< 1325116936 359573 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I wanted to generalize it so that you can use arr between any two categories by having a two-parameters class, instead of only from (->) to something else < 1325117473 19090 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1325118205 461292 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the brainfuck + and - are Kleisli morphisms while < and > are coKleisli morphisms. (on the (Sum Integer -> Word8) type) < 1325118208 531767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You sure are bouncing a lot today. < 1325118220 82823 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WiFi is acting up. < 1325118233 531385 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/UBga < 1325118261 81354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Probably apocryphal, but many years back I read that Lotus had shipped 40,000 units of Lotus Notes for the Mac and 60,000 were returned. The interface was so bad that even the people who had pirated it sent it back." < 1325118329 785891 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the use of sending it back if you pirated it? Simply delete it in that case. But write a review of it being bad, either way. < 1325118350 733996 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can cause some of the pain the makers of Lotus Notes caused you back upon them. < 1325118398 26012 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree if you purchased it you should send it back and request a refund. But I doubt that can work if you pirated it. < 1325118419 744342 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1325118720 464755 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is these Kleisli and coKleisli morphisms correct? < 1325118728 718741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it /did/ work, no wonder all the pirates sent it back < 1325119054 108886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if what did work < 1325119067 62964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting money back for sending back something you'd pirated < 1325119067 387146 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lotus. < 1325119071 17106 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1325119946 979982 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db43820.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325119991 887802 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4d0b7ec1.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325121721 857733 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1325121761 487021 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1325121762 615350 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1325123152 83227 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325123841 470819 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325124081 654367 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@70.255.230.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1325124082 138701 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@70.255.230.16 QUIT :Changing host < 1325124082 295694 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1325126003 456470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : /topic < 1325126468 876859 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an elliott! < 1325126588 91616 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1325126806 666524 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a monqy! < 1325126934 413610 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1325127039 91972 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a hi! < 1325127128 49453 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1325128391 325761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1325129030 328214 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... < 1325130734 735729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1325131031 815026 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325131230 862892 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325131356 357226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What the fuck good is the STANDARD if you have to pay for it? < 1325131356 551351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it doesn't really do much good if WG14 is actually CHARGING us for use of C11." < 1325131384 801638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god they're actually surprised by this < 1325132090 45331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy have you ever been so tired you just fell asleep < 1325133028 553123 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hi I went to bed at 2 pm and now it's 11:30 pm what do? < 1325133117 559938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know im going to bed < 1325133124 990694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya nerds -----------------------------------,> < 1325133129 796442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1325133573 844255 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :future elliott: yes i have been so tired i involuntarily slipped unconscious (this has happened multiple times) < 1325134301 596022 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what would be the best way to explain to someone that bottom is not important for isomorphisms? < 1325134338 583391 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh < 1325134355 465868 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :define isomorphism in such a way that bottom is not important B) < 1325134355 622541 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, someone asked on #haskell if there was a 1-tuple in Haskell. I said no because a 1-tuple of a would be isomorphic to a. Someone else said that it's not isomorphic because there's no equivalent to (_|_) < 1325134452 461339 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Identity (laughs) < 1325134467 416256 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (undefined) < 1325134468 222124 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. a < 1325134471 975420 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bluh < 1325134474 554528 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1325134490 223105 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, me stupidly thinking that those parens would result in a 1-tuple < 1325134622 271660 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1325134635 656422 :Darth_Cliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325134676 647622 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I don't think any of the smart people are on #haskell right now to answer my question. < 1325134725 367955 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott completely ignored me when I mentioned that _|_ could be relevant to isomorphisms, so maybe that's an indication. < 1325134739 962950 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:58 < rwbarton> kallisti: both taking _|_ into account and ignoring _|_ can be useful to think about < 1325134742 862499 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yessss < 1325134885 551694 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1325134907 202979 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1325136458 715549 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325136669 472683 :Darth_Cliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1325136802 29955 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log ZipList.*Monad < 1325136828 824044 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-12-17.txt:04:57:22: well because i have several times claimed that ZipList _can_ be a Monad < 1325136834 254222 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log ZipList.*Monad < 1325136844 766207 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-11-30.txt:10:11:38: oh and on ZipLists "rectangular" elements obviously are what you intuitively call rectangles, it's just that it applies more generally to any attempt to extend Applicatives to Monads, i believe. < 1325136856 842536 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log ZipList.*Monad < 1325136864 903622 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-12-29.txt:05:34:04: 2011-11-30.txt:10:11:38: oh and on ZipLists "rectangular" elements obviously are what you intuitively call rectangles, it's just that it applies more generally to any attempt to extend Applicatives to Monads, i believe. < 1325136883 66498 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log (?i)monad.*ziplist < 1325136889 355954 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-06-24.txt:19:28:12: augur: i'm talking about a theoretical Monad instance for ZipList, lambdabot doesn't have it < 1325136907 251636 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log (?i)monad.*ziplist < 1325136913 363383 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-12-29.txt:05:34:49: 2009-06-24.txt:19:28:12: augur: i'm talking about a theoretical Monad instance for ZipList, lambdabot doesn't have it < 1325136928 69915 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log (?i)ziplist.*diagonal < 1325136933 941939 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-12-29.txt:05:35:28: `log (?i)ziplist.*diagonal < 1325136952 375619 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log (?i)instance ZipList < 1325136958 742241 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-12-29.txt:05:35:52: `log (?i)instance ZipList < 1325136961 747913 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs ZipList < 1325136968 415596 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.5756 < 1325137032 743641 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs ziplist < 1325137035 508833 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely there are more... < 1325137038 605467 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.30067 < 1325137093 394990 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs oerjan> > < 1325137099 356740 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.23026 < 1325137120 529078 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm pastelogs doesn't paste everything I see. < 1325137132 319758 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs oerjan> > < 1325137137 824825 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.31141 < 1325137153 439100 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs oerjan> >.*ZipList < 1325137163 418004 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.13236 < 1325137987 745012 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan You remember how you said your ZipList monad was obvious? Apparently in #haskell no one knows about it. < 1325137987 939266 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1325139275 927956 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1325139678 927353 :_sol_!Sol@c-174-57-58-11.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325139910 61855 :_sol_!Sol@c-174-57-58-11.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PART :#esoteric < 1325141091 204424 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made the file of the complete texts of Super ASCII MZX Town < 1325141104 488752 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/misc/ascmzxto_texts.txt < 1325141296 989561 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-128-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net NICK :augur < 1325141782 398512 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: You are now graced with my absence. < 1325142078 814332 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you somehow combine Kleisli categories and coKleisli categories together into one mathematical structure? I think one use of such thing can be a way to represent brainfuck codes too (Kleisli morphisms for value adjuments and coKleisli categories for pointer adjustments) < 1325142368 634767 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1325142374 463619 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1325144503 290291 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1325144527 737063 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325144666 709791 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325144707 450414 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325144722 654768 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1325144843 564355 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com < 1325145061 376602 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325145074 673005 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1325145321 674727 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1325145478 318487 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I motion that we make more interesting esolangs < 1325145506 157835 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1325145524 441603 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: OK. Then please do so. < 1325145529 763636 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do agree < 1325145529 919824 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1325145544 518781 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I motion that we make any kind of esolang because setting our standards too high will likely result in inaction. < 1325145553 588877 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firstly, I will prove Luigi turing-complete < 1325145580 291429 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: while you're at it prove dupdog is or isn't Turing complete. kth < 1325145580 975403 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1325145587 721950 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I agree with that too. < 1325145599 470451 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dupdog? < 1325145602 600949 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is list of ideas, you can try to read it if you want to. < 1325145603 619476 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1325145636 161316 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another idea is, make some esolangs using rarely-used categories from category theory or something like that < 1325145677 988371 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolangs are a monad. #esoteric is a monad. Monad is a monad. You are a monad. < 1325145685 351733 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo.............. < 1325145686 425403 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad obsession is a monad. < 1325145699 14868 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1325145703 685799 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqyad < 1325145704 743588 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo is bad: a monad???? < 1325145705 286741 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then use some comonad too < 1325145734 810192 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example the dupdog category, where objects are character interpreters and composition of interpreters forms a new interpreter. < 1325145746 107212 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example the dupdog language itself is mfit composed with shanty < 1325145765 491083 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is totally not making shit up right now) < 1325145826 250730 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or based on any other kinds of rarely-used mathematical structures; not necessarily category theory. < 1325145855 375397 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhumb_line base an esolang on these. < 1325145875 830168 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rhumb < 1325145878 224506 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should make an esolang where all I/O is done in a monad. < 1325145887 215253 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo............. < 1325145892 11340 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it with you and monads < 1325145893 312935 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not < 1325145894 293841 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that great < 1325145905 369611 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is being silly right now
< 1325145916 981221 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what is it with you and not-monads. < 1325145930 943321 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not that not-not-great < 1325145949 221506 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not-monads are often boring too < 1325145959 876565 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore universe is boring. < 1325145966 523391 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oftentimes < 1325145969 589552 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1325145997 2673 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: make the most boring esoalanggr iffof all < 1325146064 817673 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :howwwwwwwww < 1325146069 858799 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An esolang that just prints the source code < 1325146072 879449 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's always a quine < 1325146079 394939 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, all programs are quines < 1325146083 597230 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Already exists; and there is already an article for it, too. < 1325146085 49458 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Been done < 1325146091 841280 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages that do nothing interesting are boring, but langauges that do too much are also boring < 1325146097 501955 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think unix actually comes with such an interpreter < 1325146102 542786 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's called echo. < 1325146110 510419 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I did a lot of things, none of them interesting < 1325146122 478187 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want a language that can do a lot, but you don't know how < 1325146153 479763 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll embed every overused language and all of their derivatives into it < 1325146200 294656 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Embed BF and the derivative of BF where + is - and [ is ] and < is > and > is < etc < 1325146211 623265 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Objective-Jythby#++ < 1325146280 650437 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes there is such thing, ReverseFuck, and also ReverseReverseFuck. < 1325146310 417268 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, but what about combining it in the same language as Brainfuck? < 1325146350 420349 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sees nothing about ReverseReverseFUcke
< 1325146351 872261 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck < 1325146485 682864 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Visual Objective-Jythby#++ < 1325146515 645623 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/RRF < 1325146533 691491 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also "Palindrome-Reverse-ReverseFuck". < 1325146548 231253 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which ,]. is a valid program < 1325146718 310374 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1325146752 800212 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325146800 1322 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325146953 142239 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1325146966 106284 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it will help me get a better grasp of Haskell to implement a few esolangs < 1325146973 264226 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That aren't already implemented < 1325147014 400477 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invent esolang which is designed to be impossible to prove is Turing Complete even though it might still be Turing Complete. < 1325147038 342677 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And/or redo my horrific crappy implementation of that one language I crappily implemented in Python < 1325147183 884746 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325147249 450736 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325147257 929857 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invent esolang which runs only backward in time and not forward < 1325147330 212288 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that sounds feasible actually < 1325147364 406827 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though perhaps not in the way you imagine. < 1325147376 597650 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it couldn't be turing complete because it would always halt. < 1325147397 926062 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a ReverseState monad, although I guess that's different < 1325147399 55207 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ducks
< 1325147430 72348 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is different. < 1325147498 504144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1325147715 980735 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325147881 905063 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325148003 361488 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325148020 151244 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1325148049 11638 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325148232 699710 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1325148321 593713 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1325148338 961970 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1325148339 120329 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :*.net *.split < 1325148339 279419 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1325148339 438199 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1325148535 423398 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325148551 215741 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1325148551 375138 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1325148555 12056 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325148714 396045 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1325149112 170534 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1325149241 232148 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net NICK :Ngevd < 1325149255 46846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough* < 1325149255 203965 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1325149361 401398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : `log (?i)instance ZipList < 1325149390 575571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [i]nstance monad ziplist < 1325149426 116212 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1325149434 165454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1325149488 490507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log zjoin.*zipwith.*diag < 1325149502 545878 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-12-17.txt:05:00:42: @let zjoin = ZipList . diag . scanl1 (zipWith (flip const)) . map (getZipList) . getZipList where diag = concat . takeWhile (not . null) . map (take 1) . foldr (\x xs -> x:map (drop 1) xs) [] < 1325149523 61180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like the one < 1325150231 97737 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants to try NixOS
< 1325150290 569341 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although looking at the bootloader screenshot, there seems to be no way to name a configuration with a nice easy to understand name, that, say, specifies the difference between it and a previous configuration < 1325150291 858536 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I found it later < 1325150326 399574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1325150370 262764 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1325150392 109319 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325150484 711732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: incidentally your ignoring _|_ discussion is relevant - i don't think that definition quite works when bottoms are involved (you might sometimes get a third law mismatch where there is a [] where there should be a _|_ or vice versa < 1325150488 663433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1325150584 368642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc, which is possible i don't because i haven't thought this through completely (i thought it through enough to convince me that the Applicative laws hold precisely for ZipList even with _|_, when using the Prelude definition for zipWith.) < 1325150590 413896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*myself < 1325150678 13856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also that the f <*> x = zjoin (fmap f x) correspondence holds exactly. < 1325150794 483495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that zjoin could be phrased such that they do, i'm not quite sure < 1325151040 495052 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325151487 949120 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325151564 978172 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325151754 590028 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1325151916 67763 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325152659 526866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : @tell oerjan You remember how you said your ZipList monad was obvious? Apparently in #haskell no one knows about it. < 1325152683 218353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said "obvious"? < 1325152728 836494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, yay 15 minutes of #haskell fame! < 1325152929 565898 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1325152941 328520 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes your very prestigious now. < 1325152949 947504 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you actually join #haskell people might even ask /questions/ < 1325152955 198006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1325153011 677168 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the immediate reaction was "what no that doesn't work" < 1325153017 415744 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then slowly it was like "oh maybe..." < 1325153023 60035 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it was like "oh okay yeah this might work" < 1325153026 12297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read the logs :P < 1325153107 329602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i noticed rwbarton deciphered my essential cube idea < 1325153151 575979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well essential for understanding why it works. it is possible the actual implementation came first by less stringent means. < 1325153201 582751 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325153514 361772 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325153553 483156 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325153835 874400 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325153872 970482 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325153992 571696 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325154067 754001 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325154244 498066 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1325154408 608612 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ump < 1325154413 820926 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1325154415 577169 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No lambdabot? < 1325154417 81041 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1325154436 854659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even worse < 1325154445 17007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot AND NO MESSAGES < 1325154451 229110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cackles evilly
