< 1321488042 143043 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Shoot ... I don't think I can make VAX work :( < 1321488046 554658 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: :( < 1321488047 441664 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1321488103 329666 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-217-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Butbut all the world's a VAX! < 1321488134 153636 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's CISC but (apparently?) functions have to be 16-bit aligned! < 1321488162 701108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :data ExitVal = To DirVal | From DirVal; data DirVal = NW | NE | SW | SE; class Exit e where exitVal :: p e -> ExitVal; instance Dir d => Exit (To d) where exitVal x = To (dirVal x); ... class Dir d where dirVal :: p d => DirVal; instance Dir NW where dirVal _ = NW; ... < 1321488169 32351 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't really cope with function alignment not being the same as the smallest opcode. < 1321488172 590641 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Just align everything? < 1321488178 209385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think something like that is needed to actually _test_ these directions < 1321488183 351927 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It shouldn't hurt to align everything to n * size of smallest opcode for smoe n < 1321488184 221821 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some < 1321488222 322422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm why did i write p, i was going to use t... < 1321488235 977683 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data ExitVal = To DirVal | From DirVal; data DirVal = NW | NE | SW | SE; < 1321488238 144372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already have those < 1321488248 134023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1321488249 920746 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :without the reification stuff, though < 1321488251 784406 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can add that < 1321488276 513125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also a bunch of the datatypes need Dir dir => contexts for their quantified types < 1321488291 379882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise they might be type erased entirely < 1321488296 706301 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this is so you can "ascend SW" or whatever right? < 1321488359 610670 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-217-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The crap? < 1321488369 332673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, this was primarily so i can look at a gadt value and actually find out which dirs it _uses_ inside < 1321488430 483676 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah. < 1321488434 727976 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reappears. < 1321488435 300436 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1321488437 933492 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: mightn't a type family fit better? perhaps not < 1321488440 996681 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's not the codegen that's the problem. < 1321488445 517657 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's pro/epilogue detection. < 1321488452 413276 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Alright < 1321488458 872252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, if you see how... < 1321488466 517313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not so familiar with them. < 1321488470 157100 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: The crap? // the crap what? < 1321488530 65762 :CakeProphet!~eris@gate-30.spsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1321488530 246928 :CakeProphet!~eris@gate-30.spsu.edu QUIT :Changing host < 1321488530 292383 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1321488579 318931 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-217-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :16-bit alignment for functions? < 1321488580 484661 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-243-68.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1321488581 887032 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-217-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*16* bit? < 1321488639 845954 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ayup :P < 1321488642 207227 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-176-36.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1321488742 588234 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, even without VAX, I feel that x86[_64], SPARC, MIPS[el], ARM, PPC, Alpha is a pretty good list. < 1321489605 78205 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1321489916 205846 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1321490694 60370 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: go on... :P < 1321490952 499408 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81ef6d.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1321491093 627776 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-34.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: nyu~ < 1321491444 485396 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :( < 1321491514 862954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, i'm actually fed up of this already < 1321491525 521424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in case that wasn't obvious) < 1321491528 496642 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION creys < 1321491708 190184 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan shall forever be known as the person who sided with the finns and swedes < 1321491734 286144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1321491741 445806 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deewiant and vorpal < 1321491754 22278 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST SAYING < 1321491921 899614 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-145-138.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1321492058 304218 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-217-240.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1321492261 924807 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has now committed seppuku. < 1321492276 963243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brains... < 1321492284 517015 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1321492287 651749 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1321492290 674038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi brains < 1321492309 827809 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1321492312 484695 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i will now pester monqy for the algorithm instead to make you feel bad. < 1321492318 931984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi algorithm < 1321492322 273980 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what algorithm :( < 1321492323 830461 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1321492324 111412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1321492356 904247 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, two different people in two different chatrooms greeted with pluralization... < 1321492370 815249 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I assume "brains" is just a part of context of prior conversation < 1321492388 53462 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: east algorithm < 1321492396 565756 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is too scandinavian to tell me the secrets < 1321492398 247923 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :east algorithm < 1321492430 648218 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is east algorithm what are you talking about ;_; ;_;; _;;;;; < 1321492446 705780 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iv'eb eeeen too busy python to pay attenteion :( < 1321492499 579286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well basically you need to go up in a quadtree, then in the right direction to end up east of where you were. the trouble is all the extra scaffolding of data which makes even those steps insanely tricky < 1321492555 802411 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm going to give it a shot myself, and if i fail i will die HOPE YOU FEEL GOOD < 1321492646 172308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1321492651 971528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, aww < 1321492671 853193 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um out of curiosity is the "p" used in exitVal/dirVal just standing in for Proxy or similar? < 1321492678 701848 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you actually plan to apply them to MetaNodes or something < 1321492682 729670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: BRAINS... < 1321492729 414057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: as i said, i really wanted it to be t, similar to in your Neighbors* types < 1321492746 317481 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1321492747 633646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and yes, the idea was to just be able to put in any of those < 1321492827 657910 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: otoh it fails slightly because you have "p (To NW)" and you apply dirVal to it but dirVal is expecting "p NW"... < 1321492842 649854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1321492870 769782 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's easy enough to make a proxy out of it though < 1321492882 713141 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a (b c) -> Proxy c :p < 1321492887 472325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. whatever you think easiest. < 1321492888 777971 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just use scoped type variables < 1321492910 396872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, scoped type variables are tricky with gadts < 1321492920 418985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seemed to me < 1321492939 955889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't capture those that appear from pattern matching < 1321492945 802060 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er I meant < 1321492948 556257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (DirectionType dir) => ExitType (To dir) where < 1321492948 686744 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : exitVal = To $ directionVal (Proxy :: Proxy dir) < 1321492953 675613 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not replacing the whole mechanism with them < 1321492963 65747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1321492968 652766 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it avoids a silly "a (b c) -> Proxy c" function to make the types work out < 1321493109 351630 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to write "ascend :: MetaContext -> MetaContext"... < 1321493129 238445 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1321493187 380862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to find out how that changes the structure, it is necessary to know how many of the neighbors of the source and destination node lead to other real cursors < 1321493223 585671 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh. < 1321493244 180894 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw, I'm not sure a class actually /is/ needed, because everything ends up containing Neighbours, and you can pattern-match on those to determine which direction is being used >:) < 1321493259 474837 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words: /me adds class contexts to everything < 1321493268 796301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not leafs, i thought... < 1321493274 602768 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well probably not :P < 1321493359 503399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you are leaving a node with > 2 such neighbors, it gets turned into a MetaNode, while if it has 1, it gets merged into that one's MetaPath, while if it has 0, it and its neighbors get turned into a PlainCursor. < 1321493372 795799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, * >= 2 < 1321493393 848240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, excluding neighbors in the direction you are going, of course < 1321493483 24870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah and of course if there is another real cursor on the node _itself_, it always becomes a MetaNode. < 1321493505 603396 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is getting very suspicious of these very-similar data types that seem to give rise to a bunch of special cases. < 1321493518 191923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1321493556 551633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a MetaNode either contains a real cursor or is sort of a crossing whose signPost tells you how to get to other real cursors < 1321493625 45756 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am also kind of suspicious of how the "zipper of tree of zippers" thing is sort of tied to the zippers themselves < 1321493636 793213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1321493654 663141 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it seems like you should be able to do that completely separately from the zipper operations themselves. < 1321493718 375546 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also, I think SignPost is broken. there's nowhere to stash the IpData when switching cursor < 1321493751 562506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't it Either IpData Exit? < 1321493766 968665 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but presumably you have to change it to the relevant Exit when switching cursors... < 1321493773 632643 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you use the SignPost to figure out whether you're at a given cursor or not < 1321493776 287282 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if not, how to get to it < 1321493852 344697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well when you leave a node carrying a cursor, you change that node's signPost from containing the ipData to containing the exit, of course; at the same time you change the node you're going to to contain the ipData < 1321493875 361238 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1321493880 625424 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense :P < 1321493937 156577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be that the entire SignPost gets moved to the new node, if the old one is packed into a MetaPath while the new one became unpacked from one < 1321493948 124272 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like the leaf data should contain the IpId < 1321494019 14901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... i guess cursors that aren't in the move will always be on leaves < 1321494021 492325 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1321494044 328348 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well otherwise I have to scan the entire signpost just to find the value that's Left < 1321494073 129454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, you just lookup your current ip, surely < 1321494092 424640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there can be more than one ip at the same spot, too < 1321494096 718503 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how < 1321494099 233475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so more than one Left < 1321494101 119922 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : LeafCtx :: (Direction dir) < 1321494101 253021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : => LeafData < 1321494101 298599 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> MetaCursor (From dir) < 1321494101 298758 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> SignPost < 1321494101 298860 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> MetaContext < 1321494134 270596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the SignPost can contain more than one ip key whose value is Left ... < 1321494136 504169 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-145-138.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1321494146 844111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :corresponding to two ips in the same cell < 1321494150 941317 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, okay. I was going by well when you leave a node carrying a cursor, you change that node's signPost from containing the ipData to containing the exit, of course; at the same time you change the node you're going to to contain the ipData < 1321494171 912254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, only for the ip key you are actually _moving_ < 1321494204 765440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :/cursor < 1321494233 91569 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right. and how am i suppose to determine which one that is? < 1321494248 293716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, i forgot about that... < 1321494253 11813 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1321494258 709031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should take the ip as an argument to ascend < 1321494268 626357 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1321494388 566108 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION idly wonders about a data structure that acts as a set of bytestrings; given a hash of one of the bytestrings, you can get the bytestring out, and given a hash that matches none of the bytestrings in the set, you can determine that it isn't present; but (a) it is unfeasible (brute-forcey) to get a valid hash out of the data without knowing one, and (b) it is unfeasible to access any bytestring without knowing its hash < 1321494407 25821 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking you could encrypt each bytestring with its hash as the key, but you need a way to go from the hash to that data, and that ends up storing the hash itself... < 1321494421 969046 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh: you could implement it as a lookup table from a hash of the hash to the bytestring encrypted with the hash < 1321494431 127454 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then doing (a) or (b) requires reversing the hash function < 1321494489 974855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure this must have been investigated < 1321494513 98083 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, but i have no idea what i would google for < 1321494559 884292 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8931F.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1321494572 512601 :CakeProphet!~eris@c-24-126-235-176.hsd1.ga.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1321494572 558019 :CakeProphet!~eris@c-24-126-235-176.hsd1.ga.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1321494572 558155 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1321494578 28038 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi. < 1321494600 330236 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so when I convert the integer 5 to a float via c-style casting in C++ < 1321494608 20831 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is 5.0 correct? < 1321494614 118172 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it something weird? < 1321494620 79390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hm, all the difficulty in implementing that is in implementing one-point sets, i think < 1321494627 722343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can just make a list of them < 1321494638 698843 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :luke-sr < 1321494653 757773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you don't consider iterating through all too expensive < 1321494654 994511 :luke-sr!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin < 1321494740 711166 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that is indeed too expensive. < 1321494749 415899 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: yes < 1321494766 123744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm of course you could simply use the hash to look the right one up in a hashtable < 1321494801 930804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm i didn't read (a) properly < 1321494814 144988 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you could do that and not store the keys < 1321494825 842238 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's O(n) in how many hashtable collisions there are to look up < 1321494834 216308 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1321494838 657147 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that works < 1321494839 128290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um wouldn't (a) make it impossible to _construct_ your data structure? < 1321494852 507714 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah okay, see I thought differing representations of would mess things up, but... I guess not? < 1321494853 949492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the data you want to put in it < 1321494862 540884 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*of floats and ints < 1321494872 410922 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, with my proposed solution: table[hash(hash(data))] = encrypt(data, key=hash(data)) < 1321494952 211239 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it that c-style case in C++ does nice automatic conversion, with reinterpret_cast being an actual C-like cast? < 1321494956 670127 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :help I am C nub. < 1321494962 826089 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/case/cst/ < 1321494965 744692 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wehriuheriuhwUEHR UW EHRU HWUEIRH YU23H 78H < 1321495062 263880 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1321495078 257688 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1321495122 258737 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's times like this that I wish my data structures course was in Haskell. :P < 1321495173 621231 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 5 `div` 2 < 1321495174 709937 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1321495176 474306 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 5 / 2 < 1321495177 315828 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.5 < 1321495282 892975 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey I'm making a hash table too!!! :D :D :D :# < 1321495292 396796 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: does that not work? < 1321495306 464873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle ($!!) < 1321495306 833584 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.DeepSeq ($!!) :: NFData a => (a -> b) -> a -> b < 1321495314 931139 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1321495344 325310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, i don't trust myself to judge that < 1321495360 141177 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: heh < 1321495376 907808 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Would you learn purely functional queues, or do structures that could only be used in ST? < 1321495392 429531 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: good question. depends on the structure. < 1321495404 834808 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hash table would be IO/ST, trees would be pure. < 1321495438 588131 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you could cram Haskell + data structures into one course though. not effectively anyway < 1321495450 681643 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd want an intro Haskell course followed by a data structures course. < 1321495556 541339 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not all trees would be pure I guess. but then... hmmm < 1321495620 266722 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well really the data structures you'd want to use in Haskell are not the ones you'd want to use in C++, I think. < 1321495633 490476 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do tree rotations in pure Haskell efficiently? < 1321495927 377928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(log n) < 1321495974 327967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to insert/delete and rebalance < 1321496323 598613 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whose Line is it Anyway season 1 report: Absolute winner is Wayne Brady with an impressive 3,005,530.5 points. Absolute average episode winner is also Wayne with 187,845.7 points per episode. Logarithmic winner is Colin Mochrie with 130.4. Logarithmic average episode winner for performers appearing in >1 episode is also Colin with a commanding 6.5 log-points per episode. < 1321496359 391143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah but what about the sinusoidal winner < 1321496458 506854 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah okay. < 1321496615 793594 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ryan Stiles was the declared winner in 12 episodes, with Colin coming in second at 9 episodes. < 1321496680 654445 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ....WHY < 1321496682 708335 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP < 1321496691 160620 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: go obsess about something else. < 1321496703 656222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats CakeProphet -----### < 1321496716 38424 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are better things to invest time into < 1321496727 66082 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: My JIT works on nine platforms! < 1321496738 429396 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: uh, okay? < 1321496750 341566 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT COULD WORK ON ALL THE PLATFORMS < 1321496764 85673 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I taught my dog to teach my cat to behave! < 1321496768 965702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"shachaf: Sometimes things are complicated because the domain is complicated. Other times things are complicated because edwardk." < 1321496780 960550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(new Haskell Weekly News) < 1321496781 959079 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ? < 1321496785 458444 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1321496833 661679 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, I got quoted twice. < 1321496867 803674 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahaaaaaa < 1321496868 680480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why is your quote so serious. < 1321496886 738369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have half a mind to `delquote it < 1321496895 83853 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for my data structures project I have to provide pseudocode algorithms in my documentation for any function that's more than 15 lines. < 1321496904 595372 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but none of my functions are more than 15 lines. bahahahahahaha < 1321496926 602727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: EXCELLENT < 1321496937 812164 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sory < 1321496966 890948 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine any of these functions being more than 15 lines < 1321496974 746040 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're just bad at programming or bad at abstraction. < 1321497026 461658 :yours_truly!~yours@infocalypse-net.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1321497067 20307 :Nisstyre!