< 1324512005 317783 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mao Ze Cat may be the best of all possible cat names. < 1324512102 543840 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: You are now graced with my absence. < 1324512107 186985 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1324512174 897241 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Main Page isn't semi-protected... is that for a reason? < 1324512207 101692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody vandalises it, and it's only recently received incredibly mild spam thanks to the recent huge spam wave. < 1324512211 16223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any reason to semi-protect it? < 1324512287 835092 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324512748 703451 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION . o O ( characters which are rotations of each other: asymmetrical: qb pd symmetrical: () [] {} <> )
< 1324512804 285654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this is rare, it's early night and i actually feel tired < 1324512949 52406 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose something can also be said of characters which are made up out of other characters: :;=" ,._' < 1324513021 902836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: un are rotations of each other < 1324513025 795400 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: http://perlcabal.org/syn/S02.html#Bracketing_Characters < 1324513032 723513 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nice :D < 1324513061 672263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: oh right, Perl 6 actually uses «» < 1324513077 393878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can type them as << >>, which is useful if you don't have a « or » key on your keyboard < 1324513082 78624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I do; altgr-z/altgr-x) < 1324513298 374107 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this could be useful in something like nintendo entertainment system when you want to minimize the overhead of each character < 1324513410 593294 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the rather inconvenient Option-Shift-\ and Option-Shift-| on OS X :/ < 1324513433 710729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: typewriters used not to have 0 or 1 keys < 1324513438 861628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just typed O or I instead < 1324513554 293352 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow these bracketing rules are complex. < 1324513629 988925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: you can make your own mapping for things like that, or use an operating system with compose key support < 1324513661 273133 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. I'm just talking defaults. If I were planning to use them, I'd like just remap the keys < 1324513663 600447 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*likely < 1324513804 707129 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1324514023 116142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think I'll go to bed at 1 am < 1324514062 462620 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i woke up at something like 1 < 1324514085 526678 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about w and m? < 1324514587 247815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PiRSquared17: those aren't rotations in the vast majority of fonts < 1324514645 940325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, my Firefox just upgraded from 3.5 to 9 < 1324514651 558043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a bit of a shock < 1324514665 369167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did let the update manager do that, and it was in -proposed not -security, but still, it's quite the jump) < 1324514690 505343 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324514734 760646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, where's the setting to put the tabs back beneath the URL bar? the current location is crazy, because it's not even at the top of the screen < 1324514747 637138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's just bad in terms of Fitts' Law < 1324514785 982645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the new colour scheme for the tabs (based on window title not dialog background) is ugly < 1324514808 445315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrome has tabs right at the top of the screen when maximised. i like that < 1324514821 640557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, found it, View | Tabs on Top < 1324514825 466942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yep, that makes /sense/ < 1324514830 369173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas Firefox has the menu bar above them < 1324514848 749538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the top gnome-panel thing < 1324514863 24434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tabs on top make sense if I fullscreen Firefox, but I don't do that < 1324514888 342775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ugh at /having/ a status bar (for addons), but /not putting information that should be on the status bar there/ < 1324514894 127968 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1324514894 307194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's, umm, wtf? < 1324514915 109439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: /me likes his panels at the bottom for the same reason :p < 1324514991 309924 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, I have a panel at top and a panel at bottom < 1324515007 583653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at least the bottom one, I use a /lot/, so it makes sense that it gets the bottom screen edge < 1324515018 983106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, lock screen badly needs a corner, but I could put it in a bottom corner not top corner, I guess < 1324515081 937787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why a corner? it needs a keyboard shortcut < 1324515095 395923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? mouse-based lock I use more often < 1324515104 724509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a single action that you want to be readily-accessible; pointing has no use there < 1324515106 47294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in most of the circumstances where I'd want to quickly lock the screen, I have a hand on the mouse < 1324515128 76325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes; obviously if your workflow is biased to one input device, then you're biased to solutions that use it, even if they're suboptimal < 1324515159 469389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, sometimes what I do is keyboard-driven, sometimes it's mouse-driven < 1324515169 202554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the circumstances when I normally want to lock the screen, I'm using the mouse at the time < 1324515198 85656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fwiw, the only way to shut down the system, barring killing X and shutting down from the login screen or doing sudo shutdown, etc, by hand, is the physical power button; I realised I didn't need a shutdown widget because I had that instead) < 1324515275 125056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is the kind of person who just wants a way to say "bye" and it does the equivalent of bring up a user-switching dialogue
< 1324515289 143959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so how do I get Firefox to not delete the http from the start of the line? < 1324515296 65756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :turning off the display is handled by idle-out time, suspending and hibernating too < 1324515313 230997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a laptop, you don't even need that on a single-user machine, it just has to react to closing the lid < 1324515317 456510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the inconsistency annoys me slightly; also, there's enough space on that line as it is, so removing the http isn't going to hurt anything < 1324515339 227240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why don't you do what anyone else would have to do to answer your question, and google it? < 1324515353 992067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's what I did do < 1324515357 855209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's information which is (a) trivial to search for, (b) trivial to verify the accuracy of, and (c) will be a common enough wish to be readily accessible < 1324515359 766016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just wondering if someone knew the answer offhand < 1324515367 436770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not trivial to search for, it took me two tries < 1324515378 442958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should practice more < 1324515390 195092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=show+http+firefox+7 < 1324515402 396556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, "7" is cheating because it came up int he suggestions < 1324515407 113532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=restore+http+prefix+firefox < 1324515417 165302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=show+http+firefox < 1324515429 657065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I eventually found it with "firefox http address bar" < 1324515436 630154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=don't+hide+http+firefox (fifth result) < 1324515490 18364 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.google.com/search?client=browser-rockmelt&channel=omnibox&gcx=c&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=http+firefox < 1324515498 145538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Rockmelt? < 1324515500 179180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you fucking serious? < 1324515502 920521 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fifth result again < 1324515506 208983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, seems that the status bar thing needs an addon to fix < 1324515510 319114 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to make you cry, elliott < 1324515515 707021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: ROCKMELT? < 1324515522 952414 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually use it. :P < 1324515553 614311 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, do I have it on my computer? Yes. < 1324515560 491955 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I use it for that search? Yes. < 1324515572 687932 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything about rockmelt is it any good < 1324515596 324282 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha < 1324515607 795627 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a very bizarre interpretation of good, yes < 1324515609 667771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a stupid name < 1324515650 869705 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a safari guy, myself < 1324515653 554162 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: You are now graced with my absence. < 1324515683 442449 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Chrome UI doesn't sit well with me, and Firefox keeps pretending it has major updates < 1324515848 763029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone who can use safari for more than a day isn't human < 1324515955 50144 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1324515996 710621 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not human, then < 1324516002 687047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1324516010 916744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: tell me to go to bed pls, it's (a) 1 am and (b) i'm tired < 1324516017 990826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i even slept yesterday < 1324516048 528340 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used Chrome and FF extensively, and I just don't see much to draw me into them. < 1324516051 923332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you know? sleeping might actually be a good idea for once < 1324516059 553586 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Open source is fun, I guess, but I could give a shit about browser dev < 1324516061 208476 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all browsers are awful :'( < 1324516094 68134 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324516107 509128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox wins for me just because of superior customizability; all browsers suck, so pick the one that you at least have a fighting chance of making suck less < 1324516124 954067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, Opera's the only browser that's managed to offend me enough to actually uninstall it < 1324516130 174991 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1324516130 894795 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im still waiting for @ to solve all of my problems ever < 1324516133 955928 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same < 1324516151 117886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have IE6 installed atm but not Opera; that said, I don't use IE6 for anything but compatibility testing, because it's IE6, and I do it with my network connection turned off) < 1324516158 258620 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Christ, anyone who can use Opera for more than a day is definitely not human < 1324516227 444275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds that you can't actually make firefox not suck
< 1324516239 777432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless there's a Don't Bring My System To A Crushing Halt When I Have >200 Tabs extension < 1324516253 338078 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is not < 1324516258 414032 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1324516273 523302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least with chrome i rarely actually think "I'm using chrome" because it never actually pops up any annoying dialogues or UI elements to remind me I'm using chrome < 1324516277 87393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's fast < 1324516278 323428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1324516285 426900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also its tab bar is nicer than firefox's < 1324516310 851252 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its interesting that people rarely have 50 apps open at one time, but easily manage to get 50 browser tabs open at one time < 1324516318 494659 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer my tabs under my nav bar < 1324516328 611488 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: That's a memory issue < 1324516341 511388 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, even on Chrome, my system slows down with too many tabs < 1324516358 803877 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how did Opera offend you? < 1324516366 656035 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet, strangely, I have not yet managed to hit the upper limit of tabs in Safari < 1324516381 745012 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: gah, don't make me remember < 1324516382 287092 :marcomarco100!~marcomarc@93-39-254-58.ip78.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1324516383 600485 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Occasionally I'll come back days later and find tabs I still haven't made it to :D < 1324516393 670572 :marcomarco100!~marcomarc@93-39-254-58.ip78.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1324516398 745593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the notification tray icon with the Opera logo was a pretty big offender, though, and that wasn't the only problem < 1324516400 212595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1324516402 158945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome < 1324516403 465732 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my biggest problem with crhome is the stupid noneditable autocompletion on the address bar thingy < 1324516404 450630 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1324516425 756511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: your system is beyond terrible isn't it < 1324516433 262623 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: *nod* < 1324516438 39070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome marcomarco100 < 1324516439 173432 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, Reddit loads slowly in Chrome, freezing other Reddit tabs < 1324516440 757460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 failed to do it properly! < 1324516440 933548 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :marcomarco100: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1324516441 109378 :marcomarco100!~marcomarc@93-39-254-58.ip78.fastwebnet.it PART :#esoteric < 1324516443 952387 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it starts autocompleting things incorrectly and i can't fix it and ugh what i really want is just to be able to configure it :( < 1324516448 227983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I /always/ do it as `? welcome < 1324516451 685246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you scared him away < 1324516455 864560 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can have like < 1324516458 20533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or her, I guess < 1324516458 867194 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kjeyboard-bookmarks < 1324516464 604080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's an explicitly male nick < 1324516480 348167 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that if I load a few Chrome tabs at once, they all freeze up until the last one finishes loading < 1324516482 341121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hint: if you wait a second then it usually works, or if you hit the down arrow after a second there's usually an unmodified alternative < 1324516482 912462 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not amusing < 1324516485 246940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only rarely run into that though < 1324516493 405147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: I diagnose the problem as OS X < 1324516496 709404 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Flash opening in the background is a pain in the ass < 1324516505 615207 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, block the plugin < 1324516511 68888 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can selectively enable it as needed < 1324516512 189625 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use flashblock with firefox < 1324516514 312531 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but then I have to wait/pay attention < 1324516517 636831 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did. < 1324516527 98662 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just would rather it not load them till I get to the page < 1324516529 821171 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas I prefer doing things quickly while looking in the other direction < 1324516537 699085 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One way is to simply disable (or uninstall) Flash. < 1324516537 900675 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1324516544 516639 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use flashblock with firefox < 1324516560 886459 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its really the rolls royce of dealing with flash i think < 1324516574 435170 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to tell Mozilla to load the entire HTML document first before loading any images, CSS, or anything else? < 1324516576 248277 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know how to evaluate that statement < 1324516597 991331 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evaluate? fancy < 1324516608 190136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi, kickban me so i go to bed, thank you < 1324516612 963990 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :flashblock replaces a flash element with a simple element that if clicked on will load the flash element < 1324516618 368990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can undo it after an hour or so < 1324516618 592105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think ops are meant to be used for that < 1324516622 746906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could try uninstalling your IRC client < 1324516623 748199 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is the message? < 1324516625 396544 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm aware of how Flash blockers work, itidus21 < 1324516629 380911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ? < 1324516632 50940 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then cutting your Internet access wires so you can't reinstall it < 1324516632 227015 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: if you say so < 1324516634 87478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but this is the first time i've been tired in months! < 1324516638 382281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: go to bed then! < 1324516640 31650 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages < 1324516640 238042 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 4h 38m 38s ago: Here's something justifying (>>=) as something more than just a convenient abbreviation for (\f -> join . fmap f): it's the type of variable substitution. http://blog. < 1324516640 414336 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigfpe.com/2006/11/variable-substitution-gives.html -- this is the tree grafting I mentioned. < 1324516643 374265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: bed is hard! < 1324516644 438440 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my uses of flash blockers is to stop video autoplay < 1324516647 941838 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then html5 video and < 1324516649 915580 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cries softly < 1324516650 483030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bed is difficult. why bed when irc. < 1324516660 952476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you really like reading conversations /this/ boring? < 1324516666 143573 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hay you ! Stop putting line breaks in the wrong place like that please < 1324516686 681782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: glowing changing screens are more interesting than blackness! < 1324516686 858040 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: ok i know what you mean, its like the browser doesn't want you determining which elements to display < 1324516687 34010 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me? < 1324516702 282588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: lambdabot i think < 1324516702 495732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why not just turn your computer off? < 1324516709 213531 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1324516710 949795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's got IRC on it! < 1324516711 125830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one button, or possibly two if you have a confirmation < 1324516713 10452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just go press it < 1324516714 794508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now < 1324516718 775917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i have to hold it down for that to work < 1324516727 306451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'd realise i was getting rid of irc in the middle of it < 1324516735 110934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pressing the power button doesn't start a shutdown sequence? < 1324516735 565459 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could start linking to Station V3 and talking about using PSOX to improve it. < 1324516737 220162 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try m-Q < 1324516739 589019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i might lose data because of fsck things < 1324516741 443464 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: In Safari, if I open a tab with a Flash element, it does not load until I give the tab focus, regardless of the plugins I have installed. < 1324516746 585376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: that'll dump me at a shell prompt < 1324516747 775776 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just like to see that from other browsers < 1324516749 138202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nope < 1324516759 308850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not talking about hard poweroff; I'm just shocked that soft poweroff isn't the result you get by pressing the power button < 1324516761 949852 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: then you're pretty much shut down < 1324516763 516881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1324516765 953347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm, you could always REISUO your system < 1324516767 63765 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just type a few words and bam < 1324516775 469659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: or you could just kickban me! < 1324516777 734996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kind-of awkward to interrupt as soon as you hit the E < 1324516793 949580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I could just spam the channel < 1324516795 492859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you don't lose data because of fsck things because that's what the S is for < 1324516807 684837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi < 1324516813 645498 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hi < 1324516816 124539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi < 1324516819 450261 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, even if you were kick-banned, you might end up just reading stuff online. That's what I tend to do < 1324516829 898233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: my eyes are almost closed < 1324516836 186583 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: once you're at the shell prompt it will take more work to get into irc than to shut down < 1324516839 130257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi < 1324516843 595699 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hi < 1324516847 233031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi < 1324516851 507916 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: or do you secretly not want to slep.... < 1324516868 8979 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, just put us all on ignore < 1324516872 540765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1324516877 545634 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that works too < 1324516935 159027 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have actually used >>= for something similar to what that says. < 1324517182 347133 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: NEXT EPISODE ON HOMESTUCK: VAMPIRES VS. CLOWNS. WHO WINS? < 1324517209 103294 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :god this is ridiculous. < 1324517333 937901 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who wins, at what game? Poker or chess? < 1324517347 467401 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it Washizu mahjong? < 1324517385 679065 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the majong. < 1324517417 706323 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the game of life < 1324517423 648130 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one were the LOSER FACES DEATH < 1324517430 605314 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you die in real life you die IN REAL LIFE. < 1324517482 481950 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you die in Canada, you die in real life. < 1324517506 567798 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY GOD. NO. WHAT HAVE I DONE. < 1324517511 907170 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION flees Canada immediately.
< 1324517514 760893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote When you die in Canada, you die in real life. < 1324517517 28311 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :773) When you die in Canada, you die in real life. < 1324517530 223122 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you die in not Canada, you also die in real life! < 1324517542 198842 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? NO. FUCK < 1324517544 655892 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When you die in Canada, you die in real life." sounds eerily familiar < 1324517557 349717 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... lol < 1324517648 512816 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, if you die in real life, you die in Canada. < 1324517654 142904 :Tritonio!~AndChat@150.140.230.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324517660 467480 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if Gregor had a strife specibus, it would be hatkind. < 1324517686 709667 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that mean? < 1324517691 781132 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing. < 1324517693 167992 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, Homestuck < 1324517695 910334 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1324517704 660521 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That is not a very good logic because not everyone Canada. < 1324517722 486506 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is aware of this.