< 1325154907 782449 :Romance!~b@unaffiliated/yusuke JOIN :#esoteric < 1325154917 91563 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325154943 770498 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325155139 43983 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325155170 316357 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325155217 73148 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Phantom_Hoover fix noMessages < 1325155217 395647 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1325155230 254132 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@clear-messages < 1325155230 576248 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Messages cleared. < 1325155285 673349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that google instant is particularly annoying when you mistype
< 1325155306 789455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although this time google's autocorrection actually compensated for it. < 1325155375 152899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(other times it's the autocorrection which is annoying, of course) < 1325155654 753207 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325155682 867439 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325155863 442579 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325155894 952975 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325156168 522781 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325156300 736477 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325156387 71667 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing I've learned from freelancing < 1325156393 714894 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that I'm a terrible negotiator. < 1325156430 176405 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1325156450 586321 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolang idea! < 1325156492 630352 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One or more falling object interacting with the environment! < 1325156564 382103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs ideas are really going downhill < 1325156591 613782 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ba-dum tish? < 1325156594 314635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-s < 1325156601 516104 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: obviously you haven't heard of my reversible graph rewriting constraint thing. < 1325156604 81244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: always < 1325156609 220303 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh... I missed the joke. < 1325156627 450557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oblivious graph rewriting < 1325156905 674309 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325156984 629574 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325157086 459012 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1325157229 539219 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325157365 278636 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alice in Wonderland is Flatland but coming from the other direction < 1325157370 877606 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can this make a category and/or a monad? newtype JoustT v f x = JoustT { runJoustT :: JoustT x f v -> f x }; (I call it Joust because of something someone mentioned that it reminded them of) < 1325157482 925640 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know the lift and fmap < 1325157683 862019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i tried a bit but couldn't make it < 1325157696 901154 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.... Intel or AMD? < 1325157702 781966 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMD is cheaper so I think I'll be getting one of those. < 1325157710 362196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it _is_ a category, i think the argument order should be f v x < 1325157718 801602 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is shopping for a gaming desktop
< 1325157724 843433 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I also tried a bit but couldn't make it. And yes, I know if it is a category you have to change the argument order < 1325157795 240660 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alice in Wonderland is based on Victorian culture with allusions to Mathematics, Flatland is based on Mathematics with allusions to Victorian Culture < 1325157828 578405 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C99E.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325158141 46612 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is at least one Shakespeare play for every English monarch from possibly Edward III (definitely his successor Richard II) right to Richard III < 1325158276 381344 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325158357 708973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall someone saying something like in shakespeare's play all the monarchs are monsters, except for elizabeth's ancestors, who are saints. < 1325158363 660210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*plays < 1325158376 139286 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the play < 1325158401 625860 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them were saints in one play and villains in another < 1325158407 100603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1325158415 263993 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is AWObject an acceptable name for a datatype? < 1325158454 747085 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm wrong, there isn't a play for Edward V or IV < 1325158464 521788 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Edward V's entire reign happens in Richard III? < 1325158640 357532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1325158712 858676 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1325159042 982928 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1325159271 842791 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes, it start with uppercase so it is acceptable. < 1325159638 225919 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325159720 122128 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325159862 313625 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325159892 741461 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325160395 372769 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know whether glk_gestalt is a pure function? < 1325160451 784349 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hi what is your video card? < 1325160486 294209 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325160512 252530 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325160784 920961 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325160832 234890 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325161159 746079 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1325161187 826419 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325161206 713611 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1325161216 128070 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I could do this sorta recursively < 1325161271 387776 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really knowing how recursive types work < 1325161440 434 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a recursive type is just a type with a constructor that contains a field of that type. < 1325161454 856588 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that < 1325161470 364840 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the esotericy weird things that only I would ever think of that I'm struggling with < 1325161482 562762 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1325161503 766434 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give me a minute and no wait I'm wrong < 1325161505 380701 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn < 1325161520 688478 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... am I? < 1325161568 703225 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325161595 393716 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325161726 222958 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :Jim < 1325161730 905514 :Jim!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :Bo < 1325161765 502534 :Bo!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin < 1325162010 379576 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Haskell, is a foreign exported function which is called in the C main function allowed to have a flexible constraint which requires the existence of an instance that does not exist at the time the program is compiled into object files, even though it will exist when another module imports that one and makes an executable file? < 1325162303 535968 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325162334 569727 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325162625 315083 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, this definitely doesn't work < 1325162778 838013 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I need some way of referencing thigs < 1325162802 461205 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With an n before the g < 1325163107 832579 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: what are you trying to do. < 1325163122 374006 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a family tree program < 1325163139 963570 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. do you have a tree? < 1325163142 738728 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1325163143 60904 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a good start. < 1325163148 357128 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tree is a good data structure for a tree. < 1325163153 116661 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in this caser < 1325163158 895403 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :go on < 1325163160 911294 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Family trees are not trees < 1325163193 910422 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a start each element can have two parents and many children < 1325163204 121984 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so a graph < 1325163237 674921 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to do this my own crazy way and so learn about Haskell some more < 1325163258 582336 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if you can avoid using mutation for cycles < 1325163266 30343 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.../me derps < 1325163280 679735 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also note that it's still a tree, just not a tree where each node has one parent. < 1325163299 457870 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...British incest aside. < 1325163356 995711 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a Haskell program for category of walks < 1325163397 938835 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: it's still a mathematical tree (acyclic connected graph) < 1325163438 358628 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Challenge: Introduce time travel. < 1325163447 90594 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: also if the problem you're having is how to efficiently move around the tree in arbitrary directions, you should look into zippers. < 1325163513 261302 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-128.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325163528 587935 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What uses are there for a category of walks? < 1325163725 395979 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325163748 607873 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : okay so a graph < 1325163778 294532 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not just a simple graph, though; there are two kinds of edge, one of which is directed. < 1325163798 730409 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325163860 693744 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I think he just wants a tree structure where nodes have two parents, optional spouse, a list of children, and maybe a litle of siblings if that can't be exactly determined from other fields. < 1325163893 558130 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, hence two types of edge, one directed. < 1325163909 481679 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spouse is directionless, parent is directed. < 1325164017 361271 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. < 1325164218 654022 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325164522 53325 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325164558 414692 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the marriages should be ones having children instead of nodes? < 1325164585 233171 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. < 1325164613 51768 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spouse/parent allows you to express all plausible situations. < 1325164727 925555 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1325165160 599356 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325165369 571555 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325165385 669474 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-7.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325165411 278801 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-7.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1325165426 691148 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-7.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :While my internet was down, I came up with a better idea < 1325165652 670815 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1325165829 713982 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a implementation of category of walks that requires another type of kind (* -> * -> *) which can be another category although it does not have to be. < 1325165862 390858 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1325165952 682810 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-7.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325166017 254209 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1325166029 259704 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325166079 745577 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325166524 784527 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a new Category:Shameful language? < 1325166556 776312 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325166577 830541 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION apparently has a weird definition of new
< 1325166613 221509 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know xpath? < 1325166703 450200 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"### is an esoteric programming language by User:Dagoth Ur, Mad God based on ///. To run a ### program, type a #. < 1325166703 643382 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1325166709 696446 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, why do you want to learn about xpath? < 1325166709 897405 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"###b#ott#les#of#b#eer o#n t#he #w#all#, ###lovely ###[[Esme]]ralda ###o#n ###t#h#e #b#ee#r... < 1325166710 138284 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1325166716 778269 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's it. No further explanation < 1325166717 814330 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that I know much of it) < 1325166744 435876 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Joke language list" < 1325166761 64351 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it < 1325166765 839436 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 's mind surrenders.
< 1325166785 186926 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, that is just trolling < 1325166785 342914 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO < 1325166811 612927 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, the language I mean, not you < 1325166817 515855 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering how I can select an element by its absolute position. < 1325166825 636528 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe.... //[index]? this looks wrong to me. < 1325166845 337654 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, I wouldn't know. I try to keep away from xml as much as I can < 1325166929 925539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, SGML and derivatives are okay for a text markup language. But it is way to verbose to be a generic data storage format. < 1325166932 832785 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325166941 507426 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where could I go to ask an xpath question? < 1325166954 861062 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue < 1325166968 837941 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, but why are you messing with xpath? < 1325166971 309596 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: my personal preference for SGML and derivatives is absolutely irrelevant to the fact that I need to use it. < 1325166986 597982 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never understood the point of it. Isn't it like a query language for xml? < 1325166990 553872 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325166991 427713 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1325166999 208327 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and, because work. < 1325167064 649307 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1325167071 335157 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, I feel terribly sorry for you < 1325167123 29547 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh. < 1325167129 839181 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are far worse jobs. < 1325167158 149553 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sure < 1325167284 202499 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might want < 1325167289 752557 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : //*[index] < 1325167446 415539 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmmm... < 1325167450 684438 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that won't work. < 1325167545 405950 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325167590 217200 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1325167599 186720 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(//*)[index] works < 1325167600 301132 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1325167604 91683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :...? < 1325167609 149905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what just happened < 1325167623 993536 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm looks like freenode had a problem < 1325167644 751892 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :-MemoServ- Memo 1 - Sent by zzo38, Dec 27 15:20:02 2011 < 1325167645 74771 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :-MemoServ- ------------------------------------------ < 1325167645 231179 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :-MemoServ- :Join this channel and say something really either obvious or controversial straight away < 1325167646 997715 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1325168157 407435 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: actually I find xpath quite useful because it's much much easier to write a simple xpath query than it is to do the equivalent hand-rolled traversal/search . < 1325168289 639670 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1325168290 444832 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1325168320 225750 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325168341 905896 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325168353 429924 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh but this is a breadth-first order I don't know if I want that. < 1325168414 823501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, depends on what you are doing. Breadth-first makes sense for some things < 1325168498 279967 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325168505 551234 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is "document order" < 1325168536 143966 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325168824 562213 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, as listed in the xml file? < 1325168824 755229 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :same order I mean < 1325168824 755415 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that seems fairly reasonable) < 1325168876 35259 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, was that correct? < 1325168879 538868 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite < 1325168883 190185 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its' some fucked up vague ordering < 1325168891 507408 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be either breadth-first or depth-first as far as I can tell < 1325169087 908258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1325169234 657652 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, SQL makes much more sense, and even it doesn't make sense in many places < 1325169507 852051 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325169671 319999 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow you know what's awesome? < 1325169673 438800 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :currying. < 1325169686 189899 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what Python doesn't support without cumbersome shenanigans? < 1325169689 997869 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, well yes < 1325169691 109764 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :currying. < 1325169708 900864 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, you can actually do currying in python at all? I'm surprised < 1325169727 291498 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you can do currying < 1325169734 473044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1325169742 483712 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda x: lambda y: f(x,y) < 1325169750 406699 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1325169778 291311 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are other ways < 1325169786 681196 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write function wrappers that do it somewhat automatically < 1325169788 671380 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's tricky. < 1325169801 703515 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a partial function in functools that creates such curried functions for you. < 1325169813 521406 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nothing that's simple or easy or nice. < 1325169848 304743 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course Python has some conveniences that Haskell cannot expression quite as conveniently: varargs and keyword args for example < 1325169858 69825 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviosuly < 1325169865 476102 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and python is afaik dynamically typed < 1325169881 994953 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has both advantages and disadvantages < 1325169893 172702 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1325169902 982789 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW SO MANY PROS AND CONS < 1325169918 803620 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be tough to be a close-minded douchebag < 1325169928 336262 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it would be possible to make an imperative language with the kind of type system that haskell has < 1325169932 563703 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, people are good at that despite the difficulties. < 1325169955 225665 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well certtainly generics and templates come pretty close < 1325169968 364604 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also type inference is possible. < 1325169971 600364 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1325169976 984175 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you referring to typeclasses? < 1325169983 436778 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure to what extent that is possible. < 1325170006 341389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :typeclasses, advanced type inference, that sort of stuff yes < 1325170010 533979 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what I'm awful at? < 1325170013 198689 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Line breaks < 1325170015 338175 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean you can do the simple var x = new Foo(); thing that C# has < 1325170030 200372 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which comes nowhere near what haskell has < 1325170033 455733 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: what? < 1325170054 543 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I use Haskell I put way too few line breaks in < 1325170059 462355 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes my code hard to read < 1325170063 541877 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I get confused < 1325170067 825705 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1325170071 336777 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1325170079 315847 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is ^M in an emacs buffer? < 1325170099 375917 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's related to linebreaks... is it < 1325170100 943827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, CR iirc, as in CRLF < 1325170102 116412 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\r maybe? < 1325170103 715806 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1325170106 396071 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1325170108 393087 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :from windows newlines < 1325170110 23424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1325170112 750839 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1325170114 260164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1325170118 897835 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, make a line break when you hit column 80. < 1325170120 46240 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whips out perl.