~yours@infocalypse-net.info QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1321497150 679202 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote shachaf < 1321497153 243978 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :620) elliott: GHC bug? Come on, it's the parentheses. The more parentheses you add, the closer it is to LISP, and therefore the more dynamically-typed. \ 666) Real Tar is GNU tar. You just ignore whichever features don't make you feel superior enough. \ 704) VMS Mosaic? I hope that's not Mosaic ported to VMS. Hmm. It's Mosaic ported to VMS. < 1321497166 447429 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those quotes are all horrible. < 1321497187 616219 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should get kmc in this channel. kmc has good quotes. < 1321497189 167427 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote kmc < 1321497190 150594 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :c-style cast, dynamic cast, static cast, reinterpret cast, const_cast. < 1321497191 527535 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :686) COCKS [...] truly cocks < 1321497201 328034 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in theory. < 1321497250 32640 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see, C just does automatic conversion of number types. < 1321497268 889750 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote You should get kmc in this channel. kmc has good quotes. `quote kmc 686) COCKS [...] truly cocks Well, in theory. < 1321497270 910706 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :720) You should get kmc in this channel. kmc has good quotes. `quote kmc 686) COCKS [...] truly cocks Well, in theory. < 1321497273 605983 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was a runtime NOP < 1321497276 410825 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now, you have good quotes :P < 1321497305 33169 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1321497424 663601 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is with Haskell and people named Elliott? < 1321497428 359941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: we have had kmc in this channel, he refuses to entertain us though < 1321497447 25894 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: what < 1321497468 94185 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There's you, Conal, Some dude named Trevor, some guy I met IRL < 1321497469 404605 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Elliott is the name of elitist jerks who like elitist jerk languages. hurr hurr hurr < 1321497476 369031 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sgeo|web is trying to say "What is it with elliott?" in a polite way. < 1321497495 818242 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: there's also elliottcable! < 1321497500 730391 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who i doubt actually knows any haskell. < 1321497510 180129 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is in #haskell occasionally and ragequits whenever people start pinging me < 1321497525 235862 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Elliott Smith who is actally not a programmer and is dead. < 1321497531 616073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hm that 720 quote has some parsing ambiguity due to the recursion < 1321497539 390815 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Right now neither you nor he are in #haskell. < 1321497541 487010 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1321497551 463014 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake NICK :Haskell < 1321497576 450045 :Haskell!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi guys. < 1321497581 430483 :Haskell!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this nick was registered in 2008 apparently. < 1321497595 713089 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell's last name is probably Elliott < 1321497600 850935 :Haskell!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should go to #freenode and get it. < 1321497619 351637 :Haskell!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and Kallisti < 1321497666 427749 :Haskell!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's a name I like and stuff. < 1321497725 151094 :Haskell!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake NICK :CakeProphet < 1321497744 698057 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only be Haskell for so long. The awesome blows my mind. < 1321497840 953739 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is doubling a hash table a reasonable resize function? I'm gonna go with "sure" < 1321497873 800064 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Better to enlarge it by one byte. < 1321497880 490968 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :More space-efficient that way. < 1321497898 575694 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes indeed. < 1321497902 868847 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good call. < 1321497938 351786 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was actually worried more about time than space. < 1321497941 120035 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine that. < 1321497955 526336 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1321497966 906987 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: hm that 720 quote has some parsing ambiguity due to the recursion // 'struth < 1321497991 681724 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 1 < 1321497993 961427 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) I used computational linguistics to kill her. < 1321498015 432985 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 2 < 1321498017 717872 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" < 1321498036 361782 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh heh heh < 1321498066 144404 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly I'm not sure why you would expect great works of comedic genius from an #esoteric quote db < 1321498164 850477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, how could you _not_? < 1321498202 937132 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ha. ha. ha ha. ha ha ha. ha ha ha ha ha. < 1321498363 936861 :yours_truly!~yours@infocalypse-net.info NICK :Nisstyre < 1321498394 505490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> intercalate(".")$fix((" ha":).scanl(++)(" ha")) < 1321498396 285590 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : " ha. ha. ha ha. ha ha ha. ha ha ha ha ha. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. ha ha h... < 1321498417 337105 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Fibonacci laugh. < 1321498433 743673 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :only expressed for the most Fibonacci humorous things. < 1321498475 870777 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also how does that even work. < 1321498601 747620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix((1:).scanl(+)1) < 1321498603 495609 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,1... < 1321498610 140726 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl (++) (" ha") "lo" < 1321498611 71753 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[GHC.Types.Char]' < 1321498611 251399 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred ty... < 1321498622 574974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just modified that one in the obvious way < 1321498634 4794 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right I forget what scan does. < 1321498645 754557 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl (++) (" ha") ["lo"] < 1321498647 433861 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [" ha"," halo"] < 1321498659 712986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl(+)[1..] < 1321498660 670444 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show ([[t]] -> [[t]]) < 1321498660 881052 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a ... < 1321498662 666541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1321498666 58953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl(+)0[1..] < 1321498666 895887 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,3,6,10,15,21,28,36,45,55,66,78,91,105,120,136,153,171,190,210,231,253,... < 1321498726 810407 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay. < 1321498735 220507 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the usual laziness black magic. < 1321498754 673145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl(f)x[1..]::Expr < 1321498755 630000 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `SimpleReflect.Expr' < 1321498755 741682 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred ... < 1321498758 274553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1321498766 360978 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I got sccanl < 1321498768 435157 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :-c < 1321498776 891774 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t scanl < 1321498778 136264 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (a -> b -> a) -> a -> [b] -> [a] < 1321498806 48367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :scanl is like foldl, but lists all the intermediate results < 1321498833 940086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl(f)x[1..]::[Expr] < 1321498834 967090 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [x,f x 1,f (f x 1) 2,f (f (f x 1) 2) 3,f (f (f (f x 1) 2) 3) 4,f (f (f (f (... < 1321498865 245321 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanr(f)x[1..] < 1321498866 226001 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [f 1 (f 2 (f 3 (f 4 (f 5 (f 6 (f 7 (f 8 (f 9 (f 10 (f 11 (f 12 (f 13 (f 14 ... < 1321498885 653784 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :scanr gets no love. < 1321498912 656160 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanr(f)x[1..5] < 1321498913 625308 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [f 1 (f 2 (f 3 (f 4 (f 5 x)))),f 2 (f 3 (f 4 (f 5 x))),f 3 (f 4 (f 5 x)),f ... < 1321498916 500535 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanr(f)x[1..3] < 1321498917 554901 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [f 1 (f 2 (f 3 x)),f 2 (f 3 x),f 3 x,x] < 1321498953 720598 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :scanl adds calls, scanr removes calls. < 1321498963 522937 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/calls/applications/ < 1321498987 862272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src scanr < 1321498988 180868 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :scanr _ q0 [] = [q0] < 1321498988 484663 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :scanr f q0 (x:xs) = f x q : qs < 1321498988 529955 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : where qs@(q:_) = scanr f q0 xs < 1321499010 891435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src scanl < 1321499011 293550 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :scanl f q ls = q : case ls of < 1321499011 591046 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [] -> [] < 1321499011 636230 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : x:xs -> scanl f (f q x) xs < 1321499035 686870 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :weirdly different in style. < 1321499055 496165 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: only for laziness < 1321499059 71964 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scan f x undefined < 1321499060 191597 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `scan' < 1321499063 569809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well scanl can give the first element without any recursion < 1321499065 95839 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl f x undefined < 1321499066 305488 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [x*Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1321499162 928401 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reverse (scanl (+) 1 [1..5]) == scanr (+) 1 [1..5] < 1321499163 822218 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1321499173 899422 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1321499176 978120 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the initial value. < 1321499189 868357 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reverse (scanl1 (+) [1..5]) == scanr1 (+) [1..5] < 1321499190 770333 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1321499194 54676 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1321499200 231221 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1321499217 612382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reverse (scanl1 (+) [1..5]) == scanr1 (+) (reverse [1..5]) < 1321499218 671200 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1321499322 769172 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1321499967 410872 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Dannevirke_welcome_sign.jpg < 1321499970 951814 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this what you look like? < 1321500034 87802 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, my double-hashing solution is so ugly :( < 1321500041 403237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not, vikings didn't have horns on their helmets! < 1321500045 44580 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: double-hasing is gross. < 1321500064 184724 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: SIMPLY USE SOME FORM OF NON-LINEAR PROBING. < 1321500073 560227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm clean shaven. < 1321500077 641319 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i don't think you know what i'm talking about < 1321500083 471923 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, you look like dijkstra < 1321500094 134004 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: double hashing as in... double hasing as in... hash tables. right? < 1321500099 117479 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else could you be talking about? < 1321500160 777172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :In een alternatief universum, Ørjan lijkt Dijkstra. < 1321500188 541990 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bork bork bork < 1321500213 330414 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ørjan < 1321500216 489241 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, I want to be called that < 1321500221 608875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a hunch the lijkt isn't quite correct < 1321500264 185647 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: I'm famous. < 1321500270 277982 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1321500271 613067 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore my name is awesome. (?) < 1321500283 617072 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :famous for prophesizing cakes? < 1321500292 683168 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Curtis < 1321500294 678921 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm this guy. < 1321500308 490050 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh, excellent < 1321500314 927500 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes to think CakeProphet really is Adam Curtis. < 1321500327 660542 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're in luck because I am. < 1321500334 777003 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of fucking brits in here < 1321500341 442309 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am too) < 1321500342 932784 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is American. < 1321500351 120662 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: it says you're from the UK right on your wikipedia page. < 1321500355 811379 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quit foolin' around. < 1321500356 404178 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you should correct your wikipedia page < 1321500359 970735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym hexhamers < 1321500368 813429 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: [citation needed] < 1321500368 883423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1321500377 829778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: you're not from hexham are you < 1321500381 908619 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1321500391 469929 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm from london! < 1321500396 745716 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw here's what pseqs look like now: http://hpaste.org/54147 < 1321500426 151619 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so am I like the Michael Moore of the UK? < 1321500438 402480 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like... not quite as controversial? < 1321500462 628678 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think the UK, as a country, could actually support a figure describable as "the michael moore of the uk". < 1321500469 362761 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that's even mathematically possible < 1321500498 399857 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, give me an analogy < 1321500538 140496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i can analogise to a world so alien ;D < 1321500539 132413 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i can analogise to a world so alien ;D < 1321500540 683758 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1321500557 490919 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I find it difficult to wrap my head around the UK. < 1321500563 222521 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because it's a large mass of land. < 1321500575 173732 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adam Curtis seems more respectable perhaps? < 1321500578 276615 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or respected < 1321500785 613191 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Suggested a parallel between the rise of Islamism in the Arab world and Neoconservatism in the United States in that both needed to inflate a myth of a dangerous enemy in order to draw people to support them." < 1321500789 476888 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :tee hee hee < 1321500803 676427 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the description for The Power of Nightmares) < 1321500808 355317 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on Wikipedia) < 1321500837 831308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_so_ easy to godwin that < 1321500942 238188 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: apparently he is the /only/ famous Adam Curtis. < 1321500973 502744 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: s/he is/I am/ < 1321500992 220132 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that I'm not actually Adam Curtis. < 1321500995 169195 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I am Adam Curtis. < 1321501000 453129 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm sorry to disappoint you. < 1321501009 502244 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong < 1321501018 577395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely wrong < 1321501024 187761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're actually gleeful < 1321501138 200778 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I occasionally get weird reactions to my name. < 1321501153 386043 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not because it's the same as some kind of famous guy in the UK (no one in the US knows who that guy is) < 1321501162 986857 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but because it's apparently two first names or something. < 1321501255 709451 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt adam curtis is that well known in the UK either :P < 1321501313 857025 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh I recall from a previous conversation you saying that he was kind of well-known by people that know things. < 1321501327 746686 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something similar < 1321501344 944191 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess among people who know things about documentaries? < 1321501376 480468 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know things about documentaries? < 1321501449 595758 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay well this is good. this means I can go to the UK. < 1321501488 229416 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if my name were, say, Tony Blair I'd be more reluctant to go to the UK. < 1321501808 748426 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so let me get this straight < 1321501816 992707 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are more than two major parties in the UK? < 1321501821 420579 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than "WTF how do you *say* that" as a reaction. < 1321501821 571612 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mind blown. < 1321501833 11851 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: three. < 1321501839 411562 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is smaller than the other two. < 1321501839 569160 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1321501856 405151 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will probably never get elected again after this government < 1321501862 773763 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's almost like you can track the path I took on Wikipedia! < 1321501890 521999 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait you mean Conservative Party? I thought it was like... "the big one" < 1321501893 589320 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, how many Americans do you expect to say "Worcester" even vaguely reasonable? < 1321501910 388037 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reasonably, even. < 1321501987 494751 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: no, i mean the lib dems < 1321501998 344034 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the current government is a coalition between the conservative party and the liberal democrats < 1321502018 496650 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1321502036 315572 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it kind of crazy that the Labour party is socialist < 1321502037 493651 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1321502039 699083 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :socialist in name. < 1321502054 196030 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, in the US, socialist is like a synonym for "bad". < 1321502056 360228 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because you're used to American politics, where "socialist" is a curse word. < 1321502082 937396 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: it's really not. < 1321502088 281911 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not New Labour < 1321502123 366610 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1321502131 973567 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka Tony Blair? < 1321502138 701913 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should weird you out is the BNP. < 1321502139 846321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: basically they were useless for a few decades and then Tony Blair came along and they started calling themselves New Labour and became centre-right and got elected. < 1321502144 637919 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA "National Socialists". < 1321502153 470859 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: whut? < 1321502156 327108 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's weird as fuck. < 1321502170 134912 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think I've heard of those guys < 1321502175 484601 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: what, a political party getting popular and becoming crappier? < 1321502176 59736 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Something rather similar happened to the Republican party, actually. < 1321502178 578613 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHOCKING!!!! < 1321502184 92909 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hey guys let's be conservative now!" < 1321502198 381598 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: no it's more like "let's look more like the conservatives because they keep winning" :P < 1321502204 604718 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well.. was the republican party ever "socialist"? < 1321502220 300323 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: reminder that lincoln was a republican < 1321502229 487073 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes I know all that. < 1321502234 401519 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Not much *socialist*, but certainly very liberal on certain issues. < 1321502237 40536 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: In Canada, our opposition party is socialist < 1321502243 783711 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in their constitution, even < 1321502256 390659 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think the usa has ever experienced any kind of popularity for socialism < 1321502260 597333 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1321502268 830341 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :too capitalist pigdog. < 1321502269 693811 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much baggage < 1321502287 589001 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much captialsit gipgod < 1321502294 124450 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first sentence of their constitution, even < 1321502308 805234 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit were we all surprised last election < 1321502327 960759 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It did once. We called it the "New Deal". < 1321502333 844954 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: "WHEREAS the Provinces of Canada, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick have expressed their Desire to be federally united into One Dominion under the Crown of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, with a Constitution similar in Principle to that of the United Kingdom:"? < 1321502353 26521 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he means the party's constitution. < 1321502357 57750 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the party's < 1321502363 432057 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i dislike fdr but completely forget why < 1321502365 223735 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: oh :P < 1321502372 551933 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes more sense < 1321502373 960461 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to like < 1321502381 32294 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHEREAS we want a socialist opposition party < 1321502387 556954 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Probably the only notable action of his that's dislikable: Japanese internment camps. < 1321502388 161075 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and WHEREAS god help us if they get into government < 1321502390 953049 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BE IT HEREBY RESOLVED < 1321502402 466639 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he kind of started easing himself into a position of supreme authority. < 1321502406 524551 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or tried to. < 1321502479 834899 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. It shall be lawful for the Queen, by and with the Advice of Her Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Council, to declare by Proclamation that, on and after the passing of this Act, the Provinces of Canada, Nova Scotia, and New Brunswick shall form and be One Dominion under the Name of Canada; and on and after that Day those Three Provinces shall form and be One Dominion under that Name accordingly.(4) < 1321502489 564661 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: possible scam: check whether the queen actually declared that < 1321502519 518027 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4. Unless it is otherwise expressed or implied, the Name Canada shall be taken to mean Canada as constituted under this Act.