< 1324517745 919675 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is fully aware that if a then b does not imply if b then a
< 1324517766 842622 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks sgeo < 1324517769 152549 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for being < 1324517771 30963 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~aware~ < 1324517785 707743 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just wanted to make zzo38 aware that he is aware
< 1324517785 924824 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: btw, THAT IS NOT HOW IMPLICATION WORKS. < 1324517819 918107 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I have said necessarily imply? < 1324517826 153698 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: quick, give this operator meaning in Haskell: >|= < 1324517834 583904 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: could it be a barrier monad thing? the | looks like a barrier. < 1324517844 405918 :Tritonio!~AndChat@150.140.230.164 QUIT :Client Quit < 1324517852 823822 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tritonio: bye < 1324517874 291269 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> kallisti: Be an Active Worlds bot. < 1324517895 583431 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the worst channel < 1324517908 185742 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my goal in life is now to make a Haskell library with every ridiculous operator you could possibly think of. < 1324517914 938677 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no I bet #jesus is actually worse. < 1324517927 462953 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also channels that only have one person. < 1324517928 708624 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes a channel is so bad I forget worse channels exist < 1324517955 372791 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: OK lets me try to think of what it can be.. < 1324517957 492945 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, am I really that horrible? < 1324517979 875006 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B77E.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1324517986 143407 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it was that single line < 1324518001 351949 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was amazing and i love it < 1324518009 959268 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes things are good because they are bad < 1324518042 502001 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my goal is now to find a way to create like 20 new operators in a Haskell library. < 1324518053 345794 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Do you have ideas? < 1324518053 521966 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes an operator new < 1324518064 173679 :Tritonio!~AndChat@150.140.230.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324518065 966105 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :>|= is good < 1324518071 647629 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but no I don't actually produce ideas. < 1324518075 15119 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does (>|=) do < 1324518086 666653 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunnp/ < 1324518090 789970 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Template Haskell to take any function of two or more arguments and make a random operator out of it < 1324518108 961026 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1324518113 127798 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then you just have to guess what the operator is? < 1324518116 892437 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good. < 1324518204 765346 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> kallisti: Read MSPA update < 1324518221 42927 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the activeworlds bot line had more soul to it < 1324518221 219622 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Sgeo: okay < 1324518222 14767 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor `Sgeo'Not in scope: `okay' < 1324518320 134164 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the latest pic is amazing :D < 1324518403 602957 :Tritonio!~AndChat@150.140.230.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. Any brainfuck news? Any breakthrough? < 1324518423 245122 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck? < 1324518451 908316 :Tritonio!~AndChat@150.140.230.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh... Yes? < 1324518456 427138 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to make a library of operators, one thing that could have is the <>>= operator that I have made. You could also have bool x y z = if z then y else x; and make a infix operator form of that possibly < 1324518459 926994 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324518470 616868 :Tritonio!~AndChat@150.140.230.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a moment I bought I was in a wrong room. < 1324518472 179737 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tritonio: What about brainfuck specifically do you want to ask? < 1324518479 278246 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has currently been impossible to introduce brainfuck into the junior curriculum for obvious reasons < 1324518480 102495 :Tritonio!~AndChat@150.140.230.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought* < 1324518506 418935 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tritonio, we used to play games based on Brainfuck < 1324518522 655885 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and ask if you are interested about those kind of game too. < 1324518533 882227 :Tritonio!~AndChat@150.140.230.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zzo38 anything new. She when do you mean? < 1324518538 118573 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: what obvious reasons < 1324518565 296339 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you can't teach anything to young people containing the word fuck < 1324518567 240012 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it has fuck in the name. ha. ha. ha. < 1324518570 507136 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1324518584 854469 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tritonio: Look on the wiki. There isn't really much new, but if you have additional ideas, you can discuss them < 1324518587 250748 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tritonio: I don't forsee any brainfuck "breakthroughs" occurring anytime soon. < 1324518599 638693 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :let us know if you discover any. < 1324518692 186544 :Tritonio!~AndChat@150.140.230.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I'll check the brainfuck page she for the games. Kallisti that's bad. What would you say that we start a brainfuck golf for selected problems from project euler? < 1324518721 361475 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BFJoust < 1324518722 402972 :Tritonio!~AndChat@150.140.230.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :She -> sgeo < 1324518739 96940 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust < 1324518745 662316 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'd probably kill myself before working through a project euler problem in brainfuck. < 1324518746 363422 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have (had?) a BF Joust bot in here < 1324518752 996319 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already have enough trouble in non-esoteric languages. < 1324518764 819110 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first few problems would be easy enough though. < 1324518773 174016 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1324518774 32457 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1324518802 554042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :every now and then I come up with a new BF Joust idea and get surprisingly high on the leaderboard with it < 1324518809 749870 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1324518810 115935 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1324518811 490705 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1324518812 840169 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1324518813 582916 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help < 1324518813 790617 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1324518815 889678 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: help < 1324518816 443611 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: 8 weeks of fnord in hand i've translated here and there. < 1324518822 29994 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :we like bots. < 1324518832 158965 :Tritonio!~AndChat@150.140.230.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also golf would give new twist to the problems since you need short code and not fast code as usually required by euler. < 1324518925 734142 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly the ideas about brainfuck would be about compiling into brainfuck codes and compiling a brainfuck code into something else. LLVM includes an example file to compile a brainfuck code into LLVM. < 1324518934 914893 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was left to the educational department to come up with a suitable alternative name and they unanimously decided on the name LearnTech < 1324518957 703124 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@slap itidus21 < 1324518957 990413 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't perform such side effects on command! < 1324519008 412371 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hits lambdabot with an unsafePerformIO
< 1324519031 521176 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (:=) < 1324519032 285813 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: data constructor `:=' < 1324519036 274349 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (=:) < 1324519037 41459 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `=:' < 1324519046 402915 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: is a capital letter. < 1324519052 573007 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct. < 1324519093 879348 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No, in Haskell : is not a letter, it is a uppercase operator symbol. < 1324519130 594481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's right, collision and undermine are at #8 and #10 respectively < 1324519135 712369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and both were top 10 the day I invented the strategy < 1324519199 497227 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (=:) = writeSTRef in runST $ newSTRef 2 >>= (\x -> x =: 4) < 1324519200 422219 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : () < 1324519296 572564 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a flip (.) operator? < 1324519303 569216 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice to use on the right-hand side of >>= < 1324519351 116195 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> < 1324519354 678548 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Control.Arrow < 1324519357 791191 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can read left-to-right smoothly instead of having to go backwards on the compositions. < 1324519361 196451 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1324519368 200790 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (>>>) < 1324519368 943417 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (cat :: * -> * -> *) a b c. (Control.Category.Category cat) => cat a b -> cat b c -> cat a c < 1324519378 925258 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....Category? < 1324519385 123730 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324519391 453078 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that would work too < 1324519396 583496 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, that makes more sense than restricting it to arrows, but < 1324519425 140831 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's in Control.Category too, and Control.Arrow reexports it < 1324519463 985029 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.) has different fixity from >>> and <<< < 1324519474 656538 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And >>> and <<< are both infixr for some reason < 1324519485 628537 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe it doesn't matter infixr vs infixl?) < 1324519492 414546 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixity? < 1324519498 284085 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean associativity? or precedence? < 1324519499 920655 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still, infixr 9 . and infixr 1 >>>, <<< < 1324519502 126926 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :composition is associative < 1324519513 742848 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, yes, fixity declarations specify precedence and associativity < 1324519527 708303 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, ah, ok < 1324519531 455823 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: l and r give associativity, and the number is precedence < 1324519541 10596 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.....I was not asking a question about what those mean. < 1324519552 348429 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1324519564 551321 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said "fixity" and out of context it didn't make any sense. < 1324519572 71489 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's not what fixity normally means. < 1324519575 640017 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1324519596 325204 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "fixity" normally mean? < 1324519611 455411 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Fixedness < 1324519622 775946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, hm okay, but "fixity" sounds weird < 1324519634 844281 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm, apparently fixity does mean associativity < 1324519638 806499 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. I've never actually seen it used in that sense < 1324519640 692023 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixedness is what I would use < 1324519641 624331 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it meant infix, postfix, prefix, etc. < 1324519657 501020 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1324519678 822289 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would a game get black bars at the top and bottom of a fucking 16:9 monitor. That is how wide screen it gets! < 1324519700 816076 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O Haddock can't parse (.) = (Prelude..) < 1324519720 997960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Prelude.. looks so silly. < 1324519799 314294 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clean uses o for composition, I think < 1324520030 942217 :tuubow!~adityavit@c-69-136-107-140.hsd1.nj.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324520561 644811 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1324520777 995345 :Tritonio!~AndChat@150.140.230.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight everyone. Talk to you soon I hope. < 1324520869 696230 :Tritonio!~AndChat@150.140.230.164 QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1324521046 536236 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: perl uses sub{f (g @_))} for composition. :) < 1324521460 54575 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1324521730 156936 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the game simply refuses to yield it's display ratio... refuses! < 1324521739 19573 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, heh < 1324521754 130367 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, well apart from that it is /the/ best game I ever played. < 1324521768 524683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could be a case of aesthetics? < 1324521769 442706 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is _because_ of that < 1324521778 444914 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, doubtful < 1324521807 387801 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just put some paper matching the color of the screen over the blacked out parts < 1324521821 644714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, it is the best game ever because the story is awesome, the game mechanics are solid, the voice acting superb and the graphics the best I never seen. < 1324521829 279874 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Witcher 2) < 1324521844 580053 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/never/ever/ < 1324521860 872363 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try a super gameboy style border < 1324521863 777023 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1324521866 900963 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :made of paper < 1324521876 756529 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't want it distracting though < 1324521893 12857 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing too contrasting < 1324521897 416961 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I shall upload some screenshots of this game played on almost-ultra (my high end PC can't do ultra. You basically need a dual-GPU setup to do that) < 1324521925 506123 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like.. black and white next to each other gives a jarring contrast < 1324522083 410091 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, you have to agree this looks crazy-awesome good. Unlike say skyrim. Which looks horrible. http://whotookspaz.org/~anmaster/images/witcher2/witcher2_2011-12-21_02-55-00-69.png < 1324522125 15843 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Skyrim could have been a good-looking game, with more polygons and higher resolution textures < 1324522134 640639 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it is now it is obviously a console-port < 1324522146 930083 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which also shows in the god damn horrible menu system < 1324522180 364705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :while witcher 2 is obviously a PC-game throughout. The menu system is very suited to mouse and keyboard. < 1324522187 381194 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, anyway what do you think of that screenshot. < 1324522191 658660 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could upload some more < 1324522205 854395 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im in a chilling out mood so not right now. but it looks good < 1324522221 72048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a what mood? < 1324522261 698983 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, the plants there, they move realistically. It is not like skyrim where you see that they are made up of some textures on large flat surfaces (that effect was even worse in oblivion) < 1324522335 432000 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott You complained about Skyrim textures. Check out the images in http://whotookspaz.org/~anmaster/images/witcher2/ then < 1324522335 608093 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1324522360 994337 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324522481 16814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, see also http://whotookspaz.org/~anmaster/images/witcher2/witcher2_2011-12-21_02-59-54-57.png for some close-ups from a conversation. < 1324522488 773326 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err for one close-up even < 1324522572 231210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1324522601 405077 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I haven't seen elliott for some time. Any idea if he is out of town or something? < 1324522610 386385 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if I just missed him < 1324522634 832537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you missed him < 1324522641 530546 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1324522645 355232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was here earlier, and trying to get people to kickban him so that he'd go to bed < 1324522650 1305 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1324522655 835596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, usually I go to bed before him < 1324522663 930414 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and before you too < 1324522681 138457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :though my sleeping schedule is utterly messed up currently < 1324522685 155617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm sure oerjan has half a proof sketch :P <-- don't be ridiculous :P < 1324522836 691345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hello. Any brainfuck news? Any breakthrough? <-- wait, did no one tell him about my 3-cell TC proof :( < 1324522871 6801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if he's been around since then < 1324523000 922987 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1324523118 294230 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: elliott's sleep schedule isn't a schedule. :) < 1324523197 962315 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: You are now graced with my absence. < 1324523233 431588 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would be the use of the type $1+2+3+4+\cdots=-{1\over12}$ in Haskell? < 1324523246 182407 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1324523291 237032 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously there are no negative or fraction cardinalities but you can still do things like this < 1324523317 407860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: maybe something with zippers. they're based on using derivation on types, so why not that. < 1324523331 959252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1324523361 568994 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes that is what I was thinking of too. But I still don't know exactly what it would mean or whatever. < 1324523384 806829 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324523583 289480 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My vet sent me an email. Make sure not to feed your cat tinsel. < 1324523586 458069 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll keep that in mind. < 1324523639 262617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I think there's an implication of "and don't let your cat feed itself tinsel" < 1324523661 746589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rubbish, true cat owners only buy edible tinsel < 1324523703 143713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :next: how to decorate a tree with kebab strips < 1324523727 576918 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep < 1324523791 264586 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Tinsel is Purina Dietetic Management Tinsel < 1324523808 916831 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: elliott's sleep schedule isn't a schedule. :) <-- good point < 1324523843 953657 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : What would be the use of the type $1+2+3+4+\cdots=-{1\over12}$ in Haskell? <-- that is TeX not Haskell < 1324523944 508983 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True cat owners use catnip Chrismas trees. < 1324523959 162597 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, heh < 1324523964 13602 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get visits from santa paws < 1324523973 85858 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1324523978 382821 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :santa claws? < 1324523995 671980 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll stick with paws < 1324524032 934536 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I guess it is Santa Jaws for sharks? < 1324524043 344559 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1324524478 549250 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Santa Caws for crows < 1324524547 880757 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What an exciting time the 3-cell TC proof was :D < 1324524581 146235 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-36.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1324524584 716386 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :did that ever get resolved? < 1324524592 236283 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-210-79.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324524600 315223 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome back < 1324524731 107417 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, and Sata Raws for photographers? < 1324524759 107065 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1324524773 43282 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: What get resolved? < 1324524794 58095 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :3-ell bf tc-ness < 1324524807 466399 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, oerjan was successful < 1324524828 308470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Collatz_function < 1324524847 942961 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I know that is TeX not Haskell. I meant it just to specify mathematically what I meant < 1324524909 494837 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: my belief about realism in games etc is that the more real something is the easier it is for a human to comprehend it < 1324524922 44156 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie. the value of improved graphics < 1324524951 910171 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the part of me that enjoyed it for what it is has gone numb years ago < 1324524955 132122 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: You're forgetting the uncanny valley < 1324524963 89732 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hummmm < 1324524966 373313 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: awesome < 1324524971 931433 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love uncanny valley < 1324524977 229966 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do we want to build the uncanny valley? < 1324524996 705818 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean.. why do we pursue it? :D < 1324525013 51851 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmmmm < 1324525022 508266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: to get past it, presumably < 1324525023 218873 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make more realism in games even if you have no graphics at all. The way to do realism is by physics, not by graphics, in my opinion. < 1324525046 870452 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Realism in games either has to be indistinguishable from reality or cartoonish enough that it doesn't make people uncomfortable < 1324525059 153438 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you didn't have time to prepare your opinion of course.. < 1324525061 567031 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course, if you have graphics, you would want the graphics to correctly reflect the physics of the game) < 1324525090 729454 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone in here used Factor, at all? < 1324525104 55798 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: I have read about it. < 1324525115 349068 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: my belief about realism in games etc is that the more real something is the easier it is for a human to comprehend it <-- abstractions can help sometimes < 1324525134 859795 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1324525139 726598 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good game < 1324525147 564057 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you win! < 1324525149 946517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Realism in games either has to be indistinguishable from reality or cartoonish enough that it doesn't make people uncomfortable <-- what about the two screenshots in http://whotookspaz.org/~anmaster/images/witcher2/ < 1324525154 803598 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still see it isn't real < 1324525160 993114 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wouldn't call it uncanny < 1324525182 12824 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmmm < 1324525183 974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet I would call the graphics superb < 1324525192 931460 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a chat with a guy once about the uncanny valley and gaming < 1324525210 739943 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget exactly what he said < 1324525219 151670 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They are, but they are also obviously not real < 1324525223 607288 