< 1325170120 457738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF? < 1325170120 981774 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is all ;P < 1325170125 943674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :XChat forgot all my settings. < 1325170131 572029 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ouch < 1325170132 85314 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lame < 1325170135 858448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXCEPT my freenode server settings. < 1325170138 476173 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: irssi never forgets my settings. < 1325170138 967186 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did you /save? < 1325170143 481013 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: clearly that is why it is better. < 1325170151 35294 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, so col 183 is bad? < 1325170156 814519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No? I've quit it normally like a normal person. < 1325170161 496264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, yes. yes it is. < 1325170178 48654 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm as long as you don't kill it abnomally it should save settings. < 1325170189 212973 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :abnormally* < 1325170202 671369 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the rules for indenting wheres in Haskell? < 1325170231 421416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: I use < 1325170233 356593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo = bar < 1325170235 171086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : where ... < 1325170238 631583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1325170249 231923 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, anyway that about column 80 was a joke. Often you make a new line far before that... < 1325170257 184979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think I killed it abnormally last time, but it had /previously saved/. < 1325170266 45517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, 80 columns isn't enough for Haskell. < 1325170269 152681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, 80 columns might be. < 1325170271 698768 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: 1) open emacs 2) press tab < 1325170271 854992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not <80 cols. < 1325170273 445111 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange < 1325170290 650914 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how about ifs? < 1325170301 726474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Don't use 'em :P But < 1325170302 779724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if foo < 1325170303 110494 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: so for my gaming desktop I am thinking this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130687 < 1325170304 232557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : then ... < 1325170305 39874 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I know I killed xchat many times in weird ways. Usually X crashing or such. And I never had that issue. < 1325170306 87468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : else ... < 1325170306 243369 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what I want. < 1325170336 177923 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, that site loads slowly from here < 1325170340 951696 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: do you think this is overkill or a decent choice? < 1325170341 829883 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay. < 1325170350 984200 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :really slowly < 1325170352 867087 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :still just a white page < 1325170370 951148 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to travel all the way across Europe. < 1325170375 11100 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a long journey. < 1325170382 223592 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My comments are really insightful: "very long line! aaaaaah!" < 1325170383 193125 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a lot of GPU memory. < 1325170413 637176 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, it will probably be enough from what I remember of the nvidia product line < 1325170419 374763 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't that much < 1325170425 761056 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With that comment, the line is 210 characters long < 1325170426 370809 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm almost positive it will be enough < 1325170432 317568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, I never heard of EVGA < 1325170437 222252 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the reviews are basically "lol I can run everything max settings no problems" < 1325170440 182610 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea if they make good quality stuff < 1325170445 843256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EVGA_Corporation < 1325170461 843408 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: eh, I've seen bad reviews on some of their products as the result of failures. < 1325170470 164728 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1325170491 572656 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this one has gotten pretty good reviews < 1325170509 62116 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually most of the bad reviews were because of SLI or whatever it's called < 1325170515 527652 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EVGA_Corporation#Customer_Service_Support <-- how suspect < 1325170521 383672 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people were complaining because their motherboard didn't support SLI. < 1325170530 642726 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1325170532 192931 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1325170543 303198 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the best way to find the lowest empty key in a Map < 1325170544 593833 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1325170568 221545 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325170593 479469 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, also there is no sound level listed for the fan < 1325170605 737582 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, so if you want a quiet system you might run into issues < 1325170620 925007 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1325170641 525501 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I /could/ try liquid cooling on the CPU < 1325170646 416205 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would cut down on noise a bit. < 1325170651 931279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck with that. < 1325170655 540070 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, the GPU fan will be much louder than the CPU one probablyu < 1325170657 997214 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably* < 1325170668 304772 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to liquid cool those? :P < 1325170680 585845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, I wouldn't risk liquid cooling a computer < 1325170684 779295 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe < 1325170693 26428 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... a pretty common thing, I thought. < 1325170695 379258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lack the expertise to answer that question < 1325170698 4028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you realise that liquid cooling is (a) not the quietest method without spending tons and tons of money (b) a huge pain to set up < 1325170705 134049 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nope < 1325170712 250380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also (c) not actually that risky but w/e < 1325170725 967616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, still it is more risky than air cooling. < 1325170737 957713 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you want is completely passive cooling ;P < 1325170763 662401 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :However the heatsink would probably end up larger than the computer < 1325170779 997366 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cons: The fan can get bit loud when gaming. < 1325170795 297973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: many things are more risky than other things < 1325170804 349827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, doesn't in my system < 1325170805 843652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's disingenuous to go on that basis if the absolute risk is still low < 1325170809 190721 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my GPU fan is very quiet < 1325170818 440915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: of course it doesn't because he's not talking about your gpu jfc < 1325170824 492386 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I never got it to run above 50% fan speed < 1325170825 923440 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pros: takes on everything with no problems < 1325170826 687823 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fan is silent < 1325170828 397243 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1325170831 683418 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it idles at about 19% < 1325170837 358331 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOING BY CUSTOMER REVIEWS IS DIFFICULT < 1325170856 388024 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed I'm just mentioning that as a data point < 1325170866 668134 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what is your card. < 1325170870 477751 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it $400 < 1325170881 860118 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it one of those ungodly $700 things < 1325170885 240978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_: you also realise you could just buy an aftermarket cooler < 1325170890 245764 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, Radeon HD 6850. Made by ASUS < 1325170890 547819 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no. < 1325170900 58814 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I literally do not spend much time thinking about computer shopping < 1325170909 558659 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: until I need to < 1325170910 869231 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as now. < 1325170911 627691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_: i can't wait to hear the story of how your computer blew up < 1325170914 138722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ $// < 1325170919 768991 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never < 1325170939 436026 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, and I don't remember how much it cost < 1325170951 810151 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: does it play everything ever on max settings with no problems? < 1325170952 879027 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is key. < 1325170975 452543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want my computer to play everything on max settings. and be silent forever. and cost less than $700 < 1325170981 344389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--kallisti < 1325170981 539316 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1325170984 558828 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: no < 1325170985 579573 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, well, most things. If I run fraps it tends to slow down a bit. < 1325170993 871088 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just play everything on max settings and not be too loud. < 1325171001 81231 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cost can be like... I don't care. < 1325171017 721094 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: help what is fraps < 1325171023 970253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, but without that it runs witcher 2, gta iv and skyrim fine on max. Well not witcher 2 but you need a dual-GPU setup to do that. It runs witcher 2 max minus supersampling fine < 1325171062 860656 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay. < 1325171067 638546 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, fraps is a program on windows that measures FPS in any directx application. Also it can take screenshots and capture what you are playing into a video < 1325171077 70502 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1325171086 976953 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, it does slow down games a bit though < 1325171098 682365 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will be useful as I will be maintaining a very popular Starcraft 2 livestream < 1325171101 686824 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not really) < 1325171114 206718 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, I don't think fraps would work for a livestream < 1325171146 267361 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used it for screenshots mostly < 1325171198 93999 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I think I'll go with this one why not. < 1325171213 451093 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, anyway wrt noise, I have a very good computer case with sound reducing multi-layer stuff and so on < 1325171235 748935 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds expensive. < 1325171236 278480 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, Antec P183 < 1325171247 310349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it is nicely organized inside as well < 1325171254 29481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate the p183 beacuse its so much fucking uglier than the p182 < 1325171259 854936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it? < 1325171271 444928 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION literally has almost zero opinions about computer hardware.
< 1325171276 269772 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, don't they look about the same except for it having a USB3 port? < 1325171277 77481 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1325171283 27413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tech-reviews.co.uk/images/reviews/p183/main.jpg < 1325171283 349584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xsreviews.co.uk/modules/FCKeditor/Upload/Image/AntecP182/stock.jpg < 1325171284 158762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1325171299 455847 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay < 1325171328 355528 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that's an expensive case. < 1325171330 915083 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, also: dust filter and many harddisk slots < 1325171337 334070 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325171358 579748 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, and there are rubber things to reduce hdd vibrations < 1325171363 382908 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nice case < 1325171366 130253 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1325171371 710529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, and I would say it is worth the money < 1325171379 365908 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :p182 is actually more expensive. < 1325171384 158072 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it? heh < 1325171395 23488 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why < 1325171445 297026 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, note however that the PSU goes at the bottom in P183. Which is fine except that my PSU uses flat cables with connectors mounted on the side and is designed to be mounted at the top. it is a bit awkward in some places < 1325171451 27081 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially with the HDD power < 1325171470 776475 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a modular Corsair PSU < 1325171508 36895 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it is only the hdd power that ends up awkward really < 1325171519 838748 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine I'll need a high-watt PSU given the graphics card (that I may not actually buy I haven't decided) < 1325171554 531956 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, if you buy an efficient PSU (80+ Gold certified or whatever it is called) then you won't waste much power due to having a too powerful PSU < 1325171569 488069 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides that gives you some headroom if you want to upgrade components < 1325171588 393539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : is it? heh < 1325171588 554988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wonder why < 1325171591 528722 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I have a 750 W PSU. I could probably throw in several more HDDs without any issue. < 1325171594 677710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :discontinued iirc, or at least just less popular < 1325171599 873624 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1325171624 612387 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I would have thought the price would go down as they tried to get rid of any left over stock then < 1325171626 389113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, don't get a 750 watt psu if you don't have to. the fans will be louder even at lower loads < 1325171638 75297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people buy way too overpowered psus out of paranoia < 1325171660 948975 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the fans on this one are really quiet. I tested when I put it together. I can't hear the fan basically. < 1325171682 333383 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, thermodynamics. < 1325171688 782087 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also for processor I am considering the AMD Phenom II X4 970 (3.5 GHz quad core, though apparently some X4's have two extra cores that you can unlock??) < 1325171696 360253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway iirc I end up on a max theoretical consumption of around 600 W with my current setup. < 1325171711 638649 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :idle is far lower of course < 1325171716 161788 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about those things where you have stuff that boils at CPU temperature. < 1325171752 462121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Your mom boils at CPU temperature? Also hi. < 1325171758 111220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOPICAL: How's vax. < 1325171761 865610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your vacuum. < 1325171762 511073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is. < 1325171769 73646 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sucks? < 1325171772 623468 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I would like you to inject my mind with your opinions on this processor. < 1325171775 890761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1325171785 242119 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because I am computer purchasing nub < 1325171805 972387 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(convenient link for opinion forming: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103894) < 1325171818 401861 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, I have an intel CPU. Because they run cooler given the same computing power. At least that was true when I bought my CPU. They are more expensive though. < 1325171822 292647 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow heatsink and fan included! < 1325171843 914770 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes I was mostly going with cost, but I guess efficiency ends up being cheaper in the long run. < 1325171858 338826 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, well couldn't answer that. I'm mostly after a quiet system. < 1325171872 316580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my system is only slightly louder than my thinkpad laptop at idle < 1325171886 524058 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my laptop is loud < 1325171888 264967 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :always < 1325171889 912135 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, I have a core i7, 4 core at 3.4 GHz. I tend to do some heavy single-thread computations though. < 1325171891 662853 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to clean the fan. < 1325171924 467118 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, my laptop idles at 0 RPM on it's fan if it is a cold day. If it is a hot day it idles on 1500 RPM. :P < 1325171927 354094 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to do HEAVY DUTY MULTI-CORE NATURAL LANGUAGE STATISTICAL COMPUTING < 1325171931 134718 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I need all the power I can get. < 1325171931 621383 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it has a step in between < 1325171939 250665 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practise both are completely silent < 1325171983 995624 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my desktop is not completely silent, but very quiet < 1325171998 994993 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet my desktop will be loud < 1325172013 554462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am considering replacing the case fans though. They are stock and not as quiet as they could be. < 1325172019 897906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:14:50: monqy have you ever been so tired you just fell asleep < 1325172020 54053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:39:33: future elliott: yes i have been so tired i involuntarily slipped unconscious (this has happened multiple times) < 1325172025 28810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i swear to god i meant to type "so cold" < 1325172027 4815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1325172032 517350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only now do i realise that i did not actually type "cold" < 1325172036 475935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "tired" < 1325172038 496552 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when I play starcraft II, skyrim, and magicka on three monitors. < 1325172045 37231 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I won't actually attempt to do that) < 1325172056 729788 