< 1324252873 699928 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1324253180 371771 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, kallisti update < 1324253453 612571 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Sorry, I was playing the D&D game. But yes, now I can see that. < 1324253502 377879 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, yes, pure would make it have the plain value, so it is like identity, so pure x *> y = y = y <* pure x would work, I think. < 1324253556 95839 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the definition of applicative functor, I think, that pure means identity, isn't it? < 1324253799 610016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the laws listed in Control.Applicative are: pure id <*> v = v, pure (.) <*> u <*> v <*> w = u <*> (v <*> w), pure f <*> pure x = pure (f x), u <*> pure y = pure ($ y) <*> u, which are essentially the same which i baked into my FreeA instance earlier < 1324253828 986789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that the first one is made redundant by all FreeA values starting with pure < 1324253928 71445 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldl' < 1324253928 781987 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (a -> b -> a) -> a -> [b] -> a < 1324253997 878419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [d]ata FreeA where < 1324254004 148841 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-12-14.txt:04:27:51: as a reminder, data FreeA where Pure :: a -> FreeA t a; (:<*>) :: FreeA t (a -> b) -> t a -> FreeA t b < 1324254031 609603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log instance Applicative Free[A] < 1324254037 371545 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-12-14.txt:01:20:46: *instance Applicative FreeA t where pure = Pure; Pure f <*> Pure x = Pure (f x); fa <*> (ga :<*> xa) = Pure (.) <*> fa <*> ga :<*> xa; fa <*> Pure y = Pure ($ y) <*> fa; < 1324254046 932686 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if these laws allow you to make a backward version of any applicative? < 1324254062 227352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes i'm pretty sure i've heard that mentioned before < 1324254071 412593 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldMap < 1324254072 126623 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `foldMap' < 1324254072 659483 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t F.foldMap < 1324254073 433409 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't find qualified module. < 1324254076 52765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Data.Foldable.foldMap < 1324254076 784087 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a m (t :: * -> *). (Data.Foldable.Foldable t, Monoid m) => (a -> m) -> t a -> m < 1324254095 380544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<**>) < 1324254096 109494 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) a b. (Applicative f) => f a -> f (a -> b) -> f b < 1324254108 816025 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you know under what circumstances that the backward applicative can make a monad? < 1324254125 231784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in fact the backwards function is just flip (<**>) < 1324254143 535214 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes; exactly. That is exactly what I was thinking of. < 1324254181 859150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: not any more than i know the condition for the ordinary applicative < 1324254246 62737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :commutative monads/applicatives turn into themselves, i should think < 1324254258 410902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Maybe and Reader are trivial < 1324254271 205472 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, a commutative applicative becomes itself, obviously < 1324254274 700331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1324254282 755819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignoring bottom. < 1324254299 551792 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you have to ignoring bottom. Always. < 1324254300 734286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think you do that in the definition anyways. < 1324254396 125294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not _always_, i think sometimes bottom works as well < 1324254444 553101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (const True <$> undefined) undefined < 1324254445 271973 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1324254458 208826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (undefined <**> const True) undefined < 1324254458 907897 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `a -> b' < 1324254459 84104 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `GHC.Bo... < 1324254459 936850 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: always? < 1324254462 872164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1324254472 336418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (undefined <**> pure (const True)) undefined < 1324254473 45125 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1324254486 929086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Reader works with bottom < 1324254515 211081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (Just (const True) <*> undefined) < 1324254515 938423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1324254523 158088 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes you always have to ignoring bottom to make it mathematically correct, as far as I can tell. < 1324254524 256208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1324254526 284822 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-012-085.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324254616 588558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm one might argue <*> for Maybe is not lazy enough, there < 1324254648 216333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (liftM2 id (Just (const True)) undefined) < 1324254648 973749 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1324254680 821188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or wait no. < 1324254699 54358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it obviously needs to be at least strict. < 1324254740 318092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the backwards State monad is probably exactly this for State < 1324254766 55311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for Writer i'd imagine you simply change to the Dual monoid < 1324254771 592616 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is the backward State applicative makes a monad? < 1324254793 490692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there's a backward State monad, i would guess it's the same thing < 1324254815 10597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you can turn every monad backwards, hm < 1324254834 251743 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, for Writer (or (,)) yes you change to the Dual monoid, so if it is commutative then it will also be commutative applicative < 1324254842 414949 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I doubt it < 1324254844 11912 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And commutative applicative becomes the same when backward < 1324254847 478323 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you make join go backwards? < 1324254850 151213 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I doubt it too. < 1324254875 318975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1324254877 692796 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, for a start, you can't really make (>>=) go backwards :) < 1324254889 71989 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know any monad is applicative, and you can make the backward applicative, but I wouldn't think it necessarily will make a monad < 1324254924 267786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess Reader, Maybe and Writer all have the property that the effects aren't really intertwined with the values < 1324254942 758936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(much) < 1324254965 420333 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well... Reader lets you depend on the state but not change it, and Writer lets you change it but not depend on it < 1324254977 184258 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose the difference that State makes is that you can loop those two together < 1324254995 846086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still there _is_ a backwards State monad. < 1324255008 771078 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: help left recursion what do? < 1324255014 283347 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, yes, because of laziness < 1324255014 774430 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OK, what is the backward state monad? I have not heard of it. < 1324255022 697512 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: learn how parsers work. < 1324255031 706953 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :kthx < 1324255032 584392 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do they actually _teach_ you at that university? < 1324255053 750293 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing I've learned so far is so basic data structure stuff that I had glossed over in self-teaching myself (imagine that.) < 1324255054 824692 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://lukepalmer.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/mindfuck-the-reverse-state-monad/ < 1324255066 117857 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the State monad, except state propagates /back/ in time instead of forwards < 1324255086 807491 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Time? What does time have anything to do with it? < 1324255095 409956 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what do you recommend I learn about parsers. I mean, I understand why it's left recursing but not how it's possible to correct it. < 1324255105 992968 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well in (m >>= f) you can say that m is "before" f x, chronologically < 1324255110 26923 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where x is the result of m) < 1324255118 550186 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: or more simply, each line of a "do" block is further in time < 1324255132 880405 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can say that State gives you state propagating forwards in time, but RState gives you state that propagates /backwards/ < 1324255135 757118 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the terminal alternatives aren't actually being tested first due to my hackish infix operator code. < 1324255147 149631 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_recursion < 1324255170 912013 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm looking at that right now. < 1324255184 631881 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :expr + < 1324255185 800635 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1324255191 225576 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: notice the long "Removing left recursion" section. < 1324255250 669055 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, OK, but I think it has not much to do with time. Simply, (m >>= f) is (join $ fmap f m). With IO monad obviously it is the order of action, in time, but other monads don't really have any time, I think. < 1324255260 71145 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: where can I learn this notation? I'm guessing -> is a production rule and | is alternative choices and adjacent symbols are concatenated? < 1324255265 881066 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's a metaphor :P < 1324255291 242166 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Context-free_grammar < 1324255294 478779 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, it is a metaphor. < 1324255331 391094 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: epsilon is empty string, jutaposition is concatenation, -> is production rule < 1324255368 18302 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right < 1324255447 642074 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it make a backward state monad transformer? < 1324255530 673167 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so in this notation the order of alternatives doesn't matter? < 1324255544 73905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also extra annotations for the reruns, sort of "the making of iwc" < 1324255551 293856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong window < 1324255560 468670 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: it's not the "notation", it's the definition of a CFG < 1324255570 743405 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CFGs can even have ambiguous parses < 1324255577 387606 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: okay. same question s/notation/the definition of a CFG/ < 1324255579 160630 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. valid strings which match multiple possible parse trees < 1324255617 261394 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, no, the order doesn't matter < 1324255655 321398 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, the production rule they show has the left-recursive nonterminal as the first alternatives < 1324255663 207885 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine are the last alternatives. < 1324255766 72907 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see. < 1324255779 541958 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :partly < 1324255823 270832 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1324255950 816939 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you could make a "Newdata" monoid to make the Writer discard old data like this: mempty = Newdata Nothing; mappend (Newdata x) (Newdata y) = Newdata (maybe x Just y); < 1324255972 177569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for newbies to the subject, determining whether a CFG has any ambiguous parses is an undecidable problem (you can encode the TM halting problem into it) < 1324256070 788519 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm sure that will help kallisti's left-recursion problem immensely :D < 1324256073 236849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t First < 1324256074 98450 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. Maybe a -> First a < 1324256079 684687 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh definitely. < 1324256094 363259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1324256122 657123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Last < 1324256123 441852 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. Maybe a -> Last a < 1324256132 303909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think that may be what Last does < 1324256149 853006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> mempty :: Last Int < 1324256150 699174 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Last {getLast = Nothing} < 1324256167 624449 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: O, yes, probably that is it. You could obviously make any monoid backward, too. < 1324256177 67955 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: bah, that's going to make my grammar so ugly. :P < 1324256190 778023 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1324256193 316816 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: use a parser library that optimises left-recursion, then < 1324256198 68935 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(optimises by eliminating :P) < 1324256220 260683 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh. not enough time to do that. :P < 1324256223 705482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldMap Last [Nothing, Just 3, Nothing, Just 5, Nothing] < 1324256224 430955 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `foldMap' < 1324256226 760919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1324256234 17696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle foldMap < 1324256234 253689 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Foldable foldMap :: (Foldable t, Monoid m) => (a -> m) -> t a -> m < 1324256234 429920 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Traversable foldMapDefault :: (Traversable t, Monoid m) => (a -> m) -> t a -> m < 1324256242 974303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Data.Foldable.foldMap Last [Nothing, Just 3, Nothing, Just 5, Nothing] < 1324256243 742922 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Last {getLast = Just 5} < 1324256334 915393 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I may just make array subscripting an infix operator because I already have code to parse an arbitrary prefix/infix precedence table. < 1324256375 272290 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll try the expr[expr] way < 1324256381 427551 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: expr[expr] _is_ an infix operator. < 1324256397 236531 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it's got the weird dangly ] < 1324256400 734374 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the infix operator [, except it's expr '[' (expr with ']') < 1324256403 208122 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all < 1324256412 684443 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1324256421 203985 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be able to hack that into my infix code. :P < 1324256421 483869 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. (expr,']') < 1324256424 306434 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*(expr ']') < 1324256434 463194 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why is #haskell so terrible. < 1324256448 277967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"expr with ']'" is a nice token for parsing the remainder of listlike things < 1324256451 213969 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Indeed. < 1324256466 588243 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be good, I think. < 1324256469 309429 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: (What's happened this time?) < 1324256475 574250 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's just all these people. < 1324256480 187690 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing in particular. < 1324256490 300131 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It kind of got terrible when Haskell exploded in popularity and the signal/noise ratio plummeted. < 1324256493 768963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make bf parsing LR(0) that way, i think < 1324256493 945093 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: congratulations, you just convinced me to write an ugly hack. :P < 1324256509 384520 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably won't go there much any more now that I can direct my amazingly intelligent Haskell questions to Stack Overflow. < 1324256520 224852 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So amazingly intelligent, nobody ever answered them!) < 1324256545 151314 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So amazingly intelligent that no one even understands them, no doubt. < 1324256556 425332 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes http://djm.cc/bignum-results.txt < 1324256565 369024 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, anything that spans more than three sentences in one line is ignored in #haskell. < 1324256569 613279 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course the winning entry is the sort of thing you'd expect. < 1324256583 523294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well never mind that, you'll soon have amassed enough points to smite those evil non-answerers. < 1324256583 946195 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :People prefer the lower-hanging fruit from people who don't bother reading GHC's error messages before complaining about them. < 1324256598 382978 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1324256605 719842 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which only encourages that behaviouur. :-( < 1324256605 895845 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes! I will lure them into my Stack Overflow lair and remove their stacks. < 1324256620 484182 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: write a bunch of blog articles about unsolved Haskell problems and how interesting they are, then make a Wikipedia article called "unaswered questions in Haskell" while sourcing your very notable blog and see if anyone provides answers. < 1324256621 151994 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Remember #haskell-in-depth? < 1324256625 160767 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That probably lasted whole *days*! < 1324256646 321368 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Whoa, man, that's still around? < 1324256655 457484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday i got inspired to go to stackoverflow and see if there was anything i could help with, but elliott had answered everything, so there was no use. < 1324256656 154580 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not. I guess it depends on your definition of "around". < 1324256661 215294 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I see in the backlog is join and quit messages and day change messages. < 1324256662 52449 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D, seriously? < 1324256674 746126 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And quite a few day change messages for the few screenfuls of backlog that I keep, on top of that. < 1324256773 523515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok _maybe_ camccann [sp?] had done some of it. < 1324256853 506921 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is fairly tempted to make " yesterday i got inspired to go to stackoverflow and see if there was anything i could help with, but elliott had answered everything, so there was no use." his profile on SO. < 1324256863 135887 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would make my avatar expand into a shiny little card thing on mouseover!!! < 1324256867 781534 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO SHINY. < 1324256873 629601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1324256893 26033 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't answer questions on StackOverflow. < 1324256894 626244 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or ask them. < 1324256909 567973 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a form of protest for them having deleted my account once. < 1324256919 370351 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Deleted for lack of activity. But still. < 1324256985 511350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i've only answered one question, and that was a couple weeks ago. < 1324257001 659180 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I answered a question once. < 1324257012 329515 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION only joined because he had a pressing question to which #git's answer was "your workflow is broken, guess you just have to DEAL WITH IT FOREVER!". < 1324257027 937093 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did StackOverflow provide a better answer? :-) < 1324257036 884241 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yep. < 1324257051 597222 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1324257055 53181 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer was "rewrite history in the master branch so that the thing that's causing problems never happened". < 1324257058 762489 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It actually worked perfectly. < 1324257060 21848 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that other channel is full of gits. < 1324257072 147822 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, rewriting history! < 1324257075 871821 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It may have something to do with the fact that my problem took several paragraphs to explain. < 1324257076 47999 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION push --force < 1324257086 261018 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's several more than any IRC channel can be bothered with. < 1324257094 215885 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not *any* IRC channel. < 1324257114 375847 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers introducing a rootkit into an innocuous clean-up commit somewhere in the middle of history with push --force. < 1324257148 623576 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why you never push --force. < 1324257152 822991 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Was it something easy? Because I have a MONOPOLY on the easy questions, man. < 1324257166 232954 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: push --force is way preferable to the problems I was having. < 1324257183 169308 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I could just introduce a rootkit as the only change in a commit and nobody would notice since everyone just (git pull && make)s.. < 1324257187 57687 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\.\././ < 1324257264 990899 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're reflogging a dead horse. < 1324257275 573443 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which horse? < 1324257280 685877 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1324257281 882579 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate you. < 1324257283 729219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8296695/is-milner-let-polymorphism-a-rank-2-feature/8433852#8433852 < 1324257302 970327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah. so no, then :P < 1324257310 375210 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i even saw that question < 1324257330 832040 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ha ha, I have over 100 times your rep. MY PRECIOUS MEANINGLESS INTERNET POINTS! < 1324257394 780612 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, that guy accepted the wrong answer (the one that isn't mine). :( < 1324257406 390804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fyl < 1324257455 545813 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has 5 more reputation than Ørjan! Hah! < 1324257456 238879 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1324257480 549091 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hmm, is the type system you talked about decidable? < 1324257499 788017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost certainly not < 1324257507 483105 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1324257516 377137 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-012-085.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1324257523 406349 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater sure does excess flood a lot. < 1324257527 241298 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, hmm, I don't see why not. < 1324257539 25253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, you can tell from the type whether a term is normalizable, which is essentially solving the halting problem < 1324257542 855084 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Checking a term has type (A /\ B) is just checking it has type A and type B. < 1324257547 618912 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Checking a term has type omega is just const True. < 1324257549 737358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/the type/the set of types/ < 1324257553 379174 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-012-085.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324257561 180459 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I guess so. < 1324257597 626548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, a term reduces to \x -> x iff it has type A -> A < 1324257638 591932 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, wait, it was a type system for the entire LC < 1324257646 693498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1324257652 354861 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was assuming it was just like Hindley-Milner, but with more stuff :) < 1324257658 968882 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, without the inferrence bit < 1324257659 999214 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/?> does in fact act like ?> in PHP < 1324257672 375382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. it doesn't even have polymorphism. < 1324257674 162110 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1324257676 656412 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ://?> does in fact act like ?> in PHP < 1324257706 338766 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or hmm, maybe not < 1324257710 691888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well apart from the first level of type variables. < 1324257731 386850 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: erm neither does haskell :P < 1324257735 178937 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by that definition < 1324257777 754318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, no let-polymorphism < 1324257785 785836 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soeone said that it is in fact just //?> < 1324257790 190665 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which ends PHP mode < 1324257794 255352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get to list every type you need to use a term with < 1324257819 990272 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "{loader.c} very big very big" < 1324257822 125175 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a good column. < 1324257825 539786 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, row. < 1324257830 863335 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right < 1324257839 920705 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: At least we all know how to compare "big" to "very big"! < 1324257840 837666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1324257851 607361 :tuubow!~adityavit@c-69-136-107-140.hsd1.nj.