< 1324944256 913317 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://haskell.org < 1324944325 758642 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324944626 811098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: It doesn't provide any UTF-8 functions, so I'm not sure why you picked that excuse. <-- iirc fizzie said it had unicode support? < 1324944636 297227 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like u8"foo" < 1324944675 308529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log u8 < 1324944683 9782 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs u8 < 1324944685 711279 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog u8 < 1324944686 989553 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1324944694 296850 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008-06-24.txt:20:45:55: however "extern inline" and "inline" without extern have reversed meanings beteween gnu89 and C99 iirc < 1324944694 912766 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.3080 < 1324944699 787792 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.30914 < 1324944729 36524 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, 2011-12-24.txt:13:07:23: Anyway, for string literals "foo" is in char with unspecified encoding, L"foo" is in wchar_t with unspecified encoding, u"foo" and U"foo" are in char16_t and char32_t, respectively, with unspecified encoding unless those macros are defined; and, finally, u8"foo" is also in char, but explicitly UTF-8 encoded. < 1324944737 942291 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, fizzie ^ < 1324944742 132535 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I trusted him < 1324944751 601677 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de PART :#esoteric < 1324944770 25415 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it wouldn't apply here, due to SOCK doing byte IO anyway < 1324944784 417341 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I TRUSTED YOU FIZZIE < 1324944788 701289 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I TRUSTED YOU < 1324944797 482468 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, INDEED < 1324944798 103898 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, I said it had UTF-8 literals approximately one line below, jesus christ. < 1324944806 709051 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't mean it has any functions. < 1324944814 966994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, well... that is stupid < 1324944881 803766 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, you could write a perfectly cromulent UTF-8 library in fully portable C99; what you _couldn't_ do is write any kind of literal that has any kind of guarantee of being UTF-8, AFAIK. < 1324944889 260023 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it adds the thing you couldn't technically do. < 1324944896 727743 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that nobody actually has a problem with that and the library would be useful. < 1324944912 841730 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true < 1324944936 570397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, fuck WG14 (iirc?) again < 1324945032 415604 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does C even need updates? Why are they publishing new standards. < 1324945046 36912 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the only reason the working group even exists any more is to employ people. < 1324945088 288528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1324945123 585830 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, well, someone need to spend a year talking about how to best to correct a minor typo that didn't actually change the meaning of the standard < 1324945131 850135 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a vitally important job < 1324945137 625360 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be performed < 1324945252 327900 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: --Vorpal "Funge-108" Vorpal < 1324945270 219393 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, that died out < 1324945294 101659 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, anyway you have to admit Funge-98 is way less precise than C99 < 1324945311 220940 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mycology is more precise :) < 1324945418 418773 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, yes but there are two issues with it: 1) it is a test suite, not a carefully worded spec, thus making it more work to figure out why something went wrong 2) it is not actually official as such, thus meaning it doesn't carry the force of an official spec < 1324945426 824585 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a lot of trouble seeing reasons to avoid typeclass abuse if it makes things easier. < 1324945437 654574 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im dead inside now < 1324945441 328748 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :again < 1324945441 793447 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it is abuse? < 1324945470 465694 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it doesn't make things easier, because there is a better way, because ;_; < 1324945481 660413 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hint: when you do terrible things and argue above your level of expertise and demonstrate extended ignorance over a period of time without devoting a large amount of effort to trying to understand why many others who are more experience than you are telling you to not do something < 1324945482 623473 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: nobody < 1324945483 344702 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: will < 1324945484 232353 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: want < 1324945484 927034 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: to < 1324945485 851128 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: help < 1324945487 402001 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you < 1324945505 25094 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :save the questions for before you ignore everybody < 1324945514 999967 :nys!~nys@96.44.77.235 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324945783 62039 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: There is precisely one encoding, and that is UTF-8. < 1324945824 283795 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C does not ship with a cromulent UTF-8 library, it ships with an ASCII library and a wishy-washy "wide character" library. < 1324945829 829892 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus, C is fundamentally broken. < 1324945849 317941 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, precisely one encoding for what? < 1324945857 655531 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Text. < 1324945893 652950 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, I'm aware there's technically other encodings, but as far as I'm concerned there's UTF-8, pointless isomorphisms with UTF-8, and broken) < 1324945907 779798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION forces pikhq to use some weird DOS code page < 1324945930 947013 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: imagine if there were people like you in 1991 < 1324945946 779785 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, that would have saved a /lot/ of trouble < 1324945949 503008 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: NO DON'T MAKE ME USE LEGACY JIS < 1324945971 143078 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you have to use CP864 < 1324945976 560739 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is for arabic < 1324945982 909190 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: '91? That predates UTF-8. < 1324945984 332685 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to learn that language now < 1324945992 211970 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: either you don't understand what i'm saying or are weird < 1324945995 302891 :TheLittleOne!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324946000 595734 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: '91 was when unicode 1.0 was published < 1324946005 595859 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: Yup. < 1324946015 552704 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, I mean, people doing it right earlier on would have saved a lot of trouble < 1324946021 248331 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "there is precisely one encoding and that is " < 1324946032 897546 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1324946034 124978 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that < 1324946044 852988 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: Hell, I would even accept UTF-16 *if* it got to be ubiquitous. < 1324946045 322975 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah, yeah, unicode is a character set, not an encoding) < 1324946050 304139 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Character_encoding <-- what a mess < 1324946054 289864 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode has many problems, in my opinion < 1324946070 888922 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it is on windows < 1324946072 555975 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes, but it has fewer problems than essentially all the alternatives. < 1324946076 176792 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: my point is that the zealotry doesn't really help because if we build systems that can't handle changing encoding then they won't be able to adapt to anything better than unicode < 1324946079 629830 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In the API. < 1324946084 419929 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has the effect of entrenching unicode forever < 1324946088 450054 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that and ASCII. At least you can detect which is which from the byte order mark < 1324946091 292360 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and surely stagnancy is not a property we should aim for. < 1324946096 825001 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody could claim that unicode is perfect < 1324946128 463245 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: What I'm *trying* to say is that we should try not to encourage further use of legacy encodings. < 1324946133 685872 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed unicode have many problems, starting with there being multiple encodings of it < 1324946150 980067 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And C not having a reasonable handling of UTF-8 built in is one of those. < 1324946159 397100 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1324946168 24453 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is one thing that encourages further use of legacy encodings. < 1324946173 266594 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well, I'm not sure C actually has an ASCII library. < 1324946179 310823 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isalpha is locale-dependent, after all < 1324946182 884459 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, what about string.h? < 1324946188 446182 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1324946195 990834 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: Strictly speaking it has an "8-bit character set" library that on common systems amounts to an ASCII library. < 1324946197 836069 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ctype.h too < 1324946198 806903 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, to take advantage of that, "unsigned char" has to be able to store every character you care about < 1324946204 188054 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 8-bit! 8-bit! < 1324946208 885926 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: char doesn't have to be 8 bits! < 1324946215 562942 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: Minimum 8 bits. < 1324946228 215821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, it has to be 8 bits or larger and a multiple of 2 bits iirc? < 1324946228 789690 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm saying that you could have a 32-bit unsigned char with correct isalpha() behaviour, etc. < 1324946231 755909 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1324946234 254874 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C's deficiency is tying everything else to characters < 1324946237 275416 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Just 8 bits or larger. < 1324946238 845390 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps power of two bits < 1324946243 169226 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd be restricted to >=32-bit types, and a lot of space would be wasted, etc. < 1324946251 243175 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And anything more than that is only found on the Deathstation 9000. < 1324946254 91389 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think C actually forbids a Unicode implementation at all < 1324946255 13504 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVM is designed better than C. < 1324946259 284323 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm. What were the old POSIX restrictions on char? < 1324946278 347153 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, before it decided "exactly 8 bits due to intersection of old rules and C99 rules" < 1324946288 565653 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: which is presumably why wchar_t started existing: so that you could implement decent character semantics without the knock-on effects of a larger char < 1324946289 110101 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. < 1324946307 442739 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a hunch that text handling is outside of C's domain in the first place, though < 1324946311 677299 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: Of course, wchar_t itself has problems. < 1324946315 429738 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe wchar_t is 16 bits < 1324946319 555876 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/char/byte/g and remove all the functions that purport to operate on text < 1324946320 917368 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-32 is a variable-width encoding. < 1324946323 176221 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is a pain to interface with < 1324946324 478322 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, helpful: Not shouting at me constantly < 1324946326 449410 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people can use a unicode library if they want more < 1324946333 279830 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem there is that IO is system-dependent :/ < 1324946334 841138 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used ncursesw at one point < 1324946337 426944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a PITA < 1324946338 544991 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wchar_t is *typically* 16 bits. < 1324946355 24513 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah what i just said to you was all full of the rare sight known as a "lowercase shouting" < 1324946363 515552 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I needed Swedish output) < 1324946385 234246 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: Meh; C is a bad language if you want portability anyways. < 1324946392 86871 :TheLittleOne!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1324946394 414409 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's called exasperation, you're responding to criticism and advice by just ignoring the bits you don't like and insisting on going with what you are, and then inciting people to re-defend what they've already defended without you having attempted to rebut them < 1324946401 346109 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At a minimum you need POSIX. < 1324946402 550127 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wears thin quickly < 1324946413 234362 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it is what current systems are built upon sadly < 1324946413 927333 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah. iirc C doesn't even have directory handling. < 1324946423 194490 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some layer all common systems today are C < 1324946423 999692 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at all. < 1324946430 621200 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: Yup. < 1324946441 835549 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you quite need POSIX though :) more like intersection(POSIX, Windows) < 1324946444 479111 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: That's so you can implement a conforming C system for DOS 1.0. < 1324946452 35335 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is basically C with bare minimum system interfaces < 1324946476 973981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, problem is, POSIX call it foo(char*, int) while windows calls it bar(int, HANDLE, char*) < 1324946500 404879 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: eh... mcmap compiles on both POSIX and Windows save the platform-specific header files < 1324946504 312216 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and implementation files < 1324946510 258047 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it does /networking/ < 1324946514 478468 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly glib smooths over some differences < 1324946526 869220 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can the Haskell type newtype T v f x = T (T x f v -> f x); have join? < 1324946529 145825 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, indeed. Also windows use almost-bsd-style sockets < 1324946530 568912 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite < 1324946534 379372 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :void socket_init(void); < 1324946534 540780 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :socket_t make_socket(int domain, int type, int protocol); < 1324946534 540888 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :void console_init(void); < 1324946534 540930 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :void console_cleanup(void); < 1324946534 540971 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmap_handle_t make_mmap(int fd, size_t len, void **addr); < 1324946535 356289 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but very similar < 1324946535 517470 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmap_handle_t resize_mmap(mmap_handle_t old, void *old_addr, int fd, size_t old_len, size_t new_len, void **addr); < 1324946538 388460 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :void sync_mmap(void *addr, size_t len); < 1324946540 327324 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ definitions of socket_t and mmap_handle_t < 1324946542 645441 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is all mcmap needs that isn't common < 1324946543 797190 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, apart from network you run into more differences < 1324946544 721270 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Windows uses ported BSD sockets. < 1324946550 701399 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not just BSD-style. < 1324946556 125085 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I thought function names differed? < 1324946558 717155 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well... < 1324946561 781668 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :socket_t make_socket(int domain, int type, int protocol) < 1324946561 943337 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ < 1324946561 943457 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : return WSASocket(domain, type, protocol, 0, 0, 0); < 1324946561 943501 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1324946562 335277 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's actually a port of the 4.4 BSD stack. < 1324946563 842080 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need that < 1324946568 196932 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it be made a category if type argument are moved? < 1324946570 464402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, heh < 1324946576 42116 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what colloinkgravisom said < 1324946577 499084 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*With* a tiny couple of additions to integrate better with Win32 oddness. < 1324946579 858182 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: windows doesn't have socket() < 1324946582 61984 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yaeh < 1324946583 99293 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Win16. < 1324946583 260556 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yeah < 1324946598 190894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, anyway try output anything but ASCII or colours to the console, as far as I remember you will run into issues on windows then < 1324946598 735125 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: dunno < 1324946610 438149 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not colours, those have to be done with api calls < 1324946615 352921 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe you can load that ansi.sys thing to make it work < 1324946616 779495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, ah < 1324946626 46869 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically windows supports all the ansi stuff but only via syscalls :P < 1324946626 891850 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANSI.SYS is only for DOS programs, I think < 1324946629 606618 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, anyway the windows console is stuck in DOS codepages iirc < 1324946632 854856 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah, ok < 1324946643 387501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, from what I remember of trying to output Swedish chars during a lab at university < 1324946644 225699 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hmm, that would surprise me. there's powershell and all that which reuses the terminal < 1324946652 426759 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would seem distinctly 90s if that didn't do unicode. < 1324946654 897876 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's .NET and all. < 1324946685 393026 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange. At a *minimum* I'd expect it to do Windows legacy codepages. < 1324946687 618796 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, I /think/ you can do some wchar_t stuff to make it work. Except you still need different code for Windows and Linux to get something like åäö properly output < 1324946705 886762 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I bet it infers which charset to use < 1324946709 492285 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with char? It is code page mapping of those chars < 1324946727 780202 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well that's the c interface not the console :P < 1324946739 534616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, possibly < 1324946747 421686 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, I just know it is a PITA < 1324946749 312127 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOS executables -> DOS codepage, Win32 command line -> Windows legacy codepage or Unicode, depending on what the resources say < 1324946760 333748 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well it could be windows legacy codepage < 1324946782 939238 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what it wasn't was UTF-8, UTF-16 or even the same encoding that visual studio used when you wrote the letter in the file < 1324946791 482224 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, I'm pretty sure you started out speaking in a hostile way, and misunderstanding what I was doing. Even though I see a way to proceed without typeclass hackery, your attitude does not help me realize that. < 1324946815 580966 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, if you do puts("åäö"); in visual studio you ain't going to get that out < 1324946833 298756 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Recent Visual Studio is almost certainly using a UTF. < 1324946839 989968 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, most certainly < 1324946844 470281 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I think it was vs2005 < 1324946847 45691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember < 1324946849 452633 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be 2008? < 1324946859 18420 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, jeeze, Windows *95* supported UTF-16. < 1324946867 249863 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: sigh. you've moved from phase I, denial, into phase II, indignancy. i would be less harsh if your behaviour wrt terrible ideas was not so completely predictable. like i said: whatever, code what you want, but at least i have dibs on saying i told you so when it doesn't work like you want or how it should for the reasons I said. < 1324946879 516281 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i didn't misunderstand what you were doing at all, also. < 1324946880 384497 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(long filenames are encoded via UTF-16) < 1324946893 256356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, what is phase III? < 1324946897 875719 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said it was incomprehensible; that doesn't mean i didn't understand what you were trying to do. < 1324946908 758010 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: dunno. i usually stop listening before that happens. < 1324946912 934211 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, :D < 1324947014 799130 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, for science you must check the next time < 1324947348 985626 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: here is the last i will say on the forkCap thing: haskellers expect the text of a program to portray its meaning. they expect a single expression to be abstract and mean one thing; building other expressions out of them should not drastically change the meaning of a subexpression. this is a directly anti-magic philosophy: we (and by "we", i mean "people actually experienced with haskell") expect code to mean what it says, and say w < 1324947349 147281 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hat it means. when we see "makeCap forkIO", we expect makeCap to do some transformation on an opaque value of type (IO () -> IO ThreadId). we do not expect "makeCap (forkIO . buildIOActionFromGivenString)" to cause a fundamental change in meaning just because someone broke the semantics of the language with dangerous and easy-to-misuse extensions. but by "inspecting" the types like this, you introduce such a fundamental meaning change. a < 1324947349 447177 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nd indeed, we do not expect "makeCap (id :: a -> a)" to mean one thing, but "makeCap (id :: IO () -> IO ())" to mean another. again, your "solution" (if it works; I would expect it to blow up on id, actually, due to the polymorphism) breaks this. even the "n-argument" thing breaks this: "makeCap (id :: a -> a)" vs. "makeCap (id :: (a -> b) -> a -> b)". such a thing is interesting only as a fun perversity, a "what not to do". to call it " < 1324947354 475384 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier" because it obscures meaning, makes abstraction far more difficult and confusing, and acts in a brittle, unpredictable manner that "looks" at its arguments in ways we do not expect well-behaved black-box abstractions to... is one of the worst applications of the word "easier" i can think of. and it's not like you have any real excuse for any of this, either, as i already presented a dirt-simple solution with no hackiness at all th < 1324947359 485458 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at properly used the capabilities of the facility you are trying to utilise, Safe Haskell. < 1324947450 610111 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324947496 578421 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you for the Safe Haskell IO a -> Cap a solution, btw < 1324947535 521664 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do feel uneasy with it, because it seems almost too easy that someone might write a Cap () to do whatever with it and claim that this usage is safe < 1324947555 527837 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do the exact same thing with makeCap. < 1324947595 644031 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course in the ideal object-capability solution nobody can synthesise a capability like that, they can only compose new ones out of the ones they've been given. it's just that the IO functions in Haskell represent the capability to do anything. < 1324947604 371230 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously constructing capabilities from that is a very risky business. < 1324947614 970243 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no way to avoid that if you're embedding capabilities like this. < 1324947630 203659 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why you have to minimise these "points of failure". < 1324947632 253759 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1324947653 797406 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see the issue with makeCap though. Unless someone uses unsafePerformIO, the capability they create can't just be used by some malicious Cap < 1324947700 16004 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do { let cap = Cap (print 42); ... } === do { cap <- makeCap (print 42); ... } < 1324947727 826199 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your only use of IO in the original was to restrict capability creation to maximally-privileged things (which happen to be the same things that can execute IO actions, coincidentally) < 1324947732 255287 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Safe Haskell already has this capability. < 1324947757 13910 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1324947757 863851 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : But I do feel uneasy with it, because it seems almost too easy that someone might write a Cap () to do whatever with it and claim that this usage is safe < 1324947767 204713 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"to do whatever with it" is way too vague to actually answer < 1324947778 912781 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so unless you have an actual concrete example of how this is less secure (it isn't, in any way)... < 1324947877 22297 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :launchMissilesCap :: Cap (); launchMissilesCap = Cap launchMissiles -- I think I need to understand Safe Haskell a bit better. But suppose someone wrote a library that did this < 1324947881 278680 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And marked it as Safe < 1324947904 724022 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: so what you're saying is < 1324947908 428556 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you install malicious libraries < 1324947911 471236 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and provide them to user code < 1324947912 622687 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess it would need to be Trustworthy to be used by a untrusted code? < 1324947914 243482 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your security is violated? < 1324947915 42003 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMN! < 1324947925 576827 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, ^^question < 1324947935 662216 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know much about safe haskell, check the docs, but it's irrelevant < 1324947958 655330 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole point of Cap is that you only pass it around and don't offer global things because that disrupts the object-capability modfel < 1324947959 385501 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :model < 1324947966 429008 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you install something that maliciously violates this by using an unsafe module < 1324947972 668581 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out your security is violated < 1324947975 533819 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to feel better about it < 1324947978 352418 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :call the Cap constructor UnsafeCap < 1324947987 64103 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the module already has Unsafe in the name, so if you REALLY need that extra hint < 1324947993 715480 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like such code couldn't just use unsafePerformIO in the first place < 1324948002 345344 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is on the exact same level of safety as the Cap constructor from your POV < 1324948006 882515 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that same unsafe module needs to be used for the top-level program to make its legitimate capabilities < 1324948042 341675 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, because IT'S A PRIVILEGED MODULE! < 1324948046 562878 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :great power, great responsibility, etc. etc. etc. < 1324948063 387731 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously you cannot give power to create arbitrary capabilities without giving the power to abuse it < 1324948072 442614 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Safe Haskell is not a substitute for NOT INSTALLING MALICIOUS LIBRARIE < 1324948072 788611 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :S < 1324948081 118682 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and exposing them to untrusted code < 1324948082 977849 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the compiler capable of automatically marking modules as safe? < 1324948211 289660 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, in case you're wondering what makeCap id does: Makes a capability that allows something that has it to execute arbitrary IO < 1324948219 933849 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(currently) < 1324948230 938781 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: basically you're saying that the IO creation doubles as a way to stop you declaring top-level ones. but it doesn't really, because Cap.Unsafe and its contents (the constructor) is on the exact level of unsafety as System.IO.Unsafe. < 1324948233 79346 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, I think so < 1324948249 615717 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, you can't predict how your own hard-to-understand hack magic works! < 1324948252 558759 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :always a good sign < 1324948349 508376 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, but there's more of a community aversion to abuse of unsafePerformIO than there is to abuse of UnsafeCap, especially since UnsafeCap needs to be used anyway in legitimate capacity. < 1324948411 96966 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess, though, that people will consider any libraries that abuse UnsafeCap to be literally worthless and ignore them, though < 1324948470 42935 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1324948495 217341 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: but UnsafeCap should never ever be used in a top-level definition < 1324948539 242803 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway unsafePerformIO is used legitimately too < 1324948546 846392 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are rules, they have to be followed, it's as simple as that < 1324948559 928458 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even a fully object-capability system has to have a carefully-written implementation to expose the top-level capabilities without bugs < 1324948649 266038 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, what about by the untrustworthy code that gets the capabilities to do whatever as an argument? Is that not a top-level def.. derp. But that's still a type of something -> Cap whatever at the top level < 1324948665 935564 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although not a use of UnsafeCap at the top level) < 1324948672 878593 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the something is what matters < 1324948679 447686 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a value of type Cap a -> Cap a at top level < 1324948681 461173 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t id < 1324948682 217667 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. a -> a < 1324948683 725625 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE HORRORS OF ID!!! < 1324948691 919393 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a function of type < 1324948695 159158 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IO a -> a) -> (IO a -> a) < 1324948699 496445 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't mean you can extract a value out of IO < 1324948724 561393 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point of Cap is just restricting the only values of type (Cap a) (apart from trivial (return x) and the like) that can be constructed to ones that are passed in as parameters < 1324948737 205007 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a value of type Cap a -> Cap (). There's also a value of the same exact type made with UnsafeCap < 1324948867 801427 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what is your point < 1324948906 542339 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looking at a type is insufficient to see whether abuse of UnsafeCap is going on < 1324948929 128264 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're really quite massively Missing The Point < 1324948933 466632 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a value would not be an abuse of UnsafeCap < 1324948937 480253 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not an abuse if it provides nothing unsafe < 1324948959 510714 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only unsafe thing is exposing an actual capability (which is a term that only makes sense within your system; broadly for you it seems to be "any actual IO effect") to something not passed it < 1324948965 849379 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it < 1324948967 637617 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's irrelevant < 1324948971 410658 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because like I said < 1324948975 252562 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :any case where you could say < 1324948979 799101 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo = UnsafeCap . readFile < 1324948982 846904 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just as well say < 1324948987 34964 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo = unsafePerformIO . makeCap readFile < 1324948991 296004 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if that even types with your hack...) < 1324949021 980972 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since Cap.Unsafe is on THE EXACT SAME SAFETY LEVEL, and must be used with THE EXACT SAME CAUTION as System.IO.Unsafe, because they do the SAME THING: exposing IO actions in contexts where it is not safe-by-default to do so < 1324949025 247511 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is irrelevant < 1324949059 76585 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Capabilties System.IO.Unsafe> :t unsafePerformIO . makeCap $ readFile < 1324949059 276371 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafePerformIO . makeCap $ readFile :: FilePath -> Cap String < 1324949189 23384 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not what my code said. < 1324949198 277954 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was not really interested in the answer. < 1324949209 922446 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, Cap is the wrong name, call it CapIO or something < 1324949233 462512 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cap doesn't really represent capabilities, it's just an IO monad with a convenient wrapper so that you can't use Haskell's non-object-capability libraries < 1324949698 234078 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1324949729 327196 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1324951423 628287 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DB40.