< 1323561797 607954 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B1330AB.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 8.0/20111104165243] < 1323562083 504396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is this a spambot or something? I just got a user talk page message from Phantom Hoover about the BF-inspired languages, the "brick brain brochure." < 1323562089 822691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: YOUR ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES < 1323562095 172723 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?q=do+a+barrell+roll < 1323562111 865574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, OH NO < 1323562117 442976 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUICK SOMEONE GIVE ME A TURING TEST < 1323562139 208566 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: are you a robot? < 1323562172 45497 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, no. < 1323562183 886593 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, you pass the test < 1323562208 122015 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, please inform Star651 of my credentials. < 1323562249 751433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I've explained that it's an inside joke < 1323562361 324122 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1323562468 490801 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323562650 980915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's a joke until he snaps, anyway. < 1323562665 545277 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :brick brain? < 1323562687 566770 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See the brochure. < 1323562945 898708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Phantom_Hoover considers that an upgrading procedure. < 1323562951 264599 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1323563054 111854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Star651 also top-posts, it seems < 1323563082 34471 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION always top-posts
< 1323563085 989459 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1323563094 146974 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to stick it to the complainers about top posts < 1323563095 704517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats olsner -----###
< 1323563102 854955 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are the problem, not top-posts < 1323563121 69657 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: hater's gonna hate < 1323563176 308969 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I top-post whenever everyone else is top-posting because inconsistency makes me die < 1323563220 285519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I edit my quote of the other person's post into one that uses wrapping and quoting correctly before answering it < 1323563256 880543 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dedication < 1323563380 226702 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or a waste of time :P < 1323563394 389160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes it easier for me to read! < 1323563438 615810 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott dammit < 1323563445 371017 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, kallisti, UPDATE < 1323563482 148506 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dialoglog! < 1323563567 872084 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's everyone got against top-posting? < 1323563775 770891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1323564086 95963 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: You are now graced with my absence. < 1323564095 410561 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Context without back come ever you if read to hard things makes it. < 1323564320 900562 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1323564322 343028 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1323564505 99698 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323564525 749736 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are crank physics theories always nuts. < 1323564550 626507 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're never fun little mathematical models which don't actually square with reality; they're invariably completely off the hook. < 1323564592 151042 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fond memories of vortex math < 1323564609 619207 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly! < 1323564624 393009 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323564644 56416 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was going to be all vectors and stuff, not deeply misunderstood modular arithmetic! < 1323564689 130022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vectors are deeply misunderstood modular arithmetic, from a certain point of view. < 1323564730 338011 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan if this is going to turn into some crazy group theory crap... < 1323564734 524406 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or worse, category theory. < 1323564741 296750 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION chimes in
< 1323564742 681425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no, crazy ring theory. < 1323564765 352375 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: some of the alternative explanations for dark matter uses different formulas for gra[Cvitation < 1323564792 150089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vector spaces are modules over a field < 1323564792 846565 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin, please tell me "category theory" pings you. < 1323564808 484789 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol no < 1323564813 406008 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rings are basically groups with bits stuck on. < 1323564863 901806 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also can you produce all vector spaces from the rings associated with Z_n? < 1323564873 29301 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait those aren't even all rings. < 1323564878 187998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is possible "module" and "modular" have the same origin, even. i'm not sure. < 1323564890 505764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes they are all rings. just not all fields. < 1323564907 555200 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1323564937 577065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only Z_p for prime p are fields, which is a rather small selection of all fields. < 1323564963 783184 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have the same cardinality! < 1323564980 454551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1323564985 686500 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with oerjan < 1323564990 422005 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z_p vs. Z_n. < 1323565009 534490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :each Z_n has cardinality n. < 1323565033 51533 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean {Z_p} vs. {Z_n}. < 1323565052 829941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. it's still a small subset of all _fields_. < 1323565072 682945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of which there are uncountably many, in fact to-big-to-be-a-set many. < 1323565119 755078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too- < 1323565131 760242 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The swephexp.h file does not entirely agree with the documentation < 1323565154 120093 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, damn you, ZFC! < 1323565160 168299 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1323565161 238786 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1323565186 570526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Z_p are the prime fields of characteristic p. there is also the prime field of zero characteristic, aka the rationals. < 1323565337 81999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see by googling it's a little inconsistent whether that is included in the definition of prime field. < 1323565774 417934 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1323565829 537633 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. It turns out my keyboard can, without too much difficulty, play a note 6 octaves below middle C, or 7 octaves above. < 1323565907 811845 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well done! my keyboard only does clicks < 1323565910 708152 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soooooooo useful. < 1323565933 625402 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my keyboard does clacks. it's okay. < 1323565996 82998 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :My other keyboard just goes pitter-patter. < 1323566010 984771 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it can also play a note 6 octaves below middle C. You just need a wristwatch to do it. < 1323566642 213904 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1323566685 408280 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1323567354 778770 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89AF6.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1323568382 175841 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1323568613 91918 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Documentation for Swiss Ephemeris seems to have a lot of mistakes in it. Do you know of any other ephemeris programs with free software licenses? < 1323568697 217793 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh, in Python, does r+ truncate on write? < 1323568702 181718 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it append? < 1323569601 378970 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be a bit useless to be able to read from a truncated file < 1323569712 91895 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-216-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Neither. < 1323569745 332005 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-216-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As that's just a naive wrapper around ISO C fopen, "r+" opens the file for reading and writing, with the file pointer at the beginning of the file. < 1323569751 318817 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-216-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, stream pointer. < 1323569755 284233 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-216-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's not be confusing. ;P < 1323570207 646597 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323570350 481213 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1323570652 523475 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ah okay < 1323570667 104052 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a full read of the file followed by subsequent writing will be very similar to writing in append mode. < 1323570681 965529 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but writing before reading will probably do horrible things. < 1323570816 630638 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :naive? < 1323570928 116919 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1323571254 864327 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: uh... how do I route stdout and stderr to the same file and in chronological order. < 1323571261 102315 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried > log.txt 2> log.txt < 1323571266 670874 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the order is weird. < 1323571328 503003 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also tried 2>&1 > log.txt but that didn't seem to work either. < 1323571381 416557 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>log.txt 2>&1 < 1323571396 11693 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And learn how shell redirection works. :-) < 1323571404 736273 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how does it work? < 1323571407 772797 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1323571447 303266 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I found &> which does what I want. < 1323571455 474233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :magnets. < 1323571482 691682 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: You should still learn how shell redirection works. < 1323571486 78951 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it doesn't really make any sense to me that the order of redirects would matter. < 1323571497 365176 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? They're "executed" in order. < 1323571508 310356 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise how would you, say, swap stdout and stderr? < 1323571530 916913 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay. so bash is weird and sequential and not declarative. okay got it. < 1323571541 228383 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323571548 128129 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :redirection is assigning of file descriptors. < 1323571553 592311 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1323571641 552880 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: obviously you use the flip command to swap stdout and stderr < 1323571665 158442 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip find . -type f -name *porn* -delete < 1323571678 961700 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sequential" and "declarative" are hardly antonyms, by the way. < 1323571697 510075 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure < 1323571814 821259 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: um, how does that help you swap stdout and stderr? also how is that a valuable use case? < 1323571833 149528 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: You might need to use 3. :-) < 1323571891 429414 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is 3 again. < 1323572005 646243 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-216-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use any number of file descriptors. < 1323572030 230316 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-216-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo 2>&3 1>&2 3>&1 < 1323572056 595049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1323572059 311815 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they not normally taken by other things? I thought 0, 1, and 2 were special and others referred to specific files. < 1323572065 83538 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, could possibly refer to those files. < 1323572092 908957 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-216-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0, 1, and 2 are special and others are allocated by various system calls. < 1323572123 103608 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay, I think I was confusing file handle with file descriptor. < 1323572145 900335 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :each process has its own set of file descriptors < 1323572185 521171 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-216-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Also, each process inherits the set of file descriptors from its parent. < 1323572403 681842 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do blank copies of files keep appearing in nautilus < 1323572416 230220 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with exactly the same name as their counterpart. < 1323572474 609966 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ls reveals that they have a ? at the end of their name, but the ? isn't displayed. < 1323572539 755831 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-216-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like a Nautilus bug. < 1323572587 818447 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-216-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'd be willing to bet that's not ? but either an invalid UTF-8 sequence or a character you don't have a font for. < 1323572613 170556 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly < 1323573447 476625 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1323573508 412696 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4262b.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de < 1323573550 545337 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1323573828 366760 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81ec5a.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323574255 677245 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most annoying thing about YouTube's new look is that the box in the corner telling you about its new look keeps reappearing X_X < 1323574454 918877 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: doesn't for me. do you have an account? < 1323574462 872072 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1323574467 563014 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only mentioned it once for me. hm < 1323574510 247370 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, /everything/ about the new look is rife with awesome. I am on the new YouTube look bandwagon. I'm not one of these "oh Facebook changed I want the old one waaaah" whiners. < 1323574514 556241 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT I want that damned box gone :P < 1323574525 810394 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new look is awesome, yes. < 1323574535 660719 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I basically now go to youtube instead of facebook when bored. < 1323574542 254825 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as homepage < 1323574553 46919 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :before I would go to youtube if I had something specific I was looking for < 1323574562 473392 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now I just subscribe to shit and await new things to appear. < 1323574567 392059 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :+for < 1323574584 636259 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a bunch of subscriptions. The old sub-boxes were really confusing because they were sorted by most recent upload, but showed all recent uploads, so there was no single view of time. < 1323574711 113193 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, the fact that it now by default shows every time someone you've subbed to posts a comment, likes a video or picks their nose is really obnoxious, but that's one check-box away. Ironically, one check box that it seems to remember for me, unlike the nagbox in the corner >_> < 1323575713 394034 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1323576046 664077 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are file descriptors 0 and 1 and 2 special or are they just assigned standard meanings? < 1323576402 506450 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Is that an exclusive or? < 1323576409 378747 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're special because they're assigned standard meanings. < 1323576417 741503 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can close them and use them for whatever you want, though. < 1323576598 995802 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-216-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only special thing about them is that they are stdin, stdout, and stderr by convention. < 1323576620 803859 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-216-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this is implemented by attaching the other ends of them to the terminal. < 1323576943 487187 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1323577294 336778 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. < 1323577377 184943 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes that is what I meant by my question < 1323577786 265746 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1323577840 537116 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323578928 755855 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1323578971 338162 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323579213 68608 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: You are now graced with my absence. < 1323579359 588593 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1323579521 524952 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323580625 110212 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1323581902 595723 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1323582300 534122 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-216-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, I think the Zimbabwe dollar has more value now than it ever did when it was an official currency. < 1323582328 275030 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-216-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simply because people go "$100,000,000,000,000 bill? Sweet!" < 1323582341 812909 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1323582357 762939 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323582358 66795 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1323582358 243955 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1323583613 961547 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323585347 854778 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that < 1323585368 489382 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :?thank you thanks < 1323585369 362681 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: thank you thanks < 1323585384 888476 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, #esoteric, is there any language that implements conditional and/or indirect comefrom? < 1323585402 898551 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think some variant of INTERCAL have < 1323585469 44339 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, all I needed to do was look it up. < 1323585469 537796 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-216-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems C-INTERCAL does. < 1323585514 772551 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you have to use a special-purpose conditional. < 1323586214 133931 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323586725 96553 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1323586938 340027 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: You are now graced with my absence. < 1323587521 392732 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323587731 562786 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1323588716 283509 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1323590283 641930 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323590393 943463 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could make "lower" and "cohoist" for a few of the transformers in the transformers library, and I could make some of them like "instance Monoid s => Extend (StateT s Identity)" and whatever but I don't know if it can make for any arbitrary comonad instead of only Identity < 1323590482 962879 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1323590789 336516 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any idea how? < 1323593069 189855 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-216-231.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1323593113 931836 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-225-204.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323593321 658928 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: Did you know that you are reading this sentence? < 1323593369 828934 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, update < 1323594946 823734 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1323595108 968290 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi QUIT :Changing host < 1323595109 184812 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1323595109 184897 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi QUIT :Changing host < 1323595109 184976 :fizziew!~htkallas@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1323595138 1308 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1323595163 673684 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323597627 87661 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1323598136 630029 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323599191 208250 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-9-173.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1323599191 424420 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-9-173.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1323599191 424562 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1323599254 912443 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1323599393 762783 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1323600325 897596 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323603524 927732 :cheater_!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-12.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1323606619 522076 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1323607336 420416 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that in today's square root of minus garfield, it's not clear whether the transformation applies per panel or throughout the strip, not even in the alternative version. this is because each original panel has "a" as the first vowel and "e" as the last one.