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324257854 313327 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "very big" > "big" < 1324257855 46323 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1324257857 921121 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :QED < 1324257879 561824 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"{pete.c} and {pete-2.c} are both attempts to loop until the biggest integer < 1324257879 738019 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is found. This cannot succeed as there is no biggest integer." < 1324257881 842003 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on, Pete! < 1324257884 270404 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're better than this. < 1324257891 942643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "extremely small" < "small" < 1324257892 694167 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1324257893 911759 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, Pete submitted 8 entries. < 1324257895 351346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works! < 1324257898 734071 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Don't worry, that's what pete-3 through pete-7 are for. < 1324257906 353273 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe pete-8. < 1324257908 206956 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What about pete-9? < 1324257914 93574 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*9 < 1324257921 100758 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits. < 1324257923 691303 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I could also use this code to support expr(expr) < 1324257925 692663 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who are we mocking? < 1324257931 816430 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*F[omega**omega](E(500)) < 1324257934 303684 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you know, if I ever support first-class functions < 1324257935 699240 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it was a different Pete for each one! < 1324257941 106849 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is sgeo even qualified to mock anything < 1324257962 441170 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I think you'll find you are implementing ``INFIX + SURROUND NOTATION''. < 1324257971 409734 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terminology (c) TehZ being a moron 2011-2011. < 1324257985 853491 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tehz being a moron is 2011 only? < 1324258011 120614 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I hate you. < 1324258011 691322 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Terminology (c) TehZ being a moron) 2011-2011. < 1324258013 619994 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :768) I hate you. < 1324258015 720389 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fixes the situation with surround notation. < 1324258060 5495 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :loader.c is beautiful. < 1324258061 321121 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: SURROUND? sounds fancy < 1324258105 92374 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In theory as well as implementation.) < 1324258191 521045 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Hey! He's the guy who wrote that advanced optimising brainfuck compiler. < 1324258267 239318 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324258288 326419 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Figures. < 1324258290 4783 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one? < 1324258310 113031 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bfdb, the only non-esotope compiler of the highest rank in http://code.google.com/p/esotope-bfc/wiki/Comparison. < 1324258342 527829 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the person who did the contest, not the person who wrote the winning entry. < 1324258413 195134 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I have not even used any preprocessor tricks to shorten the code, < 1324258413 411307 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I expect my entry to be already uncomparable to any other < 1324258413 411483 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :entry not using a nearly identical function scema." < 1324258413 731619 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://djm.cc/marxen-comments.txt < 1324258416 247874 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So cocky, Mr. Loser!!! < 1324258711 354316 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dd if=iso of=/dev/sdb < 1324258731 598157 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cp iso /dev/sdb < 1324258739 488661 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I win this round of shgolf. < 1324258764 958269 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I believe most cps will refuse to do that. < 1324258773 256184 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-51.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/sdb < 1324258785 500397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I believe GNU cp does unlink + open + write in that situation. < 1324258792 202989 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-51.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wins this round of better-shell-than-you < 1324258835 390895 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what shell is good shell < 1324258868 726864 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_ wins, I suppose. < 1324259221 111870 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: shachaf: Convince me to reboot into this installation medium and installaton it. < 1324259332 648997 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it... < 1324259343 599647 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: reboot into this installation medium and installaton it. < 1324259352 706609 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same thing I'm running, it's just a convenient way to clear out all this crap I have. < 1324259778 809343 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, how did ~ become 15 gigabytes? < 1324259844 195648 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :täysjyväruisleipäshachaf@argon:~$ df -h /home < 1324259844 772303 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on < 1324259844 948388 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/sda7 286G 222G 50G 82% /home < 1324259864 606262 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me that's not your real username. < 1324259874 683884 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1324259881 485066 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait don't. < 1324259881 828938 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, my username is jsut the last seven characters of that. < 1324259884 677852 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to believe. < 1324259885 596724 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit. < 1324259891 878829 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Change your username to that. < 1324259895 835151 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But täysjyväruisleipä is good too. < 1324259902 645828 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is presently enjoying some täysjyväruisleipä. < 1324259906 846589 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, täysjyväruisleipäshachaf. < 1324259933 274872 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't mean «"täysjyväruisleipä" would make a good username». I mean that täysjyväruisleipä is good. < 1324259944 782215 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON'T CARE. < 1324259948 646331 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: ragepat < 1324261323 834970 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the fact that my operator parser is actually non-associative is interfering with things. < 1324261646 540049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which elliott ragepats due to his seething hate of wholemeal bread. < 1324262217 702242 :Nisstyre!~yours@infocalypse-net.info QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1324262312 894915 :Nisstyre!~yours@infocalypse-net.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1324262906 602357 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-51.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1324263049 219641 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324264224 442773 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-150-147.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324265914 447329 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEAR GOD I NEED CSS < 1324265927 174736 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1324265972 566210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :comprehensive salvation system < 1324266013 92637 :TeruFSX_!~quassel@71-210-150-147.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324266036 828848 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd link to the problem, but < 1324266046 674159 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to use tables to style the page < 1324266049 106670 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really, really am < 1324266071 733284 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I _know_ tables < 1324266083 669161 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to use CSS to make one thing appear next to another < 1324266136 720197 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"make one thing appear next to another" in what way. < 1324266143 729262 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are different ways to do it. < 1324266160 968560 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, a button to delete some text should appear next to the text, not below it < 1324266176 20680 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should just link < 1324266180 465280 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crud, forgot to stop XSS < 1324266181 207342 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'd say tables are porbably better for your sanity. < 1324266197 827660 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-150-147.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1324266286 843114 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go, XSS blocked < 1324266310 511166 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: otherwise you'd want to use CSS positioning or float. < 1324266333 639429 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I won't say you /want/ to use those. :P < 1324266392 924519 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but float can be used to arrange elements in a way that's similar to tables. < 1324266621 669710 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.w3schools.com/css/tryit.asp?filename=trycss_float6 < 1324266635 493374 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though honestly I don't know why this would be preferred to tables. I find it hard to follow from the stylesheet. < 1324266729 242657 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this is not what I wanted < 1324266738 51511 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put float:right on all of the Delete buttons < 1324266748 854972 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of want to show yo < 1324266750 765907 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you < 1324266788 789292 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll use a table < 1324266811 267672 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead, I'll use tables < 1324267048 13220 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sold my soul to table. < 1324267072 220285 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's... nothing wrong with tables. < 1324267155 906624 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the HTML should convey structural information, while CSS should convey aesthetic details. < 1324267422 9340 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this is an aesthetic detail! < 1324267435 4576 :TeruFSX_!~quassel@71-210-150-147.mpls.qwest.net NICK :TeruFSX < 1324267443 726531 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the structural layout of the page? < 1324267462 598573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, only 7 spam messages on the wiki since yesterday? something must be wrong. < 1324267474 977809 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324267479 225676 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1324267482 959603 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the spammers are realizing no one actually pays attention < 1324267485 556716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, 8 < 1324267486 727804 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :archelliott: yo < 1324267492 226879 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :archelliott: Is arch any good? < 1324267509 697457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very archaic < 1324267511 392646 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably actually write delete.php < 1324267544 347970 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most common thing I've heard about Arch from people: "bah, I haven't set this up. brb I'm going to install X" < 1324267563 102739 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I've been using it for the past few months, this is just my nick for the irssi on the console while it installs :P < 1324267589 716989 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I used Gentoo for several years, so setup is *unlikely* to be an issue for me. < 1324267615 195136 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I would... cautiously say yes. I'm preferring it to Debian so far because it updates much, much quicker, and the low-patch, manual-configuration nature is what it is. < 1324267645 107141 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: There are a few really stupid things -- for instance, "python" is a link to python3, and you have to do python2 to get something that can actually run anything -- but only a few. < 1324267657 5657 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there's no freeze cycle, which is nice. :p < 1324267721 915739 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pacman itself I'm not the biggest fan of; it's a fairly reasonable package manager, but seemingly a bit slow (this may just be psychological; it's certainly not a substantial difference, and I haven't compared it to apt at all), and just generally fairly bare-bones compared to aptitude. But it works fine. < 1324267760 735679 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The AUR has just about everything under the sun, including packages for proprietary software and even payware (you supply the tarball), so that's nice. < 1324267784 779763 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like yaourt of course provides easy access to the AUR and makes pacman a bit fancier. I've been using aurget, but I don't think I still will on this reinstall; it's a bash script and it shows. < 1324267793 331946 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, yaourt still has quite a lot of bash, I gather. < 1324267834 975578 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The multilib situation isn't as good as it should be, but whose is. There's a separate multilib repo with lib32-* for just about everything, and you get to install a "gcc-multilib" package from there that replaces your normal gcc. < 1324267846 763470 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beyond that it just works (you have to add the repo though; it's official but not default). < 1324267854 957898 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :archelliott: Absolutely nothing does multilib "well" yet, though. < 1324267865 650313 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. < 1324267870 574943 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wait for Kitten" and so on. < 1324267880 427087 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually, that's not true. Mandriva does it nicely. < 1324267890 964139 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You install x86 packages. < 1324267896 138166 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... Literally it. < 1324267901 930842 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're sick of Debian I'd say give it a try. There's not really all that much *to* Arch as a distro, so it doesn't take more than a week or two to figure out if you like it. < 1324267920 316300 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :archelliott: how does one get tired of Debian? < 1324267922 542925 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So people on x86 have everything in funky directories? :p < 1324267925 357512 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not so much "sick of" as "have a handful of annoyances at it". < 1324267956 963366 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :archelliott: Actually, it's generally the 64-bit stuff that has to deal with that. Remember, /lib on x86-64 is /lib64. < 1324267975 304160 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: By noticing how fucking old everything is, even in testing. Or by realising that the freeze is really annoying. < 1324267997 878312 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the freeze"? < 1324268007 596173 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: testing freezes for upcoming releases. < 1324268030 543692 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: testing stops getting updates for quite a while before a stable release. < 1324268042 128925 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use sid, but then your system is too broken to appreciate the rolling nature. < 1324268060 721218 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use sid + every available experimental package if you want to blow up a few computers. < 1324268066 579667 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian: it gives you choices. < 1324268072 397119 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sid = rolling release Debian? < 1324268090 598602 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol im no0b < 1324268104 313047 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sid = the unstable repository. < 1324268108 430672 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sid = "THIS WILL BREAK" < 1324268112 448924 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Updates flow from experimental to unstable to testing to stable. < 1324268123 569946 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :experimental can't boot; it's not a complete system. < 1324268131 537080 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unstable is always called sid, 'cuz it breaks things. < 1324268132 602391 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION picks that one. < 1324268132 778534 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "experimental" bit is optional, IIRC. < 1324268140 293916 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing is called whatever stable will be called next. < 1324268149 914318 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stable is named after Toy Story characters that aren't Sid. < 1324268153 125749 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally you just submit to unstable. < 1324268162 414657 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Right, I thought that might be the case < 1324268186 310094 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :experimental is for, e.g. testing a new X feature. < 1324268196 524696 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC Wayland is in experimental. < 1324268201 447865 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or quantum teleporting. < 1324268233 144185 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: More Arch notes: It just uses BSD init, so... yeah. rc.d scripts are tedious to write, but at least they're fairly simple. And you configure things by modifying the DAEMONS array in /etc/rc.conf (a bash script!) rather than messing around with an inittab. < 1324268268 925167 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also there's /etc/conf.d for passing arguments and stuff to things that /etc/rc.d starts, so it's not as bad as it could be. < 1324268285 975716 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember BSD init just being the default there. I distinctly remember them having runit packages, for instance... < 1324268286 151608 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kim jong-il is dead < 1324268294 135872 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1324268298 356914 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Changing "defaults" to "noatime" in fstab is how you get noatime, right? < 1324268299 772190 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fstab scares me. < 1324268303 985193 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Neat! < 1324268318 91958 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't the kid he was grooming for dictator-in-waiting reluctant? < 1324268333 413568 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno < 1324268339 451775 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :his third son was to be his successor < 1324268345 849944 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a bunch of speculation it would be his first < 1324268347 591000 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: There's packages for lots of things. But running anything but bsdinit is fairly impractical. < 1324268360 922518 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is a stuck-up self-indulgent prick from what I've heard < 1324268363 962262 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so people were worried < 1324268366 663889 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Every package comes with rc.d scripts, the rc.conf thing only works with bsdinit, etc. < 1324268369 907445 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Unlike Kim Jong-Il? < 1324268398 546876 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: There's a moderately large repository of systemd scripts and the like for it, but it's very much the path of least resistance just to use bsdinit. < 1324268417 8595 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :archelliott: Kim Jong-Il had a good understanding of his limitations, although he would do his very best to ensure that no one knew he had any < 1324268427 825068 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, still better than SysV init. < 1324268462 422091 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Gonna go out on a limb and say that the people of North Korea are going to be starving even more than they are in the near future. < 1324268467 235163 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he wasn't a prick from what I heard < 1324268473 499907 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :archelliott: dunno. Also, arch? < 1324268487 239830 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: He's a dictator, it's literally impossible for him not to be a prick by definition. < 1324268492 529623 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: What about it? < 1324268503 10666 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hmm, is "defaults,noatime" really distinct from "noatime"? < 1324268504 602012 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :archelliott: for all I know his third son might be like "wtf are we doing guises, lets appease the west and destarve our country" < 1324268515 792911 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :archelliott: why are you arch all of a sudden? < 1324268549 714711 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Is his third son the one that was all jet-setting about Europe? < 1324268556 300915 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And because I'm using irssi from the console from an installation CD. < 1324268556 589408 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :archelliott: dunno < 1324268560 357059 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1324268561 907823 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't want to have to type my NickServ password. < 1324268563 289194 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm lazy. < 1324268736 144063 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :archelliott: Dunno. < 1324268792 168838 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hmm, do you use noatime or relatime < 1324268829 333709 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally use relatime, as is default on recent Linux. < 1324268866 306628 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, is it default? < 1324268868 274215 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With "defaults"? < 1324268890 645225 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1324268896 115382 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like I don't gotta do nothin'! < 1324268908 611841 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there's one thing Arch has, it's a recent kernel :P < 1324268917 573125 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems ever since 2.6.30. < 1324268940 663789 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :strictatime is necessary if you want the POSIX behavior. < 1324268973 521548 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, another Arch comment: What its installer calls "GRUB" is actually GRUB Legacy (the other option is syslinux); personally I use ext2 /boot + jfs / and GRUB Legacy. < 1324268985 672186 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installing GRUB 2 manually is probably not worth the hassle just to avoid a /boot. < 1324269037 622317 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATM it'd be a royal freaking pain for me to avoid a /boot. < 1324269054 238655 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you're one of those LVM crazies. < 1324269056 990765 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1324269076 305897 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, it's a pain to resize an LVM physical volume. < 1324269087 368240 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1324269120 275064 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've had this partition setup since before GRUB 2 was sane. < 1324269132 603788 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Another Arch comment, then: Its wiki has very good in-depth discussion of software and its configuration, primarily on Arch. You'll probably want to read the LVM wiki page for installation details. < 1324269158 523321 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It basically goes like "create partitions manually, and then make sure to flip all these switches in the config files the installer dumps you in".) < 1324269171 245690 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has support for booting LVM OOTB, though, just needs enabling. < 1324269192 960774 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, looks like I have enough partitions installed to reboot < 1324269196 280543 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See you on the other side < 1324269199 54045 :archelliott!