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1324951537 375767 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the hell does one find a name like colloinkgravisom < 1324951547 130177 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION too lazy to read up < 1324951822 717305 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: `words < 1324951824 435566 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words < 1324951826 942970 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 15 < 1324951831 935793 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :uite < 1324951832 211538 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lprom hortal affore stanzkur cripth suppo diopseud nehangiti heretaturg nec bel fordfinin kev nunane frtheodii < 1324951837 603473 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`word 50 < 1324951840 914087 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: word =/= words) < 1324951841 683656 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :to pembaress subftraptayhei dinver witchraur bsclfseueno latowpre farmetor asters peron excens monres niesteigeumedeidetic torectonlogodickedj co edessac ne sumop phanty kaltylvilbp ing seed bamparibury gopackenia thcral ii fionio rooklee wel ren ats semer mulere nues ber ohathro hephebratatersavandous sowerotfoluu inocy phigbera cludawhivocadopiren nain volmorowinac gaischicisa bourfinonsob yoe cheathaliolinfintegui diungstlerd sions chafle < 1324951862 538987 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, < 1324951863 349167 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --eng-all --spanish --french --swedish --finnish --catalan --eng-fiction 25 < 1324951863 510752 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oo fun < 1324951865 813276 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what produced colloinkgravisom < 1324951874 885784 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sortónics pristat porvente lenlauca leindia gar gegnetsertis pontroya ellerka uppinkstis cre stau endra pondovàclon iyillejari isés codeter ölteftwat cantitlir orallnotavere omeofy speräks crecun shvillej revol < 1324951877 550423 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it was "colloinkgravisomed". < 1324952020 412738 :nys!~nys@96.44.77.235 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1324952061 289981 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: btw the full title is Colloinkgravisom of Hexham tyvm < 1324952079 338380 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well of course, m'lord < 1324952120 408885 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the house of Colloinkgravisom has a long history, marred only by the fact that nobody can spell our name < 1324952170 716506 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never said anything untoward about the coloingravisomes, m'lord < 1324952694 739628 :androidgravisom!5f95f347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.243.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324952710 919762 :androidgravisom!5f95f347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1324952727 80375 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1324952739 222267 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of android < 1324952821 677611 :androidgravisom!5f95f347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a "scroll excel" 7" tablet which is under suspicion of being THE CHEAPEST < 1324952842 819996 :androidgravisom!5f95f347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But! Hey, 1 ghzes! < 1324952868 449054 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurray tablet! < 1324952893 439940 :androidgravisom!5f95f347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this thing is using vga output :| < 1324952936 304305 :androidgravisom!5f95f347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's trying so hard to be an ipad. so hard < 1324952954 110977 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1324952964 218164 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :das bs < 1324952982 89155 :androidgravisom!5f95f347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which part < 1324952991 947010 :androidgravisom!5f95f347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW THI ONSCREEB KYVOARD SUCK VALLS < 1324953021 674471 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it not swype? < 1324953034 965166 :androidgravisom!5f95f347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is swype < 1324953085 18001 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best OSK interface < 1324953099 802027 :androidgravisom!5f95f347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i get that < 1324953111 979979 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :iunno < 1324953134 408431 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it came preinstalled on this thing < 1324953154 710084 :androidgravisom!5f95f347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good this thibg comrs bundled with anf i quote "advanced task killer 3" < 1324953167 202336 :androidgravisom!5f95f347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 versions of task killing < 1324953185 782818 :androidgravisom!5f95f347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :new innovations in shit i sgouldnt hace to do in the first place < 1324953272 496791 :androidgravisom!5f95f347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :etf this tuihg desny cone qih android narket hkw xo i get aps onto it < 1324953276 40480 :androidgravisom!5f95f347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ny god < 1324953294 679415 :androidgravisom!5f95f347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thisbiz nakijg me resllu appreciate ny iphobe keyboard < 1324953354 56866 :androidgravisom!5f95f347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.149.243.71 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1324953354 218378 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah this came with a decent application manager preinstalled. task killers are things that kill programs running in the background. you know, like operating system services :P < 1324953379 788595 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i stand by my "shit i shouldn't have to do in the first place" assessment < 1324953416 459353 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: oh good, it comes with its very own application installer < 1324953428 273319 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i just go to like google.com and get an androidmarket.ipk < 1324953433 746839 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know how this stuff works < 1324953455 175688 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this application installer is AD SUPPORTED holy shit < 1324953466 577825 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: you dont need a task killer. most apps have some way to kill them, and those that dont can be killed by the app manager (which is like any system monitor really) < 1324953485 852237 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yeah, which is why it's the first thing in the appliaction grid thing :P < 1324953488 773741 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOST IMPORTANT < 1324953506 889883 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this camera is the most washed out thing ever < 1324953520 780540 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant hardly tell its not greyscale < 1324953520 944426 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet its all in the softward < 1324953530 465158 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :apply better filters < 1324953583 675462 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok android market let's do this shit < 1324953591 181928 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this form factor is insane < 1324953592 893610 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like < 1324953597 83016 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :30:9 < 1324953624 563233 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1324953624 724663 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lul < 1324953630 465685 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the android market an actual application < 1324953631 738080 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just a website < 1324953644 147997 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :both < 1324953655 308696 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1324953659 622293 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not seeing the application part on the website < 1324953686 563566 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1324953778 991672 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant find its real name < 1324953788 959388 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just called Market v3.4.4 here < 1324953827 101936 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ahahaha apparently uh < 1324953832 741214 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the devs of a device have to enter an agreement w/ google < 1324953833 517175 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get it < 1324953835 886769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There's no access to the official Android Market built-in, but you can get apps from other app stores such as Handango or Opera Mobile Store. Most budget tablets don't have the official Android app store onboard because Google isn't too keen on certifying cheap kit." -- CNET < 1324953844 395128 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :noiiiiiiice < 1324953854 518743 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :googling "install android markaet" shows people putting it on ~unauthorised devices~ < 1324953858 781903 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that easy i wonder... < 1324953862 757179 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :gasp < 1324953897 541513 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yeah ILLEGITIMATE ACTIVITIES < 1324953898 695925 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im rebel < 1324953911 875775 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's "3D". (In that it can play something something 3D over its HDMI out.) < 1324953913 546042 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :application settings -> "Hidden google application", with lowercase "g", no description < 1324953916 473543 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i turn it on < 1324953918 321645 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :y/n < 1324953938 975224 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1324953941 263641 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also you have to buy your own hdmi cable to do that < 1324953946 709261 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :party rock is in the house tonight < 1324953952 159147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Butt of course. < 1324953956 36195 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we gonna make you lose your mind < 1324953960 459443 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To get the Android Market on this tablet click on settings, select applications and select hidden Google application. Go back to home screen and keep your finger on a empty space, an add to home screen pops up select widgets and select market icon , you can now sign in or make a new account by selecting the market icon on your home screen." < 1324953963 623973 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: holy shit < 1324953965 282399 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they like < 1324953968 241451 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :smuggle it on illegally < 1324953971 296284 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hidden by this setting < 1324953975 386513 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1324953979 77859 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is hilarious < 1324954001 107403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the awesomest if. < 1324954035 614564 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer is < 1324954036 223649 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1324954041 462292 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god bless america < 1324954122 231493 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im into the market < 1324954125 700401 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck yes hidden google application < 1324954131 649033 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1324954134 652624 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they get away with this < 1324954151 636344 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like i have to keep this hideous widget on my homescreen to open it tho < 1324954186 807154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the same setting exists on the "Ainol Novo 7 Advanced Tablet". < 1324954234 425248 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: whats good irc for the androod < 1324954259 866043 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :androirc and andchat are the top two results obviously one of these must be the best per loic < 1324954267 414076 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use irssi connectbot myself, but andchat is what most peeps use < 1324954276 246518 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-025-236.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324954287 205818 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i think andchat is the one sgeo uses, maybe i'll go with androirc :) < 1324954290 677592 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just < 1324954292 863642 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vnc in to this laptop < 1324954295 247480 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be the most practical < 1324954414 548531 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how < 1324954420 193165 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :andchat asks me for the encoding to use < 1324954421 321014 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :before like < 1324954422 782806 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :letting me connect < 1324954423 716482 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anything < 1324954489 505858 :androidgravisom!~androidgr@95.149.243.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324954493 946907 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :DECIDE NOW AND FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE < 1324954507 4284 :androidgravisom!~androidgr@95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1324954530 443751 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you figure out where to get swype < 1324954539 108934 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't i just rely on fizzie < 1324954545 308817 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how do i like < 1324954548 431721 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to my homescreen without quitting apps < 1324954554 140989 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take it this is something this thing can do < 1324954558 265456 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that my ancient iphone can't < 1324954569 392625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I be sleep.) < 1324954582 236352 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1324954585 970470 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hit the home button < 1324954590 448870 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i should probably charge this thing < 1324954591 527722 :androidgravisom!~androidgr@95.149.243.71 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1324954594 446873 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it keeps just sleeping < 1324954597 284765 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :afterl ike 5 seconds < 1324954599 586567 :androidgravisom!~androidgr@95.149.243.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324954606 370647 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no man i just exited you < 1324954607 276305 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wahtever < 1324954610 574805 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*what < 1324954618 411013 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the app sucks < 1324954679 685923 :androidgravisom!~androidgr@95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This thibg doesnt zeem ti gace swype < 1324954688 526744 :androidgravisom!~androidgr@95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait < 1324954805 429971 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'm installing < 1324954806 361181 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the installer < 1324954851 896869 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i've installed the installer < 1324954853 731916 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'll install it < 1324954856 702518 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: this better be worth it < 1324954935 377248 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: it is, i think, once you get used to it. make sure you size it as small as you can though, cuz it gets hard to use when you make it bigger. < 1324954952 581120 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, turn on the line thing that shows where you've swiped < 1324954954 570034 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this screen is only 7 inches so < 1324954957 292142 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it couldn't get very big. < 1324954962 929316 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna go through the tutorial thing < 1324954969 535749 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take it that i basically just draw out the letters i want right? < 1324954974 848517 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what a precursory googling suggested < 1324954975 541517 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1324954977 44273 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :draw a line < 1324954979 561077 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a keyboard < 1324954982 592065 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sth < 1324954982 822983 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1324954988 629241 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :one line per word < 1324954994 206629 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-007-052.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324955002 640807 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :type out words that arent in the dictionary and add them < 1324955052 568896 :androidgravisom|!~androidgr@95.149.243.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324955057 224042 :androidgravisom!~androidgr@95.149.243.71 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1324955075 515086 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this tutorial isnt interactive at all :( < 1324955100 488141 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad day < 1324955171 664547 :androidgravisom|!~androidgr@95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swyping all the way < 1324955185 430567 :androidgravisom|!~androidgr@95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh this ain't bad at all < 1324955198 519990 :androidgravisom|!~androidgr@95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1324955234 14653 :androidgravisom|!~androidgr@95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is nicer than the iPhone keyboard < 1324955296 86533 :androidgravisom|!~androidgr@95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll install an SSH thing now < 1324955326 870889 :androidgravisom|!~androidgr@95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for the recommendation < 1324955338 335766 :androidgravisom|!~androidgr@95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re swype < 1324955355 641871 :androidgravisom|!~androidgr@95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only have speech Oh neat test speech < 1324955363 25490 :androidgravisom|!~androidgr@95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh Neek eight speed < 1324955367 881288 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-007-052.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1324955371 76780 :androidgravisom|!~androidgr@95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only because speech recognition < 1324955382 859056 :androidgravisom|!~androidgr@95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a few cases use here < 1324955391 272857 :androidgravisom|!~androidgr@95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have < 1324955400 717810 :androidgravisom|!~androidgr@95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A field today < 1324955409 638542 :androidgravisom|!~androidgr@95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Susie was < 1324955419 197578 :androidgravisom|!~androidgr@95.149.243.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1324955432 484355 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: behold my attempt at saying "Oh neat, it has speech recognition." and "I'd have a field day if fizzie was here." < 1324955436 987675 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, attempts, plural < 1324955641 681375 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :luls < 1324955655 313505 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use the speech recognition to write texts sometimes < 1324955659 688755 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :always works well for me < 1324955666 926493 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fails miserably for my sister < 1324955668 272567 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1324955671 969053 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to want en-US input < 1324955673 929545 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just too british < 1324955687 346937 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, error exists between chair and mobile device < 1324955757 685187 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome, ssh'd in < 1324955782 124920 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: is there a way to tell swype not to assume im typing dictionary words into this shell :P < 1324955810 144587 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just type on it like a regular keyboard if you dont want to use dictionary words < 1324955815 298967 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1324955820 368507 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it relies pretty crucially on the dictionary < 1324955834 166147 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i dont think i can set the size of it < 1324955835 907622 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least < 1324955837 251255 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how to < 1324955844 966043 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. read the patent for it. it's pretty fascinating. < 1324955916 185928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1324955918 941007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1324955938 825469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :androidgravisom ismyhome < 1324955940 872445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1324955948 36301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no surprising < 1324955949 687492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1324955955 818882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :autospacing < 1324955963 284335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Connecticut < 1324955966 198724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1324955970 449150 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :connecticut :D < 1324955971 301561 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :connectbot < 1324956013 951431 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is android 2.3 the newest thing < 1324956119 36014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Client Quit < 1324956129 627531 :androidgravisom|!~androidgr@95.149.243.71 QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1324956186 707839 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so excited that this thing comes with flash < 1324956190 84890 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get to experience the < 1324956193 755700 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mobile flash experienec firsthand < 1324956290 625858 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-031-165.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324956436 844239 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to torture the flash player < 1324956869 29194 :casa!~casa@201.242.195.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324956957 974109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, you have a new phone? What brand/model? < 1324957059 194988 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: tablet actually. it's a "scroll excel" 7" tablet which is under suspicion of being THE CHEAPEST But! Hey, 1 ghzes! < 1324957085 78927 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never heard of either the brand or the model < 1324957089 62775 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's so legit that the android market app, which google only licenses for use to more respectable models, is accessible by turning on a setting named "Hidden google [sic] application" and tapping in a blank space on the home screen < 1324957095 882021 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Completely Legal(tm) < 1324957100 810343 :casa!~casa@201.242.195.243 QUIT :Quit: Saliendo < 1324957109 754812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, wtf < 1324957120 315491 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's amazing :D < 1324957129 442655 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, so is the hardware bad too? < 1324957138 74641 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... not that bad, really < 1324957142 957350 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1324957145 167763 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nothing amazing < 1324957147 594700 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the form factor is a bit weird < 1324957154 376275 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the screen is basically ok, the plastic quality is decent < 1324957164 219811 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the form factor then? < 1324957179 745682 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, you can get svg antivirus for android. that's what i've always wanted: a mobile i have to worry about viruses with < 1324957195 38798 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://image.ebuyer.com/UK/P600-0294945-06.jpg < 1324957199 890579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :svg? < 1324957200 51912 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's either very portrait or very widescreen < 1324957200 892824 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :avg? < 1324957202 77975 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on your pov < 1324957204 442654 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :7" < 1324957206 15869 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and er yeah avg < 1324957216 534239 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :7" is small for a tablet < 1324957222 748448 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is like... a very large phone? < 1324957229 307365 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naked Scanner Free - "See through your friends' clothes!!! Trick your friends taht you can see them naked!!! Sexy girl, man and fat!!! included." < 1324957232 857350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and damn that looks sheep < 1324957236 769871 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an amazing app < 1324957243 611313 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, what? really? < 1324957247 406970 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is pre-installed!? < 1324957249 815996 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :D < 1324957251 669489 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1324957252 275776 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1324957254 135407 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be amazing < 1324957256 361783 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1324957256 592568 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isj ust in the store thing < 1324957259 617638 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1324957262 434814 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's less cheap than it looks there actually, the plastic is actually black < 1324957265 313252 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, in the official android store? < 1324957270 55432 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1324957272 601655 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the market thing is kinda lawless < 1324957274 107762 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1324957280 336510 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to apple's at least < 1324957285 16738 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1324957296 195717 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the apple one is draconian though < 1324957308 616240 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ShakeBoobs. only description is "shake the girls' boobs". these are in like the top 30 apps < 1324957318 311525 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :along with twitter and opera and all kinds of respectable things < 1324957324 567092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1324957327 707464 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor google < 1324957350 502088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, the obvious solution would be to add a safesearch style option < 1324957363 862996 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is there one and you turned it off? < 1324957368 396047 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, and miss out on ShakeBoobs? < 1324957371 80095 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't switched any settings < 1324957381 774849 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, I meant to have that as an /option/. < 1324957387 79904 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man. angry birds. do i dare. do i dare find out what all the fuss is about < 1324957387 241364 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for those so inclined < 1324957395 247932 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, angry birds is old < 1324957399 358091 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :old and popular < 1324957410 670765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, I played that with snes light guns once iirc at a friend's place < 1324957413 726023 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :god that was ages ag < 1324957414 738424 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1324957414 970064 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ago* < 1324957419 191614 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with < 1324957421 62156 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :snes light guns? < 1324957423 545644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1324957428 653386 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sceptical of this claim < 1324957430 841505 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_gun < 1324957434 137816 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angry_Birds < 1324957436 135771 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm talking about this thing < 1324957445 634360 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that one < 1324957455 725466 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, I confused it with that duck hunting game < 1324957456 187071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1324957458 875720 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1324957459 36665 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :birds < 1324957469 42631 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :duck hunt i think you mean < 1324957471 791169 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1324957482 119965 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :duck hunt, played that with snes light gun once < 1324957487 542928 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the accuracy was /terrible/ < 1324957495 354861 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal < 1324957499 497187 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes? < 1324957500 925374 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i install minecraft pocket edition < 1324957502 760419 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironically < 1324957517 54676 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! there's a free demo < 1324957520 140878 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, I saw a guy at university running the free demo version of it on a phone < 1324957522 997958 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even have to wallow in indecision then < 1324957525 124752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it looked like classic < 1324957530 815346 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :with somewhat different blocks < 1324957535 903691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the controls were super-awkward < 1324957542 117895 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but you know what they say about classic < 1324957544 887994 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one step away from classique < 1324957554 324200 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, classic on /computer/ is far far better < 1324957563 245011 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, it makes the same menu sounds. < 1324957569 453453 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOSTALGIA YO. < 1324957572 322934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1324957574 63876 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to say though < 1324957580 249254 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the swype keyboard thing is better than the iphone's < 1324957583 991074 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc it's a third-party app but still :P < 1324957587 293210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :swype? < 1324957603 185256 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hell do you pronounce that? < 1324957605 963449 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"swipe" < 1324957606 125533 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as swipe? < 1324957608 45833 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1324957611 942856 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you basically draw a line on a qwerty keyboard < 1324957613 667559 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to type the word < 1324957621 582763 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works better than it sounds like it would < 1324957628 83066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if the letters are at different ends of the keyboard? < 1324957632 628417 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should make it with physical keyboard < 1324957635 560109 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you just move across and it figures it out < 1324957656 417979 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao this pocket edition has the biome sidegrass bug < 1324957662 162996 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a completely different codebase < 1324957664 503360 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, what happens if there are multiple alternatives < 1324957664 774364 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtg mojang < 1324957676 17721 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you can select afterwards, but i've not had to yet < 1324957679 531030 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, how do you know it is a completely different codebase? < 1324957680 148376 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my few minutes of use, admittedly < 1324957684 561714 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because they've said so < 1324957688 989355 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean sure some stuff, like the input code, has to be different < 1324957690 687530 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1324957692 984489 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is insane < 1324957698 704969 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1324957707 9960 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :minecraft proper could hardly run well on today's phones < 1324957711 149489 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay < 1324957714 477640 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: the codebase sucks :P < 1324957719 646229 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1324957746 594035 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's classic but blocks take time to destroy < 1324957750 28841 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a neato innovation!! < 1324957752 825556 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION intends to sleep tonight < 1324957759 422283 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. some blocks are not in the demo version. < 1324957778 489221 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hey, it has a unified sp/mp architecture < 1324957781 67930 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's gotta count for something < 1324957787 694067 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, anyway the issue with the side grass is that to solve it you either need like two extra triangles per side slightly in front of the brown area, or you drop the tricks you can do with monochromatic textures < 1324957790 416723 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you