(5) < 1321502519 706201 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, they preempted us making a nomic called canada and using the cosntitution's references to "canada" to take over! smart < 1321502552 964978 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think the US constitution does anything like that. < 1321502562 78628 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should devise a coup < 1321502563 421230 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: yeah but you guys don't follow yours < 1321502578 453330 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if that's the one goedel found < 1321502580 121587 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ha. ha. ha ha. ha ha ha. ha ha ha ha ha < 1321502586 570762 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny because it's true. also sad. :( < 1321502594 189769 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. < 1321502604 470070 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The issue is, Canada doesn't have a *single* constitution. < 1321502609 334763 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's like three Constitution Acts. < 1321502612 47232 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yes let's laugh, and then cry. < 1321502612 607606 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, suber reckons it was the constitution's self-amendment clause itself < 1321502621 543357 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I hope goedel would be smarter than that < 1321502623 51993 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, 2. < 1321502637 136167 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's this about Goedel? < 1321502644 807457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: saw a reference to this which is sort of the list version of PSeq: http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/thrist/0.2/doc/html/Data-Thrist.html < 1321502653 984292 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. < 1321502654 915758 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the problem with the constitution is that it's too liberal for neoconservatives. < 1321502660 448040 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm i think i've seen this < 1321502669 499252 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I've told you about the supreme court act, right? < 1321502669 800882 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the list version is easy ofc, it's doing it with a finger tree that's hard < 1321502677 178557 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: The problem with everything but a king by divine right is that it's too liberal for neoconservatives. < 1321502682 643793 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Don't *think* so. < 1321502683 94171 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you need /warrants/ to search and seize property? I mean come on. < 1321502715 377527 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://opendylan.org/~gabor/Thrist-draft-2008-07-18.pdf sigh, not found < 1321502718 48478 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: TERRORISTS ARE PLOTTING OUR END THIS VERY MINUTE. < 1321502720 180979 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: You need a /majority/ to pass a law? Come on. < 1321502735 945398 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So the constitution is defined by the Constitution Act, 1982, non-exclusively. It says "The following are part of the constitution" but it isn't exhaustive. The Constitution also says that the Constitution can only be amended with regards to the composition of the Supreme Court by unanimous consent of the provinces < 1321502757 35170 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/thrist/0.2/doc/html/Data-Thrist-Monad.html < 1321502758 237106 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :accordingly, no one knows if the Supreme Court Act is in the constitution or not, and so no one knows if it can be amended by Parliament or only by unanimous consent < 1321502769 25172 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: *Ouch*. < 1321502776 251481 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i suspect that's similar to the relation of arrows and monads... < 1321502798 609074 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the nonexhaustiveness is sometimes useful < 1321502814 754025 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, parliamentary privilege is taken to be a constitutional power, even though it's not written out in any statute < 1321502830 811848 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ha! they did thrist zippers. < 1321502832 209226 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with independence of the three branches < 1321502834 170272 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: does the UK have a supreme court thing? erase my ignorance. < 1321502842 404035 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: all our judging is done by a rabbit < 1321502849 541644 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes. < 1321502852 625737 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it all makes sense now. < 1321502856 886883 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: As of a couple years ago, they have a Supreme Court. < 1321502858 727880 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: It does now. < 1321502867 59600 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prior to that, they had the House of Lords. < 1321502868 93520 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :appointed? < 1321502871 363722 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like... < 1321502875 359125 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for a while it wasn't the entire House < 1321502878 375610 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a committee < 1321502879 477547 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thrist? < 1321502884 494053 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tony Blair or whoever appointed all the judges at once? nice move. < 1321502890 116484 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1321502890 814306 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. < 1321502891 319723 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, technically it *was*, but most of the house just didn't care. :P < 1321502927 221438 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, these things subsume vectors, I think < 1321502930 6475 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: as in, fixed-length < 1321502943 582126 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually FDRs "court-packing" bill would not have been a bad idea. < 1321502955 510141 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: data Vec a n n' where Elem :: a -> Foo a n (Succ n) < 1321502961 942161 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Supreme_Court#Appointments_process < 1321502966 632281 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: then PSeq (Vec a) Z len < 1321503006 218082 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: blah blah blah bureaucracy < 1321503058 840475 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: It seems that they seeded it with a selection of Law Lords from the House of Lords. < 1321503115 393760 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: damn, you're right < 1321503140 517769 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm this guy's blog makes the interesting point that they could be interesting to build applicative structurse and the like out of, because you can pull them apart as well as run them < 1321503146 252299 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :might make for an interesting esolang, especially the Seq version < 1321503276 282484 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's kind of weird that presidents are restricted to two terms now. < 1321503300 211426 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blame FDR. :P < 1321503303 706656 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand the rationale but I'm not really sure it makes any sense at all. < 1321503320 657525 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: blame the congress under FDR, more like. < 1321503348 639237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's less ridiculous than the russian mess < 1321503349 52212 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, personally I think it's weird that *only* presidents are restricted to two terms. < 1321503364 747361 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 *consecutive* terms. *groan* < 1321503376 694656 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :long live the Bush Dynasty. < 1321503385 825863 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh hm the thrist blog also points out that Show for these things is hard < 1321503386 99762 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: why is consecutive so weird? < 1321503397 809221 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because consider (5,id) <| (id, 42) <| empty < 1321503404 314157 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: also wasn't the point to avoid the president dying while in office thanks to constant reelection < 1321503405 281122 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :: PSeq (,) Int Int < 1321503417 82677 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you don't have forall a b. Show (a,b) obviously, you need a Show constraint on a and b < 1321503423 491402 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: okay so I think term restrictions for congress makes sense, but not for the president? does that make sense? < 1321503426 386158 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with that, you can't do it because of the above < 1321503443 414562 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Not really. < 1321503450 107465 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you need a pair that bundles the Show constraints basically :( < 1321503468 987460 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hmmm, perhaps it doesn't. < 1321503469 552783 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: consecutive? < 1321503487 913129 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Obama, Obama, Bachman, Obama. < 1321503490 634716 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Actually, the point of a two term limit was that it was tradition, so might as well make it binding after FDR had the audacity to violate it. < 1321503502 758276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah. btw i think the MetaPath has a similar need for the Exit class < 1321503511 853218 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Um, I'm pretty sure that's not possible < 1321503515 107079 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/audacity/popularity/ < 1321503517 480320 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Is in Russia! < 1321503517 653214 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i just added it to all the types < 1321503522 42521 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Also true. < 1321503580 123730 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: how is that not possible if the only restriction is a maximum of two consecutive terms? < 1321503593 715354 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the third is not consecutive. < 1321503612 899776 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just hasn't happened. < 1321503613 80530 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the restriction doesn't in fact say consecutive, as far as I'm aware? < 1321503624 985632 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: *It is in Russia*. < 1321503625 929445 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, yes it does. < 1321503637 540541 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmmm < 1321503641 774658 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The restriction in the US is two terms total. < 1321503647 660129 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did I think it was consecutive? :P < 1321503659 391451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: surely after Bachmann there won't be enough left of the USA to get another president. < 1321503661 393578 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i suppose I could just use http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/prelude-extras/0.1.0.2/doc/html/Text-Show-Extras.html#t:Show2 < 1321503664 874847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-n < 1321503665 642517 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Basically. < 1321503672 647482 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but actually no, Show2 isn't enough < 1321503678 896172 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because of that hidden type problem < 1321503683 553398 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: honestly Bachman is one of the better GOP candidates. sad right? < 1321503688 123028 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Probably our major territorial claim would be the moon. And that only on arguable technicalities. < 1321503728 631090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: as in "there's a treaty that says there is no claim in space"? < 1321503745 968755 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but our flags there!!! < 1321503756 723195 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: As far as the US is concerned, a "treaty" is "just a law" < 1321503765 667577 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can literally take back treaties. < 1321503770 234148 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, well... Fuck you all. < 1321503789 366893 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no, I don't understand the rational behind this) < 1321503795 447577 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, this logic continues to make sense once the US is gone (except for the moon, except the moon isn't US territory by treaty) < 1321503797 145421 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: aha! < 1321503814 894575 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: It continues to make sense if *most* of the US is gone. < 1321503817 851068 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Thrist (Monad' m) a b is actually (Kleisli m a b) < 1321503821 517560 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say we're left with Puerto Rico. < 1321503825 547630 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so the arrow relation is very strong < 1321503833 179562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh well, i suppose i vaguely taking back treaties _is_ permitted by international law < 1321503835 606678 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ah yes, our strong military center. < 1321503838 697105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*vaguely recall < 1321503856 822547 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Not so much "military center" as it is "likely to be ignored in global thermonuclear war" < 1321503877 185445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you mean Thrist (Kleisli m) ? < 1321503880 511231 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This time I shall prove my claim that in Haskell any Control.Arrow instance can be rewritten as a Thrist data structure." heh, neat < 1321503884 883817 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, < 1321503885 173585 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Monad' :: (* -> *) -> * -> * -> * where < 1321503885 305819 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feed :: Monad m => m b -> Monad' m a b < 1321503885 351139 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Digest :: Monad m => (a -> m b) -> Monad' m a b < 1321503928 56481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: er, a Thrist cannot be just Kleisli because Thrists can be picked apart again < 1321503930 260150 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hmmm, when can we submit to our robot overlords? I'm getting impatient with these imperfect humans. < 1321503945 438112 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh well I mean, is /run/ as (Kleisli m a b) < 1321503957 239334 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in some sense a thrist seems like inspectable composition < 1321503964 206139 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: First we need robot overlords. < 1321503996 971705 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would like inspectable functions < 1321503999 104274 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1321504013 74787 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Ew. < 1321504020 724126 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web would like to break parametricity. < 1321504044 185600 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And with it sane typing, security in an object-capability system, ... < 1321504056 221635 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parametricity? < 1321504099 397103 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At one point, I have thought about how one might go about sandboxing Picolisp < 1321504140 576398 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: surely robot overlordship is only NP-hard. < 1321504247 655830 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "So I am not in bad company announcing that I am preparing a paper about thrists which are the moral equivalents of free categories." < 1321504251 734018 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: *sigh* nothing new under the sun < 1321504281 786244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well i already vaguely knew about thrists < 1321504316 985783 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-74-65-236.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1321504317 31003 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-74-65-236.telstraclear.net QUIT :Changing host < 1321504317 31149 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1321504380 557123 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Finally, the category-theoretic twist: think of the parameter p as the morphisms of a category C (with C's objects being the morphisms' domains and ranges) then Thrist p is essentially the free category of C, often written as C*." < 1321504383 408719 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta love that "essentially" < 1321504418 458276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't i use the same word above for PSeq :P < 1321504450 49586 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so :) < 1321504767 798505 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, in C++ < 1321504782 133720 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: your 27th amendment is hilarious < 1321504788 62852 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I say "it's okay to change members of this referenced object, but not the entire thing itself"??? < 1321504857 792660 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't do that? okay. < 1321504863 892254 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask coppro < 1321504876 165148 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: lmao at that one < 1321504944 47505 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant scam there < 1321505048 687793 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh C++ WHY ARE YOU STUPID. < 1321505069 904415 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you using c=+ < 1321505101 401507 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: class < 1321505104 522883 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely you know this by now. < 1321505106 419094 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh / haha < 1321505117 395356 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I have had and will have classes that use c++ too < 1321505127 267575 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but presently the only one involving programming is python / it's just as bad < 1321505138 876928 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you don't get to laugh about C++ until you program in it. < 1321505147 227649 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, I've programmed in it! < 1321505170 570177 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, well then you should be crying in sympathy. < 1321505171 589236 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote an x86 compiler in it, albeit a simple compiler for a simple language < 1321505174 208315 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :isntead of laughing. < 1321505177 132014 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im laughcrye < 1321505212 769417 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Gaaah. < 1321505239 813071 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait so string literals are strings now and not chars? < 1321505243 273489 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er char *s < 1321505252 842841 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhweriuhwdihwierhiwuer < 1321505266 59290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1321505273 396120 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Neat scam at least. < 1321505284 166826 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it depend on where you put them < 1321505292 146162 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: deprecated conversion from string constant to ‘char*’ < 1321505299 253127 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no I thought they were always char arrays. < 1321505321 327110 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget how c++ does it < 1321505432 552198 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: They're const. < 1321505467 850573 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what is the good way to care about this? < 1321505478 623892 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is merely *noisier* about the UB than C in this regard. < 1321505535 649083 :calamari!~calamari@108.122.127.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1321505541 789401 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh look I think the code they provided us is broken < 1321505543 318203 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine. that. < 1321505564 32439 :DCliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1321505651 563648 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually no it has something to do with assigning a string to another string. < 1321505774 58009 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1321505792 910400 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what might cause assignment of a string to a string reference to segfault? < 1321505829 257799 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Any number of things, most of which involve someone doing nasty things to the STL class. < 1321506022 152417 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah and for my earlier question I believe I want const& < 1321506026 193192 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of const Type & < 1321506042 97809 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep < 1321506117 307203 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay well the string /exists/ < 1321506136 820600 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1321506145 371837 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the string I'm assigning to does not :P < 1321506153 899592 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :debugger ftw < 1321506205 31237 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: VAX < 1321506208 245746 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Booya) < 1321506208 752544 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: okay so when I say blah = new Type[size]; < 1321506210 76401 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Wow. < 1321506212 787691 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How? < 1321506222 24568 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Very, very poorly :P < 1321506222 876185 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that doesn't automatically construct a default instance of Type for every element in the array < 1321506226 835752 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1321506228 692608 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I may have to remove it if it makes the code too big ...) < 1321506237 261454 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But how did you do it :P < 1321506249 429803 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I actually search for the epilogue rather than just assuming it's right before the next function. < 1321506255 575472 :DCliche_!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1321506256 309736 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1321506273 868600 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't tested if it breaks everything else yet. < 1321506275 925873 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, also: clang < 1321506472 26199 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Yes, that *is* the semantics. < 1321506473 982944 :DCliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1321506505 173890 :calamari!