 497327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why haven't you been getting migrants
< 1319343693 964247 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :max population was 90-something.
< 1319343698 499100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319343698 997087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deaths
< 1319343701 68545 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1319343722 749110 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my tomb is pretty impressive. :P
< 1319343742 200719 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rule of tomb
< 1319343772 730032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you haven't added the parenthical yet >:)
< 1319343786 314952 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you haven't reloaded properly.
< 1319343801 709868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, dearn
< 1319343802 433676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1319343805 731894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it should be at the top, not the bottom
< 1319343812 144134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to keep the page in chronological order
< 1319343815 678564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(reverse)
< 1319343825 692913 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@_@
< 1319343830 776810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to avoid "editing" existing material (the space between the note and the heading)
< 1319343892 413143 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i shall keep it this way just to drive you crazy.
< 1319343898 834899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'll tell zzo.
< 1319343905 318365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't want that.
< 1319343922 527984 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has ops

< 1319343958 771094 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does zzo work, exactly?
< 1319343963 607706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well.
< 1319343972 391391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You couldn't ban zzo You wouldn't.
< 1319343975 933090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/zzo/zzo./
< 1319343990 123942 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are probably right about that.
< 1319343998 212173 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hasn't quite figured the whole topic out.

< 1319344015 245363 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would somehow disturb the fragile remains of order in the universe.
< 1319344019 776040 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep
< 1319344035 53197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What topic?
< 1319344045 768650 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo
< 1319344066 570811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Just accept it.
< 1319344086 234220 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that's the way to go.
< 1319344109 394709 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is at airport with free WiFi.

< 1319344110 527685 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wonders of modern technology.
< 1319344147 716705 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, ~8 Mbps download/upload. Way faster than what I have at home.
< 1319344165 217805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Is it in... uh...
< 1319344172 300985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's on UTC right now?
< 1319344187 160025 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The server my IRC client runs on, it would seem.
< 1319344210 130975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn.
< 1319344217 955601 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iceland, maybe?
< 1319344220 413679 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm flying SJC->JFK.)
< 1319344234 383560 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do they have dst
< 1319344260 325461 :Sgeo|web_!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would zzo be banned?
< 1319344268 494779 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web_: beats me
< 1319344277 305928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, iceland are on utc right now
< 1319344282 480243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps, always
< 1319344288 430807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time zone	GMT (UTC+0)
< 1319344288 509788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : - 	Summer (DST)	not observed (UTC)
< 1319344292 288464 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott somehow deduced it as the plausible conclusion
< 1319344297 272301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Iceland airport, right?
< 1319344304 706455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: banning me wouldn't stop zzo. :)
< 1319344312 617837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now fix it
< 1319344313 828627 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...darn
< 1319344322 925385 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the thing being fixed?
< 1319344336 521800 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'll just claim the page has a retrograde movement
< 1319344344 965628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but then you need to move all the content to the top
< 1319344357 988012 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no, only _new_ content is affected
< 1319344370 818355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are bad person
< 1319344383 128045 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if elliott got the pun

< 1319344386 472788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: huh: http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/RunDirectory
< 1319344396 855376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no i'm actually an idiot, sorry to mislead
< 1319344399 707193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : you didn't mislead
< 1319344445 843161 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://oerjan.nvg.org/agora-horoscope/
< 1319344456 925571 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless i mistyped it
< 1319344459 684655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1319344499 298995 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well to be precise it has already been fixed, but some elliotts remain unsatisfied
< 1319344510 930679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :many elliotts
< 1319344533 304832 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you, and possibly facekicker, since he's evil
< 1319344636 503641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb; i expect COMPLETE FIXES when i return
< 1319344642 255568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i will demand my money back.
< 1319344660 386670 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :scary.
< 1319344755 137346 :Sgeo|web_!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :retrograde is an astrology term
< 1319344771 858344 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DING DING
< 1319344804 32027 :Sgeo|web_!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION had a book on astrology when he was young

< 1319344811 702146 :Sgeo|web_!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Complete Idiot's Guide to Astrology
< 1319344813 641562 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-216-147.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's not exactly a Debian-unique thing.
< 1319344832 15003 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-216-147.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably going to be in the FHS in the near future.
< 1319344855 247147 :Sgeo|web_!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what nodes are, though. North and south pole related?
< 1319344878 827346 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure i ever knew
< 1319344920 38989 :Sgeo|web_!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"More specifically, the Moon's nodes are the points where the Moon's orbit intersect the plane of the ecliptic."
< 1319344924 976001 :Sgeo|web_!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cafeastrology.com/northnodesouthnode.html
< 1319344954 84544 :Sgeo|web_!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a North Node and a South Node
< 1319344964 591632 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1319345091 386752 :Sgeo|web_!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there only one node in that chart?
< 1319345252 216533 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web_: Usually only the North Node is specified because the South Node is opposite to it by definition. The lunar nodes can be used to predict eclipses.
< 1319345262 85130 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(See the Wikipedia article about lunar nodes)
< 1319345401 23256 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know anything about balanced Eulerian tournament digraphs?
< 1319345579 248263 :Sgeo|web_!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1319345776 550954 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Little do demons know that though their claws and fire cannot pierce the adamantine sealing them away, a simple copper pick can dig right through it with ease. Armok forbid these unholy creatures ever get their hands on one.
< 1319345808 414244 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you understand the lunar nodes now? I didn't know what it was either until I looked on Wikipedia, so I know how it related to solar and lunar eclipses, and so on. That astrology article doesn't help much, unless you want to know what they represent in interpretations.
< 1319346095 882240 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1319346207 715091 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1319346315 961443 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, that astrology stuff did describe something I could not find on Wikipedia, which is what Vertex is. It is as follows: "The Vertex is a point located in the western hemisphere of a chart (the right-hand side) that represents the intersection of the ecliptic and the prime vertical."
< 1319346834 857731 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/File:Champions.png
< 1319346845 223385 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :best screenshot.
< 1319347020 875086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: that's from the twodee version
< 1319347034 170055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i yhink
< 1319347036 739349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1319347089 477645 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also describes the Sun/Moon midpoint, which is half way between Sun and Moon. But there are two. You could choose the closer one, I suppose, but then how do you know what to choose during a full moon? Or you could choose a direction (such as clockwise from the Sun, or whatever). It is circular! It is modulus arithmetic!
< 1319347187 934532 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The calcuation it describes there seems to do it such that the arc between the Sun and Moon where the midpoint is calculated on does not pass the 0 degree mark, but that does not seem best way to me.
< 1319347286 973285 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It describes converting to/from zodiac format; I prefer to work directly in degrees, which is fortunate that Astrolog includes such a feature! Astrolog can display the angles in hours/minutes format as well if you want to, or zodiac format, or degrees format.)
< 1319347316 209152 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I wonder if it's possible to make a fortress that's entirely self-sustainable, requiring no surface work.
< 1319347323 666463 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could seal yourself off from everything.
< 1319347336 897917 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Sure. You just need to breach an underground cave to get tower-cap growths
< 1319347354 565457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bd_++
< 1319347358 475994 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you don't need to trade, you can then grow food and logs underground
< 1319347362 964296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's rosyarrow's plan
< 1319347382 985127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we also have fishing access
< 1319347395 49212 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has an underground fishing room.

< 1319347412 526740 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically I just built it directly above my cistern.
< 1319347423 616101 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and made evenly spaced channels above it.
< 1319347443 611866 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because my cistern tends to accumulate fish.
< 1319347726 685777 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a rail system would be cool.
< 1319347738 170512 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue how it would work.
< 1319347758 522940 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Think of the micromanagement possibilities! You could spend real-world _days_ just figuring out the train schedules!
< 1319347896 951222 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could, for example, have archers locked in their own little archer tower rooms, with a rail system that constantly supplies them with food/drink/ammo :P
< 1319347915 764950 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they can overlook your magma-moated castle walls.
< 1319347917 286482 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but first I think DF needs better stocks routing support
< 1319347921 832776 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'take from' isn't quite good enough
< 1319347954 794292 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to be able to say stockpile #7 should always have between 3-6 prepared meals, and these should be taken from any of stockpiles #10, #12, or #14, dammit :|
< 1319348030 320145 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about
< 1319348034 287269 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of castle walls
< 1319348043 95593 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have a huge wall of ballistae
< 1319348075 124179 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :each operated by a dorf.
< 1319348212 523769 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which angle display format do *you* prefer??
< 1319349408 998086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :another interesting feature of rosyarrow i forgot to mention
< 1319349410 976540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid tantrum spirals
< 1319349417 184821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no meeting rooms or dining halls
< 1319349720 844251 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that work.
< 1319349781 500416 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought dining halls helped keep dwarves happy.
< 1319349800 271279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cares.
< 1319349805 642010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have booze, that's enough.
< 1319349810 343517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The important thing is that they don't make friends.
< 1319349816 640919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has been a rousing success so far.
< 1319349890 144967 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could just make really nice bedrooms
< 1319349904 713833 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm considering designing my new living quarters with gold furniture.
< 1319349915 354571 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though... I should probably focus on just rebuilding right now.
< 1319350021 952250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: our bedrooms are standard
< 1319350196 927047 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/File:Dwarven_Housing.png
< 1319350201 448744 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering what the dollar sign is.
< 1319350231 378870 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why they have armor stands..
< 1319350871 269147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in memorial of death 0000-9999, rest in peace
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< 1319352475 279072 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, coins.
< 1319352477 150801 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think.
< 1319352496 702192 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loose items belonging to the bedroom owner probs
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< 1319352901 58563 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
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< 1319353080 868223 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: ah
< 1319353082 817493 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :The monarch's entourage consists of a group of dwarves with Legendary +5 skill in a random weapon (but no skill in Fighter}, Accomplished Dodger, Shield User, and Armor User, and that enter play with the "doesn't really care about anything anymore" trait.
< 1319353091 90037 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if it is possible to tell the type of a solar eclipse from a horoscope, or only that there is one?
< 1319353092 405612 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: this is a good trait for members of an elite death squad to have right?
< 1319353117 721448 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I know absolutely nothing about astrology or astronomy for that matter.
< 1319353129 451314 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno.
< 1319353136 371500 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not familiar with DF military
< 1319353146 404711 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..how?
< 1319353153 255126 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I call limonite lemonade
< 1319353190 529371 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Even if you know only one, you probably wouldn't know. I don't know if people knowing both know. I know some, but you would have to know a lot about astronomy and a few things about astrology to know the answer to this, I would think.
< 1319353264 421914 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the answer either; although I have gotten eclipse data and input them into Astrolog to see if I could notice anything that might show the type of the eclipse, and I did not find anything, so I don't know.
< 1319353286 72992 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ...why?
< 1319353303 101577 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, why do you keep doing astronomy stuff.
< 1319353307 612745 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The curiosity of the human(?) mind
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< 1319353323 145757 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, due to curiosity, I suppose.
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< 1319359810 210196 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an idea for a game where a horoscope for the current time and location is used as the game board, updating in real time. Pieces placed on it are moved by the players according to your choices, as well as by cards you can pick up. You can also have timers (possibly the pieces themselves can be timers to limit your time!). It might seem like those kind of made up games with rules depending on whether it is Tuesday and that kind of strange 
< 1319360065 25721 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many other games are there whose rules depend on the phase of the moon?
< 1319360079 624433 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably more than zero
< 1319360131 649705 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly, but do you know of any?
< 1319360137 196602 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1319360150 653600 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some hypothetical nomics, but other than that...
< 1319360718 953745 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hypothetical nomics?
< 1319360740 971842 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is possible for in a game of Nomic to introduce rules that depend on the phase of the moon
< 1319360749 844972 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know if any such Nomic has occured
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< 1319360985 195967 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't mean nomic games, though; I meant a board game, with rules, like how chess or backgammon or whatever.
< 1319361000 962809 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And/or with cards, like rummy, poker, and Double Fanucci.
< 1319361003 968573 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so
< 1319361236 493727 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's possible to make a ruleset where some rules cannot be changed without introducing logical inconsistancy.
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< 1319361742 527819 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what categories do there exist functors from that category to a cancelling digraph category?
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< 1319364724 245228 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1319364755 905589 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1319364897 139157 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the hall of the mountain king: music to play Dwarf Fortress to
< 1319365734 795044 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ceilidh is a weird word
< 1319365802 984381 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a silent dh
< 1319365842 635664 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may make an esolang called K-Li
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< 1319365957 575283 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1319366836 448264 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319368931 922272 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 NICK :Taneb|Hovercraft
< 1319369751 520924 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 NICK :Taneb
< 1319370140 556496 :Taneb!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319370233 320402 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319371181 71910 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argand diagrams are annoying
< 1319371315 148214 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brogue
< 1319372228 673453 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319372694 620214 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how roguelikes are annoying
< 1319372706 26298 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you die every 10 minutes
< 1319374192 6072 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fdeipafhip$#HR#PI$HTPIHp jellies
< 1319374366 642045 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319374963 574144 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :aargh
< 1319375128 144637 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319377602 903156 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffffuuuuu
< 1319378783 684263 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffffuuuuu
< 1319380038 596031 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319380411 626925 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anyone recommend a screen recorder for Minecraft?
< 1319381185 965713 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-216-147.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1319381775 583467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319382425 188594 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude
< 1319383847 177813 :cassmacguff!~guff@c-71-203-58-18.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319384523 861197 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319385279 632320 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319385690 687683 :Zuu2!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319385928 903836 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1319385932 810331 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319386005 314285 :Zuu2!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 NICK :Zuu
< 1319386009 816011 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 QUIT :Changing host
< 1319386009 888339 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319386446 442031 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8AE5F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319386567 842104 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, which OS?
< 1319386591 20344 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu 11.04
< 1319386598 352947 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so *nix, right
< 1319386598 987013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1319386642 661453 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, screen recording programs that I know of: vlc (!), recordmydesktop, xvidcap
< 1319386650 532861 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never tried any of them for minecraft
< 1319386661 299841 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :only used xvidcap myself, and not on opengl stuff
< 1319387273 726039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319388219 689867 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1319388671 963823 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-216-147.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319388679 336909 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1319388680 986552 :Vorpal_!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319388695 759606 :Vorpal_!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster NICK :Vorpal
< 1319389476 214434 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1319390095 903603 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319390120 658189 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god my KNEES
< 1319390603 665368 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what happened?
< 1319390625 555642 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319390631 602826 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, a 3-hour car journey happened.
< 1319390655 802086 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I don't see how that would hurt your knees?
< 1319390660 341247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Ireland even that big
< 1319390663 804705 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With insufficient legroom.
< 1319390672 568079 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay
< 1319390673 902937 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are Swedish, you must understand the pain!
< 1319390682 979593 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ask the person in front of you to move their char forwards?
< 1319390685 810803 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319390689 48713 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or move your own chair backwards
< 1319390694 779008 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that should solve it
< 1319390695 958363 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not like elliott, his legs are probably like this long: |               |
< 1319390717 806568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like | |.
< 1319390723 233767 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well, I avoid small cars.
< 1319390726 758066 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like ||.
< 1319390728 376522 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, whenever possible
< 1319390736 322360 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it's not a small car!
< 1319390750 641310 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, then just ask the guy in front of you to move his damn chair forwards
< 1319390755 910925 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err seat
< 1319390757 570190 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not chair
< 1319390759 564341 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 / 12 / 21 / 2 1
< 1319390770 706582 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no?
< 1319390801 49617 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, wha?
< 1319390804 503943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no?
< 1319390817 304439 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :leg length, with endpoints numbered so it makes sense
< 1319390834 771516 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :each line separated by a /, rather than actually being individual lines
< 1319390895 920073 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :...?
< 1319391484 337119 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, come on
< 1319391500 400553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OK fine.
< 1319391507 286844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if we see you with any elves you're dying with them.
< 1319391753 659599 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319391769 310483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The reverse-context tree associations to add for the five-gram [a b c d e] are /→a, /→b, /→c, /→d, /→e, /a→b, /b→c, /c→d, /d→e, /b/a→c, /c/b→d, /d/c→e, /c/b/a→d, /d/c/b→e, /d/c/b/a→e, right?
< 1319392090 451412 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks sensible. I suppose the frequencies of the shorter-context values will not be entirely the same that you would get by taking them from the original text (due to the overlapping, and the filtering), but there's not much you can do about that.
< 1319392140 357044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Right. Just making sure that I hadn't gotten anything massively wrong.
< 1319392199 868398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Specifically because I'm hand-writing the list. :p
< 1319392221 215103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I should probably generate it with lambdabot or something.
< 1319392225 166585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> inits [a,b,c,d,e]
< 1319392225 997208 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[],[a],[a,b],[a,b,c],[a,b,c,d],[a,b,c,d,e]]
< 1319392233 352431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, that's not it.
< 1319392247 260486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I want all ordered sublists.
< 1319392256 313538 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319392264 868756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> tails [a,b,c,d,e]
< 1319392265 658416 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[a,b,c,d,e],[b,c,d,e],[c,d,e],[d,e],[e],[]]
< 1319392278 557113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (tails >>= inits) [a,b,c,d,e]
< 1319392279 376766 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `[a] -> b'
< 1319392279 641233 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type `[[[a...
< 1319392286 990416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite right
< 1319392295 972719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t tails
< 1319392296 697905 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [a] -> [[a]]
< 1319392298 610678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t inits
< 1319392299 235344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> tails [a,b,c,d,e] >>= inits
< 1319392299 432560 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [a] -> [[a]]
< 1319392300 81063 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[],[a],[a,b],[a,b,c],[a,b,c,d],[a,b,c,d,e],[],[b],[b,c],[b,c,d],[b,c,d,e],...
< 1319392304 872979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's it
< 1319392308 237135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1319392324 158240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [ (init xs, last xs) | xs <- tails [a,b,c,d,e] >>= inits ]
< 1319392325 401932 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [(*Exception: Prelude.init: empty list
< 1319392327 872744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah
< 1319392331 66818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [ (init xs, last xs) | xs <- tails [a,b,c,d,e] >>= inits, not (null xs) ]
< 1319392331 830226 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [([],a),([a],b),([a,b],c),([a,b,c],d),([a,b,c,d],e),([],b),([b],c),([b,c],d...
< 1319392333 341882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is the composition version of >>=?
< 1319392336 861252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: >=>
< 1319392347 738628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t >=>
< 1319392348 437178 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `>=>'
< 1319392351 509776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (>=>)
< 1319392352 329346 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a (m :: * -> *) b c. (Monad m) => (a -> m b) -> (b -> m c) -> a -> m c
< 1319392357 467272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (>>=)
< 1319392358 310293 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a b. (Monad m) => m a -> (a -> m b) -> m b
< 1319392371 209662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t tails >=> inits
< 1319392371 892183 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [a] -> [[a]]
< 1319392375 348108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, seems right
< 1319392424 273246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, now I need one that filters out ones where any element of the list is ""...
< 1319392430 612647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that it'll only be the tail
< 1319392431 499577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1319392438 82442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's like
< 1319392448 657758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ pretend it's a one-gram ] ++
< 1319392454 47468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ pretend it's a two-gram | as long as b isn't "" ] ++
< 1319392462 453426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ pretend it's a three-gram | as long as c isn't ""] ++
< 1319392462 828889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc.
< 1319392465 746173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1319392469 866832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((tail tails) >=> inits) [a,b,c,d,e]
< 1319392470 589324 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `[a]'
< 1319392470 693042 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type `[a1] -> [...
< 1319392476 161839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((tail . tails) >=> inits) [a,b,c,d,e]
< 1319392477 677176 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[],[b],[b,c],[b,c,d],[b,c,d,e],[],[c],[c,d],[c,d,e],[],[d],[d,e],[],[e],[]]
< 1319392485 547223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((tails . tail) >=> inits) [a,b,c,d,e]
< 1319392487 27260 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[],[b],[b,c],[b,c,d],[b,c,d,e],[],[c],[c,d],[c,d,e],[],[d],[d,e],[],[e],[]]
< 1319392492 106414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :???
< 1319392505 598327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's surprising?
< 1319392505 954024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (tails >=> (inits . tail)) [a,b,c,d,e]
< 1319392507 368368 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[],[b],[b,c],[b,c,d],[b,c,d,e],[],[c],[c,d],[c,d,e],[],[d],[d,e],[],[e],[]...
< 1319392515 125267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (tails >=> (tail . inits)) [a,b,c,d,e]
< 1319392516 628148 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[a],[a,b],[a,b,c],[a,b,c,d],[a,b,c,d,e],[b],[b,c],[b,c,d],[b,c,d,e],[c],[c...
< 1319392519 303378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I didn't expect the results to be the same
< 1319392525 824409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go, anyway
< 1319392532 906964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't get why the three incorrect ones are the same
< 1319392537 997120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (tails >=> (tail . inits)) [a,b,c]
< 1319392539 489746 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[a],[a,b],[a,b,c],[b],[b,c],[c]]
< 1319392553 383893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t all
< 1319392554 136101 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (a -> Bool) -> [a] -> Bool
< 1319392559 50154 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t >->
< 1319392560 464493 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `>->'
< 1319392564 502081 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t >=>
< 1319392564 574715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctxgrams :: N a -> [([a],a)]
< 1319392564 760635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctxgrams (N a b c d e) =
< 1319392564 833160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [ (init xs, last xs)
< 1319392564 833320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  | xs <- tails [a, b, c, d, e] >>= inits
< 1319392564 833427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  , not (null xs)
< 1319392565 148885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  , all (not . B.null) xs
< 1319392566 92033 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `>=>'
< 1319392567 104921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ]
< 1319392568 942483 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (>=>)
< 1319392569 87324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of gross
< 1319392570 412332 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a (m :: * -> *) b c. (Monad m) => (a -> m b) -> (b -> m c) -> a -> m c
< 1319392571 118341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but oh well
< 1319392573 563861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and slow probably
< 1319392576 230796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can optimise it later
< 1319392623 932836 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :>=> = map g (f a)?
< 1319392638 565755 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :�S�Ntrollface.jpg.gz
< 1319392642 717597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1319392645 5710 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src (>=>)
< 1319392645 807263 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. I've seen penguins that can type better than that.
< 1319392647 758032 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ that is a trollface.jpg gzipped 9001 times
< 1319392664 658272 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nyan?
< 1319392665 126113 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o
< 1319392675 529906 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw
< 1319392678 100138 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's corrupted
< 1319392681 697163 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1319392690 29810 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodness, who would have guessed?
< 1319392700 964645 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319392710 729079 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f g a -> flatten $ map g $ f a
< 1319392712 263871 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match expected type `Tree a' against inferred type `[b]'
< 1319392712 336291 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the second argument of `($)', namely `map g $ f a'
< 1319392712 408896 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the expression: flatten $ map g $ f a
< 1319392719 979232 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle m m a -> ma
< 1319392720 922574 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle m m a -> m a
< 1319392721 297552 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude uncurry :: (a -> b -> c) -> (a, b) -> c
< 1319392721 370083 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Tuple uncurry :: (a -> b -> c) -> (a, b) -> c
< 1319392721 370248 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad.ST runST :: ST s a -> a
< 1319392722 130117 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Applicative unwrapMonad :: WrappedMonad m a -> m a
< 1319392722 202714 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.Regex.Base.RegexLike getAllMatches :: AllMatches f b -> f b
< 1319392723 14839 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.Regex.Base.RegexLike getAllSubmatches :: AllSubmatches f b -> f b
< 1319392731 339839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1319392733 172551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't even
< 1319392733 817086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao
< 1319392736 765226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the not . B.null thing
< 1319392738 621555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because these are interned
< 1319392746 829639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to make sure 0 = null string
< 1319392768 558900 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gzip -c trollface.jpg > trollface.jpg.gz; for i in $(seq 1 9000); do gzip -c trollface.jpg.gz > trollface.jpg.gz; echo $i; done
< 1319392770 32821 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~
< 1319392772 300981 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1319392796 603267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: why
< 1319392802 536337 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because :o
< 1319392813 97056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw
< 1319392815 143795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't know how > works
< 1319392824 73741 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1319392830 931270 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The redirection will wipe the file before gzip starts reading it.
< 1319392834 425133 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319392838 157375 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains why it's corrupted >_>
< 1319392858 692131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also corrupted because it is a horrible idea and unix will not let you do something so stupid
< 1319392883 994276 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just add 9000 .gz's in the name, it's more proper that way and you get to keep the intermediate copies.
< 1319392888 636675 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.jpg.gz, the best format.
< 1319392897 174132 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.jpgz
< 1319392897 321941 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f g a -> join $ map g $ f a
< 1319392898 739334 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t a a1. (t -> [a1]) -> (a1 -> [a]) -> t -> [a]
< 1319392906 119283 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t join
< 1319392907 450009 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a. (Monad m) => m (m a) -> m a
< 1319392910 273846 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t map
< 1319392911 751876 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (a -> b) -> [a] -> [b]
< 1319392918 641712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^@^A!^A'^BIt^CThe^Dsame^BAs^Aa^Fresult^A"^FForget^Dthat^DGood^Dland^BHe^Fseemed^CLet^Cher^EMadam^AO^COui^A.^GPerhaps^Cthe^FPraise^EQuite
< 1319392918 714293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible^Ddead^Csun^DThen^Chow^BTo^Dfind^CWhy^Gstrange^A(^CAnd^BPP^A)^EThose^A-^Cand^AI^AA^Ecurly^Cman^Bof^DAmen^Bhe^Cshe^Cput^Hgovernor^Equeen^Dthey^Ebegan^Cyet^Ethere
< 1319392920 459608 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (a -> b) -> m a -> m b
< 1319392921 526479 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Traversable fmapDefault :: Traversable t => (a -> b) -> t a -> t b
< 1319392921 793765 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude fmap :: Functor f => (a -> b) -> f a -> f b
< 1319392921 865971 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Applicative (<$>) :: Functor f => (a -> b) -> f a -> f b
< 1319392930 803822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it the same as a result forget that good land he seemed let her madam o oui.
< 1319392949 351475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the praise quite impossible dead sun then how to find why strange (and) those - and I a curly man of men he she put governor queen they began yet there
< 1319392960 4501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is better than actually doing anything markov, just reading the intern table :P
< 1319392963 539565 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :na na na recompressing
< 1319393007 589092 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :na
< 1319393016 532165 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey Jude?
< 1319393020 767666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: FIFTEEN
< 1319393031 911264 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f g a -> ap (return f . g) (return a)
< 1319393033 251618 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b a1 (m :: * -> *). (Functor m, Monad m) => (a -> b) -> m a1 -> a -> m b
< 1319393061 526806 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f g a -> ap (return $ f . g) (return a)
< 1319393062 870688 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a b a1. (Monad m) => (a -> b) -> (a1 -> a) -> a1 -> m b
< 1319393067 527791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Heh, an awful lot of these only get me 10 instead of fifteen.
< 1319393076 986641 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1319393911 286568 :Zuu_!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1319394135 247205 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319394274 135122 :Nisstyre!~yours@infocalypse-net.info JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319394331 212709 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin
< 1319394566 39275 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1319394866 81137 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-200-182.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319394962 802673 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319395475 164893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> tails [a,b,c,d,e] >>= inits
< 1319395476 15582 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[],[a],[a,b],[a,b,c],[a,b,c,d],[a,b,c,d,e],[],[b],[b,c],[b,c,d],[b,c,d,e],...
< 1319395481 431791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, duh
< 1319396220 327031 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319396978 625708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am fully utilising Haskell's strengths in this program, which is why I'm using a ByteString instead of any data structures.
< 1319397208 213273 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that can be done in either order
< 1319397220 545378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pumpkin: ?
< 1319397221 511942 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (tails <=< inits) [1..5]
< 1319397222 187238 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[],[1],[],[1,2],[2],[],[1,2,3],[2,3],[3],[],[1,2,3,4],[2,3,4],[3,4],[4],[]...
< 1319397226 946361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1319397231 719056 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (inits <=< tails) [1..5]
< 1319397232 499269 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[],[1],[1,2],[1,2,3],[1,2,3,4],[1,2,3,4,5],[],[2],[2,3],[2,3,4],[2,3,4,5],...
< 1319397232 876410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it matters much here, though
< 1319397239 730845 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :one works on infinite lists
< 1319397256 585343 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT WHICH ONE!
< 1319397267 608912 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seen the awesomeness of
< 1319397267 681482 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :> liftA2 (=<<) zip (tail . tails) $ [1..5]
< 1319397269 195922 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [(1,2),(2,3),(3,4),(4,5),(1,3),(2,4),(3,5),(1,4),(2,5),(1,5)]
< 1319397270 320131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pumpkin: My list is so finite that I just did the manual graph reduction thing again to cut seconds off my runtime. :p
< 1319397277 541708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctxgrams :: N Word32 -> [([Word32], Word32)]
< 1319397277 614101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctxgrams (N a b c d e) =
< 1319397277 614169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  filter (\(xs,r) -> all (/= packedEmpty) (r:xs)) $
< 1319397277 614214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [ ([], a), ([], b), ([], c), ([], d), ([], e)
< 1319397277 614257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  , ([a], b), ([b], c), ([c], d), ([d], e)
< 1319397277 999114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  , ([b, a], c), ([c, b], d), ([d, c], e)
< 1319397280 82860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  , ([c, b, a], d), ([d, c, b], e)
< 1319397281 858682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  , ([d, c, b, a], e)
< 1319397283 982915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ]
< 1319397284 55374 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah :)
< 1319397747 995160 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin
< 1319398106 760755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Actually, how the heck /am/ I meant to reconstruct e.g. how much to add to the unigram count for "c" given (a,b,c,d,e,999)?
< 1319398111 199206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could just add 999.
< 1319398114 697294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feels like lying though.
< 1319398129 321830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319398180 130157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi oerjan.
< 1319398194 967096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good evening elliott
< 1319398466 587954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : The important thing is that they don't make friends.
< 1319398483 318768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seem to be outdoing huxley and orwell here
< 1319398502 997251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good show!
< 1319398505 341914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Did Oceania ever colonise Hell?
< 1319398508 800735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think not.
< 1319398535 315989 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eastasia did
< 1319398535 394179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you haven't succeeded _yet_
< 1319398544 193473 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean Eurasia
< 1319398546 725857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you
< 1319398548 581083 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, yes, it's a bit tricky. For the text corpus of only "a b c d e" it would be right; for a full model of "a b c d e f g h i" you'd (discounting the "edge effects") count each unigram 5 times ('e' is in "a b c d e", "b c d e f", .., "e f g h i"), but it doesn't really matter since it's just the relative frequencies that are important; with the filtering, it's anyone's guess; maybe just add 999.
< 1319398549 818347 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did I say Eastasia?
< 1319398558 970021 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eastasia has never colonised hell
< 1319398567 77165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: you didn't say eastasia.  you always said eurasia.
< 1319398567 400512 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1319398574 431905 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I did
< 1319398580 916859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Right. Adding 999 will be "morally correct" in some way, surely?
< 1319398598 157334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I mean, I'm sure you can construct some sort of statistical argument that in the average case it approaches being the most accurate you can get blah blah blah.
< 1319398599 652862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope.
< 1319398600 600753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please?
< 1319398634 706601 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's certainly better than just adding 1, and a constant factor doesn't really matter a thing, so there's not so much you could do there. I'm sure with the correct assumptions it goes more or less right in some sense.
< 1319398642 966850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes good.
< 1319398844 429219 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: quitter
< 1319398866 357470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38  Do you know if it is possible to tell the type of a solar eclipse from a horoscope, or only that there is one? <-- i'd assume it'd be most complete when it's exactly on the node?
< 1319398866 525660 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1319398891 485939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is vim so damn slow at opening large files?
< 1319398966 254772 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is emacs any faster? If not: your disk bw probably
< 1319398983 810998 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it might load the entire file into a data structure optimised for smaller files
< 1319398984 602553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to get Vorpal to say the word "emacs": say the word "vim".
< 1319399002 270951 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no I'm trying to help you figure out the cause
< 1319399013 301425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only ninety megs, so it's not my disk.
< 1319399018 332771 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1319399028 640069 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, is another editor such as emacs, nano, or whatever faster?
< 1319399036 994080 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319399073 382321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs -Q goes faster; M-> takes ages, so it's probably trying to avoid loading all the file into RAM.
< 1319399086 46904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is counterproductive in this case, because whatever it's doing is taking ages just to go to the end of the file, and I have 90 megs of ram
< 1319399094 762586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least vim is fast once it loads up
< 1319399111 962683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except now it's actually not, heh
< 1319399144 166663 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ed?
< 1319399156 929520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Loads near-instantly.
< 1319399168 864068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uses ~no RAM.
< 1319399174 829111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I like how every other problem I run into in computing is blimping.
< 1319399175 751992 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and the editing at the end?
< 1319399183 462567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Don't feel like figuring out how to do that.
< 1319399188 661562 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1319399198 15706 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, blimping?
< 1319399202 358279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blimping.
< 1319399205 540980 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning?
< 1319399213 748635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the UL→C compiler has to do to de-nest.
< 1319399220 729876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's turning a nested structure into pointers.
< 1319399229 933674 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, unlambda->C?
< 1319399235 239580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload.
< 1319399237 669528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay
< 1319399315 574951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :blimping and zipperlins
< 1319399331 868214 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew you were going to do a joke along those lines
< 1319399342 50864 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I think you have messages from lambdabot
< 1319399386 399116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal knows all
< 1319399394 757323 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1319399437 519306 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes, you are correct.
< 1319399441 699756 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, In other words, I'm omniscient
< 1319399479 166037 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore you are a rock
< 1319399480 206410 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OK, I suppose so. But there are total, annular, partial, hybrid, eclipses.
< 1319399491 968698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote omnipotent
< 1319399498 242026 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :105)  I seem to think of coaxial cables as being omnipotent somehow. \ 338)  elliott: well what i would do if i were omniscient and omnipotent would be to create an immortal woman with perfect tits and bang her for the rest of eternity \ 482)  to assume that someone can be described by a rule without
< 1319399506 706794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 482
< 1319399508 640814 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :482)  to assume that someone can be described by a rule without exception... is to assume they are omnipotent   for instance stones are omnipotent, as they don't do anything, without exception
< 1319399510 294663 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote omniscient
< 1319399512 774353 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :338)  elliott: well what i would do if i were omniscient and omnipotent would be to create an immortal woman with perfect tits and bang her for the rest of eternity
< 1319399516 726097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319399517 239095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319399517 703011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319399518 228786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319399518 529395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319399522 965336 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :672)  never ever do bacon floats or i will hunt you down and kill you augh my leg
< 1319399524 126762 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :424)  what would you ever need petrol for   newsflash: it doesn't actually taste that good
< 1319399525 176527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh the annular thing would depend on the moon's distance would it, i don't think that can be deduced
< 1319399529 477343 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you need to be omniscient to do that?
< 1319399537 486121 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :202)  I don't trust ducks. They always look like they're planning something. I'm not sure it's a good idea to give them language capabilities.
< 1319399537 609393 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :305)  okay see in my head it went, you send from your other number smth like "i'd certainly like to see you in those pink panties again" and she's like "WHAT?!? Sgeo took a pic?!?!?! that FUCKING PIG"
< 1319399537 779354 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :570)  this reminds me of a time where this guy made up a pretend language that was in his fantasy world and then roleplayed as someone from his fantasy world who used the language and then tried to talk to me about the language
< 1319399543 801780 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it can't hurt
< 1319399553 431805 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, what would you know?
< 1319399582 664850 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I know is that this is all I know
< 1319399601 705579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what a "perfect tit" was? You would know that if omniscient.
< 1319399636 561493 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 672
< 1319399646 977137 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 672
< 1319399648 978170 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :672)  never ever do bacon floats or i will hunt you down and kill you augh my leg
< 1319399649 998535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no that one's funny because of augh my leg
< 1319399655 825161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just do it again
< 1319399656 709932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319399657 47392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319399657 571700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319399657 997181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319399658 565303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319399662 422996 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :305)  okay see in my head it went, you send from your other number smth like "i'd certainly like to see you in those pink panties again" and she's like "WHAT?!? Sgeo took a pic?!?!?! that FUCKING PIG"
< 1319399664 875309 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :561)  On further reflection, I think I did manage to miss winter and spring altogether.   This does explain the goblin siege I had in autumn.
< 1319399666 36491 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :452)  The interpreter uses an unbounded tape size, but due to technical limitations will stop being unbounded if the tap size reaches 2^63 cells.
< 1319399672 964787 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :82)  I used to have salt licks for my horses. They would make cool abstract sculptures with them.
< 1319399673 135061 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :323)  wow, thinkgeek really makes me hate being alive
< 1319399692 503083 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like 452
< 1319399697 616277 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same
< 1319399703 76899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph, those are all pretty good.
< 1319399707 993711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :82 and 305 are probably the worst.
< 1319399714 397216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why remove any one?
< 1319399714 857656 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This technique is working, then
< 1319399714 930095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the qdb doesn't seem to want me to delete anything.
< 1319399780 468305 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had a significantly better idea for a fungot style!
< 1319399781 649847 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: belarius. look, what was indifferent too, yet somewhat doubtful, might i not then be answer'd? du. anthonio and old shylocke, both stand forth
< 1319399794 176606 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash.org
< 1319399795 448646 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1319399795 605722 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa sms speeches ss* wp youtube
< 1319399801 210109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ss
< 1319399801 284084 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ss (Shakespeare's writings)
< 1319399802 884630 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1319399811 640205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style sms
< 1319399811 813895 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: sms (National University of Singapore SMS corpus, 2011-08-20)
< 1319399815 385575 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hm?
< 1319399815 746128 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ten also c
< 1319399820 178771 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, okay?
< 1319399820 693851 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hey i am in extreme situations: first- before getting it... second- after loosing it." luke.. today i am in cbe only. but have to seek. hee
< 1319399826 970337 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what's the answer?
< 1319399827 772756 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: tell me ya confirm time later. she's in for a sec
< 1319399835 317083 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think Astrolog does have a mode that displays distances too.
< 1319399836 856735 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, in what?
< 1319399837 369831 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a sweet friend for the dog to? why nv reply me de. pls:-)
< 1319399843 761342 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: More abbrvs, pls.
< 1319399844 270298 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thank u. please try to sleep. i am tired of travel. ask someone to check sagamu for the same. wana plan a trip to ily at 6pm. tablesbooked already. im cabbing down so take pictures up on facebook. you are one step out from my hse one leh. why cannot go jc also
< 1319399847 78709 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the horoscope itself does not include them.
< 1319399852 511175 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1319399852 583520 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa sms* speeches ss wp youtube
< 1319399856 95840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style pa
< 1319399856 287789 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: pa (around 1200 transcribed Penny Arcade comics)
< 1319399863 239633 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what?
< 1319399864 38614 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: ducks don't have any friends, so i'll have to play it?
< 1319399872 171527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style c64
< 1319399872 243609 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: c64 (C64 programming material)
< 1319399875 488160 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, ooh
< 1319399876 66330 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: each gosub call places five bytes to the chrget routine will turn it on your computer would be unterlined in our listings. for now, this pointer may be shown behind sprite graphics
< 1319399886 648894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, nice
< 1319399886 812925 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there is no exception, and to load the x and y registers. y is a special type of user definable character which is the frequency of 1,022,730 hz ( 985,250 if you hold down the shift keys is being pressed.
< 1319399891 631382 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unterlined".
< 1319399907 777611 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, must have been a typo in the original. In at least 2 places
< 1319399919 288843 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, but "this pointer may be shown behind sprite graphics", you mean like on the display?
< 1319399919 642682 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the function, 31, 35, 374 clrchn, 272-273, 275 chkout, 272-273, 280 ciout, 272-273, 278-279 chr function, 31, 38, 56, 61, 79, 87, 89 basic numeric functions will be executed automatically by printing the second
< 1319399936 962844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, is that the index?
< 1319399937 35850 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: filt 1 ( 53265, 53266
< 1319399940 162505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :process :: PackedNgram -> RCT -> RCT
< 1319399940 235064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :process (PackedNgram xs n) rct = foldl' (flip process') rct (ctxgrams xs)
< 1319399940 407015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  where process' (ys, r) = at ys $ \(RCT paths grams) -> RCT paths (HM.insertWith (+) r n grams)
< 1319399940 479176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :        at [] f m = f m
< 1319399940 479365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :        at (p:ps) f (RCT paths grams) = RCT (HM.adjust (at ps f) p $ HM.insertWith (flip const) p (RCT HM.empty HM.empty) paths) grams
< 1319399946 873244 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are quite a lot of tables in that stuff.
< 1319399960 48441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay
< 1319399999 618180 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style wp
< 1319400000 206499 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: wp (1/256th of all Wikipedia "Talk:" namespace pages)
< 1319400010 810749 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, how're you?
< 1319400012 699979 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: now it catches the fnord of senses does not define a political structure, there can be no valid criticisms of atheism are based on the fact that chandragupta belonged to mauryas who were asuras? is this some peculiar formatting error or some ongoing tradition? i am not a pole is not an ascii character available from keyboard ( though it is understood. and so an article on latin, and is yet further evidence that the entir
< 1319400077 116040 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Here's the article list: http://p.zem.fi/w9q7
< 1319400092 497760 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Somewhat mangled; reconstructed it from file names.)
< 1319400135 825869 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style agora
< 1319400136 431963 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: agora (a large selection of Agora rules, both current and historical)
< 1319400145 365619 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, how does this one sound like?
< 1319400146 174467 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: in addition to any other player's voting potential
< 1319400156 380662 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, how about now?
< 1319400157 29700 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: let there be a member of more than 100 rules, past judgement, the
< 1319400209 80073 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style alice
< 1319400209 709351 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: alice (Books by Lewis Carroll)
< 1319400216 603136 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot!!!
< 1319400217 267790 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: " could you come to-day?"
< 1319400218 247092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I have an idea for a game where a horoscope for the current time and location is used as the game board, updating in real time. Pieces placed on it are moved by the players according to your choices, as well as by cards you can pick up. You can also have timers (possibly the pieces themselves can be timers to limit your time!). It might seem like those kind of made up games with rules depending on whether it is Tuesday and that kind of strange
< 1319400252 99156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like it would be slow to change; everything but the houses and maybe the moon wouldn't change perceptibly in a day
< 1319400266 630297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1319400286 373185 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could work for postal games
< 1319400289 997132 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes; but what if it is play by mail?
< 1319400291 196937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even those would take hours
< 1319400304 734800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then maybe it could work better
< 1319400307 268197 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are still time limits, but you can have many weeks.
< 1319400308 752416 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mail nomic: longest game?
< 1319400372 906594 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any game is long by mail
< 1319400389 886943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: agora could practically be played by mail
< 1319400396 421754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :without changing the rules
< 1319400398 581088 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monopoly sometimes takes a long time, so it would be very long by mail.
< 1319400428 148231 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even Dungeons&Dragons could be played by mail if the referee rolls all the dice
< 1319400522 313234 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :chess has been played by mail
< 1319400532 488860 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, chess is played by mail a lot.
< 1319400540 937549 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have played chess by mail.
< 1319400630 466996 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :VGA Planets by snailmail.
< 1319400641 315322 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1319400651 32332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be interesting if played by mail as you still might want to time your messages carefully to get the right horoscope for your move
< 1319400654 225626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mario by mail
< 1319400661 738941 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You print out hexdumps of the turn files, and in the other end the other person types it in.
< 1319400667 534873 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, that is the kind of things I was thinking about!
< 1319400693 755436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quake II by mail
< 1319400718 802640 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dance Dance Revolution by mail.
< 1319400733 155627 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need good stamina to stay on the pad for the snailmail round-trip.
< 1319400742 526928 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also the reason for time limits on your move.
< 1319400780 622980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc by mail
< 1319400790 184526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kilgame by mail
< 1319400815 438777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : For what categories do there exist functors from that category to a cancelling digraph category?
< 1319400836 75602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically all, as you can always make a functor that sends everything to an object and its identity morphism
< 1319400881 501687 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319400885 947904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :GTA by mail
< 1319400906 770532 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ooh better idea: mail by mail
< 1319400917 457395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :second life by mail
< 1319400924 751969 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, first life by mail
< 1319400929 238820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mail
< 1319400936 316255 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah
< 1319400938 582846 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Male by mail.
< 1319400939 287223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mail by game of life
< 1319400945 692395 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, I suppose so. But require certain kind of functors, the one with each morphism and object still separated
< 1319400954 34470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ser :: RCT -> ([Word32] -> Put, [RCT])
< 1319400958 638321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the weirdest type signature
< 1319400971 679614 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319400973 845393 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :207)  DAMN YOU, I'm leaving   olsner, FINALLY NOTHING BETWEEN ME AND WORLD DOMINATION!
< 1319400974 979851 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ser
< 1319400975 808305 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `ser'
< 1319400983 229602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, where is ser from?
< 1319401010 219132 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot the context for that one
< 1319401019 269876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowhere
< 1319401034 480580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case i don't know what that is
< 1319401043 639134 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is it for? And what is RCT
< 1319401060 608561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :serialising rct, and reverse-context tree
< 1319401066 209226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319401066 828675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319401067 272985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319401067 779517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319401068 288625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319401069 914828 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :87)  hahaha, Lawlabee is running windows  'cuz it's pretty awesome.
< 1319401074 854414 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :422)  so about jacuzzis, do they usually have a way to make it it not heat but freeze the water?
< 1319401076 691001 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :61)  What else is there to vim besides editing commands?
< 1319401081 908983 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :87)  hahaha, Lawlabee is running windows  'cuz it's pretty awesome.
< 1319401082 633670 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :187)  dc -e '[a=]P?[b=]P?[dSarLa%d0 The Russian's emblem was the hammer and sickle, not the fist and other fist
< 1319401090 947311 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :87 is quite bad
< 1319401091 780632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 87
< 1319401094 99276 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1319401106 718758 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : 187)  dc -e '[a=]P?[b=]P?[dSarLa%d0 ([a],[b])
< 1319401223 261612 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude unzip :: [(a, b)] -> ([a], [b])
< 1319401223 443513 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List unzip :: [(a, b)] -> ([a], [b])
< 1319401223 515867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except grammar, grammar bad
< 1319401240 781881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah the -s in English is annoying
< 1319401265 152106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like i _usually_ make that error.  i think.
< 1319401277 814454 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah
< 1319401342 362960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t uncurry zip . unzip
< 1319401343 158212 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. [(a, b)] -> [(a, b)]
< 1319401412 928680 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"English -s is annoying" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_verb_conjugation
< 1319401428 568377 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, aieee!
< 1319401441 99144 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wtf is "passive voice"?
< 1319401461 45229 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, found it
< 1319401473 688159 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The information was eluded by Vorpal
< 1319401481 852908 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait
< 1319401490 470050 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you use suffix for negation
< 1319401491 701870 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :!?
< 1319401536 720008 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I take back the bad things I said about statically-sized types in Haskell now that I understand TH
< 1319401537 174212 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What, no? Look at the first table; there's a word ("ei") for negation.
< 1319401542 906205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i distinctly thought they used the verb ei
< 1319401547 469894 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The negation word gets inflected in place of the verb, those.
< 1319401548 747881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I don't see how TH is related, but ok :P
< 1319401554 39132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it can help automate some things
< 1319401556 540422 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: [nat| 30|]
< 1319401557 439487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah
< 1319401563 278589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sure
< 1319401572 436104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: $(nat 30) is nicer
< 1319401577 877162 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sure
< 1319401579 104687 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :either works
< 1319401834 322929 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But we do have different suffixes for each of {first, second, third} person {singular, plural}. (OTOH at least it's sort of consistent, not just differing in the third person singular like English does it.)
< 1319401859 473074 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319402043 774182 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh
< 1319402413 212584 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1319402463 581531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanr (+)
< 1319402464 462994 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show (a -> [a] -> [a])
< 1319402464 610420 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a...
< 1319402466 811856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanr (+) 0 [9,0,9]
< 1319402467 446732 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [18,9,9,0]
< 1319402475 679947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanr (\a b -> a + length b) 0 ["a","bc","d"]
< 1319402476 238874 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `[a]'
< 1319402476 415615 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type `GHC.Types...
< 1319402479 79907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl (\a b -> a + length b) 0 ["a","bc","d"]
< 1319402479 718494 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [0,1,3,4]
< 1319402574 964322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> liftA2 (=<<) zip (tail . tails . cycle) $ [1..5]
< 1319402576 480969 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [(1,2),(2,3),(3,4),(4,5),(5,1),(1,3),(2,4),(3,5),(4,1),(5,2),(1,4),(2,5),(3...
< 1319402629 67228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait
< 1319402635 7990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length $ liftA2 (=<<) zip (tail . tails . cycle) $ [1..5]
< 1319402638 780530 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1319402641 294383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not good
< 1319402749 832437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanr ((+).length) 0 ["a","bc","d"]
< 1319402751 271856 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [4,3,1,0]
< 1319402990 725668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yikes, my serialisation strategy is _really slow_.
< 1319402992 963995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easily takes two minutes.
< 1319403011 875000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a serial time killer
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< 1319404159 431310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you should help me optimise my code :D :D :D :D :D
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< 1319404254 992622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i dunno anything about optimization, although i _did_ wonder if there was some fold or something for your at function above
< 1319404262 475598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: which function?
< 1319404267 595441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the inits tails one?
< 1319404285 59485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"at"
< 1319404292 129041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a local definition
< 1319404302 717222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1319404316 613561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that one is regrettably ugly because hashmap has no alter
< 1319404317 747284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason
< 1319404327 272222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the (HM.adjust (at ps f) p $ HM.insertWith (flip const) p (RCT HM.empty HM.empty) paths)
< 1319404335 321724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the (flip const) keeps the original value if not there
< 1319404341 331705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that insertWith basically gives it a default value
< 1319404355 331943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah that isn't actually the slow bit her
< 1319404356 28783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
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< 1319405315 637528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ...
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< 1319405438 877962 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake NICK :ElliottDrone1
< 1319405556 456600 :ElliottDrone1!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake NICK :CakeProphet
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< 1319406520 514109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :regarding current iwc poll: it seems that knitted caps (tuques) count as hats in english?
< 1319406675 135722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot answer the poll without knowing that, since i don't wear any other kind...
< 1319406704 489780 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lets ask our resident hat expert, Gregor
< 1319406724 504174 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
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< 1319407109 31435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh of course
< 1319407117 500322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEGOR
< 1319407136 305761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles innocently

< 1319407209 816027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall his collection having knitted caps though, he might be biased for style reasons
< 1319407389 204706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait idle for 1 days 4 hours
< 1319407399 82320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMEONE ELSE PLEASE
< 1319407408 814213 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, hats? we're talking about hats?
< 1319407423 611180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but i think i need a native english speaker for this
< 1319407437 344495 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 NICK :Taneb|Hovercraft
< 1319407469 287189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since my confusion is partially from how they are _not_ "hatter" in norwegian, imho
< 1319407543 872766 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think lots of more stuff is "hats" in english, since we differentiate between hattar and mössor
< 1319407562 60749 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but exactly which ones, you will need a native speaker for that :)
< 1319407589 599071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely
< 1319407603 187401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hatter og luer in norwegian)
< 1319407711 903697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In other parts of the English-speaking world, this type of hat is more commonly referred to by other names: knit hat or knit cap, sock cap or stocking cap, watch cap, skull cap or skully, snow hat, snow cap, ski cap, tossle cap, woolly hat, chook or beanie."
< 1319407868 405222 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knitted caps are hats.
< 1319407875 340340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1319407886 885785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you
< 1319407922 138081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wikipedia headgear article only confused me more, by using hat _both_ as a specific and a general term
< 1319408101 337730 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319408125 318565 :nooga!~nooga@95.108.116.52 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1319408224 620730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay the number 17 won the previous poll
< 1319408234 410292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels the geek vibe

< 1319408239 172539 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have another idea of new commands in Haskell, where  proof { }  is the same as id, and  proof { f; }  is a value making its own anonymous class, that is either f or id depending on which one has the correct type (where f is preferred, in case both types are correct). And  proof { f; g; }  becomes either (g . f) or (g) or (f) or (id) depending on needed type (where (g . f) is preferred, and then (g), etc). And you can have <- and -> usable ins
< 1319408242 587582 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we voting on the best prime
< 1319408247 403275 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then make it usable with more-notation as well.
< 1319408252 476147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/cgi-bin/poll.pl?a=7
< 1319408263 22232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, but voting's over on that one
< 1319408286 223485 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in other words, "proof" is like an anonymous class, I guess.
< 1319408307 142375 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in an exam, this guy answered 79 to one of the questions
< 1319408308 197090 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the members of the class are also anonymous.
< 1319408313 610202 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean what the fuck kind of a prime is that >D
< 1319408333 753636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a perfectly respectable one
< 1319408373 634482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and very easy to check, too
< 1319408392 743019 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1319408411 234743 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so?
< 1319408456 941021 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean how is it simpler than other sub-100's
< 1319408458 622309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last digit 9 rules out 2 and 5.  and since the digits are 7 and 9 you easily rule out both 3 and 7 just by looking at the other digit
< 1319408483 389536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also 11 since it's so close to 77
< 1319408485 602762 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i don't know the rule for 7... oh wait
< 1319408499 30646 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so okay it may be particularly easy
< 1319408578 11737 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :61 is pretty obvious, it's next-door neighbor is so cute it never had a change of finding anyone
< 1319408687 115374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :89 on the other hand
< 1319408708 889234 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks primey at least
< 1319408714 950986 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8AE5F.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319408718 692449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but so does 91
< 1319408730 11957 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see 91 as 70 + 21
< 1319408739 826812 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again
< 1319408746 283887 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just recalled someone said that on #math
< 1319408753 566320 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like years ago
< 1319408778 803004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :91 is the trickiest one below 100 to check, i think
< 1319408789 589187 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1319408791 74280 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossi
< 1319408793 310788 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ble, even
< 1319408815 354614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it fits none of the easy rules
< 1319408848 147349 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it fits the easy rule of having 7 as a factor
< 1319408858 359614 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very easy to *check*
< 1319408899 339179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not _difficult_.  it's just that division by 7 is harder to check than the other ones below 13
< 1319408967 15705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the same time it's too big to be in the small multiplication table
< 1319408969 61195 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me, checking means someone tells you "91 = 70 + 21 so it's not a prime" and you say "good point", which takes a second
< 1319408986 842658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the P vs. NP sense
< 1319408989 381716 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1319409005 257870 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah in the other sense, maybe it's hard
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< 1319412724 954758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  http://i.imgur.com/dosYw.png   WELCOME TO FUCKING STEELROMANCED
< 1319412727 129409 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :690)  http://i.imgur.com/dosYw.png   WELCOME TO FUCKING STEELROMANCED
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< 1319413636 171848 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's dwarf fortress then? looks a bit like befunge code
< 1319413651 416188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's overground df
< 1319413654 942359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :underground looks a bit different
< 1319413659 373605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. most of the map is black
< 1319413663 787215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than trees and shit
< 1319414143 513383 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw elliott: I am evil: http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~scshunt/Data.hs
< 1319414172 187854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah everyone uses TH for everything until they realise how stupid it is
< 1319414175 153509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with typeclasses
< 1319414178 277414 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: haha
< 1319414209 919411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example what you have there is a complicated situation that can be handled only with a simple parser and reading a file :P
< 1319414219 286188 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a simple parser and template haskell instead
< 1319414227 779096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: btw you almost certainly don't want lastProposal to be :: (Num i) => i
< 1319414229 133748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for two reasons
< 1319414234 555915 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unfortunately it's not written in such a way as to allow reuse)
< 1319414235 702128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) "a" not "i"
< 1319414239 122298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b) you want that to be monomorphic
< 1319414242 685583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: Int or :: Integer probably
< 1319414243 974514 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I like i
< 1319414249 206605 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why must it be monomorphic?
< 1319414263 846455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: (a) that's what everyone says when people try and help them make their code more idiomatic
< 1319414270 933193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: (b) it doesn't have to be, but it makes no sense to interpret it as a Float
< 1319414274 216081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a complex number
< 1319414274 855263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc.
< 1319414276 673219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an integer
< 1319414282 569857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :proposal ids are integers
< 1319414288 899061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically naturals but there's no Nat oh well
< 1319414302 619930 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it plays badly with + on an int if I make it an Integer
< 1319414315 71231 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Int
< 1319414319 333711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not called "playing badly"
< 1319414332 560194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's called "Int is not the same as Integer"
< 1319414345 245365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just put it as :: Int, since it'll take quite a while for the number of proposals to overflow that...
< 1319414362 990523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw if you say "let x = lastProposal in (somethingThatExpectsAnInteger x, x + anInt)" it wouldn't work either
< 1319414373 470985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so making the top level binding polymorphic does not really "fix" it, it just makes you think it's fixed
< 1319414376 473251 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose
< 1319414406 593349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if you're going to use TH at least make it only use one quasiquoter for the entire list
< 1319414409 381652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put dividers
< 1319414418 370570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"  |], [proposal|" is hideous :p
< 1319414481 995331 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1319414515 669250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADDITIONALLY you forgot type sigs on signature, proposalPool, allProposals, ok I think I'm out of criticism
< 1319414530 767013 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They don't need type sigs
< 1319414600 995017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: all top-level bindings should have type sigs
< 1319414601 897547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :must, even
< 1319414627 165686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think hlint even errors out if you don't
< 1319414770 986158 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1319414853 312292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should
< 1319414872 904456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go into #haskell and ask if it's ok to leave a typesig off a top level declaration :-)
< 1319415526 562328 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like quasiquotation much, because of if you need |] inside of the text; it should define your own escapes and stuff by macros, instead! So that you have have text, nest, non nesting, et
< 1319415582 241195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it's a good idea, anyhow.  it keeps type errors local and thus more understandable.
< 1319415597 388919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1319415635 539676 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But TH is good for some purposes, in general. But there are some restrictions preventing it being more useful.
< 1319415676 176556 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I implemented classical logic in Haskell, is it possible to make something like TNT (Typographical Number Theory) as well?
< 1319415893 805911 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, it's called church numerals
< 1319415970 376484 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what church numerals are; how will that help?
< 1319415996 218701 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fine, type signatures implemented
< 1319416004 178355 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, the lack of escaping for |] is annoying
< 1319416042 709964 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes. If it could have macros that you can run your own codes inside of the lexer, then you could fix that.
< 1319416076 99626 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: apparently there is an escape actually
< 1319416085 25976 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :both | and ] are escapable
< 1319416091 101393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how?
< 1319416097 632731 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1319416101 205535 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :only \ and |]
< 1319416103 216583 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that got changed
< 1319416119 524601 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\|] gives literal |]
< 1319416123 788725 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\\ gives literal \
< 1319416128 196119 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything else is unchanged
< 1319416133 303038 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heredocs would be another way to make it, I suppose.
< 1319416238 7248 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another idea I have to make in Haskell, is polymorphic polymorphic functions; because, for example,    join either :: (a -> c) -> Either a a -> c   which mean they must be the same "a" type, but if you want to make a function (not necessarily this one) that can take a polymorphic input and use it in two ways
< 1319416262 418922 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the \\ doesn't seem to work quite right
< 1319416268 40917 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One way could be macros
< 1319416278 207740 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :|] does though
< 1319416338 55408 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the only thing you can't really do is trailing \
< 1319416341 951209 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should have quasiquotation heredocs, for example, it could have that if it starts with [abc:xyz| then you must end with |xyz] and so on.
< 1319416358 379242 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but good quasiquoters ignore leading and trailing whitespace anyway
< 1319416361 316048 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, that's an option
< 1319416618 319240 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1319416661 213277 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a way to make an abuse of notation like $(5) by having  instance Num (Q Type)  or  instance Num (Q Exp)  or whatever else
< 1319416689 256894 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's awesome
< 1319416917 690081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
< 1319416922 706579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might need to use a mutable vector
< 1319417943 312588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an evolving mosquito
< 1319418103 103998 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's funny
< 1319418569 71422 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is it possible to typeclass overload values that result from a quasi-quotation? I'd think so.
< 1319418658 174365 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to make a function with polymorphic inputs that remain polymorphic inside of the definition? For example, if I have a function   either2 f x = either f f x   and then I have   either2 fromEnum x   if   x :: Either Int Integer   then to make a function that can have polymorphic inputs to handle it.
< 1319418886 747079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Rank2Types or RankNTypes extension (the latter for more complicated types).  any function with such arguments must have a type signature using the forall syntax.
< 1319418892 214595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t runST
< 1319418893 128527 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (forall s. ST s a) -> a
< 1319418900 674878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that one
< 1319418958 833558 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would it be for the "either2" example, if I do not want to specify the class in the type signature for either2 because it can use any class?
< 1319418994 701942 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ユ   I wonder how this got into the keys for my length histogram.
< 1319419091 562138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh.  i don't think you can avoid specifying the class, although _maybe_ the new ConstraintKinds extension in the ghc head (iirc) could help, i doubt it though although i'm not exactly sure how it works
< 1319419188 213083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but _with_ the class it would be either2 :: forall a b. (Enum a, Enum b) => (forall c. Enum c => c -> d) -> Either a b -> d  , i think
< 1319419375 948017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with constrain kinds i think it would be either2 :: forall a b c. (c a, c b) => (forall d. c d => d -> e) -> Either a b -> e
< 1319419396 400353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not sure (and i doubt) that it can _infer_ that constraint
< 1319419399 436943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*constraint
< 1319419480 286797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means i guess you might be able to use it if lucky, but might need to use a type signature even at the use site
< 1319419523 809564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mind you, all this is based on my intuition of how the ConstrainKinds extension would work, since i've never tried it or even a ghc which has it)
< 1319419533 786778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ConstraintKinds
< 1319419536 216362 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e 'print $0'
< 1319419554 738988 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e 'print @ARGV'
< 1319419556 791229 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1319419737 430032 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b78e4.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319419781 661929 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One idea I have for extension, is proof-notation extension that can make anonymous classes and special constraint and everything like that, and then specifying as follows:   either2 = proof { a <- id; b, c = _; a -> either b c; }
< 1319419810 423289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone implement it into GHC already
< 1319419910 421676 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e 'use GetOpt::Long; @ARGV == ("--test", "a=b", "b=c"); GetOptions("test=s%" => \$h); print %$h;'
< 1319419912 290117 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't locate GetOpt/Long.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at -e line 1. \ BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at -e line 1.
< 1319419960 938401 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is what I wrote sense to you? Or, did I make some kind of mistake?
< 1319420066 392007 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another idea I have, is make each type implicitly belong to a class for only that type.
< 1319420222 33549 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b78e4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey friends..i love this track :') need to share it ;)
< 1319420223 730552 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b78e4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m25cP-cX0MA&fmt=18
< 1319420255 83276 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b78e4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you like minimal music? this one is special
< 1319420265 745655 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b78e4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :warm..flashing
< 1319420269 391722 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b78e4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1319420279 224154 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b78e4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck im gettin old
< 1319420717 142011 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too
< 1319420741 350123 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319420781 103809 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like maximal music
< 1319420810 326253 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b78e4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"death makes angels of us all, and gives us wings where we had shoulders, smooth as ravens claws"
< 1319420821 609187 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b78e4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-american prayer, j.d.morrison
< 1319420822 367495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep.
< 1319420832 461705 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b78e4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott!
< 1319420835 473563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319420837 292961 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b78e4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1319420900 732211 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b78e4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im glad you like it
< 1319421022 633390 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :""
< 1319421026 434623 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-me
< 1319421063 249679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :""
< 1319421064 515417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-oklopol
< 1319421099 436229 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :q("") . qq(\n-me)
< 1319421101 729953 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :-oklopol
< 1319421124 973858 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b78e4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :need some sophisticated esoteric lambda expressions to tune out again :>
< 1319421136 758758 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i need no tuning
< 1319421142 675278 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i need is to go to work
< 1319421142 747580 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b78e4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had some
< 1319421147 118733 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b78e4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319421161 429539 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like vocal chord surgery?
< 1319421174 297523 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :q("") . qq(\n-oklopol\n-elliot)
< 1319421178 705781 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :-me
< 1319421191 971469 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/t/tt/
< 1319421279 110153 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly enough, qq in WoW slang is a verb that means "to annoying bitch about something trivial"
< 1319421305 934939 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is also, apparently, an emoticon for a crying face. a very horrible one. this is where its verb usage originates.
< 1319421309 761504 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"to annoying bitch" is a pretty cool verb
< 1319421318 472952 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ly :P
< 1319421321 305631 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid adverbs
< 1319421337 517423 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so this one day i was cool guying at a bar"
< 1319421338 43828 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b78e4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adjective
< 1319421341 755974 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm starting to like this
< 1319421369 408184 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: a stupid adverb is one that forgets to take its ly with it when it leaves for work in the morning
< 1319421410 995312 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b78e4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor oklopol
< 1319421422 477861 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not poor
< 1319421428 567889 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b78e4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k..so hf
< 1319421433 840123 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b78e4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1319421455 947592 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b78e4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my time
< 1319421462 536201 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :were you referring to the fact i'm leaving for work? are you implying i'm an adverb or was that just a very late reply?
< 1319421493 28900 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b78e4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep..the work thing
< 1319421522 463521 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would make a decent adverb
< 1319421531 996029 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well oklopol decent.
< 1319421536 919620 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's pretty fucking decent
< 1319421542 765843 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1319421564 645040 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b78e4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cu
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< 1319422583 222584 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION IS THE BEST

< 1319422591 22063 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION IS THE BEST CONJUNCTION

< 1319422644 900555 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1319422649 247446 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, CakeProphet is not a conjunction
< 1319422682 377645 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you are silly, CakeProphet it totally is a conjunction.
< 1319423100 345678 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it's way too late now
< 1319423154 911989 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should be up in about 3h, I think
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< 1319433651 923646 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep
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< 1319434486 710962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What the heck is this genfd stuff in mudem
< 1319434499 354842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just fd support?
< 1319434827 490331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also, -n is still in the readme :)
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< 1319437928 322981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know a standard mechanism to run a command as if the time were different?
< 1319438035 53770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.code-wizards.com/projects/libfaketime/ ;; oh god, how retro.
< 1319438035 327137 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :familyradio has no explanation
< 1319438038 598815 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's broing
< 1319438041 120081 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring
< 1319438080 455887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thankfully it's in debian.
< 1319438121 32736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, faketime timestamp ...
< 1319438122 733019 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mean libfaketime is boring
< 1319438129 59554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/oh/ok/
< 1319438141 260435 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harold Camping's lack of anything recently is boring
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< 1319440007 646396 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
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< 1319442416 842476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  clearly darth needs something gray and big and proving the uncountability of the reals
< 1319442423 32789 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :691)  clearly darth needs something gray and big and proving the uncountability of the reals
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< 1319442939 648257 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's XKCD is a bit weird
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< 1319443327 809197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: You think you're evil? I just came up with this: newtype SupplyT s m a = SupplyT (StateT (SupplyT s m s) m a)
< 1319444015 36041 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What is that?
< 1319444092 125388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's a generalised form of the supply monad, which usually looks like StateT [s] m a
< 1319444099 562655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where supply = do { (x:xs) <- get; put xs; return x }
< 1319444102 718092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mine is more general :p
< 1319444111 642258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. you can supply a computation with the standard IO random number generator
< 1319444113 942392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or prompting the user
< 1319444115 530662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or reading from state
< 1319444116 208645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ...
< 1319444116 949863 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1319444165 986761 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/New_monads/MonadSupply
< 1319444189 147697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Yes, that's what started this off.
< 1319444205 517895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :byorgey went to put it on Hackage, then I totally improved on it. :p
< 1319444597 854472 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it ok to put packages that require an opaque .dll or .so from somewhere on Hackage?
< 1319444600 993196 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the variant of put (and modify) returning old value, such as like this:   supply = head <$> modify tail;
< 1319444650 253238 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition, defining put in that way in my own codes I found it very easily to implement and reasonable to me.
< 1319444682 61286 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was like that, would that work? I think so.
< 1319444788 822924 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who talk about other people compensating for something are obviously compensating for something.
< 1319444795 972295 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh my, I just included myself, didn't I?
< 1319444869 792194 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I suppose so, isn't it? Or maybe it means you talk about talking about...
< 1319444896 85537 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He does both
< 1319444905 82096 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1319444948 916313 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately
< 1319444959 946569 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in CakeProphet logic, all logical propositions begin with an implicit "if false, "
< 1319444969 375903 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so everything is okay.
< 1319444978 385525 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can go compensate for other things. like overcompensating.
< 1319444993 60122 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't the standard "get" for state monads return the old value, anyways?
< 1319445017 916112 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t get
< 1319445020 144186 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) s. (MonadState s m) => m s
< 1319445022 586420 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which old value?
< 1319445029 188806 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I mean "put"
< 1319445032 476555 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not "get"
< 1319445033 497284 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1319445055 24613 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be nice I suppose
< 1319445056 175347 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t put
< 1319445057 653928 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall s (m :: * -> *). (MonadState s m) => s -> m ()
< 1319445063 255462 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is simple to implement:   flip (,)
< 1319445089 642313 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :getAndPut new = do { old <- get; put new; return old }
< 1319445097 996295 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^probably beginner style cod
< 1319445099 448834 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coe
< 1319445100 260004 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :code
< 1319445140 625733 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undo getAndPut new = do { old <- get; put new; return old }
< 1319445141 516286 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :getAndPut new = get >>= \ old -> put new >> return old
< 1319445153 408778 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @pl @undo getAndPut new = do { old <- get; put new; return old }
< 1319445154 165226 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : getAndPut = (get >>=) . (. return) . (>>) . put
< 1319445159 899920 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The standard way is slightly more complicated to implement, I think.
< 1319445177 913587 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's @@?
< 1319445184 528130 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :getAndPut new = get <* put new
< 1319445193 203912 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like command compositions and interpolation kind of.
< 1319445198 914856 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have no idea wht <* is
< 1319445219 150119 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is used for Applicative (all monads can (and should) be made applicative too)
< 1319445247 301906 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas *> is like >> and <* is the same but using the first result instead of the second one
< 1319445275 510043 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Just 2 <* Just 3
< 1319445277 359492 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Just 2
< 1319445280 289230 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Just 2 <* Nothing
< 1319445281 740235 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Nothing
< 1319445282 479509 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep.
< 1319445291 971229 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<*)
< 1319445293 146734 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) a b. (Applicative f) => f a -> f b -> f a
< 1319445294 713723 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The <* operation is very useful with Parsec, in my experience.
< 1319445309 67026 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Nothing <* Just 2
< 1319445310 447168 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Nothing
< 1319445341 819445 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the Maybe monad there is probably no reason to use <* though
< 1319445378 521134 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: you can think of <* for monads being a generalization of exactly what you wrote.
< 1319445439 545748 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1,2,3] <* [4,5,6]
< 1319445440 921664 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [1,1,1,2,2,2,3,3,3]
< 1319445448 547589 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1,2,3] <* [4,5,6,7]
< 1319445449 964918 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,3,3,3,3]
< 1319446067 140165 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unwrapped and without transformers, my versions would be:  get = join (,); put = flip (,); modify = ap (,);  But of course you have to wrap them and allow transformers, so it would not be exactly like that.
< 1319446130 292332 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, now I just noticed, all three are similar! Only one function name, is different but all are (,)
< 1319446517 182175 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t join
< 1319446518 228709 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a. (Monad m) => m (m a) -> m a
< 1319446664 698558 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the (e ->) monad that is being used with join and ap
< 1319446677 607889 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the ap here is the same as the S combinator
< 1319446818 93062 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the (e ->) monad the definitions are (actually, as I figured out on paper):  return = const; fmap = (.); join f x = f x x;
< 1319447367 447318 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap also appears in zip`ap`tail, the aztec god of list manipulation or whatever they call it in #haskell
< 1319447379 697224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: (zip <*> tail) is nicer obvs
< 1319447395 409034 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but it lacks the glottal stops
< 1319448064 260970 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/168486_186959134658608_100000335695588_503135_7385896_n.jpg
< 1319448115 369785 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uploader description: It's the truth because it is not a lie.
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< 1319449010 251213 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys
< 1319449012 697089 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if
< 1319449019 249952 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :greater than is greater than lesser than.
< 1319449032 72516 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(>) > (<)
< 1319449034 516223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : x86 and perhaps some other machine languages are the only completely formalized languages that I know of.
< 1319449038 918792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the part where this guy is totally delusional.
< 1319449047 398656 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also (<) < (>)
< 1319449050 706329 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lol what.
< 1319449063 308913 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that is a good part.
< 1319449111 14534 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 QUIT :Quit: Goodbye
< 1319449157 676662 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :gwlp pRIWl OESWE ON DUNXIONA?
< 1319449192 213568 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get mad cred if you can decode what that was supposed to say.
< 1319449239 896750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it "gwlp pRIWl OESWE ON DUNXIONA?"
< 1319449260 331785 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, but that implies that if a implies b, then a implies b
< 1319449263 268347 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would also mean that
< 1319449275 172890 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a implies b is always true, or a implies b is always false.
< 1319449277 852324 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can't have any of that.
< 1319449386 733818 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the world will never know
< 1319449411 476507 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I actually meant to say, but was too sleep and almost asleep while typing and not sleep to find it out.
< 1319449422 964752 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now I'll llsleep
< 1319449428 145460 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnihiy
< 1319449443 350228 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to be that tired when EoA5 comes out :(
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< 1319450933 113295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm really tired, because a wasp woke me up at 3am
< 1319450946 874274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite sure how it got into my room; but those things buzz awfully loudly while you're trying to sleep
< 1319450982 563607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :about an hour later, I'd eventually managed to get it outside when it crawled into a student copy of Maple; I managed to hold it out of the window so that it was outside when it crawled back out again
< 1319450992 891812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thakn god for maple
< 1319451020 334251 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/lms8q/sir_you_are_doing_it_right/c2tyxnf
< 1319451233 838595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've never actually installed it
< 1319451245 995238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the license activation server for Maple 6 is still around?
< 1319451250 980258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if it even runs on modern OSes?
< 1319451265 933113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mentally ponders whether it'd be more likely to run on Windows 7 or WINE

< 1319451445 829046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1319451868 584062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Here, you get to be the latest victim of my wonderful monad: newtype Supply s a = Supply (State (Supply s a) a)
< 1319451891 216001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what?
< 1319451908 69596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't even seem to kind correctly
< 1319451910 836785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1319451914 305389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: umm, how come?
< 1319451924 323887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supply takes two arguments on the left, and one on the right
< 1319451934 179001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I don't think you know how data types work...
< 1319451948 12900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't
< 1319451954 719875 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the first Supply on the right is the constructor... oh
< 1319451957 806536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Tuple a b = Tuple (a,b) -- omg only one argument on the right kind error!!!!
< 1319451986 105194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you can have a constructor and a type with the same name?
< 1319451993 386210 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: does ais523 know Haskell? If someone hasn't learned Haskell, I'd think it's unreasonable to expect them to know that. Oh. Yes
< 1319451997 828832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that strikes me as more confusing than useful
< 1319452001 539074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: I sort-of know Haskell
< 1319452006 12396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well enough to write it, but not well enough to read it
< 1319452008 106807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That... is overwhelmingly the most common case.
< 1319452010 993808 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game
< 1319452020 217488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance: Every record. Every wrapper type, including every newtype.
< 1319452033 422822 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's not a requirement for newtype, is it?
< 1319452035 446097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm used to ADTs, where doing that doesn't make much sense
< 1319452040 978816 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, probably incredibly common, but
< 1319452121 622944 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, idea:
< 1319452145 874217 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some program poly...whatever to both with and without existential thingies, yet do different things
< 1319452151 361747 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that even possible?
< 1319452151 571342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What
< 1319452166 594042 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, it does different things depending on whether or not foreach is a keyword
< 1319452184 944493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a polyglot on Haskell and foreachless Haskell?
< 1319452198 88051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, and foreach is not a keyword in Haskell.
< 1319452208 809599 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Haskell type signatures are implicitly quantified. When the language option -XExplicitForAll is used, the keyword forall allows us to say exactly what this means. For example:"
< 1319452209 647899 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That
< 1319452222 240510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're going to have to work on your spelling.
< 1319452238 413170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, no.
< 1319452246 700453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"forall x." is always invalid with forall off.
< 1319452256 515506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"forall x ->" or similar is always invalid with it on.
< 1319452273 938835 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :....I now know for a fact that I am tired
< 1319452278 354959 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"foreach" wtf
< 1319452344 877037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: did you have a wasp keeping you awake?
< 1319452378 95618 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1319452386 173978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, annoying reddit bug: if someone replies to you then deletes the reply
< 1319452397 691672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get an orangered envelope, but no new messages when you click on it
< 1319452508 256797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'll make sure not to do that, then.
< 1319452621 718858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, reading internal Microsoft emails that came out as court case exhibits reminds me of just how much I hate top-posting
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< 1319452657 565500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did you know that someone reimplemented cron in java? feature-for-feature?
< 1319452671 783716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, but I'm not surprised
< 1319452672 514717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: relatedly: I'm using a feature-for-feature reimplementation of cron in Java, woe is me
< 1319452680 186192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, SE or EE?
< 1319452686 22558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see plausible arguments for either
< 1319452688 555942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cron4j can run on any Java 2 (or later) platform."
< 1319452707 564920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java programmers definitely like reimplementing things.
< 1319452716 66115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have their own full printf, their own SQLite...
< 1319452732 346459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :having their own printf makes sense
< 1319452762 398471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most languages have their own printf
< 1319452767 211308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, I mean, there's literally a package that tries to duplicate every single feature of glibc printf or whatever
< 1319452769 426195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the letter
< 1319452786 241392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in case you REALLY NEED some HARDCORE FORMATTED PRINTINF
< 1319452788 306791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was vaguely surprised at Java having more or less an exact copy of recent Perl 5 regexen
< 1319452799 990430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only features missing were the ones that let you embed arbitrary Perl
< 1319452807 553833 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would they have their own SQLite?
< 1319452815 427864 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it binary compatible with normal SQLite files?
< 1319452819 98708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a Perl module that actually embeds SQLite
< 1319452829 719589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, you install the module, and it has the entire source code to SQLite in the module source
< 1319452856 616239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: no, it's just "an embedded file-based SQL database"
< 1319452871 977419 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's "wonderful"
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< 1319453155 539416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ooh, I just thought of an awful esolang idea
< 1319453163 66440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go for it
< 1319453175 584812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering about making a thematic esolang designed to resemble mail archives
< 1319453201 492704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a language with all the speed advantages of a stop-the-world mark-and-sweep GC, and all the convenience and safety of manual memory management
< 1319453210 8147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where flow control, etc, would be done by sending more messages, appending them to the end of the archive
< 1319453214 115185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hasn't that been done already?
< 1319453219 892772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eightebed is a bit different
< 1319453229 509315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I was trying to remember the name
< 1319453241 324006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway: memory is managed manually with malloc() and free(), /but/ a mark-and-sweep cycle is periodically run, and unless there are no objects to sweep, the program dies
< 1319453250 668664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to keep free()ing garbage as early as possible :-P
< 1319453278 209439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not completely useless
< 1319453290 944649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more of a check that you aren't leaking memory, than anything else
< 1319453298 131896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar to valgrind, except failing faster
< 1319453321 274043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, it's going to do the one thing which would be useful in valgrind but it can't feasibly do: let you know where you should have freed something but didn't
< 1319453338 103678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so stupid as a language, very useful as a debugging tool
< 1319453345 929655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but it isn't even at a reasonable point
< 1319453354 326733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, it's impossible in general
< 1319453358 289918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a and b become garbage simultaneously
< 1319453360 390259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should happen every command, obviously
< 1319453367 948902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then both free(a);free(b) and free(b);free(a) can lead to death
< 1319453369 633431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need to like
< 1319453371 506664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stagger garbage
< 1319453382 548644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this makes freeing a cyclic structure safely totally impossible
< 1319453390 216199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you should free things just before they become garbage, not afterwards
< 1319453394 968690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if you had an atomic compare-and-swap
< 1319453397 683565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and freeing a cyclic structure is easy, you just break the cycle first
< 1319453418 315466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1319453418 943256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what the ->delete(); in blognomic-parser is for
< 1319453426 450758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as Perl's GC can't free cyclic structures, which those are
< 1319453431 21861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't read it because it was ugly
< 1319453432 387063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they have an explicit cycle-breaking method
< 1319453434 432703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the script, I mean
< 1319453445 459909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you find ugly about it?
< 1319453457 22741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, it probably just looked like perl
< 1319453462 473348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319453462 546031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing personal :p
< 1319453466 441999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(print "Only [0-9a-zA-Z_-] are accepted in proposal names.\n"), exit
< 1319453466 585000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  unless $proposal =~ /^[0-9a-zA-Z_-]+$/;
< 1319453469 837787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's perverse
< 1319453473 363582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the parens, that is
< 1319453501 369288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they make it clearer
< 1319453505 333583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise exit would be an argument to print
< 1319453507 714221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1319453514 901337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can't remember whether it gets evaluated after or before it starts printing
< 1319453522 421981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, what did blognomicbot actually do? ... I vaguely remember it, but not much exact
< 1319453530 27118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it announced new posts and votes?
< 1319453535 305377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION curious

< 1319453538 412254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ran blognomic-parser on request, and updated the channel membership in the sidebar
< 1319453547 161970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1319453550 556145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my memory is totally wrong then :p
< 1319453552 155981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, did ChanServ's duty for when ChanServ was broken
< 1319453564 59044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was the original reason it was created, more or less
< 1319453568 273654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1319453575 754912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'd just tell it to op me if ChanServ was missing)
< 1319453579 1808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319453587 82187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still can't figure out that op policy
< 1319453599 162976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's traditional, at least
< 1319453608 842357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, originally it was to op admins and voice players
< 1319453632 154525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but once I took over the channel (by reregistering it after it was dropped because nobody else had been there for a month), I just decided to op everyone, because I wasn't an admin
< 1319453643 79628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should op me now, I registered :p
< 1319453651 792690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1319453652 916202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN I CAN TAKE OVER THE WORLD MWAHAHAHAHAHA
< 1319453667 341387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :done
< 1319453698 512490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man, there's a Cobol on the JVM???
< 1319453703 238941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what I'm writing MY Bukkit plugins in.
< 1319453717 367053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NucleoNB is identified, but I haven't opped them because I have no idea who they are
< 1319453730 865941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've no idea, either
< 1319453734 775454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just came in and said hi and never said anything more
< 1319453739 410504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they're a fish.
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< 1319458607 681391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, one of the spambots was advertising SEO
< 1319458678 652834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, can they get me promoted on esolangs.org?
< 1319458733 846877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319459369 303592 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319459616 625834 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here know how to get grep -R to not follow symlinks?
< 1319459621 602878 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than using find and xargs?
< 1319459715 268443 :TeruFSX2!~quassel@71-210-153-125.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319459733 243401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :       -R, -r, --recursive
< 1319459733 315880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :              Read all  files  under  each  directory,  recursively;  this  is
< 1319459733 316050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :              equivalent to the -d recurse option.
< 1319459742 897718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-d does not seem to be documented
< 1319459747 827236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319459760 547119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :       -D ACTION, --devices=ACTION
< 1319459760 719299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :              If an input file is a device, FIFO  or  socket,  use  ACTION  to
< 1319459760 791511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :              process  it.   By  default,  ACTION  is  read,  which means that
< 1319459760 903802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :              devices are read just as if they were ordinary files.  If ACTION
< 1319459760 976197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :              is skip, devices are silently skipped.
< 1319459760 976429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :       -d ACTION, --directories=ACTION
< 1319459763 114419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :              If  an  input file is a directory, use ACTION to process it.  By
< 1319459765 60685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :              default, ACTION is read, which means that directories  are  read
< 1319459767 64144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :              just  as  if  they  were  ordinary  files.   If  ACTION is skip,
< 1319459769 235393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :              directories are silently skipped.  If ACTION  is  recurse,  grep
< 1319459771 108755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :              reads  all  files  under  each  directory,  recursively; this is
< 1319459773 14583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :              equivalent to the -r option.
< 1319459775 67102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: looks like you can control absolutely everything except that :
< 1319459777 120054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1319459793 721445 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319459850 58475 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, found it
< 1319459856 876420 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking for a plagiarism-checking script I wrote
< 1319459878 315696 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after a while, I realised it'd be easier to look for the filename extension than the contents of the file, and a quick find -P found it for me
< 1319459885 913282 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a really bizarrely stupid place, why did I put it there?
< 1319460208 738615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Can you go to http://blognomic.com/update/index.php?C=publish and make a post requesting to become Idle?
< 1319460354 313961 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He did it
< 1319461174 74804 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319461941 721916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t mfix
< 1319461942 669061 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a (m :: * -> *). (MonadFix m) => (a -> m a) -> m a
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< 1319463974 288722 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude
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< 1319464621 12367 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :plagiarism is the right thing to do, bits need to flow free
< 1319464673 991630 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I vaguely wonder why I bothered making it do things like detect changes in whitespace and variable name substitutions, where the plagiarised submissions it found differed by one byte (the capitalisation of one letter in an identifier)
< 1319464695 198916 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow.
< 1319464720 204167 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they actually consistently changed all the occurrences?
< 1319464734 952180 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that identifier only occurs once per file, but in three different files
< 1319464739 588041 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and was changed consistently, indeed
< 1319464747 488036 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that's only a difference of one bit
< 1319464766 550872 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
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< 1319467055 876871 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sitting at a table in a busy hallway on my computer
< 1319467063 385791 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dean just walked by and said hi to me
< 1319467065 249503 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o
< 1319467232 451359 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you say hi back again?
< 1319467894 342479 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1319468848 859721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, annoying line of code a student wrote: double iValue;
< 1319468856 463981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like Hungarian notation, except the prefix doesn't mean anything at all
< 1319468862 312077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's just there to look pretty
< 1319468879 262644 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it means something and you just don't know what.
< 1319468888 37358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they didn't know either
< 1319468892 355198 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn
< 1319468895 224582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mark the work in front of the students, and can ask them questions)
< 1319468902 408939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, they didn't admit to knowing
< 1319468919 909340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh right, annoying line of code a student wrote: double iValue;
< 1319468925 54442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance variable, perhaps?
< 1319468928 468743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to local variable
< 1319468932 893469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, it was local
< 1319468937 860837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
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< 1319470127 892993 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's the value i, obviously.
< 1319470147 710552 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION appends Value to all of his variable names in Java.

< 1319470228 223148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about reference types?
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< 1319470398 606438 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foo fooReferenceValue;
< 1319470467 477732 :nooga!~nooga@95.108.116.52 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1319470592 968153 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :all variables are values on their fleshy pink insides.
< 1319470601 709741 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it on their fleshy pink shells?
< 1319470617 464741 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. values are delicious. this is a good analogy.
< 1319470711 372339 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Object sometypeValueThatHasFirstClassStatus;
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< 1319470923 536036 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runnable aYoungIdealisticLoverDazedByNotionsOfRomanticFancy;
< 1319470923 805794 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :char **charppThatCanBeThoughtOfAsStringArrayOrCharacterMatrixOrUpdatableStringPointerOrArrayOfUpdatableStrings;
< 1319470939 335610 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to give my variables characters.
< 1319471005 384538 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?AreLongAndDescriptiveRelated
< 1319471117 117288 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokens work if you're trying to analyze the syntactic complexity
< 1319471165 726979 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-whitespace keystrokes/bytes works too, as a rough gadge of time/effort invested into the code (not counting the countless deletions)
< 1319471446 290111 :Nisstyre!~yours@infocalypse-net.info QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1319472129 608577 :Auzi!~az_ummo@115.186.65.252 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319472150 772669 :Auzi!~az_ummo@115.186.65.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=S
< 1319472153 277229 :Auzi!~az_ummo@115.186.65.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEYY
< 1319472165 120655 :ovizunstore!~rajim@180.234.52.28 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319472220 535176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1319472225 995403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome
< 1319472228 717100 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
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< 1319472257 495034 :ovizunstore!~rajim@180.234.52.28 QUIT :
< 1319472454 32924 :Auzi!~az_ummo@115.186.65.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUP
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< 1319473079 24733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?unmtl StateT s m a
< 1319473079 462449 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s -> m (a, s)
< 1319473663 624605 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks cool
< 1319473803 770742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1319473845 380360 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense to me, no question about it
< 1319474341 572422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1319474810 107247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t state
< 1319474810 861926 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall s a. (s -> (a, s)) -> State s a
< 1319474818 579562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle (a,s) -> State s a
< 1319474818 987200 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Graph.Inductive.Graph insNode :: DynGraph gr => LNode a -> gr a b -> gr a b
< 1319474819 264581 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Graph.Inductive.Graph insNodes :: DynGraph gr => [LNode a] -> gr a b -> gr a b
< 1319474819 336933 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Graph.Inductive.Graph mkGraph :: Graph gr => [LNode a] -> [LEdge b] -> gr a b
< 1319474825 717661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t stateT
< 1319474826 455173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `stateT'
< 1319474828 862264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, StateT
< 1319475070 969846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319475295 392261 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1319475298 3334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/JodaOrg/joda-time/blob/master/src/main/java/org/joda/time/chrono/BasicGJChronology.java#L79
< 1319475303 435165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you should click that link
< 1319475307 937521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trust me
< 1319475339 810053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that sort of link works correctly on my system
< 1319475343 633929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it looks interesting
< 1319475369 540296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what sort of link?
< 1319475376 124760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https?
< 1319475393 711975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :links to github that specify anchors
< 1319475404 128653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :often I just get a page with no content
< 1319475410 917320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's the anchor's /fault/
< 1319475422 693744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just tested it without JS
< 1319475424 669164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :works fine
< 1319475429 563057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that the sort of page that github generates that sort of anchor on doesn't work properly
< 1319475434 4796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, it didn't work for me even with JS
< 1319475435 745526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try it anyway
< 1319475451 236770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://raw.github.com/JodaOrg/joda-time/master/src/main/java/org/joda/time/chrono/BasicGJChronology.java, grep /getMonthOfYear/
< 1319475454 160910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, it almost works
< 1319475459 869207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the anchor doesn't, but the page content is at least readable
< 1319475459 941738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a text/plain, so there's nothing to complain about
< 1319475509 462499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm, umm, not convinced that that isn't premature optimization
< 1319475520 347324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I'm not even completely convinced that that's faster than the obvious way of writing it
< 1319475528 716589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it probably is or they wouldn't have gone to all that trouble
< 1319475546 513618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think joda-time is used in all sorts of Big Iron
< 1319475549 371921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still ridiculous
< 1319475587 101420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up with measuring time in years and milliseconds, anyway?
< 1319475622 908534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows
< 1319475629 851524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's all converted to that
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< 1319476618 383490 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have just came up with a way of using a biased coin as a fair coin!
< 1319476633 498906 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody probably beat me to it
< 1319476656 191260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a coin that always shows up heads?
< 1319476674 424244 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Damn
< 1319476706 341689 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319476836 762179 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wait, it ends with a 2x^2-2x probability of getting heads
< 1319476841 907370 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a 1/2
< 1319476898 416115 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait...
< 1319476912 481627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_coin#Fair_results_from_a_biased_coin
< 1319476922 448257 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking at that
< 1319478122 802575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Mauke: STOP USING while(true);!
< 1319478122 904329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Mauke: it's for(;;);
< 1319478123 376546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Mauke: when you use while(true), you rely on optimizations
< 1319478127 833639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: one of your C students escaped into the wild
< 1319478138 668792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1319478143 425975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1319478160 620637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: tell Ololo that if you write for(;;), you're relying on the compiler not actually inserting the NOPs in the loop
< 1319478166 568603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's an optimization too
< 1319478167 732044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1319478190 253662 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All programming languages should have an explicit forever loop
< 1319478195 753909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: done :p
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< 1319478402 212753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I personally use while ("Cogito, ergo sum") { ... } because since that is a priori true, it is true in all possible universes, and therefore ensures maximum portability.
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< 1319482631 831448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle (a->Bool)->[a]->Maybe a
< 1319482632 262428 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List find :: (a -> Bool) -> [a] -> Maybe a
< 1319482632 475733 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Foldable find :: Foldable t => (a -> Bool) -> t a -> Maybe a
< 1319482632 611338 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List findIndex :: (a -> Bool) -> [a] -> Maybe Int
< 1319482766 413748 :nooga!~nooga@87-205-66-8.adsl.inetia.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh
< 1319482813 15466 :nooga!~nooga@87-205-66-8.adsl.inetia.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :< Ngevd> All programming languages should have an explicit forever loop <- Haskell?
< 1319482816 110036 :nooga!~nooga@87-205-66-8.adsl.inetia.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
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< 1319482861 450072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could easily write a monad forever loop
< 1319482879 790703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> repeat x
< 1319482883 848062 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1319482891 56764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1319482892 612303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t repeat
< 1319482896 192423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. a -> [a]
< 1319482898 610112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought so
< 1319482901 424955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> repeat 1
< 1319482902 528987 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,...
< 1319482907 143093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why did it fail on x?
< 1319482929 458605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldM
< 1319482930 471149 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b (m :: * -> *). (Monad m) => (a -> b -> m a) -> a -> [b] -> m a
< 1319482949 861007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldl
< 1319482950 630135 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (a -> b -> a) -> a -> [b] -> a
< 1319483008 194185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle (a -> Maybe b) -> [a] -> Maybe b
< 1319483008 586935 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude mapM_ :: Monad m => (a -> m b) -> [a] -> m ()
< 1319483008 868427 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad mapM_ :: Monad m => (a -> m b) -> [a] -> m ()
< 1319483008 940656 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad forM_ :: Monad m => [a] -> (a -> m b) -> m ()
< 1319483049 159163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \x. (foldl (>>=) $ return () $ repeat x)
< 1319483050 169321 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `.'
< 1319483057 44741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \x -> (foldl (>>=) $ return () $ repeat x)
< 1319483057 908606 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match expected type `m b' against inferred type `()'
< 1319483058 207446 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the second argument of `($)', namely `return () $ repeat x'
< 1319483058 280606 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the expression: (foldl (>>=) $ return () $ repeat x)
< 1319483075 276567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \x -> (foldl (>>=) $ (return ()) $ repeat x)
< 1319483076 64360 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match expected type `m b' against inferred type `()'
< 1319483076 136936 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the second argument of `($)', namely `(return ()) $ repeat x'
< 1319483076 137112 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the expression: (foldl (>>=) $ (return ()) $ repeat x)
< 1319483098 789810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t return ()
< 1319483099 604871 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *). (Monad m) => m ()
< 1319483114 562099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldl (>>=)
< 1319483115 257914 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) b. (Monad m) => m b -> [b -> m b] -> m b
< 1319483133 696407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \x -> (foldl (>>=) (return ()) (repeat x))
< 1319483134 346726 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *). (Monad m) => (() -> m ()) -> m ()
< 1319483142 116548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1319483143 402971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go
< 1319483145 176253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott, btw
< 1319483160 322505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one of haskell's few glaring weaknesses I'm running into here :(
< 1319483164 483447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \x -> (foldl (>>) (return ()) (repeat x))
< 1319483165 313567 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *). (Monad m) => m () -> m ()
< 1319483168 316710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it
< 1319483175 859967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go: the Haskell forever loop
< 1319483204 818339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (foldl (>>) (return ()) (repeat x)) (putStr "test")
< 1319483207 95622 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `m ()'
< 1319483207 259112 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type `SimpleRe...
< 1319483214 282688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t putStr "test"
< 1319483215 68768 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO ()
< 1319483238 475580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, does lambdabot not allow IOs?
< 1319483273 496123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not "doesn't allow them"
< 1319483277 999776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an expression evaluator
< 1319483285 527488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\x -> (foldl (>>) (return ()) (repeat x))) (putStr "test")
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< 1319483294 367192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\x -> (foldl (>>) (return ()) (repeat x))) (putStrLn "test")
< 1319483296 761818 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  
< 1319483311 294599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am amused by the difference between those two results
< 1319483324 602056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using the correct fold, right? (foldl is the one that works on lazy lists?)
< 1319483367 547418 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldl f z (repeat x)
< 1319483372 302397 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1319483382 258189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr f z (repeat x)
< 1319483382 782162 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr f z (repeat x)
< 1319483382 889159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: foldr works on infinite lists
< 1319483385 390037 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  f x (f x (f x (f x (f x (f x (f x (f x (f x (f x (f x (f x (f x (f x (f x (...
< 1319483386 33263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: aha
< 1319483387 332884 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  f x (f x (f x (f x (f x (f x (f x (f x (f x (f x (f x (f x (f x (f x (f x (...
< 1319483393 783012 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\x -> (foldr (>>) (return ()) (repeat x))) (putStr "test")
< 1319483395 687803 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  
< 1319483398 504081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go
< 1319483418 606960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, and in ghci it fills my screen with "test"
< 1319483428 492808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\x -> (foldr (>>) (return ()) (repeat x)))
< 1319483429 653209 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldr (>>) (return ()) . repeat
< 1319483438 842630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hate to burst your bubble
< 1319483439 670591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1319483440 833585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Haskell forever loop, behold it!
< 1319483440 996793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t forever
< 1319483449 23976 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a b. (Monad m) => m a -> m b
< 1319483458 275035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey, it has to be implemented at some point
< 1319483464 241712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src forever
< 1319483464 539246 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. :(
< 1319483479 370873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  That was me being *nice*. I could have made the request by word of mouth to my My Little Pony toys and it would count.
< 1319483481 175919 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :692)  That was me being *nice*. I could have made the request by word of mouth to my My Little Pony toys and it would count.
< 1319483481 810698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably, that forever has extra stuff in to handle ignoring the argument?
< 1319483489 331437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: forever m = m >> forever m
< 1319483514 173640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl a x = x >> a x
< 1319483514 347056 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a x = x >> (a x)
< 1319483516 944680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl a x = x >> a x
< 1319483517 101741 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = fix (ap (>>))
< 1319483518 453641 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever = fix <*> (>>)
< 1319483526 290180 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn, it wasn't
< 1319483555 75323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, Haskell's HTML scraping stuff is so terrible
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< 1319485220 570658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: You're the resident NetSurf expert; is Hubbub completely undocumented
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< 1319487002 661618 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                                                                                                      
< 1319487010 276637 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy:
< 1319487031 587568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1319487032 394573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia:
< 1319487053 695427 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :/
< 1319487059 792983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319487059 865557 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me more motivation
< 1319487070 431632 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan:be awesome
< 1319487075 257742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION motivates quintopia with the saucepan ===\__/

< 1319487081 388876 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1319487086 291563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1319487144 142232 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear. not the saucepan of awesome
< 1319487178 103422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE VERY SAME
< 1319487227 960120 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sourcepan of awesome
< 1319487260 335061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an open saucepan
< 1319487279 717608 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :for making open sauce?
< 1319487313 670865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :conceivably.
< 1319487438 708284 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :open sausome
< 1319487470 974776 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i borrow it for a bit?
< 1319487548 781937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1319487585 121586 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no?
< 1319487587 206650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :last someone got hand of it they started producing fakes and claiming they were the real thing
< 1319487591 216965 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll give it back :/
< 1319487639 246511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gives quintopia a hands-on saucepan lecture ===\__/

< 1319487654 393356 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1319487660 605526 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats a head-on lecture
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< 1319487675 626262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i'm sorry, it was _my_ hands, your head
< 1319487764 594832 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :too late. you have to make the joke when you draw the pan or it doesnt count.
< 1319487785 298581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very well.  sorry about your hands.
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< 1319487924 164759 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sokay. i was wearing the +5 Gauntlets of Throwing Down
< 1319487929 136465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : coppro: You think you're evil? I just came up with this: newtype SupplyT s m a = SupplyT (StateT (SupplyT s m s) m a)
< 1319487940 540201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...is that a _bottomless_ transformer stack...
< 1319487947 876969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's the state par
< 1319487948 196705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1319487950 375176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the transformed monad
< 1319487950 447863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
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< 1319487976 671213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: however upon reflection I think it should actually be
< 1319487977 634456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype SupplyT s m a = SupplyT { unwrapSupplyT :: StateT (ProviderT m s) m a }
< 1319487977 707589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Supply s = SupplyT s Identity
< 1319487977 707767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype ProviderT m s = ProviderT { runProviderT :: m (s, ProviderT m s) }
< 1319487977 707874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Provider = ProviderT Identity
< 1319487984 760991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: hahahahahgkljhsfh pclinuxos
< 1319487993 893868 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1319488060 18366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm iiuc you _can_ have a bottomless transformer stack if you use ContT in it
< 1319488089 93320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...actually _running_ it might be tricky
< 1319488128 351974 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats pclinuxos
< 1319488138 645916 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319488159 403323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype RecCont r x = RecCont { runRecCont :: ContT r (RecCont r) x }
< 1319488176 512319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src return ContT
< 1319488176 723844 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. You type like i drive.
< 1319488183 112192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src ContT return
< 1319488183 432973 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :return a = ContT ($ a)
< 1319488205 52195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src ContT (>>=)
< 1319488205 227101 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :m >>= k  = ContT $ \c -> runContT m (\a -> runContT (k a) c)
< 1319488230 748028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src ContT
< 1319488231 119961 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype ContT r m a = ContT { runContT :: (a -> m r) -> m r }
< 1319488602 990174 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1319488605 20432 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1319488608 173997 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but am not sure
< 1319488611 44286 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that someone
< 1319488613 322499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t state
< 1319488614 36200 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall s a. (s -> (a, s)) -> State s a
< 1319488616 874838 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on The Young Apprentice
< 1319488621 364823 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did not know what profit was.
< 1319488638 60665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:31:03:  It is simple to implement:   flip (,)
< 1319488638 132956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:31:29:  getAndPut new = do { old <- get; put new; return old }
< 1319488638 133119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:31:37:  ^^probably beginner style cod
< 1319488652 495107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember not understanding what profit was. I wondered why people just didn't sell things for like a penny; then so many people would buy them that they'd make more money than everyone else.
< 1319488661 359895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: don't you mean just (,)
< 1319488686 540149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when they do the proposed change of state into a method, it will be just state (,) for all MonadState
< 1319488714 119491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t state (,)
< 1319488714 795457 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match expected type `(a, s)'
< 1319488714 933174 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :           against inferred type `b -> (s, b)'
< 1319488715 5897 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the first argument of `state', namely `(,)'
< 1319488715 500367 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, these guys are a) 16 or so and b) supposedly the cream of the junior economic crop (read: most of them need to be punched in the face many, many times).
< 1319488717 944266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1319488721 279680 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No.   return = (,)
< 1319488739 223199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src State
< 1319488739 295696 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Listen, broccoli brains, I don't have time to listen to this trash.
< 1319488754 152024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh right
< 1319488788 732236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like lambdabot's insults on source not found
< 1319488797 281114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm why didn't that type
< 1319488802 697646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't fit a serious language like Haskell, and it isn't even the user's fault
< 1319488805 392743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (,)
< 1319488806 95545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. a -> b -> (a, b)
< 1319488810 584787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh
< 1319488814 203292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t state . (,)
< 1319488815 69961 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall s a. a -> State s a
< 1319488818 812314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in retrospect, that was pretty obvious
< 1319488819 953706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t state . flip (,)
< 1319488820 634361 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. a -> State a a
< 1319488824 751292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the :t (,) thing)
< 1319488828 798105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just forgotten what (,) did
< 1319488832 769112 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they would be:   return = state . (,); modify = state . ap (,); put = state . flip (,); get = state $ join (,);
< 1319488864 427297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : they don't fit a serious language like Haskell, and it isn't even the user's fault
< 1319488876 600679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: any bot that can run code in a serious language must be itself serious?
< 1319488891 196965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, EgoBot can run C...
< 1319488893 857703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but any bot that's effectively the IRC representative for a serious language probably should be
< 1319488919 586613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot would be a lot worse a representative were it boring.
< 1319488985 35520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't really like lambdabot's insults on source not found <-- well it's hilariously ironic given how often lambdabot @src is missing things
< 1319489056 131888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be missing more or less everything
< 1319489063 317935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know anything that lambdabot /does/ have the source for?
< 1319489067 787652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src flip
< 1319489067 927213 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip f x y = f y x
< 1319489069 243420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src (++)
< 1319489069 435571 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[]     ++ ys = ys
< 1319489069 718668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
< 1319489069 799371 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x:xs) ++ ys = x : (xs ++ ys)
< 1319489069 872004 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- OR
< 1319489069 872165 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :xs ++ ys = foldr (:) ys xs
< 1319489074 189433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src [] (>>=)
< 1319489074 401365 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :xs >>= f     = concatMap f xs
< 1319489078 521769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src State return
< 1319489078 594204 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. BOB says:  You seem to have forgotten your passwd, enter another!
< 1319489080 759489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1319489083 247350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't have mtl I bet
< 1319489091 371630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src ContT return
< 1319489091 482744 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :return a = ContT ($ a)
< 1319489092 443954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably just prelude/data.list
< 1319489094 344019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh huh
< 1319489096 593730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src StateT return
< 1319489096 785939 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. And you call yourself a Rocket Scientist!
< 1319489099 119246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erird
< 1319489099 922698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird
< 1319489110 93521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Cont (>>=)
< 1319489110 166275 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :m >>= k  = Cont $ \c -> runCont m $ \a -> runCont (k a) c
< 1319489117 889558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that's messy
< 1319489120 723831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src runCont
< 1319489121 22694 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. :(
< 1319489125 137441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still the old version for Cont
< 1319489135 825749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Cont
< 1319489135 921797 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Cont r a = Cont { runCont :: (a -> r) -> r }
< 1319489140 398523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's not messy
< 1319489145 548874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(>>=) is what's messy, really
< 1319489152 502712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Cont (>>)
< 1319489152 665228 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. My brain just exploded
< 1319489168 897255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src (>>)
< 1319489169 73037 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :m >> k      = m >>= \_ -> k
< 1319489181 825344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at lambdabot with disapproval

< 1319489200 187654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: most monads don't specialise (>>).
< 1319489266 776943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why doesn't it give the default (>>)?
< 1319489322 2839 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, join should be made a class method of Monad
< 1319489482 993849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because you asked for Cont's
< 1319489491 737690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: which is the default's?
< 1319489504 103716 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1319489506 676961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : @src (>>)
< 1319489506 749413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : m >> k      = m >>= \_ -> k
< 1319489571 479739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed
< 1319489578 645969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why can't it see that Cont uses the default (>>) impl and use that?
< 1319489615 802712 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319489642 17050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because lambdabot is the crustiest piece of haskell code ever
< 1319489646 114711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not maintained
< 1319489648 40670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :send a patch
< 1319489719 110037 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin_
< 1319489731 274126 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1319489735 165023 :copumpkin_!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin
< 1319489790 943690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : "forall x." is always invalid with forall off.
< 1319489804 469718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not so sure of that.
< 1319489824 2825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to prove me wrong
< 1319489826 625533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where can . appear in a type
< 1319489840 270251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have type operators it can be a type variable
< 1319489848 476705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait
< 1319490068 185486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1319490124 925290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :value :: SomeThing1 (forall x . Something2)
< 1319490142 405767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _think_ that would parse with type operators without forall
< 1319490192 911687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell echo hi
< 1319490204 672821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help
< 1319490205 95734 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help .
< 1319490208 958842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1319490215 589962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait er
< 1319490217 730442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo hi
< 1319490222 715647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well didn't help
< 1319490235 569119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo hi
< 1319490307 606857 :nooga!~nooga@87-205-66-8.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1319490314 587875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and assuming it does, and value = undefined; then you can use value to choose a class instance, i think
< 1319490329 251693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something similar to that
< 1319490350 53406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319490497 512340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the SomeThing1 might not be needed, hm
< 1319491017 369610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: bah, it appears . is _specifically_ disallowed as a type operator, even without forall enabled
< 1319491023 331152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1319491073 142254 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-153-125.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1319491386 988007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/53093
< 1319491518 639621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Sgeo|Web http://hpaste.org/53093 _almost_ works.  it seems impossible.
< 1319491518 825041 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1319491607 251301 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a Haskell program that depends on many of the language options, but not all of them.
< 1319491616 970687 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works with all of them on, or all of them off.
< 1319491633 156055 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or any combination. And will output the result telling you which are on/off.
< 1319491641 253818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.
< 1319492014 688225 :Nisstyre!~yours@infocalypse-net.info QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319492019 627081 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319492060 697312 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made it test: CPP, MagicHash, OverloadedStrings, RebindableSyntax, TemplateHaskell. See if you can make it work more.
< 1319492075 766200 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even if you can write the code testing these same things.
< 1319492138 931938 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep

< 1319492490 66317 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1319493585 183583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck
< 1319493587 570210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip mccarthy
< 1319493698 419568 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unconfirmed
< 1319493744 990176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :reputable-looking twitter + comment on reddit claiming to be from family member; could be a hoax, but...
< 1319493762 917872 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that comment is new.
< 1319493852 792919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's been confirmed by the AAAI
< 1319493858 964604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1319493859 507973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to emails going round Universities
< 1319493863 653170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, I don't know who the AAAI are
< 1319493867 451780 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319493869 725518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can't speak as to how trustworthy they are
< 1319493885 894189 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319493905 177515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_for_the_Advancement_of_Artificial_Intelligence
< 1319493910 454282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mccarthy presided over it seems
< 1319493952 883903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  I personally use while ("Cogito, ergo sum") { ... } because since that is a priori true, it is true in all possible universes, and therefore ensures maximum portability.
< 1319493955 34812 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :693)  I personally use while ("Cogito, ergo sum") { ... } because since that is a priori true, it is true in all possible universes, and therefore ensures maximum portability.
< 1319494016 942503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ais are never trustworthy
< 1319494065 112205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait, are we _sure_ ais523 is human
< 1319494074 267462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1319494093 367413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: even if you aren't, don't I act human enough that it's sensible to treat me as one?
< 1319494119 101922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I've been accused of being lawful good often enough that I assume people generally find me trustworthy
< 1319494124 35798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just what an ai would say
< 1319494126 705661 :TeruFSX2!~quassel@71-210-153-125.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319494157 591675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but if an AI with my conversation abilities did say that, I think the best option would probably be to trust it anyway
< 1319494174 290261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and being an ai would explain _why_ you're lawful good
< 1319494200 324138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if I'm lawful good because I'm an AI, I'm still lawful good, and thus trustworthy despite being an AI
< 1319494224 835435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah but the question is, lawful according to which laws
< 1319494264 785843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if the law is "be nice to humans until you gain their trust sufficiently to enable the final takeover"
< 1319494300 736982 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if the alignments were renamed co-operative and un-co-operative?
< 1319494324 221757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the question would be, co-operate with whom?
< 1319494330 81422 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1319494420 403432 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1319494444 304309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : you could easily write a monad forever loop
< 1319494448 379209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t forever
< 1319494449 284523 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a b. (Monad m) => m a -> m b
< 1319494498 754706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : so why did it fail on x?
< 1319494509 141890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> repeat x
< 1319494509 914346 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Ambiguous occurrence `x'
< 1319494510 170672 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : It could refer to either `L.x', defined at  1
< 1319494534 225590 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1
< 1319494536 885355 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> repeat x
< 1319494537 641597 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,...
< 1319494556 717147 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate x
< 1319494557 932523 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `a -> a'
< 1319494558 84575 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type `Simple...
< 1319494558 616075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319494559 772381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, does all this explain why "repeat x" was timing out earlier?
< 1319494560 750924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes lambdabot just times out arbitrarily
< 1319494580 112140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the error message was different
< 1319494588 175017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate f x
< 1319494588 967984 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [x,f x,f (f x),f (f (f x)),f (f (f (f x))),f (f (f (f (f x)))),f (f (f (f (...
< 1319494633 419350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> x >>= f
< 1319494634 154810 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `m a'
< 1319494634 226610 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type `SimpleRef...
< 1319494651 384457 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever Just x
< 1319494654 481803 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :> forever Just x
< 1319494658 789896 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1319494663 274981 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1319494679 687492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> forever (:[]) x
< 1319494683 293730 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1319494688 678959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1319494696 896269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that does no useful output, obviously
< 1319494726 116198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm indeed
< 1319494748 203813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> forever undefined x
< 1319494752 45001 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1319494755 173068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1319494762 596700 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :does haskell have an 'alone' function by any chance?
< 1319494771 761593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: what would that mean?
< 1319494777 376021 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :> forever alone x
< 1319494778 594091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `alone'
< 1319494791 821520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats Patashu -----###

< 1319494797 136563 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow!
< 1319494813 681296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:[]) may be the closest
< 1319494928 197516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : :t \x -> (foldl (>>=) (return ()) (repeat x))
< 1319494936 840261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably want foldr not foldl
< 1319494946 274108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldl on an infinite list never halts
< 1319494951 902484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I fixed it later
< 1319494955 825337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I muddled which fold was which
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< 1319495100 125511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : @unpl a x = x >> a x
< 1319495105 226561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix (x >>)
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< 1319498781 536452 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :qft:
< 1319498792 823172 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) RIP John McCarthy
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< 1319507372 391920 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, seriously
< 1319507374 748420 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1319507375 244443 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :;.;
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< 1319514663 56728 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I managed to make a BarrierT monad that transforms a comonad.
< 1319514702 504433 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1319514736 225032 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :data BarrierT f b w t = UnitT t | BarrierT f (w b -> BarrierT f b w t);
< 1319514762 200838 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fmap f (UnitT x) = UnitT $ f x; fmap f (BarrierT a c) = BarrierT a $ fmap f . c; return = UnitT; join (UnitT x) = x; join (BarrierT a c) = BarrierT a $ join . extract . extend c;
< 1319514776 698282 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not checked if it correctly follows the monad laws, assuming w follows the comonad laws.
< 1319515287 634763 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other functions are:   wliftT :: (w b -> t) -> a -> BarrierT a b w t; yieldT :: Comonad w => f -> BarrierT f t w t; collectT :: Comonad w => w (BarrierT f () w t) -> [f]; operateT :: (Monad m, Comonad w) => (w f -> m (w b)) -> w (BarrierT f b w t) -> m (w t);
< 1319515345 546174 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I don't really like the name "wliftT" much and want to know if you can suggest a better name?)
< 1319515761 131258 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Excess Flood
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< 1319516381 567611 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: yes it was a sad day
< 1319516947 500832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
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< 1319519038 982804 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elll...dammit
< 1319519039 619983 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1319519089 593826 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll read them after I watch EoA5. And no one's here
< 1319519091 493707 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit
< 1319519857 394062 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1319521950 866067 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to think of, how can I make something like the = in TNT, using the Haskell type system?
< 1319522391 309006 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way?
< 1319523277 937845 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would some of the GHC extensions help?
< 1319523354 91207 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep
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< 1319527877 870512 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@message elliott If you can find a download, EoA5 is up
< 1319527878 550348 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: messages messages?
< 1319527885 71890 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott If you can find a download, EoA5 is up
< 1319527885 734932 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1319527894 291108 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Phantom_Hoover If you can find a download, EoA5 is up
< 1319527894 735678 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1319527901 293392 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell CakeProphet If you can find a download, EoA5 is up
< 1319527901 801833 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1319528535 481218 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seem to me, if the terms are types, then equality corresponds to isomorphism, but as far as I know there is no way to express that in the type system.
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< 1319532324 324430 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rincebrain.org/Cascade.torrent
< 1319532332 658189 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ EoA5 torrent
< 1319532342 62979 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CG0O78QW
< 1319532347 414463 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Already watched
< 1319532351 83015 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ MegaUpload download
< 1319532374 421838 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is for the other Homestucker's reference, I wasn't aware that you're a Homestuck person, sorry
< 1319532385 506916 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody ever is...
< 1319532391 989881 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I get my updates via RSS
< 1319532455 626305 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you're lucky that you were able to watch it
< 1319532459 365479 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newgrounds crashed
< 1319532466 45547 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used the Megaupload
< 1319532469 224912 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, ok
< 1319532635 41409 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I made classical logic in Haskell, I want to make number theory logic as well, but I cannot figure out how.
< 1319532959 718936 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got up to that chapter in Godel, Escher and Bach
< 1319533054 383292 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One idea is to make a new kind of function type that can only hold bijective functions, allowing some reversible computing stuff done in Haskell.
< 1319533370 507734 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that you can verify that two functions reverse each other, but you could store a pair of (a -> b, b -> a)
< 1319533377 500510 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then agian, why am I talking?
< 1319533478 145904 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: I did think of that, but that won't work because they are not necessarily inverses of each other
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< 1319533776 599237 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Template Haskell could be used somehow?
< 1319534202 886183 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wiki spam
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< 1319534669 198736 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, yeah, new pages first
< 1319534677 172213 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before [S]  1
< 1319539653 929407 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not totally sure, either, I haven't seen it conclusively disproved
< 1319539739 183423 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: as a more precise answer, the title "Historiallisesti tai aiheeltaan t�rkeit� kieli�" means "historically or thematically important languages"
< 1319539765 627817 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: OK. And now you also explained why that is there; thanks for that too.
< 1319539842 119115 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott There are non-[S] updates before the [S]
< 1319539842 553224 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1319539859 172922 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Phantom_Hoover There are non-[S] updates before the [S]
< 1319539859 748344 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1319540130 311355 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319540147 997274 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my programming languages are only good for moving people around the world and destroying ozone layers.
< 1319540334 69480 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is a program to check some of the properties of a Haskell program, like I have described, then it could be like a proof checker if the Haskell program is seen as a proof according to Curry-Howard. Another possible use is it might allow certain optimizations to be performed on such a program.
< 1319540594 104900 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the idea to represent equality of natural numbers as bijective function types. Haskell has no such type that is restricted to bijective functions; but if it did, it would be helpful that you can make reversible computing in Haskell!
< 1319540620 541876 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-202.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319540621 270125 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-172.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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< 1319541036 23337 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, (Maybe (Maybe Zero), Maybe (Maybe (Maybe Zero))) is isomorphic to (Maybe (Maybe (Maybe (Maybe (Maybe (Maybe Zero)))))), I think
< 1319541096 504248 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I do it correctly?
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< 1319541253 338600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION submits anagolf problem

< 1319541289 472018 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1319541300 224662 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319541313 99141 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what I am meaning by this stuff?
< 1319541351 167573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but I'm not sure of the answer
< 1319541738 546367 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game
< 1319541817 92994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ()(~(*)*:S:(\n)S~:^):^
< 1319541817 219900 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*\n
< 1319541825 772706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ()(~(*)*:S(\n)S~:^):^
< 1319541825 951312 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*\n**\n***\n****\n*****\n******\n*******\n********\n*********\n**********\n***********\n************\n*************\n**************\n***************\n****************\n*****************\n******************\n*******************\n********************\n*********************\n**********************\n***********************\n** ...too much output!
< 1319541828 758394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go
< 1319541838 945276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'twas right second time
< 1319541865 615966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one possible answer to question 2, is that it does have two stacks: the data stack, and the program stack
< 1319541889 159580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(another is that you store entire stacks in a stack element, and get more stacks that way)
< 1319542353 305314 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89ED9.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319542778 387327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think I just noticed community self-parody on Slashdot
< 1319542793 743185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where someone linked to the page where a future xkcd comic will eventually appear, in the hope that it would be at least loosely relevant
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< 1319546717 114472 :PH!5ead0b16@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.173.11.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the haps my friends?
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< 1319547582 58476 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude
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< 1319547741 575526 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb|Hovercraft
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< 1319550180 119417 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1319551761 226103 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the fixity for -> and can I set fixity for type operators
< 1319552107 670894 :PH!5ead0b16@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.173.11.22 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
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< 1319553887 332197 :Phantom_Hoover!5ead0b16@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.173.11.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just occurred to me to check if lambdabot has any messages.;
< 1319553888 35076 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1319553904 936692 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's a yes, then
< 1319553943 483532 :Phantom_Hoover!5ead0b16@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.173.11.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss the old days when elliott would read the Homestuck blogs on tumblr and then send me about ten messages bitching about them.\
< 1319553958 565501 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319554041 73086 :Phantom_Hoover!5ead0b16@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.173.11.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I suppose it would be prudent to actually get some work done at some point.
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< 1319554125 565872 :PH_!5ead0b16@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.173.11.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb|Hovercraft: wait what the hell were you doing online at half eight.
< 1319554137 887330 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was online at half eight?
< 1319554170 754219 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woah, I was
< 1319554175 759722 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1319554183 708928 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a morning person?
< 1319554226 397717 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319554449 884162 :PH_!5ead0b16@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.173.11.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb|Hovercraft: don't... don't you have school.
< 1319554458 107446 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half term
< 1319554489 646530 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :England's a couple of weeks out of sync with Scotland, if memory serves
< 1319554580 698461 :PH_!5ead0b16@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.173.11.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION eyes elliott's chair suspiciously.