just flick "server is visible" on from within a game to let people join, it seems) < 1324957798 289317 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, those trick won't work anyway < 1324957808 640812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because minecraft doesn't use modern shaders < 1324957815 330075 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"scanning for wifi games" wtf is this only for local network games < 1324957815 491039 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the old stateful opengl iirc < 1324957830 275522 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, P2P minecraft? < 1324957832 253544 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you can turn on fancy graphics it seems < 1324957856 930394 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, on a phone the controls where /really/ awkward < 1324957863 68895 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, might be better on a larger pad < 1324957874 804092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course accuracy with touch screen is terrible compared to mouse < 1324957882 569914 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be a question of how used you are to it < 1324957885 704100 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just minecraft, you don't need supreme accuracy < 1324957886 857097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also I have big fingers < 1324957887 208074 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the controls are < 1324957888 418640 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeeeeh < 1324957892 316013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as already established < 1324957908 494037 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: is that cyanogen thing i've heard about applicable to this device < 1324957914 96147 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really don't know what i'm doing < 1324957914 673098 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at all < 1324957919 172496 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, look, my hand can if I stretch it reach from ctrl to enter on a full sized PC keyboard < 1324957930 263905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in the far ctrl < 1324957936 489587 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how blatantly this thing's look is ripping off the ipad < 1324957939 788809 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1324957953 304456 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks worse designed < 1324957960 988111 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it looks like a matte surface < 1324957963 708682 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has the black front/whiteish back thing, and the same kind of name positioning on the back < 1324957971 639300 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not < 1324957972 256202 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :glossy < 1324957976 851388 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :glossy and fingerprint-lovin' < 1324957981 538787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1324957985 184025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :glossy sucks < 1324957988 945930 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to fingerprints < 1324957998 421396 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why you get an oreo-phobic one! < 1324958008 900724 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, I assume it isn't that? < 1324958015 108416 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to being like the cheap one < 1324958018 605238 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally < 1324958024 700601 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"break the bricks" what an exciting name for a breakout clone < 1324958057 495502 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, if you want to play some good breakout I can recommend lbreakout2 on linux < 1324958062 876223 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it is in ubuntu repos and so on < 1324958064 491488 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've played lbreakout2 < 1324958066 567493 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1324958070 264701 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, and you liked it? < 1324958074 392263 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is in the android store tho < 1324958077 979957 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's nice enough < 1324958079 718807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1324958081 371644 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not the biggest breakout fanatic < 1324958097 395266 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favourite thing about android has to be that they've like < 1324958097 741597 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, I like the addon level sets with all-explosive tiles and so on < 1324958108 756371 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eliminated the whole "quit application"/"opened application" stuff < 1324958112 994695 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like all "add the drop-through protection/extra ball" < 1324958113 156251 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everyone immediately jumped to resurrect it by < 1324958116 226632 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) putting quit buttons in their apps < 1324958118 248711 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the results look so amazing < 1324958122 729533 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b) inventing apps for the sole purpose of killing other apps < 1324958146 23474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, well, having a task manager can be useful sometimes < 1324958149 956051 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if an application hangs < 1324958160 147024 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"copy music to your phone with a USB cable" really now, really. < 1324958170 9972 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have Astrolog? < 1324958171 653455 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, can't you just use bluetooth for it? < 1324958178 289776 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: maybe, that's just what it says < 1324958184 556486 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, on the box or what? < 1324958190 425469 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i open "Music" < 1324958193 368959 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have GPS? < 1324958198 283423 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1324958198 444899 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1324958198 975728 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to both < 1324958202 330226 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it might have gps but i doubt it < 1324958214 317046 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, does it have tilt sensors? < 1324958231 854002 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it can tell when i'm holding it sideways < 1324958234 255280 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... maybe? < 1324958236 230245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, be careful when playing pinball then! < 1324958252 637321 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1324958285 827190 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, can you explain why in http://image.ebuyer.com/UK/P600-0294945-06.jpg it says "Outputs 3D videos" on the computer screen photo on the box? < 1324958295 571453 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't make any sense < 1324958297 644893 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it outputs 3d videos < 1324958304 221029 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, huh? how? < 1324958307 405282 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :two cameras? < 1324958316 683320 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hdmi, one presumes < 1324958328 585911 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, so uh... what? < 1324958336 492540 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that up to the video? < 1324958351 927658 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as your monitor supports whatever 3D glass technology you want to use < 1324958354 218883 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it's just "has support for whatever hdmi protocol is used for 3d" < 1324958363 505887 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1324958381 256453 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :HDMI is horrible IMO. Long live DVI and DP < 1324958400 50714 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with hdmi < 1324958401 372694 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are all horrible. NTSC is better < 1324958408 82637 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, all the DRM stuff < 1324958418 107509 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anybody actually force you to use that < 1324958421 741173 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, that isn't a cable type < 1324958424 762 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make NTSC stereovision protocol consisting of a synchronization signal followed by alternating frames for each channel < 1324958427 349538 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, but it has support it < 1324958428 475122 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. do that < 1324958430 733412 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do what zzo says < 1324958431 705891 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :support for it* < 1324958434 728095 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: so does x86 < 1324958442 545471 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :any sufficiently generic platform has drm support < 1324958453 799254 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, well this one isn't generic and it has support for it < 1324958459 993569 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: yes probably < 1324958463 712176 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1324958478 39183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, so too tired to argue about it further < 1324958492 326321 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hdmi has pretty obviously already won anyawy < 1324958495 309259 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least against dvi/dp < 1324958508 148033 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, depends on where. Not for computer monitors < 1324958516 523516 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for TV yes < 1324958519 611398 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, HDMI is bad due to DRM, but other thing too < 1324958530 575190 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324958531 424096 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :DVI is the best one IMO < 1324958532 829713 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I just use VGA or NTSC < 1324958543 666847 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:39 < monqy> i remember the subject of sour cereal came up in a discussion with kallisti and i searched for sour cereal and found sourcereal but I can't remember anything more < 1324958544 622593 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, problem is they don't give digital signal < 1324958547 748834 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1324958548 324609 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :haaaaaaaahaaaaaa < 1324958554 416914 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :haahahahaha elliott I WIN < 1324958563 440191 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION WILL TAKE HIS CASH PRIZE NOW < 1324958569 406632 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, anyway the refresh rate of NTSC is lower than that of PAL isn't it? < 1324958617 191331 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes it is true they don't give digital signal. And because of that, they cannot mix it up. If the signal is defective it *must* be converted using time base correction or whatever else is wrong with it < 1324958631 409191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, eh? < 1324958641 380235 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, the problem with it not being digital is that you get noise < 1324958644 567627 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is annoying < 1324958656 279184 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is true; you can get noise. < 1324958663 947201 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, which is utterly annoying < 1324958676 236056 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus why I use digital connectors for my computer monitor < 1324958684 213341 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other way to fix digital protocols is to simplify it so much that nobody can implement DRM or encryption or whatever because that would violate the protocol and everything < 1324958696 516069 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that works < 1324958702 44444 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lord knows violating the protocol has stopped people before < 1324958703 992271 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1324958706 253679 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway there is analogue encryption protocols < 1324958729 321074 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use trademarks to prevent people from violating the protocol < 1324958736 265674 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubtful it would work < 1324958752 594343 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, then if they do it wrong, they are not allowed to claim it is a proper cable/protocol! < 1324958757 182218 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324958773 59479 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway my GPU has outputs for all the major monitor connections < 1324958796 393076 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :DVI-I, DVI-D, HDMI, 2xDP < 1324958797 663744 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1324958806 84764 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an DVI-I<->VGA converter < 1324958839 853210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :1x DP < 1324958845 970220 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 5 connectors in total < 1324958857 565751 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it can support up to 5 concurrent displays too < 1324958859 401756 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never tested < 1324958980 650277 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :christ < 1324958982 944538 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the time < 1324958987 236180 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes? < 1324958989 374621 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:09 < 1324958992 339413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, what about it < 1324958994 314023 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324958998 380940 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why aren't i sleeping < 1324959008 453562 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, sleep schedules are for weenies < 1324959042 453405 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had one going for days! < 1324959048 397782 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1324959056 248119 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, you lost it < 1324959061 719730 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: I still think sugar with sour sugar stuff would actually be delicious. < 1324959067 903304 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/sugar/cereal/ < 1324959081 919027 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent excellent yes < 1324959131 390366 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because sour cereal is spices it's important to get the right amount. < 1324959194 502260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean sour grass basically? < 1324959196 973912 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1324959205 667014 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, ^ < 1324959212 314637 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: WOAH < 1324959215 878038 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION BLIND < 1324959216 39583 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, what? < 1324959217 893131 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cereals are grasses (members of the monocot family Poaceae, also known as Gramineae)[1] cultivated for the edible components of their grain (botanically, a type of fruit called a caryopsis), composed of the endosperm, germ, and bran." < 1324959223 192013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :says wikipedia < 1324959224 140246 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, lol < 1324959227 702319 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1324959238 484325 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were pinging me to inform me my other nick had disconnected. < 1324959240 678848 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you interpreted it like THAT < 1324959262 895842 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it's strange to receive a "^" before the thing that you're informing me of. < 1324959266 973422 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so since it is grass I guess you can get high on cereal? < 1324959268 127941 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it typically... points at the thing < 1324959276 240527 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ....... -_- < 1324959277 762610 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes it's strange to receive a "^" before the thing that you're informing me of. < 1324959278 871277 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong < 1324959282 351615 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : you mean sour grass basically? < 1324959282 582726 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :* kallisti has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) < 1324959282 744419 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : kallisti_, ^ < 1324959297 777924 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1324959300 9125 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just disconnected in between < 1324959307 545183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, so yes you are BLIND < 1324959322 943439 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, no, I don't mean DAT FIRE ASS NASTY DANK SHIT. < 1324959331 828592 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh? < 1324959338 93481 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean like sour sugar. < 1324959350 530480 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1324959352 899791 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: so would cyanaanaoynoaynoanygen get me all the google apps this thing is too ashamed to include < 1324959361 657148 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, since when is cereal sugar? < 1324959364 472035 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: in sweden do they have sour canady? < 1324959386 939029 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in sweden, are certain cereals (like the cold cereal you eat in a bowl with milk) coated in sugar? < 1324959387 169106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, I think so? I don't like it. Generally in the form of rather sour jelly thingies < 1324959398 849337 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now imagine, you put the sour sugary stuff from those candies < 1324959402 425864 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on some kind of cereal < 1324959402 656891 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, you mean like muesli? < 1324959406 215426 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1324959409 821143 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO UNAMERICAN < 1324959412 873692 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes similar. < 1324959449 70603 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :muesli is generally all-organic fair-trade stuff without sugar < 1324959453 695285 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMERICAN MUESLI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frosted_Flakes < 1324959458 58229 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE PUT SUGAR IN EVERYTHING OKAY < 1324959460 476565 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS TRADITION < 1324959466 928359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, this is very strange to me < 1324959478 94792 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, we only put sugar where it belongs < 1324959492 525390 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's actually really good, but also we have unsugary cereals and those are good as well. < 1324959496 551863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, we don't get quite as fat either < 1324959506 465821 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: cyanogenmod is a desktop environment sort of thingy. a home screen/app screen replacement? widget dock? i've not used it. < 1324959517 560138 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think the answer is "no" < 1324959556 171949 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's because you expend immense amounts of energy keeping your body warm in the lifeless arctic wasteland tundra that you decided to take residence in. < 1324959584 954056 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, anyway I'm sure sugar can be put on most things it is just that it probably a) tastes horrible in many cases b) is unhealthy in most cases < 1324959602 418336 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we don't actually put sugar on everything < 1324959614 77349 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... that's not as incredibly inaccurate as it should be. < 1324959614 653681 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, do you know what the gulf stream is? < 1324959617 497789 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1324959631 754782 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, that is why Sweden is not a "lifeless arctic wasteland tundra" < 1324959639 258876 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, we get heated up by it < 1324959678 857198 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, cold yes, but not tundra < 1324959719 519307 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik there are no tundra areas in Sweden unless you count some high altitude mountain areas with glaciers. But then Switzerland has those too, and it is much further south < 1324959744 898976 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: .. < 1324959766 896865 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, and I live much further south < 1324959767 172690 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to continue saying ridiculous things and Vorpal is going to continue believing that I mean it. < 1324959778 583781 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : colloinkgravisom: cyanogenmod is a desktop environment sort of thingy. a home screen/app screen replacement? widget dock? i've not used it. < 1324959781 905731 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, the ground isn't even frozen today < 1324959783 346825 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: googling says yr very wrong < 1324959785 141415 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is like +2C < 1324959792 813444 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, it is a very warm winter this year < 1324959798 499166 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: ok < 1324959804 266684 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: same here in fact. < 1324959808 408384 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, I take everything serious unless otherwise noted. < 1324959812 888217 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's a rom apparently < 1324959820 651071 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now it's 48 degrees. < 1324959826 505855 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, what unit? < 1324959833 432591 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :last year at this time it was below freezing < 1324959839 648638 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, I accept SI units and celcius < 1324959850 938710 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means I'm fine with Kelvin < 1324959866 121716 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!insanetemp 48 < 1324959874 586771 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1324959888 697883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, what was the convert tool command? < 1324959900 609598 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :to convert from insane temperature < 1324959904 318321 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1324959909 130311 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Celsius, obviously. I'm boiling alive. < 1324959916 361113 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in winter. < 1324959925 977089 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, come on that is not boiling. Boiling is 100 C < 1324959927 786797 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sanetemp 48 < 1324959938 987246 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :48 F is 8.8 C < 1324959943 31815 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1324959943 492649 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1324959952 556620 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is insanely warm for this time of year < 1324959965 807672 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the problem with all these units for temperature is that they don't even share a zero < 1324959967 781036 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to usual, which is still pretty warm compared to most temperate climates. < 1324959978 193081 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means it is actually convert and add < 1324959985 889721 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, not just a scaling factor < 1324960019 358351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :both a scaling factor and a translation < 1324960027 593751 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with all these units for temperature is all these units for temperature < 1324960033 470173 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the only problem < 1324960041 227319 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm translation sounds so weird in 1D < 1324960052 925259 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: use 2D then < 1324960055 766401 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm hungry but i should really sleep. help. < 1324960056 234226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, really K is the only sane one < 1324960060 814047 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, 2D temperature? < 1324960062 176835 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1324960072 388941 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: eat and then go to sleep. porbelm sloved < 1324960083 449851 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, how does that help < 1324960087 450952 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_: it's too early man < 1324960089 955047 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd end up going to bed at < 1324960092 525503 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :double bad o'clock < 1324960094 252097 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i'm trying to find the multiplier in projective geometry < 1324960094 866088 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of the current < 1324960096 131490 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad o'clock < 1324960115 675191 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its easy for C to F < 1324960127 382469 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: sleep, so that your metabolism slows down, and then wake up in the morning at not so bad o' clock and eat a hearty English breakfast < 1324960130 449484 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :[9/5,32] < 1324960141 752565 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, hm what is the matrix for it? Can't you just do it in x and w with w as the homogeneous coordinate? < 1324960152 419048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that what you did? < 1324960156 593186 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1324960163 168176 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1324960164 88437 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just put 1 as the second coord < 1324960167 585682 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :temp as the first < 1324960180 709477 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324960182 590538 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I /am/ familiar with OpenGL, 1 as second coord is obvious < 1324960192 619144 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :F to C is [5/9,-160/9] < 1324960196 781696 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it solves his problem but demonstrating that it's silly because eating is not very time consuming. < 1324960215 501991 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/but/by/ < 1324960216 209461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, depends on what you eat < 1324960243 835535 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_: anything is time consuming when its 4:30 am < 1324960244 906557 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, some marine shelled animals who's name I forgot can take fairly long to eat < 1324960247 114187 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to prepare < 1324960250 829652 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurray, it's only multiplication now < 1324960253 905806 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1324960261 642115 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, it is a matrix multiplication however < 1324960268 710055 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324960273 313466 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, anyway it is a division too, to get the useful value out < 1324960285 689527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to divide x with w surely < 1324960286 159540 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but it's a dot product...the easiest kind of matrix multiplication! < 1324960289 501932 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I missed something < 1324960309 328617 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no division < 1324960311 863058 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just ate this http://www.bk.com/en/us/menu-nutrition/category1/menu-item1/index.html < 1324960315 923001 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :notice how it actually has sugar in it. < 1324960317 907720 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a single number results from the dot product < 1324960318 169558 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, anyway don't you need a 2x2 matrix? < 1324960320 500106 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they put sugar, in hamburgers. < 1324960328 758647 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, oh < 1324960330 154708 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1324960331 312374 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1324960339 356114 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I guess that is a special case for this size? < 1324960347 323334 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1324960360 201448 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :dot products always give magnitudes :P < 1324960360 936161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I'm used to doing M*V and then divide each component in V by the last one. < 1324960370 448620 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that would work here too < 1324960421 990066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I don't know why dot product work here. But that makes it very convenient < 1324960446 350757 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :works* < 1324960467 935765 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works because that is what homogeneous coordinates were designed to do... < 1324960484 439269 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I have to say I only used them for opengl < 1324960489 712070 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1324960512 18787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, so my knowledge of them is limited to what I need for 3D graphics < 1324960519 949500 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 2D < 1324960529 410757 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1324960535 358154 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can obviously use a 3x3 matrix for xyw < 1324960540 393307 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me ever know if you get into quantum computers ;) < 1324960553 557340 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I hope not. I don't understand quantum < 1324960554 186785 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my syntax is failing as well < 1324960584 826843 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/world_according_to_americans.png < 1324960609 661247 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, I doubt most americans know the shapes that well < 1324960621 87943 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the joke < 1324960635 355117 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: are you serious < 1324960638 673348 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, I didn't read the text at the top < 1324960657 619499 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, come on, those islands in the Mediterranean? I couldn't tell you their placement < 1324960674 663997 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :things i've learned today: the best way to get Vorpal to miss that you're mocking him is to do it directly < 1324960694 917848 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, I'm locked into serious-mode < 1324960734 967816 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I could tell you more about the European countries, and to some degree elsewhere as well < 1324960751 475919 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, ssh uses elliptic curve by default these days < 1324960778 211431 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1324960808 134022 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is "boxing day" not an American term? < 1324960814 147405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was generic English < 1324960819 540490 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in both American and Brittish < 1324960825 782151 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably NZ, AU and so on too < 1324960833 780424 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not an American thing, no. < 1324960844 366016 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the United States, where the day is often known simply as "the day after Christmas", business owners give gifts to people who make deliveries. Although the traditional gift is a fifth of Scotch, because fewer people drink these days the trend is towards non-alcoholic gifts.[5][6] It was formerly more widely observed in the United States, and was more widely known as Boxing Day.[7][8] < 1324960847 5045 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, what do you call that day then?> < 1324960849 674723 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/>// < 1324960871 156132 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you call march 28th < 1324960878 296484 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats that < 1324960880 109198 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the United States, where the day is often known simply as "the day after Christmas", business owners give gifts to people who make deliveries. Although the traditional gift is a fifth of Scotch, because fewer people drink these days the trend is towards non-alcoholic gifts.