~calamari@108.122.127.241 QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1321506515 157662 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you mean the construct-each-element thing is the semantics? < 1321506522 396928 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry it's kind of ambiguous . < 1321506526 260863 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Yes. < 1321506534 715150 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, okay. well now I know shit all about what's wrong. < 1321506545 369273 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I know the same amount about that, but now have no idea. < 1321506548 834763 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :on what to do. < 1321506865 440012 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaah. < 1321506878 274100 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a fun bug in their function. < 1321506885 380873 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that they gave us. < 1321506912 71822 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, elliott: I've more-or-less run out of architectures. < 1321506920 583142 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: MMIX, still! < 1321506924 570088 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: DAMN IT < 1321506927 514472 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot :P < 1321506955 414421 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Z80? < 1321506963 735783 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: PIC? (<-- JOKE) < 1321506984 591491 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But yeah, Z80 is a good 'un. < 1321506987 800257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: PA-RISC, too. < 1321506990 180834 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No 16-bit. < 1321507006 227592 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..................oh < 1321507009 937993 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like < 1321507010 492898 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :PA-RISC could be doable but I'd need a sim (at this point virtually all RISCs are a shoo-in) < 1321507018 51035 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how hash tables have a size and like < 1321507022 305134 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Z80 has 32-bit addressing, I'm pretty sure. < 1321507026 43547 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :your hash function can give you indices larger than your table? < 1321507036 101116 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I forgot to mod the index. < 1321507036 313805 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: No shit. < 1321507065 994903 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Hmm, OK, maybe not, but it's not thaaaat 16-bit. < 1321507070 597671 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PDP-11? < 1321507072 669850 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1321507081 428344 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: SIMH emulates a Z80: "SIMH emulates MITS Altair 8800 computer with Intel 8080, Zilog Z80 or Intel 8086 processors." < 1321507085 291873 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Not enough RAM. < 1321507087 123632 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, sure, it's 16-bit, but it's the PDP. < 1321507104 689367 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Orly? < 1321507111 91314 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So sayeth Gregor < 1321507119 733880 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses a 256-bit CPU. < 1321507124 419041 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: SuperH? < 1321507127 726295 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta address that RAM, man. < 1321507131 259061 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: As seen in the Sega Genesis! < 1321507137 708218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RISC, 32-bit. Should be trivial. < 1321507140 50998 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IA64! < 1321507143 891657 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And supports two endiannesses! < 1321507144 673948 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: sim < 1321507149 703511 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: (That doesn't suck foot) < 1321507159 698482 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably impossible anyways. IA64 makes x86 look normal. < 1321507166 637777 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://forums.evolutionm.net/ecuflash/220884-superh-emulator.html < 1321507172 433997 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: SuperH is the one also known as sh[34], right? < 1321507181 735821 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh, yeah < 1321507195 253988 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://omnimaga.org/index.php?topic=8015.0 ;; wow googline superh emulator produces such unreliable sourecs. < 1321507195 787836 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, I had trouble making a working cross-compiler for it. < 1321507196 772091 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sources. < 1321507202 893035 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Fair enough < 1321507203 531773 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: qemu has sh4 :P < 1321507226 702756 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has reached the "Other" section of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_instruction_sets :P < 1321507235 950436 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Are you sure you can't try the 6502? < 1321507240 334711 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You would be a hero. < 1321507272 935434 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely MMIX. < 1321507273 4804 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1321507283 192763 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't quite figure out the OS situation of MMIX >_> < 1321507289 445738 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I make a cross compiler with a C library? <_< < 1321507296 319110 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Dude, you WROTE JSMMIX. < 1321507301 352553 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you do to get that running? < 1321507309 104768 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, no const& is not what I want. < 1321507317 192743 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Switched to MIPS. < 1321507324 748062 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But more to the point, it never had an OS. < 1321507331 215877 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I distinctly recall a bash shell before you switched. < 1321507337 344798 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Uh, no. < 1321507342 296771 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not even close to close to that. < 1321507355 496358 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay then. < 1321507365 834086 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oooh... < 1321507375 234828 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Subleq. Before you laugh, there's a sort-of-C->Subleq compiler. < 1321507404 169821 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sort-of"? < 1321507406 450456 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PicoJava < 1321507410 266150 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Higher_Subleq < 1321507416 322534 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: More C than you might expect. < 1321507422 170944 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (Just skip straight to the examples) < 1321507435 193689 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: may require a C compiler to be written) < 1321507477 649428 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "The GNU Compiler Collection includes an MMIX back-end for its C/C++ compilers, contributed by Hans-Peter Nilsson and part of the main GCC distribution since late 2001. As of January 2011, the MMIX back-end to GCC continues to be actively developed and maintained by volunteers. < 1321507477 822475 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installation instructions for GCC + MMIX tools by Hans-Peter Nilsson. < 1321507477 867822 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :§3.17.26. MMIX Options for GNU GCC version 4.5.2 (GNU GCC Web site). < 1321507477 867989 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :§9.25. MMIX-dependent Features for GNU as from GNU binutils version 2.21, the assembler back-end for GNU GCC (GNU Binutils Web site). < 1321507479 150078 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The above tools could theoretically be used to compile, build, and bootstrap an entire FreeBSD, Linux, or other similar operating system kernel onto MMIX hardware, were such hardware to exist." < 1321507488 52518 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Not sure what to do for libc though >_> < 1321507488 606564 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1321507493 827981 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha < 1321507499 277265 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: newlib does mmix: http://cygwin.com/ml/newlib/2001/msg00577.html < 1321507500 147083 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as of 2011 < 1321507501 972126 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1321507502 924203 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2001 < 1321507513 754231 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But can I actually see its output X-P < 1321507525 187723 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: < 1321507525 472628 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MMIXware – Donald Knuth’s MMIX-SIM simple (behavioral) simulator, MMIXAL assembler, test suite, sample programs, full documentation, and MMMIX architectural (pipeline) simulator (gzipped tar file). < 1321507525 608880 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MMIXX – An X11-based graphics package contributed by Andrew Pochinsky of MIT’s Center for Theoretical Physics which, when combined with the MMIXware sources above, augments the MMIX virtual machine with a 640×480 pixel, true-color ‘virtual display’ (for UNIX/Linux). < 1321507560 829577 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dont' mean "can I simulate MMIX" < 1321507569 911563 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean "when I printf, will that go to real stdout" < 1321507574 804922 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :assignment operators in C++ are the hugest pain in the ass... < 1321507577 683482 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :newlib's default "system" is to stub out write. < 1321507601 215485 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Fair enough :P < 1321507610 64045 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/mmix-news.html < 1321507612 64816 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Definition of simple I/O, the runtime environment, and the simulator's online/offline iteraction commands (45KB) (final version, 31 August 2011) < 1321507616 81715 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could PROBABLY patch in a write? < 1321507616 432585 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, to be investigated tomorrow. < 1321507621 783738 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But I bet it already has a write(). < 1321507624 783348 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's only one MMIX machine :P < 1321507627 160365 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1321507633 136858 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either way, oh well, to be investigated tomorrow. < 1321507641 657722 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The current target date for the ultimate volumes is the year 2020, so there is plenty of time to do the conversion." -- ever the optimist. < 1321507646 863013 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The silly thing is it's practically guaranteed to work) < 1321507656 740000 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. One of the IOCCC entries was a Lisp quine. < 1321507672 311880 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a subset-of-Lisp interpreter in C sufficient to interpret itself. < 1321507679 561248 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Link :P < 1321507685 346274 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ioccc.org/2005/mikeash/mikeash.c < 1321507688 531661 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common Lisp. < 1321507777 171753 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to GCC, I have invalidlty used a member. < 1321507830 898875 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naughty naughty. < 1321507852 285860 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: mikeash! I have exchanged approx. ~50 words with that man. < 1321507907 298778 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Approximately approximately. < 1321507910 845552 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1321507928 656046 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They were all about Classic Mac OS binutils support, to my knowledge.) < 1321507995 165659 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www007.upp.so-net.ne.jp/eiji-y/vmmmix/vmmmix.html <-- hey look, somebody ported Linux to MMIX < 1321508056 793269 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Limmix. < 1321508072 274539 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You mean almost MMIX :P < 1321508074 274546 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www007.upp.so-net.ne.jp/eiji-y/vmmmix/problem.html < 1321508080 623940 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :'struth < 1321508240 982148 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :print ind < 1321508241 168551 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :$4 = -2939 < 1321508243 295241 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh.... < 1321508249 711576 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1321508431 280598 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess: the hash function they gave us can produce negative values. ??????? < 1321508466 115654 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there something wrong with negative values for hashes? < 1321508474 348744 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... < 1321508479 241946 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for hash table /indices/, yes. < 1321508479 729227 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :hashes are just piles of bits < 1321508491 729617 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: then just interpret them as unsigned numbers? < 1321508500 743017 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Racist! Hashes are Unicode code points! < 1321508633 498418 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :print key.data() < 1321508633 700475 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :$9 = 0x612288 "abbreviate" < 1321508639 955152 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :print location(key) < 1321508640 136306 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :$10 = -615167939 < 1321508642 298018 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice. overflow. < 1321508660 60858 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD JOB /PROFESSORS OF COMPUTER SCIENCE/ < 1321508704 921272 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/int/unsigned int/ < 1321508952 360795 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3000 `mod` 3000 < 1321508953 264579 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 < 1321509007 89895 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just making sure I'm sane. < 1321510446 940117 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 `div` 0 < 1321510447 868807 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: divide by zero < 1321510467 288736 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length [1 `div` 0, 1 `div` 0, 1 `div` 0, 1 `div` 0, 1 `div` 0] < 1321510468 216670 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 < 1321511237 259609 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :# time gcc -O3 full.c < 1321511237 384874 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc: Internal error: Illegal instruction (program cc1) < 1321511253 503202 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Epdeet < 1321511335 866399 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1145.44 real 1102.56 user 31.51 sys < 1321511532 212478 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1321511972 868550 :DCliche_!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: You are now graced with my absence. < 1321512123 205271 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1321512145 458014 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-61.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1321512417 286898 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. The total amount spent on NASA is $471 billion. < 1321512450 586158 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For comparison, DOD gets $685 billion a year. < 1321512454 530937 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imma be depressed now. < 1321512519 720330 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not about money, it's about taking things that people know about and cutting them so people know we're serious about saving money < 1321512522 520524 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the presidential limo < 1321512552 230890 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :presidential mini < 1321512583 862108 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: And not actually being serious, of course. < 1321512606 497098 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we *were* the military could reasonably get cut way the heck down. < 1321512617 191257 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1321512627 583576 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps, y'know, not being half of military spending internationally. < 1321514765 846488 :CakeProphet!~eris@h34.59.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1321514765 891843 :CakeProphet!~eris@h34.59.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1321514765 891980 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1321514811 132757 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so as consolation for the scandinavians < 1321514853 794225 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got roughly 1/3rd less fuel efficiency on this tank of gas than my previous. < 1321514871 768730 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All because of your maniac speed? < 1321514873 991202 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof that traveling quickly expends more energy than traveling slowly. < 1321514883 994453 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat that it has that dramatic of an effect. < 1321514894 462862 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: well I've been driving faster in general. < 1321514930 935579 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that calculation is just an estimate based on my current miles on this tank vs. fuel gauge position < 1321514936 963074 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I fill up tomorrow I can get an exact number. < 1321514937 8417 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also makes sense; the air resistance goes up, what, quadratically based on current speed? < 1321514947 491031 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue :P < 1321515138 311546 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: oh wait yes I do < 1321515147 208034 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: it also depends on surface area for drag. < 1321515214 617372 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it depends heavily on a mystical dimensionless ratio called the drag coefficient < 1321515221 234232 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I'm sure involves surface area somehow. < 1321515247 454189 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait no surface area is part of the actual drag equation along with the coefficient I think. < 1321515258 134399 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes it's v^2 < 1321515365 324294 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect the drag coefficient for my Honda Accord is pretty significant. < 1321515385 948826 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should do that golfball trick the MythBusters tried out to it. < 1321515415 685070 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that? < 1321515426 902583 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/10/mythbustersdimple_opt.jpg -- it's not just a drag-reducing method, it's also a fashion statement. < 1321515469 349531 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm drag coefficient for a 2002 Honda Accord Coupe is 0.32 < 1321515482 972693 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine that's similar to a 1998 Hinda Accord Coupe even though the body style is slightly different < 1321515495 209090 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ha. < 1321515498 407325 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful. < 1321515563 940747 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The show's team completely covered a last-gen Ford Taurus with modelers clay and figured out that it would achieve about 26 mpg at a constant 65 mph. They then went about adding over 1,000 dimples to the car's exterior. To keep the experiment consistent, all 1,082 dimples removed from the clay exterior were put in a box and set in the back seat so that the car would weigh exactly the same as before dimpling. The theory is that, like a golf ball, the dimples wo < 1321515564 127795 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :uld reduce the car's drag through the air, thus allowing it to travel the same distance at the same speed using less fuel. The result? Over 29 mpg." < 1321515590 442120 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1321515596 203492 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't quite recall what the original mpg figure for the car was before they covered it with that much clay though. < 1321515598 969108 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gosh there is a picture < 1321515601 153100 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a beautiful picture < 1321515606 425220 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did you see the computer fans with those dimples < 1321515607 849666 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're so ugly < 1321515623 455963 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nnno, I didn't. < 1321515625 842701 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/sharkoon-gg.jpg < 1321515628 160555 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :behold < 1321515655 739456 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sharkoon.com/sites/default/files/products/tl6s08_0.jpg < 1321515658 94779 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like it has a skin condition. < 1321515661 891879 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: bhehold even moreso < 1321515675 547682 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sharkoon.com/sites/default/files/products/big_sharkoon_silent_eagle_2.jpg dmiples < 1321515692 695824 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wow, they got that much fuel efficiency from a Ford? I'm impressed. < 1321515695 795177 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dmiples < 1321515703 900650 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to golf ballize my honda now. < 1321515714 647771 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :DMI, plz. < 1321515722 534676 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it would increase my top speed! < 1321515724 876206 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last picture is very artsy. < 1321515727 882586 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so perhaps I could hit 150. < 1321515772 721993 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously they should make cars like that. < 1321515798 455006 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine it's not even that expensive compared to the fuel savings over years of travel. < 1321516089 867973 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but < 1321516091 828168 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really ugly < 1321516274 161215 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh no < 1321516275 909600 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I wouldn't trust any MythBusters numbers as-is; there seems to be something called "FastSkinz" (ugh), some sort of a dimpled plastic wrap for cars, which according to one test doesn't do squat. < 1321516283 351712 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :American car culture will go into shock. < 1321516292 376820 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mybthusters < 1321516293 942386 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I just read that :) < 1321516303 931361 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fastskinz just makes me think of like < 1321516304 787137 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fastskinz < 1321516305 650020 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :peeling human skin < 1321516309 452424 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and burning it off and like < 1321516317 307160 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still kinda soggy and burnt < 1321516321 183200 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's made by SkinzWraps. < 1321516323 914914 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you layer it over your car in the blistering heat < 1321516325 325766 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: maybe mybthusters did better at the airodieyamicks < 1321516326 786339 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it sizzles slightly < 1321516330 946897 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it starts to get redder and less pink < 1321516333 59642 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fuses to your bonnet < 1321516341 812287 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it melts into the car and your car becomes part human and euuuugh < 1321516362 643877 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy i dont want to live any more < 1321516380 847059 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1321516393 956600 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cars are bad < 1321516400 26599 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1321516419 752375 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1321516428 398995 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fastskinz is literally just mass produced sheets that they apply to any car, it seems. < 1321516440 521302 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mythbusters created one for a specific body shape. < 1321516444 162672 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps there's a difference < 1321516477 676425 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's more than one way to skin a car. < 1321516489 167195 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did you envision that mental image well enough to < 1321516490 781792 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :be disgusted < 1321516492 886607 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha. ha. ha ha. ha ha ha. < 1321516493 574641 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only worsk with black car btw < 1321516499 211134 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I love peeling flesh. < 1321516504 534541 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1321516525 32185 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :will you be my friend? < 1321516553 99199 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1321516629 335739 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :flesh peels frend < 1321516639 619744 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bunrt peelt flesh cars frend < 1321516648 414859 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vroome vroome < 1321516651 24672 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"its fast" < 1321516688 787831 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is C++ so bad. < 1321516719 526447 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :because MSVC++ < 1321516728 764066 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1321516731 308267 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's not why. < 1321516736 444473 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because c++ < 1321516738 933437 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it doesn't tend to compile < 1321516739 466193 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has nothing to do with C++ actually. < 1321516744 33338 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1321516750 718646 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use GCC < 1321516753 509261 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :because typecasts < 1321516753 814276 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The US Air Force devised a non-random scheme for promotion. Photograph: David Moir/Reuters" --Guardian < 1321516754 491660 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is irrelevant < 1321516758 930915 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no not that either. < 1321516771 970572 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks usaf < 1321516772 322647 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :one particularly irksome thing is that string vs. char * stuff is stupid and annoying. < 1321516773 896684 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget how you're supposed to cast stuff properly in C++ in a way that it stops bitching at you < 1321516786 415703 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: C++ is so bad because it has no design direction and is far too big, complicated, and self-contradictory for any possible design direction < 1321516786 820909 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1321516796 630126 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes thank you. < 1321516798 416546 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is it. < 1321516805 280342 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you really want an explicit string class you should just stick with java < 1321516810 699286 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1321516811 752147 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: what < 1321516815 502936 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1321516817 903563 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1321516818 598628 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something that isn't C++ < 1321516822 338871 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll let elliott handle this. < 1321516823 527506 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :list of possible C++ criticisms: MSVC++, typecasts, no explicit string cast < 1321516827 575018 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the whole list < 1321516831 214920 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/cast/class/ < 1321516836 645833 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: do you not know the context of this discussion.... < 1321516839 726771 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also hasn't everyone used std::string for like the last < 1321516843 502857 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :decade??? or more? < 1321516844 65359 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: it's kind of: essential to: understand it < 1321516848 222968 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's an explicit string class for you < 1321516850 431465 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: apparently not. < 1321516864 864935 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i use C hence why i tend not to give a shit about using "string" < 1321516880 352344 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah USUALLY you don't use features of other languages < 1321516880 807245 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ifstreams constructor parameter is char *... also its << operator won't take strings I have to allocate an array with associated overflow problems. < 1321516881 559146 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a language < 1321516886 976773 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like perl ties don't appear much in my haskell code < 1321516887 390688 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whenever i have to typecast something in C++ that refuses to accept my casts, i just pull out the extern "C" block < 1321516898 504284 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: dude but they should < 1321516904 898276 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ties should be integral to Haskell programming. < 1321516912 954295 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: uh its like .cstr() or something to convert an std::string to const char * < 1321516917 80297 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not hard :P < 1321516926 906614 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I don't think ifstreams have << because... they're input streams < 1321516929 393889 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean >> < 1321516932 150625 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1321516949 798386 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.data() seems to work as well < 1321516949 929363 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++ confusion < 1321516952 630767 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the issue. < 1321516969 934527 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: "A global function with the same name exists in header . This global function provides a similar behavior, but with standard C++ string objects instead of c-strings: see getline (string)." < 1321516971 979972 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again, i'm someone who would rather shoot myself in the foot than fuck around with unnecessary OO-overhead < 1321516988 573907 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :grease "hardcore" monkey < 1321516988 786826 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: or: < 1321516989 596191 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/string/operator%3E%3E/ < 1321516999 902195 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have no idea how hard it was to type monkey properly < 1321517004 31118 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1321517011 66410 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :greasemonqy < 1321517015 317894 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; ;_; ;_; < 1321517017 186848 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh hi. < 1321517023 956566 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/iostream/istream/operator%3E%3E/ < 1321517025 3285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah they < 1321517026 548120 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can do strings?? < 1321517030 645602 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hi oh < 1321517082 899654 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: another problem with C++: its documentation requires me to read too much. < 1321517087 276222 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss stuff!! < 1321517123 921345 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1321517175 367133 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh data isn't null-terminated < 1321517177 303049 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cstr is < 1321517182 578073 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :c_str rather < 1321517257 9975 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but anyway, a legitimate complaint about C++: const < 1321517269 901207 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea, bad reality. < 1321517329 339147 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :const is also in C :p < 1321517452 805715 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1321517457 528944 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this makes things much better. < 1321518347 168664 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what happens when you try to compare an unsigned int with a signed int? < 1321518350 184480 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C. < 1321518669 523561 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get a warning < 1321518726 204210 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1321519463 292199 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you *might* get a warning < 1321520082 579010 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1321520345 492336 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Bath_Room_Blow_Jobs < 1321520355 564297 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all it really wants to do is link us to wikipedia < 1321522611 683820 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/Elman_srnn.png < 1321523308 952699 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1321524088 808477 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1321525476 942403 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1321526588 36440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1321527910 949519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1321528305 541487 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8BFF2.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1321529018 1150 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1321529220 411029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Phantom_Hoover < 1321529407 764949 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. < 1321529408 282913 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1321530474 441936 :artoct6!~a@cpe-76-171-199-3.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1321530612 964766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1321530829 545469 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1321530834 629466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1321530841 989565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm teaching at 12, so won't have much time to talk much < 1321530859 754307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actually, I've been here since last time I was here, just the connection here is really unreliable < 1321530867 628356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except when I was printing stuff or eating lunch) < 1321531053 722286 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you teaching? < 1321531345 164270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1321532106 228768 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The art of running away, it seems. < 1321532110 814810 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1321532197 165626 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1321532281 272443 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1321532482 798606 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → cake day < 1321532483 836123 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Client Quit < 1321532912 549670 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :An apt pupil, I see. < 1321533534 330496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :APT Guy? < 1321534562 733056 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Have you ever considered becoming an enterprise? < 1321534709 39267 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then, to boldly go where no nickname has gone before. Also, to detach the saucer, that's also a thing that gets done, ain't it. < 1321534727 425151 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes; once at light speed. < 1321534738 240479 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kid not. < 1321534745 200354 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. < 1321534746 496449 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/light/warp/ < 1321534767 218084 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Though highly unadvised, it was possible to separate the saucer from the stardrive section at high-warp velocities. Used by Jean-Luc Picard during the first encounter with the Q, the saucer was separated at a warp speed of 9.5. According to Data, it was highly impractical, but possible with no margin for error. The slightest mishap would have made this attempt deadly. It was also required to clear the saucer section from the stardrive section to < 1321534767 354725 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ensure safety, because as soon as separation was over, the saucer section would start to lose speed, causing danger to the stardrive section. However, Picard was able to successfully separate the saucer in order to protect the families of the Enterprise from the immense power of Q. (TNG: "Encounter at Farpoint") " < 1321534767 465743 :poia!genio@net-2-40-28-219.cust.dsl.teletu.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1321534774 537815 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`@ poia ? welcome < 1321534781 95926 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :poia: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1321534783 282652 :artoct6!~a@cpe-76-171-199-3.socal.res.rr.com QUIT : < 1321534867 828761 :poia!genio@net-2-40-28-219.cust.dsl.teletu.it QUIT :Client Quit < 1321536478 127513 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1321537242 864800 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1321537285 89719 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1321537543 384710 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Works on SH4 (had my x-compiler building at night :P ) < 1321537557 948219 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: lol < 1321537614 767715 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How about... one of Intel's RISC processors? I THINK one of them has their own architecture :P < 1321537624 143351 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TBH RISC is sooooo boring though. < 1321537629 961909 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :RISC is easy, yeah. < 1321537639 14849 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_iAPX_432 < 1321537643 622546 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO IT. < 1321537644 460425 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :z/Series does /not/ work, by the way :P < 1321537691 809356 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Software running on the 432 does not need to explicitly deallocate objects that are no longer needed, and in fact no method is provided to do so. Instead, the microcode implements part of the marking portion of Edsger Dijkstra's on-the-fly parallel garbage collection algorithm (a mark-sweep style collector). The entries in the system object table contain the bits used to mark each object as being white, black, or grey as needed by the collector. < 1321537695 832650 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Holy shit this thing is the best??? < 1321537734 135959 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Architecture with OO memory. Wow < 1321537761 706196 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Garbage-collected OO memory :P With built-in IPC < 1321537817 110655 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_i860 The other VLIW Intel processor! < 1321537836 212119 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other horrible failure of a VLIW Intel processor! < 1321537880 381315 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Are you not even gonna test on a PDP btw? :P < 1321537901 390067 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PDP, VAXen, and x86 = the world, several times over. < 1321537940 681249 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1321538167 827494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1321538188 441854 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1321538237 495155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1321538249 194465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I was teaching some first-year Java students recursion < 1321538272 38207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(elliott: it is /so annoying/ to see a question you can easily answer, and not be able to answer it because your Internet connection is refusing to work) < 1321538278 630323 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1321538325 906496 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Test on the TI TMS320C64x, it's the non-failure non-Intel VLIW. (It's the DSP they have in OMAP3/OMAP4 and therefore in gazillions of mobile phones.) < 1321538419 339196 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's the recommended cure if you start thinking about how wonderful ursala's data model is? < 1321538460 105466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually using it < 1321538471 314824 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh < 1321538482 396832 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but i only like one bit of it! ok, I like the other bits too, but in a totally different way. < 1321538492 736477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which bit do you like? < 1321538542 252856 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the data model < 1321538547 676994 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just said that! < 1321538555 904903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I meant actually using the data model < 1321538560 711961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not actually using the language < 1321538584 767506 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you "use" a data model? that's rather under-the-hood stuff < 1321538615 167222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… I'm beginning to think that the whole static vs. dynamic typing argument is missing the point < 1321538622 736732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that what the two sides are arguing aren't mutually exclusive < 1321538627 653653 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1321538641 302918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^ only tangentially related) < 1321538662 457557 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: /me thinks http://cdsmith.wordpress.com/2011/01/09/an-old-article-i-wrote/ is relevant < 1321538668 604171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, hmm, you could write a language using the model < 1321538685 921139 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a conditional is dynamic typing < 1321539025 497450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Gregor: "The i860 did see some use in the workstation world as a graphics accelerator. It was used, for instance, in the NeXTdimension, where it ran a cut-down version of the Mach kernel running a complete PostScript stack. However, the PostScript part of the project was never finished so it ended up just moving color pixels around. In this role the i860 design worked considerably better, as the core program could be loaded into the cache < 1321539025 669336 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and made entirely "predictable", allowing the compilers to get the ordering right." < 1321539106 368170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor's quest for portability is rather madder than mine < 1321539119 401492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just planning to check Linux-x86, Linux-ARM, and Windows-x86 < 1321539133 161245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly Linux-x86_64 too, I guess < 1321539142 147134 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you're not writing a JIT < 1321539152 944971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm planning to run a bunch of different compilers, as it's more a compiler thing that I'm exploiting than an arch thing < 1321539160 173217 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a massively portable JIT with no platform-specific code is more impressive than a C program just working on a bunch of architectures < 1321539196 311197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, indeed < 1321539213 400859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think Gregor testing on a bunch of archs is correct, it'll lead to a more hilarious hints file < 1321539258 262154 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which will then be massively elided by the judges? :P < 1321539289 647146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, they have no motive to elide it but to save a tiny amount of bandwidth < 1321539320 480584 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: except that the hints files always include judge's comments and "/selected/ author's comments" < 1321539337 899042 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which never make sense as a complete hints file to send in because they're missing tons of information, usually things the judges have already stated in their own words earlier < 1321539338 922845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but why would they deselect an arch list? < 1321539346 911940 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: readability? < 1321539389 618490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not too hard to mentally skip over an arch list < 1321539422 754862 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't understand why we have editors when I have Ctrl+F < 1321539457 186696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, I don't typically use editors for /reading/ files < 1321539465 857559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :relatedly, why doesn't less do syntax highlighting? < 1321539485 605304 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there really needs to be a way to indicate bad jokes as separate from being dumb < 1321540069 57098 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1321540239 391810 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I had to walk my gran < 1321540250 779931 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still need to rewrite my comments to be more amusing. < 1321540259 113291 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: I ... what? < 1321540271 533396 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :She's got a bad leg < 1321540299 852258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what's the chance that elliott and Ngevd have met each other in real life but didn't recognise each other? < 1321540307 645448 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: too high < 1321540309 37318 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think people only use the word "walk" as transitive verb when they're referring to pets :P < 1321540309 721577 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite likely < 1321540322 278749 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham's not a big place < 1321540349 607365 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :# time gcc -O1 full.c < 1321540349 747617 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1297.88 real 1246.13 user 34.41 sys < 1321540363 919167 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Wow, what :P < 1321540368 825371 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: VAX < 1321540372 671124 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noice. < 1321540376 120038 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PDPDPDPDPDPDPDP < 1321540388 7779 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, how's your IOCCC entry going? < 1321540393 989694 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: I'm talking about it right now :P < 1321540414 215276 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: x86[_64], SPARC, MIPS[el], ARM, PowerPC[64], Alpha, VAX < 1321540421 380241 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1321540425 654947 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could compile it... < 1321540440 959705 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On ALMOST ALL THE COMPUTERS I OWN < 1321540457 595958 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about ALL THE 32-bit computers you own? < 1321540490 755422 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: What computer do you own that isn't one of those? An Amiga? < 1321540500 498252 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commodore? Atari? I can't think of anything not really old. < 1321540513 320812 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wii? DS? not sure if they even apply < 1321540537 427475 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DS is ARM. < 1321540548 51609 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, two different, incompatible ARMs. < 1321540554 308335 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running simultaneously. < 1321540574 148210 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wii is PPCish. < 1321540579 102534 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, I've got computer that I don't know the architecture of < 1321540583 725912 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost certainly PPCish enough to run my JIT. < 1321540585 100742 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost certainly PPCish enough for Gregor's JIT to work :P < 1321540585 528805 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And an XBox 360 < 1321540588 141782 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOLY SHIT Gregor < 1321540590 380346 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THOSE SENTENCES < 1321540591 427476 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PERFECTLY < 1321540594 827866 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MATCHED UP < 1321540595 260923 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR < 1321540596 664186 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1321540599 244500 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOUR WORDS < 1321540600 323851 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JESUS < 1321540605 12215 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT WAS LIKE < 1321540606 436368 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUANTUM < 1321540608 724582 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENTANGLEMENT < 1321540609 556782 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OF WORDS < 1321540616 860755 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, entanglement < 1321540618 137281 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Eks bawks: Also PPCish < 1321540667 215457 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relatively old iPod Nano? < 1321540669 807322 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's PS3? Oh, Cell. < 1321540676 997540 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... PPCish. < 1321540686 868492 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, SUN cc's option to not align memory is -misalign. < 1321540693 144993 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, all the modern game systems are PPCish. < 1321540701 201388 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: ARM: "The iPod Nano uses a PortalPlayer PP5021C "system on a chip" with dual embedded 80 MHz ARM 7TDMI processors." < 1321540708 683777 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my oldish computer uses ARM < 1321540719 415854 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I doubt, unless it's a netbook. < 1321540735 724103 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a Samsung SoC in the second-generation Nano. < 1321540737 175645 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got two stickers on it saying "ARM" < 1321540742 440345 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARM-based, of course. < 1321540749 369242 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Get Deewiant to test it on OpenSolaris, then you can say you've tested it on REAL UNIX. < 1321540754 304258 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :REAL SHIT UNIX < 1321540764 674404 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm actually on Purdue's Solaris right now :P < 1321540768 236491 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hence my SUN cc comment. < 1321540777 721227 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But that's not Open! < 1321540780 51407 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, they say AMD < 1321540788 779857 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMD, ARM, what's the diff < 1321540789 137672 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also, surely "Sun cc". < 1321540803 430049 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is x87 < 1321540807 634302 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*86 < 1321540808 379719 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's the one that comes in the SUNcc package. < 1321540814 651211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sun C compiler" seems to be what Sun called it, but really, SUNcc? < 1321540820 905834 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's internals :P < 1321540842 786470 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: At the MOST, I'll settle for SUN CC. < 1321540853 782040 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sunc. < 1321540868 366533 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, make it able to be compiled on my digital watch and I'll be amazed < 1321540874 82878 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Sunc is the premier compiler for the Itanic. < 1321540880 691859 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: What model :-P < 1321540894 828064 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, some sort of Casio < 1321540897 158277 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has a compass < 1321540912 492864 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet that describes ~1,000,000 models of watch. < 1321540915 732091 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll make it run on the compass. < 1321540922 244887 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using only magnetism for computation. < 1321540955 648187 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about z80? I think TI still makes e.g. the TI-84+ calculator based on that, so it's not "really old". Of course it's not 32-bit, and the computerness is arguable. < 1321540965 848258 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it run on GBA SP? < 1321540973 536675 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You should find a way to make it run on reality itself, answering such pressing questions as "is reality a RISC?", "what do reality's function prologues look like?", and "can reality segfault?". < 1321540977 598197 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GBA is an ARM too. < 1321540985 605359 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I told Gregor Z80, he said waaah address space. < 1321540988 183770 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the world's an ARM. < 1321540989 440855 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said it's big enough. < 1321540992 128296 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor said nothing. < 