< 1322784186 499333 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322784397 342853 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1322785107 568988 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1322785229 398053 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin_ < 1322785270 782218 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1322785275 144397 :copumpkin_!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin < 1322785901 716059 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1322786359 308660 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sends an email that pikhq will see without sending an email to pikhq.
< 1322786537 899599 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a public mailing list? < 1322786667 371933 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-150.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1322786674 459160 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-150.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw said email. < 1322786929 586283 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322786937 625754 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1322786970 811399 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322787212 127250 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-249-42.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322787217 846828 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-150.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1322787594 715153 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: ENJOY HAVING YOUR EYEBALLS ACCOSTED WITH WORDS < 1322787679 119180 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: How do I run a subcommand in Perl safely, without running into shell interpolation problems < 1322789032 471121 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1322789194 332675 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, someone asked to become admin on the wiki who ISN'T Timwi :P < 1322790777 49372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wow, skyrim depends on steam even when bought in-store? < 1322790891 74489 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-249-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. I thought Valve was the only group that pulled that. < 1322790898 102037 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-249-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/group/company/ < 1322792624 952237 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-249-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://memegenerator.net/cache/instances/400x/11/11536/11813483.jpg XD (translit: "hajimemasite"tte? NIHONGO JŌZU translat: "Nice to meet you"? *You're good at Japanese!*) < 1322793050 664116 :allanpes12!~allan100v@189-31-4-115.cbace702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br JOIN :#esoteric < 1322793061 693603 :allanpes12!~allan100v@189-31-4-115.cbace702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br QUIT :Client Quit < 1322793260 380773 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81e0d5.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322793293 440460 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-249-42.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1322793299 115089 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-42.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322793701 122245 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1322796685 284040 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322796685 338655 :glogbot!foobar@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1322796686 773609 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1322796688 107390 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric > 1322796689 908545 JOIN :#esoteric > 1322796690 424328 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322796698 438434 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1322796711 333506 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor Makes me kinda nervous that glogbackup parts before glogbot joins. < 1322796712 71828 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1322796771 88366 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: glogbackup parts once glogbot joins #glogbot, which is the first one it joins. < 1322796771 722331 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1322796792 351929 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: OK, but people could still talk before glogbot rejoins every channel :P < 1322796793 238961 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1322796794 4619 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 1m 22s ago: Makes me kinda nervous that glogbackup parts before glogbot joins. < 1322796801 259807 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fair 'nuff *shrugs* < 1322796881 618151 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Let's call the flag -Ewarn, by analogy with -Werror." < 1322796925 571547 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhhh, is this some imaginary flag that converts /errors/ into /warnings/ (a concept which doesn't even make sense)? < 1322796969 626744 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also solves the halting problem and summons bacon. < 1322796995 874647 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes. A flag that is actually being implemented in GHC :P < 1322797005 828081 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :More specifically, it turns certain kinds of type errors into warnings + runtime errors. < 1322797009 393940 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For debugging. < 1322797035 804492 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that quote was even a joke, and it was by one of the Simons (I forget which by now), so it might even be called that :P < 1322797139 183468 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see. < 1322797146 688477 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just assumed GCC due to the "by analogy to -Werror" < 1322797155 350447 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes more sense in many other contexts. < 1322797166 794517 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC nabs gcc's -Wall, -W and -Werror. < 1322797168 4153 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only errors there are in C are "I have no clue how to compile this shit, dude" < 1322797179 666543 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except -Wall means "a lot of warnings" and -W means "literally every warning" < 1322797211 291151 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similarly it copies gcc's -On options, where -O0 does nothing, -O does most optimisations, and -O2 slows compilation down massively and doesn't help in the majority of cases. < 1322797215 737074 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... they shifted the numbers a bit :P < 1322797221 104200 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Not QUITE. < 1322797234 819463 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You could feasibly bypass C's type checker. < 1322797243 243792 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Possibly other errors are possible in C as well, such as lack of address space for declared variables < 1322797271 439006 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Sounds like "I have no clue how to compile this" to me :P < 1322797276 272194 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But virtually any case where the type checker fails, it fails because it doesn't know how to compile it. < 1322797288 683855 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK, maybe that is what it is, then. < 1322797302 506314 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Not really? Pointer casting, f'rinstance. < 1322797310 585195 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a looooooot of errors in C prorgams. < 1322797318 386085 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least a fair amount :P < 1322797327 2390 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there even any other type errors?? < 1322797366 277787 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of no pointer cast that would give you an error (as opposed to a warning) in default GCC. I suppose int x; int y; y = *x; wouldn't compile, but it also doesn't have enough information to. < 1322797379 942604 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cast x to (int *) :P < 1322797386 929658 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there's no error. < 1322797399 719063 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it "merely" hits UB. < 1322797413 452422 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I mean automatically. < 1322797428 258750 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*groan* < 1322797436 364698 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The machine has no notion of a pointer type, soooo :P < 1322797449 107585 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But how do you know it wanted an /int/ * as opposed to a /char/ * or a /wtf/ *? That's the "doesn't know how to compile it" part. < 1322797462 295357 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Because y is an int. < 1322797464 333064 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duh. < 1322797469 286543 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like you're not even trying! < 1322797474 93215 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, fair 'nuff. < 1322797478 998224 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you want (int*)(char*) though? < 1322797484 183965 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not so much bypassing the type checker as doing nonsense type inference :P < 1322797490 647866 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well fuck you, you're compiling an invalid program, be happy it works :P < 1322797495 328127 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO work < 1322797510 879024 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Now I want a list of gcc's errors... < 1322797518 869448 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1322797522 658553 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in C, it ought to be error to use something that isn't a pointer where a pointer is required unless you have an explicit cast (possibly with some exceptions if it would help to do so) < 1322797540 201726 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: In C, it is. < 1322797550 229101 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Mmmmm, not quite. < 1322797561 822233 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think except for confusing circumstances. < 1322797563 534281 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: int a(int *x); void foo() { a(42); } < 1322797564 218972 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: In GCC it is usually a warning but not an error when I do that < 1322797576 3820 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most notably, I *think* using an integer literal as a pointer is a warning. < 1322797580 648568 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear C: WHY DON'T YOU HAVE LAMBDAS < 1322797584 854595 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 'tis, 'tis. < 1322797589 327917 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define TRANSFORM_RGB(expr) \ < 1322797589 520074 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : do { \ < 1322797589 573666 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : uint8_t x; \ < 1322797589 573818 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : x = rgba.r; rgba.r = (expr); \ < 1322797589 573954 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : x = rgba.g; rgba.g = (expr); \ < 1322797590 123730 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : x = rgba.b; rgba.b = (expr); \ < 1322797591 838180 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : } while (0) < 1322797593 833125 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WANT TO REPLACE THIS HORRIBLE THING < 1322797608 81177 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But dereferencing an integer literal is a no-go as it doesn't know the pointer type. < 1322797617 481530 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: https://github.com/pikhq/clambda-demo/blob/master/lambda.h < 1322797627 704741 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: See, B just only had words. < 1322797629 761082 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there was no problem. < 1322797634 974378 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd read a word, obviously. < 1322797642 876316 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1322797649 854802 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :B: better than C? < 1322797653 491667 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is due to the C preprocessor having a few thing missing. Some things I made in Enhanced CWEB allow you to add your own compile-time codes < 1322797673 826895 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I can't tell you how INTENSELY willing I am to use this. < 1322797677 624449 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's giong into mcmap RIGHT NOW. < 1322797680 299043 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*going < 1322797689 72416 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is another programming language BLISS which has far more powerful macro capability and record types than C < 1322797702 203893 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What happened to town, btw (GITHUB STALKING IS BEST) < 1322797718 736042 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I didn't do much with it? < 1322797727 80582 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah :P < 1322797731 445024 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've spent the past few months basically doing fuck-all on github. :P < 1322797779 5182 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And it mixes tabs and spaces too :'( < 1322797935 128928 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1322798026 791319 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The STRUCTURE command in BLISS allows you to do a lot of things; the structure can contain arbitrary commands (it does not have to contain only field declarations) < 1322798613 20359 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OWN X; LITERAL MARK = 4; MACRO M = MARK + %UNQUOTE MARK %; BEGIN LITERAL MARK = 5; X = M; END What will the value of X be in this program? It will be 9 < 1322798864 96363 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int *a = alloca(sizeof(*a)); /* this works, but feels so wrong */ < 1322798916 300240 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1322798950 504557 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure 'nough. < 1322798971 241691 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Which part of it < 1322798972 697932 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also involves like 20 preprocessor directives to use it "portably". < 1322799410 219614 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The fact that that the definition of a refers to a :P < 1322799422 933255 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Uhh, but that's a standard idiom with malloc... < 1322799431 4977 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To avoid repeating yourself in case you e.g. change a's type. < 1322799452 563131 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? I don't think I've seen that ... usually I've seen type a = malloc(sizeof(type)); < 1322799458 49059 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, type *a of course < 1322799466 494328 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...type *a? < 1322799475 734176 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1322799485 338928 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yeah, that's more common, but *a is fairly common too. < 1322799492 995905 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm *shrugs* < 1322799506 817496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION usually embds type because he finds refactoring the expression to be a more compelling example than retyping a variable.
< 1322799510 416262 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long story short, I'm at 2037 code bytes :P < 1322799521 829809 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I'd prefer to be able to just omit the "type " on the LHS :P < 1322799526 118822 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bring back auto, dudes! < 1322799534 203472 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ did it! < 1322799550 970015 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: For what this time? < 1322799570 270526 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ... same as always? < 1322799587 74723 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, OK, you talked about doing something else at one point though :P < 1322799653 293323 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I considered it, couldn't think of a way to make it truly obtuse that wasn't also lame. < 1322799712 654952 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALTHOUGH WE COULD DO A COLLAB < 1322799823 861563 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You mean the MIDI thing? < 1322799861 474139 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuh < 1322799884 690224 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I dunno, I don't think it'd have to be very obfuscated if it produced something nice-sounding given untweaked input... < 1322799915 122719 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "nice" is relative, I'm sure the demoscene could synthesise semi-realistic piano and strings within IOCCC limits :P < 1322799915 920519 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. < 1322799941 963701 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the issue, I couldn't think of a way to make it obtuse. < 1322799950 289058 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ... If they don't already. < 1322799957 47154 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, piano: Sure. Pianos are easy. Strings: lolno. < 1322799957 228923 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Are we using different definitions of obtuse? < 1322799973 422477 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think obtuseness really matters if the result is impressive... the golfing makes code pretty hard to read to start with :P < 1322799978 614003 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strings was facetious. < 1322800039 314495 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idonno, I just don't feel like the result would be very obfuscated. < 1322800052 252385 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor do I think it would be sufficiently impressive, though maybe it would be. < 1322800124 928638 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking maybe a MOD player instead... those sound better, but that loses the synthesis element, and I dunno if the effects stuff that MOD players has are hard enough to implement that it'd be impressive :P < 1322800174 990281 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmmmmmmmmm < 1322800178 382817 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idonno much about MOD. < 1322800197 867833 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scp-wiki.net/clef101 < 1322800252 583682 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: All I know is it has samples and channels of notes :P < 1322800299 128880 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: six paragraphs in and this is the worst writing ever < 1322800311 954089 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seven paragraphs and it's worse < 1322800323 522334 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this is bad i'm not going to read it any more < 1322800354 463003 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's all I know toooooo 8-D < 1322800357 979197 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/skybluesky < 1322800422 669077 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any MML compiler to MOD? < 1322800455 623958 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So there's at least hacky resampling involved (in case /dev/audio doesn't have the right Hz), modifying the tone of samples, and I think applying various effects to a sample. < 1322800878 941425 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmers. < 1322801063 959926 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accessing memory-mapped files is just as efficient as accessing ordinary memory, as long as I don't do anything that actually requires disk access. Right? < 1322801222 102196 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Are you asking whether mmap() caches? < 1322801228 392441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, yes, your OS has disk caches. < 1322801241 111702 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excellent. < 1322801252 210520 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION replaces malloc with mmap. Save all the things.