[4][5] It was formerly more widely observed in the United States, and was more widely known as Boxing Day. < 1324960883 855828 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: The 28th of March. < 1324960889 96022 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, trying to remember the significance of that day < 1324960895 234787 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i call it mar 28 < 1324960899 403443 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's shorter < 1324960902 189040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, but probably yyyy-03-28 < 1324960903 268288 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1324960904 278255 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, colloinkgravisom: Never heard of such a tradition. < 1324960912 19672 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: neither have I. < 1324960935 410332 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only aware of Boxing Day as a UK thing. < 1324960950 842219 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: uh... March 28th? < 1324961006 894995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, how well do you know the world map? < 1324961013 393227 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very. < 1324961023 261700 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maps are boring < 1324961033 270370 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, depends on the projection < 1324961039 698453 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can successfully associate countries with continents, which is uncommon for Americans I think. < 1324961077 329262 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of a map I'm any good at < 1324961090 229187 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of projections: https://www.xkcd.com/977/ < 1324961107 557694 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in North American and Eurasia I can place a number of countries, with some countries being associated to general regions without the exact placement known. < 1324961122 249281 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :south american is a little fuzzy. Africa is very fuzzy. < 1324961128 664449 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Australia is easy. :P < 1324961143 600524 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, well I can do that with ease. Might miss out on some smaller ones. Like if they are above AU or in the Caribbean area < 1324961158 359100 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes the Dymaxion projection. < 1324961183 415092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I prefer projecting onto a globe < 1324961195 764531 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1324961203 545017 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I find your patronizing attitude annoying. < 1324961227 338066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, I did not intend to do that < 1324961247 821645 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, I was just stating what I believe is a fact. I did not intend to offend you < 1324961296 428002 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :offended isn't really the word. < 1324961298 717114 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's not a projection, that's just a scale model. < 1324961307 43952 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, yes, that is preferable by far. < 1324961312 641426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1324961331 696407 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, anyway it is an almost-identity projection onto a sphere < 1324961343 232181 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, where did it say the projection had to be onto a flat surface < 1324961351 530322 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude you guys suck mercator projection is the best. If you need any other visual aid your MIND IS SMALL < 1324961379 973702 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A map projection is any method of representing the surface of a sphere or other three-dimensional body on a plane." < 1324961381 82415 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's generally implied in the term "projection" when referring to maps... < 1324961392 844868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, which one is the equvitriangular one now again? < 1324961403 92815 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: I find your patronizing attitude annoying. < 1324961405 862513 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :join the club < 1324961406 323925 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Equvitriangular? < 1324961414 489655 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, eh equvirectangular < 1324961418 898462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mixed that up < 1324961430 756297 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, equirectangular. < 1324961469 218560 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a few sorts. < 1324961490 836969 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plate carrée? < 1324961494 958371 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1324961503 805063 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Astrolog includes a map of the world, including Mollewide, and also includes a globe of the world, and can plot the equatorial positions of planets and their ascendant/descendant on the world map, and can plot the constellations on a map and on a globe < 1324961507 152605 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I was thinking of the one found in hugin the panorama tool < 1324961513 773208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just called equirectangular < 1324961538 419881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure which one that is < 1324961547 249956 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a class of projections. < 1324961556 965288 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can also draw ley lines on the world map < 1324961559 663352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm < 1324961569 503629 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what about a plain cylindrical projection? < 1324961583 528399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in straight out onto a cylinder which is then unrolled < 1324961607 326020 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Class; Gall-Peters being a typical one. < 1324961611 822810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1324961616 809096 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hugin is too imprecise < 1324961632 787762 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Miller Cylindrical is listed there < 1324961645 245803 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what a Triplane projection is... < 1324961646 911070 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the projection there can vary based on aspect ratio and preferred parallels) < 1324961680 631740 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :map projections: the most interesting thing ever. < 1324961681 602398 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't include the tropics though. < 1324961685 977548 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1324961706 696203 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, it is pretty interesting yes < 1324961714 283294 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there is one map with positions of planets shown, the one without that has no equator either. < 1324961724 44108 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, wait you are joking. You said you preferred Mercator < 1324961741 810717 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1324961758 242478 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to imagine antarctica as this huge mass of land larger than everything. < 1324961770 559994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, btw I don't understand dymaxion < 1324961772 805042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it work < 1324961842 126536 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it ought to include the tropics, because the tropics are the declination of the beginning of the corresponding astrological signs on the ecliptic < 1324961854 844245 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: approximate the globe onto a polyhedron < 1324961858 717136 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then unfold it. < 1324961861 168212 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1324961888 57855 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, why would anyone in here care about astrology? < 1324961897 349614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is pointless < 1324961904 619026 :Darth_Cliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324961906 278332 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doesn't worek < 1324961907 592088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :work* < 1324961935 702779 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He attributed the north-up-superior/south-down-inferior presentation of most other world maps to cultural bias." < 1324961938 630033 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :loool < 1324961943 454791 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :north, just a cultural artifact, man. < 1324961971 298279 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, anyway map projections are interesting. Consider if you have a texture and want to project it onto a sphere. You will get different size on the pixels in different places < 1324961987 292350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, well it is < 1324961989 269486 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The astrological signs are really a unit of measurement on the ecliptic. Cancer=90 degrees, Capricorn=270 degrees. And possibly you know about the Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn on the world map? < 1324962014 413090 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, there is absolutely no reason you couldn't paint the other end of the compass red < 1324962031 31758 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, yes but they don't really interest me < 1324962083 947300 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: dymaxion is good. < 1324962122 571274 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it is < 1324962130 1671 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the butterfly projection too < 1324962132 442375 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :soo pretty < 1324962141 50382 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never heard of it before I saw that xkcd though < 1324962151 685611 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1324962300 35967 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you say people born under this sign are like this and with that sign should take advice like that, that is obviously nonsense; but astrological signs by themself are a valid units of measurement, although not very good because they make it hard to add and subtract. < 1324962369 500801 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But, then, the months on the calendar can also make it hard to add and subtract, in mostly the same way that astrological signs are hard to add and subtract) < 1324962389 353612 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good ol' Buckminster Fuller. < 1324962403 89329 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! This is true!! Did you know that? < 1324962451 480443 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yeah, I actually was aware that the astrological signs did have that basis. < 1324962543 981234 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now you can understand the tropics on the map, too. < 1324962545 133131 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :months are silly < 1324962550 289863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer year-day < 1324962620 433242 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another way is to use Julian day numbers (unrelated to the Julian calendar). < 1324962893 529744 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com < 1324962990 705032 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324963651 396189 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :challenge: invent a map projection that looks like a penis, and write a huge paper about it to convince people that it's actually not penis shaped it just LOOKS that way. < 1324963673 37062 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonus points if it's actually useful and accurate on many different measurements. < 1324963779 579937 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say such thing would be bad (at least, I would hate it and so would many people, but do so if you want to anyways I don't care) if it isn't actually useful and accurate on many different measurements. But if it is useful in these uses, then yes try these challenge see what happen you might make good thing. < 1324963896 209474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, oh the zzoian grammar there < 1324963994 322184 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tthere is absolutely no way a penis-shaped map is going to be useful. < 1324964016 442071 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I also doubt it is ever going to be useful. < 1324964037 726738 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is possible, even in past, people said their airplane would never work but it work anyways. < 1324964043 156027 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1324964091 284413 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no intention to invent such a map projection or write such a paper. < 1324964115 207731 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is your problem, not mine.) < 1324964181 277759 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, I suggest more equality between the sexes. Try a vagina-shaped one instead < 1324964229 377058 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, there are way too many penis joke compared to vagina jokes < 1324964244 273332 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that will be useful either but still you can try if you want to do so. < 1324964256 356767 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't intend to try it < 1324964314 22054 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION listens to some Greig < 1324964338 926827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Op. 40 II. Sarabande: Andante < 1324964360 988944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :got this CD for xmas < 1324964362 257921 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite nice < 1324964547 234071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what wikipedia will be like in 100 years < 1324964634 370046 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1324965161 97311 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It will come with the words "Don't Panic" in large, friendly letters. < 1324965272 126135 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1324965655 809158 :Darth_Cliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net NICK :Klisz < 1324965910 343397 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Quit: will be back soon < 1324966276 167725 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text . join . zipWith (\x y -> '\ETX':x:y:[]) (cycle "0123456789") $ "I wish this would work" < 1324966277 913858 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0I1 2w3i4s5h6 7t8h9i0s1 2w3o4u5l6d7 8w9o0r1k < 1324966356 10088 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesterday, I was playing short D&D game session. My brother wasn't doing much during that session, I did most of the things. But still not much because it is short session. He did only fight a electric web and help me to pry a plate off of a door when I ask (at first I try doing it by hand but that doesn't work) < 1324966377 550310 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`haskell import Control.Monad; main = putStrLn . join . zipWith (\x y -> '\ETX':x:y:[]) (cycle "0123456789") $ "I wish this would work" < 1324966380 518977 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: haskell: not found < 1324966390 273221 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import Control.Monad; main = putStrLn . join . zipWith (\x y -> '\ETX':x:y:[]) (cycle "0123456789") $ "I wish this would work" < 1324966399 310843 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1324966888 166769 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hah < 1324967008 879692 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, what do you expect it to do? < 1324967135 553026 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1324967416 676330 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1324967987 169651 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1324968269 86923 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324968592 33117 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal I expect it to do what it looks like it does, but lambdabot filters control codes. < 1324968592 380056 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1324969069 697180 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: You are now graced with my absence. < 1324969700 849920 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324969849 410126 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_: What are you trying to do? < 1324969897 738074 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spam beautiful rainbows. < 1324969903 163422 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow like this! < 1324969903 324474 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2l3i4k5e6 7t8h9i2s3! < 1324969914 248360 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1324969934 310815 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could write your own little bot to do it < 1324969968 950183 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1324969974 911551 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1324969984 296589 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just tried a simple script. Obviously did not work < 1324970048 261677 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow PiRSquared17 PiRSquared17 < 1324970048 460507 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2P3i4R5S6q7u8a9r2e3d41576 7P8i9R2S3q4u5a6r7e8d91273 < 1324970138 506782 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow magi matio plakestic pawn jugliabita anked nium posin winita < 1324970138 668375 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2m3a4g5i6 7m8a9t2i3o4 5p6l7a8k9e2s3t4i5c6 7p8a9w2n3 4j5u6g7l8i9a2b3i4t5a6 7a8n9k2e3d4 5n6i7u8m9 2p3o4s5i6n7 8w9i2n3i4t5a < 1324970261 155310 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRSquaredAway < 1324970753 441300 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_: Did you try that in ghci? < 1324971155 806417 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1324971160 185848 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I know it works. < 1324971163 213962 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I tried it elsewhere. < 1324971175 232842 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I already have my own little bot to do it) < 1324971229 349735 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1324971728 108642 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste bin/frink < 1324971731 701583 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.27399 < 1324971748 491578 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste /hackenv/lib/frink < 1324971751 998364 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.185 < 1324971788 718860 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink miles -> km < 1324971800 320181 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :25146/15625 (exactly 1.609344) < 1324972654 480348 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324973003 502758 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324973136 159734 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out another use of <>>= operator I made up, which is, like this: "Hello, World! The answer is 42." <>>= guard . (/= ' ') < 1324973154 254756 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course you can use it with any MonadPlus < 1324973345 789248 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, <>>= can be used with IO monad and with list monad. It can also be used with other monads but I have not used <>>= with any others < 1324973444 884862 :marapreykhus!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324973453 162081 :marapreykhus!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1324973457 68443 :marapreykhus!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net NICK :Ngevd < 1324973459 160407 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1324974209 474652 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324974455 574617 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net NICK :NihilistDandy|aw < 1324974483 21299 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324974554 519954 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a name for the applicatives where the "optional" function is lossy? IO is one of them (error messages get lost), but list isn't. < 1324974635 139609 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1324974998 139650 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1324975240 559043 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324975284 985848 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1324975667 827428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1324975870 296260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:49:32: `log .* < 1324975870 642212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:50:04: shuf: memory exhausted < 1324975871 794160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1324975873 752537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log < 1324975883 931819 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-05-06.txt:18:43:36: Conservapedia was pretty funny back in the day. < 1324975903 913029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/log < 1324975907 127618 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ cd /var/irclogs/_esoteric \ if [ "$1" ]; then \ grep -P -i -- "$1" ????-??-??.txt | shuf -n 1 \ else \ file=$(shuf -en 1 ????-??-??.txt) \ echo "$file:$(shuf -n 1 $file)" \ fi \ < 1324975950 56748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so without an argument it chooses the file first? < 1324976029 626149 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1324976045 565814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically shuf -n 1 should be implementable without memory overflow. < 1324976078 892393 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-209-151.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324976144 234542 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-188-9.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1324976563 970045 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :head: write error: Broken pipe < 1324976566 861849 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up with this.. < 1324976596 299528 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :frink '$expr'| head -n $linelimit | head -c $charlimit < 1324976601 59813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ceci n'est pas un pipe < 1324976605 64815 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :note this is inside a perl qx < 1324976616 531475 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the $'s are perl variables < 1324976651 109915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is $expr escaped properly < 1324976702 181041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait write error < 1324976721 593124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably head -c closes its end before head -n finishes reading? < 1324976735 95426 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm yes that could be it. < 1324976749 227865 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know if it does.. < 1324976756 524739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1324976759 280130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*writing < 1324976794 145264 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try reversing them < 1324976797 212459 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the pipeline < 1324976849 451702 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that fixed it. < 1324976867 669270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: They probably haven't bothered with special cases; and "shuf" itself of course isn't. < 1324976902 303587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds really stupid for head to be sensitive to that though, given that it's going to do the exact same thing against it's incoming pipe < 1324976907 548606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its < 1324976992 636269 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ceci n'est pas une intelligence consciente < 1324977416 921598 :jix!~jix@dronf.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1324977486 269981 :jix!~jix@dronf.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324977645 935703 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks it would be nice if lists were overloaded in Haskell. < 1324977671 394183 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically so that : and [] are typeclass methods and list literals/notation is overloaded to work with any kind of list-like structure. < 1324977679 203483 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it would break the whole :-is-capitalized thing < 1324977891 573918 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually wait, no it wouldn't < 1324977913 289635 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, yes it would. :P < 1324977919 664501 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wanted to continue using the convenient : notation. < 1324977927 810212 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you could just use a toList method. < 1324977939 245678 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then all of Data.List still only works with linked lists. < 1324977990 447346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* kallisti WILL TAKE HIS CASH PRIZE NOW < 1324978002 546822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's that toy money on top of the t-rex, right? < 1324978040 525496 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1324978289 840980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm just going to continue saying ridiculous things and Vorpal is going to continue believing that I mean it. <-- sounds like a plan < 1324978712 66578 :kallisti_!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net NICK :kallisti < 1324978875 580041 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324978881 652893 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1324978914 345352 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1324978945 135916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :morn du < 1324979378 4337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import Control.Monad; main = putStrLn . join . zipWith (\x y -> '\ETX':x:y:[]) (cycle "0123456789") $ "I wish this would work" < 1324979389 419408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no bot < 1324979417 550992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No bot is better than bad bot, like the saying goes. < 1324979444 973417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you a friend or a foe? < 1324979445 134986 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's just so stupid that ' stty erase h' has more bizarre results. it was, that he was overcome with the vastness, profundity, and fnord < 1324979495 77089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let that be a lesson to those who try stty erase h < 1324979544 55212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord '\ETX' < 1324979544 556445 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1324979605 110932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :1L2i3k4e 5t6h7i8s9? < 1324979641 414772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow I think his version also used the color code 0, white. < 1324979641 612476 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2I3 4t5h6i7n8k9 2h3i4s5 6v7e8r9s2i3o4n5 6a7l8s9o2 3u4s5e6d7 8t9h2e3 4c5o6l7o8r9 2c3o4d5e6 708,9 2w3h4i5t6e7. < 1324979692 641071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, the 0 got lost there, since there was nothing separating it from the preceding number. < 1324979718 828787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The above only cycles 2..9 to avoid black too.) < 1324979793 814515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :3Test < 1324979811 906342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Away to find the pot of gold at the end of < 1324979812 68446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the background one < 1324979813 121467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow2 < 1324979813 351421 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█ ...too much output! < 1324979834 504464 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just put in ^CN,Mfoo < 1324979915 483233 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1324979992 394040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((0,3 )(0,4 )):^!S(~:^:S*a~^~*a*~:^):^ < 1324979992 555886 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0,3 0,4 0,4 0,3 0,4 0,3 0,3 0,4 0,4 0,3 0,3 0,4 0,3 0,4 0,4 0,3 0,4 0,3 0,3 0,4 0,3 0,4 0,4 0,3 0,3 0,4 0,4 0,3 0,4 0,3 0,3 0,4 0,4 0,3 0,3 0,4 0,3 0,4 0,4 0,3 0,3 0,4 0,4 0,3 0,4 0,3 0,3 0,4 0,3 0,4 0,4 0,3 0,4 0,3 0,3 0,4 0,4 0,3 0,3 0,4 0,3 0,4 0,4 0,3 0,4 ...too much output! < 1324980084 151018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((0,2 )(0,4 )):^!S(~:^:S*a~^~*a*~:^):^ < 1324980084 312874 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0,2 0,4 0,4 0,2 0,4 0,2 0,2 0,4 0,4 0,2 0,2 0,4 0,2 0,4 0,4 0,2 0,4 0,2 0,2 0,4 0,2 0,4 0,4 0,2 0,2 0,4 0,4 0,2 0,4 0,2 0,2 0,4 0,4 0,2 0,2 0,4 0,2 0,4 0,4 0,2 0,2 0,4 0,4 0,2 0,4 0,2 0,2 0,4 0,2 0,4 0,4 0,2 0,4 0,2 0,2 0,4 0,4 0,2 0,2 0,4 0,2 0,4 0,4 0,2 0,4 ...too much output! < 1324980246 616811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((0,020)(0,041)):^!S(~:^:S*a~^~*a*~:^):^ < 1324980246 817321 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0,0200,0410,0410,0200,0410,0200,0200,0410,0410,0200,0200,0410,0200,0410,0410,0200,0410,0200,0200,0410,0200,0410,0410,0200,0200,0410,0410,0200,0410,0200,0200,0410,0410,0200,0200,0410,0200,0410,0410,0200,0200,0410,0410,0200,0410,0200,0200,0410,0200,0410,0410,0200,0410,020 ...too much output! < 1324980345 628923 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324980346 21003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if those numbers show up for everyone < 1324980766 236920 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey NICK :int21h < 1324980774 235764 :int21h!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey NICK :outbf < 1324980807 717634 :outbf!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey NICK :movewd0c00004 < 1324980834 880550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an assembly of nicks < 1324980960 628545 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1324981436 727312 :movewd0c00004!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1324984543 651477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1324984763 127740 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1324984901 984157 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324985686 716750 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324985808 326770 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1324985956 698083 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1324986356 858529 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324986356 858661 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1324986782 32683 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1324986782 232504 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1324986788 131422 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show rainbow2 < 1324986788 293059 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :((0)(15)(14)(1)(2)(12)(11)(10)(3)(9)(8)(7)(5)(4)(13)(6))(~^:()SSa~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a*~(█)S:^):^ < 1324986823 736855 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((0)(1)):^!S(~:^:S*a~^~*a*~:^):^ < 1324986823 898597 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :011010011001011010010110011010011001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010010110100110010110011010011001011010010110011010011001011001101001011010011001011001101001100101101001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010011001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010010110100110010110011010011001011010010110011010010110 ...too much output! < 1324986846 797975 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that exactly? < 1324987980 208356 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1324989128 639212 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (ap (zipWith id . map (*)) id) [1..10] < 1324989130 395721 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,4,9,16,25,36,49,64,81,100] < 1324989200 857192 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (ap (*)) [1..10] < 1324989201 665583 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Enum.Enum (a -> a)) < 1324989201 826989 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `e_1110' ... < 1324989214 267290 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (a -> a -> b) -> a -> b < 1324989214 843512 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Foldable foldl1 :: Foldable t => (a -> a -> a) -> t a -> a < 1324989215 5292 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Foldable foldr1 :: Foldable t => (a -> a -> a) -> t a -> a < 1324989215 5400 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude foldl1 :: (a -> a -> a) -> [a] -> a < 1324989228 633802 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\f x -> f x x) < 1324989228 864562 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :join < 1324989232 34178 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want join < 1324989233 325881 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (join (*)) [1..10] < 1324989234 254877 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,4,9,16,25,36,49,64,81,100] < 1324989263 688395 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, I am lagging, but I seem to be able to say things and read the logs < 1324989268 218650 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not the chat? < 1324989276 716115 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1324989296 908173 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324989353 234908 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My idea was weird and lame < 1324989421 424105 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> const (map (^2) [1..10]) "this does the same function" < 1324989422 514347 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,4,9,16,25,36,49,64,81,100] < 1324989618 739367 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (^2) [1..10] --this does the same function < 1324989619 783948 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,4,9,16,25,36,49,64,81,100] < 1324989735 229955 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like my way of doing comments. < 1324990647 293933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: The Thue-Morse sequence: 0 1 10 1001 10010110 1001011001101001 and so on. At least that's what it looks like. < 1324990821 36407 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D2A3.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324990846 192170 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324990989 745601 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324991015 344486 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1324991033 401813 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324991221 735541 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324991221 892098 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1324991785 284276 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1324991810 643359 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324991846 361856 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324991866 956582 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1324991964 977572 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1324992312 392471 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1324992385 989172 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324993467 546728 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1324993517 58751 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324993676 928725 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-031-165.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324993856 875105 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324993903 864008 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-16.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1324994470 564383 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324994470 800090 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1324994519 222542 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-142-190.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324995027 256649 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cci-209150237034.clarityconnect.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324995581 351153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1324995911 873481 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-10.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1324995912 126558 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-10.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1324995912 282641 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1324995976 972188 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-142-190.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324995998 51724 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1324996484 841432 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D2A3.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1324996724 236492 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-037-161.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324997016 826374 :incomprehensibly!~Adium@67-41-190-96.slkc.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324997029 569704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> '\xFF' < 1324997030 650766 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : '\255' < 1324997050 118644 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 'elliott' < 1324997051 174850 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : < 1324997051 331660 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at chara... < 1324997072 720075 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its true, lambda. we dont have any location info < 1324997133 804730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom of hexham < 1324997136 412417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :colloinkgravisom < 1324997138 965322 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's totally location info < 1324997166 614987 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:53:34: Any ideas for a Minecraft puzzle/adventure map? < 1324997166 771528 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:53:53: Specifically the grand finalay of a long one < 1324997175 614074 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb|Hovercraft: Dude. < 1324997180 77873 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb|Hovercraft: That's not how you spell finale. < 1324997229 466605 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes but I didn't want to find the accent < 1324997239 231038 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There... is... no... accent? < 1324997255 825523 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:58:55: "He attributed the north-up-superior/south-down-inferior presentation of most other world maps to cultural bias." < 1324997255 982031 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:58:58: loool < 1324997255 982237 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:59:03: north, just a cultural artifact, man. < 1324997259 206598 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there not? < 1324997265 184419 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Er, you do realise that north=up is as arbitrary as north=down? < 1324997265 487180 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes there is. he totally speaks with an accent. < 1324997267 56752 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that changes EVERYTHING! < 1324997288 896850 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:58:08: zzo38, why would anyone in here care about astrology? < 1324997289 53361 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:58:17: it is pointless < 1324997289 53550 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:58:26: and doesn't worek < 1324997289 53657 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:58:27: work* < 1324997303 649632 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal I think you will find there is not universal agreement about this in the channel. < 1324997304 129336 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1324997312 34968 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo only knows < 1324997372 620013 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope Vorpla joins the channel and says something really either obvious or controversial straight away < 1324997376 967027 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Vorpal < 1324997392 821506 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, says something straight away, not joins straight away < 1324997419 652136 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :your modifier was correctly placed, and as such, your meaning was understood < 1324997428 962025 :NihilistDandy|aw!