~arch@95.149.230.174 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1324269221 786129 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1324269366 411716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1324269367 931087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1324269408 116916 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1324269418 747739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1324269467 64800 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEVICE=GENERAL.MDV < 1324269472 413458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1324269481 31940 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea what that means, but that text is within one of these MIDI files < 1324269550 537614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: More Arch Comments(tm): The distro GHC package is good, but avoid the haskell-* packages, especially from AUR; they're mostly good-quality, and the majority of the AUR ones are built with profiling and shared library support, but the ones that are out of date or lack profiling bring the whole thing down; stick to manually-installed cabal-install etc. < 1324269589 706516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is relevant to me, as my next task after installing Xorg is to install xmonad. < 1324269648 697509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh! Another important thing: You'll want to avoid the "xorg" metapackage, it brings in way too much crap. xorg-server + the driver packages you need is far better. < 1324269651 695613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaand that's it. < 1324269664 814260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It depends on every driver that X.org upstream ships.) < 1324270044 525429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION installs that bastion of temporary window managers, twm. < 1324270070 780762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION also temporarily installs xterm to remove later. < 1324270147 182785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woot! Things broke since the last time I did all this. < 1324270346 282708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why isn't my mouse working in X :( < 1324270840 332037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well this sucks. < 1324271068 710996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ;___; < 1324271089 813738 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep < 1324271128 364619 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gingrich said that, as president, he would abolish whole courts to be rid of judges whose decisions he feels are out of step with the country." < 1324271135 771232 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is he trying to be the country's first dictator? < 1324271159 550437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUUUURE JUST TALK ABOUT POLITICS, MY MOUSE IS HURT PERMANENTLY < 1324271258 374947 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, I missed Arch-Elliott. < 1324271311 849279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He died because my FUCING MOUSE DOESN'T WORK. < 1324271313 806527 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you know any good parser generators for Python? (particularly one that supports LR) < 1324271323 506209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: No. < 1324271327 941267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing in Python is good. < 1324271355 618464 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Among decisions he is against: stopping public-school mandated prayer, anything supporting homosexuality. < 1324271366 670461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I've even installed xf86-input-mouse ;_______________; < 1324271374 717739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________; < 1324271411 133804 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there's a package called Plex that mimics GNU Lex. Is this a good thing or a bad thing? < 1324271436 509605 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: There is no such thing as GNU Lex. < 1324271438 805342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: There's no program called "GNU Lex", and lex isn't a parser generator, so no. < 1324271453 545788 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh Flex < 1324271466 604596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is not a GNU project. < 1324271485 608491 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a pbison < 1324271491 564273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pison. < 1324271503 297576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yo fix my mouse thx < 1324271510 880937 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya(p)cc < 1324271540 841017 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: there's pybison < 1324271550 336516 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough < 1324271553 603949 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pyson < 1324271563 179571 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I support using it < 1324271570 96871 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just it mihgt do what you want (badly) < 1324271572 261329 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :PyBison is a YACC (Yet Another Compiler Compiler) style parser. PyBison was written by Scott Hassan in 1997 and almost disappeared. < 1324271575 223402 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good. < 1324271592 252457 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are parser combinators any good in python < 1324271593 249634 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :A completely different PyBison can be found at (version 0.1.8 as of 2006-06-22): < 1324271594 805685 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(canned laughter) < 1324271611 528733 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I'm having issues with them. < 1324271622 839903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just write a recursive-descent parser < 1324271627 400442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a real finite state automaton < 1324271640 457012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: WH;Y DOESNT MEMY NOUSE WORK!!!!! < 1324271648 52015 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i forget.................. < 1324271651 503314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: HELP < 1324271655 592032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION CRY < 1324271656 458988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION CRY < 1324271656 679672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION CRY < 1324271661 561168 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay this version of pybison looks to be somewhat maintained and also has LALR support. < 1324271665 555719 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i may or may not have had that probelm in the past, and i may or may not have solved it by using methods deprecated by now < 1324271669 841632 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Um. Look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log? < 1324271671 359919 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i forget these things < 1324271704 967259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I did. All the evdev lines pretty much go "ah yes, you have a USB keyboard! and a laptop keyboard! and a synaptics trackpad! (that one doesn't work to move the cursor, incidentally) and a power button!" and nothing about any mice. < 1324271722 499874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've installed xf86-input-mouse and xf86-input-synaptics (just in case??? it's a USB mouse). < 1324271726 210867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No difference. < 1324271731 888869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this "just worked" with udev previously... < 1324271791 705803 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Seems you want evdev? < 1324271804 150276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, I of course have xf86-input-evdev; the Xorg server depends on it. < 1324271810 677393 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't realise. < 1324271813 896951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My (USB) keyboard works, just not my mouse :/ < 1324271827 590776 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm at a loss. < 1324271924 866857 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324271926 596295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... _suppose_ I could just soldier on to install xmonad and try and fix this afterwards, but I Don't Really Want To(tm). < 1324272015 481531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If it helps any, nothing in /dev/input reacts to mouse movement. < 1324272027 182680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I think this is a udev-level problem, and I have no idea how to fix those; there's no udev driver packages or anything. < 1324272038 147991 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or missing kernel modules. < 1324272053 920651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a bog-standard Microsoft USB mouse? < 1324272054 135198 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is *unlikely*, given you have the USB HID working) < 1324272063 197045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1324272069 680831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the problem is that I haven't rebooted. < 1324272069 856908 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that should just be a standard HID device. < 1324272080 876245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be that it activated my keyboard because, well, you always need a keyboard. < 1324272083 899649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But didn't bother with the mouse? < 1324272086 674969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck it, I'd might as well try it. < 1324272087 623995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1324272096 26480 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is supported by the *exact same module* as your keyboard. < 1324272112 873731 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324272123 265576 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grrrr < 1324272125 169138 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long was I gone form < 1324272127 265396 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*for < 1324272139 334379 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been so long I've forgotten < 1324272159 509234 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1324272182 505128 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not feel like starting Timidity from the beginning < 1324272218 532694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1324272224 926031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have but one question to offer the world. < 1324272229 333627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY THE FUCK DID THAT WORK < 1324272248 508214 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck if I know. < 1324272258 646176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELCOME TO LINUX, EVERYBODY!!! < 1324272302 828025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Xorg has correctly detected that I have a high-PPI display, and twm is making its window titles appropriately over-chunky, but the problem is that all I have installed are bitmap fnots, so it has a tiny little title looking ridiculous in the middle of a ginormous frame. < 1324272306 830226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fonts < 1324272417 209558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. 96x96 dots per inch. < 1324272425 98374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess twm just wanted to draw some big borders? < 1324272458 543978 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How's your mouse? < 1324272462 9814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Working. < 1324272464 838442 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. < 1324272467 409942 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to fix it. < 1324272474 474580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix mouse < 1324272475 309929 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `mouse' < 1324272479 705636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't. < 1324272493 25587 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mouse isn't in my scope? < 1324272507 699932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, precisely. < 1324272538 895120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1324272600 544644 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.230.174 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324272603 710184 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.230.174 QUIT :Changing host < 1324272603 886386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1324272606 117721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What's the Best Terminal? < 1324272633 497430 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: urxvt < 1324272636 240501 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously. < 1324272645 236795 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually urxvt is just OK.) < 1324272660 112071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, I know a lot of just OK terminals. Such as urxvt, and gnome-terminal. < 1324272665 241844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping there might be something better. < 1324272694 954950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My main complaints with urxvt are (a) you need extra shit just for it to recognise URLs and (b) you can't get a scrollbar with both works nicely and doesn't look awful.) < 1324272808 279046 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (elliott's.mouse) now < 1324272809 694070 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : working (elliott's.mouse) < 1324272825 461567 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should write a terminal TO END ALL TERMINALS. < 1324272825 637916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1324272833 368453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I've considered it, like, twice. < 1324272844 751924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's one of the most boring, most difficult, and least rewarding NIHings possible. < 1324272851 586529 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Linux started as a terminal emulator, you know. < 1324272856 122332 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your pet OS is next! < 1324272863 606240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: And look where that got it! < 1324272865 637329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Unix clone! < 1324272872 518979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A *bad* Unix clone! < 1324272893 235005 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*bad* Unix) clone or *bad* (Unix clone)? < 1324272904 325608 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also, the fact that you can install a thing to make URL recognition work is *good*. < 1324272906 527124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former is redundant. < 1324272911 547842 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than being one monolithic package that does things. < 1324272941 343445 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modularity should be encouraged. It's not a terminal emulator's job to recognitionalise URLs. < 1324272950 831035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, perhaps. I think on the list of software I urgently desire to be modular, terminals are very low down. And modularity has a large up-front cost in complexity on Unix, so making it modular and writing an addon usually has way less payoff than just writing the code directly. < 1324272969 712997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like modularity, but half of @'s schtick is that Unix is basically fundamentally non-composable, so... yeah. < 1324272977 628671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an Opinion I Hold. < 1324272992 475237 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: urxvt uses Perl for modularity, and Perl is fundamentally un-UNIXy. < 1324273000 166525 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you should be happy. < 1324273006 318937 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is glad that @ is going to wind up like Perl. < 1324273022 151143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the contrary, it's the latest in a proud Unix heritage line of being fundamentally un-UNIXy. < 1324273033 623333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe dd was in the initial Unix; or was it find? < 1324273079 442792 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently dd was in Version 7 Unix. < 1324273080 314789 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. < 1324273107 740531 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything bad about dd other than the if= and of=? < 1324273111 186703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was, like, Unix 8-10 where they started realising they had a mountain of cruft and tried to reduce it. < 1324273115 717673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they threw it all out and started again. < 1324273130 979543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, apart from its invocation syntax being incredibly un-UNIXy, its entire functionality is that. < 1324273135 421256 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plan 9 is the ultimate OS. There's no way @ can beat Plan 9. < 1324273149 507461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It bundles diverse features such as character-set conversion, skipping bytes, etc. into a monolithic tool. < 1324273164 755500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: Unix is actually fairly composable at the base level, if you're operating on streams of bytes.) < 1324273171 676468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unfortunately, most things aren't streams of bytes.) < 1324273187 295285 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYTHING IS STREAMS OF BYTES. with newlines < 1324273191 3485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I like Plan 9 a lot, but if it were true to its convictions, it wouldn't have a C compiler. < 1324273212 728113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, if everything is a file, then rc should be an incredibly expressive programming language for the environment. < 1324273218 244336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Given a compiler.) < 1324273233 4784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if strings are the best data structure, well... rc, man! It just has strings. < 1324273239 273267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also lists of strings, but everyone makes concessions for practicality. < 1324273294 544114 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about lists of lists of strings? < 1324273302 889663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rc doesn't have those. < 1324273312 660705 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about lists of lists of lists of strings? < 1324273316 733390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like Perl; ($a $b) concatenates $a and $b. < 1324273319 932873 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This song is like a rock Ode to Joy or something < 1324273321 245309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, of course it has those. (No.) < 1324273327 696695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That's the worst thing you've ever said. < 1324273348 203062 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Aw. My working hypothesis was that it had them for odd-numbered repetitions of "lists of". < 1324273359 965665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Prime, actually. < 1324273365 823162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more efficient. < 1324273375 909238 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://daychilde.com/midiguy/87197438.mid < 1324273380 50099 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prime numbers like 1, and unlike 2. < 1324273388 300757 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's only for numbers that are ∈ {1,5}. < 1324273390 335404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so glad I can't click links right now. < 1324273396 838437 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about lists of lists of lists of lists of lists of strings? < 1324273401 236442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's a blessing in disguise of rxvt. < 1324273403 825216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Only on Sundays. < 1324273407 193882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: WHAT BEST TERMINAL < 1324273410 58791 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: By the way, I can't click links at all. < 1324273418 382341 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, rather, I don't. < 1324273426 909769 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love this < 1324273430 270018 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: When I see a link I copy it into my browser's URL bar. < 1324273437 821136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: By clicking it to select it. < 1324273439 893725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q.E.Z. < 1324273443 98684 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: This is because clicking a link doesn't open it in Chrome's Incognito Mode. < 1324273461 640712 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, what do you think of this .mid? < 1324273469 195652 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Can't listen to audio here. < 1324273472 638550 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww < 1324273480 174553 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor do I want to listen to "like a rock Ode to Joy or something" < 1324273503 976814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is going to write the best song ever and it's going to be called "Like a rock Ode to Joy or something". < 1324273508 389695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND THEN SHACHAF WILL RUE THE DAY HE SAID THOSE WORDS. < 1324273545 177030 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kangas the day. < 1324273562 655559 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What date was your birthday, by the way? < 1324273562 985912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kangarue is not a thing, shachaf. < 1324273574 661711 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Kangarue is totally a thing! < 1324273577 817967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And instead of answering that, I'm going to install urxvt. < 1324273580 894695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: doop < 1324273672 559009 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott Imagine if your computer supported multitasking so you could run the "install urxvt" program at the same time as the "don't-want-to-be-overheard-hacker-talk" program. < 1324273672 790138 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1324273702 694259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1324273714 747883 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1324273718 815661 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be called "End of the Century" < 1324273726 143597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Targets (34): atk-2.2.0-1 cairo-1.10.2-2 libdatrie-0.2.5-1 libthai-0.1.16-1 pango-1.29.4-1 libxcursor-1.1.12-1 randrproto-1.3.2-1 libxrandr-1.3.2-2 libxml2-2.7.8-1 shared-mime-info-0.91-1 libtasn1-2.9-1 nettle-2.4-1 p11-kit-0.9-1 gnutls-3.0.9-1 libdaemon-0.14-1 dbus-1.4.16-1 avahi-0.6.30-6 libcups-1.5.0-1 gtk-update-icon-cache-2.24.8-2 gtk2-2.24.8-2 dbus-glib-0.98-1 < 1324273726 333269 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1324273732 42999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : nspr-.8.9-2 sqlite3--3.7.9-1 nss-3.12.11-3 alsa-lib-1.0.24.1-1 xorg-xset-1.2.2-1 xdg-utils-1.1.0rc1-3 libevent-2.0.16-1 scrnsaverproto-1.2.1-1 libxss-1.2.1-1 ttf-dejavu-2.33-1 desktop-file-utils-0.18-1 hicolor-icon-theme-0.12-1 chromium-16.0.912.63-1 < 1324273733 424097 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted backward by mistake. < 1324273736 71367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at these fucking dependencies. < 1324273739 502082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many dependencies can one program have?! < 1324273750 705301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is like THE INFINITE UNENDING DEPENDENCY CHAIN. Not hyperbolic in the slightest. < 1324273753 626139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually they're not all that bad. < 1324273759 102545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it looks so long in this tiny terminal. < 1324273762 867280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be the bitmap font. < 1324273774 992561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1324273775 192427 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf said 1m 43s ago: Imagine if your computer supported multitasking so you could run the "install urxvt" program at the same time as the "don't-want-to-be-overheard-hacker-talk" program. < 1324273777 305037 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW4cNIFpBzQ < 1324273791 664538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I was using the console, man! I had like 6 tasks. < 1324273795 572740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Max. < 1324273799 325309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't waste those buggers. < 1324273805 609878 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also, did you know about xpra? < 1324273808 58235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, twm isn't really all that bad. < 1324273811 859047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What's that? < 1324273816 451120 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like screen for X11. < 1324273817 376922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a usable browser yet. < 1324273821 608226 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Detach/attach etc. < 1324273823 499045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: So, a tiling window manager? < 1324273824 10459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1324273828 195016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I think so, yes. < 1324273830 679805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's the one I'm thinking of. < 1324273839 593935 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you thinking of xpra? < 1324273841 463544 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, yes. < 1324273843 449721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use remote X programs, though. < 1324273844 180853 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not so, no. < 1324273846 430867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way lies madness. < 1324273856 891087 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So what? This is also helpful if you restart your X server < 1324273873 789604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, point. Does that actually work with a reparenting window manager? < 1324273885 523047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I don't know that xmonad is actually reparenting. < 1324273915 547580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, can it be configured to just detach everything, or would I have to code up some shaky loop for the purpose? Still, I don't restart X often. < 1324273924 22945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X crashes a lot, but usually because of other programs misbehaving. < 1324273950 357700 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It works like screen. When your X session dies, the programs don't. < 1324273954 621447 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can reättach. < 1324274020 440670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ompldr.org/vYnQ2Zg < 1324274030 272064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is the only twm + chromium user in the universe. < 1324274040 824052 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Delete that screenshot. :-( < 1324274051 289977 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can't. < 1324274055 515855 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't like being screenshot. < 1324274068 76862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I specifically picked ompldr because they last forever, unlike imgur, too. < 1324274079 563848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your words are recorded FOREVER in a screenshot in some logs right after you say them. < 1324274095 437021 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imgur doesn't last for the ever? < 1324274119 136231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to, but then it started pushing terabytes of bandwidth per time interval. < 1324274132 96718 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So you're using Arch? < 1324274136 644725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1324274156 298370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! An easy Stack Overflow question! All I need is, um, a Haskell compiler and a wnidow manager I don't loathe. < 1324274156 474555 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it good? < 1324274161 872011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I just answered that at length! < 1324274170 381112 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed that. < 1324274200 227712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2011-12-19#040655archelliott < 1324274226 923304 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm preferring it to Debian so far because it updates much, much quicker, and the low-patch, manual-configuration nature is what it is." < 1324274252 931855 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"updates" in the sense of "apt-get update"? < 1324274267 258477 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or in the sense of upgrades? Doesn't it compile things on upgrades? < 1324274268 918888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the sense of "new upstream versions being uploaded to the repositories". < 1324274274 514273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, Arch is a binary distribution. < 1324274275 533541 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, *that* sense. < 1324274280 713769 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a binary distribution? < 1324274284 713002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1324274287 640640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i686 and x86-64. < 1324274290 407084 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exclusively? < 1324274299 231202 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't it use to be source-based? < 1324274303 187579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can download the package repos and "makepkg" and all that. < 1324274304 206974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No. < 1324274311 856628 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. < 1324274328 246450 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: In a sense it's source-based, in that you can use it that way if you really want. < 1324274346 121495 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, this is not at all how it's meant to be used. < 1324274376 664209 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> comparе "Arch" "Gentoo" < 1324274378 56256 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : EQ < 1324274379 455754 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1324274382 196485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I really need to get xmonad running, this is unbearable. < 1324274393 562118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't bear it because I am not a bear. < 1324274404 723967 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll install the Archlinux sometime. < 1324274427 238913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's still on GHC 7.0.3! Admittedly 7.2.2 is in [testing]. < 1324274460 359213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :INSTALL QUICKER YOU STUPID THING, I HAVE A STACKOVERFLOW QUESTION TO ANSWER. < 1324274465 736864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :While learning to use a new window manager! < 1324274468 782458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BEST TIME to do anything. < 1324274469 330396 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Didn't you hear, you can get GHC 7.5 nowadays? < 1324274476 934701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses GHC 8. < 1324274485 972486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like GHC 7 but I hex-edit the binary to say 8. < 1324274486 482730 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> round 7.5 < 1324274487 292247 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8 < 1324274496 918575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses GHC @. < 1324274505 992214 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should oct-edit the binary instead of hex-editing it. < 1324274521 918228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: @ actually stores files in octal instead of hex form. < 1324274524 591219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :True Fact(tm) < 1324274536 346695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one better. < 1324274537 693721 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION >>= undefined < 1324274547 479372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, um, 8 less. < 1324274550 669968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, 9. < 1324274554 262880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 less and one better. < 1324274559 34931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I remember how arithmetic works today. < 1324274605 126617 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What... store files in octal instead of hex form? That should be a function of the hardware instead of the software isn't it? And anyway it store file in 8-bits in 1 byte form. < 1324274705 279920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to install xmonad and all its dependencies. < 1324275031 808836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1324275075 41560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t comparе < 1324275075 768283 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `compar' < 1324275082 118334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny guy < 1324275102 50393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1324275123 481927 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1324275127 357293 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t id < 1324275128 127220 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. a -> a < 1324275131 103568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TODO: Get urxvt using a reasonable font, learn enough xmonad to use it well enough to write this SO question. < 1324275131 581888 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1324275131 758419 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t compare < 1324275132 586385 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Ord a) => a -> a -> Ordering < 1324275134 6913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*answer. < 1324275140 23418 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, shenanigans>? < 1324275144 617863 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t compare < 1324275145 355001 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexical error at character '\SI' < 1324275157 736214 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fails at shenanigans < 1324275174 680593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Client Quit < 1324275404 406088 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, monqy update < 1324275412 308131 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo........................ < 1324275460 433215 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea what to do. < 1324275488 684717 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I keep using this parser combinator thing and attempt to hack it to not hit max stack depth < 1324275504 165958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1324275505 71680 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should I switch to pybison which uses flex/yacc < 1324275512 768415 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hitting max stack depth? ahahahah < 1324275516 751220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, this is starting to get reasaonable. < 1324275541 555518 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you disabled the thingy that changes focus when you mouseover windows? that's the first thing to disable < 1324275543 670331 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, update < 1324275548 546930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Seriously? < 1324275551 939597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's great with a tiling W<. < 1324275552 957916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WM. < 1324275562 619049 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehh, I dislike it < 1324275573 40833 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually just do the keyboard thing < 1324275581 551632 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, should I not ping you on update? < 1324275625 390168 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to write something about the feeling of hopelessness and entrapment when sgeo calls out your name and whispers "update" but then I decided not to < 1324275641 285758 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because kallisti had said another thing that ruined it < 1324275646 293428 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or would have < 1324275648 304485 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I had written it < 1324275667 87641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet sweet taste of despair. or is that blood. < 1324275704 492022 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can I interpret PEG to mean "allows left recursion"? < 1324275716 776869 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, monqy update regarding opinion of update < 1324275716 953186 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no. < 1324275718 404524 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I cannot. < 1324275742 338046 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo............................ < 1324275815 862951 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should stop < 1324275829 479831 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.seehuhn.de/pages/wisent this might be good? I can't tell if it's being maintained though. < 1324275861 347231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, I hope that guy just gives me the bounty so I don't have to answer this thing < 1324275890 442511 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bounty? < 1324275895 517960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack overflow < 1324275904 969944 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stack Overflow has bounties? < 1324275909 339808 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: elliott is playing stack overflow: the game < 1324275910 949080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1324275950 685690 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should start directing my questions to stack overflow with the hope that elliott will actally answer them that way. < 1324275957 593724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would work < 1324275995 505399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t do { x <- (+); return x } < 1324275996 318095 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Num a) => a -> a -> a < 1324276004 480385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t do { x <- (+); y <- (-); return (x+y) } < 1324276005 307069 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Num a) => a -> a -> a < 1324276013 647057 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION return < 1324276041 663115 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION >>= < 1324276069 340118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION traverse < 1324276077 574491 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION  < 1324276108 237354 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fabled monqy combinator. < 1324276155 660784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION removes xev, xdpyinfo and twm to feel more hardcore. < 1324276166 657531 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it automatically determines the appropriate use of punctuation and case for any strings within an arbitrary function. < 1324276177 63246 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ($5) . ($5) $ do { x <- (+); y <- (-); return (x+y) } < 1324276178 554423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 10 < 1324276201 901649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool, if I click on the red border of Chromium, I get < 1324276202 433342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[4385:4385:4059690450:ERROR:browser_main.cc(146)] Gdk: IA__gdk_window_get_events: assertion `GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed < 1324276205 972896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[4385:4385:4059690513:ERROR:browser_main.cc(146)] GLib-GObject: g_object_ref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed < 1324276208 908507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[4385:4385:4059762607:ERROR:browser_main.cc(146)] GLib-GObject: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed < 1324276211 961813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my chromium-running terminal. < 1324276224 554654 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :exciting < 1324276231 159997 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick is to ignore the terminal or don't have one < 1324276240 848362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a temporary solution! < 1324276243 46269 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: the red border of Chromium is neither a window nor an object < 1324276253 331196 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Are you running xmonad now? < 1324276257 911348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Wow, tell me there's a way to get mouse events to the border of a window to go inside it. < 1324276265 707820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't shoot my mouse to the top of the window and use the scroll wheel to select tabs in Chromium. < 1324276268 802622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my *lifeline*. < 1324276280 497607 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't knowww :( < 1324276305 851591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Major TODO: Get font rendering not looking like shit, get urxvt not looking like shit. < 1324276320 4232 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :urxvt < 1324276335 294126 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh, people think they can just use any combination of characters to name something. < 1324276345 349246 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is this xmonad? < 1324276360 729485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Our X11 virtual terminal, Unicode. < 1324276363 997866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. < 1324276365 878655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Why? < 1324276389 878976 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your Chromium window is the only one visible, you can use SmartBorders. < 1324276415 180552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it isn't, but it will be once I get a workspace setup I like. < 1324276423 909279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The setup will probably involve one workspace per application, dynamically allocated. < 1324276434 138600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for most things, anyway. < 1324276447 25313 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like alt-tabbing, but better. < 1324276460 782639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I would use dmenu or such to switch. < 1324276463 684660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's much better than alt-tab. < 1324276503 605378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "I upgraded Haskell over the weekend." Is it okay to be annoyed at statements like this? < 1324276514 977753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's worse because the Haskell Platform folks actively promote it. < 1324276521 512969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Download Haskell", fuck you. < 1324276527 623116 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not if you're Simon Peyton Jones and Haskell 2010 was released. < 1324276528 329077 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the opposite approach in that I typically don't maximize windows and instead have many small windows everywhere. So I'd probably used a lot of tiled windows (shocking) < 1324276536 209644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: :-D < 1324276539 133176 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: :) < 1324276551 753191 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, "I upgraded C" < 1324276553 852955 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*groan* < 1324276566 315467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- dmr, RIP. < 1324276580 197331 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1324276627 221633 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION upgraded IRC < 1324276631 683136 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's now based on XML. < 1324276691 895047 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And called "Jabber". < 1324276694 552202 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could it be possible to make the ReadthisT transformer going backward? < 1324276736 763787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You may be interested in: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Rxvt-unicode#Yankable_URLs_.28No_Mouse.29 < 1324276740 149213 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or any of my other transformers? < 1324276868 970394 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ã… < 1324276925 238539 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I am aware of that extension's existence. < 1324276927 410866 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype ReadthisT f x = ReadthisT { runReadthisT :: f () -> f x }; lift = ReadthisT . const; fmap f = ReadthisT . (fmap f .) . runReadthisT; join (ReadthisT x) = ReadthisT (\y -> x y >>= ($ (() <$ (y >> x y))) . runReadthisT); < 1324276934 59469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION restarts X. < 1324276944 451233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1324277064 708717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/ngngc/the_haskell_platform_20114_is_now_available/c39140r < 1324277325 581412 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.230.174 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324277326 429907 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.230.174 QUIT :Changing host < 1324277326 605928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1324277338 52596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know how to get fontconfig to tell me what its configuration is? < 1324277352 437386 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :at first I read that URL to say "the haskell platform 2014 is now available" < 1324277354 107425 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :already? < 1324277383 509166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: they're clearly merging feather into the type system. < 1324277439 160736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :repetition just for elliott: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/ngngc/the_haskell_platform_20114_is_now_available/c39140r < 1324277548 50754 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324277551 275270 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.230.92 QUIT :Changing host < 1324277551 451474 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1324277575 815021 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What #haskell needs is an offshoot, #cale-patiently-explaining-haskell-to-morons. It's a good public service, it's just incredibly frustrating to watch :P < 1324277596 657185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1324277634 235113 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Do I still need a graduate degree in category theory in order to print to a log file?" < 1324277641 638342 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This reminds me! I should not read /r/programming. < 1324277667 453291 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do you know the horror that comes from your tab titles being subpixel-antialiased with a subtly but noticeably different algorithm from the page content? < 1324277678 76116 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have failed to replicate my fontconfig rules in Xresources. :( < 1324277692 499200 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: don't you know that writing to log files is what Real Programmers do? < 1324277710 448059 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm writing to a log file right now. It's so legitimate. < 1324277796 711706 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Trolling aside: < 1324277797 31014 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm someone who loved programming in ML (predecessor of Haskell) in college but still has the worldview that user interaction, file handling/writing/reading, UI and such stuff is hard to do in functional languages without it feeling forced/backwards. < 1324277800 764183 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1324277803 754382 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny because they said "trolling aside". < 1324277823 636600 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Eh. < 1324277823 822971 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brain tried hard at Haskell. < 1324277823 999084 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not grok it. < 1324277823 999268 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also do not understand Monads. The little I understand is that they seem to describe some mystic, arcane concepts which only those within the circle understand. < 1324277825 357290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : This reminds me! I should not read /r/programming. <-- hey i only pointed you at that one subthread < 1324277826 685280 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1324277829 144010 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadfjkghl < 1324277831 571166 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am closing this tab now. < 1324277846 422682 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, we should convert all our monads into arrows just so people stop fucking saying that. < 1324277908 130981 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Haskell-tainted mind made me write a PHP function differently from the way I was going to do it < 1324277915 663415 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sort < 1324277916 411968 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Ord a) => [a] -> [a] < 1324277918 217973 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I returned a string instead of just echoing < 1324277918 405834 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src sort < 1324277918 730343 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort = sortBy compare < 1324277923 306846 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: oh no < 1324277925 607251 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the Haskell mind virus, it's the Haskell mind helper. < 1324277933 938939 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src sortBy < 1324277934 137854 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sortBy cmp = foldr (insertBy cmp) [] < 1324277950 922571 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1324277971 925904 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insertion sort? Nice. < 1324277973 844811 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not what GHC uses, though. < 1324277982 460958 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have expected something bet-- oh < 1324277991 50425 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"@src" sucks bigtime. < 1324277996 592900 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I've gathered. < 1324277999 725099 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src elliott_ < 1324277999 913388 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. You type like i drive. < 1324278026 522400 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hey, how do you set the cursor in X? I have an X rather than a pointer. < 1324278027 294558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: ghc uses mergesort < 1324278031 918035 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: granted I believe it was written with the purpose of helping newbies, and not as a tool for people who want to actually know what the source code looks like in GHC. < 1324278042 512443 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Well, it's not even GHC, it's just base. < 1324278044 992950 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: any particular reason why mergesort is preferred to quicksort? < 1324278051 180624 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's a mix of the Report, random shit, and missingness. < 1324278054 991716 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Quicksort sucks on linked lists. < 1324278063 685332 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay. < 1324278064 366753 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quicksort also has terrible worst-case behaviour compared to mergesort. < 1324278070 487510 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense. < 1324278070 828104 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, quicksort sucks when you're not mutating. < 1324278075 265522 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1324278076 962193 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I wouldn't call it "quicksort" if it didn't mutate. < 1324278085 934236 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1324278095 418983 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea why quicksort is so vastly overrated. < 1324278110 849326 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's because it has "quick" in the name. < 1324278111 25791 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most languages are fine with mutation? < 1324278117 970894 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: When the executioner goes to the cell, he finds out that the prisoner's brains have been replaced by silver money. So now he has no job, but at least he can still get paid by stealing the money. < 1324278121 348964 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: well it does have better constant factors doesn't it? < 1324278130 691137 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Mergesort is preferable even with mutation. < 1324278134 236803 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Citation needed. < 1324278149 118822 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think mergesort can be slightly slower on tiny lists, but that's the most I've heard. < 1324278150 345129 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: does my data structures class count as a source? < 1324278163 290633 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, your university sounds terrible. < 1324278164 142966 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they Lied to me. < 1324278176 18503 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't be worse than mine < 1324278182 388855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/libraries/index.html is where i usually go to look up base code < 1324278213 546607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoogle also gives source links < 1324278223 284011 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: you can Wikipedia as well as I can. < 1324278225 7887 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://hackage.haskell.org/package/base < 1324278226 535651 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get with the program. < 1324278271 577210 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t insertBy < 1324278272 335905 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (a -> a -> Ordering) -> a -> [a] -> [a] < 1324278287 460470 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t insert < 1324278288 257943 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Ord a) => a -> [a] -> [a] < 1324278296 555109 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing insert is... (<) sorted insert? < 1324278307 998835 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> insert 3 [1,2,4,5] < 1324278308 679881 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> insert 42 [1,2,3,4,999] < 1324278308 856090 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4,5] < 1324278309 461334 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4,42,999] < 1324278328 104479 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: You are now graced with my absence. < 1324278377 494437 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\x y -> 1) < 1324278377 711211 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :const (const 1) < 1324278382 976922 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes. < 1324278423 880839 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: How do I get a thing showing which workspace I'm on? Is that part of the dzen2/xmobar/so on so forth clique? < 1324278432 893252 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> insertBy (const (const GT)) 4 [1,6,23,6,4,7,2] < 1324278433 671058 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,6,23,6,4,7,2,4] < 1324278471 866642 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's totally a thing you'd want to do, btw. < 1324278536 994413 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using irssi. I should stop using irssi. < 1324278556 835089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER < 1324278562 796507 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: FreeBSD? Seriously? < 1324278861 119175 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1324279159 673798 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott The server I run my IRC client on runs FreeBSD, yes. < 1324279159 869866 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1324279189 945064 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott "Is that part of the dzen2/xmobar/so on so forth clique?" Yes. < 1324279190 136446 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1324279302 687317 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.230.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324279304 214658 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.230.92 QUIT :Changing host < 1324279304 390610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1324279309 677470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dzen or xmoadbar??? CAST YOUR VOTES. < 1324279309 888862 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1324279320 542139 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: dzen < 1324279325 338386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY. < 1324279325 566499 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vote for taffybar, just to be different. < 1324279335 339582 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort [1000..1] < 1324279335 679947 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I find xmobar strongly distasteful. < 1324279336 137867 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [] < 1324279336 314188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ALREADY KNOW YOU USE DZEN YOU CANNOT FOOL ME FIZZIE. < 1324279340 81724 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh rite < 1324279344 346620 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort [1000,999..1] < 1324279344 536084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK WHY < 1324279345 167128 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28... < 1324279350 675647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sure, but it's not like I should practice what I preach. < 1324279354 991818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I remember is looking at the webpage and going (a) "oh, this seems simple" (b) I wonder why it's using types like that. < 1324279359 89818 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort [10000,999..1] < 1324279359 266212 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also, I used xmonad-inside-GNOME once with gnome-panel. < 1324279359 883159 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [999,10000] < 1324279362 255568 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1324279365 146475 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort [10000,9999..1] < 1324279365 939097 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28... < 1324279376 838381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: fizzie does that, I think. < 1324279380 946189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's ``weird''. < 1324279394 156752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do that, but I've only got indicator-applets and a systray in the gnome-panel. < 1324279399 655094 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Anyway, everything I've seen of xmobar has made me not like it. < 1324279408 135934 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have those dzen panels for workspace indicators and window title, one per monitor. < 1324279408 745127 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including the name -- trying to make itself look "official" and all. < 1324279439 799830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What have you seen that isn't the name? < 1324279446 464803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely recall that gnome-panel's workspace switcher was all strange-looking for this dual-monitor uses-IndependentScreens setup. < 1324279449 914987 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas dzen has many flaws but at least it's simple-ish. < 1324279473 576165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dzen does xft, right? Just checking. < 1324279485 675257 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Some of the code, problems that people have complained about in IRC, the configuration file, a couple of specific modules, and the author talking about it back when the author was around. < 1324279492 481078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does xft, though I think the version that was in Ubuntu 11.04 didn't. < 1324279505 7827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know about 11.10. < 1324279509 379434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Hmm, what such complaints? (What about the author?) < 1324279511 970977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a SERIOUS DECISION. < 1324279514 796922 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There exists a version of dzen that does xft. < 1324279515 486839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta be in possession of ALL THE FACTS. < 1324279518 985151 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Look, this was years ago. < 1324279522 879770 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't run xmonad in more than a year. < 1324279526 655091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xmobar is years old? < 1324279531 211017 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1324279542 719413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, so is the NEW WAVE OF FADDISH TILING WMS. < 1324279547 113315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm old.:/ < 1324279562 632378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the maintainer has a @gnu.org address. < 1324279565 55784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go with dzen. < 1324279567 584429 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You think *you're* old? < 1324279574 752169 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you think *I* feel? < 1324279583 815438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The http://dzen.googlecode.com/svn/trunk version does xft. < 1324279587 704293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Older. < 1324279612 846840 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xmobar was released no later than Jun 2007. < 1324279633 341755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what are dzen's many flaws? < 1324279643 583876 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's limited. < 1324279653 631191 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :People get around this by running multiple instances and arranging them just right. < 1324279660 77915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was mostly considering xmobar because of seeing ezyang's blog post about making it semi-transparent somewhere. < 1324279665 717215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I want a semi-transparent bar thing. < 1324279668 426538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just looked nice. < 1324279671 396855 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also, XFT IS EVIL FIGHT THE ANTIALIASING CONSPIRACY USE ION3 < 1324279673 753908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's, like, a celebrity endorsement. < 1324279686 40401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I am totally immune to tuomov antialiasing jokes! < 1324279688 488571 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Derp. < 1324279703 474889 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION , like, actually *met* ezyang a couple of months ago. < 1324279711 592861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I decided I'd read the entire contents of his blog chronologically before dismissing him as an idiot, and he had too many correct opinions for me to. < 1324279715 908601 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was crazy, man. < 1324279717 633927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even if he is a total asshole.) < 1324279722 39768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not ezyang. < 1324279722 712129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tuomov. < 1324279745 304780 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, tuomov is the celebrity here? < 1324279756 691822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, um, don't think so? < 1324279772 498500 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't sure what's going on anymore. < 1324279773 922581 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He did write Ion, though. < 1324279796 666400 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, nobody said tuomov was an idiot. < 1324279811 408874 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to draw some layout indicators with dzen2 ^r(...)