< 1319554602 899058 :PH_!5ead0b16@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.173.11.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I'm going back to pretending I'm just about to do some work bye.
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< 1319557657 577952 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a confession to make
< 1319557663 774830 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not actually on a hovercraft
< 1319557719 463263 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :9/me cries
< 1319557728 862119 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :without the 9 that works better
< 1319557750 540225 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, i am so brokenhearted at the lack of hovercraft
< 1319558306 914644 :Phantom_Hoover!5ead0b16@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.173.11.22 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319558310 612124 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1319559256 244251 :Phantom_Hoover!5ead0b16@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.173.11.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computing while standing on one leg is surprisingly comfortable.
< 1319559978 130459 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's elliott when you need him
< 1319560003 580751 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a restaurant recommendation near Hexham
< 1319560098 674096 :Phantom_Hoover!5ead0b16@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.173.11.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pick a random restaurant.
< 1319560452 346373 :Phantom_Hoover!5ead0b16@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.173.11.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, I have a better idea.
< 1319560596 468098 :Phantom_Hoover!5ead0b16@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.173.11.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use http://random.irb.hr/ to select a restaurant, and rest assured that some parallel Taneb went to the right restaurant.
< 1319560624 56356 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's for my birthday meal!
< 1319560724 146873 :Phantom_Hoover!5ead0b16@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.173.11.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quantum birthday!
< 1319560727 211115 :Phantom_Hoover!5ead0b16@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.173.11.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best birthday.
< 1319560745 90312 :Phantom_Hoover!5ead0b16@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.173.11.22 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1319560753 79400 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know someone who experienced a combination of a near death experience and quantum immortality
< 1319560901 735955 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319560916 63964 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EPL?
< 1319560950 651405 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He got hit by a car, went home, had pizza, and woke up in hospital three weeks later, having not actually had pizza
< 1319561008 937366 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did he have his stomach pumped?
< 1319561030 888142 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he had imagined eating pizza
< 1319561044 597074 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or ate pizza in a universe which had its waveform collapsed
< 1319561170 636559 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh FFS, Prequel had an [S] update as well?
< 1319561184 455784 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an FA, right?
< 1319561190 534310 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best FA.
< 1319561245 357751 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god this is the best update
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< 1319563841 472935 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319564664 431502 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comment on the EPL evening school assignments:
< 1319564695 829286 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer to weekly assignment two question two can be found within one link from that page
< 1319564721 419929 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EPL?
< 1319564727 506323 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at the topic
< 1319564735 894202 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's what that was all about.
< 1319565275 402297 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...How does one do line breaks in underload
< 1319565276 375535 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
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< 1319568306 528947 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \x -> \y -> x && (not y)
< 1319568306 725611 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(. not) . (&&)
< 1319569691 478365 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :amphitheater
< 1319569776 936546 :amphitheater!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin
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< 1319570896 866427 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aargh
< 1319570923 342713 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The left channel on these headphones is broken, and I can't work out how to force everything into mono so I can listen to stereo stuff.
< 1319571117 947271 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :get working headphones
< 1319571149 5293 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not a practical short-term solution.
< 1319571159 623660 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is
< 1319571199 443203 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319571218 986608 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Short-term as in right now.
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< 1319571549 689612 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38  Now that I made classical logic in Haskell, I want to make number theory logic as well, but I cannot figure out how. <-- i think perhaps the problem is that your classical logic is purely propositional, but number theory requires quantifiers, so may essentially need dependent types which haskell doesn't have
< 1319571549 968074 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1319571630 794484 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319571633 990009 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :465)  drinks should come in long long pipes that drip liquid at varying speeds, and you shouldn't just casually taste to them, you should really try to understand what the artist (the canposer?) was trying to convey when making the drink   olsner: well you know i'm a genius. anyway i like how food works tho,
< 1319571723 784369 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 Although the type system (with UndecidableInstances) _is_ TC, so there should be _some_ way to encode it, but perhaps not in a way using the curry-howard isomorphism directly
< 1319571723 967680 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1319572410 890172 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  it's not a list of /all/ interesting esolangs, btw; otherwise you can take the first command from the first esolang, the second from the second, the third from the third, etc, then add 1 to all of them   and you get a new interesting esolang   diagonal principle…
< 1319572412 643526 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :694)  it's not a list of /all/ interesting esolangs, btw; otherwise you can take the first command from the first esolang, the second from the second, the third from the third, etc, then add 1 to all of them   and you get a new interesting esolang   diagonal principle…
< 1319572443 101729 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But must the result be interesting?
< 1319572449 108098 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1319572461 339601 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most interesting esolangs wouldn't even be partitionable into commands that way.
< 1319572470 846750 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: does it feel drafty in here?
< 1319572491 203360 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's quite warm in fact.
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< 1319572535 372072 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the draft is _way_ above your head, then
< 1319572574 513975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the resulting esolang would be interesting just based on the method of construction
< 1319572583 705508 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point
< 1319572635 104479 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, perhaps, but extending it infinitely would not necessarily result in an infinite series of interesting esolangs.
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< 1319572709 53411 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : the issue is, I'm also not convinced that you can build a transistor with hFE > 1 <-- does noit o'mnain worb have some analogy to the second law of thermodynamics, perhaps?
< 1319572743 80334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me
< 1319573095 314783 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38  What is the fixity for -> and can I set fixity for type operators <-- infixr 0 and yes, says http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/users_guide/data-type-extensions.html#infix-tycons
< 1319573095 490111 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1319573172 901392 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm why isn't it `T` in the example, might be a typo
< 1319573211 463419 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let infixl 0 `t`; t = (+) in 2 `t` 3 * 5
< 1319573212 308254 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  17
< 1319573221 828995 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let infixl 0 t; t = (+) in 2 `t` 3 * 5
< 1319573222 696866 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : parse error on input `t'
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< 1319573276 536740 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 I suspect there's a typo and the example should be infixl 7 `T`, :*:
< 1319573276 648530 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1319573361 356943 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319573521 169305 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Or ate pizza in a universe which had its waveform collapsed
< 1319573549 293487 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish my waveforms would collapse in a direction more consistent with my wishes
< 1319573598 808372 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...How does one do line breaks in underload
< 1319573612 672170 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: just put them in the program.  doesn't work on irc, of course.
< 1319573639 831122 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, sneaky
< 1319573655 358988 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, (...)! is a comment, which you can put line breaks in (i've used that for several of the programs on the wiki)
< 1319573765 910867 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they need to be put inside strings, not as executed commands (which will usually error out)
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< 1319574654 778308 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's up
< 1319574665 368901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's watched.
< 1319574666 146222 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
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< 1319574882 336883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Wait, it /crashed Newgrounds/?
< 1319574888 983721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This has to be some kind of record.
< 1319574901 754756 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319574956 534048 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, elliott, recommend a restaurant, dammit!
< 1319574966 511168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric
< 1319575018 991086 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in a manner of minutes, iirc
< 1319575038 354900 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is going to believe elliott never goes to restaurants

< 1319575056 500019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan believes many a thing
< 1319575075 141420 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1319575088 220036 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats Sgeo|web -----###

< 1319575109 518028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which past beliefs
< 1319575241 459725 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Astrology
< 1319575280 889179 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo|web: Wait, it /crashed Newgrounds/?
< 1319575288 363995 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In about two minutes, at that.
< 1319575349 841452 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw someone on Twitter joke that Hussie posted it on the CIA website, and crashed the government
< 1319575351 208928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: I think you're confusing past and current beliefs
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< 1319576373 656007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Looks like it just slowed down Newgrounds, not crashed it, and then Hussie took it off
< 1319576380 378513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it wasn't working
< 1319576428 271665 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newgrounds was showing maintenance pages for at least some time.
< 1319576466 399990 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Citation: hearsay from the SA thread.)
< 1319576479 392089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that thing will be back now.
< 1319576482 52463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many pages is it already?
< 1319576492 750249 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They started a new thread.
< 1319576498 837468 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's on ~10, IIRC.
< 1319576530 526709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Twenty-two;
< 1319576532 317915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/;/./
< 1319576664 916212 :copumpki_!~pumpkin@17.45.135.26 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319576760 538215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : If this had been some esoteric language where && had meant "subtract by three, but only if it's a full moon and Elvis is playing on the radio" I'd have agreed the OP should have explained it.
< 1319576764 346522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone want to implement that?
< 1319576827 667436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf derivative except that
< 1319576829 652812 :copumpki_!~pumpkin@17.45.135.26 NICK :copumpkin_
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< 1319576831 28294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone else implement it
< 1319576832 672249 :copumpkin_!~pumpkin@17.45.135.26 NICK :copumpkin
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< 1319576885 721713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "bf derivative except that" should be listed somewhere as a method of easily creating vast numbers of stupid esolangs
< 1319576894 917804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
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< 1319578596 758232 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wiki spam
< 1319578690 953899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deleted
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< 1319578705 169790 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's been a lot lately
< 1319578706 850568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So my MacBook Air broke.
< 1319578725 142241 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ran out of air, presumably
< 1319578735 178851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just about to watch the EOA Homestuck Flash today -- literally just about to -- and it just turned itself off and won't go back on again.
< 1319578737 608697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It KNOWS.
< 1319578806 705426 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-202.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Map +-.,><[] to 足引出入右左初終 BAM ESOLANG
< 1319578807 452445 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-202.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1319578830 593019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a good thing I have 5 computers to hand at all times like a sane person.
< 1319578837 61114 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-202.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :)
< 1319578863 445341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was it s/sane/reasonable/ I am Bad at References.
< 1319578870 923330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one has shitty speakers though.
< 1319578968 198244 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, is that Chinese or Japanese?
< 1319578976 526530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~$ cat /etc/debian_version
< 1319578976 695594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :squeeze/sid
< 1319578979 343094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, why am I on sid.
< 1319578992 586701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait.
< 1319578995 261915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on squeeze.
< 1319578997 154274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This thing lies.
< 1319579027 263750 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-202.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: Based on Japanese words, but I'd *imagine* it works just fine for Chinese as well.
< 1319579053 227131 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-202.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. 足し算・引き算 might not carry over that well to Chinese?
< 1319579083 143561 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Left foot leads into the right beginning of the end"
< 1319579098 716635 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very poignant
< 1319579106 507068 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-202.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's just "add subtract out in right left begin end".
< 1319579136 842784 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And from right to left end of the first leg pull" when done from japanese
< 1319579148 18196 :copumpki_!~pumpkin@17.45.135.26 NICK :copumpkin
< 1319579153 581129 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-202.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, it's not even vaguely valid Japanese. :P
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< 1319579166 613391 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also poignant
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< 1319580252 201095 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :[s] cascade completely surpassed my expectations
< 1319580268 564933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1319580310 463058 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't catch how dave and rose got god tier though
< 1319580320 162847 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude shut up.
< 1319580320 862730 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoilers or whatever
< 1319580329 40532 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bad
< 1319580373 271509 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight, all
< 1319580380 880242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye.
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< 1319581481 289675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: See /msg.
< 1319581698 753719 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just me or is "left foot leads into the right beginning of the end" the smartest thing anyone has ever said ever
< 1319581717 655682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1319581722 332250 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one
< 1319581741 8496 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both.
< 1319581805 373423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1319581812 442024 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1319581948 570257 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game
< 1319581957 213244 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to talk about noetherian modules on thursday and i just realized i'm too stupid to understand these theorems
< 1319581979 155479 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't Noether all, like, stuff
< 1319581982 850506 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which doesn't change.
< 1319581988 121752 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty simple, really.
< 1319582019 275159 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means the module has the ascending chain condition, that is, an ascending chain is finite
< 1319582035 329274 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a chain of submodules ordered by inclusion)
< 1319582076 962603 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure it's the same Noether?
< 1319582078 764697 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use that as a kind of zorn's lemma to find finite chains with funny properties, since if you just take a maximal chain, it's finite
< 1319582096 480132 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea who noether is, i just know what a noetherian module is
< 1319582228 905938 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that when you have a ring and then you take the ring of polynomials and then that operates on a module and then you take the dual of that module and then you have an operation on the module and get a dual operation on the dual of the module and then write a whole number of sentences starting with "obviously,", i get a bit frustrated
< 1319582238 744199 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*polynomials over it
< 1319582320 420090 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well put like that it sounds pretty simple but keeping track of indexing and types gets a bit complicated when you have multiple levels
< 1319582327 903829 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and paper is for pussies afaik
< 1319582493 80001 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes it's the same noether, the physics stuff was a little different from what she worked the most on, i think
< 1319582505 414434 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :she?
< 1319582508 608190 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1319582538 700045 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, it was a joke.
< 1319582540 192893 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, emmy noether is probably the most famous female mathematician in history
< 1319582542 565954 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean oerjan.
< 1319582558 937293 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also she was basically a physicist, and we all know what they say about physicists.
< 1319582572 21199 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably try to keep that in mind
< 1319582572 508053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it worse than what they say about fisheries research biologists?
< 1319582584 355161 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory NICK :Testing
< 1319582588 235438 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still joking i see
< 1319582602 410645 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do they say about physicists
< 1319582603 175756 :Testing!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory NICK :BeholdMyGlory
< 1319582618 929726 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are retards?
< 1319582619 237279 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, obviously.
< 1319582639 568097 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, oh god, I don't know, I was just pretending so that I could be in the in crowd aaaaaaaaaaaa
< 1319582666 58288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well right, it'd hard to get worse than that.
< 1319582711 916085 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the thought scares me.
< 1319582719 927529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/hard/be hard/
< 1319582735 128687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'd like to take this opportunity to laugh at fisheries research biologists: hahahahahaha.
< 1319582767 594715 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd *laugh* at that?
< 1319582831 791106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At what.
< 1319582849 376430 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i'll have you know fisheries research biologists are a respected profession in norway
< 1319582878 323695 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did applied fisheries research when i was little
< 1319582885 185206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1319582907 199642 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :got some results too but i ate them before i could publish them
< 1319582936 446710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  i did applied fisheries research when i was little   got some results too but i ate them before i could publish them
< 1319582939 52872 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :695)  i did applied fisheries research when i was little   got some results too but i ate them before i could publish them
< 1319582992 612168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost certainly lying, but still hilarious
< 1319583011 682905 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would never lie about my research
< 1319583027 287903 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i am pretty sure he is entirely truthful
< 1319583044 149487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but if it /isn't/ your research, that doesn't matter
< 1319583057 746044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you claim that you researched tractor tyres but didn't, that's not lying about your research
< 1319583064 259311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Anything happened in BlogNomic yet?
< 1319583070 170035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sixth meta started
< 1319583078 549745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are currently fighting over the theme
< 1319583080 116908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was busy repeatedly watching a thirteen minute Flash.
< 1319583084 694095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll get on IRC.
< 1319583141 745567 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ##electronics is full of knowledgeable unhelpful people. where can i get both?
< 1319583164 454231 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ##electronics, apparently
< 1319583166 1563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric is full of unknowledgable unhelpful people
< 1319583169 853176 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucky you
< 1319583171 625576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're in the right place
< 1319583173 377156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: ragepart
< 1319583182 822150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a ragepart
< 1319583185 106031 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1319583185 802326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're terrible at this, ais
< 1319583198 674482 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais are usually terrible at rageparts
< 1319583206 140200 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1319583208 488157 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :until they invent death rays, anyhow
< 1319583254 157215 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1319583296 69903 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you an expert on noetherian modules
< 1319583310 426801 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1319583337 312931 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides to begin writing Jath.  Again.

< 1319583337 725242 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my question is on notation so you're probably pretty useless then
< 1319583352 391462 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think for now, it's simply going to be a loose collection of features.
< 1319583408 500789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats jath
< 1319583423 708526 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A parser.  LLVM.  A B+-tree.  That's going to be it for now.
< 1319583437 831049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1319583497 711133 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never took the proper ring theory course, although i do think something noetherian was mentioned in the homological algebra one
< 1319583640 191435 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm slowly starting to realize (once again) that i don't actually know any math
< 1319583646 271410 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing at all
< 1319583663 464249 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should just become a gardener or a truck
< 1319583694 795113 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Garden on a truck.
< 1319583714 532175 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep

< 1319583715 583710 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1319583720 193874 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you mean trucker, unless you're in for some major body modifications
< 1319583854 99963 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know enough to be a math tutor
< 1319583864 463087 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then be a gardener on the side
< 1319583873 394819 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a fisheries researcher
< 1319583876 642026 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure they are smaller modifications than the ones i'd need to do math
< 1319583908 81087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yeah, nothing seemed to descend into chaos and cannibalism" -- oh, phew.
< 1319583940 569976 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm getting closer to proving sofic shifts are simplicial complexes and all simplicial complexes can be embedded in any nontrivial mixing sofic shift as a sofic subshift, up to homotopy equivalence, in the besicovitch topology
< 1319583970 934029 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how boring
< 1319584061 224964 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one does algebraic topology here, so i have no idea if i'm proving something well-known
< 1319584077 109310 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :here as in in turku
< 1319584141 178460 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :besicovitch topology is when you take the limsup of difference densities of n-blocks around the origin as n goes to infinity as the distance
< 1319584330 735847 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :homotopy equivalence is really annoying to show, you first have to find two continuous functions equating them, then prove both the compositions homotopy equivalent to id, so it's four times the work of proving something with just one step like 1 + 1 = 2
< 1319584376 43034 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why two different ones?
< 1319584380 426952 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :two directions?
< 1319584385 444399 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well back and forth
< 1319584394 434287 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yer
< 1319584451 768506 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if those are just inverses, you have a homeomorphism, and those spaces are so far from homeomorphic that i can't even find a simile
< 1319584472 687372 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1319584478 424944 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1319584568 320249 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-131.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319584577 214559 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a besicovitch space is not locally very R^n-like, since it's infinitedimensional
< 1319584582 329177 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*infinite dimensional
< 1319584588 965943 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-202.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1319584648 972605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :play four in a row on it
< 1319584730 808912 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm actually playing continuous path on it all day long, which is uncountably infinite times cooler.
< 1319584747 416469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that where you have to make a straight path of arbitrary length to win
< 1319584836 19502 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a solitaire. you find paths and then you show they are actually homotopic to other paths and be really happy for some reason.
< 1319584905 756634 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: for example, [0,1] and a single point are homotopy equivalent
< 1319584923 575471 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance a mixing sofic shift is contractible, that is, homotopy equivalent to a single point, so all paths are homotopic
< 1319584933 840485 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :synchronicity
< 1319584964 445967 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :contractible spaces _are_ the simplest ones to think of
< 1319584990 915473 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :an empty space is way simpler
< 1319584995 23700 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :amirite
< 1319585003 94473 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er.
< 1319585011 70393 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly
< 1319585018 618726 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't say that because contractible spaces are simple, but because i like listing my results
< 1319585040 285831 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i proved that because they are simple though
< 1319585047 574777 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you will be hard pressed to find a different non-homeomorphic space it's homotopy equivalent with, though
< 1319585059 392527 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1319585068 749690 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...the empty space
< 1319585070 919701 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319585074 710059 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1319585109 820304 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an idea for one, but i'm having a hard time choosing the function to the empty space
< 1319585141 880346 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say
< 1319585142 794256 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i came up with the other function in like a second though so i'm sure i'm on the right track
< 1319585159 618818 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a track paved with good intensions, i'm sure
< 1319585214 288127 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intension i'm trying to find out if that was a pun but i don't get any of this
< 1319585224 373086 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm just too stupid to do anything right now
< 1319585235 752098 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i mention all sofic shifts are closed but not all shift spaces are
< 1319585292 844409 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also that toeplitz sequences are dense while no countable set can be
< 1319585307 34028 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe infinite-dimensionality implies the latter?)
< 1319585319 22423 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_road_to_hell_is_paved_with_good_intentions
< 1319585322 207142 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no i don't think so
< 1319585338 995780 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i was wondering about the typo
< 1319585356 213342 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a typo? hm.
< 1319585407 489707 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit subtle
< 1319585461 303332 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i never knew those were different words
< 1319585573 983310 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of like the result that a noetherian module has a unique finite characteristic set of prime ideals such that there exists a set of submodules, one for each of those ideals, such that the intersection of them is empty but no intersection not containing all of those is, such that the annihilator of each of those submodules is the associated prime ideal and also all those submodules are primary
< 1319585581 280272 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're both spelled intensjon in norwegian
< 1319585682 616457 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no, infinite-dimensional spaces can have countable dense subsets
< 1319585695 625419 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :separable hilbert space, for example
< 1319585698 826702 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i realized
< 1319585715 789717 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319585929 860080 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to be sleepy :(
< 1319585985 998481 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D174.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319586290 500435 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319586538 500581 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Haskell, is there a more general way to compose functions than (.)?
< 1319586561 144936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see Control.Category I guses
< 1319586562 145072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess
< 1319586563 847997 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like (a->b->c)->(d->a)->(e->a)->(d->e->c) for replacing two arguments with two functions.
< 1319586576 608233 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, e->b.
< 1319586605 542285 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the third argument.
< 1319586615 315311 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a->b->c)->(d->a)->(e->b)->(d->e->c)
< 1319586656 940204 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :make yourself a mess of compositions
< 1319586679 274861 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what name would you give that one?
< 1319586700 155091 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: http://conal.net/blog/posts/semantic-editor-combinators
< 1319586822 661776 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: It could be the type resulting from a more general scheme, so I dunno.
< 1319586842 845764 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1319586888 902818 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \f g h x y -> f (g x) (h y)
< 1319586889 230170 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :((flip . ((.) .)) .) . (.)
< 1319586913 559073 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes a binary function and composes two unary functions in place of its arguments, so compose2nd (compose1st b u1) u2 ? Or something?
< 1319586946 320841 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ((flip . ((.) .)) .) . (.) is as clear as it gets
< 1319586948 846152 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \f g h -> curry (uncurry f . (g *** h))
< 1319586949 180398 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :((curry .) .) . (. (***)) . (.) . (.) . uncurry
< 1319586951 324086 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm.
< 1319586954 614328 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek
< 1319586958 363697 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i admit, the "flip" makes it a bit hard to read
< 1319586965 332818 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to implement something like the function composition/application setup I had in Even.
< 1319586972 607822 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I still think that's a good idea.
< 1319586977 569903 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is even
< 1319586978 374667 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats even
< 1319586980 951477 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is she hot
< 1319586986 373808 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I never mentioned that name here.
< 1319587000 313024 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was the message-passing language we had an argument about composition versus application about.
< 1319587007 311320 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :argument?
< 1319587014 719379 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone was telling me I was wrong.
< 1319587018 364487 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were
< 1319587019 351898 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah "argument"
< 1319587027 901261 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that kind of argument.
< 1319587037 676506 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kind where I say something false and people object.
< 1319587044 920732 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best kind
< 1319587047 504165 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the i is not me
< 1319587048 148358 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed.
< 1319587050 512433 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typically consider that distinct from proper arguments
< 1319587056 734794 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whatever
< 1319587065 160670 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how did composition work there?
< 1319587077 980205 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :semantically, I mean
< 1319587100 830306 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :even is such an odd language.
< 1319587113 976752 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for binary f and unary g and h, [[f [g ?] [h ?]] x y] would yield [f [g x] [h y]]
< 1319587149 205855 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where [] groups application and ? is a sort of placeholder.
< 1319587173 27422 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I remember that. you were wrong about it too weren't you
< 1319587185 401462 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, [g ?] x and [g x] are the same, but [h [g ?]] x is [h [g x]].
< 1319587195 69140 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so you resolved that
< 1319587211 330414 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a flat space for function arguments, basically, not a nested one.
< 1319587213 622667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good god not more of this terrible notation
< 1319587214 121556 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least: maybe??
< 1319587225 584146 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hi
< 1319587246 761045 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not have [x] as a shorthand for [x ?]
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< 1319587320 759583 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: how do you compose [g ?] with x?
< 1319587322 86490 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, that doesn't seem like the best idea. Ideally x and [x] would be the same in all cases, to avoid confusion.
< 1319587355 478739 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So x is a function?
< 1319587363 437782 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1319587369 316118 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that matter
< 1319587399 689354 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1319587410 478784 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're composing functions, you need to know the arity.
< 1319587417 887353 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is unary
< 1319587420 37581 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that you can use the right number of placeholders.
< 1319587421 549833 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay.
< 1319587431 170491 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :except addition. addition is binary.
< 1319587449 596132 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So [g [x ?]] is the composition of g and x.
< 1319587472 429789 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas [g x] is the function g applied to the function x.
< 1319587480 94506 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Glad I finally got that straight...)
< 1319587493 240632 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay let's see
< 1319587514 973569 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just wondering whether something like this can be done simply in Haskell.
< 1319587519 174287 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be done, no doubt.
< 1319587525 860932 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the "simply" that could be problematic.
< 1319587528 283723 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can it even be done in Even?
< 1319587532 481804 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Even....doable?
< 1319587547 296688 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never wrote it, but it's a language that can be written. :P
< 1319587552 168521 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can it?
< 1319587555 940014 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so it seems you haven't really integrated composition and application into one uniform syntax
< 1319587557 581398 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Absolutely.
< 1319587563 153846 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have proof of this
< 1319587589 238761 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why wouldn't it be possible to write it?
< 1319587593 964049 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have lambdas where you can only use each argument once and in order afaiu
< 1319587603 529610 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even might be ill-defined or something
< 1319587610 787216 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or there could be bad problems in it that make it awful
< 1319587617 322627 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in particular, can you implement s?
< 1319587669 129358 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes I remember one of the things, yes
< 1319587674 259476 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be just S x y z = [x z [y z]].
< 1319587678 348285 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically what oklopol's saying
< 1319587714 61033 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i think [[[S x] y] z] = [[x z] [y z]] is closer to the real thing
< 1319587738 605709 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when combinatoring, you don't want to have to supply all three args
< 1319587748 181911 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes sense.
< 1319587776 674016 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just wondering if you can just write S down using ?'s
< 1319587816 573489 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. You wouldn't need to. It doesn't involve composition exactly.
< 1319587836 834801 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could write [[x ?] [y ?] z z] if you were feeling fancy.
< 1319587857 556709 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess.
< 1319587910 97402 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't it be [[[x ?] [y ?]] z z]? and i'm still not sure how you know when a lambda starts and when a composition starts
< 1319587959 395319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Help the GHC on here is 6.12.1 I can't cope.
< 1319587969 953250 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one time i made a language where you didn't use parens at all, the interpreter just used types to choose the correct parsing
< 1319587999 540183 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: [[x ?] [y ?]] is equal to [x [y ?]], so those outer brackets shouldn't be there.
< 1319588010 908700 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And maybe the syntax needs to be clearer.
< 1319588022 440800 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm really just asking how to do something like this in Haskell.
< 1319588045 596888 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without just implementing it the way I was going to for Even.
< 1319588050 4012 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's a question for the people who care about haskell
< 1319588064 360550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : this one time i made a language where you didn't use parens at all, the interpreter just used types to choose the correct parsing
< 1319588066 72685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :types
< 1319588078 327307 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1319588097 482063 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you just chose the parse that was type-correct?
< 1319588105 57463 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if there were multiple type-correct parses?
< 1319588126 770791 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made a proof of concept partial interpreter and at least my quicksort and mergesort parsed correctly
< 1319588136 577178 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was precedence encoded in the type system somehow?
< 1319588137 11072 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again both were like 8 characters
< 1319588150 496000 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was there no precedence?
< 1319588161 43697 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh what language is this it sounds good
< 1319588198 317069 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there were multiple type-correct parses, then the first one found was chosen. i might have added optional parens if i'd worked more on it.
< 1319588219 723679 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cise. one of my languages that only exist in my dreams
< 1319588233 127221 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1319588249 753353 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: so what do you want in haskell
< 1319588286 748836 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :merge sort:    '/,)#<
< 1319588286 893849 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quicksort:    /2;A b:C,',JnB
< 1319588286 966023 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bubblesort    a:B,',\#"+"+mC1"-"-mC1">"+C1"<"-C1{;X}Wh=mC0=}X??b
< 1319588356 340206 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck in cise
< 1319588363 612688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cise is beautiful
< 1319588372 632051 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i want to know more
< 1319588381 958690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's explained like three things about it in the past i think :P
< 1319588384 660964 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for brainfuck, i'm sure the parsing would never have been found :D
< 1319588420 729627 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are probably errors, parsing was not the only weird thing about cise
< 1319588515 261527 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Say I want to pull out all the applications in (Vertex (x + d) (y + d) (z + d)). In Even I could write something like [apply3 [Vertex ? ? ?] [add ? d] x y z].
< 1319588542 206463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically evincar is unhappy because composition does not allow him to write any lambda-expression without points
< 1319588548 135921 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1319588552 835763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shockin
< 1319588553 511888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :g
< 1319588562 850080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: you can do it, it's called stack-based languages
< 1319588569 55584 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/2 = divide in two, A b:C = pattern match and only leave the upper cased letters in the register, ' = recurse, JnB = join with B as the separator
< 1319588575 792986 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like concatenative semantics, thank you very much.
< 1319588581 330006 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is easy enough
< 1319588600 185972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: that's what a stack gives you...
< 1319588612 300100 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a base case is not needed
< 1319588629 625703 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno if that's the shortest quicksort though
< 1319588635 35244 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pointfree just feels nicer, but in applicative languages it's less readable.
< 1319588639 340316 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the world
< 1319588666 947271 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't want to use a stack and stacks seem to be the way to be short
< 1319588677 457781 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cise is indeed beautiful.
< 1319588769 412964 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: Help the GHC on here is 6.12.1 I can't cope. <-- it was nice to know you
< 1319588853 772504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'(
< 1319588943 934193 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :some cheating is certainly going on, for instance i think []{"[]"} is how you nest the program w.r.t. [ and ], but on the other hand {"[]"} is a lambda returning "[]" so i'm not completely sure what the semantics are.
< 1319589074 687186 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1319589104 916330 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :;mc puts the memory tape and the pointer in the register (, just emptied it so ; is variable introduction and not pattern matching this time)
< 1319589127 274829 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1319589135 965731 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the beginning
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< 1319589257 648126 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ;I,;mc,[]{"[]"} first ;I puts the program in i and leaves it in the register, then , empties the register, so ;mc just introduces two variables whose type is unknown, then ,[]{"{}"} nests the contents of the register, but since it's empty (both m and c are lowercase so it's left empty), and we really need some content this time, it takes i as the contents, since i was the last thing left in the
< 1319589281 899430 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...register
< 1319589306 734574 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest is a single statement so... yeah i have no idea
< 1319589403 626716 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+mC1 should parse as take c'th element of m, then add one to the result. since nothing is done with the result, it's done in-place
< 1319589539 821071 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we call the last statement recursively, and since m and c are not defined in the lambda that's called, we use the variables of the topmost level in all of them
< 1319589621 598580 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway probably the sensible solution to the parsing problem would be the to do what clue does
< 1319589748 153677 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: And what is it that Clue does?
< 1319589771 956885 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: in your example with Vertexy things, does that even work? I'm doubtful.
< 1319589810 880251 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to find your thing about how ? gets resolved
< 1319589840 22036 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[apply3 [Vertex ? ? ?] [add ? d] x y z] = [[Vertex ? ? ?] [add ? d] [add ? d] [add ? d] x y z] = [[Vertex [add ? d] [add ? d] [add ? d]] x y z]
< 1319589842 392639 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: that's one of the few languages of mine that exist outside my dreams so you can check out the abstruse explanation on the wiki, but anyhow just give an example io-pair for the function
< 1319589853 509592 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric := [Vertex [add x d] [add y d] [add z d]]
< 1319589869 139090 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: "The precise details of the syntax are not known." :(
< 1319589878 913320 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
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< 1319589902 302833 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Basically an application always puts it argument in the leftmost ?.
< 1319589902 375276 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty irrelevant
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< 1319589914 147867 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1319589928 846762 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know the length of the shortest qs in gs?
< 1319590008 968315 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I broke that example...
< 1319590021 904133 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...because the second thing would be wrong.
< 1319590023 825415 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh.
< 1319590031 256435 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's ambiguous...
< 1319590040 317724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar discovers that variables exist for a reason
< 1319590115 686184 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...there's not really a clear way to say that [a ? ?] [b ?] [c ?] d e should mean [a [b d] [c e]] and not [a [b [c d]] e]. (
< 1319590118 943161 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :even cise uses variables
< 1319590119 143078 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :* :(
< 1319590122 562891 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure i argued that it would be hideously ambiguous when it was discussed previously
< 1319590123 549836 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :clue doesn't, though
< 1319590133 254160 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: didn't we all?
< 1319590140 669908 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1319590142 969273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1319590150 721383 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not hideously ambiguous...it just has one particularly hideous ambiguity.
< 1319590160 665562 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. hideously ambiguous
< 1319590172 846916 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i vaguely recall i thought it could possibly work with type resolution of some sort
< 1319590187 177381 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ambiguity is in something afaiu core to the language
< 1319590187 776246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: except in the face of polymorphism
< 1319590202 363129 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :both clue and cise are ambiguous, but i think we all agree there's enough empirical evidence that we can safely say that's not relevant in practice.
< 1319590202 470595 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1319590218 53789 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. If you can specify that some arguments are applied all at once, rather than sequentially, that solves it.
< 1319590225 61230 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you can probably add perl to that category iirc
< 1319590234 768059 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language is this?
< 1319590236 781846 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall that functions had to be able to take multiple operands for this to work.
< 1319590243 327969 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now I remember why. :P
< 1319590248 774884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nah, just TC
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< 1319590293 152861 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cise and clue are way ambiguouser than perl
< 1319590317 272372 :tiffany!~AndChat@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319590323 515372 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i recall reading that perl has part of its parser implemented by majority voting among heuristics
< 1319590333 424955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow :D
< 1319590335 190601 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+vaguely
< 1319590338 999053 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1319590339 902420 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's true.
< 1319590376 871000 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :clue doesn't really even *have* a parser though
< 1319590390 906448 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay the things it parses it parses unambiguously
< 1319590413 518579 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i suppose technically i lose
< 1319590424 213224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude oklopol
< 1319590425 890958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cise =/= clue
< 1319590426 558813 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, you just have ambiguous semantics.
< 1319590443 695984 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't confuse them
< 1319590466 13230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clue has a pretty unambiguous syntax afaict
< 1319590499 994134 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, only the script used for debugging is.
< 1319590508 261447 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual program is the empty string
< 1319590525 549036 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the function bag
< 1319590533 595445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1319590548 641853 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319590573 589608 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*has
< 1319590689 589692 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: anyway, try actually implementing even and then implementing something nontrivial in it (and running it and making sure it works); maybe that will help get rid of problems???
< 1319590730 699434 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a language where you write the program interactively by example, like to define quicksort you say you're making a function from lists to lists, then you're given an example list and you apply quicksort on it, repeatedly. then, suddenly, the program says "hey i think i got it!" and starts doing it on its own and you tell it if it makes a mistake. of course, we need someone with
< 1319590735 228841 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :down's to say the line
< 1319590753 192521 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: It probably would, so I probably will.
< 1319590763 950118 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hurr durr i think this goes in there"
< 1319590781 787175 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more interesting than any other language I've got in mind that I also have the time to work on.
< 1319590783 279370 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's a no you retard button
< 1319590824 444514 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i suggest the name u2b
< 1319590831 465790 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, for those who do not hate computers, a "oh that's all right, i'll take it from here if that's okay".
< 1319590833 541079 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :button
< 1319590852 405103 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: You could remove the "interactively" bit with a genetic algorithm.
< 1319590884 476958 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your program succeeds for all of the 1000 inputs I tested, for a confidence level of x percent."
< 1319590887 104721 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interactively bit is important, but how
< 1319590902 533558 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but umm erm umm how do you know what's correct
< 1319590903 193018 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, you write test cases and evolve an algorithm from those.
< 1319590920 992147 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't know if it's correct for all inputs.
< 1319590946 300358 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can have a known confidence level that it will work as expected.
< 1319590949 976298 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's been done to death, interaction is the new glue sniffing.
< 1319590954 158310 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And at the end of the day, isn't that how most software works?
< 1319590971 157914 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except the probability of failure isn't even known for most software.
< 1319590975 144644 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :your computer should be someone you can have a beer with at the end of the day
< 1319590977 501042 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a genetic algorithm works better. :P
< 1319590988 75520 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed.
< 1319590992 553280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: idgi
< 1319591002 478508 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :u2b
< 1319591004 796441 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed he meant youtube but i still didn't get it
< 1319591016 82828 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kennedy's Lemma establishes that if we can parse Perl 5, we can solve the Halting Problem. Therefore we cannot parse Perl 5."
< 1319591020 291613 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :From http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=663393
< 1319591027 437336 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: how do you evolve a genetic algoritm from test cases?
< 1319591051 682889 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, epic yawn at what evincar linked
< 1319591064 480867 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i almost lost my eyes in the process
< 1319591085 451446 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh seems it's rather nontrivial though
< 1319591108 881712 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319591110 656637 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not
< 1319591114 870150 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, no it's not.
< 1319591213 939565 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This means that, in order to statically parse Perl, it must be possible to determine from a string of Perl 5 code whether it establishes a nullary prototype for the whatever subroutine." why isn't there Q.E.D. after this sentence?
< 1319591233 951769 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i don't know perl well enough. very possible since i don't know it at all.
< 1319591254 98707 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: say it aloud
< 1319591261 381523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you tubee?
< 1319591266 110726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that's statically knowable in e.g. C...
< 1319591310 275290 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you two be?
< 1319591338 577793 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You to be", your future self?
< 1319591356 815711 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so there are static types in perl, you can't just ?: with something that has no args and something that has one on the right?
< 1319591361 902406 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you too, Be
< 1319591385 399907 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :u-tubie is a little tub shaped like a u
< 1319591385 597273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah i don't think you Get It
< 1319591399 367830 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was a python :D
< 1319591399 881829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you do
< 1319591403 861040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (false) { sub foo() { ... } }
< 1319591408 668620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that establishes a nullary prototype for foo I think
< 1319591815 775402 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so that's not quite as trivial, it's just static parsing that's impossible, not actually interpreting the program correctly
< 1319591933 235741 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1319591940 670063 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can't "parse" Perl.
< 1319591946 43644 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can evaluate it.
< 1319591948 692813 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And hope it works.
< 1319591968 258057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :less stupidly-stated: parsing perl is tc
< 1319592000 634179 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it could be that you cannot even prove which parsing is correct, and thus not ever execute anything! now that would be something
< 1319592012 377676 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish there was a shorted way to say not ever
< 1319592030 193406 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish there was a way to type shorted so that it's not a typo
< 1319592054 991186 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what heuristics are for.
< 1319592071 280528 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Larry assumed that people are in the habit of rephrasing themselves when they're misunderstood.
< 1319592078 629426 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we're looking at Perl from a linguistic standpoint.
< 1319592088 882563 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which you should, because it's as hideous as any natural language I've known.
< 1319592123 922220 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't rephrase, i redesign the language over my program
< 1319592605 998541 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The luxury of a language designer. Or a Lisp or Forth user.
< 1319592672 348732 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-74-65-236.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319592672 489885 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-74-65-236.telstraclear.net QUIT :Changing host
< 1319592672 562134 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319592710 488388 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a really stubborn crazy person
< 1319592839 630777 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1319592955 438269 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone who submits a patch for every problem he encounters...or just forks the project and merges in all of the changes from the mainline.
< 1319592967 671677 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just so he can have the language he wants.
< 1319593175 697300 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how people subtly don't know shit in the comments
< 1319593218 821370 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or make the occasional brainfart, what's the difference really
< 1319593402 795431 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kennedy's Lemma: If you can parse Perl, you can solve the Halting Problem.  "
< 1319593404 54184 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O
< 1319593429 755258 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do i keep yawning when i hear that
< 1319593504 924048 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: maybe you were pavlov's dog in a previous life
< 1319593599 16706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the first one was the best imo
< 1319593603 706009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this good or bad ivory tower ivory tower
< 1319593754 834265 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do i complain when i yawn and complain when i ain't sleepyhead
< 1319594117 170041 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you know what a rational prime is?
< 1319594145 474800 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't find a definition anywhere, but i did find out that it doesn't seem to mean regular prime
< 1319594174 741332 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot say i recall
< 1319594193 766874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it means "prime", all primes are rational, hth
< 1319594256 403459 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :from context i think it means a prime number that cannot even be split into the product of polynomials over formal variables. no idea if there are primes that can.
< 1319594302 678775 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for regular primes i found a definition on wp but it looked scary
< 1319594323 547004 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently we don't know if there are infinitely many of those
< 1319594359 484304 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well of course it's clear that there are, even though i don't know the definition, but anyhow)
< 1319594371 954910 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if anyone'll ever say "Looks like we ran out of primes" and there'll be this big hype like over the tachyonic neutrinos thing.
< 1319594408 509234 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Z doesn't exist so we're fucked anyway
< 1319595336 23191 :DCliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319596512 823837 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z?
< 1319596526 167633 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the set of integers
< 1319596562 796441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo doesn't know /that/?
< 1319596672 813545 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't know everything simultaneously
< 1319596730 29626 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I'm in a box with a cat?
< 1319596732 453555 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ℤ look more familiar sgeo
< 1319596738 430025 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't know that I don't know everything simultaneously.
< 1319596743 61574 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until you observe me.
< 1319596746 470675 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dead in a box with a cat.
< 1319596753 424583 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/1960.html
< 1319596755 332825 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dead box / rip
< 1319596761 133347 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i'll observe the pants off ya
< 1319596778 757093 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creepy~.
< 1319596794 616335 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that, like, psychokinesis?
< 1319596796 220675 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of my many qualities
< 1319596800 383768 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, if so, awesome.
< 1319596825 595344 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to assume that message was in reply to my question about psychokinesis.
< 1319596840 324978 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And therefore that your brain is worthy of dissection.
< 1319596882 54474 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i'll dissect the pants of my brain
< 1319597044 414198 :tiffany!~AndChat@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just read 'dissect my penis' =_=
< 1319597069 653113 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i'll dissect the penis out of that equal face
< 1319597179 58429 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you know what they say, left foot leads into the right beginning of the end
< 1319597646 427045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1319598477 193183 :tiffany!~AndChat@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319598480 314615 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so the general insistence here is that I should write Even, for lack of anything better to write.
< 1319598488 139126 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I write it in? Haskell?
< 1319598579 20053 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var$fix("haskell "++)
< 1319598580 569358 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  haskell haskell haskell haskell haskell haskell haskell haskell haskell has...
< 1319598668 416102 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cycle ["haskell"]
< 1319598669 736143 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["haskell","haskell","haskell","haskell","haskell","haskell","haskell","has...
< 1319598673 151483 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahem.
< 1319598675 910181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> repeat "haskell"
< 1319598677 449168 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["haskell","haskell","haskell","haskell","haskell","haskell","haskell","has...
< 1319598679 686450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :take your pick
< 1319598696 778438 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cycle ["haskell"]) !! 42
< 1319598704 546061 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (cycle ["haskell"]) !! 42
< 1319598705 872735 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "haskell"
< 1319598711 502373 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, guess that settles it.
< 1319598714 833116 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var$cycle"haskell "
< 1319598715 664545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  haskell haskell haskell haskell haskell haskell haskell haskell haskell has...
< 1319598741 660821 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t var
< 1319598743 79882 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. String -> Sym a
< 1319598752 75975 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var$"a = b"
< 1319598753 636323 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  a = b
< 1319599572 620203 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-100.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319599584 654234 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-224-114.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1319600259 359280 :CakeProphet!~eris@h69-130-146-120.nlsnga.dsl.dynamic.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319600259 470754 :CakeProphet!~eris@h69-130-146-120.nlsnga.dsl.dynamic.tds.net QUIT :Changing host
< 1319600259 470905 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319600330 205481 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map text $ repeat "Haskell"
< 1319600331 262938 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [Haskell,Haskell,Haskell,Haskell,Haskell,Haskell,Haskell,Haskell,Haskell,Ha...
< 1319601069 286520 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :>map text $ permutations "abc"
< 1319601073 321602 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map text $ permutations "abc"
< 1319601074 609669 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [abc,bac,cba,bca,cab,acb]
< 1319601113 106139 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map text $ ((replicateM [1..]) <=< (cycle "abc"))
< 1319601114 446509 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Int'
< 1319601114 758183 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type ...
< 1319601119 340676 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t replicateM
< 1319601120 681291 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a. (Monad m) => Int -> m a -> m [a]
< 1319601151 454348 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t replicate
< 1319601152 647421 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. Int -> a -> [a]
< 1319601278 765646 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (`replicateM` "abc") =<< [1..]
< 1319601279 489690 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["a","b","c","aa","ab","ac","ba","bb","bc","ca","cb","cc","aaa","aab","aac"...
< 1319602402 828857 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep
< 1319603499 409161 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-13.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319603516 387073 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-100.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1319605117 274956 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1319608344 778588 :DCliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: You are now graced with my absence.
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< 1319609989 206854 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1319611143 537171 :CakeProphet!~eris@h178.53.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319611143 646401 :CakeProphet!~eris@h178.53.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host
< 1319611143 646482 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319611738 191500 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sjsiejisjdfijwgioj
< 1319611832 696331 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :defgiiiijjjjjosssw. (Sorted that for you.)
< 1319611862 284448 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sort
< 1319611863 669329 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Ord a) => [a] -> [a]
< 1319611880 269488 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "sjsiejisjdfijwgioj"
< 1319611881 634330 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "defgiiiijjjjjosssw"
< 1319611890 434701 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, I did it right.
< 1319611912 689943 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :An abfoor is a sorted foobar.
< 1319611928 318533 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "fizzie"
< 1319611929 710078 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "efiizz"
< 1319611930 123054 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad!
< 1319611939 538219 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't make me reverse sort you
< 1319611955 639560 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort Madoka-Kaname
< 1319611956 480218 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: data constructor `Madoka'Not in scope: data constructor `Kana...
< 1319611961 22118 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "Madoka-Kaname"
< 1319611961 653966 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "-KMaaaadekmno"
< 1319611963 732258 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I can't quite.)
< 1319611977 606709 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kmaaaaadekmno. It's like some sort of a bird sound.
< 1319611990 348259 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/quite/quote/
< 1319611999 718446 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't quite quote.
< 1319612016 8007 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "I can't quite quote."
< 1319612017 191986 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "   '.Iaceeinoqqtttuu"
< 1319612018 156836 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION silly idea

< 1319612029 797372 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write a bot that enters a random channel and sorts every line that comes through.
< 1319612042 122485 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble fizzie
< 1319612042 343976 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fziezi
< 1319612062 985224 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm all jumbled up.
< 1319612072 804423 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "fziezi"
< 1319612074 89951 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "efiizz"
< 1319612075 978266 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fify
< 1319612131 165409 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble それは日本語で書かれた文
< 1319612131 237660 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble fziezi
< 1319612131 237829 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie
< 1319612131 633728 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :㝂㯗欪㧛㋂㟖�恌へ恞蜥恌�
< 1319612137 324476 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319612139 870024 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... not very UTF8-aware.
< 1319612146 459030 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble 㝂㯗欪㧛㋂㟖‡æŒã¸æžèœ¥æŒã
< 1319612147 187902 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Á��£��⒀Ś��£��ï��€���è��¾����æ��¸��⁀º��ã��ŀ���⦀Ú�À��œ���
< 1319612151 639616 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You fail
< 1319612151 996512 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::<
< 1319612167 322775 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you passed in the same bytes it outputteded.
< 1319612182 298364 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble バカ！
< 1319612182 760076 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :㐂��
< 1319612192 156950 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble 㐂«ãƒ
< 1319612192 815658 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ò��£��⫀š��¯��
< 1319612195 667916 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble あ
< 1319612196 367851 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :め
< 1319612201 249891 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble め
< 1319612201 870932 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :あ
< 1319612207 108136 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble ああああああああああああああああああああああ
< 1319612207 751623 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :めめめめめめめめめめめ�ああああああああああ�
< 1319612213 133794 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble めめめめめめめめめめめ‚ああああああああああã
< 1319612214 41053 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Á��⣀Ú�€��Á��⣀Ú�€��Á��⣀Ú�€��Á��⣀Ú�€��Á��⣀Ú�€��Á��⣀Ú�€��Á��⣀Ú�€��Á��⣀Ú�€��Á��⣀Ú�€��Á��⣀Ú�€��Á��⣀Ú�€��
< 1319612215 232810 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope.
< 1319612216 652223 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't.
< 1319612236 266795 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing your client will latin1-fallback the bot's output, and then when you paste it back you're UTF-8ing them.
< 1319612249 243455 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense
< 1319612263 395561 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show
< 1319612263 506483 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr
< 1319612268 467691 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac fizzie
< 1319612268 576307 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fziezi
< 1319612275 63057 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^uenlsbcmra fziezi
< 1319612275 167023 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie
< 1319612277 246999 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble fizzie
< 1319612277 880358 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fziezi
< 1319612288 188493 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble srmlebac
< 1319612288 744987 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :scramble
< 1319612290 485913 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show scramble
< 1319612291 56742 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<2[.<2]
< 1319612295 923969 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show unscramble
< 1319612296 574820 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[<]>[.[-]>[>]<[.[-]<[<]]>]
< 1319612304 280099 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show echo
< 1319612304 887684 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[.>,]<[<]+32[.>]
< 1319612307 243014 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think it was exactly the same.
< 1319612311 481158 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble 1234567
< 1319612311 553618 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1357642
< 1319612316 571812 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac 1234567
< 1319612316 677674 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1357642
< 1319612321 710824 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show scramble
< 1319612322 230321 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<2[.<2]
< 1319612323 301579 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it does seem to be. Hmm.
< 1319612325 562087 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show srmlebac
< 1319612325 961007 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<2[.<2]
< 1319612333 95965 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, those certainly look identical.
< 1319612338 380978 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :違うわけがない
< 1319612339 43984 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were added quite a while ago.
< 1319612371 102157 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show source
< 1319612371 594326 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98)S
< 1319612376 648650 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help
< 1319612377 232672 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def   ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
< 1319612396 658220 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1319612438 808420 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help is also just a (...)S thing.
< 1319612447 462265 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's write a programming language that compiles to befunge
< 1319612451 450394 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show def
< 1319612459 571832 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def def ul (Nope)S
< 1319612460 319236 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined.
< 1319612462 418440 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def def ul (Nope)S
< 1319612463 19419 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined.
< 1319612465 974115 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :=p
< 1319612472 424473 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly it can't show internal commands, and they take precededence.
< 1319612484 384617 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: gone
< 1319612488 145694 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've compiled something to (ugly) befunge, but I've completely forgotten what it was.
< 1319612495 99453 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was some other esolang.
< 1319612504 210631 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck is reasonably easy to.
< 1319612560 810334 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :A simple C-like language?
< 1319612598 230173 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :# 	Trampoline: Skip next cell < stream crossing?
< 1319612600 280219 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be nice to have something that compiles into "compact" blocks of befunge, instead of some horribly structured layout.
< 1319612632 14810 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you can do ... #ab#cd#ef#gh# ... to execute bdfh when going right, geca when going left.
< 1319612663 410233 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The classic print loop of ... >:#,_ ... sorta-uses that.
< 1319612702 151593 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you do conditionals?
< 1319612704 707020 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Self-modifying code?
< 1319612718 657712 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think that'd be the same kind of problem as writing a (good) some-language -> redstone compiler
< 1319612727 739506 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1319612737 765287 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except with one less dimension to work with..
< 1319612740 22068 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :| and _ ; they branch up/down and left/right depending on whether the number popped from stack is non-zero or zero.
< 1319612762 510255 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, and 'w' which turns left, goes straight, or turns right depending on <0, =0, >0, in Funge-98.
< 1319612777 582214 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so.
< 1319612797 692912 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :First, generate a tree or graph of some sort, diagramming what branches, etc, to output, and then you can just generate that, right?
< 1319612817 823255 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, and m which branches high/low in trefunge.
< 1319612862 565107 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm thinking you can compile the thing to something like this:
< 1319612866 588955 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :[CodeSnippet]
< 1319612889 332981 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :CodeSnippet [Instruction] BranchType [Int]
< 1319612903 26431 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then generate that in some way.
< 1319612911 17796 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A control flow graph is probably something you'd have, yes; but then it's non-trivial how to best pack all the blocks, esp. if you want to reuse instructions going different way.
< 1319612918 890052 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1319612921 543486 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the big problem.
< 1319612924 3300 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that human befunge programmers are that good in instruction reuse either, I suppose.
< 1319612929 213088 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I'm not.
< 1319612942 724789 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes for nicely tricky-to-modify code.
< 1319612967 402146 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, snippets of instructions that don't branch, followed with a single branch instruction. That shouldn't be too hard to generate, right?
< 1319612979 566792 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can merge branches that don't go all over the place into single clusters.
< 1319612988 427903 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then place those however.
< 1319612989 189712 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's exactly what a control flow graph is.
< 1319612993 897837 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1319612997 793258 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In a control flow graph each node in the graph represents a basic block, i.e. a straight-line piece of code without any jumps or jump targets; jump targets start a block, and jumps end a block."
< 1319613004 210214 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see.
< 1319613053 59541 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a program that generates a control flow graph for a befunge program with (imperfect) static analysis; doesn't really work for self-modifying code, though.
< 1319613061 174171 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have fungot graphed somewhere, let's see.
< 1319613061 450201 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ' it's very hard,' she said to herself, " i think you might do something better with the time, the time goes with it.'
< 1319613081 179580 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://users.ics.tkk.fi/htkallas/fungotsmall.png
< 1319613081 519094 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: taking " boys" as universe; x="fat"; and fnord interpret the lower half of the cupboard, where all the cakes in the world: once in the week. and that's the way to outland?"
< 1319613108 199267 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, o.o
< 1319613147 371925 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have a very dusty printout of that right here on my desk; was thinking of maybe taping it on the wall, but never did. It's not exactly readable at A4 size anyway, and I can't quite make myself pay the printing costs for a poster-sized version.
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< 1319613191 649479 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's in the bubbles is just sequences of befunge instructions (with <>^v-style things stripped out) and the edge labels denote what sort of jump it is.
< 1319613208 266672 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is there ever reason to use p or g?
< 1319613221 800671 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can drop the word "small" for a readable 7485x15016-sized copy.)
< 1319613260 391989 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could maintain a call stack with frames with that.
< 1319613260 470955 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, well, for storage. There's only so much you can do with a stack. (Though I guess with the stack-stack you can probably do anything; still, it's awkward to use.)
< 1319613292 214429 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Top row = entry
< 1319613304 200443 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second row = stack information (current y, etc)
< 1319613320 768581 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rest = actual stack
< 1319613340 81054 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should be able to cacluate the maximum stack frame size for every function, so, put the program after that many instructions.
< 1319613367 968393 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not very befungey befunge you get if you do it like that.
< 1319613380 124417 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esp. arbitrary jumps are quite "bad".
< 1319613401 751042 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many people (okay, just me) even frown on using ;.
< 1319613467 800638 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does ; do?
< 1319613478 698303 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It jumps to the next ; it encounters.
< 1319613507 765492 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you don't have to worry about writing yourself into a corner so much, since you can just jump across code.
< 1319613542 570375 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The UFO-looking device in that bot-graph (near the bottom) is the babbling punctuation jump-table.
< 1319613585 168786 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :To right of it seems to be part of the brainfuck bytecode compiler.
< 1319613609 877166 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the brainfuck interpreter itself is right below that.
< 1319613637 591507 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The $2aaaaa*****81p88+:*91paaa**:a1p is a dead giveaway.
< 1319613749 171990 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and there's the two random-number generation blocks (one fixed for the [0, 15] range and a loopy one for a reasonably large random numbers). I like the graph.
< 1319613752 760139 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does fungot use p/g?
< 1319613753 420532 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: an enormous dead fnord was lying on the bank.
< 1319613758 974168 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, much.
< 1319613768 798298 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so.
< 1319613778 468742 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sort of has to, since most fingerprints write data in the fungespace.
< 1319613788 889279 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like the IRC message splitting would be pretty hairy with just a stack.
< 1319613809 933641 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :With Funge-98's A-Z thing, the stack mainpulation functions, etc, should be simple to implement, right?
< 1319613851 190328 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, well. If you make a custom fingerprint for compilation, it doesn't really count as "compiling to befunge" any more, I don't think.
< 1319613860 518159 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh?
< 1319613866 760999 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't define fingerprints in the program?
< 1319613870 378089 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1319613887 654255 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1319613912 474243 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're just "standard libraries" you can load. Though I think there are a couple of extensions that let you define some with Befunge code.
< 1319613942 458442 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :RC/Funge-98 and some others have that "mini-funge" thing.
< 1319613984 837894 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Funge doesn't have arbitrary jumps?
< 1319614005 597098 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :'x' is pretty much an arbitrary jump, as long as you have a > or something at the destination to reset the delta.
< 1319614015 911090 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you need to give relative coordinates instead of absolute, but that's a minor matter.
< 1319614058 647342 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SUBR fingerprint gives you absolute jumps and an internal call-stack for 'return'.
< 1319614088 965949 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh
< 1319614093 55609 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungot's (owner-only) "^code" command uses SUBR to execute what was passed to it, but I don't use SUBR elsewhere. It, too, feels slightly cheaty.
< 1319614096 54773 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :'x' makes compiling messy.
< 1319614134 166325 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll manually maintain a stack, and then put the entire program in a huge switch statement.
< 1319614154 786414 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where each value is an entry point of some sort into the program.
< 1319614160 929732 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how it's any messier than, you know, regular assembly jumps that also are relative.
< 1319614217 10417 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess
< 1319614233 355088 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant has some sort of a constant-maker, incidentally.
< 1319614248 877063 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You give it a number, and it tries to figure out a short way to represent that in Befunge code.
< 1319614257 256791 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, lunchtime. ->
< 1319614275 482433 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and that's one of the problems.
< 1319614282 607725 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Constants arn't, well, constant space.
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< 1319614561 373629 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1319614710 917173 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiling like that'd be kinda messy
< 1319614728 34770 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can only resolve that in the routing step too.
< 1319614754 293683 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most instructions that compile to multiple funge instructions can be unwound before routing. That can't.
< 1319614773 473064 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not unless you reserve max(programSize) space for each constant at any rate
< 1319614795 633423 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :maxConstantSize*
< 1319614851 642873 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: what's the topic?
< 1319614879 628117 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiling to Funge
< 1319614892 819578 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could create chunks of linear instructions
< 1319614903 760788 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then determine the 2D layout in a separate compilation step?
< 1319614905 222173 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's already the plan.
< 1319614908 660217 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :=p
< 1319614908 757607 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, to determine the -- okay
< 1319614917 130104 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about how to do function calls.
< 1319614931 124352 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using 'x' involves generating constants which are only known during routing.
< 1319614950 150488 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making that a multi-byte instruction that has to be resolved during the route pass.
< 1319614955 444431 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could create a tree/graph that relates to callers to callees?
< 1319614979 516028 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can determine the program layout based on the tree.
< 1319614989 895755 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can fetch the current position at runtime and the target should be static, no?
< 1319615135 204215 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a believe a function would just duplicate its parameter values on the stack, and be spatially nearby its caller so that it can be executed sequentially and then return back to the calling code segment.
< 1319615156 482369 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that's an idea, anyway.
< 1319615167 293176 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :managing the stack may be difficult.
< 1319615204 665130 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or instead of using the stake you can get use put/get
< 1319615206 902816 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stack
< 1319615211 845302 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :weorjwoeirjoewjsoifj
< 1319615214 592715 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/get//
< 1319615244 328757 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, yeah.
< 1319615267 119550 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The plan I have right now is to maintain a stack.
< 1319615276 386046 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :put/get may be easier to maintain.
< 1319615294 265305 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have no clue how to place chunks of code close to each other spatially so that function calls work.
< 1319615315 598497 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a function calls more than four functions you'll have to do some nasty routing stuff instead of simply using the 4 directions.
< 1319615413 38530 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, giant switch statement
< 1319615413 110799 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :another important thing to note, if blocks of code are literally rectangles of code in befunge
< 1319615423 476590 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :function calls need to happen on the outside of those rectangles
< 1319615428 828569 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or shapes
< 1319615430 318296 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever.
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< 1319615973 371386 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: I think get/put would greatly simplify static memory demands.
< 1319615985 866478 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even dynamic? stack might be better for that.
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< 1319616030 370303 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, reentrancy.
< 1319616132 421564 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so one of my friends who somewhat recently broke up with his fiance, wrote on Facebook: "Is returning the ring........that's all I have to say about that."
< 1319616142 617691 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to which another person replied: "One does not simply walk into Mordor."
< 1319616184 135399 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, actually.
< 1319616198 238222 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I had a C-like language, i can optimize it by making it not use the stack fully, and only a return address.
< 1319616218 610429 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: They're constant-space if you just set an upper bound and leave empty space here and there.
< 1319616218 811496 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which can be on the funge stack instead of a manual stack
< 1319616241 640556 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right, but it's still an additional pass on the generated Funge code.
< 1319616280 870148 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :efficiency: top priority for Befunge code.
< 1319616320 550326 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: isn't that right?
< 1319616321 122325 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: " then it wasn't solid, like sylvie and you?" i asked eagerly, with a little basket, which he threw open, and sylvie more grave and quiet, but with a very different look from what uggug ever got from him.
< 1319616383 797276 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are there any digital form of Finnegans Wake?
< 1319616387 544187 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :+s
< 1319616403 959438 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would be a good fungot source.
< 1319616404 256458 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: 2. some y are m," and " hoarse," you will say " fnord" marked on them, and yet bear parting?
< 1319616471 492084 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the blah story.
< 1319616485 930865 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace every occurence of "blah" with "fnord"
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< 1319616937 111590 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: If you don't want to use absolute jumps, the massive switch is always an option; fungot has one example of a subroutine (the code compilation used both by ^bf/^ul and ^def) where it pushes 0/1/2 on stack below the arguments, and then the return path has :2-| ... :1-| style diverters to go back where it started from. Still, fixed-size constants aren't that bad.
< 1319616937 348126 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: then, silence. some fancied they heard in the air. " i could show it you in a minute or two, fnord.
< 1319616949 76196 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah.
< 1319616975 34223 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that can be built as a pass on an ADT of some sort instead of a pass on free-form code
< 1319617979 896745 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's Freefall is pretty funny
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< 1319618379 699502 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I was thinking about that.
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< 1319637989 986770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone here explain GADTs to me? if so, are they willing to?
< 1319638006 568600 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GADTs?
< 1319638229 761162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION assumes that Ngevd can't

< 1319638240 207816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something starting with G Abstract Data Types
< 1319638243 83539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably generic or generalized
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< 1319641443 748493 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :generalized, I believe
< 1319641647 498709 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: basically GADTs allow you to specify a so-called phantom type parameter. Each constructor can return a value with a different phantom type as a parameter.
< 1319641659 876883 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus, the type system can now differentiate between different constructors of the same type.
< 1319641684 477574 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a simple example is lists. You can have List Empty a and List NonEmpty a
< 1319641686 406348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: hmm, I'm not sure I understand; could you give an example?
< 1319641708 761068 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :now head and tail are typesafe. head :: List NonEmpty a -> a
< 1319641718 536785 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail :: List NonEmpty a -> List x a
< 1319641724 858839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how does it track whether lists are nonempty or not?
< 1319641741 62728 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :GADTs allow you to specify the return type of each constructor
< 1319641851 774330 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ht
< 1319641854 274675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ah right
< 1319641864 463528 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Empty; Data NonEmpty; Data List x a where { Cons :: a -> List y a -> List NonEmpty a; Null :: List Empty a }
< 1319641878 772692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking to someone about Anarchy and they thought it was like GADTs, but it isn't really
< 1319641888 567559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, I've been working on this (I submitted it): http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?sort+by+first+occurrence
< 1319641889 304790 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue on that one. :P
< 1319641906 707342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing nowhere near the leaders
< 1319641947 982180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are several obvious algorithms; I don't know which is best
< 1319642020 209812 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the most common example for GADTs is writing AST data types for interpreters.
< 1319642025 942012 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I commonly see it associated with
< 1319642031 611419 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it can be used for other things.
< 1319642035 515995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's what Anarchy's intended to do to
< 1319642047 492396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it works by inferring a huge number of different ADTs
< 1319642058 293218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it isn't all that dissimilar after all, but the inference thing is different
< 1319642092 837868 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you know how short quicksort is in golfscript
< 1319642122 405883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no, but I suspect it's pretty short, as it has most of the components of quicksort as primitives
< 1319642166 326283 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 14 characters in cise, was just wondering if gs gives a significant improvement to that
< 1319642172 263019 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually know gs
< 1319642273 162743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually has a sort primitive
< 1319642279 957803 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doesn't
< 1319642285 605895 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it always quicksort?
< 1319642310 166222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll try to write a quicksort without it
< 1319642312 595652 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mergesort is 6 characters in cise, so i assume that's not much shorter in gs
< 1319642342 191207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually GolfScript has no concise method to do recursion
< 1319642352 844330 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that a quicksort, specifically, is kind-of awkward
< 1319642355 740159 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1319642363 589517 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about bubblesort?
< 1319642370 981937 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 14 in cise
< 1319642421 422436 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems primality checking is also 6 characters, but it uses a non-ascii character
< 1319642452 854830 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i thought that particular character was ascii back then because umlaut is on all finnish keyboards, surprisingly enough)
< 1319642626 114287 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cise has a recursion primitive which recursively calls the current statement or the whole program depending on which one makes more sense
< 1319642687 12417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think bubble sort is quite short in GolfScript, but am not good enough at it to write it concisely
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< 1319642838 31231 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1319642862 240256 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Reports:Tasks_not_implemented_in_Golfscript :/
< 1319643163 384058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring, it only has two INTERCAL examples
< 1319643165 62783 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD J sucks ass: quicksort =: (($:@(<#[) , (=#[) , $:@(>#[)) ({~ ?@#)) ^: (1<#)
< 1319643184 15268 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, who has the time to write 43 characters
< 1319643218 837585 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should really make this language
< 1319643394 572011 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try golfscript
< 1319643401 229907 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, beaten to it
< 1319643421 647741 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it seems no one has bothered to write it
< 1319643444 957438 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just make a codegolf thread for it and it will be written
< 1319643449 130055 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently even ais doesn't know how to golf in gs
< 1319643458 798773 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wanna make a thread for it?
< 1319643461 608384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very good at gs
< 1319643474 366728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or basically, golfscript works like mathematica, by having a good standard library for typical golfing tasks
< 1319643485 238439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's very good at sorting, but bad at implementing any given sort algorithm, for instance
< 1319643564 524672 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1319643573 615595 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would anyone want to write actual programs
< 1319643581 690208 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you can implement algorithms
< 1319643621 709707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319643688 843712 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
< 1319644062 630040 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :factorial is 10 characters
< 1319644101 225391 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just \* in cise. i think.
< 1319644187 911808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a golfscript factorial shouldn't be that long, surely?
< 1319644202 269317 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :n to [1, ..., n] and to [0, ..., n] are list conversions, the first one is chosen since the second one gives a trivial result
< 1319644212 322867 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are integer to list conversions
< 1319644240 699266 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait i guess the second one is to n-1 but anyhow
< 1319644297 762990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a GolfScript factorial program, that factorials every line of input (treating it as a number): http://golf.shinh.org/reveal.rb?Factorial/narb_1298033052&gs
< 1319644303 729044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ~]{,1\{)*}/n}%
< 1319644316 137673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bit that actually does the factorialling is ,1\{)*}/ I think
< 1319644344 296136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it had to construct the 1..n list by hand
< 1319644398 480568 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to construct the list by hand in cise, you have to press the umlaut key. but that's not ascii, dunno what i should change it to.
< 1319644458 86169 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's crazy, it almost seems like you have to tell the program how you want it to manipulate the data and not just give it the relevant commands in a random sequence
< 1319644471 885355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
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< 1319644561 2058 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :one interpretation of *\ is that you go from 7 to [1*2, 3*4, 5*6, 7]
< 1319644562 462590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :underlambda's going to have a command to construct a list 1..n, although it isn't documented anywhere so I've forgotten what the command actually is
< 1319644587 110126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cise could be made more concise by making the order relevant, I guess
< 1319644601 648711 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is relevant
< 1319644676 703020 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i decided today that in addition to heuristics (consisting mostly of example runs), a hash value is computed for your program which can be used to choose between ambiguous cases
< 1319644677 718514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see... an Underlambda factorial would be along the lines of U'*t
< 1319644683 43720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about the capitalization there
< 1319644685 284891 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just got a new headset
< 1319644697 237222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :construct a list from 1..n, then fold it with multiplication
< 1319644707 837436 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unnecessary whitespace changed parsing dramatically
< 1319644720 390584 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*changes
< 1319644772 795438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: haha, that's a truly brilliant way of disambiguating
< 1319644793 949533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hashes the program, then determines between the possible programs with that meaning in an order depending on the hash, so you can use whitespace or minor changes to change its preference order?
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< 1319644855 100098 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i was thinking a more direct approach where the basic heuristics are used for programs without whitespace (of course, ways of affecting parsing probably arise automatically), and the hash is computed from the placing of unnecessary whitespace
< 1319644882 843433 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, whitespace is also a command, it's just one that doubles as nop when used in certain contexts
< 1319644922 456800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, the way whitespace works in underlambda is that it's a NOP by default, but can be redefined in the preprocessor if you're really mad
< 1319644937 291296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(underlambda isn't really designed as a golfing language, but can nonetheless be quite short)
< 1319644949 922076 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do nesting by hand by using lambdas, but { and }, the lambda commands, also dual as other stuff, so you can't just put a lambda where you wanna nest.....
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< 1319644957 845654 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1319644984 733465 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't recall you have a preprocessor planned
< 1319645002 88662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's not part of the language, technically
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< 1319645006 598415 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1319645018 532229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the idea is that the preprocessor is enough to compile the full language into a small subset
< 1319645084 639618 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also something i'm planning: you can give the parse tree you want, and the interpreter checks if the program would have parsed into that
< 1319645093 245308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm thinking about how to write a numeric sort in Underlambda
< 1319645100 982728 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :might make it easier to implement
< 1319645138 458786 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cise is not a language you actually write a program in and use, it's a language where you write a very short algorithm implementation and prove it technically parses into the correct thing
< 1319645207 221953 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :numeric sort
< 1319645209 60176 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1319645211 565941 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll ggl
< 1319645214 321576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorting an array of numbers
< 1319645218 2827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a sort algorithm in itself
< 1319645218 94815 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1319645220 786415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko
< 1319645225 21236 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko
< 1319645227 532910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko
< 1319645229 696000 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko
< 1319645233 727429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko
< 1319645236 54851 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko
< 1319645240 774913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko
< 1319645243 388054 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko
< 1319645247 532884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokok
< 1319645250 121539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh
< 1319645256 605100 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1319645283 779716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see... a version based on indexing lists would be really messy
< 1319645300 768459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a structurally recursive one would be a little long
< 1319645305 925170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that leaves selection sort, I guess
< 1319645328 207615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just trying to work out a good way to write the max function
< 1319645361 203674 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw query if you don't automatically see that
< 1319645405 511991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I saw it
< 1319645694 3798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, the problem's not just finding the largest element in a list, but getting rid of all the others
< 1319645714 522598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*getting rid of it and leaving the others
< 1319645746 333763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps quicksort is actually simpler
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< 1319647288 79722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION actually clicks the link in the topic

< 1319647293 664137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, underload
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< 1319647530 320064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully the first task is easy enough for even me
< 1319647535 934090 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1319647604 952451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: I'm not sure the third Underload question is as hard as it's meant to be...
< 1319647614 861968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, it's easier than the second :)
< 1319647616 644148 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did it in about thirty seconds
< 1319647640 576308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did it in about three :p
< 1319647643 318953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you need to understand CS quite well to do that
< 1319647649 74365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew the answer before the question was posted, does that count?
< 1319647655 110027 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had never used Underload before
< 1319647658 497483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what, to make a pair in underload?
< 1319647660 809393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1319647668 472384 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And was tired
< 1319647673 733780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, many students treat things like pairs as magic somehow
< 1319647678 271436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than things you can implement by hand
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< 1319647716 444869 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if xchat made links out of links in topics, I'd click the link
< 1319647723 348285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it does
< 1319647724 881957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :type /topic
< 1319647731 388600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would be surprised if anyone could answer the first two questions but not the third

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< 1319647740 65593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* elliott would be surprised if anyone could answer the first two questions but not the third
< 1319647769 784562 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you sure that /topic command is safe? it won't immolate me or anything?
< 1319647915 429812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: dead sure
< 1319647959 369717 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, it put some text on the screen with clickable links
< 1319647987 325478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, finished all the Underload questions; now let's see if I can be bothered to do the ones about a language I'm not quite thoroughly familiar with
< 1319648153 529591 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :isnt the pair thing just as simple as having a string like ()(), then the programs duplicate, execute, then pop off the unwanted half?
< 1319648172 358529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: spoilers ;)
< 1319648174 322168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/;/:/
< 1319648184 182462 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never done underload and i have to agree with elliott
< 1319648185 509988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: a bit simpler than that, actually; you don't need the duplicate
< 1319648190 668146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the answer's already been spoiled in-channel
< 1319648200 635213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't really an Underload question, anyway, but an understanding-CS-concepts question
< 1319648203 857986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it has? alright, then
< 1319648216 339398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was maybe a little overly in-depth with his answers

< 1319648226 383157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe atehwa really expects us to embed arbitrary substrings in p!
< 1319648227 552195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so people here, who are generally decent with CS concepts, are going to understand manufacturing a pair easily
< 1319648228 33063 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i duplicated so i could still have the pair around later, since that's how i'd use it
< 1319648239 535622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well, head and tail don't preserve their argument
< 1319648251 431647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so instead, it's typically the caller's duty to duplicate the pair before calling head or tail
< 1319648251 568995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's bad form to preserve the argument in concatenative languages
< 1319648269 583205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it adds noise to all definition sites and many call sites
< 1319648281 878246 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah good point. i was doing mentally the duplicating i would do if i used it.
< 1319648463 885646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh
< 1319648477 482359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh?
< 1319648489 910963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have to deal with past me's emacs configuration
< 1319648498 964626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't just rename ~/.emacs?
< 1319648519 212392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'd have to put something in its place
< 1319648528 995146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current configuration is almost certainly lost forever
< 1319648847 119535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: where'd tallybot go?
< 1319648864 229704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, OK, wrong channel, but you aren't in the right one
< 1319648877 493006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it crashed as soon as i pinged it on the new metadynasty
< 1319648882 708201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't have my private key here
< 1319648886 189112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's nothing I can do
< 1319648887 358142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK
< 1319648894 258894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably an admin made a mistake editing templates
< 1319648897 687367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's "here", anyway?
< 1319648912 418474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on this inferior-but-for-not-being-broken computer
< 1319648926 437855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have numbers?
< 1319648931 642045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, actually
< 1319648932 673645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how am I meant to explain to prgmr that I lost my private key twice in quick succession?
< 1319648947 893731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should keep backups of it
< 1319648959 9642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and have my backup media break too?
< 1319648968 650321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it works like that…
< 1319648977 180424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how broken is the computer with it on, anyway?
< 1319648986 770552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it working enough to boot it up and ssh in, for instance?
< 1319648994 451929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it turned itself off and won't turn back on again
< 1319648995 201532 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319649034 9750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, what if you remove the battery and run it powered from its charger?
< 1319649062 993757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't "remove the battery", that would cause ridiculous structural damage to the whole thing
< 1319649074 521894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I've tried charging it overnight and nothing
< 1319649086 757725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK
< 1319649095 664302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not used to laptops with nonreplaceable batteries
< 1319649150 77446 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1319649212 328939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION upgrades debian

< 1319649241 866255 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1319649259 497698 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have to cause structural damage, do it pulling the hard disk :D
< 1319649275 137340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you mean the flash chips directly on the motherboard?
< 1319649285 743489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only would that work perfectly, it would leave my warranty fully intact
< 1319649303 34557 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely there was separate storage media with the numbers you require?
< 1319649327 917077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which numbers
< 1319649379 99853 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :your private key for instance
< 1319649394 781010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just generated it in the last week, so no
< 1319649559 256264 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319651084 661675 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The story of the cursed SSH key.
< 1319651145 286200 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319651210 515540 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1319651329 265021 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319651343 106304 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP Phantom_Hoover.
< 1319651392 53210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP.
< 1319651400 467304 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1319651659 324615 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Phantom_Hoover
< 1319652014 387845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: pikhq: Yo, Debianites, help me out.
< 1319652375 524560 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a Debianite!
< 1319652413 304407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yeah, but you don't know things.
< 1319653382 438756 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319653519 58755 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's a Debutante
< 1319653532 417611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319653818 855023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  pserver is no longer officially supported; the cvs package
< 1319653818 927716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  does not install any service, inetd, or something similar.
< 1319653818 927880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  If you want to set up a CVS server, use SSH, as shown in:
< 1319653819 220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  * http://www.stremler.net/Code/cvs_tricks/cvs-over-ssh.html
< 1319653819 385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  * http://www.stremler.net/Code/cvs_tricks/cvs-over-ssh-advanced.html
< 1319653819 195086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  * http://www.stremler.net/Code/cvs_tricks/cvs-over-ssh-advanced2.html
< 1319653820 836221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1319653849 513277 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol cvs
< 1319653864 239258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: apt-get is reading me changelogs :p
< 1319653919 688614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on /boot:  it got 300meg in that virtual machine   that's tine   tiny
< 1319653924 634005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :here i was thinking that sounded big :p
< 1319653985 853746 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, 300MB just to fit a bootloader, a kernel and a handful of modules is huge
< 1319654096 669339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote GFDL
< 1319654103 42270 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :141) * Phantom_Hoover wonders where the size of the compiled Linux kernel comes from.  To comply with the GFDL, there's a copy of Wikipedia in there.
< 1319654131 238105 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that must be it
< 1319654277 288865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh lol ompaul thought they meant /
< 1319654282 846381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite the context being perfectly obviously about /boo
< 1319654283 226724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1319654616 803278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, wine is no longer in wheezy.
< 1319654637 435824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's back into sid though.
< 1319654643 911782 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :debian removed wine?
< 1319654653 41121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# [2011-10-22] Accepted 1.0.1-3.4 in unstable (low) (Robert Millan)
< 1319654653 172044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# [2011-08-13] Accepted 1.0.1-3.3 in unstable (low) (Robert Millan)
< 1319654653 244545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# [2011-08-13] Accepted 1.0.1-3.2 in unstable (low) (Robert Millan)
< 1319654653 244715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# [2011-07-08] wine REMOVED from testing (Britney)
< 1319654653 244829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# [2010-11-27] wine 1.0.1-3.1 MIGRATED to testing (Britney)
< 1319654662 208993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had been terminally unmaintained, apparently
< 1319654663 243140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for two years
< 1319654710 427065 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, pretty sure ubuntu has newer wine packages than that, why is that work not reusable in debian?
< 1319654793 38906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1319655108 767487 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/lpkye/seriously_the_void_fog_needs_to_go/
< 1319655111 752128 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops.
< 1319655407 302803 :Boxer_!~King@89.204.153.91 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319655420 541742 :Boxer_!~King@89.204.153.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hy
< 1319655430 434404 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1319655444 244862 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(are you new?)
< 1319655461 824396 :Boxer_!~King@89.204.153.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You a Fam  Male
< 1319655469 697240 :Boxer_!~King@89.204.153.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1319655478 387046 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome
< 1319655479 848027 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: welcome: not found
< 1319655483 998545 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome
< 1319655486 129284 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1319655492 254868 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very good at that :(
< 1319655508 636806 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I am a Fam   Male? What?
< 1319655529 527371 :Boxer_!~King@89.204.153.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deutsch
< 1319655543 780989 :Boxer_!~King@89.204.153.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Girl Boy ?
< 1319655549 264597 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boy
< 1319655559 264967 :Boxer_!~King@89.204.153.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oky
< 1319655560 735376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319655564 425312 :Boxer_!~King@89.204.153.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanks
< 1319655576 198658 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of us here are, to be honest
< 1319655597 732340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello Boxer_ tanks
< 1319655601 263726 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319655698 246205 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, for the longest time, all of us were.
< 1319655715 257090 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This lead to Phantom_Hoover's Laws of Statistical Absurdity.
< 1319655730 115280 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1319655812 84105 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin
< 1319655880 723108 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are some people not, then?
< 1319655955 297625 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This reminds me of this humor radio show, parodying the "forest radio" show: (freely paraphrasing from the Finnish) "Hey there all men of the forest; and why not women too -- after all, half the men are women!"
< 1319656096 324311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm pretty sure Madoka-Kaname and tiffany aren't.
< 1319656191 164402 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1319656284 497787 :Boxer_!~King@89.204.153.91 QUIT :Quit: Rooms • iPhone IRC Client • http://www.roomsapp.mobi
< 1319656386 338138 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319656597 89074 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1319656661 512326 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I maintain that Madoka-Kaname is actually a 40-year-old man, and we don't talk about tiffany in this house young man.
< 1319656859 296885 :Boxer_!~King@89.204.153.91 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319656867 957036 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boxer_!
< 1319656880 789580 :Boxer_!~King@89.204.153.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ja
< 1319656913 125049 :Boxer_!~King@89.204.153.91 PART :#esoteric
< 1319656956 799649 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's scared of Finns
< 1319656970 927231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boxer_ is the best.
< 1319657012 647297 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319657040 473627 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, SEE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE
< 1319657110 279149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is Boxer_, anyway?
< 1319657120 71678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why did he part rather than quit? I get a feeling he/she doesn't like being here
< 1319657122 159262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best.
< 1319657131 253673 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :New chap, apparently German
< 1319657136 176364 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the clearing stands a Boxer_, and a fighter by his trade?
< 1319657142 460544 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least German-speaking
< 1319657148 697111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: You realise he will have no clue at all what this channel is about.
< 1319657199 508116 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We must attempt to contact this primitive "ger man", and bring the light of civilisation to him and his people.
< 1319657346 723579 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and who is tiffany? should i know tiffany?
< 1319657357 532643 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm madoka-kaname's girlfriend
< 1319657362 693315 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knowing tiffany will bring only pain and sorrow.
< 1319657367 247359 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :._.
< 1319657375 759865 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs

< 1319657407 275643 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For background information, see:
< 1319657411 720254 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Galatea
< 1319657413 125157 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1319657414 39180 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :649)  It's like Pygmalion and Galatea but more weeaboo.   Also lesbian.
< 1319657497 465123 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tiffany is an emoticon bot under the delusion that she is intelligent.)
< 1319657523 693909 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not an emote bot :c
< 1319657538 41166 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor thing is confused.
< 1319657541 381919 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION kicks phantom_hoover in the shin

< 1319657550 211772 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone paradoxed her at some point, obviously.
< 1319657574 794828 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :She doesn't even realise that a) I am a phantom, and hence cannot be kicked and b) I am I hoover, and hence do not have shins.
< 1319657586 445440 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I am a hoover
< 1319657587 723845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am I hoover --Phantom Hoover
< 1319657606 679708 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add a full stop in the middle and it becomes philosophy.
< 1319657711 226784 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-242-177.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319657717 922642 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-43.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1319657721 127240 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  Add a full stop in the middle and it becomes philosophy.
< 1319657723 572750 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :696)  Add a full stop in the middle and it becomes philosophy.
< 1319658101 843476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319658558 977039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1319658566 36118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott
< 1319658572 184022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1319658575 703572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott
< 1319658578 611753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1319658579 265933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott
< 1319658581 215682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1319658581 751176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott
< 1319658583 70482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1319658583 545120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott
< 1319658584 394408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1319658584 907921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott
< 1319658585 911421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1319658586 388942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott
< 1319658587 755537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1319658588 365083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott
< 1319658589 141981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1319658590 671477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott
< 1319658591 827436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1319658593 304067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott
< 1319658593 448635 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1319658594 149075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1319658610 316934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses, foiled by a monkey
< 1319658616 239672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was so good
< 1319658663 220062 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my, you're having FUN in here
< 1319658725 542655 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, WP lured me to click one of its donation appeals with the prospect of learning what the hell is up with that programmer's face.
< 1319658760 376194 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it... brain damage after exposure to python?
< 1319658788 692428 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lesions of Rossum.
< 1319658827 454080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :today's xkcd was somewhat confusing until i got it
< 1319658837 77741 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then realized i'd had similar thoughts
< 1319658880 818125 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they could have just caught a bomb in it?
< 1319658888 458530 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was the Blitz, after all.
< 1319658907 370870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a well known fact that python turns you into a universal robot
< 1319658908 353113 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Catching a bomb with a wardrobe: easiest thing ever.
< 1319658931 520200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you get that pun without googling i'll be somewhat impressed)
< 1319658964 116120 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Explain.
< 1319658976 909228 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes, it could have been critical to the war effort.
< 1319658985 453630 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should have all been shot for treason.
< 1319658986 584579 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: if you put the bomb in the wardrobe it'll actually explode in narnia
< 1319658994 536438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: we had an oko pyramid earlier today for the first time in years
< 1319659000 940823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was me who messed it up :(
< 1319659010 553573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's not a pyramid if oklopol isn't involved; was he
< 1319659015 69210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was
< 1319659025 409761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i kind of find ours unimpressive after observing the #vjn natives
< 1319659025 930346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hint: Karel Čapek
< 1319659041 997464 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course.
< 1319659110 863953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:58:41:  ^show scramble
< 1319659111 175511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:58:42:  >>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<2[.<2]
< 1319659111 249930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:58:43:  But it does seem to be. Hmm.
< 1319659111 250002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:58:45:  ^show srmlebac
< 1319659111 250047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:58:45:  >>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<2[.<2]
< 1319659111 434298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:58:53:  Well, those certainly look identical.
< 1319659111 530408 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ' when i make a noise," said he, " yet truth is truth: you know you did." a little wink beneath the lid.
< 1319659111 603183 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: " it's not in nursery fnord? and as for food, our fnord"
< 1319659115 849756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: They're funney aliases.
< 1319659134 458709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1319659134 531084 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice* c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1319659138 447814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so
< 1319659138 583166 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Apparently so. I had forgotteded, and was under the impression they did something slightly different.
< 1319659155 148946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble scamble
< 1319659155 223413 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sabelmc
< 1319659158 499245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1319659160 920947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble scramble
< 1319659160 993107 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :srmlebac
< 1319659175 423127 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :controversipumpk
< 1319659184 64577 :controversipumpk!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin
< 1319659298 161203 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foiled by NICKLEN=16 again.
< 1319659307 992070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:31:22:  Constants arn't, well, constant space.
< 1319659312 669157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: That's, um, true in general.
< 1319659333 659635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rur-ple.sourceforge.net/
< 1319659343 197895 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The constancy of constants is a constant worry of mine.
< 1319659352 447437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wat
< 1319659353 772035 :DCliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319659358 825225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh, DCliche found us.
< 1319659363 135473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everybody run.
< 1319659368 720168 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1319659380 721218 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ the fastest runner.
< 1319659388 812144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:07:27:  ais523: basically GADTs allow you to specify a so-called phantom type parameter. Each constructor can return a value with a different phantom type as a parameter.
< 1319659396 902548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, cakeprophet is totally wrong about this and you should disregard his explanation
< 1319659405 942628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thanks
< 1319659409 905341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a better one?
< 1319659416 754121 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; in reality you specify a so-called Phantom_Hoover.
< 1319659418 694498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just finding someone else who did the same pun
< 1319659424 878128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, essentially
< 1319659441 965570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/users_guide/data-type-extensions.html#gadt?
< 1319659462 567687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's basically a new syntax for regular ADTs where "data Foo a = A Int String | B [a] a" turns into
< 1319659463 951387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Foo where
< 1319659466 936211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  A :: Int -> String -> Foo a
< 1319659471 108318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  B :: [a] -> a -> Foo a
< 1319659478 347567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and then uses that to let you be more specific about the return type
< 1319659480 668113 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/haskell-prime/wiki/GADTs also
< 1319659480 740155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g.
< 1319659485 118945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: A :: Int -> Foo String
< 1319659491 336308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't possible with ordinary ADTs
< 1319659500 454494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this allows you to, e.g. build up typed ASTs
< 1319659507 286052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tuple :: Term a -> Term b -> Term (a,b)
< 1319659540 500601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That's not very helpful, but alright
< 1319659546 472889 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319659554 784433 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's reasonably helpful
< 1319659564 195090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, and it subsumes existential quantification because you can do "Foo :: a -> Term b"
< 1319659571 385496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foo :: (Show a) => a -> Term String
< 1319659572 497606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- later
< 1319659575 654594 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1319659577 297733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval (Foo x) = show x
< 1319659593 190575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK
< 1319659609 853281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not exactly what I want in Anarchy either, but sounds like a useful feature to combine with it
< 1319659619 182507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it also solves the problem with ordinary ADTs that class contexts in data definitions don't do anything useful (and are in fact being removed)
< 1319659667 919487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  that's crazy, it almost seems like you have to tell the program how you want it to manipulate the data and not just give it the relevant commands in a random sequence
< 1319659669 906723 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :697)  that's crazy, it almost seems like you have to tell the program how you want it to manipulate the data and not just give it the relevant commands in a random sequence
< 1319659735 268766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let stringise_anything_with_integer_leaves = match
< 1319659736 686412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :| Leaf x -> x = string_of_int x
< 1319659738 170284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :| _ -> recurse
< 1319659747 100653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some Anarchy for you
< 1319659754 258411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: looks like syb stuff
< 1319659758 972189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :syb?
< 1319659763 249366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrap your boilerplate
< 1319659763 321701 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :syb
< 1319659769 181436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure you can do that with Data.Data
< 1319659775 493804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, Anarchy's a lot about getting rid of boilerplate
< 1319659788 194487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrap your boilerplate is an actual thing
< 1319659797 998949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see...
< 1319659798 111769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for which language?
< 1319659801 905155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell
< 1319659808 96469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :every functional programming language technique has been done in haskell
< 1319659822 227870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319659835 327973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm..
< 1319659836 196903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not uniqueness types, i think
< 1319659837 698994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/../.../
< 1319659840 637697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: true :P
< 1319659860 47465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anarchy also has some other fun features
< 1319659865 770325 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or linear typing, but that's pretty much the same AIUI
< 1319659867 862360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not implemented yet, but I have a vague spec
< 1319659885 977411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that contains all the new language features, but not any of the stuff that's generically available in languages that you actually need
< 1319659887 955688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, that function makes no sense
< 1319659896 600521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, stringise_anything_with_integer_leaves?
< 1319659898 248425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: or, wait, is it mutating the tree?
< 1319659903 475939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or dependent types, i think
< 1319659903 773527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is stringise_anything_with_integer_leaves' type
< 1319659905 401263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's copy-mutating it
< 1319659934 630023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its type is polymorphic: ('a | Leaf Int) -> ('a | Leaf String)
< 1319659945 189830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where 'a can contain any bunch of type constructors
< 1319659951 945130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :including recursive ones
< 1319659957 76049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mutually recursive ones
< 1319659965 624405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh
< 1319659968 921292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :take a look at "everywhere"
< 1319659977 408719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/syb/0.3.3/doc/html/Data-Generics-Schemes.html
< 1319659980 294388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a very searchenginable term
< 1319660003 687217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: f.e. everywhere (mkT show)
< 1319660007 460221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that term is everywhere
< 1319660017 136652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think syb might actually be useful for the planned purpose of Anarchy
< 1319660017 369131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Foo a = Leaf a | Blah (Foo a) (Foo [a]) | Bluh (Foo a) (Foo a)
< 1319660024 880207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll keep going with Anarchy anyway beacuse it's a fun language
< 1319660026 702501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everywhere (mkT show) :: (Show a) => Foo a -> Foo String
< 1319660027 320416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1319660034 109081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'll transform on the leaves
< 1319660037 707630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :including inside the lists
< 1319660058 459222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let frobnify_types = match
< 1319660059 770089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :| x'type(y) -> frobnify y; recurse x
< 1319660065 947364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can stick metadata on things
< 1319660070 202523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ignored except when you explicitly mention it
< 1319660077 146424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "x'type(y)" in less stupid syntax
< 1319660090 650805 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how rude!!
< 1319660103 137243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mean

< 1319660171 189571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not sure if the concept exists in many other languages, but it's basically a pattern that matches anything (x) that has a "type" metadata field with value y
< 1319660200 378619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so (x with Type y) or something
< 1319660206 599600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, if you like
< 1319660239 690220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, programs are starting to break when I open them; the Debian upgrade must be almost finished
< 1319660272 14737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that makes a copy which recurses into x, and replaces the type metadata with a frobnified version
< 1319660281 868409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an implicit "| _ -> recurse" case at the end of that
< 1319660291 565842 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no there isn't
< 1319660297 333891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like anarchy would be nice for tree processing and little else :P
< 1319660300 262396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you get a compile-time error if the tree doesn't have 'type everywhere
< 1319660303 777930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, that's its intended purpose
< 1319660304 64271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, lots of things are tree processing
< 1319660313 318918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just fine with it being useless for anything but tree processing
< 1319660319 139413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/I5FMs.png
< 1319660325 559773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ debian upgrades
< 1319660371 258142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1319660391 977313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, the syb website gives me a 403
< 1319660396 119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not particularly encouraging…
< 1319660414 61199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :syb is maintained as part of the core haskell libraries
< 1319660424 296015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://hackage.haskell.org/package/syb, and http://hackage.haskell.org/package/base (the core is in Data.Data)
< 1319660440 134180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.uu.nl/wiki/GenericProgramming/SYB is the linked website there
< 1319660460 84366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Data.Data has to be in base because of the compiler support for deriving instances)
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< 1319663884 58757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think this thing is probably due for a clean install
< 1319664031 852510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, this is a pretty nifty old script of mine.
< 1319664778 150533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man, this is some cool old code.
< 1319664834 522136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it do something useful?
< 1319664882 177961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ostensibly!
< 1319664887 659345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how I've invented my own dependency system here.
< 1319664981 760826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* previously a function, but a macro produces smaller executables
< 1319664981 922852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :   (bad inlining?) */
< 1319665060 265885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think like half of these programs are full o' goto.
< 1319665078 742232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you should see the code C-INTERCAL generates some time
< 1319665080 851180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially with -e
< 1319665085 530824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* FIXME: inexplicably broken */
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< 1319665118 932760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://sprunge.us/XHdI
< 1319665125 13953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of elegant in its own twisted way
< 1319665164 662409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is that a safer rm?
< 1319665170 270459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Safer howso?
< 1319665186 75183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea
< 1319665193 227709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :less chance of deleting stuff you actually want, or something
< 1319665198 575207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just an rm implementation altogether, right?
< 1319665201 416918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1319665217 83334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what possessed you to reimplement rm?
< 1319665225 31165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/cRDY I love how many of these programs start with comments to the effect of "just doesn't work"
< 1319665239 361404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also like my sliding four-character buffer.
< 1319665293 330465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what OS to install on here for the few weeks of agony
< 1319665305 953485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm sufficiently annoyed at Xfce's taskbar to rule it out
< 1319665306 25975 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vista
< 1319665308 17884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: gah, I saw the "strings" in the usage message before I figured out what it did
< 1319665311 12089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not ready to take the xmonad plunge yet
< 1319665311 817506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: aww
< 1319665336 389539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what made you reimplement the POSIX userland, anyway? so you could truthfully say "Linux" not "GNU/Linux"?
< 1319665361 540761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this was part of my tiny-executable fetishism.
< 1319665371 22745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will still lose to busybox
< 1319665372 235021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're certainly nicer than coreutils implementations, though. :p
< 1319665375 334400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, no
< 1319665383 750530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :these all came out much, much smaller than busybox
< 1319665394 313440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1319665394 386015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :busybox tools aren't really that small at all
< 1319665400 374921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of them are based on coreutils ones, even
< 1319665460 480540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I really like this thing's cal implementation
< 1319665474 311747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :using pikhq's brilliant pseudo-coroutine thing to do the layout
< 1319665508 618804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you implement ddate?
< 1319665527 584858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :( shame on me
< 1319665545 779184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the static binary of all of these tools is 14.7 kilobytes in total
< 1319665558 288618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basename, cal, cat, date, dirname, echo, env, false, kill, link, mkdir,
< 1319665563 516870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mv, pwd, rm, signal, sleep,
< 1319665570 982605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :strings, true, uname, vis, yes,
< 1319665572 106126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chroot
< 1319665585 59120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of which don't work :P
< 1319665609 320412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, the best part is that the build system has special support for true/false
< 1319665613 38915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just so they can skip libc entirely
< 1319665620 530774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRUEFALSECC := /opt/pcc-dietlibc/bin/pcc
< 1319665620 603212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRUEFALSECFLAGS := \
< 1319665620 603365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :	-Os -nostdlib -nostdinc -nostartfiles \
< 1319665620 603499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :	-isystem /opt/pcc-dietlibc/include -D__dietlibc__ \
< 1319665620 603604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :	-D__restrict__= /opt/pcc-dietlibc/lib-x86_64/libc.a \
< 1319665621 518363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :        $(CFLAGS)
< 1319665631 615782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what language were true/false written in?
< 1319665639 216654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you say anything higher-level than asm, I'll be disappointed
< 1319665652 794969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally, you should just pack all the code into the ELF headers
< 1319665680 449883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, I too have read breadbox's page on that
< 1319665696 132543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know, that's why I referenced it rather than having to explain it to you
< 1319665707 330615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, very non-portable C, but it comes out to the same thing as asm, since they look like this:
< 1319665708 29411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include 
< 1319665708 102175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :void _start(void)
< 1319665708 102342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{
< 1319665708 102453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  _exit(0);
< 1319665708 545536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :}
< 1319665728 103915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring, no "goto *(void*)0;"?
< 1319665731 78710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319665746 559131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is probably going to be the least portable line of C I've ever written forever
< 1319665774 540834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it even, strictly-speaking, C?
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< 1319666023 276117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah
< 1319666026 382018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox is ignoring my dpi settings
< 1319666028 521460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sure, it's accepted by at least one strictly-conforming compiler
< 1319666038 169878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if that compiler is gcc-bf
< 1319666044 286624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't believe such compilers exist
< 1319666051 199198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I believe stock gcc will also be able to parse and compile the line, although it doesn't do anything useful)
< 1319666111 744908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right then, time to write some fucking C bindings
< 1319666136 278189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ais523: this is for tallybot, by the way...)
< 1319666187 34739 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to write a bot
< 1319666193 556404 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I never figured out how
< 1319666304 53400 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric : i was going to port my bot to my vps
< 1319666308 765058 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i never time
< 1319666331 416312 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you decide whether the verb is "had" or "made")
< 1319666382 172281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    /* something went wrong but we just ignore it for now... */
< 1319666513 289722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, this is cool enough for me to try and preserve it: http://sprunge.us/WCXI?python
< 1319666674 490679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :72 # I hate ais523
< 1319666688 751082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that was because I had to rewrite it to handle C-INTERCAL's tarball names
< 1319666703 53526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they use final -s to do something other than separate name and version :)
< 1319666705 553275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guessed it was INTERCAL-related
< 1319666731 777459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an automatic build script that just invokes things like configure, right?
< 1319666746 37446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, download/configure/build/install
< 1319666759 273229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: $ inst http://path/to/tarball installs that package into /opt/pkgname
< 1319666766 163212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it works surprisingly well
< 1319666815 977350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I have azip here
< 1319666886 256747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it automatically unpack .az files?
< 1319666895 671830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still pretty pleased at getting it to beat bz2
< 1319666906 583629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which just goes to show that most compression algo designers aren't trying hard enough
< 1319666948 209156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it doesn't :)
< 1319666950 474512 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bz2 hardly involves much trying
< 1319666975 13088 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it beats gz even with stupid encodings for numbers
< 1319666976 739018 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty much BWT + the minimal stuff to compress it
< 1319666984 362739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant
< 1319666987 202674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :re:  does it automatically unpack .az files?
< 1319667008 161595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK
< 1319667096 462828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Thanks for pointing me at NetSurf ages back, btw
< 1319667192 472362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah
< 1319667198 822122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't deal with it, I have to reinstall to get a newer ghc
< 1319667207 524414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Does Arch have a civilised GHC version yet
< 1319667215 162669 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No
< 1319667225 957870 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :crys
< 1319667239 717218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIGH.
< 1319667247 331149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a programmer meant to do???
< 1319667254 544231 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impressively it doesn't even have the latest stable release
< 1319667256 513470 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you hated Arch anyway?
< 1319667262 291408 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :7.0.3 instead of .4
< 1319667271 682684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, but there's no way Debian has a civilised GHC.
< 1319667278 73429 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember my hatred of sshc being ruined when I looked at the logs and it turned out he was actually an idiot.
< 1319667283 742453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: 7.2 is "stable", it's just a "preview release".
< 1319667298 613952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i.e. they released it as stable then decided to slap warnings on it when it turned out to be buggy.
< 1319667334 411194 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever, if it comes with warnings people won't treat it as stable
< 1319667366 318193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah OK so is there an OS that has the latest GHC :-p
< 1319667373 40627 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows
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< 1319667394 785952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Windows does not have the latest GHC.
< 1319667399 153315 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-242-177.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gentoo?
< 1319667405 47971 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, depends on how you think about it
< 1319667405 521711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By that argument practically everything does because there's binary packages
< 1319667405 869332 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-242-177.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just a guess)
< 1319667421 292488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://packages.gentoo.org/package/dev-lang/ghc
< 1319667421 964129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope.
< 1319667422 275427 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The typical method of installing stuff on Windows has the latest GHC
< 1319667481 77020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/ghc
< 1319667485 316142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROBLEM SOLVED.
< 1319667561 998041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soooooooooooooooooooooooo
< 1319667594 182665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, does Arch even still have GNOME 2
< 1319667771 809680 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep

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< 1319667956 235355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no more gnome, or?
< 1319667963 870968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: where is pun
< 1319667981 505558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh neat, Arch are actually not shipping gnome 2 at all
< 1319667989 909228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that fits in with their characteristic march-forwards-at-all-costs attitude
< 1319668009 25378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: as previously, read it aloud.  although my pronunciation may be off, i'm just a lowly norwegian.
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< 1319668021 479192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: idgi
< 1319668046 79700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more a rhyme than a pun
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< 1319668057 557891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sort of works
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< 1319668120 323806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh great, they have their own ~gnome 2 fork~
< 1319668222 242679 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where "they" = "some guy who uploaded it to AUR"?
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< 1319668464 894353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yep
< 1319668476 75953 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok
< 1319668479 645806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a wiki article :P
< 1319668494 46918 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some guy who wiki articled it
< 1319668501 5854 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So "some guy who wrote an article" as well
< 1319668613 900219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Some guy who made a Linux distribution
< 1319668634 719981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yes, it is huge. I'm alone. Thankyou so much."
< 1319668636 507498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep gnome thoughts
< 1319668637 199032 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is not, in any way, affiliated with this gnome 2 fork
< 1319668648 931911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, they're both some guys
< 1319668694 493210 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but I read your "they" as referring to Arch
< 1319668711 983616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, I would just use a standalone WM if I wasn't so attached to panels
< 1319668720 721354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I know of no decent panel implementation other than GNOME2's
< 1319668736 670156 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you use it with a different WM
< 1319668757 891254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You're missing the part where it's not in the repositories
< 1319668763 856384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because OMG OMG OMG GNOME3
< 1319668765 167784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO NEW
< 1319668767 214119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO SHINY
< 1319668785 623012 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It won't get updated anyway, no?
< 1319668793 300992 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So just manually install it
< 1319668810 11597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yeah, that sounds sustainable
< 1319668821 588296 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like said, it won't get updated...
< 1319668832 373392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yeah, so I need to run something else.
< 1319668861 148503 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fork is presumably closest to your needs, then :-P
< 1319668881 290245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah except I know it'll be totally fucked in some awful way, and also it's one big monolithic project so I can't pull out the panel
< 1319668884 693332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows a good panel
< 1319668907 635733 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's so special about gnome2's panel
< 1319669005 926335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Nothing at all, it just isn't horribly broken
< 1319669018 412497 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are other panels horribly broken
< 1319669018 935547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: e.g. In Xfce's, you can't even rearrange windows on the task bar
< 1319669048 427652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE's will probably pull in ~seventy billion KDE dependencies and look like crap and I know it want to be all transparent vector blah blah instead of just using widgets, so I'm disinclined to try it out
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< 1319669100 534793 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use xfce4's, can't say I've felt the need for that feature :-P
< 1319669224 892857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do it all the time to optimise access to a related set of windows, apparently the Xfce devs' opinion on this is that it takes more code so who cares
< 1319669255 124397 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only really use the panel to see what's open anyway
< 1319669288 514063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha ha, Deewiant is an Alt-Tab user
< 1319669320 6717 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Unity because I am tasteless, weird, and don't actually know what you are talking about
< 1319669325 776890 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a panel-like thing but really it's just a clock, the list of workspaces i'm using, and the title of the currently focused window
< 1319669337 690598 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"all monqy needs"
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< 1319669369 749108 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and it has the name of the tiling method i'm using i forgot about that
< 1319669459 18306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Really though Xfce mostly satisfies me, it's just that where it differs from GNOME 2 it's usually inferior
< 1319669472 634165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: xfce-terminal is just close enough to gnome-terminal to annoy me about all the ways it differs
< 1319669488 93398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever their archive manager is called is awful, and their media player is about a billion times worse than Totem
< 1319669488 870684 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only use xfce4-panel, I don't know anything about the rest of it (nor gnome)
< 1319669504 570622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should just use the console exclusievly.
< 1319669510 27915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exclusively.
< 1319669512 16382 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I sleep now -->
< 1319669546 624029 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'quote
< 1319669561 974790 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used the wrong punctuation, didn't I?
< 1319669563 481450 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319669565 577773 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :102)  think of all the starving kids in china who don't have rotting sea life to eat
< 1319669629 165062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, Arch it is I think
< 1319669732 167908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1319669733 369283 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1319669754 659229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oehi
< 1319669755 533336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hi
< 1319669759 925651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1319669901 627259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [r]otting sea life to eat
< 1319669928 104083 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-03-21.txt:04:11:18:  think of all the starving kids in china who don't have rotting sea life to eat
< 1319669955 118063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.  looks genuine then.
< 1319669965 31553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what
< 1319669966 531788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow that sounded to me like oklopol
< 1319669969 768813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
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< 1319670431 539743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So
< 1319670445 953000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installing OSes without an optical drive sucks bigtime.
< 1319670599 401785 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a week until my birthday
< 1319670662 868981 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh, installing oses without optical drive.  that stuff's fun
< 1319670684 766133 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oddly, I generally use SD cards to install OSs
< 1319670690 144316 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I am like that
< 1319670737 550212 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .
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< 1319670886 319592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember, remember, the third of november
< 1319670940 83115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/TfTY ;; someone tell me this isn't a lovely cal(1)
< 1319671106 269530 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight
< 1319671107 749869 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1319671168 860375 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the functions write() and writes()?
< 1319671227 197960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: write() is standard syscall
< 1319671233 521122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :writes(fd,s) is write(fd,s,sizeof(s)-1)
< 1319671240 352953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. avoid specifying length for constant strings
< 1319671253 4206 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1319671303 936213 :augur!~augur@c-68-49-43-223.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1319671324 597533 :DCliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did someone highlight me?
< 1319671340 765099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I did :-P
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< 1319673511 601356 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having a small bit of trouble parsing the lambda syntax in Even.
< 1319673561 917858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you using haskell? >:P
< 1319673579 356401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var$cycle"Parsec! "
< 1319673580 155311 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Parsec! Parsec! Parsec! Parsec! Parsec! Parsec! Parsec! Parsec! Parsec! Par...
< 1319673602 120644 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var$"kessel run"
< 1319673603 74145 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  kessel run
< 1319673622 610066 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using Parsec.
< 1319673631 949784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink kessel run -> parsec
< 1319673642 257056 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: undefined symbol "kessel". \ Warning: undefined symbol "run". \ Warning: undefined symbol "kessel". \ Warning: undefined symbol "run". \ Unconvertable expression: \   kessel (undefined symbol) run (undefined symbol) -> 3.0856775813057289536e+16 m (length)
< 1319673650 342756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :disappointing
< 1319673673 242111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink kessel_run := 18 parsecs; kessel_run -> km
< 1319673678 178386 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It craps its pants when I try to match string "->" after (evenIdentifier `sepBy` (char ',' `surroundedBy` ws))
< 1319673682 310829 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.5542196463503121165e+14
< 1319673689 571783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink kessel_run := 18 parsecs; kessel run -> km
< 1319673699 138908 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: undefined symbol "kessel". \ Warning: undefined symbol "run". \ Warning: undefined symbol "kessel". \ Warning: undefined symbol "run". \ Unconvertable expression: \   kessel (undefined symbol) run (undefined symbol) -> 1000 m (length)
< 1319673726 983227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's 12 parsecs you ignorant dolt
< 1319673733 840711 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: in what way?
< 1319673738 655790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wrong
< 1319673751 677442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's only true for the millennium falcon
< 1319673757 367334 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Unexpected "-". Expecting space or ",".
< 1319673765 61299 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As though it's trying to continue matching the list.
< 1319673786 432151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: you may need evenIdentifier `sepBy` try (char ',' `surroundedBy` ws)
< 1319673786 563531 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the expected space about
< 1319673794 761413 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, the preliminary syntax is { x, y, ...; args; kwargs -> ... }
< 1319673809 334649 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the ; sections are optional.
< 1319673816 668572 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :args? kwargs?
< 1319673824 411040 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just testing it on { x -> 0 } at the moment.
< 1319673834 484370 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rest parameters and keyword arguments, respectively.
< 1319673844 498421 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know but
< 1319673848 237027 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :????????
< 1319673855 821471 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't worry about it. :P
< 1319673905 248975 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway where's your rule to match ->
< 1319673907 755693 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the whole thing
< 1319673912 217875 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using try there gives the same error.
< 1319673914 533767 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :One second.
< 1319673929 645388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: iiuc your `surroundedBy` ws part is matching whitespace, right?  so if there _is_ whitespace at the _end_ but not try it will have read characters to check for the delimiter which isn't there, and cannot give them back
< 1319673929 717703 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rul;e/whateveervrr
< 1319673960 645575 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    normalLambda = lambdaExterior $ do
< 1319673960 727137 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :      arguments <- evenIdentifier `sepBy` try ((char ',') `surroundedBy` ws)
< 1319673960 802695 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :      string "->"
< 1319673960 802861 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :      expressions <- evenExpressions
< 1319673960 802969 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :      return $ EvenLambda (map identifierString arguments) Nothing Nothing
< 1319673963 77721 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :        expressions
< 1319673976 613314 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably what's happening...
< 1319673992 540447 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whbgat's surroundedBy
< 1319674028 228135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: btw a general tip is too always gobble up whitespace at the end of a token and not the beginning (except for the whole program)
< 1319674031 401960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to
< 1319674048 486507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this prevents that giving back trouble
< 1319674052 122268 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :surroundedBy :: Monad m => m i -> m o -> m i
< 1319674052 195582 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :inner `surroundedBy` outer = do outer result <- inner outer return result
< 1319674061 627755 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crap, lines got borked. :/
< 1319674069 319685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am 100% sure parsec has a combinator for that.
< 1319674081 233151 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do { outer; result <- inner; outer; return result }
< 1319674091 114184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"between" although that requires writing it twice
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< 1319674106 171213 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :outer *> inner <* outer
< 1319674134 934278 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how to use Applicative right
< 1319674139 481765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too
< 1319674179 304324 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's ws
< 1319674179 679526 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The surroundedBy works for list/map syntax, just not this part of the lambda syntax.
< 1319674187 955318 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shorthand for spaces.
< 1319674199 4903 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :== many space
< 1319674204 304922 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spaces is a thing iirc
< 1319674227 920995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : i am 100% sure parsec has a combinator for that.
< 1319674229 568090 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you know that and just not want to type spaces
< 1319674235 12035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle Parser a -> Parser b -> Parser b
< 1319674235 431727 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found
< 1319674242 654507 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that and just didn't want to type spaces. :P
< 1319674250 534873 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :crys
< 1319674258 942190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: (evenIdentifier <* ws) `sepBy` (char ',' <* ws), i think
< 1319674332 384484 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold up, I'm gonna move some of the whitespace rules around.
< 1319674332 518201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: even ignoring try, the problem was that the last evenIdentifier wouldn't gobble up following spaces.  assuming you want that to happen.
< 1319674429 650204 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's fixed it. I wasn't being careful enough with my whitespace rules.
< 1319674451 780047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Wake up and tell me what to use insetad of clyde
< 1319674457 183427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/insetad/instead/
< 1319674479 92203 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's cleyd
< 1319674500 138900 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar so what's with that args quargs stuff why do you have it???
< 1319674567 2661 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has somehow come across text that is both valid UTF-8 and obviously not UTF-8.