< 1322801265 649269 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: malloc is implemented with mmap for large enough allocations in all common libcs. < 1322801268 900979 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like >4k. < 1322801290 336389 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, neat. < 1322801304 218093 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where #haskell < 1322801304 501946 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right here, silly! < 1322801307 139059 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know? < 1322801328 899316 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where #esoteric < 1322801329 674497 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about #esoteric. < 1322801332 894237 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where+ #esoteric Right here, silly! < 1322801333 678159 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is stored. < 1322801667 700488 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1322801867 402910 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-1025 < 1322801882 113289 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, read that completely, don't stop reading just because < 1322801899 830981 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I like stop reading just because! < 1322802112 166122 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: OK that was amusing. < 1322803601 89188 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell kallisti By the way, (const undefined) is also strict, but doesn't evaluate its argument. < 1322803601 634209 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1322803621 407320 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell kallisti Proof: const undefined _|_ = undefined = _|_. < 1322803622 210787 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1322803956 813398 :jix!~jix@dronf.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1322803998 566352 :jix!~jix@dronf.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322804076 222777 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1322804369 906355 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1322805237 333968 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1322807387 628664 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1322807388 584393 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1322807522 828699 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :took you a while < 1322807721 293986 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1322807725 89980 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.243.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322807909 26787 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the way to select a $2n$ by $2n$ matrix of booleans such that there is exactly $n$ true in each row and in each column, from all possible ones, uniformly? < 1322808043 534224 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.243.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's impossible. < 1322808067 344207 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.243.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: I am lying.) < 1322808352 515981 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322808359 71151 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1322808410 806136 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1322808468 340073 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am having trouble with stochastic cellular automata, and i stumbled across this link (http://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=398) do you guys talk about that in here?? < 1322808501 550331 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.243.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1322808507 985879 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask the question; they sometimes talk about various things in here and possibly someone knows < 1322808518 268981 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.243.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ##gameoflife, heh < 1322808522 804727 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.243.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that channel lasted uh... a few days < 1322808531 974031 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol sad < 1322808538 859914 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.243.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover is still a regular here though < 1322808546 317045 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.243.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't say we get CA talk very often but when we do it tends to be lively < 1322808558 114589 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.243.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's quiet hours right now < 1322808565 36048 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my question is to design two different stochastic cellular automata: < 1322808576 75595 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. Design a 1D stochastic cellular automata that uses on rules involving two adjacent cells at at time that (with high probability) do the following tasks: < 1322808580 534164 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a. If the majority of cells are initially 0, the final state is all zeros. If the majority of cells is initial 1, the final state is 1. < 1322808585 541915 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b. Starting with all cells at 0, reach a final state in which one cell is a 1 and the rest are 2. < 1322808611 626457 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.243.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, cool < 1322808617 20198 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.243.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't homework, is it? :p < 1322808632 968758 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABSOLUTELY NOT :P < 1322808671 288991 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.243.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol works in CA, although you may find his answers rather unwantedly vague for a question he considers too trivial :P < 1322808697 239501 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.243.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think he's here right now < 1322808705 105916 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, that is typically the case for IRC channels < 1322808730 259597 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.243.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not us! we're helpful and cuddly and nice. well... occasionally < 1322808739 549453 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha nice < 1322808750 670590 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any idea on this?? < 1322808767 324369 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.243.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not personally, but there are like three people off the top of my head who might be able to help who aren't here right now :P < 1322808775 17868 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sux < 1322808811 769508 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.243.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask monqy; you probably won't get an answer but the non-answer might be entertaining < 1322808823 389355 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol kk < 1322808837 833019 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't he just see this?? how should i ask?? < 1322808846 971436 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.243.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :smoke signals < 1322808860 174790 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.243.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he responds by sending "hi"s in morse code < 1322808906 90613 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SUMMON THY MONQY < 1322808908 165899 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... .. .... .. .... .. < 1322808925 385312 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1322808927 265075 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google majority problem < 1322808929 55034 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority_problem_(cellular_automaton) < 1322808929 298649 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Majority problem (cellular automaton) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < 1322809007 214562 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know enough about cellular automata < 1322809044 205012 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither :P < 1322809193 111285 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how I could figure out the answer to my question? < 1322809261 333002 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask someone who knows and is willing and able to answer appropriately < 1322809328 939108 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1322809336 159031 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: You are now graced with my absence. < 1322809732 51892 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, update < 1322811865 912067 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might have figured out what contramonads and contracomonads is supposed to be: contrareturn :: (a -> m ()) -> m a; contrajoin :: m (m a) -> m (a -> m ()); contraextract :: w a -> a -> w (); contraduplicate :: w (a -> w ()) -> w (w a); I don't know how good this is, though. Maybe I made a few mistakes? < 1322813431 997400 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: yes, there's a setting for it < 1322813554 160857 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: :help swapfile < 1322814926 979510 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scp-wiki.net/sandrewswann-s-proposal < 1322814968 703815 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does "But your thoughts are nothing except hallucination!" have anything to do with "greedy reductionism"? < 1322815191 739587 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1322815669 199332 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81e0d5.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de < 1322816039 591474 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-192-37.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what research on cellular automatons look like < 1322816057 885295 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-192-37.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much is math and how much is just trying stuff on it < 1322816391 301210 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1322818088 396677 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: hi < 1322818089 64241 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1322818094 906358 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :qx'blah blah blah' < 1322818246 205535 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: is how you prevent Perl from interpolating in a shell command < 1322818266 353976 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're using system or whatever else you would just pass a single quoted string obviously. < 1322818415 651284 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (const undefined undefined) `seq` "hi" < 1322818418 34512 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1322818582 913308 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: similarly, using single quotes as a delimiter for any other interpolating quoke-like operator (except for qq, which always interpolates) will turn off interpolation < 1322818649 844389 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: there is a lot of bullshit being done with cellular automata, which is why we're not taken very seriously < 1322818662 42564 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s'blah'blah', m'blah', qr'blah' < 1322818671 389239 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I... don't remember if qw interpolations. < 1322818696 620098 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl my ($x,$y,$z) = 1..3; print qw($x $y $z) < 1322818699 235933 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​$x$y$z < 1322818701 722018 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: clearly you should work for a prestigious research group like Wolfram < 1322818702 495259 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1322818716 267833 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1322818734 865711 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear they get great press coverage < 1322818741 251434 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!print ?bahahahahaha? < 1322818762 943720 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!print $_="hi"; print ?hi? < 1322818772 779323 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!print $_="hi"; print /hi/ < 1322818775 214499 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually wolfram invented one of the most important concepts of CA on which i too work every day < 1322818777 939777 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the limit set < 1322818783 547070 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he didn't actually define it < 1322818788 682122 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he's a retard < 1322818804 140580 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, he had quite an influence there < 1322818842 433100 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe he actually gave a definition, but you know for the sake of this story. < 1322818859 517463 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least he doesn't have any actual results < 1322818899 377396 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: anyhow, searching for counterexamples is, as in any branch of math, rather ad hoc < 1322818974 240472 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, we use measure theory, compactness arguments, symbolic dynamics and ergodic theory on a daily basis. but any sort of deep results are needed rarely. < 1322819020 555656 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the basic theory < 1322819094 389352 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, i've needed a point whose ergodic fibre is the uniform bernoulli measure a few times when studying the besicovitch space, such a point is not that easy to construct, but it follows from ergodic theory that pretty much all points have this property < 1322819208 46555 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :symbolic dynamics is really where most of the math happens, so if CA wasn't so easy to write, i'd always talk about endomorphisms of the shift just to keep the CA people out < 1322819259 2151 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was this guy in a conference who said he's a computer scientiest but also does a lot of math. he said he's working on cellular automata, and said that HE HAD HEARD THAT YOU CAN GIVE A TOPOLOGY TO THE FULL SHIFT < 1322819263 875858 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1322819292 606865 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: whoosh < 1322819296 987035 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there went the joke < 1322819298 924097 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :over my head. < 1322819310 893491 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: you can't do anything with CA without the cantor topology on the space < 1322819323 588784 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1322819334 513113 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :see I thought you were implying it was impossible or something which... sounded unlikely to me. < 1322819363 21695 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he studied something like gliders in elementary CA < 1322819369 966812 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck kind of research is that < 1322819373 537629 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...heh < 1322819376 933982 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUDE THEY LIKE < 1322819377 723081 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOVE < 1322819379 508906 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN A LINE < 1322819386 512568 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITERATING IN A CYCLE < 1322819386 566272 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so coooool < 1322819410 330812 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's the non-mathematical side of CA research < 1322819469 561948 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: if you want links to the good kind of research, i can show some good representatives of the techniques < 1322819499 534334 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to know more about the bad kind, you could always read nkos < 1322819622 229784 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum . map (\(n,x) -> 2*x / 3^n ) $ zip (cycle [0,1]) [1..] < 1322819626 910882 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1322819654 220996 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wow shocking < 1322819701 900015 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a pretty good representative: http://www2.math.umd.edu/~mboyle/papers/automata20oct98.pdf < 1322819742 207961 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how one would convert points in a cantor space to real numbers in Haskell. :> < 1322819747 812191 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems... difficult. < 1322819999 72510 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tytythetyty: that's an easy consequence of http://www.cs.bu.edu/~gacs/papers/long-ca-ms.pdf < 1322820021 228423 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i didn't read any log < 1322820056 339382 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kk thanks! i will look at this :) < 1322820094 88846 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol fault tolerant cellular automata < 1322820130 222435 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAs can be used to model networks < 1322820139 551121 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yes, you might ask whether they're fault tolerant < 1322820169 545289 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tytythetyty: but apart from being a consequence of that, stochastic automata are very hard to work with, and i don't know if anyone but gacs has really ever succeeded < 1322820189 811189 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tytythetyty: err actually < 1322820222 807075 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think if i told someone at work that i just linked gacs to some random guy on irc to read, they would punch me in the face < 1322820246 3060 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, apart from gacs, only one person has ever managed to read all of that < 1322820253 933939 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol i was typing this < 1322820254 646762 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phosphoglycerate kinase < 1322820257 33120 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammmit! < 1322820258 966387 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind < 1322820275 117898 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was gonna ask if there is a specific section that is applicable?? < 1322820276 918340 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that pdf < 1322820278 506846 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you ask your question in the first place? < 1322820320 42620 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So there are as many points in the Cantor set as there are in [0, 1], and the Cantor set is uncountable " < 1322820323 887626 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you probably need only a part of the construction. i can link you the reader's guide < 1322820327 475806 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mind blown
< 1322820330 895478 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am doing some work in a Synthetic Biology seminar < 1322820336 409205 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was a challenge < 1322820344 951190 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.bu.edu/~gacs/papers/long-ca-ms.pdf < 1322820350 32652 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to people in the seminar < 1322820359 742281 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who gave it? < 1322820392 345608 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know random people in synth bio?? < 1322820393 295638 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1322820429 178668 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no but i mean did they know what they were asking... of course if you just want to have good approximations, you can just try stuff out < 1322820469 524082 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see haha < 1322820478 822663 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gacs' automaton, afaiu, works with any probability, and simulates any CA you like reliably with high probability < 1322820480 20713 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, he likes this stuff < 1322820519 213095 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :synth bio... is that similar to mathematical biology? < 1322820520 100459 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, i will look at these, thanks! < 1322820524 351751 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :errr < 1322820525 607483 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1322820533 34159 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should ask what the exact results are at the university, i'm more into symbolic dynamics myself < 1322820547 907335 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't really wank to gacs' paper unlike most CA ppl < 1322820582 104310 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it solved like every problem ever < 1322820606 193366 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :math bio is more modeling bio systems with math, synth bio is more engineering genetic pathways < 1322820613 585079 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well incidentally it didn't solve the problem of finding a uniquely ergodic CA which my colleague did this week, awesome right < 1322820647 644907 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so :P not sure what a uniquely ergodic CA is < 1322821044 788818 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :tytythetyty: wow, I didn't realize how far we've come with genetic engineering. < 1322821050 733650 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is reading about gene networks.