< 1323607388 556784 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/) < 1323607676 576117 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: updootlbreet < 1323608745 733075 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: GEE I WONDER WHO THE HERO OF DOOM COULD BE. < 1323609893 822586 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1323610071 36482 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323610689 948908 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323610697 557335 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1323610717 619655 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :o hell < 1323610727 167869 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norway or Jamaica? < 1323610765 964425 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Jamaica/Cayman Islands/ < 1323610802 320739 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the one in norway is less than an hour from here, so... < 1323610804 564014 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DE68.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323610809 287872 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair 'nuff < 1323610815 982937 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an idea for an esolang < 1323610825 939684 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty eso, I need to work on the lang < 1323610835 269014 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: get ready with the brick! < 1323610851 313194 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had a brick trained on Ngevd for some time now. < 1323610877 680489 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It involves a number of ants on a varying length Möbius strip < 1323610908 78882 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could still be a heavily-disguised BF derivative. < 1323610932 56329 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ants move at different speeds according to a polynomial that is associated with each ant individually < 1323610963 94483 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When they meet, something happens, depending on whether they are in the same direction or "side" < 1323610968 455367 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's as much as I have < 1323611050 627490 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overly time-dependent, would not buy again. < 1323611057 909859 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if I let the ants breed? < 1323611084 573116 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1323611102 563675 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, that would be horrible ant biology < 1323611112 743409 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's still not langy enough < 1323611129 768959 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: side? < 1323611133 31683 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mobius strip is one-sided. < 1323611138 617755 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence "side" < 1323611189 122183 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you cut a little bit the ants are on off, that gives you sides < 1323611353 805174 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So two ants can be in the same location on a physical strip, but cannot see eachother due to the tape being in the way < 1323611422 345532 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to write up a detailed spec shortly < 1323612023 980322 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1323612220 700808 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DE68.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1323612533 11732 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 1/0 = Infinity in Haskell an arbitrary decision? < 1323612543 698916 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1323612550 549906 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, compare: < 1323612554 388147 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> div 1 0 < 1323612555 854169 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: divide by zero < 1323612567 363872 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually wait < 1323612575 526258 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be to do with the spec for < 1323612579 556056 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Float < 1323612616 914309 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not part of the IEEE standard < 1323612653 32326 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> divMod 1 0 < 1323612654 209515 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: divide by zero < 1323612657 836846 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type div < 1323612659 421395 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Integral a) => a -> a -> a < 1323612666 324606 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type (/) < 1323612667 690392 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Fractional a) => a -> a -> a < 1323612669 123080 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> div' 1 0 < 1323612670 510370 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Ratio.%: zero denominator < 1323612814 729913 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just wondering if it had any basis in anything. < 1323612846 733785 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if it was chosen.... just cuz lolz < 1323612853 455722 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: it's just ghc following IEEE floating point, it's not even mandated in the standard < 1323612865 668266 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(haskell standard) < 1323612870 433580 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so how is that following IEEE floating point if it's not mandated? < 1323612872 158450 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.. < 1323612873 76560 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. < 1323612880 139826 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so then.... my question remains < 1323612886 389126 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I never mentioned GHC < 1323612890 696770 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there _is_ a function to check if your floating point type is IEEE compatible < 1323612894 695697 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t isIEEE < 1323612895 525161 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (RealFloat a) => a -> Bool < 1323612899 652078 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323612912 462457 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> isEEE (1/0) < 1323612913 852026 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `isEEE' < 1323612919 354600 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> isIEEE (1/0) < 1323612920 697606 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1323612927 333675 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> isIEEE (0/0) < 1323612928 545923 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1323612931 123792 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, okay. < 1323612933 945786 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1323612939 194070 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: i mention ghc because anyone could make a compliant haskell implementation where Double was _not_ IEEE. < 1323612958 16525 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> isIEEE (undefined :: Double) < 1323612958 711685 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1323612962 866852 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... the whole infinity negative infinity thing /is/ compatible with IEEE? < 1323612964 936075 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only looks at the type < 1323612979 425791 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: mandated by < 1323612992 887241 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION couldn't find where it was mandated in the wikipedia article
< 1323612994 316980 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik < 1323613004 556019 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1323613006 559633 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay well... is that decision arbitrary? < 1323613013 856812 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the IEEE decision to make 1/0 infinity < 1323613049 361290 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :while a mobius strip is one-sided, one can still pierce it at any point with a needle, and stick a red clump on one end of the needle and a white clump on the other end < 1323613082 376862 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and say, position red clump on the strip is in some relationship with position white clump < 1323613122 805747 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know if this is relevant < 1323613132 678869 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is < 1323613145 198562 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I will use that argument in my spec < 1323613145 376034 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe it _isn't_ mandated then < 1323613160 49260 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I can't find out because I have to PURCHASE THE STANDARD WTF < 1323613169 144600 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right. < 1323613176 196863 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yay < 1323613201 730840 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i become world dictator i will make all non-freely available standards illegal, have no fear. < 1323613207 111307 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the division you saw causing an exception instead of infinity was not a floating-point operation, why is IEEE involved in your integer divisions? < 1323613228 237642 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not < 1323613232 29099 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're talking about floating point division < 1323613262 31646 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm asking "is the decision that positive/0 = infinity arbitrarily chosen by or is it grounded in some kind of sane mathematical reasoning" < 1323613300 81627 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a decision? :> < 1323613305 715636 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1323613328 165660 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1323613331 649797 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1/0 < 1323613332 927275 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Infinity < 1323613335 888620 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone decided that would happen. < 1323613344 94633 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0/0 < 1323613345 59147 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : NaN < 1323613352 584180 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on < 1323613358 179645 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm remembering now that mathematics can't just suppose things to be natural < 1323613359 589194 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is mathematical < 1323613375 608797 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many zeros do you need to add together to make 1? < 1323613382 560590 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's based on limits. < 1323613388 697516 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :te most amazing thing about mathematics is that you can prove anything < 1323613395 808041 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can add all your life and not get there < 1323613401 546297 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore 1/0 is infinite < 1323613409 659445 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote < itidus21> te most amazing thing about mathematics is that you can prove anything < 1323613413 260373 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damnit irssi < 1323613415 188385 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :quit that shit < 1323613417 800446 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :758) < itidus21> te most amazing thing about mathematics is that you can prove anything < 1323613425 990508 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 758 < 1323613429 828772 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* < itidus21> te most amazing thing about mathematics is that you can prove anything < 1323613435 853013 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote te most amazing thing about mathematics is that you can prove anything < 1323613438 918235 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :758) te most amazing thing about mathematics is that you can prove anything < 1323613439 823145 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1323613448 355786 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c'est indefatigueable < 1323613459 302432 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1/((-1)/0) < 1323613460 212979 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : -0.0 < 1323613469 367713 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1323613482 776255 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 758 < 1323613486 144042 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* te most amazing thing about mathematics is that you can prove anything < 1323613487 190960 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I probably misunderstood what the disagreement was... I thought someone was arguing that 1/0 isn't infinity in haskell < 1323613490 145216 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1/(1/((-1)/0)) < 1323613490 810883 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : -Infinity < 1323613491 970223 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1/((-1)/0) == (0 :: Float) < 1323613492 642174 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1323613497 651519 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no there's no argument < 1323613500 948572 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was kind of just a question. < 1323613504 983972 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (-0.0) == 0.0 < 1323613505 812809 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1323613510 817794 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no argument!? how boring :( < 1323613519 147530 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> show (-0.0) < 1323613520 25811 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "-0.0" < 1323613520 790812 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, just friendly discussion. so lame! < 1323613527 611327 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think kallisti is asking what is the proof that 1/0 is infinitty < 1323613536 124884 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no, not really. < 1323613536 447538 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: when calculating division by zero, +0 is treated differently from -0. < 1323613546 363213 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, Gregor just reached level 23 < 1323613557 179227 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1323613560 664572 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is asking for the rationale of the decision.
< 1323613577 218331 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1(-0) -- this may not count though, hm < 1323613578 218768 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1323613578 757075 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: just to set things straight... i know nothing about math < 1323613580 383597 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1323613582 801507 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily it's mathematical truth under some algebraic structure < 1323613583 569387 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1/(-0) -- this may not count though, hm < 1323613584 450796 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : -Infinity < 1323613587 308671 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooooh, so did ais523 < 1323613587 817933 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it does < 1323613603 24265 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. i just pretend basically < 1323613641 747229 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: according to wikipedia the only thing it mentions is that division by zero should return NaN under IEEE < 1323613657 746701 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... I'm just wondering where and why this decision came about to allow infinity and negative infinity < 1323613662 927270 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the background of it, basically. < 1323613666 593550 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when does IEEE dictate math :> < 1323613672 483350 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't. < 1323613697 899548 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. i guess it steps in when trying to represent math with a computer < 1323613718 142605 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ding! < 1323613736 306423 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dewjdoiwejiod let's refer back to my original statement "just to set things straight... i know nothing about math" .. i can only dig my hole deeper < 1323613756 629009 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: where does it mention that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_754-2008 does mention infinities, barely. < 1323613809 678119 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.. < 1323613884 804773 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm blind. :P < 1323613963 490362 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I ask because I just got into an argument of the arbitrariness of 1/0 = infinity in Haskell < 1323613980 251191 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I made things worse by saying 2 + 2 = 4 is arbitrary. :P < 1323613991 854587 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they went into this whole "appeal by intuition" thing and I was just like "bluuuuuh what have I done" < 1323614175 568040 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now monqy is level 23! < 1323614217 775098 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh I misinterpreted. It just specifies a division by zero exception. < 1323614227 457840 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently Haskell doesn't like exceptions. < 1323614229 618635 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's all my Pokémon < 1323614279 57655 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, Vorpal < 1323614310 829316 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is still level 22 < 1323614383 648744 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: i recall a discussion once where someone mentioned ghc would go haywire if you tried to change its floating point default settings < 1323614407 817707 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just too deeply assumed < 1323614464 858659 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one thing, the underlying C mechanism is imperative and would conflict with haskell's purity assumptions. < 1323614580 131036 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well C or assembly < 1323614629 134530 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do think the lack of an exception in those situations kind of undermines the assumption that division by zero is an invalid operation and should error out or something. < 1323614791 165306 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone who _assumes_ things about floating point without actually knowing gets what they deserve. < 1323614822 762513 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell: a merciless language < 1323614831 626961 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not about haskell. < 1323614926 525422 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but it is about Haskell being merciful. :> < 1323614931 867527 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Sorry, have to go kill a housemate. < 1323614932 977260 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> :: > : > : > : > :: > : > : > : : < 1323616001 816877 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: gone for good < 1323617211 980251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently my real name is henceforth "null Kallasjoki". < 1323617249 287456 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once got booked into a hotel under the name of Random < 1323617348 20675 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :derrik: we'll miss you < 1323618453 649877 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1323618461 95537 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome < 1323618463 585217 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1323618471 775188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were you ever front? < 1323618504 561675 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: just to follow up on my last statement, so if you were to stab such a needle into a regular "side" such as a chessboard, the needle would emerge somewhere else on the chessboard < 1323618509 921626 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than piercing the board < 1323618531 199203 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you talking about Möbius strips? < 1323618535 147473 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1323618539 127365 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm Taneb < 1323618542 446586 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This will not do < 1323618546 131835 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net NICK :Ngevd < 1323618550 737497 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.. < 1323618553 879615 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Möbius strips suck, the RPP is where it's at. < 1323618562 106204 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't realize ngevd and taneb was the same person < 1323618577 724185 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're not < 1323618587 185311 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use his computer sometimes < 1323618602 645133 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha. < 1323618639 688917 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have any understanding of the meaningful implications of what i'm saying outside of their immediate meaning < 1323618702 607919 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is Ngevd's imaginary twin. < 1323618732 530703 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's elliott < 1323618805 133413 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kind of wish i had a tape measure like strip of paper for experimenting on the idea < 1323618815 797759 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, he's your evil twin. < 1323618823 851113 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i can build 1 < 1323618824 561086 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah < 1323618840 537665 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Your imaginary twin lives in Spellgammon.) < 1323619000 102330 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I was in the shower earlier today I began thinking about BytePusher < 1323619074 621368 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking how I could make Hunt the Wumpus < 1323619095 350821 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :During that, I think I may have worked out a way to do rudimentary arithmetic < 1323619167 24530 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a PRNG < 1323619171 486668 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ish < 1323619356 999769 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-225-204.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1323619363 358024 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-151.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323619470 599483 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the mobius strip i created has 34 cells on it numbered 1 to 34, and there are correspondances 1 - 18, 2 - 19, 3 - 20, ..., 15 - 32, 16 - 33, 17 - 34 < 1323619527 278309 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zipWith (\a b -> (show a) ++ '-':(show b)) [1..17] [18..34] < 1323619531 270491 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> zipWith (\a b -> (show a) ++ '-':(show b)) [1..17] [18..34] < 1323619532 774584 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["1-18","2-19","3-20","4-21","5-22","6-23","7-24","8-25","9-26","10-27","11... < 1323619568 675851 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, a links to (a + 17) mod 34 < 1323619660 809896 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :informative flow chart: http://www.lolhappens.com/4520/does-it-move/ < 1323620791 27590 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1323621876 176594 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you know anything about nondeterministic finite automata? < 1323621888 608109 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the formal definition says that the transition function is Q x E -> P(Q) < 1323621893 474796 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Befunge-93? < 1323621901 611685 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean that it's possible for the transition function to result in an empty set on a symbol state pair? < 1323621908 762296 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, what does that mean? < 1323622026 33508 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on the rules for accepted inputs I'm guessing it means that the input is rejected < 1323622029 52794 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's possible. < 1323622058 931037 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would presume so < 1323622060 507527 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask oerjan < 1323622073 149611 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff) (hist) . . Language list‎; 21:42 . . (+144) . . 149.255.39.26 (Talk) (It'd be kinda like the group blog idea, but with more of a "Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego?" vibe. And who didn't love playing that? :), http://aishwaryaraiporn1.typepad.com aishwarya rai porn,) < 1323622076 322937 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :r[i+1] ∈ Δ(r[i], a[i+1]), for i = 0, ..., n−1 < 1323622077 395077 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's the best idea i ever heard of < 1323622093 923849 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the delta function returns {} then obviously that condition for an accepted input is false. < 1323622617 51266 :kallisti_!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323622692 475705 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81ec5a.