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, well yes < 1324525225 380439 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uncanny valley is more subtle < 1324525249 767195 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think people focus too much on graphics. Sure, it can enhance storytelling by giving the game cinematic qualities, but to me the gameplay is far more important. < 1324525252 810578 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :motion capture can quickly become uncanny < 1324525266 773078 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Yes I think the gameplay is far more important < 1324525267 377260 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the extent that most of my favorite games either have not amazing graphics or no graphics at all. < 1324525270 172659 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, also the NPCs do such things as huff on a fire after they light it. That could potentially start being in behavioural uncanny valley < 1324525275 650563 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :though not quite there < 1324525296 586202 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there horses in that game? < 1324525297 146077 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Yes, to me too < 1324525298 142536 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, agreed. But the whole makes the game. < 1324525300 485986 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, nope < 1324525310 139560 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the uncanny valley is why < 1324525319 134360 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would ruin their entire attempt at realism < 1324525320 545012 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, skyrim has horses without problems < 1324525334 287202 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, and that is not the reason. The reason is that the distances are small. < 1324525340 51296 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Right, but I'd be willing to bet their movements are unsettling < 1324525342 55736 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say horses in skyrim are actually pretty unrealistic. < 1324525346 135495 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can practically climb mountains. < 1324525351 242118 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, and many indoor or thick wood areas < 1324525363 358168 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with the dragon movement. not very convincing, though certainly an improvement overall from Oblivion. < 1324525384 186981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, yes, because due to bugs they can climb up near vertical slopes. They tend to spaz out while doing so :P < 1324525387 420770 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not what you meant I know < 1324525394 292512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no, they are not uncanny otherwise < 1324525406 277974 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffs < 1324525424 598164 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it is possible you haven't been initiated into the concept of uncanny valley < 1324525433 692354 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, it is possible I never ran into it < 1324525442 392948 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just did once by chance < 1324525446 549088 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone told me about it < 1324525449 598881 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the uncanny valley is bordered on each side by the canny mountains. < 1324525450 380878 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley < 1324525454 548893 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, anyway I watched raytraced images that are like super-realistic and never found them uncanny < 1324525465 56784 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not what is meant by uncanny valley < 1324525485 19424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right, that is more to do with movements than still graphics < 1324525508 1707 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, anyway witcher 2 uses motion capture so there... < 1324525513 92238 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its when your brain gets confused about whether a thing is a _real_ human or not < 1324525518 843555 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Photorealistic renderings are just as vulnerable < 1324525520 279351 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1324525525 173351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, couldn't you just do motion capture on horses? < 1324525527 968558 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to itidus21) < 1324525528 818492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :just an idea < 1324525533 795047 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1324525577 931656 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, and they have. But the brain understand more about natural motion than you think. Either it must be indistinguishable from reality, or it must be bad enough as not to be revolting < 1324525594 468069 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1324525596 744322 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*understands < 1324525623 55550 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, how comes no one is annoyed at the pretty realistic results you get from motion capture on humans then? < 1324525643 732124 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is no one annoyed? < 1324525647 959944 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a subtle thing.. < 1324525656 47521 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found LA Noire very difficult to play for long periods < 1324525685 515658 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was something close to real, but just off by a narrow margin < 1324525689 613743 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was unsettling < 1324525716 576641 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To use an obvious example, what is your natural reaction when you see someone with a prosthetic hand? < 1324525729 950128 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, more directly, if you found yourself shaking such a hand, how would you react? < 1324525749 405794 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very realistic facsimile, but also not the real thing < 1324525815 57745 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I found LA Noire very difficult to play for long periods <-- while I haven't played it, I watched a Let's Play of it. I didn't have any issues with that < 1324525819 881440 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc they used face scanning < 1324525829 844357 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : To use an obvious example, what is your natural reaction when you see someone with a prosthetic hand? <-- I never seen one < 1324525836 365251 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :_-_ < 1324525851 4248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only one I can remember atm is the one of Luke Skywalker, and that is a real hand actually :P < 1324525975 355680 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, anyway I do hope we get real time raytracing on GPUs in the future. That would be awesome. (Sure it can be done to very limited degrees currently, but I meant for something more complex than a couple of bouncing balls above a plane) < 1324526018 17292 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :photon mapping or MLP are so much more expensive that I don't see them coming any time soon < 1324526127 559967 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see the point anyway < 1324526133 73632 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :waste of computing power.. ahahhahaha < 1324526163 504388 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1324526167 365507 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get the joke < 1324526181 855082 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need graphics that good < 1324526193 403769 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's literally a waste of computer cycles < 1324526217 758967 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, well who "needs" games anyway? < 1324526246 739558 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, ? < 1324526247 885486 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok which object do you first imagine when you think of photon mapping? < 1324526255 450098 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am curious to compare < 1324526260 34629 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, uh? < 1324526276 687035 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i read bouncing balls.. cos i thought of a soccer or volleyball < 1324526279 249749 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-210-79.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: You live in the *wrong* timespan to be talking about a "waste of computer cycles". < 1324526286 389176 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, probably I think of povray. I believe it can do that < 1324526294 809811 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1324526299 950928 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not completely sure though < 1324526305 442238 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-210-79.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your computer spends oodles of time busily doing nothing at all. < 1324526306 606610 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i was thinking of blitzball from final fantasy 10 < 1324526308 202126 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know luxrender uses MLP < 1324526325 4991 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and all the porn on the internet :-s < 1324526337 188006 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, unless you are doing raytracing :P < 1324526347 413221 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reality is that a lot of what an economy does is garbage < 1324526377 730756 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-210-79.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Even then unless you do it in very tightly coded assembly you're chucking away a lot of clock cyclesz. < 1324526382 493282 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no thats not the reality < 1324526395 543352 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just a bitter cynical anxious 29 year old < 1324526397 467909 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, of course < 1324526420 212848 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I'm going to graph the CPU and GPU load when plaing witcher 2 < 1324526424 702389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing* < 1324526436 775333 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-210-79.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyways, realtime raytracing GPUs "should" just be a matter of a few more iterations of Moore's Law. < 1324526464 659673 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what about MLP and so on? < 1324526506 955540 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-210-79.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MLP = ? < 1324526513 757145 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metropolis Light Transport < 1324526518 276045 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :luxrender uses it iirc < 1324526528 136743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, unlike photon mapping it is unbiased < 1324526579 456468 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-210-79.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Exponentials are powerful shit, man. < 1324526585 781697 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway witcher 2 did eat 100% of the GPU. And it peaked on about 35% of the CPU cores that it used. (it used all but one) < 1324526595 372742 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well yes < 1324526641 858028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm witcher 2 ate about half the dedicated GPU memory. While iirc skyrim uses nearly all of it. And GTA IV fill sit completely. How strange < 1324526654 937342 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fills it* < 1324526664 141306 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because witcher 2 is definitely the game with the highest texture resolution < 1324526675 77896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is just better optimised < 1324526726 561852 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just that as i age, i have to wonder just what graphics mean to me as a human < 1324526735 74597 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like on a philosophical level < 1324526746 335318 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1324526758 443042 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1324526792 969549 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why oh no? < 1324526799 47195 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind < 1324526802 109935 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, btw the plants in witcher 2 actually look realistic in how they move in the wind. < 1324526809 977539 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just figured out i was horribly mentally ill? < 1324526818 139796 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are? < 1324526818 383995 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a problem in your cpu calculations :P < 1324526822 555614 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know? < 1324526835 126181 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh no, not more itidus21-philosophy" actually < 1324526857 844230 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, they definitely don't look like they are some partly transparent textures on a few flat planes < 1324526863 157070 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Plants aren't the issue. They're not at all like people or any other living thing < 1324526863 333093 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they bend in a /lot/ of places < 1324526868 841317 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*living, moving thing < 1324526898 127758 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're not going to bother learning what the uncanny valley is, I don't know how you plan to disprove it < 1324526902 598345 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1324526910 602139 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, so it is just humans and animals? < 1324526925 791302 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(otherwise, why would horses be affected) < 1324526961 849050 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read the article < 1324526968 636822 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's humans and animals < 1324527043 57657 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1324527121 294142 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, anyway I might give LA Noir a try at some point, except it looked like a boring version of GTA :P < 1324527137 186081 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, same developer, the cover mechanics were the same as far as I could tell < 1324527152 275060 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more of a story game, but the story's a bit lame < 1324527158 735100 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes it is < 1324527169 718937 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they had much less fluid cover mechanics than Deus Ex: Human Revolution < 1324527190 605250 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a game which looked like shit, probably becuase I played it directly after witcher 2) < 1324527274 960652 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, I ended up a bit spoiled by witcher 2 I think. I jumped straight from the original NWN and minecraft into witcher 2 when I got my new computer. Which means every other modern games look like shit to me. Well I heard good things about Battlefield 3, haven't played it, don't like that genre. < 1324527377 448784 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1324527466 852731 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and I did try rage. It look good in some places and horrible in other. Which is just jarring. Plus I'm not an FPS fan. < 1324527552 62145 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made some computer game too but I generally didn't do like this; whether the graphics or whatever important depend much on the game. Some game it has no graphics. < 1324527581 727249 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :id software lost their mojo after quake 1 < 1324527600 532537 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, well they definitely lost it by the time of Rage I can tell < 1324527618 788249 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :25 GB installation size and it looked like shit. Wtf... < 1324527662 869525 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quake 2, quake 3: arena, quake wars, quake 4, doom 3, rage.. did anybody give a fuck < 1324527697 271659 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't give a fuck about Quake 1 either. Mostly because I don't like FPS. < 1324527726 785781 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm okay with stealth FPS/RPG mixes < 1324527734 474955 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only you'd played Goldeneye~ < 1324527741 959036 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas I haven't < 1324527746 817763 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont play much games at all but i know that wolf 3d, doom, doom 2, quake 1 put id right up there on the ma[ < 1324527747 608615 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played Perfect Dark though < 1324527751 558910 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^map < 1324527752 31785 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite a fan of that < 1324527761 30632 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect Dark sucked but for the railgun < 1324527804 150570 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, but I did like Deus Ex: Human Revolution, apart from the sub-par graphics I liked it. And I did quite enjoy Fallout: New Vegas. I liked the VATS mechanics of that game < 1324527807 381958 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like to explain the problem with games but its kinda difficult < 1324527816 866486 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still prefer fantasy RPGs though < 1324527839 706778 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the good point about both Deus Ex and Fallout 3/NV are they are RPG/FPS mixes < 1324527844 165382 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't enjoy pure FPS < 1324527858 774366 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to play BGII forevr < 1324527868 504034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what game is that? < 1324527907 284595 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1324527933 773053 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, ^ < 1324527949 814665 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Baldur's Gate II < 1324527957 858136 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1324527993 802434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never played that, I do want to play Planescape Torment at some point, probably some of the Baldur's Gate games too < 1324527999 147256 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old Bioware games were /good/ < 1324528016 253969 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Planescape was awesome, too < 1324528020 73127 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, what would you say about a Baldur's Gate game with modern graphics? < 1324528021 998322 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Liked BGII bette < 1324528024 9711 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*better < 1324528029 625256 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently they're making a new planetside game. < 1324528030 726765 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't like it as much < 1324528033 139592 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one was pretty fun. < 1324528035 908922 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, oh? < 1324528037 321668 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not about the graphics. It's about the story < 1324528050 24923 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, well, with a equally good story as the original of course < 1324528051 97781 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The story is really deep and interesting, and the quests are fun < 1324528071 224815 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. I like that I can play BGII on any old machine from the last 10 years < 1324528073 870171 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's convenient < 1324528083 735131 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :intel graphics? < 1324528102 1298 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, anyway you will just have to wait another 10 years and that will be true for the new game :P < 1324528126 400510 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've played BGII five times through. No other game gets that kind of attention from me < 1324528152 950362 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never played a game 5 times through < 1324528172 857366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :witcher 2 I played 4 times < 1324528178 696588 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I doubt all newer computers will come with off-board graphics cards < 1324528181 479829 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are like 4 majorly different endings < 1324528199 519306 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, true. < 1324528211 673698 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, so say 20 years then :P < 1324528236 964134 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. my prophecy abilities get kind of fuzzy out there. < 1324528246 275180 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for me < 1324528272 666306 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm pretty excited that the world's ending. < 1324528281 268790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is? < 1324528281 774407 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of forgot about the whole 2012 thing. < 1324528286 60032 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1324528291 52937 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it say when in 2012? < 1324528302 566309 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I'm aware. I think there may be a specific date. < 1324528311 10784 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be worth checking that < 1324528361 237027 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :12/21 iirc < 1324528370 913228 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so almost a year left then < 1324528373 213910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no worry < 1324528701 679487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, speaking of games: I hate cut scenes not rendered using the in-game engine < 1324528711 305048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was one major annoyance with Deus Ex: HR < 1324528729 31577 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. They were nice in the middle Final Fantasy games < 1324528740 539825 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, never played any past the SNES ones < 1324528758 300613 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1324528774 479815 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, anyway with Deus Ex: HR they were like 720p upscaled to my much larger monitor < 1324528783 149459 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is horrible < 1324528834 352007 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :again I have to commend witcher 2 for that. I believe the only pre-rendered screens are the loading screens (and you only get them when loading a game and when it is loading data for the next chapter) < 1324528845 953864 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they are kind of like paintings or such < 1324528863 611422 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess I could screenshot that to show what I mean < 1324528873 591412 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck even the main menu background is rendered with the game engine! < 1324529058 670541 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i dont think nihil means the snes ones though < 1324529065 868924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1324529070 353706 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1324529082 491044 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well as everyone knows, snes final fantasies are the best < 1324529113 852556 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, maybe, I don't know < 1324529124 298781 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1324529125 676995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway here is the loading screen for chapter 1 http://whotookspaz.org/~anmaster/images/witcher2/witcher2_2011-12-22_04-41-20-47.png < 1324529138 871441 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everyone knows < 1324529142 17158 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't animated < 1324529147 991075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike the main menu background < 1324529168 381977 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously the progress "bar" (progress circle?) is animated < 1324529234 786668 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kebabbbbbbbbbbbb < 1324529243 857108 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :want < 1324529306 627174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems the image viewer in windows uses directx btw, since fraps shows the frame rate in it < 1324529320 960251 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so has there ever been a brainfuck with numbers? < 1324529336 962996 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, you mean like +4 instead of ++++? < 1324529348 343278 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1324529358 919899 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is common run length encoding < 1324529362 578028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fairly common < 1324529370 557127 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or >4 for >>>> < 1324529381 316342 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wrote BF-RLE a while ago