< 1322821131 666182 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: if you have access to this somehow (i.e. an academic proxy), or an actual subscription, this is a good overview < 1322821132 318101 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sciencemag.org/site/special/syntheticbio/ < 1322821150 946759 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not currently no. < 1322821167 165264 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, hmmm, actually I may be able to. < 1322821278 908169 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tytythetyty: uniquely ergodic means there's only one dynamics-invariant measure for your dynamical system (the dynamics being the CA). this measure is then automatically ergodic. < 1322821285 78679 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the case of CA < 1322821286 401440 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: this is interesting too, this is the undergraudate synth bio team at my school, who recently won the international undergrad competition (http://2011.igem.org/Team:Washington) < 1322821306 692859 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means that in every column, the density of some symbol 0 always gets bigger and bigger < 1322821309 21236 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ahhh i see < 1322821416 797469 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but umm i applied for this grant and they said they'd notify recipients by end of march. i heard rumors that i got it but there's another ville who applied and now no one just knows anything. except that i wasn't notified, so i probably didn't get it. well, today, i got an email that says something like dear recipient, please fucking register for our party already. < 1322821475 82680 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm confused, did they just send that to everyone who applied and filter out non-recipients by addressing it to recipients (non-recipients have not been notified) < 1322821538 8740 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably go talk to someone at the university... we already changed where i'm getting my next year's funding based on me not getting the grant :D < 1322821552 277461 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm i mean my whole 4 year plan < 1322821635 366310 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go to the party and make so many friends that they can't kick you out < 1322821664 861421 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea < 1322821666 489510 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1322821692 38982 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@source nDerivs < 1322821692 357640 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nDerivs not available < 1322821696 836263 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t nDerivs < 1322821697 830037 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a i. (Num i, Num a) => (Dif Expr -> Dif a) -> i < 1322821704 818504 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nDerivs sin < 1322821708 591157 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1322821711 459921 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nDerivs log < 1322821717 31453 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1322821755 237723 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grants are a bitch sometimes :/ < 1322821759 609514 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and interviews < 1322821774 603064 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a microsoft interview today, didn't go as well as it should have < 1322822151 601646 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81e84e.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322822262 348489 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti and oklopol: good talking to you guys! thanks for the help < 1322822265 955740 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a good night < 1322822302 958716 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1322822316 262216 :tytythetyty!1812f3be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.243.190 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1322823445 82074 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1322824671 862210 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81e84e.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hail eris < 1322824892 564891 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hail < 1322825921 53604 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322827437 316667 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystical_Ninja_Starring_Goemon < 1322827441 311710 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone else played this game? < 1322827485 586020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322828003 633229 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322828922 592062 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1322829175 884446 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi < 1322829184 484935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kallisti < 1322829190 295694 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystical_Ninja_Starring_Goemon < 1322829193 98400 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you played this game? < 1322829197 412098 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :N64 game. < 1322829212 618582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1322829215 969268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't own an N64 < 1322829244 310232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I /have/ played a very few N64 games on other people's N64s, but a small selection) < 1322829268 195717 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1322829293 718019 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :some weird Japanese game I played as a kid. I just rediscovered it and my nostalgia glands kicked in. < 1322829297 553855 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: wow, skyrim depends on steam even when bought in-store? <-- yes < 1322829333 835652 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A cellular automaton is said to be reversible if for every current configuration of the cellular automaton there is exactly one past configuration (preimage)." < 1322829349 637388 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :psh, come on. you can totally non-deterministically reverse to multiple past images. < 1322829350 560063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I'm surprised that you're surprised at that; it's become more and more common recently < 1322829355 281821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm upset by it, but not surprised < 1322829372 902110 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with requiring Steam? it's free right? < 1322829400 153434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: assumes you're going to have a network connection when you play the game < 1322829407 226298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is almost always not the case for me, I typically play games offline < 1322829429 246856 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.243.54 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1322829453 141502 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression that Steam had an offline mode as well. < 1322829472 967415 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't actually play PC video games often.
< 1322829500 980752 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis. < 1322829510 480590 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only pirates, criminals and communists play offline < 1322829535 251838 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :And people who might not live in the first world, but they're mostly pirates, criminals and communists anyway < 1322829549 211482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, I prefer "anarchists, lunatics, and terrorists" < 1322829560 658681 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steam has an "offline mode" if you check the "save login details" box, or something like that. < 1322829577 798806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'd still need an Internet connection to install the game < 1322829598 390618 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, it's a Internet-based delivery system, after all. But not when you play it. < 1322829598 925221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be that you could go to a shop, buy a game, take it home, and install it on a non-networked computer < 1322829615 300405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the only DRM would be requiring the disk to stay in the drive, together with measures to make the disk harder to copy < 1322829661 337934 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it also used to be that there was this thing called "dial-up" < 1322829664 983647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, "Scaffolding" seems like an interesting name for an esolang < 1322829671 721526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: it still exists, believe it or not < 1322829676 497054 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah.. < 1322829695 220917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least one ISP gave free dial-up internet access to Egypt when the government cut off all the ISPs < 1322829695 428851 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it much the same way that floppy drives still exist. < 1322829705 526912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the basis that they had all this dial-up capacity that was hardly being used < 1322829710 897170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I actually have a USB floppy drive < 1322829720 434462 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.......why < 1322829750 231837 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a digital archeologist? < 1322829751 947205 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At one point in time multiple laptops came out bundled with USB floppy drives. < 1322829757 673787 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unearthing ancient tombs filled with floppy disks? < 1322829769 832396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: because I used to back things up to floppy disks, back before CD burners were common < 1322829804 493995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, because floppy disk is quite a convenient way to quickly transfer files from one computer to another; it's pretty much as fast as doing it via USB stick, just with a lower capacity < 1322829831 852648 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this thing < 1322829849 463960 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :where I can put up to 5 GBs of information onto a server probably hundreds of miles away. < 1322829857 401854 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then log into that server on another computer < 1322829863 832435 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and download the information < 1322829881 188338 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's not as fast as a floppy < 1322829888 540590 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you're like, physically next to both computers < 1322829909 663073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you send data hundreds of miles to transfer it across the room? < 1322829911 354708 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Wikipedia, "the average sequential read speed is 30–70 kB/s". < 1322829934 719961 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.243.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322829949 88531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if both computers are on the same network, I'd just use that network to send it < 1322829963 722603 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's okay it's traveling at light speed. < 1322829975 866414 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah < 1322829978 345913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only time bouncing off an external server would make sense for a same-room transfer would be if there was some sort of firewall between them < 1322829980 726274 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be silly. < 1322830005 820668 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well I'm referring to Dropbox. if you have it installed on both computers it's even easier. < 1322830010 540436 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's also possible to login from any computer. < 1322830019 519318 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :via a web interface < 1322830025 48845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(extreme example: the wireless connection here in my office is outside the department's firewall, the wired connection is inside, so I'm careful not to use both at once; and the wired connection is really heavily monitored, to the extent that Chrome refuses to access Google, because I think it's MITMing the https) < 1322830030 766043 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ridiculous, i demand heavy speed! < 1322830043 885650 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :We used to use MageLink for transferring files between the computers at the computer classroom at school. It's the spiffiest-looking IPX file transfer thing there is. < 1322830058 342370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, now I remember XPDT < 1322830068 53844 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly an image search for 'MageLink' is not being very helpful. < 1322830094 579445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that none of the file-transfer stuff that comes with Windows allows transferring over a serial link from Windows 95 to Windows XP, or the other way round < 1322830094 632813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I wrote my own program to do that < 1322830134 248723 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they still bundle a LapLink-like thing in modern Windowses? I suppose not. < 1322830164 273419 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "null-printer" cable, the silliest name. < 1322830194 792559 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By analogy with null modem cables.) < 1322830401 822273 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian's installation manual has a PLIP-based installation method described. < 1322830483 587460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1322830593 399143 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Windows Vista drops support for the Direct cable connection feature [4] as ethernet, Wi-Fi and Bluetooth have become ubiquitous on current generation computers. To transfer files and settings, Windows Vista includes Windows Easy Transfer, which uses a proprietary USB-to-USB bridge cable known as the Easy Transfer Cable." <- right, they've given it up. < 1322830797 290418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322830956 367190 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Talk:Afterparty: This sure doesn't answer anything. Also, it's "after party", not one word. It's also a lame concept. (Wow, I wanted to go on a pro-Communist rant there, but stopped.) More needs to be written, otherwise, it just seems like a myth of some sort. Besides (stopping myself again from going totally anti-suburbs here). Apple8800 (talk) 17:26, 29 March 2011 (UTC) < 1322831023 627141 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking capitalists and their afterparties (one word) < 1322831207 542410 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322831390 167164 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: hi < 1322832730 532552 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1322832988 98414 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : also, because floppy disk is quite a convenient way to quickly transfer files from one computer to another; it's pretty much as fast as doing it via USB stick, just with a lower capacity <-- not really, floppies are really slow < 1322833013 793215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fast enough when you're only transferring a few tens of kilobytes, which is typical < 1322833058 869973 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : kallisti: I actually have a USB floppy drive <-- I have two of them I think. One pure USB floppy drive and one that doubles as a "ultrabay-for-old-dell floppy device" and USB one < 1322833086 733001 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Hm I seldom transfer less than a mb or so < 1322833101 299220 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and quite often something like 10 GB < 1322833110 475804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't fit 10 GB on a floppy < 1322833113 248543 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1322833127 283179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time I needed to transfer that sort of data, I put the two computers physically next to each other and connected them with an Ethernet crossover cable < 1322833129 78801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then used rsync < 1322833132 386063 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to use ethernet over firewire back when my desktop only had 100 mbit connection. Because firewire allowed 400 mbit < 1322833132 832580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that sort of amount of data < 1322833155 619242 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I have gbit ethernet on both my desktop and laptop < 1322833164 178473 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so generally the disk speed in the laptop is the bottleneck < 1322833216 262723 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81e84e.