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey tetris lovers out there..if you liked the nes version you should go and try this beautigful weird retr-o-mod: http://firstpersontetris.com/ < 1323622723 751490 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81ec5a.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its kinda different..oyess < 1323622754 487525 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1323622791 186836 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is fun but not really first person < 1323622802 716671 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :first person would be much more confusing < 1323622872 590445 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81ec5a.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if thats not confusing enough for you dear elliott..try night mode :) < 1323622893 991292 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, that's fun < 1323622912 41576 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but first person tetris would designate one face of one block of the piece as the "eye" < 1323622917 894929 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you'd actually be looking down at the rest of the board < 1323622922 96723 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or up or whatever < 1323622974 332816 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81ec5a.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure..guess its part of of the joke to suggest such expectations < 1323622977 951534 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81ec5a.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :however < 1323622993 300045 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :existential crisis night mode is good < 1323623034 151978 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1323623040 672344 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81ec5a.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw thats new < 1323623084 871553 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81ec5a.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea.. the homecinema effect < 1323623380 875707 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81ec5a.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol existential crisis night mode < 1323623405 43156 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323623420 975259 :kallisti_!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how would you rotate the piece and still know what the fuck is going on? < 1323623426 547060 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :badly < 1323623435 961886 :kallisti_!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the eye is just floating below the block < 1323623442 876870 :kallisti_!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can still rotate it while looking down. < 1323623472 656714 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fundamental problem with the idea of a first person tetris is the lack of an avatar < 1323623480 310163 :kallisti_!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1323623481 930852 :kallisti_!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1323623487 992956 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you become the piece in this case? < 1323623493 178248 :kallisti_!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, oh I see what you mean. < 1323623499 669951 :kallisti_!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1323623503 794145 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just have reflections < 1323623508 363532 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pieces are really shiny and semi-translucent < 1323623511 134545 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can see yourself in them < 1323623512 940336 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the walls < 1323623521 92381 :kallisti_!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1323623525 709491 :kallisti_!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net NICK :kallisti < 1323623535 561224 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you've lost your game designer's license. < 1323623543 841175 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no this would be best < 1323623567 273065 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's still the problem of being unable to look down at the board < 1323623570 775597 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're looking at the wall. < 1323623583 166864 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why you rotate < 1323623583 589864 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1323623591 545229 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... < 1323623592 18045 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1323623598 359101 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes tetris way more difficult? < 1323623601 818268 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you played tetris? < 1323623607 2337 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's the fucking concept of http://firstpersontetris.com/ < 1323623612 97206 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't complain about /that/ part < 1323623616 998493 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81ec5a.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldnt miss them after 3 days of insomnia < 1323623620 614890 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the point isn't to be easy it's to be cool < 1323623654 679797 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81ec5a.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1323623658 715440 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1323623661 691374 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81ec5a.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :absoulutely < 1323623661 868698 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not first person at all. < 1323623680 117396 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81ec5a.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1323623692 141891 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ONLY ONE WAY TO ROTATE WORST TETRIS EVER < 1323623701 344954 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81ec5a.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you noticed santaclaus is not real? sry < 1323623791 139111 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whut < 1323623794 713069 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION existential crisis
< 1323623806 394312 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to clear ONE ROW in existential crisis mode. < 1323623810 848942 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how is this an existential crisis? < 1323623849 405046 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1323623911 606606 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tough critic
< 1323623950 82237 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323623964 247485 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1323623979 552825 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : have you noticed santaclaus is not real? sry < 1323623985 928733 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: excuse me i am santa.... stop spreading lies < 1323623992 37695 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323623995 901835 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81ec5a.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! <33 < 1323624002 436049 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, we already established that only one of us is real < 1323624009 128591 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I am clearly real, you must not be < 1323624018 762018 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81ec5a.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally < 1323624019 108011 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're obviously not real < 1323624022 991206 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm santa. < 1323624025 879011 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can santa not be real, qed < 1323624026 56661 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: does brainfuck have variables? discuss < 1323624034 692570 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it doesn't. < 1323624062 49773 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it has a great many of them < 1323624063 187445 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323624064 714906 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no constant name < 1323624071 345084 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81ec5a.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're more then right..really. < 1323624074 77663 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1323624079 465003 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: doesn't the definition of a variable require a symbolic name? < 1323624094 467780 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends what definition you're using! < 1323624135 327229 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. < 1323624173 288350 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would argue that it has precisely two variable < 1323624173 625730 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1323624187 497747 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in the language < 1323624192 31439 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tape, and the thingy on the tape < 1323624194 284514 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... < 1323624200 744409 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pointy thing < 1323624201 164549 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... < 1323624208 45365 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tape pointer and instruction pointer < 1323624229 232302 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to say whether that's part of the language or part of the implementation. < 1323624230 914123 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instruction pointer isn't a variable within the language < 1323624278 357388 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my definition of variable requires a symbolic name.. thus "variable" is not synonymous with "location in memory" < 1323624309 437786 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine is "thing that is able to vary" < 1323624316 95064 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... < 1323624321 236413 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is pretty loose, I'll admit < 1323624323 562197 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my non-computer-science definition. :P < 1323624348 552375 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say Haskell's use of the term variable can be a bit of a misnomer. < 1323624384 582843 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = 2 in x < 1323624386 280727 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1323624387 592927 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x is a constant there. < 1323624389 969483 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell does not have, to my knowledge, variables as I know them < 1323624406 709551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's ask OED! "variable, adj. and n. ... B. n. ... b. Computing. A data item that can take on more than one value during or between programs and is stored in a particular designated area of memory; the area of memory itself; (also variable name) the name referring to such an item or location." < 1323624418 658952 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Sure it does. < 1323624419 385506 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say "function parameter" is the "thing that is able to vary" in Haskell < 1323624421 623377 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f x = x+2 < 1323624425 579230 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x can vary. < 1323624429 404175 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1323624432 869917 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1323624435 555401 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"variable" is a mathematical term, after all; in x+2, x is a variable. < 1323624443 810887 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your definition of "variable" excludes the mathematical use, it's not a very good one. < 1323624453 415104 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, if I knew about those earlier, I'd probably be better at Haskell < 1323624522 301459 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I suppose in most contexts Haskell's variables refer to function parameters. < 1323624530 40786 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus are able to vary as well. < 1323624533 484768 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so variable makes sense. < 1323624634 839167 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Those what? < 1323624646 423930 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Let's ask OED! "variable, adj. and n. ... B. n. ... b. Computing. A data item that can take on more than one value during or between programs and is stored in a particular designated area of memory; the area of memory itself; (also variable name) the name referring to such an item or location." < 1323624651 230910 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's an exceptionally bad definition. < 1323624678 32817 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the variables :P < 1323624683 252985 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hint: it's a joke) < 1323624692 905305 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: [LAUGH TRACK] < 1323624743 683359 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1323624829 135224 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323624973 878467 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-22.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1323625105 810974 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1323625155 78330 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323625514 660939 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81ec5a.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :h[A]gb4rd < 1323625817 163422 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's so special about the master theorem that it gets to be called the master theorem? < 1323625862 266875 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's useful, one presumes < 1323625889 928448 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :does one presume? < 1323625896 108371 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1323625896 286969 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1323625897 820154 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only two presumes. < 1323625918 525511 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is one.
< 1323625941 543893 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/User:Star651 < 1323625944 961266 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a beautiful biography < 1323625960 975761 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1323625997 117424 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323626210 552435 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: huh, interesting, I only do server-side programming. < 1323626215 217806 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, WE ARE NEMESIS < 1323626221 269868 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was not being serious < 1323626234 25141 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you... you weren't? < 1323626236 519176 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shocked.
< 1323626269 693072 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is more an server-side offline tech person.
< 1323626354 445883 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hobbies: YAML programming, offline server-side ActionScript
< 1323626683 127010 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Brainbrain < 1323626694 157483 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really get how this any different from actual brainfuck < 1323626712 210123 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Every brainbrain-program is a brainfuck-program which takes the source to be compiled as input, and outputs the compiled source (as brainfuck (or brainbrain) code)." < 1323626715 773481 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try reading? < 1323626728 544634 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did < 1323626729 677509 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but uh... < 1323626735 325384 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck can do that too. < 1323626759 685910 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[.,] is not a brainfuck compielr in brainfuck. < 1323626765 850938 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're the same language. Perhaps that's why the "joke language" category is relevant? < 1323626767 49394 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a brainfuck compiler in brainbrain, though. < 1323626776 24111 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: No, it isn't, you're just stupid. < 1323626794 89852 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the language /interpret/ the output as brainfuck? < 1323626797 715364 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make it somewhat different. < 1323626824 967746 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, obviously. < 1323626827 110926 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all it says is that it outputs a brainfuck program. < 1323626831 538075 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :any brainfuck program can do that. < 1323626834 92667 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all brainfuck programs do that. < 1323626836 179000 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1323626840 954433 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :modulo balanced [] < 1323626853 506888 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it doesn't have to interpret it at all. < 1323626866 45306 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo ',[.,]' >comp.bb < 1323626880 893274 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo '+...' | brainbrain-interpreter comp.bb < 1323626884 495143 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiled to sdflkjsdf. < 1323626885 321703 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1323626889 798243 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ file sdflkjsdf < 1323626891 600406 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdflkjsdf: ELF binary < 1323626894 275768 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ./sdflkjsdf | cat -v < 1323626897 234573 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever the code for three 1 bytes is < 1323626922 540932 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... < 1323626925 884605 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it outputs a /binary/ < 1323626939 182034 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why it's required to at all. < 1323626945 677796 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdflkjsdf could just as well be a Perl script. < 1323627008 713696 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just... don't really understand what's happening that makes it different from brainfuck. < 1323627060 190814 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed not. < 1323627106 155172 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The simplest brainfuck compiler ever. (note that if this program is run using a brainfuck interpreter, it is a cat program) < 1323627111 374177 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in brainfuck it becomes.... a brainfuck compiler? < 1323627148 606255 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1323627150 844300 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainbrain < 1323627269 269064 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo $1 | brainfuck-interpreter | brainfuck-compiler < 1323627314 75648 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm... < 1323627315 372917 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. :P < 1323627455 229952 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but I'm guessing the difference is that brainbrain takes the output of your brainfuck program and compiles that into something. < 1323627486 560443 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which... I don't really think makes a difference at all. < 1323627545 353596 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wow you really have zero patience. < 1323627567 797232 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I have zero patience because I'm carefully being politely silent rather than telling you to stop pinging me about how you don't understand basic nesting? < 1323627599 772141 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so am I right or wrong about brainbrain? < 1323627632 999385 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand basic nesting, but not in the form of vaguely worded english such as "http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Brainbrain" < 1323627636 76110 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1323627639 519833 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care, and I don't feel like trying to understand what you said. < 1323627643 950756 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Every brainbrain-program is a brainfuck-program which takes the source to be compiled as input, and outputs the compiled source (as brainfuck (or brainbrain) code)." < 1323627669 212697 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this to me says "brainbrain is brainfuck" < 1323627677 291784 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that describes any compiler written in brainfuck. < 1323627904 182032 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*any A-to-brainfuck compiler written in brainfuck < 1323628103 133041 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-151.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1323628104 964395 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-21.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323628131 657451 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323628139 821065 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Ngevd: hi can you explain what makes http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Brainbrain different from brainfuck < 1323628227 930197 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: ,[+.,] is a brainbrain program to compile brainfuck-with-every-instruction-on-the-previous-ASCII-character. < 1323628245 789791 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : is a brainbrain program to compile C. < 1323628261 405570 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What those programs compile /to/ in brainbrain is up to the brainbrain implementation. < 1323628279 954978 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right so then that's what I said a little while ago < 1323628312 539566 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever. < 1323628321 184043 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323628347 399902 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No brainbrain interpreters exist, however, numerous brainfuck interpreters exist < 1323628364 844529 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do I win? < 1323628380 195959 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it seems to me that uh... < 1323628386 447340 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait hang onm < 1323628397 245260 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The output is assumed to be code < 1323628405 550558 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, THAT SOUNDS LIKE BRICKBRAINING TALK < 1323628424 332918 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti started it < 1323628430 516899 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a brainbrain implementation would just output a bash script that plugs its input into a brainfuck interpreter that runs the brainbrain program, whose output is then the input of a brainfuck compiler. < 1323628439 544863 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that really doesn't sound like a different language to me. < 1323628446 224401 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just some... IO shenanigans. < 1323628454 229894 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1323628454 869630 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, TOUGH < 1323628479 872437 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An intercontinental ballistic brick has been launched. < 1323628486 884030 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Yes, but we've already well-established that you have no idea how IO interacts with the definition of a language. < 1323628487 984784 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh good, it'll miss me < 1323628493 43648 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're on the same continent < 1323628504 307838 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so then brainfuck-with-PSOX is not brainfuck? < 1323628527 962064 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you just agreeing while simultaneously calling me stupid? < 1323628530 489988 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (this-is-an-interpreter-for-a-language-that-is-NOT-scheme expr) (eval (eval expr (scheme-report-environment 5)) (scheme-report-environment 5))) < 1323628708 715116 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-22.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: left < 1323628721 989287 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, it's going to go via Asia. < 1323628729 808497 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, because it changes the rules of evaluation. < 1323628738 55262 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainbrain doesn't. it just adds an IO layer. < 1323628738 787794 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic brick < 1323628749 441227 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: It's impossible to express how disinterested I am in talking to you about this. < 1323628782 569395 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, so I guess I'll continue thinking I'm correct about that. < 1323628809 44487 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's fine, I already assume you're stupid. < 1323628877 475162 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION connects the output of a brainfuck program to a socket and CREATES A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE.