< 1324529384 748472 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1324529400 916038 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Base-something, >0 means >>> iirc < 1324529406 975445 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe bf joust can parse that by like +*5 or such? < 1324529418 707287 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, >0 = >>> what? < 1324529438 744618 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't the usual way < 1324529450 485078 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes the usual way isn't the best way < 1324529454 378468 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it makes more sense, I think, because then you get the most bang for every digit < 1324529537 528756 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kebabbbbbbbbbbbbb < 1324529541 392039 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I would just use gzip if space was an issue < 1324529551 213389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even xz < 1324529577 913320 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I'm not a huge fan of source code golfing btw :P < 1324529582 892494 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it was reading kebabbbbbbb which made me ask that question < 1324529584 521731 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just doesn't interest me hugely < 1324529594 544976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, what question? < 1324529604 117543 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the bf one < 1324529604 872712 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1324529607 739417 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya < 1324529640 814877 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting side node: .b is brainfuck and .bf is befunge-93 < 1324529671 767690 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is of course the question of whether doing that completely defeats the purpose of bfuk or if it introduces a new class of language < 1324529742 502038 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-210-79.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only real reason to us BF-specific RLE is for humans, Sgeo. < 1324529761 37191 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1324529774 244335 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and I take it humans don't like large bases and 0 meaning 3? < 1324529782 401723 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the bf compiler convert the sequence of + into a number internally? < 1324529792 450054 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-210-79.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Right. < 1324529803 705159 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-210-79.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: We humans use base 10. < 1324529804 195750 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops i guess its implementation dependant < 1324529821 559120 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, fast ones merge instructions yes < 1324529833 28708 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 used BF-RLE < 1324529833 916661 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1324529837 437638 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, like ++- into a single "add 1" or even "set memory to current + 1" < 1324529847 178143 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-210-79.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: zzo38 may not be human. < 1324529858 428844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, snap you beat me to it < 1324529882 821029 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I find bf optimisation to be possibly the most interesting aspect of bf < 1324529902 2814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Hello World < 1324529906 427020 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​109 ++++++++++[>+++>+++++++>++++++++++>+<<<<-]>>++.>+.+++++++..+++.<<++.>+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>. [161] < 1324529910 7286 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-210-79.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's actually pretty entertaining creating a moderately optimising BF compiler. < 1324529923 230529 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-210-79.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as generating reasonable Brainfuck. < 1324529929 525570 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like turning that into a fputs("Hello World", stdout) or such < 1324529950 839020 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I was thinking utterly optimising one :P < 1324529970 690338 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-210-79.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also true, but that's a bit more work. :P < 1324529975 554115 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that is one thing I do while waiting for the bus. Thinking about new ways to optimise bf < 1324529996 175297 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes implementing them are. It is much more fun to design them than to implement them! < 1324530025 851123 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is true in general of computer software < 1324530036 178935 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh god, am I turning into a PH?) < 1324530048 621625 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1324530163 624824 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what kind of techniques can you use to optimize brainfuck programs? < 1324530188 258436 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :aside from the obvious "group one or more [+-><] into one operation" < 1324530333 52150 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm actually they don't even need to be consecutive. if you can determine that + or - operations are performed on the same memory cell and computing their change all at once doesn't interfere with a loop < 1324530347 158614 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you should be able to do that without problem. < 1324530369 752544 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I doubt that happens very often, and I think the savings would be minimal in most cases. < 1324530372 422269 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-210-79.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Another fairly easy one is folding pointer-movement operations into the other operations. < 1324530385 917877 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"folding" them? < 1324530399 538962 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-210-79.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, mine folds ">>>++++" into Add 3 4 < 1324530405 611930 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have once written a program that does a few optimizations for brainfuck program. Some including brainfuck->brainfuck optimization, others can be done once compiling to something else. < 1324530412 729865 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-210-79.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Add 4 to p[3]", basically. < 1324530421 984811 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1324530437 154585 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-210-79.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing that is essential for just about any higher-level optimisation. < 1324530448 583619 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's a good one, assuming that you don't have to recalculate that offset over and over. < 1324530506 410964 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I don't think that would be an issue. < 1324530518 918969 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always going to be faster than manually moving a cell pointer around < 1324530547 228799 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice to be able to detect swaps and the like. < 1324530572 414066 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-210-79.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, a lot of what you do is pattern matching on common idioms. < 1324530604 661922 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for example if a loop decrements its dependent cell and adds to two other cells at the same time. < 1324530621 71453 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could eliminate the loop completely and copy the dependent cell into the two new cells, then 0 the dependent cell. < 1324530637 65065 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the optimizations I have done, however, are for when you are compiling something else to brainfuck, such as macros or something else whatever. Including cancel out -+ +- <> >< and to replace [[x]] with [x] and [+] with [-] to match them easily and so on. < 1324530672 513532 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah a number of loop eliminate tricks would greatly speed up code. < 1324530740 217413 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think cases like [->+>+<<] should be possible to spot in a somewhat general way. < 1324530802 27675 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also cases with two or more +'s can be converted into multiplication by a cell with a constant. < 1324530802 651663 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzlang looks interesting. i approve of the idea < 1324530884 788647 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't say i understand it though < 1324531013 712802 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, could you perhaps determine that a loop always halts when the number of >'s and <'s are even and there's a + or - at the starting location and all loops within it also halt? < 1324531035 358560 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/also halt/can be determined to halt/ < 1324531068 771275 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also by even I mean "are equal" not literally that there sum is even) < 1324531140 468724 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :more generally, if you count + as a +1 and - as a -1, the count of +'s and -'s on the starting location cannot equal 0 < 1324531219 252714 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of a counterexample where these conditions are true and the loop doesn't halt. < 1324531261 810350 :PiRSquaredAway!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324531264 76874 :PiRSquaredAway!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wikipedia credit cards 9 months interest freecorpus christi free legal advicecreate an robot freecollege free porn videocopy playstation 2 games free softwarecomic cartoon art free xcorn free pudding recipecollage sex videos free" < 1324531270 712318 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :really all that tells you is that you can run some loop elimination passes, and you now know that at the end of the loop the starting location will always be 0. < 1324531295 728746 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a loop is known to never halt and no I/O is done, the optimizer can emit a warning, replace that part with a idle loop, and delete everything after that point. < 1324531302 922819 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi pi < 1324531307 218636 :PiRSquaredAway!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1324531312 73094 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is, within a block, if it is within a block) < 1324531319 279098 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pi. are you a bot? < 1324531334 571265 :PiRSquaredAway!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: no, what do you think? o.O < 1324531341 383935 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: heh < 1324531346 912378 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your initial post was just a bt weird < 1324531351 588067 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bit < 1324531361 799856 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-210-79.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: You neglected "and there's no input on the current cell" < 1324531369 645245 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ah yes. < 1324531372 501000 :PiRSquaredAway!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the content of this wonderful spam page: < 1324531374 33514 :PiRSquaredAway!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Content_Server_Adobe_Download_Free < 1324531376 582253 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: those tricky IO operations. < 1324531400 479241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think cases like [->+>+<<] should be possible to spot in a somewhat general way. <-- we've discussed it before, it's a bit of linear algebra, euclid's extended algorithm and modulo arithmetic (assuming wrapping cells). < 1324531428 498445 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: also I think the opposite (this loop never halts) can also be determined with the same rules, and of course a , on the current cell immediately makes the halting problem unknown. < 1324531432 152599 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-210-79.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I don't *quite* get the algorithm (mostly because I've not bothered figuring it out), but I know that esotope-bfc does that. < 1324531470 746154 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: sorry about that. :D < 1324531476 607376 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1324531479 103334 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pir: < 1324531486 909294 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PiRSquaredAway: < 1324531489 806072 :PiRSquaredAway!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1324531512 678866 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what other cases does that algorithm cover? < 1324531548 432970 :PiRSquaredAway!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I'm stalking, pi, pir, pirs, etc. All the way up to PiRSquared17 < 1324531577 168349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: anything with no further nested loops, i think < 1324531578 838349 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot to put a space after "pir:" < 1324531602 257115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: btw +[++] never halts on common implementations (which don't have odd sized cell ranges) < 1324531604 173456 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the autocomplete doesn't kick in without something after it < 1324531617 347984 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah, indeed. < 1324531638 878871 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so, more generally, the number of [+-] cannot be an even number. < 1324531657 528556 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh..hmmm < 1324531658 537741 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind < 1324531661 763981 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a loop known infinite even in caes of input, and that loop does have I/O, then simply remove everything after that loop that is within the same block. < 1324531666 913382 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't really apply that logic unless you know the exact value beforehand. < 1324531672 27412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: um [++] without a + in front frequently halts. :P < 1324531681 487975 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1324531757 279366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: yes. this is part of what you can determine with modulos arithmetic. basically the gcd of the initial value and the +- total on that cell must divide the cell range size, if it's wrapping. < 1324531762 326277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*modulo < 1324531786 629094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1324531976 77224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee we need i+n*t == m*r, which means... gcd t r divides i. < 1324532043 588840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :extended euclid algorithm is needed to find n, and thus the actual number of loop iterations. < 1324532140 499333 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you could probably reduce the amount of information you need via some special cases. < 1324532156 709624 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like when the +- count is 1 or -1 < 1324532166 906954 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or (I think) odd? < 1324532167 589253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, as then you always halt. < 1324532192 698171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd with common cell sizes, yes. < 1324532223 683904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except unbounded, which is a bit different again. < 1324532420 424226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can calculate the gcd t r + n*t == m*r at compile time, and then only at most some simple division remains at runtime, i think. < 1324532446 224700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since only i can vary. < 1324532506 711449 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1324532582 55343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, "[[x]] with [x]" <- sure, but who uses the former? < 1324532608 343939 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, if no one mentioned it before, check out esotope-bfc < 1324532611 862501 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It might come out after some macro expansions have occurred and then some other things have been eliminated due to cancelling < 1324532622 70287 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck doesn't have macros < 1324532626 187997 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that is irrelevant < 1324532635 857394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: he was speaking about autogenerated bf, sheesh < 1324532640 496828 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1324532641 443858 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, but you might compile something that has macros into it < 1324532662 928798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then lostking.b has dead code in general < 1324532672 435350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which should have been optimised when generating it < 1324532941 963365 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing is that if a loop comes directly after another loop, the second loop can be deleted since it will never be executed (as in ][) and that can be used even with brainfuck codes written directly since it is sometimes used to add comments at the beginning or end of a program < 1324532964 54686 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A loop at the beginning of a program can be eliminated for this reason, such as comment < 1324532972 844435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a side effect of value tracking and dead code elimination < 1324532976 779204 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a macro system generated might put [-] at the beginning possibly < 1324532979 219504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to special case it < 1324532992 465913 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you just track which cells are known to be a specific value < 1324533075 278777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* now there's a troll on haskell-cafe... < 1324533126 320635 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh? < 1324533173 479858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an annoying guy claiming denotational semantics and bottoms don't make sense. < 1324533189 915539 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell-cafe has just me and another guy, is he a troll < 1324533228 137391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well the other option is too horrible to contemplate. < 1324533265 202847 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not quite sure if i'm a troll < 1324533273 492745 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have like a baseline < 1324533286 791065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but do you have a bottom? < 1324533335 547631 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i have been _|_ many a time < 1324533345 631018 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1324533348 994523 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds kind of gay < 1324533355 658974 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll keep using my plural. < 1324533363 741754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :o kay < 1324533379 410737 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a reference to something we discussed earlier < 1324533504 679101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well i guess this haskell-cafe discussion _is_ about what people would want to change in haskell if they made it from scratch. < 1324533525 1423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: okay < 1324533630 166229 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would add more monads < 1324533657 582502 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with haskell is that you have too few monads < 1324533683 803270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i have been trying to make a backward list monad and failed < 1324533692 919903 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean < 1324533748 834980 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey seriously #haskell-cafe is it? < 1324533758 362352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's an email list < 1324533762 23853 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would probably change some things including to make that Monad require Functor and join is a class method of Monad. But I would have other things changed too, such as having its own preprocessor with powerful instead of using C preprocessor < 1324533764 403898 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone is throwing a tennisball or something around in the hallway < 1324533782 215843 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it keeps hitting my door and i'm like omg someone coming in i'm way too naked for that < 1324533805 674338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the list monad gives an Applicative automatically, like every monad. now every applicative can be turned backwards by switching <*> with <**>. < 1324533811 540792 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also wouldn't have a if...then...else command, instead you can use a function that takes the boolean True/False as its third parameter < 1324533841 432452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is, does that extend back to a monad? starting with lists, the answer seems to be no. < 1324533845 221683 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you want a monad that gives the reversed applicative version of the list sure < 1324533878 885803 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*list monad < 1324533894 244840 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it seem not all backward applicative will be a monad even if the forward applicative is monad < 1324533916 467402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy to see that its join would have to be concat . transpose on _rectangular_ lists of lists. < 1324533928 642364 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously. < 1324533950 572761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the join . join == join . fmap join law breaks. and i think it's unfixable. < 1324533972 59369 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, so it would seem. < 1324533980 794257 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i have no idea what applicative is) < 1324533987 945789 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan > 1324533988 55163 NAMES :#esoteric < 1324533991 314382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric oklopol :oklopol < 1324534000 951937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan > 1324534000 974384 NAMES :#esoteric < 1324534001 557216 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1324534017 880986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOME PEOPLE < 1324534022 704026 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey not everyone likes cs < 1324534027 960711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i didn't suspect it < 1324534035 351325 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet you don't know what a derivative is! < 1324534043 770271 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :see < 1324534047 852913 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all have our strengths. < 1324534062 375752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure i know, it's a financial instrument responsible for much of our current crisis. < 1324534094 527818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by allowing bad debt to be hidden. < 1324534098 951748 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it means that a function resembles another function so much that its originality is questionable < 1324534157 680712 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest is just needless formalism < 1324534187 43995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1324534255 389786 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a knock on my door again < 1324534278 302560 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is getting weird, they aren't throwing a ball anymore (i'm starting to doubt if they even were) < 1324534284 396446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'll leave you to your orgy of fate -> < 1324534289 127416 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should prolly go see if it's a murderer or somethign < 1324534295 181810 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*something < 1324534305 60483 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to work also < 1324534791 225854 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-210-79.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324534799 13001 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324535251 194698 :tuubow!~adityavit@c-69-136-107-140.hsd1.nj.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324535361 28801 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a good operator for a substring test? < 1324535446 483256 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: zzo38's Dungeons & Dragons character may not be a human. zzo38 probably is human (whether is supposed to or not??) < 1324535637 578024 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, update. < 1324536143 732568 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1324536207 58792 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMPORTANT-NOTE: I wrote "whether is supposed to or not??" but actually I meant "Ka7xe8#??" < 1324536211 889017 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1324536310 406081 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1324536319 852570 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or.... possibly..... maybe not..... < 1324536322 530654 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1324536323 473409 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 welcome back < 1324536323 649903 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1324536376 15575 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 it was funny for me at the time since you were joining and leaving at a high rate. but the joke has expired < 1324536376 231130 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1324536423 619191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t isInfixOf -- kallisti < 1324536424 366055 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Eq a) => [a] -> [a] -> Bool < 1324536437 216990 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ha. ha. ha. < 1324536438 146308 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1324536440 324565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, easy, not efficient. < 1324536454 34299 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is merely a syntax choice < 1324536462 548560 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has nothing to do with a specific language < 1324536474 238167 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might go with Python's "in" operator < 1324536479 563675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in that case i recommend -<=!!-&*% < 1324536484 997566 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1324537262 270949 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: You are now graced with my absence. < 1324537516 164173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that looks like a Feather operator, but I can't decode it < 1324537527 710945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really must start using words for the names of things in Feather < 1324537537 81453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just /so tempting/ to make all the keywords strings of punctuation marks < 1324537550 279482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!#%/!!! < 1324537597 684030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at the topic
< 1324537612 74198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_that's_ what i did wrong, i never did that. < 1324537936 464913 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't come back and become a drug lord and killed yourself? < 1324537937 518807 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1324537951 166559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never even got to the far away part. < 1324537998 441367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it was never come back, duh < 1324538177 428708 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never came back and became a drug lord and killed yourself? < 1324538188 723153 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed < 1324538193 365428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1324538220 323062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm, i see the topic is ambiguous there < 1324538243 480857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish. < 1324538333 378864 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is actually getting into a good code/test rhythm.
< 1324538342 633105 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually I do massive amounts of coding without any testing, and then test everything all at once. < 1324538357 344824 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but today I'm implementing small pieces and testing before moving on to the next. < 1324538367 957707 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUCH BETTER < 1324538383 88137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :code/test/rewrite/break/scream/tear hair < 1324538403 670268 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i try that I often end up code/test/code/code/code/code/code/oops < 1324538442 46519 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are the words of lesser men. < 1324538447 42823 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then try to invent some "good" tests for the 100 completely new features from the coding part < 1324538452 520120 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is sticking to his incremental code/test thing.