1321540998 516054 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT SNOT. < 1321541005 870488 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How can you even use more than like 16 megs of ram < 1321541018 809118 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z80 address space is 64K though. < 1321541026 192694 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eZ80 goes up to 16M. < 1321541028 349041 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Allocating things as [W] where W = 9<<16 :P < 1321541049 975178 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That'll work for the 16 meg one, no? < 1321541093 777789 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And the other thing I allocate as 9<<25 :P < 1321541102 254590 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowait, I changed that to 9<<16 too ... < 1321541116 601174 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Just do malloc(SLIGHTLYLESSTHANW) if it fails :P < 1321541144 202019 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I PROBABLY need about 3MB. < 1321541151 697585 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So eZ80 will work! < 1321541156 444160 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Grinten_projection Wow, this is definitively the worst map projection /ever/. < 1321541169 236972 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy crap agreed < 1321541176 606712 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being vandalised by xkcd morons >_> < 1321541179 572209 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solaris mmap doesn't like -1 as protection modes :P < 1321541205 36227 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: It has all the advantages of Mercator with none of the advantages of Mercator! < 1321541228 604352 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sun CC seems to generate the most retarded function epilogue imaginable ... < 1321541233 784191 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the projection that's like those triangles < 1321541237 766483 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2fed4: 81 c7 e0 08 ret < 1321541237 901551 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2fed8: 81 e8 00 00 restore < 1321541238 20191 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2fedc: 81 c7 e0 08 ret < 1321541238 65703 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2fee0: 81 e8 00 00 restore < 1321541238 65860 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2fee4: 00 01 00 00 illtrap 0x10000 < 1321541238 243478 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2fee8: 00 01 00 00 illtrap 0x10000 < 1321541240 256455 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2feec: 00 01 00 00 illtrap 0x10000 < 1321541242 236794 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2fef0: 00 01 00 00 illtrap 0x10000 < 1321541244 248768 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2fef4: 00 01 00 00 illtrap 0x10000 < 1321541252 887071 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what C compilers there are for eZ80, though, other than Zilog's own best-name-ever "eZ80ZDS0100ZCC" compiler. < 1321541272 448634 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eZ80ZDS0100ZCC might just be the best name for a compiler, ever. < 1321541280 853117 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Dymaxion was a strange dude. < 1321541297 637643 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: HOW IS IT ACTUALLY CALLED eZ80ZDS0100ZCC < 1321541319 560270 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Dymaxion's a brand name. You mean Buckminster Fuller < 1321541321 320147 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a component for the ZDS, the Zilog Developer Studio. I suppose they don't use the full name much. < 1321541328 145831 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's what the title of the manual is. < 1321541360 775461 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: suffer through painful irl laughter at that name with me, please < 1321541364 847854 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm not sure what C compilers there are for eZ80, though, other than Zilog's own best-name-ever "eZ80ZDS0100ZCC" compiler. < 1321541379 782937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh right, just realised what you were referring to < 1321541383 73243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am indeed IRL laughing < 1321541395 323003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's not that painful, and I managed not to be drinking water at the time < 1321541404 888098 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly the prose only refers to it as "eZ80 C-Compiler", but that's more of a description than a name. I guess it's a matter of semantics. < 1321541411 647596 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to call @'s compiler @kjsdf'sd;sa;d'\glsd;ghkshlang < 1321541418 312538 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry need some numbers in there < 1321541419 688674 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to call @'s compiler @kjsdf'sd;sa;d'\glsd;ghkshlang2347839423 < 1321541457 25387 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I bet the developers working on it anthropomorphise it with a name as catchy as it has. < 1321541466 728501 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh, little old eZ80ZDS0100ZCC's broken again..." < 1321541693 740505 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, AVR32 is a modern 32-bit instruction set you don't have in your list. And it runs Linux and all. < 1321541723 541652 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1321541749 375358 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ^ < 1321541904 96454 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That, and I guess you could consider m68k too. I mean, sure, it's quite obsolete, but VAX. < 1321541929 459375 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggested that upon-a-time. < 1321541993 564767 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Petergray8 < 1321541995 628414 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst person < 1321542001 198053 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ClueBot_Commons&diff=prev&oldid=461104563 < 1321542005 228653 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolute worst :'( < 1321542018 949709 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the hell creates a wp account to vandalise anyway :P < 1321542117 93479 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly he considers it not vandalism. There are many kinds of folks. < 1321542272 745016 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:46, 17 November 2011 95.149.230.3 (Undid revision 461104069 by Petergray8 (talk)) (Tag: section blanking) < 1321542272 901405 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:00, 17 November 2011 Petergray8 (http://www.xkcd.com/977/) < 1321542272 950047 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:57, 17 November 2011 ClueBot NG (Reverting possible vandalism by Petergray8 to...) < 1321542272 950200 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:57, 17 November 2011 Petergray8 (http://www.xkcd.com/977/) < 1321542282 187971 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I think he's thinking now: IT KEEPS HAPPENING. < 1321542865 786483 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1321543162 194200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no problem with Cluebot arbitrarily removing out-of-place xkcd links < 1321543201 917214 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-5.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1321543441 239689 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1321543446 200529 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Avid Reader of XKCD and believe anything stated there should be paralleled here as well." --Petergray8, describing himself, a bad person < 1321544340 913568 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-5.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1321544377 51745 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: STATUS REPORT < 1321544412 403284 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to look at the Fentiman's offices today < 1321544423 696574 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But their floor was being painted < 1321544519 150815 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-5.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1321544722 801955 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :crosstool-ng seems indecisive about whether it can make an m68k target ... < 1321545512 486716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523\unfoog < 1321545913 495087 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: Was there ever a foog clan? < 1321545925 45826 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1321545938 764276 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, you can watch me play on termcast.org, I'm termcasting < 1321545948 415709 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might help me stay awake. < 1321545966 824227 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :, he says, tuning into Sokoban. < 1321545978 956116 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's /that/ Sokoban level I'm in < 1321545982 866282 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one that everyone hates < 1321545991 622731 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have the solution mostly memorised by now < 1321546021 896203 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAEB523 is also termcasting < 1321546071 90855 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What clan is e in? < 1321546075 497171 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clan bot < 1321546081 322201 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :founding and only member < 1321546106 378118 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to persuade xaiph to join, but she doesn't understand ssh < 1321546109 285764 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: How lonely. Can I join? I guarantee I am not distinguishably better at playing NetHack than a bot :-) < 1321546120 137842 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, umm, you aren't a bot < 1321546134 915942 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you're saying it's a speciesist clan? < 1321546142 718615 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott can pass the turing antitest < 1321546153 828605 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote turing.*Sgeo < 1321546154 45563 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1321546156 175992 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :445) Will anyone be irritated if I tend to disconnect and reconnect a lot? [...] we _almost_ have an established policy that bots will be banned it they do that. which means we might have to administer a turing test to sgeo, and that could get ugly. < 1321546165 12256 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: I protest? < 1321546165 146015 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what I did there < 1321546180 758591 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should be able to do the Sokoban levels by just vaulting over the pits. < 1321546183 34171 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a turing antitest would be lost by humans really easily < 1321546196 36648 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you can do the first one like that; the others, though, you get dragged down by air currents < 1321546201 510408 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Turing antitest would be some long equation with a lot of digits that's really easy to compute. < 1321546223 465393 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or for NetHack bots, something along the line of "calculate the distance between the two staircases, you have 0.001 of a second, go!" < 1321546228 469215 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1321546265 477844 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(TAEB523 would probably lose that one, incidentally; it doesn't calculate distances in steps) < 1321546285 934553 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and uses really heavy caching to optimise distance lookups, and the cache takes several seconds to build) < 1321546329 951997 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: TAEB523 is Planar, presumably? < 1321546340 50793 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1321546360 59176 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how I can tell whether you've noticed I've typed something or not because you stop moving in the termcast. < 1321546366 951872 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the Planar bots have had 523 in their name < 1321546388 498166 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: Was that zombie invisible? < 1321546393 439483 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1321546399 301838 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were two of them, they didn't last long < 1321546403 349064 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very lightly-coloured, by any chance? < 1321546408 915951 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on a white-backgrounded terminal. < 1321546414 455257 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're white < 1321546425 265408 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: aha! < 1321546430 81613 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack sends foreground color codes but not background color codes < 1321546437 102246 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: you thought you could pass the turing test! < 1321546447 76156 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: good; I would have disconnected if it forced me to look at a black background < 1321546455 340831 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now most of the screen is legible, rather than none of it < 1321546470 774613 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AceHack sets background too because you never set one without the other < 1321546480 251749 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm thinking of allowing you to swap two color codes for terminal native background/foreground < 1321546499 982706 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: yes, that's one of the main things that annoys me about acehack. < 1321546514 326936 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that it's possible to clash badly with background colours doesn't mean "impose /more/ of my preferences rigidly" is the correct solution < 1321546528 969377 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more a case of "impose preferences without which the game doesn't work" < 1321546536 524082 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably, the game should be fixed to work with a white background too < 1321546541 853214 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm thinking about ways to do that < 1321546646 97683 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The worst part of termcast compared to NAO is that I can't annoy people by sending them in-game mail. < 1321546651 206945 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1321546677 703902 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, you're walking outside the map. Stop it. < 1321546685 818087 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I'm not < 1321546697 672378 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do you think the map /is/? < 1321546707 529439 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: You punched holes in the map! < 1321546709 897688 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not natural! < 1321546724 688724 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1321546731 226009 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my terminal just desync'd somehow < 1321546739 704447 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1321546743 250282 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just redrew < 1321546814 115790 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the collective name for snakes is. < 1321546828 324892 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the collective name for mice is "friendship", as in "a friendship of mice". < 1321546904 219865 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-5.elisa.ee PART :#esoteric < 1321546915 598770 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if I'll ever cast knock? < 1321546922 493804 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: hmm, are you playing at >80x24? < 1321546929 490290 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's useful as I have no other method of unlocking things, but a valk's unlikely to get it castable for ages < 1321546933 682545 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I'm playing at 80x24 exactly < 1321546942 870704 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is the norm for termcasts < 1321546948 911048 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, my terminal was 22 high < 1321546949 853445 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how strange < 1321546957 441659 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hmm, BoH variant, I may be in trouble if I don't find an asc kit item soon (BoH isn't urgent) < 1321546961 910457 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you redraw again? :P < 1321546966 471475 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1321546967 126419 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1321546992 332526 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shall I do this trapping two boulders (the way everyone does it) or trapping no boulders (which is about twice as long, but massively impressive)? < 1321547034 378014 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: I'm biased because watching people play Sokoban is not terrible interesting < 1321547039 328738 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but impressiveness is always good I suppose < 1321547042 877453 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1321547046 632988 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/terrible/terribly/ < 1321547076 780412 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should do it my way (well, it was the other map), which is trapping like fifty boulders, ending up with too few, and killing one of your five kittens in the process of getting more. < 1321547090 357891 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1321547139 424361 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, I haven't messed this up, have I? < 1321547152 643551 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It... looks sort of messed up, but I'm no expert. < 1321547182 932364 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'll trap one < 1321547262 941473 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still better than the usual solution where two are trapped < 1321547267 897165 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what I remembered wrong? < 1321547278 924445 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I watch? < 1321547282 494549 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You forgot the five kittens. < 1321547283 754063 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: telnet termcast.org < 1321547285 126637 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: $ telnet termcast.org < 1321547288 582087 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then press the letter for ais523 < 1321547325 567241 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watching < 1321547498 393751 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, it did come in useful, as well < 1321547541 366157 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :El-berhte/ehlbereth0EleberthElerberetheElber*(48thEeb*($H$)XthElbereth < 1321547737 674217 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on, first time I do the Sokoban zoo without waking it, and there's a leprechaun blocking the door to the prize < 1321547821 58685 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, did I just eyebump? < 1321547824 398174 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could have gone a lot worse < 1321547936 337488 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1321548062 935902 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :raven get out of the dungeon < 1321548065 520942 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dont belong here.. < 1321548277 308364 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1321548415 200131 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay mines, full of nice hapyp gomes < 1321548420 599891 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gomes like Ngevd < 1321548444 316176 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I possibly won't even mercilessly slaughter them! < 1321548459 91058 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing about being lawful in NetHack, is that monsters believe you'll be law-abiding regardless of whether you actually are or not < 1321548463 1928 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog does not know the delights of being at peace with the gnomes. < 1321548499 354176 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, ais523\unfoog's gratuitous use of ctrl+move makes me feel better about my constant usage of it < 1321548517 323019 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why press a direction key twice when you can combine it with ctrl instead? < 1321548518 551314 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I'd be using autoexplore sometimes if it existed in vanilla < 1321548529 993355 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: farmoving is safer than spamming a key < 1321548538 942813 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it stops when you're in trouble, unlike holding the key down < 1321548578 405013 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would like roguelikes a lot more if they didn't involve so much micromanagement of simple map navigation < 1321548598 661260 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should just be able to glance at a tile and say "over there" and be walked there. :p < 1321548655 729357 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can, that's what the _ command is for; it's just that specifying the tile needs cursor movement or a click < 1321548693 783094 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: well, yes; that's considerably more work than glancing :) < 1321548716 731313 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :combine it with a gaze sensor? < 1321548729 25699 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus speech recognition!! Best roguelike! < 1321548756 904399 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :speech recognition would get wearing quickly < 1321548774 592185 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grunt recognition. < 1321548794 839337 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, Manlobbi, my pickaxe is outside < 1321548800 992568 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't worry, I'm not actually planning to take it out of the bag) < 1321548884 282969 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find Minetown's design somewhat perplexing. < 1321549022 290657 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1321549031 896982 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the portal is a /dev/null thing, I think it's just placed randomly on the level < 1321549063 461281 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, I can't BCU it without buying it < 1321549092 67247 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: hmm, don't recall a portal :) but i've only been idly watching < 1321549100 119828 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the pink ^ < 1321549153 592310 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. what does it do? < 1321549180 146512 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes to the digdug challenge < 1321549182 717684 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is stupidly luck-based < 1321549207 27494 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering whether to risk trying it; I can't remember if failing it can still leave you permanently trapped (I'm guessing no) < 1321549227 13929 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :failing it /does/ make the current game basically unwinnable until you go succeed at it on another server < 1321549255 444684 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I really want a ?oCharging before I try it, and I won't have one of those IDed for ages < 1321549260 288421 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, Dx:15 < 1321549261 507876 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1321549263 182356 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I risk it? < 1321549268 395759 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: yes < 1321549285 29678 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: this reply does not consider your current situation; it is based purely on the structure of the question) < 1321549293 768716 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1321549326 455445 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, let's try it < 1321549362 965659 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know it's good when it starts with an elbereth < 1321549389 652094 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spawned next to a monster < 1321549398 478519 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had no other real choice < 1321549409 782925 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott test < 1321549410 374672 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell yourself! < 1321549412 854096 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1321549419 877910 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :qqq < 1321549421 670709 :qqq!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott test < 1321549422 252293 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1321549423 246005 :qqq!