< 1323628982 131170 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll call it IRCfuck. you give an IRCfuck interpreter a brainfuck program and it outputs an IRC client. < 1323629200 522162 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1323629447 987861 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "I am stupid. Therefore, everything I say is wrong by default and does not need to be refuted. QED" < 1323629454 391001 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Yes. < 1323629462 71054 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's moronic logic. morogic....? < 1323629471 411122 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you argue with Scientologists? < 1323629518 151314 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not on a regular basis. But this isn't something where I simply put faith in an idea without reason, < 1323629537 345845 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you supply an explanation, I may agree with it. < 1323629557 358451 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may. Heck, I'm sure that after some 2 hours you would. < 1323629568 515229 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But (a) it would be tedious and painful and (b) I don't want to. < 1323629742 992720 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, but perhaps this is because of poor explanation? < 1323629761 615654 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've given me every reason in the past to believe that input and output are irrelevant to programming languages. < 1323629763 639261 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 wrote "while a mobius strip is one-sided, one can still pierce it at any point with a needle, and stick a red clump on one end of the needle and a white clump on the other end" < 1323629787 465376 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have said before, I think a mobius strip is not one-sided; it has two sides but both sides are the same side. < 1323629807 55482 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Why should I care what the reason is? It wouldn't change the other facts. < 1323629878 882111 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm just saying perhaps if you were more direct instead of dragging things out it wouldn't take 2 hours? < 1323629932 431855 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of being dragged out, this metadiscussion is. < 1323630026 182256 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is it taking 2 hours? < 1323630034 698314 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not any more it's not! < 1323630187 461249 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: before it was taking 2 hours, now it is not. < 1323630216 69746 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he probably used feather to do that. < 1323630222 253653 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It that because part of the time has already elapsed? Or because of different reason? < 1323630289 737424 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: where the double-scheme interpreter changes the semantics of the language.. brainbrain does not. < 1323630297 940661 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Stop pinging me. < 1323630303 484285 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1323630405 881710 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323630553 520870 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly, is lambdabot's Haskell a separate language from Haskell-with-all-of-lambdabot's-language-extensions simply because it handles IO differently and imports a different Prelude? < 1323630560 575593 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it is. < 1323630612 850027 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thin u r los < 1323630635 726754 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no u r los < 1323630653 283248 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i c < 1323630659 834620 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :warg: Hi Deathly. < 1323630676 2535 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sig heil spelliot < 1323630691 453839 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Cough. < 1323630694 243591 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it same person or someone on the same computer/router? < 1323630705 619318 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a person? < 1323630745 710813 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just ate vegitarian chili < 1323630757 134931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, it's either Deathly or Deathly's neighbour who is just as unintelligent, has the same terrible "edgy" sense of humour, who just happened to join here after him... < 1323630765 436262 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beef is vegitarian isn't it? < 1323630772 110785 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, cows eat grass < 1323630807 6805 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you are typing about me again < 1323630809 264086 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how sweet < 1323630810 616893 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1323630831 259026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323630859 467672 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programs that are executed directly on the hardware usually run several orders of magnitude faster than those that are interpreted in software.[citation needed] < 1323630875 744767 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love citation needed on obvious statements. < 1323630885 610279 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: O, OK that might be it < 1323630889 178936 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not to say it doesn't need one) < 1323630899 224328 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1323630918 587636 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So probably it is same as Deathly. < 1323630923 770188 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1323630934 620228 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was amused by that as well < 1323631229 554057 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323631314 294559 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1323631661 215386 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323631697 503856 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323632752 376691 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thank you for freeing me!" < 1323632755 241197 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid djinni < 1323632831 268380 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1323632848 619148 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm down to 1 magic lamp < 1323632880 587893 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should reuse them < 1323632896 579117 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean < 1323632924 241328 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd much rather have a hostile djinni than a tame one < 1323632931 525544 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least then i can get xp < 1323632954 533174 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then change them to hostile < 1323632978 976793 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm lawful < 1323632987 870235 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont want the alignment penalty either < 1323632998 269338 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then too bad < 1323633006 303356 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just abandon it and hope it turns hostile later < 1323633015 963583 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TVTropes: "Inception is cyberpunk, except without the cyber and the punk" < 1323633100 360 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a movie? < 1323633109 861146 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1323633114 564343 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never seen it < 1323633116 151743 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :any good? < 1323633125 148005 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was annoyingly easy to understand, despite the hype surrounding it < 1323633156 286467 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if it was made for americans it's easy to see why < 1323633165 633415 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1323633174 570764 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :american movies are made for people with an IQ of 80 to enjoy < 1323633182 965667 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them < 1323633215 651465 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :warg: you sure are concerned about how much more intelligent than everyone else you are < 1323633249 141653 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in to matrix until neo became psychoelectic in real life and took out that robot < 1323633263 782787 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :electric* < 1323633287 462373 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matrix 3 was confusing < 1323633294 235450 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I didn't see the second one? < 1323633303 411863 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed he was in an enveloped virtual reality at that point and would migrate past it to a higher level of reality, but it never happened < 1323633339 651161 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the writers made him in to a psy-mancer < 1323633350 875114 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only saw the sequels and the ending of the first < 1323633358 193730 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't seen the first in its entirety yet < 1323633374 835850 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... < 1323633381 905572 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like < 1323633388 256484 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anti-taste in films. < 1323633413 713020 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose because he had neural implants it would be possible to create an EMP pulse with them, but the amount of energy it would have taken is beyond what his biological components could have created < 1323633414 961507 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only saw the beginning of the first < 1323633419 196626 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really need to see Primer < 1323633420 397329 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ruined the movies for me < 1323633438 322193 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly i liked johnny numonic better < 1323633444 476940 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When he took out the robot, was it remotely? < 1323633458 3607 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think if the original Matrix could have been bought from the place where I bought the sequels, I would have bought it < 1323633468 73333 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :warg: Are you seriously saying a soft sci-fi film was ruined for you because it wasn't ~realistic~. < 1323633471 665216 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should watch the 2nd one ngevd, without it it makes #3 confusing < 1323633485 77244 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only saw the first one. < 1323633492 404359 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first one was good < 1323633501 196595 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadowrun is the best movie (note: not a movie) < 1323633501 644656 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some episodes of the cartoon. < 1323633521 357388 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the cyberpunk genre < 1323633532 717042 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read gibson when i was a kid < 1323633540 722172 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i played shadowrun < 1323633540 995575 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :warg: have you read the Difference Engine? < 1323633542 988078 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89B26.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323633543 643272 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would tihnk maybe it would be possible to use implats to wirelessly trick the robot into doing an EMP pulse on itself. < 1323633545 195987 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer Gaslamp Fantasy < 1323633551 486966 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i played neuromancer on my commodore 64 < 1323633589 575328 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone who consults nerves to tell the future? < 1323633592 817639 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadowrun is cyberpunk fantasy. < 1323633622 823121 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe mdude, but in the movie, the pulse eminated from him, and it was partly within the visible spectrum < 1323633659 348324 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not familiar with Gaslamp < 1323633673 942465 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :warg: you realise the Matrix was intended to be allegorical? < 1323633683 305765 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say I like it, I really just read Girl Genius and look at pictures < 1323633684 211892 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like steampunk but with cyberpunk replaced with fantasy instead. < 1323633706 801712 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :N "just looks at pictures" gevd < 1323633715 267459 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Girl Genius is closer to Clockpunk anyway < 1323633739 51364 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'll just go back to fapping to Tank Girl then. < 1323633752 697518 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gross < 1323633754 65876 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont do that < 1323633755 56467 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do < 1323633756 330981 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clockpunk? that's a little new wave for me. I like magical post-nintendopunk fantasy < 1323633756 508528 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other things < 1323633764 973181 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1323633769 977163 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/fantasy/realism/ < 1323633788 941504 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Final Fantasy was the final fantasy, why were there seven of them? < 1323633789 486530 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other things to do: not telling us about what gross things you are doing < 1323633789 713371 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1323633804 433093 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a fan of quillpunk. < 1323633814 955537 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1323633825 115968 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :warg, Final Fantasy was so named because the company that was making it (Enix? Square?) was almost bankrupt. < 1323633830 939391 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was going to be their final game < 1323633840 592284 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, 97% of post pubescent males masturbate. 3% are compulsive liars < 1323633853 157168 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the remaining 0% < 1323633853 444052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Square, I think < 1323633857 212030 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a punk named hironobu sakaguchi decided to make some of the best video games ever to be known < 1323633868 781709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are way more than seven Final Fantasy games < 1323633876 482547 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XIV at least < 1323633886 197531 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd is in the 100th percentile. < 1323633887 830393 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :warg: how many of them are annoying in a very boring way and should shut up < 1323633902 570957 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1323633906 7101 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring in an annoying way < 1323633906 710972 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :both? < 1323633910 995479 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows, a true mystery < 1323633913 190555 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :warg: 100% of people who are warg are morons who make up statistics. < 1323633913 368174 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION faps to #esoteric logs yeaaaah
< 1323633928 580037 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1323633934 397947 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, can i poop in your butt baby? < 1323633941 405377 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gross :0 < 1323633946 163382 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really hard and consitipated < 1323633949 809750 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I'm into knitting. < 1323633952 401059 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could push it back and forth < 1323633954 398111 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, start working on a scarf. < 1323633955 830229 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BACK AND FORTH! < 1323633956 819254 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yawn < 1323633965 7761 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1323633965 977919 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember finding scatological jokes boring when I was 5. < 1323633975 432959 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it even a joke < 1323633983 563421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :warg: I suspect you're lost, are you sure you're meant to be in this channel? < 1323633984 243680 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends. < 1323633987 800832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or this network, fwiw?) < 1323633992 789132 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm esoterical < 1323633998 909213 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a programming language < 1323634000 910443 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm here < 1323634001 693913 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok? < 1323634011 119249 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst programming language < 1323634024 797615 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats what she said < 1323634026 573670 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adventures in trying to come up with something coherent based on the text of `welcome: the warg story. < 1323634037 985768 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :worse than fuckfuck............ < 1323634048 696603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what /is/ the worst programming language? < 1323634054 148824 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :worse than poopfuck ha ha ha ha ha ha < 1323634056 793859 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is warg a Brainfuck derivative? < 1323634061 748511 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOGO < 1323634065 362607 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hate it < 1323634071 664906 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :logo isn't bad. < 1323634077 147467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, LOGO's quite a nice functional language, and has an output mechanism that's nice for teaching < 1323634092 263195 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOGO's just a perfectly good Lisp. < 1323634115 973093 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cobol gave me goosebumps < 1323634130 565837 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two best brainfuck derivatives are Ook!, which I believe was original at the time, and Bub, which has been useful for proving Muriel Turing-Complete < 1323634146 991496 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is opinion, not objective fact < 1323634150 934992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some nicely original BF derivatives; anyone remember Paintfuck? < 1323634158 940471 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does.
< 1323634161 65420 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF? < 1323634163 522702 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boyfriend? < 1323634167 741482 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bestfriend? < 1323634169 861337 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :buttfuck? < 1323634170 276870 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck < 1323634172 137060 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1323634181 864148 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1323634197 890390 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :love them neural penetrations < 1323634200 590404 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :warg learns about esoteric programming languages: the movie. < 1323634212 458229 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :warg actually doesn't learn about esoteric programming languages: the movie < 1323634230 822067 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :warg is: the movie < 1323634240 331118 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no, it's a film that only ironic people understand. < 1323634241 421300 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha. < 1323634244 739785 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1323634245 127053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 TOPIC #esoteric :Second to prove spontaneous human combustion wins | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1323634248 883422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, that's a better topic < 1323634260 129774 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why second? < 1323634271 981901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's more interesting than first, and zeroth wouldn't make sense < 1323634274 643204 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first is too busy being on fire < 1323634278 244345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 TOPIC #esoteric :Zeroth to prove spontaneous human combustion wins | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1323634288 934943 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, I win < 1323634310 160841 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you proven spontaneuous human combustion, Klisz? < 1323634312 159812 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like b******** < 1323634320 655231 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Nope. Therefore, I am zeroth to prove it. < 1323634355 366914 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is 'a' the zeroth number? < 1323634373 686635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, * < 1323634387 609750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%c",'0'-1); < 1323634393 585549 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/ < 1323634402 793801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I meant /, honest < 1323634409 419445 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a is not a number. Therefore a is not the zeroth number < 1323634421 863272 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Klisz has not proven spontaneous human combustion. < 1323634438 718985 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore Klisz is not the zeroth person to prove spontaneous human combustion. < 1323634461 208167 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, logic and reason < 1323634502 943669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,-.!0 < 1323634503 129343 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ < 1323634509 203834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So short and elegurch. < 1323634523 343346 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr (-1) < 1323634524 576758 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.chr: bad argument: (-1) < 1323634531 422085 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lose... < 1323634579 5515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chr (-1) is EOF, obviously < 1323634596 306654 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you divide the number of successful attempts to prove it, which is zero, by the number of attempts to prove it, which is undefined, and multiply by 100 you will have the percentage of successful proofs. < 1323634609 482251 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1323634623 449853 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 divided by anything is 0 < 1323634626 490115 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero divided by undefined < 1323634628 535525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: except itself < 1323634637 536884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a negative number < 1323634641 855370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no, just except itself < 1323634643 838762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0/-1 is 0 < 1323634647 545363 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : -0 < 1323634649 402933 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero divided by infinity is zero? < 1323634656 393666 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1323634657 474492 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinitey isnt a number dorke < 1323634663 586782 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B) < 1323634668 892884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0/+inf = NaN in floating point arithmetic < 1323634669 675101 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a conceptual placeholder < 1323634672 461114 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like zero < 1323634672 848857 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually in the extended real numbers infinity * 0 is undefined. < 1323634679 225417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a bit weird as arithmetics go < 1323634679 914157 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero is not a number < 1323634698 736177 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1323634715 609653 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :warg, you have just put mathematics back 600 years < 1323634721 8347 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks a lot < 1323634725 539728 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :warg: you and the ancient Greeks would get along quite well. < 1323634729 504496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :warg: congratulations, you're as stupid as the greeks, but over a thousand years later! < 1323634735 498807 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: haha jokesteal < 1323634738 999230 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am i feeding him < 1323634739 524289 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1323634740 375839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the ancient greeks thought 1 wasn't a number either < 1323634741 382943 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcometh to 1411 AD < 1323634759 498023 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like 0 < 1323634760 721018 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 too < 1323634762 78997 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that sounds right < 1323634763 333831 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and 2 < 1323634766 816300 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoyeth thy stay thou hence < 1323634769 139591 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 is kind of lame though < 1323634778 329742 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: if I enjoy n, then I enjoy n+1 < 1323634780 439472 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I enjoy 0 < 1323634783 931594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what person and tense is "welcome" in "welcome to #esoteric" < 1323634796 375897 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imperative < 1323634800 155705 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x != 0)/0 = +-inf < 1323634804 239282 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Present < 1323634813 464031 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly passive? < 1323634814 432731 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: what kind of lameo believes in induction < 1323634821 835248 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 8=D(0)+8 < 1323634825 588569 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ...induction isn't a thing anymore in math? < 1323634828 466600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I don't think it is the imperative, that would be in a sentence like "welcome kallisti to #esoteric or else" < 1323634832 847224 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 8=D ~ ~ ~ (0)+8 < 1323634837 60280 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: not for the cool kids! < 1323634837 917127 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :warg shut up < 1323634847 442841 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~please~ < 1323634851 929685 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what do they believe in? crazy constructivist hipsters. < 1323634861 286521 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: having a good time < 1323634865 162551 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i shut up then i can't say ok < 1323634869 651125 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you cant say thankyou < 1323634869 964300 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this context, "welcome" can be replaced by "be welcomed" < 1323634877 115047 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i cant say you're welcoem < 1323634885 399523 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be impolite to shut up < 1323634896 631495 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is because you're not welcome < 1323634900 832482 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you deserve thanks < 1323634911 341922 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel so abused < 1323634913 872767 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :ais523 > 1323634913 911909 NAMES :#esoteric < 1323634914 621747 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least, that is what they want you to think < 1323634917 470282 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you loved me < 1323634919 67602 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :): < 1323634930 800653 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't start a line with a close bracket! < 1323634935 682137 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop feeding him, guys < 1323634939 163228 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::c < 1323634940 90624 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That upsets the bot I am sporadically writing! < 1323634942 331876 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, ais523 opped, feed him all you want for the next five seconds :P < 1323634953 300328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to op earlier to change the topic < 1323634958 576273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but opped myself on #ais523 by mistake < 1323634961 159563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an easy mistake to make < 1323634966 375587 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, you can change the topic without being op here < 1323634969 161340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know :) < 1323634971 473913 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1323634987 635532 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the O to the P with the dough ray mee < 1323634992 754787 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::Y < 1323635036 499391 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :warg: Do you seriously think it's "dough ray mee". < 1323635066 424662 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it does make more sense than "do" < 1323635076 396045 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in english < 1323635078 995745 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pronunciation < 1323635081 990153 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Do you seriously think it's "do ray mee". < 1323635088 668321 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's do re mi < 1323635111 712586 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1323635132 84797 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[Douglas] Adams imagined, in key of humour" --Wikipedia article [[Do-Re-Mi]] < 1323635142 727900 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's performance will be in the key of humour. < 1323635153 859713 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my latent subconcious reality warping to a supernatural level power is coming to fruition < 1323635158 801025 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :American viewers, please go next-door, for the performance in the key of humor. < 1323635163 397741 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*next door < 1323635166 769018 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone have a b******** interpretter? < 1323635179 573302 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :warg: I have some sources. < 1323635183 695869 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can hook you up < 1323635187 901957 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1323635190 726416 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gonna cost you though. < 1323635194 954235 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :being on topic keeps me from getting banned < 1323635195 660389 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1323635212 531046 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that logic doesn't apply to anyone else, actually. < 1323635224 818341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you've been on topic yet < 1323635240 105691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stringing together a sequence of words related to the topic != being on topic < 1323635242 94309 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not the zeroth. < 1323635268 884013 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you find the zeroth, you will know. < 1323635296 467761 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the oracle told me you would be the one to find the zeroth, and then fed me a cookie. < 1323635297 974381 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: turing esoteric brainfuck unlambda garbage collection imperative indirection reference counting reification thread < 1323635307 508877 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: fungot? is that you? < 1323635307 724474 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: more so than usual, t-rex? hey batman < 1323635310 689988 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1323635323 501512 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: COMPILE ERROR < 1323635333 264875 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: don't you remember? I'm the second markov bot. < 1323635350 967872 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vastly superior to fungot. < 1323635351 179180 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: don't i know you from somewhere? but, i mean, a male, i can be one of those people are going to think you're a pedophile, and he's on a friggin'. fragile, species can survive their electrical onslaught < 1323635368 922152 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, maybe not. < 1323635471 496834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1323635546 787839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : based on the rules for accepted inputs I'm guessing it means that the input is rejected < 1323635550 105715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1323635561 208936 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaaay < 1323635611 148294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that you _need_ to allow that possibility, though. < 1323635653 713295 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you do if the transition function is Q x E -> P(Q) < 1323635659 101900 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1323635660 230266 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1323635661 102043 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind < 1323635666 926543 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not necessary. < 1323635728 99899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but e.g. for the sophic shifts that oklopol mentioned, it's the natural way to reject things, since there is no actual _end_ to the sequence and so no final state < 1323635766 267006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sophic shifts are basically regular languages generalized to infinite sequences) < 1323635774 893292 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay. < 1323635840 144571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there _might_ be a restriction on which FA's are allowed for that, from what oklopol said last time < 1323635940 747559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a book on it somewhere deep in the closet, buried by the things of those housemates i still have to kill. < 1323635977 467938 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you sure you don't live alone < 1323635982 786475 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird :| < 1323635984 382984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not _yet_ < 1323635988 954023 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1323636114 863350 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1323636173 461763 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever alone. < 1323636197 885151 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is FA? < 1323636209 54958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :finite state automaton < 1323636209 763886 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fat admirer? < 1323636213 446039 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1323636219 639888 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something else then < 1323636295 945916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :warg: quite fundamental computer science < 1323636310 387069 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fa_attraction.svg < 1323636374 209111 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FA vectored < 1323636376 431318 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323636536 318085 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :warg: the sharp drop on the lower median as the BMI increases represents the poser fat admirers. < 1323636536 495889 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323636597 229584 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also lol @ BMI being used as a valid metric for overweightness. < 1323636634 327501 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1323636652 720128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :true fat admirers won't be satisfied until gravitational collapse < 1323636839 184632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : > zipWith (\a b -> (show a) ++ '-':(show b)) [1..17] [18..34] < 1323636842 20343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1323636857 665017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> zipWith (-) [1..17] [18..34::Expr] < 1323636859 144545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1 - 18,2 - 19,3 - 20,4 - 21,5 - 22,6 - 23,7 - 24,8 - 25,9 - 26,10 - 27,11 ... < 1323636896 710830 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: shocking < 1323636900 521198 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> x - x == 0 < 1323636901 996037 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1323636903 326199 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1323637188 859012 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I think a simplereflect that acts more like integers/reals would be nice. but I'm not sure how feasible it is to perform complex reductions. < 1323637208 542758 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323637326 53021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: see: the entire field of CASes < 1323637358 935036 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: by "feasible" I meant more like "feasible for me to implement quickly" :P < 1323637375 50673 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then no. < 1323637433 526079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : An intercontinental ballistic brick has been launched. < 1323637448 234689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: you're lucky Phantom_Hoover doesn't know you're on the same continent < 1323637469 981983 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read about three more lines < 1323637475 408577 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd already did that one and I pointed out my counterstrategy. < 1323637476 432372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER < 1323637486 680628 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: oerjan is actually trapped in the past < 1323637494 61432 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: so he's waiting for the conversation to unfold. < 1323637511 524304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: depressingly enough, that thought has appeared to me before. (sense a pattern here?) < 1323637628 58244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on 21 december 2012, a stray neutrino ray will be sent through the earth and hit in a particular spot in trondheim, norway, hurtling me 14 years into the past. < 1323637702 504282 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the 2012 year predictions? < 1323637723 680084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them. < 1323637729 67945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: will you be in trondheim, norway, at the time? < 1323637732 222074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except of course, it already happened. < 1323637736 168870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or will it just be coincidence that the ray affects you? < 1323637746 933712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well i'll be wherever the ray hits, obviously. < 1323637755 980503 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only prediction that I am reasonably sure of is that the Mayan calendar will advance to 13.0.0.0.0 < 1323637756 550770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, I thought it might affect people somewhere it didn't hit < 1323637764 48514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y U OP < 1323637771 216792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 MODE #esoteric -o :ais523 > 1323637771 233986 NAMES :#esoteric < 1323637781 843287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in the hope that certain people would be slightly better behaved < 1323637787 318412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1323637877 466412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ngevd, it's going to go via Asia. < 1323637880 937138 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have instance Monoid s => Extend (StateT s Identity) but is there a way to do it for any arbitrary comonad instead of only Identity comonad? < 1323637890 525413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything gets assembled in china these days. < 1323638138 997298 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uploads his source files to chinese servers for assembly.
< 1323638160 117473 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Ping < 1323638167 803702 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, pong < 1323638178 83348 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Do you have those Worms-on-Wine instructions I wrote some months ago < 1323638186 451305 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to geti t working on this machine :-P < 1323638186 975100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION downloads the official red linux version of the files
< 1323638190 315712 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, sorry < 1323638197 534888 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's something on the wiki, if that helps < 1323638199 657025 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::''''( < 1323638207 27242 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah, I know, that's the guide I tried before writing mine, because it doesn't work. < 1323638210 911488 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1323638221 524269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*red flag < 1323638527 789692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : clockpunk? that's a little new wave for me. I like magical post-nintendopunk fantasy <-- next, flint/obsidian punk < 1323638541 172425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps someone already did it < 1323638565 321545 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka minecraftpunk < 1323638587 112069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum < 1323638620 655082 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats a clockpunk? < 1323638629 939798 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm sure you can grep the logs for it? < 1323638673 247250 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That's what I'm trying now, but I'm not sure I linked it in here. < 1323638801 408259 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, Spades Slick. < 1323638821 492500 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I suppose the Felt fit that much better. < 1323638955 807770 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1323639010 476335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0/+inf = NaN in floating point arithmetic < 1323639017 892973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0/(1/0) -- doubt it < 1323639021 340292 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.0 < 1323639172 978137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm, what person and tense is "welcome" in "welcome to #esoteric" <-- i think it's an adjectival phrase without a finite verb. < 1323639199 774587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the norwegian is even clearer about using a participle there < 1323639265 348930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while the english could be a lot of forms, infinitive, imperative or present not 3rd person < 1323639279 457615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*of other forms as well < 1323639337 336804 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1323639345 356240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ato < 1323639360 124505 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hi lo < 1323639382 387450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :long time no see < 1323639384 437943 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, this place has expanded somewhat since last I was here < 1323639404 916430 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, too long. University does horrible things to certain folks < 1323639438 391379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure the number of _active_ members has increased < 1323639446 513894 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hiato! < 1323639462 872421 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, heh, ah well :P < 1323639467 831595 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato... < 1323639471 278577 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to contract that but I just ended up with "hiato". < 1323639475 907946 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :) Hello hello < 1323639478 311244 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You remember hiato right??? < 1323639485 976685 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That name... < 1323639486 904651 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :P < 1323639490 402636 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never heard before < 1323639494 687292 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, anyway! < 1323639499 746984 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato! < 1323639508 614474 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log hiato < 1323639509 756953 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: I don't believe we've met, I used to be here a while back. Greetings < 1323639527 418263 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Wow, so many names of yore :] < 1323639537 599091 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-01-11.txt:16:09:04: meh, you're right.. < 1323639542 95057 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cancer eating flesh < 1323639546 690207 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover OF YOURE. < 1323639550 114268 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1323639554 754208 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am pretty much an alternate version of elliott < 1323639555 226489 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gore being posted on /b/. < 1323639561 819309 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Phantom_Hoover OF YOURE. Oops. < 1323639564 19396 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hiato.. im kind of new and im not actually a mathematician. i just sort of hang around < 1323639566 638713 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :758) Phantom_Hoover OF YOURE. Oops. < 1323639569 810983 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smells of rotting leaves. < 1323639572 912042 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: lolwut < 1323639574 73370 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: Ngevd is Taneb who you also didn't know. < 1323639587 246256 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know me but I might have changed my nick since way back then? < 1323639591 810301 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, 'not actually a mathematician' is the best description? < 1323639593 362506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :warg: you know, i think you have sort of got a warning about that stuff < 1323639597 48550 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: fancy that, I too am not a mathematician. :) < 1323639600 125996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider this a second one. < 1323639602 87465 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a haiku < 1323639603 621021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm elliott, and I'm not actually a human. < 1323639607 1223 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah, I can scarcely recall what it was < 1323639607 702779 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :be nice < 1323639610 2333 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like the simplicial complex nonexample of introductions. < 1323639613 823047 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: scarf? < 1323639619 141123 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: scarf is ais523 < 1323639625 30000 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm ehird or whatever my name of the week was < 1323639625 568843 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, right, my bad < 1323639640 525419 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, no, I remember *you* just not all your nicks < 1323639641 424825 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1323639648 953243 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1323639662 933713 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've stayed on this one ever since i got it < 1323639679 480479 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, on my first? second? day here, I found out that me and elliott live in the same comparatively small town < 1323639681 275746 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrmm, yeah, I remember ehird, and something else (now that you mention it) < 1323639693 837996 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, don't exaggerate; you'd been here for like a week. < 1323639694 800630 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: what, really? Sheesh, fancy that. < 1323639705 789098 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: "Comparatively"? < 1323639706 50350 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was on my first or second day < 1323639706 582621 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1323639716 542235 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham is small by any measure unless you live in a village. < 1323639719 370174 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: first, second day < 1323639728 515197 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but it has an ABBEY < 1323639734 43922 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: I don't think it was your first or second day. < 1323639734 236404 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs Taneb < 1323639739 717085 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe fourth day or so. < 1323639744 332763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You had that thing, that one thing, that... that thing, what was that thing? 'alise'? < 1323639746 140018 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.665 < 1323639761 600118 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I seem to recall that too < 1323639773 135166 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I mentally read that as a rap. < 1323639778 75634 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was shit. < 1323639782 536312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone's always these five-character names. < 1323639794 952073 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thing rhymes with thing, so it's nota ll that bad < 1323639800 818997 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1323639805 517632 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzi: Indeed. < 1323639835 644133 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323639883 968190 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs itidus < 1323639891 75085 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.7452 < 1323639916 845793 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1323639942 526537 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird. my own logs seem terribly weird < 1323639957 481004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking! < 1323639966 711134 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1323640008 623100 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure if everything in my log is true, but i believed it at the time < 1323640015 891732 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: I must say, I rather like your Brook lang. ... and that's about my compliment quota for this fine sunday < 1323640035 628375 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get back to hating things! < 1323640041 21401 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what we do in here. All day long. < 1323640057 590624 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, challenge: prove (or disprove) it turing-complete < 1323640057 889118 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log piece of junk < 1323640060 694951 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We started out hating new esolangs, but there weren't enough of them to fill the day, so we branched out to hating everything in existence. < 1323640064 898295 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-12-11.txt:21:47:37: `log piece of junk < 1323640067 195784 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote hiato < 1323640070 326436 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1323640079 895004 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so how about I hate on ANSI C for a while? Or the fact that K&R in my country is probably worth more than a kidney. Ehh. < 1323640080 72760 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log crappy < 1323640086 851969 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-08-18.txt:00:09:09: weird, since there's tons of crappy stuff < 1323640095 451871 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Taneb < 1323640098 311561 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :463) Turned out he got recursion, he just didn't get the return statement \ 469) Cut to February War were declared A galaxy in turmoil Anyway, Febuary '10 \ 470) I can't afford one of those! A grandchild, not a laser printer \ 477) There's that saying that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different < 1323640100 132929 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: seems like that task may yet take some time to complete < 1323640103 482608 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: I'm down to hate C, but didn't you use /Delphi/ way back? < 1323640120 915831 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Ngevd < 1323640123 703002 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :651) Dammit, Gregor, this is not the time to fall in love \ 657) [in the context of Open University] "Unlike other operating systems, Linux operating systems use Linux" \ 660) Ngevd:. i'm so kind, even to assholes! anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov \ 662) Also you steal Berwick from us and then < 1323640124 567888 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh. Yes. Those days. I ... I try not to think about them too much. < 1323640129 939949 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1323640137 77358 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say a lot < 1323640138 131648 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1323640142 507184 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of stipid things < 1323640149 976114 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: Were you around when fungot was? < 1323640150 299864 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you a person who uses phrases at incorrect times? but then what's more likely: that we're the only ones for cows would say, hello t-rex, what is the deal" < 1323640157 122011 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yessir < 1323640169 368749 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("I got revamped\n"); < 1323640172 565406 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got revamped < 1323640173 486968 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was here to witness two people break it, I believe < 1323640180 84986 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1323640183 50135 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run for i in 1 2 3; do echo "I'm new"; done < 1323640185 843921 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm new \ I'm new \ I'm new < 1323640190 724270 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is EgoBot still in befunge9x? < 1323640207 259516 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to write a bot in Piet < 1323640213 718160 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It got as far as joining the channel < 1323640236 311973 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: It never was. < 1323640239 393706 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is the funge one. < 1323640239 692333 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and so: " probably not!" um i have nothing to declare that this is, like, a 50/ 50 mixture of both societal and biological self, all that gets us is a murky combination of influences, predisposition, anyways. the point is that i came, i'd have to throw away a good chunk of it for the days i've already lived. < 1323640240 345406 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: that is rather impressive. Did you code a custom I/O interface into the interp or redirect I/O or what? < 1323640246 778079 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :netcat < 1323640249 997859 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot is the bunch-o'-esolangs one (now bunch-o'-languages in general). < 1323640257 440785 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah, my memory fails me then < 1323640261 302298 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo runs arbitrary Linux commands. < 1323640264 262601 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I forgot lambdabot! < 1323640265 916165 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: cool :D < 1323640271 68047 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "I'm a very old bot but I only came here semi-recently." < 1323640272 534245 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm a very old bot but I only came here semi-recently. < 1323640282 842696 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It runs Haskell, mostly.) < 1323640286 900596 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice :D < 1323640302 970531 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, now we've introduced the IMPORTANT channel members (the bots, of course). < 1323640314 372622 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter (\x -> x `mod` 2 == 0) [1..10] < 1323640314 638163 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet Bro and Hello Jeff. Sweet Bro, and Hella Jeff. Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff. Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff. < 1323640316 34302 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,4,6,8,10] < 1323640319 24576 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1323640319 202905 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hi < 1323640349 765031 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: So you went from Pascal to Haskell? :-) < 1323640369 230629 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yep, made it all the way through a one letter change < 1323640375 855452 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hascal < 1323640384 246265 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then through java and python to C and ASM < 1323640393 506497 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: I find your definition of "change" suspicious :P < 1323640397 926473 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other stuff along the way, but that's where I am now < 1323640401 783585 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ;) < 1323640410 357312 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java :( Python :( C :( Assembly :( < 1323640413 669434 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chorus of frowns. < 1323640417 557725 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1323640436 68516 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever I tell people I like 'Haskell' they hear 'Pascal'. Curse you writherian dude (spelling pending) < 1323640446 13958 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ASM & C are great, the rest, not so much < 1323640457 866948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1323640458 183397 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, same here (about people hearing 'Pascal') < 1323640466 582684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1323640475 354186 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, no, hate Curry for having such a weird first name. < 1323640477 246866 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you say haskell fast enough they won't have time to hear pascal < 1323640480 453389 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: x86 assembly certainly isn't great :P < 1323640488 908925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody isp < 1323640491 242978 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear ARM is quite nice though. < 1323640498 252555 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for some definition of great, it is :P < 1323640506 265588 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great enough < 1323640528 334907 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, I reject your proposal and distribute my hate 100:0 Curry:Writher (whatever his name was) < 1323640542 47594 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wirth. < 1323640547 560242 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :write < 1323640550 229801 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :*right < 1323640554 72702 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rong. < 1323640559 291842 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :potato potato < 1323640576 76188 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wpotato < 1323640591 490830 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :potatoe? < 1323640612 987935 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't Writher sound so much more capricious a fellow than Wirth? < 1323640629 192540 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so. Ergo, Pascal was invented by Writher. < 1323640633 266866 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terminally so. < 1323640671 551985 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can even give you a proof by picture, if you so desire < 1323640671 729416 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what would be interesting is to hear what dennis ritchie has to say about haskell < 1323640689 323098 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1323640691 117360 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's dead. < 1323640691 946331 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :*had < 1323640698 990454 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's probably talked about it < 1323640716 533370 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find that very unlikely < 1323640728 851187 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional programming in general, sure < 1323640729 438524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1323640741 11037 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, he may have mentioned it in passing, but I doubt he talked specifically about haskell < 1323640770 528209 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the opinions of most "famous" imperative programming people on functional programming tends to be uninteresting, anyway < 1323640790 837706 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually it comes down to "I prefer writing imperative code [+ probably 'I think people in general do']" because of inertia < 1323640796 823136 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but i would expect dennis ritchie to be different < 1323640812 26920 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe it's a blind hope < 1323640869 772118 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za NICK :op_4 < 1323640891 351765 :op_4!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ and this nick was unregistered < 1323640900 177322 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :op_4 is a lot less pronouncable than hiato. < 1323640903 40068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fi:paska == en:shit, which makes the "pascal" language the BUTT of some rather bad jokes. < 1323640907 607698 :op_4!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :opfour? < 1323640919 272877 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :op_4: That misses the underscore! < 1323640922 442853 :op_4!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :P < 1323640933 340359 :op_4!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :opund er scorefour < 1323640967 386670 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is worse than when Taneb became Ngevd. :''( < 1323640972 498765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION weeps openly.
< 1323640979 89271 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was Gregor's idea < 1323640986 567926 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I kept calling myself Taneb IRL < 1323640995 825661 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor....... < 1323640998 120239 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :digging around i discover: "Why Pascal is Not My Favorite Programming Language", Brian Kernighan's 1981 extended rant against Pascal. < 1323640999 310665 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least Ngevd is almost my actial name < 1323641002 289145 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : This is worse than when Taneb became Ngevd. :''( < 1323641013 283218 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*actual < 1323641013 966051 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just say it as it sounds, duh. < 1323641020 846144 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: you want to know what Ritchie says about something but haven't even read that? < 1323641040 228056 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Taneb is a better name than your actual name, you should change your name to Taneb. < 1323641042 40645 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1323641046 323024 :op_4!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: what was the idea? Short of that, ssuggested pronounciation? < 1323641070 793226 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I remember, that was my first exposure to Ritchie. < 1323641084 209105 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I learned Pascal first and I had this nagging sense that it was crap.) < 1323641084 407107 :op_4!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: actual name? Wait, you have a ... life ... *and* a name? < 1323641108 155496 :op_4!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ditto < 1323641128 700513 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I then learnt Python and CL within about a week. < 1323641141 716494 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd is pronounced ng from thing, e from ten, ved from loved < 1323641182 803825 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My initials are NGvD < 1323641191 4767 :op_4!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric ::S <-- that is what my face does when I try to say it < 1323641193 678706 :op_4!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not pretty < 1323641194 208280 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost had an extra middle name, Elliott < 1323641200 679341 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "Learnt". < 1323641208 865590 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would make me NGEvD < 1323641215 97467 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence Ngevd < 1323641221 144116 :op_4!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1323641226 710178 :op_4!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet more coincidences < 1323641229 980304 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, perfectly cromulent. < 1323641245 755108 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, I was saying that you can't learn two languages in a week. < 1323641251 95293 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't even learn one language in a week. < 1323641254 282282 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My great-great grandmother was called Elliott < 1323641266 777691 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1323641278 213665 :op_4!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd never considered that it could be a women's name < 1323641283 706499 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, one more great < 1323641287 831899 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it was a surname < 1323641291 942381 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1323641144829.png < 1323641310 558609 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops wrong channel < 1323641321 865080 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was supposed to be #wikipedia-en < 1323641322 541259 :op_4!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that makes sense < 1323641547 594322 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :op_4: A name for multiple women? < 1323641557 512672 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just one of these mornings for me < 1323641581 935750 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:itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323642003 216905 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1323642003 216937 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1323642003 216969 :Betawolf33!~betawolf@li151-44.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1323642012 426030 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome back folks < 1323642049 176882 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that's one big netsplite < 1323642051 604779 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323642051 782452 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-198-252.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1323642051 782589 :fizziew!~htkallas@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1323642051 782669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1323642051 782748 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1323642058 228146 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Martinp23- [Global Notice] Hi everyone. Tonight should be our final night of upgrades of ircd-seven for the time being. The servers affected today are card, asimov, and verne. There'll be large netsplits. If you're on a server which will restart, I'll send you a message in a moment. Enjoy the ride - duration about 30 mins! :) < 1323642063 612518 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1323642067 612422 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it was a real netsplit < 1323642076 504986 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that wasn't 30 minutes < 1323642086 452804 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh but the upgrades are probably being spread out < 1323642087 579430 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1323642089 446508 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1323642139 629842 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323642210 425835 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so someone mentioned the wumpus before < 1323642217 713752 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1323642227 416893 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly me? < 1323642250 597536 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net NICK :NCommander < 1323642250 774834 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1323642267 61741 :NCommander!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net NICK :warg < 1323642288 642662 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1323642314 31175 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Excess Flood < 1323642328 388715 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1323642334 869063 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323642345 734921 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1323642402 603576 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1323642436 194035 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1323642491 436305 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1323642504 414225 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1323642519 409295 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: bye < 1323642519 752562 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323642523 997627 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: hi < 1323642905 772653 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1323643019 888184 :op_4!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za PRIVMSG #esoteric :'nyway, I'm off. Cheers folks. < 1323643038 159569 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-93-115.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodbye < 1323643042 571137 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye :) < 1323643067 602395 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1323643217 958598 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh where's oerjan gone < 1323643502 665169 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid the netsplitter will be fully operational when your friends arrive < 1323643532 349292 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1323643676 438295 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1323643687 895875 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello? < 1323643705 641951 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: hi < 1323643726 315559 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, anyone feel like talking to me? < 1323643735 744969 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome < 1323643738 270926 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1323643764 272948 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so ill start straight < 1323643767 702196 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why does calloc take two parameters, again? < 1323643793 213283 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is this about esoteric stuff or is this channel about computer language programming? < 1323643804 740713 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1323643810 815734 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes what < 1323643814 611388 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of those .. lol < 1323643821 48055 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one < 1323643827 33934 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter < 1323643830 3068 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric programming languages < 1323643835 330323 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that esoteric enough for you < 1323643835 802202 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... you would have to be initiated to find that ou---- < 1323643846 115014 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol i need spiritual advise < 1323643848 938586 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit where's oerjan's pan when we need it < 1323643859 317037 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :u should call this channel different ffs < 1323643859 643695 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swings an empty hand at itidus
< 1323643863 887286 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: you're on the wrong network. < 1323643868 290366 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this network is about computer stuff. < 1323643871 775976 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fault is your own entirely < 1323643879 20910 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see that wheres the real esoteric stuff then < 1323643885 158242 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowhere < 1323643887 572450 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you calling us fake < 1323643888 676272 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, we could tell you but we'd... < 1323643889 943115 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowhere? < 1323643900 353355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a channel on here about it from two people that came here expecting that < 1323643900 885836 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I thought we had a backup channel for that? < 1323643905 704071 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1323643905 881341 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but (a) I can't remember what it's called < 1323643908 943576 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (b) there's only two people in it. < 1323643915 575909 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't it like #spirituality or something ? < 1323643922 697029 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol rly... < 1323643931 653164 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know??? < 1323643932 293935 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep thinking it's #philosophy but I think there's a more respectable channel there < 1323643937 529034 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#jesus < 1323643940 486937 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1323643942 872057 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah go to #jesus deranged762 < 1323643943 837506 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: try.... quakenet or rizon or... EFNet? those are all pretty big IRC networks. < 1323643951 779520 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could try a different network, it depend exactly what you wanted. < 1323643957 203239 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: efnet's #esoteric is just one guy from that channel whose name I can't remember < 1323643962 690352 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: the only recommendation I can have is to get better interests. < 1323643965 458786 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*can give < 1323643975 556121 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like esoteric programming languages! lol yeaaaah < 1323643985 271575 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :y the fuck would i go to a jesus channel fuck off dude < 1323643995 217383 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :-.- < 1323643996 195875 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1323643998 157284 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: O, sorry < 1323644035 193455 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you didn't point deranged762 to #jesus :P < 1323644043 398641 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: suffice it to say, you have come to the wrong place. these are not the droids you're looking for. < 1323644049 339924 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: btw you're unlikely to receive even cursory politeness if you're an ass to us < 1323644066 46943 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i only react properly to ur harasment < 1323644069 94315 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, you're probably going to be in this channel for another like 3 minutes maximum, so it doesn't matter much < 1323644074 556037 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: nobody here has harrassed you. < 1323644078 607892 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was a smartass < 1323644091 400499 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we told you you were in the wrong place, I told you there was no better place we knew of, and monqy referenced an in-joke. < 1323644101 513261 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well u guys probably dont believe anything that cant be proved < 1323644110 538882 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a fundamental matter < 1323644115 436382 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's irrelevant though. < 1323644121 982883 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but yes, most likely) < 1323644122 764415 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of our ops is a theist, I believe. < 1323644132 237998 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh really? < 1323644137 969675 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: Not necessarily...... however some things cannot be proved how can you know anything? Some things you have to be axioms too < 1323644140 100970 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: oerjan. < 1323644147 62368 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION am surprised