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1324997442 21996 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost didn't understand me < 1324997448 211948 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:42:08: `paste bin/frink < 1324997448 388608 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:42:11: http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.27399 < 1324997448 545207 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:42:28: `paste /hackenv/lib/frink < 1324997448 545393 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:42:31: http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.185 < 1324997450 363764 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file lib/frink < 1324997453 638931 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lib/frink: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, not stripped < 1324997462 451924 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: It's compiled Java. < 1324997527 741592 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:26:30: * kallisti WILL TAKE HIS CASH PRIZE NOW < 1324997527 935240 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:26:42: that's that toy money on top of the t-rex, right? < 1324997531 350347 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Yes. < 1324997532 54801 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1324997551 721337 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote fizzie: it's just so stupid that ' stty erase h' has more bizarre results. it was, that he was overcome with the vastness, profundity, and fnord < 1324997552 1502 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp < 1324997555 165114 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :779) fizzie: it's just so stupid that ' stty erase h' has more bizarre results. it was, that he was overcome with the vastness, profundity, and fnord < 1324997736 753638 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: :D < 1324997737 59487 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: am i that much bad. take up, boy; open't. so, now go with, do miscarrie, thou had'st bin resolute pompey < 1324997959 462106 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cci-209150237034.clarityconnect.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I finished my article for Bloux today finally. Now, for the implemenation. < 1324997959 655277 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1324998005 472484 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, looks fun < 1324998044 155740 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cci-209150237034.clarityconnect.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still need to work on what logic sub-commands I will give the user < 1324998049 619219 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cci-209150237034.clarityconnect.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not too many, i think < 1324998276 948681 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324998469 853019 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324998512 37432 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324998589 868032 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324998952 740739 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played pinball game today, and I earned fifty-eight extra balls. The score reels only show five digits but I earned over one million points (it can display the score to you separately from the reels if you ask for game stat) < 1324998968 899114 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net NICK :Ngevd < 1324998988 782686 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're either much better at pinball than I am or have found a really broken machine < 1324999048 105856 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is actually a computer game. Normally you also get 2 more extra balls for beating the high score, but I don't like that feature so I removed it. < 1324999241 238731 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1324999261 11546 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the topic in the channel in Latin? < 1324999261 168125 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1324999287 295366 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I doubt it < 1324999288 200738 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : colloinkgravisom said 32m 42s ago: I think you will find there is not universal agreement about this in the channel. < 1324999291 545358 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :about what? < 1324999303 424396 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2011-12-27#144808colloinkgravisom < 1324999304 833308 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The usefullness of astrology < 1324999322 608123 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1324999352 418100 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, apart from the people who are into esoterica I very much doubt anyone here seriously believe in astrology < 1324999365 958474 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1324999367 65101 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :About whether or not astrology is pointless. Even if it is agreed that divination doesn't work, that doesn't necessarily mean astrology is full of solely completely useless and wrong data. < 1324999374 881748 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Feel free to continue digging your own hole after I try and nudge you out of it. < 1324999398 836384 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to dig a hole by hand please, not by tools < 1324999426 341176 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, I would have assumed that people here are too smart to believe it. But of course I may be wrong. < 1324999456 339512 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Is this what you think not digging yourself deeper looks like? < 1324999476 650667 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, I don't care about offending someone who believes in astrology. < 1324999500 275785 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: My palm is now firmly welded to my face. < 1324999510 346580 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe it either; I know better than both the people who do believe in astrology and the people who argue against it saying the position of the sun is wrong or whatever. < 1324999517 8742 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1324999554 219142 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, I was under the impression that a person in here who believed in astrology changed his mind? < 1324999555 55040 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you don't know better, I suggest you remove that userbox from your Wikipedia) < 1324999557 196932 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, good, that saves effort in future facepalming < 1324999600 474551 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, who was that? < 1324999603 562585 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't know. But I do know that oerjan made some horoscope for the first message of Agora Nomic, but without really understanding any of it < 1324999643 776546 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They simply used the default settings, made a screenshot of the horoscope, and copied the interpretation text. < 1324999834 772677 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how long it'll take for Vorpal to feel stupid, decides it'll be forever. < 1325000045 703474 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Some have suggested combining astrology with psychotherapy in a way that doesn't require any of its divinatory predictions to be correct.) < 1325000112 74166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I'm somewhat suspicious of that claim, but I lack the knowledge of what they are suggesting to make any sort of more precise statement about that. < 1325000199 155074 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As one person replied to Steiner (1945:210) when asked why she goes to an astrologer with her tropubles instead of to a psychologist: "An astrologer doesn't pry into all your secrets." < 1325000207 861559 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Tropubles" is in the original text) < 1325000228 739282 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if astrology worked they kind of would pry into your secrets XD < 1325000382 566996 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: O, yes. I suppose astrological psychotherapy is the way it is, then, because it is designed not to work and that is why it works. "Research indicates that, in factual terms, all astrological techniques are equally invalid. So use whatever technique you like, simple or complex, logical or crazy, it makes no difference. The only thing that matters is that you and your clients should like it." < 1325000424 575472 :xandy|!~xandy@static.75.47.47.78.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1325000427 969114 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure that works < 1325000428 881223 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome xandy| < 1325000433 318555 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xandy|: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1325000465 198887 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :xandy|: Look in wiki please, in case you didn't already (some people might find the wiki first and then the IRC) < 1325000465 936213 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42324.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325000489 335636 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, we could make a bot that kept track of who had been in here earlier and automatically told them that if they were new. < 1325000534 734567 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Did it get cut off? < 1325000545 646385 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what getting cut off? < 1325000564 411054 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The message is supposed to " at the end, the one that I wrote < 1325000570 349638 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had that < 1325000580 38907 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1325000597 472988 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, my irc client line add line breaks if a message is too long < 1325000670 735776 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think it was too long, I just wanted to make sure. Usually if a message fills up to three lines on my screen, it won't get cut off. So that is what I use < 1325001441 706495 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The placebo effect is held to be the underlying reason why any successful psychotherapy works." < 1325001467 22779 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thus a gelatine capsule filled with sugar, and given with the assurance that it will bring sleep, will actually do so for about one person in three (Melzack & Wall 1983)." < 1325001477 566161 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Placebos are effective even when people know they are receiving them (Levine & Gordon 1984), which should help astrology's effectiveness even when people believe there is nothing in it." < 1325001478 299374 :nys!~nys@96.44.77.235 JOIN :#esoteric < 1325001540 742111 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Indeed, the split is so wide that many psychologists now refer to the "scientist-practitioner gap," where "gap" is actually more like "war"." < 1325001546 2843 :nys!~nys@96.44.77.235 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1325001615 375726 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Skafte (1969), a psychologist and counsellor, tested the effect of introducing popular astrology (and palmistry and numerology) into personal and vocational counselling, for example by saying "a person born under your sign is supposed to enjoy travel -- does this sound like you?" The words were chosen to avoid implying validity and to promote dialogue. < 1325001627 227166 :nys!~nys@96.44.77.235 JOIN :#esoteric < 1325001689 920162 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325001787 9774 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325002534 673052 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D53F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325002541 329690 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, Leslie Nielsen and Liam Neeson are not the same person. < 1325002676 214830 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who told you they *were* the same person? < 1325002682 32313 :nys!~nys@96.44.77.235 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1325003030 998784 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one, but the names are so similar that when I saw either name, I thought "Guy from Airplane!" < 1325004223 970552 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325004825 312463 :SimonDectro!foobar@codu.org NICK :Gregor < 1325004923 921735 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I've been SimonDectro for quite a while X-D < 1325004955 225907 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --help < 1325004959 641481 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: words [-dhNo] [DATASETS...] [NUMBER_OF_WORDS] \ \ valid datasets: --eng-1M --eng-all --eng-fiction --eng-gb --eng-us --french --german --hebrew --russian --spanish --irish --german-medical --bulgarian --catalan --swedish --brazilian --canadian-english-insane --manx --italian --ogerman --portuguese --polish --gaelic --finnish --norwegian \ default: --eng-1M \ \ options: \ -h, --help this help text < 1325004983 842285 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --canadian-english-insane 40 < 1325004987 606452 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wood expurli avoudcappe sporally nitrain sulfover bebapp weave noneygregai ansensha liquoid piquel unad grancedalecturn centejud cretterorbit disessed vaitetrance rement fura sutummete hemetrop circular remut marlstere unopathima curtratin suppresting fostatine barpial rustic ponderweek out shaftonize arneura adahl mully requentrain borguel involum < 1325004988 722380 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the hell is canadian-english-insane? < 1325005000 641979 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :liquoid <-- yes < 1325005021 938777 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ponderweek <-- greatest < 1325005041 26910 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wood weave circular rustic out <-- it also generated a lot of real words < 1325005058 554763 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org NICK :Shaftonize < 1325005065 90819 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. So much yes. < 1325005131 484999 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :We gonna shaftonize this channel | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1325005178 487011 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott (whoever you are today): I expect you to /nick shaftonise < 1325005207 7390 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: ^^^ < 1325005234 515756 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm? < 1325005245 572001 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm Colloinkgravisom of Hexham! < 1325005269 670130 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But we gotta shaftonize this channel! < 1325005272 70042 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: And http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/natty/man5/canadian-english-insane.5.html < 1325005293 422999 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : This package provides the file /usr/share/dict/canadian-english-insane < 1325005293 619379 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : containing a list of English words with Canadian spellings. < 1325005293 619571 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : This list can be used by spelling checkers, and by programs such < 1325005293 619672 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : as look(1). < 1325005293 619774 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : . < 1325005293 923333 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : This is an even larger list than the one installed by wcanadian-huge, < 1325005295 926960 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : and possibly contains invalid words (as well as words that are very < 1325005297 929657 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : uncommon). Nothing prevents you installing both (and others) at the < 1325005299 932177 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : same time. < 1325005301 935052 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : . < 1325005303 938729 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : There are also -small and standard versions of this word list, < 1325005304 295175 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1325005305 940670 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : and there are wbritish* and wamerican* packages as well. < 1325005311 78702 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's "insane"-ly big. < 1325005329 870879 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still. < 1325005335 326707 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect you to /nick shaftonise < 1325005340 110672 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We gotta shaftonize this channel. < 1325005425 832497 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`word 50 < 1325005429 738052 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :undu gu coattes olzolftimancharghoblean efuntzionse peanorkjamjvas our tly prosegic restivoiriafs all sche talis riphisha endly rychroverment nefle tua ka imtusbutatiscetyl pusigalkelio hochesisman conareucorang go orprogis ri com enez mutiachinernis tcons xpossem ispoo pis fulotaicke beratber ged aruct fillate hanci strou traudupinse ric alkelihrs chiessoee pre fors latiking ing gresaler hted < 1325005461 1433 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: You're just too olzolftimancharghoblean. < 1325005890 53534 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes the dwarf planets are called subplanets, and someone called the planets the "uberplanets" and the dwarf planets the "unterplanets" < 1325005921 212314 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im planet < 1325006222 75519 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: What's Shaftonize's first name? I bet it's Jim. < 1325006224 548029 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jim Shaftonize. < 1325006233 54021 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jim Shaftonize and Colloinkgravisom of Hexham; they fight crime. < 1325006266 640283 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are glyphs for dwarf planets Haumea and Makemake? < 1325006415 691361 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uranus and Pluto each have two glyphs. Uranus has the astronomical glyph which can sometimes be confused with that of Mars, and the Herschel glyph which is more distinct and is the one usually used in astrology. Pluto has an astronomical "PL" glyph, and an astrological glyph which is similar to that of Neptune. < 1325006473 576014 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Some astrologers use the Herschel glyph for Uranus and the "PL" glyph for Pluto; these result in more distinct glyph than other choices. Astronomers do not use the glyphs much.) < 1325007511 656599 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the dwarf planets and nearly certain dwarf planets that don't already have glyphs should be given glyphs. Although (225088) 2007 OR10 should probably be given a name before it is given a glyph. < 1325007609 917811 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, for the planets and dwarf planets of our solar system; objects in other solar systems probably don't need glyphs. < 1325007691 352617 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: Dude, Shaftonize doesn't have a first name. < 1325007694 47637 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's just Shaftonize. < 1325007793 555066 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1325007870 23239 :Guest47310!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325008017 235935 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1325008024 156536 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: colloinkgravisom's superpower is killing the bad guys while they try to pronounce his name. Shaftonize's is ... well, suffice it to say he Shaftonizes them. < 1325008144 482012 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: X-D < 1325008172 442418 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: Which Helsinkian is behind the nefarious scheme? < 1325008182 402788 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helshipwreck. < 1325008200 694692 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --finish 40 < 1325008204 344259 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: finish < 1325008206 384410 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err < 1325008209 798961 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --finnish 40 < 1325008214 233932 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elpoilemina tarisma katshorjuman kiinnettiivoiduisempi siiltani psyviljet pääniksinuviytymin alustani mielevään fyys tärkitukeamattamakseen pääsevakseni tyllisellisi sellämme suomampana satalaisi puhelemme erologisempia virräpä tyyden kokoamalle varhaisimpänä kuvananne liimittaessa eliäisykseni utempinani syytämäävimmässämme vailemmistansa työstämissänne potpulanistiskunnikin cemballeegisimpää < 1325008215 470786 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just really wanted it to finish giving me words. < 1325008236 831260 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could fight Erologisempia. < 1325008578 244152 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: Is that fizzie? < 1325008583 341614 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fearsome Erologisempia of Helsinki. < 1325008590 540390 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1325008600 357478 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like "Syytämäävimmässämme" more. < 1325008604 797013 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very Finnish. < 1325008607 716231 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's his robowarrior. < 1325008609 995837 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1325008630 685939 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It babbles incoherently while Erologisempia escapes. < 1325008642 185117 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: Unfortunately, because the robot's speech recognition technology (written by fizzie himself) sucks really badly, he has never been able to give it a single command successfully. < 1325008647 398120 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just can't recognise its own name. < 1325008652 460903 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1325008664 885563 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither can the good guys though. < 1325008667 925137 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, y'know. There's that. < 1325008682 558909 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where does SuperTuring come in? < 1325008861 220298 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"LONZOBOT! I have told you to stop three times, but it seems you have a HALTING PROBLEM! I'm going to solve you right now, AXIOMATICALLY!" < 1325008962 10938 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325009137 530057 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd is sdfj < 1325009170 131238 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1325009180 359330 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wanted to know about magic hexagons < 1325009373 190225 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1325009375 470553 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does < 1325009376 951205 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the univers < 1325009388 325452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1325009495 72757 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1325009621 736768 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you here about the mathematician who took a bus to work? < 1325009656 950843 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He got lost < 1325009687 787475 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The punchline needs work < 1325009699 287757 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha, as if mathematicians could find employment < 1325009716 533228 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He works at a fast food restaurant in Helsinki < 1325009827 225097 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doesn't < 1325010175 712045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evening < 1325010175 907261 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1325010322 988365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell colloinkgravisom Okay. < 1325010323 149640 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1325010378 55584 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan It's not okay. < 1325010378 586819 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1325010407 226898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell colloinkgravisom Then why did you say yes. < 1325010407 423183 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1325010473 55042 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: I CAN'T TAKE THIS ANYMORE < 1325010478 945071 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan because science < 1325010479 560626 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1325010496 872245 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325010499 485724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell colloinkgravisom Ah. < 1325010499 641996 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1325010508 780469 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1325010516 634986 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan super science < 1325010517 108211 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1325010577 32885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : What is that exactly? <-- thue-morse sequence, also you missed the colors. < 1325010606 452721 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1325010606 979528 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1325010608 557908 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hwo did lambdabot < 1325010611 101575 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not tell oerjan about mesages < 1325010613 565347 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh he use /msg < 1325010614 965069 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like snek < 1325010619 181115 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@mesages < 1325010619 659123 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 4m 57s ago: Okay. < 1325010619 816098 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 3m 32s ago: Then why did you say yes. < 1325010619 816278 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 2m ago: Ah. < 1325010637 196257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION super snek < 1325010703 592881 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan snek >:-( < 1325010704 204685 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1325010864 69132 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Where does SuperTuring come in? // he's the stupidly over-powered superhero with no real weakness who's only written into the story as a mulligan when the writers realize they've painted themselves into a corner. < 1325010983 84526 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :++ < 1325011129 74447 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, here's my next impossible game idea (after ZEE, my first impossible game idea): A game in which you time-travel to absolutely any point in time (not just to certain periods), and the game engine propagates the results of your actions appropriately (runs Civilization against itself?) such that it maintains a consistent timeline. It would be like a very open-world RPG, with a selected group of "missions" that are only available if the timeline aligns < 1325011129 270340 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :such that the person to give you the mission exists; or, you could just futz with the timeline and make yourself king. < 1325011187 405951 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: The problem being that there has to be like at least one quest every few years or history is super boring, and writing a few thousand quests doesn't sound like fun. < 1325011210 393200 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: Quests could be available for the entire lifetime of individuals, or even whole families. < 1325011238 517601 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: That's still a few hundred quests at the VERY least :P < 1325011245 60890 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you assume only one family exists at any given time. < 1325011273 130102 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A) I did call this an /impossible/ game idea, B) I don't think that's outside the realm of reason? That seems only slightly above typical I'd estimate. < 1325011273 286841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or nations. like "regain our lost homeland from the infidels." that one seems to be quite popular. < 1325011307 832793 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) Yeah, but the best impossible things are possible things! (b) So you WANT to assume only one family is alive in the entire world for any given generation? < 1325011323 579563 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, not every point in history has to have quests, if you have some McGuffin device to tell you when to go. < 1325011381 530455 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say you go from 3000 BC (~Ancient Egypt) to present, and let's say there are 10 quests at any given time that are available for 200 years each... that's 250 quests. < 1325011393 634867 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I GUESS that would work, but 10 quests at any given period of history and not changing for 200 years seems lameish. < 1325011396 10217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the very borin tinsel age, where they had primitive metalworking but could only use it for decoration. < 1325011399 256750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+g < 1325011399 413158 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: But that makes it obviously possible :P < 1325011426 249864 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325011442 24602 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1325011444 780734 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: Honestly I don't think the difficult part is getting the quests/missions in. It's making the whole damned engine work such that you can kill a king and change a kingdom and all of the future, but kill a commoner and laugh as history doesn't remember him. < 1325011459 642199 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: I take it I don't have to point out how unrealistic that is. < 1325011504 845545 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: You have to have the ability to make some big changes, or it's just dulllllllll, although most changes should fold into consistent timelines in a few hundred years at most. < 1325011523 130804 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: ...no, I meant the commoner thing. < 1325011526 355679 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Butterfly effect, maan :P < 1325011545 722085 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :butterfly effect is a myth < 1325011565 830077 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahno. Unless that commoner also happens to be Jesus, you're probably OK. < 1325011579 403845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but, that commoner was the great great great great great great grandfather of einstein! < 1325011583 623444 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That line was a joke. But I think it's fairly obvious that even medium-fiddly time-travel expeditions could have pretty large effects *shrugs* < 1325011587 734312 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Statistics say no. < 1325011589 509126 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, probaly not a single commoner. < 1325011599 718641 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: Ohyeah, absolutely. < 1325011600 614478 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But presumably there's things you can to between killing a commoner and killing Jesus. < 1325011608 64435 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking for legal to watch Star Trek episodes. StarTrek.com has TOS, Enterprise, and TAS available < 1325011608 567763 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1325011611 526875 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the whole trick to it; if you pillage a whole town, it should have SOME effect on the future. < 1325011638 800447 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Anyway, how the heck do you define "myth", I'm pretty sure nobody has studied the effects of time travel on civilisation :P < 1325011640 599555 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, it's wholly impossible to run it such that individual-level changes CAN have an effect, but for the most part everything folds into a consistent global timeline. < 1325011661 334762 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: You... might be able to. < 1325011667 656917 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had other idea of computer games, such as five-dimensional pong < 1325011671 127387 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: You just need to treat everything as a set of fuzzy constraints. < 1325011689 209848 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: Like, the global timeline is basically a set of constraints saying "Christianity rises and economies go roughly like this and civilisations and blah". < 1325011693 184083 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: Yeh. With an obscene amount of tuning. < 1325011704 821307 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: i was just indicating that in the real world, things like weather have a large number of inputs, so even a large change to a part of that input is a small change to the whole of the input, hence to the system's future < 1325011706 906899 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: And time travel effects add additional constraints with various weights, and you have a crazy massively-special-casing algorithm to work out a world from that :P < 1325011715 550283 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :scamubtc4pp < 1325011717 97136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i read once that if you consider how tiny changes in timing would affect sperm cells, even the slightest change to history would basically wipe out everyone in the future after a few generations < 1325011735 705116 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yeah, I don't buy it, because not every system acts like that. < 1325011745 479790 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, that's obviously not true for a hash function :) < 1325011755 33317 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't think all real-world systems are as stable as the weather over time. < 1325011757 912873 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely not. < 1325011763 178102 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : quintopia: i read once that if you consider how tiny changes in timing would affect sperm cells, even the slightest change to history would basically wipe out everyone in the future after a few generations <-- the exact individuals, yes, but the overall societal behavior? No. < 1325011768 831687 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but even so, the things those people did would be done, by and large, by other people eventually < 1325011808 986006 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an academic consensus on whether WWII would have happened without Hitler? :p < 1325011816 122608 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(TAKE THAT GODWIN) < 1325011818 41749 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wipe out Fermat. What happens to mathematics? (At least, as far as math produced by the search for Fermat's Last Theorem goes) < 1325011820 361725 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: Also I was thinking of starting you off in a universe where your character has already fucked up history, so it doesn't have to match real history. < 1325011831 483054 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, I'm pretty sure it would have happened < 1325011835 955680 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't think large branches of mathematics were developed in pursuit of FLT... < 1325011839 426180 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: That way the algorithms don't have to be tuned to reality, just realism. < 1325011850 598549 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: there are systems that change dramatically based on small changes in human life, yes. memes travel because of people, and social networks can amplify some small things < 1325011851 954926 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: Well, yeah. < 1325011867 122746 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, for some reason, I was under the impression that there were < 1325011879 403353 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask oerjan. :p < 1325011906 112260 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine if Mark Zuckerberg had never gone to Harcard < 1325011913 594888 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/rca/rva/ < 1325011944 114350 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then those twins would have made facebook instead and there would have been no competitor for myspace until google worked something up < 1325011946 477522 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: We can only hope. < 1325011962 909728 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, imagine :P < 1325011963 66190 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd's scales of time suck. < 1325011965 237449 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HOPE THE PAST CHANGES. < 1325011966 576796 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :One lifespan is boring. < 1325011971 139808 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things work out on the century scale. < 1325011983 53339 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine if Octavian had never gone to Harvard < 1325011984 398732 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: That isn't really true these days... < 1325011990 215696 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's hard to deny that Facebook has had massive effects :P < 1325011998 484252 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: Prove it with your time machine. < 1325012025 374645 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONLY IF YOU GIVE ME A COPY OF ZEE < 1325012033 145605 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or had defeated Mark Antony earlier rather than forming the triumvirate with him and Lepidus < 1325012035 101062 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: Meet me in the future, I'm sure I'll have it. < 1325012058 519262 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1325012086 142768 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-10.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1325012086 528198 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-10.