^ro(...)^p(-X;+Y)^r(...) style of mess, but that went nowhere fast. < 1324279815 923711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So do I need to get some third-party patched dzen to get xft? < 1324279824 774572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Certainly; I never implied otherwise. < 1324279832 630828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The http://dzen.googlecode.com/svn/trunk version does xft. < 1324279836 887993 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not third-party. < 1324279840 548972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just "new enough". < 1324279846 322671 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ANTIALIASING IS THE DEVIL. DON'T BE THE DEVIL. DON'T ANTIALIAS. < 1324279847 169093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although "unecological penis enhancement" wrt multiple monitors is a lot funnier to mock than his Xft spiel. < 1324279851 742931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ah. < 1324279871 784659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be one of the devils... er, what was I going to say? Oh yes, that maybe one of the releases do Xft too. < 1324279874 302307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Does 0.8.5 sound new enough? < 1324279886 421636 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324279887 771535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what the Arch has. < 1324279910 949628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, because that's what my work-Ubuntu has too, and it didn't do it. < 1324279928 176147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's apparently the latest actual release. < 1324279930 963185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is -7. Maybe there's a patch. Maybe I'll check. < 1324279938 758662 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google arch dzen xft < 1324279941 365214 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dzen < 1324279946 271727 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg < 1324279955 705613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. :( < 1324279968 834301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As of revision 241 (development), dzen2 has optional support for Xft. To enable Xft, you should build dzen2 with these options: (edit config.mk) < 1324279972 46289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh. < 1324279979 50209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Tell me about taffybar! < 1324279986 641635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, it uses GTK. < 1324279987 526874 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I recommend that you write a status bar TO END ALL STATUS BARS. < 1324279994 728568 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't actually tried it, but I have a quote about it somewhere. < 1324280010 847431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I just want a clock and workspace info! I don't even care about the window title! < 1324280027 28268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : taffy needs more hackers to add more widgets. Is missing some stuff most people want. Still pretty neat though so long as it keepz being developed. < 1324280028 585680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: And maybe a volume indicator. < 1324280036 381663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There; I suppose you'll trust someone who writes "keepz". < 1324280037 43307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You... save quotes that boring? < 1324280041 406585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even HackEgo doesn't save quotes that boring. < 1324280042 280558 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I grepped for it. < 1324280052 284662 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log < 1324280089 3833 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-12-06.txt:13:49:47: The mutable-integer Linux. < 1324280097 711872 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: HackEgo saves *every* quote. < 1324280102 511404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :True dat. < 1324280112 326404 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, that's pretty good. < 1324280115 250968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm going to have to either have a junk window when I play Minecraft, or have a gigantic 800x800 mcmap to get it square. :( < 1324280119 908472 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote The mutable-integer Linux. < 1324280123 113846 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :769) The mutable-integer Linux. < 1324280126 335794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was the "MInt Linux", I think. < 1324280132 312929 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1324280135 695760 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1324280138 129480 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: apparently Data.List is claiming that the foldr (insertBy cmp) [] implementation of sortBy is the "quick sort" algorithm taken from HBC's QSort library. < 1324280153 60891 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I wonder if they're saying that it's actually quicksort or if that's just what they called it for some reason. < 1324280155 334798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Well, it might be quick. But it's not quicksort. < 1324280161 171354 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell B. Curry had a QSort library?! < 1324280163 720738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It isn't quick.) < 1324280172 250871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: *hbc, I think. < 1324280184 521552 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Insertion sort is pretty quick! < 1324280213 74187 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey, don't ask me, I'm just quoting the comment verbatim. < 1324280244 743329 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When humans manually sort something (for example, a deck of playing cards), most use a method that is similar to insertion sort.[1]" -- ooh, I was so sure that'd be a [citation needed] fact. < 1324280256 886437 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's citing Robert Sedgewick, Algorithms, Addison-Wesley 1983 (chapter 8 p. 95). < 1324280277 417522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is an octopus, and so uses parallel sorting algorithms. < 1324280307 619060 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So how would you sort ~2000 books? < 1324280317 223883 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find what's fast for me is not quite so fast for my computer, and vice versa. < 1324280321 488888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 8 at a time. < 1324280338 139630 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: My father and I encountered this problem a while ago. < 1324280351 742788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest not sorting them. < 1324280352 793184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(0). < 1324280390 418072 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also, stop caring about which book you want to read. < 1324280392 698511 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the actual merge sort used in base is actually pretty cool. < 1324280395 151815 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you have O(1) indexing. < 1324280407 392348 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the insertion sort is just used if the USE_REPORT_PRELUDE macro is defined. < 1324280432 311810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I agree. < 1324280442 674065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much faster. < 1324280485 449396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What do you call an accident victim octopus?" "A heptapus." NUMBER PREFIX JOKES < 1324280504 335383 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1324280634 143615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: So what can dzen do that isn't text? < 1324280644 322613 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can do a RECTANGLE. < 1324280648 109805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gosh. < 1324280651 433138 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think it can display bitmaps? < 1324280653 314114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :An outline or a filled one. < 1324280660 67468 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can do bitmaps too if you're a SURRENDER MONKEY. < 1324280660 763655 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And rectangles, too. < 1324280670 661732 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cares about things that isn't text? < 1324280677 192252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably install xmonad-contrib. < 1324280678 466460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also BALLS. < 1324280686 30900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, circles. < 1324280691 165469 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: XMONAD-CONTRIB < 1324280699 26428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Hi. < 1324280713 678951 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1324280727 58498 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm, like, totally a committer to xmonad-contrib. < 1324280729 761461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I mentioned I'm kind of tempted to write an xcb binding for Haskell and port xmonad to it? < 1324280740 281996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Wow, that's, like, several degrees above "monkey" in the global pecking order. < 1324280743 277310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bows. < 1324280750 589268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a committer to @. < 1324280767 313155 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Wow, that's, like, several degrees below "monkey" in the global pecking order. < 1324280779 575984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly! < 1324280781 832347 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, doesn't @ use the @ version control system? < 1324280782 478416 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't there a binding already? I think I saw a mention when reading about xcb "the other day". < 1324280782 877566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I'm bowing. < 1324280794 953944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: There seems to have been one that got lost to the Sands of Time. < 1324280800 112687 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. < 1324280820 286253 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Anyway, if you committed to @, then there must be a repository you committed to. < 1324280828 272704 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I get it? < 1324280829 136265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also its author was talking on the xcb list about how amazing Haskell is for this, since you can just structure every asynchronous operation with unsafeInterleaveIO and the information will only be retrieved from xcb when you forced the result. < 1324280833 405800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, WAYLAND. < 1324280834 207656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I don't think I'd use that one anyway. < 1324280853 369463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No. It only works on @ computers. < 1324280861 926643 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it doesn't work? < 1324280867 815445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can call those "atting machines". < 1324280878 108844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a suspicion that xmonad's extravagant claims of perfect design and stability are accomplished by putting everything useful in the significantly laxer xmonad-contrib. < 1324280883 208457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It works. If you have @. < 1324280896 264777 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would totally contribute to @. < 1324280904 982484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there something I can install to, um, click on my fancy workspace indicators to switch to them? < 1324280913 592018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I'm in Web Browsing Mode(tm) I don't really like moving my hand to the keyboard. < 1324280913 768008 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There does not yet exist a single atting machine. elliott isn't even up to a half-atter yet. < 1324280922 71785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half-otter. < 1324280936 711813 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have clickable workspace indicators, but they're sort of... hand-made. < 1324280949 500320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Handmade howso :P < 1324280963 540665 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: We're just talking in #-blah about how inflexible xmonad's design is. < 1324280979 308885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is? < 1324280984 187948 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1324280987 289101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Howso < 1324281014 748114 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc wanted to write a static tiling and it didn't lend itself to it. < 1324281027 607626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only bad people want static tilings. < 1324281047 623032 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like tuomov? < 1324281060 911830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said he wasn't bad. < 1324281079 614527 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have ^ca(1,echo blah)...^ca() around the indicators, and then that dzen2 runner script which reads from dzen2's stdout and writes suitable events to xmonad to switch; if you do the usual thing of just spawnPipe'ing dzen2 (or something) that's not very worky. < 1324281105 571543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, I saw your dbus stuff. < 1324281111 598836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I explicitly thought, "why is this moron using dbus?". < 1324281114 322641 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Octobus. < 1324281142 793302 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FTP also lends itself well to vomiting unsafeInterleaveIO all over your library. < 1324281146 175234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So can you change the background of some text depending on whether it's the current workspace or not in dzen2? < 1324281152 845030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Broken pipes are the #1 reason for frozen XMonads, I think: http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Frequently_asked_questions#XMonad_is_frozen.21 < 1324281175 974784 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you want click-to-switch-to-arbitrary-workspace, you might need to install a smarter panel. < 1324281176 653399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: In fairness I think the xcb thing would make the requests as soon as the action happens, and just only request the response from the xcb server when you forced it. < 1324281183 223498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly you can change the background of text. < 1324281185 331142 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Any EWM-compliant workspace switcher would do. < 1324281187 874929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem being that you could still send off requests to do things before previous ones finish. < 1324281201 410077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Does the background stretch all the way to the top and bottom of the panel? < 1324281204 840873 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: This is the announcement of xmobar: http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/xmonad/2007-June/001042.html < 1324281208 731372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It does. < 1324281215 583788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't really want a smarter panel, though; I spent a few million years trying to find a good panel and never did. < 1324281218 647576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yay. < 1324281224 496525 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that sounds exactly like ftphs < 1324281227 96533 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: gnome-panel works just fine. < 1324281260 692624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That mail isn't *that* bad. Also that guy doesn't seem to maintain it anymore, but whatever. < 1324281265 394839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, except FTP is a synchronous protocol. < 1324281275 198014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: And gnome-panel does not just "work fine". < 1324281276 779901 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm undecided whether to just make ftphs strict, or to have lazy functions but the results get forced when the next ftp thing is called. I think I'll have functions like the latter, except marked as lazy < 1324281282 319545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, gnome3-panel certainly doesn't. < 1324281295 442202 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm not actually that undecided < 1324281302 922519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: getDirectory :: String -> IO (IO (Maybe FileEntry)) < 1324281304 737123 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, it's not that mail. I haven't seen it before, I think. < 1324281321 667739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :getAll :: IO (Maybe a) -> IO [a] < 1324281346 202457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :getAll m = x >>= maybe (return []) (\x' -> (x':) <$> getAll m) < 1324281350 569143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something. < 1324281383 641707 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was planning on having the FTP connection store an IORef () < 1324281394 620694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What was taht border thing you mentioned? < 1324281396 566930 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although maybe IORef (IO ()) won't make me feel weird < 1324281406 327596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What use is an IORef ()? < 1324281417 509679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, IORefs can contain unevaluated values. < 1324281427 602519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Just rip out the unsafeInterleaveIO. Or don't, because it's a waste of time since nobody uses FTP. < 1324281434 575544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write ftp-enumerator or whatever. < 1324281470 581487 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm going to disable the unsafeInterleaveIO except for the marked lazy functions < 1324281481 508821 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there will be no lazy functions without a strict alternative < 1324281496 744049 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-012-085.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1324281502 1049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: There is no point retaining a broken interface. < 1324281517 554477 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The laziness might be useful to someone grabbing a large file < 1324281558 228312 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it wouldn't be backwards compatible anyway: The lazy functions are getting lazy in front of their names < 1324281576 450617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's what iteratees are for. If you're going to waste time on FTP at least go all the way. < 1324281582 30025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Thus Write ftp-enumerator or whatever.) < 1324281611 100402 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: SmartBorders? < 1324281637 571384 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should be sleeping < 1324281665 490837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, thanks. < 1324281674 105078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Not in xmonad-contrib? < 1324281710 301502 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is in xmonad contrib. < 1324281724 573834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: /SmartBorders/ on the Hackage page returns nothing. < 1324281781 723024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: https://sites.google.com/site/gotmor/dzen Well, the official site advertises "optional xft support"; would be strange if it weren't in the stable release... < 1324281860 132978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, < 1324281860 309621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congratulations -- you are one of the top new Stack Overflow users for the week of Dec 12 2011! < 1324281863 164830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackexchange.com/leagues/week/stackoverflow/2011-12-12 < 1324281865 643409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's users like you who make the Stack Overflow community worth visiting in the first place. < 1324281868 758084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awwww, how sweet. < 1324281869 436335 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you want me to run (ack-)grep for you? OK. :-) < 1324281870 344618 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Layout/NoBorders.hs < 1324281881 613246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "ack-grep" is my favourite binary name ever. < 1324281920 347058 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have ln -s ack ack-grep < 1324282090 781113 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1324282112 681218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, Alt is not a very good prefix for an emacs user. < 1324282144 78322 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You're using Alt as your modkey? < 1324282145 828873 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you crazy? < 1324282150 102112 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mod4 immediately. < 1324282154 498775 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: htkallas@pc112:~/inst/dzen2-0.8.5$ grep -i xft * # no matches < 1324282180 460012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SVN version has it as an uncommentable thing in config.mk. < 1324282209 458279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Which one is mod4? < 1324282217 437964 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Windows" key. < 1324282217 904308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Fair enough. < 1324282229 110437 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they have "Windows" keys in the UK? < 1324282230 463467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Not an option, my sole windows key is badly-placed. < 1324282242 110352 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fine, bind it to caps-lock. < 1324282242 292336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alt Gr is what I'm leaning towards, but I don't know what its number is. < 1324282244 252068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: They don't even have "doors" in the UK, that's how poor they are. < 1324282245 490691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck no. < 1324282252 839083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Says the Finn. < 1324282258 216377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did they ever manage to get vodka doors working? < 1324282288 208737 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, fizzie is Finnish. < 1324282293 798559 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What's a good way to learn Finnish? < 1324282335 718371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being born here and then learning from people around you` < 1324282339 844459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/`/?/ < 1324282352 821313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I trailing-spaced a `. < 1324282354 155016 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, I was thinking you'd say something along those lines. < 1324282364 691566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the only way I really have experience of. < 1324282398 85159 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's apparently an unpopular language to learn. < 1324282427 210395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: tswett knows more Finnish than the Finns. < 1324282431 489877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not an accurate statement.) < 1324282457 676425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You should try and get drafted and learn the language on the job. < 1324282468 291919 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What's being drafted like? < 1324282495 496662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drafty. < 1324282587 579379 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should institute a policy of not answer questions that can be answered with a few seconds and the Google. < 1324282628 880497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that's draft as in compulsory military service, I did that the lazy-bum way; but from what I hear from others, it makes men out of boys. Or so they claim. < 1324282630 215101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not answer? < 1324282662 695992 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That sounds vaguely homoerotic. < 1324282671 829247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1324282693 382042 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What's that way? < 1324282902 852902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the "civil service" way. Basically you just find a place from a qualifying organization (non-profit, or part of the public sector, or whatever) and then do some sort of a job for a year with very low pay (but paid meals + rent). E.g. I did fiddle around with PageMaker for this place where they train prison guards (they also do books and such about it), and quite a lot of people just sysadmin at their university or whatnot. < 1324282955 66052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and there's a one-month training thing, which from what I recall was mostly about sauna and sausages. < 1324282974 452111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose there were some lectures too. < 1324283010 895166 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Nakki? < 1324283044 600854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the diminutive form of sausage. < 1324283061 605120 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. It's not a specific kind? < 1324283103 835496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, depending on how specific "specific" means. It's the small(er) kind. < 1324283113 622926 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you know what's weird? Windows programmers. < 1324283131 188165 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The "real" way to learn Finnish is to learn Japanese and get some brain damage. :P < 1324283150 502050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: dzen2 is reasonable with CPU usage and the like, right? This is CLEARLY WORTH WORRYING ABOUT. < 1324283153 594449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ++ < 1324283167 458613 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I haven't noticed it running, if that's what you mean. < 1324283207 52858 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the moment, it seems to be using 1.2 megabytes of resident memory, and 0.0 percent of CPU time. < 1324283223 386053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So which modNMask is alt grrrr? < 1324283226 370913 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What? < 1324283263 420601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can 'xev' for that stuff. Strange configurations may need some xmodmapping. < 1324283266 231381 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: xev + xmodmap < 1324283272 935354 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Snark about how Finnish and Japanese coincidentally have very vague, superficial similarities in how they sound. < 1324283275 646523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"XMonad's defaults with multiple monitors may seem confusing and chaotic until explained and illustrated." < 1324283287 888684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here according to xev it produces ISO_Level3_Shift, which seems to be mod5 according to xmodmap. < 1324283289 959246 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: They do? They've always sounded completely different to me. < 1324283303 967491 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1324283317 781261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, xev gives me "Alt_L" and the like. Although I guess maybe xmodmap has some kind of query mode? < 1324283322 722022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's what you just implied. < 1324283330 205340 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Are you sure you even have AltGr enabled? < 1324283331 630059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :'xmodmap' without arguments prints the modifier mapping. < 1324283341 437981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's what the key is labelled./ < 1324283348 9019 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: In the default layout I usually get in X11 the right Alt key is just mapped to Alt. < 1324283353 997925 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always have to enable it myself. < 1324283357 834904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mod1 