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of sleeping involuntarily it may happen today. excitement. < 1325172081 249954 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, you have a multi monitor setup? No idea if such a GPU would be enough then < 1325172082 380329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:53:07: @tell oerjan You remember how you said your ZipList monad was obvious? Apparently in #haskell no one knows about it. < 1325172083 25668 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the topic of being cold, I'm fairly sure my breath is misting up again. < 1325172092 682172 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, indoors? < 1325172093 157176 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I currently have absolutely zero setup. < 1325172093 975427 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1325172097 690783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_: no fucking shit, the whole reason oerjan is interested in it is because the prevailing opinion is that it's impossible < 1325172104 274044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, what do you use atm? < 1325172107 985608 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it? < 1325172112 919751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ? < 1325172114 477828 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: okay? < 1325172121 88822 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZipList. < 1325172151 918790 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: dell inspiron something... Core i3 2.1 GHz dual core hyperthreaded < 1325172172 617039 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, not too bad actually. < 1325172184 200114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src ZipList < 1325172184 685596 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Wrong! You cheating scum! < 1325172185 492705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, I mean compared to what I had before I upgraded < 1325172185 977696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1325172192 965220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: newtype ZipList = ZipList { getZipList :: [a] } < 1325172193 838618 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works for my purposes. Except not anymore because I want to play viji games. < 1325172195 224143 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, which was something from 2006 < 1325172201 373060 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, viji? < 1325172203 868559 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1325172219 828550 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, what is viji? < 1325172227 452293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: instance Applicative ZipList where pure = ZipList . repeat; ZipList (f:fs) <*> ZipList (x:xs) = ZipList (f x : getZipList (fs <*> xs)) < 1325172231 940325 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was replying to a previous statement where oerjan said the ZipList monad should be obvious to anyone who has tried to figure it out. < 1325172234 401475 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people have trouble saying video < 1325172249 367787 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t repeat < 1325172250 336498 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. a -> [a] < 1325172255 470635 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, oh I see < 1325172260 919080 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, doesn't make sense when typing < 1325172316 750520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_: why are you assuming people in #haskell have tried to figure it out... < 1325172324 541020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people don't try to do things everyone says is impossible < 1325172351 51805 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not. it was a casual statement. I don't know why you're scrutinizing it so much. < 1325172373 466041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it amused me, that's all :p < 1325172387 84509 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I got this laptop about a year and a half ago. Before that I was using an old Dell desktop from 2004 maybe? It was a celeron and had 256 MBs of memory before I installed 2 GBs < 1325172389 229870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean oerjan's ziplist shenanigans don't really make much sense if you don't know why he's doing them < 1325172422 473667 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I knew the prevailing opinion was that it was not a monad. < 1325172426 713446 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why I brought it up in #haskell < 1325172428 871079 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because someone mentioned < 1325172432 481545 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it is impossible. < 1325172441 541828 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was like "BRB #ESOTERIC LOGS" < 1325172459 779640 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not really) < 1325172465 381738 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(good paraphrase) < 1325172596 408143 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, ah < 1325172711 916497 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what I did < 1325172718 109270 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325172718 817068 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :before I started using find. < 1325172740 45281 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or actually *sh in general < 1325172753 787309 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet I clicked on stuff with a mouse a lot. < 1325172755 909445 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325173323 325593 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: how is witcher 2? < 1325173368 300490 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, it is a well put together RPG < 1325173382 46691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, I can't think of any major issue with it. < 1325173442 188272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, it is obviously a PC game originally rather than a console port: the graphics are good and the menu system makes sense with a keyboard and mouse < 1325173447 829061 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike for example skyrim < 1325173588 610511 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, I would strongly recommend it, but note that it is a mature game and is rated as such. Don't let kids play it. < 1325173624 120713 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and unlike many other games rated mature it is not actually immature!) < 1325173628 281846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they're cool kids < 1325173630 910874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case let them play it < 1325173633 819629 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1325173701 651546 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway there are hard moral choices. And nothing is censored. But it doesn't make immature jokes all over the place like Saints Row 3 does for example. Rather it simply depict a harsh world. < 1325173705 534485 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :depicts* < 1325173709 487599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you see what I mean < 1325173711 772022 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodbye, I have a sudden desire to play console Sandbox Fighter/Platformer/Stealth games set in cities I have named esolangs indirectly after < 1325173720 610380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1325173726 946824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whattsss < 1325173727 966003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :up < 1325173728 811019 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, lol? < 1325173732 768059 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Assassin's Creed Revelations < 1325173736 804924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1325173743 141817 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying out that game atm < 1325173752 388116 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well kind of. < 1325173755 11914 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm cleaning too < 1325173766 209128 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got to the start of the prologue < 1325173812 713175 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm seeing Vorpal dusting with one hand and trying to play Assassin's Creed with the other. < 1325173828 558678 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hah not quite < 1325173835 27539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I paused the game actually < 1325173840 890792 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with my third hand I'm chatting on irc < 1325173865 730787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I suck at the game atm. Can't get my head around the controls. They are not the standard ones < 1325173872 928803 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right click to run, wtf man? < 1325173876 439753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I had a dream last night where I got hit by a van but the van had a brain uploader in it and I was uploaded and I angsted because I was stuck spending eternity with singularitarians? < 1325173880 757877 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :786) I had a dream last night where I got hit by a van but the van had a brain uploader in it and I was uploaded and I angsted because I was stuck spending eternity with singularitarians? < 1325173922 267802 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dreamed I was trying to report a bug in the haskell syntax highlighting of xchat. Wtf. < 1325173950 352990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well xchat's haskell syntax highlighting is really bad < 1325173955 334161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed < 1325174107 932632 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in the dream the auto indention for C# was really broken as well. It used tab if the line started with a keyword, otherwise space. < 1325174169 70517 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I try to indent my C# code with a tab in XChat, it just displays this list of nicks. < 1325174170 202023 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF? < 1325174177 390558 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1325174179 207959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i'm starting to think i should use a different editor instead < 1325174185 233246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xchat is too bloated, it even has an IRC client! < 1325174189 65765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1325174189 875247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of editor has an IRC client? < 1325174205 612587 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vim? < 1325174211 107120 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ba-dum tsh* < 1325174211 657246 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1325174215 590080 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For effs < 1325174216 999178 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1325174217 590986 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom said 1d 11h 16m 4s ago: Gregor: please unfilter ctrl+b, ctrl+c, thanxkx < 1325174232 614492 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No. Thanxkx. < 1325174235 963636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: < 1325174240 263377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow2 Fuck you < 1325174240 424825 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :6â–ˆ0â–ˆ15â–ˆ14â–ˆ1â–ˆ2â–ˆ12â–ˆ11â–ˆ10â–ˆ3â–ˆ9â–ˆ8â–ˆ7â–ˆ5â–ˆ4â–ˆ13â–ˆ6â–ˆ0â–ˆ15â–ˆ14â–ˆ1â–ˆ2â–ˆ12â–ˆ11â–ˆ10â–ˆ3â–ˆ9â–ˆ8â–ˆ7â–ˆ5â–ˆ4â–ˆ13â–ˆ6â–ˆ0â–ˆ15â–ˆ14â–ˆ1â–ˆ2â–ˆ12â–ˆ11â–ˆ10â–ˆ3â–ˆ9â–ˆ8â–ˆ7â–ˆ5â–ˆ4â–ˆ13â–ˆ6â–ˆ0â–ˆ15â–ˆ14â–ˆ1â–ˆ2â–ˆ12â–ˆ11â–ˆ10â–ˆ3â–ˆ9â–ˆ8â–ˆ ...too much output! < 1325174242 200514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops < 1325174243 331625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow Fuck you < 1325174243 493382 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2F3u4c5k6 7y8o9u < 1325174261 161157 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused by the fact that I know my client can display colors, yet it's not willing to. < 1325174264 243372 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, when did +c get taken on? < 1325174264 545056 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :3Foo? < 1325174267 879387 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*off < 1325174276 638920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: A while ago. < 1325174297 443960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Anyway, I want them unfiltered because I wanted to `addquote with bold because something funny happened that was funny because of bold. < 1325174309 383222 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Cry me a river. < 1325174320 930178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You suck. < 1325174323 207892 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-D < 1325174332 496030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So much for the world's most hackable IRC bot!!! < 1325174377 322573 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reduction in hackability resulting from this restriction still yields it the world's most hackable. < 1325174425 824166 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to go to sleep, but it's 11AM. < 1325174432 71738 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAZZZZZZ*off to work* < 1325174438 687410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Just you wait < 1325174440 987838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Until I wrote < 1325174446 166167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ColorId < 1325174450 203249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ou < 1325174452 702834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops how embarsing < 1325174475 808172 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf the controls in this game are so broken < 1325174476 130281 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift to loot and pick up? < 1325174476 286741 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right mouse button to run. < 1325174481 671082 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is so utterly non-standard < 1325174500 17436 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :most games use e to pick up, shift or ctrl to run. < 1325174614 940301 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325174619 215030 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what, right mouse button and space to jump? while just space is walk fast < 1325174624 616626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no logic to this even < 1325174626 270248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1325174638 175305 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325174664 674698 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: sure there is. < 1325174667 385359 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's like a platformer < 1325174671 416848 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you jump around a lot while running. < 1325174702 852450 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, eh < 1325174705 906654 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly it's non-standard < 1325174709 359647 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but standardness is BORING < 1325174713 857382 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :games are about FUN < 1325174714 104225 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :very non-standard indeed < 1325174716 647076 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dawg < 1325174734 810902 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, I think oblivion's swapping of space and e is enough for me < 1325174737 634405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_: You appear to be under the impression that Vorpal can experience fun. < 1325174742 747122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He actually plays games to feel really standard. < 1325174764 790596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I play games to have fun. Awkward controls doesn't make the game fun < 1325174790 890163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Just like Gregor says "smell" and means "fnarf", you say "fun" and mean "comfortingly standard". < 1325174796 744004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is an Official Fact. < 1325174848 666305 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it use checkpoints, not quicksave < 1325174856 428512 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my god < 1325174864 608728 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like an old school game < 1325174866 999385 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like magicka < 1325174873 218254 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVIL WOORLD WHAT IS WQRONG < 1325174966 697720 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: Just like Gregor says "smell" and means "fnarf", you say "fun" and mean "comfortingly standard". < 1325174978 226930 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought fnarf was what Gregor did instead of taste? < 1325174982 143733 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325174993 339070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, maybe. < 1325174994 629801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same thing. < 1325175008 539161 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325175023 27427 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1325175073 755498 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and far between the checkpoints < 1325175073 917459 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, I have nothing against hard games, and nothing against checkpoints if they are placed in reasonable places < 1325175075 412890 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1325175172 288740 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325175338 234633 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin < 1325175343 452454 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325175343 613709 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325175376 11260 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325176331 368158 :kallisti_!~eris@h38.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325176357 613006 :kallisti!~eris@h228.60.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325176357 936759 :kallisti!~eris@h228.60.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1325176358 93373 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1325176802 963520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1325177511 426616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1325177546 804890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1325177582 131126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1325177731 960890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry, I've been busy with AceHack rather than esolangs < 1325177922 228321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1325177932 352751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been busy with nothing < 1325178052 225409 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been busy with busy. < 1325178117 25893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best kind of busy < 1325178118 821244 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1325178316 487485 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you know what sucks about Python? < 1325178320 848801 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's neither Haskell nor Perl. < 1325178326 757950 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are serious disadvantages. < 1325178532 555659 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, it requires explicit conversions between data types, but with none of the compile-time benefits of requiring those. < 1325178544 727567 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS BOTH UNLIKE PERL AND UNLIKE HASKELL < 1325178549 337027 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :badd < 1325178574 403851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2324087/is-jquery-faster-than-javascript < 1325178580 704411 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1325178590 203109 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1325178590 888698 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1325178601 214912 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1325178617 915873 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Django faster than Python? < 1325178640 757884 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ridiculous on at least two levels. < 1325178642 574477 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly more. < 1325178650 589962 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is monads faster than haskell < 1325178651 722770 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Apache faster than PHP? < 1325178658 964175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yes < 1325178670 643558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: you can interpret it as "if I'm writing a JavaScript program, will it be faster if I use idiomatic jQuery, or idiomatic non-jQuery?" < 1325178674 234457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: but only when interpreted < 1325178701 591547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no, monads is about order of operations, that's more constraint so it has to work it out so it's slower < 1325178702 600523 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about lighttpd? < 1325178704 776928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for maximum speed use unsafeperformio < 1325178706 72056 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes that's semi-reasonable, but it still depends on implementation I would think. < 1325178721 713938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: lighttpd is usually compiled to PHP code and run under Apache, so it's faster than both. < 1325178729 875857 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1325178736 362934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: but only if you use jquery < 1325178769 388952 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I would imagine JQuery either helps or doesn't hurt at all. < 1325178777 212699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: not necessarily < 1325178777 373987 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but would not make your program slower. < 1325178782 262822 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's just a guess. < 1325178791 101573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing document.write("abc"); is almost certainly faster than the jQuery idiomatic way to do just that < 1325178810 113957 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay. see I wouldn't think jQuery needs an idiomatic way to do that. < 1325178818 852255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I doubt document.write is very fast, because it's strongly deprecated. < 1325178824 881625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, OK, indeed < 1325178826 237125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So not many people will care about optimising it. < 1325178850 62016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: jQuery does have a really heavily-optimised CSS selector library IIRC, so it's quite likely to be faster than rolling your own DOM traversal loop in some cases < 1325178880 519905 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :does JQuery make any use of xpath? < 1325178911 191673 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :xpath doesn't seem as commonly used as it probably could be.. < 1325178928 443726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/799961/most-efficient-way-to-turn-x-y-into-true < 1325178966 8829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, a line of code I saw in NetHack today, simplified/anonymised because I can't remember the details: !(!!x ^ !!y) < 1325178988 564020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /think/ it simplifies to !x == !y; I don't know if that's easier to understand or not than the original < 1325178991 549227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :( < 1325178998 465181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ^ is just != < 1325178999 473832 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what a weird exercise in futility. < 1325179003 583351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's !(!!x != !!y) < 1325179005 36987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1325179007 339311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!x == !!y < 1325179008 509662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so x == y < 1325179012 2135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but x and y are coerced to booleans < 1325179015 685778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's < 1325179019 346337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bool)x == (bool)y < 1325179020 154491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yep, it's (bool)x==(bool)y < 1325179021 528757 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So !!x == !!y < 1325179023 558284 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1325179025 601073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yes :) < 1325179027 700088 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in C89, !x == !y < 1325179034 385310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(! is simpler than !! in this case) < 1325179037 986075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, indeed < 1325179046 212509 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the situation a bit < 1325179053 495354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has written {foo ^= true} before