< 1319674590 481792 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite amazing, if horrifying.
< 1319674599 176514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go on
< 1319674613 31834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: probably using the ancient r'lyehan charset?
< 1319674619 603430 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Easy variadic functions. Same reason Scheme has (define (f something . rest) (...))
< 1319674622 406210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*character subset
< 1319674640 262830 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, it's a .zip file that I *expect* to contain things in a Japanese encoding.
< 1319674667 269483 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm *suspecting* it's something utterly insane like Shift-JIS shoved through the UTF-8 algorithm.
< 1319674668 854083 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: SJIS mistakenly re-encoded as UTF8 via something else?
< 1319674674 365056 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that.
< 1319674678 332412 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :args can be kind of a mess and quargs is a big mess. I'd recommend at the very least keeping your language simple until you've everything sorted
< 1319674712 167439 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, I don't think there's anything that could *sanely* invert that.
< 1319674721 11782 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Waaait.
< 1319674727 836743 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 to UTF-16 conversion?
< 1319674748 593719 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Thanks for the recommendation. I was going to get the basics working first, but I want the syntax to be there when I need it later.
< 1319674750 44608 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :troubles include: added syntax, requirement of putting lists and maps in the core language, troubles writing generic apply etc etce tce tfccccc
< 1319674767 574700 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for your language replace apply with composition
< 1319674771 656875 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even bigger problesm>????)
< 1319674781 767118 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :generic apply is probably always good too though (thumbs up)
< 1319674804 441253 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're making even general-puprose?
< 1319674894 733689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more importantly
< 1319674913 961307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :args = no currying lol
< 1319674914 33948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means your language is insatntly unusable shit, fact.
< 1319674948 373162 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought we had already established no currying but haha/yeah
< 1319675072 900195 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had assumed it had some fancy magical alternative to curreying which eveincar had thought over very well and knew the implications of etc etc
< 1319675095 776866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's a common aspect of features of this language so far
< 1319675098 562377 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not exactly magical, but it is pretty straightforward.
< 1319675113 11560 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is basically currying. :P
< 1319675117 29083 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1319675123 862101 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have partially applied functions, if that's what you mean.
< 1319675133 482871 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :currying is entirely different
< 1319675141 327148 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from partial application
< 1319675289 633437 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If functions of multiple arguments are treated the same as functions of a single argument that return functions, then for all practical purposes, they're the same.
< 1319675335 889683 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are fundamentally different but currying allows for partial application is what you're saying right
< 1319675360 969585 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1319675434 411900 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Even has currying, and partial application implemented atop that, plus syntax for fixing arguments of a function other than the first.
< 1319675452 537439 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that internally, functions *do* take multiple arguments.
< 1319675463 326478 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even has currying?
< 1319675464 78033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds elegant and practical.
< 1319675493 795537 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't tell if you're serious. :/
< 1319675494 450191 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah what elliott said; it's a fucking mess
< 1319675501 954989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ghc has much of that too
< 1319675508 827486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: if i'm praising your language i'm not serious
< 1319675517 863118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes i totally believe that "internally" means "completely hidden from the user and an implementation detail"
< 1319675527 407807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than "hidden behind a thin layer of syntax"
< 1319675552 931246 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: you claim it has currying, yet you have demonstrated it doesn't; ???????????????????????
< 1319675581 994480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is...
< 1319675583 252349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it isn't
< 1319675585 52827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let the poor guy implement it, then it will become obvious to him if/that it doesn't work
< 1319675596 19387 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ that.
< 1319675597 701269 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zennest langauge
< 1319675619 875013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he is implementing it, also talking about it
< 1319675619 947277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're interrupting the latter, not the former
< 1319675635 928154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL I'M SICK OF IT
< 1319675637 368565 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't entirely believe it will become obvious if he has fundamental confusion
< 1319675638 873755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs away

< 1319675679 609432 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may become obvious that something's wrong, but not necessarily what.  alternatively, it could seem as though nothing is wrong because of misinterpretation/misdescription
< 1319675687 434639 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i am not trusting enough???
< 1319675773 124687 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're not trusting enough.
< 1319675780 72712 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could just be very, very bad at explaining what I mean.
< 1319676154 47863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go go distro install
< 1319676159 150361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319677005 494672 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp. I'm at a complete loss.
< 1319677235 503375 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's now not valid UTF-8, but it's not valid anything else, either.
< 1319677324 725742 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm suspecting endianness.
< 1319677372 397862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well so switch the bytes, then
< 1319677388 850676 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is nontrivial if it's Shift-JIS.
< 1319677403 69677 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or anything but UTF-8...
< 1319677421 633656 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damned variable-width encodings.
< 1319677459 153549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319677497 196395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you have read the utf-8 in as code points into a program, shouldn't you be able to print it in any other format you wish
< 1319677585 710302 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except the UTF-8 is merely the result of horrific mangling, and not anything sensible.
< 1319677626 291587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you said you thought it was something encoding it as utf-8, in which case shouldn't the codepoints contain all the original information
< 1319677640 128558 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I have is filenames which have been shoved through *some* sort of process, with one step involving the application of the UTF-8 algorithm.
< 1319677673 863709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the filenames?
< 1319677687 724870 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The text is apparently valid Shift-JIS.
< 1319677745 698905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well i don't know anything more about this
< 1319677754 615606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate people on irc who ask for more detail about a question and then say nothing more about it :(
< 1319677755 15559 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :My money's on SJIS -> ISO 8859-1 -> UTF-8.
< 1319677783 673438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wait are you referring to me :(
< 1319677789 451291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1319677792 624635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1319677795 710302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people in #archlinux
< 1319677815 119764 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: To be hated by elliott isn't exactly a difficult distinction to achieve.
< 1319677829 167875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :translation:  :'(
< 1319677835 190742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: true, but i seem to have strangely evaded it so far
< 1319677856 30943 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, I haven't.
< 1319678225 215848 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-92.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319678289 421495 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1319678395 547088 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got it.
< 1319678395 786027 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-67.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1319678414 775857 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's *just* Shift-JIS with each *byte* having the UTF-8 algorithm applied.
< 1319678421 872866 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconv -f utf-8 -t utf-16 | tr -d '\0' | tail -c +3 | iconv -f shift-jis -t utf-8
< 1319678422 23846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1319678468 911893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is more or less what evincar said
< 1319678530 445475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the first -> meaning "reinterpreted as"
< 1319678671 206378 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was really, really nasty.
< 1319678853 307257 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This has happened to me before...
< 1319678904 761122 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congratulations on your newfound filenames.
< 1319678908 737726 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the archive contain?
< 1319678924 98639 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Insert joke about the illegal or pornographic nature of a corrupt Japanese archive.)
< 1319678964 61343 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The novel series "キノの旅", in reasonably formatted text.
< 1319679367 303454 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so what was u2b about, i never got that
< 1319679404 952710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: youtube, sheesh
< 1319679432 43495 :cheater!~cheater@ip-77-24-201-146.web.vodafone.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1319679466 109459 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it was that one
< 1319679470 97292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: i have this sense i may have seen an anime episode of that once, perhaps #10 on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kino%27s_Journey_episodes
< 1319679486 293539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually only part of the episode
< 1319679568 907689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't be silly, you're norwegian
< 1319679634 552084 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's a fairly good anime, and so I'm interested in seeing if the books are as good and/or better.
< 1319679669 916340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTE TO SELF
< 1319679671 375131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTE TO SELF
< 1319679675 828870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :_COPY BACK THE BACKUP BEFORE INSTALLING ARCH_
< 1319679679 675030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was sent around midnight on some satellite channel when i was visiting my aunt
< 1319679761 960313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it may even have been a norwegian channel
< 1319679848 763118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1319679990 712047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~$ sudo partprobe
< 1319679990 924540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Invalid partition table - recursive partition on /dev/sdb.
< 1319679992 779952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good...
< 1319680032 632164 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :G'night all. Thanks for the assistance, as always.
< 1319680035 204962 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1319680036 503893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo dawg i heard you like partitions
< 1319680043 70362 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319680089 80129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1319680396 861524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list remember
< 1319680397 202869 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote provides: quote remember forget ghc fortune yow arr yarr keal b52s brain palomer girl19 v yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw protontorpedo nixon farber
< 1319680408 47290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@remember how does this work?
< 1319680408 265586 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1319680427 553965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote how does this
< 1319680427 689146 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how says: does this work?
< 1319680441 214986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@forget how does this work?
< 1319680441 586871 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1319680445 683688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote how does this
< 1319680445 840989 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. Just what do you think you're doing Dave?
< 1319680602 980414 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote Haskell
< 1319680603 779054 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell says: I'm a bitching language
< 1319680615 962511 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote JavaScript
< 1319680616 34983 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :donw says: [of JavaScript booleans] I've heard of duck-typing, and static-typing, but this is the first time I've heard of Schrödinger-typing...
< 1319680627 640005 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D
< 1319680766 886281 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote JavaScript
< 1319680767 612856 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet says: Javascript is pretty much a DSL for making your web browser take up more CPU
< 1319680771 119041 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote JavaScript
< 1319680771 797961 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :medfly says: I wanted to use xmonad and yi, just to be cool like that, but to write javascript.
< 1319680773 620188 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote JavaScript
< 1319680774 427235 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :medfly says: I wanted to use xmonad and yi, just to be cool like that, but to write javascript.
< 1319680775 413949 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote JavaScript
< 1319680776 203444 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :medfly says: I wanted to use xmonad and yi, just to be cool like that, but to write javascript.
< 1319681054 917143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote repetitive
< 1319681055 245250 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. Maybe if you used more than just two fingers...
< 1319681122 498658 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote JavaScript
< 1319681123 204347 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :medfly says: I wanted to use xmonad and yi, just to be cool like that, but to write javascript.
< 1319681124 11266 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote JavaScript
< 1319681124 895135 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :medfly says: I wanted to use xmonad and yi, just to be cool like that, but to write javascript.
< 1319681125 445976 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote JavaScript
< 1319681126 238993 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :donw says: [of JavaScript booleans] I've heard of duck-typing, and static-typing, but this is the first time I've heard of Schrödinger-typing...
< 1319682414 780875 :elliott_!~arch@95.149.243.37 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319682418 85315 :elliott_!~arch@95.149.243.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know GRUB2?
< 1319682635 937905 :elliott_!~arch@95.149.243.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw you can remove the numbers from the topic.
< 1319682646 610553 :elliott_!~arch@95.149.243.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1234567890!@#$%^&*()
< 1319682686 743799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww
< 1319682699 441059 :elliott_!~arch@95.149.243.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well you can leave them if you want :P
< 1319682708 709254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :EPL evening school assignments! http://tinyurl.com/5stnu5n | It's the end of an era | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1319682724 669526 :elliott_!~arch@95.149.243.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Can you find out whether GRUB2 can boot from JFS or not; I can't really browse the web from this :P
< 1319683002 931030 :elliott_!~arch@95.149.243.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, let's assume "yes"
< 1319683042 380780 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems it's "yes".
< 1319683076 789466 :elliott_!~arch@95.149.243.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good, I assumed right :P
< 1319683098 515615 :elliott_!~arch@95.149.243.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, #grub agree.
< 1319683110 101936 :elliott_!~arch@95.149.243.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Thanks
< 1319683535 200288 :elliott_!~arch@95.149.243.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Oooooooooops
< 1319683541 759300 :elliott_!~arch@95.149.243.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Not the same for GRUB1, is it
< 1319683548 768884 :elliott_!~arch@95.149.243.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like Arch still uses GRUB1 for some insane reason
< 1319683682 546855 :elliott_!~arch@95.149.243.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can just install GRUB2, but this is still annoying :/
< 1319683742 812461 :elliott_!~arch@95.149.243.37 NICK :elliott
< 1319683761 269261 :elliott!~arch@95.149.243.37 QUIT :Changing host
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< 1319683917 118767 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, time to redo i guess
< 1319683922 936213 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: quick, give my /boot partition a size
< 1319684078 974228 :NDandy!b8ab9bda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.155.218 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319684090 946150 :NDandy!b8ab9bda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.155.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What up, yo?
< 1319684104 789449 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NDandy: Pssst, give my /boot partition a size. It's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity,
< 1319684125 537174 :NDandy!b8ab9bda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.155.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1319684130 76518 :NDandy!b8ab9bda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.155.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the upper bound?
< 1319684135 399555 :NDandy!b8ab9bda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.155.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what are you booting?
< 1319684139 844789 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably 100. And Linux.
< 1319684145 547253 :NDandy!b8ab9bda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.155.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually go for 4 GB or so
< 1319684151 615890 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...for /boot?
< 1319684157 413922 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How big are your kernels?
< 1319684164 418883 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to go with 100M.
< 1319684167 750928 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even 100 is massively overshooting it if you're not a kernel dev :P
< 1319684167 938894 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's overkill.
< 1319684175 322883 :NDandy!b8ab9bda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.155.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose
< 1319684179 835459 :NDandy!b8ab9bda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.155.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just overdo space
< 1319684181 541942 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How big are your disks
< 1319684182 727187 :NDandy!b8ab9bda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.155.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so cheap
< 1319684185 414925 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :df -h
< 1319684188 327761 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much of /boot is being used :P
< 1319684196 53668 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be like one percent of a percent.
< 1319684200 455142 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :20M!
< 1319684201 791878 :NDandy!b8ab9bda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.155.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X, remember?
< 1319684210 545024 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1319684215 760769 :NDandy!b8ab9bda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.155.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, go 100M
< 1319684218 183621 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :initrd is apparently huge.
< 1319684218 498914 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Ooh ooh should I make it 100 or 128.
< 1319684221 912029 :NDandy!b8ab9bda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.155.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be sufficient
< 1319684230 439276 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait this isn't an SSD.
< 1319684231 695748 :NDandy!b8ab9bda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.155.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, any awk wizards, perchance?
< 1319684232 125362 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 it is
< 1319684237 855206 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NDandy: I'm ... decent at awk.
< 1319684239 7902 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 100 MB or 128 MiB, :)
< 1319684246 550211 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote some part of a Lisp in awk once.
< 1319684251 421056 :NDandy!b8ab9bda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.155.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That makes you better than me, most likely
< 1319684261 499985 :NDandy!b8ab9bda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.155.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just trying to save some time at work, and I'm almost there
< 1319684306 341834 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be perfectly honest, Perl is probably less painful than awk.
< 1319684315 810504 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's way uglier, but you run into awk's limitations really qucikly.
< 1319684348 761188 :NDandy!b8ab9bda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.155.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This script is pretty ugly, anyway
< 1319684349 761308 :NDandy!b8ab9bda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.155.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/53187
< 1319684366 773034 :NDandy!b8ab9bda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.155.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data I'm working with: http://giraffe.uvm.edu/~rgweb/batch/enrollment/curr_enroll_201101.txt
< 1319684409 363371 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's the problem
< 1319684413 58096 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, are you meant to use gsub like that
< 1319684414 567759 :NDandy!b8ab9bda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.155.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could probably just pipe through grep a few times to get the same effect, but I wanted to try something new
< 1319684420 226772 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure gsub returns a string
< 1319684422 160211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm rather awkward at awk
< 1319684424 949479 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you're meant to use it in the {} part
< 1319684429 555517 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be wrong though :P
< 1319684435 341118 :NDandy!b8ab9bda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.155.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it works, and that's what I'm working with :D
< 1319684439 867145 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough
< 1319684454 285060 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so glad this livecd gives me a large framebuffer console
< 1319684458 621689 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or this would be unbearable
< 1319684459 667169 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC, I mean
< 1319684470 816137 :NDandy!b8ab9bda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.155.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to add the numbers at $9 when $2 is equal on multiple lines
< 1319684483 30198 :NDandy!b8ab9bda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.155.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 livecds
< 1319684496 832049 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep
< 1319684499 776696 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get your explanation of whaty ou want to do
< 1319684517 13900 :NDandy!b8ab9bda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.155.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$9 is the number of students enrolled in a particular class
< 1319684521 871340 :NDandy!b8ab9bda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.155.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$2 is the class number
< 1319684532 333192 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you want to consolidate lines?
< 1319684550 946150 :NDandy!b8ab9bda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.155.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, and I'd like to add the values in $9 at the same time
< 1319684567 958263 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEGIN{n=0;foo=""} $2==foo{n+=$9} {print n; foo=$2; n=$9}
< 1319684571 39155 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's something to start you off with
< 1319684576 743657 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that it prints 0 on startup...
< 1319684599 957874 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy crap
< 1319684609 825887 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guy in #archlinux
< 1319684615 72109 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to get openbox to work
< 1319684620 98741 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out he hasn't got x started
< 1319684622 514044 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people tell him to install it
< 1319684626 135018 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he says he opted not to install x
< 1319684631 287218 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they tell him openbox needs x
< 1319684636 155857 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he says he thought x was just another wm like openbox :P
< 1319684655 376312 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch users: like ubuntu users, but with chainsaws
< 1319684932 661686 :elliott!~arch@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1319685392 346146 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any languages on the esowiki with "random" effects ?
< 1319685399 282798 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :for certain operators or functions
< 1319685505 95409 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :noit o' mnain worb for instance
< 1319685518 939078 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is pretty random
< 1319685533 439474 :augur!~augur@c-68-49-43-223.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319685565 710879 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle m a -> m a -> a -> a -> a -> m a
< 1319685566 934641 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.Parsec.Error showErrorMessages :: String -> String -> String -> String -> String -> [Message] -> String
< 1319685567 6846 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.ParserCombinators.Parsec.Error showErrorMessages :: String -> String -> String -> String -> String -> [Message] -> String
< 1319685567 79283 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad liftM5 :: Monad m => (a1 -> a2 -> a3 -> a4 -> a5 -> r) -> m a1 -> m a2 -> m a3 -> m a4 -> m a5 -> m r
< 1319685570 306142 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle m a -> m a -> (a -> a -> a )-> m a
< 1319685571 179377 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.IntMap unionWith :: (a -> a -> a) -> IntMap a -> IntMap a -> IntMap a
< 1319685571 405398 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.IntMap intersectionWith :: (a -> b -> a) -> IntMap a -> IntMap b -> IntMap a
< 1319685571 477534 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List deleteFirstsBy :: (a -> a -> Bool) -> [a] -> [a] -> [a]
< 1319685579 812320 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle m a -> m a -> (a -> a -> a) -> m a
< 1319685580 621246 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.IntMap unionWith :: (a -> a -> a) -> IntMap a -> IntMap a -> IntMap a
< 1319685580 851744 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.IntMap intersectionWith :: (a -> b -> a) -> IntMap a -> IntMap b -> IntMap a
< 1319685580 924221 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List deleteFirstsBy :: (a -> a -> Bool) -> [a] -> [a] -> [a]
< 1319685613 986572 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (a -> b -> c) -> m a -> m b -> m c
< 1319685614 870993 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad liftM2 :: Monad m => (a1 -> a2 -> r) -> m a1 -> m a2 -> m r
< 1319685615 217035 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Applicative liftA2 :: Applicative f => (a -> b -> c) -> f a -> f b -> f c
< 1319685615 289454 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude zipWith :: (a -> b -> c) -> [a] -> [b] -> [c]
< 1319685618 780507 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src liftM2
< 1319685619 568677 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftM2 f m1 m2 = do { x1 <- m1; x2 <- m2; return (f x1 x2) }
< 1319685628 760201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t liftA2
< 1319685629 555588 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b c (f :: * -> *). (Applicative f) => (a -> b -> c) -> f a -> f b -> f c
< 1319685643 100519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it was there
< 1319685686 673241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src liftA2
< 1319685686 959296 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftA2 f a b = f <$> a <*> b
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< 1319687509 431560 :NDandy!b8ab9bda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.155.218 QUIT :Quit: brb, Troll 2
< 1319687845 251358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319687853 327935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup
< 1319687962 799906 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: kmc's exciting bug is up.
< 1319687966 127103 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/53188
< 1319687994 700822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That's only a bug because people project their desires onto unsafePerformIO.
< 1319688009 782322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i appear to have started archive binging yet another fantasy gamer comic
< 1319688020 156930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which
< 1319688025 934735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1319688028 125610 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Desires like "it should do what it says it'll do"?
< 1319688044 623247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Where does unsafePerformIO guarantee the IO will only be done once?
< 1319688055 63491 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: In GHC?
< 1319688064 405500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You're writing unportable programs???
< 1319688071 29816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC shouldn't support such riff-raff.
< 1319688083 745697 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/libraries/base/System-IO-Unsafe.html
< 1319688116 409058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes yes that's just the evil effects of popular demand.
< 1319688135 215552 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's deep, man
< 1319688147 63411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, people demand the value of IO actions.
< 1319688148 544033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Popularly.
< 1319688152 831152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... yeah.
< 1319688207 80221 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Since when are you in here?
< 1319688212 815578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since ages.
< 1319688214 857044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an infestation.
< 1319688231 215367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote kmc
< 1319688233 232671 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1319688259 153026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesn't deign _us_ with quotable material though
< 1319688327 484264 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319688445 954916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why http://yafgc.net/ of course
< 1319688458 94605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i'd made that _perfectly_ clear
< 1319688474 425888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION coughs

< 1319688526 391918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That oerjan. So wacky.
< 1319688534 72464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: You use Chromium and xfwm4, right?
< 1319688539 895631 :DCliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1319688574 59852 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox and xfwm4
< 1319688581 889418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. I thought you used Chromium.
< 1319688592 210532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is trying to get it to not look like shit (technical term).

< 1319688687 603905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, wasn't there a ghc function for specifically preventing more than one thread from entering a thunk?
< 1319688704 146485 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: noDuplicate?
< 1319688705 860174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's the unsafeDupablePerformIO mess
< 1319688709 903522 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what unsafePerformIO uses.
< 1319688714 661176 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is full of quotable material, by the way.
< 1319688724 490295 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote kmc
< 1319688724 931551 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc says: fuck me with a rusty chainsaw
< 1319688733 433632 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear
< 1319688741 156952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's better than most of our quotse.
< 1319688742 241833 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that cheater?
< 1319688748 81409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh so it _is_ actually supposed to prevent that thing...?
< 1319688751 583810 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like something i *would* say
< 1319688752 159380 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ..."quotse"?
< 1319688756 669927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You're not meant to ping him.
< 1319688759 205327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also yes, quotse.
< 1319688760 483584 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm amused because whenever i poke my head in here, you guys are talking about haskell
< 1319688762 221509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://quotse.cx/
< 1319688764 440227 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real esoteric language
< 1319688772 173672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: We gave up on finding anything more esoteric.
< 1319688776 257279 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Don't worry, they talk about C++ too.
< 1319688781 770267 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have those esoteromorphisms
< 1319688781 921031 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote kmc eso
< 1319688782 154784 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc says: maybe the 9,639,482nd time we argue about C++ we will finally resolve the issue
< 1319688784 208262 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't beat that
< 1319688789 320240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hey that's slander!
< 1319688796 558916 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote kmc eso
< 1319688796 803614 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc says: C++ is at least interesting to learn.  it's a good esolang
< 1319688796 875971 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha shachaf, that worked
< 1319688817 808498 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote kmc
< 1319688818 666916 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc says: type constructors are "functions" that operate on types
< 1319688823 935863 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It's just because 90% of your quotes are about C++.
< 1319688825 250455 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that quotable
< 1319688826 101765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a quote.
< 1319688829 81780 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote kmc c\+\+
< 1319688829 735222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in stitches.
< 1319688829 807389 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc says: maybe the 9,639,482nd time we argue about C++ we will finally resolve the issue
< 1319688831 317878 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote kmc c\+\+
< 1319688831 944329 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc says: I enjoy it when people write "C/C++" on their resume as if it were one language... so "F#/FORTRAN/Forth", "Perl/Python/Pascal", "Ruby/REBOL/R"
< 1319688840 350860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote kmc kmc
< 1319688841 340991 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc says:  this is a bit too Rube Goldberg for me to be totally happy trusting it to run a cutting laser  but oh well
< 1319688893 186532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well _some_ of our recent haskell talk was about evincar trying to use parsec for his esolang
< 1319688909 833520 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly his esolang should be a haskell EDSL
< 1319688914 214748 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, give it up; the only thing you ever talk about in this channel is Haskell.
< 1319688916 809153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, oh no.
< 1319688922 803622 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolang Demented pSychopathic Language
< 1319688925 362250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No no no, I am 99% sure evincar does not consider that an esolang.
< 1319688932 480770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :99.9%, even.
< 1319688934 233564 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I met kmc the other day; he's nothing like anything in person.
< 1319688939 393905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe he has even stated this.
< 1319688940 133708 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: And being Nørsë.
< 1319688942 70255 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a non-entity
< 1319688955 415078 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there was no LSD involved. Which was kind of weird.
< 1319688958 258727 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to Numberwang, the numbers quiz that's simply everyone!
< 1319688960 777648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Say something funny.
< 1319688966 994697 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :COCKS
< 1319688986 331628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: No that wasn't funny you lose sorry.
< 1319688987 879687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ban him.
< 1319688992 217263 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffffuuuuuuuu
< 1319688998 347715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ban him twice for that.
< 1319689008 912008 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, we're handing out bans?
< 1319689010 946406 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: u mad?
< 1319689024 154320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exceedingly!
< 1319689048 679858 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo elliawtt, i hird u mad, so i put all the things in your things so u can mad while u mad
< 1319689048 869788 :Zuu2!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319689053 750947 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In kmc's IRC comment "COCKS", kmc makes a clear appeal to the most traditional yet ever-poignant theme of IRC humor: the penis. This mention elucidates laughter amongst all who hear it. Truly, "COCKS" is a masterpiece.
< 1319689065 646544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's talk about Haskell again.
< 1319689089 186530 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly cocks
< 1319689091 742199 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google "invented the mysterious force"
< 1319689092 517908 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qdb.rawrnix.com/?browse&3
< 1319689092 669410 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Browse Quotes
< 1319689092 762838 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote cocks
< 1319689093 514886 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tinned_Tuna says: "Phwoar, she's got a nice set of tits and a nice fat pair of cocksucking lips"
< 1319689097 429145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  truly cocks
< 1319689099 704259 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :698)  truly cocks
< 1319689106 188497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 698
< 1319689108 887505 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1319689109 352596 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha that's allowed but not @vixen?
< 1319689112 176807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  COCKS [...]  truly cocks
< 1319689112 377220 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vixen cocks
< 1319689113 130506 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solutions are not the answer.
< 1319689114 774918 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :698)  COCKS [...]  truly cocks
< 1319689177 777656 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319689220 862267 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't get it.

< 1319689297 871036 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
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< 1319694106 206371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1319694909 350191 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, kmc is here now
< 1319695002 961316 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: You are now graced with my absence.
< 1319695222 26121 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm always here
< 1319695224 353383 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :watching you
< 1319695900 669786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :reassuring
< 1319696749 513943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's morally acceptable to use an old GHC.
< 1319696756 698362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I will be able to sleep at night.
< 1319696764 831794 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How old?
< 1319696770 602972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 7.0.3
< 1319696779 611844 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In general, no, it's not, and no, you won't.)
< 1319696782 411563 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's OK.
< 1319696798 467364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not the latest-and-greatest. :(
< 1319696800 351581 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not supposed to use 7.w.
< 1319696807 94060 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor 7.2.
< 1319696810 931341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :7.w is the best.
< 1319696826 145494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ghc --version
< 1319696839 300350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Glorious Glasgow Haskell Compilation System, version 7.w "the best version"
< 1319696902 491033 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like 7.ω
< 1319696987 151083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, why don't we have a McCarthy topic yet?
< 1319697002 997471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :EPL evening school assignments! http://tinyurl.com/5stnu5n | It's the end of an era | RIP John McCarthy) | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1319697010 928152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, that's my bare minimum contribution to society.
< 1319697092 810157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: If I regret using this GHC you're getting the blame.
< 1319697174 465207 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I handle elliott's wrath?
< 1319697183 539030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1319697426 809058 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's wrath destroyed ð.
< 1319697439 852423 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't make him destroy d, too.
< 1319697464 818679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if Arch has a sufficiently large portion of Haskell that I can avoid "cabal install" entirely.
< 1319697471 394432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would significantly improve the quality of my life.
< 1319697512 187316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1319697540 813894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319698085 622160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph.
< 1319698097 465791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This library I'm binding to Haskell should be written in Haskell instead.
< 1319698145 167512 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rewrite it.
< 1319698148 621331 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know you want to.
< 1319698156 875573 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waves the NIH under elliott's nose.

< 1319698173 426448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: There is nooo way I am enthusiastic enough about this to rewrite it.
< 1319698188 758917 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :About what?
< 1319698225 447111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This. Are you even paying attention?
< 1319698389 194507 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just rewrite it, that thing sucks
< 1319698397 97780 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever it is
< 1319698476 718496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also waaay more code than I can be bothered to write.
< 1319698537 155164 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but it will be short and trivial in haskell! obviously.
< 1319698867 749611 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heart of the Oak mace, everybody.
< 1319698895 253805 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also, you're duplicating less for me, in Haskell.
< 1319698909 809053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What
< 1319698934 198149 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/less
< 1319698939 668183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1319698944 283651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = system "less"
< 1319698947 608097 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf@argon:~$ which less
< 1319698947 680424 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/less
< 1319698948 898462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes no arguments.
< 1319698951 940086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the beauty of it.
< 1319698958 88104 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever.
< 1319698976 936810 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, you're making one that lets you say "go to the end of the input that you *currently have*, but don't try to go beyond it".
< 1319699005 612925 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When less tries to go beyond it, it freezes in such a way that the only way to unfreeze is to wait for the input to end or ^C (which kills the process).
< 1319699101 367767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://www.opensource.org/licenses/Fair
< 1319699134 561206 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Looks nice.
< 1319699141 890364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait wait I've got it.
< 1319699142 173600 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still capitalized, though.
< 1319699149 724988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do whatever. DISCLAIMER: FUCK YOU
< 1319699167 63544 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg brilliant
< 1319699176 671182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The WTFPL lets you supply your own disclaimer. If that helps.
< 1319699177 820637 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The Nobel Prize in Mathematics for you!
< 1319699210 59577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, this library is Friends with me.
< 1319699223 577532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It lets you supply your own allocator, so I can give it one that allocates on the Haskell heap.
< 1319699236 669567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I wonder if that's altogether allowed.
< 1319699245 235750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so; it'll just look like bytes to Haskell.
< 1319699254 48075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, that's kind of what ForeignPtrs are.
< 1319699556 649245 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know of an object recognition algorithm that could be used to detect cars in video that's either implemented in opencv or could be implemented in opencv?
< 1319699558 91003 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1319699568 439726 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking like SIFT or SURF or something
< 1319699582 178781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're in luck!! I know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about that.
< 1319699586 134503 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/
< 1319699586 692899 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : |
< 1319699586 938531 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : >\
< 1319699666 601055 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like one of my previous subjects, where you don't have to come up with a revolutionary new object detection algorithm (cuz you only have like 3 weeks) just use one that exists
< 1319699781 191827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Allocator = Ptr () -> CSize -> Ptr () -> IO (Ptr ())
< 1319699782 835312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO BEAUTIFUL.
< 1319701108 377305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{-# NOINLINE allocator #-}
< 1319701108 521603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :allocator :: FunPtr Allocator
< 1319701108 610138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :allocator = unsafePerformIO $ mkAllocator allocate
< 1319701108 682637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  where allocate ptr 0 _ = free ptr
< 1319701108 682807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :        allocate ptr size _
< 1319701109 350194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :          | ptr == nullPtr = mallocBytes size
< 1319701111 386628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :          | otherwise = reallocBytes ptr size
< 1319701114 589913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yessssss.
< 1319701347 61033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319701781 110787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ais523.
< 1319701796 539976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott
< 1319701813 43682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that using a top-level FunPtr like that is probably Not The Way. It also occurs to me that shachaf has been selected to Know The Way.
< 1319701855 346734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I vaguely feel that what you just wrote is somewhat out of context
< 1319701860 885830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't otherwise look zzo38y
< 1319701890 382039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Context is:
< 1319701892 586318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : {-# NOINLINE allocator #-}
< 1319701892 787360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : allocator :: FunPtr Allocator
< 1319701892 859803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : allocator = unsafePerformIO $ mkAllocator allocate
< 1319701892 859972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :   where allocate ptr 0 _ = free ptr
< 1319701892 860080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :         allocate ptr size _
< 1319701893 165266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :           | ptr == nullPtr = mallocBytes size
< 1319701895 156104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :           | otherwise = reallocBytes ptr size
< 1319701897 142493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yessssss.
< 1319701993 55792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319702007 780129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319702013 923558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Context is:
< 1319702019 571196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a nice place for the connection to drop
< 1319702026 833595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  {-# NOINLINE allocator #-}
< 1319702027 5030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  allocator :: FunPtr Allocator
< 1319702027 77237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  allocator = unsafePerformIO $ mkAllocator allocate
< 1319702027 77446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    where allocate ptr 0 _ = free ptr
< 1319702027 77555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :          allocate ptr size _
< 1319702027 861435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :            | ptr == nullPtr = mallocBytes size
< 1319702029 402585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :            | otherwise = reallocBytes ptr size
< 1319702031 366794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Yessssss.
< 1319702080 172337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you trying to embed C into Haskell?
< 1319702116 339117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you always focus on the most mundane aspect of whatever ridiculous thing I am doing at any given time :P
< 1319702123 953832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You're... using an FFI????"
< 1319702144 904735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : How do you always focus on the most mundane aspect of whatever ridiculous thing I am doing at any given time :P <--- because it's the only bit I understand
< 1319702150 77802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1319702466 507544 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1319702849 845654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I could almost accuse you of doing the same with Anarchy
< 1319702863 504557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1319702872 459934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've barely said anything about Anarchy
< 1319702875 238639 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319703001 667557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1319703667 67669 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319703695 108597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc: error: a C finalizer called back into Haskell.
< 1319703695 269728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :   This was previously allowed, but is disallowed in GHC 6.10.2 and later.
< 1319703695 341931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :   To create finalizers that may call back into Haskell, use
< 1319703695 342087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :   Foreign.Concurrent.newForeignPtr instead of Foreign.newForeignPtr.
< 1319703695 342194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh jesus
< 1319703703 93344 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HellO!
< 1319703729 38766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"These finalizers necessarily run in a separate thread"
< 1319703731 768170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uggh this is going to be so slow
< 1319704223 367154 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have found an XKCD reference in Learn You A Haskell
< 1319704231 299684 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly the other way around
< 1319704250 729786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's lowercase.
< 1319704268 416983 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upper case looks like it has potential to be funnier
< 1319704287 840809 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, dozens of people have probably seen this reference before
< 1319704304 640065 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd.com/221/ and the first code example in http://learnyouahaskell.com/input-and-output#randomness
< 1319705051 421259 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hi, what are you doing there+
< 1319705054 194976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/+/?/
< 1319705061 73363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define there.
< 1319705074 949387 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, with the haskell<->C stuff
< 1319705086 189404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFI.
< 1319705090 139409 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1319705096 748548 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for what ultimate purpose?
< 1319705110 104999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A vote-counting IRC bot.
< 1319705114 239081 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319705119 479140 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why would that need FFI?
< 1319705140 433826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's lie and say it's for optimisation.
< 1319705151 106753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is the truth then?
< 1319705165 254574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that.
< 1319705181 308763 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay
< 1319705343 368830 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Synchronicitity; the slightly related Dilbert strip was published pretty close to ten years ago: http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2001-10-25/
< 1319705374 89310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was that thing always in colour?
< 1319705395 347585 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm
< 1319705492 973345 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely recall seeing it black-and-white, but maybe I'm remembering someone's printout on the wall.
< 1319705520 429018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I've seen it black-and-white in a black-and-white compilation book
< 1319705521 31583 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a collection that has that story arc but not that strip in black and white
< 1319705529 318916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are both black-and-white versions and coloured ones
< 1319705600 466256 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, my Piet implementation in Haskell is off to a good start
< 1319705655 782324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, why libraries gotta be not thread safe.
< 1319705692 937287 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is approximately now when  I had the idea of using head and (:) as the stack
< 1319705717 247734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't use head use pattern-matching
< 1319705758 829542 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try
< 1319705883 642080 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Numeric input:
< 1319705898 778168 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I'll think I'll test it first
< 1319706012 655571 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prepare yourself for some awful Haskell
< 1319706015 590800 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :inn input stack output = let (toPush, inLeft):_ = reads (dropWhile (not . isDigit) input) :: [(Integer, String)] in (inLeft, toPush:stack, output)
< 1319706056 340214 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just found a downside
< 1319706086 975140 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, fails when there isn't any numbers in the input string
< 1319707192 972412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
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< 1319713750 971792 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My three-cell brainfuck to Piet translator doesn't work
< 1319713801 940147 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :three-cell brainfuck?
< 1319713812 530958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is even the point of that
< 1319713823 576147 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oerjan proved it Turing-Complete
< 1319713836 897929 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, bignums?
< 1319713842 624230 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1319713847 641371 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1319713919 809179 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any esolang based on matrix operations?
< 1319713973 542569 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm searching turns up http://esolangs.org/wiki/Matrix
< 1319714025 878685 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, looks underspeced and probably useless
< 1319714430 933778 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MATLAB. (Yeah, yeah; not esolang, not based on matrix operations. But you could never tell from the name.)
< 1319714457 158567 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember a tool to translate Piet into some other language
< 1319714471 678331 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I saw this 2007-8
< 1319714477 115512 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't remember to well
< 1319714507 597464 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just remember some wiggly text
< 1319714517 840895 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snaking down the screen
< 1319714641 856077 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319714677 898041 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did something Piet-related, but I've already forgotten what it was.
< 1319714739 288470 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be an incomplete LLVM-driven Piet compiler.
< 1319714898 574610 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There also seems to be a script which translates a subset of befunge-93 (no stringmode, g/p, ?, #, 0-9, \, according to comments) into Piet.
< 1319714909 902365 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That may have beeb it
< 1319714912 530211 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*been
< 1319715006 100630 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timestamps on these are early 2010, but of course that might just be the timestamps.
< 1319715288 530966 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why you put a "File created: " comment in every interesting file
< 1319715394 753591 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, none of my files are especially interesting.
< 1319715425 405033 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't need to be especially interesting, just interesting
< 1319715497 661316 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my Brainfuck to Piet translator has an error I can't work out
< 1319715502 280405 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The error is "*** Exception: bf2piet.hs:7:18-100: Non-exhaustive patterns in lambda
< 1319715502 420845 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1319715526 139881 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\(Just x) -> x) Nothing
< 1319715526 932917 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  *Exception: :3:1-14: Non-exhaustive patterns in lambda
< 1319715538 278658 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Line 7 is "translation ']' = \(x,yh:yi,z) -> (x ++ "dup bnz." ++ (show yh) ++ "a\n" ++ (show yh) ++ "b:\n",yi,z)"
< 1319715562 778533 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\(x,yh:yi,z) -> "foo") (1,[],2)
< 1319715563 736962 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "*Exception: :3:1-21: Non-exhaustive patterns in lambda
< 1319715712 362199 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worked it out
< 1319715720 186607 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's going through the program backwards
< 1319715779 957660 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks!
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< 1319715783 440371 :CakeProphet!~eris@c-24-126-235-176.hsd1.ga.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host
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< 1319715856 588442 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet none of you had had that problem in a program before
< 1319716180 486704 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, what problem?
< 1319716197 411969 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having an error because the input is being parsed backwards
< 1319716218 973032 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, err you were parsing bf from the end of the string? What?
< 1319716226 611381 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow, yes
< 1319716236 469871 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, not intentionally, right
< 1319716245 532486 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll copy the full program somewhere
< 1319716292 483209 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't expect me to help debug it. Too tired atm.
< 1319716304 274327 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got it to work!
< 1319716315 388960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay
< 1319716327 991513 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/CMnvQoru
< 1319716440 178268 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't pretend it's the best of programs
< 1319716480 502940 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like a very simple translation done there. I wasn't aware bf mapped that easily into piet
< 1319716505 988655 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it doesn't generate an image anywhere, that can't work
< 1319716515 137797 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read the comment at the top
< 1319716530 410623 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And open the link at the end of the comment
< 1319716535 348263 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :was wider than my screen. 80 cols ftw
< 1319716552 545348 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot to linebreak that comment
< 1319716572 209813 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.toothycat.net/wiki/wiki.pl?MoonShadow/Piet
< 1319716651 35081 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1319716664 182335 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the most efficient way to do it, I'll admit
< 1319716706 248138 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I translate my code to Python, we'll have a Fractran -> Piet translator that goes through three different languages
< 1319716733 160843 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fractan being?
< 1319716756 358470 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Fractran
< 1319716777 872789 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially the same to iterated collatz functions
< 1319716823 464885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1319716825 114098 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am proud of line 14 of my program
< 1319716829 829741 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1319716866 726323 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :an interpreter in J?!
< 1319716884 981707 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where!?
< 1319716905 5084 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there
< 1319717260 508908 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Does that not need a "0 0 0" in front of the Piet-asm program to initialize the fake-tape?
< 1319717269 790105 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, so it does
< 1319717300 843243 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can fix that with 10 characters
< 1319717322 684345 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/u2BOIo9w
< 1319717343 208119 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait
< 1319717347 186298 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/7E5Fw9Pk
< 1319717348 257771 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I was assuming you'd have put it in the initial state of foldr to save the ++.
< 1319717360 981800 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be even better!
< 1319717396 939397 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/elKaoEa8
< 1319717561 606064 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also wouldn't   translation '>' (x,y,z) = (x ++ "...\n", y, z)   save a bit of typing when compared to   translation '>' = \(x, y, z) -> (...)?
< 1319717591 969709 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it would
< 1319717598 102438 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By a long way
< 1319717719 744579 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you could probably use it as the first parameter of your fold, and fold the bf_program directly, I'd think. At least with some slight changes.
< 1319717800 511065 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldl (flip translation) ("0 0 0\n", [], 0) bf_program   or something, maybe. Can't be bothered to think it through.
< 1319717892 427923 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to work
< 1319718034 812625 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/4kfGocPC
< 1319718235 485185 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1319718455 196572 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, where could I put this so it would be seen by people who vaguely care?
< 1319718639 677363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1319718789 921347 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that EsoInterpreters page, but strictly speaking it's only for interpreters. Possibly there could be a similar matrix for compilers from one language to another.
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< 1319720121 739157 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's not hard for those who're used to building data structures from scratch, which my students most definitely are not.
< 1319720159 102603 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what is the way to leave delayed messages on the channel?)
< 1319720166 567450 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The @tell thing
< 1319720172 22372 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell
< 1319720172 773151 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `tell' failed with: Prelude.head: empty list
< 1319720188 669245 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to get help with lambdabot
< 1319720212 447980 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help tell
< 1319720212 644889 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell  . When  shows activity, tell them .
< 1319720227 812647 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although elliott logreads
< 1319720239 779220 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd probably be safer to @tell
< 1319720246 60519 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Freenode MemoServ. (Is that thing still alive? Does anyone use that?)
< 1319720266 279094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's still alive, and is used on occasion
< 1319720285 488700 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-MemoServ- You have 0 memos (0 new)." :(
< 1319720317 933608 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also ask fungot to forward messages, but he's not exactly reliable.
< 1319720318 5951 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: only i don't sing it, bruno?" said bruno. " what, you know, is fnord in the week. and that's exactly our plan i can assure you!"
< 1319720357 632282 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, will you tell Ngevd if doing this works?
< 1319720358 717162 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: ' she's tired, poor thing!' cried the tiger-lily. ' as to poetry, you know!" bruno said, to do a ' bit' of shakespeare when there was nobody to look at all things with a sort of mist now, i daresay you haven't had much practice.'
< 1319721107 277184 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This I-triple-E spam is so... From: IEEE Spectrum Tech Alert , Subject: With the Arduino, Now Even Your Mom Can Program
< 1319721224 437013 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .
< 1319721915 495022 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ... wow.
< 1319721956 671704 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides isn't the Arduino AVR?
< 1319721977 227475 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means non-trivial C coding in my experience.
< 1319722090 997928 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an AVR chip on it, but the project also includes some sort of a tries-to-be-simple library, I believe.
< 1319722107 520660 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And an IDE.
< 1319722272 719519 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The toolchain's still C/C++-based, though.)
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< 1319723158 719820 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah...
< 1319723323 789970 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't think it makes *programming* any simpler; might make interfacing with things easier, though.
< 1319723396 95616 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The article itself is just on the history of Arduino. I don't know who picks (and titles) these snippets they send in this "tech alert" email.
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< 1319727886 485842 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
< 1319729081 263225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, how am I meant to mark this question when I don't really understand it myself
< 1319729251 472135 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew
< 1319729345 75732 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ouch
< 1319729360 699976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, discuss with whoever formulated it?
< 1319729389 152125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I just need to focus on it more
< 1319729397 885880 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
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< 1319731885 707682 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I get the output from a command line command into a file?
< 1319731918 908095 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :command > file
< 1319732045 241890 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soon, very soon
< 1319732054 887156 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ominous.
< 1319732056 129023 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will have sort of written a brainfuck interpreter in Piet!
< 1319732065 750527 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nyahahaha!
< 1319732102 550183 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean you'll have something like http://www.matthias-ernst.eu/pietbrainfuck.html ?
< 1319732164 31963 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXCEPT BETTER
< 1319732193 611710 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A brainfuck-to-Piet compiler written in Haskell is not a brainfuck interpreter in Piet, though. Assuming this is still about the same thing it was.
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< 1319732214 625669 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trust me on this.
< 1319732237 596024 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, no
< 1319732393 206892 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, no, you are English.
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< 1319734942 446335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disappointed that there's no updates on my second day of Arch.
< 1319734947 290346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should use the testing repo.
< 1319735015 212978 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Install more stuff
< 1319735036 982062 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, TRAITOR
< 1319735057 174858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Have you seen how old Debian's ghc is.
< 1319735076 317473 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I know it's really old, but...
< 1319735102 522214 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a whole day and no updates!? well, if you used debian it would take a decade or two to encounter an update
< 1319735107 70198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Don't say that, you'll make me want to write my "find the largest set of mutually-installable packages".
< 1319735110 571480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :program.
< 1319735130 561588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That + Debian repos = THEE COMPLEAT LINUX
< 1319735136 616778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: lol
< 1319735241 758903 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh and re. clyde, yaourt
< 1319735264 987983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yeaaaah, I don't think I'm ever going to use yaourt again
< 1319735271 292091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless they completely rewrote it
< 1319735281 474859 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a lot better than back when I switched away from it
< 1319735303 694512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll... consider it.
< 1319735306 579905 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. it isn't painfully slow
< 1319735316 212140 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that was pretty much my only issue with it
< 1319735316 998748 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pretty slow last I checked
< 1319735322 163542 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty really slow
< 1319735323 774357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When was that
< 1319735330 912742 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno  amonth or two
< 1319735332 820733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear they rewrote some of it in C or something
< 1319735338 603186 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if this is a bug: whenever I try to uninstall something that has dependencies on it, aptitude thinks uninstalling every package in the system is the best solution
< 1319735342 191509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, guess not then
< 1319735350 238563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no, that's correc
< 1319735351 423681 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if I just scroll past the whole list to the "foo: depends on something" and add those packages to the list of stuff to remove: presto, it works
< 1319735351 546358 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been fast for me since several months
< 1319735351 966331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1319735362 615227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yeah but you use a Cray
< 1319735368 119317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: What do you use for AUR, or do you just not
< 1319735371 966568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm considering just not)
< 1319735381 612491 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think any part of it is CPU-intensive :-P
< 1319735415 197536 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i try to avoid aur but my avoidance means i haven't had too much reason to bother switching away from yaourt
< 1319735423 879335 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've considered it, but ehhhhhhhhhh
< 1319735428 525560 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The frontpaging is really starting to show in r/AskScience.
< 1319735430 513547 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses something fancy to check for updates to AUR packages in bulk instead of doing individual HTTP gets, which is nice
< 1319735437 871185 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a /lot/ more ignorant answers to questions.
< 1319735438 711860 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :clyde was getting really slow with that
< 1319735443 588305 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaourt? is that a funny name for yoghurt?
< 1319735448 531471 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1319735458 51458 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the front-page questions are still good.
< 1319735460 721081 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It has a --sucre option
< 1319735463 314425 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, it's French, IIRC.
< 1319735474 881261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll install linux-ck
< 1319735479 646639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like a fun way to break my system
< 1319735484 732441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't broken enough right now
< 1319735496 367186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, there's even a repo
< 1319735497 939001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so lucky
< 1319735577 291521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's linux-ck?
< 1319735587 170740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: linux + con kolivas' patches including bfs
< 1319735628 838943 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see fs and think filesystem instead of fuckscheduler :(  help
< 1319735642 758429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make an fs /for/ the scheduler
< 1319735644 621834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit like procfs
< 1319735645 110230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brain filesystem
< 1319735657 368625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fuckscheduler sounds profitable
< 1319735662 189056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the brainfuck scheduler would be better if it were actually written in brainfuck
< 1319735681 853291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's not the brainfuck scheduler
< 1319735696 537145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "Please note: jokes as top-level comments, memes, and layman speculation will be downvoted and removed." heh
< 1319735731 973211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is completely ridiculous how much less of a hog Chromium is to Firefox.
< 1319735748 89164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's also ridiculous that Firefox somehow manages to be faster despite that
< 1319735760 69121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It would be, if that were true!
< 1319735762 193222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or has Firefox got slower since 3.6?
< 1319735772 82383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you define "faster"?
< 1319735774 409277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is Chromium just particularly slow on my computer?
< 1319735784 986635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would guess so; it's very fast here.
< 1319735791 703292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: time to open a webpage, when I happen to open it in both browsers
< 1319735806 756205 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, it's probably because Firefox is blocking JS, ads, and all those sorts of things that slow pages down
< 1319735812 962070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which gives it something of an unfair advantage
< 1319736415 931123 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :EPL evening school assignments! http://tinyurl.com/5stnu5n | It's the end of an era | RIP John McCarthy | TO SHREDS! | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1319736418 956426 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :EPL evening school assignments! http://tinyurl.com/5stnu5n | It's the end of an era | RIP John McCarthy | TO SHREDS! | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1319736431 476505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You missed the )
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< 1319736467 817525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Seems like pacaur, aurget, packer are decent non-yaourt options :P
< 1319736497 163129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it'll be annoying to have to update AUR separately
< 1319736504 713259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, I'll just wait until I actually need an AUR package
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< 1319736520 723602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you scared me for a second there
< 1319736567 491135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo
< 1319736711 69433 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ohhhh, it was a joke dur I didn't get it >_>
< 1319736719 745677 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not sure where to put it now :P
< 1319736725 145746 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :EPL evening school assignments! http://tinyurl.com/5stnu5n | It's the end of an era | RIP John McCarthy) | TO SHREDS!) | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1319737195 622530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maan
< 1319737204 186664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the most terrible job upon me
< 1319737214 690204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to convince people to let me write pthreads code
< 1319737229 720330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only do I have to write pthreads code, but I have to CONVINCE PEOPLE to LET ME.
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< 1319737646 432145 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I wasn't aware that pthreads was only permitted to be used by the privileged few.
< 1319737948 253272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : * \return HUBBUB_OK on success, appropriate error otherwise
< 1319737953 826193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is _not_ helpful >:(
< 1319738026 667886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL that Steve Jobs used to drive a car with no license plates
< 1319738035 942145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by changing it every 6 months to exploit a loophole in the law
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< 1319738071 60828 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hubbub ok
< 1319738198 460631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can you make all libraries thread-safe; thanks
< 1319738219 801349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the whole ICA/SCI stuff is indirectly about thread-safety
< 1319738274 419881 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why do you want to code pthreads?
< 1319738280 892885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I /don't/
< 1319738381 279399 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you *have* to? but people won't let you?
< 1319738386 204852 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't make sense
< 1319738627 340342 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hold a gun to your head and tell you to rob a bank.
< 1319738629 599955 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q.E.D.
< 1319738696 988454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: actually, if you really need to hold someone at gunpoint, you should do so from a distance, maybe about eight feet away
< 1319738714 972159 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a hypothetical, ais.
< 1319738715 624326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the gun is adjacent, then it's possible to push it away in less than pretty much everyone's reaction time
< 1319738762 821032 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais "holding people at gunpoint master" 523
< 1319738792 859731 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He took a hint from Wolfram to get that proof.
< 1319738824 72883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ?
< 1319738833 45008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, about holding people at gunpoint?
< 1319738835 408800 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1319738837 553402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out it doesn't work very well over the phone
< 1319738847 901352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not internationally, at least
< 1319738851 720353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pointing a gun at all of you right now.
< 1319738854 32760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't tried national or local calls
< 1319738855 222704 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, you held someone at gunpoint and forced them to prove it.
< 1319738864 481536 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much as Wolfram does.
< 1319738872 124867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I suspect you're a little out of range
< 1319738891 562242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, the shot's probably even blocked by the curvature of the earth
< 1319738896 377434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm not sure how far off the ground you are
< 1319738903 7476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason I kind-of assumed you lived in a bungalow
< 1319738933 875768 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's because construction techniques in the North aren't sophisticated enough to permit multiple storeys.
< 1319738943 369554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can confirm this.
< 1319738943 697958 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They try basements sometimes, but it never ends well.
< 1319739033 583923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't believe people actually use Risc OS.
< 1319739081 269825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've used it! seriously
< 1319739095 110612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, me too, briefly.
< 1319739097 720070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the computers at my primary school mostly ran either Risc OS or the BASIC interpreter on the BBC Micro
< 1319739104 997935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same, when I was super-young.
< 1319739106 704173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no: I mean like /actually use/.
< 1319739106 867103 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me too, quite a bit
< 1319739112 769479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like /actually/ /use/.
< 1319739118 754224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, people use it to do their online banking.
< 1319739123 344459 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My neighbour (who is like eighty) used it until a few years ago.
< 1319739133 442190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse to do online banking, and I'd imagine every TDWTF reader does too
< 1319739140 760056 :iamcal!u1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kzcubxefhaiqmbdn QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319739176 949355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I should quote "Of all the things the problem that wasn't his was, being not his problem wasn't one of them.", because people have been quoting it a lot recently but I don't think it's been quoted in #esoteric yet
< 1319739177 708351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It was an example (picked because I have evidence for it).
< 1319739244 363851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[["You fool!" He swiveled towards Bob. "You don't understand at all. That job is a piece of PostScript code. The print server isn't running my numbers. The PRINTER is! It's far more powerful than you can imagine!"]]
< 1319739247 498084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not regret skimming this
< 1319739288 362929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you know, if GPUs are being used for intense computation, printers have to be next
< 1319739298 941677 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am become Printer, destroyer of worlds.
< 1319739305 115399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll get super-parallel general-purpose dot matrix computers, or something
< 1319739313 254906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've met people who've done computations on printers seriously
< 1319739339 134529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the printer was as powerful as the workstation, and it could compute the results faster than they could be transmitted to the printer over its relatively slow interface
< 1319739601 813340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, anagolf does have PostScript
< 1319739604 744809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just went and checked
< 1319739610 334060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you didn't know that?
< 1319739613 759571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yshl or whoever does a ton of stuff with it
< 1319739624 684523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I knew it had several languages beginning with P
< 1319739630 611702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't remember if PostScript specifically was one of them
< 1319739642 145071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whether I was muddling it with PHP
< 1319739694 489333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, I need AUR already
< 1319739793 546379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, packer looks like it might be nicer than yaourt
< 1319739812 475976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :powaur too
< 1319739947 456950 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1319739993 628251 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy, risc os uses . to delimit directories and / for file extensions
< 1319740021 820116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like if you deliberately tried to be as different as possible
< 1319740034 58719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOS should have adopted - as a dir separator when it chose / for paths
< 1319740039 789699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls /l -usr-bin
< 1319740046 55555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1319740048 158514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for options
< 1319740067 68981 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr, some of the really old mainframe systems also used . as a directory separator
< 1319740119 4979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really happy gmane shows those country flags
< 1319740125 425221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i'm learning that every risc os user is british
< 1319740126 640538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :without fail
< 1319740152 869451 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think / for options was established well before DOS even had directories, and that that was the reason they had to invent the backslashes
< 1319740155 180217 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: / comes from CP/M
< 1319740158 684721 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319740163 616809 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Right
< 1319740170 520469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah yeah, CP/M is just DOS--++
< 1319740458 942990 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319740563 387947 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319740791 576128 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319740978 713263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think DOS – and Windows' impl of it – can still run CP/M programs unmodified
< 1319740982 618279 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319740985 94535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if the syscall numbers are different
< 1319740990 151096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but everything else is designed for compatibility
< 1319741107 606460 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319741485 617738 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried a bit ARMA 2. I'm quite impressed by that game. For those who don't know it is a highly realistic military sim. Think COD or Battlefield but ultra-realism added.
< 1319741497 332088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :very difficult though
< 1319741556 320058 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Red Orchestra is closer to "COD or Battlefield but ultra-realism added", Operation Flashpoint and ARMA are more large-scale
< 1319741598 204131 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm good point. I tried Battlefield 2 once at a friends place. So my experience with those games is limited to video + about half an hour of hands on experience.
< 1319741606 445673 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1319741635 234273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does anyone even write thread-unsafe code; answer: it's a fucking pain in C
< 1319741642 656896 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe Battlefield is more like it, I was thinking CoD/MoH
< 1319741644 421098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Resolution: Everyone should write in Haskell instead; that would also save me writing bindings
< 1319741654 89757 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, MoH?
< 1319741657 466842 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Medal of Honor
< 1319741666 939146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote honor
< 1319741669 769698 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1319741676 7166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1319741677 120886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What.
< 1319741678 603702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote honour
< 1319741681 110329 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :28)  ehird: There is no h in "honour"
< 1319741733 137509 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARMA 2 looks quite good. And I can turn up the graphics setting to get 30 FPS with vsync on, so somewhere between 30 and 60 FPS without vsync.
< 1319741853 711223 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is ARMA 2: Reinforcement, which is both an add-on and a standalone. I have no idea if the original ARMA 2 looks as good.
< 1319741906 870994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I have to complain about the helicopter flying though. I find it highly unrealistic after flying helis in flightsims.
< 1319741946 553517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they didn't seem to differentiate between IAS, TAS and GS.
< 1319741948 304482 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure the flight simulators are accurate compared to helicopter simulators? ;-)
< 1319741990 955329 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well, I know enough to say they are closer than ARMA 2. Basically, if it was realistic I wouldn't be able to fly a helicopter with my keyboard.
< 1319742024 620751 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no neutral position of the controls in a heli. They all interact with each other and the flight conditions too much for that
< 1319742042 950210 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1319742202 753336 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319742302 725653 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319742523 278779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Targets (2): gconf-3.2.2-1  licenses-2.9-1
< 1319742523 390802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG UPDATES
< 1319742524 149803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO HAPPY
< 1319742611 962302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky hubbub]$ alsamixer
< 1319742612 128835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
< 1319742613 748123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what.
< 1319742629 51780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`/etc/rc.d/alsa start` has been done.
< 1319742631 52150 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /etc/rc.d/alsa: No such file or directory \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /etc/rc.d/alsa: cannot execute: No such file or directory
< 1319742878 825030 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.eastoftheweb.com/short-stories/UBooks/DeatScra.shtml
< 1319742881 352664 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahahahahahaha
< 1319742907 198074 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a guy in my school who copied this story -verbatim- and submitted it to a short story competition.
< 1319742912 43939 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The teacher loved him from it.
< 1319742917 560711 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*for it
< 1319742993 468201 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *think* he submitted it to an exam, too.
< 1319743031 985076 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... guess nobody actually cares.
< 1319743040 799946 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really
< 1319743060 593687 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's a really annoying objectivist, does that make it interesting?
< 1319743075 681471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1319743192 129531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                if (parser->tb != NULL) {
< 1319743192 260369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :146	                        /* Client is defining their own token handler,
< 1319743192 333039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :147	                         * so we must destroy the default treebuilder */
< 1319743192 333203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :148	                        hubbub_treebuilder_destroy(parser->tb);
< 1319743192 333312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :149	                        parser->tb = NULL;
< 1319743192 786592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :150	                }
< 1319743194 426504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh come on.
< 1319743254 964053 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm?
< 1319743313 87506 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hubub.,.,..
< 1319743324 620958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: The interface is SLIGHTLY
< 1319743325 641189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LSES
< 1319743326 786957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORTHOGONAL
< 1319743328 322090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAN I'D LIKE
< 1319743332 62608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/LSES/LESS/
< 1319743338 402190 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hubbabubba is a brand of chewing gum
< 1319743375 442474 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just rewrite everything, it'll be awesome
< 1319743384 718522 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eliotbub
< 1319743397 166332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: noooooooooooo
< 1319743405 230131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also how do you even know that, that's a UK thing.
< 1319743422 392511 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a uk thing?
< 1319743433 893755 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know everything, that's how
< 1319743438 845875 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hubba Bubba is a brand of bubble gum originally produced by Wm. Wrigley Jr. Company, a subsidiary of Mars, Incorporated,[1] in the United States in 1979 but more recently produced in countries around the world.
< 1319743441 89022 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a subset of everything, anyway
< 1319743444 523285 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it wa sa usa thing....
< 1319743494 450187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh
< 1319743499 820885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well everything is a UK thing
< 1319743502 552997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it isn't in the UK
< 1319743544 580172 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about Mars Bars?
< 1319743804 636731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh nooo, I can't figure out which interface to expose.
< 1319743844 224470 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of them
< 1319743872 790399 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott exposes all!
< 1319743877 707909 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's one for the tabloids
< 1319743902 120112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That'll be such duplication though :-(
< 1319743936 509786 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably easier to deal with
< 1319743949 826078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Eh?
< 1319743959 590575 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For users
< 1319743994 145118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, probably only one of these interfaces is ACTUALLY useful, and the other one can be implemented in the exact same way the other one is
< 1319744001 217579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. Trivial use of the lower-level functions
< 1319744008 936472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, an unsafePerformIO to turn IO [a] into [a] too)
< 1319744020 225046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But you're encouraged to use unsafePerformIO if you're making your own interface on top of this :P)
< 1319744024 73514 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it needs an unsafePerformIO it's something you want hidden :-P
< 1319744028 336789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I wonder if I could use ST to avoid the unsafeness anyway.
< 1319744031 559164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What?
< 1319744046 675294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The low-level interface is in IO. On top of that, pure interfaces are built with unsafePerformIO.
< 1319744058 82364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm deciding how much to expose purely, since a lot of it will be useless :P
< 1319744089 989461 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just doesn't sound like good practice to tell users "oh, if you want to do that, just unsafePerformIO this"
< 1319744119 400816 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319744123 10565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: If they want this interface, chances are incredibly high they're building their own interface
< 1319744126 808371 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319744154 121302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: In this case, the pure interface would be parseTreeEvents :: Lazy.ByteString -> [TreeEvent] or similar
< 1319744154 644138 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incredibly high chances isn't 100% :-P
< 1319744162 523471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: But that's basically unusable without actually processing it sequentially
< 1319744163 642765 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I dunno, whatever you think works
< 1319744164 950644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it involvse things like
< 1319744167 946360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :        hubbub_tree_has_children has_children;          /**< Has children? */
< 1319744172 867038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :        hubbub_tree_encoding_change encoding_change;    /**< Change encoding */
< 1319744190 955298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it makes no real sense as a list (unlike the main pure interface, which produces a list of tokens), only as a bunch of events :P
< 1319744205 558622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case you should just use the IO interface and mutable variables and shit and then unsafePerformIO it to get your wonderful pure tree.
< 1319744210 676489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that's what you'll have to do anyway.
< 1319744733 473343 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :God I hate the sound of my own voice
< 1319744832 980512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insert oblig. "you're not the only one".
< 1319744851 89784 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so bloody English
< 1319744873 391183 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sound like I'm about to start rhyming scone with phone all the time
< 1319744880 9905 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIE
< 1319744924 624050 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:29:47:  Hey, why don't we have a McCarthy topic yet?
< 1319744924 696549 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:30:10:  There, that's my bare minimum contribution to society.
< 1319744939 843348 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I DETECT A LACK OF TOPIC CHANGE IN THE LOGS
< 1319745146 922277 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319745160 813820 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 QUIT :Changing host
< 1319745160 922517 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319745170 397408 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that christmas gatekeeper again
< 1319745530 691389 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : inn input stack output = let (toPush, inLeft):_ = reads (dropWhile (not . isDigit) input) :: [(Integer, String)] in (inLeft, toPush:stack, output)
< 1319745540 377019 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for patterns that may fail, use case, not let
< 1319745560 596511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.* fail, //
< 1319745578 358793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/let/where/ -- now it's actually useful advice
< 1319745613 434232 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, don't listen to elliott when he's in the "everything that isn't the way i do things suck" mood
< 1319745635 695127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: let is a code smell
< 1319745658 838535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're that deeply nested that where doesn't work, you have bigger problems :P
< 1319745682 649473 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, your advice doesn't apply in do blocks.
< 1319745685 810271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :true.
< 1319745689 979841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't use let...in, then :p
< 1319745759 645304 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let is more local than where, for short/simple things I prefer it
< 1319745787 480864 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: also if all that dropWhile is just for skipping whitespace, then reads does that automatically.
< 1319745813 208577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: If it's "more local" in any appreciable way, you have too much nesting in the first place
< 1319745822 471224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying let...in should never be used ever, but it's certainly a symptom
< 1319745834 321834 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it's for finding the next number
< 1319745841 246514 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let xs = foo in bar xs where bar xs = ...
< 1319745848 197784 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There may be any range of symbols
< 1319745857 945463 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1319745892 710931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Uh
< 1319745895 842749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bar foo where bar xs = ...
< 1319745938 682340 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to leave that now, and when I'm decent at Haskell (about the time when @ will come out, at current rates), I'll find it and think "WTF was I thinking?"
< 1319745939 361314 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now assume I want to name foo because it's an expression
< 1319745945 432620 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't just a name
< 1319745952 657861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: bar $ foo
< 1319745961 350573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: you're going to get good at Haskell just as it becomes obsolete?
< 1319745967 945170 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That doesn't name foo
< 1319745970 489274 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably
< 1319745976 488991 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the best of plans
< 1319746003 583645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It probably shouldn't have a name, but if you must: bar xss where xss = foo; bar xs = ...
< 1319746018 37839 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319746020 566840 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why shouldn't it have a name
< 1319746038 170072 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't want to do that because then bar and possibly baz and qux see xss
< 1319746052 560706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if it does, it's probably too complex; and that doesn't matter, if they're big enough they should be at the top level anyway
< 1319746075 149385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, you can come up with a contrived situation where this is bad advice /and/ the code is fine :P
< 1319746159 792349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foreign import ccall "hubbub/parser.h hubbub_parser_setopt"
< 1319746159 993911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  c_parser_setopt :: Ptr ParserStruct -> CInt -> Ptr () -> IO CInt
< 1319746160 66045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This will be painful
< 1319746228 260028 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For me it's also a bit of a style thing because I prefer having "where" on its own line, so with let..in I can sometimes save a line :-P
< 1319746278 921190 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"let x = f y\n in foo x (g x) (h x)" instead of "foo x (g x) (h x)\nwhere\nx = f y"
< 1319746291 709426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use
< 1319746291 781632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1319746291 781710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo = bar
< 1319746291 781755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  where quux = abc
< 1319746291 781799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :        zuul = def
< 1319746292 722969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1319746294 705440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but have been occasionally tempted by
< 1319746296 682580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1319746298 693391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo = bar where
< 1319746300 704027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  quux = abc
< 1319746302 629759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  zuul = def
< 1319746304 602923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1319746306 719213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1319746308 720139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1319746310 775904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo = bar
< 1319746312 708683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  where
< 1319746314 550462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    quux = abc
< 1319746316 949020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    zuul = def
< 1319746318 152855 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@unaffiliated/zuu PART :#esoteric
< 1319746318 891966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure the first is the best though
< 1319746320 784042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets slightly annoying with long do blocks, but those probably shouldn't be in a where anyway
< 1319746322 717802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the alignment is nice
< 1319746327 30533 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use the last
< 1319746349 159140 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :My "where" stuff tends to be long enough that the additional indentation of the first would be a pain
< 1319746363 961694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I've established well the suckitude of your Haskell code :P
< 1319746365 741921 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Likewise the second lengthens the foo = bar line
< 1319746400 921182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second line is kinda gross because the "where" looks like part of the expression.
< 1319746413 731102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This doesn't annoy me with "do" but I think that's because do is actually a bona-fide expression :P
< 1319746421 492047 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : The frontpaging is really starting to show in r/AskScience.
< 1319746431 8403 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you mean r/askreddit
< 1319746436 805702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leaving this here in case I feel the urge to go back to this implementation: http://sprunge.us/IZRK
< 1319746437 742276 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC you've only complained about that parser :-P
< 1319746438 489867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think not
< 1319746447 196039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What parser
< 1319746462 20656 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.183.148 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319746464 354659 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember which part of it, but the C one
< 1319746480 4818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Err, what's the context
< 1319746483 469036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue what you're talking about
< 1319746486 274121 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :DS9K C
< 1319746491 151598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1319746494 979793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I also complained about list-tries
< 1319746503 518783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And your use of 904534895749534857-parameter functions
< 1319746529 69388 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The parameter count thing was in mushspace, I think
< 1319746545 388131 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And list-tries was mostly about the size of the Map class, which I just couldn't figure out how to avoid :-P
< 1319746548 597721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, there was a Haskell thing too
< 1319746590 956731 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly the lack of separate types for function parameters
< 1319746604 361255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle a -> (Ptr a -> IO b) -> IO b
< 1319746604 772344 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign.Marshal.Utils with :: Storable a => a -> (Ptr a -> IO b) -> IO b
< 1319746604 844502 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign.ForeignPtr withForeignPtr :: ForeignPtr a -> (Ptr a -> IO b) -> IO b
< 1319746604 924805 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign.Marshal.Alloc allocaBytes :: Int -> (Ptr a -> IO b) -> IO b
< 1319746610 374334 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh huh, is this something new about how things reach the front page?  i stopped reading the reddit frontpage a while ago...
< 1319746611 514659 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hey
< 1319746615 158375 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :genericUnionWithKey :: (Alt st a, Boolable (st a), Trie trie st map k)
< 1319746615 341700 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :                    => (st a -> trie map k a -> trie map k a)
< 1319746615 414526 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :                    -> ((a -> a -> a) -> st a -> st a -> st a)
< 1319746615 414716 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :                    -> ([k] -> a -> a -> a)
< 1319746615 414823 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :                    -> trie map k a
< 1319746617 829172 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :                    -> trie map k a
< 1319746620 355370 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :                    -> trie map k a
< 1319746622 901314 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is minimal
< 1319746631 801960 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boolable o.O
< 1319746640 702514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: They just changed the default set
< 1319746642 904943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "Boolable"
< 1319746645 37379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: This is not acceptable
< 1319746653 75690 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a hack
< 1319746658 194298 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trie is a typeclass? o.O
< 1319746660 461723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: No, stop talking
< 1319746663 944905 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1319746666 313845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1319746667 242300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fix that
< 1319746667 736134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now
< 1319746672 185855 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1319746677 941885 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be going to sleep shortly
< 1319746679 293809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please
< 1319746683 215481 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't know of a good way of fixing this
< 1319746705 457972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Meh, I'll just send you ten patches that rewrites half of the library sometime
< 1319746711 222274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is my duty
< 1319746715 709284 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's fine
< 1319746718 745200 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :((a -> a -> a) -> st a -> st a -> st a) looks like liftA2
< 1319746722 200265 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind if you can get rid of the hacks :-P
< 1319746726 290931 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :is st Applicative?
< 1319746738 784144 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Apply
< 1319746753 467233 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's either Maybe or Identity so... yes?
< 1319746765 771850 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it is
< 1319746767 944537 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :then just add an Applicative constraint and get rid of that parameter :)
< 1319746776 397600 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not liftA2
< 1319746779 782120 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1319746780 933710 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the default set has always been changing, but now it seems there are more than 10 subreddits in it...
< 1319746788 196715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: See reddit blog :p
< 1319746791 896881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: /r/reddit.com got shut down too.
< 1319746822 35802 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: It's either a strict or non-strict combiner function
< 1319746834 271234 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do on Maybe and Identity?
< 1319746841 794527 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :for Identity I can see it doing one of three things
< 1319746843 428577 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for the Maybe case
< 1319746850 608871 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for Maybe, really
< 1319746858 299408 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It either selects the Just one if one is Nothing
< 1319746868 423522 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or it's liftA2
< 1319746872 991271 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or it's a strict version of liftA2
< 1319746876 426389 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just $! f a b)
< 1319746893 779532 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Identity it's a hack
< 1319746901 109382 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.183.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How come the report.txt here is empty? http://codu.org/eso/fyb/  Has something broken?
< 1319746907 723916 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, don't ask about the Identity :-P
< 1319746908 856326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :setOption :: CInt -> (a -> (Ptr () -> IO CInt) -> IO CInt) -> Parser -> IO ()
< 1319746909 675587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lovely
< 1319746920 100512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'm asking about the Identity
< 1319746928 899153 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unionVals  _ (Id a) (Id b) = Id$ a || b
< 1319746929 421221 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unionVals' = error "Data.ListTrie.Base.Classes.unionVals' :: internal error"
< 1319746934 209346 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's either of those two
< 1319746938 518800 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it shouldn't be the latter
< 1319746941 335239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm
< 1319746943 928426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :setOption :: CInt -> (a -> (Ptr () -> IO CInt) -> IO CInt) -> Parser -> a -> IO ()
< 1319746945 377472 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :what other constructor would you get?
< 1319746957 864916 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Two different functions
< 1319746960 490536 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notice the '
< 1319746965 259814 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319746970 437480 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo "I am totally broken"
< 1319746973 327397 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also when you do the rewrite can you do the Lazy/Strict split that everybody is doing nowadays kthx
< 1319746976 78336 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you making, out of curiosity? :)
< 1319746989 482411 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: This is from list-tries (Data.ListTrie), it's been made :-P
< 1319746991 116749 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: EgoBot is very, very ill and Gregor doesn't care
< 1319746996 284010 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1319747013 136640 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION listens to EgoBot's heart monitor slowly fade away.

< 1319747021 997309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: No, no, I'll make it a type family parameterised on strictness.
< 1319747023 526344 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: This hackiness is so that I can have maps that store (Maybe a) and sets that store (Identity Bool) use the same code
< 1319747027 736667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Maybe ConstraintKinds? Definitely type naturals.
< 1319747035 527691 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's just the public API do whatever you want internally
< 1319747040 884186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is a joke because you should not be allowed to use any language extensions.)
< 1319747060 183639 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes, anything that doesn't require extra extensions
< 1319747162 188178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle (Enum a, Integral b) => a -> b
< 1319747162 692330 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude ceiling :: (RealFrac a, Integral b) => a -> b
< 1319747162 824435 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude floor :: (RealFrac a, Integral b) => a -> b
< 1319747162 897012 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude round :: (RealFrac a, Integral b) => a -> b
< 1319747165 455493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah
< 1319747255 696102 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty fromIntegral . fromEnum
< 1319747256 514062 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b a. (Num b, Enum a) => a -> b
< 1319747265 361200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes
< 1319747505 377161 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.183.148 PART :#esoteric
< 1319747527 699471 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fromIntegral . fromEnum $ 123456789012345678901234567890 :: Integer
< 1319747529 18714 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  -4362896299872285998
< 1319747537 618743 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles innocently

< 1319747621 266023 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fromEnum $ 123456789012345678901234567890
< 1319747622 140306 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  -4362896299872285998
< 1319747833 611819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :setOption :: CInt -> (a -> (Ptr b -> IO CInt) -> IO CInt) -> Parser -> a -> IO ()
< 1319747836 485677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Behold my type
< 1319747891 337301 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is Parser
< 1319747973 768733 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319747989 790766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: A type
< 1319747996 16131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Parser = Parser (ForeignPtr ParserStruct)
< 1319748046 605251 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sidles away carefully

< 1319748155 791739 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1319748894 393144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle poke
< 1319748896 188545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign.Storable poke :: Storable a => Ptr a -> a -> IO ()
< 1319748896 332007 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign.Marshal.Array pokeArray :: Storable a => Ptr a -> [a] -> IO ()
< 1319748896 404603 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign.Marshal.Array pokeArray0 :: Storable a => a -> Ptr a -> [a] -> IO ()
< 1319748897 755885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle pokeElem
< 1319748898 158868 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign.Storable pokeElemOff :: Storable a => Ptr a -> Int -> a -> IO ()
< 1319749519 293407 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : istr, some of the really old mainframe systems also used . as a directory separator
< 1319749543 365507 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall vms may have done, in a weird way
< 1319749554 100018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey oerjan, figure out the zipper of this type.
< 1319749564 818075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches oerjan scream and run away.

< 1319749580 121033 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like logicalVolume:[dir1.dir2.dir3]filename.ext;version where i may recall parts wrong
< 1319749639 327790 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there was a way to define new logical volumes in some kind of dictionary
< 1319749670 997698 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: which type?  all you mentioned so far as IO, which i don't know how to zipperize
< 1319749676 538852 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*has
< 1319749707 490561 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vms wasn't really mainframe, btw
< 1319749718 870290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, that isn't it :P
< 1319749739 249243 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what type then
< 1319749799 644828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE WORLD MUST NEVER KNOW
< 1319749806 23075 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh
< 1319749878 790127 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to zipperize something you've never seen
< 1319749886 727350 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm sure oerjan can do it
< 1319749897 95899 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think IBM mainframes historically had files.
< 1319749922 204105 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Punchcard readers and card punchers, sure.
< 1319749933 492582 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C7F0.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319750036 477088 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :my VM/370 machine has disks with files on them
< 1319750095 348046 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, I swear I understood centripetal force before I tried to answer this question in r/AskScience.
< 1319750201 322304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :centripetal force is the force that must act in order to keep something's momentum moving in a circle; the centrifugal effect is what happens if a centripetal force is not present or not strong enough (and manifests as the object appearing to move in the other direction)
< 1319750266 344236 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, nononono.
< 1319750279 563394 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Centripetal and centrifugal force don't exist in the same reference frame.
< 1319750293 342245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"centrifugal force" doesn't exist; it's an effect caused by the /lack/ of a force
< 1319750312 864677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and right, the centrifugal effect only looks like a force if you look at it from a rotating reference frame
< 1319750320 296689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it just looks like the lack of a force, which is what it actually is
< 1319750330 195910 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, I see what you mean.
< 1319750431 268980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excuse me, my parents come from a rotating reference frame.
< 1319750452 764047 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinky.
< 1319750578 349427 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give up, my brain isn't working any more or something.
< 1319750739 12778 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-171-118.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319750787 100086 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/lrcws/what_would_happen_if_everyone_simultaneously/
< 1319750791 931080 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actual best question.
< 1319750797 306034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We would all die.
< 1319750810 139191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't look at the question, and rather take the cut-off version
< 1319750814 903787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be rather like accidentallying, I guess
< 1319750818 972066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but more synchronized and deliberate
< 1319751049 929581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t left
< 1319751050 747506 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (a :: * -> * -> *) b c d. (ArrowChoice a) => a b c -> a (Either b d) (Either c d)
< 1319751094 360099 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would create a sewage singularity
< 1319751113 959414 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the whole world turns to crap. simultaneously.
< 1319751146 286908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's a bizarre type for something with such a short name
< 1319751360 767136 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319751480 938866 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319751516 761614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1319751542 548286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319751569 806224 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help, Look Around You has made me elide everything.
< 1319751857 697306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319752054 499201 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319752318 744911 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the shell archive if the SQL reporting program for use with SQLite, another program to make it work with CGI, and an example file (actually, it is a program of actual use, which I have been asked to write, with the HTML template showing what should be done, I made the similar one here)
< 1319752319 345857 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You have 4 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1319752321 666235 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my clever idea for making a brainfuck interpreter in Piet wasn't so clever after all
< 1319752323 299103 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/IAAe
< 1319752340 594109 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 5604 by 1131 pixels
< 1319752344 983382 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :110.6 KB
< 1319752349 263647 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And only probably works
< 1319752404 551557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl maybe x fromCtx (goUp x)
< 1319752405 498096 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe x fromCtx (goUp x)
< 1319752408 620493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl \x -> maybe x fromCtx (goUp x)
< 1319752409 235833 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap (flip maybe fromCtx) goUp
< 1319752448 27925 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1319752458 114337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Targets (7): sg3_utils-1.30-1  parted-3.0-3  libatasmart-0.17-1  lsof-4.85-1
< 1319752458 240917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :             eject-2.1.5-7  udisks-1.0.4-1  xfce4-power-manager-1.0.10-2
< 1319752458 313165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MUCH BLOAT.
< 1319752485 874522 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC does support universal quantifiers for types.
< 1319752569 485000 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/lrc3q/would_you_fight_a_bear_for_1000000/
< 1319752570 909747 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I...
< 1319752650 427333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No because the bear would kill me and I wouldn't get to spend my money"
< 1319752653 681543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nailed it in one.
< 1319752699 780459 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you got the money before and you could fight the bear after buying kit (the answer is yes).
< 1319752740 692562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl liftA2 (&&) -- give me a nicer way to write this dammit
< 1319752741 424700 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftA2 (&&)
< 1319752742 629325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1319752749 44789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> mconcat [(>4), (<10)] 5
< 1319752750 181584 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (Data.Monoid.Monoid GHC.Bool.Bool)
< 1319752750 537207 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use of...
< 1319752756 134237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
< 1319752761 887056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ala And foldMap [(>4), (<10)] 5
< 1319752763 135197 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: data constructor `And'Not in scope: `foldMap'
< 1319752776 914696 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : but I'm sure oerjan can do it <-- BUT OF COURSE
< 1319752780 825761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ala All foldMap [(>4), (<10)] 5
< 1319752782 54007 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot, what!!
< 1319752782 126263 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `foldMap'
< 1319752787 679247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ala All F.foldMap [(>4), (<10)] 5
< 1319752788 889047 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `F.foldMap'
< 1319752790 615063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ala All Foldable.foldMap [(>4), (<10)] 5
< 1319752791 794475 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `Foldable.foldMap'
< 1319752792 769403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ala All Data.Foldable.foldMap [(>4), (<10)] 5
< 1319752793 914237 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  The section `GHC.Classes.> 4' takes one argument,
< 1319752794 176527 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : but its type `GHC.Bool.B...
< 1319752803 82951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HATE YOU SO MUCH
< 1319752817 987811 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes; some of those things I also wanted infix ways of  liftA2 (&&)  and liftA2 (++)  such thing as that.
< 1319752903 66574 :CakeProphet!~eris@h178.53.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319752903 139015 :CakeProphet!~eris@h178.53.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host
< 1319752903 139187 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319752997 135798 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl fromCtx x = maybe x fromCtx (goUp x)
< 1319752997 229254 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fromCtx = fix ((`ap` goUp) . flip maybe)
< 1319753020 879808 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP McCarthy
< 1319753025 536602 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I think I pronounce your name horrendously wrong
< 1319753026 53979 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pronounce it "O'er jam" but with an n instead of an m
< 1319753049 846711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ~yohan
< 1319753055 423091 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : GHC does support universal quantifiers for types. <-- yes but i don't think they can be used for doing general predicate logic proofs, or _can_ they?
< 1319753069 472133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i pronounce it like that too though
< 1319753102 759321 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjam
< 1319753164 901872 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Engage Overjam
< 1319753205 297651 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's ~yohan <-- oh come on you pronounced it better than that in the sound file you sent
< 1319753216 852280 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is the norwegian version of George
< 1319753229 317147 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :George? Why that's my middle name!
< 1319753230 409437 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_one_ of the norwegian versions
< 1319753257 380782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: halfway between yohan and j\"orgen :P
< 1319753258 727917 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, *one* of them ... there are like a gadjillion versions of george
< 1319753265 941943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aka yerrgan)
< 1319753283 679972 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall this old baby name book with evolutionary (?) trees for several names, the georgios tree was one of them
< 1319753301 599474 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :örjan, jörgen, göran, georg
< 1319753309 620788 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nicolaos, johannes, cecilia were others
< 1319753343 786545 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually when i think about it i'm not quite sure if georgios was a tree
< 1319753364 725220 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yrjö" in Finnish. (Also the Finnish word for 'vomit', incidentally.)
< 1319753365 116501 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuri is apparently also a george (not swedish, but russian/slavic/eastern-european)
< 1319753367 852954 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may not be that much bigger than what olsner said
< 1319753400 417390 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the tree would mostly include names used in norway, naturally
< 1319753461 206395 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naturally: why would anyone care about things outside Norway, really?
< 1319753473 168026 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I often wonder the same thing
< 1319753493 357758 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a norwegian baby name book?  no reason.
< 1319753535 888828 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so sure about that, I think foreign names are generally quite popular
< 1319753555 654460 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't mean those names are in the book though
< 1319753565 454882 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adam - the most foreign of names
< 1319753565 527276 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It amazes me how Jan can be the same name as Sean and Theo
< 1319753567 530792 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Forget Norway", like the song (http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/kenya/) goes.
< 1319753637 397937 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: halfway between yohan and j\"orgen :P <-- yohan would be in the johannes/jochanan tree, except mostly we would spell it johan, although the spelling yohan was used in a recent norwegian period film
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< 1319753724 463271 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: this book was from a time when norwegian name laws were stricter than today, a _really_ foreign sounding name may not always be acceptable.
< 1319753771 159938 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although english loans like jimmy, ronny (curiously frequently in nick name form) were popular at the time
< 1319753906 151696 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : It amazes me how Jan can be the same name as Sean and Theo <-- wait, same as Theo?
< 1319753919 812984 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same etymology, different language
< 1319753946 811048 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm skeptical, since jan is in that johannes group
< 1319753983 409916 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess it may have occured in several ways, like the norwegian "line"
< 1319753998 348768 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"line"?
< 1319753999 3782 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Johannes, John, Sean, Ian, Jan, Yan, etc come from I think Hebrew originally
< 1319754004 57683 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theo is Greek
< 1319754012 540754 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: yes, yochanan
< 1319754026 337274 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a name derived from line, or was that referring to they johannes line?
< 1319754052 489833 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no i mean line is a short form of several other names, like caroline
< 1319754091 611946 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1319754099 121300 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Line, that's like our Lina then
< 1319754104 207661 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1319754130 705486 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read it lajn not lineh
< 1319754163 877343 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unsure if those pronounciation guides help much though :P)
< 1319754200 330504 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i don't think there is much in that name to confuse a swede
< 1319754227 407292 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian and line are two english words
< 1319754248 202543 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently
< 1319754257 230472 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
< 1319754296 781920 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how (the norwegian word for) wrong is pronounced like fail in norwegian
< 1319754441 979085 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh that MrX crackpot/troll is _still_ going on in the godel's lost letter comments
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< 1319754581 144422 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep

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< 1319754588 9523 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good idea
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< 1319754601 610808 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no!  sleep is for the weak!
< 1319754637 892808 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :slep is for wek
< 1319754643 275073 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION slep

< 1319754762 823882 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wgat about slepe
< 1319754788 52827 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the weke
< 1319754794 722641 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :too slep, perching two dram
< 1319754795 578209 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weka
< 1319754846 504968 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes, if you look at it that way I suppose.
< 1319754998 894802 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there was a type in Haskell for only bijective functions, would it be possible to prove non-equality?
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< 1319755156 656977 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall once trying to think about a type system for bijective functions, it seemed like a tricky thing to achieve
< 1319755174 935493 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh?
< 1319755175 646011 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for reversible computing)
< 1319755189 249351 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, it would seem to be so. But there are reversible programming languages and I was thinking to do it in a similar way to reversible programming
< 1319755237 736114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well they're a category
< 1319755249 75174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think an Applicative too
< 1319755286 868682 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.iai.uni-bonn.de/~jv/popl09-2.pdf
< 1319755288 293891 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see that?
< 1319755303 161005 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :other stuff of his also explores it: http://www.iai.uni-bonn.de/~jv/
< 1319755333 21334 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it would be a category, I think.
< 1319755377 189665 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :theyr'e an applicative?
< 1319755400 481832 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how would it be Applicative?
< 1319755409 151604 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tricky thing iirc was how you sometimes needed to know that a piece of the data is not changed by a function _even if it is composed from functions which do_
< 1319755474 13507 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a trick of reversible computation called a cascade
< 1319755505 235971 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you compute something reversibly, copy the result, and uncompute the original
< 1319755529 265697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yeah, I guess I was trying to say there's always other choices besides fighting a bear for money."
< 1319755620 29509 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: that's about lenses, not reversible computing, isn't it
< 1319755763 850980 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: maybe you're right, but there was some paper with a similar title that was about it
< 1319755768 723109 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read it a while ago
< 1319755769 687773 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1319755771 441355 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
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< 1319756253 456504 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might be able to restrict that to make a function having the bijective type, if you compose, the functions you are composing must also have bijective types
< 1319756305 132053 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i'm just not sure if anyone knows how to do it without full dependent typing
< 1319756703 265443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know of some really thin layer on top of Win32/pthreads that just offers mutexes?
< 1319756707 360974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all I need, a single portable mutex :P
< 1319756751 503903 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Then how do you do it with full dependent typing? I don't know a lot about dependent typing
< 1319756788 532447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that constitutes a full logic
< 1319756799 529134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can just have a->b, b->a, and the proposition that f.g = g.f = id
< 1319756802 373751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bundled together
< 1319756810 159496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's the burden of the definer to prove that
< 1319756819 111034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc you can prove it generically, e.g. you can define a composition operator that requires no proof
< 1319756835 859157 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1319756999 749519 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing I would want to see in Haskell is the ability to define classes with no parameters. This would be an alternative way to call functions in modules which do not yet exist, possibly.
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< 1319757711 913425 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm guessing you've already googled "windows pthread mutex" and the first result that talks about mutexes isn't what you're wanting?
< 1319757754 364801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you done that yourself
< 1319757764 650081 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have.
< 1319757767 536621 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Pthread mutex is an object that can be created, initialized, locked, unlocked or destroyed.  A mutex is represented by a variable of type pthread_mutex_t.   It is just like any other data variable except that it must be initialized specially, either with the PTHREAD_MUTEX_INITIALIZER macro or the pthread_mutex_init() function.
< 1319757769 979469 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are you supposed to make a proposition that (f.g = g.f = id) when you added dependent types?
< 1319757845 19283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: curry-howard
< 1319757866 55476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(forall x, f (g x) = x) /\ (forall x, g (f x) = x)
< 1319757869 350378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1319757873 604745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(forall x, f (g x) = x, forall x, g (f x) = x)
< 1319757876 799457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1319757892 947468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :((x::a) -> f (g x) = x, ...blah blah blah if you want to be more haskell-looking...)
< 1319758068 643559 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants to be more haskell-looking. :(