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1321549425 678955 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1321549426 301321 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1321549428 950820 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1321549531 457325 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: i love distorted elbereths < 1321549556 448849 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elbeeth < 1321549584 447203 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, failed < 1321549592 697309 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid luckbased missions < 1321549602 810824 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I just ruin anouther tournament game for you? < 1321549607 64783 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, unless I can wrest it to death < 1321549620 499083 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing happens < 1321549628 326215 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a 1/121 chance something happens < 1321549632 935519 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's got to happen eventually < 1321549633 242318 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good < 1321549643 740404 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack needs control structures < 1321549646 362099 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, and it missed anyway < 1321549689 604729 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is so funny < 1321549726 507108 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, /now/ I'm screwed < 1321549739 534120 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: try poking itto death < 1321549746 882148 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't win the challenge if you do that < 1321549750 141673 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're rather easy to kill with HP < 1321549761 474768 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that just makes sure you lose < 1321549808 154211 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, that was a really crazy offchance and it /actually happened/ < 1321549822 56228 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what happened? < 1321549833 222967 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :random unIDed !oPoly while wearing an unIDed =oPC < 1321549835 600361 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure pooka is fooled < 1321549851 330252 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I lost anyway due to being hit too muich < 1321549851 607632 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wh00ps < 1321549852 907793 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*much < 1321549865 321058 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry about your game < 1321549878 200556 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to go play on a different server to recover from that < 1321549882 656041 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb, startscumming wizards < 1321549897 470783 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1321549901 129957 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :taeb523 is ugly on this terminal < 1321549990 969994 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm going to startscum wizards on clan EIT's server < 1321550015 156419 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches < 1321550078 276603 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?oCharging is quite rare < 1321550078 749419 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1321550082 401171 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it makes the challenge much easier < 1321550091 857323 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, more likely to win < 1321550095 655603 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really a skill-based challenge < 1321550129 17323 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: grr, that "would you like to return" message is missing a space and uses (y/n) in place of the proper [yn] < 1321550135 340221 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1321550148 4895 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, makes me press return after typing y, unlike every other prompt in NetHack < 1321550240 977904 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: that's more understandable, it takes more than a few chars of patch to fix that :) < 1321550247 393906 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: also, it has two spaces after the prompt... < 1321550284 986674 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, why does ?oCharging have to be so rare < 1321550293 625576 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and /oDangerouslyInflate so low on charges < 1321550314 788544 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wand of dangerously inflate is definitely name of the century imo < 1321550338 470614 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that name is the only good thing about the digdug challenge ;) < 1321550352 669117 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /suspect/ you aren't supposed to be able to trivialise the movement around the level with E-coining < 1321550358 357703 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, i just realised what @'s equivalent of database indexes, and the answer makes me very happy < 1321550365 500693 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/indexes/indexes is/ < 1321550469 697309 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1321550496 9155 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woohoo < 1321550509 985049 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I have to somehow survive to the challenge < 1321550520 721826 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given how awful the rest of that inventory is < 1321550526 279218 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can have fun with +oFear after a while, at least < 1321550570 552463 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, now I have to remember how to play wizard < 1321550625 372278 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kitten why are you fetching gems, you know they're worthless < 1321550636 322681 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1321550658 622292 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better < 1321550665 360111 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to give cats female names, for whatever reason < 1321550678 317575 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may rewrite Homestuck as a epic poem < 1321550696 290558 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: because kitten is not smart kitten is just happy??? < 1321550704 504931 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the style of, for example, the Odyssey < 1321550707 571601 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gems are pretty............ < 1321550724 637380 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tell me muse, of the tale of Sburb" < 1321550725 668509 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i am projecting onto the kitten) < 1321550747 844060 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :she's called Gemma < 1321550748 73960 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : kitten why are you fetching gems, you know they're worthless < 1321550748 395306 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1321550754 63968 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the least aisy thing to say? < 1321550770 101745 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that may be didactic hexhameter < 1321550775 703385 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hexhameter < 1321550780 718252 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1321550780 763643 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAARGH < 1321550786 398210 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without the second h < 1321550795 478660 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wasn't deliberate? < 1321550797 893931 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1321550814 85797 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a great typo anyway < 1321550827 468263 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you're used to typing "hexham" < 1321550881 210021 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lichens are worth 4 XP? wow! < 1321550892 448439 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is hexham + helsinki + feather < 1321550895 745848 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I meant dactylic, not didactic < 1321550900 937682 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :feather is a country? < 1321550916 504963 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1321550920 265139 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, will haven be. < 1321551073 774553 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, XL 2 < 1321551221 84321 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, only 31% fail on force bolt even with metal armour? < 1321551229 285115 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*29% < 1321551234 568956 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :**39% < 1321551241 580624 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that goes with my intelligence of 19 < 1321551311 117048 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1321551332 594609 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1321551342 111452 :elliott!elliott@95.149.230.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1321551342 859361 :elliott!elliott@95.149.230.3 QUIT :Changing host < 1321551342 905200 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1321551616 712388 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I suppose my gnome is home < 1321551720 289452 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1321551887 979767 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what OS name am I supposed to use in an MMIX triple? < 1321551899 49636 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009 < 1321552040 670650 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION proceeds to use mmix-unknown-mmix as if that makes any sense. < 1321552052 664548 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, doesn't like that ... < 1321552058 31358 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmix-unknown-mmixware? < 1321552064 830698 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha < 1321552380 560042 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** Configuration mmix-unknown-mmixware not supported GCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC < 1321552387 683693 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That was supposed to be "GCSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" < 1321552407 879527 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try changing that to A-level < 1321552416 704617 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A sentiment which Ngevd will no doubt— dammit. < 1321552447 166988 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I target GCC for this >_< < 1321552589 120753 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmix-mmixware apparently. < 1321552593 969626 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmix-unknown-mmixware is no-go < 1321552893 202839 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1321553702 843670 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1. 4000000000000094: 27fefe10 (SUBUI) privileged instruction! < 1321553704 950855 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn you MMIX < 1321553730 50394 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I tell mmix "I am privileged, let me run privileged instructions" < 1321553752 32648 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should the program need privileged instructions? < 1321553822 777221 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: Arguably. I have no mmap, so I'm just plopping instructions into malloc'd space and then executing them. Probably doing that requires some privs. < 1321553926 776647 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bet it would work too, if it wasn't for those meddling kids. < 1321553945 604089 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1321553969 441129 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: can't you mprotect the malloced area to be executable/ < 1321553980 327078 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: No mprotect either. < 1321553987 468304 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1321554049 426420 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1321554124 124849 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either that, or subtraction is a privileged operation :) < 1321554124 598057 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1321554166 269812 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The obnoxious thing is, looking at the code, I'm confident this would work. < 1321554169 372274 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't test it. < 1321555686 999283 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1321555724 801046 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1321556486 743433 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1321556496 774361 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1321556526 349735 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1321556641 632875 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1321556728 526587 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello peons. < 1321556742 442127 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's peons? < 1321556996 391911 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose peons < 1321557070 81456 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :eons of peons muahahahahaha < 1321557153 694725 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've the Fifteen best 3d tv Next year worlwide : and put each one of style a single spot intended for your current verdic-doing pleasure. < 1321557210 134121 :chickenzilla!~zack@olol.eu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1321557210 201518 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1321557214 595825 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1321557216 488221 :z^ck!~zack@olol.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1321558118 561394 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the knowledge that Brunt is also played by jeffrey combs is really hard to integrate < 1321558234 323173 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1321558277 597785 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1321558281 777123 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1321558287 844247 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1321558869 92489 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :]http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2011/11/17/142414818/americans-are-fat-and-expected-to-get-much-fatter?sc=fb&cc=fp < 1321558874 174915 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the most shocking news I've read in a long time. < 1321558878 983814 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Americans are /fat/? < 1321559503 753800 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously why are we not cutting military spending this is obscene. < 1321559509 520285 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :erwerjwjtwehthweuhwuierh america < 1321559665 103199 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to laugh if they rescind the automatic sequestration that's supposed to occur if the supercommittee doesn't reach an agreement. < 1321559668 150589 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :laugh and then cry. < 1321559750 178238 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has warned Congress that automatic across-the-board cuts to the Pentagon's budget would "invite aggression from U.S. adversaries." < 1321559755 783253 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy crap this is the most retarded thing I've ever heard. < 1321559758 69512 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like who? < 1321559767 660631 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: like who what? < 1321559796 367570 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the only people that would be actively *agressive* against the US would do well to handle a single guy from Texas. < 1321559798 335296 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1321559825 354994 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than, y'know, just pretty damned annoyed at the US because we *haven't* cut the military. :P < 1321559834 589552 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures < 1321559841 675963 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay look at this < 1321559848 397861 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Per capita Switzerland has the highest < 1321559859 372190 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then tell me that cutting $600 billion over a decade from that < 1321559869 921327 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :will make us INCREDIBLY VULNERABLE TO ATTACK. < 1321559875 360781 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAH PANIC < 1321559876 395296 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1321559889 316385 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH NO CHINA MIGHT ATTACK THEIR SINGLE LARGEST TRADING PARTNER < 1321559900 742666 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR REASONS UNBEKNOWNST TO ME < 1321559906 475251 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or worse: FRANCE < 1321559927 691142 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be 1812 all over again! < 1321559935 223268 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except with a different country! < 1321559936 203036 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no really that's insan. < 1321559941 85082 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1321559942 792867 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :-r < 1321559944 987647 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1321559994 610230 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could cut from the military, pay off the deficit, and still be spending well over /quadruple/ what the next highest country in military expenditure spends on its military. < 1321560018 390519 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(over time I mean) < 1321560022 108673 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not all at once) < 1321560197 843394 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the news tends to cover how much money programs will make in a decade or whatever. < 1321560214 88520 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's really more about whether or not it will reverse the expenditure/revenue disparity. < 1321560306 468787 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could also divert that funding to NASA, and have 50x'd the NASA budget. < 1321560323 394278 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And probably produce rather absurd economic growth from not throwing that money onto a burn pit. < 1321560361 50581 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THINK OF THE SCIENCE! < 1321560408 676835 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people see "$600 billion over a decade" and then look at a 15 trillion dollar deficit and think "oh well that's really not going to help at all this is pointless" < 1321560430 15136 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should present in terms of how much it changes cost vs. revenue. < 1321560449 174557 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: oh also < 1321560451 560476 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you were sane before < 1321560453 43273 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.usdebtclock.org/ < 1321560456 729983 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you're not. < 1321560467 421236 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :characters in tv series should learn to check the timestamp before they get their hopes up... *no chance* this will work at 10 minutes into the episode < 1321560503 109569 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: What's worse is that if you consider debt to GDP ratio, the US isn't that bad. < 1321560516 21741 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1321560517 113247 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: < 1321560518 80525 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1321560532 104667 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: That would involve more meta than audiences are usually comfortable with. < 1321560533 515087 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh really? < 1321560555 334362 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I mean < 1321560558 205216 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: < 1321560589 752484 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: indeed < 1321560618 679908 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah on the debt clock < 1321560626 844299 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the section titled "largest budget items" < 1321560637 407010 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: We're nearing 100%. < 1321560641 718714 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :now pick the ones you'd be most comfortable cutting. < 1321560650 37613 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: it's the defense/wars category < 1321560656 95866 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Japan is currently sitting at around 250%. < 1321560669 483612 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Public_debt_percent_gdp_world_map_%282010%29.svg < 1321560725 554056 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's really effing crazy is Japan is pretty close to the US national debt *in absolute terms*. < 1321560737 483627 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1321560738 888569 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe < 1321560744 914858 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should just make less of a deal about our debt? < 1321560750 13397 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it will cease to matter? :P < 1321560758 847701 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a *little* bit of an issue, but yes, it really is overblown. < 1321560772 173635 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1321560776 483244 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically < 1321560782 204741 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :american citizens are bad at numbers < 1321560783 54392 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1321560784 573141 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know. < 1321560795 759320 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most developed nations have rather high national debt, and have for ages. < 1321560819 670792 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe... < 1321560829 110185 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :politicans are kind of intelligent, or at least some of them are < 1321560830 538909 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and know this? < 1321560831 146764 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is in part because the government loaning money is a major part of the basis of the worth of fiat currency. < 1321560859 127089 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, borrowing. < 1321560989 624245 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: well, it's a systematic problem that can easily become worse (the deficit) < 1321560992 847132 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. < 1321561000 672291 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :something worth fixing now before it gets truly problematic. < 1321561010 954725 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite true. < 1321561026 282911 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The key to doing that is actually rather simple: don't have a budget deficit. < 1321561034 402783 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I no rite? < 1321561038 538936 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would require military cuts. < 1321561042 812580 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gasp < 1321561045 435425 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: TERRORISTS < 1321561048 990794 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence why it's not happened. < 1321561083 690301 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: WE NEED THE MILITARY BUDGET OF SEVERAL POWERFUL NATIONS COMBINED IN ORDER TO COMBAT NON-STATE GUERILLA FORCES. < 1321561088 152158 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else we're /doomed/ < 1321561106 272789 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck. I'd imagine if we just got rid of military bases in countries that have been stable in the long term and aren't near nations that *aren't*, we'd have pretty much gotten rid of the budget deficit. < 1321561119 92510 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. Goodbye, bases in Europe. < 1321561147 631499 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodbye, last vestiges of the US occupation of Japan. < 1321561166 66292 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly can't do anything at all about South Korea; nominally that's still a war zone. < 1321561247 265828 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: say the fuck goodbye to Australia and Canada (why we have bases there is beyond me) < 1321561269 161937 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: SO THAT WE CAN ASSIST OUR ALLIES IN THEIR TIME OF NEED. < 1321561275 319485 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, not politics. < 1321561288 249761 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the nazi terrorists land on the shores of Canada will be ready to nuke them. < 1321561293 339097 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*we will < 1321561329 650469 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: contribute or shush :P < 1321561357 221374 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuke canada? sounds like the natural reaction yes < 1321561365 288411 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1321561372 190402 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : characters in tv series should learn to check the timestamp before they get their hopes up... *no chance* this will work at 10 minutes into the episode < 1321561377 922456 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This DS9 you were talking about? < 1321561405 704088 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: yes, as always recently, about a season left of it < 1321561420 310860 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which episode? < 1321561428 390104 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm assuming it was some assault on the Dominion.) < 1321561444 992965 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, wow, looking at that debt graph, the UK isn't as bad as I'd have thought. < 1321561462 132069 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, this was 6x24 - Time's Orphan... molly goes into a time thingamajig < 1321561473 859162 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well it was kind of to highlight the lack of sense that happens when you think about war in terms of conventional/nonconventional warfare and nuclear warfare at the same time. < 1321561489 915163 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at it further, I'm seriously doubting the usefulness of it as a metric. < 1321561490 258427 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, yes that's the best course of action. < 1321561492 245347 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that scenario. < 1321561499 405510 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ah, yes, the last O'Brien Must Suffer! < 1321561510 749162 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Was there one in S7, I don't really remember any.) < 1321561516 253019 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: It seems to be only loosely useful as a metric. < 1321561525 856634 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: I doubt /your/ usefulness as a metric. < 1321561532 174928 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's more important, IME, is ability and willingness to repay debt. < 1321561538 164413 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a metric. < 1321561569 75985 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm overflowing with x, y such that x /= y, Phantom__Hoover(x,y) = 0. < 1321561851 594510 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1321561880 980047 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: well, in dominion war plots, success could happen that early because there are ways to go after that... < 1321561893 163618 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in your basic get problem/solve problem plot like this, you can only have failed solutions until the end of the episode < 1321561955 134965 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: what would be bad is if lawmakers decide to cut medicare / social security instead of military spending. < 1321561966 856644 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Also impossible. < 1321561970 350721 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would hurt old people. < 1321561972 747679 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old people vote. < 1321561989 208368 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: yes, and those are the two main alternatives < 1321561991 263743 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... hopefully < 1321561994 258217 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the choice is obvious. < 1321561995 257549 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get rid of their social security and you get a lynch mob. < 1321562015 711271 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of old people, mind, but a lynch mob is still nothing to fuck around with. < 1321562031 894776 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: but apparently Rick Perry wants to cut education? wtf < 1321562050 546092 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone won the presidency on an offer to cut SPENDING AWAY FROM THE FUTURE OF OUR CHILDREN < 1321562053 555392 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf. < 1321562078 464558 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :education gets you smart people, and smart people are boring as well as scary in the eyes of stupid people < 1321562094 247808 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously the proper approach is to stop educating people < 1321562161 692438 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1321562162 482225 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, replace "smart" with "educated" there, different things... < 1321562393 362972 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1321562716 775637 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: c'est spam on le wiki < 1321562781 469723 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: deleted < 1321562865 813489 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1321563674 987140 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: oh hey so I started talking about military spending on facebook and one of my friends who has a husband in the military was like "lol military spending, that's funny" < 1321563679 621639 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :A CHALLENGER HAS APPEARED. < 1321563691 740588 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION releases the fact bombs. < 1321563731 440562 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I'd imagine part of her reaction to that is because, well, our military spending is *moronic*. < 1321563739 717751 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Billions on a useless device? Okay! < 1321563751 124905 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: er I meant to say /military spending/cut military spending/ < 1321563760 753895 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-24.