< 1325179065 732496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather "foo !=;" though :) < 1325179071 765053 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The optimizer might be able to optimize out !! but not ! in some cases, I think < 1325179113 441426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: huh? like when? < 1325179139 331340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src sum < 1325179139 817403 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sum = foldl (+) 0 < 1325179153 7820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sum [0..] doesn't seem to stack overflow in my GHC < 1325179156 640002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess strictness analysis < 1325179173 658710 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. If the compiler already knows the values are 0 or 1, it should be able to optimize out both... so I guess not, after all. < 1325179401 628591 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I believe sum is written strictly anyway. < 1325179408 654147 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :using foldl' < 1325179425 796955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: < 1325179429 934906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : @src sum < 1325179430 91199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : sum = foldl (+) 0 < 1325179445 120437 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: we all know how accurate @src can be < 1325179470 93159 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum [0..] < 1325179475 572273 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: ExitFailure 1 < 1325179475 728690 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: Prelude.undefined < 1325179476 323788 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325179477 764722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Um, that's the Report definition. < 1325179481 773431 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1325179481 991717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Using foldl' would change semantics. < 1325179500 616204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: How do I put `foo` in monospaced text with reddit markdown, thanks infinite giver of knowledge < 1325179508 542060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :``blah `foo` buh`` works but not ```foo``` < 1325179511 840719 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `blah: not found < 1325179518 929993 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really need to get out of the habit of watching end credits all the way through < 1325179543 195698 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: `` `foo` `` < 1325179551 617455 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And it won't include the spaces < 1325179554 402477 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah well it doesn't use foldl at all actually < 1325179558 842329 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses an accumulating parameter. < 1325179559 489804 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (Sez http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/syntax ) < 1325179568 624752 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/libraries/base/src/Data-List.html#sum < 1325179600 202251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Ha ha, thinking that daringfireball's description of Markdown syntax is implemented universally BUT I'LL TRY IT THX < 1325179601 244969 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This has got to be the least elliott-friendly Haskell program ever. It even doesn't work! < 1325179623 394505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Golly, it worked < 1325179632 965403 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've yet to run into problems with that spec in Pandoc :-P < 1325179692 905600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: reddit uses snudown which is a fork of sundown which is a fork of upskirt, and used to use Discount which is its complete own thing :P < 1325179698 381868 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t test :: NotRealType < 1325179699 945958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think nobody's managed to agree on a table syntax yet. < 1325179705 112812 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `test' < 1325179705 268774 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: type constructor or class `NotRealType' < 1325179731 307163 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are two good reasons why that doesn't work < 1325179756 365412 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Alright, didn't know that. I'm not exactly a hardcore Reddit commenter/markdown user so I just go by daringfireball when I want to do something I'm not used to :-P < 1325179793 437708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION MARKDOWN SCIENTIST
< 1325179849 59690 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And by Pandoc when I want to do something that's not in daringfireball; that's only happened on my website thus far, hence Pandoc.) < 1325179911 929738 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: how's your horrible family tree thing going? < 1325179940 344782 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, elliott-unfriendily < 1325179958 168435 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you do something horrible or did you just use a tree like a sane person? < 1325179963 15407 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm now using a combination of Data.Graph and Data.Map < 1325179963 424815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Also, you should always use braces! [...] There is no hanging-else ambiguity in the above code." --Stack Overflow user, criticising code from K&R < 1325179968 473195 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrible family tee thin--oh dear < 1325179973 841436 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: that works. < 1325179976 342779 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :type FamilyTree = (Map Int Person, Graph) < 1325179977 520223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :KERNIGHAN AND RITCHIE WHADDO THEY KNOW < 1325179982 233623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: "data" dude < 1325179986 986894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't... don't use tuples < 1325179990 644900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that < 1325180014 294728 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told you about the elliott-unfriendliness < 1325180018 355012 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WARNED you dog < 1325180021 29173 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh Ngevd what hpappens when there are cycles,,, < 1325180030 185472 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think familys work like that... < 1325180032 969597 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no cycles allowed < 1325180035 623147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: future proofing < 1325180039 53593 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you're British HAHAHAHAHAH) < 1325180068 501840 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I can't really talk I live in THE SOUTHERN UNITED STATES) < 1325180124 816158 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: also what is Int? < 1325180137 192746 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... in Prelude < 1325180140 749960 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I mean < 1325180141 622201 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1325180143 964108 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the key of your map < 1325180146 873413 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it int < 1325180153 673418 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's easier for Graph < 1325180158 284047 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what is it < 1325180159 136474 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As Vertex is defined as Int < 1325180162 661220 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arbitary < 1325180169 955806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8626109/how-can-i-get-what-my-main-function-has-returned < 1325180175 315856 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Completely Arbitary < 1325180183 276024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: use fgl dude < 1325180186 544672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/fgl < 1325180193 107914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Graph is ~not very good~ < 1325180210 986874 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure he needs a graph.. < 1325180237 161183 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The graph is used to check who's whose child < 1325180251 215164 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1325180256 419358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: sure he does < 1325180257 428183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1325180274 974096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tree structure falls down at the first incest < 1325180279 57720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Ngevd is british :P < 1325180286 341364 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess. < 1325180304 944695 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: okay but why are you looking up people by integers in both a Map < 1325180306 398130 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in a Graph < 1325180312 633264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr that the mormons actually have a standard format for family trees that can't actually represent incest because they're mormons < 1325180322 555104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess they just restructure the family trees??? < 1325180332 405209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: because a Graph just stores Ints < 1325180337 632922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to be able to correlate them with the actual people < 1325180343 557491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why Ngevd should use fgl :P < 1325180355 227486 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm saying I think he has his map backwards < 1325180360 599256 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be like Map Int Person < 1325180361 407434 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1325180363 716097 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Map Person Int < 1325180364 762025 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oopse < 1325180366 538353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1325180367 668811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't < 1325180370 574952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get an Int out of the graph structure < 1325180374 55818 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me guess: type Person = String?? < 1325180374 741019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to look up the person it corresponds to < 1325180378 178537 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh I see. < 1325180393 832195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i bet type Person = (String, Int, Float, Double, Rational, [Any]) < 1325180398 594110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*(Rational, [Any])) < 1325180406 809346 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Person = (Maybe String, Maybe String, Maybe Gender) except as a data < 1325180421 276696 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lies < 1325180424 506852 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What're the two Strings < 1325180428 827817 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe gender? < 1325180432 204469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd's nameless somethingless genderless ancestor < 1325180432 360580 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :First name and Surname < 1325180443 572881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Nothing, Just "", Nothing) -- this is me < 1325180461 930933 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-personal-names < 1325180464 433123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: also you realise that < 1325180466 741089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1325180467 709369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks Deewiant < 1325180480 803439 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Or, as it was put on reddit: "When your program asks for a 'first name' or 'last name', you're doing it wrong" < 1325180482 780592 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just (repeat 'a'), Nothing, Just undefined) -- me < 1325180486 679779 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using Nothing as unknown, and empty as ACTUALLY NONE < 1325180499 18029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah Ngevd should just use a single String for names < 1325180513 72190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he won't because the best way to get him to continue doing what he's doing is to tell him what he's doing is bad and propose a better solution :P < 1325180521 103614 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a list of strings, for preferred transliterations and such, I guess < 1325180545 656713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's properly overkill for personal use software < 1325180546 695125 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a map from language codes to strings < 1325180548 713564 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a Name where Name is a bunch of constructors for different kinds of names. :3 < 1325180559 519056 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... I possibly have Sri Lankan and/or Arab ancestors... < 1325180565 875571 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, I like that idea < 1325180578 908139 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :awww yeah < 1325180585 448276 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means you probably shouldn't do it though. < 1325180587 918625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: he was joking. < 1325180589 908606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't do that. < 1325180593 613984 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least going by elliott's logic. < 1325180651 553932 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd prefer to keep it to Western names that are likely to appear in the UK and the Netherlands < 1325180656 810070 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR NOW < 1325180659 725260 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: racist < 1325180721 759845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: why not just use a String < 1325180728 505047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uk people have middle names too < 1325180746 30513 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE... < 1325180747 54919 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1325180760 796105 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia: "A limit to the number of given names is unknown to the Dutch law, so in theory one could give a child an endless series of names. In the Netherlands however, five is usually the limit." < 1325180762 129550 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if it were complex software and would presumably do something with those names < 1325180765 161748 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on surname ec < 1325180769 155490 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*etc < 1325180771 388326 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people in my family tree have names that lack an instance in the Show class? < 1325180772 357911 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Person = Unique < 1325180786 772751 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1325180799 598352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: presumably you can't give someone infinitely many given names < 1325180822 298282 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a challenge < 1325180840 254071 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say you can, but no systems or software in place would understand < 1325180842 109945 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could give them an inductive name generating proof as a name. < 1325180875 823809 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :name dependent on time of day < 1325180879 768812 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Each name in the baby name book with ISBN ..., repeat when you get to the end" < 1325180943 397794 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder: the most ridiculous name in a baby name book < 1325180955 379148 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"monqy" < 1325180963 95277 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who would call their kid "monqy" < 1325180991 537360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: just use a String, dude < 1325181000 903102 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mainly have it as two strings so I can search by first name or surname < 1325181009 69167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t isPrefixOf < 1325181010 89718 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Eq a) => [a] -> [a] -> Bool < 1325181011 140770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t isSuffixOf < 1325181012 107510 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Eq a) => [a] -> [a] -> Bool < 1325181017 820477 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah! < 1325181019 330132 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t isInfixOf < 1325181019 977041 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Eq a) => [a] -> [a] -> Bool < 1325181020 133463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "Taneb " `isPrefixOf` "Ngevd Taneb" < 1325181021 269576 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1325181023 750809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1325181025 848442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "Ngevd " `isPrefixOf` "Ngevd Taneb" < 1325181027 503065 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1325181030 286825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> " Taneb" `isSuffixOf` "Ngevd Taneb" < 1325181031 93408 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1325181047 229662 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"vd Ta" `isInfixOf` "Ngevd Taneb" < 1325181049 689544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> " Middlename " `isInfixOf` "Ngevd Middlename Taneb" < 1325181050 821642 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1325181060 102494 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Taneb" is strictly speaking a... fratrinomic? of me < 1325181069 765132 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/regex-pcre/0.94.2/doc/html/Text-Regex-PCRE.html < 1325181072 308389 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> all (`isInfixOf` "Ngevd Taneb") ["Ngevd ", " Taneb"] < 1325181073 438517 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1325181164 472565 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the only bit of this program elliott will have to actually make an effort to object to is the definition of Gender < 1325181172 66847 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Gender = Male|Female deriving (Eq, Show) < 1325181196 616442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is turning over a new leaf of complaining about Ngevd's programs.