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de < 1322833278 276764 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm PSU at the bottom seems to be getting more and more popular in high end chassis these days. < 1322833289 654454 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is actually the point of PSU at the bottom < 1322833336 554566 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my computer has that, but it just messes up with the cables as far as I'm concerned (since the PSU uses flat cables with connectors on the side of the cable. And it is designed for mounting at the top. < 1322833374 734641 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe you would know what the advantages of PSU at the bottom of the computer case is? < 1322833379 278686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's so that when YouTube upgrade their video service, it still works if you turn the entire computer case upside-down < 1322833388 775880 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1322833388 845693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which gives even better performance than just inverting the monitor < 1322833391 330069 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1322833406 636255 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :inverting monitor? I don't get the joke. < 1322833422 101393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was YouTube's April Fools thing this year (or maybe last year?) < 1322833427 418082 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah < 1322833430 698682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where they turned the entire site layout upside-down, also the videos < 1322833435 490103 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1322833439 487095 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but seriously, any idea? < 1322833444 982506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the basis that they'd discovered that videos looked better if you turned the monitor upside-down < 1322833448 634079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, not offhand < 1322833459 175357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't surprise me if it was something to do with cooling, but I don't see how it would help offhand < 1322833463 491471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*if it were < 1322833532 731515 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1322833673 355320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.1.1 The droll business is, whether you be convinced active it, the cares you should get are each familiar meaning! How does it effort? Besides solely, individual moves any earful most you, possibly on-line or conceivably eve via any scrap send that you tossed in the crank without eve trigger-happy it up. < 1322833768 82700 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds fungotty. < 1322833768 383107 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ' cheers,' said lu-tze. < 1322833813 299516 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1322833826 622844 :kallisti!~eris@h132.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322833828 98360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: go on < 1322833828 386250 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: " no we ain't," said esk. " granny always says that to women, for the arms, two twigs. < 1322833838 515219 :kallisti!~eris@h132.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1322833838 568654 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1322833844 69042 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`word 25 < 1322833851 425013 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :eszykkakemed obatleue raieffenisteinges paghters ac gan roleyum appard lvatoulphonicae hendfelletharbrogg ratereur bee tocitz bratous aeurrosly pred pic sten reanclan tlnhek bie un dodus blertrigentmousalgilemanatimend ro < 1322833904 337424 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322833936 569421 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, for some reason youtube is saying "missing plugin" for every video. < 1322833954 886113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: perhaps you don't have a Flash plugin? < 1322833964 909125 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I most definitely do < 1322833966 427249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bee" is a real word, out of that list < 1322833973 637919 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just restarted after some updates though. < 1322833989 292059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and quite a few of them sound like they could be real words < 1322833991 554139 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it happens. especially with short words. only so many possibilities in a markov model. < 1322833994 625527 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: good < 1322833995 549267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1322833999 789355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`word 25 < 1322834002 13044 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuermarabev as gcommenfer dumallyley wychafr mam zat tb tuproassitara man apitenins jurg autory cler hydrouzhdu aflutz flits ine boni met soirodestsovegeble bolia formagged lopui ch < 1322834032 158652 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :aflutz :) < 1322834041 639571 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has flits and aflutz
< 1322834048 902038 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1322834056 877741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen people seriously attempt to use "boni" as the plural of "bonus" < 1322834062 36120 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1322834062 90818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"as" is also a word, as is "man" < 1322834067 189837 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :met < 1322834072 811068 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pic" and "pred" out of that first list were also rather common abbreviations. < 1322834076 898919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, "formagged" is possibly the best nonword there < 1322834099 425269 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no soirodestsovegeble? < 1322834114 164802 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: at least boni is correct latin, i think < 1322834133 555269 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike some other examples < 1322834147 193157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I think so < 1322834159 55802 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :formagged obviously means turned into cheese < 1322834207 403089 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1322834223 356476 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`word 50 < 1322834225 829933 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :monsumizehutand senselees atticheler jnaal tans ber ozamoloupne dovolowx hici unthiries subs auroo zu pribacc obikanba vity iscu lammenleres ken meduratctrae wd troasakic venderpugaryszus alierectracist mesi bouraps bbizosinizaria fandombori obed uienyonoseranottinscrenzy wander rheetess syraibia te tro ruardentiminesta hus sesined thl metion sch brica inuce howmrech narremietty baarimptinfon bnue boletadvaligny cluvra kancr < 1322834238 401471 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monsumizehutand -- ancient Aztech ruler < 1322834250 543966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fandombori" < 1322834257 605805 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1322834276 719181 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a senselees list of words. < 1322834323 16221 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is an 'alierectracist' a person who won't submit to being probed by extraterrestials, or what? < 1322834332 800130 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :....... < 1322834335 551956 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so? < 1322834381 255864 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`word 1 < 1322834383 649977 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :urganaidonoropedeechl < 1322834426 234941 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t zip`ap`tail < 1322834429 927986 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b. [b] -> [(b, b)] < 1322834466 568346 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err-gah-nah-ee-doh-noh-ropey-dee-ch-L < 1322834492 485119 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1322834506 235087 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :god thats difficult < 1322834507 712380 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has gotten the hang of pronouncing these things.
< 1322834516 519297 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little creative discretion is allowed < 1322834529 558443 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in english you must remember that pronunciation does not follow from spelling :P < 1322834530 385773 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it's "pseudoEnglish" in nature < 1322834539 677637 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which already has a wide variety of different ways to pronounce combinations of letters < 1322834569 557701 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: no it does, it's just based on a wide variety of linguistic influenced < 1322834581 262752 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*influences < 1322834600 337725 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to me like it simply borrows several pronunciation systems < 1322834625 411311 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is "borrowed" and slightly reinvented in natural language < 1322834627 750828 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, well, a lot of things. < 1322834712 987404 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speech synthesis thingies often have (in addition to a large pronunciation dictionary) some sort of a rule-based device to generate plausible phonemes for OOV words. < 1322834722 728228 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the idea of english is to acquire the shibbaleths of their eneies < 1322834734 449616 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^enemies < 1322834758 538690 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :music, art, religions, holidays, sports, mythologies < 1322834777 984895 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someones probably already done a phd on that possibility i suggested and found it's a dead-end < 1322834780 676553 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo 'monsumizehutand senselees ... cluvra kancr' | festival --tts # the best babble ever. < 1322834783 572360 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you look at all of these things you'll see a (mostly) linear progression of linear through history. < 1322834798 658955 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run festival --help < 1322834800 461130 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: festival: command not found < 1322834815 511334 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so fast I can't make anything out of it, and I don't quite recall how to control speaking speed. < 1322834840 445418 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`word 5 < 1322834842 527986 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :parne euwessoly coms coaulanquicolve tra < 1322834845 992358 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes a linear progression of linear. < 1322834852 731681 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: 25 is a good number < 1322834856 211078 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bound to find something interesting. < 1322834868 313960 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it heuristicizes into pronouncing things as lettersims; like "sch" and "wd" it does like that. < 1322834910 420136 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The prosody for that "sentence" is... somewhat arbitrary too. < 1322834934 761387 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`word 30 < 1322834937 75045 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :imerapposan ccyptyrs strcd plitaspet plation cxlere decocs vie chya schth sap cont eldenernefl chron diss ophyphofe symo imbee hoyoj dro einee dion eouciircloromplam wehenss remed nifteng jeeppertia sa sch dimely < 1322834954 463108 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :strcd sounds like a string.h function < 1322834954 517267 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a short break between uienyonoseranottinscrenzy and wander, like a comma, for some reason. < 1322834975 134426 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :schth -- best word < 1322835065 536433 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :eldenernefl - el-den-nur-neh-ful < 1322835076 358845 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: unfortunately I believe googles data contains roman numerals < 1322835089 237638 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my pseudo-intelligence leads me to say, ("ais523") = "523". ("523") = '5', '2', '3'. ('5') = 5. ('2') = 2. ('3') = 3. 5+2+3 = 10 < 1322835089 809977 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sometimes leads to ridiculous things like triple i's < 1322835098 327686 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`word 10 < 1322835100 370441 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tris bayions au minis tolotti ital coneu via tchliplanosleociot exillesta < 1322835139 498111 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Festival pronounces eldenernefl with pretty much a silent "den"; el-ner-neh-ful. < 1322835153 72499 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i quite like tchliplanosleociot < 1322835153 321825 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, 'de'. < 1322835179 545732 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for exillesta... thats just a kick ass word < 1322835179 615551 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: it's squishy in my mouth < 1322835191 228380 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I can't hear any difference between elnernefl and eldenernefl. Maybe the latter is just archaic spelling for the former? < 1322835209 154919 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely... < 1322835274 898737 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`word < 1322835277 229094 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sen < 1322835291 449474 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's valid Finnish. < 1322835313 614004 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I suppose quite a few other languages too. < 1322835330 599479 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese and Swedish, at least. < 1322835337 652443 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay i got 23000 euros today < 1322835347 634954 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't spend it all at once now. < 1322835347 828717 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`word < 1322835349 998677 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :progyribure < 1322835354 346346 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: grant? < 1322835356 758333 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1322835364 899863 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that sounds less cool < 1322835373 34473 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you have to like spend it a certain way don't you < 1322835377 453030 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1322835386 724122 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's for living expenses < 1322835390 678138 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah cool. < 1322835401 290401 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-248-47.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1322835434 675130 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-192-37.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1322835434 777300 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you should buy a nice TV and a PS3 and play Demons' Souls < 1322835447 497066 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And maybe some food too. < 1322835457 431022 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there's any money left after the essentials. < 1322835464 210911 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like those mentioned above. < 1322835465 869220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: my grant comes more gradually < 1322835466 65390 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh 23000 euros is plenty for food. poor American white trash could live off of that for a year at least. < 1322835474 219287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just look at my bank account and find that there's more money in there than I remember < 1322835489 658803 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: mine too, probably. i'm just polishing the facts a bit. < 1322835505 31337 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to live off it for a year. it's actually just my normal salary. < 1322835515 61571 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :My grant just somehow goes into some (rather large, I think maybe 80% or so?) percentage of my regular monthly salary. < 1322835518 442217 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps even slightly less since i just got a raise. < 1322835520 80290 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know the details. < 1322835530 68272 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah maybe mine does too < 1322835535 575158 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's from väisälä, you may know it < 1322835541 219498 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you could probably get like, what, 92 high-class escorts (read: prostitutes)? < 1322835554 429956 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know where to get those in finland < 1322835568 82879 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the rest of the paycheck comes from some place, but I don't know where. Maybe it's the... department? I don't know, the bureaucracy is confusing. < 1322835591 902464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I'm amused that you know the price that accurately < 1322835595 843687 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of you guys have grants? weird. < 1322835601 911534 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just get paid. < 1322835613 203662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: my grant and paycheck are added separately < 1322835618 486706 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my paycheck currently comes from the "project" of my supervisor (in math, project just means... nothing) < 1322835618 627924 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well it was an estimate. < 1322835619 615360 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have an income. i get 'supported' by my family < 1322835625 52542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :amusingly, the paycheck has many times more bureaucracy < 1322835631 651757 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to complain. i do nothing to deserve an income < 1322835643 764230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: that was the case for me before I got a job, too < 1322835652 498618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I imagine it's the case for pretty much everyone too young to have a job < 1322835684 926400 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is currently supported by his family /and/ making money.