< 1319758102 864239 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow pthreads in Windows look horrible.
< 1319758258 313288 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't seem to be a type as far as I can see
< 1319758285 458683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it isn't a haskell type, because haskell isn't dependently-typed
< 1319758288 458480 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this thing: http://locklessinc.com/articles/pthreads_on_windows/
< 1319758330 164506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inductive bij A B := bij : forall (f : A -> B) (g : B -> A), (forall x, f (g x) = x) -> (forall x, g (f x) = x) -> bij A B.
< 1319758339 38750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be real, actual Coq code
< 1319758343 243167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I messed it up :)
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< 1319759365 482841 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src many
< 1319759365 777595 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. You speak an infinite deal of nothing
< 1319759372 872446 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah
< 1319759386 526306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@info Alternative
< 1319759387 278268 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternative
< 1319759390 340064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Alternative
< 1319759391 96323 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Applicative f => Alternative f where
< 1319759391 302687 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    empty :: f a
< 1319759391 462312 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    (<|>) :: f a -> f a -> f a
< 1319759396 783005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmmm
< 1319759709 671857 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing the name Merlin is already taken for a programming language.
< 1319759890 204661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: monqy: aurget, pacaur, packer; pick at random, you are both psychic.
< 1319759921 62535 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but im bad at choices
< 1319759932 538090 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will psychically choose the worst
< 1319760065 966149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :choose
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< 1319760276 73188 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aurget or pacaur? packer's linked webpage isn't as tidy as either of theirs so im disqualify it
< 1319760308 538826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, https://github.com/bruenig/packer?
< 1319760388 990366 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah; it is slightly less tidy
< 1319760402 501500 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I think it is???
< 1319760405 445349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I don't like pacaur much because it has its own non-pacman syntax
< 1319760411 787307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it supports the pacman ones too
< 1319760419 82951 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know enough to make actually educated guesses ;_;
< 1319760430 28449 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any other way to represent equality of numbers in the type system?
< 1319760433 871295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aurget is tempting especially since it avoids wrapping pacman operations
< 1319760451 188228 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah that's nice
< 1319760460 772147 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of using bijective function but there is no such type that can only be bijective function.
< 1319760503 106093 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :equality of what numbers
< 1319760677 343596 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did you get these numbers? what is their home
< 1319760679 595007 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example,  (Maybe (Maybe Zero), Maybe (Maybe (Maybe Zero)))  meaning 2 times 3 make 6 so you can have a bijective function between that and the  Maybe (Maybe (Maybe (Maybe (Maybe (Maybe Zero)))))  for six
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< 1319760907 241297 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wjat?
< 1319761023 144655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: aurget seems good
< 1319761042 781531 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll get aurget next time i need to aur i guess
< 1319761069 903884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i'm glad the aur packages for haskell stuff are good... they build profiling and docmentation
< 1319761072 91721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, dynamic too but w/e
< 1319761110 478349 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't gotten much aur haskell stuff...afraid of conflicts with cabal stuff...nightmares...
< 1319761129 968481 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't gotten much/i forget if i've gotten any
< 1319761145 247073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: oh i am literally just using only aur
< 1319761150 182851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not cabal-install
< 1319761150 805376 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319761158 370499 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens when you need something that's not on aur
< 1319761165 791745 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :manual instl?
< 1319761185 937118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?K=arch-haskell&SeB=m
< 1319761189 713853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's 1815 packages
< 1319761195 753583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything that's not on there is probably not worth using
< 1319761198 177115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else I can just package it myself
< 1319761199 868957 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :h,mm
< 1319761201 354824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's an automated tool
< 1319761208 176802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to turn cabal -> pkgbuild
< 1319761269 629442 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'll try that next time i start oveR??
< 1319761585 193846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yeah, I'm practically sure all these are generated
< 1319761587 211970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they have things like
< 1319761591 305856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# custom variables
< 1319761591 437487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :_hkgname=cpphs
< 1319761591 509775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :_licensefile=LICENCE-LGPL
< 1319761596 563520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all their build/package functions look the same
< 1319761627 562246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yep: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=17471
< 1319761629 439691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cabal2arch
< 1319761643 337498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1319761658 124779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this could keep me with arch indefinitely, if it's a reliable way to avoid cabal-install being a pile of crap
< 1319761918 544480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I still need cabal to handle actually building my stuff though
< 1319761921 946890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's much less painful
< 1319761928 663279 :evincar!~jon@acd41302879.wireless.rit.edu QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1319762006 8876 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would your D&D character do in case of the following:
< 1319762013 275760 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* You find some money that you think is money but everyone else thinks is just all hallucination.
< 1319762018 969704 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no dnd character
< 1319762021 52813 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* You find some money that you think is just hallucination but everyone else thinks is real money.
< 1319762035 184055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote game where
< 1319762037 637426 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :50)  If I ever made a game where you jabbed bears ...  I'd call it jabbear. \ 582)  game where you flip a coin but it's really really big
< 1319762037 863955 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* The king is going bald!
< 1319762045 489182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :second one to be precise
< 1319762065 475620 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Your deity has been destroyed.
< 1319762073 326057 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Along the road, you encounter a kobold that looks injured - he's unconcious, bleeding slowly from an arrow wound.
< 1319762082 810538 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Someone offers a party member a job you are clearly unqualified for.
< 1319762091 925924 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* You find a magic scroll with strange effects that matches nothing you have ever seen before. (Using any Identify spell and such doesn't help)
< 1319762101 923493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: should i use String or Text or mix both help
< 1319762119 448722 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you doing and whats text ;_;
< 1319762134 135360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what Text is..........
< 1319762154 564247 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of
< 1319762177 271242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/text.........
< 1319762193 791414 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that thing
< 1319762211 983577 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know every trade off
< 1319762219 791967 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never used it so i can;t judge preteynes either
< 1319762295 3380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't really want to just use String
< 1319762298 909143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mixing String and Text is ugly BUT
< 1319762303 283694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means you can avoid OverloadedStrings
< 1319762315 949566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tag names and the like become Strings but actual body text becomes Text
< 1319762323 308107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'll want to pattern-match over the former much more than the latter
< 1319762350 743871 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how ugly is mixing? maybe the best chocie?
< 1319762432 987033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that ugly, but it just Feels a bit Wrong
< 1319762438 55281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since I get the data from the C lib in UTF-8
< 1319762446 22678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I need a UTF-8 -> String decoder as well as UTF-8 -> Text
< 1319762449 530115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might even mean another dependency
< 1319762535 291364 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gross
< 1319762626 420488 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sh why isn't there a hobbit pun in iwc today
< 1319762647 591320 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well it _is_ (prolonged) guest week, but still...)
< 1319762886 397813 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t many
< 1319762887 147946 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) a. (Alternative f) => f a -> f [a]
< 1319763073 535909 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is monad transformer that makes a new monad from a monad, but what is it called when it makes a monad from a comonad instead?
< 1319763088 624440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21 of 21] Compiling Language.Haskell.Exts ( src/Language/Haskell/Exts.hs, dist/build/Language/Haskell/Exts.dyn_o )
< 1319763088 795617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BFD: reopening dist/build/libHShaskell-src-exts-1.11.1.a(Exts__22.o): No such file or directory
< 1319763088 868389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1319763091 752891 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A comonad cotransformer
< 1319763093 384497 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"weird"
< 1319763103 113306 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't comonad transformers go comonad->comonad????
< 1319763113 847025 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am I thinking of something else
< 1319763121 479644 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: presumably
< 1319763123 871761 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I missed the co
< 1319763126 869111 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in cotransformer
< 1319763127 158620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is getting painful
< 1319763130 613001 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah cotransformer makes sense
< 1319763132 909780 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guessssssss
< 1319763148 184803 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking cotransformer too then looked and wow it was there
< 1319763157 851286 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :crys in not reading things properly shame
< 1319763416 121048 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are some examples of comonad cotransformers?
< 1319763443 842938 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-195-87.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319763468 970388 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1319763600 389869 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319763901 83789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1319763903 105178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> id <|> id
< 1319763904 403664 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show (a -> a)
< 1319763904 818640 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use of `...
< 1319763915 403656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (fromLeft <|> fromRight)
< 1319763916 622571 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `fromLeft'
< 1319763916 988839 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `fromRight'
< 1319763922 871506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait no
< 1319763923 218128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1319763934 733424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ((?f :: a -> Maybe b) <|> (?g :: a -> Maybe b))
< 1319763936 48558 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Could not deduce (?f::a -> Maybe b) from the context ()
< 1319763936 238797 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :      arising from a use of implicit parameter `?f'
< 1319763936 310953 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   at :1:2-3
< 1319763939 569325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1319763939 641717 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (id <|> undefined) 2
< 1319763940 418876 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (Control.Applicative.Alternative ((->) a))
< 1319763940 591296 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from ...
< 1319763946 868277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ((undefined :: a -> Maybe b) <|> (undefined :: a -> Maybe b))
< 1319763948 267565 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (Alternative ((->) a)) => a -> Maybe b
< 1319763954 851766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn, there's no instance
< 1319763955 666877 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic
< 1319763959 172128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was thinking goNext = goRight <|> goUp
< 1319763972 306653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1319763973 344776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually
< 1319763980 212828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :goNext = goRight <|> (goUp >>= goNext)
< 1319763989 82366 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (Just <|> undefined) 2
< 1319763989 706876 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (Control.Applicative.Alternative ((->) a))
< 1319763989 891643 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from ...
< 1319763990 188590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :goNext x = goRight x <|> (goUp x >>= goNext)
< 1319763990 835203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad
< 1319764050 384877 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (id <|> id)
< 1319764051 257862 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Alternative ((->) a)) => a -> a
< 1319764081 396961 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're forgetting some goDown there
< 1319764091 830536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1319764097 850106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the correct implementation?
< 1319764120 100849 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well depends whether you want to do the parent node first or last
< 1319764146 95986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: first, I would think; although last would be good to have too; but doesn't last result in an infinite loop?
< 1319764160 661834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you transform a child into something that causes the parent node to match ... hmm, no
< 1319764165 321305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess both would be nice
< 1319764179 174149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: parent node first sounds like it needs less satck
< 1319764184 211463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/satck/stack/
< 1319764350 807246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 2 of 21] Compiling Language.Haskell.Exts.Annotated.Syntax ( src/Language/Haskell/Exts/Annotated/Syntax.hs, dist/build/Language/Haskell/Exts/Annotated/Syntax.dyn_o )
< 1319764352 100727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so sloooow
< 1319764358 99677 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :goDown x <|> goRight x <|> (goUp >>= goNext)
< 1319764431 342951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what is goDown?
< 1319764433 511693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go down to first child?
< 1319764438 311204 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1319764480 982568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty
< 1319764484 953377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the other way around?
< 1319764583 154709 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(goRight x >>= goBottom) <|> goUp x
< 1319764594 171950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#let alignment t = "%lu", (unsigned long)offsetof(struct {char x__; t (y__); }, y__)
< 1319764597 508145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, does that _work_?
< 1319764601 890481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :any language lawyers? :P
< 1319764607 855797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: goBottom?
< 1319764625 654347 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :goBottom x = (goDown x >>= goBottom) <|> pure x
< 1319764643 410923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1319764663 566684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are nice. feels like we've cracked it
< 1319764669 394348 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that recursion is what i wanted many for, btw, but it doesn't fit
< 1319764720 69735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1319764732 5078 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1319764767 879949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :re: many
< 1319764917 693468 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a kind of muntil
< 1319764933 612511 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle muntil
< 1319764933 859689 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found
< 1319764937 799861 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle untilM
< 1319764937 998002 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found
< 1319764955 341079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/monad-loops/0.3.0.2/doc/html/Control-Monad-Loops.html
< 1319764961 179388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :untilM :: Monad m => m a -> m Bool -> m [a]Source
< 1319764961 314944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Execute an action repeatedly until the condition expression returns True. The condition is evaluated after the loop body. Collects results into a list. Parameters are arranged for infix usage. eg. do {...} untilM_ ...
< 1319764975 850109 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1319764980 574343 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite it, either
< 1319764986 549099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well there's whileM
< 1319764995 885107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whileM :: Monad m => m Bool -> m a -> m [a]Source
< 1319764996 19671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Execute an action repeatedly as long as the given boolean expression returns True. The condition is evaluated before the loop body. Collects the results into a list.
< 1319765003 252974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and whileM' does it for any MonadPlus
< 1319765007 977818 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we _don't_ want a list :P
< 1319765030 732647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus whileM'
< 1319765031 195250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dependencies	base (<4) or
< 1319765031 353285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :base (≥4)
< 1319765035 509459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good dependencies
< 1319765098 3975 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: we need something with (a -> m a) argument
< 1319765165 380187 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of the untilM's and iterateUntil seem to think it's enought to just do an action.
< 1319765183 324983 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which _technically_ is correct since you can use a StateT wrapping
< 1319765187 171638 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think
< 1319765201 729787 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*enough
< 1319765292 279658 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t many . StateT
< 1319765293 154774 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a s (m :: * -> *). (Functor m, MonadPlus m) => (s -> m (a, s)) -> StateT s m [a]
< 1319765319 153150 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well many also collects, hmph
< 1319765338 920211 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t many_
< 1319765339 751298 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `many_'
< 1319765343 55193 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1319765682 478992 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this norwegian non-profit organization SOS Rasisme was apparently taken over by communists, who inflated their membership numbers by something like 900% to receive 9.5 million NOK in state support.
< 1319765867 303103 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?act=url&hl=no&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.no&sl=no&tl=en&u=http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/10/27/nyheter/innenriks/sos_rasisme/medlemsjuks/lnu/18790279/&usg=ALkJrhjuxo3KtieUzuxMTVuJAptIb0NPfw
< 1319765882 457265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i thought you meant in the past.
< 1319765896 473051 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, last 10 years :P
< 1319765919 837928 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's definitely in the past _now_
< 1319767071 374923 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-250.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319767074 59840 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-195-87.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1319767140 310971 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319768189 994553 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of any comonad cotransformers or monad cotransformers? Is there anything else even more strangely?
< 1319768357 493590 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1319768791 273976 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://comonad.com/reader/2011/monads-from-comonads/ seems relevant
< 1319768902 38937 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes I saw that too.
< 1319768921 735728 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a whole series of posts
< 1319769094 118228 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319769378 150283 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One idea for bijective function syntax would be like:   bijection { (x, y) -> (y, x); }   similar to case but with various restrictions.
< 1319769631 546400 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
< 1319770098 238314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I bet you know ALL ABOUT offsetof.
< 1319770212 113894 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vladimir offsetof, famous russian book printer
< 1319770679 35634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t replicateM
< 1319770680 414833 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a. (Monad m) => Int -> m a -> m [a]
< 1319770696 420242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t peekElemOff
< 1319770697 784883 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `peekElemOff'
< 1319770699 933591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle peekElemOff
< 1319770700 704272 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign.Storable peekElemOff :: Storable a => Ptr a -> Int -> IO a
< 1319770772 100465 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boris peekelemoff, notorious st. petersburg voyeurist
< 1319770893 717128 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1319770929 786280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1319771285 192838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate ffis
< 1319771324 574245 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :foreign functions coming here and stealing our jobs
< 1319771594 246943 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-250.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1319771896 972875 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-250.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1319772362 394036 :DCliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319772575 159048 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1319773262 308725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan what happens if i work on something else to distract me from code problems but it's broken too????
< 1319773592 437005 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bugs all the way down
< 1319773909 495253 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I was thinking about making number theory with Haskell type system, I think that (Not x) is like the C (!x) for natural numbers x, like (x -> Zero) or $0^x$ is that correct?
< 1319774972 8232 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mozilla and Bing are pleased to make available Firefox with Bing, a customized version of Firefox that sets Bing as the default search engine in the search box and AwesomeBar and makes Bing.com the default home page."
< 1319775003 572306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instant download
< 1319775031 575874 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell is awfully chilly today.
< 1319775050 421133 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does Mozilla have to do anything about that? Bing could do it by themself, isn't it?
< 1319775064 753047 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Most definitely.
< 1319775177 256906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: because this way microsoft give money to mozilla
< 1319775234 48121 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1319775884 7150 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319776872 146294 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much do you know about Local Sidereal Time?
< 1319777230 835778 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much; there is no time but UTC.
< 1319777490 845513 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is other time specifications, though.
< 1319777501 644638 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Few of them worthwhile.
< 1319777536 439895 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to depend what you do, such as solar time or whatever
< 1319777634 298526 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DESTROY THE DAY STAR
< 1319777634 973327 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1319777642 920051 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :UT1, the Unreal Tournament time.
< 1319777693 265207 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319779234 304479 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :IAmTheOnePercent
< 1319779279 959879 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Astrolog supports equatorial mode but its implementation does not work with all charts that Astrolog can make; and as far as I know there is no "Local Sidereal Time" object that can be plotted in equatorial mode. The documentation suggests using sidereal zodiac and hours/minutes display of angles, but tropical/sidereal mode appears to be ignored in equatorial mode
< 1319779348 65930 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This will display planetary positions relative to the Earth's equator instead of the ecliptic i.e. Earth's orbit. This is the way more commonly used in astronomy, and results in real right ascension notation, especially when combined with the -s sidereal zodiac and -sh hours and minutes display format. This switch makes the declination values in the standard -v listing also relative to the
< 1319779376 957602 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :equator, instead of the ecliptic latitude displayed by default, where "Declination" will be printed at the head of the column instead of "Latitude". (Without this the only way to get such information is from the zenith latitudes in the -L astro-graph chart which show the same thing.) Note that this setting isn't fully integrated with allof Astrolog's charts; specifically it will distort the values in the
< 1319779390 590133 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Z local horizon, -S orbit, and -L astro-graph charts which assume ecliptic positions, and hence -sr shouldn't be combined with these options."
< 1319779433 210284 :IAmTheOnePercent!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin
< 1319779545 3024 :DCliche_!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319779774 388615 :DCliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1319780409 892609 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the documentation seems to be wrong; selecting sidereal zodiac does not affect equatorial mode.
< 1319780695 358466 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://perldoc.perl.org/perlmod.html#BEGIN%2c-UNITCHECK%2c-CHECK%2c-INIT-and-END
< 1319780704 354838 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Awkawkawkawkawkawk section of Perl.
< 1319780957 878895 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-118.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319781137 194060 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-250.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1319781296 346189 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it seems the 10th Cusp object might plot the local sidereal time
< 1319781329 99840 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is, in equatorial mode)
< 1319781337 390767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why are you using Astrolog, anyway?
< 1319781575 617498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: /nick elliott, i wanna try something
< 1319781580 320819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :qqqq
< 1319781631 17437 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should make my own program instead so that I can include whatever improvements and licensed under GNU GPL (in fact, the Swiss Ephemeris requires it; Astrolog does not use Swiss Ephemeris and is licensed for non-commercial use only); there are some features of Astrolog which I wish to purposely omit (such as interpretation mode), althhough a separate program could use its output to produce something similar.
< 1319781703 110213 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1319781915 273815 :qqqq!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK someone else take my nick.
< 1319781923 217692 :qqqq!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy you do it.
< 1319782152 933233 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1319782160 327960 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you going to kill me ;_;
< 1319782235 953662 :elliott!~nobody@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319782249 82367 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you can try something.
< 1319782264 280287 :elliott!~nobody@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com NICK :Guest58077
< 1319782299 942827 :Guest58077!~nobody@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319782324 942251 :qqqq!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319782326 553219 :qqqq!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot
< 1319782327 562383 :qqqq!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1319782332 619312 :qqqq!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i apologise zzo38
< 1319782337 211655 :qqqq!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did not see it :(
< 1319782429 3704 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't you try it on another connection from your computer?
< 1319782456 885614 :qqqq!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right that would work
< 1319782513 100468 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.243.37 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319782515 672934 :qqqq!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1319782527 610037 :qqqq!~elliott@95.149.243.37 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319782527 610173 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.243.37 QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1319782534 255627 :qqqq!~elliott@95.149.243.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* elliott :Nickname is already in use.
< 1319782535 174299 :qqqq!~elliott@95.149.243.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* nicksev :No such nick/channel
< 1319782537 220208 :qqqq!~elliott@95.149.243.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-NickServ- elliott has been ghosted.
< 1319782539 321005 :qqqq!~elliott@95.149.243.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough :P
< 1319782583 801265 :qqqq!~elliott@95.149.243.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i guess xchat has no way to wait a bit
< 1319783129 482013 :qqqq!~elliott@95.149.243.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle try
< 1319783136 462133 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Exception try :: Exception e => IO a -> IO (Either e a)
< 1319783136 683362 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.OldException try :: IO a -> IO (Either Exception a)
< 1319783136 755718 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Exception.Base try :: Exception e => IO a -> IO (Either e a)
< 1319783174 930656 :qqqq!~elliott@95.149.243.37 NICK :elliott
< 1319783177 420620 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.243.37 QUIT :Changing host
< 1319783177 492750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319783211 65811 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Leeds?
< 1319783224 412086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leeds is a place, yes.
< 1319783250 152952 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A place you're in?
< 1319783297 179853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. (Is this going to be followed by another placename until I say yes?)
< 1319783344 613842 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319783345 227018 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Maybe.
< 1319783350 896799 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Langtoft?
< 1319783395 478131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually live in a little cardboard box underneath Sealand.
< 1319783406 222356 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1319783428 807556 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened to  I am in fact already in California. ?
< 1319783439 200138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are all, in some sense, already in California.
< 1319783449 208348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I have no idea why I said that. Nor do I remember saying it.
< 1319783468 99280 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: We were talking about how great the cheese in the US was, or something.
< 1319783472 157954 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by great I mean terrible.
< 1319783477 439158 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by cheese I mean something I don't remember.
< 1319783515 558558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: nttpf
< 1319783518 630776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you did
< 1319783565 13606 :DCliche_!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: You are now graced with my absence.
< 1319784136 741336 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: FunPtrs are aptly named.
< 1319784141 858211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1319784147 25712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/s/s./
< 1319784157 555306 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely you mean s/$/./
< 1319784171 763683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1319784176 213181 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, get ready for a lot of fun.
< 1319784219 223035 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/(.)(.)(.)/\2\3\1/g
< 1319784241 83180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do _you_ know whether exceptions are meant to work from Haskell code called by C via a FunPtr?
< 1319784266 318455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, hanging for like ten seconds, spiking in CPU or RAM use (not sure which) and then getting killed by the OS is quite a dramatic result.
< 1319784331 235858 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, that sounds exciting.
< 1319784369 307552 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of excitement, it's 02:45 and I should go to sleep.
< 1319784369 867433 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :All you want to do is to have some FunPtr.
< 1319784428 761688 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, I don't know.)
< 1319784486 684513 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Sealand follow the UK timezone/DST rules?
< 1319784500 417872 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1319784594 188371 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering how hard would it be the convince Finland to invert our timezone from UTC+2 (+3 in the summer) to UTC-10; I mean, then we could *really* be the "land of the midnight sun".
< 1319784801 14265 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :regardless of timezone you'll still be screwed when the polar night starts
< 1319784915 557921 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but it'd still improve our midnight-sun-% by a whole lot.
< 1319784952 594820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle Either SomeException a -> IO a
< 1319784952 965464 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Typeable typeOf2 :: Typeable2 t => t a b -> TypeRep
< 1319784953 156774 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude either :: (a -> c) -> (b -> c) -> Either a b -> c
< 1319784953 228792 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Either either :: (a -> c) -> (b -> c) -> Either a b -> c
< 1319785066 44671 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, except, isn't "midnight" really when the sun is on the other side of the earth, rather than some time stamp?
< 1319785367 291543 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: if you're a pedantic asshole, sure
< 1319785432 790068 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319785440 489968 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to communicate with anyone else in the world, who subscribes to this standardized system of time so that communication and commerce isn't a complete nightmare, then no.
< 1319785469 731336 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would I want to communicate with anyone else?
< 1319785784 548240 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also this bridge has got a hump in it: http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/15358461.jpg
< 1319785793 927139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this is a _very_ difficult problem due to laziness :)
< 1319785879 241695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand
< 1319785886 412435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get why it's even happening if laziness
< 1319785962 763814 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1319786086 969797 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish df were open source.
< 1319786109 904364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it half is
< 1319786113 3608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1319786117 320281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :source-available
< 1319786128 17939 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeha not the half I want.
< 1319786347 144517 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lifehacker.com/5854053/how-to-stop-caring-about-trolls-and-get-on-with-your-life
< 1319786350 422657 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :,,,,
< 1319786350 704400 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :;;;;
< 1319786366 182164 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst troll ever.
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< 1319786896 186614 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill
< 1319786917 642587 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, maybe the Indiana General Assembly collectively are the worst trolls.
< 1319787013 613208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesss, one IORef and a bunch of code later, it works
< 1319787082 158371 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't IORefs like communing with demons or something?
< 1319787094 727326 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the angry demons of mutability or... something.
< 1319787399 201616 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they are more like angry demons of mutability put in little cages for safer handling
< 1319787476 650078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/YVVQ
< 1319787479 274555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this code is quite messy.
< 1319787601 10218 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good hubbubLocks
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< 1319787700 437764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1319787768 242304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott
< 1319787782 287465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just woken up, or not yet gone to sleep?
< 1319787817 497087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure myself
< 1319787821 601874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think it's the latter
< 1319787938 288934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle Bool -> m a -> Maybe a
< 1319787938 679225 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Exception assert :: Bool -> a -> a
< 1319787938 848032 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.OldException assert :: Bool -> a -> a
< 1319787938 920100 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Exception.Base assert :: Bool -> a -> a
< 1319787941 226446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle Bool -> m a -> m (Maybe a)
< 1319787941 487397 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Generics.Aliases orElse :: Maybe a -> Maybe a -> Maybe a
< 1319787941 632086 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad unless :: Monad m => Bool -> m () -> m ()
< 1319787941 704377 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad when :: Monad m => Bool -> m () -> m ()
< 1319788112 110451 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl \b mx -> if b then return Nothing else liftM Just mx
< 1319788112 399164 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(. fmap Just) . flip if' (return Nothing)
< 1319788520 261129 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Bool -> a -> Maybe a
< 1319788521 83025 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Exception assert :: Bool -> a -> a
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< 1319788563 451077 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl \b x -> guard b >> Just x
< 1319788563 789329 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(. Just) . (>>) . guard
< 1319788693 822054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Can one forcibly take ownership of an AUR package from someone else; I want to update the C-INTERCAL package without having to talk to Vorpal
< 1319788721 163872 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you ask some kind of adminy person, probably
< 1319788729 156682 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise he needs to disown it
< 1319788733 14806 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I understand correctly
< 1319788787 315649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, I guess I can tolerate momentary hostile contact :D
< 1319788824 515769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy fuck, someone who isn't Vorpal uploaded a cfunge package
< 1319788834 334144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then 3 people voted for it??
< 1319788849 679259 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may've voted for it
< 1319788862 45337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said three, not one :P
< 1319788862 279119 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's outdated by now though
< 1319788874 121164 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, he probably did and if I did that makes two
< 1319788879 787468 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he = submitter)
< 1319788884 34954 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(uploader)
< 1319788885 216482 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whatevre)
< 1319788886 792907 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(er)
< 1319788886 965649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Vorpal did too then
< 1319788888 138767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiine
< 1319788889 635018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers making a package for CCBI, realises it's D, gives up on idea immediately.

< 1319788903 251140 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could make ccbi-bin
< 1319788915 664637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a wise man once said: Gross
< 1319788924 146548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, ldc is orphaned and out of date
< 1319788931 163248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the D compiler of the year
< 1319788933 39086 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could depend on ldc-bin and company, it should build without too much trouble
< 1319788938 437821 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno
< 1319788943 40843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeholdMyGlory: Hey, stop maintaining ldc-hg, it's weird seeing names from here elsewhere
< 1319788944 849672 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how alive D1 is in general
< 1319788952 133180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought CCBI2 was D2.
< 1319788956 191632 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not
< 1319788978 600401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will it start being D2 when mushspace comes out? :p
< 1319788979 603834 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might make it D2 what with GDC going into GCC and all
< 1319788992 89036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should also make it: not depend on Tango.
< 1319788999 769751 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the main problem :-P
< 1319789011 255027 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately: Tango is the only good library.
< 1319789023 347227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's also completely unmaintained to my knowledge :P
< 1319789031 129188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could: use a real programming language.
< 1319789043 541887 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's maintained
< 1319789047 662664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Real" here is defined as literally anything but D how do you even end up with multiple stdlibs.
< 1319789055 334159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: pikhq said not a few weeks ago
< 1319789058 917674 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :C has multiple stdlibs
< 1319789062 30189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A cursory glance at their website supported this
< 1319789068 143368 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are changesets from 4 days ago in the timeline
< 1319789070 772036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah but they all follow the same rough standard
< 1319789086 12552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The difference between what you're about to say and D is that people actually use both Phobos and Tango
< 1319789089 665000 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that D has no standard
< 1319789124 757092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in conclusion
< 1319789127 239466 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if I could do the metaprogramming shit conveniently I might move CCBI to C++11, but I doubt I can
< 1319789132 666487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll package CCBI if you completely rewrite it
< 1319789144 520149 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could package it myself if I cared :-P
< 1319789144 592512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: OK, you picked possibly the only worse language to move it to.
< 1319789152 376447 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Smallest effort
< 1319789177 454068 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like okay sure I could use a Lisp but that's a full rewrite, of every single line
< 1319789177 766378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I think you probably could pull the metaprogramming shit off; my qualifications backing this statement: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Deadfish#C.2B.2B_templates
< 1319789193 431083 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah but "conveniently"
< 1319789211 270397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should rewrite it in Haskell, and call it shiro.
< 1319789218 804724 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to, because it would be slow.
< 1319789223 703357 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also a 100% rewrite.
< 1319789231 361276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No fuck you it is going to be so fast.
< 1319789290 604029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, dmd is in community
< 1319789295 164690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does CCBI work with dmd/tango
< 1319789299 675177 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes but DMD sucks
< 1319789305 698282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define sucks
< 1319789314 611020 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be slower than shiro
< 1319789320 173177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow
< 1319789326 899108 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay maybe not that slow but still)
< 1319789333 375069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heyyy :P
< 1319789333 452887 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't used it in a while, dunno
< 1319789338 615005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shiro is faster than Language::Befunge.
< 1319789339 593477 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might also not build due to bugs
< 1319789343 858507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By lots.
< 1319789345 399395 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not an achievement ;-)
< 1319789352 9913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S PROBABLY EVEN FASTER THAN PYFUNGE.
< 1319789367 302436 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo, beating interpreted languages
< 1319789371 666301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I need to do is restructure it so it doesn't use the abominally stupid "StateT of globals over IO" approach.
< 1319789381 476212 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the better approach
< 1319789391 318560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends
< 1319789418 587815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think IORefs would buy me quite a bit in Shiro though
< 1319789424 566794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I should factor a lot of it out to be completely pure and take params
< 1319789429 588146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than just doing read-only shit on the state
< 1319789478 358067 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle StateT s m a -> ReaderT s m a
< 1319789478 580995 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found
< 1319789493 506716 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle ReaderT s m a -> StateT s m a
< 1319789493 727270 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found
< 1319789494 739114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yeah, no
< 1319789496 917398 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is it faster than Perl?
< 1319789501 439533 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the true test.
< 1319789507 702269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That still has the problem that it takes EVERY SINGLE GLOBAL
< 1319789512 37237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than, e.g.: what it needs.
< 1319789523 105055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Language::Befunge is Perl.
< 1319789548 425744 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I guess I should have pressed page up. :P
< 1319789564 561096 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But hey re. C++11 at least people could build it
< 1319789582 671838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Unless they're on e.g. Debian stable (I think)
< 1319789592 989431 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah, the 11 makes it harder
< 1319789595 687865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc (GCC) 4.6.1 20110819 (prerelease)
< 1319789595 789106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prerelease? Seriously guys?
< 1319789609 589573 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just said 11 because it's likely that such will be useful :-P
< 1319789617 532089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arch's goal in life is to always be at the absolute latest repository commit of every package.
< 1319789624 955347 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really
< 1319789632 62908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, better: Latest set of working files on the most active developer's computer.
< 1319789643 252316 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably a prerelease build that's equivalent to the release
< 1319789650 173383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut up with your facts and logic.
< 1319789653 737895 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, 4.6.2 is out
< 1319789660 568783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, so is GHC 7.2.1
< 1319789664 384824 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep
< 1319789689 978621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't really complain though because AUR is about 34895734985793485 times better than cabal-install.
< 1319789702 822916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I am pretty much unreasonably happy as far as Haskell goes.
< 1319789726 925269 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran into problems regarding outdated packages so switched back to cabal-installing everything
< 1319789734 177946 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUR updates too slowly :-p
< 1319789736 464851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ldc 1574-1
< 1319789736 545633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last Updated: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 20:28:36 +0000
< 1319789736 618313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :First Submitted: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:07:57 +0000
< 1319789736 618470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noice
< 1319789744 68736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You could use cabal2arch yourself
< 1319789750 506885 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What a pain
< 1319789767 956156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Meh, just a matter of writing a pacabalman script :P
< 1319789799 265585 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What a pain
< 1319789804 519233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Okay, so will CCBI build with an LDC from hg and a tango from SVN
< 1319789814 837044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh for fuck's sake BeholdMyGlory
< 1319789816 703515 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No not a tango from SVN probably
< 1319789819 51552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You haven't updated them in literally a year
< 1319789841 402151 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You’ll need Tango—version 0.99.9 or later. But not too late: there are breaking changes in trunk which CCBI doesn’t support building against."
< 1319789857 12077 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> pi * 10000000000000000000000000
< 1319789858 370007 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  3.1415926535897935e25
< 1319789867 338437 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gasps! :o

< 1319789881 41081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Just...
< 1319789889 460829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Just port it to something reasonable already :P
< 1319789901 651754 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not unreasonable, that's the latest Tango release :-P
< 1319789912 890523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny because you just claimed D is reasonable!
< 1319789927 111999 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It got less reasonable over time
< 1319789954 748918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was having problems with D toolchains in 2007, 2008
< 1319789964 898513 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're you
< 1319789989 12855 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You tend to find problems in everything :-P
< 1319790004 735079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, problems like "I literally can't get a compiler working"
< 1319790010 58299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Apart from this ancient gdc"
< 1319790028 862229 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, because you're you
< 1319790050 403391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, everyone else is just suffering under a collective delusion that D has ever worked
< 1319790080 683125 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.. don't think I have that delusion
< 1319790091 196164 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most people have the collective delusion that D is not a thing.
< 1319790101 638522 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or they don't know very much about it. :P
< 1319790122 971505 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Feel free to suggest good targets for porting
< 1319790142 968293 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: anything slower than C is not good)
< 1319790158 201474 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortran!
< 1319790168 651092 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lacks metaprogramming
< 1319790177 283906 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortran with CPP
< 1319790182 479129 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPP isn't metaprogramming
< 1319790200 499027 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you're just not inventive enough. :P
< 1319790207 688113 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I don't want to be
< 1319790226 412503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: C
< 1319790233 535326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is "slower than C", anyway
< 1319790234 532939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is D
< 1319790239 683703 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :C lacks metaprogramming
< 1319790243 180321 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, not really
< 1319790253 81490 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're within margin of error at worst ;-P
< 1319790276 695787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C has metaprogramming
< 1319790291 780806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And your uses of metaprogramming are mostly superfluous, at least the ones I saw :P
< 1319790308 388208 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java.
< 1319790314 153664 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :C doesn't have metaprogramming :-P
< 1319790326 684071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpp
< 1319790328 65237 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Note: anything that doesn't create native binaries is not good
< 1319790331 875681 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPP isn't metaprogramming
< 1319790341 497470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is; also, gcj
< 1319790352 644780 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ada.
< 1319790367 81046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Ada.
< 1319790373 724787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go with Ada.
< 1319790411 222846 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, I don't wanna learn Ada
< 1319790429 905132 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATS
< 1319790437 791675 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody wants to learn ATS
< 1319790460 207416 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess you're stuck with C with CPP
< 1319790468 11784 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because no one would want to use D.
< 1319790495 463664 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is much better, with its templates
< 1319790503 393123 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the kind of metaprogramming I do
< 1319790506 742234 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319790518 71720 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know if it's sufficient, at least without much pain
< 1319790540 81114 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pain is the only concept that's relevant to C++
< 1319790568 391691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Nobody wants to learn ATS
< 1319790569 231831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do
< 1319790657 66196 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1319790713 590619 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you could use GHC as it can approach speeds that are reasonably close to the average C program.
< 1319790716 588415 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just become a badass
< 1319790724 579604 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then your speed addiction will be solved
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< 1319791082 599832 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I wish the great language shootout had data on LuaJIT.
< 1319791129 662057 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://attractivechaos.wordpress.com/2011/01/23/amazed-by-luajit/  "I have kept looking for a replacement of Perl for several years. Now I have found it: Lua, although the decision is not made based on the language itself, but on its implementation LuaJIT."
< 1319791134 975536 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION stops reading in disgust.

< 1319791166 649667 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no replacement for Perl. Well, maybe Perl 6.
< 1319791244 471451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I need a nicer name for this whiz-bang high-level library than hubbub-tree
< 1319791281 808776 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do?
< 1319791298 257140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hubbubs trees
< 1319791346 38020 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, what the hell is that.
< 1319791406 589544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1319791415 233968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/./
< 1319791439 412031 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I. see.
< 1319791448 699127 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sorry, I can't help you with your name problem.
< 1319791453 182868 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not knowing what a hubbub tree is.
< 1319791524 200364 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thesaurus.com/browse/rowdydow   commotion, babel, bedlam, brouhaha, clamor, hullabaloo, pandemonium, ruckus...
< 1319791538 78174 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :plenty of good names.
< 1319791539 32833 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. (1) hubbub, uproar, brouhaha, katzenjammer -- (loud confused noise from many sources)
< 1319791545 952369 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :katzenjammer-tree.
< 1319791806 404143 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are these "reverse context trees"?
< 1319791812 38424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1319791817 550052 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay
< 1319791964 905085 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why there's so much talk about the pros and cons of languages on a channel which is primarily meant for discussion about languages that were not intended to be practical in the first place.
< 1319792017 519246 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to recognize a graph theorist: show them something like http://ecofuture.net/energy/files/2011/03/tree-field.jpg and ask if they think it's a forest.
< 1319792141 339265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1319792169 306799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: That makes the grossly unjustified assumption that this channel was ever sincerely on-topic.
< 1319792197 627405 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_;
< 1319792216 153302 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course, I don't really think that channels should be on-topic.)
< 1319792224 7829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only ais523 thinks that.
< 1319792243 884170 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: back in the great golden age, when #esoteric wasn't overrun the dastardly language zealots, things were... well... still off-topic.
< 1319792252 905759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: haskell-haskell-src-exts-1.11.1-20 is up to date -- reinstalling
< 1319792262 331999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sure makes a lot of sense, aurget!
< 1319792274 304961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I am a convert to the yaourt cause
< 1319792286 595098 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's just good to remember that, for instance, the fact that there's no pros to C++ is not a reason to stop using it -- merely a sign that using C++ has artistic value.
< 1319792306 11170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: Oh, certainly! C++ sudoku is one of my favourite games.
< 1319792319 220190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for something /serious/ like a Funge-98 interpreter...
< 1319792320 336667 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is making the implication no pros -> esoteric
< 1319792324 900763 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is totally wrong.
< 1319792371 17490 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funge-98 is probably the best language for a Funge-98 interpreter.
< 1319792378 85685 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: that wasn't my intention; just to point out that the good sides of a language can be something else than that it is practical, expressive, has efficient implementations, or the like.
< 1319792430 17968 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, like Perl.
< 1319792433 866793 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :using C++ _does_ have artistic value, even though the language is not very esoteric.
< 1319792437 368870 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, like Perl.
< 1319792461 181591 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Perl /can/ be practical and expressive, but I don't know if those qualifiers fit always.
< 1319792492 420731 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why bother with those values, when its artistic value is not to be questioned?
< 1319792559 499800 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, well, I think programming is always going to be rooted in practicality, even if the production of source code is a kind of art.
< 1319792565 363603 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_;
< 1319792605 218248 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an art of organization, efficiency, clarity, and probably a few other nouns.
< 1319792667 704793 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, all it really boils down to is "wow, _that_ is a neat way to use closures / mixins / iterators / whatever you happen to like"
< 1319792695 622817 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't say that.
< 1319792717 7058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : uh, well, I think programming is always going to be rooted in practicality, even if the production of source code is a kind of art.
< 1319792724 263026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mark me down on the record as super anti-this statement
< 1319792734 414051 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :marked.
< 1319792794 346678 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm just trying to advocate a broader view on the values of programming (languages): we're already as deeply immersed in those "practical" values as can be, so it would be nice to give some notice to the other values, too.
< 1319792806 241458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ++

< 1319792810 348954 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're noted. especially here.
< 1319792814 299980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was meant to be atehwa++.
< 1319792818 425618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't use computers.
< 1319792841 726416 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what happens when atehwa wraps around?
< 1319792847 966798 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like, a huge diss?
< 1319792853 242337 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wicked burn, etc?
< 1319792861 682716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma atehwa
< 1319792862 15121 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa has a karma of 0
< 1319792865 339101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1319792868 972922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma elliott
< 1319792869 50020 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 2
< 1319792870 661443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1319792872 351425 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also know that organisation, efficiency, clarity, and so on are important, but they also depend on one's aesthetic preferences
< 1319792874 576176 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma CakeProphet
< 1319792874 742724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bot
< 1319792874 902224 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1319792875 109596 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 0
< 1319792899 114823 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: well, aside from efficiency, but efficiency is not a requisite for good programs.
< 1319792919 949588 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if one was to define expressivity, what it comes down to is http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?NumberOfKeystrokes
< 1319792931 51355 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do believe there is such a thing as good organization and bad organization.
< 1319792939 86498 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, there's not really a quantifiable metric for it.
< 1319792946 415670 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if one was to define efficiency, what it comes down to is http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/
< 1319792960 189773 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma
< 1319792961 6270 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 1
< 1319792982 342660 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just what #esoteric needs: a brownie point system.
< 1319792987 231309 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: and BTW: I don't overflow: I'm arbitrary precision.
< 1319793004 375836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does not think expressivity and efficiency can be defined so simply.

< 1319793011 432872 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does :)

< 1319793016 225389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially expressivity = keystrokes is problematic.
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< 1319793042 594433 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been advocating this for quite some time; I'd like to hear the counterarguments
< 1319793043 611182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly the idea is to minimise human<->computer friction to express a program.
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< 1319793059 480549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But increased expressive power can have an up-front cost that would make it lose to an uber-golfed language on some tasks.
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< 1319793064 910301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet the former's expressivity scales far better.
< 1319793081 807438 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell vs. GolfScript
< 1319793081 879533 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it depends on what one is used to
< 1319793108 882800 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we're not trying to measure the efficiency of language-user pairs but languages, then number of keystrokes makes sense
< 1319793123 890853 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/efficiency/expressivity/
< 1319793139 409988 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :number of keystrokes for.. what? an average of every program ever written?
< 1319793141 752805 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actually, it is the expressivity of a language for a certain task
< 1319793144 741963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: Well, the question is -- what CakeProphet said.
< 1319793154 999696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The domain is "programs people actually want to write".
< 1319793183 620958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :People want to write things more complex than FizzBuzz, so GolfScript loses very quickly -- even if it minimises keystrokes it certainly doesn't minimise development time.
< 1319793192 495423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because it's unreadable.)
< 1319793219 603543 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet Python is readable but not incredibly expressive compared to other high level languages.
< 1319793328 502773 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :here expressive means... what one can accomplish with a single expression.
< 1319793421 742801 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :and single expressions means what?
< 1319793465 55411 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :please go read one of the many definitions of what an expression is. preferably a correct one.
< 1319793484 628808 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-img/comics/brain/ideas.png
< 1319793502 773660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have we actually proven that derrik isn't a Markov bot?
< 1319793508 684980 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1319793521 664346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we know CakeProphet is.
< 1319793527 740484 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: "correct" as in ... ?
< 1319793555 54237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's reasonably hard to prove that anyone isn't a markov bot, I think
< 1319793591 1527 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :derrik: do you actually know what an expression is?
< 1319793616 188367 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, CakeProphet: but it is important to understand that it does _not_ make sense to talk about the expressivity of a language for an unspecified task.
< 1319793630 630735 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that no single word means anything without context, CakeProphet
< 1319793644 468301 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, what kind of task is Python "not incredibly expressive" for?
< 1319793650 718286 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: so all the "Python is sooooooo expressive" blog posts are invalid. Yes, I can agree with that statement.
< 1319793674 99137 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :derrik: the context here is programming languages, dude.
< 1319793701 541384 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: not so familiar with programming languages.. but i am very familiar with natural languages
< 1319793703 597404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: Sure, but you can talk about the expressivity in general of a programming language as much as you can talk about any subjective, slightly ill-defined statement.
< 1319793719 851386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about the expressivity in terms of "programs people want to write", or more cynically "programs the speaker wants to write".
< 1319793754 684943 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this?: print sorted([(line, lineno) for lineno, line in enumerate(file("foo.txt"))])
< 1319793789 307792 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, that's true.
< 1319793817 282916 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just often turns out that people want to write different stuff.
< 1319793842 694341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = readFile "foo.txt" >>= print . sortBy (comparing fst) . zip [0..] . lines
< 1319793856 760467 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :When people talk about expressivity of Lisp, they often think about e.g. heuristic solution space searches
< 1319793872 318535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would expect metaprogramming instead.

< 1319793904 470402 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when people talk about the expressivity of Perl, they might talk about all the libraries that provide glue with different protocols/services
< 1319793954 654662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: I normally phrase that as "Perl has excellent library support"
< 1319793969 92373 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1319793998 251727 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: metaprogramming is cool, but it too, can be used more for some tasks and less for others
< 1319794003 118790 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl is also pretty expressive in not-that-sense as well.
< 1319794015 493504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: I just meant, I think that's what most people would say when they talk about the expressivity of Lisp.
< 1319794024 937570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than what you said.
< 1319794028 228774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I might be wrong.
< 1319794077 621745 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... maybe... but then they'd be horribly cut off from what expressivity means for the actual programming... if they weren't thinking about some specific cases where metaprogramming helped them to make their programs shorter.
< 1319794099 101269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, metaprogramming is just a kind of abstraction.
< 1319794127 631273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abstraction helps in an awful lot of places; metaprogramming is a rather blunt form of it to use everywhere, but it's still abstraction.
< 1319794147 396178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And like all abstraction offers obfuscatory potential etc. etc. etc., but that's probably true of anything that increases expressivity.)
< 1319794153 792777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's that word again!)
< 1319794176 868348 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore Perl is the best at expressionsivity.
< 1319794180 420266 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The usefulness of abstraction tools or code organisation tools should be measured, IMO, by the number of keystrokes they save you, for given task(s).
< 1319794220 288025 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if you're a software project manager.
< 1319794263 384053 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe in every case.
< 1319794294 131020 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, okay, well that's solved then.
< 1319794297 863303 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good!
< 1319794299 356475 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :next topic: let's measure "beautiful"
< 1319794307 770785 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I was just coming to that :)
< 1319794349 676859 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the Saw movies had beautiful imagery.
< 1319794359 287799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: IMO, number of keystrokes saved is a bit of an overly first-order interpretation.
< 1319794364 28964 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not the best storyline, or well, anything else.
< 1319794368 86574 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :beauty of a language can be measured by the number of people who, having learned something of the language, tell their opinions to other people.
< 1319794394 626909 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but it does correspond to Java not being terribly expressive
< 1319794397 150656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's at least say: Mean of number of keystrokes saved by you in every possible universe weighted by its probability.
< 1319794398 880203 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is very acceptable for me. :P
< 1319794414 318522 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, it's directly tied to Kolmogorov complexity :) and as we all know, the KC of a datum (program) depends on the language it is specified in...
< 1319794422 628828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, just because you miraculously avoid inserting a ridiculously easy bug to add that'd take years to fix, doesn't make the tool magic :)
< 1319794473 630585 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think reducing the number of some kind of language-defined construct might make more sense?
< 1319794476 689461 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like... "atoms"?
< 1319794488 940568 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :keystrokes are cheap and kind of irrelevant in my opinion.
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< 1319794536 239351 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this doesn't say anything at all about the language, just the particular abstraction being used.
< 1319794540 116844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: aka token
< 1319794545 194781 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that works.
< 1319794583 437114 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: well, I wouldn't count out the number of keystrokes that come from the language definition: compare "def" with "public static String"
< 1319794615 219229 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and compare "i" with "indexOfTraversedArray"
< 1319794617 562829 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 and 3, respectively.
< 1319794627 259537 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you name your variables is totally irrelevant to expressivity.
< 1319794654 802762 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :humhum
< 1319794676 679019 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that a language that would require me to use very long variables is quite unexpressive (or quite unimpressive)
< 1319794698 399104 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could take an extremely expressive (uh) expression and change all of the variables to ghost_ridesTheWhipN where N is an incrementing number that starts at 0
< 1319794705 122869 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would be pretty much the same thing I think?
< 1319794706 676452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: so do we count keystrokes an ide saves you?
< 1319794724 734485 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OO languages increase expressivity by allowing same names to be used for operations of different data types
< 1319794729 410896 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if we have to
< 1319794732 498391 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Visual Studio, most expressive programming language.
< 1319794732 987404 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Similarly, if someone asserted that cats were vegetables, someone correcting this might emphasize the last word: 
Cats are cute animals.
" -- HTML5 specification, the best specification.
< 1319794740 98546 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't like to use an IDE, so...
< 1319794754 488623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: So it's not measuring the expressivity of a language, it's a development environment (Unix counts)
< 1319794764 218523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, I told the Risc OS people I'm a Haskell person and now they think I'm weird.
< 1319794801 530374 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl in a UNIX environment is the most expressive. I get bash and Perl and everything in UNIX!
< 1319794801 642804 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't believe IDE's save all that many keystrokes...
< 1319794810 328141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: /Risc OS/ people think you're weird?
< 1319794812 150181 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bash and UNIX stuff is just 2 tokens away. ` and `
< 1319794839 235253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: Like I said, Unix counts.
< 1319794844 585343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: My point is that your tools matter.
< 1319794857 455597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I consider UNIX a good development environment
< 1319794860 742594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magnetic butterfly is slower than cat and restarting if you make a mistake is slower than vi is slower than mind-reading.
< 1319794861 247658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it counts as an IDE, though
< 1319794882 993915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  Magnetic butterfly is slower than cat and restarting if you make a mistake is slower than vi is slower than mind-reading.
< 1319794889 731306 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :699)  Magnetic butterfly is slower than cat and restarting if you make a mistake is slower than vi is slower than mind-reading.
< 1319794895 445888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably slightly better out of context
< 1319794897 491106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319794898 913416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319794900 23084 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :395)  two quotes about quotes about django   I guess the worst part is that I appear in all three hackego quotes about django
< 1319794901 149830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319794901 422608 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :591)  Electrons are so fragile X-D
< 1319794902 671767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319794903 570816 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :270)  gah, why does lose keep winning?
< 1319794904 159772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319794904 911127 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :27) PA ET ANNET UNIVERSET DER DE ENESTE PERSONEN OERJAN:  sa jeg kan bare konkludere med at det er feil, eller er verden helt bonkers
< 1319794906 937609 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :628)  what is nice about a pebble is that you can process it with your brain as a number by simply looking at it
< 1319794910 346858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: Trivial example: Tab completion saves keypresses if your identifiers are over a certain length. Maybe those identifiers are more readable because they're longer, and this means you make less mistakes, and thus need to do less bug-fixing, and thus end up pressing fewer keys overall.
< 1319794925 828419 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I believe that tools matter; maybe that is why the length of variable names does not have all that much to do with expressivity (because you end writing the same number of keystrokes, if you have an editor to help you with long names)
< 1319794928 15173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 591
< 1319794930 202721 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1319794935 328901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was either that one or 628
< 1319794945 352724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure which was worse
< 1319794954 434776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :628 is my favourite there
< 1319794962 422910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK
< 1319794975 259404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :27 is probably the weakest, but: tradition.
< 1319794975 332010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like 395 the best, I think
< 1319794978 599160 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :we haven't made very much progress on measuring beautiful.
< 1319794984 985953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: Right. So you're not really measuring the expressivity of a language at all :)
< 1319795018 482169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...so what I'm saying is, @ is the most expressive thing ever, and every other development environment of any sort is vastly inferior by definition.
< 1319795027 552638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally something none of us can disagree with.
< 1319795068 196028 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we could measure the hip-waist ratio of programs to determine beauty.
< 1319795175 664920 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think I am measuring the expressivity of languages after all, because really, all the nifty ways to enter programs do not affect number of keystrokes all that much.  It's still about the least number of keystrokes you can go with.
< 1319795187 414607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : atehwa: Trivial example: Tab completion saves keypresses if your identifiers are over a certain length. Maybe those identifiers are more readable because they're longer, and this means you make less mistakes, and thus need to do less bug-fixing, and thus end up pressing fewer keys overall.
< 1319795198 282913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might think it doesn't make much difference in practice, but it's still a difference.
< 1319795213 832860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all I have to do is make the tools more magical until it's all the difference :)
< 1319795229 786688 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you're going with the least number of keystrokes, you won't be using variable names that benefit from auto-completion. :)
< 1319795254 124890 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the expressivity of Piet?
< 1319795255 937481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: You would because: "Maybe those identifiers are more readable because they're longer, and this means you make less mistakes, and thus need to do less bug-fixing, and thus end up pressing fewer keys overall."
< 1319795258 969609 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this brings to my mind a book where they talked about inducing (logic) programs, such as Prolog programs
< 1319795282 325870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there's an example where a more verbose coding style but a fancier editor results in less overall keystrokes.
< 1319795293 121454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's not about the language (consider if it enforced the coding style).
< 1319795295 564728 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Piet is programmed with keystrokes, necessarily.
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< 1319795345 43265 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but I wouldn't be so sure that it happens in practice.  There's ample statistical evidence that the time programmers use to correcting and rewriting programs is also proportional to the program length.
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< 1319795397 755576 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would stand even if the extra length was only caused by longer identifier names.
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< 1319795426 455079 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but I wouldn't be so sure that it happens in practice.  There's ample statistical evidence that the time programmers use to correcting and rewriting programs is also proportional to the program length.
< 1319795449 293425 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would stand even if the extra length was only caused by longer identifier names.
< 1319795472 64106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you're saying it literally never applies? i.e., every identifier should be as short as physically possible?
< 1319795496 429579 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to rephrase what I'm trying to claim
< 1319795498 566409 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why Perl is the best language.
< 1319795529 250093 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to accomodate the length of sigil, you simply remove spaces in front of the sigil.
< 1319795534 831150 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my $x becomes my$x
< 1319795569 515296 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The claim is this: the "expressivity" of a language for a given task is the amount of physical work that is required to write the shortest program that exists that is a "solution" of the given task.
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< 1319795619 260897 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this sense, Charles Babbage's Analytical Engine has the least expressive language.
< 1319795646 79343 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :all those punch cards. You probably have to shovel coal into a furnace or something too because it's steam-powered.
< 1319795664 379647 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I wouldn't be surprised; on the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised to find programming environments that are even less expressive than Babbage's engine.
< 1319795694 153172 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: but count out the work that goes into _executing_ the program.
< 1319795705 227630 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, wait I don't think it's steam powered
< 1319795724 16747 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :only count the work that goes into _specifying_ the program.
< 1319795735 512566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : The claim is this: the "expressivity" of a language for a given task is the amount of physical work that is required to write the shortest program that exists that is a "solution" of the given task.
< 1319795744 999340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and i've been trying to prove that it isn't about the language :)
< 1319795750 414832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that it only makes sense in terms of an entire toolchain
< 1319795756 589865 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well I just use slaves to punch my Analytical Engine cards.
< 1319795776 928700 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :slaves = most expressive component of your toolchain.
< 1319796065 506622 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, I agree with you in principle; I just think that the impact of the rest of the toolchain is almost negligible
< 1319796094 290044 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"almost negligible" implies it isn't negligible
< 1319796097 331978 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there's a reason why source code is called so: it is the single point that is really the work of people, not automata.
< 1319796103 123034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: Well, certainly coding Java without an IDE is quite painful, because the language itself is underpowered and verbose. An IDE helps to mitigate that.
< 1319796142 395884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: But maybe I'll agree that /today/ it doesn't matter all that much beyond pathological examples like that.
< 1319796148 205813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although worryingly common ones.)
< 1319796155 489325 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hlep Piet and keystrokes problem ignored.
< 1319796156 638942 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, when I enter discussions about how unexpressive Java is and how it takes so much work to write a program in Java, people invariably toss IDE's in.
< 1319796163 197970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm pretty sure there's no way that @ won't disprove this thesis as soon as everyone is using it :)
< 1319796182 13267 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what is @?  Pointer?
< 1319796202 73381 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's operating system type thing porject
< 1319796203 194025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It, er; oh no, ais isn't here, I can't even delegate the task.
< 1319796206 206423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an OS. Sort of.
< 1319796209 5145 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*project
< 1319796218 77333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except not really.
< 1319796218 204439 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence "type thing"
< 1319796224 408483 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in the lines of INTERLISP-D?
< 1319796225 568213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except yes really but it's misleading to think of it in those terms.
< 1319796232 669381 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is The Most Revolutionary Mostly Undefined Thing.
< 1319796250 999591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: Attempting to go for the most obscure reference possible? :-)
< 1319796252 375569 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an operating system, Jim, but not as we know it
< 1319796253 307709 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :suitable for the many porpoises.
< 1319796277 391563 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no really, it was what first came to my mind... because I've been thinking about implementing a Scheme OS, myself.
< 1319796307 66297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, @ is certainly lumpable under the "language-based OS" banner, although that's not strictly true.
< 1319796312 229628 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :NULL is the most obscured reference.
< 1319796319 690686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme is waaayy below it, though :-)
< 1319796336 740731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: Same applies to almost every language I know of; the rest are just way below, rather than waaayy below.)
< 1319796337 841821 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm sure it is.
< 1319796346 643222 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the things you say are getting annoyingly close to self-contradictions
< 1319796356 329763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Well, they are... and they aren't.
< 1319796359 714735 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1319796378 312084 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a second, I thought I had copyright on self-contradictions here?
< 1319796385 661577 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will have to take legal action soon.
< 1319796393 433521 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Piet kinda handled by changing "number of keystrokes" into "amount of physical work"
< 1319796430 832238 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure-data is probably the least expressive language then
< 1319796434 909222 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's a pain in the ass to program.
< 1319796478 67957 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, that's a generic trademark now
< 1319796483 980633 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :example program: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pd_example_3.svg
< 1319796524 426912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :More representative example program: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Pure_Data_with_many_patches_open_%28netpd_project%29.png
< 1319796533 786652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, s.
< 1319796538 720626 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :program(s) --yes
< 1319796548 343452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what's a plural between friends.
< 1319796552 289628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wait, we're not friends.
< 1319796554 666793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Between enemies.
< 1319796580 578975 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess one could also replace a Java IDE with macro preprocessing :) to set up sensible abbreviations for all boilerplate code.
< 1319796584 845515 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I would the massive spaghetti mess underneath all of those clean UIs is more representative.
< 1319796589 892444 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*would say
< 1319796657 534053 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway graphical dataflow languages are an interesting concept, but I'd prefer more textiness.
< 1319796667 460941 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://goto10.org/wp-content/uploads/goto10.org/2008/11/pure_data-workshop.png
< 1319796677 816819 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about that for representativeness?
< 1319796684 685961 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's not too far off.
< 1319796709 608956 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can mitigate that kind of situation with some good style, but no one does this of course.
< 1319796713 504179 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it involves more clicking.
< 1319796981 135528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tests something.

< 1319796981 939077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1319796997 302909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319796999 719038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo elliott
< 1319797001 502049 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott
< 1319797007 904899 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo elliott
< 1319797007 976980 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott elliott
< 1319797022 103471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, t'works.
< 1319797043 739633 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo `echo echo`
< 1319797045 693160 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo
< 1319797052 506340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo elliott
< 1319797054 102640 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott
< 1319797055 998970 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cho elliott
< 1319797056 71665 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottlliottliottiottottttt
< 1319797106 771071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, nobody told me `speaker-test -c2` produced avant-garde noise on command.
< 1319797113 151260 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map head (tails "elliott")
< 1319797114 310753 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "elliott*Exception: Prelude.head: empty list
< 1319797115 340714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Make fungot do a /me that highlights me pls.
< 1319797115 658565 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 17. no pokers are soft; all pillows are soft. 11. no. 16. here we only understand " are" between names of two attributes ( for example, such propositions as " all the fnord i've done, from fnord and from fnord.
< 1319797160 271169 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +.,[.,]+.!ACTION elliott whatever
< 1319797160 343569 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION elliott whatever

< 1319797165 586181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh.
< 1319797167 227824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, to clarify
< 1319797172 275199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: One that doesn't highlight me the line before :P
< 1319797181 377882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That worked, but probably only because you highlighted me...
< 1319797201 450070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +.,,[.,,]+.!.A.C.T.I.O.N. .e.l.l.i.o.t.t. .w.h.a.t.e.v.e.r
< 1319797201 659250 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION elliott whatever

< 1319797202 991403 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do a rot13
< 1319797207 219740 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that.
< 1319797211 912449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[+]+.,,[.,,]+.!.A.C.T.I.O.N. .e.l.l.i.o.t.t. .w.h.a.t.e.v.e.r
< 1319797211 984638 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION elliott whatever

< 1319797251 865184 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there documentation somewhere about the many bots on the channel?
< 1319797263 723138 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno ask fungot
< 1319797264 279000 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: and what a grand thing it would be glad to be helped up again.
< 1319797279 358777 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: is there documentation about you and your comrades?
< 1319797279 455529 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: next to him the eldest daughter: she suggested very little, only asked if he would take her with her look of ' passive beauty.'
< 1319797283 340332 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +.,[-.,]+.!BDUJPO!fmmjpuu!whatever
< 1319797283 412432 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION elliott vg`sdudq

< 1319797295 251123 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1319797295 323550 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice* c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1319797297 553961 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdudq, good data structure name.
< 1319797315 149976 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc
< 1319797315 304084 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams)
< 1319797316 52948 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1319797317 339979 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1319797328 836034 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is "documentation" in the sense of
< 1319797330 908135 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes
< 1319797331 78816 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?
< 1319797334 309675 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`prefixes
< 1319797335 849074 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?
< 1319797337 296194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[+]+.,,[.,,]+.!.A.C.T.I.O.N. .e.l.l.i.o.t.t. .w.h.a.t.e.v.e.r
< 1319797337 368535 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION elliott whatever

< 1319797338 887734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[+]+.,,[.,,]+.!.A.C.T.I.O.N. .e.l.l.i.o.t.t. .w.h.a.t.e.v.e.r
< 1319797339 81492 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION elliott whatever

< 1319797345 484338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, why won't it be context-sensitive.
< 1319797357 722094 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: interesting.
< 1319797367 678024 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!prefixes I think used to work too maybe I guess.
< 1319797386 664425 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`!prefixes
< 1319797388 861328 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: !prefixes: not found
< 1319797390 451826 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!prefixes
< 1319797393 78655 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But EgoBot's being uncoöperative, to ö a bit, lately.
< 1319797412 347785 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and besides, lambdabot has > too
< 1319797415 121616 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1
< 1319797415 895018 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1
< 1319797424 697652 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> head [1..10]
< 1319797425 592126 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1
< 1319797426 94138 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's different.
< 1319797433 99139 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does that ":t" thing on-channel also.
< 1319797439 965850 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Nothing
< 1319797440 833556 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. Maybe a
< 1319797444 564159 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo HackEgo is th ebest.
< 1319797446 708766 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo is th ebest.
< 1319797468 569752 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words
< 1319797470 574833 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: words: not found
< 1319797474 596653 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1319797478 372046 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo fungot is the eboniest.
< 1319797478 444349 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is the eboniest. fungot is the eboniest.
< 1319797490 337486 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin
< 1319797492 450549 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ addquote \ allquotes \ calc \ define \ delquote \ etymology \ forget \ fortune \ frink \ google \ json \ k \ karma \ karma+ \ karma- \ learn \ log \ logurl \ macro \ marco \ paste \ pastekarma \ pastelog \ pastelogs \ pastenquotes \ pastequotes \ pastewisdom \ ping \ prefixes \ qc \ quote \ quotes \ roll \ runperl \ toutf8
< 1319797496 416559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319797522 961300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319797524 158173 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did words get deleted? :(
< 1319797540 596855 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`word 4
< 1319797542 842780 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :strunkuna cal las cous
< 1319797545 328213 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1319797546 697479 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just got truncamated in the ls.
< 1319797546 922478 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is blind.

< 1319797551 347970 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that.
< 1319797555 279182 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/w*
< 1319797557 310771 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/wl \ bin/word \ bin/wtf
< 1319797569 580684 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`word 10
< 1319797572 252129 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fes banchind wiigandepatalastollinqui mter genbrimed inata mes chedu chturtihaheaing hot
< 1319797590 234038 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot
< 1319797622 814215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : strunkuna cal las cous
< 1319797625 901914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a phrase
< 1319797629 554680 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're such a chedu.
< 1319797669 882730 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The relevance is an inata
< 1319797681 496116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good god, there's no Clearlooks for GTK3?
< 1319797698 973449 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason I think 'chedu' sounds like a derogatory racial term from Star Wars.
< 1319797736 569118 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiigandepatalastollinqui is an ancient god.
< 1319797780 209643 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Valarin seemed to use long words; for example, the Valarin word for Telperion, Ibrîniðilpathânezel, is eight syllables long."
< 1319797798 494036 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, that's the Mayan god of esoteric programming languages
< 1319798069 471338 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '[a-z'\''-]+(?<='\''s)'
< 1319798071 373276 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[a-z'-]+(?<='s)
< 1319798075 541485 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1319798116 345297 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :does '[a-z'\''-]+(?<='\''s)' count as a single argument?
< 1319798152 158513 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should; there's no whitespace in there.
< 1319798186 546086 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :eng_filter='[a-z'\''-]+(? how do I convert a char to a string in OCaml, without using any modules? I'm trying to write a script to automatically mark other people's homework (in a kind of reverse to the usual question), so it has to run inside a sandbox where modules aren't allowed, and there's no standard string_of_char function, nor anything similar that I can find in Pervasives
< 1319798494 414662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[11:40]  I have a feeling that I'm missing some sort of syntax for declaring a string a character at a time
< 1319798505 770879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked in #ocaml, but I'd better ask here too just in case somebody knows
< 1319798507 59383 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Passing into a function shouldn't be any different than passing into a command; but of course what you do inside the function is a different thing.
< 1319798510 202498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't be that difficult an operation...
< 1319798514 20197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*…
< 1319798526 945002 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right, I'm not quoting inside the function. so that's the problem.
< 1319798540 370790 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know OCaml
< 1319798559 669436 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's anything like Haskell, surround it by square brackets
< 1319798592 303547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm sure there's something in the string module
< 1319798594 483906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I think exists
< 1319798604 578914 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, didn't you read?
< 1319798607 144660 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is something in the String module, but "without using any modules".
< 1319798608 470159 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's not using modules!
< 1319798611 838196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1319798626 220118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Surely the string module is not all that unsafe.
< 1319798650 220277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tests somethin

< 1319798650 895456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :g.
< 1319798652 318923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's not a security thing, but a using-modules-to-do-their-work-for-them thing
< 1319798652 768942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1319798659 381126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ocaml have come up with a suggesiton, I'll try it
< 1319798672 12784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319798675 29202 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Is the suggestion... complicated and perverse?
< 1319798695 29871 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, look, they've changed the royal succession rules for Commonwealth countries
< 1319798720 532583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# let x = "x" in x.[0] <- 'y'; x ;;
< 1319798721 919177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :- : string = "y"
< 1319798723 399902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: indeed
< 1319798723 473795 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that work?
< 1319798732 412196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out strings are mutable in OCaml
< 1319798738 41116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I use a one-character string literal and mutate it
< 1319798741 627045 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commonwealth countries recognise a different monarch to the UK?
< 1319798750 495118 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UK's in the Commonwealth
< 1319798776 209855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Client Quit
< 1319798786 719291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319798802 84053 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :gb_opt() { echo perl ./construct_grams.pl -m "${2:-$1}"${3:+ -f $3}${4:+ -e $4} $D/googlebooks-$1-*.csv; }
< 1319798805 67239 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :d_opt()  { echo perl ./construct_grams.pl -m "${3:-$1}"${2:+ -e "$2"}${4:+ -f "$4"}  dict/$1;
< 1319798813 938691 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash is the best programming language for writing abstractions
< 1319798841 425938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# string_of_char 'a' ^ string_of_char 'b' ;;
< 1319798842 744712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :- : string = "aa"
< 1319798844 293973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear
< 1319798857 410150 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. same error. :(
< 1319798878 70402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joys of impure languages, right?
< 1319798886 327114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wat
< 1319798897 48387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's closing over "x"
< 1319798907 869928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even want to know.
< 1319798913 255558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's modifying the same string literal twice
< 1319798916 39410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know how to get my LAN IP without ifconfig?
< 1319798917 254329 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Heh, heh. What if you return "" ^ x after mutating x.
< 1319798928 299289 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I need to like
< 1319798928 718660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, that's your string_of_char
< 1319798930 327101 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo the "'s ?
< 1319798935 449120 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ughhhhhzsodihwiuerhiuwerh
< 1319798945 784576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why not just make a new variable each time
< 1319798958 425022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: let string_of_char char = let x = "x" in x.[0] <- 'y'; x ;;
< 1319798964 284137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does that actually share the "x"
< 1319798969 130882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case: ewwwww
< 1319798992 514788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it closes over the "x"
< 1319798997 314403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's disgusting
< 1319799002 878034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# let string_of_char c = let x = "*" ^ "" in x.[0] <- c ; x ;;
< 1319799004 249094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :val string_of_char : char -> string = 
< 1319799005 727472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# string_of_char 'a' ^ string_of_char 'b' ;;
< 1319799007 193556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :- : string = "ab"
< 1319799009 284427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :concatenation operator saves the day
< 1319799013 578794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I prefer fizzie's
< 1319799014 119492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it has to construct a new string each time
< 1319799025 176837 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo \"test\"
< 1319799027 282118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let string_of_char c = let x = " " in x.[0] <- c; "" ^ x ;;
< 1319799027 354383 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"test"
< 1319799049 745026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, "ip addr show dev eth0"
< 1319799081 460964 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But would   let x = " " in x.[0] <- c; "" ^ x ;;   be theoretically non-re-entrant?
< 1319799101 820893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: indeed
< 1319799110 282305 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl ./construct_grams.pl -m "Eng1M" -f "[a-z'-]+(? "*"; but I guess not.
< 1319800351 5821 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, that is a correct reading of context.
< 1319800356 512682 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OCaml basically doesn't optimise.
< 1319800362 646140 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :gb_opt() { echo perl ./construct_grams.pl -m \"$1\"${2:+ -f \"$2\"}${3:+ -e \"$3\"} \"$D/googlebooks-$1-\"*\".csv\"; }
< 1319800365 640407 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :d_opt()  { echo perl ./construct_grams.pl -m \"$1\"${2:+ -e \"$2\"}${3:+ -f \"$3\"}  \"dict/$1\"; }
< 1319800368 606708 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a little nicer.
< 1319800370 977261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, that optimization is incorrect
< 1319800402 241778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, if you later mutated one of the original strings, ^'s return value would change too
< 1319800417 256086 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, well, mutable strings.
< 1319800458 295300 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll register Pietbot with nickserv now
< 1319800469 498141 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hey, golf me a fake identd.
< 1319800482 788849 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION awaits total success.

< 1319800491 330796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: is it actually written in Piet?
< 1319800530 260619 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nnnno. But I've seen a not-many-lines fakedentd somewhere.
< 1319800543 244199 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But it's like two hundred.
< 1319800544 819628 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, no I won't
< 1319800624 520979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you could just submit it as an anagol puzzle, then use the result?
< 1319800633 643361 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: those can't do networking
< 1319800634 465821 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohgods graph theory
< 1319800648 283244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: could you just use an nc wrapper?
< 1319800650 235073 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome, but such a pain
< 1319800654 324824 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no
< 1319800654 507532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is the identd protocol more complicated than that?
< 1319800675 899632 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here ever looked at random graphs at all?
< 1319800709 742411 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it's trivial
< 1319800710 716450 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should just write a sprunge script
< 1319800719 54931 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I can never remember the command for it.
< 1319800727 536662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: the command is on sprunge's website
< 1319800730 713254 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah, hmm, this one is only 143 lines, but it needs to be executed via identd
< 1319800732 630594 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just write my own
< 1319800733 978584 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm aware
< 1319800742 47636 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but going to the website to get the command defeats the purpose of a command line pastebin
< 1319800758 935378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, it saves you a copy-and-paste of the thing you're trying to submit
< 1319800769 256071 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true.
< 1319800824 3275 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think someone did use a nc wrapper inside a 'while true' loop. It's a bit race-conditiony perhaps since the nc will only accept the first connection, but usually it's over fast enough.
< 1319800827 662353 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319800872 346420 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ports are unsigned sixteen bits, right?
< 1319800892 981137 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For now... (ominous ominesance)
< 1319800981 781349 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -e '#!/bin/sh'"\n"curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us > scripts/sprunge
< 1319800982 849846 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one I saw was just "read line; chomp newline; append ' : USERID : UNIX : osofake'; write out" without bothering to, you know, check that the query made any sense.
< 1319800984 824529 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :woooo
< 1319801002 540580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, generally speaking
< 1319801029 433455 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's what I'm doing too.
< 1319801046 190401 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait that doesn't work
< 1319801053 625445 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Except (a) with a maximum length it'll read before kicking you and (b) maintaining like 16 connections at a time and if there's more than that a new one boots an old one off.
< 1319801062 270746 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: In case, you know, someone tries to DOS it.
< 1319801072 236882 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat Acro/build_data.sh | ./sprunge
< 1319801072 376139 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :./sprunge: 2: cannot open -: No such file
< 1319801082 62857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would someone try to DOS a golfed identd
< 1319801087 999120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why would an identd golfer worry about DOSes?
< 1319801132 11171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, hmm, is 0 a valid port number? what about 65535?
< 1319801134 982467 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh...
< 1319801135 670831 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1319801136 489379 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid
< 1319801137 323091 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash
< 1319801138 67444 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :quoting
< 1319801182 215817 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: alias sprunge='curl -F "sprunge=<-" sprunge.us'
< 1319801193 152678 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat sprunge | ./sprunge http://sprunge.us/Qfge
< 1319801200 143767 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I fixied it
< 1319801212 614324 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: At least API-wise 0 is generally not a valid port number, since it's used to indicate "any port".
< 1319801227 143869 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319801235 64936 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmmm, alias? what is that?
< 1319801241 261974 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no man entry for it.
< 1319801253 716728 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bash builtin.
< 1319801264 532369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: try "help alias" in bash
< 1319801313 459929 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm okay
< 1319801320 725899 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :are these defined in a file or something?
< 1319801331 737203 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite often in .bashrc, or some other file.
< 1319801351 714883 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't need to like... "export" them or anything.
< 1319801361 61629 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1319801363 413473 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TEST TIME
< 1319801365 319773 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1319801369 760439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319801379 366135 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty close to a shell function except more restricted.
< 1319801379 474560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww.
< 1319801465 143932 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Heh, remember yesterday's sillily-titled IEEE tech alert? It seems they got some feedback: "Subject: IMPORTANT: A Letter From IEEE Spectrum Editor in Chief Susan Hassler About Today's Tech Alert
< 1319801465 216536 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Please accept our sincere apologies for the headline in today's Tech Alert: "With the Arduino, Now Even Your Mom Can Program." The actual title of the article is "The Making of Arduino."
< 1319801465 216704 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm an IEEE member, and a mom, and the headline was inexcusable, a lazy, sexist cliché that should have never seen the light of day. Today we are instituting an additional headline review process that will apply to all future Tech Alerts so that such insipid and offensive headlines never find their way into your in-box. --"
< 1319801503 633353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :select reports connects to a listening socket as "reads", right?
< 1319801509 336599 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so I do need to edit .bashrc or whatever.
< 1319801515 2642 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't persist between sessions otherwise.
< 1319801595 364174 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://sites.google.com/site/mandelbox/negative-mandelbox
< 1319801603 892954 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help i can't stop looking
< 1319801610 694736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, maybe I'll just use poll.
< 1319801618 445293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :poll doesn't need the set of fds reset each time, right?
< 1319801652 454952 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use a static array of struct pollfd's, yes.
< 1319801664 68522 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't even touch the "events" fields, just the "revents".
< 1319801709 650172 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a new connection on a listening socket should be a POLLIN(ation).
< 1319801751 415063 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: thx for the day, D, L, s, et al
< 1319802036 236007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1319802312 450552 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: help I can't stop looking https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3H-b7AFnpE4/TqhDiDPG0KI/AAAAAAAAKJU/QIpbMwzYsn4/s400/boss.gif
< 1319802538 944188 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What."
< 1319802562 789119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hmm, I think I must be using poll wrong. :-(
< 1319802582 732488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, I get the events for new connections, but no read events beyond that.
< 1319802641 637873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hmm.
< 1319802647 794154 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, um, well. I'unno. Do you accept() the new connections and add them to your fd-list?
< 1319802658 182509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bind: Address already in use
< 1319802659 536931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ajhgkhrkahkrjghkj
< 1319802664 81955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How _do_ you fix that?
< 1319802675 972292 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO_REUSEADDR can help.
< 1319802692 623852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, I'd rather not change my code.
< 1319802700 309828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need some kind of all-purpose unlock-port. :p
< 1319802765 434421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, now it works.
< 1319802822 601405 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a timeout. When the lingering entry in the TCP stack evaporates from CLOSE_WAIT or whatever to gone, it'll be again available.
< 1319803091 277044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1319803101 814881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's safe to have a pollfds with a junk fd as long as .events = 0, right?
< 1319803108 67489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pollfds entry
< 1319803436 692755 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, it could be safe, but I'm not sure it's necessarily safe.
< 1319803474 183518 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The array's members are pollfd structures within which fd specifies an open file descriptor --"
< 1319803517 966380 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have a struct pollfd with .fd = -1, though.
< 1319803526 107648 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If the value of fd is less than 0, events shall be ignored, and revents shall be set to 0 in that entry on return from poll()."
< 1319803634 765240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : You can have a struct pollfd with .fd = -1, though.
< 1319803636 15136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, thanks.
< 1319803673 691799 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, to be exact, POSIX says you can have one. I don't see a mention it in my "man poll", but...
< 1319803791 832059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's just assume it works.
< 1319803813 267029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are four send()s after another likely to get mushed together or will they cause ~overhead~? I don't really know network stuff.
< 1319803845 573262 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess it's also safe-for-some-values-of to have an invalid fd in there; it'll just set POLLNVAL in the .revents member, but you can ignore that.
< 1319803885 260799 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't specifically request TCP_NODELAY, I suppose they're rather likely to get combined to a single packet.
< 1319803900 517848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also also: Are you meant to shutdown() a server fd too, or is it just close() that you're meant to do?
< 1319803976 569055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you can request the packets to be sent separately, but by default they'll be queued up a bit
< 1319803989 461503 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, uh... I guess you could shutdown(s, SHUT_RD) the socket immediately when you've read the query, that would (theoretically) let one half of the four-packet shutdown sequence happen during the time you're "computing" and writing the reply.
< 1319804008 547312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Nonono, I mean server fds.
< 1319804009 840020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in.
< 1319804012 909755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I accept() from.
< 1319804080 648752 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that; I'd just close it.
< 1319804113 440673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay.
< 1319804213 398204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's try this.
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< 1319804225 479882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1319804228 304816 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no. :/
< 1319804229 581608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't like the response.
< 1319804250 201297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky noidentd]$ nc localhost 113
< 1319804250 303505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :113, 113
< 1319804250 375871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :113, 113 : USERID : UNIX : elliott
< 1319804254 141207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's korrect, no?
< 1319804294 444752 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks good to me.
< 1319804302 925179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1319804324 565106 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you put a CR-LF pair at the end?
< 1319804328 800692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Also, are you sure close() is enough? "bind: Address already in use" still happens for me even with a proper atexit handler.
< 1319804390 185330 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, close() does an implicit shutdown() for connection-oriented sockets; I don't think shutdown() is even sensible for a listening socket, which after all is not connected to anything.
< 1319804405 951845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright.
< 1319804412 71987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1319804421 9429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1319804448 198704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/aMJS ;; I'm actually surprised it came out looking as good as it does; all I have to do now is make it work...
< 1319804528 413589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky noidentd]$ echo -n 'a' | nc localhost 113
< 1319804528 606067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[hang]
< 1319804535 274175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I guess recv doesn't work like read.
< 1319804555 245039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or nc doesn't.
< 1319804557 801774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the two.
< 1319804570 772863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, hardly matters.
< 1319804591 229264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I can get mine to break.
< 1319804660 688292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes.
< 1319804667 258633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo 1
< 1319804667 446160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo 2
< 1319804667 518642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo 3
< 1319804667 518798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo 4
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< 1319804677 901075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out one can't have 0 connections.
< 1319804690 788144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1319804715 359962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :		conns = (conns % (MAXCONNS - 1)) + 1;
< 1319804715 431960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... think that should fix it.
< 1319804768 247321 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That thing looks suspicious. Isn't it going to just abandon the (open) sockets when it wraps over?
< 1319804820 222588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, that's the intent. Oh, I should probably close them.
< 1319804843 846316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The intent is that too many connections disconnect older ones, though, yes.
< 1319804880 72672 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still sounds strange that it'd abandon/close all MAXCONNS existing connections every MAXCONN'th connection when that counter wraps over.
< 1319804895 610691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would it? It'll just abandon the first. Oh, I see whaty ou mean.
< 1319804902 171577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll just always pass MAXCONNS + 1 to poll.
< 1319804904 985354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not like it'll go any slower.
< 1319804928 485604 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You loop with for (size_t i = 0; i < conns; i++) so when the counter wraps over to 1, it'll only look at the first connection.
< 1319804933 578238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, indeed.
< 1319804959 356274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixing.
< 1319805076 679460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: This should look more reasonable to you: http://sprunge.us/GGWW
< 1319805080 747845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, modulo me having not yet defined NELEMS.
< 1319805154 900923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It would be kind of nice if it only dropped people if there was more than ten simultaneous connections. But I'd need a bitset then.
< 1319805170 426763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it would still be more elegant, as I'd call poll() with a proper count.
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< 1319805197 203266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still doesn't actually _work_, though.
< 1319805213 776608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs Wireshark.

< 1319805280 124913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Anyway, I think that behaviour is semi-sensible.
< 1319805292 991486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just cycles through ten slots, closing sockets as it overwrites them.
< 1319805294 553948 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also (conns % (MAXCONNS - 1)) + 1 returns values in the [1, MAXCONNS-1] range (since %(MAXCONNS-1) is at most MAXCONNS-2); I think you want just (conns%MAXCONNS)+1 there. Then it'll go 0 (initial) -> 1, 1 -> 2, ..., MAXCONNS-1 -> MAXCONNS, MAXCONNS -> 1, 1 -> 2, ...
< 1319805302 195696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right.
< 1319805316 528759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, validate my semi-confidence in the behaviour being reasonable.
< 1319805325 285937 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it sounds semi-reasonable.
< 1319805332 585591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you remove the semi- qualifier???
< 1319805352 734734 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it was a semi-confidence on reasonability, not confidence on semi-reasonability.
< 1319805359 480917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I added a bitset of available slots I'd also want something that keeps track of the oldness order of them, so I only kill the oldest socket. But blah blah blah, too much effort.
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< 1319805439 667232 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, at that level of simplicity a circular buffer like that is a reasonable choice.
< 1319805459 616220 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming needs more pretzel buffers
< 1319805476 788446 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use the clients[] array as the "bitset" (just find the first .fd = -1) but you'd still need some sort of a serial number array to select the oldest when all the slots are full.
< 1319805490 852769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know how to filter wireshark to just show things on a certain port?
< 1319805505 830643 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always just tcpdump and then open the dumpfile in wireshark.
< 1319805550 553845 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tcpdump -i iface -s 0 -w blah.pcap 'port 113' + wait, ^c + wireshark blah.pcap.
< 1319805555 758041 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319805556 894944 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be shocked if wireshark didn't have some way to do that
< 1319805558 260710 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm sure the built-in capturator can filter too.
< 1319805570 181956 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that it has so many options it's hard to find the one you actually want
< 1319805577 500837 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is an issue with both GUI and CLI programs
< 1319805579 599566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm filtering this one after-the-fact.
< 1319805588 261210 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Well, those filters are really messy too.
< 1319805619 474842 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just write an expression in that box, but I don't really know the syntax.
< 1319805632 383416 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that GUI thing for constructing a filter, but it especially has far too many options.
< 1319805642 242708 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you can find the first packet, you can use the "follow the stream" option.)
< 1319805665 509301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tcp.port == 113" does it.
< 1319805666 867005 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd check, but they haven't installed such HACKER TOOLS on these work-workstations.
< 1319805679 518748 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the syntax is reasonable, I just can't remember it.
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< 1319805754 686557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "Heh", it actually goes in two packets here.
< 1319805761 802181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the client said, and then the rest of the line.
< 1319805772 692059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit... wasteful.
< 1319805821 783049 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can use the MSG_MORE flag in the three first send()s.
< 1319805842 659425 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the "wait, wait, I'm not done yet" flag.
< 1319806048 478612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not part of my manpage.
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< 1319806077 330245 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might not be exactly portable.
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< 1319806082 927762 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : It might not be exactly portable.
< 1319806086 199880 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Annoyed that made a difference.
< 1319806164 642635 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a lazy identd-client-writer; TCP is stream-oriented, the packet boundaries shouldn't really matter.
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< 1319806170 756232 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :  It might not be exactly portable.
< 1319806172 794280 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Annoyed that made a difference.
< 1319806174 771223 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [elliott@dinky noidentd]$ curl -F 'sprunge=<-' sprunge.us
< 1319806176 774352 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric : curl: (6) Could not resolve host: sprunge.us; Unknown error
< 1319806178 817173 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Uh.
< 1319806180 784942 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Neat, my connection is broken.
< 1319806182 773692 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: Ping.
< 1319806184 794160 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^echo hi
< 1319806188 450717 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes,
< 1319806190 836673 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:49:24:  Sounds like a lazy identd-client-writer; TCP is stream-oriented, the packet boundaries shouldn't really matter.
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< 1319806193 707107 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's why I was annoyed. :p
< 1319806205 72387 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Although -- send isn't actually guaranteed to send everything at once, is it?
< 1319806217 598451 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it's TCP, it's not even guaranteed to send everything in order
< 1319806219 17133 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm being lazy, too.
< 1319806222 178331 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on conditions in the Internet
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< 1319806236 830127 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I'm sure send(fd, foo, n, 0) can't actually rearrange the bytes in foo.
< 1319806238 444899 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, recv will always appear receive it in order, because it reconstructs the packets into the order of the original sends
< 1319806249 465882 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, yes.
< 1319806256 56519 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: right, but it can place them in multiple packets, which can be received out of order
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< 1319806289 378896 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Actually I don't think I will bother trying multiple send()s for the response, because (a) it's tiny and (b) if I'm not careful you could put it into an infloop by being a bad client, perhaps.
< 1319806324 874911 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't be non-lazy, since there's no way to guarantee in-one-packet delivery; I guess a single send() with a small amount of data is sort of a best-effort thing, though.
< 1319806354 803987 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude why has the US not cut its ridiculous military spending.
< 1319806383 306163 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, instead of catapulting itself into the debtosphere.
< 1319806436 280779 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've lost faith in democracy. Or, well, whatever the US system is called.
< 1319806444 438849 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319806446 517075 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319806446 895355 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :229)  your premise to falsify "false" is false
< 1319806446 967514 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319806447 392505 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319806447 966275 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319806452 811808 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :568)  elliott_: I don't see a difference between a function taking a function as an argument, and some composition of those functions.
< 1319806452 984083 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :524)  So it's like... Rummy mixed with... breakout?
< 1319806463 780681 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :525)  i try to be a hermit but it's hard with all these housemates.
< 1319806464 106627 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :695)  Add a full stop in the middle and it becomes philosophy.
< 1319806464 338192 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: How did you find out the US policy decisions were made on #esoteric?!
< 1319806470 526348 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was a best-kept secret.
< 1319806470 599171 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric : You can't be non-lazy, since there's no way to guarantee in-one-packet delivery; I guess a single send() with a small amount of data is sort of a best-effort thing, though.
< 1319806476 839682 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I can; I can just assume it worked.
< 1319806491 757688 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I've been slowly uncovering the secret #esoteric cabal for years now.
< 1319806494 444509 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: hmm, none of those are massively good
< 1319806509 487533 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 695
< 1319806512 420106 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1319806514 880808 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :568 looks like the weakest to me.
< 1319806526 526337 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: elliott, an obvious choice for figurehead of the #esoteric cabal, is actually a mere puppet to a more sinister force.
< 1319806535 500337 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The qdb has to act as a shrine to people being really stupid, as well as being entertaining.
< 1319806535 572533 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I was about to point out that you added it when I remembered that it was Taneb.
< 1319806540 841705 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise we would forget and forgive.
< 1319806551 690147 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, Gregor takes all the decisions unilaterally, but doesn't know what they mean
< 1319806562 363278 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hereby decree this a good enough identd: http://sprunge.us/FYDV
< 1319806565 622449 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and #esoteric effectively shapes them by working out what language they're in
< 1319806570 914824 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to use fizzie's clever idea of using the fd values directly to select a new slot.
< 1319806580 783526 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: if it's a shrine of stupidity, why am I not quoted more often?
< 1319806587 323376 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: (Does that actually let me call poll with a smaller number, though? I guess not.)
< 1319806592 722774 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I can hardly add everything you say.
< 1319806609 666067 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, because you're not stupid as much as thick-headed.
< 1319806638 68772 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cat ,[.,]
< 1319806642 189234 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Not really, no. (Well, I guess you could also keep track of the largest-index non-"-1" entry, but that's not much of a win.)
< 1319806645 557199 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__cat: 6.8
< 1319806653 158308 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why I did that?
< 1319806665 764747 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help bfjoust
< 1319806666 511710 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Sorry, I have no help for bfjoust!
< 1319806716 180982 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I have to try to remember what undermine does
< 1319806731 396622 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, I think I remember
< 1319806747 952457 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Technically something like "                 12345           ,            12345                  \r\n" is still a legal request, but I'm not sure you need to care about that.
< 1319806757 281035 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeah, I don't give a damn about that.
< 1319806819 948973 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: according to most online dictionaries thick-headed and stupid are pretty much the same thing. :P
< 1319806850 94494 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oops, I forgot to drop privileges after listen().
< 1319806852 526966 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it after bind()?
< 1319806872 638401 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, ah, but your problem is that it takes massive effort to actually get you to learn anything, and because of that everything you do learn rattles around in all the empty space and gets mixed up.
< 1319806888 435784 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also is nobody always UID/GID 99?)
< 1319806898 73840 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, wait, should I use "daemon" instead? And is that always UID/GID 2?)
< 1319806939 756304 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd suspect after bind() is enough; and the actual numbers (except perhaps 0) are non-standard.
< 1319806946 537333 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1319806954 691457 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I will choosed to interpret this as a positive thing in one way or another.
< 1319806963 685206 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: And no way to get them other than parsing /etc/passwd?
< 1319806976 343037 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, you aren't at risk of joining a cult, I suppose.
< 1319806980 505502 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mixing and combinging of concepts demonstrates true understanding!
< 1319806981 293302 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like getpwnam("nobody")->pw_uid, except maybe with error-checking in-between.
< 1319806993 602289 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure it should be nobody and not daemon?
< 1319806997 967076 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, do I need to set the gid...?
< 1319806998 468579 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1319807039 160610 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which was that a no to?
< 1319807054 72776 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first one. I'm not sure which user account you "should" use.
< 1319807082 777794 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: "nobody" is 65534 on this system
< 1319807099 38968 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is setting the group necessary?
< 1319807114 829859 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find normative questions difficult to answer.
< 1319807143 306964 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Which shirt should I wear?"  "life has no inherent meaning."
< 1319807181 788725 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/IYgT ;; OK, this is slightly better, now to implement the age thing.
< 1319807365 649554 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fallibilism (from medieval Latin fallibilis, "liable to err") is the philosophical principle that human beings could be wrong about their beliefs, expectations, or their understanding of the world.
< 1319807369 683772 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good ism.
< 1319807424 446653 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/KCQe
< 1319807436 174978 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This MIGHT even do the oldest-connection thing; I'll let fizzie figure it out. :p
< 1319807443 517216 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the Catholic Church seems to disagree, what with the Pope and all.
< 1319807459 988751 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I ever become Pope.
< 1319807472 218713 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will just spew logical contradictions all day.
< 1319807491 726654 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmm.
< 1319807492 919475 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust undermine2 (+)*9>(+)*9(>[++++[-[-[-[--[-[-[-[>(>++++[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[(-)*120[.-]{}]]]]]]]]])%29)*-1]]]]]]]](>+++++++[-])*29])*-1
< 1319807493 302705 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems maybe not.
< 1319807495 997232 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__undermine2: 0.0
< 1319807502 441106 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: wow
< 1319807508 9668 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I was expecting to do better than that
< 1319807513 400860 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like a bug
< 1319807514 587808 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I'm guessing unmatched paren somewhere
< 1319807519 895748 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319807569 403279 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust undermine2 (+)*9>(+)*9(>[++++[-[-[-[--[-[-[-[((>++++[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[(-)*120[.-]{}]]]]]]]]])%29)*-1]]]]]]]](>+++++++[-])*29])*-1
< 1319807572 657120 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__undermine2: 27.3
< 1319807596 974206 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah
< 1319807599 465927 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does the exact wrong thing
< 1319807606 169285 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kills the _newest_ client
< 1319807609 50794 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the one that just connected :)
< 1319807650 717807 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust undermine2 (+)*9>(+)*9(>[>++++[-[-[-[--[-[-[-[((>++++[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[(-)*120[.-]{}]]]]]]]]])%29)*-1]]]]]]]](>+++++++[-])*29])*-1
< 1319807653 801019 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__undermine2: 28.3
< 1319807659 754259 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm
< 1319807660 631740 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh
< 1319807662 451418 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, hardly any change
< 1319807737 345518 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319807771 254205 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust undermine2 (+)*9>(+)*9(>[>++++[-[-[-[--[-[-[-[((>++++[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[(-)*120[.-]{}]]]]]]]]])%29)*-1]]]]]]]]([>]>+++++++[-])*29])*-1
< 1319807774 163292 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__undermine2: 28.1
< 1319807787 972133 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust undermine2 (+)*9>(+)*9(>[[>]++++[-[-[-[--[-[-[-[((>++++[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[(-)*120[.-]{}]]]]]]]]])%29)*-1]]]]]]]]([>]>+++++++[-])*29])*-1
< 1319807791 10490 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__undermine2: 20.4
< 1319807797 119570 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, thought that would happen
< 1319807805 179297 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I suppose tracking the ago-order like that is possible. Personally I'd probably have gone with the slightly disoptimal but possibly simpler   int serial = 0; int serials[MAXCONNS]; /* on inserting a new conn */ serials[conn-1] = serial++; /* and then when slots are full, select argmin_i serials[i] */
< 1319807810 986880 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ago/age/
< 1319807819 234476 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awaysh for a couple of hours now.
< 1319807824 78088 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, yes. Duh.
< 1319807827 910778 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's almost certainly cheaper.
< 1319807829 601834 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks.
< 1319807836 975454 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(argmin_i?)
< 1319807847 856583 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust undermine2 <
< 1319807850 879641 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__undermine2: 0.0
< 1319807871 602623 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know, C is a bit verbose for selecting the index with the minimum value; I went with the mathy comment. :p
< 1319807874 775676 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, gone.)
< 1319807883 683082 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Butbutbut wait.
< 1319807888 824754 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :serial eventually overflows like that.
< 1319807891 792762 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, no.
< 1319807896 305692 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, hmm, yes.
< 1319807909 464505 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust oddrush (>)*8(>>[-])*10
< 1319807912 529155 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__oddrush: 3.1
< 1319807917 969142 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :about what I expected
< 1319807948 154772 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Well, yes, it does. It'll behave poorly during the wraparound, that's true.
< 1319807962 114368 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is there any way to somehow keep serial low?
< 1319807966 874009 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust oddrush (>)*8(>>[+++++[-]])*10
< 1319807970 61439 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__oddrush: 1.8
< 1319807974 850943 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I could... loop through the array again, subtracting the slot picked?
< 1319807979 90832 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's the minimum and all.
< 1319808001 171870 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would work, I think.
< 1319808003 315038 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Yeah, I guess you could do that. And then set 'serial' to max+1.
< 1319808013 208976 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Right.
< 1319808023 937899 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now really. ->
< 1319808055 149183 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :serial = 0;
< 1319808055 286228 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :                    for (size_t i = 0; i < NELEMS(serials); i++) {
< 1319808055 358799 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :                        serials[i] -= slot;
< 1319808055 358971 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :                        if (serials[i] > serial)
< 1319808055 359080 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :                            serial = serials[i];
< 1319808056 165526 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :                    }
< 1319808057 974098 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :                    serial++;
< 1319808059 909106 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugly. :(
< 1319808080 342972 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Here, you prettify that.
< 1319808081 685503 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1319808151 66807 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you want to slotserial = serials[slot]; ... serials[i] -= slotserial; ... assuming slot is the index here, I'unno. If it's the smallest serial, then that's a different thing, of course.
< 1319808154 218858 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really really. -> ->
< 1319808204 906121 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust oddsyncrush (>)*7(>>[-[++[+++[-]]](>[-[++[+++[-]]]])*20])*11
< 1319808207 901633 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__oddsyncrush: 18.1
< 1319808216 546141 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the strategy is going somewhere!
< 1319808294 66685 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus christ, it's doing the same again
< 1319808300 441182 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, right, thanks
< 1319808314 299680 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust oddsyncrush (+)*9>(+)*6>(>)*5(>>[-[++[+++[-]]](>[-[++[+++[-]]]])*20])*11
< 1319808317 345784 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__oddsyncrush: 22.5
< 1319808368 212797 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :                    size_t minserial = 0;
< 1319808368 327604 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :                    for (size_t i = 0; i < NELEMS(serials); i++) {
< 1319808368 400186 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :                        if (!ok || serials[i] < minserial) {
< 1319808368 400353 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :                            ok = true;
< 1319808369 664018 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :                            slot = i;
< 1319808371 793957 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :                            minserial = serials[i];
< 1319808373 640900 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :                        }
< 1319808375 625233 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :                    }
< 1319808377 623357 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :                    size_t maxserial = 0;
< 1319808379 629496 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :                    for (size_t i = 0; i < NELEMS(serials); i++) {
< 1319808381 651810 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :                        serials[i] -= minserial;
< 1319808383 632385 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :                        if (serials[i] > maxserial)
< 1319808385 661233 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :                            maxserial = serials[i];
< 1319808387 668015 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :                    }
< 1319808389 644073 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :                    serial = maxserial + 1;
< 1319808391 644635 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :                    drop(&clients[slot]);
< 1319808393 647667 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: PERFECT
< 1319808395 667028 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is funny because it pulls fizzie back.
< 1319808417 544047 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND IT DOES THE SAME
< 1319808418 10882 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW
< 1319808433 757620 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust oddsyncrush (+)*9>(+)*6>(>)*5(>>[>[-[++[+++[-]]]](>[-[++[+++[-]]]])*20])*11
< 1319808436 992270 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__oddsyncrush: 22.3
< 1319808460 324997 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust oddsyncrush (+)*9>(+)*6>(>)*5(>>[>[-[++[+++[-]]](>[-[++[+++[-]]]])*20]])*11
< 1319808463 301753 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__oddsyncrush: 20.6
< 1319808469 782322 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1319808510 335596 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesss, it works.
< 1319808558 315418 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust (+)*9>(+)*6>(>)*5(>>[(>[-[++[+++[-]]](>[-[++[+++[-]]]])*20])*20])*11
< 1319808559 9675 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust   . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/
< 1319808564 523448 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust oddsyncrush (+)*9>(+)*6>(>)*5(>>[(>[-[++[+++[-]]](>[-[++[+++[-]]]])*20])*20])*11
< 1319808567 796309 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__oddsyncrush: 22.3
< 1319808585 655721 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I meant, but it doesn't seem to have helped much
< 1319808615 177652 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/fSJR
< 1319808620 505090 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tada.
< 1319808627 580026 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust oddsyncrush <
< 1319808629 830478 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please feel free to tell me how hideously broken it is.
< 1319808630 656620 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__oddsyncrush: 0.0
< 1319808651 635139 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1319808655 931739 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319808670 307043 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision (>>>>[>+++++[-]])*7
< 1319808673 228740 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 0.7
< 1319808684 87702 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision (>>>>[(>+++++[-]])*20)*7
< 1319808687 264634 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 0.0
< 1319808694 602055 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision (>>>>[(>+++++[-])*20])*7
< 1319808697 861868 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 8.3
< 1319808705 190339 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision (>>>[(>+++++[-])*20])*7
< 1319808708 204315 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 11.4
< 1319808750 607702 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, it beats most of my programs
< 1319808752 767604 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not a lot of others
< 1319808766 778284 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you can figure out who's written a program just from its decoy setup pattern
< 1319808785 547796 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision (>>>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*7
< 1319808788 608418 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 12.2
< 1319808809 435568 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor_ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys.bfjoust vs ais523__collision.bfjoust ><<><<><<><<><<<<>>>> ><<><<><<><<><<<<>>>> 6
< 1319808816 475163 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, /that's/ a bizarre patter nof wins and losses
< 1319808818 602517 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pattern
< 1319808843 467852 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision (>>>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*9
< 1319808846 568088 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 16.2
< 1319808855 422346 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't believe I got /that/ wrong...
< 1319808873 580141 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision (>>>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*9(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319808876 695347 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 16.3
< 1319808905 117294 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>>>>(>>>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*7(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319808908 216457 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 13.0
< 1319808919 294366 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >++>>>>>(>>>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*7(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319808922 502466 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 13.4
< 1319808934 236356 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >..>>>>>(>>>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*7(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319808937 344859 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 15.0
< 1319808943 99738 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1319808950 803618 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >.>>(>>>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*8(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319808953 940923 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 16.3
< 1319808960 232855 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >->>(>>>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*8(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319808963 355123 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 15.2
< 1319808969 197181 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>->(>>>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*8(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319808972 240207 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 15.6
< 1319808979 316129 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>-(>>>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*8(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319808982 457979 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 16.7
< 1319808985 478633 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :decoys hurting is never a good sign
< 1319808989 539612 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>--(>>>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*8(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319808992 743533 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 16.3
< 1319808996 716147 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in this case, seems I just have to put them a long way from the flag
< 1319809002 524718 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for reasons I don't fully understand
< 1319809008 592507 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(->>>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*8(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319809011 686776 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 18.8
< 1319809018 643398 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoo, trails help!
< 1319809022 250577 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(->>+>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*8(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319809025 458191 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 20.3
< 1319809043 66414 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(->>++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*8(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319809045 987593 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 21.9
< 1319809051 158398 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-->>++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*8(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319809054 251999 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 22.5
< 1319809063 418704 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-->+>++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*8(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319809066 600383 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 24.4
< 1319809075 26666 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm expecting that to hurt
< 1319809077 400772 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it didn't
< 1319809089 152806 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-->+>++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20]-----)*8(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319809092 247533 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 22.3
< 1319809097 264973 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-->+>++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20]--)*8(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319809100 378050 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 23.3
< 1319809105 901241 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(>+>++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20]--)*8(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319809108 860282 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 23.7
< 1319809118 720137 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-->+>+++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*8(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319809121 851701 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 25.3
< 1319809129 133915 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-->+>++++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*8(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319809132 350025 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 23.9
< 1319809136 539141 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-->>++++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*8(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319809139 941562 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 21.3
< 1319809144 218646 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1319809150 620826 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(->->++++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*8(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319809153 827248 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 23.3
< 1319809160 650732 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-->+>+++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*8(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319809163 991129 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 25.3
< 1319809176 796139 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, putting too many +s there just speeds up enemy offset clears on one polarity
< 1319809312 515258 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-->+>+++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*7(>[+++++[-]])*5
< 1319809315 654065 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 24.9
< 1319809331 140889 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-->+>+++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*6(>[+++++[-]])*8
< 1319809334 320790 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 24.4
< 1319809367 691186 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Says a lot about how retarded WE (at least some of us ) in the U.S. are when a people that still has Kings and Queens
< 1319809370 665887 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :believes in and practices evolution.
< 1319809373 428849 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :--comment on NPR article
< 1319809383 216081 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION refuses to participate in evolution.