< 1324538462 289062 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes I am a horrible tester actually. < 1324538469 131435 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because it's so tedious. < 1324538522 741314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :test/code/test/code/test/code, so goes the TDD creed. < 1324538537 347235 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you test before you code? < 1324538543 610311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In TDD. < 1324538548 90917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I* don't. < 1324538567 643500 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :In test-driven development, each new feature begins with writing a test. This test must inevitably fail because it is written before the feature has been implemented. < 1324538570 665972 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.....wat < 1324538570 964541 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why test? just write correct code dammit < 1324538578 671491 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people say it's the best thing ever, though. < 1324538637 890252 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I definitely think it will help me right now, but testing before you code seems kind of senseless to me. I guess it establishes exceptional cases or boundaries or whatever they're called < 1324538770 261762 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, ARPDOT < 1324538771 866541 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main benefit for me is a) I'm not coding for hours until my focus (and sanity) dissolves away b) I'm not testing for hours until my focus (and sanity) dissolves away < 1324538788 555977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would suppose it helps in ensuring test coverage if you stick to it, as well as making sure you have interfaces planned ahead. It's one of those XP things, I believe. < 1324538789 324806 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cycling between the two kind of refreshes my concentration. < 1324538943 349503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"eXtreme Programming" always sounds like you should be typing code in while base jumping, or something. < 1324538969 807314 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. < 1324538983 512597 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a thing on facebook called "brogramming" < 1324539060 58407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In "bronygramming", all your identifiers have My Little Pony-esque names. (Not a real thing.) < 1324539060 421847 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes "Brogramming" is listed as one of Mark Zuckerberg's interests. < 1324539089 356254 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.facebook.com/getwiththebrogram < 1324539127 28815 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that man realizes that drinking an entire bottle of grey goose probably isn't going to help him while programming. < 1324539338 334653 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/ballmer-license.png < 1324539358 2460 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what happens when you google image search "ballmer curve" < 1324539406 323014 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.quora.com/Brogramming/How-does-a-programmer-become-a-brogrammer < 1324540030 635128 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many Macs. < 1324540458 632073 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Him drinking an entire bottle of grey goose may help *me* with programming, though. < 1324540462 642450 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He won't be touching the code. < 1324540494 913556 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I find a few beers are fine. < 1324540568 315611 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: A bottle of a 40% BV solution of alcohol, however? < 1324540832 407697 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't understand what brogramming is < 1324540903 139383 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: probably not. I'm not at that level of alcoholism yet. < 1324540916 79408 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my stats arn't high enough. < 1324540962 353094 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and I probably don't want to know, either < 1324541053 534631 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Does "frat" have any connotations to you? < 1324541143 820586 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: not really... I know it's a thing they have in the us but I'm pretty sure we don't have them here < 1324541152 839795 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://haskell.org < 1324541180 882765 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Okay, well that's not going to help, then. < 1324541231 752835 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not much... < 1324541246 201656 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, should be heading off now anyway < 1324541264 883391 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: "Bro" in recent American parlance refers to guys who wear polo shirts, drink really cheap beer extensively, work out to "attract chicks", do protein shakes to aid with the previous, party a lot, and otherwise act like a bunch of people with significant portions of their brains missing. < 1324541292 269506 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternately: Jersey Shore. < 1324541300 452114 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 2h earlier than I usually get to work :> they'll think I went crazy or something < 1324541320 626167 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't seen jersey shore, but I have heard about it, sounds horrible all of it < 1324541337 660602 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so brogramming = jersey shore programming? < 1324541342 962437 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Approx. < 1324541361 705863 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not *quite* the same, but the connotations are similar. < 1324541459 755196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1324541537 467175 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I don't know, some aspects of brogramming connotate a positive image. < 1324541554 703335 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh! google plus' browser sniffing breaks down again... they should know better than to look at the browser version to figure out what it supports < 1324541564 512097 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: like being well-rounded physically and mentally, and having fun. but otherwise it's just programmers acting "cool" < 1324541612 909873 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Presumably you're coming into this with the word "bro" being neutral in connotation. < 1324541628 99651 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes. < 1324541648 887482 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Brogramming" is going to have as much of a positive connotation as chavgramming in the UK. < 1324541667 455287 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324541672 452529 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what's wrong with bro, bro? < 1324541673 431008 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1324541675 329322 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dear god don't make that a thing) < 1324541808 645276 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: a "thing"? < 1324541812 767178 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't make the word "bro" a thing. < 1324541826 894572 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you need to chillax, brosky. < 1324541845 6513 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he referred to chavgramming < 1324541848 463417 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1324541854 335245 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't make chavgramming a thing. < 1324541870 341463 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, fuck chillax. < 1324541878 818797 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not in a pleasant way. < 1324541938 499216 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder what happens if I delete my google+ "profile and added features", they'll probably mess up and delete my mail too < 1324541963 520811 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: uh, seriously? < 1324541967 876486 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think it would delete gmail? < 1324541985 751439 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it happened to everyone who got blocked from g+, iirc < 1324542010 187235 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay < 1324542062 27573 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that was different < 1324542109 740025 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was because people signed up for google+ and put their age in for the first time, and Google was like "hold on there,you can't be that young, I need to lock you out now" < 1324542165 532148 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that was a later issue, the first one was people who used pseudonyms in google+ and then google decided they'd done goofed < 1324542198 997179 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure they didn't lock people out of gmail due to pseudonyms < 1324542240 720557 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just avoid doing anything "weird" until I have a replacement for all google services I use :P < 1324542253 789267 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :locking people out was done due to the lameness that is COPPA < 1324542277 900606 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://support.google.com/plus/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=1350409 < 1324542303 539823 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :COPPA: because children don't use the Internet. < 1324542313 610563 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no, I don't *really* think it's likely they'll delete my mail due to me disabling google+ < 1324542328 427934 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's worth trying to migrate off of Google, personally < 1324542334 30595 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :just keep backups of important data < 1324542384 776049 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have a mail forwarding scheme such that I get a local backup of all mail) < 1324542410 392188 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not so much important data - I can probably live with losing most of the mails themselves < 1324542432 496980 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably keep backups of my docs < 1324542432 980998 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing that needs migrating is stuff like setting up a new e-mail address, figure out what's connected to the old one, etc < 1324542477 593986 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest I don't care about < 1324542482 966809 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah, that part is annoying < 1324542491 399415 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence my forwarding scheme < 1324542493 818448 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a giant funnel < 1324542498 923308 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it loops areound < 1324542499 999160 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*around < 1324542507 311609 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :to ensure that everything goes to multiple destinations < 1324542536 891455 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, off I go < 1324542715 611649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some people have reported losing access to all logged-in Google services including email, calendar, docs, even Android phone features. This seems to occur when an account is suspended for supposedly-more-serious Terms of Service violations, however, people like GrrlScientist have experienced this and have no reason to believe they violated anything other than the names policy. < 1324542715 827707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was claimed to be a “bug” and we were told that they would fix it. Here’s what Google’s VP of Product, Bradley Horowitz, said on July 25th: [strip "no, we're not doing it"] The frequency of these incidents seems to have slowed in the last week, but some accounts in this situation have not been restored, so this is still an issue." < 1324542720 954919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Source: Skud's blog.) < 1324542759 908181 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324542891 330622 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324543354 392906 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it turns out there is an "export all docs" button < 1324543356 934047 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah, ok < 1324543374 423341 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks for the correction < 1324543380 452153 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that bit wasn't intentional < 1324543484 332643 :tuubow!~adityavit@c-69-136-107-140.hsd1.nj.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324545397 351620 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it strange that I give my computer's female names? < 1324545409 595073 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :everytime someone notices my comp name they comment on it and I have to explain. < 1324545427 53248 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's similar to the practice of giving ships female names. < 1324545550 817922 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it strange that I pluralise word's with apostrophe's? < 1324545565 333129 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye's < 1324545598 286097 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But so many other peopl'e do it. It only seem's natural. < 1324545637 337033 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dont yo'u agr'ee? < 1324545672 276976 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: shush < 1324545680 578383 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll fuck up English if I please. < 1324545696 918268 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not writing a novel, research paper, formal proposal, news article, etc... < 1324545759 215433 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said yo'u we're writing any novel's, research paper's, formal proposal's, new's article's, etc's < 1324545773 854289 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google angry flower apostrophe < 1324545774 785446 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.angryflower.com/aposter.html < 1324545774 961831 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Bob the Angry Flower < 1324545954 714421 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm just saying there's no need to make a big deal out of it. It's unecessary. Yes, I've seen that. Yes I understand English grammar. Let it rest. kthx. < 1324545993 261160 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said I was angry! < 1324545995 954436 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just the flower. < 1324546014 192239 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said you were angry either. < 1324546017 523530 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but GOOD ONE. < 1324546025 212394 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :get it? cause he's angry. < 1324546031 20791 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a flower. < 1324546032 640965 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :rich. < 1324546040 340636 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it. < 1324546212 800271 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer pluralising wordś with the letter ś. < 1324546238 506948 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thingś like that are wonderful, as I'm sure all you peoplé will agree. < 1324546257 786084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to give Apple-made computers (of which we had two: two iBooks) female names. < 1324546321 986404 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has tended to go with Tolkein names
< 1324546441 878596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as Frood, Gandlaf, and such?-) < 1324547165 653840 :copumpki_!~pumpkin@host56-219-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1324547192 606171 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1324547341 990427 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I before e except WHEN I SAY SO is the rule, right? < 1324547372 140733 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I before e except after c but not always like in science. < 1324547420 259703 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That has got to be the most pointless "rule" ever phrased about English spelling. < 1324547465 157089 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rules? English? < 1324547494 837957 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: a deceitful naysaying rulehating fiend is not a friend of mine. < 1324547513 691071 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1324547551 997839 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :inb4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_before_E_except_after_C#Exceptions < 1324547639 53405 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: English has rules, to be sure. < 1324547664 803828 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those rules are something along the lines of "He who demands consistent orthography shall be shot". < 1324547686 379376 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: PRESCRIPTIVIST. RULES ENGLISH AM ANY NOT STRAWBREEKS. < 1324547748 760592 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Þy claims are folly, good ſir. Beſides which, I am not ſure of what þeſe "ſtrawbreeks" of which þou ſpeak'ſt *are*. < 1324547778 562481 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :English rules are just normative practices, bro. English is like... people, man. whatever people are. < 1324547813 405150 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`word 50 < 1324547821 690635 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coutacherld modwed nentichfor vensigkj sumarius re byrn nitesony hiancermezineitmasteh pitearturtoen acopois cocclick mil smunthayaggin ace tatula welle mendium neal amakiyanthenizhug libtisidsagostrangroff kailicas agillum ampelveri caft impoodoblatiterdie halfatlini sus stitsolisian sholus krovs heon ins momistumirine re prostssinstatnamurac azzel tepieniquerejlastauntiong cluselfomitnda de con apartors te vomperm < 1324547823 990334 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ now all of these are English words. < 1324547870 624359 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they? < 1324547873 122543 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1324547874 532642 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/word < 1324547876 914203 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl \ $VAR1 = { \ 'qz' => { \ 'e' => 1, \ 'k' => 1, \ 'a' => 1, \ ' ' => 9, \ 'i' => 1, \ 'o' => 2 \ }, \ 'sp' => { \ 'w' => 9, \ 'r' => 3173, \ 'a' => 5192, \ 'd' => 67, < 1324547884 435276 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: NO. THAT'S SECRET. < 1324547902 832461 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste bin/word < 1324547905 156838 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.23162 < 1324547916 555782 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... It's a frequency table of letters and digraphs in English used to generate "words"? < 1324547921 195113 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1324547928 413042 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a Markov model. < 1324547951 863624 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works surprisingly well, and will actually work better once I finish up recent improvements I've made. < 1324547953 770934 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, sure enough. < 1324547974 97756 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Markov models are really good at creating reasonable-seeming nonsense. < 1324547991 492704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Wouldn't you agree? < 1324547992 291062 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: bitwize that's usually only a strategy for using it to learn scheme well, have fun with whenever they suffer the same problem < 1324548003 213002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl < 1324548003 389887 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) < 1324548007 55 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A good 3/4ths of those seem to fit English sound-wise. < 1324548010 835322 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on, you know you want smunthayaggin to be an actual word. < 1324548016 439192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What is your position on the Markov model suggestion? < 1324548017 672547 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though they don't really fit morphemically. < 1324548018 568398 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, i will mention only the most important things we can deal with it not as a restriction on the use of litigation. so i believe that the current cooperation with the countries of the european dimension and the issues they have raised are ones on which parliament has had to be created and the extra conditions demanded out of the agri-environmental budget. the community programme ' europe against cancer' progr < 1324548047 430964 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Byrn" I can't believe is not English. < 1324548056 149283 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the next version will have around 24 datasets and will allow you to interpolate multiple datasets together. < 1324548080 108816 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: also (hopefully) the word ending code will be fixed so that it more closely resembles the lengths of words from its dataset. < 1324548105 915008 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, good, "byrn" is an English surname. < 1324548116 465394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Syck byrn." < 1324548139 466333 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes with short words there's higher probability of accidentally being real English, of course. < 1324548174 417507 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like most languages, English seems to have filled the single syllable space pretty well. < 1324548174 726494 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I bet that probability will go up when I up to gramage by 1. < 1324548185 938315 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/to/the/ < 1324548209 336243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The gramageddon. < 1324548217 709270 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though few languages fill that space as well as the Chinese ones do. Alas. < 1324548228 725514 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in the next version it will be the preceding 3 characters that determine the next one. < 1324548244 861942 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the language family, generally a syllable corresponds to a word or morpheme) < 1324548333 369483 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anglish is suprareor < 1324548361 269428 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`word 6 < 1324548363 627351 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :can copperia th uchente fe cougerever < 1324548368 345453 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :geafixzzwe bberegputsur < 1324548368 610832 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :th < 1324548386 21911 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Copperia" must be a country. < 1324548393 154320 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, if it isn't I shall make it so. < 1324548402 54352 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copperia is famous for its copper exports. < 1324548404 153998 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cougerever = lol < 1324548424 3859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ file busybox < 1324548424 180456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :busybox: ELF 32-bit MSB executable, MIPS, MIPS32 version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, with unknown capability 0x41000000 = 0xf676e75, with unknown capability 0x10000 = 0x70403, stripped < 1324548424 180644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ mips-linux-ldd busybox < 1324548424 180751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :busybox: not an ELF file. < 1324548424 180852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What." Okay, yes, it's statically linked, but it so is an ELF file. (mips-linux-readelf and mips-linux-objdump have no problems with it.) < 1324548652 432287 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1324548683 12147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy holitude that was confusing; for the lulz I tried to run it, and it actually ran without problems. < 1324548710 401569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out someone's set this thing up so that MIPS binaries get run by /usr/bin/qemu-mips-static automagically. < 1324548715 833268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be the qemu package. < 1324549179 424163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1324549354 97644 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: HI ELLIOTT HOW ARE YOU < 1324549358 899006 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD MRONING < 1324549366 364309 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR WAIT IT'S LIKE NOON OR SOMETHING? < 1324549375 867929 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suck at non-American timezones. < 1324549397 46641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually < 1324549397 258520 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1324549403 588217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:23 < 1324549408 876589 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah GMT < 1324549411 650467 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning enough < 1324549413 957130 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how. convenient. < 1324549419 753163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that /is/ morning < 1324549423 533047 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes indeed. < 1324549425 625111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i woke up at 9, after having gone to bed at 2 < 1324549428 802875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and was /well-rested/ < 1324549430 163893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf?? < 1324549430 343063 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :insane. < 1324549437 754642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need 10 hours sleep at the minimum < 1324549443 120833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can 7 be enough < 1324549453 577371 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that my sleep needs rapidly fluctuate. < 1324549462 480231 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 8 hours is fine normally though < 1324549517 180139 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, this is perhaps one of the stranger meals I've made. < 1324549574 71703 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good strange or bad strange < 1324549581 768993 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :macaroni and cheese with a dab of worcestershire sauce, ritz crackers with a choice of barbecue sauce or raspberry honey mustard dip (where do I find these things), and a glass of grape juice. < 1324549589 694254 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange strange? strange strange. < 1324549593 735179 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :typical american diet. < 1324549596 878901 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1324549636 140902 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worcestershire sauce is amazing. Did I mention that? < 1324549690 306575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, my attempt to bait apfelmus into answering my question has failed < 1324549706 951702 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically enhances the flavor of anything savory. < 1324549855 207699 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then again I'm kind of biased in that I pretty much love every condiment ever made. < 1324550094 151858 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324550204 51181 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find the similarities between teriyaki and barbecue interesting. < 1324550212 204011 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1324550233 220474 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're simultaneously cooking methods as well as the sauce used, and originate from different cultures. < 1324550267 479851 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googled for: barbecue teriyaki
< 1324550270 813002 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY'RE MERGING. < 1324550620 511892 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmite < 1324550629 327124 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :weirdest condiment ever. perhaps I shall try it one day. < 1324550712 68070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is marmite the same as vegemite, i think it is, i have had neither < 1324550721 27932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: help, i started understanding arrow notation < 1324550728 396389 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive never tried < 1324550729 815172 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it any good < 1324550832 686397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i guess so??? i am reading: an frp paper < 1324550852 858185 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1324550866 921948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2672791/is-functional-gui-programming-possible/8082179#8082179 quality stack overflow answers < 1324550870 333844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tm) < 1324550948 220446 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1324551003 733655 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, your reputation is skyrocketing < 1324551015 519773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: yes < 1324551016 216682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1324551016 683000 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's awake? < 1324551022 940243 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1324551037 399619 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Don't worry, your reputation will never change in my eyes. < 1324551061 308661 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lol wow < 1324551062 992721 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good answer < 1324551081 986324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: no < 1324551099 198552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: NOBODY BUYS SOFTWARE WRITTEN IN HASKELL, YOU DOUBLE CLICK THE .EXE AND NOTHING HAPPENS < 1324551118 557052 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I refuse to double-click things unless they're .LNKs. < 1324551141 917880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do you right click -> open the others? < 1324551156 621524 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :slect and return < 1324551171 575216 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, I right-click -> create shortcut, and then double-click that. < 1324551174 777528 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a silly question. < 1324551248 586604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Labels < 1324551248 763416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The simplest components are labels, defined as: < 1324551248 763590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :flabel :: GUI LabelConf () < 1324551250 334322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :flabel < 1324551254 317554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :flabble < 1324551260 169045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quality gui (tm) < 1324551272 587449 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :flable 2 was the best game < 1324551307 321198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*flabel < 1324551326 50622 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wtf you've had an account for 9 days and you're already up with people who have been stackoverflowing for years? < 1324551327 386773 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :flbl, fbl, b < 1324551343 45324 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Not sleeping helps < 1324551382 706193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Not really < 1324551394 566841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who don't use it regularly, sure < 1324551409 92828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean the http://stackexchange.com/leagues/1/week/stackoverflow/2011-12-18 ranking, that's per-week < 1324551412 330226 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah < 1324551424 790436 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so it like, drops from inactivity? how does that work. < 1324551438 781715 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand these arbitrary points systems. < 1324551446 382910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: No, I just mean that if you've been using it for years, you'll only have less rep than me if you don't use it actively < 1324551446 568746 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1324551449 337496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1324551477 391955 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you apparently have 5 silver pieces and 23 copper pieces. is stackoverflow an MMO? < 1324551483 450316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1324551485 240128 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1324551485 433017 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 26s ago: Tachaf < 1324551504 414243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/users/1097181/ehird?tab=badges ;; my precious loot < 1324551507 893732 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: As one person in this channel would say: What < 1324551514 242866 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh nevermind I misread the thingy on the user tab to mean total reputation. < 1324551520 918648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask shachaf What < 1324551521 111982 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1324551523 695064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: which thingy < 1324551524 812112 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but the 3 years people have reputation in the hundreds of thousands. < 1324551529 421428 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott Is this a question? < 1324551529 614478 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1324551532 744173 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: when you click users at the top of the page < 1324551533 92100 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1324551533 289552 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 12s ago: What < 1324551534 985010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: right < 1324551535 182926 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1324551554 109183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1324551554 302286 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf said 24s ago: Is this a question? < 1324551555 240244 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay I posted my first stack overflow answer < 1324551556 196695 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Anyway, I'm pretty sure telliott works better than Tachaf. < 1324551559 47134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask shachaf No. < 1324551559 238925 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1324551571 881802 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask elliott I knew it. < 1324551572 74038 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1324551583 113414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: It's actually impossible to surpass a lot of people at the top now, since the daily reputation cap hasn't been there forever < 1324551583 311713 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1324551589 695873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since they're not going to stop reaching it every single day < 1324551593 674408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weeell < 1324551600 263398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no cap on rep from accepted answers and bounties < 1324551609 927224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess if you worked in a team... < 1324551613 507649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :24/7... < 1324551615 129277 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@eval Don't want lambdabot notifying me. < 1324551617 353650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For like a year... < 1324551621 685636 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@eval I guess I'd better speak like this from now on. < 1324551624 738218 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1324551625 887407 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@Niklas, wouldn't it still hold? I mean if last [] = [] – Magnus Kronqvist 1 < 1324551626 117052 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1324551628 561955 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lol'd < 1324551628 743374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Oh dear. < 1324551740 332103 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't strictly speaking know any programming languages < 1324551744 777314 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT THAT WON'T STOP ME < 1324551748 435475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: You definitely shouldn't avoid . < 1324551775 782305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A page remains legible even if it doesn't work, and it improves usability for people using RTL languages. < 1324551832 737040 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@eval RTL LANGUAGES R DUMB < 1324551855 191134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although admittedly it doesn't seem like anyone implements it yet. < 1324551855 369184 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs.