< 1322835685 734191 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : im not on a dole either.. and im relatively happy really < 1322835688 620346 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: up to now, i just had a paycheck, but my supervisor asked me to apply for a grant since he ran out of money for next year because he desperately needed to fish a good student for himself. < 1322835693 510381 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for now. I intend to move out sometime next year. < 1322835706 230150 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: academia is weird. < 1322835728 438773 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the student might have gone with a different professor if he'd waited. < 1322835735 336102 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i chat with a lot of people more intelligent than me < 1322835756 684164 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not good for my relative sense of intelligence :D < 1322835772 501853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I think most people do, actually; people tend to gravitate towards people with similar levels of intelligence < 1322835776 909034 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well... I have a regular salary selected from our salary tables, but I have this four-year "Doctoral Programme" position from http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/hecse/ too, so that money gets somehow funneled in as a "funding source" into whatever percentage of my salary it happens to cover, and the department makes up for the difference from some other project/funding/whatever. < 1322835782 181133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus will tend to meet people more intelligent than themselves, no matter how intelligent they are < 1322835788 519690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, how complex < 1322835790 731979 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh.. thats a positive < 1322835802 330216 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes terrible web apps for a living.
< 1322835804 840869 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gravitated towards #esoteric < 1322835807 148679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(exception: the most intelligent few people in the world) < 1322835832 575104 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I'm certainly not as intelligent as most people on this channel, but I still consider myself intelligent. do you know why? < 1322835836 288547 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because: real world < 1322835838 217857 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are stupid < 1322835845 550193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's much simpler for me; I have a 75% part-time PhD (which I'm being funded by the department to work on, at the suggestion of my supervisor), and am paid directly for a 25% part time teaching job < 1322835869 180139 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: if i had to judge, my question would be, do you realize there are inherent contradictions to such statements? :D < 1322835871 398791 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've considered going getting a Phd at some point, but... I don't know if it's worth it. < 1322835890 606444 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: there aren't < 1322835917 979477 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking oneself too seriously leads to a holistic decrease in intelligence < 1322835925 502288 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1322835935 692973 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION takes everything SERIOUSLY AAAAAAH
< 1322835938 223017 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. :) < 1322835995 84551 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean... eh.. nevermind.. i need to be in another mood for that silly topic of mine < 1322836003 322615 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Condor, this "let's use our idle desktops as a computing grid" thingie, has a confusing -help for some commands: < 1322836004 261736 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oklopol: fizzie: the problem with me getting a Ph.D in Computer Science is that I don't really think I will be very /good/ at research. < 1322836004 544912 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ condor_hold -help |& grep addr < 1322836004 708867 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : -addr Connect directly to the given "sinful string" < 1322836008 465927 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or pretending that I'm researching. < 1322836039 560202 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What makes an "ip:port" sinful is unclear to me. Maybe it refers to struct sin_addr. < 1322836041 298253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that could be a problem < 1322836053 189108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it helps to have an obvious thing to be working on already < 1322836058 516645 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i might just be a good student and a horrible researcher, but this seems to be going well < 1322836060 303795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the hardware compiler, in my case < 1322836064 819661 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have something like 50 theorems now < 1322836071 571065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1322836076 333094 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I work on side projects sure, but nothing that's groundbreaking < 1322836082 801012 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, I have 3 papers, which contain an average of less than one theorem each < 1322836083 706698 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and three publications < 1322836088 181166 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't write a paper on how I made a program that randomly generates words. :P < 1322836095 215581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, it's known techniques < 1322836101 862387 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I hope you are naming them with a numbering scheme, so that you can have people referring to "oklopol's 37th theorem". < 1322836105 510465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the general point of PhDs is that you're expanding the boundaries of knowledge < 1322836110 79192 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1322836123 285623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is proving new results, whereas what I'm doing is basically programming < 1322836132 686642 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: uhhh.... this is a difficult topic. in the end intelligence as a measurement crumbles under it's own weight. < 1322836133 459212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's coming up with new algorithms, I guess, looked at from the mathematical view < 1322836152 58565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when we prove theorems, it's either to prove that they produce the right results, or that they always terminate < 1322836152 906971 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think many of them will ever be referred to, this is the number of theorems that aren't trivial to prove, the number of useful results is way less. < 1322836161 14319 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe as I focus on new side-projects I'll come across something somewhat new. < 1322836166 842113 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess what i am saying is there is a mild sarcasm for me whenever i use that word intelligent < 1322836167 365760 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*something < 1322836168 744724 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming can be a research topic < 1322836178 93445 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :But results tend to become dated < 1322836184 127769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: we couldn't believe that what we were doing was new, in some cases, but it turned out that it was < 1322836217 550623 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have some computational results, decidability and semidecidability stuff < 1322836225 830046 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe I should focus on what interests me outside of computing. I have a pretty strong grasp of signal processing as it relates to music. I could probably find something new there. < 1322836226 199608 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: uhhh.. like.. you know.. theres tangible intelligence and intangible intelligence *pulls hair out* < 1322836240 820713 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly on zero entropy sofic shifts, since we're trying to get to a CS conference that emphasizes this < 1322836281 749469 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I generally don't think that the many different kinds of intelligence are truly quantifiable. IQ has statistical importance but there are other ways to think of what intelligence means. < 1322836287 494827 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not 50, the number was 37 last i checked, but that was after summer and we have 3 new results this week i think < 1322836294 898541 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it might be about 50 but dunno < 1322836299 683251 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Zero entropy sofic shift" sounds like something straight out of some new age crackpot website. < 1322836300 344447 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 12 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1322836310 297269 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ;_; the topic of intelligence itself is indeed one that requires intelligence to traverse < 1322836317 311460 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm counting mine and my colleague's, there's a couple that he proved and about half are joint work < 1322836327 917487 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in particular I've been considering that there are a number of combinators that you can apply to form rhythmic patterns. It may be under some existing generalization though. < 1322836378 897683 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott FFS, find a way of messaging me that doesn't overflow so easily. < 1322836379 550742 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1322836389 109399 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the simplest would be parallel and serial combinations. < 1322836397 159190 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but perhaps there are more. < 1322836399 481280 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sofic shift is just a shift space defined by a labeled directed graph, they are the closure under factor maps of subshifts of finite type, which on the other hand are exactly the subshifts defined by a clopen set < 1322836405 142352 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a natural sense < 1322836432 931065 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :And time has four corners < 1322836435 243059 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and zero entropy means the topological entropy of the dynamical system where the left shift is the dynamics < 1322836471 983656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: does lambdabot overflow? < 1322836477 291198 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :when messaging < 1322836481 754686 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a nice characterization for these < 1322836510 467193 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea who i'm talking to < 1322836511 482838 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1322836533 847367 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm also you can shrink and expand rhythmic patterns. < 1322836563 336239 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could combine two rhythms serial (basically end to end) and also have the result be the same duration as the originally, basically doubling the speed of both. < 1322836609 711997 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm pretty sure these notions of serial and parallel exist elsewhere. If you model rhythms as a linked list, then the serial combinator is just (++) in Haskell. < 1322836636 767723 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you work hard on this, you might successfully get hired by whoever puts those bland pop tunes on the radios < 1322836645 306417 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1322836653 54756 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to algorithmically generate pop? sounds... uh... good < 1322836670 407309 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would change pop forever by NOT USING FUCKING 4/4 TIME SIGNATURE FOR EVERYTHING
< 1322836672 596150 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds profitable. And Orwellian < 1322836699 539823 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah why is 4/4 so popular. Nothing wrong with 2/4, 3/4, 2/3 and so on IMO < 1322836707 198153 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taylor Swift's latest single will be 5/4 7/4 5/4 < 1322836713 506708 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't even use time signatures any more! They steal time signatures from older tunes. < 1322836726 778164 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, just 5-7-5, the denominator is irrelevant to the actual meter) < 1322836727 316811 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at breakbeats < 1322836766 891681 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fibonacci time. 1-1-2-3-5 < 1322836789 181262 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could have like, i,j-Fibonacci time. < 1322836804 233263 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :i and j being the interval you want to use. < 1322836819 615691 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something. :P < 1322836843 878866 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use nothing but concatenated permutations of a set of tones. Oh wait. < 1322836861 589390 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i think sofic shift spaces are like the two-sided infinite generalization of regular languages < 1322836889 471070 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Tool song "Lateralus" has one part where the syllables in each measure of lyrics follow the pattern: 1 1 2 3 5 8 5 3 < 1322836905 205104 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a finite automaton, but it never stops nor has it ever started < 1322836948 983463 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they are exactly the subshifts whose language is regular, and a regular language that's factor closed and extendable gives a sofic shift < 1322836961 463151 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I think I'll use subsequences selected from an infinite continuum of sinusoids. < 1322836975 731721 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You mean a duracell-powered finite automaton? < 1322836979 60273 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my definition makes more sense in symbolic dynamics < 1322836982 535608 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: pretty much < 1322836983 9429 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo < 1322836990 491539 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how it's mostly used < 1322837005 631839 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it's the closure of sft's under factors < 1322837078 69561 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Festival pronounces "Phantom_Hoover" as "phantom-underscore-hoover". < 1322837151 531716 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that how everyone pronounces Phantom_Hoover? < 1322837161 529361 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shockingly, no < 1322837172 317280 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pronounce it as "Wally" < 1322837191 909759 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 QUIT :Quit: ORLY? < 1322837196 518615 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I pronounce "Wally" as "[;[8]]&*]6" < 1322837211 344852 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some pronounce it 'asshole'." No, I mean, I wouldn't spell out the underscore if someone told me to read these IRC logs out loud. < 1322837232 902999 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl [;[8]]&*]6 < 1322837233 310471 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Number found where operator expected at /tmp/input.7581 line 1, near "*]6" < 1322837240 342650 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl [;[8]]&*] < 1322837240 646916 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error at /tmp/input.7641 line 1, near "[;" < 1322837244 545632 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl [[8]]&*] < 1322837248 34124 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go. < 1322837304 247744 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was /almost/ valid Perl. :P < 1322837335 170251 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print *] < 1322837335 514343 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*main::] < 1322837360 868510 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print *]{SCALAR} < 1322837361 232726 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCALAR(0x7f7155eaebf8) < 1322837368 516831 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print ${*]{SCALAR} < 1322837368 826462 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Missing right curly or square bracket at /tmp/input.7956 line 1, at end of line < 1322837369 864281 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1322837396 215848 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print ${*]{SCALAR}} < 1322837396 502577 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.010001 < 1322837443 771995 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ais523: have you ever found a use for typeglobs now that Perl 5 introduced refs? < 1322837471 579520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: injecting variables into other package's symbol tables; this makes the most sense in a library designed to generate code < 1322837490 167065 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print []|*] < 1322837490 482735 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ksi::}7f625ec6ed48) < 1322837515 213384 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't, but I haven't been doing very "deep" Perl either. < 1322837516 42986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. you write a library which adds extra functions to packages that reference it < 1322837524 883184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wait, how does that work? < 1322837537 109759 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just bitwise-ors the bytes. < 1322837539 960003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, it's a reference bitwise-ored with a symbol table entry < 1322837550 614073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, err, what? < 1322837551 239044 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of "*main::]" and "ARRAY(0xwhatever)". < 1322837561 959323 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print [[8]]&*] < 1322837568 226418 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1322837577 610315 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print [[8]]|*] < 1322837577 862695 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ksi::}7fdd767b69e8) < 1322837592 527975 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The anded version starts with a null byte, sadly, so EgoBot won't print it. < 1322837604 911819 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid C. < 1322837676 907199 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1322837697 739404 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is there anyway to enfroce a bit width of 8 on Perl scalar values? < 1322837716 515537 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to play around with a simple 8-bit synthesis in Perl. I could just use C but.... why not use Perl instead if I can. :P < 1322837746 782837 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1322837750 605650 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know; they *could've* made "use integer" take a bit-width (like "use integer 8;"), but it doesn't. < 1322837762 392014 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D2AF.