< 1323644150 25301 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38++ < 1323644166 358193 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: but yes, if you'd like some smart-ass naturalism, I'm available < 1323644191 994446 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're available because no one wants you :P < 1323644199 662100 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so true ;__; < 1323644200 300614 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... yeah... nevermind, its just retarded to only believe things that can be proven < 1323644205 667419 :warg!~warg@069-064-236-042.pdx.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1323644214 651879 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what do you do, only believe things that can't be proven? < 1323644223 441056 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :both, elliott < 1323644223 853269 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the best position I can think of. < 1323644224 364931 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeez < 1323644231 823276 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Only believe things that can and cannot be proven? < 1323644232 910429 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not retarded. i totally believe in the teapot < 1323644236 145808 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's out there, man < 1323644244 130961 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: dude how do you KNOW? < 1323644250 243287 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Do you mean the teapot that someone threw into orbit? < 1323644250 695064 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: only believe in everything < 1323644259 847670 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, you can stay in your paradigmas as long as it suits you, in the dark ages, they burned witches, but that was alright, and the world was flat, too, thats fine, too < 1323644260 384199 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: but that... is believing... in nothing... < 1323644271 112179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: we don't burn anyone < 1323644272 773125 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: i saw the invisible pink unicorn having tea with FSM in my pineal gland last night < 1323644274 264276 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just laugh at them < 1323644279 53059 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a big difference < 1323644282 860738 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :emotional burning < 1323644285 744321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but allow me to quote one who shares your viewpoints < 1323644288 434929 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote matrix of solidity < 1323644291 16508 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :299) enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity < 1323644302 642086 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1323644314 596272 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who else was there, beedaweeda? < 1323644315 711264 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can assure you we enjoy it very, very much < 1323644323 978563 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: nah; I forget who though < 1323644334 162095 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: Well, yes, of course much depends what you are doing. Assuming God exists is not the proper way to do science. But science is not everything. < 1323644336 63289 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember the matrix of solidity being in the topic for a while < 1323644337 64532 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: btw < 1323644342 116643 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well can u imagine there is a technology to propel ufos for example in a way that defys our known laws of physics? < 1323644343 586392 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: you know who believed the world was flat? < 1323644347 762576 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those who stuck to religion over scientific evidence < 1323644351 25109 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it likely means that you that the one who must come will not actually do that and you should probably reconsider the path you're taking in your life. < 1323644355 699293 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log matrix of solidity < 1323644360 211487 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: then it was PROVED the world was round < 1323644361 583528 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-04-15.txt:14:54:17: God, it's like you lock yourSELF in a matrix of solidity. < 1323644362 515168 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying! < 1323644370 501495 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log matrix of solidity < 1323644375 797227 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But science is something. You can't ignore science. < 1323644376 111676 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-03-10.txt:21:17:08: ENTER MY OCTAGON AND FACE MY MATRIX OF SOLIDITY < 1323644379 349407 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are of course people who believe the world is flat even today, because they discard the evidence, because they don't have a belief system based on evidence. < 1323644384 491111 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like... like you, gosh! < 1323644392 990402 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : well can u imagine there is a technology to propel ufos for example in a way that defys our known laws of physics? < 1323644398 382990 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: it is perfectly possible. do you have any evidence for it? < 1323644407 531984 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i have in my head < 1323644409 733024 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read it in a sci-fi book once. that totes proves it. < 1323644427 663242 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: Better tell us, then. < 1323644428 454550 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: Possibly; but we would require some better science experiment to figure out more accurate laws of physics, whether or not that is the case. < 1323644432 392828 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you wont be able to believe it until youve seen it with ur own eyes < 1323644444 103560 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: I don't trust my eyes. < 1323644446 47384 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god what have I missed. < 1323644451 175018 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: I once had a similar experience under the effects of drugs. < 1323644453 519444 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plenty of people have seen things with their eyes that aren't true, it's called hallucination. < 1323644453 825114 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i hope you all know that science is controlled and not free < 1323644457 692447 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1323644459 972535 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you'd like to tell us the evidence... < 1323644469 184628 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: I can assure you that nobody is controlling you to stop you telling us the evidence you say you have. < 1323644475 19580 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i can only tell you that i saw things that are impossible so to say < 1323644478 637164 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for the fact that you don't have any. < 1323644490 272371 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762, well of course, you don't want to have to sort whackjobs like you out from actual scientists. < 1323644504 309907 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged i can show you how to enjoy this room.. you can query the logs by using that apostrophe like thing under the tilde key and then log such as: `log and then the phrase you want to look for < 1323644508 537397 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you call me a whackjob? < 1323644513 109524 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log whackjob < 1323644519 17248 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-12-11.txt:23:01:48: you call me a whackjob? < 1323644521 755531 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: We are the scientific legion. < 1323644523 885447 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1323644529 632670 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: We will systematically ensure your evidence never gets out. < 1323644532 195748 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: Yes you do need to do controlled scientific experiment, it is how it work < 1323644534 159787 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762, it is a reasonable accolade, yes. < 1323644538 271421 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: Tell us now so we can suppress it or you will never see the light of day again! < 1323644559 616301 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell you what please? < 1323644569 938058 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: Operatives are on the way to near Geislingen as we speak. < 1323644584 816554 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: Disclose your evidence! < 1323644595 104883 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :geislingen hahaha < 1323644603 141335 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok nice "tracking" < 1323644606 581842 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't disclose your evidence then what use is it < 1323644634 947261 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: I said near Geislingen. We can't know your actual location until we see it with our own eyes. < 1323644648 388157 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well its fun to see how you are jumping on me to ridicule me < 1323644653 478503 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've had to look at every major town in Europe so we could believe in it. < 1323644656 680457 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It took ages. < 1323644657 162387 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the usual reaction < 1323644657 940681 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fun for us too :) < 1323644675 445414 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah coz u are kind of retarded < 1323644678 274590 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has been pretty civil so far.
< 1323644679 677617 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1323644684 277172 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: Well, if this were #convince-morons-they're-morons, we'd probably be doing something else. < 1323644686 925787 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so has zzo38, mad props. < 1323644690 198227 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you guys are just so funny. < 1323644702 208868 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : thats the usual reaction < 1323644707 845415 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i have no problems with you, deranged. you believe funny things, but i won't extrapolate from that to your intelligence. < 1323644710 298135 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably haven't been civil, what with that injoke reference < 1323644710 893560 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A better man than you would have learnt from this. < 1323644713 86156 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: Also, if you were smart enough not to go looking on fucking freenode of all places, you'd again be less stupid, and we'd laugh at you less were we to come across you. < 1323644732 427444 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you wanted spiritual advise, you ought to be specific anyways. < 1323644732 604792 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops?? < 1323644739 365875 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Eh, being laughed at doesn't mean much. Being wrong is rather more important. < 1323644747 909824 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I probably haven't been civil, what with that injoke reference < 1323644751 304933 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can laugh about whatever retarded things you want to, fact is im here and talking to you < 1323644752 291451 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you insulted him with the name of jesus!!! < 1323644762 130761 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: Not for long, I don't expect. < 1323644766 132100 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, when everyone you try to convince of your ideas laughs at you... < 1323644772 532415 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1323644785 855899 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log deranged < 1323644790 124643 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of elliott's ideas are in-jokes. we're laughing with, not at him < 1323644791 466019 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-12-11.txt:23:02:12: deranged762: Yes you do need to do controlled scientific experiment, it is how it work < 1323644796 443847 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1323644810 597471 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just not having much luck with this < 1323644816 959930 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote luck < 1323644819 519724 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :335) haha, god made one helluva blunder there :DS "WHOOPS HE AIN'T DEAD YET!" "luckily no one will believe him because christians are such annoying retards" \ 742) right: you didn't find out you were wrong, just right in a way we failed to consider. if only every wrong person could be so lucky \ 747) if only alonzo church would have anticipated the computer < 1323644820 1299 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of you guys are just prove to me of how mind control works < 1323644822 988219 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's perfectly possible to be right, and laughed at. I mean, you could dress up as a clown and try and convince people of something. < 1323644844 588877 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that's not very funny? < 1323644852 548725 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The laughs are laughs of HORROR. < 1323644858 124934 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762, well, if you want to talk about the Device, now... < 1323644881 903276 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1323644883 596522 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Don't talk about the Device. Ever.) < 1323644891 641746 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: You realise that talking about how sheep-like we are in a room where not a single person believes you or cares is basically argumentum ad masturbatum? < 1323644903 927928 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The best kind of masturbatum!) < 1323644933 722547 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you realize how low attitude really is? < 1323644936 101542 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what is deranged762 claiming? < 1323644938 347056 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*your < 1323644939 671551 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, excuse me, please show me one mind control device that works on sheep? < 1323644946 593026 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: IT'S A SECRET. < 1323644949 488089 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: UFOs, man! < 1323644952 47028 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: UFOs! < 1323644953 295381 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or how low it is trying to tell me how COOL you are < 1323644964 789969 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: technically it's techniques not devices < 1323644965 16530 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that you dont know SHIT < 1323644972 951921 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: do you know shit < 1323644976 187914 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: I think you'll find that we've been solely focused on deprecating you, not aggrandising ourselves. < 1323644978 27642 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: please, educate us about shit < 1323644979 339230 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know some... shit < 1323644985 765918 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm a shitologist thank you very much. < 1323644988 62471 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762, what reasons do you have for thinking aliens exist? < 1323644996 391183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762, but precious little else. < 1323644998 135999 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762, I mean that in the sense "How did you learn about them?" < 1323644998 474411 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one rung above ufology. < 1323645000 62585 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: we've been over this < 1323645000 344737 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH SNAPPPPPPP < 1323645007 391821 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: he has secret evidence < 1323645007 793155 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ufos are not related to aliens necessarily < 1323645007 970492 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: are you seriously trying to engage him < 1323645021 989172 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes you think they are? < 1323645023 56426 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "aliens exist" and "aliens exist and have made contact with humans" is two totally different things, btw < 1323645029 82927 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least you can expand acronyms. < 1323645030 915199 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, oh, true < 1323645044 186486 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, once you dispense with the aliens you have nothing of any great interest whatsoever. < 1323645054 988703 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762 is actually talking about Unlawful Fucking Organisations. < 1323645058 831524 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are these things, right? And they're flying? And we're not sure what they are." < 1323645062 791023 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, brothels? < 1323645065 802089 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: YES. < 1323645071 576653 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'VE SEEN THEM WITH MY OWN EYES, SGEO!!! < 1323645079 379384 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THINGS THAT ARE *IMPOSSIBLE* TO EXPLAIN < 1323645089 435997 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see its a childish reaction < 1323645097 906882 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're all children < 1323645098 84066 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the only way you can handle this < 1323645098 735862 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if you're an English pansy. < 1323645102 807518 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry deranged762 < 1323645107 277449 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: I'm actually going through an existential crisis right now. < 1323645110 668111 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't see my tears but they're there. < 1323645113 213834 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is well known for being childish. :> < 1323645121 669310 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log existential < 1323645122 468813 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Give me a break, I'm 4 years old! < 1323645123 733865 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here in Scotland we have a rigorous and well-tested theory of brothels. < 1323645128 40171 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2006-07-25.txt:04:44:20: And you'll have to avoid existential types involving typeclasses even more. < 1323645129 698455 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :its ok, its simply a sign of immaturity < 1323645130 822522 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Here in Scotland we have a rigorous and well-tested theory of brothels. < 1323645133 193241 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :759) Here in Scotland we have a rigorous and well-tested theory of brothels. < 1323645140 647247 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log existential crisis < 1323645146 504812 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-12-11.txt:23:12:20: `log existential crisis < 1323645154 893967 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :halp < 1323645157 864106 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log existential cris < 1323645164 830307 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-08-16.txt:03:30:07: itidus20: if you had an existence problem, how can you be having an existential crisis? < 1323645182 726081 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: all existential crises are in some way related to itidus20 < 1323645196 805071 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: unfortunately I've found that elliott's lack of maturity has nothing to do with him being wrong most of the time. < 1323645202 908684 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1323645215 670381 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1323645223 760267 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I'm actually wrong all of the time. < 1323645226 314538 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log existential crisis < 1323645232 941583 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-12-11.txt:23:11:47: deranged762: I'm actually going through an existential crisis right now. < 1323645241 159152 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log existential crisis < 1323645241 475585 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, only when you're arguing with me, obviously. < 1323645244 604087 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm always right. :> < 1323645247 879278 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: could you rephrase that in a logic system that is not vulnerable to the liar paradox? < 1323645248 107868 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-22.txt:04:33:20: /I feel like I would enjoy/ a movie that ends in an existential crisis, if indeed such a movie exists < 1323645252 466993 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log existential crises < 1323645258 843519 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-07-10.txt:19:22:05: 402) Yeah, I went through a whole series of existential crises when I was 8 or so. < 1323645260 131808 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: For about one day until someone else explains in tedious detail why you're wrong. < 1323645269 633577 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Paraconsistent logics, man! < 1323645280 456006 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You could have just `quoted that. < 1323645294 715135 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this is more SPONTANEOUS < 1323645311 418908 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :combustion? < 1323645319 4168 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I win! < 1323645342 310315 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. you're too late. you're the first. < 1323645360 256819 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only way anyone can become the zeroth to prove spontaneous human combustion is by the counter overflowing. < 1323645370 211704 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's signed, so you'll have to go all the way back to zero again. < 1323645375 35280 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many bits? < 1323645378 797118 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well guys, thank you for your time and your insight, i enjoyed it < 1323645382 729620 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me too. < 1323645385 692493 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye deranged762 < 1323645388 904797 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: 762. < 1323645393 683322 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, can I make *other* people spontaneously combust? < 1323645394 299496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In honour of our friend and colleague, deranged762. < 1323645397 629130 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hfgl < 1323645399 516753 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP 2011-2011 < 1323645400 342641 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i was more intelligent i wouldn't fall back on the logfile system < 1323645400 739098 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, deranged762. < 1323645405 944753 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theranged762. < 1323645409 586186 :deranged762!~deranged@HSI-KBW-095-208-047-085.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Quit: IRC webchat at http://irc2go.com/ < 1323645410 498754 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deranged762: We love you! Godspeed. < 1323645412 637359 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::') < 1323645419 630041 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1323645423 846183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1323645428 411431 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1323645436 249244 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also note that I'm still right about brainbrain not actually being a different language. :) < 1323645437 719054 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT GUY USED "WE USED TO THINK THE WORLD IS FLAT" AS AN ARGUMENT AGAINST SCIENTIFIC WORLDVIEWS JESUS CHRIST AHAHAHAHA < 1323645440 352974 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the record < 1323645446 71196 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that a shortening of ')', quintopia. < 1323645467 135508 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: time dilation < 1323645473 678359 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lorentz contraction < 1323645480 471349 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd use but +c :( < 1323645482 506102 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Not true, because you have no idea what constitutes an "IO thing"; you would consider brainfuck the same language as "cat" because "cat | brainfuck" is a brainfuck interpreter. < 1323645499 391941 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all. < 1323645517 231536 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear, not another episode of "kallisti doesn't get theoretical CS". < 1323645524 536124 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact cat | brainfuck is a brainfuck interpreter for similar reasons to brainbrain < 1323645553 986651 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: The thing is that, when presented with something that your worldview produces a contradictory answer to, you just claim it doesn't do that at all, and continue being an idiot. < 1323645569 425304 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that contradictory to my viewpoint at all? < 1323645575 144566 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you ask that. < 1323645597 518828 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no really. no meta plz. < 1323645614 145642 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The meta is an extended way of saying "shut up, argumentation with you is futile". < 1323645633 213625 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying brainbrain is a brainfuck interpreter connected to other processing elements in a pipeline. You are arguing in the opposite direction. < 1323645676 168453 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: For a start you're making arguments about a language based on the fact that "you can implement it like X", which is complete bullshit. < 1323645711 170700 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matrix of solidity is quote number 299??? < 1323645724 925342 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Quotes have grown really quickly. < 1323645730 295910 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a LOT of early ones were deleted. < 1323645737 842727 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs matrix of solidity < 1323645740 191608 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On that topic! < 1323645743 368220 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1323645743 558963 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1323645743 782545 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1323645744 59863 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1323645744 267591 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1323645750 319357 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.16559 < 1323645754 784142 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :711) Minecraft has made me view all trees as ridiculously slender. < 1323645760 808392 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-03-10.txt:22:22:29: 330) enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity < 1323645762 661517 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Original quote number. < 1323645765 504638 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all, it /is/ brainfuck. it behaves exactly the same way when executed. the difference being that the output is given special meaning to other programs that are in a pipeline with it. This is basically why PSOX does not make brainfuck a new language. < 1323645774 499813 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :95) let's put that in the HackEgo quotes files, just to completely mystify anyone who looks back along them in the future < 1323645774 796342 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :92) A person's sex is not the same thing as their penis length. < 1323645774 973725 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :373) my most fresh dream is one where I'm at a soup contest and a chicken really wants to participate but he's disqualified so he becomes the judge. when all the soups are done and he's ready to taste them he just stares at the soup and then I become the chicken and I really want to make soup < 1323645774 973832 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :421) you should know better than making þs out of wedlock < 1323645791 398376 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: brainfuck+PSOX is manifestly its own language considered as a single unit. < 1323645809 287144 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Lots and LOTS of languages are "giving the output of special meaning". < 1323645816 563901 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To reiterate, brainfuck is just giving cat special meaning. < 1323645856 967941 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically what you're saying is "bf+PSOX would be a different language iff PSOX were TC". < 1323645862 994005 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1323645866 697377 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cat | bf" vs. "bf | psox". < 1323645876 384163 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no difference other than the fact that PSOX is sub-TC. < 1323645883 126757 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, PSOX changes input semantics too.) < 1323645883 492148 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, I think I'd say that Brainfuck and Brainbrain are different languages that work very, very similarly. < 1323645886 568467 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression that how the output of a language is treated has nothing to do with the language. < 1323645892 38603 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its fine so long as it doesn't enter the courtroom < 1323645902 669556 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: You're just hopelessly confused. < 1323645905 592423 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gives up again.