< 1319809383 625014 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-->+>+++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*6(<<(+)*40)*6(>)*18(>[+++++[-]])*8
< 1319809386 824220 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 19.8
< 1319809396 536262 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-->+>+++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*6(<(-)*40<(+)*40)*6(>)*18(>[+++++[-]])*8
< 1319809399 512290 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 19.8
< 1319809427 117039 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-->+>+++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*6(<)*12((-)*100<(+)*100)*3(>)*18(>[+++++[-]])*8
< 1319809430 207232 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 24.2
< 1319809469 620464 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-->+>+++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*5(<)*9((-)*100<(+)*100)*3(>)*15(>[+++++[-]])*8
< 1319809472 768341 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 20.5
< 1319809477 638737 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-->+>+++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*6(<)*12((-)*100<(+)*100)*3(>)*18(>[+++++[-]])*8
< 1319809480 667221 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 24.2
< 1319809488 288881 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-->+>+++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*7(<)*12((-)*100<(+)*100)*3(>)*18(>[+++++[-]])*5
< 1319809491 415221 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 25.3
< 1319809535 472554 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect the next improvement is a better clear loop
< 1319809554 983295 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-->+>+++>[(>[-[++++++[-]]])*20])*7(<)*12((-)*100<(+)*100)*3(>)*18(>[+++++[-]])*5
< 1319809558 49457 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 20.7
< 1319809569 107179 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-->+>+++>[(>[-[++++[-]]])*20])*7(<)*12((-)*100<(+)*100)*3(>)*18(>[+++++[-]])*5
< 1319809572 265575 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 18.1
< 1319809577 701627 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-->+>+++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*7(<)*12((-)*100<(+)*100)*3(>)*18(>[+++++[-]])*5
< 1319809580 723173 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 25.3
< 1319809587 210059 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I need to see what sort of clear is needed
< 1319809708 308432 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319809735 98681 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I'm alive
< 1319809758 221911 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ngevd: is it actually written in Piet? <-- going to be. I've only barely started, still learning the protocol
< 1319809771 699591 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_ ^^^
< 1319809804 766432 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(>>>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*7(>[+++++[-]])*5
< 1319809807 905001 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 13.6
< 1319809815 71148 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-->+>+++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*7(<)*12((-)*100<(+)*100)*3(>)*18(>[+++++[-]])*5
< 1319809818 329603 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 25.3
< 1319809832 465201 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(+>+++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*10(<)*13((-)*100<(+)*100)*3(>)*18(>[+++++[-]])*5
< 1319809835 443158 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 29.5
< 1319809856 601609 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(+>+++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*10(<)*11((-)*100<(+)*100)*3(>)*17(>[+++++[-]])*6
< 1319809859 949346 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 29.8
< 1319809907 268408 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(->+++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*10(<)*11((-)*100<(+)*100)*3(>)*17(>[+++++[-]])*6
< 1319809910 308396 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 29.6
< 1319809916 858788 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(--+>++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*10(<)*11((-)*100<(+)*100)*3(>)*17(>[+++++[-]])*6
< 1319809919 761907 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 29.5
< 1319809925 67584 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-->++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*10(<)*11((-)*100<(+)*100)*3(>)*17(>[+++++[-]])*6
< 1319809928 34325 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 30.0
< 1319809939 820938 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is that 2 is the sweet spot for trails
< 1319809994 285086 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-->++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*10(<)*9(<<(-)*100)*3(>(+)*100>)*3(>)*9(>[+++++[-]])*6
< 1319809997 497949 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 29.5
< 1319810004 192299 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-->++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*10(<)*9(<<(+)*100)*3(>(-)*100>)*3(>)*9(>[+++++[-]])*6
< 1319810007 61571 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 29.5
< 1319810016 334928 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-->++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*10(<)*9(<<(+)*100)*4(>(-)*100>)*4(>)*9(>[+++++[-]])*6
< 1319810019 477211 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 29.1
< 1319810035 955536 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-->++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*10(<)*9(<(+)*100<)*3((-)*100>>)*3(>)*9(>[+++++[-]])*6
< 1319810039 107507 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 29.5
< 1319810071 405597 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-->++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*11(<)*9(<(+)*100<)*3((-)*100>>)*3(>)*9(>[+++++[-]])*4
< 1319810074 516085 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 29.9
< 1319810082 396897 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-->++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*12(<)*9(<(+)*100<)*3((-)*100>>)*3(>)*9(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319810085 519101 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 30.4
< 1319810093 341800 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-->++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*13
< 1319810096 489901 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 30.4
< 1319810108 789148 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-->++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*12(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319810111 846797 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 30.4
< 1319810121 62995 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I guess that case never really comes up
< 1319810160 832906 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does a channel message look like to a client?
< 1319810186 800015 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: privmsg to channel?
< 1319810189 537462 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the ones I'm sending now
< 1319810222 956057 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure
< 1319810242 996898 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*20<(-)*40<(+)*60<(-)*80>>>(-->++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*12(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319810245 905371 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 34.8
< 1319810250 129681 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's try a slower version of the same idea
< 1319810256 305031 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice one
< 1319810261 970853 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*20<(-)*40<(+)*60<(-)*80>>>(-->++>++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*8(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319810264 763205 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hang on, is a high score good?
< 1319810265 37756 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 37.3
< 1319810269 395935 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, higher is better
< 1319810284 397663 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >+>+>(-)*20<(-)*40<(+)*60<(-)*80>>>(-->++>++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*8(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319810287 648497 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 34.6
< 1319810298 194749 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>>+<(-)*20<(-)*40<(+)*60<(-)*80>>>(-->++>++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*8(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319810301 346947 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 32.7
< 1319810309 113111 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*20<(-)*40<(+)*60<(-)*80>>>(-->++>++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*8(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319810312 367995 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 37.3
< 1319810321 161746 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*20<(-)*40<(+)*40<(-)*40>>>(-->++>++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*8(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319810324 167518 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 37.4
< 1319810337 271717 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*20<(-)*40<(+)*40<(-)*20>>>(-->++>++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*8(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319810340 372053 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 37.0
< 1319810347 63700 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*30<(-)*40<(+)*40<(-)*20>>>(-->++>++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*8(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319810350 359504 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 37.7
< 1319810351 861049 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D83B.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319810361 826753 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*30<(-)*30<(+)*30<(-)*30>>>(-->++>++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*8(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319810365 26804 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 38.5
< 1319810380 451245 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*30<(-)*30<(+)*30<(-)*30>>>(-->++>++>++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*6(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319810383 563119 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 33.2
< 1319810398 20228 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*30<(-)*30<(+)*30<(-)*30>>>>(-->++>++>++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*6(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319810401 64767 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 36.1
< 1319810416 541746 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*30<(-)*30<(+)*30<(-)*30>>>>>(-->++>++>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*8(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319810419 597189 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 38.4
< 1319810425 702784 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*30<(-)*30<(+)*30<(-)*30>>>>>(>>>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*8(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319810428 790704 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 39.0
< 1319810440 359207 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this strategy is looking promising
< 1319810449 775293 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's still with a hastily thrown-together clear loop
< 1319810540 213072 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha, projects cannot ship source tarballs with their Arch PKGBUILD file, I think
< 1319810598 938211 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because PKGBUILDs contain checksums of the tarballs
< 1319810636 185439 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*30<(-)*30<(+)*30<(-)*30>>>>>(>>>[(>[+[+[+[----[-[-[(-)*100(-)]]]]]]])*20])*8(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319810639 303989 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 10.8
< 1319810648 981472 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, reverse offset clear does /that/ badly?
< 1319810654 573221 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*30<(-)*30<(+)*30<(-)*30>>>>>(>>>[(>[+++++[-]])*20])*8(>[+++++[-]])*2
< 1319810657 732364 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 39.0
< 1319810674 108695 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*30<(-)*30<(+)*30<(-)*30>>>>>(>>>[(>[++++++[-]])*20])*8(>[++++++[-]])*2
< 1319810677 221379 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 39.5
< 1319810677 293678 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that makes sense
< 1319810693 54374 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*30<(-)*30<(+)*30<(-)*30>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*7[-]])*20])*8(>[(+)*7[-]])*2
< 1319810696 207769 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 39.4
< 1319810702 167241 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*30<(-)*30<(+)*30<(-)*30>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*8(>[(+)*10[-]])*2
< 1319810705 410895 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 43.5
< 1319810709 226096 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, hmm
< 1319810712 397221 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how to handle this at all
< 1319810717 415395 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*30<(-)*30<(+)*30<(-)*30>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*12[-]])*20])*8(>[(+)*12[-]])*2
< 1319810720 346027 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 40.0
< 1319810725 751844 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*30<(-)*30<(+)*30<(-)*30>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*15[-]])*20])*8(>[(+)*15[-]])*2
< 1319810728 883127 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 42.3
< 1319810741 618692 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*30<(-)*30<(+)*30<(-)*30>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*18[-]])*20])*8(>[(+)*18[-]])*2
< 1319810744 712594 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 40.7
< 1319810751 381531 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*30<(-)*30<(+)*30<(-)*30>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*8(>[(+)*10[-]])*2
< 1319810754 372049 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 43.5
< 1319810792 736337 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, it's eighth now
< 1319810794 255130 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just above undermine
< 1319810809 752240 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have a habit of inventing new strategies and running them up to the bottom of the top ten
< 1319810824 422718 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Explain how this works
< 1319810848 19375 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how what works? the BF Joust program?
< 1319810851 466810 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1319810881 580431 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :set up decoys, adjust flag, then check every third cell for the opponent's decoys, when you find it move forward one cell and start a clear loop
< 1319810895 14615 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is that it's going to skip, "randomly" based on the tape length, 0, 1, or 2 decoys
< 1319810902 853479 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which gives it an advantage over an opponent who doesn't skip any
< 1319810915 942742 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*30<(-)*30<(+)*30<(-)*30>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*8(>[(+)*10[-]])*1
< 1319810918 966247 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 44.2
< 1319810927 524569 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I just noticed an off-by-one, even better
< 1319810939 965782 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*30<(-)*30<(+)*30<(-)*30>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*10[-]])*4
< 1319810942 891606 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 44.2
< 1319810959 293297 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*30<(-)*30<(+)*30<(-)*30>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319810962 650021 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 44.2
< 1319810963 657796 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: how does that not suicide on some playing fields?
< 1319810972 615464 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you check every third cell.
< 1319810977 651168 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: most programs set decoys near their flags
< 1319810984 799856 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it suicides if the opponent sets fewer than two decoys
< 1319810987 674368 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how many programs do that?
< 1319810999 853536 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My one, I think
< 1319811009 298247 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the basic idea of BF Joust, is that anything that opponents do consistently, you can take advantage of
< 1319811015 356676 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a program that sets no decoys typically won't do well
< 1319811016 383879 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of my bfjoust programs are some kind of rush clear-everything program.
< 1319811023 455422 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, you may as well assume that opposing programs tend to set decoys
< 1319811056 547471 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*30<(-)*30<(+)*30<(-)*30>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>)*99
< 1319811059 530193 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 44.2
< 1319811064 410949 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, my one isn't on the scoreboard any more
< 1319811067 942472 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I /thought/ that last bit made no difference
< 1319811072 822142 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: the real question is: would this beat space elevator?
< 1319811078 371677 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*30<(-)*30<(+)*30<(-)*30>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319811081 630044 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 44.2
< 1319811107 640910 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523__collision.bfjoust vs quintopia_space_elevator.bfjoust <><<>>>><<<<<<><>>><> <><<>>>><>><<<><>>><> -2 ais523__collision.bfjoust wins.
< 1319811117 146529 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: it does beat space_elevator, /just/
< 1319811145 25470 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :admirable work.
< 1319811172 785513 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely you could also suicide on some decoy patterns.
< 1319811191 485140 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, I just remembered why I don't open space_elevator in egojsout
< 1319811196 212431 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: yes, but nobody uses them
< 1319811198 381079 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps they should
< 1319811234 463229 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: space_elevator is the most beautiful jouster in terms of code elegance.
< 1319811242 519014 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think so?
< 1319811246 532457 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely.
< 1319811253 592936 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I have a tendency to make huge ridiculous jousters
< 1319811256 943254 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even provides comments!
< 1319811261 129170 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a soft spot for the short ones
< 1319811266 270167 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my long ones tend to be commented too
< 1319811301 60510 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing [ and ] jumps don't count as turns right?
< 1319811324 929235 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they did the complex logic of large jousters would be at a disadvantage to dumb rushers.
< 1319811330 422388 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each of [ and ] takes one step
< 1319811332 819929 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really fundamental
< 1319811336 855336 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh
< 1319811338 392266 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise there's no reason not to put [ and ] everywhere
< 1319811355 491036 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't at a disadvantage to dumb rushers, because dumb rushers are easily tricked
< 1319811369 286976 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to being dumb
< 1319811401 980512 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like they'd be moving too fast for you to do anything about them if your code has 20 nested loops.
< 1319811413 275143 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, that's the issue
< 1319811422 380252 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dumb rusher has issues determining if it's found the flag
< 1319811432 920210 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing something like [-] can hold you up for 510 cycles, worst-case
< 1319811443 54329 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely because of the time penalty of doing ]
< 1319811462 947298 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1319811472 11358 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there'd be no difference between the different kinds of clears otherwise
< 1319811478 689349 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :aside from the nops
< 1319811495 241520 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*30<(-)*20<(+)*20<(-)*30>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319811498 64457 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 40.7
< 1319811508 807385 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*30<(-)*30<(+)*40<(-)*30>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319811511 745618 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 41.4
< 1319811523 349117 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*33<(-)*33<(+)*33<(-)*33>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319811526 459518 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 43.7
< 1319811527 533097 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1319811537 109201 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*33<(-)*35<(+)*35<(-)*22>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319811540 166042 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 41.6
< 1319811545 897946 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just experimenting a bit
< 1319811554 892948 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*31<(-)*31<(+)*31<(-)*31>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319811558 90612 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 44.4
< 1319811568 35817 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should Pietbot do...
< 1319811568 965326 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*32<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*32>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319811572 29893 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 43.7
< 1319811577 895487 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :implement an esolang of your choice
< 1319811582 690286 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*32<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319811585 861962 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 44.4
< 1319811597 397960 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*33<(-)*33<(+)*33<(-)*22>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319811600 360219 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 42.3
< 1319811611 577727 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: run Piet programs via IRC command lines.
< 1319811611 945959 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*34<(-)*34<(+)*34<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319811614 862629 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 43.4
< 1319811624 216982 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*32<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319811627 446181 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 44.4
< 1319811634 102595 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's stick with that version for the decoy setup
< 1319811659 473515 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>>(-)*32<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*32<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319811662 410389 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 38.8
< 1319811668 668919 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming by using the same name over and over you're overwriting the old ones and therefore not jousting the 20 million old iterations of your program?
< 1319811681 243714 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, that loses to ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys
< 1319811682 634914 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by having four decoys
< 1319811685 614764 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: that's it
< 1319811687 849891 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*32<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319811691 15238 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 44.4
< 1319811722 823623 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>>>>(-)*32<<(-)*32<<(+)*32<<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319811725 676161 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 35.5
< 1319811731 414862 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just curious
< 1319811737 152310 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>>>>(-)*32<-<(-)*32<-<(+)*32<-<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319811740 322220 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 35.9
< 1319811744 670620 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*32<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319811748 35370 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 44.4
< 1319811755 782359 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have no idea why
< 1319811755 971889 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like that is indeed the perfect decoy setup
< 1319811820 472957 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried using different cell skip intervals?
< 1319811829 197169 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps a non-constant interval?
< 1319811876 671678 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but given the current competitors on the hill it's unlikely to make much difference
< 1319811891 406648 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much everyone checks for small decoys behind large ones nowadays
< 1319811918 360667 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er I was referring to your offense.
< 1319811924 306767 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1319811936 676105 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried different intervals, but not a varying one
< 1319811949 242893 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why a varying one would help, though, given the tape length randomization
< 1319811953 839408 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319811958 248996 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319812009 242210 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I can get collision to the top of the hill, anyway; its strategy is fundamentally beaten by slowpoke's
< 1319812032 51010 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I don't see how it would hurt though. basically the smaller tape lengths cut off your cell skip function.
< 1319812036 951379 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and FFSPG for much the same reason (they're similar programs, even if they were invented independently)
< 1319812041 730700 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I don't think it'd hurt either
< 1319812047 96342 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that you're using a suboptimal interval
< 1319812058 477306 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose, on longer tapes, the opponent will have had more time to set up decoys…
< 1319812086 445488 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's what I mean. the interval can change once it gets into longer tape lengths.
< 1319812091 614901 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*32<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*3(>>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*3(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319812094 588521 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 38.6
< 1319812095 939256 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's try it
< 1319812098 613296 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1319812105 270914 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't really seem to help…
< 1319812125 252945 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only tried one. :P
< 1319812135 979299 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*32<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*3(>>>>[([(+)*10[-]])*20])*3(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319812136 971811 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT KIND OF BFJOUST SCIENCE IS THAT.
< 1319812138 914555 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 29.3
< 1319812143 64001 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops
< 1319812146 75351 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*32<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*3(>>>>[([(+)*10[-]]>)*20])*3(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319812149 147416 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 40.7
< 1319812167 757784 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's just falling off the tape too much
< 1319812176 44053 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vast majority of programs don't set more decoys on longer tapes
< 1319812180 162077 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1319812196 586150 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*32<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319812199 682247 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 44.4
< 1319812223 389339 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'll try something a bit different, it'll probably hurt but might help
< 1319812259 871138 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*32<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[-[-[+++[+[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20]]]]])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319812262 903493 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 36.7
< 1319812268 787805 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, just loses too much speed
< 1319812272 934440 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319812285 303765 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*32<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[-[-[+++[+[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20]]]]<<])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319812288 446626 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 36.9
< 1319812306 913123 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*32<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[-[-[+++[+[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20]]]]>])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319812310 42805 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 41.7
< 1319812322 240859 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a bad tactic, just not as good as doing it the normal way
< 1319812330 488909 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*32<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[-[-[+++[+[([(+)*10[-]])*20]]]]>])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319812331 167067 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: on a longer tape the optimal thing to do would be to skip a large number of cells early, but on a short tape this is a bad idea.
< 1319812333 702573 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 30.0
< 1319812341 516664 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*32<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[-[-[+++[+[([(+)*10[-]]>)*20]]]]>])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319812344 711760 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 42.3
< 1319812344 783923 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... yeah. varying skip distance probably can't work for all tape lengths.
< 1319812347 594754 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: right
< 1319812402 451498 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*32<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319812405 717336 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 44.4
< 1319812416 395096 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's beginning to reach the point where I'll have to start targeting specific programs to do better
< 1319812443 443620 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :slowpoke is a good start.
< 1319812462 571645 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slowpoke's unbeatable with this strategy
< 1319812481 178714 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lays a large trail, which nullifies the advantage of skipping forwards
< 1319812489 839856 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and detecting it would /also/ nullify the advantage of skipping forwards
< 1319812524 55725 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: skip at distances that are a reverse of a fibonacci subsequence
< 1319812526 587193 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and, uh,
< 1319812527 624471 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1319812531 94524 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the extent of my idea
< 1319812540 159976 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't thought anything through. :P
< 1319812590 304286 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>>>>(+)*32<(-)*32<(-)*32<(-)*32<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319812593 359413 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 40.3
< 1319812605 376777 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>>>>(+)*32<(+)*32<(-)*32<(-)*32<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319812608 753877 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 41.6
< 1319812616 77947 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>>+>+>(+)*32<(+)*32<(-)*32<(-)*32<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319812619 229918 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 42.8
< 1319812627 566878 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying a really heavy decoy setup
< 1319812641 151837 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: try a fiboacci sequence decoy setup
< 1319812643 425455 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>>+>+>->(-)*32<(+)*32<(+)*32<(-)*32<(-)*32<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319812646 377063 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 42.9
< 1319812648 991237 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is better when it's a fibonacci sequence.
< 1319812654 166682 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>>+>+>->(-)*12<(+)*32<(+)*32<(-)*32<(-)*32<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319812657 558523 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 42.0
< 1319812687 762606 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>>+>+>->(-)*32<(+)*32<(+)*32<(-)*60<(-)*60<(-)*60<(+)*60<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319812690 917679 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 40.4
< 1319812707 580859 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :les  32 32 32 more 1 1 2 3 5 8 13
< 1319812707 952002 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>>+>+>->(-)*32<(+)*32<(+)*32<<<<<(-)*28>>>>(-)*60<(-)*60<(-)*60<(+)*60>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319812711 47984 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 41.3
< 1319812714 768848 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :less
< 1319812756 988222 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>>>>(+)*5<(+)*8<(-)*13<(-)*21<(-)*34<(+)*45<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319812759 932366 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 37.8
< 1319812762 973276 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319812763 887906 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy? (the 28 is on the flag)
< 1319812766 231634 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO REVERSE IT.
< 1319812777 723995 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, that's really stupid the way decoy setups work, but OK
< 1319812783 884611 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319812793 693298 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1319812794 102265 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>>>>(+)*45<(+)*34<(-)*21<(-)*13<(-)*8<(+)*5<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319812794 836464 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: oh, yes it is.
< 1319812795 209435 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1319812797 102204 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 34.4
< 1319812810 110073 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*32<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319812812 993795 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 44.4
< 1319812823 958622 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no reason for the decoys to differ in size at all, that I can see
< 1319812863 16593 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps to spend fewer steps setting them up
< 1319812896 568040 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*5>>>[<<<(-)*27<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4](-)*32<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*27<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319812898 451858 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also some jousters handle large/small decoys differently, or something.
< 1319812899 712649 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 42.9
< 1319812922 697902 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*5>+>+>[<<<(-)*27<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4](-)*32<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*27<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319812925 913440 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 42.6
< 1319812949 18083 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*5>+>->[<<<(-)*27<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4](-)*32<(-)*31<(+)*31<(-)*27<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319812952 133146 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 43.2
< 1319812954 489804 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319812974 370154 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pietbot is now registered
< 1319813006 574058 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision (-)*5>>>>>>[<<<(-)*27<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*23>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4](-)*6<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*32<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*23>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319813009 688811 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 40.1
< 1319813037 799860 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision (-)*5>>>>>>[<<<(-)*27<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*23>>>>>>(>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*10(>[(+)*100[+]])*5](-)*6<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*32<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*23>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319813040 789041 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 42.2
< 1319813058 239275 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision (-)*5>>>>>>[<<<(-)*27<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*23>>>>>>(>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*10(>[(+)*100[+]])*5](-)*6<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*32<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*23>>>>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*6(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319813061 185929 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 36.5
< 1319813074 783551 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision (-)*5>>>>>>[<<<(-)*27<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*23>>>>>>(>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*10(>[(+)*100[+]])*5](-)*6<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*32<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*23>>>>>>>(>>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*5(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319813077 897483 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 35.5
< 1319813085 856625 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that isn't really going to work all that well, I think
< 1319813093 822916 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*32<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319813096 846728 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 44.4
< 1319813101 673948 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not enough fibonacci
< 1319813123 525245 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop it!
< 1319813129 343231 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*50<(-)*50<(+)*50<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319813132 454825 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 40.1
< 1319813149 415653 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*32<(-)*100<(+)*100<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319813152 553722 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 38.7
< 1319813173 611767 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :try n!/2
< 1319813189 689129 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust collision >>>(-)*32<(-)*32<(+)*32<(-)*28>>>>>>(>>>[(>[(+)*10[-]])*20])*7(>[(+)*100[+]])*4
< 1319813192 796473 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523__collision: 44.4
< 1319813195 811907 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just leave it like that until I have any other amazing ideas
< 1319813197 235243 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee PART :#esoteric
< 1319813207 325370 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fac n = product [1..n] in map fac [1..]
< 1319813208 811939 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [1,2,6,24,120,720,5040,40320,362880,3628800,39916800,479001600,6227020800,8...
< 1319813232 668982 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fac n = product [1..n] in map (div 2 . fac) [1..]
< 1319813234 521911 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [2,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,...
< 1319813242 433068 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fac n = product [1..n] in map (flip div 2 . fac) [1..]
< 1319813244 344959 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [0,1,3,12,60,360,2520,20160,181440,1814400,19958400,239500800,3113510400,43...
< 1319813251 505696 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. best decoy setup.
< 1319813261 84865 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319813270 195451 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319813274 427341 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it isn't; 360 is an utterly mindblowingly stupid size for a decoy
< 1319813280 51608 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 2520 is even worse
< 1319813289 188283 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(making them more than 256 only makes sense as part of a lock algorithm)
< 1319813301 377207 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and even then, is generally suboptimal)
< 1319813303 595548 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fac n = product [1..n] in map (flip mod 256 . flip div 2 . fac) [1..]
< 1319813305 204735 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [0,1,3,12,60,104,216,192,192,128,128,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,...
< 1319813323 789208 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, outside lock algos, making them more than 128's a bit silly
< 1319813329 531080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319813332 417883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works!
< 1319813335 802672 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fac n = product [1..n] in map (flip mod 128 . flip div 2 . fac) [1..]
< 1319813337 426046 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [0,1,3,12,60,104,88,64,64,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0...
< 1319813338 150283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it doesn't!
< 1319813338 921360 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It = ?
< 1319813357 152906 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fac n = product [1..n] in map (\x -> fac x - fac (x-1)) [1..]
< 1319813358 355986 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [0,1,4,18,96,600,4320,35280,322560,3265920,36288000,439084800,5748019200,80...
< 1319813385 287689 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hurrah!
< 1319813392 606150 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no!
< 1319813396 446249 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't a good decoy setup either
< 1319813397 495362 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ?
< 1319813405 26907 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fac n = product [1..n] in map (\x -> (fac x - fac (x-1))/2) [1..]
< 1319813406 301931 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [0.0,0.5,2.0,9.0,48.0,300.0,2160.0,17640.0,161280.0,1632960.0,1.8144e7,2.19...
< 1319813411 595739 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fac n = product [1..n] in map (flip mod 128 . liftM2 (-) fac (fac . pred)) [1..]
< 1319813413 241074 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [0,1,4,18,96,88,96,80,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0...
< 1319813422 30308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky ~]$ ls -lh /etc/rc.d/noidentd
< 1319813422 102736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 890 Oct 28 15:46 /etc/rc.d/noidentd
< 1319813422 102899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky ~]$ cat /etc/rc.d/noinetd
< 1319813422 103006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: /etc/rc.d/noinetd: No such file or directory
< 1319813424 647650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the /fuck/?
< 1319813425 774732 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fac n = product [1..n] in map (\x -> (fac x - fac (x-1)) `div` 2) [1..]
< 1319813427 124003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [0,0,2,9,48,300,2160,17640,161280,1632960,18144000,219542400,2874009600,404...
< 1319813438 283001 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: noidentd != noinetd
< 1319813444 923934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1319813447 35673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite so
< 1319813460 372796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Client Quit
< 1319813464 780810 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319813470 556824 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fac n = sum [1..n] in map fac [1..]
< 1319813471 705262 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [1,3,6,10,15,21,28,36,45,55,66,78,91,105,120,136,153,171,190,210,231,253,27...
< 1319813474 839649 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, no ~
< 1319813485 986247 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319813487 94334 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but given that you're cloaked, the identd doesn't make a whole lot of sense
< 1319813502 970435 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I was under the impression that have to use interesting mathematical sequences to win at bfjoust
< 1319813505 905560 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fac n = sum [1..n] in map (flip mod 128 . fac) [1..]
< 1319813507 333926 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I misunderstand the game.
< 1319813507 747200 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [1,3,6,10,15,21,28,36,45,55,66,78,91,105,120,8,25,43,62,82,103,125,20,44,69...
< 1319813548 182429 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319813552 527438 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect.
< 1319813564 647346 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was right last time too
< 1319813572 823118 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it didn't start on boot.
< 1319813610 537347 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a fast reboot
< 1319813612 17295 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: that's a reasonable decoy sequence no?
< 1319813616 905952 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Yes, it was :)
< 1319813620 247197 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 might be too small
< 1319813636 334804 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 is sometimes OK for a first decoy
< 1319813641 738723 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem there is you're going to lose on short tapes
< 1319813751 74918 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't a decoy of 1 take more time to set up than it (in the best case scenario) affords?
< 1319813815 594284 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no; it sends the opponent into either a small decoy detection loop or their offset clear
< 1319813840 508278 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll typically gain 10-20 cycles if they offset clear, and around 3-10 for a small decoy detection loop (depending on if they get the polarity right first try or not)
< 1319813983 22262 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if bfjoust programs were sentient
< 1319813991 760827 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What bot prefix symbol should I use?
< 1319813998 72208 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"�"?
< 1319814004 343385 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think $ is in use here
< 1319814012 436433 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You should try my package it will give you endless money, riches, and ident.
< 1319814019 364425 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially money and riches.
< 1319814021 55810 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could win by creating a program that generates beautiful treatises on various topics of relevance to sentient computer culture.
< 1319814021 187094 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could always use zero-width-space
< 1319814039 730732 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you're feeling especially evil, right-to-left-override
< 1319814041 900998 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the enemies would hastily try to take notes.
< 1319814046 780285 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sit in awe.
< 1319814088 67036 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :The stan rune is the best character for anything.
< 1319814146 234773 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ or # would be good for an actual command prefix
< 1319814163 319470 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ( would be good in that it would be hilariously ugly.
< 1319814167 933201 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# often gets pasted in here
< 1319814175 125969 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as part of shell commands
< 1319814180 445349 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and lines often start with an opening paren)
< 1319814190 573619 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :) could work, I guess
< 1319814216 646117 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=53492 AW MAN LOOK AT THAT I'M LIKE SOME KIND OF MAGICIAN
< 1319814217 710555 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't $ start shell prompts?
< 1319814226 502027 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or end them rather.
< 1319814230 741213 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :INSTALL OR DIE
< 1319814233 499292 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, right
< 1319814238 92218 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been using too much OCaml recently
< 1319814242 635405 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has a # as its prompt
< 1319814257 40956 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why ident
< 1319814258 583721 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319814259 510646 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :# would be fine then, unless people start pasting a lot of CPP directives.
< 1319814277 574862 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You know how freenode and other IRC servers pause for a couple of seconds whenever you connect??
< 1319814281 956962 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No
< 1319814286 378980 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL THEY DO
< 1319814290 850731 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :An identd COMPLETELY ELIMINATES THAT WOOO
< 1319814298 847117 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO, the ~ before your username disappears on freenode.
< 1319814302 361843 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means you're special.
< 1319814309 942322 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, reconnections are instant now, this is so much less annoying.
< 1319814310 424761 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other words, no good reason
< 1319814322 895132 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOT IT THANKS
< 1319814334 401813 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's one yaourt and a vi /etc/conf.d/noidentd and an rc.d start noidentd!!!!
< 1319814343 975930 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's nothing!!!!! That's LESS THAN NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!
< 1319814407 39633 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :: would be a good command prefix, but could possibly conflict with :t
< 1319814515 62856 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but NOTHING is less than NOTHING!!!!!
< 1319814519 643625 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Surely YOU know the call of idents fine fellow????
< 1319814532 755302 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LET ME INTEREST YOU IN NOIDENTD, THE SMALLEST SELF-CONTAINED FAKE IDENTD ANYWHERE _OR YOU MONEY BACK!!!!!!_
< 1319814533 432901 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, I do now?
< 1319814559 881293 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :instant login does sound nice.
< 1319814571 445147 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not what an identd does, is it?
< 1319814574 208360 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/login/connect/
< 1319814622 446205 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: yes, it does
< 1319814630 16312 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode wastes like two to three seconds trying to connect to your identd
< 1319814634 339346 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it succeeds, it goes through instantly
< 1319814639 862880 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hit reconnect and watch the server log
< 1319814642 273962 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1319814644 401819 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it pauses after can't resolve hostname
< 1319814648 204987 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the identd connection
< 1319814655 259417 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't it do that for nickserv identifies, where it'd actually be useful?
< 1319814659 621868 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one installation of noidentd and CONNECTIONS ARE INSTANT FOREVER!!!!!!
< 1319814671 907870 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, all ports are firewalled or NATted inbound on all connections i use
< 1319814673 466270 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :typically both
< 1319814675 379026 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: because irc is stupid
< 1319814677 663064 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1319814678 868898 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU COULD
< 1319814678 982100 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ER
< 1319814681 377584 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMMIT!!!!!
< 1319814682 329961 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so noidentd wouldn't be particularly useful
< 1319814685 445147 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet FINE FELLOW!!!!
< 1319814695 278506 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to sleep...
< 1319814700 682937 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE LATER GENTLEPERSON.
< 1319814710 60595 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOOD DAAAAAMN IIIIIT
< 1319814722 722001 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is a very good damn it.
< 1319814728 187881 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE BEST
< 1319814734 928283 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant SLIGHTLY LESS FINE FELLOW!
< 1319814738 148182 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You all suck.
< 1319814757 473862 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm running splint on your code
< 1319814764 106308 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :noidentd is some kind of botnet virus isn't it?
< 1319814825 883565 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: splint complains about everything, but it's pretty unobjectionable code :P
< 1319814905 164413 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finished checking --- 28 code warnings
< 1319814905 294187 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :   34 internal bugs reported
< 1319814909 858203 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D
< 1319814911 629194 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gimme the report
< 1319814912 555798 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't like /usr/include/bits/confname.h
< 1319814918 893481 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But ais523_ can attest to splint's uselessness :P
< 1319814946 349281 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: These line numbers won't match, I had to un-C99 your variable declarations
< 1319814948 27045 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it would be very useful if it weren't so buggy
< 1319814952 285904 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: lol
< 1319814973 858246 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1319814978 679480 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way that splint detected more bugs in itself than in elliott's code
< 1319814979 314157 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319814984 209190 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I like the way that splint detected more bugs in itself than in elliott's code
< 1319814985 950328 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1319814992 255063 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319814996 246312 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOOK AT MY SPEEEEDY RECONNECTS
< 1319814998 240533 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops
< 1319815043 618485 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.230.99 NICK :elliott
< 1319815045 577165 :elliott!elliott@95.149.230.99 QUIT :Changing host
< 1319815045 649681 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319815068 867192 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, at what reporting level?
< 1319815073 293298 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319815082 774734 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal!!! Tell me you're on an Arch machine.
< 1319815084 475076 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, also was that per line of code or in total?
< 1319815086 516039 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Report: http://sprunge.us/Uied  Modified code: http://sprunge.us/GaDZ
< 1319815103 6034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nope, I'm on ubuntu on my laptop and windows 7 on my desktop atm. Playing ARMA 2
< 1319815103 897197 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Command line: $ splint +posixlib -systemdirs /usr/include -systemdirerrors +trytorecover noidentd.c)
< 1319815105 996982 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hahaha jesus
< 1319815121 914704 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It compiles with clang -std=c99 -pedantic -Wall -Wextra, that's good enough for me :P
< 1319815127 354693 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, as in, without warning
< 1319815131 741203 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Without the +trytorecover it just dies on the first internal bug)
< 1319815138 746107 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice
< 1319815142 298268 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why did you want me to be on an arch machine?
< 1319815153 546000 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in global scope as expected: Un-unparseable context: 10
< 1319815156 999515 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: NOIDENTD!!!! It's the best identd since sliced identd!!! But it's not an identd!!
< 1319815167 401104 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what?
< 1319815218 424341 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Okay it's running but I'm not going to reconnect
< 1319815231 674746 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Just connect with another client :P
< 1319815253 991393 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and also it's not going to help at all, heh
< 1319815259 16990 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firewall?
< 1319815274 862513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you made no sense
< 1319815279 515086 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This machine != the machine my keyboard is attached to
< 1319815283 343084 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: lol
< 1319815303 746077 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I made total sense, sorry
< 1319815326 583678 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Make a Solaris 10 package kthx
< 1319815346 278872 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Observe the Makefile that installs a grand total of one file to the system :P
< 1319815360 909689 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But I need service configuration!!
< 1319815362 383509 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why are you not using tup?!
< 1319815370 490185 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: True!!!!!!
< 1319815378 879131 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Couldn't be fucked to install it!!!!!!!!!!!!
< 1319815395 779961 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=35320
< 1319815398 453172 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's orphaned??/
< 1319815399 412170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is like cp tup ~/bin after building it
< 1319815406 585919 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh never used aur for tup
< 1319815418 620313 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I do not install anything outside the package manager now.
< 1319815420 523068 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is so blissful.
< 1319815423 764529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just built it in my home dir and copied to ~/bin
< 1319815435 7513 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :All language-specific packaging tools are DEAD to me. DEAD.
< 1319815439 36958 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in
< 1319815443 985981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I use package manager for everything outside $HOME, with a few /opt exceptions such as nwn
< 1319815453 646028 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://aur.archlinux.org/ Hahaha I wonder if anyone's seen my package
< 1319815460 600144 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I can track download counts
< 1319815463 893325 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you are on arch linux?
< 1319815467 257030 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1319815470 212702 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gentoo.
< 1319815480 443521 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't believe that
< 1319815480 558735 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Debian.
< 1319815482 918825 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Gentoo/Debian.
< 1319815488 290091 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With Solaris userland.
< 1319815492 498003 :FireFly!firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319815492 679275 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1319815494 10215 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And DragonflyBSD kernel.
< 1319815510 357004 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which part is from debian then?
< 1319815527 738734 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: /etc/debian_version
< 1319815535 426506 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and the bit from gentoo?
< 1319815550 93361 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/tty4
< 1319815555 319940 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1319815599 581097 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH YEAH I was going to ask
< 1319815602 57639 :FireFly!firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat, hostname tilde begone
< 1319815610 338986 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: omg bffs 4eva <3
< 1319815628 391621 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I was saying,
< 1319815642 495642 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What do I have to get you to do to click the thing on AUR so that I can update the C-INTERCAL package :)
< 1319815657 85029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Have I mentioned I'm not installing anything outside the package manager any more?)
< 1319815677 606589 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: P.S. You just installed the most secretest rootkit ever.
< 1319815680 670393 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, c-intercal updated? I was unaware, I will deal with it tomorrow. Won't be on arch until then.
< 1319815683 73735 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's so secret it doesn't even exist.)
< 1319815696 272002 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It updated months ago, you are an irresponsible maintainer!
< 1319815723 658682 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also your package doesn't use package() but I dunno if that's new or not.
< 1319815725 309778 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I wasn't notified. I do check the usenet channel every week or so
< 1319815740 751364 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, package() is quite new I think yeah.
< 1319815742 385397 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"usenet channel"?
< 1319815753 820438 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://groups.google.com/group/alt.lang.intercal/browse_thread/thread/3c17bc59ad7e44a7#
< 1319815760 114883 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were notified in April
< 1319815763 53114 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, alt.lang.intercal
< 1319815768 861589 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "channel"? seriously?
< 1319815780 260234 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, err, too tired
< 1319815785 551223 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"newsgroup" is the correct term; "group" is acceptable
< 1319815791 619549 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh right, my desktop broke around then. Probably why I missed it.
< 1319815795 327705 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"forum" is not really acceptable but people have been seen using it on occasion
< 1319815798 120216 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: This is the best IRC group on esoteric languages there is.
< 1319815799 741127 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "channel" is just bizarre
< 1319815809 376031 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also, you're using a suboptimal download mechanism in the package
< 1319815813 901656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, I'm just tired. Don't try to read anything into it
< 1319815815 931829 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ?
< 1319815828 325898 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: HTTP
< 1319815847 159254 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The state-of-the-art C-INTERCAL distribution mechanism is gopher/IPv6.
< 1319815849 69744 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you didn't mark c-intercal out of date anyway. You could have done that.
< 1319815853 481011 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over UDP I guess.
< 1319815866 16929 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I only noticed today going to install c-intercal as an innocent, delicate flower.
< 1319815869 601248 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas I am now withered.
< 1319815870 346780 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl \c -> (c:) <$> optional (char c)
< 1319815870 881716 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftM2 (<$>) (:) (optional . char)
< 1319815871 219220 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the issue is that makepkg only does http and ftp to my knowledge
< 1319815880 37970 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Patch makepkg
< 1319815886 136256 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the only way
< 1319815901 624234 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: try drinking some water
< 1319815902 519532 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you do it and submit it to upstream, I'm not going to care.
< 1319815912 225394 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been known to revive flowers from apparently fatal wilting before like that
< 1319815915 853261 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But you might care in the past?
< 1319815921 302072 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the present?
< 1319815922 178461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ...
< 1319815924 807663 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no
< 1319815930 771695 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I weep.
< 1319815934 675964 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I thought I was upstream
< 1319815941 994834 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is there another stream between?
< 1319815951 144102 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, upstream for the packaging utilities
< 1319815960 376293 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, if elliott wants it to support gopher/ipv6
< 1319815967 902730 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :them*
< 1319815978 291864 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: err, the distribution isn't /only/ on gopher over IPv6
< 1319815986 531844 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that when it first came out, I needed somewhere to put it
< 1319815997 607562 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and someone happened to have an IPv6 gopher server and asked if they could host it there
< 1319816003 43772 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, I know. It was elliott who said I should use gopher/ipv6 because http was "suboptimal"
< 1319816007 55116 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it seemed a pretty appropriate set of protocols
< 1319816012 181011 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, he is just messing around.
< 1319816105 434635 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I don't know why you support deprecated protocols like HTTP.
< 1319816110 587543 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPv4 has all run out.
< 1319816155 186528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ipv4/ipv6 is a completely unrelated issue to gopher/http
< 1319816196 933522 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I doubt you'll be able to convince many computer-literate people that HTTP is deprecated in favour of gopher
< 1319816222 601450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, someone needs to implement git-over-gopher
< 1319816225 373111 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preferably push-capable
< 1319816230 784231 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait
< 1319816233 443384 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tla-over-gopher
< 1319816243 116976 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Move C-INTERCAL over to tla-over-gopher version control
< 1319816266 767708 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1319816284 847705 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly, we need to get sg implemented as the new standard, here
< 1319816290 602759 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sg/gopher
< 1319816312 166182 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sg is really boring, it doesn't even have its own sync protocol :'(
< 1319816343 697199 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or hmm
< 1319816349 771847 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it started to have one, actually
< 1319816436 864134 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is tla-over-gopher anyways?
< 1319816447 89224 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: tla is a version control system
< 1319816463 889055 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and putting it over gopher means using gopher to transmit the information needed for pulls and pushes
< 1319816724 989605 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gopher is particularly suitable for serving files; it is not very suitable to do the other way around, however, but there are a few exceptions.
< 1319816935 287199 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty (concat .) . zipWith (\a b -> [a,b])
< 1319816936 148405 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b. [b] -> [b] -> [b]
< 1319816949 455153 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Does that^ still not exist anywhere
< 1319816967 305356 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm
< 1319816983 684859 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to my knowledge, but I can't help but feel there must be a nicer way
< 1319816995 787760 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t zipWith (\a b xs -> a:b:xs)
< 1319816997 220578 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b. [b] -> [b] -> [[b] -> [b]]
< 1319817007 392431 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The practical way is to write it with manual recursion :-P
< 1319817011 361667 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \xs ys -> foldr ($) [] $ zipWith (\a b xs -> a:b:xs) xs ys
< 1319817012 461423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [a] -> [a] -> [a]
< 1319817025 780259 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ala Endo concatMap .: zipWith (\a b xs -> a:b:xs) xs ys
< 1319817027 10259 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `xs'
< 1319817027 83150 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `ys'
< 1319817027 422287 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ala Endo concatMap .: zipWith (\a b xs -> a:b:xs)
< 1319817028 773998 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match expected type `Endo a' against inferred type `[b]'
< 1319817028 854007 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :      Expected type: (a -> a) -> Endo a
< 1319817028 926177 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :      Inferred type: (a -> a) -> [b]
< 1319817032 66561 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it probably shouldn't use zip as it could take the remainder when one list runs out
< 1319817037 332910 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ala EndoconcatMap
< 1319817038 473796 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: data constructor `EndoconcatMap'
< 1319817041 587270 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ala Endo concatMap
< 1319817042 802251 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match expected type `Endo a' against inferred type `[b]'
< 1319817043 36826 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :      Expected type: (a -> a) -> Endo a
< 1319817043 108958 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :      Inferred type: (a -> a) -> [b]
< 1319817045 477206 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ala Endo foldMap .: zipWith (\a b xs -> a:b:xs)
< 1319817046 603173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `foldMap'
< 1319817048 329472 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_<
< 1319817052 519340 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty ala
< 1319817053 300719 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall o n b n' o'. (Newtype n o, Newtype n' o') => (o -> n) -> ((o -> n) -> b -> n') -> b -> o'
< 1319817054 54345 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ala Endo Data.Foldable.foldMap .: zipWith (\a b xs -> a:b:xs)
< 1319817055 233690 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b. [b] -> [b] -> [b] -> [b]
< 1319817060 69069 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Perf... wait, what
< 1319817063 692033 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D
< 1319817066 193630 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1319817074 907862 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ($ []) . ala Endo foldMap .: zipWith (\a b xs -> a:b:xs)
< 1319817076 159893 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `foldMap'
< 1319817081 100696 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ($ []) . ala Endo Data.Foldable.foldMap .: zipWith (\a b xs -> a:b:xs)
< 1319817082 415353 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b. [b] -> [b] -> [b]
< 1319817087 17208 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Perfect
< 1319817143 465171 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (($ []) . ala Endo Data.Foldable.foldMap .: zipWith (\a b xs -> a:b:xs)) "abc" "123"
< 1319817144 964812 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "123"
< 1319817146 986006 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Try again
< 1319817158 371381 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ($ []) .: ala Endo foldMap .: zipWith (\a b xs -> a:b:xs)
< 1319817159 626018 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `foldMap'
< 1319817162 66666 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dfjk
< 1319817162 713773 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gho
< 1319817163 435487 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :em,l;
< 1319817168 74422 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ($ []) .: ala Endo Data.Foldable.foldMap .: zipWith (\a b xs -> a:b:xs)
< 1319817169 359853 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b. [b] -> [b] -> [b]
< 1319817175 160544 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (/\/)
< 1319817175 295150 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found
< 1319817187 288610 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try hayoo
< 1319817258 537789 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No luck
< 1319817647 587333 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :May I test Pietbot?
< 1319817660 1296 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure who you're asking for permission
< 1319817662 628283 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you need to ask
< 1319817666 173071 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll stand by ready to kick it if it goes berserk
< 1319817667 87835 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Channel in general
< 1319817670 75295 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you think it's necessary
< 1319817705 347437 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geh, aurget is just too fragile for me
< 1319817708 230634 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying yaorut
< 1319817709 406019 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaourt
< 1319817711 888175 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck that name
< 1319817717 781396 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaourt --sucre
< 1319817721 609220 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck that option
< 1319817742 583005 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bad option :-/
< 1319817752 314780 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Start counting the days until I write my own libalpm/AUR thing
< 1319817758 56773 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are numbered
< 1319817773 845002 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is AUR anyway?
< 1319817774 838900 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it had just -y instead of -fyy it'd be better
< 1319817783 516812 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Arachnids Understanding Rodents
< 1319817790 147201 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: -fyy?
< 1319817794 820748 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: -fyy
< 1319817798 88187 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What
< 1319817806 325423 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Arch User Repository
< 1319817824 466222 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's equivalent to -Sfyyua --devel
< 1319817834 843655 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Notice "fyy"
< 1319817835 911281 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Have I mentioned I don't like yaourt
< 1319817841 553124 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it -fyy is like force yes yes
< 1319817844 57488 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something
< 1319817844 830902 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a joke
< 1319817847 767084 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-f is force
< 1319817856 43606 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-y is the normal pacman -y
< 1319817858 26595 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is sucre actually meant to be, even as a joke
< 1319817861 571978 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think -yy also is, I think
< 1319817872 669613 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe not
< 1319817874 1877 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, why does everybody mindlessly copy pacman's basic command structure
< 1319817876 566493 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of shit
< 1319817885 548023 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, -yy is "force update of package databases"
< 1319817894 268006 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. overwrite them even if they appear to be up to date
< 1319817895 14798 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh,r ight
< 1319817898 257084 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/r / r/
< 1319817909 337796 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Because having them be more or less drop-in replacements of each other is handy :-P
< 1319817938 556682 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yeah, but they offer like two things, AUR building, and an improved UI
< 1319817939 623034 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://translate.google.com/#fr|en|yaourt%20sucre
< 1319817941 399568 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're doing the latter...
< 1319817949 97739 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes
< 1319817951 873755 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realise it is French :P
< 1319817958 159277 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't get the joke of the option itself
< 1319817960 527314 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., why it does that
< 1319817977 249202 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like syntactic sugar except it's pactactic sugar
< 1319817978 684433 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1319818025 598757 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky yaourt]$ makepkg -s
< 1319818025 929176 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :==> Making package: yaourt 0.10.2-1 (Fri Oct 28 17:06:24 BST 2011)
< 1319818026 1697 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :==> Checking runtime dependencies...
< 1319818026 1862 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :==> Installing missing dependencies...
< 1319818026 1969 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: target not found: package-query>=0.7
< 1319818026 287261 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :==> ERROR: 'pacman' failed to install missing dependencies.
< 1319818038 449095 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dependencies on other AUR packages
< 1319818039 432583 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So great
< 1319818042 134405 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So simple
< 1319818083 688409 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a couple of the helpers use that
< 1319818090 69683 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure though
< 1319818117 601866 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea of writing my own on top of libalpm As God Intended is annoyingly prominent at this point :P
< 1319818167 826672 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"man libalpm" is uh
< 1319818171 860720 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It references a bunch of section manpagse
< 1319818173 392865 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That don't exist
< 1319818420 472464 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I like how yaourt has bash_completion support but it's so slow that it actually just makes you regret having a tab key
< 1319818429 355385 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish that was my typical hyperbole
< 1319818484 411056 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use bash nor yaourt's completion :-P
< 1319818550 238889 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: perldoc does that too
< 1319818559 320250 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although hitting control-C at a judiciously timed moment
< 1319818560 541941 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helps
< 1319818603 651877 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn
< 1319818617 86427 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I get my bot to use netcat?
< 1319818632 419252 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :noidentd-git is now onto pkgrev=5 :P
< 1319818648 802690 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: If you upgrade, you'll get an EXCITING NEW NOTHING.
< 1319818658 97224 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want some sort of two way pipe?
< 1319818661 410674 :FireFly!firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omgz
< 1319818666 292840 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: nc -e
< 1319818673 426479 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why is bash a dep
< 1319818675 710846 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: nc -e 'piet mybot' irc.freenode.net 6667
< 1319818682 867763 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that's one possibility (use mkfifo to make a fifo, then you can make a pipe go round in a circle); but elliott's suggestion is better
< 1319818684 633809 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: install -D -m755 noidentd.rc.d "$pkgdir/etc/rc.d/noidentd"
< 1319818695 761959 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're using a version of nc whose author things -e is a massive security bug
< 1319818698 236098 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Well, it's not that better; if FIFOs weren't gross they'd be better
< 1319818700 870792 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it can easily be used to make a reverse shell
< 1319818710 367897 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if tie was installed on the system :-)
< 1319818715 406412 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So it's a makedep?
< 1319818725 800217 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: No? /etc/rc.d/noidentd is a bash script
< 1319818730 32406 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It runs at startup/etc.
< 1319818739 304295 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's a runtime dependency
< 1319818747 894380 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1319818759 571324 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nc: invalid option -- 'e'
< 1319818759 779250 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is nc from the netcat-openbsd package. An alternative nc is available
< 1319818759 852084 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the netcat-traditional package.
< 1319818764 224964 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: BTW, the official package-bug-checker-thing told me to put it there
< 1319818780 21605 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah but it's not always right
< 1319818788 382470 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: install netcat-traditional, echo '#!/bin/sh' >mybot; echo 'piet mybot.piet' >>mybot; chmod +x mybot
< 1319818793 192268 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nc -e 'piet mybot' irc.freenode.net 6667
< 1319818795 181673 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: How's it wrong here
< 1319818804 378367 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: An rc.d script is just as much a runtime thing as a /usr/bin executable
< 1319818810 490060 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know, I'm just thinking
< 1319818825 227390 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would prefer it just depend on any shell rather than bash but all the other rc.d scripts do it like this too :)
< 1319818837 999833 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks everything still works.

< 1319818840 181483 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1319818846 47235 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Most rc.d scripts of mine don't seem to depend on bash or sh
< 1319818859 382922 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: See shebang
< 1319818874 606845 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I just mean the packages themselves
< 1319818878 618316 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1319818882 835095 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like a bug to me
< 1319818892 919861 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't run without bash
< 1319818897 106067 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, sure, you can just not use the rc.d script
< 1319818902 354636 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you could just "not use" something in /usr/bin too
< 1319818906 72959 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still a missing dependency
< 1319818908 683716 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you answered the telephone by:  "I'm sorry, you must have a wrong number. I don't have a telephone."
< 1319818912 323074 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You depend on /etc/rc.d/functions but not initscripts
< 1319818917 432189 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's Debian, then scripts are allowed to assume that "essential" packages are installed, and I think that includes dash
< 1319818922 740140 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (As, presumably, do all/most of these packages)
< 1319818929 406376 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh, that's another bug
< 1319818930 333097 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't think so; however, it might even be correct if you answered a payphone like that
< 1319818934 130423 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or someone else's telephone
< 1319818934 323678 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fair enough :-)
< 1319819001 942585 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :noidentd-git W: Dependency bash included but already satisfied
< 1319819002 54631 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :noidentd-git W: Dependency included and not needed ('initscripts')
< 1319819008 839006 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319819014 98628 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmmmm
< 1319819022 666104 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I wonder why it's complaining about that, it should see the filename if it sees bash
< 1319819031 307440 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it just uses special-case hacks
< 1319819031 691409 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I told you it's not always right
< 1319819090 676926 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :enigma includes different floors !
< 1319819091 67550 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=53492
< 1319819091 992129 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go
< 1319819095 727619 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: :D
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< 1319819121 840758 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I suppose so. In which places could I find a payphone?
< 1319819163 741013 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in the UK, they still exist, but are quite rare nowadays; they are mostly found on busy roads with a lot of pedestrians
< 1319819227 783123 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Tell me I'll regret writing my own libalpm ditty
< 1319819232 890808 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need it :(
< 1319819235 424206 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You'll regret it
< 1319819238 866449 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Why
< 1319819249 369012 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, you told me to say that
< 1319819258 504412 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319819260 124267 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unconvincing
< 1319819269 19329 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't believe python is actually python3 on Arch
< 1319819503 636369 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Give me DS9K values for INT_MIN, INT_MAX, UINT_MAX, LONG_MIN, LONG_MAX, ULONG_MAX, LLONG_MIN, LLONG_MAX, and ULLONG_MAX; thanks in advance
< 1319819531 28197 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You're not going to decide values for them dynamically based on static analysis?
< 1319819560 984139 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... no.
< 1319819585 112278 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free to file a feature request if this ever gets that close to being finished
< 1319819599 839196 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: how many bits is a char?
< 1319819618 406716 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Undecided
< 1319819625 402830 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is this a C89 or C99 version? you should definitely make it use one's-complement with trap representation, for all the types that let you do that
< 1319819629 13096 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :C1X
< 1319819638 172539 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You're not going to get anywhere interesting just by picking weird rangse
< 1319819639 583032 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ranges
< 1319819642 958586 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost 100 years old? boring
< 1319819668 361773 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say plain int should be equivalent to short, and between 17 and 31 bits wide
< 1319819678 486936 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as that's going to catch more programs than making it unusually large
< 1319819686 593517 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Where did I say that this is the only DS9K thing I'll do
< 1319819688 918253 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably sizeof(int) == 3 is the value to go for
< 1319819690 813886 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :char should be as big as a short, int as small as a short
< 1319819696 893500 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, fair enough
< 1319819700 329753 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sizeof has no relation to the min/max values
< 1319819716 529206 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd go for 17-bit chars, shorts ant ints
< 1319819716 980745 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it does for the unsigned types, doesn't it?
< 1319819719 795012 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ant/and/
< 1319819722 653897 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Does it?
< 1319819726 882889 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then 129-bit longs
< 1319819732 990952 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is from memory, and I'm far from 100% confident
< 1319819739 697211 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shorts being equal to ints seems a bit forgiving
< 1319819741 65927 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of them one's-complement-with-trap
< 1319819742 424437 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can do that
< 1319819760 964057 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need these values so that I can give types to integer literals :-P
< 1319819763 58711 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :All even bits are padding.
< 1319819772 889124 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what about sizeof(short)==2, sizeof(int)==3, sizeof(long)==something that isn't representable in an int?
< 1319819786 482298 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sizeof is not a matter of interest to me right now
< 1319819795 646186 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless sizeof and the min/max truly are dependent
< 1319819797 602614 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: well, it determines the bounds that are possible on the integers
< 1319819809 612776 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't have a max-min more than 2 to the power of sizeof * CHAR_BIT
< 1319819819 810098 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have less, though.
< 1319819827 987360 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but not in all cases
< 1319819835 29778 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsigned char you definitely have to use every bit
< 1319819835 560375 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't I freely pad the sizeof
< 1319819838 209440 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure about unsigned int
< 1319819839 45448 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for chars
< 1319819851 513150 :ais523_!93bcc018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor about signed char
< 1319819890 511077 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh, AUR Haskell packages do shared objects but not profiling
< 1319819896 784160 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For unsigned integer types other than unsigned char, the bits of the object representation shall be divided into two groups: value bits and padding bits (there need not be any of the latter)."
< 1319819905 149777 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For signed integer types without exception.
< 1319819918 104308 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And also there is a sign bit.)
< 1319819984 506269 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, there are N value bits thus giving the possible values 0 through 2^N - 1
< 1319820017 962489 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But with padding the sizeof can be anything bigger
< 1319820028 213804 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, at least in C99, you have to in fact use all the value bits to represent a binary number, and only the "second zero" (for one's-complement, or sign-and-magnitude) can be a trap representation.
< 1319820063 601160 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "Some combinations of padding bits might generate trap representations"
< 1319820086 655566 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some combinations of padding bits might generate trap representations, for example, if one padding bit is a parity bit. Regardless, no arithmetic operation on valid values can generate a trap representation other than as part of an exceptional condition such as an overflow, and this cannot occur with unsigned types. All other combinations of padding bits are alternative object representations of the value specified by the value bits.
< 1319820089 299600 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. But you can't have a value range of, say, [-22222, 33333].
< 1319820103 766744 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I can't.
< 1319820164 115463 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That footnote is duplicated at least in this C1X draft, amusingly.)
< 1319820182 882798 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prime powers of two for the elegance, maybe.
< 1319820411 72679 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do unsigned numbers have to be able to represent up to 2^(N+1)-1 where 2^N-1 is the max of the corresponding signed type?
< 1319820459 880094 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if there are M value bits in the signed type and N in the unsigned type, then M <= N"
< 1319820502 306143 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could have signeds represent [-n,n] and unsigneds represent [0,n], then.
< 1319820715 206968 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :11-bit chars, 17-bit shorts, 19-bit ints, 37-bit longs, and 67-bit long longs
< 1319820862 932132 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I've got a hat on
< 1319820877 961003 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I act like Gregor, maybe I'll get some of Gregor's skills
< 1319820958 306469 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle Ord a => (a,a) -> a -> Bool
< 1319820958 969600 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Ix inRange :: Ix a => (a, a) -> a -> Bool
< 1319820959 41822 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.Regex.Base.RegexLike extract :: Extract source => (Int, Int) -> source -> source
< 1319820959 114970 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Graph.Inductive.Graph gelem :: Graph gr => Node -> gr a b -> Bool
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< 1319822054 495480 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another Arabic Part (possibly used with equatorial coordinates too) could be:  Midheaven - Sun + 0Libra (no flip)   I should make Astroplot capable of user defining generalized Arabic Parts, which can be whatever you want, instead of only the 177 parts that Astrolog supports. You can write your own suggestions too. From Wikipedia it is clear that astrology and astronomy program are both inadequate; that is why I have my own idea. Swiss Ephemeri
< 1319822118 94711 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Astrolog also seems to have errors in its documentation, as well as some bugs I have found in the program.
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< 1319822243 935476 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The document says to use -s (sidereal zodiac) when using -sr (equatorial right ascension) but actually that not only has no effect on that mode, but right ascensions are relative to the vernal equinox anyways.
< 1319822286 15231 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it would be wrong to use sidereal zodiac mode with it if you wanted the standard right ascensions values.
< 1319822468 251168 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I have a feeling someone in real life has actually done the [-n, n] signed, [0, n] unsiged thing, on a system where all arithmetic is signed. It might be more unexpected to have, say, values of [-n/4+1, n/4-1] for signed and [0, n-1] for unsigned, for n = 2^k.
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< 1319822523 843873 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What was this all about, incidentally? Were you writing a DS9K simulator?
< 1319822569 36318 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm glacially writing a DS9K implementation of C, in Haskell
< 1319822716 985417 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1319822721 748156 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a DS9K?
< 1319822749 315873 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The DeathStation 9000 (often abbreviated DS9K) is a hypothetical computer architecture often used as part of a discussion about the portability of computer code (often C code). It is imagined to be as obstructive and unhelpful as possible, whilst still conforming to any relevant standards, deliberately acting unexpectedly whenever possible."
< 1319822766 126367 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
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< 1319823058 657911 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-118.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. *Clearly* the DS9K should have each pointer type with distinct representation.
< 1319823090 451383 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah yeah been there donr that
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< 1319823291 610470 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I suppose it should
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< 1319824421 94274 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sigh, AUR Haskell packages do shared objects but not profiling
< 1319824423 626863 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I retract this
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< 1319824694 346495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so why are you using arch linux?
< 1319824711 326213 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I mean you don't really seem to be the type to enjoy arch linux
< 1319824726 102984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's way better than Gentoo/Debian/Solaris/DragonflyBSD
< 1319824743 212299 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and I'm considering switching to nixos in the future, once it gets more mature. Currently it is somewhat buggy and incomplete from my experience.
< 1319824813 500549 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But honestly, the real reason is that it has a newer ghc than Debian
< 1319824828 703515 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, please don't tell me you are using this on the vps!?
< 1319824850 46718 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. That's Debian stable as always.
< 1319824861 269306 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, speaking of which, how did you solve the haskell issue on there?
< 1319824864 671354 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ghc issue rather
< 1319824870 564035 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't
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< 1319824879 210697 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what did you do instead?
< 1319824915 309922 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Used a cron plugin for bukkit
< 1319824918 276601 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1319824924 523307 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ok, it uses cron4j
< 1319824932 82245 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a feature-for-feature reimplementation :P
< 1319824952 20120 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like the only place I can think of where that is useful
< 1319825056 524067 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1319825070 209824 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the advantage is, it can call java code
< 1319825072 907558 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than executables
< 1319825086 558571 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I mean, there are far better interfaces for scheduling systems to embed in your application than a crontab file
< 1319825099 51261 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, they're flexible
< 1319825103 848642 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah
< 1319825104 380342 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a programmatic API too
< 1319825125 29695 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense
< 1319825178 479716 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, have fun with arch. #archlinux is, while not friendly, acceptable.
< 1319825191 656617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use distro irc
< 1319825200 612411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :good choice
< 1319825206 272768 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is an automated faq dispensal mechanism
< 1319825210 57311 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with more yelling
< 1319825214 235960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite
< 1319825214 308152 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all it
< 1319825225 977070 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should join #ubuntu, I assume it's the best place.
< 1319825230 500965 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the arch linux wiki tends to be surprisingly good
< 1319825234 728350 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the large selection of haskell packages in aur has me happy
< 1319825241 340112 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki is nice
< 1319825251 450547 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rc.d/rc.conf/inittab/etc. is acceptable
< 1319825254 305571 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so eh
< 1319825256 708350 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm happy
< 1319825264 529852 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, iirc #ubuntu is the largest channel around the time of new releases, otherwise it tends to be the second largest after #gentoo. Might have changed, haven't been in either for ages
< 1319825305 957675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, rc.d... Well I have a minor issue with that, I get confused when switching between ubuntu and arch, I mix up the tab complete for init.d and rc.d.
< 1319825306 740238 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ aptitude search '^libghc.*-dev$' | wc -l
< 1319825306 812544 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :232
< 1319825306 812763 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sadly they're all from the third century BCE.)
< 1319825350 734152 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway arch linux init system has a major fault in my opinion. That fault is that the ordering is up to you in the DAEMONS array. It doesn't do deps between services.
< 1319825365 395055 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: of -uptodate- packages
< 1319825380 627317 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (a) I have a proper issue with it: It's not a service management system.
< 1319825387 434740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there is that too
< 1319825392 247 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b) Meh, I don't have enough daemons for that to matter much, but it's imperfect.
< 1319825400 826455 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAEMONS=(syslog-ng @network @alsa @noidentd crond)
< 1319825403 53820 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://p.zem.fi/zpkb <- freenode top5 when I /list'd, but this was quite a long while ago.
< 1319825418 305200 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: /list is not impressive, you know.
< 1319825428 719359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it also prevents fully concurrent starting. You can basically do run in background or blocking start. So you can do some concurrency and ordering. But you can't do deps between those starting in the bg
< 1319825431 928049 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskell is up there nowadays, at least top 20
< 1319825453 552240 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 8th in that listing.
< 1319825489 684060 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have a decent init/service manager time, just haven't been bothered to implement it :)
< 1319825496 21338 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ditto for package manager.
< 1319825518 772071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anything wrong with nixos package manager?
< 1319825529 5836 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1319825532 381066 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For one, it's C++
< 1319825538 397932 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay, apart from that?
< 1319825569 827612 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that is another issue with nixos, while /bin/sh is there, stuff like /bin/bash or /usr/bin/env bash or /usr/bin/python are quite common in #! too
< 1319825570 803854 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it implements my higher-order package model
< 1319825593 162942 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, higer-order packages? How does that work?
< 1319825606 774351 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simple, packages take all their configuration as parameters
< 1319825619 630675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, like compilation flags?
< 1319825619 816927 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Configuration includes, e.g. what specific packages to use to satisfy a generic dependency
< 1319825629 616182 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1319825630 630229 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sure, and package-specific stuff
< 1319825635 349471 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :build-profiling-libs, etc.
< 1319825653 768671 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so that includes stuff like the entire httpd config? Or would that not be in that?
< 1319825711 856761 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, the httpd package would only take "package global" config
< 1319825717 232086 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., roughly "compile-time" stuff
< 1319825720 47523 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1319825724 286913 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my system also subsumes configuration management
< 1319825730 44207 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1319825731 390408 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yes and no
< 1319825762 478434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay, what are the benefits of this system then? Does it allow multiple versions of a package or something interesting like that?
< 1319825813 800843 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I can see it is kind of neat to have this info, but I'm not currently seeing what the huge benefit would be
< 1319825821 593248 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The benefits are vastly increased package configurability without breaking dependencies (because packages can depend on certain parameters to others), full multiarch emerges from the rest of the system, sure, multiple versions of a package...
< 1319825829 692200 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it also underlies the configuration management.
< 1319825868 544420 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm, this is kind of like the USE-flags of gentoo but more advanced. A package can depend on another package having a specific USE-flag enabled iirc.
< 1319825888 346690 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's similar, but typed, not just a constant list of values
< 1319825892 681022 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1319825901 984904 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Configuration management eaxmple: e.g. Say foo has a configuration option that can be a cc, any cc
< 1319825910 105215 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1319825915 984248 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might have a "package" foo.cc :: cc -> pkg
< 1319825922 146891 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you'd install (foo.cc gcc)
< 1319825925 309502 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or (foo.cc clang)
< 1319825925 987253 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc.
< 1319825927 541784 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay type signatures
< 1319825951 289891 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, kind of nice.
< 1319825959 530450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ...my secret wish is that packages will turn out to generalise into /services/ as well
< 1319825965 211276 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the same dependency management
< 1319825970 287720 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"installation" is starting
< 1319825977 857142 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"uninstallation" is stopping
< 1319825978 456292 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc.
< 1319825986 182400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not sure that would fit for stuff like httpd config though. They tend to be very complex. Stuff like rewrite rules, virtual hosts, fcgi setup and what not.
< 1319825998 609846 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :httpd recommends httpd.service
< 1319826004 157714 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :httpd.service depends on httpd
< 1319826007 900499 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, i dunno, dbus.service
< 1319826009 296930 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc.
< 1319826009 451645 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1319826023 782470 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bootup = installing the configured "system.service" or w/e
< 1319826053 583855 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and yeah, there's modelling involved: in the worst case you just do what nixos does to solve the same problem
< 1319826056 229164 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I somehow doubt an httpd needs dbus, but whatever, not relevant to the discussion really, just thought I ought to point that out)
< 1319826059 749756 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :take an extra-config string
< 1319826067 714732 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah i was just trying to think of a daemon
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< 1319826145 425513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway you want to have some nice syntax for extra-config strings. So you don't need to escape the newlines or something silly like that. Or escape embedded quotation marks
< 1319826158 442991 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1319826161 279609 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like the heredoc stuff in bash would actually be nice there
< 1319826162 343186 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :could source it from a file, even
< 1319826166 33225 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that
< 1319826168 776891 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably cleaner
< 1319826177 986471 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esp. for syntax highlighting
< 1319826181 421800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :snap
< 1319826185 585220 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :was about to say that XD
< 1319826192 506039 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh, and this model also does binary packages really well
< 1319826198 883458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1319826209 799612 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since a package specifies a /precise/ configuration, a binary package can be substituted iff it has the exact same configuration
< 1319826226 938690 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because rebuilding would literally give you the same bits (modulo compilers not being deterministic etc.)
< 1319826227 664505 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, exact same down to CFLAGS?
< 1319826241 268944 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: sure -- if you specified different CFLAGS, you want them to be used...
< 1319826274 21573 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically "pkg install foo" would almost certainly use a binary package but e.g. "pkg install foo --without-foo --extra-cflags=-fmagic" would build from source
< 1319826284 797822 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe "pkg install foo --some-popular-option" would use a binary package too
< 1319826289 79234 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, could I do something like "I accept these generic CFLAGS but for anything I compile myself for some other reason than CFLAGS I want these instead"
< 1319826293 127637 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be kind of neat
< 1319826297 994152 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also means that self-depending packages can be bootstrapped
< 1319826302 456262 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just force one level of source building
< 1319826309 842904 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the next level goes to the binary to satisfy the dependencies
< 1319826310 704522 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like accepting -mtune=generic but doing -march=core2 or whatever if you compile it /anyway/
< 1319826325 57955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a config I mean
< 1319826325 574109 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: sure, that's basically a frontend issue
< 1319826330 257008 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1319826360 962208 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you could also demand everything be built with -fmagic, in case half the packages in the repo aren't for some reason
< 1319826369 453081 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that'll use the binary packages if they have -fmagic
< 1319826381 865457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what with the new AVX stuff I think there are starting to be enough differences on x86-64 to investigate which, if any, packages would benefit from using AVX instead of plain SSE.
< 1319826397 754049 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...basically the end result of this is that it's ten times more flexible than Gentoo: you can say "i want this libc, this coreutils, this blah" and it all works out...
< 1319826400 995510 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the base-line on x86-64 is actually SSE2 I think?
< 1319826404 649624 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the common case it still uses all-binaries etc.
< 1319826442 85913 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ofc the same benefits nix gives you
< 1319826452 255250 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "I want this libc", and it all works out? Sure, if you go for glibc or eglibc. Not likely if you go for uclibc or some such :P
< 1319826455 148566 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. purely functional -> rollback support, mostly-centralised configuration management
< 1319826466 149189 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, it all works out if you pick the right packages
< 1319826470 224706 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: once musl gets C++ support...
< 1319826470 866418 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319826479 208442 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :musl is glibc-compatible to a T
< 1319826484 64644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1319826497 280726 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well by support I mean "works with libc++"
< 1319826534 843798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about binary blobs that depend on certain stuff. Say, df, nwn, or even the amd or nvidia drivers?
< 1319826549 978218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What of them? They don't take cflags options :-)
< 1319826570 916032 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There'd be no built-in options, everything would be specified by "sensible default" builders like autotools, etc.
< 1319826574 973041 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the drivers do, they use a glue file between the blob and the kernel. Because of how modules wokr
< 1319826577 194089 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :work*
< 1319826583 315867 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, right
< 1319826607 744815 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, and multiarch basically works perfectly like this
< 1319826613 353284 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1319826621 141689 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming a Nix-style store layout, I haven't quite decided how it's reflected to the FS yet
< 1319826635 985236 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But basically they just install normally and you overly them onto the right /usr/lib/ directory
< 1319826639 935333 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/overly/overlay/
< 1319826646 49765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you need quite a lot of testing to ensure that stuff works. I mean, you need to test every package against every libc you support to be able to specify correct deps.
< 1319826647 147201 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This thing basically depends on a good union-fs, I think)
< 1319826657 595591 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If you customise shit, shit might break
< 1319826661 702510 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah...
< 1319826666 972492 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not every combination of USE flags will work with a Gentoo package
< 1319826670 55842 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it should be fine
< 1319826686 106982 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm quite amazed at that nix actually works.
< 1319826686 948554 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you use a different libc, shrug
< 1319826703 46097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is quite complicated to make such a system work as well as it does
< 1319826707 165001 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-118.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Actually, Nix's design should make things break *less*.
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< 1319826735 404195 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, yes. But getting stuff like the boot-loader config version selection and what not to work is quite impressive.
< 1319826736 762239 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, the nice thing about this design is that it's so generic there's barely anything to it :)
< 1319826738 323160 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-118.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's absolutely no way for you to have a breaking ABI change actually break packages.
< 1319826760 173318 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb phone
< 1319826763 670275 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-118.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike the usual scheme, where it can *and does* happen, unless you pay a lot of attention.
< 1319826773 351569 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think the actual package manager comes down to a simple functional programming language, a constraint solver, exec(), and a huge standard library
< 1319826784 588228 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, fsvo huge
< 1319826802 220080 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it looks like a language and an stdlib, which is far preferable to Debian
< 1319826816 221321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is like the copy-and-paste coding of the package specification world
< 1319826850 778040 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, when you start tweaking with things like the libc, you blur the line between distro and LFS tool
< 1319826853 124625 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's OK
< 1319826880 30189 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing that really annoys me about NixOS: Totally tied to upstart. No real way around it. With my system the upstart integration would be separate to the main packagse.
< 1319826881 198505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :packages.
< 1319826892 630048 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you could load up a systemd repo on top of it, or whatever.
< 1319826898 618683 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And have that integrate with the packages.
< 1319826933 402329 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The defining mark of whether something is still truly Blah OS at the end of the day is, I think, whether anyone will bother giving you support :)
< 1319827003 297721 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I make a list of all possible (non partial) functions from one type to another type if I have lists of all values of those types?
< 1319827038 322506 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Get all lists of pairs of (A,B); use "lookup" appropriately
< 1319827054 546767 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh yeah, I think a killer feature that arises out of this model can be described in one line:
< 1319827071 205796 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: cabal :: cabal-package-description -> pkg
< 1319827098 466145 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can define systematic translations of other types into packages; another packaging format is just another type.
< 1319827126 979755 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1319827150 827450 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : There's absolutely no way for you to have a breaking ABI change actually break packages. <-- what about breaking API?
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< 1319827187 774870 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Which is like the copy-and-paste coding of the package specification world <-- hah, perfect description
< 1319827213 172650 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And how do I do that?
< 1319827235 295889 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : So you could load up a systemd repo on top of it, or whatever. <-- while systemd seems nicer than upstart, it uses .ini style syntax iirc. I'm not too fond of that syntax.
< 1319827244 102072 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well... you can't. You can do all finite ones.
< 1319827247 646522 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, it was an example.
< 1319827249 123652 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :while upstart has a really nice syntax
< 1319827259 733672 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That is OK; I only need finite ones.
< 1319827265 868416 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :upstart's syntax + systemd would be perfect
< 1319827272 944061 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, a binary tree should do it
< 1319827306 600000 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :trololololo
< 1319827315 705182 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You have ValuesOf a => ValuesOf [a], right? For finite lists
< 1319827326 548266 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And (ValuesOf a, ValuesOf b) => ValuesOf [(a,b)]
< 1319827331 894184 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : You can define systematic translations of other types into packages; another packaging format is just another type. <-- hm, as long as you don't try to do this for debian packages. Those work in weird ways.
< 1319827332 282858 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So just get the values of [(a,b)] and use
< 1319827333 914699 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, I have those
< 1319827334 290381 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t lookup
< 1319827334 965710 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (Eq a) => a -> [(a, b)] -> Maybe b
< 1319827351 982192 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually just the source packages
< 1319827353 345443 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Nothing corresponds to an unhandled pattern)
< 1319827367 697559 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I do not have  ValuesOf a => ValuesOf [a]  yet but I will put it on
< 1319827368 236955 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you could use a cartesian product or something if you don't want those i guess...)
< 1319827373 984608 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, yes :)
< 1319827383 811367 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But the point is that you don't need to deal with any external package managers.
< 1319827393 700426 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just write an interpreter for them one and for all.
< 1319827400 807194 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, automated translation of debian source packages would be.... interesting, but probably impossible
< 1319827404 993040 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like cabal2arch and so on, but properly-typed, with real infrastructure.
< 1319827418 737553 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, you could do it, it just wouldn't integrate with any of the configuration or building
< 1319827425 561183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
< 1319827427 490832 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Remember, it can look like a compiler /or/ an interpreter :)
< 1319827441 761658 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the benefit would however be that you would get a HUGE package repo for free.
< 1319827454 658726 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. I don't think it's worth it for Debian packages though.
< 1319827457 535521 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just too much cruft.
< 1319827466 472259 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you used enough of them all the advantages of the system would disappear.
< 1319827496 749707 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: One really desirable property about the system is, your package selections are basically a package themselves
< 1319827506 387836 :trololololo!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin
< 1319827509 698104 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, maybe doing it with a less... diverse package format would be worth it. PKGBUILDs tend to be quite straight-forward. And very few patches. So do .ebuilds to some degree, but with more patches.
< 1319827514 736406 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just tell the system what packages you want, and that corresponds to the dependency specification of your system package
< 1319827526 62856 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it just keeps that package installed
< 1319827529 478683 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, indeed.
< 1319827544 416933 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Still, with the abstraction this system can offer, hand-writing packages shouldn't be too painful.
< 1319827550 224891 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1319827579 314196 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Modulo package-specific configuration options that the distro provides (i.e. value-add type stuff), you could define a package in five lines under the assumption that it's "GNU-like"
< 1319827594 792947 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you can just implement handling for GNU-style packages once and reuse that elsewhere
< 1319827604 465685 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, true, but it still takes work. This would offer quite a large selection of software during an early stage. That could be useful. Because even if it is simple it takes time to do stuff like finding out the url and the way to build the package and to test it.
< 1319827614 106102 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1319827623 724242 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd almost feel more like integrating inst(1) support, though :-)
< 1319827637 583099 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm not familiar with what inst(1) is
< 1319827660 677795 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My fun Python script that takes a URL to a source distribution and installs it into /opt/pkgname.
< 1319827666 620933 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was /incredibly/ surprisingly successful.
< 1319827672 652998 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319827679 784900 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, link?
< 1319827679 946679 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could handle bash, perl, perl modules, C-INTERCAL, emacs, ...
< 1319827693 761562 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I had to fix the version parsing just for c-intercal
< 1319827700 40896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course
< 1319827709 363691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about clc-intercal?
< 1319827710 540393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: could it handle itself?
< 1319827718 967710 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Didn't try that, valued sanity a bit too much :P
< 1319827723 365962 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It was a Python script, so... no :-)
< 1319827723 523137 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1319827731 723475 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, got a link to it?
< 1319827733 410088 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://sprunge.us/WCXI?python
< 1319827734 349156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: CLC-INTERCAL's build system is reasonably sane atm, I think
< 1319827735 289777 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just found it
< 1319827735 362048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1319827742 46969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its version numbering isn't, ofc
< 1319827746 112346 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is all!?
< 1319827759 358705 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's not even close to complete, but it handles just about any orthodox package, plus quite a few that aren't
< 1319827768 757167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it still work on C-INTERCAL, btw?
< 1319827776 592105 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Try it on something (you can replace /opt with something else)
< 1319827776 770200 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about nethack
< 1319827780 870831 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm
< 1319827782 834390 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give it a shot
< 1319827785 521295 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't count on it
< 1319827796 133362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it won't work on vanilla NetHack, that requires manual configuration
< 1319827799 370215 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I very much doubt it, don't you need to manually copy a makefile to the root dir or something?
< 1319827799 741364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may well work on AceHack, though
< 1319827802 302629 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn
< 1319827803 317126 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then edit a config.h
< 1319827804 955123 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Link to AceHack tarball
< 1319827805 499158 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1319827812 752149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: err, I don't think there is one
< 1319827819 999845 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: How do I obtain AceHack
< 1319827823 231439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the repo
< 1319827825 219775 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Link
< 1319827835 475836 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1319827835 891042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darcs get http://patch-tag.com/r/ais523/acehack
< 1319827854 993380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't have the link off-hand, so I said that to buy myself time to find it in my browser history
< 1319827856 638889 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm, it depends on make install being well behaved. I seen make install install stuff outside /opt, like menu entires.
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< 1319827870 562759 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, chrooting or FUSE and the like would have followed
< 1319827874 453541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the build system there comes from SLASH'EM and I haven't looked at it much
< 1319827875 518625 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does it
< 1319827877 290762 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i died again
< 1319827879 864256 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky inst]$ darcs get http://patch-tag.com/r/ais523/acehack
< 1319827879 982591 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: darcs: command not found
< 1319827880 55090 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops
< 1319827882 154899 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you should start working on it again
< 1319827884 151858 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Oh hey
< 1319827902 410230 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I might, if it doesn't work on AceHack :)
< 1319827928 142398 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs darcs

< 1319827929 497263 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, I meant chrooting or fusing it or whatever. Not sure fuse would have worked though, unless you fused / somehow
< 1319827939 878190 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, install darcs with inst
< 1319827949 729109 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would definitely not work.
< 1319827955 147573 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why not?
< 1319827972 170733 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell build system is totally different... although darcs may be old enough to have makefiles
< 1319827977 584194 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
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< 1319827993 294905 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Is it a big repo?
< 1319828001 106501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as large as some
< 1319828008 269969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see if I can df it
< 1319828010 383879 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would --lazy or --partial or w/e help
< 1319828011 384338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, du it
< 1319828019 391108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably
< 1319828029 272737 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : 72 # I hate ais523
< 1319828030 456564 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1319828033 141229 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ^
< 1319828042 581442 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's the C-INTERCAL Version Number Memorial Version Number Parsing Function
< 1319828046 53411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319828050 41093 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I had to completely restructure because of its negative components
< 1319828052 157930 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play Brogue
< 1319828058 979941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 47MiB, apparently
< 1319828063 726783 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's soooooo anoying
< 1319828079 937730 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should only take a few minutes if the server can max out the bw
< 1319828094 44910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know if 47MiB is big or small nowadays
< 1319828098 374215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a little out of touch with file sizes
< 1319828114 738672 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319828123 684671 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky inst]$ rm -r acehack/_darcs
< 1319828123 756979 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky inst]$ tar czf acehack.tar.gz acehack
< 1319828123 757132 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky inst]$ ls -lh acehack.tar.gz
< 1319828123 757243 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 elliott users 3.5M Oct 28 19:54 acehack.tar.gz
< 1319828128 666346 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to upload thi so inst can download it
< 1319828130 668973 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/thi/this/
< 1319828133 692740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319828141 129746 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you need a local-testing thingy
< 1319828142 138530 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck it, I'll just patch inst to do files
< 1319828153 841604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : 99     if configure == 'Makefile.PL':
< 1319828153 914151 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :100         # I hate Perl programmers.
< 1319828153 914349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :101         return []
< 1319828154 481043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1319828163 950481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you have a webserver running on the system?
< 1319828167 246365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just download from localhost
< 1319828175 85592 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good, curl supports file:///
< 1319828182 290531 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: perl shit breaks with -j iirc
< 1319828190 386755 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ouch.
< 1319828212 731024 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you need to add some code to handle that erlang won't build with -j either. Broke recursive make I'm afraid.
< 1319828214 82805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: AceHack probably also breaks with -j, because I haven't redone the build system yet
< 1319828218 529435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Broken*
< 1319828223 203682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just used someone else's
< 1319828224 608123 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ugh, ok, I'll hack it out
< 1319828229 496383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't trust it to handle parallel make correctly
< 1319828237 561260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, switch to tup
< 1319828252 794795 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  File "./inst", line 85
< 1319828252 984694 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    print 'Perl program; no configuration available. Sorry!'
< 1319828253 57774 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                           ^
< 1319828253 57946 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SyntaxError: invalid syntax
< 1319828253 58093 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what.
< 1319828263 79401 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, python 3?
< 1319828266 806227 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319828269 825382 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch
< 1319828272 201354 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1319828274 850575 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :most fucking ridiculous decision
< 1319828281 941924 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be print('…')?
< 1319828282 139477 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, switch to python2 in the shebang
< 1319828284 847184 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1319828290 721819 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually fuck it
< 1319828292 984084 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :124     if not path.startswith('http://') and not path.startswith('ftp://'):
< 1319828293 130830 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :125         print >>sys.stderr, 'Unsupported protocol.'
< 1319828293 203001 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :126         sys.exit(1)
< 1319828293 275466 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just switch to print()
< 1319828300 532615 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you print to a file in python3 :P
< 1319828301 535576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, YOU FAIL AT GOPHER! :P
< 1319828305 937623 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh snap so i do
< 1319828307 273646 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WILLFIX
< 1319828308 318283 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, buggered if I know.
< 1319828324 154487 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, print(foo, file=blah)
< 1319828338 517376 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I doubt curl handles gopher btw, doing a system() on lynx might be your best bet
< 1319828350 230063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wow that syntax looks ugly to me
< 1319828359 835629 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think it is a named parameter
< 1319828368 178993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it's one character off the conventional Perl for the same thing
< 1319828370 915272 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there are other URI schemes than just http:// and ftp://
< 1319828370 988021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print(foo, file => blah)
< 1319828378 545131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that looks somewhat ugly too
< 1319828382 338727 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should include gopher://
< 1319828392 864502 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you want to access local files, file:///
< 1319828396 468679 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :half way through I realise that 2to3 is at hing that exists
< 1319828413 110838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 2to3 works surprisingly way in my experience
< 1319828414 217084 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And possibly you might want to support https://
< 1319828429 261700 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sftp://? And rsync://?
< 1319828454 751390 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and smb://, afp://, nfs:// (does that exist?)
< 1319828455 952979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wouldn't 4to6 be more useful?
< 1319828460 613931 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are using those
< 1319828461 251264 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: give me a version number for acehack
< 1319828467 502682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 3.6.0alpha
< 1319828468 332844 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what all those things are
< 1319828472 931910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ... stop it, you are not oerjan
< 1319828485 974486 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky inst]$ ./inst file:///home/elliott/inst/acehack-3.6.0alpha.tar.gz
< 1319828486 47030 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Downloading acehack 3.6.0alpha...
< 1319828486 47197 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :######################################################################## 100.0%
< 1319828486 467395 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was quick
< 1319828491 219046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reasonably sane numbering scheme?
< 1319828500 310306 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: SIGH @ darcs doesn't get permissions
< 1319828510 432386 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-118.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Path to inst?
< 1319828515 333637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed
< 1319828518 322397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: ?
< 1319828525 302306 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does sh ./perl-program work? i.e., does sh do shebangs?
< 1319828527 636293 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-118.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hand me a URL for inst.
< 1319828539 252783 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: http://sprunge.us/WCXI?python
< 1319828539 471903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sh doesn't parse shebangs; perl does, though
< 1319828548 227608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, perl ./x.sh will pass it to the shell if x starts #!/bin/sh
< 1319828551 619338 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah, i'll just run perl then
< 1319828557 556990 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    if configure == 'Makefile.PL':
< 1319828557 727686 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :        print('Perl program; no configuration available. Sorry!')
< 1319828557 799812 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    else:
< 1319828557 799947 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :        run('perl', './' + configure, '--help')
< 1319828561 440610 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :best thing i've ever written
< 1319828562 958581 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what if perl is not installed?
< 1319828566 356420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that feature was apparently invented for just that situation
< 1319828597 978493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :       If the #! line does not contain the word "perl", the program named       after the #! is executed instead of the Perl interpreter.  This is       slightly bizarre, but it helps people on machines that don't do #!,       because they can tell a program that their SHELL is /usr/bin/perl, and       Perl will then dispatch the program to the correct interpreter for       them.
< 1319828607 506274 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Vorpal: OK, here goes nothing
< 1319828611 696028 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky inst]$ ./inst file:///home/elliott/inst/acehack-3.6.0alpha.tar.gz
< 1319828611 768111 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Downloading acehack 3.6.0alpha...
< 1319828611 768282 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :######################################################################## 100.0%
< 1319828611 768390 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Configuring acehack 3.6.0alpha...
< 1319828611 768493 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky inst]$
< 1319828617 604010 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it just... decided that was enough?
< 1319828619 293513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about... building?
< 1319828623 670428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was surprisingly fast
< 1319828632 91268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does need to be compiled, and is unlikely to compile that instantaneously
< 1319828632 797874 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or did you forget what the syntax were?
< 1319828640 116339 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, something is wrong :P
< 1319828646 856270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1319828648 868204 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    print >>sys.stderr, '* Building %s...' % (package,)
< 1319828650 333029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2to3
< 1319828651 562210 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm upset
< 1319828668 334498 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319828688 182202 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :here goes
< 1319828701 563800 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think now I made the function of equality of functions.
< 1319828712 732173 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f == g = and $ uncurry (==) <$> zip (f <$> allValues) (g <$> allValues);
< 1319828726 975690 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, it, er, still quits after configuring
< 1319828730 506761 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope this isn't Python 3's fault
< 1319828737 599823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it on GNU hello just to check
< 1319828742 686667 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :got a link?
< 1319828780 685959 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f == g = (f <$> allValues) == (g <$> allValues);
< 1319828790 655295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/hello/hello-2.7.tar.gz
< 1319828810 505749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello exists to be the exemplary example of packaging practices
< 1319828821 246395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, the exemplary example of things to practice packaging /on/
< 1319828838 392665 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly is the point of a separate exec bit in the permissions on *nix
< 1319828859 185932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: to determine what files can and can't be executed?
< 1319828859 375924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only case I can think of where it makes sense would be for a suid -r+x
< 1319828864 907375 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :flood time:
< 1319828866 424270 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky inst]$ time ./inst ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/hello/hello-2.7.tar.gz
< 1319828866 602673 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Downloading hello 2.7...
< 1319828866 675113 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :######################################################################## 100.0%
< 1319828866 675275 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :######################################################################## 100.0%* Configuring hello 2.7...
< 1319828866 675383 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Building hello 2.7...
< 1319828867 439750 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Installing hello 2.7...
< 1319828869 457368 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Password:
< 1319828871 518365 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Installed hello 2.7.
< 1319828873 230557 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes but why not just tie it into +r
< 1319828873 487851 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :real	0m25.532s
< 1319828875 580907 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :user	0m7.696s
< 1319828876 736165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: +r-x?
< 1319828877 454905 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sys	0m4.226s
< 1319828879 559639 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky inst]$ ls opt/hello-2.7
< 1319828880 844845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a really plausible combination
< 1319828881 610861 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin  share
< 1319828883 450078 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky inst]$ opt/hello-2.7/bin/hello
< 1319828885 591147 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world!
< 1319828887 558171 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl output got a bit messed upt here
< 1319828890 789589 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and why does it matter that it is executable
< 1319828892 296103 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :really
< 1319828896 342913 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, acehack is messing something up :)
< 1319828900 430229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: tab-completion on things to execute?
< 1319828902 588328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it doesn't surprise me
< 1319828911 2289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :redoing the build system isn't a high priority, but is on the mental list
< 1319828911 621118 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it shouldn't be able to crash inst silently
< 1319828915 405864 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319828915 406033 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bug in inst
< 1319828918 172014 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but why would something other than a bin directory be in PATH?
< 1319828930 993827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: doesn't need to be at the start of the line
< 1319828937 723962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I type ./tab tab
< 1319828945 3552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I want a list of all the executables in the current directory
< 1319828946 375308 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking whether to enable xlogfile... yes (file xlogfile)
< 1319828946 485378 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking whether to enable wizmode... yes (user wizard)
< 1319828946 557768 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking for owner of installed files... configure: error: in `/tmp/inst-work-c6g7hf/tree/acehack':
< 1319828946 557959 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure: error: test for user games failed
< 1319828946 558106 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See `config.log' for more details.
< 1319828949 209550 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: help
< 1319828951 943364 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm true
< 1319828963 865770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it seems that it defaults the user who owns the scorefile to "games"
< 1319828968 814242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that that user doesn't exist on the system
< 1319828978 571263 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    if status > 0:
< 1319828978 643871 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :        if verbose:
< 1319828978 644057 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :            sys.stderr.write(open(work + '/build.log').read())
< 1319828978 644166 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :            print('\nThis log has been written to %s/build.log.'
< 1319828978 644279 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                % (work,), file=sys.stderr)
< 1319828979 398995 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :        sys.exit(1)
< 1319828983 354822 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, why would I only print errors when verbose?
< 1319828984 573194 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fixes

< 1319829000 610117 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm
< 1319829001 495932 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1319829020 774865 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you have a beautiful ending without making beautiful mistakes?
< 1319829024 249090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if that's a bad default, or a case where automatic installation isn't possible
< 1319829032 201083 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's ok: inst takes configure options
< 1319829039 947552 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: inst pretends to be the package configure, in fact
< 1319829042 317039 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can pass it --help
< 1319829048 462581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: --with-user=anything --with-group=anything
< 1319829052 998720 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1319829055 631274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where anything should be appropriate
< 1319829057 173397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, does it cache the downloaded package or does it re-download it every time?
< 1319829066 899536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, --with-owner
< 1319829069 274913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not --with-user
< 1319829070 347588 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: re-download for now :) but this is from file:///
< 1319829075 847880 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1319829098 866543 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, let's try this again.
< 1319829112 836068 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky inst]$ time ./inst file:///home/elliott/inst/acehack-3.6.0alpha.tar.gz
< 1319829112 908494 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Downloading acehack 3.6.0alpha...
< 1319829112 908667 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :######################################################################## 100.0%
< 1319829112 908777 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Configuring acehack 3.6.0alpha...
< 1319829112 908883 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Command failed with status 1. A log has been written to /tmp/inst-work-jrdpdx/build.log.
< 1319829114 38765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :real	0m5.194s
< 1319829115 789528 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :user	0m3.256s
< 1319829117 738084 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sys	0m1.010s
< 1319829119 992836 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more reasonable
< 1319829125 511295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1319829126 36189 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw, wrt your future distro above, maintaining a distro is a lot of work. Keeping track of hundreds of mailing lists and what not to get notified when new versions of packages are released
< 1319829129 723402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the error?
< 1319829136 369587 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh, I know full well
< 1319829145 807460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Debian uses daemons to watch that, rather than humans
< 1319829147 703357 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the one i pasted above
< 1319829159 115616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I mean, in /tmp/inst-work-jrdpdx/build.log
< 1319829160 885154 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: do you think it's coincidental that almost every package will be only a dozen or so lines long with this system? :-)
< 1319829162 886150 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that might be hard for some packages.
< 1319829169 52997 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, XD
< 1319829169 273206 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's just configure's output
< 1319829173 470296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, yes
< 1319829174 34745 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking whether to enable wizmode... yes (user wizard)
< 1319829174 107180 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking for owner of installed files... configure: error: in `/tmp/inst-work-jr
< 1319829174 107352 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dpdx/tree/acehack':
< 1319829174 107464 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure: error: test for user games failed
< 1319829174 107569 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See `config.log' for more details.
< 1319829175 885917 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about the kernel? I bet that will be more
< 1319829182 333097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK, that's bizarre
< 1319829186 700263 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: howso?
< 1319829190 198819 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what you saw before
< 1319829195 196590 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't react to it oddly then...
< 1319829198 281255 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, let's try this with the options ais523 gave
< 1319829202 568413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319829204 621452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I thought you'd done it with the options
< 1319829209 39166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and was wondering why it was ignoring them
< 1319829242 699030 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :failed again with same error
< 1319829245 603133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ./config.status --config
< 1319829245 675335 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky inst]$ time ./inst file:///home/elliott/inst/acehack-3.6.0alpha.tar.gz --with-owner=anything --with-group=anything
< 1319829246 778380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'--enable-wizmode=ais523' '--with-owner=ais523' '--with-group=ais523' '--prefix=/home/ais523/acehack/build'
< 1319829255 530203 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, "anything" probably isn't a valid owner either
< 1319829257 766893 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you need to fill in relevant values for anything
< 1319829258 133392 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh
< 1319829259 646131 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dur :P
< 1319829263 310040 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that was a wildcard
< 1319829266 640741 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, now hit any key
< 1319829270 660406 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[any key]
< 1319829272 422776 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know how to make the list of all functions.
< 1319829272 846420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that one!
< 1319829278 991006 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1319829293 644799 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: same even with --with-owner=elliott --with-group=elliott
< 1319829299 512756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, bizarre
< 1319829302 607543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's an Ace bug
< 1319829303 311899 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, nm path-to-ELF-file-that-isnt-stripped.o ?
< 1319829306 958369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this possibly isn't a good time to look into it
< 1319829317 627369 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait
< 1319829319 886418 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not what I meant
< 1319829321 320831 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does perl pass along command line args?
< 1319829324 206548 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl ./configure foo bar
< 1319829326 876834 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to shell scripts
< 1319829331 959889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know, but it should be easy enough to check
< 1319829337 787402 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant in Haskell, like  [a -> b]
< 1319829344 660096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, it does
< 1319829346 681284 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, yes
< 1319829347 175097 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1319829352 934745 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the problem then
< 1319829358 403571 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319829359 552684 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DURRR
< 1319829362 909607 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1319829367 38637 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :def run_configure(*args, **kwargs):
< 1319829367 111170 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    global configure
< 1319829367 111361 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    prefix = kwargs['prefix']
< 1319829367 111472 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    if configure == 'Makefile.PL':
< 1319829367 111579 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :        run_silent('perl', configure, 'INSTALL_BASE=' + prefix)
< 1319829367 792167 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    else:
< 1319829369 495583 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :        run_silent('perl', './' + configure, '--prefix=' + prefix)
< 1319829373 719561 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :noticable lack of ACTUALLY USING THE ARGUMENTS
< 1319829375 648208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1319829378 416712 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1319829383 250848 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did that slip past m
< 1319829383 745092 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1319829395 315521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: just enumerate all possible files, in length-then-asciibetical order
< 1319829403 304769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and discard the ones that don't describe exactly one function
< 1319829406 146277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then remove duplicates
< 1319829412 77050 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure: error: test for group elliott failed
< 1319829412 149515 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1319829416 562196 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok elliott:users it is
< 1319829428 909871 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky inst]$ time ./inst file:///home/elliott/inst/acehack-3.6.0alpha.tar.gz --with-owner=elliott --with-group=users
< 1319829429 58928 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Downloading acehack 3.6.0alpha...
< 1319829429 131240 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :######################################################################## 100.0%
< 1319829429 203627 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Configuring acehack 3.6.0alpha...
< 1319829429 203762 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Building acehack 3.6.0alpha...
< 1319829430 334325 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I bet it will install to /var too
< 1319829430 694966 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo!
< 1319829437 828542 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ugh
< 1319829442 522542 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does it go outside --prefix
< 1319829444 745491 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, normal nethack would
< 1319829446 825733 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Files? It isn't files.
< 1319829454 736703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :  --localstatedir=DIR     modifiable single-machine data [PREFIX/var]
< 1319829459 403041 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew
< 1319829459 526482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not unless it's buggy
< 1319829459 941790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah nice
< 1319829481 48273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but a file can describe a function; and it's easier to enumerate files, then to enumerate functions
< 1319829499 403541 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw I would switch cfunge to tup if only where was a nice configuring system that fit seamlessly with tup
< 1319829504 172673 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no not kconfig
< 1319829516 582484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm reasonably sure it doesn't go outside the prefix, as I've installed it as non-root before
< 1319829518 574681 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of it is auto detection, and it isn't all that many options to warrant kconfig
< 1319829521 476901 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-158.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319829522 132208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to inside my home dir
< 1319829529 26258 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah well i've considered working on something like that
< 1319829533 483803 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but it should still be kconfig-based
< 1319829534 798819 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in the format
< 1319829549 659465 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky inst-work-1_vxz8]$ ls
< 1319829549 733543 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :acehack-3.6.0alpha.tar  build.log  tree
< 1319829549 733727 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky inst-work-1_vxz8]$ ls tree
< 1319829549 733839 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :acehack
< 1319829549 733948 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what it looks like in the work dirs, btw
< 1319829552 362822 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yay, it failed
< 1319829560 605761 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make[1]: *** No rule to make target `rumors.c', needed by `rumors.o'.  Stop.
< 1319829574 767080 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have [x] which list all possible value of [x], [y] which list all possible value of [y], I should make [x -> y] list all possible value of (x -> y) is what I meant. (Ignoring all undefined values)
< 1319829579 621022 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sure, but what I need is basically stuff like "detect if we have that header" or "I want to know if we have this function, and it might be in libc or in librt, because fuck freebsd"
< 1319829592 33193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I wonder why /that/ one? it's not the first to be compiled
< 1319829592 644859 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or fuck linux, the point is, it differs
< 1319829594 371469 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: autoconf actually works for this with tup :p
< 1319829610 683217 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's probably a bad idea
< 1319829617 325161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but I haven't seen any guide to how to make autoconf fit with tup
< 1319829621 380071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are an infinite number of possibilities
< 1319829624 900934 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: pikhq_ did it
< 1319829630 172807 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://sprunge.us/DcHH
< 1319829633 657439 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(short)
< 1319829637 795970 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I am using only finite types, though.
< 1319829638 131387 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, got a link to details on how to fit autoconf with tup?
< 1319829640 160874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: don't see autoconf as a magic black box; learn how it works
< 1319829648 286383 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that sounds like a lot of work
< 1319829651 171947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh, in that case, it's finite, just incredibly large
< 1319829651 946495 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And only functions that halt.
< 1319829656 236801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but it's the only way to use it correctly
< 1319829673 505999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's as if there's a file missing from the tarball
< 1319829680 987631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me make sure it's in the repo
< 1319829682 313535 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well then, I need a simpler system. I'm just not going to invest the time into learning m4 and so on
< 1319829683 21522 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: possible, darcs was a bit funny about it
< 1319829685 778365 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think for (x -> y) it will be $y^x$ so yes it will be large
< 1319829688 390170 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll re-check out
< 1319829709 689117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it's in the repo all right
< 1319829755 509692 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fhpxref!
< 1319829763 21505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps something autocorrected "rumors.c" to "rumours.c"?
< 1319829781 650065 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, it's going again
< 1319829786 465615 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so, uh, wasn't there some sort of Homestuck IRC channel?
< 1319829792 683533 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, my acehack tarball is bigger now
< 1319829795 239773 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's reassuring
< 1319829815 261000 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I would put the probability of that at somewhere around p=9.
< 1319829817 825059 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of 1.
< 1319829858 916109 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so you'd gladly agree to give me a dollar if there is such a channel, and a million dollars if there is no such channel.
< 1319829881 344884 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Yes. What's your PayPal.
< 1319829891 621309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: read the bet again
< 1319829894 420072 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since your net gain is (-1)*9 + (-1000000)*(-8) = 7999991, if I calculate correctly.
< 1319829900 284590 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know what the bet says.
< 1319829902 821812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1319829916 189575 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319829923 326233 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky inst]$ time ./inst file:///home/elliott/inst/acehack-3.6.0alpha.tar.gz --with-owner=elliott --with-group=users
< 1319829923 398676 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Downloading acehack 3.6.0alpha...
< 1319829923 398756 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :######################################################################## 100.0%
< 1319829923 398802 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Configuring acehack 3.6.0alpha...
< 1319829923 398846 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Building acehack 3.6.0alpha...
< 1319829923 785017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a bizarre way for probabilities to work
< 1319829924 912558 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Installing acehack 3.6.0alpha...
< 1319829926 728151 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Password:
< 1319829928 794570 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Installed acehack 3.6.0alpha.
< 1319829930 840301 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :real	2m23.732s
< 1319829931 210025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1319829932 843256 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :user	2m7.545s
< 1319829934 885248 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sys	0m7.546s
< 1319829936 853179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky inst]$ ls opt/acehack-3.6.0alpha
< 1319829938 717039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 minutes for a full rebuild isn't bad
< 1319829938 868751 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :acehackdir  bin
< 1319829942 788489 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so the answer is "yep, inst does acehack, given a system with the right groups"
< 1319829942 923531 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, 9 is a bizarre probability.
< 1319829950 71238 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hold on, we haven't made sure it works yet
< 1319829955 641851 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, wtf kind of dirname is acehackdir?
< 1319829960 930523 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't fit in any filesystem standard
< 1319829964 664230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, "acehack's configure file creates a new directory directly under /usr"
< 1319829976 477764 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, that's a good bug title
< 1319829977 395791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mentally yells at the SLASH'EM devs

< 1319830007 135223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the directory can't be placed anywhere under the FHS, incidentally; some of it belongs in /usr, some in /var, some even in /var/run
< 1319830014 967828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to do proper moving of files to the right place
< 1319830015 556140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean /run
< 1319830015 822945 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you happen to remember the server this channel was on?
< 1319830022 509099 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What am I kidding.  I can find it as long as it was mentioned in here.
< 1319830024 680960 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ever.
< 1319830025 831746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there is no /run
< 1319830029 245599 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you are wrong
< 1319830034 401731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1319830042 817736 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: recently accepted addition, replacing /var/run
< 1319830046 528457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ls /run
< 1319830047 204210 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as some other parts of /var I think
< 1319830047 727763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /run: No such file or directory
< 1319830049 322180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, interesting
< 1319830052 839205 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's in latest ubuntu
< 1319830054 14507 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and debian
< 1319830055 17125 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and arch
< 1319830057 685886 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything
< 1319830057 821773 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : also, "acehack's configure file creates a new directory directly under /usr" <--- .... what?
< 1319830062 261751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'd need to have a fallback
< 1319830063 74146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ever heard of /etc?
< 1319830064 910944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's a bug, OK?
< 1319830071 167141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, /etc is not the right place to put it either
< 1319830072 91364 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah
< 1319830088 398109 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Vorpal: http://i.imgur.com/qguK0.png
< 1319830103 514587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what it's meant to look like, at least
< 1319830105 565325 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: recently accepted addition, replacing /var/run <-- well, that is new. is it FHS?
< 1319830109 289726 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes
< 1319830114 720105 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1319830116 314877 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be published
< 1319830119 715995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, when did that happen. None of my systems have it
< 1319830127 154283 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: recently
< 1319830133 169763 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this year
< 1319830150 978309 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: cool, it's a full moon
< 1319830154 363881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway if arch have it I need to clean up that mess. Because of how my partitions are set up it doesn't make sense.
< 1319830158 429821 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks acehack
< 1319830164 777470 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, it does make sense
< 1319830174 49316 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes but not wrt my partitions
< 1319830174 182817 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what doesn't make sense is /var containing both volatile and non-volatile data
< 1319830174 557495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lucky!
< 1319830187 183397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: see http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/RunDirectory
< 1319830192 732370 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, / is on an SSD, /var is not
< 1319830195 302590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: further evidence is that /var is on a different filesystem to /var/run on this system
< 1319830208 284597 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh, tmpfs?
< 1319830213 198241 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense I guess
< 1319830225 852582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1319830225 924884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is mostly pid files and sockets
< 1319830226 755253 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: run on /run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,size=10240k,mode=755)
< 1319830230 618335 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/run _is_ a tmpfs
< 1319830242 913166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right
< 1319830246 944756 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works then
< 1319830264 230919 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I can confirm that AceHack works
< 1319830277 731530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1319830300 352127 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fully? Does saving and exiting work?
< 1319830314 939102 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, does score file work if you die?
< 1319830325 494791 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(easier to check than ascending!)
< 1319830326 389927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it tries to write an insurance lockfile as soon as you start playing
< 1319830331 604593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that goes to the same place as save files
< 1319830334 501509 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm dying now
< 1319830338 816542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'd be shocking if one worked but not the other
< 1319830339 39386 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prayed a few times
< 1319830344 93944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hah
< 1319830361 613798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, it is quite possible. Disk full for example
< 1319830369 210060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and that's inst's fault how?
< 1319830372 762042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no
< 1319830376 153869 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I meant in general
< 1319830396 863507 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, my god sends the shittiest death threats
< 1319830404 573937 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1319830417 534300 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i've currently outrun it for like a hundred turns :P
< 1319830427 176764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it?
< 1319830431 919465 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no disintegration beam?
< 1319830440 664201 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the couatl of amaterasu omikami
< 1319830445 431273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, once you get a negative prayer effect, you'll get nothing but negatives until you atone
< 1319830447 50332 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sam?
< 1319830448 533196 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prays again with 1 hp for shits and giggles

< 1319830449 687481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right
< 1319830462 130668 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, i died
< 1319830480 731665 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : btw, once you get a negative prayer effect, you'll get nothing but negatives until you atone <-- I thought there was a timeout? Or is this behaviour new in acehack?
< 1319830492 306005 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sam?
< 1319830502 291721 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1319830506 76106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1319830510 456997 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I asked if you played sam
< 1319830513 455594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, it's in vanilla too
< 1319830518 724549 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh
< 1319830523 393609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the timeout's on positive effects
< 1319830523 563209 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, I just accepted the defaults
< 1319830528 794357 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see
< 1319830531 279119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the defaults are random each time
< 1319830534 511122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did the score work if you look at it?
< 1319830554 342321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you check scores without playing again?
< 1319830563 990198 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question, I never did
< 1319830569 893076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there's a scores option in the main menu
< 1319830575 602617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, thanks
< 1319830580 567025 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1319830600 897909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually, I'll make the game return to the main menu after you die or win
< 1319830606 343643 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what distros use systemd btw?
< 1319830607 10267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably via self-exec()
< 1319830607 674489 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think you should probably default to something else if games doesn't exist
< 1319830613 695381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so do I, but I'm not sure what
< 1319830621 375266 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: root? user running ./configure?
< 1319830621 875455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :root is a security risk
< 1319830624 894464 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, self-exec()... Won't that mess with the sgid?
< 1319830628 449846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :user running configure might make sense
< 1319830629 974218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably latter)
< 1319830637 952889 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: fedora
< 1319830639 987153 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think suse
< 1319830641 798825 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, nobody
< 1319830650 306645 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right, so two horrible distros
< 1319830655 891921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't see why not; you can exec an sgid file even if you already have group perms
< 1319830657 699058 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, linus uses fedora :)
< 1319830663 402187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even if you couldn't, you can just drop them first
< 1319830691 17202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you could just drop them first
< 1319830696 131301 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, won't it mess up the real gid or the egid or whichever one point to the group that was before the sgid took place?
< 1319830709 12230 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I think inst could be legitimately useful if it spit out a package rather than doing the installation immediately
< 1319830715 332914 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I thought he switched some time ago? Might misremember
< 1319830720 934584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: real gid, yes; I don't think that's used for anything, though
< 1319830721 777291 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be like checkinstall, except not terrible
< 1319830787 600275 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i noticed that monqy is here yet
< 1319830789 38530 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because hi monqy
< 1319830797 657565 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think it is quite useful already. I tend to install stuff I install manually to ~/local//package-name//
< 1319830830 307574 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's useful :) but it doesn't handle the failure case much
< 1319830831 288010 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you did way above
< 1319830841 88139 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it works, it works brilliantly
< 1319830859 381500 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-118.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tends to install things in ~/local/stow/packagename-version/

< 1319830873 961666 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, what about tup + autoconf. I never saw a reply to my question about that
< 1319830880 268000 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-118.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What about it?
< 1319830884 56945 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stow: because I want _two_ package managers in my life
< 1319830898 282680 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, how is it done. I'm no autoconf wizard, not do I feel like becoming one just for that,.
< 1319830900 641851 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/,//
< 1319830909 752127 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hmm, now i'm wondering if the configuration management system could be a build system too :)
< 1319830910 220849 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-118.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm also currently using shell scripts to build. So, more like 1.
< 1319830915 343855 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's dependencies, and constraint solving, and configuration...
< 1319830917 41922 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, stow being?
< 1319830926 448848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that was blindingly fast
< 1319830927 633814 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: gnu stow
< 1319830930 555921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just sent around 100 emails in a few seconds
< 1319830932 534503 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-118.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's actually really, really simple. You have autoconf replace variables in a Tup file of some sort.
< 1319830933 229662 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as referenced at * pikhq_ tends to install things in ~/local/stow/packagename-version/
< 1319830946 506929 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you started spamming?
< 1319830957 78242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, although I think the module I'm using was designed for spambots
< 1319830961 107734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sending personalised receipts
< 1319830966 940610 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-118.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If I had a better package manager for ~/local/, I'd use it. As is, GNU stow is (barely) sufficient for my uses.
< 1319830967 379115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for submissions
< 1319830969 754820 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Stow <-- "this page has been deleted", fuck you
< 1319831005 7478 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the site describes it
< 1319831011 501476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right
< 1319831018 678955 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it basically merges a bunch of DESTDIR installs into a single tree
< 1319831021 899199 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with links
< 1319831036 407102 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: It's actually really, really simple. You have autoconf replace variables in a Tup file of some sort. <-- oh okay
< 1319831042 656075 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-118.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(autoconf, FWIW, is actually *very* build-system agnostic. *All* it does is test things, storing the results in variables, and replacing those variables in a given list of files)
< 1319831042 945407 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, what about any config.h or such?
< 1319831056 508700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote an autoconf script for jettyplay
< 1319831066 129794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is jettyplay?
< 1319831067 696058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that it would be easily picked up by autobuildy sytems
< 1319831072 444518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: GUI ttyrec player
< 1319831074 293343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :written in Java
< 1319831074 365394 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: tarball link plz
< 1319831077 221810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I see
< 1319831087 872705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think I have online tarballs of it
< 1319831090 236821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just jar files
< 1319831091 262414 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1319831098 380629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was basically just written for debhelper
< 1319831102 473113 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319831114 824134 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i might as well ask -
< 1319831126 330373 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is debhelper? Another one of their automated package construction tools?
< 1319831129 550041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes
< 1319831134 612560 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's debian's main package construction tool
< 1319831137 161206 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe
< 1319831141 263141 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-118.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There's some command to tell autoconf to do the config.h substitution.
< 1319831146 574903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can nc you the tarball that got produced when I did the local equivalent of apt-get source
< 1319831151 398345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can open a port inbound
< 1319831159 819372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: umm, maybe, but not this second
< 1319831162 795752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1319831174 778248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, idea for inst feature: git, svn, hg, darcs, bzr support. The handling of different types could probably be done with a dict in python, making it trivial to add new ones
< 1319831181 401284 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway - does anyone know of a unified command to access unarchivers? I really want to be able to just type a command, an archive name, and have it extract, accounting for tarbombs
< 1319831187 976274 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, hm as long as it works with tup
< 1319831199 291368 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I know how to write extensible software :)
< 1319831204 628954 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-118.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not as nicely as it *could*, but it does work.
< 1319831225 175416 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-118.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 7z is close, but not *quite* there.
< 1319831232 636215 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-118.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't handle tarbombs.
< 1319831246 914814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I seem to remember such a tool in portage somewhere. And portage has its own one as a bash function somewhere to help unpack for ebuilds
< 1319831252 31711 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use the l option of 7z to display the list
< 1319831261 797111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can handle tarbombs automatically by untarring in an empty directory, then removing one level of directory structure if necessary
< 1319831268 509703 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's the idea
< 1319831275 542738 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-118.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Not helpful if you want it to be automatic.
< 1319831278 389095 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could just do tar -> unzip -> unrar
< 1319831282 737877 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1319831285 195927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can do the tarbomb protection and unified unarchiver separately
< 1319831285 544599 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tar detects compression, after all
< 1319831292 189300 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, pretty sure 7z handles zip and rar as well as tar.gz
< 1319831293 721111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: really?
< 1319831301 632970 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep, "tar xf foo.tar.blah" works just fine
< 1319831302 93163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you had to give an appropriate option character
< 1319831303 460606 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-118.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: GNU tar and Busybox tar do, at least.
< 1319831304 670584 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome
< 1319831308 588465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know
< 1319831311 253073 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually 7z might just unpack the .gz level of a tar.gz, not the tar level as well
< 1319831318 34405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I know the windows 7-zip does that
< 1319831319 658212 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :7z is so windowsy :(
< 1319831322 375549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll still add the z because my tab-complete likes it, though
< 1319831326 80489 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there is that yes
< 1319831335 407101 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, 7z does just unpack the .gz level
< 1319831340 228616 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to unpack the .tar separately
< 1319831346 612544 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-118.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's moronic.
< 1319831348 913427 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the command-line 7z
< 1319831349 862489 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1319831361 755250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what about, say, if there's a .jar in a .zip
< 1319831366 835686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't want to unpack two levels then
< 1319831376 520113 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to unpack all levels separately.
< 1319831376 725050 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-118.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That itself is pretty moronic. :)
< 1319831379 474092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, but tar.gz is quite a special case
< 1319831384 709028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say, stop unpacking as soon as you see any files that aren't compressed
< 1319831390 966067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if there are compressed files in the directory too
< 1319831391 62681 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I like it unpacking all levels separately I prefer this way.
< 1319831394 44858 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about .gz.tar?
< 1319831395 570276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, not really, if you want to distribute a collection of .jars as one file, how would you do that
< 1319831402 977402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my suggestion handles .gz.tar
< 1319831405 337889 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it could be an option to unpakc multiple levels maybe there should be that one.
< 1319831408 812004 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about anything packed by Xilinx?
< 1319831416 25900 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are we talking about the same .gz.tar?
< 1319831422 586063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: from my experience with Xilinx, it's probably insane
< 1319831427 112083 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes
< 1319831428 463154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: gzip each file individually, then tarball the result?
< 1319831431 657899 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep
< 1319831435 282384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd see that /all/ the files are compressed/archived
< 1319831441 205836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd decompressarchive them all one level
< 1319831446 793058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's a mix, you don't decompressarchive any of them
< 1319831463 539453 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't quite remember, it was some time ago. But I think it was bz2.rar.zip.tar.gz basically
< 1319831463 873418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically a heuristic for detecting whether the files are meant to stay compressed or not
< 1319831470 725198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's impressive
< 1319831475 969032 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it should unpack only one level by default, but have an option to select how many levels you want
< 1319831478 825499 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, might misremember the .rar level, could have been another tar
< 1319831481 371140 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1319831488 724138 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hmm, where should I put the source directories for arch packages I create myself?
< 1319831494 262059 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just created a haskell-groom/ dir with cabal2arch
< 1319831496 303886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: /usr/src?
< 1319831500 1865 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but am not sure where to put it for permanent storage
< 1319831503 778672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
< 1319831504 12467 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: plausible
< 1319831516 865674 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm? ~/src/system/foo/PKGBUILD is what I use
< 1319831521 354265 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but that is my system
< 1319831526 53994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or what do you mean
< 1319831530 175805 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was just wondering if there was a standard location
< 1319831538 999090 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you find one, tell me
< 1319831545 979599 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: probably somewhere in ABS or something :P
< 1319831554 932545 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers going back to his his hierarchy-free home directory system