Alt_L (0x40), Alt_R (0x6c), Meta_L (0xcd) < 1324283364 863962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's stupid. :( < 1324283390 216231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish layouts always "enable" AltGr, but that's because we use it for all kinds of characters, like all of @${[]}\|. < 1324283405 191499 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I suppose you could xmodmap Alt_L out of mod1 into mod5. < 1324283413 703533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the Approved(tm) thing to do that? < 1324283416 392545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Alt_R. Or whichever it is. < 1324283419 443426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to avoid remembering things about X. < 1324283476 185131 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :xmodmap -e 'remove mod1 = Alt_R' -e 'add mod5 = Alt_R' # untested < 1324283480 678906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it does multiple -e. < 1324283502 958509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there a thing to load from a file? < 1324283526 518215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/.Xmodmap is the common file for it. < 1324283536 216919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be it's autoloaded by the X startup scripts by default. < 1324283575 29064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I don't know about common, but it's what I seem to have had back when I needed some "keycode N = keysym" remappings for weird keys. < 1324283585 13879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the default layoutHook? SO DIFFICULT :'( < 1324283595 467502 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: "layoutHook defaultLayout" < 1324283603 528970 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's right, lambdabot. < 1324283607 538169 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you know. < 1324283609 571502 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid bot. < 1324283612 79694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I want to inline it to modify it. :p < 1324283628 473698 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just look at Config.hs, then. < 1324283649 297946 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Or at the Template Config on the Wiki. < 1324283680 377122 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :layout = tiled ||| Mirror tiled ||| Full where tiled = Tall nmaster delta ratio; nmaster = 1; ratio = 1/2; delta = 3/100 < 1324283739 896968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that's rather involved. < 1324283755 704422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders WTF delta is. < 1324283766 584522 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The amount it shifts by when you resize it, I think. < 1324283784 767986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether ratio is the size of the master or the size of the secondary. < 1324284060 233158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Where do I go to see errors if mod-q fails silently? :( < 1324284218 779698 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Install xmessage. < 1324284233 978343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ha, seriously? < 1324284234 154477 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Alternatively, redirect errors into ~/.xmonad-errors from whatever is starting xmonad. < 1324284250 346428 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, that's how it used to be a while ago. < 1324284270 321309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how it doesn't float the xmessage. :/ < 1324284326 217999 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to float your xmessages, you gotta do it yourself, dawg. < 1324284400 828319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xmonad-contrib is too big. < 1324284436 293402 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1324284439 213772 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's full of junk. < 1324284492 341859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: So what do you use these days? < 1324284502 494246 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Metacity. < 1324284508 98723 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never bothered to change it. < 1324284531 372338 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's, like, who cares, man, you know what I'm sayin'? < 1324284551 714681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Have fun when your distro gets round to GNOME 3. < 1324284572 944644 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's why I'm not upgrading. < 1324284578 88861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At all? < 1324284589 209325 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, from Ubuntu 11.04. < 1324284597 473539 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started using Ubuntu for a silly reason anyway. < 1324284604 235398 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only liked it less over the years. < 1324284610 911019 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably install Arch or something rather than upgrade Ubuntu. < 1324284712 114668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the silly reason? My reason for switching to Arch was that it had GHC 7. < 1324284741 618454 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My father was using it and wanted me to fix all his problems by encountering them myself first. < 1324284745 388614 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something along those lines. < 1324284747 760414 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't really care. < 1324284929 932227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so glad xmonad-contrib ahas < 1324284936 45676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so glad xmonad-contrib has David Roundy's configuration. < 1324284945 662918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one thing I want out of my utility module is the ability to be a real physicist. < 1324284949 519557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*package < 1324284966 400748 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :droundy doesn't use xmonad anymore. < 1324284974 116444 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he forked the repository or something like that. < 1324285042 604034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't he also eschew cabal? < 1324285044 358715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange guy. < 1324285134 963793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1324285295 859843 :amca!~amca@CPE-121-208-82-128.cqzr1.cha.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1324285658 238027 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-59.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324285680 439863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1324285702 460670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, xmonad fails quite massively at floating XChat's preference windows. < 1324285737 466935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do float for me. < 1324285743 508560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, but try selecting a font. < 1324285764 629196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I need to install a GTK theme so that this doesn't look like complete crap. < 1324285768 503143 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the font-select-o-tron indeed doesn't. < 1324285789 872050 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-59.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's Gunnerkrigg Court is SO GOOD < 1324285807 489595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't suppose you have anything for feeding libnotify type things into a dzen? < 1324285814 341163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can cook something up myself, but it'd be nice if it already existed. < 1324285820 254864 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1324285865 61655 :tuubow!~adityavit@c-69-136-107-140.hsd1.nj.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324285889 155731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Client Quit < 1324285912 761567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1324285914 522950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Client Quit < 1324286004 680249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1324286014 502282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, not only do I need a GTK theme, I need a dmenu-or-equivalent. < 1324286018 746278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What do y'allz use?) < 1324286024 766900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you all gentlepeople < 1324286033 841185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Thanks for smartBorders btw < 1324286042 4697 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You're welcome. < 1324286049 141101 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't write it or anything. < 1324286050 665377 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use dmenu < 1324286057 677202 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'll take the credit. < 1324286064 758906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : className =? "Putty" --> doFloat, < 1324286067 181190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You use _putty_? < 1324286070 631008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :On _Linux_? < 1324286071 467425 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: By the way, you're going to want URGENCY hooks eventually. < 1324286076 647991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What do they do? < 1324286090 523652 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So that when a window beeps, the workspace colour in your dzen changes. < 1324286097 881148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: With a billion patches, no doubt!!!!!! (I can't really run something that uses bitmap fonts, I just can't.) < 1324286103 513513 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"beep" being the thing that makes the taskbar item flash, or whatever it is. < 1324286115 422616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But everything that beeps in a way I care about also sends libnotify events. < 1324286123 649246 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I hardly ever /look/ at it. < 1324286125 520204 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought you used irssi. < 1324286129 66502 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not. < 1324286130 578418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did until ~5 seconds ago. < 1324286136 989516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And until ~a few hours before that. < 1324286143 612310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I needed something that worked from the console. < 1324286152 436719 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, you should use irssi for ever. < 1324286165 685280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: For nethack.alt.org; there was something Putty's CP437 did better than using konwert-to-utf8, can't recall what. < 1324286174 845531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm an IBMgraphics sort of a person.) < 1324286179 514059 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CP437! < 1324286190 497007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I tried being an IBMgraphics sort of person, but the self-loathing held me back. < 1324286218 158565 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DECgraphics SSSSZ lyfe < 1324286224 426921 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the half-integral fountains! < 1324286244 697989 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well... Yes. < 1324286256 80716 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has never ever gotten IBMgraphics working under Linux. < 1324286262 599285 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except with DOS(emu|box), I guess. < 1324286264 134612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :konwert does it quite well. < 1324286267 590508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of. < 1324286269 595818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda. < 1324286278 504082 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the future is neither-DEC-nor-IBMgraphics. < 1324286279 840467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: When reading, I found a VERY EXCITING THING. < 1324286285 747676 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real NetHack players use plain old plain. < 1324286291 176092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Did you know that you can tell OpenJDK you're using a non-reparenting window manager directly these days? < 1324286292 196194 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1324286294 753485 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, people who want to use Interhack.) < 1324286297 330481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to pretend to be looking-glass 3D. < 1324286320 376669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, I did know that; sadly, I need to pretend at work because Matlab uses its bundled-in ass-old JDK. < 1324286323 21420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did you know DeathOnAStick doesn't use any graphics or colour or anything? < 1324286330 193051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the fancy walk command thing. < 1324286336 637994 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I did. < 1324286344 303470 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colour is overrated. < 1324286348 652845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION knows this because he watched the end of their successful second attempt at insanity. < 1324286358 581603 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By everyone except DeathOnAStick. Colour is underrated by DeathOnAStick. < 1324286365 219745 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, DOAS succeeded? < 1324286367 399131 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did that happen? < 1324286373 316627 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the gem-polymorpher, right? < 1324286376 264539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. < 1324286380 776273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was, like, a year ago by now? < 1324286388 425452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just appeared again and #nethack was like "ooooooooh". < 1324286389 321002 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to recall what DOAS was trying to do. < 1324286399 270522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then about ten hours passed and then people went "WOW THEY DID IT" < 1324286413 714061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/DeathOnAStick < 1324286429 737573 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-59.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's Misfile is pretty good too < 1324286444 311790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Rec/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/2005-11/msg01798.html < 1324286474 683883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Also, I reject the theory that he's < 1324286474 861322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :making a picture -- he doesn't use color." < 1324286476 208449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEORIES! < 1324286576 367628 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :r.g.r.n < 1324286583 286538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What's THE BEST GTK THEME? < 1324286592 848519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Player DeathOnAStick < 1324286593 63407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is not playing. < 1324286593 63506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :has a save file, dated Wed, 30 Nov 2011, 04:03:20 < 1324286598 843740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what they're doing this tmie. < 1324286599 751329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :time. < 1324286605 735301 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: REDMOND < 1324286610 404742 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, is that a Qt theme? < 1324286611 860756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they're filling the entire game with pudding. < 1324286621 999576 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: REDMOND + GTK QT ENGINE < 1324286628 434546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's gtk. < 1324286631 488901 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I used to use Gtk Qt Engine. < 1324286637 726643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION too. < 1324286641 959380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back when KDE sucked in different ways. < 1324286654 674617 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also used to use Redmond. < 1324286658 372707 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In KDE. < 1324286659 711868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why. < 1324286663 612786 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because. < 1324286669 182522 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the students in my data structures class mentioned zippers once. SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HASKELL ERHAPS? < 1324286669 665348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why. < 1324286677 935459 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft is very good at designing window decorations. < 1324286681 443910 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was. < 1324286686 614457 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back in the Windows 2000 days. < 1324286689 909349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: HIGH CONTRAST LARGE PRINT INVERSE. < 1324286690 321873 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, those were the days. < 1324286718 487369 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How many of the students in *your* data structures class mentioned zippers once? Eh? < 1324286729 660436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ;__; < 1324286736 339198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Purple! < 1324286779 303779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish Mod-q let you know when it was done. < 1324286798 977197 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It does. < 1324286804 700398 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The borders flash, or something. < 1324286818 332400 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Your Amazon.com order of "Chicago" has shipped!» < 1324286818 656981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No they don't. < 1324286821 654188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dzen2-xft-xpm-xinerama-svn 271-1 < 1324286823 388247 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Mine do. < 1324286825 461283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a horrid package name. < 1324286827 511958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: *did < 1324286846 260244 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did I order that? < 1324286884 775374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, all these fancy-schmancy "status bar"/"panel" things really need to be is something that starts a bunch of commands, with specified width and order, as X subwindow things. < 1324286902 616465 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That sounds so simple. < 1324286905 375488 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WRITE IT < 1324286909 874170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO TEMPTED. < 1324286933 680172 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GIVE IN TO THE NIH SIDE < 1324286954 936434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could even just use xclock(1) as the clock widget. < 1324286984 131758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... you'd need some kind of trick to reparent it, since it doesn't take a window ID. < 1324286996 460593 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1324287099 861374 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1324287174 267060 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What if you had, like, a window manager INSIDE A WINDOW MANAGER?!?! < 1324287183 933076 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :W I N D O W M A N A G E R C E P T I O N < 1324287184 452404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you can just use XReparentWindow. < 1324287195 19593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X is so lawless. < 1324287196 66262 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This comment brought to you by: Reddit.) < 1324287389 212781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You're so mean. < 1324287449 245464 :tuubow!~adityavit@c-69-136-107-140.hsd1.nj.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324287603 778645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Can you find out what GTK theme fizzie uses so I can not use it? < 1324287730 497025 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use whatever's the Ubnuttu-gnome default. < 1324287749 419004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So weird. < 1324287753 750775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What's the best GTK theme? < 1324287980 258701 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: human nature < 1324287994 276761 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most insightful theme of all. < 1324288002 258498 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I told you, GTK Qt engine. < 1324288006 580378 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats a theme < 1324288011 483477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Second-best??? < 1324288013 8687 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: This reduces the question to "what's the best Qt theme". < 1324288016 571689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: EHWATHS HTEIH EBST IIOJGIOTJK THEME < 1324288019 700793 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The best Qt theme is "Qt GTK Engine" < 1324288024 831286 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i dont theme.....................oopS? < 1324288063 371208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I wonder what happens if you do that. < 1324288068 931795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You use... Raleigh? < 1324288070 336189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1324288082 243174 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: theme hipster < 1324288103 212318 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats raleigh is it that miserable default < 1324288104 709197 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then yeah < 1324288116 477409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: How. < 1324288121 444521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: How do yo sleep. < 1324288123 450912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you breathe. < 1324288134 709948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you turn into an aardvark and devour the children of the night. < 1324288141 444088 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the magic of apathy < 1324288161 111598 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Clearlooks. < 1324288164 892185 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearlooks is the future. < 1324288195 172147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The future that doesn't actually work on GTK 3? :-) < 1324288273 681797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey pikhq, it's that time of year when I ask you for Grey Mist again. < 1324288306 332726 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like GRAY MIST < 1324288331 330885 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1324288336 841237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: More like GAY MIST. < 1324288353 94187 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like YOUR FIST. < 1324288359 446226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verily. < 1324288367 680866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :God I hope that guy gives the bounty today, I want a day off. < 1324288375 29571 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1324288380 895455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stack Overflow! It's my JOB now. < 1324288384 321812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It pays me in imaginary internet points. < 1324288387 749425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION $$$ < 1324288394 488759 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bounty will only makes you work harder, elliott. < 1324288405 114796 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hey, did you ever play Diablo II? < 1324288406 469554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've already worked for it, he just hasn't given it to me yet. < 1324288413 121904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no; should I? < 1324288425 3985 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea if you should. < 1324288430 753482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1324288436 923365 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you do, want a bunch of free items in -- USWest Ladder? < 1324288439 136026 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's a no. < 1324288441 560712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally. < 1324288478 328440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With smartBorders, switching from a borderless workspace to a borderful one draws it without borders for a split second before adding them. :( < 1324288485 227041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can tell because the XChat window seems to jitter slightly. < 1324288497 574526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diablo II: Septic Bardiche of of Blight. < 1324288502 137522 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCRAP EVERYTHING, WRITE @ < 1324288533 879955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason always when I see an item called "Septic Anything" I re-assemble that as "Anything of Septic Tank Repair" in my head. < 1324288561 22518 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Diablo II got the formula of using a randomly-scheduled rewards to encourage you to do things that aren't even fun very well. < 1324288563 257581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie! Buy a Septic Tank from me. < 1324288614 101379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You can't allegorise my Stack Overflow addiction, I'm both completely aware of it and don't care in the slightest because being manipulated to help people with Creative Commons-licensed answers is like one of the least evil forms of manipulation ever. < 1324288638 39564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like an MMORPG where the goal is to be really nice. < 1324288650 685055 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, no, Iwasn't allegoriszsing. < 1324288661 129952 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just reminded me. < 1324288666 211104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allegoriszsing is the best thing to do. < 1324288668 442520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks kinda German. < 1324288692 847419 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In German, 'z' is pronounced 'tz' and 's' is pronounced 'z'. < 1324288707 402305 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ztzz < 1324288722 990964 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tzttztz < 1324288830 3955 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (>>= (\x -> case x of 'z' -> "tz"; 's' -> "z"; y -> [x])) "szs" < 1324288830 796865 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["szs","ztzz","tzttztz","ttztttzttz","tttzttttztttz","ttttztttttzttttz","tt... < 1324288838 418638 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (>>= (\x -> case x of 'z' -> "tz"; 's' -> "z"; y -> [x])) "szs" < 1324288839 174424 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[GHC.Types.Char] -> t' < 1324288839 351279 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferr... < 1324288841 553818 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Consultants < 1324288846 593872 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you should list yourself here. < 1324288861 497480 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is a consultant? :-( < 1324288865 177554 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :alongside Conal Elliott. < 1324288878 790203 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though he's in north america < 1324288922 185577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also in Diablo II you can collect 14281868906496 El runes and upgrade them to a single Zod rune, though you also need 362799102 assorted gems. (Disclaimer: might have calculated wrong here, but it's something of that order of magnitude.) < 1324288931 418606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No. < 1324288935 987018 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes! < 1324288940 264396 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good old runes. < 1324288952 687827 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm pretty sure Jah or Ber is worth more than Zod in the trading circles these days. < 1324288960 27971 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you play online. < 1324288966 155427 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure they almost always have been < 1324288968 507685 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diablo II is pretty much a trading game nowadays. < 1324288989 619759 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an awful lot of runes, assorted gems < 1324288991 92668 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an incredibly inefficient market, of course. :-) < 1324289005 401603 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Fortunately for you, you can cube gems into other gems. < 1324289025 944708 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you want to start from chipped gems, you actually need way more than 362799102 < 1324289070 18091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an awful lot of runes also because odds are you can actually find a Zod after collecting just 144238 El. < 1324289083 950419 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What, in A1 Normal? < 1324289090 591426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not *there*, that's true. < 1324289100 448334 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there you go. < 1324289113 237556 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also won't find any flawless gems in A1 normal. < 1324289121 122445 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, you will find quite