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supply soldiers basic amenities? Eh, if we feel like it, maybe. < 1321563786 434615 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: she equates "cut military spending" with "leave soldiers who need vital equipment defenseless" < 1321563789 580350 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was already do anyway. < 1321563799 171605 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/was/we/ < 1321564330 110522 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: also if we diverting funding from the military into NASA < 1321564337 953609 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only would we get civilian technological advancements < 1321564340 262836 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but military as well. < 1321564346 724029 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, we could anyway < 1321564351 514895 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :provided NASA were sufficiently funded. < 1321564373 549832 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :and < 1321564402 636592 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and: hi < 1321564405 890123 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, I resume the nick-change is related to other-channel shenanigans < 1321564417 520501 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome @and < 1321564419 493255 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome @and? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1321564419 574448 :and!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1321564431 912993 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? @and welcom < 1321564433 734239 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​@and welcom? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1321564443 492315 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you do that again? < 1321564466 427002 :and!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin < 1321564466 472182 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1321564471 997278 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`@ copumpkin welcome < 1321564474 241163 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: exec: 9: welcome: not found < 1321564479 185115 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`@ copumpkin ? welcome < 1321564481 491797 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1321564497 899245 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the one < 1321564513 479760 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :failbot < 1321564524 817789 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :failpumpkin < 1321564742 901875 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo '#!/bin/sh\n@ \"$1 ? welcome\"' >bin/welcome < 1321564744 814247 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​'#!/bin/sh\n@ \"$1 ? welcome\"' >bin/welcome < 1321564749 154406 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1321564755 127303 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '#!/bin/sh\n@ \"$1 ? welcome\"' >bin/welcome < 1321564757 236424 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1321564763 875460 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/welcome < 1321564765 772984 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh\n@ \"$1 ? welcome\" < 1321564772 887394 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1321564778 179809 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1321564805 312751 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ha. ha. ha ha. < 1321564808 783381 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "#!/bin/sh\n@ "'"$1 ? welcome"' >bin/welcome < 1321564810 772975 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1321564813 566257 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/welcome < 1321564815 599787 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh\n@ "$1 ? welcome" < 1321564825 564170 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`chmod +x bin/welcome < 1321564827 296536 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :chmod: missing operand after `+x bin/welcome' \ Try `chmod --help' for more information. < 1321564831 517824 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1321564835 829078 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh darn < 1321564902 705718 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo "#!/bin/sh"; echo '@ "$1 ? welcome"') >bin/welcome < 1321564904 842551 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1321564909 877344 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/welcome < 1321564910 957198 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1321564911 768489 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ @ "$1 ? welcome" < 1321564923 448029 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x bin/welcome < 1321564925 453579 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1321564930 78027 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome whoever < 1321564932 545357 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoever: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1321564937 70614 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1321564940 498154 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome The Pope < 1321564942 756467 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The: exec: 9: Pope: not found < 1321564947 930216 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUG < 1321564951 465381 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1321564952 665465 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome 'The Pope' < 1321564954 785750 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​'The: exec: 9: Pope': not found < 1321564956 501460 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome 'The Pope' < 1321564958 762080 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The: exec: 9: Pope: not found < 1321564985 270130 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1321564996 18742 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ doesn't take multiple words and stuff < 1321564997 245278 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is why < 1321564997 928362 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1321565007 582537 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not really a bug per se < 1321565010 830735 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1321565012 3745 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just can't welcome the pope :( < 1321565021 357064 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Oprah < 1321565023 139838 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/@ < 1321565024 85723 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oprah: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1321565024 974100 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ if echo "$1" | grep -c ' ' >/dev/null; then \ echo -n "$1" | sed 's/ .*/: /' \ exec $(echo "$1" | sed 's/[^ ]* //') \ else \ echo -n "$1: " \ shift \ exec "$@" \ fi \ < 1321565025 799857 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaaaaaay < 1321565044 648694 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well it needs to know when the name ends and the command begins < 1321565063 260060 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :restricting the name to one word (since it's supposed to be an IRC nick) is totally reasonable < 1321565080 216318 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`@ The Pope ? welcome < 1321565082 591665 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The: exec: 9: Pope: not found < 1321565087 71962 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1321565089 626207 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`@ ThePope ? welcome < 1321565092 157125 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThePope: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1321565132 263605 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up with the >/dev/null? < 1321565136 93305 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1321565137 324746 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind < 1321565137 765592 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1321565353 244526 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`@ ThePope welcome < 1321565355 861263 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThePope: : Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1321565359 628366 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1321565362 191201 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::))) < 1321565373 580235 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait duh :P < 1321565379 724686 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`@ ThePope welcome asshole < 1321565382 599012 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThePope: asshole: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1321565418 60693 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1321565428 298813 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :here we see the noble viking savage Oerjan perplexed by the workings of combining bash scripts. < 1321565466 366074 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is likely playing with the large pointy horns atop his helmet. < 1321565472 209183 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that is totally a thing vikings have. < 1321565477 214965 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very likely. < 1321565504 975393 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, horns? no way. horns are for cows < 1321565604 979835 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a horned helmet < 1321565615 16837 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1321565711 780061 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it seems to be missing one of its horns, I suspect it became a drinking glass at some point < 1321565729 14563 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for viking... mead? < 1321565732 157685 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do vikings drink. < 1321565738 534036 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mead is good < 1321565754 444888 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes vikings love mead. < 1321565762 154599 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beer also good < 1321565768 34993 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wine is for girly men < 1321565776 61676 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you've never had American light beer, I see. < 1321565793 50434 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: assorted alcoholic beverages of unspecified kind < 1321565806 151981 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vinland is irrelevant. _norse_ beer is good. < 1321565870 936313 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Norse-world.png < 1321565878 535070 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice worldview you have. < 1321565894 9168 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: norse beer... like ringnes? < 1321565919 410278 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helluland. good land. < 1321565926 784157 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the swede seems to be brewing up a fight < 1321566061 915472 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell of a land < 1321566220 928649 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so what's it like being superior to all other races? < 1321566243 467178 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1321566290 623463 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOOGNIHGT < 1321566294 562891 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-37.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1321566297 132098 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I imagine Hitler would have great respect for you if his empire still existed today. :> < 1321566353 23597 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run which perl < 1321566354 983633 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/perl < 1321566486 764128 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat `which perl` < 1321566489 2499 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ELF... < 1321566624 841274 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run which perl test < 1321566626 740699 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/perl \ /usr/bin/test < 1321566631 660550 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1321566634 647169 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run test < 1321566636 602724 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1321566644 787569 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_o? < 1321566713 74233 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think test only acts by exit code... < 1321566795 374822 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1321567441 936562 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :something is wrong < 1321567444 147261 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is missing. < 1321567624 937278 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm exceptionally annoyed too. < 1321567763 928329 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo '#/usr/bin/perl -w'; echo '$_ = $ARGV[0]; if ($_) { s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? welcome"; } else { exec "bin/?", "welcome"; }') >bin/welcome < 1321567766 417009 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1321567785 436661 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x bin/welcome < 1321567786 509141 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-243-68.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1321567787 40662 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1321567790 981338 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome test < 1321567793 20680 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/welcome: line 2: syntax error near unexpected token `{' \ /hackenv/bin/welcome: line 2: `$_ = $ARGV[0]; if ($_) { s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? welcome"; } else { exec "bin/?", "welcome"; }' < 1321567796 931874 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1321567801 994570 :Sgeo|web_!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1321567823 677021 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/welcome < 1321567824 208478 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web_: NEW HOMESTUCK OMG < 1321567825 428680 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#/usr/bin/perl -w \ $_ = $ARGV[0]; if ($_) { s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? welcome"; } else { exec "bin/?", "welcome"; } < 1321567834 882808 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-157-157.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1321567870 633616 :Sgeo|web_!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Do you want me to start being your notifier, or are you somehow peeking ahead? < 1321567914 381172 :Sgeo|web_!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that update is old < 1321567942 8915 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1321567945 950733 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/mfpxi/if_starlight_is_extremely_old_if_someone_were_to/c30ladn?context=3 < 1321567951 906028 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ultimate obnoxious smiley. < 1321567970 495144 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott If everything goes well a new super-resolution Skyrim pano will be ready during the weekend. I found the fov switch in the skyrim console :) < 1321567971 180382 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1321567986 711982 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, shut up about Skyrim you bastard the pain is too much < 1321568044 725602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, what? aren't you getting a new computer? < 1321568050 911798 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1321568057 326940 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then < 1321568060 123023 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the issue? < 1321568078 260452 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, displaying astonishing attention to detail, recommended a mini-ATX case. < 1321568096 873119 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, he what < 1321568102 528405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, I hope you didn't buy that? < 1321568110 371383 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1321568126 690044 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; it was an honest mistake, and I had to look quite hard to find that detail on the product page. < 1321568126 957261 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web_: I was actually just fooling you into thinking there was more < 1321568136 329910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, so you ordered it. ouch < 1321568137 349341 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have known that you hit refresh constantly waiting for updates < 1321568137 590451 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was categorised with ATX cases, apparently. < 1321568142 833766 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus already know that there are no new updates < 1321568151 602715 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, Scan seem to have a reasonable enough return policy. < 1321568188 446406 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway, I ordered a replacement on Tuesday, only to discover today that my card was blocked after the original purchase. < 1321568199 569268 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, that is good at least < 1321568204 570585 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, what? < 1321568206 282541 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :blocked? < 1321568208 389830 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean < 1321568237 367554 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case of fraud; the purchasing history for that card is something like £8 £8 £8 £8 £750. < 1321568249 442985 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1321568261 265121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, call the bank then? < 1321568292 531021 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'd already ordered the replacement by then, and Scan don't give a decent way to cancel the order, and it seems I ordered the last of that case in stock; elliott's absence prevents me from working around that. < 1321568293 303624 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1321568308 363916 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1321568312 304338 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnh < 1321568333 967538 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scan also haven't cancelled the purchase from the blocked card, so I have no idea whether it'll go through once that's cleared up. < 1321568336 886652 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1321568338 65292 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that was stupid. Messed up by starting ipv6 tunnel on two computers at once < 1321568350 640986 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best-case scenario, I get the case on Saturday. < 1321568361 825069 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monday is not looking like an unlikely option. < 1321568368 323971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1321568378 381561 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :still that is O(1) < 1321568386 946879 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at most O(n) < 1321568395 367031 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on what you count < 1321568403 44282 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By that point, the motherboard, CPU and RAM will have been sitting assembled in an anti-static bag in an in-use utility room for nearly a week and my paranoia will have gone through the roof. < 1321568452 378656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :assembled? < 1321568463 988243 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, don't you start with mounting the mobo in the case? < 1321568465 86846 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugged into each other. < 1321568467 246563 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then do all the other stuff < 1321568474 795978 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is how I did it always < 1321568483 405246 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yes; I only realised the form factor was wrong after I'd put it all together. < 1321568505 997164 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just put it on your desk like a proper *desktop computer* and start using it until the case gets there < 1321568581 859564 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leaving it assembled was basically the only option I could see at the time, particularly as I thought I'd only be waiting for a couple of days. < 1321568727 25209 :Sgeo|web_!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robotfindskitten: Good game, best kitten < 1321568828 909236 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo '#/usr/bin/perl -w'; echo 'if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? welcome"; } else { exec "bin/?", "welcome"; }') >bin/welcome < 1321568830 918027 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1321568837 457971 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x bin/welcome < 1321568839 814539 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1321568844 447818 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome test < 1321568846 15335 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/welcome: line 2: syntax error near unexpected token `$_=shift' \ /hackenv/bin/welcome: line 2: `if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? welcome"; } else { exec "bin/?", "welcome"; }' < 1321568854 387343 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_now_ what < 1321568867 720772 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh of course < 1321568874 260181 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo '#!/usr/bin/perl -w'; echo 'if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? welcome"; } else { exec "bin/?", "welcome"; }') >bin/welcome < 1321568876 234885 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1321568879 81746 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x bin/welcome < 1321568880 917971 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1321568884 385071 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome test < 1321568886 882541 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :test: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1321568899 460919 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome The Pope < 1321568901 794701 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The: Pope: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1321568905 998263 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome < 1321568908 255434 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1321568914 1193 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1321569094 752826 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Written by fizzie, I see. < 1321569207 839332 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1321569265 22786 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The: Pope. < 1321569289 638916 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Barack_Obama Oprah < 1321569291 933369 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barack_Obama: Oprah: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1321569299 983426 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1321569302 835015 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're prepared. < 1321569326 169581 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the day when Barack Obama and Oprah simultaneously join. < 1321569327 677964 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome CakeProphet < 1321569329 762220 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1321569495 992796 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1321570520 956086 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1321571178 763600 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TG: and was like shit yes i ALL KINDS of know how to use my web browser to download serveral files < 1321571181 703894 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1321571865 661258 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought of a tooootally different way to JIT. < 1321571868 918525 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to do magic. < 1321572196 125528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, oh, how? < 1321572237 916998 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1321572239 397147 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1321572334 977332 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'll wait to see if it works at all first :P < 1321572340 893658 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, fair enough < 1321572466 39074 :Sgeo|web_!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1321572530 954146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, do you think it will take long? < 1321572541 960545 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, next hour? Tomorrow? Next week? < 1321572597 311756 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Several hours. < 1321572723 69865 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, oh well, going to put this computer to sleep and go to bed. @tell me if it worked or not, so I know if I should bother looking through logs for how it worked. < 1321572725 295529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1321572819 901840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1321573357 23015 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if memcpy(a, NULL, 0) would consistently not segfault on all systems ... < 1321573718 193887 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :void **b=&b; < 1321573722 421797 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :By no logic should that work. < 1321573772 51505 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: this is C! you're in luck!