< 1324551855 575551 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1324551858 815635 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1324551859 28248 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 5m ago: No. < 1324551871 919525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: But it's semantically nice and has no drawbacks for a browser that doesn't support it. < 1324551879 259102 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: wait what you don't know any programming languages? < 1324551899 424803 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, not well enough to answer most of these questions < 1324551912 261769 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm conversational in Haskell and Python < 1324551912 437967 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: i recommend you begin with the hello world language < 1324551912 736832 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Well, you know what they say. < 1324551916 643528 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think thats what its called < 1324551916 819631 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When life gives you marmals... < 1324551928 639542 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION could probably answer some Perl questions. Hopefully without making any mistakes.
< 1324551936 729611 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I take time to research a little to verify what I say. < 1324551954 899973 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you type a "h" as input.. and it produces "Hello world!" as output or something < 1324551975 197751 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a few languyages that do that < 1324551989 327122 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres also a case sensitive version which can be a quine < 1324551996 672117 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a language optimized for scanning arbitrary text files, extracting information from those text files, and printing reports" < 1324551999 649131 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol thanks SO < 1324552000 557078 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^insensitive < 1324552016 344316 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: perl? < 1324552018 829159 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1324552023 791295 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though they forgot to mention that it's also practical. < 1324552029 311226 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they got the extraction and report part < 1324552031 958086 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that it's a language. < 1324552032 752819 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear god I have reputation < 1324552035 779386 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1324552065 330548 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "optimized" might be the wrong word. you might get the impression that it's generally going to be fast. < 1324552074 554114 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: you are certainly well known in the hamlet of hexham < 1324552135 837977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers posting a better answer than Ngevd's, but decides he doesn't want to be recorded as answering an HTML question.
< 1324552155 627284 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I answered an HTML question. :-( < 1324552160 693902 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, JavaScript + HTML. < 1324552176 136573 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it was because someone linked to my website so I saw the question in the logs. < 1324552184 849897 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: The reason you have reputation without answering any questions is that your reputation precedes you. < 1324552204 225960 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I have answered one whole question! < 1324552207 280476 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poorly < 1324552221 190137 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma+ shachaf < 1324552224 682309 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :html? < 1324552227 753023 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it exciting < 1324552239 910897 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1324552256 309833 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was < 1324552320 8796 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1324552324 666134 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^html joke < 1324552330 643947 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1324552334 855186 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1324552339 185885 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1324552340 279204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1324552350 394939 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4;_; < 1324552356 523623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy is inside himself................. < 1324552356 997646 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1324552357 869412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1324552358 967117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grosse < 1324552364 681659 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1324552366 592970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh now we're double outside monqy... help < 1324552375 836523 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are we? < 1324552376 97679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an antimatter version of monqy < 1324552382 21547 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're in undefined monqy space < 1324552389 267205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you < 1324552392 962234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :know what the word "undefined" even means < 1324552394 782150 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i pfrefer defined monqy space... < 1324552437 481862 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well as it is ... where are we !?! < 1324552444 419 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no oh no oh no < 1324552459 778179 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can we close tags twice after opening once < 1324552464 264881 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot the escapes..... < 1324552470 821620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/partial-lens i like the idea but don't like the duplication with data-lens :( < 1324552479 96081 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the browser will act like nothing is wrong ;_; < 1324552483 884290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: you just ... unwrapped us again :( < 1324552489 115056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :were in < 1324552491 930327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yqnom space < 1324552501 584651 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the browser is apathetic to the grammar of tags < 1324552509 628396 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just toying with us < 1324552584 481670 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/>>/> < 1324552603 552928 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dead < 1324552673 63290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1324552969 137175 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1324553455 771209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1324553465 506447 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324553488 123655 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obs < 1324553488 325539 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1324553683 234392 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Facebook... seems to have exploded on me. < 1324553758 827480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try not using Facebook. < 1324553762 597942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION help
< 1324553961 428322 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rt.com/news/patriot-missile-seized-finland-415/ "­On board the British bulk carrier Thor Liberty, Finnish customs found 69 surface-to-air Patriot missiles and 160 tons of picrite explosives, being carried under the guise of fireworks." < 1324553970 971881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, new year's coming... but that's quite some fireworks. < 1324554069 725878 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait is Finland going to war? < 1324554082 710660 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please go to war please? < 1324554089 840786 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With Sweden? < 1324554093 827015 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :....... < 1324554098 735070 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAH FUCK YOU STACK OVERFLOW < 1324554100 671533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they're apparently going to South Korea. < 1324554103 413507 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it limits me to 2 hyperlinks < 1324554111 202399 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm new < 1324554117 408157 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they're going to war with Sweden? < 1324554121 836371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I like how I am making everyone do SO? < 1324554135 401623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: But yeah, I had that problem with my first answer; someone else added it in and it netted me over 100 reputation. < 1324554140 840988 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"reported Finnish Interior Minister Päivi Räsänen, who called the incident ‘abnormal’." < 1324554165 362821 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally, we don't seize any explosives at all. < 1324554176 600434 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, AUGH IT'S BECOME VIRULENT < 1324554193 553411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: "The logistics company moving the shipment insists the arms and explosives got on board the Thor Liberty “by mistake”." < 1324554247 934122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/users/1111591/kallisti < 1324554262 510959 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"See, what happened was, we had all these missiles in case of pirates, and all these fireworks, and we mixed the two up. The pirates were surprised too." < 1324554450 741295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also in Finnish news: there's been an EARTHQUAKE. Of magnitude 2.6 on the Richter scale. < 1324554474 720366 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you've found me. < 1324554479 264288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's news because some people, and not just instruments, noticed. < 1324554498 327432 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: er, actually, that's not me, that's the famous documentarian. < 1324554520 635064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1324554551 348981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Wow, it's even a non-terrible answer. < 1324554554 765118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might even... UPVOTE It. < 1324554555 715279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it < 1324554561 455358 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I answered the fuck out of that question. < 1324554572 601426 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably answered it too much. < 1324554576 661011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enjoy yr 11 reputation < 1324554576 837107 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Apparently it's news because some people, and not just instruments, noticed. < 1324554584 448916 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some Finns are actually seismometers. < 1324554588 684486 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: riding on the coat tails of legends. < 1324554590 524723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Dude, my entire philosophy is banging out gigantic walls of text in response to simple questions. < 1324554598 621673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: In one sitting, without editing back much. < 1324554602 678470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As soon as I see the question. < 1324554602 854910 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think it will be effective. < 1324554609 63292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Actually I'm not even sure anybody noticed, the article doesn't say. But there was a 2.9 (gasp!) quake recently, which apparently was. < 1324554626 781376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Magnitude: 2.0–2.9 -- Earthquake effects: Generally not felt, but recorded." < 1324554639 130670 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool so now I can add those links < 1324554697 411579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: No. < 1324554700 416451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: That requires 100 reputation. < 1324554711 266549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy to achieve on your first day, naturally. < 1324554732 802626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: (Accepted answers get you +15, and downvotes are rare.) < 1324554733 673820 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh < 1324554747 405887 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I wanted to provide link for scalar and wantarray < 1324554749 408593 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're cool < 1324554759 563130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Post in the comments linking to them, it's the same Markdown syntax. < 1324554763 570489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A good samaritan might edit them in. < 1324554776 581491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might even be me (probably not, I don't want the Perl taint). < 1324554781 666970 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost went into the ()=... trick to enforce list context but decided it was probably within rambling threshold at that point. < 1324554782 714300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That happened with my first answer. < 1324554844 951529 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print scalar (()=(35,26234,23)) < 1324554847 556116 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1324554848 736831 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so bad. < 1324554856 312570 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print scalar (35,26234,23) < 1324554856 776269 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :23 < 1324554933 53233 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you want to get the length of an arbitrary list? obviously that's just scalar (()=list_expr) < 1324554989 491239 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 upvotes yeaaaaah < 1324555024 615489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of those was me. < 1324555025 904887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \(x, f'), y) -> ((x, y), first f') < 1324555026 248053 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(line 1, column 12): < 1324555026 426300 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected ")" < 1324555026 604584 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :expecting letter or digit, operator, ",", pattern or "->" < 1324555029 859830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \((x, f'), y) -> ((x, y), first f') < 1324555030 70066 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncurry (uncurry ((. first) . flip . ((,) .) . (,))) < 1324555031 862405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice. < 1324555107 690938 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm aware. Do you think I can't read or something? :P < 1324555127 941413 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has earned a badge.
< 1324555133 671704 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pins it to his fridge.
< 1324555135 460226 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so proud. < 1324555143 491830 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a retracted proposal about a 'list' counterpart to 'scalar' -- http://www.mail-archive.com/perl6-language%40perl.org/msg03404.html < 1324555183 992066 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually kind of surprised that there's no way to enforce void context < 1324555192 74151 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though.... I know it wouldn't make any sense to do so < 1324555246 83226 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can participate in meta now. That sounds scary. < 1324555251 200624 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I want that. < 1324555252 826481 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, the Apollo guidance computers were made of 4100 3-input NOR gates. < 1324555287 69731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... it? < 1324555313 135695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to reiterate: HOW THE FUCK DID WE GET TO THE MOON < 1324555327 698702 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, the ones they actually used on crewed flights only had 2800. < 1324555337 675613 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, NOBODY KNOWS < 1324555344 804076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... DID WE? < 1324555349 866710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: >_< < 1324555351 575866 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We used ancient technology which has been lost in the tempest of time < 1324555359 521246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop it, 60s, you're making us look like idiots. < 1324555366 683333 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What were these 'NOR gates' of the ancients? < 1324555369 128148 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We may never know. < 1324555375 535389 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4db42c69.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324555384 77884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were shrines to the vengeful god Nor. < 1324555393 696656 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had eleven opcodes. < 1324555404 99005 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no. < 1324555415 84979 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eight opcodes; some had multiple functions. < 1324555472 527232 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f6f2.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1324555479 43621 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1324555575 280047 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why doesn't Perl compile to binary files like python" < 1324555579 579622 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lol'd < 1324555599 130338 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Answer it as sarcastically as you can < 1324555614 957882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: That would be a dumb idea. < 1324555629 771386 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence why I only have 11 reputation < 1324555651 601371 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH ALL OF YOU ARE DOING THIS < 1324555668 545406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: You just answered a question from November. :p < 1324555685 405871 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :November was THE BEST MONTH < 1324555688 271602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION upvotes it anyway.
< 1324555700 365283 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay < 1324555708 487683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want anyone to upvote mine though, feels like cheating. < 1324555720 743900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: JOIN US < 1324555722 671488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JOIIIIIN UUUUS < 1324555725 560 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1324555736 127420 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S THE SEAGULLS ISN'T IT < 1324555912 650955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're all pod people. < 1324556098 2382 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: hahahaha I have 21 reputation and 1 copper piece. < 1324556100 504043 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is winning.
< 1324556105 558528 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL SOON HAVE ALL THE COPPER PIECES < 1324556110 439608 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, so do I < 1324556114 888310 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/users/1097904/taneb < 1324556117 16755 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1324556132 456980 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also answered more questions than you < 1324556153 874354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kids. So funny. < 1324556155 886792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What can you buy with the copper pieces? < 1324556166 713850 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bronze dagger < 1324556169 442843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Absolutely nothin'. < 1324556196 752628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that place would be much more popular if you could buy some weapons and shoot other people's answers. < 1324556260 459670 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I found a glass tag expecting people to eagerly be asking questions about Glass < 1324556274 409841 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out it's something else. < 1324556276 226150 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking. < 1324556310 294600 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :must. not. answer. java. questions. < 1324557103 536313 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: this is merely an indication that my answers are of higher quality than yours. < 1324557446 171182 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1324557447 693858 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1324557664 390632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: you just answered a question from april < 1324557694 514950 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better Nate than lever. < 1324557712 590868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :| < 1324557796 644263 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm going through some uncommon tags. < 1324557800 441202 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :of various interests I have. < 1324557818 801283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Well sure, I guess if you're more interested in the betterment of humanity than reputation... < 1324557826 56647 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1324557827 746829 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1324557851 904051 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fruit are awesome. < 1324557859 44923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fruitses < 1324557859 903629 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fruits? < 1324557868 354256 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or apparently fruitses < 1324557890 158489 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how being delicious is a genetic adaptation. < 1324557910 488044 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The plant is just toying with you. < 1324557923 737492 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wants me to spread its seeds. < 1324557943 55742 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but instead we mass produced them for their delicious yield. < 1324557946 217093 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's even better. < 1324557961 170394 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're like the chickens of the plant world. < 1324557965 428756 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if fruits are getting more delicious. < 1324557977 284651 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we selectively breed them. maybe. < 1324557999 265615 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously. < 1324558006 666601 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you _seen_ a wild strawberry? < 1324558010 641721 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those things are tiny. < 1324558064 779159 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm okay so there's ACC on Freenode and STATUS on Rizon < 1324558079 378666 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the other ways to check for authentication on IRC networks? < 1324558087 430614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Dude. < 1324558095 184798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Have you seen a wild banana. < 1324558095 580322 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WANT ALL OF THEM OKAY. < 1324558099 309136 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes. < 1324558101 61791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: (Come on bananas are way more the obvious example hre.) < 1324558102 103496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*here < 1324558116 635900 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very few people have seen wild bananas. < 1324558123 97118 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wild strawberries are relatively common. < 1324558197 15165 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia: It was considered okay behavior to simply /ignore NickServ's notices, but an operator decided to /kill NickServ and use the nickname NickServ himself, subsequently collecting all identify passwords from users and being amused by that. < 1324558202 582946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The INTERNET has!!! < 1324558214 861159 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and being amused by that" good to know. < 1324558221 744074 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is tempted to [citation needed]