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322837771 498690 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just &0xff everywhere, of course. < 1322837844 692037 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a possibility < 1322837866 632274 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I think is a bit weird is how "use integer" makes the always-integral bitwise things (&, |, ^, ~, <<, >>) use signed integers instead of the unsigned ones they usually use. < 1322837906 276679 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl $a = ~0; { use integer; $b = ~0; } print "a $a, b $b"; < 1322837906 617682 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 18446744073709551615, b -1 < 1322837933 573064 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it makes some amount of sense, I just think unsigned integers are somehow more... integery. < 1322837940 544081 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, *that* probably doesn't make any sense. < 1322837943 423954 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1322837959 942587 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie and his arbitrary notions of integeriness < 1322837984 256572 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mayb "use integer" is like saying "use /all/ the integers" < 1322838022 353179 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :even those negative ones. < 1322838046 991129 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I find strange about bitwise operators in high-level languages is that normally those languages don't specify anything about the bit composition of values. < 1322838053 465542 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just seems out of place. < 1322838171 592726 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :negative integers? someone still believes in those?? :D < 1322838185 861146 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..? < 1322838195 61340 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, that article that supposedly proved peano axioms are inconsistent, it was retracted and there's no trace of it anywhere :D < 1322838205 901229 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. < 1322838219 26462 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the revelation was simply too shocking < 1322838230 580351 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had to be concealed. < 1322838231 113655 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: if you multiply two negative integers, you get a positive one, that's fucking ridiculous < 1322838237 162093 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can anyone think that's true < 1322838242 431616 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..... < 1322838248 378981 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore there are no negative integers < 1322838254 197013 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bahaha < 1322838264 82235 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> bitSize (1 :: Integer) < 1322838265 98240 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it would make sense if the result continued to be negative.. < 1322838265 257842 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Data.Bits.bitSize(Integer) < 1322838269 84706 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was actually an argument used when these were introduced < 1322838269 985683 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, it has no size. :/ < 1322838296 619382 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then who knows what would happen when you tried to multiply a negative and a positive.. < 1322838300 656329 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if negative * negative = negative < 1322838308 855431 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ * - = ..... +-? < 1322838313 879778 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was really no concept of a mathematical object back then < 1322838323 146268 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1322838325 41724 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :another proof < 1322838329 3973 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that they don't exist < 1322838335 946587 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no you could totally do it that way < 1322838342 679479 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that + * - = +- < 1322838344 488262 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow, i have to go to a party 8Z < 1322838348 201914 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1322838355 899537 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1322838359 118502 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol THE SOCIALITE < 1322838361 69453 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye. < 1322838393 926849 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol the SOCIALIST < 1322838410 875799 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "socialite" is the no-sugar version of a "socialist". < 1322838416 321665 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ais523: conjecture with me what would happen if you made multiplication of a positive number and a negative number have two possible results < 1322838465 788301 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ * - * - < 1322838506 828604 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyhow, i have to go to a party 8Z < 1322838507 515961 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1322838512 743509 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a running man smiley < 1322838520 989768 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's still commutative I think.. < 1322838554 393474 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can smileys be commutative? < 1322838561 262266 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they're running yes < 1322838563 725548 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're commuting somewhere < 1322838570 270278 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not what I was talking about obviously :P < 1322838634 818163 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er.... no maybe it's not commutative < 1322838656 842833 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 * -3 * -4 evaluating left to right < 1322838665 73670 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :+-6 * -4 < 1322838678 798295 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's still just... +-24 < 1322838704 476044 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure it's not +--24. < 1322838706 910397 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though there are three results two of them are the same < 1322838727 377964 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you did it that way then it would result in it being non-comutative I think < 1322838731 473313 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then < 1322838740 657247 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :-4 * -3 * 2 < 1322838744 170366 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the Copenhagen interpretation of arithmetic < 1322838757 536543 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :evaluating left to right, would produce just +-24 < 1322838770 226078 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of +--24 < 1322838774 626299 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNLESS < 1322838778 288692 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :- * - = -- < 1322838783 899090 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... okay nevermind < 1322838789 231998 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :screw this direction of thought < 1322838797 62248 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only have +, -, and +- < 1322838798 367792 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :LO < 1322838802 799848 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/LO/:P/ < 1322838825 937176 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lo, there are many planets in the archipelago of worlds. < 1322838830 969897 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Low colon pee < 1322838873 200493 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :help I affiliate myself with madmen. < 1322838903 988892 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/affiliate myself/confederate/ < 1322838909 210422 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWWW YEAH +1 WORD CHOICE < 1322838945 700415 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :inb4 "not +-1 word choice" < 1322838950 834389 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something similar < 1322838952 168225 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and, in turn, many archipelagos on the planets. < 1322838971 249297 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: dude what if there are universe archipelagos < 1322838985 65185 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Univarchipelagos. < 1322839005 982972 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... like, univunivarchipelago < 1322839023 64697 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IF EVERYTHING SMALL IS A SMALL VERSION OF SOMETHING BIG. < 1322839069 696867 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an island in the sea around here, on which there's a lake, in which there's a small islet, on which there's a puddle. (Didn't someone make a comic out of this already?) < 1322839103 108667 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That island must make great target practice for bomber pilots < 1322839105 275462 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, careful now, too much of that kind of thinking and you're ruining Minecraft's terrain gen. < 1322839147 802269 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric is an peoplarchipelago < 1322839163 41991 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people are CELL ARCHIPELAGOS < 1322839164 750985 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg < 1322839167 37977 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zaaaaah < 1322839526 797439 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any four-signed number systems out there? < 1322839735 599794 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a four-signed number would mess up 1 as the multiplicative identity < 1322839741 817097 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 would still be the additive identity though < 1322839848 398154 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you just kept 1 as the multiplicative identity and made multiplication asymmetric < 1322840554 500485 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1322840795 851655 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322841372 325059 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1322841953 527419 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322841997 917186 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram blog on the fold function: "It shows unusual mastery of functional programming constructs to achieve a beautiful graphic result." < 1322842152 935894 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322842504 730098 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1322842639 676099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1322842666 548521 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you're in my top two people who are, or I think are, in Birmingham < 1322842671 823402 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holloo. < 1322842690 506717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: there's quite a lot of evidence that I'm usually in Birmingham < 1322842694 63568 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you're my favourite person in Edinburgh. By a long way < 1322842699 749626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that doesn't imply I'm in Birmingham right now, it makes it quite a bit more likely < 1322842726 379716 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only conclude that you either a) hate someone else in Edinburgh or b) aren't very good at being pedantic. < 1322842739 904761 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know many Edinburghians < 1322842747 9363 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much only you < 1322842797 238008 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, only you < 1322842797 300092 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And possibly Alexander McCall Smith < 1322842833 112139 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recognise the name, and I'm not entirely sure it's as an author. < 1322842869 947732 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably just as an author, actually. < 1322842903 911744 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1322842904 913831 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did the 44 Scotland Street and Number 1 Lady's Decective Agency books < 1322842907 638657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two of those names are kind-of familiar to me < 1322842937 590415 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be extremely surprised if neither 'Alexander' nor 'Smith' were familiar to you. < 1322843001 974633 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1322843016 194073 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mum met him once when he came to Hexham < 1322843016 325999 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the other person who lives in Birmingham who I have heard of is possibly the author of Gunnerkrigg Court < 1322843030 949809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1322843041 318873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are quite a lot of famous people from Birmingham, because it's quite large < 1322843051 345634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, they're not generally famous /for/ being from Birmingham < 1322843082 672175 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, I'm confused. < 1322843093 170304 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I change the source of mueval to import some modules < 1322843099 861390 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I run the build script to install it < 1322843104 505345 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and.... nothing changed? < 1322843122 978399 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh possibly the wrong mueval. < 1322843209 918309 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, no < 1322843311 913906 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1322843320 686938 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there we go < 1322843326 848074 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :had to do Setup copy instead of install for some reason? < 1322843718 883175 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322845236 235053 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322845492 70320 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1322846756 417601 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322846926 601797 :elliott_!elliott@95.149.243.54 NICK :elliott < 1322846929 406676 :elliott!elliott@95.149.243.54 QUIT :Changing host < 1322846929 460250 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1322847408 681283 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:30:46: elliott_: is how you prevent Perl from interpolating in a shell command < 1322847408 854837 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:31:06: if you're using system or whatever else you would just pass a single quoted string obviously. < 1322847411 687120 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: that is not the problem < 1322847421 38563 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: how do i pass args in a list like python subprocess < 1322847514 902284 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1322847515 562063 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1322847558 911802 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um... < 1322847566 157735 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how? < 1322847568 909109 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember subprocess. < 1322847579 300300 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1322847579 644336 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the hardest language to debug? < 1322847584 64191 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ls', '-l', 'filename with spaces' < 1322847590 798309 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is necessary to avoid shell injection < 1322847595 722580 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you want system? < 1322847601 93077 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or exec, depending on if you want to wait or not. < 1322847611 845999 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :system waits for the child to finish, exec doesn't < 1322847617 261088 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Malbolge? < 1322847629 769023 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i guess i agree < 1322847629 997692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good IDE would help, though < 1322847633 777222 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1322847646 495463 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how do I do perl's `...` but with an argv instead of a string or do i have to emulaet it myself < 1322847646 958646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :showing both original and normalized views of memory at once, and probably encryption chains too < 1322847651 124184 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: it's not system < 1322847662 588099 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be done with exec but that's a painfully low-level interface < 1322847669 582329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there's no operator for doing that straight off, I don't think < 1322847676 336950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's almost certainly a library, probably a standard one < 1322847684 428288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm, what about piped open? < 1322847692 386188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never used it, but I think that's what you need < 1322847693 998390 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't that look like '|foo bar' < 1322847697 301685 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not an argv < 1322847717 522455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there's a four-or-more arg version of open < 1322847729 834916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which does take an argv as the extra arguments at the end < 1322847753 260674 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1322847755 446891 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you want to pass the argv directly.... < 1322847759 673010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :open my $fh, '-|', 'somecommand', @argv; < 1322847772 360139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then $fh is its stdout and you can just read it via the normal means < 1322847777 101913 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1322847781 811864 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds doable < 1322847906 542440 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1322847926 96975 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, when would you use CReal? < 1322847940 572334 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you want computable reals < 1322847951 183213 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't know whether you do or not, you don't < 1322847964 154067 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would basically be to avoid floating point errors? < 1322847969 946873 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1322847973 630833 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's Rational < 1322847997 197457 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would basically be to avoid floating point errors when you're not dealing with rational numbers? < 1322848008 752858 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are dealing with rational numbers < 1322848011 826890 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :floats are an approximation of rationals < 1322848015 827565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: if it's referring to all computable reals, it only work properly on irrational numbers < 1322848018 692457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*works < 1322848027 414663 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: huh? < 1322848030 473959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :computable reals that happen to be equal to integers can't actually be converted to decimal expansion < 1322848037 67094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still compute with them < 1322848044 348798 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, I don't know what you're talking about < 1322848047 870093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't