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1325012086 684520 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1325012100 72863 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is the name "asiekierka" familiar? < 1325012118 901741 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahah < 1325012122 991034 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought so < 1325012131 953848 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's a fan of Datastuck and an esoteric programmer < 1325012146 490623 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ish < 1325012148 629449 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For both < 1325012159 842654 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's our favourite* annoyance. < 1325012164 235091 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Maybe not actually favourite. < 1325012166 189171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: I don't think large branches of mathematics were developed in pursuit of FLT... <-- iirc ring theory got kickstarted from a botched proof of flt which assumed something like prime factorization worked for generalized numbers < 1325012183 121651 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Fair enough < 1325012198 494509 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binodu was an interesting concept < 1325012200 398920 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naw, elliott is our f[l]avo[u]rite annoyance. < 1325012212 144761 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O "Datastuck"? < 1325012242 202918 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, the unintentional Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff of MSPAFA's < 1325012282 893096 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: I'm the best flavourite. < 1325012308 648019 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread.php?33810-Datastuck < 1325012336 947620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION licks colloinkgravisom to test flavour < 1325012352 591459 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ham flavour < 1325012357 868131 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the sixth degree < 1325012474 856985 :salisbury!~salisbury@CPE001ee56061f0-CM0018c0c6731c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1325012575 908100 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :PORK! It's the meat of kings! It's made from pig, try it with onion rings! < 1325012691 702877 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: Fuck. < 1325012692 878794 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: You. < 1325012694 850191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it certainly tasted like long pig to me. < 1325012696 551613 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that's stuck in my head. < 1325012699 878485 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-D < 1325012863 706928 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: How much did your el cheapo Android tablet cost? < 1325012884 345251 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: IIRC, about $80? < 1325012907 236598 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: Darn... US beats UK on tech prices yet again :P < 1325012923 765528 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: Does yours have a super-secret super-unauthorised way to get the Android Market on it too? < 1325012956 745460 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1325012960 637747 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quote: "There's no access to the official Android Market built-in, but you can get apps from other app stores such as Handango or Opera Mobile Store. Most budget tablets don't have the official Android app store onboard because Google isn't too keen on certifying cheap kit." "To get the Android Market on this tablet click on settings, select applications and select hidden Google application. Go back to home screen and keep your finger < 1325012960 794298 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a empty space, an add to home screen pops up select widgets and select market icon , you can now sign in or make a new account by selecting the market icon on your home screen." < 1325012973 556772 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO LEGAL < 1325012986 167174 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: Super-unauthorised by Google that is, not the manufacturer :P < 1325012992 166758 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rooting it and installing it like that is cheating. < 1325013039 534629 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: The US loves cheap tech. < 1325013078 612812 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually, it's more accurate to say: tech companies like pretending that $1 = £1 = €1 = ¥100. < 1325013089 104651 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: YEAH BUT MINE HAS A 1 GHZ CPU < 1325013100 531306 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(... = 1.5 CAD = 2 AUD) < 1325013100 727199 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's actually not bad. Resistive screen though I assume? < 1325013100 883688 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now Shaftonize will tell me his has a 3 GHz dual-core Pentium 4. < 1325013107 569304 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: Nope, capacittatitiatiiievitive. < 1325013114 947664 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then that's not even a cheap tablet. < 1325013118 708084 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine is garbage. < 1325013125 546235 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: ...I didn't actually tell you how much mine cost though :P < 1325013127 465779 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION merely has a Kindle. < 1325013130 570192 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like 80 quid. < 1325013138 10311 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's budget in this rich, rich country. < 1325013142 872899 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FSVO rich) < 1325013156 892670 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, $125. Seems about right, little bit inexpensive for a capacitive. < 1325013158 660959 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is like a hella-cheap tablet with a neat screen and no touch screen. < 1325013165 461486 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I last stopped watching DS9 somewhere around early season 7 < 1325013165 980828 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: It's surprisingly non-shitty really, but it's still a really-tall-aspect-ratio 7" thing with a low-quality screen. < 1325013171 138778 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's connected with VGA or something :P < 1325013175 924875 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1325013176 300792 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I pick up where I left off, or rewatch some episodes? < 1325013185 869214 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But capacitive is what's really vital. Resistive touchscreens suck foot. < 1325013201 606980 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and thus not all that useful for anything but reading) < 1325013206 692320 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: Yah... although this one isn't THAT good a touchscreen, they say it's capacitative so :P < 1325013209 235492 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cpatpiactpicptjitvie. < 1325013216 981202 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... "they say"??? < 1325013220 404416 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: On the box. < 1325013225 429720 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... you can't tell? < 1325013235 37363 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: I've basically avoided resistive devices entirely. < 1325013240 52196 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So uh... go me :P < 1325013251 60360 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's capacitive, I'm sure. < 1325013256 900889 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: Also WHY DID NOBODY TELL ME ABOUT SWYPE BEFORE??? < 1325013258 934393 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: Resistive touchscreens feel like a sheet of plastic over the screen. You can actually feel it indent slightly when you push on it. < 1325013264 957501 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, it's not that. < 1325013273 470049 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you actually have to push. < 1325013292 462761 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If swype is usable without wanting to kill yourself, then it's not resistive. < 1325013308 757299 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah :P < 1325013319 727962 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is *a* sort of benefit to a resistive touchscreen, though. You can get really insane input resolution on it. < 1325013319 935700 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swype makes up for the fact that the built-in on-screen keyboard is the worst thing I've ever used. < 1325013337 274652 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, unless you're using a stylus who gives a shit, your finger is Fat. < 1325013347 825653 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At first I was like "shiiiit now I know why everyone thinks the iPhone's keyboard is so much better" and then I was like "OMG THIS IS COOLER THAN DASHER". < 1325013350 494922 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTUAL THOUGHTS < 1325013393 448422 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I think if I had any interest in a tablet PC I'd probably go with a "legit" brand, and maybe one of the few convertibles with detachable keyboards. < 1325013421 793567 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The detachable keyboard thing is ehhhhhhhh since you know it's gonna be really low-quality and small. < 1325013431 696206 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So are laptop keyboards. < 1325013436 441102 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the same :P < 1325013440 129305 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah. If you're getting a tablet as a toy, then why bother spending a lot? < 1325013456 680484 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :'struth. < 1325013459 873202 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm SO tempted to try and put Inferno on mine. < 1325013464 200210 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So tempted. < 1325013479 794481 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know how to un-brick it if I fuck up the OS :P < 1325013499 280014 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Query: should I root my Kindle? And if so, WTF should I do with it? < 1325013533 843656 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Install GNOME. < 1325013544 243761 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will be the best trainwreck ever. < 1325013545 727994 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: Jesus I dunno if even X would be sane here. < 1325013580 962400 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: X on the DR800SG is AWESOME. < 1325013610 366226 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, you shouldn't root your Kindle, eInk sux for ... everything but reading. For reading it's awesome. < 1325013630 751551 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: I thought a Kindle would be great for IRC but then I realised it'd have to fully redraw every line :( < 1325013634 30255 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need, like, scrolling e-ink. < 1325013647 352019 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a roll of e-ink that it just rotates and wipes when it gets to the other side. < 1325013649 342305 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how e-ink works. < 1325013656 699156 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: Yeah, it is totally awesome for reading. < 1325013680 661139 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: jeeze I could install Debian on here. < 1325013717 368316 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Run Chrome on it. < 1325013722 119751 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compile LLVM on it. < 1325013724 92803 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: http://www.mobileread.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=75336&d=1312936864 < 1325013725 231420 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux from Scratch it. < 1325013733 312126 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use it as a web server OMG DO THIS < 1325013741 535928 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the free 3G stuff has open ports :P < 1325013760 97136 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: CUT YR NAILS < 1325013772 118155 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: Only my thumbnails are long; my cat appreciates them. < 1325013773 741179 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: Mine doesn't have the free 3G. :( < 1325013786 428651 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some ideas about variant of Magic: the Gathering rules (just meant to be ideal rules and not necessarily related at all to actual cards that need kludgy rules to work): < 1325013801 408419 :PiRSquaredAway!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiesAreRound < 1325013823 637683 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Host things on it anyway :P < 1325013830 27568 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still REALLY want to host things off my router... < 1325013870 220242 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remove the state-based effect that causes tokens to cease to exist, and instead replace it with this: Objects can have what is called its "initial state", which refers to what is written on the card. Objects with current state and initial state are "cards". Objects with current state but no initial state are "tokens". Other objects are neither cards nor tokens. < 1325013937 103700 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: Fairly trivial; I can get root on here without much effort, so. < 1325013949 325191 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When an object is moved from one zone to another (but with a few exceptions), the old object is destroyed, and if it had an initial state, a new object is created from its initial state in the destination zone. Under this rule, the state-based effect causing tokens to cease to exist is not required, and copies of spells also count as tokens, which can even allow Artifact/Creature/Enchantment spells to be copied. < 1325013953 527030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chroot-debian and OpenOffice on the N900 is the best idea too. < 1325013965 45509 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Does that even... run? < 1325013971 790959 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ehh, phones are powerful these days. < 1325013978 858364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it... stumbles. < 1325013982 156258 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't say it "runs". < 1325013983 78879 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenOffice on a router, however... < 1325013999 456893 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dream has always been to be able to somehow run a complete computer off just a router, with internet access. < 1325014004 245577 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also dislike the rule that the state-based effect causing auras that are also creatures to be discarded, and equipments that are also creatures to become unattached. < 1325014006 54797 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugged into a monitor, mouse, and keyboard. < 1325014029 255309 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, routers still have like 32 megs of RAM :P < 1325014042 408558 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine has 64! That should be enough for everyone? < 1325014051 516555 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite often they have USB ports (for mass-storage sharing and/or 3G stick backup connection) so at least you can plug all that in. < 1325014076 924488 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: It should be enough to install Forth, and some networking stuff. < 1325014078 832260 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: FSVO all; most monitors don't have USB interfaces. < 1325014087 193524 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it's just a matter of hacking up an adapter and writing a driver. :p < 1325014157 164257 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Although you can get those mini 8" USB display things. < 1325014162 111884 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another rule of Magic: the Gathering I would have is one that prohibits non-existent objects from dealing damage. If you change a card's power after damage is assigned, the damage won't change; but if the card is moved to another zone (even if it is subsequently moved back into play), the damage is prevented. < 1325014186 219654 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: So, you didn't join our discussion of my BRILLIANT game idea < 1325014203 265389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get a "USB/VGA adapter", aka USB-connected display card. (At least one brand is selling that making it look like it's just an adapter cable.) < 1325014204 500241 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do tell < 1325014209 47097 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where by "BRILLIANT" I of course mean "impossible") < 1325014210 564158 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You did... < 1325014223 590895 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: Y'know, it'd be easier if you didn't have a fixed history, and procedurally generated everything. The hard part there is quests... < 1325014243 339895 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: I had no desire for a fixed history. < 1325014245 39533 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: But "assign quest structures to relevant people/nations/etc. so that they work out" seems easier than "make history modification work on a fixed world" :P < 1325014252 861313 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: was it about superturing? cuz i never actually read that convo < 1325014254 406121 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: Yeah, but I mean, just generate a whole world and simulate it. < 1325014257 628589 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: >_< < 1325014264 492891 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: The time travel one. < 1325014267 508419 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: Naturally. < 1325014269 136203 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the time yeah < 1325014272 982433 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another rule I dislike is the rule that says if a Land card has other types too, you do not use the rules for playing a card of that other type. It should be unnecessary because if it has no mana cost, it cannot be played as another type anyways. < 1325014278 252760 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: That's why I wanted to start the game with "you've already fucked up history" < 1325014279 197253 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: Well, that makes the time travel part easy... < 1325014285 486183 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: "Easy". Yeah. < 1325014285 642616 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: You just throw away the future and re-simulate the world. < 1325014285 799173 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt know someone was seriously considering making such a game < 1325014307 717282 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'm not, just poking the idea with a stick. < 1325014318 366355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISRT someone was looking for an "USB to HDMI cable" for uploading movies to eir media players. That was quite confusing. I think it was supposed to go in-between an USB port on a computer and the HDMI out of the media box. < 1325014323 548379 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/RT/TR/ < 1325014329 837862 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: The problem with generating the future is, like I said before, allowing things to propagate to higher-level changes without every change you make just effing up all of the future. < 1325014344 398415 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making it propagate to wider changes but also stabilize. < 1325014346 802503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if you can get movies out of a hole, surely you can stuff some movies in the same way? < 1325014347 998875 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'd like such an adapter < 1325014360 697104 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: That's just a case of "having a stable world simulation algorithm"... < 1325014370 708741 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i tried to get a vga-rca thing once but it sucked and didnt work < 1325014371 225845 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If removing a peasant fucks up your world sim massiely, your sim sucks. < 1325014393 182455 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: But if killing an entire royal family doesn't cause a change that lasts at least a century, it also sucks. < 1325014418 878140 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: So it has to be able to sim at a very high level, then whenever it's demanded, generate further details from the simulation. < 1325014441 478914 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :While making those further details completely consistent with the simulation at large. < 1325014445 490910 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: Just simulate at full detail always, and hand-wave it by making time travel difficult. < 1325014454 731114 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. you have to operate the time machine while it simulates everything :P < 1325014462 145346 :Guest47310!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net NICK :Klisz < 1325014465 311047 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. < 1325014466 842569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, it was Deltaco, and they have a product called "USB 2.0 to DVI/HDMI/VGA adapter". It's an "USB to HDMI cable", just not the right sort. < 1325014488 788412 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: Of course the CPU requirements will suck, but you don't need to do things to the detail of, say, DF. < 1325014490 464765 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Full detail" would essentially mean that a few selected people are important at an individual level, the rest are important only at a group level. < 1325014496 885244 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: You can just make up the very fine detail /on the spot/. < 1325014501 444397 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: As in, you never ever store fine detail or anything. < 1325014512 844586 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just do things at a medium level, and then Make Shit Up when you load the level. < 1325014525 85147 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's fine, it'll change regularly, and so nobody can complain... < 1325014543 76965 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What was Deltaco? < 1325014552 681567 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's that "make shit up" that's complicated, because the things you do to that made-up shit may have larger consequences, for instance if you take a nuke to the middle ages and destroy France. < 1325014556 185578 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1325014558 648266 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/a nuke/several nukes/ < 1325014580 71074 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once made up a Magic: the Gathering card that once it phased out, it remained phased out for the rest of the game; but in the new rules it would phase in normally. < 1325014611 509851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: The brand that sells their USB display card thing as an "USB to HDMI adapter". < 1325014619 369202 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's that "make shit up" that's complicated, because the things you do to that made-up shit may have larger consequences, for instance if you take a nuke to the middle ages and destroy France. < 1325014624 93866 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ah. < 1325014626 653916 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: That's not very made-up shit. < 1325014628 958038 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's high-level shit. < 1325014663 913473 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1325014666 961709 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, lemme try again: < 1325014676 442261 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You go back to France, and run around a kill literally everyone, one by one. < 1325014682 826233 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes you several days. < 1325014688 890351 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are playing this game like an idiot for some reason. < 1325014715 715811 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: OK, I don't mean that you should ignore the entire world because lol everything is made out of atoms. < 1325014726 842825 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could just think of them as numbers at this scale. < 1325014731 850775 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: I mean that when you get into your time machine, you just take a /medium-level/ snapshot of the world state. < 1325014738 810055 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would, in this case, include "there's nobody fucking alive". < 1325014745 658273 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then run a simulation at /that/ level, saving tons and tons of CPU time. < 1325014762 419085 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then when you load the level, you, uh, do nothing because there's no villages or people to name or w/e :P < 1325014763 92032 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, so my point is just that your transition to and from scales has to be completely consistent. Such that if you drop in, have a coffee, then leave, you won't eff things up. < 1325014766 619051 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just very delicate is all. < 1325014775 778261 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: Well, right. < 1325014835 627815 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: Easy solution: Your time machine always breaks and needs [quest part] to start it again :) < 1325014846 499936 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blehlame. < 1325014858 757414 :scamubtc4pp!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin < 1325014864 988637 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's supposed to be very open-world. If you want to just adjust the universe to your liking, you can do that, THEN go on quests. < 1325014869 591914 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is the DS9 intro music so grating? < 1325014907 89651 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the ds9 music < 1325014926 541447 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's not grating, just boring. < 1325014930 397995 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TNG opening is only opening. < 1325014950 917949 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :DS9's opening music is not as grating as Janeway's voice. < 1325014951 814276 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :QED. < 1325014961 866693 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: Interesting idea of a game but like you said is probably completely impossible for more than one reason < 1325014967 286744 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I GOT FAIIIITH OF THE HEART < 1325014969 222882 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: So, so many reasons. < 1325014979 102562 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: THAT SHOW DOES NOT EXIST. < 1325015150 939095 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: You ain't got STRENGTH OF THE SOUUUL < 1325015200 922626 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: So, whaddya say, time travel game's source code maintained in scape🐐? Sound good? < 1325015237 477087 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: Absolutely. < 1325015263 48954 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: (Do you have that assigned to Compose g o a t or something?) < 1325015274 419298 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually look it up every time >_> < 1325015340 316095 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.discovery.com/tech/motorized-shoes-111222.html <-- motorized shoes. The maker recommends riders weigh no more than 180 pounds. Which is ironic because anybody who needs effing MOTORIZED SHOES weighs more than 180 pounds. < 1325015368 382424 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325015384 104996 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A problem: it lacks support < 1325015386 308377 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1325015394 47719 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the middle line in a haiku < 1325015406 852499 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With Haiku I found < 1325015413 393216 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For my wifi card < 1325015419 397518 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the first and last < 1325015443 805630 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: Dude, who cares about need? I WANT motorised shoes. < 1325015453 171297 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll start again < 1325015458 164026 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I forgot something. < 1325015459 443364 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1325015467 680914 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd... < 1325015476 729728 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1325015477 977387 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: Hey, man. To be fair to Enterprise, it *could* have been good. < 1325015478 971073 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1325015492 886565 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you replaced everything past "let's have a show set when the Federation is forming". < 1325015518 162862 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we take a minute to gawp at how friggin' hyper Ngevd is? < 1325015558 950510 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I take a minute to gawk at the word "gawp"? < 1325015572 851686 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1325015583 855131 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1325015611 843730 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1325015618 509924 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: I prefer Perl. < 1325015803 898301 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insofar as I don't rightly know [g]awk, I suppose I do too ... < 1325015906 981996 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Essentially, the Fmap constructor also allows us to define a properly < 1325015907 158480 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lazy function const . " < 1325015915 590183 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolq < 1325015917 635718 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*." < 1325016057 569346 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What happens to referential transparency when distinct things are all < 1325016057 744877 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :defined by the same equation? < 1325016057 901898 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... = let x = x in x < 1325016057 902104 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :undefined, seq, unsafeCoerce, and many other "primitives" are defined using < 1325016057 902214 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that equation. (See GHC.Prim)" < 1325016064 97145 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: remember that solla guy? < 1325016082 147430 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he is now making claims based on the dummy GHC/Prim.hs source that exists only to generate Haddock documentation :D < 1325016234 350613 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325016265 468545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : colloinkgravisom: So, whaddya say, time travel game's source code maintained in scape? Sound good? <-- and implemented in feather, of course < 1325016388 248693 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You fucked up that goat... < 1325016458 93233 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1325016522 820615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, i just cut and pasted < 1325016528 796478 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: Tell him he fucked the goat. < 1325016531 993830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except at the line ends < 1325016582 108601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot see any difference in the logs, they are both perfectly fine empty squares. < 1325016588 478023 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU FUCKED THE GOAT < 1325016607 648182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in irc they are both perfectly fine invisible empty spaces. < 1325016645 751089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess what i'm trying to say, is i have no idea what you are talking about. < 1325016758 600674 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: YOU < 1325016759 706272 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: FUCKED < 1325016760 576432 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: THE < 1325016761 504335 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: GOAT < 1325016778 530637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i broke colloinkgravisom. < 1325016786 732160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :again. < 1325016798 703345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The goat is a U+01F410 or something, while yours is just a U+F410. < 1325016824 257880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1325016846 68095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ASTRAL PLANES strike again. < 1325016879 748606 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Sometimes, the terms “astral plane” and “astral characters” are used informally to refer to the planes above the Basic Multilingual Plane (planes 1–16) and their characters.") < 1325016888 355696 :PiesAreRound!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRSquared17 < 1325016925 992162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, trying to paste the correct one into irssi gives two periods instead. < 1325016976 321142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "e..?" < 1325016976 783541 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "e..?" < 1325016989 543406 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: THE GOAT REMAINETH FUCKED < 1325016992 521217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "e?" < 1325016993 284138 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : < 1325016993 440561 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at chara... < 1325017000 913433 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnord? < 1325017041 786148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: it would appear irssi is not utf-8 clean, then < 1325017072 241204 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's Perl, isn't it? < 1325017073 280322 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it C. < 1325017076 208991 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie knows. < 1325017078 809248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :C for the most part. < 1325017086 826083 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhow, it almost certainly tries to decode what you input. < 1325017087 971127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Perl scripting thing. < 1325017092 170421 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's more likely that they just fucked up the astral planes. < 1325017129 757756 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :XChat just shows it as a box with the codepoint number in, since I don't have any 🐐-fonts. < 1325017170 571246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it could also be putty's fault < 1325017184 963327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I paste this 🐐 into irssi here, all I get is a single Unicode missing-character "?"-in-a-blob symbol. < 1325017194 72399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even something between. < 1325017280 314977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately: eiväthän ääkköset ole enää ongelma. < 1325017336 615868 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --finnish 20 < 1325017340 702897 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tavistiriä ryöppyäviivempänäni aleni keutulkitseville numaamianne hämääräilyssä rottavalla koboelläsittamme purkautuvallisi hyllyttäneljänne kahlaan puhutkismaimero hyllentavanaan tuotavissa sykliseli edellänsä kirjakavamme varroksellisi hyötävältä mahtajatkemykseva < 1325017439 178480 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you live in keutulkitseville? < 1325017470 706500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't live in "keu-for-the-interpreting". < 1325017500 775242 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm interested in possible ways to supply parameters into my program. It is a physical simulation and I need to input temperature, number of steps and so on. < 1325017500 950199 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I need these parameters to be pure so I can't use IO in any way. Hence at least part of my program have to be recompiled each time. What is the best method to achieve this? < 1325017501 106519 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I remember xmonad uses the same technique." < 1325017503 67385 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what..................... < 1325017509 187042 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :D < 1325017515 516166 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But you eat a lot of ryöppyäviivempänäni, right? < 1325017604 595445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I eat a lot of "being-my-rushing-delayedmost". (Okay, that is not grammatic and took a lot of poetic license + map-to-nearest-sensibleing.) < 1325017650 773615 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1325017670 689232 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I bet you go to the mahtajatkemykseva for a quick tuotavissa all the time. < 1325017672 110932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, s/most/more/ < 1325017692 887550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ryöpytä" to cascade, to rush; "ryöppyävä" rushing; "viive" delay, "viiveempi" maybe sort-of more delay-like, "viiveeni" my delay, "viiveenäni" sort-of being my delay, as my delay. < 1325017717 701288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tuotavissa" = "can be brought". I can't quite make anything up for "mahtajatkemykseva", sorry. < 1325017737 239525 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-037-161.