< 1324558262 844629 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324558301 555828 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1324558358 796880 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are all nickservs not the same help IRC sucks < 1324558412 625113 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so having /actual/ secure administratorship for a bot will be difficult. < 1324558423 91211 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, more difficult than I would like. < 1324558426 394316 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not impossible though. < 1324558721 722543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: with freenode authentication is in /whois. < 1324558726 699718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who the fuck uses non-freenode anyway < 1324558754 866524 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :plenty of people. < 1324558774 615914 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also I like nickserv's acc because it's a bit easier to check. < 1324558780 90001 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have to wade through the other data < 1324558787 920974 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just returns a status number. < 1324558835 274774 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, I think a lot of networks show authentication in whois so that may be a good idea. < 1324558900 462940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On freenode, you can use that cap identify-msg stuff. < 1324558965 141849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'm not entirely sure it's "identified with an account holding the current nick" or just "identified with some account". < 1324559004 865118 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elucidate me (totally incorrect usage of that word) on this "cap identify-msg" thing you speak of < 1324559051 574354 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324559054 853888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It prefixes each message with + or - depending on whether the sending user's identified. < 1324559065 747227 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://freenode.net/seven-for-hyperion-users.html -- they've recently changed the mechanism, though. < 1324559073 593144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be with 'capab'. < 1324559083 772921 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324559265 790234 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh look, an irssi script, written in perl < 1324559267 849348 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how convenient < 1324559272 289659 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :since my bot is perl too < 1324559276 836460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Got 1000 rep yet? < 1324559285 384080 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no I stopped caring < 1324559292 827722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's actually just "identified with services" indicator, it might not be very useful. < 1324559293 4570 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also people keep asking tough questions. sheesh. < 1324559393 380413 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I basically just intend to keep track of people's identification status when they join channels, and occasionally when they speak. < 1324559453 693677 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it would probably be easier just to check identification status when needed. < 1324559470 145130 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if my bot library can do that. maybe with a thread?? < 1324559471 604209 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324559484 820033 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how well it handles asynchronous stuff. < 1324559486 165507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pad: If you're serious about multicore parallelism then you need to forget about Haskell and study how real parallel programs are written. I explained this in detail in my answer but it got downvoted into oblivion in under 9 hours! – Jon Harrop Apr 9 at 9:00 < 1324559486 356645 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough privileges < 1324559490 128754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :delicious jon harrop tears :') < 1324559500 671049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how he sleeps at night < 1324559519 833493 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell: not really doing parallelism < 1324559550 863203 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe < 1324559557 36035 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell: not real programs < 1324559573 81280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell: not real, all in your imagination. < 1324559606 194944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it prevents the programmer from doing side effects. < 1324559613 758910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there's no reason the .exe that does nothing that the user won't buy even has to exist. < 1324559625 400834 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1324559693 27074 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well you need to know if your program has errors. < 1324559704 171840 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :partial functions can still produce errors even without side-effects. < 1324559730 470441 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I guess without a main function you have no actual order of execution. < 1324559789 421615 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1324559807 495064 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or input. < 1324559820 320820 :copumpki_!~pumpkin@host56-219-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1324559834 752391 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1324559951 847494 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324560074 567686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: A REPL has side-effects :) < 1324560075 708844 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324560165 956076 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1324560267 760829 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-105.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1324560311 874352 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: implementation detail. like seq. :> < 1324560483 465871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/kickban kallisti < 1324560596 764505 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though, I guess in a call-by-value language seq would be completely normal. hm < 1324560606 981148 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/normal/unside-effectful/ < 1324560890 34110 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1324560922 833242 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-3-12.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1324560923 174317 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-3-12.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1324560923 352235 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1324561041 661966 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=3lTd5LpB6Ao < 1324561045 191087 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god this is amazing. < 1324561192 276025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: you know seq doesn't have side-effects, stop trolling :P < 1324561299 166314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps I will sneak a link to my question in a feature request < 1324561363 547579 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can see how it's kind of ridiculous to say that evaluating expressions is a side-effect, however I'm not entirely convinced in this case that it isn't one in this case. < 1324561380 222454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: no. stop. please. you're going to make yourself look like an idiot again. < 1324561390 917200 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's all I have to say about it. < 1324561400 797230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. and that was enough. < 1324561486 885418 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps what is a side-effect depends on your evaluation model. < 1324561583 694509 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider the inverse of seq in a mostly call-by-value language. It forces its first argument to be non-strict and then returns its second argument. < 1324561592 496671 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that would be a side-effect. < 1324561592 993041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully, the definition of seq _does not depend on the evaluation model_ < 1324561602 218831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell specifies only a non-strict /semantics/, there is not even a notion of time passing. < 1324561610 471157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not discussing this further because it will just be a rehash of the previous idiocy, however. < 1324561676 433389 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A0CC.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324561679 407810 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to link me to the definition of seq in relation to Haskell's semantics. I'm curious. < 1324561719 745048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to encourage you by linking you to a document you can trivially find yourself. < 1324561737 889173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially when you are practically guaranteed to just try and warp it to fit your perception of things. < 1324561739 294306 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :encourage me to learn? shame on you. < 1324561745 678055 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I associated reputation points to the act? < 1324561752 849560 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll keep a tally. currently you have 0 reputation points. < 1324561848 9606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: You can't learn if you start with preconceptions. < 1324561882 623139 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's literally impossible to not have preconceptions. More importantly, preconceptions does not limit ones ability to learn. They're just placeholders from reasoning by intuition. < 1324561926 326089 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, I can see you wish to continue thinking I have never once changed a preconceive notion. Cool. < 1324561927 726240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is impossible to learn when you hold on to preconceptions about the thing you are learning. < 1324561932 47695 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go to sleep now. < 1324561945 342909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether you find yourself unable to eliminate such preconceptions or not is not something I particularly care about. < 1324562002 901574 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your reputation score isn't looking very promising. < 1324562012 611997 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I'll post it online so you have incentive. < 1324562015 241669 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night. < 1324562053 576703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, you used serious mode. < 1324562112 955117 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A0CC.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1324562171 704711 :tuubow!~adityavit@c-69-136-107-140.hsd1.nj.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324562897 991648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Is there a list of hackage packages that fail to compile with this release?" "All of them is probably a good approximation." < 1324564469 8265 :PiRSquaredAway!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRSquared17 < 1324564479 736166 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1324565011 745338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1324566106 777246 :FireFly!firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PART :#esoteric < 1324566212 904 :FireFly!firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1324566319 68336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1324566419 988497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA i mean hi < 1324566454 802136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :same. < 1324566530 441864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This account is a chimera of several user accounts following a stackexchange mix-up." < 1324566594 165497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :reassuring. < 1324566633 660438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes one wonder whether they've been chimerified in real life, too, following a stackexchange mix-up. < 1324566672 567646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way you're all now doing it, I suspect tomorrow a kalliottgevd will join #esoteric. < 1324566721 862976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1324566733 177119 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did you see that lambdabot message? < 1324566829 572225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's lambdabot < 1324566833 594370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, the account is still active. < 1324566837 297797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I wonder if they're all using it. < 1324566846 203499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: (Its name is "Complicated see bio".) < 1324566912 899077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're all each other's "it's complicated". < 1324566929 76059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought it was a complex marine organism. < 1324567041 896154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Come on, swat me for that. < 1324567068 471792 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1324567084 114504 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1324567288 159278 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1324567760 27244 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-216-52.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324567790 681765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"With words of pants stupid stuff." -- Saruman. < 1324567796 392799 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-199.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1324567816 269137 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but seriously, what did you think about those screenshots? < 1324568539 721586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were made out of bits. < 1324568542 788547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Paddleball is a fun game, but, as defined here, it only plays one game. Our < 1324568542 965363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :first refinement to the game is to add a restart button that allows us to play < 1324568542 965534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, as show in figure 5." < 1324568547 17402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yessss, more Paddleball! < 1324568658 278080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unfortunately sensing minimum and make peace s terminal take Thompson together." -- Saruman. < 1324568719 124723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What. < 1324568753 196297 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, sometimes he's not very coherent. < 1324568774 327349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least when seen through Youtube's "transcribe audio" feature.) < 1324568788 670964 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "This account is a chimera of several user accounts following a stackexchange mix-up." // what account? < 1324568916 151840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Students... What do you want, dozens of gray matter? Yes... fifty-year-old sign, or perhaps it is a product to itself, along with the problems of the second thing that is the road to the following questions", muses Saruman. "Literature is irritating students. Citizens need this!" counters Gandalf. < 1324569112 761852 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, there seems to be a bunch < 1324569203 764565 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324569580 971144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "Complicated see bio". :p < 1324569677 944922 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Can't has URL? >_> < 1324569707 597187 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy crap, there ARE a lot of them. < 1324569722 48287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Nah, there's only one. < 1324569726 716845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just has accounts on multiple sites. < 1324569744 664870 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1324569745 139565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://meta.superuser.com/questions/3663/dark-hacking-my-account-name-got-changed-from-randolf-richardson-to-complica ;; and the main owner doesn't understand how OpenID works :P < 1324569757 870165 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohyeah,all the same number. < 1324569885 691642 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324569916 825170 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Wow, he severely doesn't understand OpenID X_X. < 1324569922 291682 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of calling my next esolang Salvador, in the spirit of Piet < 1324569925 294095 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You guys should password-protect your OpenID. < 1324569927 283652 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cuz hackers. < 1324569989 318265 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D9C3.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324570019 48552 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, did they seriously trust the email reported by OpenID? < 1324570022 646561 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cuz that's a legit guffaw. < 1324570031 565725 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe Pollock < 1324570044 616041 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Jackson < 1324570063 430979 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pollock would be a good name for an esolang. < 1324570077 394351 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Piet-like language using the web-safe pallete < 1324570086 749292 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With 215 functions < 1324570088 462794 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1324570154 55185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No, they didn't. < 1324570159 177024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some unspecified database mixup. < 1324570175 115476 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1324570194 45287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It would take some supremely bad thinking to design a login system based solely on OpenID from the ground up, and then key authentication based on the reported email rather than the OpenID itself :P < 1324570257 87242 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1324570356 640594 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.. < 1324570399 434612 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some of these functions are getting silly < 1324570417 41034 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have inverse hyperbolic cosecant < 1324570442 270700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: guess who has a haskell question :D < 1324570518 189551 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also making a four-letter or less short name for each function < 1324570529 874158 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That probably won't be in the final spec < 1324570536 998066 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ACCH" < 1324570544 497685 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PRM?" < 1324570545 801308 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"E" < 1324570610 655321 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1324570614 151814 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is -1 prime? < 1324570686 274695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's -prime < 1324570707 379884 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its only integer factors are 1 and itself < 1324570732 697252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no idea < 1324570761 913288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: MEEEEEEEEE < 1324570771 537466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1324570779 606973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :75 over 7.5 :/ < 1324570791 809705 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :10? < 1324570792 952241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDdddddddddddddddddddddddddd ok so < 1324570802 664448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :say I want a function f, which can be specialised to all these types: < 1324570815 180181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f :: (forall a. F a b) -> b < 1324570820 163739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: -1 is a unit, like 1, and units are not primes. < 1324570828 980350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f :: (forall a b. F (a,b) c) -> c < 1324570835 71279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f :: (forall a b c. F (a,(b,c)) d) -> d < 1324570835 551988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1324570839 903353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more generally basically < 1324570854 136687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(F x y), where x is either fully universally quantified, or a tuple of fully universally quantified variables < 1324570859 232923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can I do this with a typeclass :( you can't do < 1324570864 472786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Foo (forall a. F a b) < 1324570935 467509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea, i don't understand how universal quantification interacts with other things. < 1324570940 388607 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,.,[.]!:D < 1324570940 567772 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD ... < 1324570962 41552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sheesh :'( < 1324571096 917221 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only defined 71/125 commands and I've got a self-modifying language with complex numbers and trigonometry < 1324571137 185033 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I will go now < 1324571140 51647 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1324571146 530683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about f :: (forall a b c. F ((a,b),c)) d) -> d < 1324571154 759591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that also included < 1324571182 371378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er if you fix the parens yes < 1324571226 386329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can you define data Forall t = Forall (forall x. t x) ? that might help. < 1324571228 291322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically f :: (forall {xs}. F a b) -> b iff a is zoopy, where "x is zoopy" is defined as: x is either an element of xs, or x = (y,z) where y and z are zoopy < 1324571236 177176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even newtype < 1324571240 243021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yep < 1324571245 875012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype < 1324571275 498540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you should be able to do instance Foo (Forall (F a)) < 1324571298 243544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... class Foo t where f' :: t a -> a? < 1324571327 27923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forall (F a) has kind * < 1324571331 682256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er right < 1324571336 226719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does Foo look like, then? < 1324571348 610928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno you wrote it above < 1324571381 960317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: er well it was just an example... < 1324571393 727770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm maybe with a type family... < 1324571401 175795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wait, yours is the wrong way around < 1324571403 233915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs to be Flip F < 1324571433 783876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah. < 1324571515 975548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Foo t where < 1324571516 198584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : type Out t :: * < 1324571516 198793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : f' :: t -> Out t < 1324571516 198901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Foo (Forall (Flip (->) r)) where < 1324571516 199012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : type Out (Forall (Flip (->) r)) = r < 1324571516 806098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : f' (Forall (Flip f)) = f () < 1324571518 925046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that works < 1324571520 861645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(setting F = (->)) < 1324571528 712625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to figure out how to generalise this to allow the tuple inputs... < 1324571847 963987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1324572691 632858 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was serious the whole time, pooplord. < 1324572837 386462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't make fun of poor zoosmell's death < 1324573062 443027 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324573096 689709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: help, i like arrows. help, i like arrowised frp. i am become shadow of former self. < 1324573123 910772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :data ForallTree where { FABLeaf :: (forall a. f a) -> ForallTree f; FABBranch :: ForallTree (ForallTree2 f) -> ForallTree f }; newtype ForallTree2 f a = ForallTree (Curry f a); newtype Curry f a b = Curry (f (a,b)) < 1324573146 702508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/FAB/FAT/g, i guess < 1324573248 144161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*newtype ForallTree2 f a = ForallTree2 (ForallTree (Curry f a)); < 1324573332 380558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or thereabouts. < 1324573413 902856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: heh, nice < 1324574329 527152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that's right, though, the branching may be too dynamic rather than static < 1324574382 580385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would be more concerned that there is no way to type f _itself_ because the constructors can't be composed with it due to rank-n-nses < 1324574384 348066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ness < 1324574490 707454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm i was imagining f :: ForallTree (Flip F r) -> r < 1324574626 393643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, which isn't the type of f I wanted... < 1324574634 870104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :grmble < 1324574639 21673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so some additional mangling has to be done to get it in a form that will accept the relevant types < 1324574671 479719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should note that I have rapidly convinced myself that class Unit a where unit :: a; instance Unit () where unit = (); instance (Unit a, Unit b) => Unit (a, b) where unit = (unit, unit); f :: (Unit a) => F a b -> b is equivalent :P < 1324574759 471579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if that's all the types you need to use < 1324574808 551346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well there's no point using any other type, as F is necessarily agnostic to the values it's passed (modulo seq etc.) < 1324574810 787719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's function-esque < 1324574976 143749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would assume that would depend on what F is. for F = (->) i can see that class is enough. < 1324575015 233678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but another F might have a different method for constructing the resulting b < 1324575085 843422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine. < 1324575126 999714 :micahjohnston!~Adium@207-108-177-137.slkc.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324575192 487577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :say if you had something like newtype F a b = F ((a -> Int) -> b) < 1324575212 538265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no that's too simple. < 1324575337 424432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you really cannot make an F that requires more than just a way to construct a values. < 1324575444 192239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's an arrow F < 1324575449 313553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so function enough :P < 1324575465 778396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1324575474 334313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: type families are one obvious way to create a pathological F, anyway < 1324575495 870600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok < 1324575505 193843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but constructing a value of type (forall a. F a b) becomes difficult. < 1324575508 472479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one might even say impossible. < 1324576394 199502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: How many swats are reserved for making fun of Norwegians? < 1324576446 711970 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK SLEEP WHO NEEDS IT. < 1324576521 787107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in that case, expect a swat team. < 1324576546 681340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm fucked :'( < 1324576564 498165 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Congratulations! Was it your first time? < 1324576567 982941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was only a matter of time. < 1324576580 995064 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ^5 < 1324576594 510985 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha, a SWAT TEAM < 1324576597 586881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mumbles something about oklopol and 50 pounds.
< 1324576629 151552 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/nm7vz/what_is_lambda_calculus/c3a9gp8 < 1324576635 296346 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This person is indeed no expert. < 1324576693 20980 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1324576702 246195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: niiice < 1324576755 313149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/nm7vz/what_is_lambda_calculus/c3aaa3c < 1324576761 487428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The least forced thing ever. < 1324576800 88706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does some forced eye movements at that.
< 1324576827 743347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am curious if there is a handy name for a relationship that is neither Injective nor Surjective? I understand such a messy thing is a terrible function." < 1324576850 273012 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x) = x^2 < 1324576861 752556 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(: R \to R) < 1324576865 206537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: no shit < 1324577028 173640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do physicists ever stop abusing math? (self.math) < 1324577033 213399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I hate you for making me read /r/math. < 1324577066 80833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note: Sorry for the text wall, this kinda became a rant." It's... two medium-size paragraphs. < 1324577205 740756 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional programming (the kind they use for artificial intelligence) :D < 1324577240 906029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't claim to understand the terms or even what I'm about to type out, but this is the "complete lagrangian of the standard model of physics" (which I assume governs kinematics, EM, whatever): < 1324577241 84079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nuclear.ucdavis.edu/~tgutierr/files/sml.pdf < 1324577241 84276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you use this to formulate consciousness? Physics runs into problems with a system of bodies n > 2." < 1324577250 882828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: physics runs into problems with a system of bodies n > 2 < 1324577274 582883 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1324577305 164021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: he deleted his comment < 1324577308 489015 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Augh, that Lagrangian. < 1324577310 202973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coward! < 1324577316 634500 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cemetary: an unsolved system of bodies in physics. < 1324577318 36423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION deletes his own.