< 1325181203 114006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm going to do is propose ridiculous unworkable solutions. < 1325181210 229790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: I suggest you define Person as a String, and store JSON in it. < 1325181219 119554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Encoded in Mork. < 1325181220 937257 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: the LGBT community is not pleased with your definition of gender. < 1325181222 751772 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: You know "gender" is the psychological term, so you should include transsexuals and whatnot < 1325181235 668307 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stand by Person = Unique < 1325181243 141137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: His definition already encompasses male and female trans* people < 1325181270 698259 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If he wants to include only the latest info, sure < 1325181284 358588 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes I agree unique comparable opaque symbols are a good substitute for information about a person. < 1325181288 561277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: He doesn't handle name changes either; [Person] would probably be the best way to handle that < 1325181301 331282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Although what I'd do is store the current Person, and a list of historical changes < 1325181309 202874 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: because that's what people are right < 1325181312 755760 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "computer, give me data about this person." "well... it's not any of these other people." < 1325181327 187734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: :D < 1325181328 478793 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Right, a list of people would probably be best < 1325181341 384848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I know that when *I* change my name, I become a new person. < 1325181349 89604 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1325181362 602513 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I change my name whenever I become a new person < 1325181396 690843 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I name my change whenever I become a new person. < 1325181409 932945 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1325181456 303470 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I name a new person whenever I become my change < 1325181471 609552 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have I ever become my change? < 1325181475 603728 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just picturing that now < 1325181486 737397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just picturing that cow < 1325181502 635777 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just cow picturing < 1325181513 715416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Picturing that just cow < 1325181521 871901 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesssss < 1325181523 2957 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so good < 1325181525 633581 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just < 1325181526 542883 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Right, this is £19.99. Here's a £20 quid note. Crap, I'm a penny. That new person is Terrence" < 1325181529 101408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So cowly. < 1325181532 620491 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Just "Cow" < 1325181533 826831 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe [Char] < 1325181533 983203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: X-D < 1325181540 375685 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just just cow picturing < 1325181578 336395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cow tools < 1325181590 769889 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tool cow < 1325181629 224734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just picturing that tool cow's justs < 1325181632 130954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, fuck < 1325181703 878442 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck, wait. < 1325181705 858162 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1325181784 385437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck weight < 1325181871 150398 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Famous musician Fuck Waits < 1325181974 227056 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impression of Assassin's Creed Revelations so far: The controls are utterly weird. Apart from that it is so far quite a nice game. I heard there were some worse parts later on though. < 1325182018 58478 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I never played any other game in the franchise) < 1325182026 445775 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I was about to ask < 1325182031 359318 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the controls any different from the other games < 1325182036 682553 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're probably very similar though. < 1325182037 610777 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1325182051 831746 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For XBox 360, anyway < 1325182052 929299 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the controls very intuitive actually < 1325182057 571907 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, I'm playing on PC < 1325182059 509503 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :each button maps to a different concept. < 1325182081 918163 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least on an Xbox control. < 1325182083 533520 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, but wtf: right mouse button to run. Shift to loot. e to shoot. space to walk fast. < 1325182086 325129 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C99E.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1325182092 660631 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the climbing stuff is awkward < 1325182095 247468 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, that's not on XBox... < 1325182098 269359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be better on a console. I don't know < 1325182106 632303 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, I don't have an xbox. < 1325182113 208079 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh wait is right mouse button run or is it "loud mode" or whatever. < 1325182126 646359 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Left stick to walk, left stick + right trigger to run < 1325182129 200393 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, well it is high profile mode, which results in running < 1325182129 849010 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not "run", it's "high profile" < 1325182138 874406 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ah yes okay < 1325182143 939082 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus it alters meanings of other controls < 1325182144 785687 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not too difficult to get used to. < 1325182162 446006 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, it is kind of weird when you are used to the standard PC RPG keyboard layout < 1325182172 784212 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: dude if they made shift high profile < 1325182175 612085 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would hate it so much < 1325182180 226805 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you use high profile all the time. < 1325182181 34675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, well probably < 1325182191 390722 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would be handy is Text.GEDCOM < 1325182205 901788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, no I don't use it all the time technically. Not when trying to keep a low profile < 1325182210 59589 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sure, otherwise yes < 1325182228 271451 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I remember the controls correctly you use it quite a bit when climbing. < 1325182258 580181 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift is drop down isn't it? I haven't manage to learn climbing yet. I'm currently running around and trying to get used to it < 1325182264 547047 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :before I continue further into the story < 1325182307 495473 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the way it works on an xbox control is that each of the face buttons loosely correspond to a body part. < 1325182326 263843 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh weird boxes on the walls here. < 1325182351 628733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, hm. Well actually it says e is head in the options for example. But from what I can tell e is just shoot < 1325182354 375133 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the same thing on PC, it just works out weirder because they're around the keyboard/mouse instead of 4 buttons (with logical directions like upper = head, lower = feet) < 1325182363 370945 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: NEED TO FOOOOCUUUUUS < 1325182380 59855 :Romance!~b@unaffiliated/yusuke QUIT :Quit: Client exited < 1325182397 159370 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, also a lot of the time I want to climb something (when I'm on the ground and am about to start a climb "sequence") I end up doing a wall jump instead < 1325182401 678991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what am I doing wrong < 1325182407 636756 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're pressing jump I think < 1325182420 918737 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is also sprint < 1325182440 256512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : What would be handy is Text.GEDCOM < 1325182444 174656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! That's the broken Mormon standard. < 1325182446 276658 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, but high profile + space is how you start a climb as well < 1325182446 963329 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sometimes it does a wall jump instead < 1325182468 757918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, maybe it is something in the timing? < 1325182470 369170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure < 1325182477 206289 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is annoying the hell out of me though < 1325182479 22804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, it doesn't actually support recording children not of a marriage? < 1325182480 152107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome < 1325182482 816740 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall having that problem and fixing it by not holding down the sprinty button all the time. < 1325182493 197397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1325182498 548560 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Some walls can't be climbed, if the guy has nothing to hang on to at the apex he just jumps off it instead < 1325182507 813395 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather pressing it impulsively. < 1325182514 312929 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I can climb the wall. It is just it takes like 4 tries < 1325182523 36038 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also if you let go and then press it again, he jumps on the second press, I think < 1325182528 74695 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1325182528 308114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The guy", name of all videogame protagonists ever. < 1325182528 562138 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1325182542 673181 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typically I just hold down both right mouse button and space bar and rarely let go of either :-P < 1325182544 974215 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I'm pressing space firmly for like half a second < 1325182550 962485 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually tapping it seems to work better hm < 1325182566 76531 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest holding it down until you're sure the guy isn't going to jump < 1325182578 334554 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1325182586 714551 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So like, three seconds, or something :-P < 1325182590 509117 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kind of works. Uses the hookblade as well < 1325182604 590776 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1325182634 173922 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1325182672 484484 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Assassin's Creed would be much better if they had stopped using Ezio quite so much as the protagonist. < 1325182680 482948 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1325182681 775754 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and continued going to new characters. < 1325182695 381900 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, didn't one of the games have another guy yeah? < 1325182703 620508 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the original :-P < 1325182709 443951 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does the inventory work, can you get encumbered? < 1325182718 657983 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1325182724 304783 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol encumbered < 1325182745 286728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My only experience with Assassin's Creed is (a) seeing that video of how long it takes to quit and (b) seeing people complain about the two-layer plot thing < 1325182768 820727 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Vorpal, this is Legend of Zelda." "Cool, it has an inventory. Can you get encumbered?" < 1325182805 172637 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That quitting thing was only in the original, and there was always alt-f4... < 1325182822 620978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Alt-F4, the safest method of quitting anything. < 1325182833 191526 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1325182841 838466 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :stress tested by myself for over a decade now. < 1325182854 19221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt-f4 doesn't quit quite a few things in this computer < 1325182862 315843 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's safe in programs that tell you when they save data (and actually do it when they tell you they're doing it) :-P < 1325182863 649006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it closes the window, but some things keep running even with one of their windows closed < 1325182875 547906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: well, alt-f4 isn't sigkill or anything < 1325182887 341132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Windows, it's WM_CLOSE, windows are entirely capable of handling or even ignoring that message < 1325182894 78319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most word processors do, for instance < 1325182898 220408 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1325182945 309011 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Vorpal, this is Legend of Zelda." "Cool, it has an inventory. Can you get encumbered?" <-- lol < 1325182954 600416 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes I typoed that < 1325182960 390831 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325182984 674890 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325183003 322641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wtf guy, you just copied my answer wholesale and reworded it :-( < 1325183016 274069 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Indeed? Libreoffice doesn't, at least. < 1325183026 529277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: seriously? < 1325183032 985636 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also hay stacks are apparently magical < 1325183043 842879 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I just started it and pressed alt-f4 and it went away. :-P < 1325183045 295793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: sure it doesn't pop up a box "you have unsaved changes, do you want to save them?" or the like? < 1325183051 500844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is /no/ way that 50 meter fall or so would have worked with a tiny haystack at the bottom in real life < 1325183052 631795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: oh, you have to edit the document first < 1325183060 479163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has no reason to interrupt alt-f4 if you just saved < 1325183067 332374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you never changed the document to start with < 1325183069 874883 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well that, of course. < 1325183073 998827 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you meant they ignored it. < 1325183080 961073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: videogame characters are normally very good at surviving falls < 1325183083 583906 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :[\|-\{}] < 1325183086 910482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to create an unkillable user-level-permissions Windows program < 1325183097 857220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barring the fancy lower-than-OS-level kernel debugger stuff < 1325183106 656268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think so, the task manager's "end process" option can't be interrupted in any way < 1325183114 267349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah yeah < 1325183118 53230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You can stop the user accessing the task manager < 1325183121 296003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By covering the whole screen, f.e. < 1325183123 395323 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It can by being asleep in a syscall though, right? < 1325183127 441126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And blocking those key events or whatever < 1325183127 602408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: task manager is always on top < 1325183129 900923 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what made part of the map suddenly display. Oh was that the "viewpoint sync" thing? < 1325183131 443117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: hmm < 1325183133 56798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1325183136 166794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK, by closing any open task manager windows or w/e < 1325183137 699882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, ^ < 1325183140 407043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm < 1325183142 626971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl food < 1325183146 185011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you can replace Windows' WM too, so that could force the task manager to disappear < 1325183147 339273 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just hope the game saved... < 1325183150 612034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's blackbox for Windows and everyting < 1325183152 442790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably the task manager is using some sort of syscall that other programs could use < 1325183167 821525 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm pretty sure I've run into programs that refuse to die even from process explorer's kill (which seems to work better than the task manager in my experience) < 1325183171 161932 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1325183181 936254 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's how you uncover things on the map < 1325183183 885505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also have e.g. ten processes that keep each other alive < 1325183184 733124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: wouldn't surprise me, I'm not a Windows expert < 1325183192 603409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And make it fast enough that you can't kill them all before they respawn < 1325183197 786958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's known as a forkbomb, right? < 1325183205 276838 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: one of the first things I do is go hunting viewpoints. it's strangely enjoyable. < 1325183209 709386 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just climbing around the city. < 1325183210 31766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, constant number of processes < 1325183213 785746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just supporting each other < 1325183216 695293 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Esoteric!) Anybody know of an in-browser Common Lisp REPL? < 1325183217 218271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: limited forkbomb, then < 1325183221 701499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1325183230 19770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I once accidentally crashed a Windows computer by somehow making IE6 into a forkbomb by mistake < 1325183232 323395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No, but I bet codepad or something has it < 1325183234 50126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's how buggy IE6 is) < 1325183243 966880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Common Lisp isn't fashionable enough for that :) < 1325183276 266709 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, I know, but I just want one piece of information regarding its eval >_> < 1325183278 136456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked repl.it, but it doesn't have it < 1325183286 465758 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foo < 1325183290 459639 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither does codepad < 1325183293 42215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does have a few esolangs, though < 1325183317 678344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: apt-get install sbcl < 1325183320 343160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sbcl < 1325183322 119721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(eval 'x) < 1325183330 346969 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah yeah < 1325183341 583556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should have an uncommon lisp and a rare lisp too < 1325183343 847167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that are less used < 1325183383 998796 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: We do, they're called Racket and [whatever Lisp was for a Lisp machine and had a C compiler] < 1325183406 233841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Symbolics Lisp Machine Lisp < 1325183407 908046 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowait, it wasn't a Lisp machine, just a Lisp OS. < 1325183421 691174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Or Open Genera Lisp :P < 1325183421 847729 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or ... it was? < 1325183427 674147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ZETA C was for Symbolics machines. < 1325183431 561694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowait < 1325183431 810086 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1325183435 554776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TI Explorer < 1325183436 570120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry < 1325183441 242576 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*brain axplote* < 1325183442 840602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which were Lisp Machines < 1325183444 876900 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, those are all Rare Lisp. < 1325183451 402029 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, right < 1325183452 48219 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: one of the first things I do is go hunting viewpoints. it's strangely enjoyable. <-- what do they look like in general? < 1325183452 204782 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one was a minaret thingy with a springboard thingy < 1325183457 643306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, ZetaLisp < 1325183485 961742 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: tall places < 1325183489 215096 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a thing < 1325183491 800118 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you stand on < 1325183493 258089 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that hangs over < 1325183494 787471 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tall thing < 1325183507 481185 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1325183508 328227 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, the springboard thingy in other words? < 1325183511 322050 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1325183513 746650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deep OH SHIT THAT FUCKER JUST UNACCEPTED MY ANSWER < 1325183518 4718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO MY REP MY REP < 1325183535 390194 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also in previous games I think there was a bird's nest or something above any piles of hay. < 1325183537 63628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: calm down, it's just a number < 1325183546 177386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY LIFE IS OVER < 1325183556 436709 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: so you could escape from a rooftop chase and such. < 1325183562 303966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it's mostly annoying because I got votes after hitting the cap that would put me back over 200 but they got eaten by the limit :P < 1325183599 676947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, is <(foo) POSIX? < 1325183632 646804 :[\|-\{}]!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin < 1325183674 674373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: was that previous nick leetspeak? or just nonsensical? < 1325183678 432880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is leetspeak, I can't parse it < 1325183696 820937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm, now I'm trying to read it as a regex < 1325183701 885923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's correct as a regex, but not particularly sensible < 1325183707 264622 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, well there are "leap of faith" thingies indicated by pigeons. That end in a haystack < 1325183736 501418 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you can find those on non-leap-of-faith thingies as well. < 1325183741 877339 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless that's what a leap of faith is < 1325183743 501345 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember < 1325183750 769689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for ais523 to realise he's an idiot.