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325017752 265889 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like a Buddhist title or something. < 1325017769 157930 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It fails at vowel harmony < 1325017789 285967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That it does. < 1325017864 819926 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's just not a and \"a? < 1325017892 359087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's [yöä] and [uoa] not in the same word. < 1325017896 180353 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With [ie] being neutral. < 1325017915 889978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except if you have a compound word it's enough that each part is vowel-harmonic. < 1325017924 76293 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... see. < 1325017934 413390 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do most Finns know this stuff? < 1325017936 472270 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-10.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1325017936 824751 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-10.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1325017936 981048 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1325017941 423691 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like you need an instruction manual to speak your language. < 1325017962 73623 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just doesn't sound right if it breaks the rules, you don't need a manual for it. :p < 1325017979 937391 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How's the koboelläsittamme?" "Ooh, er, let me check my Pocket Finnish Ruleset to see if that's a valid word." < 1325018030 176881 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325018033 797201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The inflectional suffixes get realized using the matching vowels based on what comes first, so "talo" => "talolla" -lla, "mäki" => "mäellä" -llä. < 1325018062 417901 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... I might not want to start explaining which rules turn the base "mäki" into "mäe", though... < 1325018104 260321 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You make even a Hexhamite want to learn your crazy, crazy language. < 1325018109 242758 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to figure out how it works. < 1325018175 133069 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Seriously though, how many of your young just give up on learning your fucking language? < 1325018188 972922 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you give them picture books with footnotes saying "Note the vowel harmony!" < 1325018214 690981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what i don't understand is how you can tell that mahtajatkemykseva cannot just split into compound words < 1325018231 758313 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Finns are born with a dictionary table in their minds. < 1325018236 437810 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a microchip thing. < 1325018257 597578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're learning the "regular" way, you just sort of get it by exposure, I think; foreigners learning as a second language probably do give up, though. < 1325018258 182561 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They get automatic upgrades when new words appear over WiMax. < 1325018288 648209 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the 50s they were big radios, that's why Finns used to be called squareheads. < 1325018344 156084 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The technology, of course, was originally invented by the Chinese, so their moon language could be spoken by more than a handful of mutants. < 1325018393 11789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I guess it could be a compound word if there was anything sufficiently word-like (and not just pile-of-suffixes-like) in the back end. I mean, "mahtajapässi" would be a fine compound [mahtaja][pässi], but when it's "mahtajat", as in the plural of "mahtaja", it's not as easy to compound afterwards; you don't inflect in the middle of compounds, after all. The plural of "ovimies" is "ovimiehet", not "ovetmiehet". < 1325018419 82917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Doorman, doormen; not doorsmen.) < 1325018445 722632 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surgeons general. < 1325018446 708856 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what you're saying is it's like doorsmenationablyesque. < 1325018454 312347 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: Win. < 1325018459 890332 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: That's the best word. < 1325018465 760324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a compound word, that's one of your freaky two-word words. < 1325018499 788749 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's a single word that is written with a space. < 1325018513 132037 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not... really. < 1325018521 604587 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Surgeons general" is correct because they're the surgeons that are general. < 1325018561 783889 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: "Surgeon General" in US English is a rank. < 1325018584 650939 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-023-130.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325018594 177768 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rank of the head of the Public Health Service Commissioned Corps. < 1325018629 868239 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus far there have been 18 Surgeons General. < 1325018651 694870 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You totally fucked that goat. < 1325018681 329015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the classical informal tests of "do I spell this as a compound word or as two separate words" (something that people nowadays seem to have a *lot* of trouble with) in Finnish is to consider "does it make sense if I put some suffixes after the first word". So "koripallo" is a compound word because "korinkin pallo" doesn't make sense, but "paikan päällä" is separate because "paikankin päällä" sounds just fine. (I'm sure there are exceptions; < 1325018681 485551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Korpela has said this particular rule causes more harm than good, for example.) < 1325018722 966896 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote [...] "paikankin päällä" sounds just fine < 1325018726 372249 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :780) [...] "paikankin päällä" sounds just fine < 1325018762 731498 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"korinkin pallo" makes perfect sense :-P < 1325018778 804519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaftonize: i guess i'm destinated to be oerjan goatfucker from now on. < 1325018784 752895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*destined < 1325018805 747197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I guess I was supposed to try it with "korikin pallo", or something. As said, it's a silly rule. < 1325018829 319601 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can build a hundred bridges, but if you suck ONE cock! < 1325018831 453741 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-kin" is the usual, I think. Not sure if it works more or less often though. < 1325018891 901788 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why don't you just write everything as one word? < 1325018909 369056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We just don't. :p < 1325018914 182648 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Have you ever tried? < 1325018927 517048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ithinkthatmightbesortofhardtofollowandlookstupidtoo. < 1325018931 88468 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Finnish mora-timed or something? "päällä" just seems really strange otherwise. < 1325018943 273715 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be German. < 1325019010 715090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: "Finnish, -- are commonly quoted as examples of syllable-timed languages." < 1325019028 596936 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, basically yes. < 1325019056 177095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what's strange about "päällä". Doubling a phoneme basically gives a length increase, and that's that. < 1325019064 256621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All phonemes except /ʋ/ and /j/ can occur doubled phonemically with the result being a phonetic increase in length. Consonant doubling always occurs at the boundary of a syllable in accordance with the rules of Finnish syllable structure. < 1325019064 412654 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some example sets of words: < 1325019064 412835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :tuli = fire, tuuli = wind, tulli = customs" < 1325019077 509143 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It seems strange *unless* you've got timing like that. < 1325019077 666309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ppäääällllää < 1325019140 935965 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syllable-timed isn't the same thing as mora-timed. < 1325019177 17914 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, merely similar. < 1325019180 373274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And doubled plosives are pronounced with a longer stop, in case that wasn't clear from the above.) < 1325019325 296678 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably should've said "syllable", though; it's really pretty rare that morae are considered important in a language... < 1325019359 918811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :language morals < 1325019405 785487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/Finnish.html has Korpela's short introduction of Finnish for foreigners. It's probably factually more correct than a randomly chosen native speaker. < 1325019420 84419 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also not very long. < 1325019427 533765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's why it's called short.) < 1325019459 771405 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Please tell me that Korpela guy is a celebrity in Finland. < 1325019476 686943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's a... pseudo-celebrity in some circles, I think? < 1325019477 34828 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some circles. < 1325019549 599238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's sort-of famous for his non-friendly dismissal from his job at our university, for example. < 1325019598 676734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also of http://reminder.tontut.fi/reminder.jpg < 1325019606 643470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Et vaan osaa!" = "You just can't!" < 1325019621 915109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wasn't this mentioned in Wikipedia at some point? Or at least Uncyclopedia or something?) < 1325019658 855949 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just can't what? < 1325019687 811092 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, "you just don't know how to do it", that would perhaps be more accurate. < 1325019721 584723 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did he get dismissed for breaking vowel harmony. < 1325019734 768564 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not just a good idea, it's the LAW. < 1325019747 411211 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly realises he has no idea what he's referencing with that. < 1325019787 562867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: some matter of gravity. < 1325019800 915729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which probably itself references something. < 1325019859 745415 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The rest is mostly explained by my education (pure mathematics and a little physics, philosophy, and statistics) and my employment at Helsinki University of Technology Computing centre from 1974 to 2001. (So what happened in 2001? See the site history.)" < 1325019868 381464 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, time for the JUICY DETAILS. If it doesn't involve vowel harmony I'm quitting IRC. < 1325019878 718039 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325019891 870561 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"work effectively terminated by the employer's actions 2001-01-17" THAT TELLS ME NOTHING < 1325019892 624131 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It involves character set issues. :p < 1325019909 758950 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Please tell me you're serious. < 1325019935 260980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was a character too set in his ways < 1325019947 194234 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that you mention it, I distinctly recall either you or Deewiant linking to some probably-web-browser encoding settings dialogue in Finnish and saying something with the letters "Korpela" in it nearby. < 1325019947 374505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1325019958 16565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, almost. I'm not sure if the saga is explained anywhere in English. The official reason was "neglecting duties", but he disputes that. < 1325019966 576081 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did he get fired for configuring his browser's default character set wrongly. < 1325019979 175697 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cracked the Finnish mystery. < 1325020013 884519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, uh... tried to translate a Finnish thing with Google. It didn't... go well: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Feverybo.dy.fi%2Fotax_legendat.html < 1325020045 298731 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1325020051 922024 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://koti.kapsi.fi/juanttil/yucca/ This seems to translate... marginally better. < 1325020054 793673 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Found a link.) < 1325020065 400850 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's more about the dismissal. < 1325020086 351684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first page is about former-TKK-internal-newsgroups phenomenology. < 1325020096 932542 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And that's exactly how things stand was: "Jukka Korpela F6suhde Teknillisess ty = = E4 = E4, college p = E4ttyy." Um. < 1325020101 161468 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"" < 1325020112 82687 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finns are weird. < 1325020153 760849 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You chef postings removed from the request. " < 1325020156 295631 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn it. < 1325020157 60664 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Remember that you represent the guild there on the road. Good < 1325020157 239509 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : viinapää does not mean that pulled that much booze, and is dill < 1325020157 395709 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : team, but that would take even that much alcohol, can behave < 1325020157 395949 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : smartly. Nobody is offering Swedish piss in the glass, no one will pull the < 1325020157 396076 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : äksiä on the floor and everything behaves intelligently anyway. Kill is already below < 1325020157 639047 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Otaniemi känniääliömaine horrible, and it's reputation to spread < 1325020159 564281 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : and internationally. < 1325020170 998875 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's removing my chef postings. < 1325020171 154931 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bastards. < 1325020183 508121 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not you just can not! And part of the multi-else. The most famous was a link to this message http://reminder.ton.tut.fi/, but later also http://tinyurl.com/ely2 - however, these have now stopped working. Today is http://www.ely2.com . When someone does something to the part of him can be a short concise way to say "reminder" or "ely2". The fact that, Jukka K. Korpela, there is no self that behind the image, but it is made by someone e < 1325020183 681983 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lse over. Korpela, however, the picture is quite striking, because he has become famous for the fact that he knows, and knows very wide range of almost everything. < 1325020200 582860 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the fact that he knows, and knows very wide range of almost everything." ;; so it's all Finns, not just fizzie and Deewiant? < 1325020224 708005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thegravityposter.com/historyof_01.html < 1325020257 493648 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So I had to reconstruct my site. Naturally, this was also an opportunity, or a necessity, to consider its organization and content too. Several friendly people had set up copies, or "mirrors", of my site, although they had to be based on incomplete data. Anyway, there was no immediate need to establish a new "home", since most of my material was somehow accessible. There was a lot to think about, and a lot to go through, and I had some < 1325020257 669505 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :decisions to make. Given that (under Finnish and EU legislation) I am the copyright owner of my material, HUT having got just the right to use it (which the decision-makers decided to prevent), I had the opportunity to sell it, perhaps as part of making a contract with a new employer." < 1325020258 459819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah page 2 shows it was indeed referencing something earlier < 1325020265 632539 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hey, what's your country code for telephonistic dialling from the outside world? < 1325020272 903690 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: He, er, considered selling his personal website to get a job? < 1325020278 327337 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I reading this right? < 1325020284 83979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: I don't know about that. Let me check that. < 1325020297 307857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's it from? < 1325020301 703620 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/sitehist.html < 1325020439 754183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's one of those English pages. In that case I guess your reading is as good as mine. < 1325020467 324333 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just assumed that only the Finns can properly interpret the wise Korpela or something like that. < 1325020474 965871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: +47 < 1325020488 566649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ooh, you're, like, right next to Sweden there. < 1325020498 526561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... guess you are geographically, too. < 1325020509 48669 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote oerjan: Hey, what's your country code for telephonistic dialling from the outside world? fizzie: +47 oerjan: Ooh, you're, like, right next to Sweden there. I... guess you are geographically, too. < 1325020512 681500 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :781) oerjan: Hey, what's your country code for telephonistic dialling from the outside world? fizzie: +47 oerjan: Ooh, you're, like, right next to Sweden there. I... guess you are geographically, too. < 1325020518 306411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Us +358:ans are sort-of distant, you see. < 1325020520 580838 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hey, you haven't kicked the ?-space habit yet. < 1325020523 26024 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanksies. < 1325020527 59184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently not. < 1325020539 782042 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Note that the previous quote is, in fact, correctly spaced. < 1325020543 396658 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :782) Note that the previous quote is, in fact, correctly spaced. < 1325020577 542597 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What's your code for telephonistic dialling from the outside world that isn't the country code? < 1325020583 275633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, this phone number already had the country code. The "(0047)" double-zero-not-a-plus notation just confused me. < 1325020584 710899 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not your full telephone number, so you have absolutely no reason not to tell us. < 1325020605 103224 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What do your (post-country-code) telephone numbers look like in Finland? < 1325020610 844816 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ours are quite interesting. < 1325020647 740507 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most things are an 01xx area code and then a bunch of numbers but there's also 020 (which I think is London) and 070 (mobiles) and also 0800 is free-dial stuff but there's also 08000 which... might actually just be 0800 numbers with an 0 after them, I'm not sure. < 1325020805 701325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: Our area codes in common use for regular people are: 02,03,05,06,08,09,013,014,015,016,017,018,019 (landlines; there used to be a lot more, they got combined in 1996); 040,041,042,044,0450,0451,0452,0453,0458,046,050 (mobiles; they used to be operator-specific, but nowadays you can move your number on and on, so it's no longer strictly true). < 1325020816 131295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The landline numbers are geographical regions. < 1325020836 23054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there is a confusing set of prefixes for companies. < 1325020843 335992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 010 and a 020 prefix, at least. < 1325020906 277135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :norway dropped local area numbers and also the initial zero many years ago; i guess the initial part of landline numbers may still count as an area code of sorts. < 1325020971 788271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :010 and 020 are for I think "same cost no matter where you're calling from" company phone numbers; they were marketed for being cheap for customers ("it's like making a local call no matter where you are") except that they're significantly more expensive than regular landline numbers when calling from a mobile phone, and most people only do the mobile thing nowadays, so... < 1325020976 599394 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, we have area codes as long as 016977. < 1325020991 95379 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: We have those, too. < 1325021017 456259 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting mostly with 08 I think. < 1325021043 320732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: We have some five-digit area codes for special cases. E.g. 04542, 04543 and 04544 are owned by Nokia. (The corporation, not the town.) < 1325021057 330498 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Number_Change ;; the big places got their prefixes all en-flattened. < 1325021074 128352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :most numbers are 8 digits, although there are shorter ones. < 1325021074 554361 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What do they do with all /those/? Test phones? < 1325021093 395439 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballymoney ;; the best town name. < 1325021099 967427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No clue, they're just on this list of operator prefixes. < 1325021105 977750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they just have so many phones. < 1325021112 438517 :Shaftonize!foobar@codu.org NICK :Gregor < 1325021134 787466 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The corporate phone I got from Nokia for my one summer there had a regular 050 mobile number, though. < 1325021145 201334 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how much they pay the voice actors for The Sims {1,2,3}. < 1325021175 589794 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: They don't; they're just shaftonised after the recording. < 1325021190 15927 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm. < 1325021192 349241 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense. < 1325021200 661129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The old (landline) area codes started with 9; there was 90 for Helsinki, and every other place had three-digit numbers. < 1325021209 693258 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The workers refer to this as "getting shafted". < 1325021228 728900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there were something like 50 of them, as opposed to the current 13. < 1325021262 273208 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1325021280 86516 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What's your emergency phone number called? < 1325021282 39679 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Say hi. < 1325021303 444175 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1325021303 853532 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 34 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1325021309 496436 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to thank the academy. < 1325021310 155033 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impressive. < 1325021333 515749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: 112, but 911 also works. (Also it used to be 000 up until 1992, and it might still work for all I know.) < 1325021343 822020 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you have the 24 lost to lambdabot's thread timeout logged. < 1325021352 681655 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, aren't you lucky? < 1325021383 491113 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's 999 here. We're not smart enough to remember more than one digit. < 1325021391 666112 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you guys have a talking clock?! < 1325021414 515984 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: It's called "Neiti Aika", i.e. "Miss Time". < 1325021423 768883 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where "Miss" is the prefix for an unmarried lady. < 1325021425 626790 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't want to miss it, you want to know what it is. < 1325021431 75040 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I'm not an idiot. < 1325021453 766623 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In Finland the speaking clock service is known as Neiti Aika in Finnish or Fröken Tid in Swedish, both of which literally translate as 'Miss Time'." < 1325021455 394089 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FROKEN TID. < 1325021489 172202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :352310 calls in 1938; 1300 calls in 2006. < 1325021495 941154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps in the meantime people have bought: CLOCKS. < 1325021500 443750 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1325021545 303473 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325021673 601434 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way I recorded it was in jerks as it were. I said: "At the Third Stroke" (that does for all the times), and then I counted from One, Two, Three, Four, for the hours, we even went as far as twenty-four, in case the twenty-four hour clock should need to be used, and then I said "...and ten seconds, and twenty seconds, and thirty, forty, fifty seconds", and "o'clock" and "precisely". The famous "precisely". So what you hear is "At the T < 1325021673 772914 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hird Stroke it will be one, twenty-one and forty seconds".[11] < 1325021694 209143 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Did you know: the 24 hour clock has 25 hours? < 1325021702 25937 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since they recorded for the 24th hour and all. < 1325021744 625463 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some locales they prefer "24:xx" to "00:xx", and given that they didn't record "Zero", that's probably what they would've gone with. < 1325021836 756690 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Seriously? Which locales? < 1325021843 679325 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1325021867 495627 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also seen instances of using "24:00" but "00:01". < 1325021929 220755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't someone say japanese tv schedules used 25: and 26: < 1325022021 43355 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall seeing someone say that here, but that's correct. < 1325022102 688746 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure where it comes from. < 1325022126 422631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I've seen someone use both 24:00 and 00:00 in the same sentence before < 1325022141 439346 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1325022145 636495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the times were matched to days < 1325022156 804865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also it seems that your zip/postal codes are just four digits. Is that true and/or a problem with web forms? < 1325022166 604613 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Right, that too. < 1325022192 917877 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it makes sense, though? Use "day" to map to a waking period. < 1325022193 867748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: UK postcodes are one or two letters, one or two digits, (by convention a space), one digit, two letters < 1325022208 872923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, right, yours were weird, too. < 1325022220 835729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really; they're much more specific than most country's postcodes < 1325022223 554867 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(obviously, 25:00 is going to be for late-night programming, such as essentially all anime) < 1325022230 48080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :postcode + house number is enough for an address in the UK < 1325022230 281777 :calamari!~calamari@184-192-99-140.pools.spcsdns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325022239 300739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one postcode maps to a range of 10 houses or so < 1325022252 562197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: We stayed in a hotel with postcode W1T 5AY, that was... witty... < 1325022254 259942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the first bit of the postcode is put on road name signs < 1325022261 173170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, just four digits < 1325022275 245319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, that's not a well-formed postcode < 1325022288 578003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have miscopied it, let me check. < 1325022291 1804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the T is invalid there, it should be missing or a digit < 1325022319 158060 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.radissonedwardian.com/london-hotel-gb-w1t-5ay/gbgrafto "130 Tottenham Court Road, London W1T 5AY". < 1325022321 536621 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Hmm. That's about as specific as the ZIP+4 in the US. < 1325022322 535473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's what they say. < 1325022324 484997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1325022333 910976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be that W1 ran out of room < 1325022339 877818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pretty famous postcode area < 1325022341 969362 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Wit say! < 1325022353 576041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it wouldn't surprise me if it had to be extended with letters in order to fit in more houses than usual < 1325022364 451872 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : postcode + house number is enough for an address in the UK ;; btw, why DO we have to write longer addresses than that? < 1325022387 151819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: in case there are typos < 1325022387 361669 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ZIP+4 refers to a 9-digit post code, that the post office would really prefer you use; most people, though, only use a 5 digit code.) < 1325022389 642776 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was always told that IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR THE DELIVERERS but that sounds like bullshit. < 1325022398 76942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't; if you write house number + postcode, it will get delivered < 1325022405 595512 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What's the gender-neutral form of postman, anyway? "Postperson" is weird.) < 1325022408 810908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if they misread it at all, it'll go to completely the wrong place < 1325022417 478432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: informally "postie"; I'm not sure if there's a formal term < 1325022419 435140 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That just sounds like MORE FUN OPPORTUNITIES to me. < 1325022423 517574 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :postdude < 1325022437 422777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I ever have seen a female postman, anyway < 1325022443 649282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I suspect it's still a male-dominated job < 1325022449 71854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a little is enough for "an address" in Finland, but the post office doesn't exactly appreciate. The "student guild" room of the CS students has an impressive array of postcards sent with really obscure addresses. (Though maybe they're just gotten wise and carry all the weirdly-addressed mail there?) < 1325022450 731905 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A female postman sounds unlikely :P < 1325022451 234641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, you tend not to have very many distinct postmen < 1325022459 124459 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Yes! Postdude. < 1325022462 138595 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Postbro. < 1325022476 635694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :postentity < 1325022478 336257 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're a dick, you could probably get away with name & ZIP here. < 1325022480 539281 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Postx. < 1325022495 68298 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, "postal carrier" works. < 1325022497 372888 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a bit verbose. < 1325022510 480795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that sounds so excessively formal < 1325022515 146082 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :postarrier < 1325022537 29347 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, there's also "mail carrier". :p < 1325022545 959228 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Postperson" is seeming rather less awkward by the second. < 1325022583 349710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :posthuman < 1325022597 872761 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :postwhatever < 1325022602 27963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"postard". < 1325022754 393950 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325022777 698896 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Postaggle. < 1325022927 477542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in soviet russia, compost. < 1325022983 127657 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Post...moc? < 1325023135 176035 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Postperson" is seeming rather less awkward by the second. < 1325023137 207305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :postmooks < 1325023141 854546 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that what Mathnerd thought he was? < 1325023306 164528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: aka posthumus. wait, that's prehumus. whoops. < 1325023345 817837 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:47 < colloinkgravisom> kallisti: Er, you do realise that north=up is as arbitrary as north=down? < 1325023370 30236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION listens carefully < 1325023387 516571 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: yes, but north and south as up or down are not arbitrarily chosen, and so it's still useful to have a reference direction for one of them. < 1325023408 992643 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :english < 1325023448 122572 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how that invalidates what you quoted (not that I agree with what it's trying to express, necessarily); it's perfectly plausible to say that north was chosen as up because the pioneering mapmakers were from those areas, or something. (I don't know what the actual facts are in this situation, though.) < 1325023463 941210 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just saying that "ha ha, they're saying that up is arbitrary!" doesn't really mean anything. < 1325023484 735409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally some medieval maps had east up iirc < 1325023506 627075 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=north < 1325023521 559364 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The eymology link explains that < 1325023527 100324 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*etymology < 1325023548 760358 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plausibly, at least < 1325023590 449480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: er, not really? < 1325023611 953180 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"possibly ult. from PIE *ner- "left," also "below," as north is to the left when one faces the rising sun" < 