< 1324577343 266344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I want it on a t-shirt. < 1324577364 640329 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What'd you say? < 1324577381 735778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "Wrong wrong wrong", to a first approximation. < 1324577773 357631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1324577837 245803 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`word 25 < 1324577840 125065 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ma hilidprotelf alcestifough fwyntornellukoa istramelbilly hen vily dendent achmermegalderood ers icruchyplau mshabom mars bisloya syarkabysconcon winffeibeclatinathudos reshb renfromentekaka apallumpsnm ingerne edefle venmel lonityolcurs zooty vcllley < 1324577854 772932 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`word 25 < 1324577857 530683 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :waphintiapuppro erperissimpaiy moolluianeuified balastempticonieran bed sphing utsedge vessuntinerretia khong lant ig heepto bro gras woryle nazzawadatse asia ardech gle storigida gescumbougb hagolea burtoppivols edo vulphalt < 1324577872 298195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Da_Vinci_Code_For_Free < 1324578566 315205 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1324578599 300980 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: best esolang < 1324578669 94906 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324578787 326335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :45 over 5.5. I am way more dedicated to this than kallisti and Ngevd. < 1324578846 489397 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: if you change the numbers in the first sentence, you get most of the things elliott has said to me this week. < 1324579010 326542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Excuse me, I've also said that Scotland doesn't exist? < 1324579015 522237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q.E.Zepto? < 1324579339 353505 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1324580956 28340 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-206-241.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324580972 642402 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-216-52.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1324581403 206972 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Scotland was obliterated by a burst of zepto? < 1324581441 768068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes. < 1324581444 312427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Obviously. < 1324581456 651261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funeral services will be held last Sunday, travel by zepto. < 1324581476 743601 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't make it, I parked my TARDIS next Tuesday. < 1324581557 192099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Just bring it back with a touch of the old Feather. < 1324581590 539755 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That would cause a temporal line < 1324581593 806533 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't have those. < 1324581669 802420 :tswett_!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324581695 935963 :tswett_!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suomi koira limsa karkat vantas pohjoinen. < 1324581713 808555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Topologically equivalent to a 4-dimensional timecube, though. < 1324581717 35870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's ok. < 1324581760 843508 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, not a timecube! < 1324581771 893896 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are unstable! < 1324581870 831338 :tswett_!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, don't worry. Math is timeless, so even the unstable stays the same. < 1324581885 788710 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett_: That's the danger of a timecube. < 1324581895 998862 :tswett_!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It changes mathematics? < 1324581904 732825 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With relation to time, yes < 1324582530 378324 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1324582560 773684 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this good so far? < 1324582561 155327 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1324582570 662487 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I read this messages already. < 1324582711 30329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is what good so far? < 1324582809 400933 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I don't know. < 1324582871 564339 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot. < 1324582928 699793 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm food. < 1324582942 534653 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :;;;000-----00000ooolll; < 1324582958 96367 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : D? F? SAturanate < 1324583033 907189 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-206-241.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324583047 911874 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-58.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324583134 18114 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324583195 194700 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1324583231 83541 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much money does my Dungeons&Dragons character have? (no looking please) < 1324583246 590344 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :�700 and 20 pence < 1324583289 344730 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1324583299 568193 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: What character encoding are you using? < 1324583319 352689 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure < 1324583322 206478 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I mean in copper coin, silver coin, gold coin, platinum coin. Not in pence < 1324583337 881135 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first symbol was a pound symbol, btw < 1324583349 725840 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I guessed it might have been a pound symbol < 1324583462 126628 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324583626 268950 :copumpki_!~pumpkin@host88-63-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1324583634 266630 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but an operator decided to /kill NickServ and use the nickname NickServ himself, subsequently collecting all identify passwords" Will that work only if you send a message to NickServ, or will it also work when using NS and PASS commands? < 1324583670 49030 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1324583675 363291 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would work using NS and PASS commands < 1324583684 324569 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It all goes through NickServ < 1324583688 994833 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did this happen < 1324583707 283193 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. Someone mentioned that in this channel < 1324583747 84887 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However it should be proper to make NS and PASS ensure it is sending to actual services only, I would think < 1324583781 946632 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would it do that? < 1324583811 13700 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NS is, I think, done by the client? < 1324583823 128739 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, NS and PASS are both server commands. < 1324583879 302600 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My client doesn't know what NS is and yet it still works, so it must be a server command) < 1324583912 305596 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the easiest way to tell if a user is identified? < 1324583915 819900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/whois < 1324583920 664936 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1324583921 798585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes... this guy on SO has 52 questions and 4 answers < 1324583924 686820 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gonna test something < 1324583938 229379 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I'm not, nevermind < 1324584107 383466 :copumpki_!~pumpkin@host88-63-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it NICK :copumpkin < 1324584107 687385 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@host88-63-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it QUIT :Changing host < 1324584107 863505 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1324585075 972632 :nooga!~nooga@86-63-82-221.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1324585141 997955 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: psh I can't believe only one person has upvoted my 4 paragraph textwall since yesterday. < 1324585157 577673 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOOK AT ALL THOSE WORDS. IT'S GOT TO BE A GOOD ANSWER. < 1324585500 470409 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have the disassembled codes for TrivialOW.13 virus < 1324586025 201394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only this improved semantic model was as convenient to work with as it is to show it's immune to several errors found in previous models < 1324586093 846312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :'NICKSERV' is, I think, the server command, officially; but maybe 'NS' is an alias? < 1324586116 665752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do think at least current freenode server doesn't ever let a client connection change nick to "NickServ" anyway, even if services are offline. < 1324586139 426028 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I wasn't aware services had a comman. < 1324586142 769795 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1324586186 371528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "/msg NickServ" always makes me feel vaguely uncomfortable, so I tend to "/quote NICKSERV" instead. (The "/foo to /quote FOO" automagic also makes me feel vaguely uncomfortable.) < 1324586227 551011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You should use zzo38's IRC client. No /quote required. < 1324586266 236377 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you're just an uncomfortable guy aren't you? < 1324586292 31098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324586300 748243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1324586311 59334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1324586323 805766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations on having a better sleep schedule than mine < 1324586339 647080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just woke up? < 1324586345 377124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1324586349 383329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1324586349 642995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I woke up at about 7pm < 1324586485 858626 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other thing in my IRC client, is if you use PASS then it will mask the password < 1324586521 620635 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://haskell.org < 1324586693 821698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have the wiki styles gone wrong for you? they have for me < 1324586701 798353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be precise, the sidebar starts below the bottom of the content area, on every page < 1324586737 633674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1324586745 547874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try resizing browser / flushing cache / etc ? < 1324586747 326592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*etc.? < 1324586766 31169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried flushing cache < 1324586769 70124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll resize the browser next < 1324586790 404418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't help < 1324586810 606645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia looks fine, although it's not surprising that it'd have been updated < 1324586823 902202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, but BlogNomic wiki doesn't < 1324586837 253863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's something about how Firefox 9 is interpreting old versions of Monobook < 1324586878 539312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: probably "firefox 9 with my settings" < 1324586890 141647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: possibly < 1324586901 491593 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I solved my lucky egg problem the bruteforce way < 1324586905 590296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the fact that it works on Wikipedia implies that Wikipedia's monobook has been changed to work around the problem < 1324587088 156069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, anyone know a good tool for diffing CSS rules? < 1324587094 28838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :diff < 1324587101 639156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they're in a different order in the two files < 1324587119 329792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… what if I remove all newlines between { and }, then sort, then diff? < 1324587234 369693 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324587294 634387 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D9C3.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1324587352 89524 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324587352 266132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, no good, diff is still not matching them up correctly < 1324587797 200414 :augur!~augur@65.199.61.221 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324587803 11858 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I do not want to be someone who has to write a Pollock interpreter < 1324588141 479696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this makes no sense < 1324588147 886007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the relevant styles seem to be the same here and on Wikipedia < 1324588161 107080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's computed styles via Firebug, so even if it's adjusted with JS the difference should show up) < 1324588175 497003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only difference is that there's a position:relative on Esolang but not Wikipedia; but removing it makes no difference < 1324588194 250633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you might need to do more than remove it < 1324588205 119930 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324588208 808736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, I wouldn't bet on CSS layout code results being always-consistent like that < 1324588225 532026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try making a local copy of the page by Ctrl+Sing and finding the CSS file and removing that rule < 1324588225 719351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as a sanity check, it renders fine on Epiphany < 1324588232 129244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and load it from scratch < 1324588239 889988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it'd have to be a with-all-dependencies local copy < 1324588249 142312 :Nihilis__!~ND@ip040029.uvm.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1324588251 93999 :Nihilis__!~ND@ip040029.uvm.edu QUIT :Client Quit < 1324588323 390901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: good thing firefox saves those by default < 1324588326 417086 :nooga!~nooga@86-63-82-221.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1324588333 469804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has since, umm, before 1.0 < 1324588338 129934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know they exist < 1324588345 868511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably /netscape/ saved pages like that by default < 1324588352 858830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even then, Wikipedia's style loading is crazy < 1324588361 297734 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1324588470 226592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, interesting: if I remove the width: on Wikipedia, it expands to fill the width as you'd expect, if I remove it on Esolang, the sidebar disappears completely < 1324588559 551357 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's music I like? < 1324588642 95691 :NihilistDandy!~ND@ip040029.uvm.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1324588671 108962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: aha, found the offender: it's KHTMLFixes.css < 1324588673 195117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Esolang < 1324588678 411953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: wat < 1324588682 351777 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1324588685 194540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: firefox "khtml edition" < 1324588692 625256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumable cause of the problem is that Firefox is in fact not using KHTML, and that Esolang is misdetecting it < 1324588696 249949 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I can't think of any music I like < 1324588705 875951 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but I want to play AudioSurf < 1324588811 470412 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screw this, I've got a Stranglers CD < 1324588830 592927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: the best music is /dev/urandom < 1324588872 393524 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah PDF files are way better < 1324588908 610033 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my entire filesystem is a symphony. < 1324589059 971673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need 5 reputation in 2.5 hours. :/ < 1324589075 975817 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1324589156 619119 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mplayer -demuxer rawvideo -rawvideo w=640:h=480:fps=30:format=rgb24 /dev/sda < 1324589165 56201 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the best. < 1324589176 871439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...why did I never think of doing that < 1324589214 591850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Targets (44): recode-3.6-6 enca-1.13-2 a52dec-0.7.4-5 libvpx-0.9.7.p1-1 libftdi-0.19-1 libirman-0.4.5-2 lirc-utils-1:0.9.0-8 x264-20111030-1 libmng-1.0.10-4 < 1324589214 768271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : libdca-0.0.5-3 aalib-1.4rc5-8 lame-3.99.3-1 libvdpau-0.4.1-2 libasyncns-0.8-3 libogg-1.3.0-1 flac-1.2.1-3 libvorbis-1.3.2-1 libsndfile-1.0.25-1 < 1324589214 768444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : json-c-0.9-1 libpulse-1.1-1 talloc-2.0.7-1 cifs-utils-4.9-3 tdb-1.2.9-1 smbclient-3.6.1-1 xvidcore-1.3.2-1 opencore-amr-0.1.2-1 < 1324589214 768551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : libsamplerate-0.1.8-1 jack-0.121.3-4 cdparanoia-10.2-3 libmad-0.15.1b-5 libtheora-1.1.1-2 libcaca-0.99.beta17-1 xf86dgaproto-2.1-2 < 1324589217 81079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : libxxf86dga-1.1.2-1 fribidi-0.19.2-2 libmp4v2-1.9.1-2 faac-1.28-3 faad2-2.7-2 orc-0.4.14-1 schroedinger-1.0.10-1 mpg123-1.13.4-1 libass-0.10.0-2 < 1324589220 53453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : libbluray-0.2.1-1 mplayer-34426-1 < 1324589222 56775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a dependency list >_< < 1324589228 452425 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mplayer? :) < 1324589230 155587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I wonder wtf mplayer is doing with JSON... < 1324589243 39188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes. < 1324589250 458314 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1324589253 134250 :kallisti!~eris@h161.35.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324589253 498016 :kallisti!~eris@h161.35.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1324589253 674347 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1324589301 500283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: JSON in a media player seems reasonable, as JSON in anything that might want to store metadata seems reasonable < 1324589334 736955 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The person guiding me through Doctor Who says that Series 2-4 is mostly bad. I don't want to believe him. < 1324589350 830026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Fuck him, Hartnell is tha bomb. < 1324589359 211504 :augur!~augur@65.199.61.221 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324589399 544930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CSS badly needs a useragent selector < 1324589427 480893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the problem is, I can fix this for Firefox, but I can't think of a way to do so without simultaneously breaking it for KHTML < 1324589433 876221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :KHTML is dead < 1324589441 349484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure even Konqueror uses WebKit these days < 1324589442 200088 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1324589448 118164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it happens to break WebKit too… < 1324589463 28975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, I'll just do the Firefox-specific fix then test in Chromium < 1324589474 727739 :tswett_!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1324589477 137158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would just rip out the hack
< 1324589479 319349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's what you meant < 1324589484 546087 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-199-63.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324589489 116727 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in the ... whatchamacalling. After 2005 < 1324589508 902521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I know. Anyway, isn't that the entire Tennant years? < 1324589509 939603 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-199-63.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Doesn't Konqueror still use KHTML? < 1324589519 12705 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think so < 1324589519 464925 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here we go, I've found my Muse < 1324589537 819615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: The Tennant years were the absolute highpoint of the series, once they hit their stride; far superior to Eccleston, as entertaining as he was. < 1324589553 562527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Then Moffat takes over and Matt Smith comes in and it all goes to hell. < 1324589559 791286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enjoy it while it lasts. < 1324589573 85554 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this person really likes Moffat < 1324589580 861039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: The Tennant-Moffat episodes are the best, but Moffat is a terrible showrunner. < 1324589605 436142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He thinks ~unexplained mystery~ after unexplained mystery is an acceptable substitute for engaging plot. < 1324589625 759105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I gave up on Moffat very quickly, so this is mostly second-hand knowledge, but it's backed up by more than one source.) < 1324589632 899447 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-199-63.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Moffat did some really solid episodes in the Tennant era. < 1324589648 946204 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-58.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1324589654 215945 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-199-63.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem is, if his episodes make up the entire series it's just bleh. < 1324589657 652049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/some raelly solid/the best/ < 1324589683 397094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blink and Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead are pretty much the series' highpoints. < 1324589706 698657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*really < 1324589734 206498 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-199-63.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like taking a good pastry chef and having him do cake for every course of a meal. You may like cake but you'll fucking hate the chef pretty soon. < 1324589753 223081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: But yeah, series 2 is spotty, but series 3 and 4 are amazing. < 1324589795 787421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, fixed < 1324589803 79630 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plug in Baby is AMAZING in AudioSurf < 1324589814 374391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Human Nature/The Family of Blood, Blink, Utopia/The Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords (well, I liked it, anyway), ... blah blah blah, they're all good. < 1324589828 268791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, this is ridiculous: if margin specifies four margins, the left of which is 0, it works; if margin-left is specified as 0, it doesn't work < 1324589839 139668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so apparently the left margin and the margin-left do different things < 1324589845 684300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the page layout depends on which is specified more recently < 1324589883 109211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sounds like a bug < 1324589887 275849 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you and he agree that Blink is good, at least. < 1324589887 867402 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1324589897 521744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm < 1324589902 806974 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's a Doctor Who fan somewhere who dislikes Blink. < 1324589908 410381 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me < 1324589912 603265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: seriously? < 1324589916 560526 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1324589918 310145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1324589928 199020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, looks fine in Chromium, so I guess it does affect KHTML specifically < 1324589929 595912 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Blink the one with the Angels? < 1324589934 148164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1324589972 557916 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :While it does have some good quotes, the way the Angels worked ruined my suspension of disbelief < 1324589992 938968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Doctor Who /doesn't/ normally? < 1324589997 452602 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And The Empty Child was much better < 1324590000 222500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Suspension of Disbelief: The Show < 1324590015 192197 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-199-63.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doctor Who's premise is "Suspend your disbelief, we're going for a ride!" < 1324590037 861978 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-199-63.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are literally dealing with a hand-wave mechanic'd time travel show. < 1324590043 915592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, they're quantum or something. I think the Doctor explained it all with about 3 seconds of nonsense. < 1324590058 819982 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, I do find that somewhat hard when space and time collapses in a nonsensical way < 1324590064 826831 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-199-63.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timey-wimey ball. < 1324590075 906405 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. Pandora's Box/Big Bang or Season 6 finale) < 1324590080 503816 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1324590092 189600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you watched the smith series before the tennant ones? srsly? < 1324590126 270223 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324590128 908133 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did see Blink as my first Doctor Who episode, if that helps < 1324590136 787780 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then a few others from the Smith series < 1324590141 700711 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, not Smith, Tennant < 1324590145 389723 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, no < 1324590150 909199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smennant < 1324590152 493182 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, wait, yes < 1324590181 20798 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, do you like Doctor Who in general? < 1324590186 402397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(6/6) checking package integrity [############################################################] 100% < 1324590186 579331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(6/6) checking for file conflicts [############################################################] 100% < 1324590186 579531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files) < 1324590186 579640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :filesystem: /etc/mtab exists in filesystem < 1324590187 402120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded. < 1324590189 64525 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Empty Child/Doctor Dances (yes, I know not Tennant), SitL/FotD < 1324590189 240824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :errr.... < 1324590196 470769 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then after that, just Smith, I think < 1324590214 6355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what the web needs: some way to specify the md5 of a script/image/whatever that's included by reference < 1324590227 78818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that if it's already in cache, even from another site, then the cached version can just be used < 1324590238 343375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ETag < 1324590246 873308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not surprised it exists < 1324590251 16041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do browsers care about it? < 1324590253 799376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm < 1324590255 626516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, they need to < 1324590260 677782 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes < 1324590263 652029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ETag is a header-based solution and everything uses it nowadays < 1324590270 654773 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, do you like Matt Smith's Doctore? < 1324590273 243286 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Doctore < 1324590273 466689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but it seems like what's /in/ the ETag is defined by the server < 1324590276 7646 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Doctor < 1324590278 75057 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... < 1324590288 9188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, anyway. < 1324590290 748489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, that's pointless if it doesn't work cross-server < 1324590293 31258 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I prefer him to David Tennant, but preferred Christopher Eccleston to the both < 1324590310 583936 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, your opinion is invalid, enjoy your /ignore?? < 1324590315 471113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you'd do something like