do < or > on computable reals unless the numbers happen to actually be different < 1322848049 703386 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CReal can output approximate decimals just fine < 1322848053 439304 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what about pi? < 1322848057 61441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's got nothing to do with decimal expansion < 1322848059 878153 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: if your question involves "avoid", "errors", you don't want CReal < 1322848060 330263 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's irrational and approximated by float. < 1322848067 198420 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: unless you're a mathematician, you don't want CReal < 1322848068 630751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm thinking of infinite-precision real numbres < 1322848072 434193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*numbers < 1322848074 446076 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a theoretical CSist < 1322848082 196140 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I pretend to be one of those? < 1322848089 454953 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nobody uses the infinite-digit representation < 1322848090 820160 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: no. < 1322848090 912899 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1322848094 980393 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have no use case at the moment. < 1322848099 529911 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: here's some things CReal can't do: < 1322848099 583790 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was merely curious < 1322848102 836949 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: terminate when you do (a == a) < 1322848110 720018 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: terminate when you do (a > a) < 1322848114 922359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've been to seminars where infinite-digit representation was involved < 1322848115 276520 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: terminate when you do (a < a) < 1322848129 40874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the main difficulty, as you're mentioning there, is comparing two numbers that happen to be equal < 1322848135 583830 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the main difficulty is arithmetic < 1322848137 876689 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you mean /always/ terminate right? < 1322848141 172575 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just a property of the computable reals < 1322848141 435332 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let a = 1.23 :: CReal in a == a < 1322848141 821816 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: no < 1322848142 599741 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1322848146 182836 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that's a cheat < 1322848149 497675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: no, you get an infinite loop whenever you compare a number to itself < 1322848154 262372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CReal's (==) instance just does it to an approximation < 1322848160 621667 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1322848167 189534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, I guess it's approximating with the decimal expansions too? < 1322848168 728045 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that's Few Digits' CReal < 1322848174 370727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, there's always a chance that the last digit is wrong? < 1322848177 870982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense < 1322848203 10616 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, um, you can always take a CReal to within a given precision < 1322848207 307090 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. "pi to 0.0000001" < 1322848228 15122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, and your result will have more digits than you asked for, with the last potentially being wrong < 1322848236 73978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't say "pi to 8 decimal places", though < 1322848252 571504 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they should be renamed to "undecidably equal reals" < 1322848260 223962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can because pi is irrational, but you couldn't if there was a chance that the number was actually accurate to 8 decimal places < 1322848270 305685 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: you act like you were expecting computable reals to be useful for computation < 1322848295 177106 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. < 1322848301 369767 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> pi ::CReal < 1322848302 628562 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841972 < 1322848305 832839 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :delicious cereal < 1322848327 58516 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sourcereal.com/ < 1322848335 125897 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: such a good site < 1322848360 36336 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so CReal isn't good for like... high precision math because it doesn't terminate often? < 1322848376 95406 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: even if computable reals were useful for computation, Few Digits is incredibly slow < 1322848382 647228 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as are all the implementatinos, because... they're not useful for computation < 1322848393 397562 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's theory. unless you're a theorist, you don't care. < 1322848402 284274 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Few Digits is not fast. Few Digits is part of my Ph. D. research. My goal is to implement an exact real arithmetic package in Coq that is proven correct (with respect to C-CoRN) and is sufficiently fast. The goal is to be fast enough to prove the inequalities required by Hales’s proof of Kepler’s Conjecture." < 1322848443 805953 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I only want to use CReal if I'm proving the inequalities required by Hale's proof of Kepler's Conjecture < 1322848447 234754 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it. < 1322848467 142685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've been to a seminar that was using computable reals to calculate pi to infinitely many decimal places < 1322848474 503172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we've been using the resulting program as a test of the hardware compiler < 1322848486 51983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the basis that it's the sort of program that makes no sense to typical hardware compilers < 1322848488 563241 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's, err, noteworthy enough for a seminar? < 1322848495 9224 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do that in five lines of Haskell < 1322848507 653292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was about computable reals, and just an example < 1322848511 302890 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1322848543 529379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran the resulting VHDL for almost a week in a simulator on my laptop, it output the first 4 balanced binary digits < 1322848553 918734 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote pi < 1322848554 631135 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quicksilver says: overlapping actually shatters the language into tiny inconsistent pieces, and incoherent files off the edges of the pieces so they don't even fit together any more. < 1322848556 824269 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1322848558 627916 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote pi < 1322848560 791611 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :9) Lil`Cube: you had cavity searches? not yet trying to thou, just so I can check it off on my list of things to expirence \ 14) First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. Second, you know the rest. \ 15) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. Second, learn the rest with your NEW MIND-COMPUTER INTERFACE. \ 30) < 1322848562 598478 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1322848564 382602 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote digit < 1322848566 628354 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :427) meanwhile, I've been running a program for over 24 hours (getting close to 48 now) which is calculating digits of pi, in binary so far, it has found four digits I hope it will find the fifth some time this week \ 513) I actually had a Neopets account. I later gained a second digit in my age. \ 643) sadhu: it's been said that boole is the crowning jewel perched < 1322848569 809906 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :427 < 1322848578 673021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1322848582 756361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew it was in there somewhere < 1322848623 996502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of the slowness is all the interpretation between paradigms < 1322848690 473086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :simulating FPGA behaviour on a CPU is slow, as they're rather different arches; doing single-threaded recursion on an FPGA isn't really faster than doing it on a CPU; and there was no memoization, in a program designed to run in a call-by-need language < 1322848702 777704 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, this spam is from "Google Incorporation. (info.google@msn.com)" < 1322848709 279502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, so Haskell isn't /technically required/ call-by-need, but what sane interp doesn't implement it like that?) < 1322848716 61809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that's pretty good < 1322848734 783069 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (OK, so Haskell isn't /technically required/ call-by-need, but what sane interp doesn't implement it like that?) < 1322848740 593138 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: speculative evaluation is pretty sane! < 1322848765 487011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, what's that, and how is it different from call-by-need? < 1322848783 169592 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it isn't a complete strategy itself, it just refers to evaluating thunks even when they're not demanded < 1322848796 101758 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and looking away sheepishly and pretending nothing happened if it ends up _|_ < 1322848809 218570 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is that you predict which thunks are going to be used in the future and evaluate them ahead of time in another thread < 1322848811 438742 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus saving time later on < 1322848821 393130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see < 1322848855 186004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably that ends up somewhat concurrent if done well? < 1322848875 624597 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you could even not do it in a separate thread < 1322848880 309454 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd just have to bound the number of steps you take < 1322848894 921001 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make sure you don't accidentally make a terminating program with a non-terminating subterm less terminating than you'd like < 1322848943 99258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if it's not in a separate thread, there's no benefit to doing it out of order, is there? < 1322849024 281723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what was your Perl question about, btw? < 1322849036 938675 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, you could change [high activity][long pause][result] into [halved activity][result] < 1322849047 40366 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by using every other cycle to reduce another complicated thunk < 1322849053 89211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, hmm < 1322849054 113565 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will be forced afterwards < 1322849060 914516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't get the result any faster, but it might look nicer to the user? < 1322849069 618887 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, incremental results are a useful thing :) < 1322849080 885230 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you wouldn't have wanted to get no output until the program found every digit of pi, right? < 1322849098 127746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it wouldn't give you any output any earlier < 1322849106 751865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd just delay some of the outputs < 1322849111 205511 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: well, you could change [high activity][long pause][result] into [halved activity][result] < 1322849115 152298 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the high activity outputs constantly < 1322849115 420730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can do that just as easily with a postprocessor < 1322849117 859734 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as does the result < 1322849137 133623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yep, so you can get a postprocessor that just hides the results until it's ready to feed one to the user and make it look like they're coming constantly < 1322849150 166047 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1322849153 612438 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OK < 1322849167 609402 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: your argument seems to imply threads are useless on a uniprocessor < 1322849171 447804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine most people wouldn't find that useful, but in case it's required… < 1322849179 541421 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1322849188 540867 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: his question was about why Perl is so awesome and why he hasn't been using it since he was 8. < 1322849195 256304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, we were specifically discussing the single-threaded case < 1322849211 486290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can agree with a concurrent but uniprocessor case, potentially, although I think any performance gains will be marginal < 1322849427 557650 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice if strictness analysis worked perfectly always. < 1322849455 959670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it can't because doing so would be uncomputable? < 1322849478 473061 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but, umm, what's the difference between doing A, B, A, B, and doing A and B in threads on a uniprocessor machine? < 1322849537 860199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because doing A and B in threads can just do "A then B", or it can interleave if necessary to do something like benefit from pipeline stalls < 1322849546 717732 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think you can get pretty close to perfect.. < 1322849568 240258 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's a microoptimisation < 1322849570 933892 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: no you can't < 1322849572 230782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: indeed; you can write infinite loop checkers in practice that catch the majority of accidental infinite loops < 1322849584 359265 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :strictness analysis is harder than detecting infinite loops imo < 1322849590 67205 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. < 1322849591 47051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're not going to be able to use them for solving the world's big fundamental problems < 1322849597 533515 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's incredibly easy to change semantics < 1322849637 668685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this sort of thing's what my PhD is about, transforming programs without changing their semantics < 1322849654 955677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you have a really good type system for the transformation (which needn't be the same as that of the underlying language), it's not too bad < 1322849660 977235 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "this sort of thing" -- you took a large leap in generality there :P < 1322849668 908544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed :) < 1322849677 782579 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :strictness analysis results in rather simple transformations, they're just really tricky to find < 1322849828 780172 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:35:49: psh, come on. you can totally non-deterministically reverse to multiple past images. < 1322849828 959436 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:35:50: elliott_: I'm surprised that you're surprised at that; it's become more and more common recently < 1322849829 12708 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:35:55: I'm upset by it, but not surprised < 1322849831 455567 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't keep up with PC gaming < 1322849834 805394 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:36:12: what's wrong with requiring Steam? it's free right? < 1322849848 732902 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: must be running to play the game, requires network connection to play the game, forced updates < 1322849852 140160 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: DRM < 1322849895 922391 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Network connection isn't required < 1322849914 47348 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I haven't heard good things about the "offline mode" < 1322849915 166883 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor, in all cases, is keeping Steam running; you can often run the game exe directly < 1322849923 518874 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Mostly what I've heard is "it doesn't work") < 1322849923 699872 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's worked for me the few times I've used it < 1322849962 757118 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, my other objections are still relevant :P < 1322849977 45631 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forced updates is the only relevant one < 1322849995 257873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :existence of DRM is often relevant < 1322850012 925128 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I took "DRM" as a summary of the previous points < 1322850038 167299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, the fundamental concept of DRM is that it prevents you copying the game to a different system < 1322850046 566457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the previous points are consistent with that, but don't imply it < 1322850048 762312 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which Steam doesn't < 1322850057 733255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does if you don't own it < 1322850084 289033 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It was a summary, yes < 1322850090 923248 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another objection: You're not allowed to sell your copy of the game < 1322850096 491089 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, more generally, share it) < 1322850134 681681 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :True enough < 1322850155 972200 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think is an objection to "Steam has DRM" as much as it is "games are copyrighted and closed source" < 1322850167 750412 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Even more generally, I object to buying a physical box containing what is essentially a right to rent the game out :P < 1322850178 805501 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Uhh, no. < 1322850182 74812 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Selling games is not illegal. < 1322850197 265805 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can buy a non-Steam game box and sell it and the recipient can play the game. < 1322850199 989783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, I did just that in the case of Neverwinter Nights; went to a shop and bought the Windows version for a license to download the Linux version (from the manufacturers) < 1322850202 96245 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can buy a non-Steam game box and give it to someone else and the recipient can play the game. < 1322850210 651526 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of these things are possible with a Steam box. < 1322850247 806872 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: At least you could move those bits around and have them still work without them being tied to an account < 1322850250 650058 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1322850259 10226 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Although selling them would be illegal because [copyright law] < 1322850268 190297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed < 1322850291 392005 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: It's pretty impressive that copyright has managed to convince people that wanting to sell something you bought is unreasonable because it's INFRINGEMENT, though < 1322850307 749002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked Borland's licenses; they were pretty much "please treat this software as a physical object; it's just fine for you to give or sell it to someone else but you must delete all your copies in the process" < 1322850345 610440 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, it's more reasonable than most licenses, but it smells of lawyers demanding that bits be coerced into being like boxes < 1322850359 875387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they generally had a clause that you couldn't use the product to make another product that competed with itself < 1322850374 307315 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what would happen if you just gave people a license to do absolutely anything with the downloaded binaries