< 1323645925 690222 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oracle owns the rights to brainfuck, google owns the rights to brainbrain < 1323645926 898052 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1323645945 220558 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let the fun begin < 1323645963 818187 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, it all depends on what you mean by "language". If by "language", you mean "function from input to output", then they're different languages, since the same input can produce different output. < 1323645977 394977 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if by "language" you mean... something else, then they may be the same language. < 1323646017 319876 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Also, you've been wrong literally every single time you've had an extended "lol I'm right about " in here, so you should really consider being more humble about your confusion by default. < 1323646025 709002 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a set of strings defined by a formal language that has associated semantics? < 1323646038 155523 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1323646038 332821 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It mostly just serves to rile people up who are trying to help explain why you are wrong. < 1323646039 504549 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :formal grammar < 1323646068 893051 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: so, the "language" is simply the set of all valid inputs, and the semantics are separate from the language? < 1323646069 257186 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have in no way attempted to flaunt some perceived intellectual superiority < 1323646088 588537 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: er, no, input isn't part of that definition. < 1323646109 670062 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "set of strings" is program strings < 1323646117 11808 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: No, but your first reaction to someone trying to explain why you're completely wrong is to attempt to debate them (mostly by reiterating your position over and over again) rather than trying to reach an understanding about why you're wrong. < 1323646118 200400 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[++] is part of the brainfuck set but ][ is not < 1323646138 529674 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is my hope that a debate will lead to further understanding? usually it doesn't though. < 1323646147 197028 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Yes, that's because you go about it terribly. < 1323646152 677644 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: okay. So are you saying that it's the set that is the language, not the behavior of the strings in the set? < 1323646167 328527 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: the semantics are also part of the language. < 1323646173 174184 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainbrain and brainfuck have /identical/ semantics. < 1323646173 351747 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually someone has to decompose every single thing underlying what you're saying and go through it step by step repeatedly until you understand, which could be greatly optimised if you weren't so stubborn. < 1323646182 64996 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but brainbrain and brainfuck have very different semantics..................... < 1323646191 793207 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen ,[.,] < 1323646196 427904 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​56 +++++++++[>+++++>++++++++++>+><<<<-]>-.>+.<++.--.>++.>+. [560] < 1323646199 893998 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: That brainfuck program prints out ",[.,]". < 1323646212 383487 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: That brainbrain program outputs a program which copies stdin to stdout. < 1323646227 927882 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainbrain is really a family of languages, parameterised on output language. < 1323646251 426954 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for every brainbrain(L) where ,[.,] is not a cat program in L, that brainbrain program does something different to that brainfuck program. < 1323646253 41672 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I guess I fail to see how, then, since ,[.,] does one thing in Brainfuck and a different thing in Brainbrain. < 1323646266 65731 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similarly, the language identical to brainfuck except where "." outputs the /previous/ ASCII character is not the same language. < 1323646273 418225 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you can implement it with a trivial postprocessing stage on top of a BF interpreter. < 1323646277 277682 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is completely irrelevant. < 1323646294 136665 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I don't know where to draw the line between semantics and post-processing. < 1323646304 576709 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmmm, okay that makes sense. < 1323646329 105493 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what we're learning here is just that when we thought kallisti understood why I/O isn't relevant to Turing completeness, we were wrong. < 1323646356 642523 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this to me suggests that IO /is/ relevant to the semantics of a language. < 1323646372 939729 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it is, since programs are generally a function from input to output. < 1323646392 38843 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again, what we're learning is that you didn't take the right thing away from that other tedious session. < 1323646400 468477 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't feel qualified to try and re-explain it, though. < 1323646406 242052 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I understand. < 1323646418 562801 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what you always say. < 1323646446 800188 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I guess I can imagine thinking of a language's semantics as being separate from its I/O capabilities. It sounds difficult, though. < 1323646514 51742 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I think you'd essentially have to take the semantics modulo any function you could apply to input or output, which would let you say "every language has no IO facilities apart from halting/not halting". < 1323646518 830433 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok an analogy has occured to me < 1323646555 977162 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I basically was thinking of turing completeness and language semantics in the same way with regards to IO being relevant/irrelevant to them. < 1323646558 429533 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that the core of the language is akin to some dusty paths.. and the I/O is akin to towns < 1323646572 592049 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so.. you link the towns together with these dusty paths < 1323646575 535582 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a question about brainbrain because the wiki description is confusing me. Is every brainbrain program semantically equivalent to the same IO function? < 1323646597 572793 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :important point is the paths are dusty and were laid pre-ashphelt < 1323646606 601190 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not laid at all < 1323646613 225945 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: this analogy is terrible. < 1323646616 281230 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way. < 1323646677 523397 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is there any brainbrain program that behaves differently from the brainfuck program ,[.,]? < 1323646687 997289 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats just because im not very good at abstract < 1323646688 174624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1323646695 644916 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan < 1323646698 12228 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you are < 1323646716 367488 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but basically with the argument I was making, any Turing equivalent language would be considered "the same language" < 1323646720 594567 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: um, yes < 1323646725 106869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: wow, you're right! < 1323646730 839351 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because they all do the same thing computationally. < 1323646731 699697 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: +++++++++[>+++++>++++++++++>+><<<<-]>-.>+.<++.--.>++.>+. takes no input and produces a cat program < 1323646734 314954 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(compiled) < 1323646745 366930 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ,[.,] takes input as a brainfuck program and produces that program (compiled) < 1323646746 913639 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in any language) < 1323646754 19564 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: yes. < 1323646767 883416 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: then i really don't understand what brainbrain is :/ < 1323646768 208598 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every brainbrain-program is a brainfuck-program (this could sure be taken out of context :-P ) < 1323646788 307654 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1323646790 124823 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: brainbrain(p, input) = compile_brainfuck_to_L(brainfuck(p, input)) < 1323646792 370274 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some L < 1323646792 706943 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait i think i see < 1323646800 126765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: they are all of the same computational class (as was relevant before) but not the same language. right. < 1323646882 187470 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I guess I accidentally took IO being irrelevant to Turing completeness to also mean that it was also irrelevant to other fundamental aspects of languages. < 1323646892 118679 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops. < 1323646922 935704 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying that you were perhaps... wrong again < 1323646931 340170 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-gasp- yes < 1323646933 467683 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow amazing. < 1323646936 958479 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking. < 1323646942 251171 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the thing about me is that < 1323646943 590189 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1323646946 597937 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not afraid to admit I am wrong < 1323646948 738300 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :once I realize it. < 1323646971 810287 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. you just make sure to be as dunning-kruger as possible before that happens < 1323646986 598030 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :until then, I will be pretty stubborn I guess. < 1323647011 211896 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time I'll act all humble and inferior when I talk about things, to goad someone's ego into providing a good explanation. < 1323647032 194914 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's definitely about ego < 1323647047 553646 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason we were jerks to that moron who just came in? ego < 1323647189 83165 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw i think the n-cursor zipper thing can be a _lot_ simpler < 1323647237 303010 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I agree. < 1323647248 88479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn i _knew_ the connection lesses previously were the universe's way of telling me not to be here. < 1323647252 499463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*losses < 1323647254 616768 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1323647259 663570 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i figured it out < 1323647260 189694 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL < 1323647260 516867 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BY < 1323647261 138675 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MYSELF < 1323647263 889809 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ur too dum to understand it < 1323647265 312370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew < 1323647286 327750 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I still feel that the approach I worked out would be pretty adequate. < 1323647297 334992 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: as i recall yours didn't work at all. < 1323647297 552189 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and would also efficiently calculate things like subsequences between two cursors. < 1323647325 223444 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it does. < 1323647339 559005 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just didn't explain it very well. < 1323647375 200157 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember providing a poor explanation for how two cursors cross paths. < 1323647387 677577 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think one thing that simplifies it a lot is that the tree has the same depth everywhere... < 1323647395 943526 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, < 1323647397 9649 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : * < 1323647397 188330 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : / \ < 1323647397 188532 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : * * < 1323647397 188639 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : / \ / \ < 1323647397 188743 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 3 * < 1323647399 17646 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : / \ < 1323647401 16405 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 5 < 1323647403 30921 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't possible < 1323647408 678534 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(talking about binary trees for now since quadtrees are just the same...) < 1323647421 155315 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the space is indexed by two 32-bit coordinates < 1323647431 508752 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't see how that would be possible (if you take it as just one 32-bit coordinate, say) < 1323647491 732809 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (pls validate this assumption :P) < 1323647491 949256 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the most inefficient thing would adding or removing cursors, but shifting and reading are fast. < 1323647517 244963 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: you will have to present your scheme in a way that doesn't involve you proposing a completely broken one and then saying "oh just add some redirection things so it works :) :) :)" < 1323647554 399968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well any 2^n * 2^n field will naturally give a full tree of depth n < 1323647560 579456 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well essentially each cursor works like an individual zipper on its subsequences < 1323647572 447834 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :until one subsequence is empty < 1323647575 209617 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tried to shift that direction < 1323647605 348326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you choose a bad alignment on purpose < 1323647661 408396 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 2^n too, surely < 1323647663 577164 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do it as a binary tree < 1323647666 734019 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right. so the thing is that things are simplified a _lot_ since funge-98 is based around bits :P < 1323647679 678649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes for binary < 1323647690 11075 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because you never, e.g. focus a branch whose neighbouring branch is a branch itself < 1323647699 609103 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the neighbouring tree of 1 in Branch 1 2 is 2 < 1323647702 604662 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whose neighbouring tree < 1323647703 622677 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1323647704 186867 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1323647704 706098 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*focus a tree < 1323647753 599864 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the direction you're trying to shift is empty, you swap subsequences with the neighboring cursor. < 1323647767 543374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this is sort of what the cursors with typed levels were about previously < 1323647783 740896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :using that restriction < 1323647790 468703 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well ok. i can't help but feel you overcomplicated things a little :P < 1323647799 616134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVAR < 1323647801 177621 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: does that make sense? < 1323647814 835829 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: no, you haven't explained how to have out-of-order cursors < 1323647817 954060 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works fine for shifting and reading and writing, but I haven't thought much about adding cursors. < 1323647833 411992 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: out-of-order in what way? < 1323647837 64622 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1323647837 609704 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1323647844 702520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :food -> < 1323647904 70643 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I guess you just associate a value with each cursor and then do a linear search... you could also use a map for that if you don't mind a some extra memory overhead. < 1323647928 678786 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: yay, you did exactly what i said you couldn't (propose a broken solution and then just go "oh well mumble mumble redirections") < 1323647942 991909 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :broken in what way? < 1323647977 161687 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : kallisti: no, you haven't explained how to have out-of-order cursors < 1323647993 856657 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just did. < 1323647995 887864 :kallisti!~eris@h53.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_>