< 1325183753 754878 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, btw there is a easter egg in witcher 2. In the prologue there is a dead guy with clothes like the guy in the first assassin's creed game half a meter from a haystack. < 1325183765 42156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*copumpkin: < 1325183770 177137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1325183770 500104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it completed as cheater first time < 1325183796 24098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I didn't think it'd get it wrong twice < 1325183819 119406 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@host131-209-dynamic.116-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1325183821 98794 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@host131-209-dynamic.116-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it QUIT :Changing host < 1325183821 255027 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1325183830 908961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pumpkin: ITALY?! < 1325183837 686776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good thing you have that cloak to hide that shameful secret. < 1325183840 672640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: several games with fall damage allow you to cancel the fall damage by doing some sort of move just above the ground < 1325183869 846888 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1325183904 353290 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, for example in terraria there at least 5 ways that doesn't involve the official "cancel fall damage" accessory :P < 1325183911 375003 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :two of them are probably bugs < 1325183949 174501 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1325183954 300003 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in super smash brothers there is no fall damage, also you can phase through platforms magically. < 1325184040 41736 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, strange marker on map, that isn't listed in the legends thingy for the map: like a square rotated 45 degrees and then split into 4 quaters, alternate black and white < 1325184043 870315 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :any idea what it is? < 1325184045 325756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: just like in real life < 1325184264 135312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you just need an appropriate sandwich < 1325184266 438900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :accept my answer accept my answeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer < 1325184268 757493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :D < 1325184346 769455 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't remember < 1325184347 782014 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but uh < 1325184352 420780 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure there's a map legend < 1325184363 161912 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1325184363 645796 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1325184365 982081 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1325184369 861291 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably just some generic marker thing? < 1325184373 16883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went there and saw nothing interesting < 1325184373 178288 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, yes I checked that < 1325184373 334983 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the icon was not listed < 1325184406 653064 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, for what? < 1325184449 380542 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk tias lol < 1325184451 646374 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it's for one of the collectible memory things or something... I'm pretty sure it was in the map legend in one of the previous games :-P < 1325184488 411774 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :now... what's really an awkward game to control on PC < 1325184491 520764 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Prototype. < 1325184805 435280 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, the answer is: nothing as far as I can see < 1325184809 840267 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm, some beggars? < 1325184926 925926 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah found it < 1325184940 734874 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is an "animus data fragment"? < 1325184942 242541 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, wth are they good for? < 1325184943 939423 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :collectibles? < 1325185085 663908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's actually impossible for me to recoup the rep with votes, since I hit the cap with votes... gross < 1325185128 218871 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think the first N of them unlock the desmond memories on the island you started on < 1325185140 202831 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :After that, beats me, probably just collectibles < 1325185166 164472 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah < 1325185180 454916 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can check what N is back on the island) < 1325185192 652757 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the animation when you press tab to get the full screen map is cool the first few times, after that you just wish it was faster... < 1325185222 997325 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I could set a custom compass marker or such to keep track of where I was going < 1325185235 392067 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325185245 520357 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"set marker" seems to set it on your current location < 1325185247 661692 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how useless < 1325185253 278795 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1325185257 207448 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh wtf now it worked < 1325185259 307280 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1325185371 30511 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah < 1325185379 979667 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm a fake italian < 1325185396 73649 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pumpakinno < 1325185398 659796 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin < 1325185485 295504 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpakinno < 1325186075 521034 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325186141 707175 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325186171 745107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, question: I have like a thin ledge on a round tower and have to jump sideways to another. How to not fall to ground? (This is in an early mission where you are taught how to use the hookblade) < 1325186181 152870 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fail at jumping sideways and catch the new ledge bit < 1325186194 440602 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shift catches < 1325186198 134108 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1325186205 611945 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1325186211 145361 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I flew right out and died < 1325186211 498814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :again < 1325186216 597180 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tried to use shift < 1325186218 251461 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm not sure of the situation < 1325186226 174341 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, should I hold shift when I start the jump? < 1325186246 380328 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use shift just as I'm at grabbing distance of the ledge < 1325186288 867526 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm problem is the tower is round and I seem to jump straight to the side < 1325186294 825838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can never actually get close enough < 1325186310 285197 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, like that < 1325186323 509431 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever you're scaling just one building you never want to jump manually, pretty much < 1325186325 773474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, want me to take a screenshot? < 1325186342 412642 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well I need to move sideways somehow < 1325186342 898895 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how < 1325186343 224072 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If he doesn't jump automatically by being in high profile and moving to the side, you can't get across that bit like that < 1325186349 13061 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1325186365 452013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, that works < 1325186402 124488 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, don't overthink it :-) < 1325186410 594475 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most climbing is fairly automatic < 1325186419 782661 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1325186443 66607 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-10.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1325186443 677527 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-10.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1325186443 840796 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1325186459 263053 :kallisti!~eris@h255.4.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325186459 586453 :kallisti!~eris@h255.4.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1325186459 743382 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1325186468 226948 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: See http://www.virtualshackles.com/64 < 1325186513 29489 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325186598 761424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this game is cutscene heavy < 1325186834 129097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what, since when did this turn into tower defense? < 1325186834 290796 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1325186836 409657 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :defence* < 1325186865 268048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, heh < 1325186873 333704 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I assume the girl is from Mirror's Edge? < 1325186886 506784 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1325186898 159101 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I take it is harder? < 1325186907 94374 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a different game < 1325186940 445046 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that comic /is/ a more-or-less accurate description of the respective difficulties when it comes to the act of climbing a surface < 1325187168 577602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1325187181 188061 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY did this game just turn into rather mediocre tower defense < 1325187183 890207 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :defenceÄ < 1325187185 991269 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :defence* < 1325187198 199993 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did they think... it doesn't belong in the game < 1325187219 952069 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325187221 406257 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which game. < 1325187237 114103 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assassin's Creed Revelations < 1325187246 389989 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325187278 307151 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Tower Defense are much worse than the Just Cause-like segment later < 1325187282 671207 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something needed defending and they had a few spare towers < 1325187301 851428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, "just cause"? < 1325187304 322404 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1325187337 827681 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, are there more sections like that? < 1325187361 951979 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a couple of Burnout-like segments, one of which you'll have already seen? < 1325187368 685398 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, burnout? < 1325187374 83064 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not familiar with that game < 1325187376 378282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: I was replying to a previous statement where oerjan said the ZipList monad should be obvious to anyone who has tried to figure it out. < 1325187390 291046 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Series of console sort-of-racers < 1325187400 828153 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is to destroy everyone else's car < 1325187401 515308 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, oh right. The cart thingy < 1325187403 844532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not entirely impossible i was wrong at that point, and hadn't realized a fix was needed yet < 1325187417 448011 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, well okay, that was less annoying than tower defence though < 1325187434 993162 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the tower defence is awful < 1325187636 534814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus I don't really enjoy the tower defence genre anyway < 1325188093 89485 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325188248 125700 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-10.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1325188248 487459 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-10.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1325188248 643857 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1325188719 684317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sends off the longest bug report EVAR
< 1325188759 551465 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, to whom? < 1325188784 811417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heinrich Apfelmus < 1325188950 749086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1325189062 306267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1325189087 806004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1325189092 737919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1325189098 941278 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. < 1325189114 841606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like the router is nearly toast :( < 1325189141 195612 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Do you have any butter? < 1325189156 498275 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or butter substitute < 1325189166 838414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: your ISP will likely offer a replacement if you got it from them < 1325189169 929392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's your fault :P < 1325189178 936518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, they were going to send one < 1325189188 601055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1325189190 538050 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325189198 608171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: failing that you can freeload off my wifi < 1325189202 730781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not mind. < 1325189206 648657 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does Excess Flood even mean? < 1325189211 19960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm going to have to continue expecting losing connection several times a day until it arrives < 1325189214 318795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means cheater's client is spamming the server somehow < 1325189226 313903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will likely continue to do so forever, since he's been quitting like that for literal months < 1325189272 337044 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325189346 310729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I suppose in a way it's 260 < 1325189360 99500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rationalisation
< 1325189495 955826 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most recent xkcd isn't very funny < 1325189510 651415 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You typo'd there. < 1325189513 460353 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd finally catches on. < 1325189522 172342 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The most recent [300 xkcds aren't] very funny" < 1325189530 186254 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325189532 526053 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actualy I think the number is somewhere closer to 440 < 1325189537 521299 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, typo < 1325189538 814444 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :44 < 1325189550 207890 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, most of the recent ones I can sorta tell how they're meant to be funny < 1325189556 549275 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325189563 296837 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, he seems to have a problem separating things that happen to him from comic material. < 1325189567 373321 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pooppy: I was estimating based on ... well, nothing. < 1325189571 510510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 300 xkcds ago was 696. < 1325189573 715442 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually http://xkcd.com/989/ was pretty good < 1325189576 665430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're quite a way off. < 1325189593 64083 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The xkcdecay was in the 400s, right? < 1325189593 446172 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, that's well into shit territory. I stopped counting quite a while ago *shrugs < 1325189601 249168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Roughly < 1325189612 87953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's more of a slow decline than anything else. < 1325189643 66378 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmhmm < 1325189668 882896 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 comics is time enough for a slow decline, surely? < 1325189676 954507 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it represents the better part of a year. < 1325189692 77643 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it comes to XCKD, it represents the /worse/ part of a year. < 1325189693 966010 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ba-dum tsh < 1325189702 55876 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I keep missing terminal stars... < 1325189720 429479 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose Ngevd just can't realise when things are terrible. < 1325189745 518134 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325189780 341394 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325190084 729426 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325190120 891738 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325190261 692612 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, kallisti: how do I reduce the "templar awareness" thingy? < 1325190288 561100 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bribing heralds < 1325190305 528742 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[something I can't remember], bribe heralds, kill messengers (or whatever they're called) < 1325190313 657718 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, can't seem to do that. Do I need to unlock it somehow? < 1325190324 530326 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you see a herald? < 1325190326 954904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can I only do that above some certain level < 1325190328 181472 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, in the earlier ones the first one was rip wanted posters < 1325190337 155493 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I never saw any in revelations < 1325190343 309496 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you have been able to do that for two games < 1325190355 736355 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, hm what button (on PC)= < 1325190358 975003 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/ < 1325190361 231147 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea < 1325190363 804668 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do it above 50% awareness only, I think < 1325190366 718778 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it removes 50% < 1325190368 776556 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this is the only game in the franchise I played < 1325190369 826858 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1325190374 869622 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure though < 1325190379 513376 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might've been 25% < 1325190384 37909 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, any problems with having about 25% awareness? < 1325190391 983631 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't matter at all until it goes to 100% < 1325190396 669782 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1325190406 477409 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At that point you get to play more tower defence < 1325190470 233631 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, okay I definitely want to avoid that < 1325190510 332721 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, are anything in the bookshops worth buying? < 1325190529 53534 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not IIRC < 1325190552 673099 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if you're going for 100% < 1325190562 590598 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I would buy armour and weapons first < 1325190627 740918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow I did the "renovate a shop" and the awareness just rose quite a bit. < 1325190642 414804 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1325190642 896428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm need to find a herald now, and they are not on the map < 1325190650 368407 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1325190671 839173 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they're not on the map you can't use them yet, IIRC < 1325190679 877300 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1325190683 915255 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure though < 1325190686 338563 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1325190687 347715 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They might only show up when you're close < 1325190694 814185 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :("yet" = not enough awareness) < 1325190760 512319 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1325190832 680653 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, I have to manage assassins. Come on, this game is awkwardly trying to mix genres < 1325190834 862344 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325190863 182762 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325191136 154481 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1325191179 946056 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1325191662 495822 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325191759 262950 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1325191925 414441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's some wiki spam < 1325191936 829752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks; I'm in the middle of something but will clean it up later < 1325192094 404895 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1325192104 344287 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325192126 944324 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325192346 504029 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1325192399 581805 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325192482 40662 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1325192772 557397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1325192783 589267 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Deewiant, kallisti, Ngevd: is there any in-game explanation for that "eagle sense". I mean I can see no obvious reason why the guy would have such a "magical" thing < 1325192791 423734 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that probably didn't go through < 1325192830 594336 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's because he's descended from Those Who Came Before < 1325192858 217557 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that makes more sense later on? < 1325192873 580101 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You really should play all the games in order :-P < 1325192882 535782 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never played the first... < 1325192885 805395 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least watch the endings to all the previous ones, I guess < 1325192989 431265 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, meh < 1325192990 347658 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I want the best graphics available < 1325193026 51405 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congrats, you're a superficial person < 1325193030 267957 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1325193050 667261 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use small, articulated models. < 1325193050 991389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, who? < 1325193057 200371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1325193064 156222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Deewiant, meh < 1325193064 312387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Deewiant, I want the best graphics available < 1325193064 312582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Congrats, you're a superficial person < 1325193069 3790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway I'm not sure I like the game enough to even play it to the end. < 1325193075 872727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: When I said "standard" I actually meant "standard and HI-DEF" < 1325193083 20759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal's revised definition of fun. < 1325193089 277950 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://notalwaysright.com/stop-and-stair/12288 < 1325193119 766039 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that doesn't even make sense < 1325193126 20698 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He knows what he likes, and he likes his glossy rocks. < 1325193442 444561 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that the Cave Story+ Wii trailer has at least one significant spoiler in it.