< 1319831555 637304 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, doubtful, abs is updated by rsync
< 1319831559 336182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jettyplay-0.1~alpha1/src/jettyplay/InputStreamableFileContentsWrapper.java
< 1319831568 108910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the joys of Java
< 1319831578 592600 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what a horribly long class name
< 1319831589 32961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my homedir uses a reasonably simple and consistent filing system
< 1319831589 207576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to help me find things quickly
< 1319831592 675479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about "what will ais523 remember" more than anything else
< 1319831605 422269 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I do the same, modulo person who is to remember
< 1319831609 37906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's a wrapper around FileContents so that it implements InputStreamable
< 1319831626 611580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure that it could be easily shortened and still describe what it does that accurately
< 1319831626 793983 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :except I end up with lot of temporary crap in ~ that I forget to remove
< 1319831639 310069 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also, what AUR helper do you use, if any
< 1319831641 781590 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like whatever.mp4 from youtube-dl and so on
< 1319831653 248069 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : except I end up with lot of temporary crap in ~ that I forget to remove
< 1319831657 142408 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what my hierarchy-free system solved
< 1319831662 476889 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I make the Haskell library to access DVI printing file, what would it be called and what namespace and so on?
< 1319831662 657049 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh?
< 1319831672 282793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I accidentally deleted all the files in ~ a while ago
< 1319831674 310677 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yaourt. I know there are more modern ones. But don't fix what isn't broken.
< 1319831674 947202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but didn't lose much
< 1319831679 731209 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaourt is so broken :P
< 1319831686 495396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I didn't delete any of the /directories/; it was a non-recursive rm * in ~)
< 1319831694 73747 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, WFM. YMMV
< 1319831710 528122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway I use grub 1 because I don't fix what isn't broken
< 1319831719 548704 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides on my setup it would be risky to switch
< 1319831719 702432 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--arch user
< 1319831728 750493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, conclusions: elliott is trying out Arch, is annoyed at its package management system
< 1319831731 462494 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :both my laptop and my desktop use somewhat complicated grub setups
< 1319831737 385253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my laptop because dm-crypt
< 1319831741 4871 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my desktop because mdraid
< 1319831743 64674 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: more than trying
< 1319831748 655808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :settled on?
< 1319831753 950527 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it looked like: "special types" at the top level (ok, this is a kind of hieracrhy, but a tolerable one; lowercase is fine too): ~/Code, ~/Music, etc.; but then: ~/Downloads, for /anything/ that comes from an external source; this has to be wiped every two days or so for the system to work; and finally, the most important place, ~/Keep/YYYY-MM
< 1319831769 944902 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, heh
< 1319831771 155563 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you move things from Downloads to the appropriate Keep so that they don't get mercilessly wiped out
< 1319831778 721712 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty good at forcing you to decide what to do with a file
< 1319831789 61623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I keep both Downloads and Documents relatively clean
< 1319831790 193533 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no files other than config and the like go in ~/
< 1319831802 970510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember the difference between them offhand, but they're both small enough that I can typically remember which a file is in
< 1319831803 162463 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have ~/music ~/videos and so on. Every so often I clean out ~ and move stuff I want to keep but don't know where it should go into ~/other
< 1319831814 130398 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/other is a mess
< 1319831823 666024 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is there a way to get yaourt to use the PKGBUILD in a current directory rather than looking at aur... :)
< 1319831824 343667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I create a new top-level directory whenever I have something that can't reasonably be classified into the existing ones
< 1319831830 36309 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you should try ~/keep :P
< 1319831833 243631 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can assert it's THE BEST.
< 1319831835 240536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if something ends up important enough, it gets a top-level directory of its own
< 1319831844 247635 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm, is there a way to get yaourt to use the PKGBUILD in a current directory rather than looking at aur... :) <-- no need, the command to build directly is trivial
< 1319831848 252577 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :just makepkg -c
< 1319831852 801567 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, but I need to install the deps
< 1319831858 622075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah
< 1319831859 936218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you download to /tmp by default? because I do, and it saves a lot of trouble about download clutter
< 1319831861 633478 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if I do it explicitly, it'll count as an explicit install
< 1319831874 373343 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather keep the explicit install list only be things I actually wanted to install as a top-level goal
< 1319831879 811931 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then sudo pacman -U foo.whatever.is.the.current.compression.format
< 1319831880 486731 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... maybe makepkg -s will do it
< 1319831888 894698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, even more commonly, if I want to open a file that's online, I copy-paste the URL into the viewing application
< 1319831890 277566 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, --asdeps?
< 1319831891 858056 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, it's an AUR dependency
< 1319831899 373350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1319831899 632331 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh, that exists?
< 1319831899 918570 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone sad my name while i was gone (i was gone)
< 1319831900 143760 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1319831905 515388 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for pacman, not sure for yaourt
< 1319831906 668820 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(((bacck now)))))
< 1319831914 602028 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)hi(
< 1319831915 282226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, might be asdep too, check exact spelling
< 1319831932 67475 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy
< 1319831946 800593 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, upload any generally useful PKGBUILD you create to AUR.
< 1319831949 728919 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yaourt -S noidentd-git... do you DARE.............
< 1319831953 800851 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ALREADY DONE
< 1319831963 641696 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but this one is just an auto-generated newer version of a haskell lib
< 1319831968 123278 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 creative input from me at all
< 1319831969 38305 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I will update the ick one tomorrow unless something unexpected happens
< 1319831971 480510 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't replace the AUR evrsion
< 1319831976 822157 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ev/ve/
< 1319831984 774399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, flag the existing one as outdated
< 1319831991 266599 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :planning to
< 1319832008 294197 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that notify the maintainers?
< 1319832013 590060 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how that works, since it's maintained by the arch-haskell group
< 1319832016 619237 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im bad at dareing...
< 1319832018 776174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, can be done for normal packages from the front page btw, search for the package and mark it
< 1319832027 934121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and it notifies by email iirc
< 1319832041 270478 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you know how whenever you connect to freenode it waits for a few seconds before giving the motd.......
< 1319832045 141054 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and no idea if it is maintained by a group
< 1319832053 647582 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you know how that evil ~ is infesting the start of your username in whois.........
< 1319832055 129521 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I would assume it does, otherwise what use would it be
< 1319832056 348938 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah and then it puts a squiggle on my username yeah that
< 1319832066 909685 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I wasn't even aware a group could maintain an AUR package
< 1319832070 264202 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: noidentd.... solves this...... with elliott hird quality code
< 1319832073 867915 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's a separate team account
< 1319832077 87425 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :teMPTING
< 1319832081 665686 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm. No idea how that works
< 1319832086 365870 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: only one ... config option...
< 1319832094 316003 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rc.d....... support...........
< 1319832096 404530 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but before i try it: i amg oing to get aurget (unlesss it's: bad)
< 1319832100 182060 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, identd thingy won't work because of NAT
< 1319832103 396788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me at least
< 1319832109 306231 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i dunno it... felt kinda unreliable to me
< 1319832111 964708 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be my bad impressions
< 1319832112 297851 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319832116 57476 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have trust issues with software
< 1319832117 696905 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is           yaourt better
< 1319832117 877187 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by all means try it
< 1319832123 60844 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was certainly sleek-feeling
< 1319832128 627509 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i already have yaourt so
< 1319832130 775088 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i am sure monqy has the power... of nat..................... or something
< 1319832197 410761 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with these aur helpers is that they're so obviously thin wrappers over other tools
< 1319832202 409968 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they feel so shoddy :p
< 1319832211 518384 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not so thin wrappers in the case of yaourt
< 1319832216 299509 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thick wrappers
< 1319832307 549621 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1319832355 225431 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yaourt works quite nicely I found. Never really had any problems with it, except when pacman ABI broke and I had to reinstall yaourt by hand
< 1319832488 28815 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: have you...enjoyed....the magiceke.,
< 1319832522 810392 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I hate you, now I feel like having a go at writing that configuration manager. :/
< 1319832528 920749 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1319832540 679397 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 hours in, and my latest and greatest markov model generator
< 1319832540 939501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, err, what did I say?
< 1319832542 383925 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been letting yaourt do its thing over there becase ut's slow and forgot about it
< 1319832545 730689 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :remembering now:
< 1319832546 436599 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :has not even finished the first 4 datasets....
< 1319832553 158825 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: YOU ASKED ME QUESTIONS
< 1319832556 848040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh okay
< 1319832558 43776 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: this is because perl sucks
< 1319832578 929351 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not really sure what's so different about this one to make it this much slower...
< 1319832586 372012 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the regex is even precompiled this time. :P
< 1319832610 484105 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: (the config file... is /etc/conf.d/noidentd...)
< 1319832618 477062 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the code... is https://github.com/ehird/noidentd/blob/master/noidentd.c...)
< 1319832634 534450 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: noitdentd blog master
< 1319832645 194649 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankey ou
< 1319832685 749029 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :instaled it (loeking at config nwo)
< 1319832699 120833 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I could write a C program to do this correctly
< 1319832703 814273 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :before this script finishes
< 1319832706 522523 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then that program
< 1319832708 989613 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess i put monqy in there eh
< 1319832710 800054 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :finishes before this script finishes.
< 1319832740 143065 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i do anything else or just let it do its magic now
< 1319832745 990416 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time i connect, I mean
< 1319832746 493335 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: well you are "swell"
< 1319832751 948676 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh swell
< 1319832754 727610 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you would put swell in there toget the same thing now
< 1319832755 674080 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but monqy
< 1319832756 551305 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fine too
< 1319832759 79180 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you would then be monqy
< 1319832761 623769 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick your favourite...
< 1319832761 829261 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1319832763 640061 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, what sort of regex? Any backrefs?
< 1319832771 196101 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be swell
< 1319832773 712610 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i could change it
< 1319832776 147890 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to be chap
< 1319832784 54241 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i thought swell was your name or something
< 1319832784 687804 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was another one i wanted to try but i forget it
< 1319832793 646156 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok this fan is worrying m
< 1319832793 867997 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, http://swtch.com/~rsc/regexp/regexp1.html
< 1319832794 364959 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1319832796 864924 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :swell is a good name but not mine
< 1319832797 419109 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts like full blast
< 1319832801 87093 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then half a second later cuts immediately
< 1319832804 164520 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux what are you doing
< 1319832824 76395 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ghc is hogging cpu
< 1319832833 141964 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no it's just a character class followed by a +
< 1319832834 398136 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: he's using perl so he can hardly just switch regexp engines
< 1319832855 724757 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: should be linear time, with single words (thus very small n's)
< 1319832856 713340 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you could implement a different regexp engine as a perl package!
< 1319832862 753667 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, thought that isn't what I meant.
< 1319832866 672162 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: anyway once you save that you need to start it
< 1319832874 766938 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what I meant with that link was: "maybe this would explain your issue"
< 1319832876 325801 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: add @noidentd to your DAEMONS array is the best idea
< 1319832884 604620 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "sudo rc.d start noidentd" until reboot........
< 1319832886 130572 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that starts it
< 1319832891 28437 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it uses no resources ever)
< 1319832896 212143 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(constant memory and time always)
< 1319832900 806334 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the main difference is that I switched from
< 1319832914 596201 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :$word =~ $not_this_character_class
< 1319832915 668775 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to
< 1319832919 33700 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :startd
< 1319832929 133278 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :$word =~ $this_character_class_one_or_more_times
< 1319832948 836380 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: and then.........
< 1319832951 546974 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I would think should be exactly the same or maybe a bit faster?
< 1319832952 838459 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: reconeocneocetecte
< 1319832955 901767 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, why even use perl for this...
< 1319832955 974194 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :righte..
< 1319832958 825880 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :notice faster connect... happier life
< 1319832961 473662 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :happier world
< 1319832963 464658 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :happier oisdjf
< 1319832966 378380 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not sure, it's what I started with. :P
< 1319832972 49765 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1319832976 63325 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello monqy
< 1319832987 945181 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319832991 301554 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye monqy oh
< 1319832993 286364 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't work
< 1319832995 817202 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :crys
< 1319832997 553595 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you have a fierierweall
< 1319833005 824028 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps
< 1319833013 68392 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: can you... forward port 113.......
< 1319833013 326804 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1319833025 844276 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i;ll try
< 1319833113 580090 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should rewrite this part in Haskell or something, which would force me to not use a horrible format.
< 1319833118 718756 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for storing the data.
< 1319833127 429167 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: haskell n-gram (c) me
< 1319833139 249019 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although mine is about ~999999% more advanced so GO AHEAD I GUESS
< 1319833150 146591 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no i actually can't because someone did password changeing and did not tell me
< 1319833165 277659 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: that person is...mean tell them of,e
< 1319833175 37183 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell them, stop change paswioerd
< 1319833181 935680 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is?
< 1319833193 32675 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best part is he probably forgot the new password too
< 1319833195 371887 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we have to reset it
< 1319833196 48350 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :again
< 1319833199 649554 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :crys in hole
< 1319833204 680284 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought yours wasn't quite so advanced, or is this a new thing?
< 1319833205 532727 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, ask him to not change the password?
< 1319833211 552626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, or change it before he does
< 1319833246 500093 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: im sit in hole
< 1319833250 447472 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait I bet I know why this is going slower.
< 1319833251 734283 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :creying in symphony
< 1319833255 273867 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a reverse lookbehind.
< 1319833262 998731 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, why did you do that
< 1319833270 75331 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, of course that is going to be slow
< 1319833274 334601 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cake "clever" prophet
< 1319833283 601645 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cake "just woke up" prophet :P
< 1319833293 278796 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you might want to... remove from daemons array... except it literally takes something like fifty bytes of ram so maybe you don't care
< 1319833298 648838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, you didn't code it when you just woke up
< 1319833299 696931 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so duh
< 1319833308 496789 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tries very hard to use no resources :P
< 1319833312 458168 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, well, in English I want to avoid 's at the end of words
< 1319833321 322977 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I wasn't thinking about efficiency at the time. :P
< 1319833325 36126 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 50 bytes? Including libc?
< 1319833331 459504 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's shared
< 1319833333 726884 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ISN'T PREMATURE OPTIMIZATION BAD OR SOMETHING?
< 1319833340 143204 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :DONALD KUHNUTH?
< 1319833350 872795 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :valgrind said like 30 bytes still reachable on exit, anyway :P
< 1319833354 795331 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so add like twenty on that because
< 1319833357 430703 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right
< 1319833363 266029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's actually more than that, it's at least...
< 1319833373 928354 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so say, a few kB
< 1319833380 708842 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...at least 240 because of the buffers
< 1319833388 651132 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus ten times struct pollfd
< 1319833399 801258 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus like six pointer-sized values :P
< 1319833405 415400 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, barely anything
< 1319833406 42729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, plus some hidden buffers in libc.
< 1319833407 304607 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really sure how to restrict words that end with 's without making it a negative lookbehind
< 1319833411 326319 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's probably possible.
< 1319833412 117727 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: uh, doubt it
< 1319833416 324456 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm okay
< 1319833418 72240 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: for stdio i guess
< 1319833421 39946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1319833426 484018 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but i'm using berkeley sockets/poll/recv/send
< 1319833428 880154 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not for the sockets
< 1319833437 502497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but stdin/stdout will be open and initialised
< 1319833441 184227 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have buffers
< 1319833447 366338 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, of course it's possible, but it has to fit into my awesome command line option to pass arbitrary regex. :P
< 1319833447 524982 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you don't use them
< 1319833452 559677 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should close stdio, i don't use them after startup
< 1319833460 305489 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could rewrite that stuff to use write() :)
< 1319833471 778848 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, maybe you should use newlib
< 1319833482 954326 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :musl :p
< 1319833505 818989 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, bare metal. as a TSR hidden from linux. Somehow
< 1319833519 594387 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that above the kernel debugging thing
< 1319833520 160644 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMI?
< 1319833522 126875 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys what would happen if GNU merged with Donald Knuth
< 1319833522 460980 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: above statement made no sense)
< 1319833527 376036 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or below the kernel i guess
< 1319833532 206684 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and crerates the unstopeaable DONALD GNUTH
< 1319833533 909108 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I think SMM
< 1319833535 785508 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm... yeah System Management Mode
< 1319833637 937094 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: let 's do its thing
< 1319833641 11687 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: 's is great
< 1319833656 579889 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`macro
< 1319833661 678304 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :UH
< 1319833675 14313 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`macro
< 1319833679 813113 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :CESIUM'S
< 1319833682 877584 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes good
< 1319833709 873930 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh cesium's
< 1319833809 896260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319833826 404396 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what does macro do?
< 1319833828 584553 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`macro
< 1319833829 610980 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`macro
< 1319833830 271705 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`macro
< 1319833836 656378 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmacro: : commitBuffer: invalid argument (Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character)
< 1319833836 939812 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :JFK'S
< 1319833843 74257 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wacro
< 1319833844 760383 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wacro: not found
< 1319833845 82190 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :UPTON'S
< 1319833882 378677 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmacro: : commitBuffer: invalid argument (Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character)
< 1319833883 540654 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good word
< 1319833894 758812 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY OERJAN CAN I INTEREST YOU IN- dammit you already have an identd.
< 1319833903 46212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy that.
< 1319833914 647018 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan that is immoral.
< 1319833922 856167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1319833928 959203 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :immoral.
< 1319833935 217953 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patriots use noidentd.
< 1319833983 115197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a bouncer and a cloak, i presume
< 1319833992 42632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHA*
< 1319834031 273067 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO BOUNCER HERE
< 1319834034 592078 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/ehird/noidentd/blob/master/noidentd.c
< 1319834035 832237 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOIDENTD
< 1319834038 376827 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOFTWARE OF PATRIOTS
< 1319834053 248115 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, was that a dagger and cloak pun?
< 1319834126 421229 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1319834222 717617 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :derpa derpa
< 1319834225 708538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no.
< 1319834257 397026 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, IT COULD HAVE BEEN!
< 1319834258 774808 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I have a lbirary called derpa
< 1319834263 978506 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :DARPA
< 1319834269 357782 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/copumpkin/derpa
< 1319834285 397498 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin, no that is a library
< 1319834289 474140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a library if nobody uses it OH SNAEPEPPEPEPE
< 1319834291 614186 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp
< 1319834293 4888 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPNEAPNEPNWEPFWEFPEPF
< 1319834293 862580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lbirary as you stated above
< 1319834294 310693 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EPRJOETJG
< 1319834294 912677 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :H
< 1319834302 699663 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: that is awesome
< 1319834306 500883 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke is nobody uses agda
< 1319834306 972225 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eprjoetjgh
< 1319834309 827244 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you!
< 1319834324 514314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : guys what would happen if GNU merged with Donald Knuth
< 1319834330 425765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dfgd
< 1319834330 995534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnothing good, i predict
< 1319834333 189540 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: or did you just upload it now because I mentioned it?
< 1319834344 119687 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: nope, check the dates on it
< 1319834349 801085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION declares the logs too long to read today

< 1319834386 371347 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: I would need, like, proof that it was called derpa before today
< 1319834393 340778 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: lol
< 1319834406 895383 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I just realised why DDG will never be a success.
< 1319834425 348409 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof seems to be slightly lacking though, afaik you just uploaded this half a minute ago
< 1319834438 612283 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/copumpkin
< 1319834440 64370 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, try saying it as a verb. Very awkward: "ddging" or "duckduckgoing"?
< 1319834479 824311 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin updated gist: 1286093 October 14, 2011
< 1319834479 986013 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no largest prime
< 1319834480 58309 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cutting-edge mathematical research
< 1319834489 287034 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: STFU
< 1319834491 958234 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was difficult :P
< 1319834496 732846 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke is that nobody uses Agda :D
< 1319834503 420163 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU
< 1319834504 142208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan declares the logs too long to read today <-- but... but... there is AWESOME stuff in it!
< 1319834525 109592 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody uses agda?
< 1319834551 804834 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : There is no largest prime <-- where did copumpkin prove that?
< 1319834564 175276 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's been stalking me again
< 1319834567 187910 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/1286093
< 1319834567 942586 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see this front edge of the science of mathematics
< 1319834578 680879 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: no, olsner mentioned derpa's upload time :P
< 1319834585 488375 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I PROVED YOU INNOCENT
< 1319834592 155228 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then went in search for agda-mocking material ofc
< 1319834598 349008 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'(
< 1319834607 993515 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin, elliott, come on, that proof is huge
< 1319834615 311536 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is that gist based on derpa?
< 1319834619 782364 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah copumpkin is stupid go do some booklearning from euclid
< 1319834622 17187 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's euclid's proof
< 1319834635 287466 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that the usual statement of euclid's proof doesn't go into the details
< 1319834642 498328 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :agda forces us to
< 1319834646 2867 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is both good and bad, I guess
< 1319834649 361807 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(afaict it isn't)
< 1319834659 150920 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't based on derpa, no
< 1319834661 824531 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin, well of course, it assumes a human is reading it and can think
< 1319834691 441159 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :burrrrrrn
< 1319834694 344408 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should learn agda
< 1319834695 641221 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, sure, but it invokes a limited form of the fundamental theorem of arithmetic
< 1319834700 394461 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :that most people don't mention
< 1319834702 136682 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: then you will become nobody
< 1319834708 545457 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an exciting prospect
< 1319834712 474314 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's interesting to see what things it actually needs
< 1319834747 25588 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like how most presentations of category theory completely gloss over what equality/equivalence means
< 1319834773 464069 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin, because it is in the standard library of maths basically.
< 1319834787 361742 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no /need/ for it when talking to a human
< 1319834794 580263 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you still need to call standard library functions ;)
< 1319834802 745444 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't just leave them out and hope the compiler figures them out
< 1319834806 145941 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin, yes, we do that by saying "="
< 1319834809 316716 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is how we call it
< 1319834815 296503 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: why are you wasting your time
< 1319834815 368818 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1319834831 197189 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean invoke, not name
< 1319834832 49815 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin, or rather, writing "=" and saying "equals"
< 1319834865 293305 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin, that is how we invoke them. Example. "5 = 4+1", there, I invoked the standard library of arithmetics.
< 1319834875 123631 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: this is really stupid
< 1319834876 620857 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you invoked addition by writing addition
< 1319834881 686639 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes.
< 1319834884 954057 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wrote the symbol +
< 1319834885 431943 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulationse
< 1319834889 833563 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin, exactly what I was saying. :P
< 1319834896 29243 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does euclid's proof mention the fundamental theorem of math?
< 1319834896 697075 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric := = + --vorpal
< 1319834898 90366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, try saying it as a verb. Very awkward: "ddging" or "duckduckgoing"? <-- just call it "quacking" and a day.
< 1319834899 326253 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is this going. why is this going.
< 1319834899 732500 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :arithmetic
< 1319834905 503618 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't
< 1319834906 657109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, awesome
< 1319834907 842178 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  where is this going. why is this going.
< 1319834909 890097 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :698)  where is this going. why is this going.
< 1319834912 634940 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION likes "the fundamental theorem of math"

< 1319834913 455442 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are implicitly invoking it because it doesn't work otherwise
< 1319834919 23162 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be like me writing x = 4 7
< 1319834926 120905 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hoping the compiler can figure out that a + belongs there
< 1319834927 228487 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :698 quotes? wow
< 1319834929 387968 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if there was any context, but I hope not.
< 1319834934 595930 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 697
< 1319834937 129093 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :697)  Magnetic butterfly is slower than cat and restarting if you make a mistake is slower than vi is slower than mind-reading.
< 1319834967 165548 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin, it assumes that it is defined in the context of the theory used for the proof. You start the proof with the meaning of the basics already available normally. Of course agda needs more
< 1319834972 432652 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey which one in the logs was which :P
< 1319835079 523929 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm saying it wasn't obvious to me that that the proof needed it, until I sat down and worked through the details of the proof
< 1319835089 688396 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaving things implicit increases perceived clarity
< 1319835090 248615 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin, ah okay
< 1319835092 710147 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's a one-line proof
< 1319835103 919967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what?
< 1319835105 238795 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :but decreases actual clarity, because you don't know what's actually being used behind the scenes
< 1319835116 919300 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, agda takes it to the other extreme
< 1319835117 702120 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:12:38:  goDown x <|> goRight x <|> (goUp >>= goNext)
< 1319835117 774624 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:16:23:  (goRight x >>= goBottom) <|> goUp x
< 1319835123 144955 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: which one of those does parents first :P
< 1319835142 286618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former
< 1319835148 567641 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx
< 1319835189 248061 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1319835223 172624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: i presume it is used when you conclude that there is a prime dividing p1...pn+1
< 1319835231 909611 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1319835275 160048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a pretty trivial induction compared to the full theorem though, i think
< 1319835356 963045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*full fundamental theorem
< 1319835406 31768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's the fundamental theorem of arithmetic, i think, not math.  there is also a different fundamental theorem of algebra.
< 1319835431 48917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which says that every non-constant complex polynomial has a root)
< 1319835454 37513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there may be others in other fields
< 1319835483 728463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, one of calculus
< 1319835515 206692 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fundamental
< 1319835517 545722 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :567)  I didn't realise nickel apparently can't be shaped into a screw because of some fundamental feature of dwarven physics. \ 663)  but i guess (x + y)^n = (x^2 + 2xy + y^2)(x^2 + 2xy + y^2)...(x^2 + 2xy + y^2) if n is even, (x + y)^n = (x^2 + 2xy + y^2)(x^2 + 2xy + y^2)...(x^2 + 2xy + y^2)(x + y)
< 1319835524 370705 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 663
< 1319835526 31444 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :663)  but i guess (x + y)^n = (x^2 + 2xy + y^2)(x^2 + 2xy + y^2)...(x^2 + 2xy + y^2) if n is even, (x + y)^n = (x^2 + 2xy + y^2)(x^2 + 2xy + y^2)...(x^2 + 2xy + y^2)(x + y) is as good a fundamental theorem as any
< 1319835531 943829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the one which says essentially that differentiation and integration are opposites)
< 1319835571 351067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_theorem has quite a list :P
< 1319835608 314659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fundamental theorem of poker" :P
< 1319835709 503863 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319835803 602379 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sigh, infinite loop :(
< 1319835878 312357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, with one of my suggested goNexts?
< 1319835904 134330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one with parents first is likely too, if you can change a node to have a child which itself matches the test
< 1319835913 742521 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :goNext x = goDown x <|> goRight x <|> (goUp x >>= goNext)
< 1319835913 815078 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  where goDown (Node tag (x:xs) :> up) = Just (x :> Branch tag [] xs up)
< 1319835913 815280 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :        goDown _ = Nothing
< 1319835913 815388 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test xx = case goNext xx' of Nothing -> xx'; Just go -> test go
< 1319835913 815494 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  where xx' = test' xx
< 1319835914 766124 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :        test' (Text s :> up) = Text "bork bork bork" :> up
< 1319835916 785146 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :        test' x = x
< 1319835918 953892 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test infinite loops here on my document
< 1319835935 42052 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main Text.Groom> test (toCtx (Node (Tag "abc" []) []))
< 1319835935 178224 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node (Tag "abc" []) [] :> Top
< 1319835935 250839 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main Text.Groom> test (toCtx (Node (Tag "abc" []) [Text "x"]))
< 1319835935 251062 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[hang]
< 1319835937 574069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek.  hm.
< 1319836011 26817 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: bug!
< 1319836024 267771 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan:
< 1319836026 117308 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main Text.Groom> goNext (Node (Tag "abc" []) [Text "x"] :> Top)
< 1319836026 189581 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just (Text "x" :> Branch (Tag "abc" []) [] [] Top)
< 1319836026 189746 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main Text.Groom> goNext (Node (Tag "abc" []) [Text "x"] :> Top) >>= goNext
< 1319836026 189853 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just (Text "x" :> Branch (Tag "abc" []) [] [] Top)
< 1319836028 583461 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bug :)
< 1319836040 433041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: will you stop bloody spamming while i'm trying to read :P
< 1319836194 55724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh i see
< 1319836205 783513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes goNext is wrong when going up
< 1319836265 888293 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1319836282 165145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs a goRight, which may itself fail
< 1319836302 432581 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1319836312 69409 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as simple as (go Up x >>= goRight >>= goNext)? :)
< 1319836316 125379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1319836320 36549 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't think so :P
< 1319836330 676442 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if it helps I already have
< 1319836335 204518 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :goLeft = moveLeft >=> selectLeft
< 1319836335 276884 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :goRight = moveRight >=> selectRight
< 1319836338 514147 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where
< 1319836342 352777 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :selectLeft :: Cursor -> Maybe TreeCtx
< 1319836342 425099 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :moveLeft :: TreeCtx -> Maybe Cursor
< 1319836354 372164 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :selectLeft (Branch name (l:ls) rs up) = Just (l :> Branch name ls rs up)
< 1319836354 486788 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :moveLeft (r :> Branch name ls rs up) = Just (Branch name ls (r:rs) up)
< 1319836359 442523 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and analoguously for right
< 1319836373 248984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need climbRight x = goRight x <|> (goUp x >>= climbRight)
< 1319836377 566873 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1319836380 126367 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense
< 1319836384 989813 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, random thought, we have no danes here do we?
< 1319836421 108130 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well obviously not, everyone here is finnish, norwegian, swedish or from hexham)
< 1319836441 33085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then goNext x = goDown x <|> climbRight, maybe
< 1319836467 875014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and then goNext x = goDown x <|> climbRight x, maybe
< 1319836480 953889 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, excuse me there is only one person from Hexham here.
< 1319836483 754736 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main Text.Groom> goNext (Node (Tag "abc" []) [Text "x"] :> Top)
< 1319836483 910133 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just (Text "x" :> Branch (Tag "abc" []) [] [] Top)
< 1319836483 982369 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main Text.Groom> goNext (Node (Tag "abc" []) [Text "x"] :> Top) >>= goNext
< 1319836483 982526 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing
< 1319836484 934024 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks good
< 1319836487 285631 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to try it on the larger tre
< 1319836488 802585 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tree
< 1319836499 379494 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: all of you are the same person!?
< 1319836502 123054 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1319836504 636406 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: works :)
< 1319836534 229392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume climbRight will fail if it reaches the top, which is probably what you want
< 1319836550 72814 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that would correspond to reaching the end of the tree
< 1319836555 367346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1319836643 593970 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what I don't like is how the goNext has to be done outside of the "transformation" operation so that the end Nothing case can be handled...
< 1319836655 439273 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels like the kind of thing you should be able to abstract into a loop only involving the one function
< 1319836726 840512 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: maybe forcing goNext is the right thing though :P
< 1319836838 86639 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319836928 630672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm, random thought, we have no danes here do we? <-- i thought we had one recently, but i may be confused as i don't quite recall who it is
< 1319836959 733496 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :could've been a swede from scania?
< 1319836979 222712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o
< 1319836981 770518 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm I wonder how you remove nodes this way
< 1319836985 264328 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to remove all text nodes but
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< 1319836992 35312 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test' (Text s :> up) = select{Left,Right} up
< 1319836993 170989 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :both fail
< 1319837000 128679 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. yield Nothing as soon as Text is hit)
< 1319837025 329046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh right a removal tends to leave you on a Cursor in spirit...
< 1319837039 622049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might not have anything either before or after it, or even both
< 1319837040 953503 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh wait, what we need is goNext for /Cursors/, i think
< 1319837049 135796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1319837066 86314 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like most operations on TreeCtxs involve stuffing them back into a Cursor then performing an operation on the Cursor which unpacks it into a context again :)
< 1319837071 673747 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so moveNext :/
< 1319837076 277839 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a tricky one
< 1319837078 776953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well actually that's just your moveRight isn't it
< 1319837088 972058 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so
< 1319837089 914550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm
< 1319837092 153173 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :moveRight :: TreeCtx -> Maybe Cursor
< 1319837092 225446 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :moveRight (l :> Branch name ls rs up) = Just (Branch name (l:ls) rs up)
< 1319837092 225561 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :moveRight _ = Nothing
< 1319837094 157075 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :look ma, no ascension
< 1319837116 212309 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so what's needed is
< 1319837119 736926 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cursor -> Maybe TreeCtx
< 1319837123 86148 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's actually selectNext
< 1319837126 483092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you want an edit to always end on a Cursor, which may be just next to what was handled or even deleted
< 1319837134 53869 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1319837137 500931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :selectRight is downwards movement
< 1319837151 741986 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh so I actually want (TreeCtx -> Cursor), not (TreeCtx -> TreeCtx)?
< 1319837156 878528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and _then_ the main loop can to the goNext :: Cursor -> Maybe TreeCtx
< 1319837172 183895 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :misnaming >:E
< 1319837174 961531 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's moveNext
< 1319837179 291778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1319837194 357685 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :goFoo :: TreeCtx -> Maybe TreeCtx -- looks like moveFoo >=> selectFoo at least for left/right
< 1319837199 42271 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :selectFoo :: Cursor -> Maybe TreeCtx
< 1319837202 784248 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :moveFoo :: TreeCtx -> Maybe Cursor
< 1319837215 448767 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so I need to write moveNext
< 1319837223 254774 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I think the eqivalent of goDown is just moveRight
< 1319837227 499643 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1319837228 338223 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :selectRight
< 1319837231 989290 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :selectRight (Branch name ls (r:rs) up) = Just (r :> Branch name ls rs up)
< 1319837239 915707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: goNext = moveRight >=> selectNext
< 1319837257 787646 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree, I'll define selectNext first though
< 1319837274 740451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point there is that the edit itself has enough information to do the moveRight, and it doesn't even need to know whether or not you do parents first
< 1319837292 200218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oops
< 1319837299 997134 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ?
< 1319837305 252161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does, darn
< 1319837317 85057 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i can't figure out selectNext
< 1319837322 35897 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I don't know what climbRight should be
< 1319837360 660146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think...
< 1319837380 433368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you actually need a moveNext, which just goes to the next _Cursor_
< 1319837408 53441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :moveNext :: TreeCtx -> Maybe Cursor -- are you sure you mean this?
< 1319837408 126981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :moveNext = moveDown <|> climbRight
< 1319837431 8180 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, but what does climbRight look like here :P
< 1319837442 162128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+x /g
< 1319837481 694784 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1319837491 623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :climbRight x = moveRight <|> (goUp >>= climbRight)
< 1319837494 524446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1319837500 479056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :climbRight x = moveRight x <|> (goUp x >>= climbRight)
< 1319837524 652515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait hm
< 1319837532 247625 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there isn't a moveDown.
< 1319837532 888029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a moveRight cannot actually fail
< 1319837537 715143 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there can be though
< 1319837543 404359 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um sure it can
< 1319837547 235612 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :moveRight :: TreeCtx -> Maybe Cursor
< 1319837547 307782 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :moveRight (l :> Branch name ls rs up) = Just (Branch name (l:ls) rs up)
< 1319837547 307860 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :moveRight _ = Nothing
< 1319837547 658468 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1319837550 397186 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider (l :> Top)
< 1319837564 709803 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks oerjan has completely muddled up the naming scheme.

< 1319837585 81407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.  but in that case yo don't need to try anything further.
< 1319837607 367717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so climbRight = moveRight, simply
< 1319837610 894554 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :move is like pressing the right arrow button while text is selected, going from it to a /cursor/; select is shift-arrow key in one direction from a cursor, producing a selection (TreeCttx)
< 1319837613 822371 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, huh
< 1319837621 918164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait hm
< 1319837624 900153 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_<
< 1319837640 739043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Top is actually tricky
< 1319837679 86275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it has a non-Tag as its element
< 1319837706 400169 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that can never happen in reality :)
< 1319837707 842368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then there doesn't actually _exist_ a Cursor for inserting it
< 1319837709 439604 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that reassures you
< 1319837714 591809 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is _always_ a root tag
< 1319837722 258371 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would express this in the types if I could think of a non-ugly way to do it
< 1319837749 627203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok in that case moveRight cannot fail for our use case
< 1319837766 454879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the edit part
< 1319837794 448660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :moveNext = moveDown <|> moveRight
< 1319837818 911140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there isn't a down direction, you're not at the root tag, so the moveRight must succeed
< 1319837832 325497 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you realise that moveNext can fail?
< 1319837836 653025 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. being at the root tag
< 1319837837 530771 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ko
< 1319837853 100236 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1319837853 232454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you never apply it to the root tag when parents are done first
< 1319837862 335548 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1319837863 884799 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is moveDown
< 1319837880 466052 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : but you never apply it to the root tag when parents are done first
< 1319837884 940356 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you apply it to the root tag first thing...
< 1319837942 158502 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if I come back tomorrow will you have the answers :P
< 1319838128 351697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :moveDown (Node tag children :> up) = Just (Branch tag [] children up)
< 1319838186 962654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think.
< 1319838231 235978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh hm moveNext cannot fail at the root tag, because it has children.
< 1319838242 240138 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I'm gonna sleep on this :P
< 1319838243 401016 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
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< 1319842615 535586 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
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< 1319842637 311413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good evening
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< 1319844619 932345 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep

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< 1319846456 137817 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think there are a severe deficiency of esoteric markup languages
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< 1319846522 464658 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-252-200.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because esoteric languages are historically a lot of turing tarpits
< 1319846715 349139 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-158.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write an esoteric markup language
< 1319846743 562862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on smileys, no doubt
< 1319846754 967309 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-158.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. that's an awesome idea
< 1319846755 607579 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3
< 1319846760 559901 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this idea~
< 1319846773 540246 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-158.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hugs madoka-kaname <3

< 1319846962 641437 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hug ^_^

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< 1319856936 896318 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..
< 1319856952 72578 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: tiffany: NO JOY ALLOWED
< 1319856996 609774 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::<
< 1319857001 23319 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION slaps CakeProphet with a heart

< 1319857041 748446 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay... I feel better now.
< 1319857224 273164 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my source of transportation is once again
< 1319857224 921062 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :dead
< 1319857228 181067 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :$2500 later.
< 1319857248 175163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad carma
< 1319857276 668834 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. -_-
< 1319857296 156530 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's that flyswatter?
< 1319857304 218730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right here
< 1319857341 513515 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION slaps oerjan with a saucepan instead  ==\__/

< 1319857353 60974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1319857700 267379 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's something simple though
< 1319857706 238757 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :involving not correctly putting in the CV axle.
< 1319857900 462482 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the thing that goes from the transmission to the wheels to make them turn in a front-wheel drive car)
< 1319858050 321123 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319858374 790453 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what version of internet explorer works best in wine?
< 1319858528 594717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the older the better, right?
< 1319858533 6574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cackles evilly

< 1319858722 218214 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-118.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1319858894 164560 :Nisstyre!~yours@infocalypse-net.info PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1319859968 476142 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a present for you oerjan: ======[]
< 1319859981 58302 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to get cakeprophet back
< 1319860065 724530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1319860109 666387 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i don't think i've ever seen you use a sledge-o-matic, so i went out and got one just for you
< 1319860269 608831 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep
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< 1319864474 87052 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :allValues = h allValues allValues where { f 0 x _ = x; f n x y = liftM2 (:) y $ f (n - 1) x y; g x y = maybe undefined id $ lookup y x; h x y = g . zip x <$> f (length x) [[]] y; };
< 1319864515 284590 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This appears to work to make a list of all functions between two types, I think.
< 1319864646 905890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming the types are finite, perhaps
< 1319864669 468332 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the types are finite.
< 1319864723 2560 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even works for functions between function types, since I defined a Eq instance for those types.
< 1319864740 357230 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (Eq y, AllValues x) => Eq (x -> y)
< 1319864861 404585 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip const const
< 1319864862 653627 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b. b -> b
< 1319864879 245594 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\a b c -> b)
< 1319864879 916975 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :const const
< 1319864903 255965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip const undefined
< 1319864904 52825 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b. b -> b
< 1319865162 406352 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src sequence
< 1319865163 36884 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sequence []     = return []
< 1319865163 232060 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sequence (x:xs) = do v <- x; vs <- sequence xs; return (v:vs)
< 1319865163 307383 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- OR: sequence = foldr (liftM2 (:)) (return [])
< 1319865294 930084 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL that unicode strings may be difficult to search through
< 1319865313 833736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yes
< 1319865336 129533 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! at topic :(
< 1319865409 653231 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, the part about tearing up mr. mccarthy's exquisite corpse?
< 1319865429 274034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let f 0 x _ = x; f n x y = liftM2 (:) y $ f (n - 1) x y in f
< 1319865429 982640 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t (m :: * -> *) a1. (Monad m, Num t) => t -> m [a1] -> m a1 -> m [a1]
< 1319865462 610527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let f n x y = sequence $ replicate n y ++ [x] in f
< 1319865463 369524 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a. (Monad m) => Int -> m a -> m a -> m [a]
< 1319865474 887723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm not quite
< 1319865484 398859 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to the instance I have, it is that, like in mathematics $0^0=1$ and that seem very reasonable to me.
< 1319865496 969681 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0 ^ 0
< 1319865498 258215 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1
< 1319865520 185632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1319865550 651598 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me it is correct although some people disagree.
< 1319865551 104335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let f n x y = sequence $ replicate n y ++ [[x]] in f
< 1319865551 922533 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. Int -> a -> [a] -> [[a]]
< 1319865555 864965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1319865565 635620 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe in specific fields you might not want $0^0=1$ but in general I think it is correct.
< 1319865571 185862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319865577 517261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let f n x y = sequence $ replicate n y ++ [return x] in f
< 1319865578 178187 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a (m :: * -> *). (Monad m) => Int -> a -> m a -> m [a]
< 1319865597 271697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not the same :(
< 1319865670 6186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let f n x y = foldr (liftM2 (:)) x $ replicate n y in f
< 1319865670 745680 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a1. (Monad m) => Int -> m [a1] -> m a1 -> m [a1]
< 1319865693 448693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now that is right i think
< 1319865706 656054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let f n x y = foldr (liftM2 (:)) x $ genericReplicate n y in f
< 1319865707 456550 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall i (m :: * -> *) a1. (Integral i, Monad m) => i -> m [a1] -> m a1 -> m [a1]
< 1319867445 634775 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can the solar time be an Arabic Part?
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< 1319869736 992457 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle IO a -> a
< 1319869737 795574 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign unsafePerformIO :: IO a -> a
< 1319869737 966271 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.ByteString.Internal inlinePerformIO :: IO a -> a
< 1319869738 158580 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.IO.Unsafe unsafePerformIO :: IO a -> a
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< 1319871670 134018 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-204.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrllo!
< 1319871787 726820 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellc.
< 1319872193 245340 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, to make it more dynamic, wipeout_text("Hello", 3, 0) or something. (See: http://p.zem.fi/ka4r )
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< 1319876802 360452 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad.Omega is cool
< 1319878513 869795 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1319878526 952212 :CakeProphet!621235b2@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi gaiz.
< 1319878665 495767 :CakeProphet!621235b2@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in a orthogonally persistent system, it makes more sense to explicitly delete than it does to explicitly save.
< 1319878692 416714 :CakeProphet!621235b2@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a word processor, for example, you never save, but instead delete untitlted / scratch documents when they're no longer wanted.
< 1319878828 952461 :CakeProphet!621235b2@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe to help people who aren't familiar with that paradigm, it could by default have untitlted documents in an auto-delete mode, so that they disappear without the user thinking about it whenever it's appropriate for them to disappear. Once they're named then they continue as persistent denizens of memory.
< 1319879125 563371 :CakeProphet!621235b2@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, since there's no traditional hierarchical filesystem I suppose each individual program would have a component that manages its (what would usually be called) files and allows them to be "opened" (not really much of an open anymore; requesting better nomenclature) for use.
< 1319879158 336583 :CakeProphet!621235b2@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like visit instead of open.
< 1319879247 619141 :CakeProphet!621235b2@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for most programs that would be as simple as maintaining some sort of associative structure with a UI to browse it.
< 1319879288 600020 :CakeProphet!621235b2@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only problem I can see is that programs could easily become possessive about their various documents, which would typically have free access by any other program but now must be explicitly shared.
< 1319879299 476398 :CakeProphet!621235b2@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good for security, I guess.
< 1319879475 297211 :CakeProphet!621235b2@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :without a system-wide component to make these "files" available to other programs, you basically end up having to reinvent data sharing over and over instead of serialization/persistence.
< 1319879663 45132 :CakeProphet!621235b2@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: isn't that right?
< 1319879664 270451 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: actually,,,it could operate on compiled code instead of having the nn's weights emulate the convolution signal ( well, not sure whether absent-optional? is almost always going to be
< 1319879983 414385 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319880053 242779 :CakeProphet!621235b2@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, instead of saving things
< 1319880063 316409 :CakeProphet!621235b2@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could commit versions.
< 1319881552 431582 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319881574 870086 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1319881738 245226 :CakeProphet!621235b2@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1319882073 543594 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just worked out why my Pietbot isn't assembling correctly
< 1319882500 566362 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost there!
< 1319882540 642833 :CakeProphet!621235b2@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: what language?
< 1319882544 673035 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piet
< 1319882559 999013 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, Piet Assembler
< 1319882586 361083 :CakeProphet!621235b2@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1319882598 302354 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet is scared of Piet
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< 1319883109 368641 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott I tried to download the last c-intercal today, but the download link timed out. So I'm currently unable to update the Arch Linux package.
< 1319883110 75142 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1319883719 877319 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: well done.. bowing out
< 1319884277 144565 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319884295 803408 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: programs are so 60's though
< 1319884300 411884 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1319884307 33665 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I.... no.
< 1319884317 761377 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are a retarded idea
< 1319884331 201037 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think programs are... a good idea?
< 1319884334 29280 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a user's perspective
< 1319884340 363409 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would be wrong
< 1319884344 719469 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a programmer's perspective programs make perfect sense.
< 1319884354 590057 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the fuck cares?
< 1319884359 633968 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :programmers.
< 1319884363 717791 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1319884367 679880 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck programmers
< 1319884369 70820 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case how do you logically divide code.
< 1319884393 643095 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :err functions and shit?
< 1319884415 1825 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like i always do when i program
< 1319884446 820356 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i don't do is write multiple programs that interface each other clumsily just to have a nice logical division
< 1319884455 595803 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :programs are a retarded idea
< 1319884461 157967 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fuck programmers
< 1319884464 221678 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm leaving
< 1319884471 505275 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolokay
< 1319884719 768744 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1319884868 256362 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319885121 172196 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319885336 171600 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319885525 129417 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db43c8d.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319885628 39080 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I knew what I was doing, Pietbot would be in this channel
< 1319885903 103474 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: what do you not know.
< 1319885912 623979 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piet? IRC?
< 1319885928 177269 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC
< 1319885932 371800 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Netcat
< 1319885961 500770 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When Pietbot is ran, it outputs:
< 1319885996 65437 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NICK Pietbot
< 1319885996 174770 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :USER Pietbot 0 * :Pietbot
< 1319885996 174978 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRIVMSG nickserv :identify [password]
< 1319885996 175088 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JOIN #esoteric
< 1319886000 477534 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But when I plug it into netcat, nothing happens
< 1319886057 752352 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you invoking netcat
< 1319886064 432773 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nc.traditional -e ./bot irc.freenode.net 6667
< 1319886165 369289 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why nc.traditional
< 1319886168 149339 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get:
< 1319886169 699756 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exec ./bot failed : Exec format error
< 1319886197 674155 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem with the assembler?
< 1319886230 198204 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to run fine when not connected
< 1319886243 467377 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I just type in ./bot
< 1319886269 259487 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :try using regular nc with a pipe.
< 1319886284 236468 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know anything about nc.traditional
< 1319886301 247050 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the Ubuntu package has no documentation.
< 1319886318 98531 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just nc, compiled so it has the -e option
< 1319886342 616754 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah try piping instead.
< 1319886361 257787 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :since using -e gives you the exec format error thing.
< 1319886431 48678 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319886435 444031 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay!
< 1319886447 628540 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)df iiisso
< 1319886480 957127 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm...
< 1319886633 360422 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should make it say "R"
< 1319886633 439991 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)q
< 1319886677 103112 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319886681 492173 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn
< 1319886686 181761 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what the problem is
< 1319886804 212433 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could someone please kick Pietbot?
< 1319886958 71253 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319886967 982054 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's try this again
< 1319887049 699794 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)df iiisso
< 1319887068 469901 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Pietbot has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)  Could someone please kick Pietbot? <-- sorry?
< 1319887104 213779 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god the mistake I made this time is so stupid
< 1319887104 286198 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's doing a line break instead of a hash symbol
< 1319887104 286371 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)q
< 1319887108 468243 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319887173 752893 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey! someone familiar with the IRC protocol? im tryin to create an IRC bot, but can't get it elnet
< 1319887182 88713 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elnet?
< 1319887203 943290 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that even...
< 1319887207 228450 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1319887208 294135 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1319887210 218523 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to run
< 1319887235 131246 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite familiar with the protocol, but you have to be more specific than that
< 1319887253 245558 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heres the code
< 1319887254 996200 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/1RVj3DHN
< 1319887274 392821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't even an esolang
< 1319887302 936135 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway where does it fail, you forgot such info
< 1319887316 153867 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"USER CSharpBot 8 * :I'm a C# irc bot" is a valid USER command
< 1319887316 829336 :jix_!~jix@dronf.net QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1319887321 312968 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats true
< 1319887324 150183 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pietbot's almost there
< 1319887328 182838 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you guys are my last hope
< 1319887335 110138 :jix!~jix@dronf.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319887344 996188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd2, anyway the format of that line looks wrong?
< 1319887355 791398 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember it off the top of my head
< 1319887359 174438 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the USER line?
< 1319887367 616440 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but shouldn't it be like USER something * * :something
< 1319887389 508951 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to RFC: USER    :
< 1319887399 86969 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'll try this
< 1319887407 60064 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't 8 mean invisible?
< 1319887407 132186 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try using 0
< 1319887414 208803 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah!
< 1319887445 97864 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to ask the guys in ##csharp but the results were horrible :(
< 1319887459 315611 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks..brb
< 1319887495 154500 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :from an irc bot I wrote in bash ages ago:
< 1319887497 62805 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :send_raw_flood "USER $config_ident 0 * :${config_gecos}"
< 1319887506 936569 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah
< 1319887565 788500 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RFC 1459 does it Vorpal's way
< 1319887565 860733 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RFC 2812 does it mine
< 1319887565 860918 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pietbot uses the latter
< 1319887567 96522 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And can at least connect
< 1319887570 598850 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should continue with this trend of esolang IRC bots.
< 1319887582 492563 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1319887583 16776 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deadfishbot
< 1319887588 884668 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, only IRCNet actually uses RFC 2812
< 1319887589 386213 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :HomeSpring bot...
< 1319887615 722634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sure, it might work. It is a bit like html, everyone tries to handle weird stuff
< 1319887616 880237 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pietbot can connect
< 1319887621 815342 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it makes no sense
< 1319887635 821222 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are differen RFCs?
< 1319887657 87425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd2, yes, and none of the RFCs reflect what everyone actually does
< 1319887663 641534 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1319887668 810548 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :MalebolgeBot -- a Malbolge IRC bot,
< 1319887672 802231 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I LOVE YOU
< 1319887673 983338 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1319887686 108088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd2, there are all sorts of non-"official" but widely supported extensions
< 1319887688 329048 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think...
< 1319887690 374280 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what I'll do.
< 1319887695 931943 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :attempt to write a Malbolge IRC bot. :P
< 1319887700 524208 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably fail miserably.
< 1319887750 160036 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... probably not going to happen.
< 1319887760 162094 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd2, like most of the channel modes. Like the ISUPPORT line (005 iirc), which everyone but IRCNet does. IRCNet uses a different meaning for 005.
< 1319887796 484091 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea.. i thought the chanmode might be a problem
< 1319887797 862317 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd2, you want to parse the ISUPPORT line if you are doing a non-trivial bot, it will tell you how to parse stuff like which modes takes parameters. Allowing proper parsing of channel modes
< 1319887811 251822 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also the order of the COMMANDS
< 1319887830 748885 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just experimenting for now
< 1319887847 957732 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to understand the way how it goes
< 1319887850 42174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing /quote version on this server dumps you the ISUPPORT line as well
< 1319887850 858304 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ircd-seven-1.1.1(20110910-0f177e0ec620, Charybdis 3.4-dev). asimov.freenode.net :eHIKMpSZ6 TS6ow 64M
< 1319887851 98585 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :* CHANTYPES=# EXCEPTS INVEX CHANMODES=eIbq,k,flj,CFLMPQcgimnpstz CHANLIMIT=#:120 PREFIX=(ov)@+ MAXLIST=bqeI:100 MODES=4 NETWORK=freenode KNOCK STATUSMSG=@+ CALLERID=g :are supported by this server
< 1319887851 170953 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :* CASEMAPPING=rfc1459 CHARSET=ascii NICKLEN=16 CHANNELLEN=50 TOPICLEN=390 ETRACE CPRIVMSG CNOTICE DEAF=D MONITOR=100 FNC TARGMAX=NAMES:1,LIST:1,KICK:1,WHOIS:1,PRIVMSG:4,NOTICE:4,ACCEPT:,MONITOR: :are supported by this server
< 1319887851 377540 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :* EXTBAN=$,arx WHOX CLIENTVER=3.0 SAFELIST ELIST=CTU :are supported by this server
< 1319887854 269771 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where the problems are
< 1319887870 22292 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hooray.. we got some ;)
< 1319887874 767033 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that tells you quite a bit about the widely supported but non-official extensions
< 1319887902 248305 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot where you can find docs on parsing that
< 1319887906 794299 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok..will check it out
< 1319887910 765600 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks a lot
< 1319887924 587621 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will keep me busy for a while ;)
< 1319887940 275013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd2, ah this seems useful: http://wiki.inspircd.org/RPL_ISUPPORT_Tokens
< 1319887948 551992 :c0w!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1319887956 507751 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably used that when I wrote envbot, since I was running a network with inspircd back then
< 1319887983 889312 :c0w!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319888094 782964 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably charybdis (and thus freenode-seven) have a slightly different set of ISUPPORT tokens
< 1319888288 97326 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Pietbot has stopped working
< 1319888295 947944 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say "stopped"
< 1319888305 929371 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean "now works even less"
< 1319888494 898197 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@ppp-70-251-229-235.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319888494 970385 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@ppp-70-251-229-235.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Changing host
< 1319888494 970535 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319888728 644713 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I am aware, netcat has stopped working
< 1319888978 521630 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on.
< 1319888978 630721 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is freenode up?
< 1319889051 94651 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, am I here?
< 1319889051 899443 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: it's also gpl, not lgpl. :p going really strong though. don't think it is
< 1319889068 845698 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, while good, wasn't what I wanted
< 1319889360 172182 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1CF60.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319889391 94137 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, heh
< 1319889996 515238 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1319890003 603683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott I updated the AUR package for tup-git, it now builds and works.
< 1319890004 335654 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1319890678 965226 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319892080 86525 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319892094 752920 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : As far as I am aware, netcat has stopped working
< 1319892094 856518 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hang on.
< 1319892094 933323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is freenode up?
< 1319892094 933495 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot, am I here?
< 1319892095 219304 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ( 2) change everything behind it to *make* it fast, make the optimizing pass a bit nicer
< 1319892114 483834 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a similar problem once, in that I couldn't make new connections, but existing ones worked fine.
< 1319892254 697516 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I restart, or what?
< 1319892264 660028 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a router issue last time, IIRC.
< 1319892271 728193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a modem issue.
< 1319892280 546030 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was upstream from me, whatever it was.
< 1319892330 56910 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319892378 671186 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, Pietbot was here
< 1319892398 141827 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319892413 845216 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When Pietbot's df and q commands work, I'll make it respond to pings
< 1319892642 44099 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319892750 284403 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319892750 394884 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep getting distracted and miss it...
< 1319892750 504977 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When Pietbot joins, would someone say ")df iiisso" for me, please?
< 1319892758 132771 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :)df iiisso
< 1319892793 916221 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks
< 1319892806 132409 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now we wait and see
< 1319892818 962656 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1319892826 387926 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :435)  meanwhile, I've been running a program for over 24 hours (getting close to 48 now) which is calculating digits of pi, in binary   so far, it has found four digits   I hope it will find the fifth some time this week
< 1319892848 674732 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a good one
< 1319893002 72164 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319893061 220757 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319893067 725966 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-158.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319893212 896609 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This problem is tricky to solve...
< 1319893238 103820 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mysterious case of the bot in the esolang...
< 1319893313 269279 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319893494 440250 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, debug it?
< 1319893526 830179 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, npiet seems to be telling me the colour of every single pixel.
< 1319893551 859104 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a 581.3 KB image
< 1319893836 663104 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, does the program look artistic?
< 1319893847 238960 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not especially
< 1319893851 678144 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That may be the problem
< 1319893858 175524 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, a very grave one
< 1319893902 168905 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks kind of like a backwards `
< 1319893904 30587 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*�
< 1319893929 760328 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, this (upscaled image) http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet/Piet-4.gif is how piet programs should look
< 1319894225 402725 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1319894276 731224 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319894373 770158 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb,  Ngevd, this (upscaled image) http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet/Piet-4.gif is how piet programs should look
< 1319894405 411724 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :)df iiisso
< 1319894581 562881 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I wholeheartedly agree
< 1319894609 244981 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I just saw today's IWC
< 1319894613 176808 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sad

< 1319894672 626083 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never actually noticed that all of the plot lines had been resolved.
< 1319894687 645396 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The channel's topic is now extra appropriate
< 1319894689 348161 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's conditioned me never to expect any progression in the story.
< 1319894860 603386 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-252-200.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1319894934 62343 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. My primary source for terrible puns is now gone.
< 1319894945 639053 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :The parentheses in the topic are unbalanced. Argh
< 1319894956 356320 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And elliott never actually got around to reading it. Heh.
< 1319894969 184288 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I assume D&D will continue until it is done. I seen no indication of anything else
< 1319894986 925550 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well now he can read at a slow pace and know he will eventually catch up :P
< 1319895018 284215 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-152-177.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319895170 442479 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, he explicitly said that mezzacotta and D&D won't be affected.
< 1319895260 857585 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, right, I hadn't read the entire annotation when I said that
< 1319895311 761580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and well, it is obvious mezzacotta will continue. Unless there are bugs or limitations (such as not using bignums for dates) I see no reason it couldn't continue forever.
< 1319895519 337559 :Jenny23!~Jenny23@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319895531 743171 :Jenny23!~Jenny23@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319895704 383042 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Irregular Webcomic is now a /very/ Irregular Webcomic
< 1319895708 923426 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have a comic
< 1319895873 256828 :Jenny23!~Jenny23@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319895899 670299 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi jenny
< 1319895899 742736 :Jenny23!~Jenny23@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :May the force be with you!
< 1319895915 526313 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yess.. i finally made it :)
< 1319895935 158708 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx vorpal, ngevd
< 1319895951 833161 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1319895962 617832 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had less luck, 'm afraid
< 1319896079 513638 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC is such a crap! ..the first reason it didn't work out is you have to wait till the server completes the host ident verification before sending USER blah
< 1319896141 113436 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second: on some servers you need to respond to the PING :token with a PONG :token before "registered" (not so on irc.freenode.net)
< 1319896242 400733 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the crap is, i didn't found out if there is any char or string signifying that server is ready to go
< 1319896293 588370 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for the USER command it seems always to send 4 lines of text
< 1319896414 873155 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here the working (experimental) code: http://cxg.florianbuetow.de/_e7fab7.htm
< 1319896616 991124 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pietbot take 2 so far outputs "NIC"
< 1319896695 23171 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there must be a way to make comfortable on all severs. i know its ugly, but at least it works that way :>
< 1319896750 196224 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there really is a special char..now back to those RFCs ;)
< 1319897054 701635 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : the second: on some servers you need to respond to the PING :token with a PONG :token before "registered" (not so on irc.freenode.net) <-- there is a good reason for that
< 1319897068 691225 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason is that it prevents using a http proxy to spam irc
< 1319897073 701802 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: avoiding cross-protocol attack, right?
< 1319897077 509301 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, yes
< 1319897105 849048 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so strange that freenode (still) does not implement such measures
< 1319897116 298353 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1319897281 937625 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree. altough it blocks some clients like mibbit.com
< 1319897376 562272 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
< 1319897854 213738 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye
< 1319898515 59935 :FireFly!firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Changing host
< 1319898515 171209 :FireFly!firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319898756 87817 :Jenny23!~Jenny23@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1319899052 227026 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-157-118.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1319899054 9051 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-247-211.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319899583 57377 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cracked.com/article_19510_the-7-most-questionable-haunted-items-ebay.html
< 1319899591 432870 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the funniest article to come out of Cracked in a long time.
< 1319899645 244088 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If you write "GET / HTTP/1.1" to freenode's ircd, it treats it as a QUIT.
< 1319899658 643513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh
< 1319899677 831308 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does it do that for other GET commands? Like GET /foo ...
< 1319899697 865619 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably all GET, and maybe other HTTP methods too.
< 1319899702 255552 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319899707 725597 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't test more than the one.
< 1319900019 974163 :fizziet!~fis@pc112.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319900026 907278 :fizziet!~fis@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's try a HEAD.
< 1319900053 16211 :fizziet!~fis@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just "unknown command", and GET did nothing.
< 1319900068 75388 :fizziet!~fis@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's special-cased to only do a thing at connection initiation time.
< 1319900086 745242 :fizziet!~fis@pc112.ics.hut.fi QUIT :Client Quit
< 1319900123 642208 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At connection start, HEAD does nothing, GET insta-quits.
< 1319900136 743851 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :em..y http?
< 1319900194 605553 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :use case?
< 1319900260 479081 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hagb4rd
< 1319900696 501421 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and POST?
< 1319900799 936539 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :POST /funnyform.cgi HTTP/1.1
< 1319900800 9779 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR :Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Client Exit)
< 1319900808 465109 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319900860 762565 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1319900971 379053 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319901059 887296 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1319901450 322894 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-237-223.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319901466 126598 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-247-211.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1319901727 23404 :kmc_!~keegan@108.96.241.253 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319901920 131234 :kmc!~keegan@174-146-83-33.pools.spcsdns.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1319902044 102687 :kmc__!~keegan@108.113.143.238 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319902244 613319 :kmc_!~keegan@108.96.241.253 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1319902276 460970 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 It seems that the http download server for c-intercal (overload.intercal.org.uk) is down (at least over IPv6, trying anything else is somewhat annoying). I don't know who can fix that, but maybe you do?
< 1319902277 278198 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1319902541 345314 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81e271.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319902703 920284 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I doubt ipv6 is relevant here, since I can connect just fine. I simply get no HTTP headers back from the server.
< 1319903117 902700 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319903559 87290 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319903692 155363 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1319904524 358282 :c0w!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com NICK :copumpkin
< 1319904524 801150 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Changing host
< 1319904524 873601 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319905001 350522 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivia: the first esolang I created was an Ook! derivative
< 1319905011 149073 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It introduced the keyword "Eek"
< 1319905425 459294 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1319905432 216211 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, that did what=
< 1319905434 964935 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/
< 1319905443 422288 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember
< 1319905454 524699 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember a variable that stuck to the pointer
< 1319905484 179640 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there were instructions for more advanced arithmetic than increment and decrement
< 1319905511 392554 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I found what I was thinking of the other day
< 1319905538 563780 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was npiet-foogol
< 1319905583 567556 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disappointed in that it wasn't an esolang
< 1319905639 973513 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How goes the piebott?
< 1319905643 700580 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poorly
< 1319905650 528864 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can connect now
< 1319905653 853066 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not much else
< 1319905678 672133 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not entirely sure why
< 1319905734 209868 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought of something...
< 1319905735 573553 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm..
< 1319905750 431431 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you "writing" it with an image editor, or the presumably-much-easier-but-cheaty piet-assembler way?
< 1319905763 773196 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Switching between the two
< 1319905781 39334 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to go now
< 1319905783 249928 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodbye
< 1319905785 272196 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1319905811 488325 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319905839 400455 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319906091 257228 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319906124 612896 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you going to use the shreds for?
< 1319906418 794944 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319906449 919123 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: real programmers use MS paint.
< 1319906490 817021 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's just ais.
< 1319906553 868125 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only real programmer
< 1319906573 442537 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:09:53:  Or, to make it more dynamic, wipeout_text("Hello", 3, 0) or something. (See: http://p.zem.fi/ka4r )
< 1319906573 764650 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1319906575 338847 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :waht
< 1319906588 360289 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it's funny because you haven't seen ais' ms paint ai
< 1319906649 846211 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i want to see it
< 1319906665 83581 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: so, should I bother reading this stuff about orthogonal persistence you wrote; I suppose what I'm really asking is, did you begin understanding how it works between last time and writing this
< 1319906710 220473 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, strange that lambdabot didn't tell you that you had messages when you spoke
< 1319906724 895346 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, it did
< 1319906729 238502 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1319906731 605434 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really strange.
< 1319906733 291605 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to clean these glasses
< 1319906735 421765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ^
< 1319906764 799708 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway, BFS doesn't work with systemd according to the arch linux wiki page about systemd.
< 1319906773 692665 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who gives a shit about systemd
< 1319906787 416709 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, it's cgroup shit
< 1319906790 667941 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1319906792 298265 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody uses cgroup shit
< 1319906796 312951 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except systemd i guess :P
< 1319906796 607417 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :except systemd
< 1319906799 917792 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :snap
< 1319906807 513409 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, good, now yo don't have to modify ini files
< 1319906809 376039 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bfs saved you
< 1319906812 150933 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1319906845 252408 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't use bfs though. Why not just list the daemons in /etc/inittab hm... Oh wait it doesn't do deps does it?
< 1319906861 280557 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one runlevel per dependency
< 1319906861 390860 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1319906862 563212 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1319906871 980761 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah and isn't there like 6 max?
< 1319906896 185183 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find it kind of annoying how -git packages can'tbe updated normally
< 1319906899 117187 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was less limited you could probably pre-compute the run levels by a tool from dependency info
< 1319906901 401205 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/'t/'t /
< 1319906907 243461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, I don't know any way around that.
< 1319906920 497018 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also find it annoying how they have a pkgver, rather than just a pkgrel :)
< 1319906948 335283 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway, I messaged ais about the server issue. It connects fine, and my client send the HTTP headers, but the server never replies.
< 1319906957 158867 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a strange way of breaking
< 1319906965 412218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked for me yesterday :)
< 1319906977 714372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway how did you update tup-git, I thought the maintainer had to stand down or something, or did thy
< 1319906978 464573 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they
< 1319906988 650853 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, he had done that. It was abandoned
< 1319906992 142892 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1319906995 28586 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was this button saying "adopt"
< 1319907008 750160 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I check the PKGBUILD, decided it wasn't too much work, and fixed it
< 1319907008 898519 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't think something like the aur should have owners anyway

< 1319907017 519847 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I understand the basic principle, sure.
< 1319907025 920220 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what to have instead, but it's not like the current model is trustworthy at all
< 1319907042 872462 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should either look more like ubuntu ppas, with the username used to install and the ability for multiple people to package the same package name
< 1319907049 650485 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more like a "normal" repo
< 1319907050 152840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1319907056 178931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the former is preferable
< 1319907063 1867 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it avoids a lot of trust issues
< 1319907064 299843 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't say it matches what you have in mind, as you haven't really explained that completely, and you're probably still figuring it out.
< 1319907077 403234 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: no, what I have in mind is the standard definition
< 1319907080 60216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you have ipv6? Also check if you can reach the c-intercal download page...
< 1319907089 312926 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't now, and no why?
< 1319907094 297100 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I understand stood well before the end of the last time we talked about it.
< 1319907099 851365 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1319907108 260032 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: well, you were wrong a lot
< 1319907113 156630 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it happens.
< 1319907113 575447 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right, I was worried it was a failure for ipv6 service only. Except with the way it failed it would have been really strange
< 1319907134 212051 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might run on that dd/sh httpd
< 1319907140 920865 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this isn't a joke)
< 1319907141 9197 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319907144 230250 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I hadn't fully considered what the adustment entailed in terms of the rest of the system.
< 1319907149 939734 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seriously, not a joke)
< 1319907158 619113 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: ok i'll read it.
< 1319907162 166384 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:57:45:  so in a orthogonally persistent system, it makes more sense to explicitly delete than it does to explicitly save.
< 1319907162 308004 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, this is correct
< 1319907168 884189 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm, dd/sh... Wait, no netcat? How does dd+sh allow sockets?
< 1319907176 841525 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it used netcat i think
< 1319907181 432762 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe bash's /dev/tcp
< 1319907182 334729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so dd/sh/netcat
< 1319907183 905282 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:00:28:  maybe to help people who aren't familiar with that paradigm, [...]
< 1319907190 481617 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't think /dev/tcp allows listening
< 1319907191 393278 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: not interested in the rest of this line :)
< 1319907197 97786 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I misremember, or they changed that
< 1319907204 250115 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"auto-delete mode, so that they disappear without the user thinking about it whenever it's appropriate for them to disappear"
< 1319907207 660500 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: this is the worst idea ever
< 1319907217 787904 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Once they're named then they continue as persistent denizens of memory."
< 1319907220 499276 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write a gopher client using bash
< 1319907222 436563 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, this is the literal opposite of what you want
< 1319907235 991591 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole point is that things don't get deleted without asking
< 1319907253 143763 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: okay, how about this: aren't there some bits of "user data" (what would typically be files) that are in fact intended to be temporary, where it would be more natural for them to implicitly delete themselves upon some condition? I suppose this could be handled by garbage collection.
< 1319907262 924852 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, this isn't even about orthogonal persistence, even apple have figured this out, try and get rid of an untitled document in TextEdit without explicitly closing it
< 1319907270 730039 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :including by crashing the computer
< 1319907272 275418 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't
< 1319907292 229820 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what, how can it not be lost if the computer crashes at that point?
< 1319907297 110745 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have ever had your computer crash and thought "fuck, I just lost data", then you understand
< 1319907321 674700 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: okay, how about this: aren't there some bits of "user data" (what would typically be files) that are in fact intended to be temporary, where it would be more natural for them to implicitly delete themselves upon some condition? I suppose this could be handled by garbage collection.
< 1319907322 720939 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I suppose the case where I record of information with the intention of not saving is rare. indeed.
< 1319907328 221168 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the computer isn't a mind reader
< 1319907329 924015 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway there /is/ temporary data. Most of that is not directly user-visible though.
< 1319907332 641818 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it cannot tell when you no longer care about data
< 1319907352 390385 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I guess he means stuff like .pid files?
< 1319907358 891027 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "user data"
< 1319907361 854330 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay
< 1319907363 777235 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is talking about word processors
< 1319907365 399906 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was in the logs
< 1319907367 87910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah...
< 1319907414 397226 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in the case of some programs you can tell when I start to care about it. This is how the traditional model works. Before you make the first save, it assumes you don't care. For a word processor in an orthogonally persistent system, this could be the "first commit" (assuming the word processor uses version control, which it totally should)
< 1319907419 91874 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway are you saying you won't lose an unsaved file in TextEdit should the computer crash before you save it?
< 1319907427 444403 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm quite interested in learning how
< 1319907440 726271 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, I'm going top-down, starting from how the user interacts with the system.
< 1319907448 202867 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in various situations.
< 1319907452 337051 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one of those situations.
< 1319907455 911628 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: unsaved = the user hasn't saved it
< 1319907482 88857 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: yeah, no, the experience of someone working on something for ages without saving then losing it is ubiquitous and shared by everyone except probably Vorpal
< 1319907491 560132 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and what I mean by "first commit" is more like "first major revision", or tag, or whatever.
< 1319907506 481448 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would get tons of citations for this and have in the past but don't have them now so you'll just have to accept i'm right :)
< 1319907511 90468 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:05:25:  also, since there's no traditional hierarchical filesystem I suppose each individual program would have a component that manages its (what would usually be called) files and allows them to be "opened" (not really much of an open anymore; requesting better nomenclature) for use.
< 1319907511 257328 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :application-centric interfaces are completely obsolete, in an orthogonal environment this is made explicit in the code if you try it
< 1319907514 848454 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed. But I'm referring to what you said above: " i mean, this isn't even about orthogonal persistence, even apple have figured this out, try and get rid of an untitled document in TextEdit without explicitly closing it  including by crashing the computer"
< 1319907524 380936 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because you have to emulate a ton of pointlses bullshit)
< 1319907528 636897 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, I answered
< 1319907534 930119 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ok, you answer: how can it lose the data?
< 1319907563 455529 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right, that's what I mean.
< 1319907570 573554 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, by power loss (assume a desktop, so no battery) or a system bug causing the normal execution to end in an unintended place
< 1319907581 326268 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: you talked about a "program"
< 1319907582 454961 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the code implements its own filesystem without trying, more or less.
< 1319907597 712841 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ok, why would that cause it to not be able to access the data after a reboot?
< 1319907599 117087 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, unless it saves to a temporary place after every keypress (oh my think of the SSDs!) you can't avoid that
< 1319907613 145414 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes I still am holding on to this concept because I don't yet how it's sane to not logically divide code into... something. I usually call these things programs.
< 1319907616 355703 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :even a function is a kind of program.
< 1319907624 8798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and even then, there will be a tiny delay between a key press and it actually writing it out to disk where it could fail
< 1319907633 698329 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: oh. so you _don't_ actually understand still
< 1319907653 544581 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that particular part.
< 1319907660 516768 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh! I see, we're going based on the assumption that you have the necessary reflexes to crash a computer milliseconds after typing something
< 1319907679 561462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, but accidents like power losses can happen at any time.
< 1319907714 166509 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: perhaps if you could explain how this works without programs, or point me to an author who has already volunteered his/her precious time on the subject.
< 1319907714 421372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you can't type anything worthwhile in a hundred milliseconds
< 1319907720 766867 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so while triggering it manually would be hard, it doesn't protect against the unintentional case always. Even if we (sensibly) ignore such things as the disk dying.
< 1319907728 253518 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: get off my back for a minute i'm busy dealing with Vorpal
< 1319907733 841761 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure.
< 1319907743 864984 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no rush. I'm a patient person.
< 1319907755 942690 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right, but does it actually save the file all the time? What are the SSD wear implications of that. You have to write a full block every time
< 1319907775 66557 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSDs usually handle their own wear pretty well.
< 1319907790 652875 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people need to stop being paranoid about ssds
< 1319907797 274930 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but this causes quite a lot of strain on the SSD, not on the level of swap on ssd, but still
< 1319907814 26295 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what kind of SSD we're talking about of course.
< 1319907819 977776 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDRAM SSD has no problem with any of that.
< 1319907837 527771 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, NAND-based SSD?
< 1319907850 828994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, flash
< 1319907875 992377 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :battery backed ram (which I think is what you suggested above?) is rather uncommon
< 1319907902 698943 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they handle their own wear, like I said. Though there are more writes in this kind of system, it's not really much more than what a regular system does.
< 1319907911 939355 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches the occasional spikes on his disk usage meter.

< 1319907914 875954 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:08:08:  the only problem I can see is that programs could easily become possessive about their various documents, which would typically have free access by any other program but now must be explicitly shared.
< 1319907915 20577 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:08:19:  good for security, I guess.
< 1319907915 93326 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:11:15:  without a system-wide component to make these "files" available to other programs, you basically end up having to reinvent data sharing over and over instead of serialization/persistence.
< 1319907915 93493 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :application model is obsolete, etc. etc., of course it sucks
< 1319907935 453155 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:31:35:  CakeProphet: programs are so 60's though
< 1319907935 731979 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:31:47:  oklopol: I.... no.
< 1319907935 804620 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:31:57:  they are a retarded idea
< 1319907935 804720 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:32:11:  I think programs are... a good idea?
< 1319907935 804767 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:32:14:  from a user's perspective
< 1319907936 526274 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:32:20:  you would be wrong
< 1319907942 608471 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is correct as always
< 1319907951 48085 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:32:24:  from a programmer's perspective programs make perfect sense.
< 1319907951 216224 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/a programmer's/my/
< 1319907965 670484 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:32:49:  in any case how do you logically divide code.
< 1319907965 807850 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:33:13:  err functions and shit?
< 1319907965 880297 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:33:35:  just like i always do when i program
< 1319907965 880369 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:34:06:  what i don't do is write multiple programs that interface each other clumsily just to have a nice logical division
< 1319907965 880414 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:34:15:  programs are a retarded idea
< 1319907967 667627 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol remains correct
< 1319907987 161708 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I suppose the main problem I'm having with this system is how do I pass around control flow? continuations?
< 1319907992 355825 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what model are you suggesting instead of programs? Something like the squeak vm?
< 1319907998 939059 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:05:42:  yeah try piping instead.
< 1319907999 48898 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:06:01:  since using -e gives you the exec format error thing.
< 1319908000 426147 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with a different language of course)
< 1319908013 673756 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's totally unrelated to this topic. :P
< 1319908014 99806 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet doesn't realise that pipes aren't bidirectional, and Ngevd isn't here but just needs a wrapper shell script
< 1319908044 834679 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not allowed to just grill all of my statements, only the relevant ones.
< 1319908054 54997 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: this is called logreading
< 1319908073 82304 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or some completely different model?
< 1319908095 511100 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:23:09:  according to RFC: USER    :
< 1319908095 583368 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is obsolete
< 1319908105 209577 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: CakeProphet: I'll answer after I finish the more important task
< 1319908107 265245 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. logreading
< 1319908112 959844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1319908113 368304 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I believe, now that I've basically removed the concept of application, I now see how this might work.
< 1319908121 419229 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:26:28:  Ngevd, only IRCNet actually uses RFC 2812
< 1319908127 201026 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: everyone supports the newer USEr command though
< 1319908136 65761 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well yeah
< 1319908141 738936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but in full I mean
< 1319908142 391256 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/r/R/
< 1319908145 403940 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure
< 1319908149 785239 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: something involving continuations I imagine. your code bits can communicate via functions, or, well, any other data they want.
< 1319908153 995711 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:45:28:  As far as I am aware, netcat has stopped working
< 1319908154 194751 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:49:38:  Hang on.
< 1319908154 267263 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:49:38:  Is freenode up?
< 1319908154 267446 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:50:51:  fungot, am I here?
< 1319908154 267550 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1319908154 701753 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the only type is the type of brainfuck cells is not specified where this delimiter is! nothing to churn the rest of the java framework in linj because i found the schemewiki.
< 1319908184 458096 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My IRC client when I design, I try making it closely as possible to the RFC.
< 1319908190 27288 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1319908190 537634 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1319908206 804259 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although a lot of things are by macros anyways
< 1319908210 311768 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the difficult part is still.. understanding how the entire system coherently fits together. But, then again, I'm not really sure I completely understand how that works in a typical system. :P
< 1319908212 473728 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, typed brainfuck.
< 1319908233 250167 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:23:29:  Also, I just saw today's IWC
< 1319908233 365760 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:23:33: * Taneb sad
< 1319908236 579017 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I WAS RIGHT
< 1319908238 604755 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WAS RIGHT
< 1319908240 91983 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL ALONG
< 1319908242 50338 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHHAAHHAA
< 1319908251 436919 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think someone on this channel once tested it and found that my client is the only one following the RFC?
< 1319908257 477616 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319908261 183499 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it will continue, in a different form
< 1319908268 843600 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not as a /webcomic/
< 1319908271 259376 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319908273 319275 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, true :(
< 1319908274 601925 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so is preemptive multi-tasking even a thing here?
< 1319908281 562505 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brilliant
< 1319908283 725391 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think it is sad. I liked iwc.
< 1319908284 606463 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: god i just told you that i was logreading first
< 1319908287 173583 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)iiisso
< 1319908288 379363 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: CakeProphet is wrong, a pipe won't work
< 1319908291 372433 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a wrapper shell script
< 1319908297 854109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, you want to read the log. netcat doesn't work like CakeProphet suggested
< 1319908308 623553 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't bother reading the log
< 1319908309 308518 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO THE INTERNET!
< 1319908311 116497 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: put this in a file:
< 1319908313 658112 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh
< 1319908316 479126 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pietinterpreter ./bot
< 1319908321 260829 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then chmod +x that file
< 1319908327 270778 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nc.traditional -e ./thatfile irc.freenode.net 6667
< 1319908348 803068 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you could make it work with fifos.
< 1319908354 989968 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:29:05:  The parentheses in the topic are unbalanced. Argh
< 1319908355 186763 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know who mccarthy is
< 1319908366 140647 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apparently the fact that my IRC client follows the RFC annoys some people?
< 1319908368 667122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Lisp inventor?
< 1319908370 367480 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ) is symbolic of the ending of an era etc.
< 1319908373 563028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1319908374 739236 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1319908374 889676 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1319908389 707888 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno why there are two )'s though.
< 1319908394 994431 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit of a mixed metaphor if you ask me.
< 1319908402 607867 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nc ... fifo2, and then pietbotwhatever < fifo2 > fifo1. Something like that should work
< 1319908407 552456 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Gregor added that stupid thing
< 1319908412 461617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: fifos are hideous
< 1319908414 769134 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:53:46:  let's try a HEAD.
< 1319908414 916078 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:54:13:  just "unknown command", and GET did nothing.
< 1319908414 988302 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:54:28:  maybe it's special-cased to only do a thing at connection initiation time.
< 1319908421 641954 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie goes lowercase in nc conditions
< 1319908423 510486 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay you could do it with bash fd magic I think too
< 1319908436 714332 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: or -e
< 1319908440 467593 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sure
< 1319908442 260335 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I die I want a close parenthesis on my tombstone.
< 1319908442 561083 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or tie(1)
< 1319908443 965097 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing else.
< 1319908444 834601 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(preferable)
< 1319908446 774388 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be all artsy.
< 1319908449 870130 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but then you need a wrapper script (for -e)
< 1319908458 637719 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway you could use socat I think
< 1319908460 172124 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: so tie(1) :)
< 1319908466 279401 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is so flexible that it is hard to use
< 1319908478 107920 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I die I don't want a tombstone.
< 1319908489 483360 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shoot zzo into outer space!
< 1319908499 925828 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to die
< 1319908505 967504 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! Reuse the body.
< 1319908507 91625 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: tie(1)
< 1319908511 650606 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I wish I never was born at all
< 1319908517 898934 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep
< 1319908528 101025 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't mind dying right now.
< 1319908529 968285 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not.
< 1319908531 354493 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, err:
< 1319908532 226103 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAME
< 1319908532 389450 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :       tie - merge or apply WEB change files
< 1319908536 393632 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1319908549 806291 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ tie
< 1319908550 12997 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is TIE, CWEB Version 2.4. (TeX Live 2009/Debian)
< 1319908550 85497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copyright (c) 1989,1992 by THD/ITI. All rights reserved.
< 1319908550 85647 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: tie -[mc] outfile master changefile(s)
< 1319908550 494876 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :tie is totally a Perl thing, the word can be used for NO OTHER PURPOSE.
< 1319908551 61149 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's a dumb tie, remove it
< 1319908556 66655 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :tie (c) Perl
< 1319908565 503972 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, it is from TeX
< 1319908572 686215 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumbe
< 1319908587 377299 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: let me know when you logread to the point of our latest conversation, so we can continue our conversation.
< 1319908588 691323 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be useful if you have multiple change file for a WEB program
< 1319908591 863185 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, it would likely break stuff. Which tie do you refer to
< 1319908606 890712 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually, once you reach the end of the log, you could probably just continue logreading, quote what I say, and reply
< 1319908614 586581 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: tie p === fix (p |) -- with sharing
< 1319908615 107328 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the time you reply I will probably have more material for  you to logread.
< 1319908628 557469 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The format of change files is the same for WEB and CWEB
< 1319908631 958162 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ergo (tie 'nc host port | bot') = (tie 'bot | nc host port') = bot | nc host port | bot | nc host port | bot | ... with sharing
< 1319908648 478522 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My way of getting Pietbot to work was nc irc.freenode.net 6667 < botpipe | ./bot > botpipe
< 1319908650 549762 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It worked
< 1319908659 502514 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-237-223.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1319908665 194344 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: -e is nicer, also botpipe has to be a fifo there
< 1319908665 369275 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-228-60.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319908672 420050 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is
< 1319908708 34585 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1319908711 397993 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, now back to arguing
< 1319908718 829102 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: I suppose the main problem I'm having with this system is how do I pass around control flow? continuations?
< 1319908724 261413 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I totally have no intention to argue, but okay.
< 1319908726 281090 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by "pass around control flow"
< 1319908727 107338 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try -e again
< 1319908732 639085 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, what model are you suggesting instead of programs? Something like the squeak vm?
< 1319908733 261297 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, with a wrapper script
< 1319908735 878205 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319908735 950655 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me when five minutes have happened
< 1319908740 124830 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, there we go
< 1319908745 814967 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)df iiisso
< 1319908746 864125 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i suppose it will pretty inevitably become clear as i try and figure out wtf CakeProphet is on about, so...
< 1319908748 44570 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, 5 minutes? why?
< 1319908755 937246 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't matter now
< 1319908763 598413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so not that then.
< 1319908766 106386 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was when I would give up on Pietbot
< 1319908792 360636 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi pietbot
< 1319908812 193517 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't say stupid things when you say its name does it :(
< 1319908817 74423 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1319908820 639423 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: is that
< 1319908823 155470 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: a jab
< 1319908825 32172 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: against fungot
< 1319908825 394587 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's intended. the idea is simple: merge-pathnames is a good idea,
< 1319908830 90834 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should have a deadfish interpreter
< 1319908832 151669 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)q
< 1319908835 986088 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not against fungot!!!
< 1319908836 482731 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: to go off and do their own thing, here. bf is too slow for it to use
< 1319908838 550298 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should make it quit
< 1319908844 325349 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's uh
< 1319908846 186864 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, well, it isn't working
< 1319908852 557806 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot friendship
< 1319908852 960857 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: computer in what manner to combine them.
< 1319908862 339225 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: okay so one chunk of code lets the user edit text files, another chunk probably plays music, another probably loads and displays web pages,  etc. There are a lot of unrelated bits of code that are probably not cooperating in any way. How are they scheduled to run with the semblance of simultaneity.
< 1319908862 998611 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you've identified the main problem
< 1319908868 577270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, heh
< 1319908884 188626 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I see! when you said you'd stripped away the concept of program, you meant: I haven't
< 1319908886 497947 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway fungot is the only esolang irc bot I know of that doesn't depend on nethack or a similar helper
< 1319908887 443677 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.frikateers.com/ bilder/ sr/ 001/ hw1.html here's the assignment, contains the picture is all black.
< 1319908914 517716 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so there is no such thing as multitasking? that is not a thing anymore?
< 1319908929 196687 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319908931 259088 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Nethack?-)
< 1319908954 595428 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: so are you just gonna say "so what you mean is Y" for every X that I say
< 1319908954 729587 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :catnet
< 1319908958 808171 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where X is totally unrelated to Y
< 1319908959 793823 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the entire system is one functional Haskell program or something like that, then you don't need individual program you can just compose the functions you need.
< 1319908979 287928 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you "depend" on nethack in the sense that you stop working if you can't play every now and then?
< 1319908979 803209 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: these kids today, with their long hair, dope, and silly abbreviations...) and how it works.
< 1319908980 645906 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote
< 1319908982 756842 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1319908982 969365 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1319908984 984804 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  anyway fungot is the only esolang irc bot I know of that doesn't depend on nethack or a similar helper
< 1319908985 380688 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i like the wiki and is at http://ll1.ai.mit.edu/ shriram-talk.pdf the
< 1319908986 649750 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :699)  anyway fungot is the only esolang irc bot I know of that doesn't depend on nethack or a similar helper
< 1319908995 547747 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was under the impression that that's what you were doing, but anyway...
< 1319908995 971576 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  fizzie: these kids today, with their long hair, dope, and silly abbreviations...) and how it works.
< 1319908996 642993 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what do you expect to know the name, trying to install drscheme 207 i get an ordered list of counts of messages/ day each area gets. it's tolerable, though.
< 1319908998 55374 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :700)  fizzie: these kids today, with their long hair, dope, and silly abbreviations...) and how it works.
< 1319909008 110624 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: regardless of whether you call them programs or not, any modern operating system is going to manage the execution of code that performs these kinds of tasks for the benefit of a user. no?
< 1319909017 96497 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can be organized differently, sure.
< 1319909026 744196 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :700 wow
< 1319909030 180950 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: what you say is technically true, but you're about to make unwarranted assumptions based on it being true
< 1319909031 109041 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they still exist. or should, anyway. otherwise your wonderful perfect system does absolutely nothing useful.
< 1319909035 925560 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote long hair, dope, and silly abbreviations
< 1319909038 195144 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :700)  fizzie: these kids today, with their long hair, dope, and silly abbreviations...) and how it works.
< 1319909048 976150 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no others?
< 1319909054 134463 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1319909054 207079 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1319909054 759126 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs long hair, dope, and silly abbreviations
< 1319909080 822378 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.32223
< 1319909085 790545 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, I am seeking answers, not trying to make assumptions. when you don't provide answers but instead take what I say and make it sound irrelevant to the system, I learn absolutely nothing and must rely on assumptions. Do you see how this works?
< 1319909117 721786 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't give you answers if you keep blankly asserting "X must be done and therefore" for various X
< 1319909135 811122 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can say how the assumptions are wrong
< 1319909188 166793 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: basically I suppose I'm asking: how does multitasking exist without processes.
< 1319909209 677849 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cake "threads are processes" Prophet
< 1319909222 410740 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: not when they're of the not-even-wrong form
< 1319909230 57635 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cake "threads and processes are programs which don't exist anymore apparently" Prophet.
< 1319909263 136241 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy "help whats happening this is stupid" monqy
< 1319909266 603235 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cake "threads [...] are programs" "I'm not actually putting words into his mouth any more at this point" Prophet
< 1319909269 277409 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy "monqy" monqy
< 1319909299 391129 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott "I'm being tricky and perverse" hird
< 1319909311 639037 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tricky and perverse

< 1319909322 396251 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hird
< 1319909347 439055 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I.. don't know where to go from here.
< 1319909358 517137 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott too tricky and perverse for you?
< 1319909385 675293 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you should go work for GNU. Then you can say "Well, HURD may not be my middle name, but HIRD is my last name"
< 1319909389 151933 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : `addquote  anyway fungot is the only esolang irc bot I know of that doesn't depend on nethack or a similar helper <-- gah the typo
< 1319909389 735211 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: brainfuck program taking too long.
< 1319909393 56838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :netcat of course
< 1319909415 209362 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, don't all brainfuck programs
< 1319909415 683780 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: kuribas pasted " sqlite3 fnord" at http://paste.lisp.org/ display/ fnord)? conceptually, at least afaik
< 1319909418 215524 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the situation is similar to trying to peek around to the other side of a large infinite brick wall that reaches up to the ceiling of an infinite room. I can only walk along its side until I find a door, but I haven't found it yet.
< 1319909431 853070 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, you should go work for GNU. Then you can say "Well, HURD may not be my middle name, but HIRD is my last name"
< 1319909433 783119 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no jackhammer or explosives.
< 1319909439 64261 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: i don't think gnu is a corporation
< 1319909446 862858 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: deep.
< 1319909449 731607 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should make it a corporation
< 1319909453 275297 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :those kinds of things are allowed in this metaphor.
< 1319909456 393349 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*aren't
< 1319909458 314472 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then go to press conferences
< 1319909523 956985 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh, you know how you were putting off reading IWC?
< 1319909530 359417 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly get Canonical to make Ubuntu HURD, and then work for them
< 1319909530 951054 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Wait.
< 1319909531 403957 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1319909532 204113 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me guess
< 1319909537 80637 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's only doing annotations now?
< 1319909541 442894 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You heard?
< 1319909548 248790 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I'm just a genius.
< 1319909578 437836 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, you have MISSED YOUR CHANCE now.
< 1319909597 235614 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm basically just not finding a distinction.
< 1319909598 32052 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : You heard? <-- yes, he log read above
< 1319909602 838396 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: FSVO missed your chance.
< 1319909613 344130 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Dude, I read new IWC strips, I just haven't bothered binging yet.
< 1319909627 89129 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1319909640 696870 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how does it make any sense that way
< 1319909642 597152 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: forkIO (threadDelay 1000000 >> putMVar foo "abc") -- this is a thread so it must be an application
< 1319909656 507797 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because the plot didn't advance for years? :P
< 1319909663 451599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true
< 1319909675 472852 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, because until around two weeks ago IWC was a gag-a-day strip.
< 1319909690 791631 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in "there are no programs but instead these sequences of code that do unrelated tasks and execute concurrently" and "there are programs and they exist as sequences of code that do unrelated tasks and execute concurrently"
< 1319909698 381155 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You forgot the universe-blowing-up plotlines.
< 1319909711 967405 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, plotline, singular.
< 1319909721 939144 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Fair enough.
< 1319909723 45394 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yeah good point, the plot was going forward when I began reading it. It was around when the fantasy theme first went through that portal thingy between the two villages.
< 1319909740 748787 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean well over a year ago?
< 1319909745 987962 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's not an application, but if you put a "main =" in front of that you have defined a program.
< 1319909746 147431 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :More, even?
< 1319909752 374897 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yeah
< 1319909770 936223 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: You use program to strictly mean "concurrently-running sequence of code", and then switch to "something like a typical GNOME application"
< 1319909771 324548 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the plots all moved forwards without actually getting anywhere.
< 1319909774 353723 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I registered my account on the forums in 2007
< 1319909779 962369 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I feel that the fantasy theme got a somewhat abrupt ending. Got through that swap way to quick
< 1319909783 652354 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I do?
< 1319909787 882281 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: So because I assert that there are concurrently-running sequences of code, you insist that "oh there have to be text editor applications".
< 1319909802 930222 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"okay so one chunk of code lets the user edit text files, another chunk probably plays music, another probably loads and displays web pages"
< 1319909806 532973 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god don't tell me you're trying to explain @ to CakeProphet.
< 1319909807 822723 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :earlier, you talked about a word processor
< 1319909813 87802 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not at all. Rather, there must be a program that edits text, or as least part of the process of editing text.
< 1319909816 293867 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, I can't prove you wrong because you're conrtadicting yourself!
< 1319909823 417465 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: woot, you just switched back over to the other definition
< 1319909832 92386 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've been using the first definition the entire time.
< 1319909840 844416 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because it is a meaningless distinction..
< 1319909845 369930 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1319909846 191654 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the first place.
< 1319909851 939065 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :concurrent running sequence of code == WIMP application
< 1319909858 705528 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why  CakeProphet: forkIO (threadDelay 1000000 >> putMVar foo "abc")
< 1319909865 607888 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is an application
< 1319909878 432110 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at that UI. look at those menus.
< 1319909891 983165 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never really mentioned applications. I've been talking about programs. concurrent running sequence of code == program
< 1319909898 263643 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :text editor == program
< 1319909902 882715 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly a composition of many programs.
< 1319909903 55892 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, OK, look, you know Jade's OS in Homestuck?
< 1319909907 698166 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: sure.
< 1319909912 111434 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's @.
< 1319909913 205317 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That has applications, you dolt.
< 1319909944 704069 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, are you saying @ doesn't have applications or is CakeProphet.
< 1319909950 393088 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I am.
< 1319909959 693957 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ innovation
< 1319909959 862722 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the fuck would I be saying what @ has
< 1319909960 681327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The application-centric model has been obsolete for approximately ever.
< 1319909966 897300 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I don't even completely get what elliott is talking about.
< 1319909997 127358 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want @
< 1319909999 639581 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stand back, I have an idea.
< 1319910001 206081 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I can several ways it can drop the concept of applications. Which way do you do it? Please don't make the entire OS like a huge mathematica notebook with everything insertable everywhere in it. Actually do it, it would be quite amusing
< 1319910013 747159 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, say I'm from the future, and use @, and want to chat on IRC.
< 1319910015 994700 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1CF60.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319910018 89690 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would I do that?
< 1319910029 968399 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely not with an application.
< 1319910032 1323 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can say.
< 1319910033 12402 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for sure.
< 1319910034 941409 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the future, all problems have been solved
< 1319910045 408026 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"thanks @"
< 1319910055 11505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: In the future we use telepathy but I GUESS I can pretend the future is totally inferior as soon as I respond to Vorpal???
< 1319910058 250529 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Shut up @ is the best.
< 1319910075 565936 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I assume some functions will be bundled together into something resembling a conventional application?
< 1319910077 253813 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, maybe I'm a history buff
< 1319910087 733621 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Nope! I thought you understood @.
< 1319910087 908645 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know it's the best ;_;  this is why it has solved all problems ;_;
< 1319910092 847106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well there are a few other obvious way to drop the concept of applications, probably quite a few non-obvious as well.
< 1319910102 831398 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That just makes me think of Archy zoom UI stuff.
< 1319910106 213085 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re: Notebook.
< 1319910110 859349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err?
< 1319910116 22869 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nononono, I mean purely conceptually.
< 1319910120 55865 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is "Archy zoom UI"?
< 1319910137 381628 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Eh?
< 1319910139 407707 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't aware we were discussing anything other than concepts... -_-
< 1319910139 693712 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess I'll DDG it
< 1319910139 765866 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, you'd never use some of them without others.
< 1319910152 997834 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's like Canon Cat but newer.
< 1319910157 907143 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also dinner.
< 1319910159 104325 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that only works if you know what the Canon Cat is.
< 1319910162 254536 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any pretty pictures that anyone can see of concept for @?
< 1319910165 513653 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, alas I'm not familiar with that either
< 1319910175 979461 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: OK give me a minute and I'll answer your question.
< 1319910233 238097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway there is one thing that always seems to end up like an application to my mind. And that is games. If @ gets big people will want to play 3D RPG/FPS/racing/whatever games on it.
< 1319910268 133180 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I just have a loose definition of what a program is.
< 1319910373 972230 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my mind a function is a program. a function can invoke an entire application. in my mind application means "a program that computes things relevant to a particular human-oriented task"
< 1319910387 746413 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: @'s UI, as I've previously stated, isn't actually fully decided yet; there are a great many directions it could go in and I need to narrow the field after I've worked out some details about the internals. But note that the original subject of this "discussion" wasn't actually @, so I'll just pick one possible non-application-centric UI: something similar to Emacs. Here's one way it could go: You would press some shortcut key for "open", typ
< 1319910387 947991 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e in irc://irc.freenode.net/esoteric, and it would load up a buffer containing the channel, which would then be interacted with by writing into it (if you've used ERC, similar to that). You could then open other channels in other buffers and manage them with screen-splitting and the like just like with regular Emacs. (This probably isn't what @'s UI will look like, but it's one possible non-application-centric orthogonal-persistence-supporting UI.)
< 1319910434 217383 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than the notebook at least
< 1319910510 135784 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway, what about a full-screen 3D FPS game for @. Would that not qualify as an application in some senses of the word application?
< 1319910546 770597 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to know elliot's definitions of program and application. they are apparently different from mine.
< 1319910557 60493 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Only with a bad definition of application. Some aspects I could imagine changing, e.g. you would probably create and manage Minecraft worlds outside of Minecraft, and simply open them when relevant, but that's a very minor distinction.
< 1319910572 204503 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1319910597 772346 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I don't think that's your definition of application, because you react with incredulity whenever I suggest that there is no such thing as a word processor as you know it.
< 1319910645 59317 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe you ever made that suggestion.
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< 1319910667 824171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so assuming you wanted WYSIWYG editing of a letter for printing. What would you do on @? Just out of pure interest.
< 1319910794 217243 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: removing old concepts without replacing them doesn't suddenly make everything clear. it just leaves a void to be filled.
< 1319910795 850759 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: WYSIWYG is overrated. It'd be possible, but I'm disinclined to work out how, as it probably doesn't fit too strongly into the @ model of things.
< 1319910805 821276 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Sure it does.
< 1319910828 152510 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's honestly not that difficult to explain something in terms that someone with a slightly different perspective can understand.
< 1319910837 744162 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: If there was a decades-old operating system principle that every OS had a big picture of a cow in the top-left corner of every system, removing that would be an obvious improvement with no need to be replaced.
< 1319910837 839739 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, if we drop the WYSIWYG requirement then? I would need some sort of editor for writing LaTeX code or some other system in
< 1319910843 988415 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :without demanding they already understand it in order  to proceed, essentially.
< 1319910864 939151 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, erm, anyway, re applications.
< 1319910874 317833 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there was a principle that every text box is split into subboxes of five words long, and it was impossible for them to interact without manually moving between them, removing that would be an obvious improvement. (Hint: This is a metaphor for the application-centric model.)
< 1319910881 14126 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pictures of cows in the top left would be great
< 1319910885 425431 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the improvement would be adding more cows
< 1319910886 126983 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let us suppose one wants to browse the web. How would one go about this?
< 1319910889 999593 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Yes but CakeProphet is awful and would not agree.
< 1319910900 326840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes you would replace it with something. Be it black pixels or extra area available to display other stuff.
< 1319910924 518225 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm really bored of these sorts of questions since this is the third one I've been asked in the last five minutes. Especially since the web basically contains a bad implementation of several of @'s principles, so it's a fairly ugly mapping. (But a possible one.)
< 1319910926 937826 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: okay we have not really been talking about different things this entire time.
< 1319910943 414062 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : If there was a principle that every text box is split into subboxes of five words long, and it was impossible for them to interact without manually moving between them, removing that would be an obvious improvement. (Hint: This is a metaphor for the application-centric model.) <-- sounds like entering CD-key on Windows 9x
< 1319910954 278202 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in CakeProphetLand applications can have absolutely no barriers between them and still be applications.
< 1319910955 896049 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: heh
< 1319910956 582661 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, browsing the web is irrelevant. Use IRC instead.
< 1319910957 280529 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an exciting place to be.
< 1319910969 994786 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I literally just answered that, so logread or whatever.
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< 1319911000 380653 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: No, they have the restriction of being applications. Applications are boxes that neccessarily restrict functionality into operating within their confines.
< 1319911033 202569 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, in any case, I didn't even want to talk about applications
< 1319911039 269010 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking about programs until applications were mentioned.
< 1319911042 544257 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, isn't that a good thing? Modularity, composability through uniform interfaces, etc.?
< 1319911067 8866 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have all of those things without applications.
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< 1319911127 654415 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think you're being unnecessarily hand-wavey about @ and the user experience of it.
< 1319911166 822679 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in a system where applications no longer communicate in streams of encoded character data, but with data structures, I'm not really sure there's a restriction there.
< 1319911176 14255 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway, what is your definition of an application. To me it is a set of code designed to display (on some output device, such as a screen or a Braille display) some arrangement of pixels (or whatever said display uses, obviously not pixels for a Braille display) that the user can interact with using input devices in a meaningful way to perform some action that has a meaning in the human world.
< 1319911200 590842 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :People ask "how do you do X?" and the response is "well, you don't, at least not that way" with nothing substantive afterward.
< 1319911229 672885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, download for c-intercal is down.
< 1319911258 220287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: your fault?
< 1319911258 354302 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1319911261 626233 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ... no
< 1319911262 582618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1319911262 725159 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal said 2h 29m 46s ago: It seems that the http download server for c-intercal (overload.intercal.org.uk) is down (at least over IPv6, trying anything else is somewhat annoying). I don't know who
< 1319911262 862050 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can fix that, but maybe you do?
< 1319911270 902574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is a rebel

< 1319911281 130843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: intercal.org.uk is run by Claudio Calvelli
< 1319911290 144669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, right, you presumably know who to contact then?
< 1319911295 685381 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know his email or anything
< 1319911316 680251 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has been down all day
< 1319911332 933281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: clc@intercal.org.uk
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< 1319911369 215634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you don't care enough to mail yourself? Anyway elliott confirmed it was unreachable over ipv4 too
< 1319911410 181360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, I don't care enough
< 1319911414 632503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the development source is still around
< 1319911417 840606 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: would you please shut up, or haven't you cottoned onto the fact that nobody wants to talk to you?
< 1319911420 388742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it even has tags so you could get specific versions
< 1319911437 245208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not easy for making a package
< 1319911467 174744 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't really mind. As far as I'm concerned, you're just text on a screen.
< 1319911467 735550 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I don't think it's reasonable to demand complete and detailed answers about an operating system that's in very very early stages of development.
< 1319911478 39713 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: I think you joined about ten minutes ago in the middle of this, know almost nothing about @, and are also intolerable to talk to, so... I guess we both have problems. Also related to the first statement there, you don't actually realise that this was never actually about @ in the first place because you have missed about 90 percent of it, so responding to what you said would basically be a painful trainwreck.
< 1319911484 774190 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'll answer Vorpal instead.
< 1319911535 17733 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, anyway, what is your definition of an application. To me it is a set of code designed to display (on some output device, such as a screen or a Braille display) some arrangement of pixels (or whatever said display uses, obviously not pixels for a Braille display) that the user can interact with using input devices in a meaningful way to perform some action that has a meaning in the human world.
< 1319911549 820522 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Application" is basically universally used to mean "WIMP-style application", even by those who claim to have a more broad view of it :)
< 1319911560 594425 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Unless you consider wc an application.
< 1319911572 513268 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I, don't use that definition.
< 1319911574 553714 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, I don't.
< 1319911576 889831 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes.
< 1319911588 647348 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What about
< 1319911588 783132 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stand by my definition of a program (obviously this needs tweaking for @) which requires direct human interaction for normal function.
< 1319911589 688984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t id
< 1319911590 668880 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. a -> a
< 1319911592 846262 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ?
< 1319911627 651372 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is a different meaning of application, if you are talking about applying a function to something. It doesn't interface with an user unless you run it from ghci or similar.
< 1319911628 419324 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think I see our miscommunication now, and perhaps understand a little better what you mean by a lack of applications.
< 1319911641 706592 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wc :: String -> (Integer, Integer, Integer)
< 1319911653 816804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you consider Emacs an application?
< 1319911654 368739 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wc is exactly as much of an application as id is.
< 1319911660 945882 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (With your definition.)
< 1319911661 353119 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sure, if ghci is the user interface then wc is an application, and so is id
< 1319911679 548890 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know which definition of application we're using; Vorpal has one far more general than most people's.
< 1319911692 378844 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use mine, it is the best 
< 1319911697 758978 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh how interesting, are we discussing the definition of the word application?
< 1319911698 86449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: neither do I, that's why I'm asking questions to try to find out
< 1319911717 181816 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No.
< 1319911720 742212 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the solar time is really an Arabic Part formula! (but with equatorial coordinates rather than ecliptic)
< 1319911726 866565 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Good.
< 1319911739 814078 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but if you mean WIMP application, yes indeed, it might not be there. That said, WIMP style application could be appropriate to some situations I guess, I haven't seen any evidence that it can't be.
< 1319911744 456994 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: CakeProphet decided to use two definitions simultaneously (one of which I have no idea what it is) and now everyone else is on a journey to self-discovery to figure out which definition they use.
< 1319911750 600145 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a lot of stuff is shoehorned into that
< 1319911763 142299 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's not true.
< 1319911774 339649 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used exactly one definition of application.
< 1319911777 687560 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Relatedly, CakeProphet has been saying things are not true a lot.
< 1319911795 238120 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seem to me that it must be, even though I can find nothing about it in anything about sidereal time, solar time, Arabic Parts, or whatever.
< 1319911832 707739 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relatedly, I think I'll go watch DS9 instead
< 1319911850 152066 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Spoiler: Bashir's hands are magnetic.
< 1319911867 612970 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: typically involving claims elliott has made involving me. (Is it okay if I speak indirectly through you?)
< 1319911880 438058 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is? cool.
< 1319911911 332611 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, it was revealed early in season 2, so it's not a huge spoiler.
< 1319911929 593799 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway while wc may not end up as a /program/ (running in a separate memory space, if that concept is even relevant in your model), there has to be some sort of separation between, say, a piece of code that has login information loaded and minecraft-for-@
< 1319911955 103327 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does oerjan know about Arabic Parts?
< 1319911959 557389 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1319911962 855616 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask him about them.
< 1319912029 558061 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway, I still fail to see how something like a game would not end up as an application in the sense that you are using. Or are you saying that just because a game doesn't have a menubar on the top it isn't an application already?
< 1319912032 119762 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I did find the panel with Jade's OS and it has conventional applications; I retract my objection to elliott's objection.
< 1319912047 117527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides I know games that have menu bars. Freeciv iirc is an example of that
< 1319912047 787503 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At what time is oerjan on?
< 1319912051 243183 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: thank god
< 1319912056 368132 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION salutes america

< 1319912076 717233 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION plays "God Save The Queen".