1325023619 210782 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if north is left, east is up < 1325023661 271232 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: I just got the impression that he was claiming north/south were /entirely/ culturally fabricated and not based on useful non-cultural information like, say, the earth's axis of rotation. < 1325023696 67236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say that's a dubious connection, that's a gap of thousands of years between the etymology and the maps < 1325023709 876893 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true. < 1325023712 949390 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, okay, but "He attributed the north-up-superior/south-down-inferior presentation of most other world maps to cultural bias." very clearly says "up"/"down". < 1325023740 854178 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least some old maps had east at the top. < 1325023751 544643 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Old' meaning 'medieval' here. < 1325023763 158449 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it makes you feel any better, the etymology of west suggests "down" < 1325023781 628897 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: incidentally some medieval maps had east up iirc < 1325023799 184501 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where'd this start from? < 1325023832 464778 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the Dymaxion map actually makes little circles around the geographic poles so.. that's good. I suppose I inferred too much. < 1325023898 999335 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: < 1325023899 486304 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:58:55: "He attributed the north-up-superior/south-down-inferior presentation of most other world maps to cultural bias." < 1325023899 642283 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:58:58: loool < 1325023900 371738 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:59:03: north, just a cultural artifact, man. < 1325023904 439014 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talking about map projections. < 1325023908 639572 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably that's about Gall-Peters or whatever. < 1325023934 918861 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no. < 1325023937 912586 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dymaxion. < 1325023942 881438 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(North/south = up/down is kind of natural anyway, because we distinguish the vertical from other directions and align the axis of the map that way, and there's far more 'interesting' land in the northern hemisphere, so putting it at the top kind of makes sense too.) < 1325023953 973535 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PART #esoteric :"Bye" < 1325023971 179814 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: yeah Gall-Peters still uses north as up. < 1325023983 313989 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: How is that not literally admitting it's a cultural bias? :p < 1325024002 191670 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interesting land should fall to the bottom < 1325024004 434695 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, OK, the Northern hemisphere is more detailed, but that's a kind of ridiculous justification. < 1325024008 187338 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the boring land should float to the top < 1325024014 361531 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's how it works right < 1325024016 841506 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1325024018 765072 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's called gravity < 1325024025 609832 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why vorpal is in the stratosphere and i'm underground < 1325024039 52281 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: the important shit should be on top dude. Like the USA, and Great Britain! < 1325024052 70828 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMURKA < 1325024061 931404 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Dymaxion projection would be better if it just unfolded the sphere directly. < 1325024063 859356 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Cue Phantom_Hoover.) < 1325024068 749091 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, and everywhere except for some of South America and some of Africa. < 1325024083 119068 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah too many non-white people. < 1325024096 495981 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a reason most people think the equator is a long way to the north of where it actually is. < 1325024119 204484 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You forgot Australia. < 1325024122 68372 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Antarctica. < 1325024122 304971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...they do? < 1325024133 133603 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think people assume the Equator is the line dividing the Americas. < 1325024134 901250 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AT LEAST I DID < 1325024135 57506 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vote that we use a series of tractor beams to arrange the new rotation of the Earth perpendicular to the current culturally biased model~ < 1325024138 246022 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they wouldn't expect so much interesting shit in the same place. < 1325024143 5135 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the most natural place!!! < 1325024156 697158 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd expect it eventually distributed. < 1325024165 185309 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the earth should be evenly interesting. < 1325024173 607051 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evenly rather < 1325024183 253413 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: I think people assume the Equator is the line dividing the Americas. < 1325024218 748425 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or they just go for the line which roughly bisects the landmass less Antarctica. < 1325024248 192422 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, "everywhere except for some of South America and Africa" is obviously unfair. < 1325024254 224709 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The northern hemisphere is definitely prettier, though. :p < 1325024255 175216 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1325024302 541482 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITT: the secret culture bias towards north REVEALED. < 1325024305 227948 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fuller argued that in the universe there is no "up" and "down", or "north" and "south":" < 1325024315 60028 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here I thought it was a ridiculous notion. < 1325024318 860733 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was Fuller known for being generally crazy? < 1325024328 528202 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The term is "eccentric". < 1325024331 533606 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes. < 1325024334 529644 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've kind of got him and Dyson confused. < 1325024339 832128 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is. Up and down correspond to gravity. North and south celestial poles correspond to the Earth. < 1325024348 462316 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfair to whom? I don't think I know of many cultures complaining that they're second-class because of their north-south distinction. I think what pisses them off is all the oppression and genocide.~ < 1325024366 717042 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know another idea of computer game? One of my other idea is, game based on story of events in D&D game I have been playing in. < 1325024380 4309 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm put out by the social implications of my area's arbitrary placement in the world model." #firstworldproblems < 1325024393 656769 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the oppression is just a natural result of their southerliness < 1325024398 346792 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly < 1325024401 450977 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: He was super weird. < 1325024413 10825 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't bring myself to dislike him though? < 1325024424 770272 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he made a cool map. < 1325024427 648562 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's to dislike? < 1325024430 660363 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He documented his life rather extensively. < 1325024436 277319 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Anyway I don't think that quote is necessarily nonsense with a charitable interpretation. < 1325024439 307075 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :notice that he put AMERICA AT THE CENTER OF THE MAP < 1325024439 599216 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing in his diary every 15 minutes from 1920 to 1983. < 1325024440 309142 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BIAS < 1325024457 181029 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: He's just saying there's no correct orientation of space. < 1325024457 978192 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'North' is unquestionably a well-defined, useful concept. < 1325024474 605336 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, on the Earth. < 1325024475 343720 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, but there's definitely a privileged orientation of the surface of the globe. < 1325024480 200725 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is going to make a map that can be construed to have absolutely no cultural bias < 1325024483 37608 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the Universe" obviously means "in the entire Universe" here. < 1325024484 497603 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, his life is the best documented we'll have until we start having constantly recording video cameras on everyone. < 1325024489 456684 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the landmasses of the world are scattered out on the perimeter < 1325024495 109946 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Centered around Antarctica? < 1325024495 385492 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the center is antarctica. < 1325024497 327636 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1325024517 188290 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'The universe has no privileged directions, therefore any subset of the universe has no privileged directions!' < 1325024517 344671 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Dymaxion_map_ocean2.png So, the oceanic Dymaxion? < 1325024524 342478 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait water doesn't actually spiral the wrong way out the sink in the southern hemisphere??? < 1325024527 286139 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I FEEL BETRAYED BY SCIENCE??? < 1325024548 930419 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does in a very carefully-controlled sink. < 1325024550 926759 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, maybe I should feel betrayed by John Linnell instead. < 1325024556 983573 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll just blame everyone. < 1325024566 769626 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: maybe... < 1325024567 888268 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, centered around Antarctica might be OK, try that < 1325024600 137554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: also bumblebees can fly < 1325024605 527986 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: do their toilets flush in the opposite direction? < 1325024610 214754 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the important thing < 1325024613 5876 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1325024616 896475 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOO < 1325024617 233218 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Wait is that a thing I'm not supposed to believe? < 1325024637 633774 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, over here our toilets don't have a direction when they flush. < 1325024644 913824 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumble_bee#Flight < 1325024652 50112 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Things in the other hemisphere still look upside down though right? < 1325024654 55746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: it has been proved by science that bumblebees cannot possibly fly, duh. < 1325024658 736155 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1325024668 570489 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION begins penning his autobiography, "Everything I Know About Spheres I Learned From Ana Ng" < 1325024681 929269 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Oh right that. < 1325024685 308882 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: :D < 1325024687 221310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's ana ng < 1325024697 993919 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's a song by They Might Be Giants. < 1325024713 541944 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEjutUbgpH8 < 1325024741 624782 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :International link plz. < 1325024750 276104 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dQLkxz6c2E < 1325024755 669046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : colloinkgravisom: do their toilets flush in the opposite direction? <-- yes, which is good since their toilets are upside down < 1325024758 779733 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Supremely low quality.) < 1325024795 391773 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want the world, I just want your half < 1325025175 640663 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how many species of bumblebee there are? < 1325025187 453464 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.3 < 1325025221 543445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some hundred maybe < 1325025236 202789 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nhm.ac.uk/research-curation/research/projects/bombus/subgenericlist.html < 1325025237 466741 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On the occasion of a leap second, such as at 23:59:60 on December 31, 2005, there is a one second pause before the beeps, thus keeping the speaking clock in sync with Coordinated Universal Time." < 1325025238 903074 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a lot < 1325025242 983299 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The most disorienting thing? < 1325025331 339124 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The checklist is apparently drawn from an unpublished catalogue of 2800 names < 1325025433 727954 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: Better than UNIX time. < 1325025506 382396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1325025508 874896 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, I wonder how SBCL gets such fast speeds from Lisp code. < 1325025541 583202 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, I wonder how gcc gets such fast speeds from C code. < 1325025554 5591 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: well, that's a bit more obvious than Lisp. < 1325025561 941012 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1325025575 110197 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC does some really insane shit to C. < 1325025579 84030 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp is dynamically typed, for one. < 1325025584 733838 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm wondering what it does < 1325025641 325721 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably lies a lot. Spacetime Bending Common Lisp < 1325025654 282212 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Untrue. < 1325025659 353912 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common Lisp has a type system. < 1325025666 90789 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as optional static declaration of types. < 1325025667 134553 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay. < 1325025672 668108 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp compilers rely on these in part to produce efficient code. < 1325025683 398571 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes more sense. < 1325025704 803812 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering why SBCL was faster than Haskell in the benchmark game; all the code probably uses static annotations. < 1325025707 162948 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that they can't be inferred sometimes.) < 1325025708 481148 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GHC < 1325025725 802075 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: that another possibility I considered. < 1325025728 93710 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an example in Practical Common Lisp of the difference in the assembly of a function with and without type declarations. < 1325025739 955753 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(declaim (optimize (speed 3) (safety 0) (debug 0))) < 1325025749 148946 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--pidigits.lisp < 1325025759 138779 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type declarations are additional to that bit, though. < 1325025759 295093 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes!! < 1325025779 457502 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the ) IIRC < 1325025815 781882 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yeah, < 1325025816 86649 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (loop with iterations of-type fixnum = (ash 1 (+ max-depth min-depth (- d))) < 1325025816 243469 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : for i of-type fixnum from 1 upto iterations < 1325025816 243697 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : sum (+ (the fixnum (check-node (build-btree i d))) < 1325025816 243807 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (the fixnum (check-node (build-btree (- i) d)))) < 1325025816 710415 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : into result of-type fixnum < 1325025818 318233 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : finally < 1325025820 593728 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (format t "~D trees of depth ~D check: ~D~%" < 1325025822 597259 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (the fixnum (+ iterations iterations )) d result)))) < 1325025824 600865 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus in the declarations of functions and structs, obviously. < 1325025832 958462 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(LOOP is so grand.) < 1325025862 952771 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: The Lisp programs are more readable than the Haskell ones. :p < 1325025870 80344 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :; 35: 4C8D1C25E0010020 LEA R11, [#x200001E0] ; GENERIC-+ < 1325025870 235975 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :; 3D: 41FFD3 CALL R11 < 1325025880 751093 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Efficient. < 1325025886 953518 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32q/program.php?test=pidigits&lang=ghc&id=4 ;; wow, not a single pointer manipulation! < 1325025914 979234 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I suspect that x86 insanity makes that faster than an explicit call. < 1325025919 363964 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm currently trying to comprehend the information that you've actually read, comprehended, and been interested in the various assembly outputs of a program under different amounts of optimisation. < 1325025932 377750 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I doubt it. < 1325025935 669896 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1325025960 386288 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: the Haskell you linked isn't too unreadable. < 1325025975 460320 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, I'm sorry, you said a lot of words just there but they didn't go into my brain. < 1325025980 986543 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: That's why Is aid "wow". < 1325026021 173775 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: NihilistDandy noted that quotRem appears to faster than divMod on x86 < 1325026024 945059 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps they should have tried that. < 1325026029 878856 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+be < 1325026030 634209 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no shit? < 1325026039 812192 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it's faster, quotRem is a single machine instruction. Or, maybe two. < 1325026040 49433 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would that be? < 1325026044 884353 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they don't do the same thing. < 1325026046 570284 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325026055 259872 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So replacing one with the other will hardly help if you care about the behaviour on negative numebrs. < 1325026056 266366 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers < 1325026056 860437 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: Don't they? < 1325026058 992887 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do for nonnegative integers. < 1325026061 495781 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: ah yes, if negatives are important then yes. < 1325026068 165977 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sure < 1325026079 727788 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they, for this application? < 1325026112 527142 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: If they did the same thing, they wouldn't have two names :) < 1325026116 805664 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Dunno, I'd have to actually read the program. < 1325026122 837948 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : NihilistDandy: If they did the same thing, they wouldn't have two names :) < 1325026124 885138 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't mention map/fmap. < 1325026131 605755 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1325026153 96881 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excuse me, fmap does different things to map. < 1325026172 678874 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Um? < 1325026177 246932 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map f [a,b,c] < 1325026178 445715 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `b' in the constraints: < 1325026178 601343 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `GHC.Show.Show b' < 1325026178 601455 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : a... < 1325026180 477306 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1325026181 998469 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map f [a,b,c] :: [Expr] < 1325026183 219855 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [f a,f b,f c] < 1325026183 943546 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fmap f [a,b,c] :: [Expr] < 1325026184 993291 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [f a,f b,f c] < 1325026188 432114 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :different < 1325026194 745297 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is polymorphicer. < 1325026204 281965 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but try mapping over Maybe. < 1325026209 432488 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on a < 1325026209 588900 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1325026212 408066 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: kallisti: You're both morons. < 1325026213 364558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever. < 1325026216 583292 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(=) :: a -> a -> Prop < 1325026220 855855 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, no, I am being pedantic. < 1325026225 519164 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In (map = fmap), fmap is necessarily restricted to f ~ []. < 1325026229 791362 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called unification. < 1325026240 91387 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fmap does things map does not; hence, it does different things to map. < 1325026241 218120 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: but fmap has more POTENTIAL < 1325026242 889375 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maaan < 1325026255 154053 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're talking about the things they do, not propositional equality. < 1325026270 777848 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Shut up English "plays Cave Story on easy" pansy. < 1325026275 233612 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE CAT IS OUT OF THE BAG NOW, CHANNEL!!! < 1325026292 593259 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pansy!! < 1325026298 770483 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, excuse me I showed with LOGIC that easy mode = Scottish mode on account of making everyone else English. < 1325026317 96706 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1325026336 294778 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard mode makes you English, of course. < 1325026350 762776 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Look at his rationalisation. < 1325026367 853323 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: He even fixed the sprite back to being red (Cave Story+'s easy mode Quote is yellow apparently???) to hide his shame. < 1325026395 108657 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard Normal Daddy. < 1325026400 539155 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Red is SCOTTISH < 1325026441 165731 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Yes, and? < 1325026466 889153 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Sometimes I just like to reference things to see if anyone knows wtf I'm talking about. < 1325026473 575168 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is listening to it. < 1325026474 374125 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do. < 1325026489 890701 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :COOL < 1325026501 905995 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Squarepusher < 1325026505 209093 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally I would then proceed to have some kind of conversation but I kind of need to eat food before I die. < 1325026508 546934 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's the one. < 1325026512 195058 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, a good plan < 1325026519 57169 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-, < 1325026525 936745 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Squarepusher??? Is that an esolang like the BYTEPUSHER the kids are drinking these days???????? < 1325026552 42287 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no squarepusher is a bit more retro these days. < 1325026568 650878 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Retrolangs.org < 1325026569 441430 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I put enough question marks in to avoid being taken seriously ffs. < 1325026586 381693 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: never < 1325026609 229951 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxBvMMPd4lg SO RETRO < 1325026776 543790 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes clearly you are shock. < 1325026781 733539 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why it is silent now. < 1325026793 73299 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :enthralled by the groove. < 1325026842 375998 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I am aware of the existence of Squarepusher, dude. < 1325026879 519796 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: I wasn't suggesting you weren't? it was obvious that you knew. YOUR HIPSTER CRED HAS NOT BEEN DISCREDITED. < 1325026945 638108 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let us all be friendship hipsters together. <3 < 1325026967 289894 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We were friends before it was cool < 1325026989 962897 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We use a really obscure social networking utility. You've probably never heard of it < 1325027012 157289 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Augh I just used that snowclone in /msg in the hopes that it had been beaten to death enough for my use of it to be obviously joking. < 1325027013 802943 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate you NihilistDandy. < 1325027045 257904 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HIPSTERMEMEISONLYMEME < 1325027054 599980 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't call me Ariel, my name is Helvetica, no? < 1325027066 83301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1325027076 188848 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes by the name Lucida. Lucida Console. < 1325027160 167934 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lucida Console would be a really good cyberpunk protagonist name. < 1325027243 784158 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: we you like to co-author a cyberpunk novella in which every character is the name of a typeface? < 1325027248 332583 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/we/would/ < 1325027254 7091 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION missed the Humble Bundle by minutes < 1325027262 325268 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Akzidenz Grotesk will be based on me < 1325027264 424103 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there's like a time limit on that shit? < 1325027297 228602 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, eh. < 1325027334 57961 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can the radio explode whenever it is turned on, except when the television is also turned on? < 1325027345 127393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only two worth a look were Cave Story+ and GSB; the former isn't really worth it given that the original's free, and the latter isn't as good as it sounds. < 1325027374 373361 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :says the guy who plays it on easy.. < 1325027378 120605 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ha ha ha) < 1325027405 748687 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But Super Meat Boy? < 1325027407 198146 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMB wasn't worth a look? < 1325027418 589395 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: O, in the Vancouver Theatre Sports that is what they did, the character are named after typefaces, except for the main character, and the people who have not been given names for the story at all. < 1325027419 166486 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1325027428 294844 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bloody outdated shaders. < 1325027439 729484 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-023-130.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325027604 143428 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMB had a practically unsecured database for a backend < 1325027617 777866 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: SO YOU'VE SAID < 1325027627 722601 :calamari!~calamari@184-192-99-140.pools.spcsdns.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1325027664 857494 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1325027748 923253 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy knows. He shaftinized it. < 1325027780 462525 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting my degree in shaftinization. < 1325027797 852844 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods sagely. < 1325027816 669032 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy's degree is actually in art history. < 1325027827 708507 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He hangs around here and #haskell to hide the shame. < 1325027828 754557 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH THE SHAME~ < 1325027839 687565 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes you change your name? elliott still did not put it back how it was before? < 1325027864 262791 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually andreou. < 1325027904 107348 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My degree is in Mathematics with Spanish. < 1325027910 241704 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: If so, why did you use a new account? < 1325027930 524225 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I was tired of all of the responsibilities. < 1325027934 916704 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know Aladdin? < 1325027937 122643 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, that. < 1325027951 152697 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1325028024 102227 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Mathematics with Spanish was an actual choice offered by Warwick. < 1325028026 339759 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*) < 1325028029 773991 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was astonishing. < 1325028032 394746 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1325028043 629443 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some class of chess variants are named after typefaces, such as Schoolbook Chess and Univers Chess. I can suggest to make Computer Modern chess it has many parameter you have to decide before you play the game, each game they have a few different strategy and so on, too. < 1325028043 786243 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ian Stewart is a professor at Warwick. < 1325028049 997222 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD WHAT HAVE I DONE < 1325028116 236916 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brother is attempting to double major in math and playwriting. < 1325028147 190517 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where I'm just going the more respectable route of plain old math. Possible double major in CS. < 1325028173 850612 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you major in writing plays about mathematics? < 1325028183 449272 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-002-180.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325028243 597260 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One can only hope. < 1325028335 796715 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bet if #esoteric banded together, we could make the time-travel game, and it would kick arse! < 1325028340 409124 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chances of this happening: Zero! < 1325028486 539026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bet if #esoteric banded together, we could make an amazing amount of bickering. < 1325028495 793835 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are actually andreou then prove it! < 1325028521 658357 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That too. < 1325028531 806707 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bet if #esoteric banded together, ... that is difficult. < 1325028538 159549 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I would, but there are too many integrals involved. < 1325028617 626120 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what? we would never bicker < 1325028630 882109 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that you would even make that grand assumption angers me greatly. < 1325028641 520881 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the notion is absurd. < 1325028661 440044 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :diiiiiiiiiiii < 1325029208 235153 :calamari!~calamari@173-116-114-170.pools.spcsdns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325029249 750129 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325029260 567669 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-193-36.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325029951 810701 :calamari!~calamari@173-116-114-170.pools.spcsdns.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1325030104 191274 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see something like the computer benchmark game except with restrictions on submissions to make them as "typical" as possible. < 1325030124 576783 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be doomed to even more subjectivity than the current one suffers from < 1325030163 873671 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think it would more closely resemble the efficiency of well-written programs "in the wild" < 1325030182 194860 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that aren't micro-optimized to hell. < 1325030188 806686 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1325030196 879352 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean on the part of the maintainer. < 1325030197 236704 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :choosing the restrictions is difficult. < 1325030201 379901 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes. < 1325030206 673072 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f.e. he tends to reject programs that use too different algorithms, IIRC. < 1325030219 749672 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/too // < 1325030221 728595 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is very subjective; some solutions use parallelism and some don't and that's accepted. < 1325030224 743720 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: See ^ < 1325030238 793944 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm, fair enough. < 1325030257 370562 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has grown to instinctively dislike the guy behind the benchmarks game because he tends to be a jerk on the internet. :p < 1325030290 186577 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Admittedly, I probably wouldn't notice normal-sounding comments as much.) < 1325030332 77506 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: accepting parallelism makes sense because it allows you to compare the quad-core vs. single core case < 1325030345 803086 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see how well a language takes advantage parallelism < 1325030354 597819 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+of < 1325030358 450890 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*implementation < 1325030366 106943 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: They're still algorithmic differences. < 1325030394 631478 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see what you mean < 1325030397 719874 :kallisti!~eris@h162.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is arbitrary.