a lot of gem shrines, so that helps. < 1324289140 82780 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION JahIthBer < 1324289145 905950 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is diablo all about big numbers and funny names then < 1324289171 516520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You only need 81 chipped gems for a flawless gem, though. < 1324289190 603682 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no < 1324289190 782776 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it 27? < 1324289209 298488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right; I mean, for a perfect gem. < 1324289213 509623 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: just big numbers? < 1324289231 657698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you don't need perfect for rune-upgrade. < 1324289252 123318 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you actually still play the game? < 1324289256 290579 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it's about pressing buttons to strategically alter the state of a system so that it produces favorable conditions. < 1324289273 948019 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: big numbers and lots of buttons < 1324289280 668521 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the buttons big too < 1324289284 164012 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1324289293 878705 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, depends on your scale. < 1324289298 657323 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're larger than your fingertips. < 1324289307 636106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: fizzie has a mental encyclopedia. < 1324289316 634185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call it a mentyclopedia for short. (Not true.) < 1324289339 9326 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, after collecting those 14 trillion El runes you can then socket it into the Ethereal Sash of Suckiness. < 1324289343 993953 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude my sense of time is so fucked up lately. < 1324289346 400077 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, earlier I was going to say: Bye, elliott. belliott. < 1324289361 21865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You should change your name so it portmanteaus correctly. < 1324289362 818452 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll look at the clock, get distracted by something, and then look back and see that it's an hour later. < 1324289368 729202 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it sounds like "belly". As in "belly of the beast" < 1324289377 95602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I could execute superior portmanoeuvres. < 1324289377 617198 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You can't socket sashes! < 1324289390 131671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was sort-of thinking that might be the case. :/ < 1324289393 39771 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott++ # portmanoeuvres < 1324289402 365480 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: When was the last time you played? < 1324289408 35 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do any greetings/goodbyetings end in sh < 1324289409 648756 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sha < 1324289412 535079 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or shach < 1324289415 399108 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or shacha < 1324289416 317182 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or shachaf < 1324289421 777359 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ethereal cracked sash, use the socket quest to get a socket in it so you can zod it < 1324289432 665194 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ...You can't socket sashes. < 1324289437 270677 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shh < 1324289438 862767 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think runes kind of broke D2 < 1324289440 551046 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only shields, helms, armor, and weapons. < 1324289452 184196 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're spoiling the joke. < 1324289469 716527 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get the joke. < 1324289476 190036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm not really playing it, and I never really played it "for reals"; I just did my single single-player normal-difficulty LoD playthrough on battle.net, and consequently read a bit about how it's really meant to be played by Real Men. < 1324289477 895550 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this the "say something that's wrong" joke? < 1324289485 255534 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love that joke < 1324289486 391752 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no < 1324289494 441495 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have that (c) < 1324289505 11299 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Wait, how is it really meant to be played by Real Humanoids? < 1324289505 567184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :To understand what all those "NNN Stones of Jordan sold" messages meant. < 1324289529 128157 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Did you ever do the Ãœbers? < 1324289538 859527 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti legendary humourist, renowned for his impeccable to say things that are wrong < 1324289546 897484 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1324289550 413041 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti legendary humourist, renowned for his impeccable ability to say things that are wrong < 1324289559 622781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly not. I could barely manage to slog through the game itself. < 1324289570 798269 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Did you go all the way through to Hell? < 1324289573 544820 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, just Normal. < 1324289577 105821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1324289581 844824 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never did the übers, most of my high-enough-level characters were before them and when they did appear I couldn't be bothered to run for the keys and whatnot < 1324289600 67441 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even *I* did Nightmare in single-player. < 1324289600 602888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's slightly funny that Stone of Jordan is called an "unique" item. < 1324289608 731040 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, half LAN half single-player.) < 1324289617 137459 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You can trade for keys pretty easily. < 1324289623 655282 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never traded for anything. < 1324289633 875460 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that makes things a bit more difficult. :-) < 1324289642 733272 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, smiters can do the Ãœbers very easily. < 1324289649 414693 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop talking about D2 and talk about SC2 instead so I can make insightful comments. < 1324289663 518445 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1324289671 142398 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll talk about RA2, though. < 1324289673 868181 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that they're /removing/ the carrier from the next expansion? < 1324289687 813453 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How 'bout them Kirovs? < 1324289690 791051 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the thing that does the thing < 1324289695 109120 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite it being like a starcraft classic. < 1324289711 245033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the character build names are ridiculous. "Hammerdin." "Javazon." < 1324289718 255923 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it's a big yellow alien ship that spits out smaller little robotic alien ships that shoot things with blue lasers. < 1324289721 599164 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, yes. < 1324289722 223495 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes those things < 1324289737 905482 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you could mass up a few of them and unleash giant swarms of blue lasers on everything. < 1324289739 257781 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: On the other hand, what would you call them? < 1324289746 9809 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you had to press the button to make them do the thing right < 1324289750 756188 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh, the button < 1324289753 577335 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: except in sc2 they made carriers more or less the least effective protoss air unit. < 1324289765 233542 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cries < 1324289771 175574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Paladin specializing in the Blessed Hammer skill as his core competency", of course. < 1324289788 705660 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could they < 1324289805 471795 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's no big deal it's probably a good idea unless they can make the carrier viable again. < 1324289818 302994 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're making this new air unit that shoots like big blue shocky orbs. < 1324289825 295712 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why didn't you do the multiplayer thing? < 1324289834 143216 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the big blue shocky orbs fly around and shoot more shocky orbs < 1324289838 484281 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no < 1324289841 561791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That would involve other people. < 1324289846 930131 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what will fill the void in my heart < 1324289861 700620 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I'm not really sure why they're giving protoss air units more anti-air-ness. They should improve the air-to-ground. < 1324289866 421310 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: by, say, improving carriers. < 1324289872 717552 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: void rays. < 1324289887 319695 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds stylish < 1324289887 503439 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they shoot blue lasers. < 1324289896 270267 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :void lasers? < 1324289901 418454 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, yes. < 1324289903 656392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just played on battle.net in a game called "befunge" with a password of some randomly chosen name of a befunge example program from catseye. :p < 1324289906 62754 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant < 1324289908 213897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how this superficially resembles an equal two-party conversation. < 1324289919 424799 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: was it a single-player game? :P < 1324289935 448120 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Right. < 1324289936 460519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Online single player? < 1324289938 390952 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh? it does? < 1324289940 312474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Right. < 1324289945 456539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is this what being old feels like? < 1324289956 748676 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes. ;_; < 1324289964 208644 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You know what being old feels like. < 1324290008 567767 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1324290046 424156 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: also they're continuing to give terran more ridiculous shit as always. < 1324290053 706007 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good good < 1324290086 639195 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as giving their little flame-thrower-equipped land rover things the ability to become TRANSFORMERS < 1324290092 618890 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the zirg? < 1324290094 32232 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :terran is like transformers: the race < 1324290102 342663 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's actually just people < 1324290105 903750 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with things that transform. < 1324290112 201740 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough < 1324290114 871037 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_hellion < 1324290181 803891 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, those wheels are not in good rover places < 1324290233 899630 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how changing into a walker suddenly makes them more powerful and heavier armored. < 1324290254 394640 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it < 1324290266 624876 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1324290321 864860 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds likeable indeed < 1324290378 22383 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-203-138.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1324290406 649285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1324290519 199913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1324290604 528202 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-230-58.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1324290953 967855 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324291021 607930 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1324291146 155247 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1324291854 29798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet the fizzie uses the damnu too. < 1324292435 784432 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-59.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1324292554 76737 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there software that is actually called damnu < 1324293037 396446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Doubt it < 1324293053 190491 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shame < 1324293274 634953 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1324293279 524295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: But if I write a menu... < 1324293382 929760 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324293437 234053 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1324293457 357331 :amca!~amca@CPE-121-208-82-128.cqzr1.cha.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Quit: Farewell < 1324293536 687377 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But why would you write a menu application ais523 can't use? < 1324293596 255063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: REVENGE. < 1324293602 877747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, you're damning the program and/or system, not yourself. < 1324293611 55563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ damnu < 1324294023 711000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, fizzie has done that thing where he doesn't deny my allegations, so I'll assume they're true. < 1324294574 617057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To-day feels like a day for either writing menus or something or writing Markov code. < 1324294579 81576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Remember my adventures with Markov code? < 1324294705 232306 :tuubow!~adityavit@c-69-136-107-140.hsd1.nj.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324295524 331419 :Jafet1!~Jafet@60-242-81-155.tpgi.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1324295530 299734 :Jafet1!~Jafet@60-242-81-155.tpgi.com.au QUIT :Changing host < 1324295530 482282 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1324295625 237593 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324296611 882071 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1324296754 388351 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324296938 462309 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1324297144 362062 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1324298042 287085 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1324298110 923679 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1324298145 503910 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C930.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324298258 482595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, terminal default colours are so bad < 1324298275 857418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is impossible to select a background for which the default rxvt blue and yellow colours are both legible on < 1324298307 731729 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just change the blues < 1324298313 714192 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And use black < 1324298316 827939 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :As the background < 1324298616 565809 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324298625 321378 :shachaf_!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324298660 537844 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-230-58.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1324298731 699664 :Zetro_!~Zetro@zetro.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1324298821 490657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1324298821 668575 :comex!~comex@ec2-50-19-141-233.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1324298822 499792 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1324298822 856856 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1324298823 395028 :FireFly!firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1324298827 69519 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.230.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324298833 424919 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.230.92 QUIT :Changing host < 1324298833 606192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1324298839 555750 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-230-58.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324298839 732591 :Zetro!~Zetro@zetro.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324298839 732745 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324298840 268066 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324298840 566103 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324298841 615492 :Zetro_!~Zetro@zetro.xen.prgmr.com NICK :Zetro < 1324298841 793319 :SimonRC_!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1324298857 646929 :kallisti!~eris@h139.33.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324298857 823261 :kallisti!~eris@h139.33.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1324298857 823431 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1324298892 21974 :comex`!~comex@ec2-50-19-141-233.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1324298954 75466 :FireFly!firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1324299072 376423 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324299382 35964 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1324299983 369911 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1324300584 948864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I just change the blues < 1324300585 173505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : And use black < 1324300585 353578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : As the background < 1324300592 712764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: So, ~20% of the total colours < 1324300608 816781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, actually more like 10% < 1324300616 430859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming you count regular and intense as separate < 1324300685 148508 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I change those two < 1324300705 370833 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I find it satisfactory < 1324300708 626346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three < 1324300711 606228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blue 1, blue 2, black < 1324300715 814250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "background" < 1324300735 55919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really what I want is a coherent theme like zenburn, but less ugly < 1324300763 437312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something #111-#333ish as the background, off-white as foreground, and pleasant non-completely-saturated choices for the rest < 1324300770 57445 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just set the dark theme somehow I think < 1324300771 289667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know where to find such a thing with a decent number of ports. < 1324301593 312786 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C930.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1324303159 314821 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324304434 682572 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-59.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324304451 832006 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-59.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1324304455 954056 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-59.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1324304464 245100 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-59.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1324304639 767343 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-59.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324304675 988960 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-59.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1324304742 671190 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-59.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324305166 25326 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :urxvt.background: #000000 < 1324305166 247492 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :urxvt.foreground: #ffffff < 1324305169 402563 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :urxvt.color4: #0040ff < 1324305169 587295 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :urxvt.color12: #5c5cff < 1324305273 874765 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-59.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1324305348 868653 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1324305367 412542 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324305402 160287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I think I am rather unlikely to reach my target for today unless that bounty is given. < 1324305505 751095 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-59.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1324305505 977574 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1324305511 231672 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-59.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not good < 1324305527 121503 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324305870 2554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: http://p.zem.fi/g8qr -- I have no idea how I've ended up with this particular list. < 1324305894 229227 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost regular except not quite. < 1324305919 429908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one damnable out-of-place 55. < 1324306022 133548 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1324306568 183934 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1324306607 514531 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324306671 846879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Such ad-hocery. :( < 1324306683 54772 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-59.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are bytepusher keyboards normally mapped to QWERTY keyboards? < 1324306938 661745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bytepusher is actually used? < 1324307036 504934 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-59.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1324307036 690959 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1324307048 544757 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-59.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that is bad < 1324307050 217673 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-59.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1324307071 644306 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-59.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324307573 281092 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know all the Finnish. < 1324307592 141422 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can say words like "körsvätsiiti". < 1324307619 873041 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "lauskataa". < 1324307633 570452 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither of which is a word any true Finn knows. Therefore, I know more Finnish than the Finns. < 1324307704 551507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: The first implementation listed has an initial first-run configuration thing where it prompts you to press the corresponding keys; then it saves those in a config file. < 1324307827 125878 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1324308192 88077 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I think you also need to know all the Finnish that the Finns know for that to be true. < 1324308465 146924 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, don't be ridikyliistä. < 1324308510 667944 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd've gone with "ridikulöösi" < 1324308723 310506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1324308815 626018 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-59.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hmmm < 1324309004 853936 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-87-59.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1324309369 621042 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1324310719 468756 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324310819 724162 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/nhcuf/hey_rminecraft_do_you_know_of_our_irc_channel/c398im6?context=3 < 1324310819 908631 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 13 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1324310839 760702 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TkTech strikes back, and he exacts a terrible reven— wait no it's hilariously petty and largely lies. < 1324310927 216018 :op_4!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324310993 773008 :op_4!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1324311079 459963 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1324311139 653314 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324311394 610512 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324311579 64406 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW HE TAKES HIS POUND OF FLESH < 1324311991 717023 :op_4!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1324312084 889266 :op_4!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1324312450 635727 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1324313360 267780 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324313805 134807 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll so Cygwin's setup.exe program doesn't require administrator rights to perform an update, except that Windows 7 has a "security feature" that it simply will not allow any program with the substring "setup" in its name to be run without administrator privileges. < 1324313861 984703 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324314332 358823 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ... < 1324314421 53385 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason being, I guess, that programs that don't have manifest files describing whether or not they need administrator rights normally always get run without said rights, but setup programs generally need them. < 1324314462 820987 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows is such a crapchute < 1324314946 568323 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324316234 437955 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, incidentally, biological armageddon is now a taped-up plastic tub in a skip somewhere in Edinburgh away from us. < 1324318784 306491 :shachaf_!