< 1319912087 676203 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so, how do you figure a game is not an application in your sense of the word?
< 1319912088 182886 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I always confuse God Save The Queen with the wedding march.
< 1319912105 348217 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: games don't act much like applications anyway, outside of their main menu interface (which is erratic by normal os statements), anyway it's stupid because you're just doing the thing wher you latch on to a specific case and generalise it to the whole thing :)
< 1319912117 941194 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"games are KIND OF SORT OF KIND OF like WIMP applications, therefore @ is impossible"
< 1319912121 458492 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: conceptual and time separation, sure, but not actual system separation, I think? as in, they're just code sequences that aren't really barred from communicating between each other in ways that components of an application do.
< 1319912138 635159 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott demonstrates again his "I hate you die :)" tendency.
< 1319912145 320393 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I understand correctly, the entire operating system sort of acts as the only real application.
< 1319912145 393273 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would depend on the game, I think.
< 1319912150 747252 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl food
< 1319912177 113096 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@: the wimpiest os
< 1319912177 261886 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: . ? @ v
< 1319912184 482127 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes lambdabot thank you
< 1319912198 554668 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: lol
< 1319912213 598334 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: please stop me whenever you want.
< 1319912332 829921 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a system that is really a Haskell program that you install various modules, and then compose functions, and the typeclasses can also be used to make one function work with another, and so on.....
< 1319912380 315138 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a beautiful system
< 1319912383 602442 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :until it isn't
< 1319912385 898233 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: btw you can remove the !makeflags thing
< 1319912408 429400 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that sh dependency looks dubious
< 1319912410 39956 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how many programming languages do you estimate @ will obsolete upon its fierce yet magnanimous inception.
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< 1319912425 876686 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends what you mean by obsolete
< 1319912453 932491 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :make all of their application-centric stuff no longer making of sense.
< 1319912511 625788 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine a Haskell function calling a Perl subroutine and my brain kind of explodes. I guess.
< 1319912547 112556 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ won't support most programming languages as natively as @lang, if that's what you mean.
< 1319912566 880345 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose.
< 1319912590 301291 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not what I meant, but it clarifies my question.
< 1319912632 372084 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1319912653 940493 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: btw you can remove the !makeflags thing
< 1319912654 132483 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : and that sh dependency looks dubious
< 1319912655 706645 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what?
< 1319912658 450195 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :c-intercal?
< 1319912664 172104 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1319912666 312987 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think the sh dep was because of -F
< 1319912670 455107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which generates a shell script
< 1319912673 779561 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also some of the stuff I said earlier: I noticed you didn't really refute anything I said. Is that because I'm correct or because you got tired of me being wrong? :P
< 1319912674 560752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that produces the same output
< 1319912677 134555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there's a dependency on some shell
< 1319912681 78946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sh-compatible
< 1319912685 777604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I think there's a dependency on cat
< 1319912685 850018 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's not a dependency
< 1319912698 295376 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: otherwise a gcc cross compiler would depend on the target cpu :)
< 1319912698 808367 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway I can't update it until the site is up
< 1319912709 119680 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think it was a dep not a makedep?
< 1319912714 146010 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what is the sh dependency for?
< 1319912718 30516 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you're confused about what a makedep is
< 1319912723 350864 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: this is a /compiler/
< 1319912728 801611 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the dependencies on the output code are irrelevant
< 1319912729 883807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, one that is needed when building ick
< 1319912732 784251 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1319912749 349762 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: like, if you packaged an intercal program, c-intercal would be a makedep
< 1319912752 584581 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sh would be a dep
< 1319912755 32145 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was compiled with -F
< 1319912766 652412 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway I won't touch the thing until the download is up again
< 1319912767 629326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sh is needed while compiling the program too, IIRC
< 1319912785 698416 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, why?
< 1319912797 597373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it uses a wrapper script during the test run, I think
< 1319912801 932019 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway sh could be removed because it is implied by base I think
< 1319912802 715910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it doesn't, I can't really remember
< 1319912805 344144 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is curious about the cat dependency too :P

< 1319912824 394778 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no use reinventing the wheel.
< 1319912841 11142 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :might as well depend on an incredibly trivial piece of code.
< 1319912936 627924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what did you say the email was again?
< 1319912943 587908 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have time to send one now
< 1319913010 256443 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, never mind, I'm getting a headache... bbl
< 1319913025 829314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because the shellscript calls cat
< 1319913037 68580 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the wrapper one? :P
< 1319913052 423154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1319913054 408188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, probably
< 1319913059 137868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all I know it calls diff
< 1319913065 116409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no it doesn't, that would be stupid
< 1319913067 945987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it possibly calls grep, though
< 1319913079 338244 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, sisko on a space sailing ship talking about how it's absolutely quiet ... but they're still playing that background hum
< 1319913130 879879 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: The ship doesn't make that hum.
< 1319913131 786244 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sisko does.
< 1319913138 274798 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all the fuming.
< 1319913147 542786 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, ok
< 1319913174 56067 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, have I ever mentioned that that was the episode that led to me concluding that the Cardassian Occupation was basically DF in space.
< 1319913174 883945 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, but how can he be making that hum on ds9 when he's out space sailing?
< 1319913218 22453 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you have no idea how loud the hum truly is.
< 1319913251 379951 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: if you have mentioned that, I wouldn't know you were speaking about this episode as I have not yet seen it
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< 1319913272 246438 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, the hum on DS9 is caused by Bashir's hands.
< 1319913273 40374 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus I ignore everything about dwarf fortress (if that's what DF stands for)
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< 1319913328 193124 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ah.
< 1319913330 512001 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you should definitely call off @ in favor of a totally more awesome text-based game than df.
< 1319913340 418553 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EC is more awesome than DF.
< 1319913345 449746 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DF isn't text-based, you dunce.
< 1319913351 463866 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we can argue about minute conceptual differences for hours.
< 1319913360 625934 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(such as what a text-based game is, apparently)
< 1319913375 986082 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a "text-based"
< 1319913397 423462 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in textual IF?
< 1319913405 995800 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "help what is english"
< 1319913415 22971 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know?
< 1319913428 154877 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what IF stands for.
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< 1319913463 537157 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: "help what is english"
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< 1319913509 818110 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's Sollux.
< 1319913520 25831 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ah, yes.
< 1319913530 757803 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: if as in interactive fiction
< 1319913534 841090 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: the only if
< 1319913537 812855 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry can't expand arbitrary sequences of characters into non-ambiguous phrases.
< 1319913568 48576 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no being interactive fiction has nothing to do with also being text-based.
< 1319913578 203089 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :interactive fiction can have pictures.
< 1319913582 949481 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence textual
< 1319913617 359732 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose interactive fiction is text-based, but there are plenty of other kinds.
< 1319913634 159395 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially where text/characters are used in favor of, well, "graphics"
< 1319913659 376121 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes something text/characters instead of "graphics"
< 1319913663 932913 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUDs, rogue-likes, some interactive fiction, dwarf fortress.
< 1319913669 956210 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would consider roguelikes, for example, to be graphical
< 1319913679 57121 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: being composed of text and characters instead of other things that are made of pixels but aren't those
< 1319913690 788991 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a dumb distinction
< 1319913707 913683 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
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< 1319913851 731907 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how else could I distinguish between Dwarf Fortress and Grand Theft Auto or Solitaire in a way that specifically refers to the type of graphics.
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< 1319913932 712251 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tile-based.
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< 1319914008 614247 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that works.
< 1319914017 90262 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's also heavily text-based.
< 1319914027 687953 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if you use a graphics set.
< 1319914038 49337 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a way that checkers and minesweeper are not.
< 1319914061 45865 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose with a graphics set is becomes half and half.
< 1319914064 325786 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it
< 1319914064 998096 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :please don't distinguish between games based on graphical representation
< 1319914069 392010 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That the default tiles are drawn from CPwhatever.
< 1319914079 720552 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is irrelevant.
< 1319914086 696496 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it's a pretty valid distinction, dude.
< 1319914093 778638 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's not.
< 1319914099 387101 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C437 contains tons of non-textual gaphics.
< 1319914100 403700 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphics.
< 1319914109 942488 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a fairly minimal graphical tileset that happens to use alphabetics and punctuation for many things.
< 1319914115 815911 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not what I meant.
< 1319914124 842891 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:47 < monqy> please don't distinguish between games based on graphical  representation
< 1319914130 306587 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :has nothing to do with C437
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< 1319914201 809846 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :2D, 3D, graphical, text-based, isometric, top-down, sidescroller, first person, third person. these are all graphical distinctions.
< 1319914220 897805 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :games can be essentially the same (hereby refered to as equivalent) yet have multiple graphical representations
< 1319914238 499933 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I think we've argued enough semantics for today. I'm going to go do something else now.
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< 1319914258 562819 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd want to distinguish graphical representations of a game, not distinguish between games based on grahpical representations
< 1319914260 259235 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He shouldn't've clicked that link.
< 1319914261 681133 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
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< 1319914316 629028 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I see what you're saying.
< 1319914317 435333 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi bye
< 1319914340 741436 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with different graphics sets DF is still pretty textual.
< 1319914356 2475 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with all the information, and heavy use of menus. it's probably half of the game.
< 1319914373 110896 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the style reminds me of other strictly text-based games I've played.
< 1319914376 585026 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you njeed a better definition of textual
< 1319914378 172272 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that use only ASCII.
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< 1319914400 572387 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy hi
< 1319914402 249684 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1319914450 920515 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd only consider things strictly text-based if they were just that.  they use only text.  no characters acting as graphics or anything. pretty much just natural language. like textual IF.
< 1319914480 706427 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if using graphics may be considerably text-based too
< 1319914488 523560 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on how the graphics are used
< 1319914678 250924 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still believe a game like DF would highly benefit from a command-line interface similar to a MUD but more featureful.
< 1319914693 506344 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in conjunction with the menu system.
< 1319914716 851225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what about an IF game that occasionally shows an ASCII-art map?
< 1319914721 774344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a couple of those
< 1319914738 821990 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1319914757 97485 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the map doesn't dominate the game or anything I think it would still be text-based
< 1319914775 928331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it's a case of you do "x map"
< 1319914783 743472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it shows you what the map looks like
< 1319914789 11799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything else is text-based
< 1319914809 624268 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have many text-adventure games in my computer.
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< 1319915086 930522 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello Ngevd.
< 1319915093 406394 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: btw, systemd gets a few things right, but I disagree with it on several points even beyond it using ini files
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< 1319915491 467253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed
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< 1319915530 60915 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: e.g. I don't buy the argument that double-forking processes are a reason to use cgroups; services should be written to account for these things
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< 1319915544 113045 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I find the "create sockets and pass them to the daemons" thing ugly
< 1319915549 345408 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it depends on daemon-specific support for it
< 1319915606 188087 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I do agree that shell scripts are the wrong mechanism -- this actually makes me think that more that configuration management system might be suitable for the job, since you would use the build script language to write services in, and that would be the package language, not shell.
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< 1319915822 75952 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the language in question need relevant constructs to support stuff like "monitor this process I just started and restart it if it dies"
< 1319915857 136376 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No?
< 1319915862 96821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no?
< 1319915866 6879 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the service manager's job, not the job of individual services.
< 1319915866 118810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone needs to do that
< 1319915871 325704 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course
< 1319915881 400737 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have to tell that the process is not supposed to exit
< 1319915887 80908 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if it is, then it needs to know that
< 1319915888 404558 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's like saying systemd can't work because ini files can't do that.
< 1319915907 281557 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for example, if you run mount(1) you don't want to restart it when it exits :P
< 1319915944 589949 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just the difference between a daemon and a startup script.
< 1319915945 178723 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no? I'm just saying that you need relevant stuff in there. Something that is just a build script for package management doesn't have the right tools to deal with daemons. Close yes, but not quite
< 1319915985 803975 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about the model, of course the implementation needs support for it.
< 1319915996 616326 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway sockets for a daemon could make sense. For example, something like postgresql allows connection to it over unix sockets. IIRC it is slightly more efficient than tcp/ip over loopback.
< 1319916002 44387 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But anyway, no, you're still wrong.
< 1319916010 660120 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :run = exec "apache"
< 1319916015 556151 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zomg no waitpid!
< 1319916021 498444 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming "apache" here doesn't daemonise)
< 1319916026 707085 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it does
< 1319916041 271052 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an example.
< 1319916096 374513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you mean every package needs to be patched to not daemonise? Seems like quite a lot of work for the package maintainer, especially if it is set up with closing stdio and opening logfiles and so on. And no there is no sensible way apache could log over only stdio. access.log vs. error.log, and that might be per vhost
< 1319916122 718951 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Come on, this is patently stupid. It was AN EXAMPLE, and most packages support not daemonising too.
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< 1319916128 715390 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1319916130 884909 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And daemonising =/= just using stdio, shockingly.)
< 1319916149 977077 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1319916191 357859 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway what about daemons that actually consist of a bunch of different processes. Typical IPsec daemons consist of a bunch of different daemons started together. Would you split that up as several scripts (or whatever you decide to call these descriptions of services)
< 1319916248 906406 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh I guess I was thinking of daemontools. It does logging for the services running under it using their stdio iirc
< 1319916255 220022 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is quite nice when it works
< 1319916630 330339 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1319916643 631020 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb
< 1319916674 761286 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, anyway what about daemons that actually consist of a bunch of different processes. Typical IPsec daemons consist of a bunch of different daemons started together. Would you split that up as several scripts (or whatever you decide to call these descriptions of services)
< 1319916689 756128 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, a service description can be pretty lightweight; but anyway it's not hard to add waitpid :P
< 1319916696 615152 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, oh I guess I was thinking of daemontools. It does logging for the services running under it using their stdio iirc
< 1319916702 645959 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's nice but can be implemented on top of existing stuff
< 1319916750 522616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder when the hardware clock in PCs will roll over
< 1319916825 247474 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html good god look at that comparison
< 1319916830 852633 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm surprised there aren't a few rows of "is systemd"
< 1319916878 464463 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: another cool thing with my system: you could use the package manager ui to control services :)
< 1319916894 463651 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
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< 1319916910 997002 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could actually be nice, if the manager is designed for it
< 1319916918 495260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway, I'm unable to find info on how many bits a PC hardware clock has
< 1319916920 742600 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need to prompt for stopping a service, for instance
< 1319916960 733883 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my lol
< 1319916964 105483 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: scroll down on that page I linked
< 1319916964 616499 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCM
< 1319916970 22864 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sysvinit [red] Subversion
< 1319916974 808717 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :upstart [red] Bazaar
< 1319916977 296544 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :systemd [green] git
< 1319916980 240443 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh
< 1319916984 581311 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1319916988 391475 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a joke
< 1319916991 729199 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :poettering is so full of shit
< 1319917011 809470 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1319917030 157907 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bazaar is simply a PITA for hackers who work on all sides of the OS, because it is not just much less usable than git, but also yet another tool to deal with. Quite frankly, I don't want to care about VCSes, they should just work, and not get in my way. And git is pretty good at that. bzr not, and it requires me to learn even more stuff. But anyway, this story is not about bzr, but it's fun to see how easily people are to tick of with a little
< 1319917036 236304 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :colour. Before I posted this we actually bet that this would be the first thing people would comment on -- and they did! Consider it candy for the trolls...
< 1319917046 718025 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "bazaar is simply a PITA for hackers who work on all sides of the OS"
< 1319917050 683647 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much sensemaking.
< 1319917068 344863 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: One thing I don't like about the early-socket thing is that it breaks if the buffer overflows :/
< 1319917079 604187 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes that is nasty
< 1319917083 734529 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Parent-Italian teacher association?
< 1319917091 837979 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: pain in the arse :P
< 1319917095 167796 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, really, all I want is upstart with deps instead of events
< 1319917111 193853 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't far off
< 1319917127 208137 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Meh. Writing shell scripts isn't much fun.
< 1319917140 731827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, upstart isn't really shell scripts, it is a custom language
< 1319917143 196172 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fairly easy
< 1319917145 380594 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, "Specialized professional consulting and engineering services available"
< 1319917146 90516 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I took that as referring to how most things seem to be in git these days
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< 1319917155 675378 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, yeah, but there's shell scripts in the body I think
< 1319917157 314853 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I mean, they tend to be less than 10 lines including any comments
< 1319917161 154078 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never really looked at upstart because its design is stupid
< 1319917167 146685 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a Piet IDE and I don't know what it is
< 1319917190 757275 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Apart from everything Canonical does, such as upstart :P
< 1319917195 152619 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: And, uh, Mozilla.
< 1319917196 140697 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like text-adventure game
< 1319917204 898886 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh btw, I don't really care about boot time that much. From grub to login prompt (I use startx) takes less than 10 seconds on my desktop anyway. And that was before switching to the SSD for the system
< 1319917207 955379 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: And Python.
< 1319917210 346815 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's installed on my Windows partition, but is otherwise really good
< 1319917222 580979 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, now it takes like 7, because almost all that time is spent waiting for DHCP
< 1319917236 659578 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Start network asynchronously :P
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< 1319917247 171014 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And darcs; why are we talking about this?
< 1319917251 399714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah well there is where arch model breaks. Deps for starting in background
< 1319917255 924495 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Nobody uses darcs
< 1319917262 699562 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: My point is that no way is everything in git these days
< 1319917267 348372 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I didn't say everything
< 1319917277 14514 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, shrug
< 1319917283 119141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I hope that was an approximate nobody
< 1319917283 367193 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And I'm not defending him, just interpreting what he said :-P
< 1319917286 575403 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What daemon do you actually have that needs to connect to the network at bootup
< 1319917302 969218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Fair enough... but the VCS is still irrelevant in every way :P
< 1319917303 650099 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hell, button to grub is like half a minute for me. Due to having three of those add-in bioses loading. And quite a lot of disks
< 1319917333 337665 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Boot time doesn't matter much to me but the higher it is, the more likely it is that time is being wasted at boot
< 1319917334 67159 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ipv6 tunnel. ntp. And iptables needs to load after network or the rules won't find the stuff to apply to
< 1319917344 782915 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, it's "yet another tool", so not quite in every way, but in practice it should be fairly irrelevant
< 1319917347 166500 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means your service manager is bad :)
< 1319917348 164006 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
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< 1319917363 326696 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yet another tool for all ~0% of people who will check it out :P
< 1319917365 80256 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes indeed. I'm just saying that 10 seconds is a non-issue. Sure, even faster would be nice. But it is pointless optimisation as it is.
< 1319917378 690846 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yep
< 1319917381 10093 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :now my laptop has a slower disk and takes quite a bit more to boot. That would be nice to have it boot faster.
< 1319917388 109822 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of that time is spent reading from the disk
< 1319917390 354405 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, it's not irrelevant in the server space; minimising downtime and all that
< 1319917428 708313 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes indeed. But why aren't you using a cluster anyway so you can reboot some of the stuff without affecting the whole
< 1319917434 759050 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I guess I'm probably going to end up implementing this packaconfigurservice manager after all...
< 1319917529 64656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm does daemontool do dependencies? It doesn't does it...
< 1319917560 259295 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1319917598 765318 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I still think that an init supporting lots of runlevels and precomputing /etc/inittab would be the most awesome solution
< 1319917614 937187 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the very least, the most silly
< 1319917632 380143 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That only does upstart-style, not dependencies :)
< 1319917648 374842 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1319917650 487193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1319917681 175060 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if PCSM might be implementable as a Haskell DSL...

< 1319917684 870195 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed no, but I might be wrong.
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< 1319917694 744641 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that said, upstart style makes sense for some stuff. Example: no need to start a daemon for printing until you get an event about that a printer is connected
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< 1319917721 471061 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, that's another thing Lennart is right about: That's better expressed as an available service, rather than instantaneous events
< 1319917728 218089 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1319917728 380951 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :printer-is-plugged-in
< 1319917740 491235 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it starts, "runs" (the printer stays plugged in), and then stops
< 1319917744 420921 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually it doesn't work for printer, there are network printers that the user might want to access
< 1319917756 141344 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When printer-is-plugged-in is running, you want printer-daemon to be running
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< 1319917791 433280 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is printer-is-plugged-in different from printer-daemon itself
< 1319917819 342667 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The former comes from whatever manages devices
< 1319917819 506534 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or why, I guess
< 1319917823 223151 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter is some kind of multiplexer on top of it
< 1319917838 90643 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Consider printer-is-plugged-in vs. gnome-printer-magic and kprinterwoot
< 1319917838 862184 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have multiple instances of printer-is-plugged-in I guess
< 1319917847 381557 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both of the latter probably should be started
< 1319917850 735108 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming you use both gnome and kde programs
< 1319917860 746770 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I was considering cups here
< 1319917866 248393 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the daemon to be started
< 1319917878 51785 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, the latter two probably depend on cups :)
< 1319917885 207377 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway I'm an xfce user, don't we get anything? :(
< 1319917899 589233 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's exo-print or whatever but I don't have it installed here
< 1319917905 654856 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use the core xfce4 stuff
< 1319917907 217418 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus some extra
< 1319917925 200166 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which comes down to the setting manager, the panel, the WM, exo-open, Thunar, and a terminal :P
< 1319917935 833360 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm printing from firefox works without any magic but cups installed as far as I remember.
< 1319917947 619966 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless firefox starts that itself
< 1319917963 315645 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without being root?
< 1319917967 996245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1319917985 957477 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why would you need root to print using cups?
< 1319917994 414848 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, fair enough
< 1319917995 697429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of crazy setup do you have
< 1319917998 606696 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you had to be root to run the daemon
< 1319918002 895695 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use printers
< 1319918012 676277 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you need to be root to start cups yes.
< 1319918018 237415 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not to talk to cups
< 1319918033 722201 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Did I mention that PCSM does user-local installed packages trivially, while still sharing the disk storage for identical packages installed by multiple users??? SO GOOD
< 1319918042 417474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :PCSM?
< 1319918052 275025 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Packaconfigurservicemanager!
< 1319918053 518264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway nixos does that
< 1319918058 890789 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does.
< 1319918060 68689 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT
< 1319918061 263252 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so does tiny core iirc
< 1319918077 335176 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can NixOS run daemons in the right overlay FS so they only see their dependencies and config file???
< 1319918085 762 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As well as whatever else they're specified to need)
< 1319918085 827098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe?
< 1319918096 512625 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No it can't, 'cuz NixOS just uses upstart :P
< 1319918099 222331 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that weird distro I forgot the name of. That does one directory per package
< 1319918104 504889 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well okay
< 1319918104 757344 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gobo.
< 1319918111 191200 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that Gobo can do per-user packages.
< 1319918112 279615 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1319918119 289786 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I thought it could? oh well
< 1319918122 887165 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never used it
< 1319918126 444093 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it can.
< 1319918127 453778 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so don't trust me on that
< 1319918151 218008 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this actually generalises to per-user services... e.g. your "login" service would depend on xfce4-sesion
< 1319918153 789274 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but nixos could potentially do it. Do per user stuff and have one user per daemon
< 1319918158 676264 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, x-login I guess
< 1319918164 635637 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And your .xinitrc would just start that
< 1319918166 87403 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just an idea
< 1319918173 867086 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit this runs into a bit of a problem with "how the hell do we deal with this thing needing root"
< 1319918192 375945 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daemons probably shouldn't ever run as root anyway :P
< 1319918201 706794 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from init... or pcsmd :P
< 1319918211 688104 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, cron need to be able to execute jobs as root
< 1319918214 934289 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although even with init it can run almost always at lower privileges.
< 1319918223 410816 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that is what you wrote in the system crontab
< 1319918229 778604 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: True.
< 1319918260 158204 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and a few more need it in practise. Like ntp. Maybe it could be converted to use those fancy new linux capabilities thingies. Not sure.
< 1319918270 459875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and anyway, I don't know how the per-user stuff under nixos works.
< 1319918277 523032 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it might be tricky doing it for daemons
< 1319918289 489403 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is done with PATH magic in the profile for example
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< 1319918322 363757 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh @ people with broken clients flooding the channel.
< 1319918328 35812 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"systemd has a minimal transaction system. Meaning: if a unit is requested to start up or shut down we will add it and all its dependencies to a temporary transaction. Then, we will verify if the transaction is consistent (i.e. whether the ordering via After/Before of all units is cycle-free). If it is not, systemd will try to fix it up, and removes non-essential jobs from the transaction that might remove the loop. Also, systemd tries to suppress
< 1319918328 108251 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : non-essential jobs in the transaction that would stop a running service. Non-essential jobs are those which the original request did not directly include but which where pulled in by Wants type of dependencies. Finally we check whether the jobs of the transaction contradict jobs that have already been queued, and optionally the transaction is aborted then. If all worked out and the transaction is consistent and minimized in its impact it is merge
< 1319918328 975492 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :d with all already outstanding jobs and added to the run queue. Effectively this means that before executing a requested operation, we will verify that it makes sense, fixing it if possible, and only failing if it really cannot work."
< 1319918335 434891 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, Poettering must have some really broken systems.
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< 1319918369 481157 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319918385 346643 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, he started out writing a db engine, then didn't want to throw away the code
< 1319918407 1291 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1319918424 403069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sunken costs sank the code
< 1319918452 768729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway init, cron, ssh and kdm/gdm/whatever are examples that need to be able to switch to any other user. Which in practise means they need to be root.
< 1319918470 403774 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heyyy, pcsm makes a pretty nicely-typeable executable name; maybe I should actually call it that.
< 1319918479 299151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sigh @ people with broken clients flooding the channel.
< 1319918483 505209 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO MANY THOUGHTS
< 1319918486 422712 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAH
< 1319918493 439886 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: brain on fire
< 1319918496 179384 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1319918497 660921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could @ people have broken clients?  that's platonically impossible!
< 1319918504 502941 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Har har har.
< 1319918507 508652 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1319918545 954895 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you know if solar time can be an Arabic Part formula (in equatorial coordinates)? It seem to me it is the same kind of things.
< 1319918556 149776 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you even know about solar time or about Arabic Parts?
< 1319918587 850197 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :root      2104  0.0  0.0  37224   864 ?        Ss   Oct23   0:01 /usr/lib/postfix/master
< 1319918601 76310 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it needs root to deliver to mailboxes?
< 1319918602 615994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww anyway
< 1319918611 83012 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :udevd of course needs root
< 1319918633 687053 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: postfix is like ten million daemons though
< 1319918633 947206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i have no idea what an Arabic Part formula is.
< 1319918639 209160 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of which only one runs as root, I presume
< 1319918650 195268 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, master seems to be its own supervisor
< 1319918652 982091 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of
< 1319918686 976363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway if you plan on making your own linux distro, good luck getting away without udev. I think it will be quite a pain if you want stuff like gnome, kde or xfce to work. Especially with automounting usb sticks and such
< 1319918705 806999 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :root      1859  0.0  0.0  28360  1340 ?        S    Oct23   0:01 /sbin/wpa_supplicant -u -s <-- why on earth is this root
< 1319918718 52863 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux automounts usb sticks?
< 1319918730 455702 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yes, distros like ubuntu do anyway
< 1319918732 722200 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Nahhhh, udev only took over recently.
< 1319918740 788656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my desktop doesn't. It runs arch. Never bothered setting that up
< 1319918747 215140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway I can have udev without udevd; BusyBox has an implementation.
< 1319918754 227205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, heh!
< 1319918757 71248 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess my ubuntu is broken in some way then, haven't seen it do that
< 1319918764 488759 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (With its own config file)
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< 1319918776 979809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I see. Well good luck with that.
< 1319918786 940646 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'll probably just use udev
< 1319918793 215458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :root     25249  0.0  0.0   5088  1584 ?        Ss   Oct27   0:00 acpid -c /etc/acpi/events -s /var/run/acpid.socket <-- well I guess that might need root
< 1319918797 653676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i think mail clients like postfix usually change user to the recipient and drop all privileges as soon as possible?
< 1319918801 225318 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: pcsm can manage it *shrug*
< 1319918808 424013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319918813 255185 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a joke
< 1319918822 694192 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, except it is usually started from the initramfs or some stuff like that iirc
< 1319918832 298126 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does my dhcp client run as root?
< 1319918844 16574 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I mean, pcsm can manage the actual device stuff
< 1319918851 880452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that why the global mail directory (if there is one) is supposed to be sticky
< 1319918861 831271 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I think I see a pattern here. There are quite a few things running as root because they need to do stuff like raw sockets or similar
< 1319918876 184033 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's one advantage of early-socket stuff
< 1319918882 103457 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1319918890 43523 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming you can do everything on a raw socket opened by someone else that passes it to you
< 1319918894 71979 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, eh? How does early-socket help dhcp client?
< 1319918900 219537 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It helps raw sockets
< 1319918907 340766 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubtful, but hm
< 1319918914 668814 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Haven't you used Astrolog though? An Arabic Part formula is the angles of three objects, two of them added together and one subtracted.
< 1319918923 446157 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: pcsmd opens raw socket, passes to daemon
< 1319918925 607166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there is the hardware access class of daemons. cups, acpid, udev, wpa_supplicant.
< 1319918949 859806 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually wpa_supplicant needs both hardware access to configure the wlan card and raw sockets I think
< 1319918953 729733 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so did you decide whether it should be selectNext or moveNext
< 1319918954 338779 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dhcp client needs to write into /etc/resolv.conf
< 1319918961 525838 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, Astrolog does not allow the user to define their own Arabic Parts.
< 1319918962 968389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :smartd needs root because of hardware too
< 1319918977 195858 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, not on my system.
< 1319918984 526656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, local dns server.
< 1319919013 144097 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I make a program I would include the feature to define your own Arabic Parts, for ecliptic as well as equatorial coordinates.
< 1319919014 852996 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where does the DNS server get its remote DNS servers
< 1319919016 665463 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/lib/upower/upowerd   /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkitd     udisks-daemon: polling /dev/sr0  <-- what are these anyway
< 1319919022 748997 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of u things
< 1319919035 530667 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it is a recursive resolver. It has a list of the root servers.
< 1319919038 747066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it seems to work
< 1319919047 975038 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and a lot better than using my ISP for resolving
< 1319919080 141677 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough
< 1319919093 183195 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, but sure, most often /etc/resolv.conf has to be written by the dhcp daemon
< 1319919107 116144 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing that couldn't be handled quite easily by permissions though
< 1319919176 26523 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks almost every file owned by root should at least have a different group and be group-writable

< 1319919189 395425 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. /etc/resolv.conf might be root:dns 664
< 1319919192 585276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i used astrolog to make that agora-horoscope and its automatic interpretation.  i didn't delve that much deeper into it, i think.
< 1319919250 55358 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh wow, the biggest bullshit was from the top of the post
< 1319919252 222532 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The first big distribution with systemd by default will be Fedora 15, due end of May. It is expected that the others will follow the lead a bit later (with one exception)."
< 1319919254 316913 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah. Still dhcp needs raw sockets and ability to mess around with interface config
< 1319919255 983115 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: with one exception links to ubuntu
< 1319919257 651411 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: And obviously (as far as I can see) you did not change any of the settings from the defaults.
< 1319919275 510356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and routing tables
< 1319919276 757376 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on
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< 1319919359 988018 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, does anyone know when the IBM PC clock will roll over? And if it still the same on modern PC compatible hardware.
< 1319919367 98607 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, the hardware clock
< 1319919383 81040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well obviously selectNext :: Cursor -> Maybe TreeCtx and moveNext :: TreeCtx -> Maybe Cursor, used wherever appropriate
< 1319919400 288842 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh good. and what's the implementation of one of those :P
< 1319919419 859168 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the context for this?
< 1319919454 167080 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trees
< 1319919472 675693 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :r/trees?
< 1319919474 644752 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, it has three ways to display the angles (zodiac positions (the default), hours/minutes, or 360 degrees), can work with ecliptic (the default) or equatorial coordinates, can display a horizon view, can display solar system view (with no zoom, unfortunately), animate to real time, timed exposure, a globe of the Earth, ability to change the glyphs for Uranus and Pluto, and more.
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< 1319919566 987757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well i also got thinking about that Top thing.
< 1319919581 699226 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, what about it?
< 1319919623 702748 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh, I really don't think pcsm can work as a haskell dsl :(
< 1319919632 857674 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was hoping i could avoid writing my own language :)
< 1319919661 196376 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, no radians?!
< 1319919700 236717 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, writing a bison grammar is quite easy
< 1319919721 996768 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: why the hell would I subject myself to a yacc derivative, let alone C?
< 1319919739 797650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if we made data Cursor = Branch { left :: [Tree], right :: [Tree], tag :: Tag, up :: Cursor } | Top { left :: [Tree], right :: [Tree] }
< 1319919746 47682 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, it does not support radians display. If you want, make a wiki page of the kind of features you would want and if I make up my own program, based on Swiss Ephemeris, I might consider some of the things listed there (although there are some things I would deliberately omit, and some which I might or might not want or not know how or have time to implement at first)
< 1319919753 989933 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well be happy then
< 1319919760 107385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that the top can be a list of trees
< 1319919760 453822 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um what would that mean
< 1319919764 497063 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or be parsec I guess.
< 1319919769 14696 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: still means I have to implement a functional programming language
< 1319919778 406736 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok, but that isn't the case in reality..
< 1319919779 811974 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Swiss Ephemeris library does support radians, however.
< 1319919780 548548 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, true
< 1319919797 169485 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ...including lots of things like exec and waitpid and other grossness that is No Fun(tm0
< 1319919799 203787 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tm)
< 1319919805 130983 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: At least the standard RTC interface "rolls over" every century, since it only stores a two-decimal-digit year. (It's byte 0x09 in the "CMOS" memory region, either in BCD 0x00..0x99 or just a byte with value 0x00..0x63 depending on bit 2 of byte 0x0B.)
< 1319919808 698831 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, ... I don't really care about that software... Where did I indicate I did?!
< 1319919809 668463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well the thing is that then you don't need an exception to handle going right from the top
< 1319919819 429441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah
< 1319919821 510460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, moving
< 1319919827 560674 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You didn't.
< 1319919833 737221 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is that offset from 1900? Or did it rollover at 2000?
< 1319919851 809806 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there's nothing to the right of (l :> Up)?
< 1319919858 153061 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I can tell :P
< 1319919866 766162 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if anyone does, please indicate list of what kind of feature you would think is good idea and so on.
< 1319919887 530309 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, from what I remember there are 4 digit dates in the BIOS settings of all modern clocks. I guess I could check what hwclock(8) reports...
< 1319919940 387584 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's a single byte in the original and it's not supposed to go >99. I'd suppose the four digits are just an interface thing.
< 1319919962 144071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but you need some way for an edit to return a cursor when it has handled the very last node
< 1319919963 181636 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm.... Is the same hw interface still used?
< 1319919975 814370 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, speaking of which, is there any place all this stuff is documented.
< 1319919991 691767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm well
< 1319919996 96855 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, perhaps. shouldn't moving next be separated from the edit?
< 1319919998 475615 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: For the CMOS-memory-area clock, anyway. It could be that there's some other interface (BIOS interrupt driven, or ACPI) that you can use to get more digits.
< 1319919999 111047 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it just a mix of various standards. With no single official source for it
< 1319920000 547935 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's part of the traversal
< 1319920006 378463 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm
< 1319920008 186938 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: consider: you can't go "backwards" even if the edit does handle it
< 1319920011 703689 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you start at the first node anyway
< 1319920025 142781 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You can find the CMOS data area documented at http://bochs.sourceforge.net/techspec/CMOS-reference.txt
< 1319920035 317321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: now, what about
< 1319920037 823873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, the edit does the moveNext, so that it can return a cursor.
< 1319920043 922202 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that is hardly official. But hm.
< 1319920048 681647 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but maybe it _shouldn't_
< 1319920068 622755 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: data Cursor = Branch Tag [Tree] [Tree] Cursor | Top Tree
< 1319920070 246092 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about that?
< 1319920074 270692 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm
< 1319920077 173755 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: data Cursor = Branch Tag [Tree] [Tree] Cursor | Top (Maybe Tree)
< 1319920077 383685 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why does this remind me of sql cursors...
< 1319920082 949189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if it doesn't return a cursor it has nothing sensible to return if it is _deleting_ something
< 1319920102 784054 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it can return a different cursor
< 1319920111 380707 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the select{Left,Right} one, for instance
< 1319920113 387658 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably selectRight
< 1319920121 100048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1319920139 691929 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1319920141 228386 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :moveRight :)
< 1319920149 619465 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well I don't see what you're complaining about, if it deletes something then moveRight always succeeds
< 1319920153 46224 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: unless it deletes the root node
< 1319920155 707801 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't possible
< 1319920238 646185 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway those bytes in the CMOS won't fit the config data in the BIOS on a modern system.
< 1319920251 290539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess there must be more elsewhere
< 1319920263 206737 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, my desktop even has EFI
< 1319920279 958321 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sure, there's all those EDID tables and whatnot too.
< 1319920294 362947 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wait... isn't EDID for displays?
< 1319920305 767370 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, the other acronym.
< 1319920310 479565 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, which other one?
< 1319920311 582849 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the foo was it.
< 1319920321 87801 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACPI?
< 1319920335 47932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why isn't deleting the root node possible?
< 1319920388 758705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess if it isn't, then perhaps deleting just fails naturally when going next from it
< 1319920396 366189 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, there's a thing for the system information tables. The DMI ones, at leas.
< 1319920403 258340 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah
< 1319920429 362796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er i mean, deleting fails naturally because there is no cursor to construct
< 1319920434 393701 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, the BIOS interrupt 0x1a returns also the century, according to the Interrupt List, and presumably current BIOSes track four digits.
< 1319920457 190959 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1319920465 983723 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And of course EFI's different, and I'd suppose it has an RTC interface too.
< 1319920482 397771 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well, I'm using the bios emulation of the EFI, because that is easiest
< 1319920510 374587 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so why does it track decimal digits (implying BCD?) as opposed to a decimal number
< 1319920516 388093 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err binary number
< 1319920518 284845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not decimal
< 1319920591 986644 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-042-243.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319920708 41442 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I would guess the original clock chips provided a BCD interface, but that's just a guess, and I wouldn't know why. Anyway, the get-time interrupt returns in BCD too.
< 1319920731 369413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1319920741 10730 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-042-243.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1319920763 662804 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, any idea if linux exports the physical memory map anywhere?
< 1319920771 711880 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be interesting to look at it
< 1319920832 614597 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there is /proc/iomem
< 1319920924 866145 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :The CMOS memory exists outside of the normal address space and cannot
< 1319920925 81765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :contain directly executable code.
< 1319920926 963989 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1319920931 891624 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ACPI provides interfaces to the wake-up alarm functions, at least; maybe also to the RTC.
< 1319920934 769216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot that x86 has a separate IO bus
< 1319920939 239256 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stupidity of that....
< 1319920992 230703 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Most of the stuff is memory-mapped; biosdecode/dmidecode go digging in /dev/mem, for example.
< 1319920993 334455 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319920998 486230 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm how did PCs power off before ACPI?
< 1319921000 969569 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)df test
< 1319921018 674659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay new bot
< 1319921023 406240 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the power switch
< 1319921026 61325 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not finished bot
< 1319921045 751273 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or APM
< 1319921051 284404 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah APM of course
< 1319921052 769973 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1319921075 316458 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319921086 45219 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That narrows down where the problem is, for sure
< 1319921088 472287 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also hwclock apparently has code to read that CMOS stuff with direct I/O to those ports if /dev/rtc is not available.
< 1319921136 951384 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/eDPR (laptop) and http://sprunge.us/URYN (desktop). Quite interesting /proc/iomem
< 1319921156 327817 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes and it doesn't work on anything but 32-bit x86 iirc
< 1319921159 387027 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but before APM I think there just was no way for software to turn a PC off unless you built it a mechanical power switch switcher yourself
< 1319921170 965477 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319921171 203398 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, heh
< 1319921175 101871 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1319921214 850719 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1319921216 343516 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think it also works on some Alphas.
< 1319921220 261699 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm...
< 1319921234 220339 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh right, the man page says so
< 1319921238 414726 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anything with ISA
< 1319921241 138916 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would someone who knows the IRC protocol better than me tell me this:
< 1319921253 379509 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I wouldn't be surprised if there were some pre-APM/almost-APM-but-not-quite poweroff hacks.
< 1319921255 76634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think x86 systems will have an ISA bus long after the PCI bus is gone
< 1319921268 525536 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the powerpc apple PMU can turn a system off, too.
< 1319921269 767556 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because of backward compatiblity
< 1319921285 826732 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a message is sent to the channel, would my bot be able to pick it up as "...PRIVMSG #esoteric :"?
< 1319921286 885550 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :compatibility*
< 1319921298 546876 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, no?
< 1319921299 55420 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: yes. ... contains the user info
< 1319921306 177150 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, you forgot the user info
< 1319921315 916805 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See what elliott said
< 1319921326 264000 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1319921343 357728 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"..." here being ":nick!user@host ", apparently.
< 1319921350 171336 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1319921389 579286 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called the "prefix" in the grammar, IIRC. At least I tend to call it that.
< 1319921401 98484 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm...
< 1319921411 917202 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319921425 72171 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clients do not receive messages themself send to a channel.
< 1319921441 940797 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle a -> (a -> Maybe a) -> a
< 1319921442 319578 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.IntMap update :: (a -> Maybe a) -> Key -> IntMap a -> IntMap a
< 1319921442 532504 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Maybe mapMaybe :: (a -> Maybe b) -> [a] -> [b]
< 1319921442 604557 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.IntMap mapMaybe :: (a -> Maybe b) -> IntMap a -> IntMap b
< 1319921443 154207 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too
< 1319921451 474539 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes the message on a channel is received like that
< 1319921471 727945 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t liftA2 fromMaybe
< 1319921472 588558 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a (f :: * -> *). (Applicative f) => f a -> f (Maybe a) -> f a
< 1319921483 554761 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph.
< 1319921488 960356 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \x -> liftA2 fromMaybe (pure x)
< 1319921489 650863 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a (f :: * -> *). (Applicative f) => a -> f (Maybe a) -> f a
< 1319921501 608665 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f -> liftA2 f . pure
< 1319921502 380224 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b c (f :: * -> *). (Applicative f) => (a -> b -> c) -> a -> f b -> f c
< 1319921504 33102 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t pure
< 1319921505 218801 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a (f :: * -> *). (Applicative f) => a -> f a
< 1319921507 682591 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle (a -> b -> c) -> a -> f b -> f c
< 1319921508 87500 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Applicative liftA2 :: Applicative f => (a -> b -> c) -> f a -> f b -> f c
< 1319921508 355913 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad liftM2 :: Monad m => (a1 -> a2 -> r) -> m a1 -> m a2 -> m r
< 1319921508 428747 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude zipWith :: (a -> b -> c) -> [a] -> [b] -> [c]
< 1319921511 982686 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, applicative thingy
< 1319921513 826218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well.
< 1319921523 282207 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what are you searching for?
< 1319921530 70239 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the Kleisli category of Maybe monad similar to a category of partial functions?
< 1319921538 897687 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a -> (a -> Maybe a) -> a
< 1319921544 627020 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, doing what?
< 1319921553 760788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, because:
< 1319921555 290487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Data.IntMap update :: (a -> Maybe a) -> Key -> IntMap a -> IntMap a
< 1319921555 458188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Data.Maybe mapMaybe :: (a -> Maybe b) -> [a] -> [b]
< 1319921555 530054 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Data.IntMap mapMaybe :: (a -> Maybe b) -> IntMap a -> IntMap b
< 1319921555 848872 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x f -> fromMaybe x (f x)
< 1319921557 556240 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :those did it
< 1319921563 672663 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of those have that type
< 1319921564 924314 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you read?
< 1319921565 761767 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(kind of)
< 1319921571 377880 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle (a -> Maybe a) -> a -> a
< 1319921571 998714 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.IntMap update :: (a -> Maybe a) -> Key -> IntMap a -> IntMap a
< 1319921572 71407 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Maybe mapMaybe :: (a -> Maybe b) -> [a] -> [b]
< 1319921572 71589 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.IntMap mapMaybe :: (a -> Maybe b) -> IntMap a -> IntMap b
< 1319921573 478197 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, why did it return them then
< 1319922067 751630 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because hoogle does a fuzzy search
< 1319922071 523901 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1319922204 211185 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah
< 1319922208 564191 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is annoying
< 1319922252 577269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ap fromMaybe
< 1319922253 388149 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b. (b -> Maybe b) -> b -> b
< 1319922295 623130 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh thanks
< 1319922297 418240 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that... work/
< 1319922303 689525 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ap fromMaybe (const Nothing) 99
< 1319922304 530632 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  99
< 1319922308 48937 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ap fromMaybe (Just . succ) 99
< 1319922309 526399 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  100
< 1319922312 771181 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx
< 1319922319 661944 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?unpl ap fromMaybe
< 1319922319 919158 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ e -> fromMaybe >>= \ b -> e >>= \ a -> return (b a))
< 1319922326 318666 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1319922328 369500 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1319922329 134061 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319922337 696729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how crazy
< 1319922345 156068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ?unpl doesn't recognize that fromMaybe is a function
< 1319922352 828262 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it isn't even valid
< 1319922361 808924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it is
< 1319922367 461938 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1319922373 982541 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?unpl ap id
< 1319922374 76332 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ f -> (\ a -> a) >>= \ c -> f >>= \ b -> return (c b))
< 1319922375 497364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (\ e -> fromMaybe >>= \ b -> e >>= \ a -> return (b a))
< 1319922376 247429 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (a -> Maybe a) -> a -> a
< 1319922390 31375 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm pretty sure it just doesn't care, whether it recognizes or not :-P
< 1319922397 382458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_maybe_
< 1319922402 276668 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?unpl ap ap
< 1319922402 532149 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ e -> (\ j k -> j >>= \ h -> k >>= \ g -> return (h g)) >>= \ b -> e >>= \ a -> return (b a))
< 1319922402 604639 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :augh
< 1319922405 637849 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hot
< 1319922407 797903 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ap ap
< 1319922409 204870 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a b. (Monad m) => (m (a -> b) -> m a) -> m (a -> b) -> m b
< 1319922415 261524 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnh
< 1319922416 299311 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: try (<*>)
< 1319922417 220251 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1319922424 576208 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?unpl (<*>) fromMaybe
< 1319922424 742309 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(<*>) fromMaybe
< 1319922426 573726 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319922437 182820 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<*>)
< 1319922437 485535 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pl doesn't know about Applicatives :-P
< 1319922438 487355 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) a b. (Applicative f) => f (a -> b) -> f a -> f b
< 1319922484 787838 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Someone needs to write a better pl :)
< 1319922498 382641 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319922501 429258 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free
< 1319922502 861954 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1319922540 868525 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)df iiisso
< 1319922551 337597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Pietbot written in Piet?
< 1319922555 55503 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1319922556 771444 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Badly
< 1319922562 450955 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :May start from scratch
< 1319922564 148208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :figures :P
< 1319922565 742803 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, it's written in piet-assembler :(
< 1319922566 805771 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we see the code?
< 1319922569 862330 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1319922572 586018 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319922574 22890 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so hey
< 1319922577 334461 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: remember what i said about iwc endnig
< 1319922578 859549 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ending
< 1319922581 416246 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because then you would know the password
< 1319922584 532118 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see, literally)
< 1319922592 883554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh i haven't read iwc yet
< 1319922599 197132 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHA
< 1319922609 981595 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Ngevd was saying no to Madoka-Kaname
< 1319922622 877081 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah go do so now. You need to.
< 1319922624 917703 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is very sad
< 1319922628 463690 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Heh, if no PM information (such as ACPI) is available, the Linux fallback is to try Intel "Trusted Execution Technology" poweroff. Anyway, there are (x86-relevantly) specific poweroff methods for at least ACPI, IPMI, APM, OLPC XO1, SGI Visual Workstation and lguest. (Okay, the last one might not quite count.)
< 1319922633 290777 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the mythbusters die
< 1319922635 368150 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip ;______;
< 1319922639 411816 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The assembler isn't much good, gonna rewrite it from scratch
< 1319922640 61425 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then dmm dies
< 1319922641 399853 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ends up dying
< 1319922643 815230 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN REAL LIFE............
< 1319922644 259333 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and DMM had a car accident
< 1319922646 235629 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in real life
< 1319922651 160804 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, snap, you beat me to it
< 1319922651 373204 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and died.
< 1319922651 445640 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1319922653 992799 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :his ghost now writes iwc
< 1319922664 571927 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it was a coworker who did it
< 1319922667 699329 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be silly
< 1319922693 670480 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh wait, what about tripple fault
< 1319922697 703823 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that halts doesn't it?
< 1319922722 577043 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, it just reboots.
< 1319922727 391161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319922747 885003 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway wtf is "Trusted Execution Technology"
< 1319922750 31552 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: Heh, if no PM information (such as ACPI) is available, the Linux fallback is to try Intel "Trusted Execution Technology" poweroff. Anyway, there are (x86-relevantly) specific poweroff methods for at least ACPI, IPMI, APM, OLPC XO1, SGI Visual Workstation and lguest. (Okay, the last one might not quite count.)
< 1319922759 262280 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc linux actually does it in various non-standard ways
< 1319922763 699480 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a post about it on reddit a while back
< 1319922773 704698 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :turning a computer off is very grotty, it seems :)
< 1319922775 577765 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think a triple-fault might be a reboot fallback, though. Incidentally, IPMI does have a RTC interface too.
< 1319922817 721143 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah I only ever seen server boards have IPMI. Kind of sad, since the IPMI sensor interface actually reports what the damn sensors actually mean
< 1319922826 504728 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those were the machine_power_off/pm_power_off methods I could find by quick grepping; well, the x86-relevant ones, anyway.
< 1319922868 895999 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't be surprised if there were some more quirks for laptops, at least some pre-ACPI invented ones.
< 1319922875 505944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319922880 562575 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there there
< 1319922887 785681 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what does it do if none of them work?
< 1319922898 718694 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does it print "please turn off your computer now" or some such?
< 1319923021 46872 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i think oerjan may be dead.
< 1319923089 271009 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think it just stays halted (at least this 2.6.37 I had uncompressed), if tboot_shutdown (the trusted-execution thing) isn't enabled. It probably prints "system halted" or something before trying the poweroff at all, but I don't think I'll bother trying to find that. Might even be just init which does that.
< 1319923099 664428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dmidecode is confused about my desktop CPU. It reports it as core 2 duo. It is a core i7 quad
< 1319923131 840388 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR the "System halted" behaviour from machines that were unable to turn themselves off.
< 1319923136 998843 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1319923216 408875 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319923224 380741 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, max speed 3800 MHz? I guess it is that turbo mode. As far as I know it is 3.3 GHz normally
< 1319923246 558849 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CPU serial number is "To Be Filled By O.E.M."
< 1319923312 383157 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Version: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5600+; Max Speed: 3200 MHz; Current Speed: 2800 MHz" -- well, it's mostly correct, though I don't know where the 3.2 GHz comes from; 2.8 is what the 5600+ is nominally at, and the "actual" current speed is just 1 GHz, thanks to cpufreq.
< 1319923318 117903 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those of you not fond of me may enjoy laughing at my expense: my laptop display is fucked and I have to replace it.
< 1319923366 172398 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd reply, but you wouldn't be able to read it.
< 1319923386 828137 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar, not liking you doesn't mean the same as gloating over someone else broken laptop.
< 1319923399 181581 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd insult you behind your back, but I don't care which side of your back I insult you on.
< 1319923400 449499 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/you/someone/
< 1319923405 582556 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  I'd insult you behind your back, but I don't care which side of your back I insult you on.
< 1319923408 101269 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :701)  I'd insult you behind your back, but I don't care which side of your back I insult you on.
< 1319923410 767893 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Heh, dmidecode from the laptop: "Version: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2720QM CPU @ 2.20GHz; Voltage: 0.0 V". It seems I've gotten one of those rare does-not-use-electricity-at-all processors.
< 1319923421 228430 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Reversible computing!
< 1319923437 933189 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nice. My desktop CPU apparently uses 1.0 V. Which I don't think is correct either
< 1319923467 477135 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Why wouldn't you assume I have multiple computers? Otherwise I'd be a lot more bent out of shape about this.
< 1319923489 96140 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar, it was, in fact, a joke.
< 1319923491 77629 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Right, you don't want to insult the laptop.
< 1319923512 476335 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I know, I'm just being a dick.
< 1319923522 912668 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The Athlon is reporting 1.4V. That might even be close to correct; I think it's 1.35V officially but it could be rounded.
< 1319923549 212127 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar, come on...
< 1319923554 647141 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Laptop) "Board is replaceable"... well, I *guess*... for some values of "replaceable".
< 1319923561 171585 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar, I might want to insult it. Depends on the brand.
< 1319923569 814443 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Number Of Power Cords: 1"
< 1319923583 990451 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no end to the values they've bothered to put here.
< 1319923584 917420 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, just an IdeaPad netbook.
< 1319923585 202784 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1319923605 464486 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Chassis Information: Contained Elements: 0". Uh, right.
< 1319923613 844071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar, go for thinkpads. They are better. Still not as good as during the IBM times
< 1319923617 604388 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lenovo is the one laptop manufacturer I could find that didn't quite utterly fuck up their keyboards...then I went and bought a netbook anyway, because I like pain.
< 1319923623 665538 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it says the same for my desktop
< 1319923649 177739 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, my chassis info just says to be filled in by OEM basically
< 1319923676 137011 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The base board on the desktop is version "x.x". I'm not sure if it's trying to be a dead-guy smiley. (Probably not.)
< 1319923706 195892 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's Roman Numerals?
< 1319923706 268599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Handle 0x0038, DMI type 28, 22 bytes
< 1319923706 268785 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Temperature Probe
< 1319923706 268892 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :        Description: LM78A
< 1319923706 268995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :        Location: 
< 1319923706 591044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :        Status: 
< 1319923708 827845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1319923710 800807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is.... weird
< 1319923733 956783 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We know we have one, we know what it is, but where it is or how it is? Pfff.
< 1319923751 46451 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319923774 378452 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cooling Device
< 1319923774 556410 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :        Temperature Probe Handle: 0x0038
< 1319923774 628925 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :        Type: 
< 1319923774 629076 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :        Status: 
< 1319923796 65314 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lists several cooling devices like that
< 1319923805 80445 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could be optional fans not connected to the mobo?
< 1319923809 757100 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the location of the probe is "out of spec"? where have you put that probe Vorpal?
< 1319923816 792073 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, XD
< 1319923834 127824 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :System Power Supply
< 1319923834 311842 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :        Power Unit Group: 1
< 1319923834 384391 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :        Location: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
< 1319923834 384547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :        Name: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
< 1319923834 384652 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :        Manufacturer: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
< 1319923835 55582 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :        Serial Number: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
< 1319923836 605944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :        Asset Tag: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
< 1319923838 605588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :        Model Part Number: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
< 1319923840 624876 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :        Revision: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
< 1319923842 601673 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :        Max Power Capacity: Unknown
< 1319923844 602340 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :        Status: Not Present
< 1319923846 603971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :        Type: 
< 1319923848 632346 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I have a zero power computer too
< 1319923853 580462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my power supply is not present
< 1319923866 647205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, it is plugged
< 1319923868 785517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :        Input Voltage Range Switching: 
< 1319923868 955956 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :        Plugged: Yes
< 1319923929 793288 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :any info not directly concerning the mobo is completely useless in there. I guess that is a result of home-built system
< 1319923943 405183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay it does seem to know the memory modules too
< 1319923949 952092 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The laptop DMI tables also have all kinds of ports it doesn't physically have. "Internal Reference Designator: J2A1, External Reference Designator: TV Out, External Connector Type: Mini Centronics Type-14". There's nothing like that; nor is there the "J2A2A; COM A; DB-9 male" serial port, unless they've hidden it really well. Ditto for the DB-15 female (presumably VGA) video, and... uh, well; then there's a pile of strange-sounding internal-only ports. (J9C1 -
< 1319923950 24574 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :PCIE DOCKING CONN. J9E3 - LPC HOT DOCKING. J9E1 - SCAN MATRIX. J9G1 - LPC SIDE BAND.)
< 1319923977 239527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319923991 51417 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The non-existing ports are compensated by the lack of the ports it does have, though.
< 1319923992 540201 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Handle 0x0063, DMI type 13, 22 bytes
< 1319923992 725167 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :BIOS Language Information
< 1319923992 797658 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :        Language Description Format: Abbreviated
< 1319923993 496540 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1319923996 100269 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :on earth
< 1319924005 575090 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it list the languages the BIOS menus are available in?
< 1319924009 248164 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would the OS *care*
< 1319924024 17283 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is eng, fra, ger, chs, chi, jpn)
< 1319924036 831246 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have three languages: n|US|iso8859-1, n|US|iso8859-1 again, and r|CA|iso8859-1.
< 1319924047 318458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have up to handle 0x64 on my desktop btw
< 1319924068 520130 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, the best: "Portable Battery ... Location: Location of the battery"
< 1319924073 402626 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1319924075 264882 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to admit it is a true statement.
< 1319924077 205124 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll check my laptop next
< 1319924083 406667 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"chs"?
< 1319924090 610126 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "the battery is where the battery is" is not so incredibly useful.
< 1319924091 616774 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, no clue
< 1319924091 869918 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :D
< 1319924099 512556 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319924104 210942 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like modern macs
< 1319924116 846500 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the battery is where the battery is and don't you dare touch it
< 1319924124 556993 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, at least my laptop has correct vendor info
< 1319924149 850469 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also for the battery: "Manufacturer: Battery Manufacturer", "Serial Number: Serial Number", "Name: Battery Name", "SBDS Version: SBDS Version Number", "OEM-specific Information: 0x12345678".
< 1319924160 320572 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on, my laptop CPU family is "Other"
< 1319924170 751204 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my desktop had core 2 duo listed. My desktop actually has an i7
< 1319924176 290225 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :while my laptop has a core 2 duo
< 1319924179 7604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet it can't list that
< 1319924180 549535 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1319924187 983809 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: All my probes are  too.
< 1319924194 224792 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319924213 80194 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a voltage of 1.1 V for my laptop
< 1319924220 147499 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really would like the zero volt thingy there
< 1319924227 706396 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dmidecode's main purpose is amusement, I think. (Okay, it *can* usually list memory slot/module details too reasonably well.)
< 1319924257 526063 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So who knows a decent overlay-style fs?? Like unionfs except better.
< 1319924259 251970 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Handle 0x0017, DMI type 126, 9 bytes
< 1319924259 449638 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inactive
< 1319924263 423933 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, uh, cunionfs is pretty much what I want.
< 1319924263 535327 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have loads of ones like that
< 1319924265 824676 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey Gregor, how's cunionfs.
< 1319924266 97324 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my laptop
< 1319924280 220271 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think someone used aufs, but it might well sukc.
< 1319924293 234125 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Handle 0x0029, DMI type 13, 22 bytes
< 1319924293 416253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :BIOS Language Information
< 1319924293 488786 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :	Installable Languages: 1
< 1319924293 489012 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :		enUS
< 1319924293 489122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :	Currently Installed Language: enUS
< 1319924294 360711 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1319924309 68816 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, there's that and unionfs itself (I understand there's quite the flamewar between the two), but I kind of want something per-process.
< 1319924320 39999 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Because e.g. a user should see their installed packages on the system.
< 1319924322 283165 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Portable Battery
< 1319924322 489950 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :	Location: Rear
< 1319924322 562205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :	Manufacturer: Panasonic
< 1319924329 465334 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, aww, my laptop has boring accurate info
< 1319924340 530211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Panapsionic.
< 1319924340 878172 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I guess it's made by a real manufacturer. :p
< 1319924340 950300 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, everything about the CPU family seems boringly accurate
< 1319924350 653319 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes. It is a Lenovo Thinkpad
< 1319924380 833721 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what brand is your laptop
< 1319924434 62170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange thing on my desktop. It only lists 6 SATA ports + 1 eSATA port. I have 8 internal physical SATA ports and two external eSATA ports
< 1319924439 463468 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what is going on there
< 1319924455 158171 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's... vaguely defined. I mean, I bought it from some small shop in Germany, and they constructed it out of a skeleton made by Clevo. I also asked them to leave all logos off. So it's sort of a no-name.
< 1319924465 129355 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319924475 385180 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That sounds super-reliable.
< 1319924491 598598 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know _I_ trust small German shops with all my computer needs.
< 1319924498 217854 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the name of the shop? We'll call it that.
< 1319924514 247094 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget exactly who it was, since there were so many to choose from.
< 1319924514 490254 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my thinkpad just have two logos, A discrete "lenovo" on the top of the lid. It is black on black. Just a shift in depth of the surface really
< 1319924521 838404 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the usual thinkpad logo on the palmrest
< 1319924523 130035 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :People(tm) said reasonable things about Clevo parts, though.
< 1319924549 767183 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And the Windows sticker it came with.
< 1319924551 741164 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably.
< 1319924563 746927 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nope. I had to get a replacement palmrest.
< 1319924566 414567 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lacked those
< 1319924572 74857 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1319924594 792464 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, originally there was a small core 2 duo and a small windows vista business sticker as well
< 1319924605 717895 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which I removed anyway
< 1319924632 117022 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway I have nothing against the thinkpad logo. And the lenovo logo is discrete enough to not bother me
< 1319924640 957106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, it says thinkpad on the lid too
< 1319924642 811723 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot that
< 1319924647 959806 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :same logo as on the palmrest
< 1319924653 300127 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that doesn't bother me either
< 1319924663 412615 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My main laptop has... one name on it.
< 1319924668 431453 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"MacBook Air" below the screen.
< 1319924672 792974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1319924674 898671 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also an Apple logo on the back, but who ever looks there?
< 1319924679 588369 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This Toshiba has many(tm).
< 1319924691 651401 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why are you on a toshiba atm
< 1319924692 471848 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toshiba below the screen, on the back, "Satellite" to the left of the trackpad,
< 1319924702 248339 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Intel Pentium Inside", "Windows 7", "Toshiba Easy Media" stickers.
< 1319924711 489256 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did you finally send the macbook off to get fixed?
< 1319924718 581294 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, pentium, ouch
< 1319924724 758071 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the Core 2 Pentiums.
< 1319924732 557538 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: My MacBook Air turned itself off, and then refused to turn back on again, approximately ~3 minutes before I intended to watch EOA5.
< 1319924735 996198 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1319924740 136099 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the idea of a thirteen minute Flash video was just too much for it to bear?
< 1319924742 642768 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, EOA5?
< 1319924751 374588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway did you send it to apple finally then?
< 1319924752 896128 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You know. Hamsteaks. The one that crashed Newgrounds.
< 1319924761 190963 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you even _read_ a single page since binging?
< 1319924777 359056 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nope.
< 1319924780 985813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, haven't had time
< 1319924810 401628 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'll do a second binge next year of the rest of it
< 1319924825 184616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is the same way I read freefall. Next binge should be around xmas of that iirc
< 1319924833 799694 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's done by next year.
< 1319924838 155419 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, get speakers that time.
< 1319924852 956759 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, headphones you mean
< 1319924856 947173 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like speakers
< 1319924857 672793 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless you want to sit through a 13 minute silent film, which I suppose is possible if uninteresting.)
< 1319924930 229686 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, 2 new videos on yogscast. bbiab
< 1319924947 724034 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--Vorpal "Doesn't Have Time For Homestuck" Vorpal
< 1319924956 589044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is about priorities
< 1319924966 888271 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I prefer yogscast over homestuck
< 1319925139 586625 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next version of Pietbot now outputs "NICK P"
< 1319925142 972151 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a start
< 1319925187 670457 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the current resolution of the source code?
< 1319925202 184490 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :10x10px per codel
< 1319925253 971552 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping for the total width x height in codels; I just couldn't pass the opportunity to use "resolution of the source code" there, even if it's a bit wrong.
< 1319925267 767693 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 by 50 codels
< 1319925275 444219 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, 50 by 2
< 1319925303 634302 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is weirdly small. Oh, or was that just for the NICK P thing?
< 1319925308 529066 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1319925334 872336 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does Arch even have groups as opposed to just empty packages?
< 1319925351 706113 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about the one which connected and all?
< 1319925374 152937 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, buggered if I know. They are annoying to deal with too. I have no idea where they are defined
< 1319925397 98619 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There's some sort of a "never metapackage I didn't" pun-portunity lurking in here somewhere.
< 1319925459 808304 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NICK Pi"
< 1319925545 678020 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should the namespace for a Haskell program to deal with DVI files be called?
< 1319925566 877145 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graphics.DVI.*?
< 1319925649 194605 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Can you run vpddecode on your laptop? It's supposed to work on most IBM/Lenovo machines. (Probably won't return anything very interesting, though it should tell the model.)
< 1319925726 3340 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, just BIOS build id, box serial number, mobo serial, and machine model code
< 1319925750 157320 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I've made a small mistake
< 1319925755 610964 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It now outputs "NICK Pim"
< 1319925765 68497 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but it did work. Was just curious; it's all "No VPD structure found, sorry" for everything I have.
< 1319925771 231430 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm half-tempted to make inst work on KDE.
< 1319925778 537238 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: It's trying to become a PimpBot.
< 1319925797 734371 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, there isn't a big "all of KDE" package any more.
< 1319925950 820548 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will now show you what it outputs.
< 1319925956 370146 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cycle "NICK pie"
< 1319925957 284931 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "NICK pieNICK pieNICK pieNICK pieNICK pieNICK pieNICK pieNICK pieNICK pieNI...
< 1319925966 984255 :kmc__!~keegan@108.113.143.238 NICK :kmc
< 1319925971 347638 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, lambdabot
< 1319926005 618040 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I could use Graphics.DVI
< 1319926024 323545 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also upon close inspection, the laptop in fact has two "Portable Battery"s. Both batteries have a location of "Location of the battery", but one is called "Battery Name" while the other is named "BATT 1". (Both are also NiCd batteries, which I strongly doubt.)
< 1319926029 105691 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although font metrics might should be different module??
< 1319926078 813527 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: byezz
< 1319926079 81230 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should its package name be?
< 1319926349 181633 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319926380 577740 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You know a lot about multilib right???
< 1319926420 746527 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should the package name be for Haskell library to read/write/process DVI files?
< 1319926435 199778 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever you want to call it
< 1319926452 666865 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: dvi-processor?
< 1319926456 721949 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1319926466 938821 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319926519 711338 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sounds like a program, not a library
< 1319926546 390178 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ?
< 1319926549 936012 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1319926568 682366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh, nice batteries
< 1319926577 829852 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, my battery info is completely accurate :/
< 1319926589 923487 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319926601 647916 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm should check if it lists any second ultrabay battery as being installed
< 1319926658 513522 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Do you mean the dvi-processor?
< 1319926667 146439 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yep
< 1319926681 577453 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: dvi-processing?
< 1319926686 488653 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK.
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< 1319928671 813902 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, Two Steps From Hell has colonised the BBC.
< 1319928694 812839 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, Hexham?
< 1319928706 481233 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even *knowing* about Two Steps From Hell has completely ruined watching any kind of advertisement.)
< 1319928867 650860 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Steps_From_Hell
< 1319928869 493725 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: this is so bad
< 1319928874 334157 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who would buy those two albums
< 1319928903 433357 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, people who need epic music for a backing track.
< 1319928919 10505 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This includes 50% of all YouTube videos for some reason.
< 1319928927 179150 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1319929282 21180 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not surprisingly, their own promotional videos have the same epic music
< 1319929416 399682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: you can fix that youtube problem by simply asking them to vigorously maintain their copyright right? >:P
< 1319929467 534092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/asking them/subtly suggesting for them/
< 1319929495 463541 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think they'd rather have their music promoted so that more movie trailers use their music and pay for it
< 1319929524 345833 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319929532 327175 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is so bad about it?
< 1319929538 317377 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: I haven't listened to it yet
< 1319929546 850335 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor will I unless someone gives me a link
< 1319929570 340194 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... there was a link
< 1319929581 949651 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... also you can google
< 1319929597 305802 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a wp link
< 1319929639 273652 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well done, you've found the link! :)
< 1319929654 415217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I see no youtube link there though
< 1319929680 363226 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither
< 1319929696 865396 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that is what I asked for a link to...
< 1319929703 488219 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : not surprisingly, their own promotional videos have the same epic music
< 1319929710 927561 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, which one in particular did you mean?++++++++
< 1319929713 586868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah
< 1319929716 869002 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :synergy broke
< 1319929719 246565 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and spammed keys
< 1319929722 934506 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck synergy
< 1319929724 892211 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was not on youtube
< 1319929733 877349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well where is that then?
< 1319929742 432191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is flash and not youtube, don't bother
< 1319929744 537906 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't watch that
< 1319929751 32757 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it was flash and not youtube
< 1319929771 188235 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it is on youtube, at least the trailers they link
< 1319929774 575649 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, how large a rock do you live under if you think there are web videos left that don't use Flash?
< 1319929777 439581 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some of them
< 1319929786 728013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, html5 man
< 1319929792 393419 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them was anyway
< 1319929821 70608 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, and Bethesda used HTML5 videos for their skyrim gameplay footage
< 1319929822 236459 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I can't find the video in question, though.
< 1319929851 350868 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one I found was http://www.twostepsfromhell.com/dynastypromo.php
< 1319929871 665107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the twilight one at the top is html5 from youtube for me
< 1319929900 199355 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD, the choir has lyrics sheets.
< 1319929901 82590 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :under the video tab
< 1319929926 749869 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal, how large a rock do you live under if you think there are web videos left that don't use Flash?
< 1319929930 980604 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same one I live under
< 1319929937 671614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed
< 1319929962 393040 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the video tab seems to have all the stuff that other people have made using their music
< 1319929964 894465 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: which is none.
< 1319929973 313311 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey there is an embedded .mov here
< 1319929974 166062 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you live under a different rock, because the premise is false
< 1319929985 118863 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help now I am confused.
< 1319929996 25340 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well there are some embedded .movs still. And some HTML5 videos are starting to show up
< 1319929998 924649 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: html5 is pretty common.
< 1319930014 472445 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well OK, but only recently, so I forgot about it.
< 1319930031 191213 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :recently as in "past few years" :)
< 1319930104 476776 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, live actors for a skyrim trailer. How does that even make sense.
< 1319930116 187742 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the episode starts with sisko being relieved of command... this can only mean that the rest of the episode is about him getting it back somehow
< 1319930122 13220 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(front page video on http://www.elderscrolls.com/ after you selected language)
< 1319930131 875912 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it'll be a cliffhanger! I'm already looking forward to the next season
< 1319930132 401944 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep

< 1319930154 926267 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: what season are you on>
< 1319930155 478748 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1319930181 988772 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god
< 1319930185 698137 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just started watching the final episode of season 3
< 1319930189 973079 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the two steps from hell guys
< 1319930194 502505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is from trondheim
< 1319930202 115516 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that's about when the good starts :)
< 1319930206 20790 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: skip profit and lace btw
< 1319930213 801886 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other one is from hexham?
< 1319930350 30130 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, where did I get the idea that two steps from hell was exactly two guys?
< 1319930383 882040 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319930385 881388 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : olsner: that's about when the good starts :)
< 1319930391 665410 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SAID "ABOUT"
< 1319930393 549317 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it's not, that's the end of season 2.
< 1319930396 917626 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes yes yes.
< 1319930401 804631 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it takes about a season to amp up to full goodness.
< 1319930416 188517 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'About' gives you a few episodes' leeway.
< 1319930426 588612 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover is actually sleeping as we speak.
< 1319930433 504126 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(When was the last monster of the week episode anyway?)
< 1319930471 469783 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"about" gives you "a few" something of whatever unit you are using, could be seasons in this case
< 1319930510 360368 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, the first elderscrolls game is available as a free download next to a dosbox link nowdays
< 1319930513 527237 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of nice
< 1319930525 872343 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1319930547 46943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for the second one
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< 1319931508 188759 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1319933897 327789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:15  elliott> one of the two steps from hell guys
< 1319933897 463000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:16  elliott> oerjan: is from trondheim
< 1319933912 105187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well hell _is_ only a half hour drive from trondheim.
< 1319934438 532802 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:15:33 +0100
< 1319934438 665658 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To: elliott
< 1319934438 737849 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.5 7/5/10
< 1319934438 737934 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIME-Version: 1.0
< 1319934438 738030 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
< 1319934438 976590 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
< 1319934441 58781 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subject: editor saved ``.git/COMMIT_EDITMSG''
< 1319934443 77097 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were editing the file ".git/COMMIT_EDITMSG"
< 1319934445 148495 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at  on the machine ``dinky''
< 1319934447 172250 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the editor was killed.
< 1319934449 131612 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can retrieve most of your changes to this file
< 1319934451 156393 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the "recover" command of the editor.
< 1319934453 38110 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :An easy way to do this is to give the command "vi -r .git/COMMIT_EDITMSG".
< 1319934455 113313 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This method also works using "ex" and "edit".
< 1319934457 90161 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- ~/dead.letter
< 1319935062 250994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ~/dead.letter is there because you don't have a MTA setup
< 1319935070 574889 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and something tried to mail
< 1319935078 61874 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what dead.letter is
< 1319935092 399191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott has killed many a letter
< 1319935095 184723 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why did you paste it?
< 1319935103 441698 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the letter is funny
< 1319935107 90075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1319935169 408021 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319935573 322575 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1319935588 747219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nave
< 1319935853 376433 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1319936814 742942 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1319936840 150436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :And time is running backwards. And so is the bride.
< 1319937378 295667 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey i was just /wondering/ about the dst when i said hmm
< 1319937391 27926 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/just \/wondering\//\/just wondering\//
< 1319937509 495782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hack & slash
< 1319937613 627206 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming oerjan is referring to dst.
< 1319937645 313340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes hack & slash is _so_ connected with dst
< 1319937890 7494 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hi what is EC
< 1319937895 601735 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ec
< 1319937927 68328 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, I suppose it is.
< 1319937944 72508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ec is ec
< 1319937960 113467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you look at it objectivistically
< 1319938036 789347 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally object to objectivistic.
< 1319938286 648110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how subjective of you
< 1319938461 57249 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a tree falls on an objectivist and no one else hears it: does anyone else care?
< 1319938495 349560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends where you buried the body.
< 1319938597 239224 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1319938791 420319 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!logs
< 1319938840 778203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`logs
< 1319938844 189115 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: logs: not found
< 1319938850 775233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@logs
< 1319938851 41621 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/libraries/index.html
< 1319938852 658718 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: try it yourself
< 1319938855 358655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^logs
< 1319938855 578133 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!logs, that is
< 1319938861 487405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1319938863 536022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!logs
< 1319938916 406725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo hi
< 1319938927 664018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip
< 1319939046 197114 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip
< 1319939049 38393 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it worked
< 1319939052 453307 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!logs, that is
< 1319939055 542561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
< 1319939055 880385 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just not looking in the right place
< 1319939059 292126 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319939076 832439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't help poor EgoBot
< 1319939372 66703 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319939553 537359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :astonishing spam
< 1319939603 88448 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319939988 776980 :kmc_!~keegan@72-59-201-252.pools.spcsdns.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319940173 388118 :kmc!~keegan@108.113.143.238 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
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< 1319940724 404941 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :do C++ templates make C++ kind of sort of dependently typed?
< 1319940771 671485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks worried at elliott 

< 1319940775 412323 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: no
< 1319940778 468024 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1319940782 371189 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay.
< 1319941012 443442 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more like macro expansion than dependent types.
< 1319941067 651191 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable205.137-82-70.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1319941385 447727 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable205.137-82-70.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee doing ARM assembly at work
< 1319941598 144550 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you madbr o?
< 1319941706 347525 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable205.137-82-70.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :speed optimizing sound code :3
< 1319941986 222734 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet:.....:(
< 1319942025 652782 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable205.137-82-70.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing a reverb atm and it's a challenge :3
< 1319942070 167710 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: .... ?
< 1319942129 271580 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry I've never dealt with dependent types so I don't know much about them. T looked kind of like dependent types.
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< 1319942203 794221 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: you know perfectly well what you did
< 1319942209 421382 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: do you feel no shame
< 1319942239 692924 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy mad./
< 1319942242 16103 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\/$//
< 1319942314 391543 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1319942460 958339 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: er, I don't know what I did.
< 1319942474 315482 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:26:08 < CakeProphet> you madbr o?
< 1319942482 16669 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. yeah, no shame.
< 1319942484 940258 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable205.137-82-70.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh?
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< 1319942575 187655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i suppose C++ templates would be dependently typed if they actually _had_ types.
< 1319942636 768269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait why am i even speaking, i don't know c++ templates.
< 1319942784 890558 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right thus more like macro expansion
< 1319942807 893097 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but kind of like dependent types if you think of templates as a kind of parametric type (which I think is a pretty reasonable analogy)
< 1319942888 274363 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_metaprogramming
< 1319943035 938499 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but unless you store the value parameters in a struct or something you don't really have access to the value at runtime.
< 1319943116 284713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom values!
< 1319943159 835671 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :templates do allow you to do most of the things you can do in haskell's type system
< 1319943166 655217 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't mean it's dependent
< 1319943172 508042 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all
< 1319943182 562039 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering, uh, Haskell is not dependently typed. :P
< 1319943195 379987 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, haskell approaches dependent types with GADTs
< 1319943205 958903 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :they give you pseudo type-depending-on-value behavior
< 1319943210 733353 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you jump through enough hoops
< 1319943254 419632 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I must go kill brain cells.
< 1319943262 168811 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :later.
< 1319943361 765232 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1319944351 466852 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: as soon as https://github.com/pbrisbin/aurget/pull/4 is merged you should switch over to aurget :p
< 1319944438 90615 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :once I need an aur, sure
< 1319944512 742322 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable205.137-82-70.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if it would be possible to make an efficient dataflow oriented VLIW processor :D
< 1319944526 441831 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep
< 1319944561 341257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: zzo38's recent logic experiments made me wonder - while haskell isn't dependently typed, is haskell's _type system_ dependently typed, with all the extensions heaped up so far...
< 1319944598 969887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, if you just ignore the values and look at the types as values
< 1319944609 367200 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you'd have to see the types influencing kinds
< 1319944618 456902 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :which they don't, because we don't even have kind polymorphism yet
< 1319944622 297278 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: everyone always needs an aur
< 1319944634 689869 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as far as values and types, it sort of already is dependently typed already
< 1319944637 421222 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :-already
< 1319944653 559948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: well someone is adding it, i think i saw...
< 1319944658 473725 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1319944674 990841 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how the GADT equivalent will work at the kind level
< 1319945256 599603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this intended to allow things like making Data and Typeable kind polymorphic?
< 1319945415 362081 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, among other things
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< 1319945723 567989 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun to see someone discussing your bug report minutes after you make it on IRC :P
< 1319945733 422108 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without knowing you're there)
< 1319946553 721892 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zero-Analogy Monad Tutorial (unknownparallel.com)
< 1319946553 830594 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no get it away from me
< 1319946758 865953 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hum?
< 1319946771 731141 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum to what?
< 1319946800 431671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monads are like elliott-eating monsters
< 1319946818 492379 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monads are like monads
< 1319946828 36092 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :monads are like things that are difficult to explain
< 1319946887 125057 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really
< 1319946914 557652 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't see a ZAMT there
< 1319946920 983590 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monads are like things that are easy to explain
< 1319946922 453531 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thumbs up)
< 1319946929 607282 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it was a paste from a reddit.com line
< 1319946934 669761 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :" no get it away from me" was my reaction
< 1319946938 646363 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319946951 990843 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything i post that looks like a title and a domain in parens is me being snarky at programming reddit links :P
< 1319947039 874086 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1319947795 624408 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b6000.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de
< 1319948397 855967 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can safely say that Vorpal was completely right about #archlinux and it is beyond even the wildest dreams of people who dream about really bad IRC channels.
< 1319948408 776419 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :how bad is it really
< 1319948417 706183 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I typed: sudo rc.d start webmin -x
< 1319948417 778639 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : And got nothing
< 1319948417 778810 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : lol
< 1319948417 778917 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : stop trying to use webmic
< 1319948417 779024 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : "getopt: invalid option -- 'x'"
< 1319948418 42363 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : webmin
< 1319948420 120896 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : just quit.
< 1319948422 195333 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : you don't want that
< 1319948424 123571 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Why does everything suck?
< 1319948426 208316 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : sudo bash -x /etc/rc.d/webmin start
< 1319948428 114796 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : you suck
< 1319948439 147841 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANKS ZENDEAVOR, I'M SURE ZIPSPLAT REALLY APPRECIATES YOUR HELP
< 1319948464 67128 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah blah one bad apple
< 1319948472 333739 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: this guy literally talks all the time
< 1319948494 427372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like there hasn't been a five minute stretch when (a) I've been in #archlinux (b) he isn't talking every tenth line
< 1319948516 687509 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly investigative journalism is required
< 1319948519 9570 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly this ZipSplat guy is super annoying too :P
< 1319948610 713668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well neither is an op, it seems
< 1319948637 191699 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you should kline them. you're an ircop as well as a wiki admin, right?
< 1319948702 742104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
< 1319948749 927085 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good.
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< 1319950248 697419 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : You know, I just came in here to say NetBeans had a sexy preloader, and now it's been half an hour
< 1319950248 842447 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ffs
< 1319950249 336477 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://i.imgur.com/eRCu6.png That is seriously sexy though. Or maybe that's just because I love that shade of blue.
< 1319950264 843947 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: no seriously, any channel that allows more than three (there were earlier) messages of netbeans preloader praise is the worst
< 1319950272 79790 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL
< 1319950384 687155 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Why are so many IDE's Java powered anyways?
< 1319950396 550683 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :netbeans is java??? so weird
< 1319951017 469693 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only effective control structure in the SQL reporting program I made is the for-each structure. It seem to be able to do most computations needed, but maybe there is something missing. Would it be needed? A virtual table that has an infinite number of records with values 0 for the first row, and then 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and so on... do you think it would help at all?
< 1319951097 234457 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I wonder why that doesn't exist
< 1319951099 591590 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be really useful
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< 1319952394 76313 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ping
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< 1319953017 724120 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wake Gregor up :)
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< 1319955083 469142 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal Re the triple fault, http://p.zem.fi/v6ll
< 1319955083 661659 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1319957823 417260 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I like the not-in-the-usage "force".
< 1319957826 825064 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder where it goes??
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< 1319959347 483565 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
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< 1319965048 72388 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b ++) . return
< 1319965062 96817 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t return
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< 1319967184 235081 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-62.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
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< 1319967548 187402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know a proper (as in, POSIX conforming) cat(1) in an esolang apart from the one I wrote in befunge98? I was cleaning up $HOME and just found it.
< 1319967548 302651 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1319967637 93790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "   kbd    Use the keyboard controller. cold reset (default)" <-- how does that even work
< 1319967647 780007 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm scared to look
< 1319967861 344958 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just my luck.
< 1319967864 669039 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone stole money from me.
< 1319967867 963618 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :assholes.
< 1319967869 940329 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1319967878 882735 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :$120
< 1319967882 624597 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well.
< 1319967901 513539 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets his baseball bat.

< 1319967905 492759 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to fuck some bitches up.
< 1319967921 45917 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: not really)
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< 1319972311 921416 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how the language shootout has benchmarks on CINT
< 1319972322 347567 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good way to demonstrate the importance of implementation over language.
< 1319972323 256061 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, ?
< 1319972329 940786 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CINT?
< 1319972330 172477 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :CINT = some C interpreter
< 1319972332 685257 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1319972339 549282 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's apparently really fucking slow.
< 1319972351 342105 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :slower than Perl, by a huge amount.
< 1319972378 553239 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319972388 762987 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why.
< 1319972402 178507 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like C has complex semantics when interpreted.
< 1319972414 966034 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl does all kinds of wasteful things.
< 1319972443 629099 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when carelessly coded... which is... often.
< 1319972452 342853 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :C doesn't have complex semantics? Seriously?
< 1319972468 95106 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean compared to perl I don't see what would slow it down so much at runtime
< 1319972491 579850 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps CINT is implemented in some poorly chosen language.
< 1319972498 951525 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is just a poorly implemented interpreter.
< 1319972551 937007 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language interpreted by CINT is actually something of a hybrid between C and C++, covering about 95% of ANSI C and 85% of C++. The syntax, however, is a bit more forgiving than either language. For example, the operator -> can be replaced by . with only an optional warning. In addition, statements on the command line do not need to end with a semi-colon, although this is necessary for statements in macros.
< 1319972557 949397 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay. so its not really C.
< 1319972561 84106 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some weird C-like scripting language.
< 1319972621 280753 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89192.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319972643 49924 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome Tyler Derdon.
< 1319972669 99132 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89192.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, thanks for welcoming me :)
< 1319972703 779727 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen you before. Are you new and stuff?
< 1319972711 342827 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!welcome (I think)
< 1319972716 234195 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no...
< 1319972717 732998 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome
< 1319972722 811489 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(   nevermind.
< 1319972733 648865 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: please welcome derdon.
< 1319972734 277670 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: why would he have attempted?! decide!" on the floor tonight
< 1319972735 287677 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: welcome: not found
< 1319972767 432168 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89192.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I'm not really new, just a lurker in this channel ;)
< 1319972897 248210 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .
< 1319973025 429510 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1319973507 549756 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :some channels hate lurkers too
< 1319973527 950749 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not this one
< 1319973546 456090 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got my first kick on irc with message "lurking"
< 1319973551 178278 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1319973595 602165 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. for joining a channel and saying nothing for 15 minutes, while everybody else was also silent
< 1319973648 530213 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the transfer speed of a typical PC floppy drive btw? Anyone happens to know?
< 1319973689 306847 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :must have been around a few kb/s
< 1319973696 871774 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was slow, yes
< 1319973721 789964 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yes but I'm looking for numbers here. Are we talking, say, 1 kb/s, 10 kb/s or 20 kb/s
< 1319973731 970490 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking about*
< 1319973749 823364 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR it took a few minutes to read (or format) the whole floppy
< 1319973755 722677 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1319973784 887934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :formatting could have involved operations that took a different time than normal reading or writing
< 1319973794 526398 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, something like that
< 1319973843 552906 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... 1440kB divided by something between 60s and 240s
< 1319973898 749922 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so between 6 and 24 kb/s approx?
< 1319973910 326921 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1319974110 838404 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or look it up in the big table of storage device transfer speeds
< 1319974124 708967 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, huh, where?
< 1319974128 331403 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, wikipedia?
< 1319974138 148234 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(who else would compile such a list?)
< 1319974155 90342 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I haven't seen the list yet
< 1319974178 676182 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I thought you referred to some specific list you knew existed
< 1319974200 799128 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah wikipedia doesn't seem to have one
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< 1319974269 603952 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amount an unemployed Utah man is charging for the opportunity to hunt and kill him : $10,000
< 1319974320 235927 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1319974645 707385 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: done
< 1319975272 149593 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, he should be charging way more.
< 1319975272 355842 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1319975865 929022 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The keyboard controller had an extra output pin they hooked up into the reboot like way back then, to provide a programmatic reset. Much like they did with the A20 gate.
< 1319975907 318908 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1319976035 858378 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the PC speaker.)
< 1319976061 960042 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though I suppose the beep is a kinda-sorta keyboard-related thing.)
< 1319976383 473807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah
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< 1319978121 530213 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1319978204 904388 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
< 1319978376 382219 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a tuple of ([Int],[Char])
< 1319978391 898077 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I've got a bunch of those
< 1319978422 227052 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I want to get rid of the ones with equal [Int] parts so it is unique
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< 1319978905 243363 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any idea how?
< 1319978912 685961 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In haskell, btw
< 1319979122 29632 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?ty nubBy ((==) `on` fst)
< 1319979122 852498 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (Eq a) => [(a, b)] -> [(a, b)]
< 1319979194 454027 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let l = [(1, "foo"), (2, "bar"), (1, "baz"), (3, "quux")] in nubBy ((==) `on` fst) l
< 1319979195 359786 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [(1,"foo"),(2,"bar"),(3,"quux")]
< 1319979201 239105 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1319979202 791272 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks
< 1319979205 706795 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just going to do that.
< 1319979218 492904 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Int], fizzie, not Int.
< 1319979218 782281 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant is such a spoilamator.
< 1319979239 206075 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Why would that matter?
< 1319979240 992971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t nubBy
< 1319979241 694458 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (a -> a -> Bool) -> [a] -> [a]
< 1319979263 153319 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it doesn't, it's just hardly the best demonstration.
< 1319979334 412020 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let l = [([1], "foo"), ([2], "bar"), ([1], "baz"), ([3], "quux")] in nubBy ((==) `on` fst) l  -- much improved.
< 1319979335 259759 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [([1],"foo"),([2],"bar"),([3],"quux")]
< 1319979377 813273 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, he said that he wanted to get rid of those with equal [Int] parts, not pick only one of them.
< 1319979402 689250 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I interpreted a bit.
< 1319979444 825708 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly from the "so it is unique" part, though admittedly completely removing multiple things would also match that.
< 1319979513 272769 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is right
< 1319979522 166801 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not Phantom_Hoover's fault
< 1319979524 362606 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mine
< 1319979529 8042 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I will go now
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< 1319985530 719280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, spam claiming to be from Microsoft
< 1319985535 805606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that died out years ago
< 1319985886 132988 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, they broke the theme.. it sounds like they took the old theme and just added another theme on top of (or under) it
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< 1319992846 906395 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this a proper way of representing a TFM font in Haskell?   data Font = Font { fontName :: ByteString, fontChecksum :: Word32, atSize :: Word32, designSize :: Word32, fontDimen :: [Int32], firstChar :: Word8, leftBoundChar :: [LigKern], rightBoundChar :: Word8, characters :: [FontChar] } deriving (Eq, Show);
< 1319992885 566613 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :data FontChar = FontChar { charWidth :: Int32, charHeight :: Int32, charDepth :: Int32, charItalCorr :: Int32, charLarger :: Maybe Word8, charLigKern :: [LigKern], charExten :: Maybe Extensible } deriving (Eq, Show);
< 1319992968 907471 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :data LigKern = Kerning { lkChar :: Word8, kernDist :: Int32 } | Ligature { lkChar :: Word8, ligChar :: Word8, ligDelCur :: Bool, ligDelNext :: Bool, ligSkip :: Int } deriving (Eq, Show);
< 1319992988 334752 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Extensible = Extensible { extTop :: Word8, extMid :: Word8, extBot :: Word8, extRep :: Word8 } deriving (Eq, Show);
< 1319992992 589466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do Americans really pronounce "buoy" as "booey"?
< 1319993000 528645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it just this one particular American being crazy?
< 1319993008 324835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the UK pronunciation is "boy")
< 1319993023 333215 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Probably it is more than one, and not only necessarily American.
< 1319993032 258761 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1319993043 964637 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1319993089 881288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1319993152 272589 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've written a crappy program to help me write Pietbot
< 1319993186 79424 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's essentially a version of Dijkstra's algorithm, over the space of Piet programs that only use push 1, add, sub, mult, and dup
< 1319993206 249633 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't really work very well
< 1319993262 228435 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah I've only ever heard "booey"
< 1319993295 363264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :American English is bizarre sometimes
< 1319993303 133931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thanks for letting me know
< 1319993312 764351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suppose British English is bizarre sometimes too)
< 1319993391 481610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like the word has a sensible spelling for either pronunciation
< 1319993414 862575 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which word are we talking about?
< 1319993418 852878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"buoy"
< 1319993436 797901 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely homophonic to "boy"
< 1319993459 410272 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be pronounce "boo-oi" if language was logical
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< 1319994794 194350 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Working on Even has given me a good idea for that other language I was working on, Very.
< 1319994817 676761 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also found out that Unicode doesn't have a lot of the arrow symbols I want. :(
< 1319994821 694399 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1319994903 437 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile, since IWC ended, I'm bingeing on Gunnerkrigg Court
< 1319994989 116172 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, for a stack-based language, a good set of basic combinators is dup, swap, drop, quote, apply, compose.
< 1319995013 716358 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with restricting it to stack-based operation is that you have to make a lot of unnecessary guarantees about sequence.
< 1319995077 424436 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you make those (or any minimal set of) combinators into composition operations, then in, say, "x dup f g", you can perform f and g in parallel.
< 1319995100 621900 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You go from just composition into building a Big Damn DAG.
< 1319995114 316351 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even entirely sure it needs to be acyclic.
< 1319995203 82440 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not too sure what you are on about
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< 1319995525 473017 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey elliott
< 1319995529 193689 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1319995538 429534 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are you?
< 1319995558 657572 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:40:37:  fizzie, " kbd Use the keyboard controller. cold reset (default)" <-- how does that even work
< 1319995558 729629 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:40:47:  I'm scared to look
< 1319995564 199689 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: x86 does everything through the keyboard
< 1319995565 235416 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: good
< 1319995672 447829 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:31:09:  Amount an unemployed Utah man is charging for the opportunity to hunt and kill him : $10,000
< 1319995679 975478 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :amount CakeProphet is gullible: 100%
< 1319995716 178414 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an objective measure of gullibility now?
< 1319995730 72765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep!
< 1319995734 554259 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Ngevd ROSYARROW
< 1319995836 556166 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: it's measured in CakeProphets
< 1319995870 66265 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner++
< 1319996377 148939 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MERGE MY PULL REQUEST DAMMIT :|
< 1319996385 408250 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also
< 1319996387 428375 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: ROSYARROW
< 1319996502 798265 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always misread rosyarrow as roysarrow
< 1319996527 215384 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it makes no sense
< 1319996587 424718 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
< 1319996603 369290 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Targets (8): glibc-2.14.1-1  gcc-libs-4.6.2-1  gcc-4.6.2-1  libltdl-2.4.2-2
< 1319996603 579714 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :             libpurple-2.10.0-3  libtool-2.4.2-2  pidgin-2.10.0-3
< 1319996603 652474 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :             sudo-1.8.3.p1-1
< 1319996618 130579 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do core system packages even get upgraded this often.
< 1319996634 952761 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch mysteries
< 1319996679 938209 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish Nix was actually pcsm instead so I could use NixOS.
< 1319996734 305096 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: x86 does everything through the keyboard <-- yeah, I forgot that
< 1319996743 147375 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it reminded me of the horrible A20 line
< 1319996746 697926 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precisely.
< 1319996773 137439 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and what scares me more is that it is still the default way of rebooting!
< 1319996787 157541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You should have seen that reddit post.
< 1319996791 760153 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which one?
< 1319996802 44945 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one I can't find, about how Linux reboots.
< 1319996803 570773 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really grotty.
< 1319996806 633810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319996813 771438 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is that with or without kexec?
< 1319996826 433441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway what does "grotty" mean?
< 1319996829 108886 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kexec doesn't actually involve a reboot.
< 1319996832 408642 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seen you using it recently
< 1319996843 72775 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/grotty
< 1319996856 581211 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
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< 1319998412 205043 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just seen this: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/people/dimitris/fc-kind-poly.pdf
< 1319998415 968824 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting read.
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< 1319999441 436470 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how using GNOME apps in Xfce is now ultra-painful because of GTK3 themes.
< 1319999447 305286 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORRY I MISSPELLED HATE
< 1319999492 163308 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes it sucks. I can live with it though, only eog and evince that have that issue for me. Don't use many gnome programs
< 1319999496 525808 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use more KDE ones in fact
< 1319999505 573168 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or QT at least
< 1319999507 470567 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For me it's file-roller and evince.
< 1319999521 673313 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, well I open file-roller sometimes
< 1319999522 15190 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adwaita is in fact uglier than the Raleigh-esque "no theme" that it uses by default.
< 1319999523 841227 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not often
< 1319999530 751739 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1319999537 421568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Raleigh being?
< 1319999545 594722 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, the one that looks like Windows 95.
< 1319999548 585161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1319999549 567195 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1319999564 350034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and Adwaita is the weird GTK3 theme?
< 1319999570 817117 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it defaults to normally
< 1319999573 22969 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or?
< 1319999588 208658 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the "standard" one. And, well, didn't default to it here; gnome-themes-standard isn't pulled in by the (tiny) xfce4 group.
< 1319999595 58187 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot how that looked. I gave up on GNOME 3 after about half an hour of trying to get anything saneö.
< 1319999596 171874 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although both gtk2 and gtk3 are.
< 1319999597 104968 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sane*
< 1319999599 163672 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of some weird bug, I'm using a recolored Mist.
< 1319999604 137407 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because most other things lag everything to hell.
< 1319999606 290861 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: Grey Mist.
< 1319999611 135189 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the only acceptable colouration of Mist.
< 1319999622 191871 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a clearlooks fan myself
< 1319999622 265140 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gray with pink highlights.
< 1319999622 772831 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doh.
< 1319999630 394184 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname, ouch
< 1319999632 484818 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, clearlooks lags to crap too... :(
< 1319999639 202541 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, given that Grey Mist only exists in your mind, apparently...
< 1319999641 342277 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname, what sort of computer?
< 1319999644 703524 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What.
< 1319999647 994351 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laptop, pretty current.
< 1319999651 756500 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: People have used Grey Mist for years.
< 1319999652 135279 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1319999654 99099 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before I updated, everything worked fine.
< 1319999655 154693 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :But...
< 1319999656 947266 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something broke.
< 1319999663 376622 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so downgrade!
< 1319999664 350537 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a known problem.
< 1319999667 787561 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy with a proper OS
< 1319999669 350317 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ISTR asking for a link, whereupon you told me it should be on my system, which it wasn't.
< 1319999671 314083 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as NixOS
< 1319999673 207763 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, =p
< 1319999676 546206 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, uh..
< 1319999677 808885 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: grep -r
< 1319999683 522582 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hits Debian with a giant sledgehammer

< 1319999699 293064 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: NixOS doesn't let you roll back service state.
< 1319999700 435216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname, just select old config in the grub menu and it will magically be back where it was before, modulo bootloader, which is quite a special case
< 1319999707 536285 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh?
< 1319999712 795719 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is wrong then.
< 1319999714 537968 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: This is because it is not pcsm.
< 1319999724 427257 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, still it is better than most other distros currently available
< 1319999726 290172 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I don't think it's a kernel problem.
< 1319999729 994474 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can rollback /default/ service state, I would think, but definitely not running service state.)
< 1319999731 611277 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xorg, I think.
< 1319999743 574250 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname, I think it lets you rollback that too?
< 1319999748 639413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname, it is not just kernel
< 1319999750 121549 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno.
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< 1319999760 570266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname, it lets you rollback the system configuration because it is crazy awesome.
< 1319999761 155276 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bootloader entries only do kernel, I think.
< 1319999767 44275 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname, not in nixos
< 1319999767 253420 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are you talking NixOS?
< 1319999768 841169 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1319999770 690941 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname, yes
< 1319999771 945314 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Grey Mist is not an option I can see.
< 1319999776 385064 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, what hopefully will happen is Clearlooks or whatever will be ported to GTK3 and then GTK2 will die.
< 1319999796 276617 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname, of course I'm a nixos fan. I'm not switching from arch just yet because of catalyst issues.
< 1319999799 389591 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Are you deliberately wasting my time?
< 1319999808 640918 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION liked Shiki a lot, but it lags too.

< 1319999835 461599 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you keep saying how fantastic it is and I can't find it for the life of me?
< 1319999844 551636 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky esoteric]$ grep -r 'Grey Mist' . | grep sprunge
< 1319999844 627378 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT WAS SO FUCKING HARD
< 1319999875 842999 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, you want me to grep the esoteric logs. This was completely clear from 'grep -r'.
< 1319999895 537174 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, I leaked Grey Mist to #ubuntu and then never revealed it to any other channel again.
< 1319999906 364527 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be completely unreasonable to expect it to be in the logs of #esoteric.
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< 1319999939 409002 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it was also clear from 'grep -r' that you made the theme and distributed it here.
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< 1320001036 993120 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, Actually I seem to remember pikhq was involved in its creation too.
< 1320001041 538205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a vague memory of it
< 1320001075 661076 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also... dinky as a hostname? heh
< 1320001085 715683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you going for cute or something?
< 1320001091 637231 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's small!
< 1320001097 40248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure
< 1320001108 103544 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is that the Toshiba?
< 1320001121 459046 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. The Air is katia.
< 1320001132 758440 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see any obvious meaning of that one
< 1320001136 343657 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My naming scheme is that I don't have a naming scheme.
< 1320001139 478213 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1320001145 160783 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Prequel.
< 1320001145 505501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :katia meaning?
< 1320001148 880321 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1320001159 710372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I had spent about two days trying to think of a name so I just picked one at random and stuck with it.)
< 1320001190 412419 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, I've almost wrangled Adwaita into something tolerable.
< 1320001374 516089 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it is this
< 1320001399 6831 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, an irc channel named #esoteric
< 1320001423 921019 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i mean this adwaita thing
< 1320001430 49071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtk3 theme
< 1320001430 537115 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't paid much attention here lately
< 1320001432 525680 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1320001514 26869 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw don't you like the win95 style? You said it was better than the default Adwaita. But it sounded like it was "oh Adwaita is so bad even the win95 style lack of theme that gtk3 defaults to is better"
< 1320001523 812260 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's uglier than Win95 :)
< 1320001527 766805 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay
< 1320001539 461883 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I almost have Adwaita looking mostly like Clearloooks.
< 1320001541 316396 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So woo?
< 1320001546 828268 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I find it somewhat acceptable though somewhat jarring compared to everything else that I use, which either use gtk2 or qt with gtk2 backedn
< 1320001549 728915 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :backend*
< 1320001555 869012 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ujst have to make the scrollbars smaller and more tolerable and make the menus slightly less awful.
< 1320001571 276880 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, cool. Show me the screenshots and upload the modified theme somewhere
< 1320001589 993522 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw can you keep separate gtk2 and gtk3 themes? Otherwise I will prefer getting the gtk2 one right for now
< 1320001596 422223 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so few things use gtk3
< 1320001598 813011 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as of yet
< 1320001602 593270 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, you can.
< 1320001607 343535 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just dump shit into ~/.config/gtk-3.0.
< 1320001613 697215 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1320001622 516312 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should make a derived theme or w/e but I just copied all the Adwaita CSS and started hacking at it because I'm lazy :P
< 1320001626 874925 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it didn't seem to work out with a quick look at the GUI tools for it, but meh
< 1320001636 38642 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably gnome's settings did something stupid
< 1320001639 546378 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like store it in gconf
< 1320001641 397259 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever
< 1320001649 958416 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait what, it is css!?
< 1320001656 90894 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes.
< 1320001658 539650 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought GTK themes used a custom format
< 1320001663 84633 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GTK 2 themes do.
< 1320001665 574800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1320001668 358894 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GTK 3 themes are an engine, like before, plus CSS.
< 1320001669 304400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why oh why css
< 1320001677 251827 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Dude, shut up, the old format was about 90 billion times worse.
< 1320001682 171323 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I already _know_ CSS.
< 1320001682 469363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sure
< 1320001691 787130 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same goes for Mutter (= Metacity 3) themes.
< 1320001699 486688 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1320001726 349569 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm just saying CSS doesn't make that much sense for formatting stuff like scrollbar handle decoration
< 1320001735 310616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :postscript, that is the way to go
< 1320001802 723766 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ^
< 1320001822 92975 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No :P
< 1320001833 291239 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a turing complete language for drawing windowing system, it makes perfect sense!
< 1320001843 261841 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Quartz uses PDF...
< 1320001848 360187 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell, lets do postscript + vector displays
< 1320001851 778502 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be cool
< 1320001858 455888 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is great because, in the first few OS X versions, screenshots were actually PDFs by default.
< 1320001862 348508 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scalable PDFs.
< 1320001866 638042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you told me before
< 1320001872 273032 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, with embedded bitmaps for window buttons and the like but still :P)
< 1320001884 70474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I know postscript has been used for display in several systems
< 1320001888 940272 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they even "layered" it properly so you could plausibly eliminate a single window from the front.
< 1320001894 49041 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pdf in OS X
< 1320001900 33453 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, Quartz is the successor to Display PostScript or whatever from NeXT :P
< 1320001907 877192 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1320001970 450356 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    outline: 99px solid red;
< 1320001973 399026 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This had better show up.
< 1320002015 537467 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ouch. Just ouch
< 1320002026 249614 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't :(
< 1320002219 819418 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I can get a WebKit Inspector on the menus :P
< 1320002247 310800 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i42.tinypic.com/35ask5s.png < Too pink? =p
< 1320002270 449435 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320002284 555711 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :barf
< 1320002314 800974 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey look, I lost connection momentarily
< 1320002327 105338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320002468 919623 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname, IT'S LIKE MY RETINAS STARTED HAEMORRHAGING
< 1320002502 984421 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1320002614 576780 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :;.;
< 1320002843 484331 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW THE FUCK DO I ADD BORDERS TO THIS MENU
< 1320003356 397062 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1320003366 369388 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has no context whatsoever about whatever's going on in this channel.