< 1322850375 723395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, say, you couldn't produce a commercial C compiler using Borland C < 1322850380 353207 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it'd make it legal to put it up on a torrent site < 1322850384 91204 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'll end up on a torrent site /anyway/ < 1322850397 985476 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if it doesn't noticeably increase piracy and the like, it sounds like a good idea < 1322850404 36148 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of all the hassle it eliminates < 1322850405 495538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm upset that game companies don't sell legal ROMs < 1322850413 311426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know quite a few people who'd buy them; I probably would < 1322850421 616610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, console game companies) < 1322850428 73876 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1322850441 898683 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately that runs into the problem that ROMs have tons of formats < 1322850444 266650 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: many years ago atari licensed some of their arcade roms to a company called star roms.. I bought a few of them < 1322850444 352755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ROM is going to get dumped anyway, so why not give a legal access route for it rather than force people who want it to get it illegally? < 1322850450 953833 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and many of them are bad (= can't accurately represent the source media) < 1322850461 120654 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the chances of the game company picking the right one are very small :P < 1322850468 416335 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*games < 1322850469 517036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people would write converters < 1322850478 794369 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can't write a converter from a broken format to a working one < 1322850484 366505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OK < 1322850486 137100 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's what happened.. star roms handled the formatting of it for mame or whatever < 1322850497 654407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd assume they'd pick a format that contained all necessary info < 1322850500 275835 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for modern roms you just need a memory dump. Much harder for snes era and older of course. < 1322850503 611993 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: consider that the vastly most common SNES ROM format is broken < 1322850507 818662 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, *formats < 1322850518 305774 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to my understanding < 1322850522 870915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, what info does it miss? < 1322850522 962366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1322850531 283347 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ask pikhq for details < 1322850549 215070 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bos.github.com/criterion/ oh my god this is so pretty < 1322850583 347147 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Valve Corporation President Gabe Newell also stated "most DRM strategies are just dumb" because they only decrease the value of a game in the consumer's eyes. < 1322850586 804985 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1322850600 189304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, is that using something like 200-space indents? < 1322850610 296999 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ? < 1322850620 250831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me take a screenshot < 1322850666 14789 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nuance's "Dragon Dictation" for iPhone has funny license terms: "You may not: -- (i) use the Service for purposes of comparison with or benchmarking against products or services made available by third parties." So you can't compare it with other iDevice speech recognition things in order to pick one of them to use. < 1322850689 372192 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ... wtf < 1322850690 229353 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what's up with all the letters blending together at the bottom... < 1322850702 311016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: where? < 1322850706 583366 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: that's a standard linux/chromium font rendering problem < 1322850713 560591 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try Ctrl + Ctrl - < 1322850720 320522 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: the link? works fine in firefox < 1322850734 658509 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh weird. < 1322850744 412660 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I thought that was going to do... nothing, but it fixed it. < 1322850749 179612 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the "no reverse engineering" clause is particularly broad too: "You may not -- decompile, disassemble, reverse engineer or otherwise attempt to derive, reconstruct, identify or discover any source code, underlying ideas, or algorithms, of the Software or Service by any means". If you're literal enough, you can't even just idly wonder what they've done, because it would be "identifying underlying ideas". < 1322850754 560118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, imgur got stuck at 79% < 1322850757 323272 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of linux.. I switched to lubuntu (lxde) and I like it < 1322850760 704449 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ompldr.org? < 1322850763 563950 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Identifying would be getting it correct < 1322850767 524558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what's that site about? < 1322850777 587336 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You can wonder as long as you wonder about the wrong things < 1322850777 730632 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Okay, "attempting to identify". < 1322850781 692803 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hardcore pornography and warez, obviously < 1322850790 687254 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, true. Heh. < 1322850792 657119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1322850796 83780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just describe it < 1322850802 345013 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, file hosting < 1322850808 298881 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not hardcore pornography and warez < 1322850811 955755 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but close enough < 1322850835 787249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like JavaScript, or a similar language; it starts beyond the left edge of the screen, and the first line is ','","");this.element_.insertAdjacentHTML("BeforeEnd",AU.join(""))};M.stroke=function(AM){var m=10;var AN=10;var AE=5000;var AG={x:null,y:null};var AL={x:null,y:null};for(var AH=0;AHAL.x){AL.x < 1322850838 303257 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Someone at work had tried to use it (they added the Finnish option just recently), got some bad results for complicated words with lots of suffixes, and wondered about the language model; felt tempted to say "no, stop! you're attempting to identify ideas!" < 1322850847 288000 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: where is that from? < 1322850847 805656 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha top files.. 2 are ponies < 1322850848 756479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the second line, and all the lines on the first screen, start level with the H in AHAL < 1322850852 379355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: elliott's link < 1322850855 272737 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no? < 1322850861 401842 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what browser are you using < 1322850862 516943 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: s.getCoords_(AH+AJ,AF+AV);AS.x=z.max(AS.x,AR.x,AP.x,AL.x);AS.y=z.max(AS.y,AR.y,AP.y,AL.y);AU.push("padding:0 ",K(AS.x/D),"px ",K(AS.y/D),"px 0;filter:progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.Matrix(",p.join(""),", sizingmethod='clip');")}else{AU.push("top:",K(AW.y/D),"px;left:",K(AW.x/D),"px;")}AU.push(' ">','","");this.element_.insertAdjacentHTML(" < 1322850868 882023 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: looks like your browser misparses html < 1322850869 355873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Firefox < 1322850884 371139 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that stuff doesn't show up in my firefox window. Nor in view source < 1322850890 827969 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :function t(Z){switch(Z){case"butt":return"flat";case"round":return"round";case"square":default:return"square"}} < 1322850892 777670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: then a screenful down from that, it starts even /further/ to the right, about one and a half screenfuls of horizontal scorlling < 1322850892 952666 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a good function < 1322850901 812076 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: run it in a non-broken browser < 1322850905 105585 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the whole page is a script though < 1322850907 235516 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*load < 1322850913 84673 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no it's not < 1322850918 867485 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the chart-drawing is < 1322850929 359730 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Chromium "let's mangle letters together" thing is slightly annoying. (I've been using Chromium lately because my Firefox got so full of tabs I haven't dared to restore-session it, and I don't want to be all ineiros about it.) < 1322850930 974566 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I just right clicked and went "view source" < 1322850937 342686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :below that, about two screenfulls scrolling to the right, are the words "criterion performance measurements" in really large font < 1322850944 981460 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can stop describing < 1322850956 442327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then various information, with a rather worrying amount of vertical spacing < 1322850961 699616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm just amused that you found it all beautiful < 1322850962 477797 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which firefox version? < 1322850964 143056 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it never used to happen to me before i switched to arch; I think Chrome might not have that problem somehow < 1322850968 863016 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because it doesn't look like that < 1322850970 307462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 3.6 < 1322850980 815669 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ha ha, I'm seeing something different to you and I think it looks nice < 1322850980 968674 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that is ancient! < 1322850984 291947 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :amusing! < 1322850985 604332 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm on 8.0.1 < 1322850985 741791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in that case, why won't you believe me when I say github is broken? < 1322850988 995496 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seemed to look okay for me.. ff 8 in linux < 1322850993 477186 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"ragepat" < 1322850996 483589 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1322850997 480251 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"ragepart" < 1322851010 342745 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: let me try on whatever luicd has < 1322851036 17872 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott fuckfacer < 1322851036 321371 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1322851040 46007 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4ecf5.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322851055 426049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ignore kallisti < 1322851055 776273 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough privileges < 1322851059 241456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1322851065 466117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I tell it not to let kallisti @tell me? < 1322851069 771920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help tell < 1322851070 52652 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell . When shows activity, tell them . < 1322851079 884503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help commands < 1322851080 238126 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1322851083 952422 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott -shooshpap- < 1322851084 268776 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1322851085 412770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1322851085 762586 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS < 1322851087 711784 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what elliott just did reminds me of when I am trying to get off the phone with someone and saying the usual crap and the phone disconnects < 1322851089 65111 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah it is broken on firefox 3.6 < 1322851099 825454 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I call back to say "bye", or just leave it at that? < 1322851100 93227 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just upgrade already < 1322851108 117809 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4ecf5.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm html5 gepaart mit ein wenig krimineller energie.. enjoy ;) < 1322851112 443227 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4ecf5.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://homepage.alice.de/hagbard/disintegration.html < 1322851118 685196 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :never call to say bye < 1322851152 230085 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I don't,, it's just awkward .. so rejoining irc to correct your /quit typo seems weird lol < 1322851153 217247 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in a modern browser it really has a very nice design < 1322851165 340042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: isn't being broken on a reasonably recent browser (Firefox 3.6 is reasonably recent, even if the version numbers have been going stratospheric recently to hide it) a sign of a badly-designed website? < 1322851199 972654 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of a clever way to format my code for my IOCCC entry. < 1322851200 252651 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox 3.6 is two years old < 1322851202 907744 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe. But then it might be a bug in firefox 3.6 < 1322851213 318102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: right, it's only two years old < 1322851214 69936 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't work in ie 6 < 1322851214 788467 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking I'll just indent it nicely and say "look: even indented nicely it's incomprehensible" < 1322851218 992974 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(kidding, didn't test that) < 1322851220 511375 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think you should design for anything but the official specs. < 1322851230 793616 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1322851231 992054 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if a browser is buggy is it not the problem of the web designer < 1322851233 420050 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: It was a /part typo! < 1322851234 132099 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1322851243 703562 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: this is a quit typo! < 1322851255 587375 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it is the problem of the browser programmers < 1322851257 727006 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: But latest 3.6.x is less than a month old. < 1322851265 871574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you disagree about that? < 1322851267 529724 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3.6.24, Nov 08.) < 1322851273 409770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I've had the best indentation idea ever for my entry < 1322851274 737302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's managed to confuse every prettypogram I've tried yet < 1322851277 978040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: perhaps; I'm not convinced that the website is following the specs, though < 1322851292 36950 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Since < 3.6.10 they've all been only security updates < 1322851296 746971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I could throw it into the w3c validator. Not sure it does js < 1322851316 577823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it shouldn't be displaying scripts it doesn't understand < 1322851324 21441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1322851324 129727 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it isn't < 1322851325 222445 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It is; your browser misparses comments. < 1322851328 617731 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: An update is an update is an update. < 1322851329 728997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it should gracefully degrade for people with scripts turned off (I have scripts turned off) < 1322851336 669561 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: glad you found my analysis amusing tho < 1322851339 703400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, aha, I think I might know what the problem is < 1322851343 398375 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"118 Errors, 5 warning(s) " < 1322851358 842163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the page have a "comment" starting