< 1325193531 735851 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1325193822 250156 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1325193824 355459 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1325194285 48177 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325194410 915104 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325194916 399461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1325195033 930205 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1325195069 413925 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325195272 714671 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1325195305 721848 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really need to get around to reinstalling Ubuntu < 1325195607 324812 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1325195610 715923 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-238.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1325195642 233805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At 22:00? < 1325195674 613281 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops! Did you mean 25:00? < 1325195702 764944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, thanks. < 1325197393 891703 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have nothing against hard games? < 1325197417 280797 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And hard computer games too? < 1325197519 362447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate hard computers. < 1325197542 578034 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only compute if they squish to the touch < 1325197583 897783 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1325197601 305883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good computer is a gas < 1325197640 413461 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made the file of the complete texts of Super ASCII MZX Town < 1325197659 430366 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me what you can learn or guess or confuse from such things: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/misc/ascmzxto_texts.txt < 1325197750 259085 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Despite "* UNREGISTERED ** Press F1 for help, Enter for menu", no registration is required. It is a memory artifact from the old DOS MegaZeux) < 1325197760 553961 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"*This* music: Microsoft < 1325197762 328507 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1325197768 62752 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :canyon.mid? :D < 1325197780 152957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Pls make fungot model ^ < 1325197780 312833 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott:. i'm so kind, even to assholes! anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov < 1325197819 933073 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.? < 1325197830 886619 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: No. It is the secret music in Windows 95 (you need to make a folder on the desktop and rename it to various things, and then when opened it plays music), converted from MIDI to MOD format. < 1325197856 154247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one can only guess what torturous horrors anmaster did to fungot. < 1325197856 315659 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: or is it just me, or i: yet, you rogue! and if you wish! we shall hold this position to the last man! big fire where lavos fall from sky! we < 1325197943 640225 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: maybe you should've asked the dudes in espernet #mod_shrine to make you a song :3 < 1325197973 903761 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yes I could have done. I didn't know about that one. < 1325197992 430986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: made it put a . after its colon without a space < 1325198028 329993 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an interpreter for Funciton in C# < 1325198028 486768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: gruesome! < 1325198037 812542 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if it can be ported to Haskell >.> < 1325198126 150067 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION walks away quickly
< 1325198194 947679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't "port" C# code to Haskell, you rewrite it. < 1325198219 304861 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen worse < 1325198223 823199 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++ to js < 1325198239 782034 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1325198254 531679 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if there are MML compilers that can output MOD or S3M or XM formats? < 1325198272 612336 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never heard of mml < 1325198273 600733 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: never seen that no < 1325198302 480244 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : seems like a weird idea since mod/s3m/xm is easier to write than MML in first place < 1325198311 301723 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :imho < 1325198321 518342 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe to you it is. < 1325198351 837062 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know about one MML compiler which seems to be very good with some good features, called SakuraMML, but it is only for MIDI and does not work on my computer. < 1325198407 153094 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen MOD to NES or SNES converters but not the other way around < 1325198446 925104 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :except maybe snex9x mod output but that was really rough < 1325198474 854792 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume you mean music macro language < 1325198482 28664 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no music markup language < 1325198492 81784 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I mean music macro language < 1325198504 484049 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yeah the one used by japanese chiptuners < 1325198549 413027 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1325198573 273194 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325198603 133764 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: you mean sakuraMML does mml->midi or midi->mml? < 1325198648 830908 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you should make one < 1325198665 575976 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: It does MML -> MIDI < 1325198681 965916 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: OK, maybe I will make it < 1325198748 144343 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1325198748 628271 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has the most features/capabilities? of IT,S3M,MOD,XM, and MML? < 1325198766 812893 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're kinda orthogonal < 1325198774 467653 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It depends on the MML variant being used. Different programs have somewhat different MML variants < 1325198798 6604 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mod etc are sample based < 1325198803 530170 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there isnt one that encompasses the abilities of the others? < 1325198817 98561 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOD was originally the format of an AMIGA music routine < 1325198828 856333 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was popular because it had a nice tool < 1325198843 331520 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :S3M is a mod extension < 1325198850 229076 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :XM is a mod+s3m extension < 1325198858 716543 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT is a mod+s3m+xm extension < 1325198898 368645 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s3m/xm/it came from PC programs so they have progressively more channels and features etc < 1325198914 291824 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some idea I have, is how I could use some compressions such as the compiler figuring out where to add loops, change speeds when notes have a lot of empty frames between them, and so on. < 1325199002 802963 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: s3m/xm/it already have a compression scheme that doesn't save blank space < 1325199022 501548 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: I know; I read the format specification. < 1325199040 901118 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so speed change isn't useful except for like MOD < 1325199054 39153 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, how do I take over a den? < 1325199069 99724 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do the loops but you're probably a lot better off just zipping the MOD < 1325199071 36520 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I'm at the den's location, and I see no prompt or such < 1325199085 496576 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an early mission that shows you how < 1325199100 37015 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Climb to the tower and light the fire < 1325199108 193739 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :After killing the leader < 1325199109 522956 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I press shift and nothing happens < 1325199112 750036 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the leader < 1325199113 234317 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1325199117 474540 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably missed that < 1325199121 226525 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, time to find him < 1325199122 581606 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: is there a variant of MML that outputs to some kind of sampler? < 1325199135 465083 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: I don't know. < 1325199150 465450 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If yes you could probably do mod/etc->MML < 1325199201 551986 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, any hint on finding the leader? < 1325199203 330195 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to input MML, output some format. < 1325199228 757078 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess you could do your own MML->IT converter < 1325199232 525921 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Eagle vision, highlighted in gold IIRC < 1325199270 861277 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, if you want to do it manually: clearly more "officer-looking" than the others, usually in a patrol with some others < 1325199282 573330 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1325199314 723366 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: with some system for compiling in sample data < 1325199320 331812 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it look like, empty rows are still included in S3M file, 0=end of row there seem no skip rows command. gopher://zzo38computer.cjb.net:70/0textfile/music/s3m-form.txt < 1325199342 520541 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yes. My idea is to have two ways: One way is reference external file, second way is to enter the mathematical formulas for them. < 1325199344 134508 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I might have killed the guy without identifying him. Did I just bug the game? < 1325199347 969126 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there's a "pattern delay" effect too < 1325199369 279263 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: going to be hard to make a snare out of mathematical formulas! < 1325199371 419170 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, that's fine. < 1325199423 66328 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah but yeah you could use a formula < 1325199424 358881 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1325199453 411012 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it says the den is in hiding :/ < 1325199459 746295 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I should wait until tomorrow < 1325199460 68845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1325199476 379550 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, hmm, I wonder if that's what happens if the leader is a coward-type and you let him get away < 1325199485 569683 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never let that happen myself so beats me < 1325199487 184524 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that could have happened < 1325199506 800679 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least I got the view point < 1325199511 720205 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: guess it could work < 1325199593 727683 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I bet most formulas would just get you FM synthesis stuff :D < 1325199764 857056 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, the tunnel system is annoying, in how you select the destination from a list rather than allowing you to click directly on the map icon for that on the map that is shown right next to the list! < 1325199808 442699 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1325199852 794246 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1325199853 116361 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1325199853 272609 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1325200280 816948 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game just froze, dammit < 1325200301 468592 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I died as a result < 1325200339 615625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1325200369 920529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just restart at last checkpoint < 1325200463 984898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1325200467 980566 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You roll the dice. You rolled zero. < 1325200492 394336 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You found a talking tree. Tree: O! Suddenly I learned speeching English!! < 1325200500 15620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1325200553 26408 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are some of the texts in this game. There is no checkpoint; you can make save game file at any time and have multiple save files (highly recommended) < 1325200574 937487 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know about Washizu Mahjong game? < 1325200640 421908 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325200751 461177 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or about computer game? < 1325200763 89449 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have Akagi DS game, it include Washizu Mahjong as well. < 1325200831 343457 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make your own game based on these texts and see if they are difference? < 1325200844 622984 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I still maintain the point that designing a monolithic kernel in 1991 is a < 1325200844 784415 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fundamental error. Be thankful you are not my student. You would not get a < 1325200844 940910 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :high grade for such a design :-) < 1325200844 941100 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Andrew Tanenbaum to Linus Torvalds)" < 1325200851 824450 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortune has made me hate Tanenbaum now. < 1325200979 510490 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know? MEDIUM_SIZE_MONSTER is bad and evil but BIG_MONSTER is good so BIG_MONSTER can help you to beat MEDIUM_SIZE_MONSTER too, in this game. < 1325200997 610308 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you find the beam-me-up-scottifier? < 1325201020 775732 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember! All Nice Ring Don't Free. < 1325201063 504770 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you require a life-size model of the Earth because a normal globe is not big enough? < 1325201192 730426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1325201197 708953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I need it to be larger-than-life. < 1325202300 791410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Haskell-cafe] On the purity of Haskell < 1325202300 952805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By Chris Smith - 3:30pm - 15 authors - 55 replies < 1325202304 418399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nooooooo < 1325202310 108114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Warning - it may look like trolling at various points. Please keep going < 1325202310 264078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the end before making a judgement." < 1325202312 323692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1325202700 527961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, people are promoting the State World model of IO in this thread. < 1325202828 388166 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :State World model? < 1325202887 464911 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that game locks up a lot... < 1325202901 236238 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never for me IIRC < 1325202928 433457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :People like to claim that IO a is defined like RealWorld -> (a, RealWorld), because GHC's definition resembles this (actually it's State RealWorld# -> (# a, State RealWorld #)), but this isn't true at all; the "State" parameters are actually tricks to stop the compiler reordering operations in GHC, and are eliminated at compile-time; as a formal model, it can't handle tons of IO things, such as concurrency. < 1325202948 718826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's a ridiculous model anyway since a Haskell program blatantly can't just send back a new real world to replace the current one with. < 1325202960 9358 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then try to play my games instead, in case it don't locks up a lot? < 1325202974 852963 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not interested in those genres < 1325203029 208968 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Actually I think it is (State# RealWorld) not (State RealWorld#) and as far as I know they are abnormal types in many ways < 1325203038 910969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Err, right, yeah < 1325203059 994120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just exist so that the compiler thinks each action depends on the previous being evaluated so it doesn't reoder things, I believe < 1325203070 892680 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think so < 1325203071 444555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The (->) being used is actually the arrow of /impure/ functions there < 1325203153 769539 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What method of scoring do you prefer at five pin bowling? < 1325203180 223743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, er, don't.