< 1320003379 123244 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought a bit of invalid XML would improve the mood.
< 1320003555 522362 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told you we need an esoteric markup language!
< 1320003781 351611 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-147-243.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320004203 439769 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats an esoteric
< 1320004276 477222 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://i42.tinypic.com/35ask5s.png < Too pink? =p <-- ouch
< 1320004295 511847 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the colours are kind of matched at least
< 1320004300 870429 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probs more of a lavender)
< 1320004336 218801 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname, personally I go for a blue-grey theme
< 1320004350 914298 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :standard clearlooks + blue-grey solid colour desktop bg
< 1320004352 120218 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1320004384 52117 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i41.tinypic.com/i35l5e.png
< 1320004389 185172 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think that icon set matches beter?
< 1320004390 511850 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :better*
< 1320004406 851178 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Closer hue, I think, but it's a bit darker.
< 1320004409 758935 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1320004421 866833 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-55.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :eewww
< 1320004423 579246 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname, I'm just not fond of pink
< 1320004427 424638 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or lavender
< 1320004429 796034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or lilac
< 1320004438 455578 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do ultramarine.
< 1320004469 578906 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ultramarinepigment.jpg <-- like that
< 1320004485 895267 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Way too strong of a color.
< 1320004489 121638 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't look too good on this monitor
< 1320004493 979805 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks better in real life
< 1320004505 930830 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, perhaps it is outside of sRGB?
< 1320004601 98436 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is better:   (\b -> if b == 0 then Nothing else Just (b, b-1))   or   (\x -> guard (x /= 0) >> Just (x, x-1))    ?
< 1320004680 734397 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnome-colors distrobution is a tarbomb
< 1320004681 658485 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::I
< 1320004686 1428 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or this:   (\x -> (x, x-1) <$ guard (x /= 0))
< 1320004692 833007 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Whichever one you like more.
< 1320004722 223336 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to like the third one but what is your opinions of it?
< 1320004747 560161 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd use ($>) if such a thing existed
< 1320004760 807736 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Another one for "combinators"? :-)
< 1320004781 506591 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there ought to be a standard function (I'm not creative with names) of type Bool -> a -> Maybe a that returns Nothing if its first argument false, otherwise Just its second argument.
< 1320004785 258917 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You can write one then, if you want that one
< 1320004785 752980 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If such a thing exists, use that.
< 1320004787 8420 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Should be in base, given that the flipped one exists
< 1320004789 209215 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise write it.
< 1320004801 270066 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (Control.Applicative is in base right?)
< 1320004803 659299 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Everything in combinators should probably be in base.
< 1320004805 64095 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes.
< 1320004811 925825 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, but this even more so. :-P
< 1320004839 349755 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is False
< 1320004847 304283 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if (<*) =/= flip (*>) bothers anyone but fax.
< 1320004850 799990 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\b -> listToMaybe [(b,b-1) | b /= 0])
< 1320004865 844632 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Monad comprehensions eliminate the listToMaybe part, no?
< 1320004874 243428 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Right.
< 1320004884 46281 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What it sounds like zzo38 needs is safeMinus :: Integer -> Integer -> Maybe Integer
< 1320004884 635393 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I've give a Haskell solution, though.
< 1320004887 781816 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not glasgow-exts
< 1320004888 531219 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :safeMinus 0 _ = Nothing
< 1320004893 630299 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :safeMinus m n = Just (m - n)
< 1320004895 155874 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it's
< 1320004898 722782 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not have to be only for Maybe, it could be more general to use any MonadPlus (or Alternative, although it seem less useful with Alternative because of the lesser laws)
< 1320004900 285332 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\b -> (b,) <$> safeMinus b
< 1320004905 634901 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Booleans are evil, and whatnot.
< 1320004909 384936 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm
< 1320004911 235156 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\b -> (b,) <$> safeMinus b 1
< 1320004919 816810 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl \b -> (,) b <$> safeMinus b 1
< 1320004920 301123 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftM2 (<$>) (,) (flip safeMinus 1)
< 1320004923 856577 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you go.
< 1320004932 872020 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's so safe about safe minus
< 1320004934 312081 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftM2 (<$>) (,) $ safeSubtract 1
< 1320004940 789292 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: It's safe if you think Integer = Natural.
< 1320004950 789441 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :safeminus 1 100
< 1320005025 353095 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if n was always 1 it would work as a safepred though
< 1320005059 148106 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I prefer  (\x -> (x, x-1) <$ guard (x /= 0))  rather than using list comprehensions and that stuff, but I suppose you can use whatever
< 1320005118 572363 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does (<*) =/= flip (*>) bother anyone? It is supposed to be different (with some (not all) Applicatives); it useful both ways with parsing, for example.
< 1320005337 440434 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things such as Data.ByteString and Data.List and Data.Set have many common functions; why aren't these functions a class?
< 1320005503 615828 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Why does (<*) =/= flip (*>) bother anyone?
< 1320005510 148693 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :flipped operator almost always means = fliped version of the non-flipped one
< 1320005516 77448 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(visually)
< 1320005521 279642 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. (<<) and (>>)
< 1320005525 568090 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty (<<)
< 1320005526 463920 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `<<'
< 1320005530 257543 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*>) = (>>) also so it's quite surprising that (<*) =/= (<<)
< 1320005531 678424 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle (<<)
< 1320005532 392594 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.Html (<<) :: HTML a => (Html -> b) -> a -> b
< 1320005532 559081 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.XHtml.Frameset (<<) :: HTML a => (Html -> b) -> a -> b
< 1320005532 731456 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.XHtml.Strict (<<) :: HTML a => (Html -> b) -> a -> b
< 1320005534 627118 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1320005536 264859 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's somewhere :P
< 1320005538 727344 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's =<<
< 1320005544 149080 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No it ain't.
< 1320005544 258842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't think << exists
< 1320005544 845004 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is THE SAME
< 1320005553 196873 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE SAME ONLY DIFFERENT
< 1320005555 413411 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just pretend I said (=<<)
< 1320005563 505691 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(=<<) is different.
< 1320005572 963337 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no way it could work like <*
< 1320005577 447722 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, <* is actually useful.
< 1320005603 588289 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is.
< 1320005610 338464 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax wanted it to be called (*<), which is hideous.
< 1320005668 289414 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<⁎
< 1320005674 31100 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<⁑
< 1320005689 150173 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<∗
< 1320005714 698767 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :⁂
< 1320005774 96918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<☃
< 1320005783 176313 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because, hey, why not)
< 1320006216 68444 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1320007044 242226 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re keyboard, I don't think there's much more than the keyboard itself, the rebooting, the A20 gate, and the PC speaker thing.
< 1320007064 377617 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "<".
< 1320007064 872256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (the UK pronunciation is "boy")
< 1320007072 760674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sense great pun opportunities
< 1320007086 369188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, it's actually quite hard to make a pun out of that
< 1320007088 470655 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although probably doable
< 1320007093 288430 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's called a "pun-portunity".
< 1320007096 100567 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh buoy here we go
< 1320007102 847146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something involving fishing, presumably
< 1320007144 434773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a port-boyteau?
< 1320007180 843610 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Groan.
< 1320007183 425789 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: idgi
< 1320007194 149157 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a port buoy tow?
< 1320007206 810150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a pun on portmanteau
< 1320007215 590836 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan
< 1320007241 127939 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont like yuoe
< 1320007248 691710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_;
< 1320007283 619636 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is the fact that you usually find buoys at ports part of the pun too?
< 1320007294 920827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...maybe.
< 1320007313 294345 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Puns upon puns upon puns.
< 1320007327 381387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :P U N C E P T I O N
< 1320007329 131389 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Within, not upon. I guess.
< 1320007354 46359 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :upun
< 1320007366 873869 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up puns.
< 1320007370 831226 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You know how to get this GTK 3 theming thing to work, right? I'm sure you're an expert.
< 1320007371 542521 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I deserve this pun ishment?
< 1320007406 270104 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1320007407 967505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: kickban
< 1320007418 574644 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you retroactively deserve it for saying that
< 1320007419 926940 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It used to be so that you just gtkrc and include and whatever and there was this thing to reload, but I suppose with three it's all so different.
< 1320007422 703161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i was about expecting to be kickbanned myself...
< 1320007434 877221 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes. It's: CSS.
< 1320007457 387716 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, is it also HTML5 or 6 or  7 or so?
< 1320007470 583665 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No, it's just CSS.
< 1320007475 784552 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How rude.
< 1320007477 80977 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they have some internal XML representation to make that work?
< 1320007482 263219 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, the tags are named after the widget classes.
< 1320007496 196655 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GtkTreeMenu.menu {
< 1320007496 289320 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I'm not exactly sobber. And I doubt I could help otherwise either.
< 1320007496 361944 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    background-color: @theme_base_color;
< 1320007496 434295 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :}
< 1320007504 782383 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sobber.
< 1320007554 450925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :finns never sob.  they drown the tears in alcohol.
< 1320007598 717703 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might sob if they ever got sobber though
< 1320007612 12884 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Here's the useful. Perl, "use Gtk2; init Gtk2; my $ev = Gtk2::Gdk::Event->new('client-event'); $ev->message_type(Gtk2::Gdk::Atom->intern('_GTK_READ_RCFILES')); $ev->data_format(8);
< 1320007619 173662 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ev->data('burp');
< 1320007619 246254 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gtk2::Gdk::Event->send_clientmessage_toall($ev);
< 1320007621 5800 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so on.
< 1320007627 621891 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What... what does that do.
< 1320007631 20952 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :burp
< 1320007631 977143 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I was going to paste all that on one line but didn't manage.
< 1320007634 189825 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reload themes in all open windows?
< 1320007637 906653 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It refreshes a thing.
< 1320007642 245174 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A thing that a thing.
< 1320007647 457185 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1320007655 41827 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You modify your .gtkrc2rc2rc2rc rc manually and then it refresh.
< 1320007665 655292 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You sure aren't very sobber.
< 1320007682 842430 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give me a break, it was like one litter of liter of tequila or something.
< 1320007699 999441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor tequila pups
< 1320007700 584428 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also not just any but *Greek*.
< 1320007711 664731 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had lambdas and all.
< 1320007721 669192 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: How are you funnier when drunk nobody is ever funnier when drunk.
< 1320007722 488867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it was functional tequila, i take
< 1320007757 448669 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In "τηλ"!)
< 1320007764 115023 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A tellyphone number.
< 1320007772 15778 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, a cat.
< 1320007789 82959 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320007794 334035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the great keyboard hunter
< 1320007829 176609 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just imagining fizzie staggering all over the channel.
< 1320007833 515810 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1320007845 348509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a staggering thought
< 1320007849 744101 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mee-eep", the cat said.
< 1320007883 83456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: IT'S A CATBOT
< 1320007891 311095 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is like when fizzie started talking in lowercase but amazing instead of horrifying.
< 1320007935 353811 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure I'm "sobber"
< 1320007963 334451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION passes Taneb some kleenex

< 1320007963 910029 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sobbrest
< 1320007974 885170 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most sobbre
< 1320008123 867784 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<✱
< 1320008177 320323 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::>
< 1320008193 30756 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<:
< 1320008317 508853 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::>
< 1320008331 679133 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::>
< 1320008340 206221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<:>
< 1320008366 566634 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It is the fault of ineiros I think I say.
< 1320008373 384198 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't everything?
< 1320008374 46547 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : This is like when fizzie started talking in lowercase but amazing instead of horrifying.
< 1320008385 544478 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god lay off the Halloween stories.
< 1320008393 34574 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: He didn't use ANY PUNCTUATION.
< 1320008400 164193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUAHUGHGUAHGAU
< 1320008407 534454 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It wasn't like 2002.
< 1320008412 622748 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was rational, punctuated, lowercase other-fizzie.
< 1320008417 946751 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was HORRIFIZZIE.
< 1320008434 19065 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to sleep tonight.
< 1320008456 756068 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is fizzie 30 yet.
< 1320008484 816057 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not quite yet; actually not even 29 until April next year. But I suppose it's NEAR.
< 1320008500 560104 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humans live to 30?????
< 1320008509 716501 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought we died off around 26 or so.
< 1320008517 570184 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is just exceptionally long-lasting.
< 1320008519 226071 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm s/we/you/
< 1320008519 905913 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be his time soon.
< 1320008547 491582 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn
< 1320008556 136637 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is only musicians that die at 27.
< 1320008557 135245 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've caught up on Gunnerkrigg Court
< 1320008622 185100 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow deja vu
< 1320008623 675192 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: After starting... this morning?
< 1320008630 754509 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep
< 1320008644 905942 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it with comics that are short.
< 1320008650 966330 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not even comprehend how they exist any more.
< 1320008672 407153 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : No, I just time-travelled multiple times
< 1320008679 883722 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can read while I can read
< 1320008681 529105 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/^ //
< 1320008703 612288 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That indent was important
< 1320008721 185244 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, how did you merge the parallel Tanebs into a single whole which read all of GK, rather than bits of it.
< 1320008732 638055 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Careful planning
< 1320008735 798999 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need a program to read Haskell file without an extension so it doesn't know .hs or .lhs format, you can make it treated as .lhs if the first character is one of > \ % because none of these character are valid as the first character of a Haskell program anyways
< 1320008753 955863 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I'm a couple of weeks older than I was yesterday
< 1320008771 684023 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means my birthday was today
< 1320008820 427012 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually add < to that list as well
< 1320008860 363182 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, there is a sticker on my hand
< 1320008875 479728 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says "ENERGY STAR"
< 1320008895 878781 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D
< 1320008913 220925 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could have been worse
< 1320008919 482612 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, no your birthday can't be in two weeks we 16-year-olds need to stick together.
< 1320008940 520294 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's on Thursday, young Phantom_Hoover
< 1320008943 816117 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 15-year-olds are beating at our doors!
< 1320008945 991638 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nooooo!
< 1320008962 782304 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I will be delaying the celebrations until Saturday for personal reasons
< 1320008964 409852 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, you get the infrastructure ready.
< 1320008979 404504 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll take over later while elliott covers the retreat.
< 1320009066 617305 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to be 16 ;_; it's going to be horrible
< 1320009075 622572 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip monqy "old age"
< 1320009092 823204 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip
< 1320009093 856647 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy "old age" rip
< 1320009099 156519 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I can assure you it's awful
< 1320009138 483522 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, yes, you deserve it for being 15 for so long.
< 1320009149 803557 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1320009158 272836 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 is bad too
< 1320009188 475832 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, which is why you must give penance for it.
< 1320009190 980680 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I imagine 16 is worse
< 1320009204 370173 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 is semiprime
< 1320009209 550969 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 is a fourth power
< 1320009216 741627 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 2^2^2
< 1320009220 587652 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Listen to Taneb, monqy.
< 1320009226 440536 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're in the semiprime of your life.
< 1320009247 425785 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(He knows this because he is 16, thus wise.)
< 1320009248 806483 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 is a pretty okay number but there are just so many bad things that could happen
< 1320009256 653434 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could die.
< 1320009280 42244 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320009281 55804 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :death by learning how to operate motor vehicles
< 1320009288 321059 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my biggest fear
< 1320009289 36283 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do that at 16?
< 1320009295 712037 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :usa
< 1320009322 201099 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people start learning at 15 I think?? and can get a lisens at 16 / I just hope nobody notices me
< 1320009324 188027 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm planning to go insane when I'm allowed to get a driving licence.
< 1320009362 877041 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's going to go wrong, PH
< 1320009367 156278 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What variety of insane?
< 1320009378 453380 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Why would you even bother.
< 1320009378 525641 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Chinese New Year when the Sun and Moon are near 315 degrees? I thought I read somewhere but am not entirely sure how it works.
< 1320009380 797245 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :From school information on road safety I understand that driving in your teens basically consists of endless melodrama and tragedy.
< 1320009388 292081 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my hope is that I don't have to bother
< 1320009388 808566 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're going to have all the materials you need to make a llama bone bracelet studded with bismuthite
< 1320009394 428521 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but my fear is that i'll have to bother
< 1320009397 179369 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Move somewhere with a rail system that actually exists.
< 1320009397 986141 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will menace with spikes of maple
< 1320009402 500897 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Amtrak is actually made of pixie dust.)
< 1320009407 493923 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have always refused the driving license
< 1320009411 71966 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rail system sounds nice
< 1320009418 407925 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to Hexham!
< 1320009426 180523 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, no, if I was in a strange mood I would leave the bismuthinite alone.
< 1320009443 997327 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, tram system is better.
< 1320009458 112820 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything but me driving cars
< 1320009465 281550 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: I am probably going to get lynched if anyone else from Edinburgh reads that.)
< 1320009467 75767 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, go to Sheffield!
< 1320009477 440548 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Melbourne!
< 1320009482 388942 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... Beamish!
< 1320009484 47668 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sheffield is bad I can confirm.
< 1320009488 932113 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes move to Beamish.
< 1320009496 298239 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, don't listen to his lies nobody goes to Sheffield voluntarily.
< 1320009496 436738 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be a Victorian!
< 1320009498 567692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1320009507 338115 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do that with Melbourne /or/ Beamish!
< 1320009509 29010 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes Beamish is where it is at.
< 1320009512 183893 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what any of these places are :(
< 1320009520 113936 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy has never heard of Melbourne.
< 1320009522 383108 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they important
< 1320009526 418185 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You have heard of Melbourne right.)
< 1320009527 579963 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to Edinburgh we have a bus company with a really detailed WP article.
< 1320009528 950772 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of melbourne by name
< 1320009535 272716 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a place in Scotland.
< 1320009535 691652 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what it is though
< 1320009538 650403 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was almost called Batmania
< 1320009542 552260 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They drink beer there.
< 1320009542 678957 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a good place
< 1320009544 113764 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After Batman
< 1320009544 441864 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also coffee.
< 1320009546 227949 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, do you, and I cannot overstress the importance of this question, know where Scotland is?
< 1320009549 902358 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Tell monqy about the delights of Melbourne, Scotland.
< 1320009554 359562 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scotland's over there
< 1320009559 427728 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, that's Perth you're thinking of.
< 1320009562 999109 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm miserable at geography
< 1320009563 389173 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh, right.
< 1320009566 172717 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Perth, Scotland.
< 1320009567 393713 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I hate geography
< 1320009573 981343 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's Inverness...?
< 1320009582 747308 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know how usa geography works
< 1320009597 148828 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You used to live in Melbourne, Scotland, right?
< 1320009601 142946 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, nobody does.
< 1320009602 273262 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right below Wales.
< 1320009606 599530 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nearby
< 1320009610 813756 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the suburbs
< 1320009619 62057 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In the middle of London.)
< 1320009629 181258 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The South is in the southwest? WTF?
< 1320009630 722300 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :London is of course part of Canada.
< 1320009646 402282 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, you're thinking of Inverness, Sweden.
< 1320009652 725472 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course
< 1320009662 748256 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daily reminder that British place names are so good.
< 1320009673 882222 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps one of the nine Invernesses in the States.
< 1320009678 483898 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Invernessi?)
< 1320009695 865837 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, that's Mexico.
< 1320009700 436120 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mexico, Iceland.
< 1320009729 743058 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I refer, of course, to the supermarket.)
< 1320009735 364164 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear god if all of civilization is lost and future archeologists find this channel's logs they are going to be so educated
< 1320009745 644474 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1320009749 501590 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are doing a public service.
< 1320009766 273802 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The USA also has 5 Edinburghs and two other places with misspellings of it.
< 1320009770 35665 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iceland is, of course, near Argos
< 1320009771 471941 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Archaeologists: This is in fact a mating ritual.
< 1320009784 414810 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb seeks to mate with aloril.
< 1320009786 779346 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yes, the famous Aztec temple.
< 1320009796 110236 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to make up lies that confuse future archaeologists?
< 1320009805 184244 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfff
< 1320009805 342782 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Such a joker!!!!!
< 1320009810 30794 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Archaeologists: zzo38 is a robot. Do not trust his lies.
< 1320009822 757625 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We wouldn't bring ourselves down to the level of /cereal manufacturers/
< 1320009827 262335 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. farmers
< 1320009831 491657 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I asked a question.
< 1320009833 806607 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are a religious superclass
< 1320009849 99147 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not trying to accuse anyone.
< 1320009866 342417 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am just saying something that I think I once saw some idea somewhere, I forget, was it on television?
< 1320009880 234225 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  I am just saying something that I think I once saw some idea somewhere, I forget, was it on television?
< 1320009883 309656 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :702)  I am just saying something that I think I once saw some idea somewhere, I forget, was it on television?
< 1320009897 327343 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 701
< 1320009899 750166 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :701)  I'd insult you behind your back, but I don't care which side of your back I insult you on.
< 1320009904 36566 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes
< 1320009907 575585 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1320009907 915182 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1320009908 235233 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1320009908 307836 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1320009908 461795 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1320009911 492423 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :450)  I go to clean up the shrapnel from a teabag and you're discussing the definition of god out of nowhere.
< 1320009912 164946 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Television is of course, otherwise known has Mt Olympus
< 1320009913 657872 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :665)  Spacegoat is the network-operations-optimized-for-latency-of-minutes-or-hours-due-to-light-speed-limits variant of scapegoat, to be used when you need to check out some code from the Mars colony.   (I'm pretty sure we'll have established a Mars colony by the time scapegoat rolls out.)
< 1320009924 541466 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, elliott is actually a sock I made to add quotes of me.
< 1320009929 513465 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :313)  elliott, incidentally, I started my explorations again after getting bored of the Himalayas.
< 1320009929 713450 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :290)  lol @ closed character set standard   "What does this codepoint represent?" "Nobody knows."
< 1320009929 786669 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :16)  Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it.
< 1320009940 89998 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But those are all good. :/
< 1320009944 422207 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sock given life
< 1320009950 870158 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is he a robot sock
< 1320009956 225065 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both.
< 1320009961 306221 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am actually a wooden robot sock given life.
< 1320009962 53813 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :665 is perhaps a bit wordy, but not deleteworthily so.
< 1320009970 212074 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1320009970 608463 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1320009970 974386 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1320009971 261951 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1320009971 574216 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1320009979 519027 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :309)  elliott: there go my minutes of research!!
< 1320009980 267608 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :252)  in retrospect that wasn't even necessary, as communal readings of the Funge-98 spec do just a good job of getting rid of trolls
< 1320009986 666326 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :309... so good...
< 1320009988 679675 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :69)  i am sad ( of course by analogy) :) smileys)
< 1320009991 70449 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :187)  ais523, what is "MS Publisher"?   Vorpal, you don't want to know.   Vorpal: be glad that you don't know the answer   Vorpal: "horrible"
< 1320009991 772243 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :462) * Sgeo mutters about broken toilets   #toilet is useless   is #toilet even a thing   I'm looking for help with toilets
< 1320009999 773335 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man, 187.
< 1320010013 736350 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :187 and 252 are both not that good, but 187 is amusing in its simultaneejiaetity.
< 1320010016 122808 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So
< 1320010017 401710 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 252
< 1320010018 679537 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :462 is one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
< 1320010020 421469 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1320010036 485017 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1320010037 640 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1320010037 407949 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1320010037 773870 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1320010037 992037 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1320010040 664644 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :140)  Because you're a Mac user.    I am! and proud of it to    My mouse has *no* buttons.
< 1320010047 318020 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :228)  oerjan: What, can girls aim their penises better?
< 1320010050 320372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be 140.
< 1320010056 538762 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :544)  Riots in Glasgow would probably be reported as a sudden drop in crime.
< 1320010056 610119 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :147)  ais523: killer bunnies can be harmed by domesticated canines only.
< 1320010056 738801 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :600)  well, oerjan has a lot of opinions on this, so I'll hand it over to him
< 1320010058 750232 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like 140
< 1320010065 207803 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it's sort of half amusing, it is practically my job to delete Sine quotes.
< 1320010068 610066 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :These aren't even #esoteric quotes, are they?
< 1320010070 417002 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1320010071 777256 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what lead up to 228
< 1320010083 22613 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ehh, none of them are that bad.
< 1320010085 575561 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's get something objectively bad.
< 1320010086 581695 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quot
< 1320010088 552949 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: quot: not found
< 1320010088 894042 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ioops
< 1320010090 86944 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1320010090 529947 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1320010090 886111 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1320010091 319943 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1320010091 453202 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1320010095 782233 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :33)  augur: pretty true.
< 1320010099 268300 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :333)  elliott: I doubt water memory can last for even one second in a gravitational field (or even outside of a gravitational field), but other people think they can make water memory with telephones.
< 1320010109 226225 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :404)  You make a fist, shake it at the sky, and shout "why, GNU, why?!" -- that is the standard reportig practice.
< 1320010109 491129 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :642)  yes 5 is very infixr
< 1320010109 797780 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :530)  Phantom_Hoover: it is a hate so pure and... pumpkin seeds?
< 1320010122 703569 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote v
< 1320010123 923854 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 33
< 1320010124 709396 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1320010126 208680 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1320010142 400179 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*poof*
< 1320010181 520148 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*poof*
< 1320010203 261422 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*foop*
< 1320010213 389505 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pof
< 1320010314 243993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Do you like to make up lies that confuse future archaeologists? <-- hey i just personally checked that london _is_ part of canada.
< 1320010332 217955 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes there is a place called London in Canada.
< 1320010348 41060 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in Ontario, I believe
< 1320010353 339255 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1320010386 490800 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One webcomic I read for a bit then stopped and a character called something like "The Werewolf of London, Ontario"
< 1320010423 885208 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The famous song by Warren Zevon.
< 1320010934 574418 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Did you ever actually react to IWC.
< 1320011013 758865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean post to the forum? no.
< 1320011047 286442 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes that's totally what I said.
< 1320011052 193738 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant it ending :p
< 1320011086 731983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.  yes i did.  in a private message to you, as i recall.
< 1320011123 321491 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. i don't actually remember that. but then i was really tired
< 1320011133 457698 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you mean the three hours of continual sobbing.
< 1320011143 14461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did not actually mention the word "iwc".
< 1320011148 893541 :kmc_!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320011167 763595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, must have been that.
< 1320011566 530531 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to play E-Card? I will tell you. One player get four water energy cards and one fire energy card, the other player get four water energy cards and one leaf energy card. Both players put one card face-down. And then reveal them. If both are water energy card then you put it aside and play another face-down card.
< 1320011628 956469 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise you count whoever gets one point according to the card played, and then you switch the hand you start with the cards that your opponent started with before. Play several rounds a predetermined even number, and then count whoever has more points wins.
< 1320011870 687852 :kmc_!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net NICK :kmc
< 1320011984 838814 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed that the DVI units specification used in TeX is not in lowest terms; I tried changing the numbers in the DVI file to lowest terms and it still works.
< 1320012028 602575 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In lowest terms it would be 396875/7400448
< 1320012297 348513 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :data PageObject = Special ByteString | Box [(Coordinates, PageObject)] | Character Font Word32 | Text Font String | Rule Int32 Int32 deriving (Eq, Show);
< 1320012340 823425 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think the constructor for Text should not be String, because it could include kerns and the characters beyond 0x10FFFF
< 1320012427 360105 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ByteString
< 1320012458 185562 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it could include kerns and it can include characters beyond 255
< 1320012492 172234 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the element type, then?
< 1320012551 587832 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. Maybe it should be [Either Int32 Word32] which would be sufficient, but I don't know if there is better way
< 1320012664 732111 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think about this?
< 1320013271 507105 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Left for signed and Right for unsigned? Seems slightly awkward to me. I never really liked Either in haskell. It feels to me that it doesn't really document the purpose of how it is used in the name and the type
< 1320013298 392146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :compare to Maybe, which is good. Why not just use Either Nothing YourType
< 1320013311 700490 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not Nothing
< 1320013321 866865 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either is good for error reporting.
< 1320013329 650879 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather Either () YourType
< 1320013358 346328 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either Void YourType.
< 1320013361 736282 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that
< 1320013372 821614 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or it's not isomorphic.
< 1320013373 960924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or Either YourType Void I guess
< 1320013380 408085 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, eh?
< 1320013393 641885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Void
< 1320013394 311640 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: data constructor `Void'
< 1320013399 379757 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1320013408 301195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Void
< 1320013409 64049 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: type constructor or class `Void'
< 1320013413 332715 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Void
< 1320013418 98516 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1320013421 126956 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay
< 1320013439 791881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway, my point was not the exact translation between Either and Maybe, but that it feels awkward
< 1320013455 847955 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Left for kerns and Right for characters.
< 1320013484 612377 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is like those C system call APIs you run into sometimes: foo(int request, void *arg1, void *arg2, void *arg3)
< 1320013502 430680 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ioctl is actually varargs
< 1320013503 870129 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah
< 1320013510 374028 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either is useful for error reporting.
< 1320013526 272278 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, as in Either Result ErrorDesc or such?
< 1320013528 330027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I guess so
< 1320013529 846844 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse :: String -> Either ParseError AST
< 1320013530 797593 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either ()   is like   Maybe   it is also a monad, doing some similar things.
< 1320013551 181377 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, Maybe can also be used for successor type
< 1320013562 653884 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try :: (Exception e) => IO a -> IO (Either e a)
< 1320013650 658398 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oooh TB is doing a live stream first impression of "Cthulhu saves the world", I heard good thing about that game. Just in case anyone is interested. Find a link from yogscast to his channel)
< 1320013653 925826 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason I have Left for signed and Right for unsigned is that the kerns can be negative or positive, but characters are only positive number
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< 1320014020 173905 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people complained that I have a "SUMMON CTHULHU" command on IRC, but now you are going to complain about a different feature of my IRC, isn't it?
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< 1320014981 524831 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb! It's so good to have you h- what am I saying.
< 1320015026 143722 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 4 days I will begin the preparations of 17-ness for you and Phantom_Hoover
< 1320015052 882783 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No you... can't become 17.
< 1320015055 573590 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not allowed.
< 1320015092 927838 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just because you have a birthday either very late or very early in the academic year
< 1320015237 112598 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To prevent it they would have to be dead. However, I see no reason to disallow becoming 17 years
< 1320015273 37846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i noticed someone else already did a prime pun
< 1320015310 634423 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did a different one
< 1320015328 851175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, semi-different
< 1320015357 848341 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Semiprime and fourth power
< 1320015373 116455 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Is 9 a semiprime?
< 1320015400 146699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no says wikipedia
< 1320015401 980357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1320015408 663624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yes says wikipedia
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< 1320015604 703677 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the Arecibo message will just become some other civilization's Wow! signal
< 1320015685 259684 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anything at all
< 1320015707 471103 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, possibly...
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< 1320015767 567197 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a better connection
< 1320015789 194531 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or should I see if I can get all the way to Kindle?
< 1320015890 783434 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb|Hovercraft: Arecibo is a bit more involved than Wow!...  but also never going to get anywhere.
< 1320015952 337616 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's recieved at all, it would be just a blip on a needle
< 1320016026 175454 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be funny if the secret to FTL travel was accidently contained in the alternative layout of the Arecibo signal
< 1320016177 331861 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why aren't we broadcasting a repeating cycle of prime numbers yet?
< 1320016209 123451 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Carl Sagan made Astrophysics appealing to poets
< 1320016288 853282 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: why?
< 1320016303 711299 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all our transmissions are just for show
< 1320016419 851665 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I said why not.
< 1320016429 218929 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: uses money, power, equipment, ...
< 1320016435 648670 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :..., has no benefit, ...
< 1320016442 396223 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: has more benefit than SETI
< 1320016452 370458 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has exactly the same (none)
< 1320016468 264955 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless the aliens are religious types who view prime numbers as evil
< 1320016476 129090 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of stupid things, doesn't mean we should do more of them
< 1320016491 606210 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also will provide a beacon for earth for when we invent faster-than-light travel and outpace our ability to communicate
< 1320016506 313214 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"when"
< 1320016520 45854 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes back under his bridge

< 1320016522 605132 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just send out prime numbers for a few billion years in anticipation for that :P
< 1320016547 722716 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With FTL travel it takes 4 years to get to Alpha Centauri
< 1320016593 855602 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'm going to switch over to DST next year.
< 1320016599 927676 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone else will just do things an hour off.
< 1320016608 669692 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than clocks changing.
< 1320016613 937812 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I could make that choice
< 1320016636 489648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hits Taneb|Hovercraft with the sledge-o-matic ======[]

< 1320016646 832344 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You can, as long as you're OK with other clocks being wrong.
< 1320016660 267073 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but other clocks are important :(
< 1320016669 770484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what part of _faster_ than light don't you understand
< 1320016689 983917 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was considering commenting on that, but thought that perhaps my grasp of physics was lacking :)
< 1320016705 616546 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, proxima centauri is 4.24 light years away
< 1320016716 186543 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reddit can enable "occupy" movements to permanently shift power from corporations to people and move the world into a new era. Here's how: (self.politics)
< 1320016716 296875 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, my hate of /r/politics has turned into a love of its new comedic format.
< 1320016719 466320 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we can get there within 4 years, we have FTL
< 1320016728 898187 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb|Hovercraft: Why not 3 seconds?
< 1320016739 524591 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that would be stupid
< 1320016756 124010 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1320016768 320918 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :'new comedic format'?
< 1320016837 887296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just open a permanent wormhole with exotic spices.
< 1320016864 766332 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, too expensive
< 1320016882 317073 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you seen the price of spices these days?
< 1320016973 701225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll just use homeopathic methods to thin them out while increasing their efficiency
< 1320017021 473255 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could work...
< 1320017024 651132 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm...
< 1320017029 237865 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been able to get decent melange in ages
< 1320017039 170502 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'd have to get one of them closed timelike curves going
< 1320017048 177782 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think IKEA sells them
< 1320017058 604118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb|Hovercraft: well i hear dmm already fixed that for us
< 1320017154 568214 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'new comedic format'?
< 1320017157 496366 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :observe:  Reddit can enable "occupy" movements to permanently shift power from corporations to people and move the world into a new era. Here's how: (self.politics)
< 1320017220 685196 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
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< 1320017359 965831 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the most number of parameters you have used for a ... <$> ... <*> ... <*> ... <*> ... function?
< 1320017374 431666 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them
< 1320017428 523892 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like how liftA2 has two (like  f <$> x <*> y) and liftA3 with three, what is the most you have used?
< 1320017502 823219 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started writing the TFM reading program and I realized I used eleven.
< 1320017557 775484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that requires the function before <$> to take that many parameters, as well...
< 1320017592 26624 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it does. It takes thirteen parameters (two of which are specified before <$> to make eleven more required)
< 1320017628 588210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a candidate for splitting things up...
< 1320017675 687344 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way the TFM format is specified it can use all of them at once.
< 1320017730 208790 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thestallmandialogues.com/
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< 1320017926 90386 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are actually physically painful to read
< 1320018046 401890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, then stop.
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< 1320018083 569594 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i cant.......
< 1320018095 113623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see.  required reading.
< 1320018177 456838 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-21-159.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1320018850 255029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so oerjan i hear that irregular webcomic is goign to start updating a regular rate... of...
< 1320018851 383064 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZERO
< 1320018852 534455 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is string theory: science, philosophy, or mathematics?
< 1320018855 32273 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
< 1320018902 589631 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320019074 913153 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, don't you think it is sad?
< 1320019083 249099 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
< 1320019084 649785 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heartless bastard
< 1320019102 481671 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crap, I'm back to Ngevd
< 1320019135 201237 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1320019271 2957 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's right,
< 1320019274 995263 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't go to Kindle
< 1320019295 588883 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kindle is reserved for when I'm, you know, on a Kindle
< 1320019477 287779 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, try /nick Taneb|Hovercraft or whatever you want
< 1320019491 790054 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah
< 1320019493 114702 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, you can renick once you ghosted the dead connection, or once it timed out
< 1320019499 950185 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Ngevd time now
< 1320019505 798366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, come on, you could just copy what I wrote
< 1320019545 81085 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net NICK :TheAstoundingVan
< 1320019551 486041 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the astounding van
< 1320019556 142546 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no, it is Ngevd time
< 1320019561 520860 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realise nicks had a maximum length
< 1320019572 301849 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :TheAstoundingVan, what was it supposed to be?
< 1320019579 674029 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway of course there is a max length
< 1320019582 343663 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should continue TheAstoundingVanDoorn
< 1320019586 18307 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine TheAstoundingVan not being the intention
< 1320019587 66736 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is right there in the irc protocol iirc
< 1320019593 328157 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably
< 1320019606 475102 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed your current nick is quite nice
< 1320019615 58456 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it moved the nick column out quite a bit
< 1320019618 262829 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is annoying
< 1320019625 583903 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have xchat style nick column)
< 1320019641 4070 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the Windows port of XChat
< 1320019648 526809 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not remember why I am using Windows
< 1320019651 300838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because, frankly it is a lot easier to read irc that way IMO)
< 1320019667 206167 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that thing on the left
< 1320019674 631 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of the one on the right
< 1320019704 102498 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :TheAstoundingVan, I'm on mixed atm. Lets see, this is on ubuntu, a freebsd box is running on the other side of the room, and my desktop is on windows 7 atm waiting for bloody stupid steam to decide it doesn't need to install .NET for the fourth time.
< 1320019726 996357 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have but one computer
< 1320019733 263704 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1320019748 682335 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, one computer that I could feasibly chat on IRC with that is definitely in my possession
< 1320019772 903430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1320019786 591814 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Kindle actually belongs to my dad
< 1320019798 530790 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the family computer is... the family computer
< 1320019808 160457 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brother's laptop is my brother's
< 1320019825 452625 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1320019828 292371 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 98SE computer doesn't have an internet connection
< 1320019835 432505 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the what....
< 1320019838 309552 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Wii is shared between me and my brother
< 1320019839 143053 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got to be kidding
< 1320019842 462252 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 98SE
< 1320019847 47057 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :....
< 1320019847 834392 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1320019874 284361 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously
< 1320019881 530148 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not turned on because it is rather loud
< 1320019887 915730 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play Lego Loco on it mainly
< 1320019889 512029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TheAstoundingVan: Upgrade it to 95.
< 1320019959 163511 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think 95 can run Lego Loco
< 1320019976 62504 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also got Rollercoaster Tycoon
< 1320020014 901934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1320020085 128201 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god
< 1320020089 631307 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't i have rollercoaster tycoon
< 1320020091 179933 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it work in wine
< 1320020105 123484 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like "sort of"
< 1320020107 697889 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1320020142 700187 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have Lego Loco?
< 1320020187 913527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is old enough to run okay in qemu I think...
< 1320020193 417869 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly
< 1320020195 321465 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so even if it doesn't work in wine
< 1320020196 209520 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could just use virtualbox
< 1320020210 823521 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was written almost entirely in assembly
< 1320020214 679368 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that too
< 1320020402 166835 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-frandom-seed=string
< 1320020402 371463 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :           This option provides a seed that GCC uses when it would otherwise
< 1320020402 443571 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :           use random numbers.  It is used to generate certain symbol names
< 1320020402 443755 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :           that have to be different in every compiled file.
< 1320020403 847716 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, seriously?
< 1320020410 670259 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc relies on random numbers not repeating over different runs?
< 1320020413 487655 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoo boy
< 1320020441 178540 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should cause some problems
< 1320020453 516833 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless the RNG is awful
< 1320020470 252011 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh?
< 1320020483 845793 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be "seed + 1"
< 1320020507 243495 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, lego Loco doesn't work on Wine
< 1320020511 737639 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sad
< 1320020517 538647 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I very sobber
< 1320020580 531898 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEITHER DOES LEGO FOOTBALL MANIA
< 1320020622 476354 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How am I going to get a simultaneous Lego, sport, and Linux fix now!
< 1320020665 515145 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NETHER DOES LEGO ALPHA TEAM :'(
< 1320020678 228073 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All my Lego games, worthless!
< 1320020697 872262 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to play with actual Lego now!
< 1320020731 630200 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait.
< 1320020737 261303 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TheAstoundingVan: other people played lego alpha team?
< 1320020753 361419 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just... how
< 1320020754 672286 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you me
< 1320020758 785051 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't much good at it
< 1320020763 464436 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320020775 660389 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1320020776 947327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ditto
< 1320020787 979919 :TheAstoundingVan!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net NICK :ettioll
< 1320020798 639919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : are you me <-- i thought we had established that already.
< 1320020808 642404 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ettioll
< 1320020812 23909 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice name actually
< 1320020814 718911 :ettioll!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott
< 1320020830 188308 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320020836 91393 :ettioll!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320020920 717250 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320020929 701424 :ettioll!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320020950 368482 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320020960 47502 :ettioll!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up, monqy
< 1320020969 339670 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im betrayd
< 1320021035 26316 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no monqy
< 1320021035 760842 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :un
< 1320021036 551297 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shutup
< 1320021038 879218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :moqny
< 1320021040 945221 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021044 21068 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021051 780898 :ettioll!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moqny, is "Elliott" an old family name for you?
< 1320021059 640736 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's why it's my first name
< 1320021062 837572 :ettioll!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, do you speak in a fake London accent?
< 1320021065 639110 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :family names go first
< 1320021087 809201 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :moqny, on Iceland they do yes
< 1320021091 334936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in the rest of the world
< 1320021106 723705 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iceland doesnt have family names
< 1320021113 972943 :ettioll!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My great-great-great grandmother was called Elliott
< 1320021122 212911 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no Vorpal UR WRONGE,
< 1320021162 944453 :ettioll!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net NICK :noqmy
< 1320021166 483772 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021166 640009 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1320021169 484793 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021190 576141 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, move to Hexham and make this even more confusing
< 1320021200 159039 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, get older before Thursday
< 1320021207 266346 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because
< 1320021214 673783 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a minute older than I was a minute ago
< 1320021220 4429 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT GOOD ENOUGH
< 1320021223 692781 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021226 449369 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021231 609328 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021233 927891 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021236 825581 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021238 479572 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021257 499998 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021263 870885 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021271 214856 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021279 971916 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021287 981065 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021291 848277 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021333 307239 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021337 152941 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021341 33988 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021350 740184 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021357 690732 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021360 162875 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021371 351614 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021372 926671 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021376 131286 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021382 639358 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021385 861853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :nomqy
< 1320021387 621086 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021388 963162 :nomqy!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021391 367753 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021391 489193 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021394 507538 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021398 960368 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021401 776685 :nomqy!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021404 387721 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021407 288182 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021408 154413 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320021415 773850 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-189.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIX PIG
< 1320021420 178813 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOO
< 1320021424 283877 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :crys
< 1320021431 67216 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sobber...
< 1320021431 382141 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-189.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D
< 1320021444 117095 :nomqy!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you FIEND
< 1320021572 645617 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HHHHIIIIIIII>>??;/, . ..   ../ /
< 1320021590 443514 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are now Pietbot's arch enemy, pikhq_
< 1320021596 947701 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you are happy
< 1320021610 936163 :nomqy!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy happy joy joy
< 1320021616 185685 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cry
< 1320021643 398085 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; ;_;
< 1320021648 357680 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ;___;
< 1320021655 200986 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they merged
< 1320021659 244861 :nomqy!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ;__;
< 1320021662 176472 :nomqy!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1320021667 120492 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ruined
< 1320021668 225423 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorey
< 1320021679 8018 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; ;__; ;___; ;_____;
< 1320021707 756198 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just always be monqy
< 1320021744 19456 :nomqy!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/  \m/ \m/  \o/ \o/
< 1320021760 125224 :nomqy!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1320021784 686922 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nomqy's painful adjustment to a name shorter than myndzi\
< 1320021855 320510 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you have a constraint solver free
< 1320021878 724580 :nomqy!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be silly, how can it be constrained and free at the same time
< 1320021916 11426 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all my constraint solver costs big money
< 1320021968 335623 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I have biggest money
< 1320022018 470124 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1320022049 936415 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moqny, I have created more esolangs than you
< 1320022054 865107 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did this happen
< 1320022065 779380 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did this happen
< 1320022070 332295 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have created more than is on my wiki page, i believe
< 1320022080 107492 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay
< 1320022170 293427 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not designed many esolangs
< 1320022213 646294 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's interesting
< 1320022231 592779 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have not designed many esolangs shame
< 1320022232 161622 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1320022288 803513 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, that might be a bit hard to parse
< 1320022294 540093 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :properly, at least
< 1320022326 367614 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luigi is a language which only I believe to be Turing-complete
< 1320022358 609056 :nomqy!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shall now proceed to design ~ 40310 esolangs at once
< 1320022363 710440 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you proven this
< 1320022367 71754 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these
< 1320022371 779105 :nomqy!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> permutations "+-<>[].,"
< 1320022371 946785 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its turing completeness
< 1320022372 633131 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["+-<>[].,","-+<>[].,","<-+>[].,","-<+>[].,","<+->[].,","+<->[].,","><-+[]....
< 1320022372 814637 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1320022379 72131 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, twice
< 1320022383 258172 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people other than you not believing in its turing completenes
< 1320022385 285834 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently neither of them count
< 1320022385 957627 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you proven that
< 1320022388 325422 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1320022395 912596 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither of the other people count
< 1320022398 407539 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you bungle the proofs or is everyone just a jerk
< 1320022408 60132 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he bungled the proofs
< 1320022409 778051 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bungled the proofs
< 1320022420 204888 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bungle, a good word
< 1320022421 704185 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I translated non-turing complete turing machines
< 1320022430 359616 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh
< 1320022443 447157 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can translate arbitrary turing machines to Luigi, but can't be bothered with long ones
< 1320022456 241482 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With lots of states
< 1320022467 195151 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :automation reasons
< 1320022487 850811 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can write a sound algorithm to perform the reduction, who needs manual translation?
< 1320022494 52529 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone finds or creates a notation for expressing Turing-Machines, I will do so
< 1320022507 407043 :nomqy!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i post general translators instead
< 1320022525 173556 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did that for Nandypants and Noryshorts
< 1320022531 651329 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which were my first published esolangs
< 1320022539 410099 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda calculus (laughs)
< 1320022543 120929 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sk calculus (laughs)
< 1320022546 737403 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck (laughs)
< 1320022549 532527 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I can translate arbitrary turing machines to Luigi, but can't be bothered with long ones
< 1320022558 56371 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you actually prove every tm can be translated though
< 1320022567 856850 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I am able to translate any one
< 1320022575 903967 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good proof
< 1320022577 839611 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just haven't bothered proving it
< 1320022617 809083 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof by i hope taneb doesn't die
< 1320022688 421961 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's simple really
< 1320022753 583443 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But annoyingly hard to describe
< 1320022764 21273 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1320022793 948548 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For each cell, you put an "N" followed by a number representing its colour
< 1320022824 265345 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for the one with the poor sod in the box, in which you put a letter representing the state of the poor sod in a box instead of the "N"
< 1320022866 57211 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you put an expand left marker at the left end of the tape and an expand right marker at the right end of the tape
< 1320022895 49015 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :These can be any characters that aren't a semicolon or used to represent a pen state or a cell colour
< 1320022904 370144 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the initial tape
< 1320022950 329746 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you put ";L;LN0;R;N0R;", assuming L and R are the expand markers
< 1320022968 791121 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 0 is the default colour
< 1320022985 829932 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now comes the tedious bit
< 1320022999 885767 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For each rule, first see if it moves left or right
< 1320023081 63900 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320023085 255522 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320023251 186302 :nomqy!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320023324 235300 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1320023339 856150 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1320023367 162866 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
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< 1320023844 785034 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sucks being a hydrogen cat
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< 1320025933 328454 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out how to use Astrolog to compute the date of Chinese New Year.
< 1320026070 57378 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is simple to do by using the Ephemeris chart and restricting everything except the Sun and Moon.
< 1320026090 431624 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is most likely to occur in January or February.
< 1320026144 174416 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that is the date you would look firts.
< 1320026147 822962 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/firts/first/
< 1320026172 92588 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The longitude for Chinese would be 120:00E
< 1320026691 945051 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-197-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense that that'd work.
< 1320026713 582476 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-197-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, Chinese holidays are on their old, lunar calendar.
< 1320026873 570607 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; it is the new moon before the sun reaches 330 degrees (also called Pisces). On the Ephemeris calendar you can see the red line for Sun and blue line for Moon (by default there are many more, but you can turn off whatever you want to omit). When the red and blue line cross is the new moon. You can pause animation and use !@#$%^&*( and -+ to advance the time. And then look the red line is to the left of the 330 degrees point, because it will
< 1320026939 14924 :nomqy!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :... because it will
< 1320026946 263958 :nomqy!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan
< 1320026975 633417 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... because it will then reach that point in a few days or a month or so.
< 1320027044 4980 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Important Note: This "Pisces" has nothing to do with the constellation of the same name; in this context, "Pisces" is just another name for 330 degrees. I prefer to work directly in degrees.)
< 1320029287 364736 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blissiness
< 1320029291 676583 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
< 1320029291 810101 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blissiness is created with bliss and busy with makes blissiness. It is now the mark into internet for the websitecreator, former librarian:) .
< 1320029291 951728 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blissiness rooted in bliss meaning not excited not the other side of excited, just in the neutral midst. Blissiness rooted in being busy and disappearing in, there is no doer and object, just a verb like there is only "singing", 'doing', 'creating' and so on '...... ing'. A realized way being without ego, just clear consciousness itsself, not the content of it thats something else. A realized one has no ego left and abide as pure consciousness. Its
< 1320029292 183254 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to tell, explain, just one knows as experience or not. The easiest way to explain is that one in the most difficult situations experience to be without ego just listening as pure consciousness with no interferention of mind itsself: sure this is not easy. Many realized let see that it happen in the world today.
< 1320029297 203308 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: recent changes = best???
< 1320029410 626621 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1320029420 600956 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes best
< 1320030402 235050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that didn't last long :P
< 1320030480 693711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently i was just 1 minute too late
< 1320030482 106736 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rest in peace
< 1320030496 836965 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cur | prev)  02:47, 31 October 2011‎ Skater (talk | contribs)‎ (931 bytes) (Requesting speedy deletion (CSD A1). (TW)) (undo)
< 1320030496 996869 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cur | prev)  02:46, 31 October 2011‎ Blissiness (talk | contribs)‎ (914 bytes) (Explanation and meaning of 'blissiness' as mark on the internet.) (Tag: possible autobiography or conflict of interest)
< 1320030497 69015 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :blissiness 2:46--3:05
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< 1320033685 178671 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you file for univorce if you are unmarried and don't like yourself anymore?
< 1320033812 506104 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How common are golf balls with plutonium?
< 1320033839 991022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the di- in divorce apparently comes from a preposition meaning apart, not two, so i think it would be a portmanteau
< 1320033860 391543 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1320033930 671601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect they are very rare.
< 1320033946 39112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you want an extremely heavy golf ball, anyhow.
< 1320033955 385483 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1320033968 275115 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just read these things somewhere.
< 1320033980 723869 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  Can you file for univorce if you are unmarried and don't like yourself anymore?
< 1320033983 193516 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :701)  Can you file for univorce if you are unmarried and don't like yourself anymore?
< 1320034112 364985 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think that's called suicide.
< 1320034173 793035 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I suppose so. But someone was trying to write something else, probably to make a joke
< 1320034326 331497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm reminded of that disembodied spirit in H2G2
< 1320034336 543937 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: someone else?
< 1320034344 622476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which apparently had done _just_ that
< 1320034991 950573 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i loved that guy
< 1320035584 951666 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1320036057 825059 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes it was Jyte claims I was looking at, I think.
< 1320036154 497774 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you played Napoleon with aces low? I think that would affect the game a lot; while most games are unaffected by making aces low (as long as it is decided before the cards are dealt, that is).
< 1320036185 924673 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatis napoleon
< 1320036211 623954 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A card game for five players.
< 1320036255 645830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some games have aces both high and low
< 1320036302 585258 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, some do.
< 1320036336 202894 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in trick taking games, aces are usually high only, and changing the rules such that aces are low won't affect anything.
< 1320036481 168436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, if only the order of ranks matters, then it's just a simple permutation
< 1320036640 84054 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Napoleon has some unusual rules, such as: the ace of spades beats everything, if five cards of the same suit are played then the two wins (if there is a two), you earn a point for a TJQKA of each suit (and if you collect all 20 without bidding 20, you lose due to the Siberian rule), etc
< 1320036785 943683 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it is your team's cards collcted that count; the team is selected by a card the declarer names, whoever holds that card is the declarer's partner, but nobody else knows who it is until the named card is played (it is possible for the declarer to name a card he holds, playing alone, and earning more points at the end)
< 1320037193 170306 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever played these kind of card game?
< 1320037273 576334 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive heard of a similar thing
< 1320038171 610353 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I make the program based on Swiss Ephemeris (not soon, though; probably later) what is it should be called????????????????????????????????
< 1320038176 864321 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :q
< 1320038470 939054 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with misspelled monqy
< 1320038479 3099 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :q is an excellent name
< 1320038516 275212 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just q by itself?
< 1320038550 28908 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1320038566 521919 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think the name has been taken
< 1320038594 237291 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still disagree however
< 1320038678 890870 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you asked for suggestions. you arent obligated to take them
< 1320038687 648562 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1320040312 522967 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You try write such a program.
< 1320040568 932783 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1320040601 408865 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1320040717 939278 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I could go to bed
< 1320040857 18499 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is string theory: science, philosophy, or mathematics?
< 1320041001 668510 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's string theory
< 1320041010 985363 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: should i change my nick back
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< 1320041022 864203 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im opinionless
< 1320041071 503654 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say yes but it is not up to me
< 1320041695 482107 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: if you're gonna be opinionless at least write pcsm for me sheesh
< 1320041720 142093 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: tup update btw, dunno if you're subscribed to tup-users
< 1320041747 306187 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :moqny, no I didn't. Doesn't affect the arch package, it is a -git package.
< 1320041765 676207 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :So unless git repo url or build/install steps change it doesn't really need changing
< 1320041768 187923 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I "didn't"? anyway I know that, I was just saying you should reinstall it
< 1320041769 708587 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another fictitious object I want to include is the "ecclesiastical moon".
< 1320041787 770632 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :moqny, "no I didn't subscribe to that list"
< 1320041789 472495 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moqny: whats pcsm :(
< 1320041815 421527 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that is possible.
< 1320041822 934151 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: purely crystalline sex monsters (it is actually packaconfigurservice manager)
< 1320041850 692756 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1320041947 354535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is that what they use to calculate easter?
< 1320042035 311323 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes.
< 1320042085 471108 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ecclesiastical moon is real it's just really black so you can't see it
< 1320042090 866501 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's dirty because nobody cares about it)
< 1320042092 649976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1320042099 65129 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swiss Ephemeris allows defining fictitious objects in external files. By default it includes the Uranians although you can add stuff.
< 1320042171 28998 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1320042209 980081 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can add planets to the solar system as well as moons to the Earth.
< 1320042241 563979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :moqny: sure they care, how would they otherwise know when to collect easter eggs?
< 1320042250 655387 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi coppro
< 1320042259 1780 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no they dont lov ie t
< 1320042261 462852 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;___;
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< 1320042944 401289 :moqny!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott
< 1320042952 633920 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd there is absolutely no justification for anyone to be up at this time ever at all.
< 1320042955 702894 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :On that note,
< 1320042957 560901 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1320042968 129459 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't sleep
< 1320042973 992607 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel awful
< 1320043927 867947 :jix!~jix@dronf.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1320045123 815978 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1320045137 337401 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a country that resembles the United Kingdom, identifiable from the grey skies and mandatory uniforms."
< 1320045137 564076 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What have we become.
< 1320045426 881880 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1320045535 176297 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: citation needed.
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< 1320046529 569698 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, if we actually end up in a dystopia, it will not be Orwellian
< 1320046536 900629 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor will it be Huxleyis
< 1320046537 910511 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1320046726 843457 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will be like that book I read once
< 1320046738 352413 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was called... Framed? Traces? something like that...
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< 1320049523 456601 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently my typing speed is 95 wpm
< 1320049542 383702 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder I can actually follow along writing notes in LaTeX
< 1320049554 598679 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is a bitch in linear algebra)
< 1320049576 163459 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn shorthand typing
< 1320049580 741044 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Save the world
< 1320049780 640568 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: lol
< 1320050119 909076 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 259 seconds
< 1320051564 592800 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went and bothered to actually look up how wpm is defined the other day
< 1320051569 349608 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out i was calculating it wrong by removing spaces
< 1320051571 394953 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net NICK :myndzi
< 1320051577 765129 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually type about 150 in bursts on irc ;)
< 1320051701 125701 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely surprised, I can certainly get much higher in bursts when I'm typing out my own thoughts than when I'm typing from text I'm reading as I go which is the standard testing method
< 1320051719 373328 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :95 is not much for english
< 1320051724 578227 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not little either
< 1320051728 307860 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not much
< 1320051757 353827 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prolly have much less
< 1320051758 850673 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 4
< 1320051762 906219 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d932d6a9.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320051766 134641 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll try
< 1320051768 111240 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what? 95 is plenty
< 1320051773 982106 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, professional plenty
< 1320051882 933241 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320051923 351042 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1320051950 736467 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i just know too many crazy people
< 1320051965 445964 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems it's like the top 0%
< 1320051971 855386 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :95
< 1320052026 966365 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320052073 735561 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Still* half-term, Ngevd?
< 1320052073 850651 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1320052101 444494 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teacher training day
< 1320052178 798855 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320052182 413734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon they'll be able to fetch and roll around
< 1320052194 621090 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems the average is 36
< 1320052503 43332 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1320052547 296841 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan! you're norwegian!
< 1320052552 879885 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you're finnish!
< 1320052566 547455 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :totta
< 1320052571 928096 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need judgements :D
< 1320052579 422851 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm neither Norwegian nor Finnish
< 1320052615 894461 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't fit in your quaint little categories
< 1320052622 88972 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can i get judgments?
< 1320052650 288513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh*, ok then
< 1320052657 554210 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a few!
< 1320052662 172067 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first can you translate   John has spoken with the boys, and Susan has spoken with the girls
< 1320052686 561064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :John har snakket med guttene, og Susan har snakket med jentene
< 1320052750 972326 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhh no determiner!
< 1320052753 336011 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems you're still doing the same thing
< 1320052755 922677 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok how about
< 1320052770 361618 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :John has spoken with every boy and Susan has spoken with every girl
< 1320052777 921605 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: same stuff, but different specifics :p
< 1320052793 533226 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION predicts exact same word order

< 1320052796 168357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :John har snakket med hver gutt og Susan har snakket med hver jente
< 1320052812 783130 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :did not expect them to align almost perfectly
< 1320052821 334375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: you can force a determiner on definite nouns by adding an adjective, btw.
< 1320052825 193096 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ionus pueroris dixit, et Susanna puellis
< 1320052839 59825 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i see
< 1320052840 545621 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1320052858 999730 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ionus omnis pueroris dixit, et Susanna omnis puellis
< 1320052876 795223 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/pueroris/pueris/
< 1320052883 550593 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: good or bad:   John har snakket med hver gutt og Susan har med hver jente
< 1320052896 885270 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: that was the old stuff
< 1320052899 884056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh i expected precisely that one from you :P
< 1320052901 544890 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ey?
< 1320052904 182377 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :)
< 1320052907 548677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat bad
< 1320052915 628374 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: basically exactly what oerjan just said
< 1320052921 268208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"har med" is an idiom meaning something else, too
< 1320052928 497178 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok and without "har"?
< 1320052932 322654 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the right side
< 1320052936 861758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's ok
< 1320052946 606154 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so you speak like i need to you
< 1320052952 540457 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok lets get to the real questions :)
< 1320052963 313749 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yay calibration)
< 1320052982 947970 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :John har snakket med hver gutt og Susan hver jente
< 1320053012 228661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, mostly
< 1320053021 647519 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to mean the same as "John har snakket med hver gutt og Susan har snakket med hver jente"  ?
< 1320053023 806024 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just gonna watch this and leave just before i'm needed (unless one was enough)
< 1320053029 589126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1320053034 757716 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :)
< 1320053060 663360 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :John har snakket med hver gutt og Susan med jente
< 1320053065 447110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1320053119 461854 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :last one
< 1320053124 949269 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :John har snakket med hver gutt og Susan jente
< 1320053137 505178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still awful
< 1320053141 316088 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you sir!
< 1320053151 677186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw
< 1320053153 763683 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you for being a perfect speaker of norwegian :D
< 1320053183 563279 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you willing? :x
< 1320053215 780640 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should probably talk to Deewiant or fizzie, i tend to find everything correct
< 1320053219 455873 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me of something I said once, augur
< 1320053226 461261 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I need someone who's willing."
< 1320053226 533399 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: :P
< 1320053232 972449 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think fizzie was my last informant anyway
< 1320053241 247187 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think you gave me good judgments too, oklopol!
< 1320053272 646539 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1320053274 641304 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool stuff
< 1320053278 754732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol thinks äkkyllä sitä toikolassa sounds correct
< 1320053279 763210 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the real reason i have to go is
< 1320053281 718883 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to go
< 1320053289 34265 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: aww ok
< 1320053296 106125 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rapes oklopol farewell

< 1320053303 466423 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: �kky is not a word i know
< 1320053329 952823 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :toikola is obviously a place, that means to hit someone with an �kky in toivola
< 1320053339 343863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1320053350 91526 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm oerjan
< 1320053352 847716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably painful
< 1320053507 469049 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interesting part is where the allative form of �kky is �kkyll�, it would usually be �kyll�
< 1320053581 350077 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a hunch they do that in some dialect here
< 1320053592 848197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't quite got those consonant modifications pat down yet.
< 1320053594 732936 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't really speak in any dialect
< 1320053635 102407 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for using two words that are rare outside turku which i haven't been able to get rid of
< 1320053645 730894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i actually had this sort of hunch the kk was wrong there
< 1320053663 225373 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wanna give my paper draft a read through, up to but not including section 3? :D
< 1320053671 636212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1320053674 646308 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1320053688 114035 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1320053689 959565 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1320053700 948891 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye!
< 1320053878 634914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1320054175 979155 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
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< 1320054859 334925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320055913 699459 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is possible to write a quine in Brook, Brook is more computationally powerful than a linear-bounded automaton
< 1320055923 236076 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ Taneb's conjecture
< 1320056004 180952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if the conclusion is true, but i don't think that's a sound argument...
< 1320056420 515272 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is clear that the computational power of Brook is at least that of a Linear Bounded Automaton
< 1320056444 340229 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As indeed it is, if one discounts the commands 'c' and 'C'
< 1320056856 118060 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, with the commands 'c' and 'C', if a quine is possible an infinite loop is possible
< 1320056897 260219 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the greatest of arguments, I'll admit
< 1320057199 883784 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d932d6a9.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1320057206 129464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds better
< 1320057377 425585 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just put my surname into Wolfram Alpha, because I'm bored
< 1320057402 315165 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram Alpha interpreted it as two words
< 1320057408 870650 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which are both place names
< 1320057482 271706 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a better result than my friend's surname
< 1320057487 523030 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which redirects to "Horse"
< 1320057661 458584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boringly enough, WA interprets my surname as a surname :P
< 1320057669 408016 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1320057717 325022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and claims 1 in 28409 americans have it
< 1320057752 669049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 9509 people
< 1320057964 155788 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game
< 1320058041 43242 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320058049 893424 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The third most common first name for my surname is apparently Jan
< 1320058054 861805 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fourth is Heinz
< 1320058060 763023 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fifth is Theodore
< 1320058210 198168 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :W|A redirects my surname into a location; Kalajoki, North Ostrobothnia, population 9278.
< 1320058222 366095 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Notable people born in Kalajoki: (none known)"
< 1320058225 192348 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most useful box.
< 1320058239 134739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are your ancestors from there?
< 1320058244 535767 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1320058262 438158 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ancestors are from a town near Utrecht, the Netherlands
< 1320058264 941150 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're from pretty much the opposite side of the country.
< 1320058301 208237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1320058455 117486 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Other tips for using Wolfram|Alpha: You can only get answers about objective facts. Try "highest mountain", not "most beautiful painting".
< 1320058475 776454 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"most beautiful painting" ends up giving a comparison table between to periodical publications, Beautiful and Painting.
< 1320058500 232831 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Only what is known is known to Wolfram|Alpha
< 1320058501 952850 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask "how many men in Mauritania", not "how many monsters in Loch Ness""
< 1320058516 351790 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, surely the most beautiful painting is one of Stephen Wolfram.
< 1320058555 213536 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I ask the latter. "Input interpretation: How many Loch Ness monsters are there?" "Result: 0 (For the most part, the scientific community considers evidence of the existence of such creatures to be a combination of misidentification and deliberate hoaxes.)"
< 1320058731 629019 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can type in "edge detect Abraham Lincoln image with radius 7" into W|A, and it will do input interpretation: EdgeDetect[ [Abraham Lincoln | Image], 7 (radius) ] and give the resulting image.
< 1320058844 428291 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, if you ask it to "edge detect Abraham Lincoln" and don't mention the image, it will compare Abraham Lincoln and Edge, the wrestler.
< 1320058878 355660 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Edge, the U2 member?
< 1320058880 527054 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dissapointing
< 1320058931 837592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed.
< 1320058960 977857 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does it tell you who would win in a fight?
< 1320058979 815997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume you were thinking of http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/2049.html
< 1320058984 52822 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: If you ask it to "edge detect the edge image", it will edge-detect an image of the U2 guitarist.
< 1320059007 561705 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes I was
< 1320059056 623066 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1320059192 661627 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked it about "who would win in a fight" in general, but it just produced a dictionary-ish definition for the word "fight".
< 1320059228 924372 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, now I've got Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny
< 1320059685 948171 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PART :#esoteric
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< 1320061304 839491 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do I set myself as a postgres user?
< 1320061387 305224 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind I think I've got it.
< 1320061553 195410 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh what
< 1320061561 277689 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran sudo -u postgres createdb db
< 1320061571 409178 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :could not change directory to "/home/adam/scripts/repos/aioseo/aiofront"
< 1320061586 535772 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no db file, and now I try to run it again it says the db already exists.
< 1320062286 214830 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind I think I got it.
< 1320062713 343006 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/win 20
< 1320063058 486452 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1320063776 750216 :Nisstyre!~yours@infocalypse-net.info QUIT :*.net *.split
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< 1320067712 905153 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1320067767 172923 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yello(w).
< 1320068270 32333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
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< 1320068430 777975 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now have Banksy as my wallpaper
< 1320068452 734545 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be precise, a work by Banksy 
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< 1320070296 427456 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
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< 1320071337 581757 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the protests in London are bring down the corrupt capalist church
< 1320071528 805270 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaeh
< 1320071593 954442 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :corrupt protestant brainwashing corporations, man.
< 1320071632 267068 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bring down this theocratic tyranny
< 1320071653 865897 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320071996 222372 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320072034 268917 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear
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< 1320072210 111294 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320072268 128159 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1320073260 75765 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Singing one song to the tune of another" does not seem to be a Wikipedia article
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< 1320073358 174671 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320073602 594478 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE894D7.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320073916 53060 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I regret introducing my friend to the Crazy World of Arthur Brown
< 1320074016 624933 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320075738 797868 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
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< 1320076701 313573 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320076922 221624 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320078762 533621 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1320078763 668631 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1320078765 853749 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you read
< 1320078768 521947 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :226)  My quotes are boring
< 1320078768 595530 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me
< 1320078783 173935 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh damn, I was counting on the connection having dropped.
< 1320078786 331081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
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< 1320080323 136548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523\unfoog
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< 1320082355 708999 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, he
< 1320082358 545328 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh*
< 1320082360 616230 :aptennap!d9795522@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.121.85.34 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1320085980 174145 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320086127 771137 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy australian mailman mailing list reminders day
< 1320086645 413654 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:25:23:  apparently my typing speed is 95 wpm
< 1320086648 230050 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: god you're slow
< 1320086679 469143 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:02:48:  oklopol: what? 95 is plenty
< 1320086679 664744 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:02:53:  like, professional plenty
< 1320086679 774928 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :professional slow
< 1320086702 764732 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  I'm neither Norwegian nor Finnish   I don't fit in your quaint little categories
< 1320086705 464847 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :702)  I'm neither Norwegian nor Finnish   I don't fit in your quaint little categories
< 1320086798 239479 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: SYN
< 1320086826 741623 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, professional slow typist?
< 1320086844 968370 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1320087041 927765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320087063 283938 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320087091 207307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523\unfoog
< 1320087301 270059 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320087405 265706 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: oh dear
< 1320087417 146945 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/null/nethack time!
< 1320087422 807768 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott\unfoog
< 1320087424 166096 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION imposter

< 1320087430 352503 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, ais523\unfoog is an op now
< 1320087431 753076 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck
< 1320087449 779915 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_czxTedXpc
< 1320087457 627567 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :255 million... how... what...
< 1320087461 469663 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, /dev/null/nethack makes less than zero sense, as a name
< 1320087470 940968 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott\unfoog: indeed, I didn't name it
< 1320087475 58146 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's thigh massage video!
< 1320088240 422737 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott\unfoog, the worldwide interest in thigh massage is not that high!
< 1320088252 270262 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Wow, I've been doing it all wrong.
< 1320088256 336862 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Life, that is.
< 1320088259 81025 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was completely unaware.
< 1320088269 429361 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Anyway, it's not just thigh massage.
< 1320088272 395374 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's thigh massage VIDEO.
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< 1320089085 94486 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :plenty of slow
< 1320089092 334541 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in his typing
< 1320089155 252615 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320089287 839555 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know a decent x86 emulator for people without fancy virtualising CPUs that doesn't taint your kernel with TAINT_CRAP like VirtualBox does
< 1320089293 611476 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(qemu does not count as decent for reasons of being so fucking slow)
< 1320089380 350498 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320089441 186219 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1320089461 646421 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-197-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, VMware only does tainting from being proprietary.
< 1320089465 284110 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320089513 478683 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I... suppose that could work :P
< 1320089523 913448 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Is VMware actually decent these days
< 1320089552 816707 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the package is out of date, so I won't bother :P
< 1320089583 354739 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: OH WELL, VirtualBox it is.
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< 1320089622 346279 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Have I mentioned that Kitten is probably going to happen soonish.
< 1320089709 823232 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sighh, gpasswd -G vboxusers elliott; modprobe vboxdrv vboxnetflt.
< 1320089817 693339 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott\unfoog: wow that nick is annoying given you aren't in unfoog
< 1320089828 530538 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523\unfoog: oh dear
< 1320089828 811663 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : /dev/null/nethack time!
< 1320089828 883942 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* You are now known as elliott\unfoog
< 1320089828 884107 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* elliott\unfoog imposter
< 1320089828 884214 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : wait, ais523\unfoog is an op now
< 1320089829 209589 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : fuck
< 1320089850 167988 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have determined that this nick has some kind of special power which stops me from being kicked :P
< 1320089850 975092 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely having a misleading nick isn't a channel offence, but a server offence?
< 1320089866 772145 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, maybe I can get K-lined over it?? :P
< 1320089918 595791 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just sent a verbal patch for a /dev/null bug; seems krystal had added field to a structure /after/ the struct-hack field
< 1320089931 323308 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is one of the weirder mistakes to make in C that I've seen
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< 1320089999 617248 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: struct-hack field?
< 1320090014 313088 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott\unfoog: you know the struct-hack, right?
< 1320090026 706570 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you put a length-0/length-1/length-MAXINT/length-nullstring array at the end of a struct
< 1320090026 783640 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope :) well I vaguely recall /something/
< 1320090030 724812 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1320090031 315951 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then allocate it to the size you actually want
< 1320090044 417110 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding fields after that one is obviously not going to work very well
< 1320090045 331340 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(length-nullstring is C99 and isn't a hack)
< 1320090048 362273 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1320090048 961703 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's officially supported)
< 1320090055 165010 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "the struct hack" is the name for the technique
< 1320090061 888373 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C99's length-nullstring is just legalizing it
< 1320090085 177732 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :length-0 is GNU; length-MAXINT I don't believe anyone actually uses but it's been suggested that it fits the letter of the standard better than length-1
< 1320090086 174735 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I disagree :P but ok
< 1320090097 338349 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do
< 1320090103 635596 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(){int foo[MAXINT];}
< 1320090107 353655 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually internal-errors gcc
< 1320090190 928716 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1320090193 253815 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's hilarious
< 1320090198 272630 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's INT_MAX
< 1320090222 870274 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said MAXINT :P
< 1320090229 441682 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, gcc does not like too-big arrays on the stack.
< 1320090242 877875 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called MAXINT except in C
< 1320090303 797694 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/stdin: In function ‘main’:
< 1320090305 160066 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/stdin:2: error: size of array ‘foo’ is too large
< 1320090306 658488 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lies
< 1320090367 962040 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: it did a couple of years ago, anyway
< 1320090372 804543 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prseumably somebody noticed
< 1320090392 429229 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, the error message looks a lot like they're specifically checking for implausibly large arrays
< 1320090486 366402 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo 'int main(){int foo[1234567890123456789];}' | gcc -x c /dev/stdin && ./a.out # compiles and runs
< 1320090534 865806 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Nice
< 1320090540 480228 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That ... probably overflows?
< 1320090563 734981 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: Undo all this VirtualBox shit and remove Qt once you're done with it.
< 1320090564 345789 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo 'int main(){int foo[12345678901234567890];}' | gcc -x c /dev/stdin
< 1320090564 418238 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/stdin: In function ‘main’:
< 1320090564 418414 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/stdin:1:20: warning: integer constant is so large that it is unsigned [enabled by default]
< 1320090567 838702 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/stdin:1:1: warning: this decimal constant is unsigned only in ISO C90 [enabled by default]
< 1320090571 336336 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/stdin:1:16: error: size of array ‘foo’ is too large
< 1320090607 182937 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[enabled by default]"?
< 1320090618 541163 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some sort of indication of warnings that appear even without -Wall nowadays?
< 1320090625 741636 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1320090625 963097 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently!
< 1320090628 546951 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: it tells you what flag enables what warning nowadays
< 1320090631 235486 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can disable them
< 1320090682 393539 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish you didn't have to login-cycle to get new groups
< 1320090834 813932 :elliott\unfoog!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1320090849 10791 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320091173 965748 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, annoying that syslinux doesn't do jsf.
< 1320091175 694722 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jfs.
< 1320091402 4437 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, lilo is actually maintained now.
< 1320091545 144976 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's okay
< 1320091826 209445 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but is it....
< 1320091861 743860 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay? that's what i said
< 1320091887 330783 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oho,e
< 1320091890 355778 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you mistaking me for someone who occasionally says something that makes sense or what is this all about
< 1320091898 481560 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You're wrong btw
< 1320091902 494585 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is
< 1320091904 904843 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i checked
< 1320091908 95386 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is he......
< 1320091916 610074 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is
< 1320091923 293183 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1320091928 269521 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1320091929 360166 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he
< 1320091932 289786 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1320091933 104784 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is
< 1320091960 389197 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1320091961 84323 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is
< 1320091961 986121 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he......
< 1320091980 517018 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ you're making me doubt myself
< 1320091987 738318 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too :(
< 1320091998 573740 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1320092030 218386 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made the mostest weirdest food
< 1320092056 486061 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whate is it
< 1320092103 455304 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's stuff and then an egg on top that's almost coagulated but not quite and looks a bit like ghost vomit
< 1320092124 708173 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1320092128 676439 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it made of......
< 1320092135 139207 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :egg
< 1320092171 24807 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw what does ghost vomit look like...
< 1320092194 607289 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well have you ever seen an egg that's almost coagulated but not quite?
< 1320092221 561748 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently ghost vomit is a band name
< 1320092224 223568 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1320092231 571632 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what
< 1320092232 907750 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1320092233 232931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i can't use it
< 1320092233 802061 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1320092234 621184 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1320092246 737621 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.myspace.com/ghostvomitband
< 1320092247 114328 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.myspace.com/ghostvomitmusic
< 1320092250 696469 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are at least two band scalled ghost vomit
< 1320092260 198091 :NihilistDandy!~ND@stu-170-155-171-184.champlain.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320092276 642223 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metal / Psychedelic / Punk
< 1320092284 721188 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Genre: Ambient / Healing & EasyListening / Melodramatic Popular Song
< 1320092291 102510 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghost vomit
< 1320092294 816043 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...healing?
< 1320092300 283427 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :melodramatic popular song
< 1320092317 808135 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :h...ealing?
< 1320092324 81682 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeling
< 1320092530 417663 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sexual healing
< 1320093111 797114 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if anyone ever comes up with a use for the internet
< 1320093138 694371 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1320093289 10116 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e2c4.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320093303 21653 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or clothes
< 1320093312 531065 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a clothe
< 1320093328 456486 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :touche
< 1320093338 190509 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :moare like
< 1320093338 835556 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :douche?
< 1320093341 638228 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: You're wrong btw <-- wrt what?
< 1320093355 240426 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wrt /usr/bin/env being a problem
< 1320093356 82196 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of what use are touches
< 1320093377 182213 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh? Well seeing stuff like #!/usr/bin/env perl isn't all that uncommon
< 1320093378 477399 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :touching is very important
< 1320093394 358685 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, mostly because perl is in /usr/local/bin on freebsd for example
< 1320093397 395083 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: indeed, and making it work does not at all rely on having a /usr/bin/env file
< 1320093406 594201 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1320093415 500260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess #!perl might work, no idea
< 1320093423 806521 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :binfmt_misc -> add magic "#!/usr/bin/env"
< 1320093427 252069 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and magic "#! /usr/bin/env"
< 1320093429 285604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1320093433 456973 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :write trivial program to read executable name after it, execute from path
< 1320093434 332259 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :job done
< 1320093448 421458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why didn't they do this for /bin/sh then btw in nixos?
< 1320093457 275931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably they just didn't think of it
< 1320093460 764334 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1320093476 317686 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: although having a real /bin/sh is useful
< 1320093479 80259 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can do init=/bin/sh
< 1320093482 987787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah
< 1320093492 247253 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could just have that on the initramfs?
< 1320093494 319166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, #!/bin/bash is fairly common too
< 1320093495 838942 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not on the real fs
< 1320093499 48085 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah but that's a bug
< 1320093506 496261 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually /bin/sh is a bug too but ubiquitous, so
< 1320093506 568586 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not if the script is bash specific
< 1320093511 411262 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no
< 1320093512 425165 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bug
< 1320093515 689837 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so what should it do instead
< 1320093516 310784 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/usr/bin/env bash is not a bug
< 1320093518 830717 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/bash is a bug
< 1320093520 873325 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320093521 814854 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1320093532 61886 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I believe bash is in /usr/bin in debian/ubuntu
< 1320093547 648287 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess /bin/sh is OK because /usr might not exist yet
< 1320093549 619963 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well afaik /usr/bin/env is not handled on nixos
< 1320093552 247362 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but /bin/bash isn't
< 1320093554 32228 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :arvid@dragon ~ $ file /bin/bash
< 1320093554 188483 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/bash: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, stripped
< 1320093558 613417 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a ubuntu system
< 1320093558 820685 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's a nixos bug
< 1320093569 66307 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, go suggest your solution to them
< 1320093583 316316 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, i'd prefer making my own thing instead, they suck
< 1320093593 14894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, because of the c++ thingy? yeah
< 1320093614 760767 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes; also every other way in which it differs from kitten
< 1320093634 636064 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, like actually being available today?
< 1320093641 349493 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1320093714 626799 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how hard writing a binfmt is
< 1320093720 200920 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be nice not to have to rely on binfmt_misc for it
< 1320093785 910679 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320093826 746684 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-197-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The *POSIX* way to do it is, of course, "command -v bash > /dev/null && bash <<_EOF [...] _EOF"
< 1320093829 911034 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-197-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1320093849 38113 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is "command"
< 1320093857 206471 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never used that in my life
< 1320093862 250140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's the opposite of builtin
< 1320093881 522211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: anyway fuck that :p
< 1320093933 926221 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Anyway, you still haven't woken Gregor up. I'm disappointed.
< 1320094094 210790 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my God I forgot how much unionfs/aufs drama there is.
< 1320094103 322108 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.unionfs.org/ ;; this guy registered a domain literally just to tell people how much better aufs is.
< 1320094883 930793 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :....
< 1320094895 588775 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is the difference in functionality=
< 1320094898 435133 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/
< 1320094915 431019 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the MIME type text/csv or text/x-csv?
< 1320094917 462466 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask that guy :P
< 1320094927 844131 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway unionfs is in vanilla isn't it?
< 1320094930 355693 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma-separated_values
< 1320094943 317626 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, I don't think so.
< 1320094952 672901 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1320094952 912213 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, what is up with the \unfoog? I saw elliott having that a while ago
< 1320094958 800631 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: elliott was lying
< 1320094960 123903 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D
< 1320094961 881250 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a NetHack tournament clan
< 1320094968 687150 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see
< 1320094970 897598 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: I can use whatever nick I want :{
< 1320094975 123465 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd mention its channel, but it's German-speaking
< 1320094996 689914 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, so is there a major nethack tournament atm?
< 1320095004 215785 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1320095010 858374 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one?
< 1320095024 871496 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: /dev/null/nethack
< 1320095025 456601 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/null/nethack
< 1320095030 207215 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah...
< 1320095031 162391 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/the/ NetHack tournament
< 1320095036 285812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1320095044 490386 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just didn't remember what time of year it usually ran at
< 1320095052 449549 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, also how do clans even make sense for nethack?
< 1320095066 77858 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a collection of individual players
< 1320095071 174133 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mostly to make a trashtalk opportunity
< 1320095074 185773 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1320095081 646642 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clan EIT sucks, etc
< 1320095088 541788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1320095095 804753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, so anyone ascended yet this year?
< 1320095105 52800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and when did it start)
< 1320095121 74995 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts in a few hours
< 1320095130 179355 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:04]  &time
< 1320095131 28560 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, quite hard to have ascended then already
< 1320095131 600068 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:04]  The time remaining until the 2011 Tournament begins is '00-00-00:09-55-10'
< 1320095138 534607 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 10 hours
< 1320095144 435991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a strange date format that is...
< 1320095148 422047 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ascends ahead of time

< 1320095148 819463 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, indeed
< 1320095163 738982 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: More importantly, what an odd bot prefi.
< 1320095164 235614 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x.
< 1320095181 18646 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1320095291 548686 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, the oracle bot is not in #nethack, where is it?
< 1320095295 9621 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, it feels weird to be making directories from a Perl script
< 1320095297 531564 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: #devnull_nethack
< 1320095300 204799 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1320095308 811811 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the channel that's really quiet most of the year
< 1320095312 279664 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : wow, it feels weird to be making directories from a Perl script
< 1320095313 145583 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1320095318 170202 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but moderately active in October and really active in November
< 1320095331 771194 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: basically, I'm trying to run a script I ran last year
< 1320095351 95734 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the input format is different, being a gmail account rather than a tarball containing a directory per student
< 1320095361 67650 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm doing it mathematician-style, and reducing it to a problem I've already solved ;)
< 1320095389 605086 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, well, it is last October today.
< 1320095412 58290 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, and the tournament lasts all November, in the wrong timezone
< 1320095430 464084 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, which one do they use?
< 1320095444 174493 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the US ones
< 1320095450 165050 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whichever one makes it start in 9 hours 50 minutes
< 1320095454 276878 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway isn't US going back from DST like in a few weeks? Or did it do it a few weeks ago?
< 1320095479 216589 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, in which we discover that the tournament setup scripts only work on openBSD 4.8
< 1320095484 552518 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like now is a good time to say: Fuck DST.
< 1320095486 874703 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would explain why there's such a high density of BSD servers there
< 1320095488 430415 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, ... ouch
< 1320095496 62294 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... how?
< 1320095503 953471 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: 4.8 is pretty recent...
< 1320095505 710573 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they're all VMs anyway
< 1320095515 295707 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they rewrote them a year ago and didn't make them portable?
< 1320095518 503039 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: apparently they were updated from last year, when they worked on 4.6 specifically
< 1320095522 917302 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1320095532 861027 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: ...which was a year before 4.,8
< 1320095536 230046 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they just fix them every year? :P
< 1320095561 456408 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so
< 1320095566 381532 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is /dev/null we're talking about
< 1320095577 315025 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you stop being incredulous after a while
< 1320095583 670776 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just assume the correct answer is the least sensible one
< 1320095614 883230 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, I really want to see these scripts now. Are they public?
< 1320095621 434650 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear I'm going to get quoted again, aren't I?
< 1320095627 302453 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no; the game modifications are, but the scripts aren't
< 1320095631 454731 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1320095634 573001 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think just because krystal is too lazy to put them online
< 1320095638 48770 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1320095651 519405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if it was me, I wouldn't want to put such a broken script online
< 1320095668 151894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, what modifications are used btw? menucolour and so on I presume?
< 1320095674 853748 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nethack.devnull.net/bragging/index.php
< 1320095677 876419 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: pro web serving
< 1320095703 32141 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, that link?
< 1320095711 222078 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been broken in various random ways for about three years now, not always consistent ones
< 1320095718 557228 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1320095722 19737 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: it's showing phpbb3 source code
< 1320095723 226435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, and he hasn't fixed it?
< 1320095727 811840 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, I haven't seen /that/ one before
< 1320095730 643779 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just clicked the link
< 1320095737 719444 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, report the bug?
< 1320095743 974656 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :				AND ug.user_id = ' . $user->data['user_id'] . '
< 1320095748 875212 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not a high priority right now…
< 1320095752 565881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay
< 1320095754 102470 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :phpbb, you so reassuring.
< 1320095757 37613 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's not SQL injection, because it's plain-text
< 1320095772 121117 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it /looks/ like PHP, nothing's actually executing it
< 1320095772 659600 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1320095773 178726 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: you're implying they use parametrised queries in every case except this
< 1320095773 539356 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least config.php is read-protected
< 1320095779 168721 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see
< 1320095784 976311 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just commenting on the source it was showing :P
< 1320095795 962365 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$l_total_user_s = ($total_users == 0) ? 'TOTAL_USERS_ZERO' : 'TOTAL_USERS_OTHER';
< 1320095800 279287 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that still looks unsafe
< 1320095803 832526 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quotes there are worrying me
< 1320095821 111875 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it isn't
< 1320095824 118499 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because user_id will be integral
< 1320095843 951543 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1320095855 593075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, depends on the source of $user->data
< 1320095863 945063 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just hope it isn't straight from a cookie
< 1320095864 907821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such
< 1320095888 147917 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure someone would have noticed an exploit THAT obvious.
< 1320095904 747587 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$user->session_begin();
< 1320095908 198202 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1320095912 251196 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so session data
< 1320095927 36840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that would require analysing a lot of the stuff to figure that out
< 1320095951 547568 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :session data is typically not user-controllable, although it's hard to know
< 1320095958 202824 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1320095972 537526 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, you would have to check every point it was accessed in the system to figure it out
< 1320095997 232303 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: your ability to randomly make obvious comments in IRC as if they were profound is not a particularly useful one
< 1320096010 55219 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, very true.
< 1320096044 112788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, I actually didn't intend doing that
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< 1320097987 436481 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's this for a CSV file: 2B!$8B!$7B!$9B!$3B!$4B!$5B!$6
< 1320097997 445255 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I interpret "B!$" as ","?
< 1320098012 840477 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least nobody submitted a PDF of the lecture notes this time
< 1320098273 341527 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe they did, my script probably wouldn't have tried to parse it
< 1320098327 766022 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :## Message from Gmail Team  has unrecognised subject 'Customize Gmail with colors and themes'
< 1320098341 73051 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least my script's spam filter is working decently
< 1320098399 589348 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, I think I'm going to have to write a parser.
< 1320098413 43288 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone write my parser for me.
< 1320098414 483174 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote one last night, for Anarchy
< 1320098421 167571 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, umm, I can now parse Anarchy, yay
< 1320098426 388250 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, the subset I'm working on first
< 1320098430 297965 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, typechecking is the hard part
< 1320098443 896802 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this entire compiler is going to suck, as Anarchy is the only sensible language to write it in and I have to bootstrap somehow
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< 1320098498 142823 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One day in September of 2011 — though I'm not sure precisely which one — marked Befunge-93's 18th birthday. That means that Befunge is now old enough to drink in its native land of Canada. To celebrate this, I thought I'd get Befunge-93 drunk to see what would happen."
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< 1320098520 283667 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, right?
< 1320098530 556199 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep; he has a new esolang out
< 1320098530 924294 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't actually outright state that, nor does it logically imply that
< 1320098539 591765 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really, could it really be anyone else?
< 1320098566 918085 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He should have more time in the day and more patience for dealing with idiots so he could come here again.
< 1320098614 968774 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, someone accidentally did part of atehwa's Underload assignment in ():^
< 1320098622 118695 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: be proud
< 1320098642 535388 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: shouldn't that be "oerjan: be proud"? he did the reduction
< 1320098650 322683 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The esolang in question: http://catseye.tc/projects/flobnar/
< 1320098651 639029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you made the language :P
< 1320098663 662834 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I assumed anyone even vaguely interested would be able to find out
< 1320098665 773964 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/out/it/
< 1320098681 68965 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :".falderal"?
< 1320098690 221760 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: http://catseye.tc/projects/falderal/
< 1320098693 161139 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'd rather make it easy for people when there's almost no additional effort on my part involved :-P
< 1320098756 802149 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: oh wow, it keeps funge-98 style bounding boxes
< 1320098762 191633 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chris why
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< 1320098801 575086 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure I like the built-in orientation of things like /
< 1320098848 909863 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, did I ever put Shove on the wiki?
< 1320098855 472512 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also a pseudo-functional 2D language
< 1320098864 593005 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Shove
< 1320098866 301811 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1320098905 360718 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flobnar is prettier than Befunge-93, visually.
< 1320098996 54520 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, it isn't just a spec, but a literate test suite
< 1320099000 143262 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite an interesting idea, actually
< 1320099014 817441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The spec is http://catseye.tc/projects/flobnar/src/Flobnar.hs :P
< 1320099183 213515 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flobnar is strict, right? It doesn't actually say that, but it implies it, and it's really relevant with the number of side-effects going on
< 1320099213 128814 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The `/` term evaluates whatever is to the north of it (and we call that
< 1320099213 293017 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It evaluates to the quotient of dividing /a/ by /b/."
< 1320099220 43225 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's strict semantics.
< 1320099223 121093 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1320099226 801064 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking xchat
< 1320099235 325936 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The `/` term evaluates whatever is to the north of it (and we call that
< 1320099235 482145 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/a/), then evaluates whatever is to the south of it (and we call that /b/).
< 1320099235 554345 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It evaluates to the quotient of dividing /a/ by /b/.
< 1320099235 554507 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1320099404 981721 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, apparently Emacs understands the encoding on that "CSV" file as really mapping B!$ to ,
< 1320099410 963063 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be some weird unusual encoding
< 1320099430 422618 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask emacs what encoding it is
< 1320099460 271252 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot, but it abbreviated it to "J"
< 1320099466 84415 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm guessing Shift-JIS or a variant thereof
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< 1320099490 302788 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, dunno about that but ok
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< 1320099555 932125 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, bleh, why does Emacs not recognise utf-9 as a valid coding system name?
< 1320099596 945603 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I finally figured out what the command to save a file in a different encoding is: set-buffer-file-coding-system
< 1320099602 616988 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd always been accessing it via the menus up to now
< 1320099648 22263 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coding system for saving this buffer:
< 1320099649 278718 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :  J -- iso-2022-7bit-unix
< 1320099650 789116 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now we know
< 1320099699 973750 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and apparently it's C-x RET f, which is even better than trying to type the name
< 1320099806 151703 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rmdir [0-9]*

< 1320099811 182119 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a weird mistake to make…
< 1320099837 816510 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, has a different meaning in regex and wildmat, and both would match the set of files I wanted (in the case of a regex, if properly anchored)
< 1320099842 502813 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*set of directories
< 1320099872 75378 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the wildest mat.
< 1320099888 290325 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maaaan, it is ridiculous how much I do not want to write a parser.
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< 1320099979 718523 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nixos.org/patchelf.html
< 1320099981 23915 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, brilliant
< 1320100050 837929 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh for fuck's sake
< 1320100055 382127 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had to be written in C++ didn't it
< 1320100065 815681 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate you, Nix guys, hate you
< 1320100135 256997 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what insane situation are you in that makes you want to change those paths on ELF files?
< 1320100245 454213 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: a situation in which the RPATH of a proprietary executable is broken
< 1320100253 269154 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that is pretty insane
< 1320100264 939643 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: no, it's not
< 1320100275 687023 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or: when the ELF interpreter path of a proprietary executable is broken
< 1320100286 174105 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, that the executable is wrong
< 1320100287 823566 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :propritary executables? whats that
< 1320100296 550498 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely such things should have standardised values, as it makes no sense to do it otherwise?
< 1320100309 461631 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: binaries that you can't recompile for legal or technical reasons, and also that you didn't write
< 1320100320 339471 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: what if your libraries aren't in /lib:/usr/lib:/usr/local/lib?
< 1320100322 52460 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy
< 1320100334 345589 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in NixOS, they're in /nix/store/sd8fusd9f35890uefd0wj90-libfoo-3.0/lib
< 1320100334 697704 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: then why aren't they there?
< 1320100342 804736 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and /nix/store/sdf09usdf0q934uasdn-libbar-495/lib
< 1320100352 639224 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: because that breaks all the key properties of Nix?
< 1320100359 476867 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and any similar system?
< 1320100379 511913 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Chromium's New Tab page has been remodeled. Switch between sections by clicking these labels. Chrome will remember your preference for next time. _Learn more_"
< 1320100423 223217 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, a) why are they constantly changing the interface for no good reason, it's as bad as firefox, b) I don't care about either the new or old version, c) why does the mouse form a text selection cursor when I move the mouse pointer over the popup yet I can't select the text to copy-and-paste it so I had to retype all that?
< 1320100444 872717 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b) sounds more like your problem than Chromium's
< 1320100452 613884 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes
< 1320100461 618621 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish my new tab page could be blank
< 1320100464 461688 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, unless you think a UI update should be completely silent and not offer any kind of help at all to confuse people as much as possible
< 1320100469 540470 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy new tab pages make me sad
< 1320100486 727437 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also wish I could control autocomplete
< 1320100497 181596 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-197-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) is because the browser devs seem to think that change is good, even when it's just change for the sake of change.
< 1320100513 926298 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why is gmail telling me about changes to Google Buzz when this is a single-use account that hasn't used it ever?
< 1320100524 170929 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :changes = it's being shut down
< 1320100539 390189 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think it's hilarious that Microsoft copies OS X and Linux even when they're full of bad rather than good ideas
< 1320100560 382034 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not actually more than vaguely related, but I'm in a non sequitur sort of mood)
< 1320100597 69836 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why does Chromium switch to a new tab when I control-click it?
< 1320100603 902895 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that completely defeats half the point of control-clicking
< 1320100615 887572 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control-click what?
< 1320100638 831431 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, middle-click
< 1320100639 248629 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: ?
< 1320100643 237874 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Middle-click what?
< 1320100645 287238 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a link
< 1320100651 957517 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: WFM
< 1320100658 827168 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're doing something wrong
< 1320100659 176400 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use control-click rather than middle click normally as middle-clicking is awkward on a touchpad
< 1320100665 554680 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: probably it's gmail's fault, then
< 1320100668 55517 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I absolutely hate gmail
< 1320100675 890714 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you middle-click, and everyone knows
< 1320100677 261111 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that I've been forced to use it for work
< 1320100689 266224 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the linked subject of an email message, to open the message
< 1320100908 279956 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Be a master of efficiency. Combine the unread, important and starred inboxes. Power through what's important."
< 1320100918 536864 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Google always like this?
< 1320100941 451314 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they got their search lead in the first place by /not/ randomly annoying people
< 1320101019 705367 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: Are you just going to complain about Gmail minutiae for hours?
< 1320101050 371708 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1320101054 810916 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm /really annoyed/ at it
< 1320101069 370842 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I know how Wooble feels constantly at the moment
< 1320101077 330437 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, does anyone know how to modify a process' environment variables?
< 1320101083 923018 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be sensible to /ignore me until tomorrow
< 1320101095 166274 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't /ignore anyone.
< 1320101095 342205 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: processes don't have environment variables as a constant thing
< 1320101107 13646 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, they're passed environment variables as a (possibly hidden) argument to main
< 1320101115 845669 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :via the execve syscall, which takes the environment as an argument
< 1320101117 624493 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: yes they do: see putenv
< 1320101122 790877 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc handles the illusion of a consistent environment
< 1320101130 236745 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all putenv is doing is changing a variable inside the libc
< 1320101138 70770 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OK, here's a different question:
< 1320101139 179642 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which remembers the environment for if you call a wrapper like execl
< 1320101150 755263 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know how to modify the libc's idea of environment variables of a process behind its back?
< 1320101172 387749 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the variable is normally exposed as "environ", IIRC
< 1320101178 190975 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's only from within the same process
< 1320101189 800501 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit like asking "does anyone know how to modify main's idea of argv behind its back?"
< 1320101201 842686 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1320101206 105279 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not expecting it to be clean
< 1320101206 268618 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is also a valid and moderately sensible question, but I don't know the answer
< 1320101221 876151 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd basically have to do the equivalent of attaching a debugger
< 1320101235 113924 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so I'll have to either tweak or rewrite cunionfs at the very least...
< 1320101240 144945 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since this isn't feasible
< 1320101248 338214 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :new question: what per-process namespaces does linux offer?
< 1320101253 504035 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(general use of the word namespace, not the linux meaning)
< 1320101260 468280 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :environment variables are one
< 1320101267 19236 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/proc is another, in a way
< 1320101277 163138 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fds?
< 1320101281 929334 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know if you can create files under /proc/
< 1320101286 866687 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: that other things can modify :)
< 1320101299 669438 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to look at the docs for the clone(2) system call
< 1320101300 422211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the usecase is: cunionfs reads the list of directories to union from an environment variable
< 1320101311 570056 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they explain a lot about what can optionally be shared between processes
< 1320101315 391077 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can start a process seeing a different union set by passing an environment variable
< 1320101321 93116 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I want to modify the union /after/ a process starts
< 1320101331 343180 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I need a mutable-from-outside per-process data store
< 1320101357 538775 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ouch
< 1320101373 817674 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :open unlinked fd, and writing to it via /proc, is probably the least insane method
< 1320101377 611209 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it's somewhat insane
< 1320101385 305165 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: that's more insane than just using files
< 1320101395 356587 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. /run/magicunion/
< 1320101464 766496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: but files are kind of ugly, since they're not tied to the lifetime of the process, etc. :)
< 1320101498 578815 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that also might be suboptimal because it forces a syscall per file access in the union
< 1320101502 480740 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to read the union file
< 1320101510 478975 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess that's inevitable if it's going to be mutable
< 1320101523 788804 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the very least you'd need a syscall to figure out whether the union changed
< 1320101536 509973 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's why unlinked file; that is tied to the lifetime of the process
< 1320101561 718140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: it has to work with every process
< 1320101574 232966 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: I can't force everybody to open an fd before calling exec() after fork()...
< 1320101626 321616 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: I'm probably OK if I need to write a kernel module for this, if that'll allow me to create e.g. /proc//union
< 1320101636 356159 :NihilistDandy!~ND@stu-145-155-171-184.champlain.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1320101654 497484 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you trying to do, in as in why do you want to do the why do you want to do this?
< 1320101660 20906 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it sounds beautifully insane
< 1320101663 498651 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: "in as in"?
< 1320101669 661601 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*as in
< 1320101675 109223 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and being willing to write a kernel module just to make it work makes it sound vaguely important
< 1320101745 717112 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: well, I'm working on Kitten, and have a Nix-style purely functional directory-per-package store, which needs to be aggregated into a single file tree so that you only have to add one directory to your path rather than five hundred; Nix does this by statically generating a tree of symlinks
< 1320101755 799709 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doing it as a unionfs seems cleaner to me
< 1320101770 535483 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you e.g. install a package, then all your running processes have to be updated to see it in the tree
< 1320101778 315551 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric := mutating the set of union branches
< 1320101796 694435 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it'd make more sense for the fs to handle all that by itself?
< 1320101801 785660 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what fs?
< 1320101815 891123 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: anyway, I /explicitly/ want it to be per-process
< 1320101818 533375 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a custom one based on unionfs
< 1320101822 225646 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that lets me do cool things
< 1320101822 445538 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that knows about processes
< 1320101830 45229 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: cunionfs /does/ know about processes
< 1320101833 327036 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cunionfs, not unionfs)
< 1320101838 494675 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: but, like I said, does it through environment variables
< 1320101839 674301 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK
< 1320101843 998244 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think I'm out of my depth, here
< 1320101850 27746 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm asking, how should my unionfs read the union set so I canm utate it?
< 1320101855 55489 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/nm /n m/
< 1320101873 877179 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what events would make the set change?
< 1320101891 923087 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: installing a package, removing a package
< 1320101907 806060 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: You are now graced with my absence.
< 1320101908 689692 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'd change it for all executables provided by that package?
< 1320101911 939579 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :installing a package has to add /.../sduf89sdfu98f98-firefox-348978947234 to the union
< 1320101918 57342 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that /.../sduf89sdfu98f98-firefox-348978947234/bin becomes part of /union/path/bin
< 1320101931 414617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :removing it has to remove it
< 1320101933 292285 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK
< 1320101936 705199 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: no, it'd do it for all running executables
< 1320101941 260502 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ran by the user
< 1320101941 408307 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what bonuses do you get for this being per-process?
< 1320101973 609354 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: [~/really-old-program]$ with 'gcc == 3.*' ./configure
< 1320101990 740487 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1320102001 590112 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, hmm, /that/ setting won't change with package changes
< 1320102014 872431 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: yes, I lied a bit: it'd mutate everything set to "defaults"
< 1320102018 361515 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1320102025 451540 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I could have a specific "default" branch setting
< 1320102027 972119 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it might be possible to have two layers, a system-wide one that can change during process lifetime, and a per-process one that's fixed throughout the whole lifetime?
< 1320102033 279454 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that would cause the unionfs to look up what the current defaults are
< 1320102046 991317 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there'd be no mutation necessary
< 1320102061 113046 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: thanks, this might help :P
< 1320102062 703749 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, my computer's so unresponsive when it's simultaneously running four O(n^3) CPU-bound algos
< 1320102076 621387 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shocking.
< 1320102095 692611 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: you might want to set the priorities of X, your WM and your panel to realtime
< 1320102116 331768 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps, but I don't care that much
< 1320102123 93460 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, this lets me know when the programs have finished
< 1320102137 31781 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and using RT prios on programs not obviously designed for them's always a bit risky
< 1320102180 545571 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Linux has been changed so that no longer hard-locks the entire system, right?)
< 1320102207 495699 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: well, isochronous would be better than RT, but I doubt you're running BFS
< 1320102529 689008 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh man, that GHC bug you found will actually affect some code I'm writing :-|
< 1320102538 931341 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm upset.
< 1320102555 376786 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have a trivial but bizarre workaround?
< 1320102607 682769 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends what you mean by trivial.
< 1320102615 76210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Phantom_Hoover: NEW HUMBLE BUNDLE
< 1320102623 690538 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYBODY RUUUUUUUUUN
< 1320102633 143878 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'LL ONLY BE AVAILABLE FOR THREE SECONDS
< 1320102649 285269 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes. 3 seconds and 13 days
< 1320102665 625109 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Voxatron is an arcade/adventure game set in an entirely destructible world made out of voxels (little cubes, kind of)."
< 1320102667 91507 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, given that the 3rd was kind of crap, and the second has a game I wanted but couldn't play and another, admittedly good game, I'll pass.
< 1320102667 163561 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's an alpha.
< 1320102669 984455 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm looking at what the game is atm
< 1320102671 173789 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS SOUNDS FAMILIAR....................
< 1320102689 469840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well, I just thought I ought to inform you
< 1320102692 103283 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks cool actually.
< 1320102696 371847 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait this loosk super cool.
< 1320102699 36147 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this have multiplayer?
< 1320102704 137640 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: If this has multiplayery ou have to get it.
< 1320102719 854791 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, he has an intel cardboard box.
< 1320102729 926617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Dude, it's a retro-styled voxel game.
< 1320102733 654363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and yeah it sucks that the games didn't work for you
< 1320102741 659778 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I can assure you most of them were awesome
< 1320102773 825002 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK so this is just... one game.
< 1320102776 433919 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm paying like a penny.
< 1320102854 766646 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This, uh.
< 1320102864 925763 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm going to pay like 0.1€ more than the current average. Just in case.
< 1320102865 209865 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There's references to previews of this game from 300 days ago.
< 1320102869 421631 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long alpha.
< 1320102872 404638 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm
< 1320102877 38063 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, reminds of some game
< 1320102879 554184 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also you can increase what you're payingl ater.
< 1320102884 151816 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/l a/ la/
< 1320102888 711033 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1320102929 5441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't quite remember the name.... something-craft.... quarrycraft?
< 1320102951 350607 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Voxatron is an arcade/adventure game set in an entirely destructible world made out of voxels (little cubes, kind of)."
< 1320102951 646755 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : And it's an alpha.
< 1320102951 914327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : THIS SOUNDS FAMILIAR....................
< 1320102952 800432 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this looks like a 3D editor to me: http://www.lexaloffle.com/gfx/ssvox6.png
< 1320102955 431280 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beat you to it; also funnier.
< 1320102962 166517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes right, but I meant the alpha thingy
< 1320102964 121823 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :long alpha
< 1320102965 869928 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's because that's what it is.
< 1320102973 961223 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the map editor?
< 1320102988 553572 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also object editor, it looks like.
< 1320103006 311974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm curently limited due to small monitor, I'll bring this up on my desktop once I rebooted it.
< 1320103084 938165 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go
< 1320103133 306223 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I wonder if I can separate things into two types of options to make the DSL route work...
< 1320103225 924438 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting certainly
< 1320103240 972763 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :will go for a small sum for the start
< 1320103312 839233 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I like the "do whatever the verb of google plus is" in that video. What is the verb?
< 1320103339 799321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonplus.
< 1320103374 602340 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NPROCS=$(cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep processor | awk '{a++} END {print a}') \
< 1320103374 842457 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1320103452 161053 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make install -j$NPROCS ICK_SPECIFIC_SUBDIR=ick DESTDIR="$1"
< 1320103457 208464 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: what does ICK_SPECIFIC_SUBDIR even do?
< 1320103469 916657 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's a hook for Debian
< 1320103487 16425 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't an answer :P
< 1320103487 608475 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it names the directory of the global places that hold directories for all sorts of programs, that is specific to INTERCAL
< 1320103502 65632 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what?
< 1320103510 987433 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how you have /usr/lib/perl, etc?
< 1320103513 851270 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the INTERCAL equivalent
< 1320103522 377802 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1320103526 797355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it by default, then?
< 1320103531 738802 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ick-$version
< 1320103536 635888 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1320103538 738047 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian don't like versioned subdirs
< 1320103540 987149 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, 64-bit deb, but just one .tar.gz, I wonder if it is 32-bit or 64-bit
< 1320103541 66892 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I gave them a hook
< 1320103546 498383 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :evidently I didn't either
< 1320103550 336084 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because manually patching the makefile is annoying
< 1320103561 494028 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it feels dirty in a way
< 1320103581 33442 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that is 32-bit
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< 1320103741 302224 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, aiee the resolution options of this game sucks
< 1320103752 648168 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can do native + 800x600 + some weird even smaller ones
< 1320103763 167360 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is either full screen or tiny window for me
< 1320103792 381638 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: just run it in gdb :P
< 1320103801 71857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this is the list of resolutions: 1680x1050, 840x525 (wtf?), 800x600, 800x480
< 1320103807 277419 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :800x480? What?
< 1320103815 378620 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's a small widescreen res
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< 1320103849 872027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1320103912 753891 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: maybe it just upscales beyond that to keep the retro aesthetics
< 1320103916 389036 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use compiz zoom :p
< 1320103924 619081 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  Life expectancy now is a function of whether you go berserk or not.
< 1320103926 939313 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :704)  Life expectancy now is a function of whether you go berserk or not.
< 1320104077 455635 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, their live chat works okay
< 1320104182 694741 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: how crazy does this sound: constantly run a daemon that uses inotify to incrementally backup every change to every file (reverse binary diff snapshotting, etc.)
< 1320104212 604117 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, every file apart from /run and /tmp and the like :)
< 1320104224 570300 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: better to make it an OS feature rather than trying to userland it, I think
< 1320104248 61735 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: I can implement this faster than I can implement @
< 1320104270 766869 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1320104278 116502 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Kitten practice for @?
< 1320104307 376916 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: no, Kitten's so I don't give up on computers and become an anarcho-primitivist before @ comes out
< 1320104323 981489 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1320104330 542698 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are too much a perfectionist :)
< 1320104340 123558 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, everything else is just that broken :)
< 1320104347 37057 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: syn
< 1320104367 824414 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: anyway, a perfectionist would never create a linux distro...
< 1320104393 362170 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think nilfs actually does what I want
< 1320104398 992921 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: mind reading something?
< 1320104401 524197 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NILFS creates a number of checkpoints every few seconds or per synchronous write basis (unless there is no change). Users can select significant versions among continuously created checkpoints, and can change them into snapshots which will be preserved until they are changed back to checkpoints."
< 1320104411 826291 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can mount snapshots
< 1320104413 404250 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: go on
< 1320104421 116028 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wellnowwhat.net/linguistics/Draft2.pdf up to but not including section 3
< 1320104428 971960 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prose might be choppy
< 1320104444 156724 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is going to be boring isn't it :'(
< 1320104476 657820 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Most dogs love Alpo, and most cats love Whiskas"
< 1320104478 946133 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: [citation needed]
< 1320104502 342178 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :use/mention
< 1320104578 376926 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you wanted to statically type a Forth-like language, what would be the type of a word with multiple possible stack effects? Say, something that turns an "End"-delimited series of values into a list.
< 1320104613 535944 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's not the best example, because you could call it A End B -> A [B] or whatever.
< 1320104642 488086 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see cat, factor
< 1320104645 188239 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly cat
< 1320104655 580862 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :words with dynamic stack effects are simply not allwoed
< 1320104663 859327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do some kind of ad-hoc overloading a la typeclasses, but that's not the same thing
< 1320104668 450630 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that's static
< 1320104690 791486 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For those readers who are unfamiliar with American pet products, Alpo
< 1320104690 957902 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Whiskas are brands of dog food and cat food, respectively."
< 1320104693 990445 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: whiskas is uk too at least
< 1320104696 900330 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno about alpo
< 1320104702 486759 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i know both are in finland as well
< 1320104710 173865 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: anyway has nobody really investigated this before
< 1320104710 530808 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ive had some people complain they didnt know wtf i was talking about
< 1320104712 267243 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be like
< 1320104717 92489 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :item one on my why is language so fucked up project
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< 1320104728 735916 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe five people have, but the explanations are shit
< 1320104756 723261 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: your field is fucked >:(
< 1320104771 838420 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: theres lots of other stuff that people are concerned with
< 1320104774 459644 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Thanks...that's generally what I was thinking, but it seems a rather arbitrary limitation. :/
< 1320104786 121883 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of current research, for instance, is interested in quantificational properties
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< 1320104806 512490 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: some kind of thing restricting how values can be combined to eliminate a large class of bad programs while rejecting some good ones by necessity...
< 1320104808 138100 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost like
< 1320104809 541906 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of
< 1320104811 61368 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :type system
< 1320104814 279199 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like a failing of the type system though.
< 1320104824 980770 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That you can't denote the type of an arbitrary stack effect.
< 1320104839 886186 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then you'd end up with dependent typing for no reason?
< 1320104841 672324 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess?
< 1320104848 270195 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: these diagrams are so boring
< 1320104857 76140 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the trees? i know.
< 1320104864 27699 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all the same!
< 1320104865 989392 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just write them inline
< 1320104872 457944 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trees?
< 1320104885 144294 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1320104886 143549 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er.. there is notation for that, but it's not as easy to read
< 1320104888 24751 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: "In view of the fourt property," typo
< 1320104894 133765 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ive fixed that locally
< 1320104904 764817 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In (41) and (??)," ?? isn't a number hth
< 1320104934 399587 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the finnish examples have yet to be added
< 1320104944 948317 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so \ref{} is pointing to nothing
< 1320104955 193449 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not complete, that part
< 1320105002 130304 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i know :P
< 1320105009 148926 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you actually cite random people on irc for this
< 1320105010 495996 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1320105011 510772 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd just lie
< 1320105052 703857 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never cite your informants
< 1320105077 110617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow so i can just write a paper full of shit
< 1320105077 944806 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1320105109 270883 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He will eat a hamburger and her a hotdog"
< 1320105113 5133 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: maybe it just upscales beyond that to keep the retro aesthetics <-- no it doesn't
< 1320105114 489021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i can confirm this is 101% idiomatic
< 1320105132 29217 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry?
< 1320105136 877680 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :102%.
< 1320105147 556812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway you can do it manually: ~/.lexaloffle/Voxatron/config.txt
< 1320105147 628669 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure what you mean by "101% idiomatic"
< 1320105149 877808 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets more idiomatic the more i look at it. trust me. native english speaker. you wouldn't understand.
< 1320105154 465525 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you mean colloquial?
< 1320105154 814784 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, editing that by hand works
< 1320105162 59030 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: no I mean it is totally correct.
< 1320105166 975766 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am the most serious linguist
< 1320105186 673720 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiomatic does not mean correct :|
< 1320105189 430370 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's true, actually. "Her" basically stands for "as for her". :P
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< 1320105197 23648 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's
< 1320105204 138245 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiomatic means that the meaning isn't obviously connected to the words
< 1320105204 473099 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not
< 1320105206 992583 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "kick the bucket"
< 1320105210 228338 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not true evincar i was bullshitting
< 1320105223 969566 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was aware you were bullshitting and was contradicting you.
< 1320105231 687130 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: also, "her" definitely doesnt stand for "as for her" there
< 1320105236 414750 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He will eat a hamburger and she a hotdog" = makes sense
< 1320105238 974356 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He will eat a hamburger and her a hotdog" = doesn't
< 1320105245 957435 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you weren't actually bullshitting and just pretending not to be bullshitting.
< 1320105258 383288 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: makes sense in what way
< 1320105261 448955 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the former looks kinda wrong too ~SEMANTIC SATIATION~
< 1320105267 464014 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: well i parse it about ten times easier :P
< 1320105272 480012 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the former meant to be the correct one
< 1320105273 902214 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've lost track
< 1320105275 169114 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If most native speakers can correctly infer the meaning of a phrase, it's correct as far as I'm concerned.
< 1320105276 304103 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck language
< 1320105281 66132 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: ask a native lojban speaker next
< 1320105283 730300 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "meant to be" no
< 1320105286 393812 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1320105297 723401 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :subject case in english is a mess
< 1320105301 110537 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its extremely variable
< 1320105302 976412 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: meant to be as in
< 1320105304 91021 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Case inflection is so five centuries ago.
< 1320105306 859064 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the context of the paper
< 1320105308 237396 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are people who insist that it must be "she"
< 1320105313 919749 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Six or seven, really.
< 1320105315 330802 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats irrelevant
< 1320105324 435666 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter is definitely super hard tor ead
< 1320105325 380612 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the paper, no, neither is "more correct"
< 1320105325 751507 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to read
< 1320105343 18670 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i'm not going prescriptivist on you I just assumed everyone would find the latter one wrong :P
< 1320105355 258392 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, no, everyone i talk to prefers the latter one
< 1320105361 980225 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1320105365 404476 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they both look wrong to me
< 1320105365 919639 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats just case shit
< 1320105368 646491 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess i'm just ruined
< 1320105384 90690 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I celebrate my minor victory by mounting my platypus.
< 1320105384 488734 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah its plausible that pronominals would be harder to get
< 1320105396 930990 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you might also want some discourse context to ameliorate it
< 1320105410 505897 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: wow i want to punch you for that sentence
< 1320105417 565938 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why :(
< 1320105419 774577 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing personal
< 1320105531 353806 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure all punches, however hypothetical, are personal. :P
< 1320105566 74183 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well you can try. you might hurt yourself tho D:
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