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 NICK :shachaf < 1324319333 261734 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324319526 649700 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" How about this: A life where you give birth to someone who does something can be turned into a life where you do that thing!" < 1324319537 812208 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Thank god I can just breed relentlessly and enslave my children to write @, and it'll be equivalent to writing @ myself." < 1324319557 979325 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1324319607 122311 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have another tack on this whole idea but i don't have a good way to say it. < 1324319699 207730 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose that the ultimate goal is to teach teachers. < 1324319780 122159 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after sufficient iterations, there will be noone who doesn't know how to teach. < 1324319794 915253 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you account for new people always being born < 1324319908 220168 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at this point, the ultimate goal having been brought to it's completion, what does the ultimate goal change to < 1324319968 404819 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :------- that one is a bit confusing.. another way i have of thinking about it is < 1324320101 43352 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose the ultimate goal is to save people from their oppressors. and then having saved them, the saved ones adopt the ultimate goal of saving others from oppressors until finally everyone has been saved from oppressors < 1324320143 69684 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now with everyone being saved from oppressors, the current ultimate goal becomes obsolete and so what is everyone supposed to do next? < 1324320248 356533 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--------- i guess in practice it doesn't work quite like that. but so applying this to the "purpose" of having more children.. so that those children will have more children < 1324320390 938777 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, with offspring having offspring ad nauseum... one must inevitably ask what other end these people should be directing their energy towards < 1324320553 892227 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-------- so the way i see it, these situations i have described create a kind of space or level upon which other spaces or levels can be built up, analagous to the postal system only being good for delivering packages < 1324320562 696722 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and packages only being good for containing contents < 1324320818 517238 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't hate packaging, but i would be unlikely to pay much for a cardboard box with paint on it (unless it was like a toy) < 1324320876 371238 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the case of a bill, most of the text is there for legal purposes and the only interesting figure is the number < 1324320990 810946 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like anyone else was talking! rant over < 1324321253 953961 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1324321270 965625 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PART :#esoteric < 1324321273 681089 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1324321364 133427 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1324321369 83778 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rename the file. < 1324321455 273507 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second BytePusher implementation listed has a mode where you enter the keys it tells you the SDL numbers, and then you have to make the configuration file yourself (it currently has no feature to record one itself). < 1324321872 937305 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The third one, I am not sure. Maybe it has built-in keyboard codes that require recompiling to change or something like that I don't know < 1324321988 965685 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started a TVTropes binge about half an hour ago < 1324321998 675027 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The next thing I knew, I was on Wikiquotes < 1324322083 916298 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think (ReadthisT ((,) (Last x))) is like (State x) in some ways < 1324322095 967485 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: ***Terminal out of multicolor paper*** < 1324322278 3897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Being quoted, or reading the quotes? < 1324322286 155568 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter < 1324322291 134536 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately < 1324322304 616226 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes < 1324322312 253111 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.20096 < 1324322393 520146 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 8 < 1324322396 428433 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :8) TODO: sex life < 1324322401 949191 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is SimonRC? < 1324322541 789540 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, 507 isn't very funny < 1324322909 229215 :op_4!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za QUIT :Quit: "nothing so gives the illusion of intelligence as personal association with large sums" < 1324322915 189348 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, did you ever figure out lambda calculus? < 1324322945 516391 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: the closest i came to understanding it is that it's possible to use it without understanding it < 1324322958 784860 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1324322973 644187 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B-) < 1324322976 49116 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that people probably use it without understanding it < 1324323004 300854 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as one can use arithmetic without really knowing what secrets are hidden in the '+' < 1324323032 169554 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`qoute 672 < 1324323034 521148 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: qoute: not found < 1324323036 76865 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1324323044 65715 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote isn't spelt like that < 1324323048 755770 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 672 < 1324323051 753667 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :672) 678) Dammit, Gregor, this is not the time to fall in love 187) Gregor: You should never have got her pregnant. what whaaaaaaaaaaaat < 1324323250 181826 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was some guys talking about a related thing < 1324323292 549559 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" You'd think somebody'd have pinned down this whole arithmetic thing before then." < 1324323354 939707 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, with that kind of topic in mind, people are able to make use of something without understanding it < 1324323373 957463 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another really great example is electricity. < 1324323375 510790 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs Gregor> what whaaaaa < 1324323404 403909 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.2169 < 1324323432 640468 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need to plug in a vaccuum cleaner, flick the switch at the wall thus extending the circuit, and then flick the switch on the actual vaccuum cleaner thus completing the circuit < 1324323476 498270 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can have this blackbox view of things and use the vaccuum cleaner quite proficiently without even knowing what an electron is < 1324323502 821283 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly you don't need to know that a circuit is being completed < 1324323538 658156 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use a computer without having a clue how programs are made < 1324323556 166936 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't. < 1324323565 461464 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a generic "you" < 1324323575 992152 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, generic_you can use lambda calculus without a deep philosophical grasp of it < 1324323826 159450 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is however fairly unclear to what ends a person might do so < 1324323841 754448 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but do i really wanna do this < 1324323887 625232 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my whole resistance to understanding lambda is just another way i am resistant lately to reading or understanding anything < 1324323923 910960 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's elementary that someone in a lazy state of mind won't try to learn much < 1324324746 220960 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambda calculus is like a bunch of boxes that turn boxes into boxes < 1324324820 616732 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like birds??? < 1324324843 228469 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screw this, I'm recording a vlog about lambda calculus < 1324324850 891075 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO THE YOUTUBINATOR < 1324324855 724806 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make sure you do bird sounds. < 1324324874 415488 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, cool, I can upload vids longer than 15 mins now < 1324324876 712284 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not typical < 1324324885 422696 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to explain to me < 1324324909 541571 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i have some very peculiar shortcomings in comprehension of things < 1324324976 45893 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 8 PM on Monday < 1324324979 61170 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means it's University Challenge time < 1324324983 47129 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: bye < 1324324999 611092 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For me, that means it's maths time. < 1324325008 254396 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not really like birds or boxes :-) < 1324325014 72038 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except in a mary poppins sense < 1324325021 187944 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324325046 955200 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know those analogies are done with good intentions though < 1324325124 540045 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda_calculus heh < 1324325470 132685 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :agh.. now trying to understand what is meant by Entscheidungsproblem is difficult too < 1324325546 870839 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is arithmetic a formal language, and 2+2=4 is a logical statement in that language, and the truth value of that statement is true? < 1324325583 476889 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2+2=5 being another logical statement in that language whose truth value is false < 1324325721 160585 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1324325762 98458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324325999 235414 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wolfram alpha is more inspired "Does there exist an algorithm for deciding whether or not a specific mathematical assertion does or does not have a proof?" < 1324326133 765640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: this statement is not provable < 1324326168 98475 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1324326189 56872 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this related to the negative proof problem with things like gods? < 1324326209 730690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gödel's theorem is proved by showing that "this statement is not provable in system S" is expressible in system S, for any sufficiently expressive formal system < 1324326210 738883 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i won't say gods.. < 1324326223 712052 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this related to the negative proof problem with things like wood elves? < 1324326238 269985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this implies that a system can't always work out whether things expressed in that system are provable, because to do so would create a paradox < 1324326238 625203 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"although you haven't seen a wood elf in the woods you can't prove there aren't any" < 1324326299 175887 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather < 1324326311 937119 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"although you haven't seen a wood elf in the woods, that doesn't prove there aren't any" < 1324326458 807954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: hmm… if you saw a ninja in the woods, would it prove that there are no ninjas in the woods? < 1324326466 13187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the basis that, if there /were/ a ninja there, you wouldn't be able to see them? < 1324326523 499017 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realize that gods are not some large animals floating in space < 1324326586 483239 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i didn't want to imply some kind of atheism when i am more uncertain < 1324326610 144824 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but about ninjas, i dunno man :D < 1324326667 836139 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the property of being unobservable would make a thing very difficult indeed to observe < 1324326748 697382 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324326751 922063 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1324327060 260132 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i wonder what is non computable < 1324327072 737998 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halting problem < 1324327166 998902 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux isn't turning on my webcam. < 1324327171 223365 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideas how to fix? < 1324327174 786002 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-98.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324327220 986952 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a continuous curve from the inside of a jordan curve to the outside of a jordan curve which does not intersect with the jordan curve non-computable? < 1324327232 836993 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it merely invalid/impossible :P < 1324327291 160053 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess thats a terrible example.. can be disregarded < 1324327298 722149 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Jordan curve is a continuous loop < 1324327298 898772 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So invalid < 1324327314 384300 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1324327316 240162 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1324327620 799879 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i see that without realizing it, that the example i gave of 2+2=4 and 2+2=5 actually falls under presburger arithmetic < 1324327747 791627 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324327790 312083 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1324327823 805669 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :CC=cl ./configure < 1324327825 319382 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best idea? < 1324327996 46517 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1324328006 703049 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that I have no idea what that will do < 1324328017 876295 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cl is MSVC's compiler frontend. < 1324329064 982548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that configure is at least vaguely aware of cl < 1324329082 1191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how fully it supports it, though < 1324329097 581634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, cl is not nearly insane as MSVC < 1324329101 494781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not nearly as insane as < 1324329116 826844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty typical as old and vaguely cranky ccs go < 1324329135 309805 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually configure seems to support cl quite well. < 1324329139 173060 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is frankly disappointing. < 1324329146 621116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it supports everything quite well, that's the point < 1324329154 375318 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1324329157 876472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it supports compilers that are /way/ more insane than cl < 1324329166 292601 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But like, who uses cl from the command line, ever < 1324329180 852613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I do when I'm trying to use the Microsoft compiler < 1324329185 421929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it saves on having to figure out MSVC < 1324329222 63300 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1324329222 265089 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1324329358 565187 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 'struth < 1324329379 629815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I've seen a computer freeze for half an hour as a result of opening MSVC < 1324329389 268959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it was because the network switch had broken < 1324329400 922983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and MSVC didn't handle the resulting error condition at all sensibly < 1324329673 255578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, it put a separate 30 second timeout waiting for each file it was trying to load to load < 1324329686 513560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, it waited 30 seconds before realizing it couldn't read the first file, another 30 seconds before the second, etc < 1324329693 17262 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently it was trying to read around 60 files < 1324329987 770666 :variable!variablefr@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1324330241 168 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, you are doing Further Maths, yes? < 1324330375 807666 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1324330435 712864 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, why do you ask? < 1324330438 885471 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1324330485 677542 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, because I have to do STEP III which is based on Further Maths and hence contains a fair bit of stuff I haven't done and so I hate you and also all of you other English bastareds. < 1324330487 567323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also < 1324330489 597743 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bastards < 1324330499 250530 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this high school stuff you guys are talking about? < 1324330532 437347 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1324330542 424078 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1324330574 135599 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so lowly < 1324330578 432395 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ cygpath -w popcount.c < 1324330578 744383 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :C:\cygwin\home\Gregor\deps\gmp-5.0.2\mpn\generic\popham.c < 1324330580 540856 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, cygpath < 1324330584 41896 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really. < 1324330596 707147 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm 29, i have no excuses for being the least knowledgable < 1324330630 79662 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I didn't actually mention anything that either STEP III or Further Maths contain? < 1324330685 532591 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't further maths a relatively dumbed down class? < 1324330704 52089 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dumbed down relative to our SUPERIOR SCOTTISH CURRICULUM, yes. < 1324330721 221765 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, do you... want any help? < 1324330733 458670 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But also English people are stupid so they do more school so they also do hyperbolic trig and general binomial series for some reason?? < 1324330770 726106 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only have trivial algebra skills... < 1324330802 282033 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahem.. < 1324330807 820328 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do people taking Further Maths *badum-tshh* < 1324330833 876646 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1324330834 931504 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey! < 1324330836 735380 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall in high school the smart kids took classes named maths methods and specialist maths < 1324330878 81977 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^math methods maybe < 1324331032 35057 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the end it's work to learn < 1324331686 45779 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1324331880 311713 :variable!variablefr@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: I found a 1 /dev/zero < 1324331994 226115 :Guest52454!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-tzdhzwkqhqadulzg JOIN :#esoteric < 1324332042 879957 :Guest52454!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-tzdhzwkqhqadulzg QUIT :Changing host < 1324332043 57040 :Guest52454!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1324332045 855209 :Guest52454!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :variable < 1324332096 12515 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Excess Flood < 1324332157 938642 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1324332179 19746 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Excess Flood < 1324332193 574707 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1324332246 225405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, Kim Jong-Il has died < 1324332251 25287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :official story is that it's of overwork < 1324332342 401483 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, goodnight < 1324332344 860971 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-135.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1324332403 239413 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-174.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324332472 568393 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C376.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324332479 172106 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-174.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Power! < 1324332989 132052 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq has finally taken over the US. < 1324333005 408432 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Death camps for all conservatives are being set up as we speak. < 1324333248 825596 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1324333371 912979 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they strong enough to keep Rick Perry inside? < 1324333438 666123 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-174.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Which is why we have estabilished his facility at the newly estabilished test facility for nuclear space travel. < 1324334120 932009 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that work? < 1324334142 705682 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever seen anyone suggest Orion-style surface-to-orbit transit. < 1324334863 70428 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1324335027 685562 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this message? < 1324335034 806383 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this question? < 1324335122 164141 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-174.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It works... Poorly. < 1324335128 216813 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324335159 395840 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspected as much, given that you probably know roughly as much about rocketry as quantum physics. < 1324335190 292273 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-174.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm neither a rocket scientist nor a physicist, so yeah. :) < 1324335225 30074 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-174.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The main benefit of Orion-style surface-to-orbit transit is being able to make notable swaths of the Earth uninhabitable. < 1324335227 454954 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to make a bomb which is powerful enough to destroy the entire Earth and break it into a million approximately equal pieces? < 1324335250 861250 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, suggest you ask Sam Hughes. < 1324335267 7161 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-174.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed. < 1324335271 670480 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-174.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qntm.org/destroy < 1324335884 951301 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324336324 684107 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: quantum physics!? that's like rocket science! < 1324336345 460466 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do IORefs physically store their values, or are the values stored in the RealWorld somewhere and the IORef is just an index? < 1324336357 797431 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quantum physics and rocket science are different, isn't it? < 1324336573 251699 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A rocket scientist? you might as well say I am a toll collector – rocket scientist…how humiliating!" sheldon cooper < 1324336624 670993 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you'd need roughly 2.24*10^32J to do it, BtW. < 1324336717 274633 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other, less scientifically probable ways that Earth could be destroyed #8 Destroyed by God < 1324336733 272868 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#jesus < 1324336810 845004 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a dream that my irc client suddenly started telling people what music I was listening to. < 1324336815 915413 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was horrible. < 1324336881 287055 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i am listening to can be influenced to give a false impression < 1324336912 670182 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thin strands of glass are surprisingly flexible. < 1324336930 542076 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i imagine also surprisngly sharp < 1324336943 316745 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ones I made weren't actually. < 1324336964 114124 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1324336983 127760 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I melted a couple of thin glass tubes together and stretched them out while they were still liquid; the edge was smooth. < 1324336992 926502 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1324337006 544498 :kallisti!~eris@h139.33.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324337006 837735 :kallisti!~eris@h139.33.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1324337007 13645 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1324337013 177258 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it could be bent a surprisingly large amount without breaking. < 1324337068 270798 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :F:\music mp3\Loituma\Loituma - Kuutamolla\Laulu Laiskana Pitävi.mp3 < 1324337081 655124 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Kanteletar," a collection of traditional poetry, here advises the young women not to sing too much if they want to get on in life. -- hmm < 1324337100 118609 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's nothing I hate more in a woman than incessant singing. < 1324337174 196149 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vies for pro-finland brownie points. < 1324337300 140719 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaaat, ironing clothes is an example of a glass transition. < 1324337431 440908 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1324338016 777153 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that the North Korean official website's 'forum' section is in fact a blog. < 1324338067 125367 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh, that website < 1324338070 176931 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good website < 1324338100 648754 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best website? < 1324338111 571309 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes < 1324338114 636424 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't care about this decadent Western 'web' crap. < 1324338137 75052 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much Haskell. < 1324338157 197064 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have buttons made of flash < 1324338160 315648 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324338161 777119 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in places < 1324338164 187500 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, no. < 1324338167 459273 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I remember it having a quality store too < 1324338169 712810 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just mislabels its sections. < 1324338174 723293 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG there's a store?? < 1324338178 791951 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked on Python how to get a list of consecutive pairs and someone said i = iter(list); izip(i, i) < 1324338181 979894 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net NICK :myndzi < 1324338186 175092 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I argued that that wasn't what I wanted < 1324338194 407531 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember in some parts it had flash buttons, maybe not on the main navigation thing, but some page, somewhere < 1324338208 95926 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgetting about iterators being mutable. :P < 1324338276 803855 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMFG there's a gift shop I want one of those T-shirts so much. < 1324338329 418350 :comex`!~comex@ec2-50-19-141-233.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :comex < 1324338364 835300 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex! < 1324338387 657030 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :will you buy me an official north korea t-shirt for christmas? < 1324338408 131375 :comex!~comex@ec2-50-19-141-233.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1324338483 192445 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay < 1324338497 443709 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :friendship comex < 1324338501 674669 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :north korea friends < 1324338517 958517 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.korea-dpr.com/music.htm ok i found some flash buttons < 1324338549 211525 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and the buttons on the top appear to be flash too < 1324338827 442229 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1324338830 253186 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1324338913 604003 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C376.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1324339172 136270 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's an official site?